#180 - Mark Winters - Musician/Songwriter

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Welcome YouTube and Twitchers.
Welcome.

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Zip fizz.
Zip fizz.

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Whoa, Hey, everybody.
That's the groove.

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That is the groove, man.
This Is Us.

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This is Mike and I's band.
That's awesome man, I'm waiting

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for the big high pitched rock
screen baby, come on, lay it

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out.
That was awesome, guys.

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Man, I'm sorry I didn't see you
live, man.

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Dang it.
It's I know, I know it's, it's,

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it's one, it's one for the ages,
right?

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Hey, welcome to the Chris and
Mike show.

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He's Mike.
I'm Chris.

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This is Mark Winters.
He's a bad ass.

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So for those of you that are out
there in the 32 countries now,

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3434 countries, now 34, now 34.
We just picked up the

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Netherlands and Costa Rica.
Yes, Bienvenidos, I don't know

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how to say hey, yeah.
So maybe Mark, maybe Mark can

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talk backwards in Netherland
language and that would.

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For us, that would be awesome.
Yeah, yeah.

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I'm not sure how to do straw cab
and another I'm not sure how to

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do Netherland language.
What?

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What's the native tongue there?
I have no idea.

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I have no idea.
Dutch.

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OK, Dutch.
There you go, Dutch.

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OK, yeah, Dutch is, is one of
you guys.

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One yeah, that's OK.
One of your one of our reels

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from your first episode went
nuts and it was the one that you

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talked about the straw cabbing,
but then also the the was it the

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straw cab and the other thing?
Yeah, it was straw cabin.

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And yeah, the the and the other
one though, the yeah, the Glock,

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the power, but what is it?
The polyglot?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Those two are really good deals,

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man.
Yeah, yeah.

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That was fun.
My my brother is a really

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interesting guy for sure.
I think I need to get him to

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sing, sing my back my songs
backwards.

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That would be amazing if I could
get him to.

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Do that dude.
That would take backward masking

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to a whole new level.
Yes.

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Remember, Remember that in the
70s, back masking like oh, play

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Led Zeppelin backwards, just so
evil and satanic and shoot.

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Straw cab kissing, that would
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That's what it would be in
English anyway, right it?

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Went all the way to the Supreme
Court, right That's.

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That's crazy.
So Mark Winters is on tour, or

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he's getting ready to go on tour
because you're going to be in

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Arizona next month.
Yes, Sir, I've got a a big show

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kicking off the tour here in
town in in Houston, March 7th at

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the Armadillo Palace and then a
couple of weeks worth of load in

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and and ready, getting the
trailer and myself all ready.

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And then we're we're on the road
at the end of March and, and,

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and ready to bring some.
Positive vibes out there.

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Buddy.
On the West Coast, the north,

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the east, everywhere.
Man coming at y'all.

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That's awesome.
That's awesome.

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Have you ever have you ever been
to Bisbee?

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I've not been to Bisbee before,
is it a rock and place to visit

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Chris?
It is a small town.

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I was going to say that's one
way of putting it.

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It's a small town.
It's a really small town.

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It's kind of a hippie kind of
commune vibe thing.

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I've, I don't know if I've ever
been there, but I've know people

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I I and if we can make it to the
show, it'll be my first trip to

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Bisbee.
I have to look at the date again

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because I got to make sure it's
a weekend because otherwise, you

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know, with the wife being a
teacher stuff, it'll be next to

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impossible.
But it's a small town.

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It's very, it's very, I don't
know, I want to say eclectic,

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maybe eclectic story.
That's a good word.

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Actually, that's a good word.
Yeah.

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It's, it's, I think you're going
to fit in there really well,

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Mark.
Yeah, it's going.

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To be amazing.
Yeah.

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Yeah, if there's a teeny bit of
a nerdy vibe and people are down

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for some some extra protons in
their life, you know, a little

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extra positive energy, I'm, I'm
there, man.

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I'm I sound like my kind of
place.

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Yeah, you will fit in well there
for sure, man.

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They would be what I would like
to call open, open minded people

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for sure.
Yes, there you go, open minded.

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People, That's sweet.
I met a ton of those on my last

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tour and I really man, I love
people from diverse backgrounds.

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I love people who are just sort
of big melting pot.

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It's like it's a, it's a
phenomenal way to immerse

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yourself out in.
The world we.

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Live in, you know.
Yeah, absolutely, man, questions

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Mike For Mark.
You're sitting there all

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stoically.
God.

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He's freezing cold.
I need my furnace.

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Where is my furnace?
You guys look so warm.

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Yeah, Yeah.
I was outside yesterday doing

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yard work because I live on an
acre, Mark.

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So it was, I think 8486 at one
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I came inside and I was just
sweating profusely, like I was

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in the shower.
I'm like, yeah, here we go,

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Summer's coming.
I actually like the, I like the

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warm weather, man.
I'm, I'm all down for like a,

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you know, a good 70 or an 80°
day, maybe even 90.

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It doesn't, it doesn't drag me
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You know, my, my wife, she she'd
rather be hanging up there with

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Mike in the cold weather.
See.

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So would mine.
Yeah, so would mine.

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She's tired of the she's tired
of the heat, man, especially in

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the summers.
And everybody thinks our, our

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winter's going to our summer's
going to be stupid hot because

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we really, we had like maybe a
week of winter.

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Like, I think I wore a jacket
twice and one of those when I

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was up in Muns Park last weekend
for our 30th anniversary because

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it snowed.
And I'm like, what the hell is

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this shit, man?
You actually got to see quite a

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bit of snow based on.
Yeah, yeah, My truck, when we

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woke up, my truck one day had
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on top of it.
I'm like, all right.

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That's crazy when?
Is the last time you saw snow

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before that?
Well, in 2019 it snowed and

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Carefree and I had a listing
Carefree is just outside of the

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Phoenix metro area, Mark and it
and, and like it legit snowed.

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Like it was like, yeah, that
happened several times when I

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was there too.
So that was the that was

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previous to that.
That was the only other time

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because I don't, I don't, I
don't think there was snow when

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we no, I'm sorry.
We don't have an Alaskan cruise

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in the valley, you know that
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But we went to Alaska two years
ago and it was, it was, we saw

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snow there, obviously glaciers
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Alaska is is phenomenal.
My my wife and I were just up

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there.
I know visiting, yeah.

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Looking for a podcast?
Looking for a little looking for

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a little cabin, You know, we're
not moving there, but we're

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going to buy a little like some
property in the cabin up there

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in the Fairbanks area and.
Did you?

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We saw one, we found a property
we like, so we'll see if the if

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the stars align for that, but.
Yeah, 'cause that's, that's the

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day you were on the show, you
were there.

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Yeah, it's pretty, pretty
phenomenal.

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So we're hoping to close in on
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Everything happens pretty fast
these days.

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So you know, Internet land
purchases are are pretty fast.

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So I'm happy with that.
Yeah, exactly.

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So you're just buying land, not
on a cabin?

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Or you're buying both?
Yeah, land and we'll probably

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we'll put a cabin on it.
Oh, there.

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You go.
It's just, you know, there's a

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lot of, there's a lot of DIY
houses in Alaska, Sure.

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And when you kind of get inside
them, you're like, you know,

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there might be an electrical
hazard here.

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You're not sure that you want to
live in it.

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There's a lot.
Of, you know, if you're in town,

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you know, there's a lot of
professionally built things, but

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when you get out in the in the
country, it's a lot of people

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just like, hey, Chris and Mike
come over.

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We're going to build a house
today, right?

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We build a house in an afternoon
and you know, sort of like not

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quite square and, you know, but
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Alaskan way.
We had that we had, we had snow

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in Houston probably four or five
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It actually stuck like.
You know, I think the first time

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in maybe 20 years, it was
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We actually got to get the dogs
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build a snowman.
It was like the whole.

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City shut down for a week.
We didn't know how to deal with

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it.
It was a phenomenal.

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That's what I was going to ask.
Did everybody just freak out?

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Yeah, it was, it was pretty
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You know, we don't have, we
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snow plows or we got nothing.
So when it when it, when it, if

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it snows and sticks, it's like
all right people, y'all just

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hunker down for a while until
all this stuff melts naturally.

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There you go.
So.

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So if I heard, yeah, go ahead,
Mike, with this tour that you

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got coming up, Mark, are you
supporting an album that you

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just recorded or I kind of
forgot what we talked about last

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time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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For sure, yeah, I've been
putting out singles from a new

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album.
I have noticed that.

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Yep, the science in me is the
name of the surprise with my

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Albert Einstein shirt on, you
know?

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But yeah, it's some songs that.
Are.

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You know, I guess.
Some of them are a little more

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playful, like Fake Gravity.
It's kind of got this cool

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groove.
It's a little more pop centric.

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And then I just released a
release Velocity before that and

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a song called The Speed of
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And I have a few more.
I just wrote the most.

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The most recent release has been
a song that I wrote about my

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brother Paul So.
The the polyglot.

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Kind of a sadder moment in my
life, no?

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I had another younger brother
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suicide which I'm still sorry.
Super heavy and I need.

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I was talking to some friends
who had similar situations going

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on and their families and they
encouraged me to, to write about

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it because it would help me and
it would help other people who

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were who were listening to it.
I haven't put a heavy piece out

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like that before.
So it was very emotional for me

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to write it.
The song is is called Let It

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Rain.
And it's I think a lot of the

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feelings in the song for me are
about, you know, guilt like, you

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know, how could I have been
there more for my brother and

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his time of need?
I I thought I did everything

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that I possibly could to be
there for him to.

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But those are human emotions.
We would all have those feelings

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for sure.
Yeah, just tough to write about

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and tough to sing about.
But let me tell you, I've gotten

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just an enormous amount of
outreach from everyone consoling

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me about my brother's loss.
It was a number of years ago,

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but it's still very fresh for me
and and people sharing their own

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experiences of loss and love.
You know, for me, the, you know,

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the chorus and the vibe of this
song, you know, sort of reset.

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I don't know, I don't know if
you guys feel this or not, but

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water is a big reset button for
me.

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Like if I go, I go stand in the
shower, I go stand out in the

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rain.
I I go swimming.

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Just it's it, it, it just
clears.

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I don't know what it is.
It's just like mystical.

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I don't know but it.
Resets in my mind for sure I

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agree with you yeah.
So, you know, the chorus is

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like, you know, let it rain, you
know, wash away my pride, help

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me heal inside, you know, let it
rain and make me clean again.

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And I, I really feel that it's.
I've played it live once.

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I had a show yesterday and let
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to get through that.
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Yeah, the the video is playing
in our background right now.

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I've been watching the words as
you're talking, Mark.

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I love the lyrics.
Yeah, yeah.

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Well.
Thank you.

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MMM and Mike and I have
experience with this too.

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We lost our, our drummer for
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He he, he took his own life,
which is one of the reasons why

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we wrap up every show as you
know about, you know, if you're

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feeling suicidal depression, you
need to find somebody to talk to

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you and you know, text 988
because somebody is there to

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help you through whatever you're
struggling.

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That's the biggest problem with
suicide is these people don't

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talk about like that 25 year old
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just killed himself in his
garage like last month it's

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like.
I mean, what's up with that,

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really?
Like, and, and Nick and I talked

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about it, it could have been to
where he finally reached that,

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that epic point, right?
Because Mike and I've had this

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discussion and we've, we've
talked about it's, it's a .0017%

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chance that every single college
athletes going to make the NFL.

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It's that it's that difficult,
right?

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So to get to that level, Nick
and his conversation was, well,

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maybe when he got to the level,
it wasn't what he what it wasn't

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everything he thought he was
going to, it was going to be.

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There was something to surface
later that when he played for

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the Cardinals that I think it
was JJ Watt.

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I forget which one, but I think
JJ Watt was talking to him on

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NFL's Hard Knocks because he
dropped a pass.

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And the dude was obviously just
distraught that he dropped a

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pass.
He's like, man, it's practice,

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man.
Did you?

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Well, like it's it's practice.
Like This is why we're here.

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Just don't do it when it counts.
And the dude was just, that's

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the pressure that he was putting
on himself.

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Yeah, right.
So is that the level of pressure

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he carried with him every single
day, which forced him at 25 to

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be like, I'm just done with this
to me, I can't anymore, right.

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To me, I just we've all, I think
we've all had those thoughts at

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some point in time or life,
maybe about all of us.

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I've had it a couple times for
sure, you know, and and I didn't

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do anything about it.
I didn't, I didn't, you know,

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even go down the path of
attempting it.

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It was just, you know, just one
of those things.

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But yeah, it's it's sucks.
And it it the whole that it

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leaves in your heart and you a
sibling like Mike and I wasn't a

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sibling.
It was, it was a brother in

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music.
And when I find out about I, I

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didn't find out about till well
after the fact that I'm like,

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that just kind of hit me for a
few days because I was like,

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what the fuck, you know?
Yeah, I don't know.

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I and I, I, you know, just
personally, I have such a

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positive view of the world and
I'm always seeing possibility

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and, and, and, you know, white
space in front of people.

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I just, I, it was so foreign to
me, right?

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I, I never knew that he was
thinking about taking his own

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life.
And I and I and I tried to do

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all the things that I, I could.
I, I even read books and talked

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to people and coached my family
and, and his all of that.

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And he still took his own life.
And it, you know, he left me a

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voicemail like take care of mom
right back.

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It's like, Oh my God.
OK, really wow.

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And it's, it's a, it's a four.
It gives me the chills right

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now.
Still.

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I'm just talking about.
It well, that's heavy, man.

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But like, I still don't
understand.

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I don't, I'm I'm trying to think
of a, a situation that would put

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me in that frame of mind.
I've never it's just a foreign

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concept to me and and I wish I
understood it better so I could

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relate and support people who
are going through that.

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I just.
I'm not sure you do because I

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think Chris would agree with
this.

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The fact that him and I do
understand it for just like, and

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I mean microscopic moments in
time, I'll allow myself to

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remember that moment, but you
don't want to understand it

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because somebody that's that
close to it, and I've always

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heard this and we've experienced
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If somebody's going to commit
suicide, they're just going to

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do it.
The people who are talking about

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it or crying out for help,
right?

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You've heard those people.
I'm just going to kill myself.

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Very few of those people do it.
It takes getting to a point in

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your mind where you feel like
there is no other option and the

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weight of the world is on top of
you.

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And I can't go on at, you know,
I was in the throes of my

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addiction.
I had no money, no job, no place

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to live.
I was living in my car, you

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know, where do you go from
there?

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That that was that moment in
time for me.

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Yeah, You know, I, I think, you
know, the fact that you've

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experienced it, Mike, maybe that
makes you better able to help

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someone who's living in that
moment.

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You know, I know.
I, I, I recently did a, my, my

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first ever prison show.
It was.

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A it was like, OK, I had a, a
minister in the area reach out

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to me and hey, we got, we got
this holiday thing going on.

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We'd love you to come out and be
a part of it and.

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I tell you, yeah.
First of all, it was it was a

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phenomenal experience for me.
Oh, I bet anything with Mark

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Winters is a phenomenal
experience.

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You come on, they say.
You'd have to find an insurance

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seminar where everybody's
asleep.

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Man, yeah, I'm like, OK, let's
do actuarial, let's come on,

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guys.
Mad time.

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No, this prison thing, Let me
tell you what, let me.

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Yeah, sorry.
First of all, I had so many

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amazing moments in this.
It was a holiday show, so we did

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Christmas carols and.
Or Christmas.

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It was had a.
It was a Faith Ministry prison

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show at one of the bigger
prisons here in Houston.

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And they had it.
You know, it's so many amazing

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things going on.
But the thing that really struck

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me was the fact that the three
ministers who preached, right,

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so wait, think about this.
Out of this giant population,

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they have about 300 guys in this
giant Chapel, all inmates.

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And they got these three priests
who come up and these priests,

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they had lived the life man.
They had, like Mike, they had,

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they had, you know, addiction.
They've been arrested for every

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possible thing they had.
They just they had done it all

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wrong.
And like some of them multiple

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times.
And then they found their way

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out and each person found their
way out at a different way.

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And what a great story for
everyone to say.

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OK, you know what you can?
You can be sort of down in the

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pit.
And you can find your way out.

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And, you know, to me that was it
was amazing.

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We had another amazing moment in
the in the service.

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It's like, so we're playing, we
played a few songs.

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Hark the Herald Angels.
Sing and then we played another

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song.
I can't remember then, but one,

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the one that stuck out to me was
we started playing Feliz

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Navidad, right.
So I'm up there with the church,

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with the with the the prison
ban.

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So we got a we got 2 keyboard
players, we got a bass player,

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we got a drummer and we got four
guys singing in the choir with

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me, right?
So, and we got like a one hour

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to rehearse.
And so we're sort of doing this

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like fluid baby.
It was like, all right, so we

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were doing the.
Thing and then we start singing

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Feliz Navidad and everybody was
singing along everybody, all

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these.
Voices.

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How can?
How can I mean?

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So much.
Fun.

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I mean, you know, chorus, first
chorus.

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And then when we get to the
second one, the the lead

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minister looks up at me, right?
He's like, you know, like amp it

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up.
So we drop all the instruments

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acapella.
We're singing Feliz Navidad,

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acapella, 300 men in this
amazing Chapel singing Feliz

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Navidad.
We get through a verse, we get

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through a chorus.
Phenomenal.

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Everybody's just right in there.
And then the minister invites

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these three guys up.
They start break dancing.

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No shit.
To Feliz Navidad being sung

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acapella.
It's like what?

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OK.
The power of community.

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You're like, on this wave
together, you're writing all

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this shared energy together.
You're like, Oh my goodness,

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what does it I want to live in?
Yeah.

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Music.
Yeah.

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Well said.
Music man power else you get

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that.
Yeah.

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Anyway, Yeah, it's.
That just proves it though.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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Just just music.
Just absolutely.

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That's amazing dude.
Yeah, it's I, it, I, it just, I

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just get so full of amazing
energy just thinking back at

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that event.
It's it's, it's phenomenal.

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Yeah, and while you're talking,
I'm scrolling your tour dates

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just so OK people that are with
us, they can see what's going

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on.
When are you going to release

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your full album, Mark?
In October.

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So the the last song is the most
nerdy of all the songs in The

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Science of Me.
It's called triangulation.

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OK, OK, that's awesome.
So you got to get in a vibe,

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right?
So triangulation.

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Might be how you find like an
object like if a if a cell

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tower's trying to figure out
where your location is and they

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use triangulation to ping you
from three different.

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Spots and that gives them the
ability to pinpoint your

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location.
So here I am thinking about this

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school dance that I had back in,
in, in high school.

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And I'm like, there's this girl
that I really want to ask out to

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dance at the dance to go to
dance with me.

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And I see her across the room,
right?

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And I start thinking like, all
right.

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You know, I've got to I've got
to keep an eye on her position.

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So I have to ping her, right?
I got to triangulate where she

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is.
I got to wade through the crowd.

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I can't look too obvious, right?
I've got my hands in my pockets.

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I got to get the courage.
I have to come up and talk to

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her.
And so I'm in this, you know,

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triangulation mode, taking me
closer to her, right, Making me,

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making me feel her.
And it's like this super nerdy,

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the triangulation moment in my
little science brain that sort

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of makes me live life in a
certain way.

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But I did have to clip out some
of the the physics terms to make

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it more relatable.
So it's we'll see how it does.

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But it's a it was a fun song to
make, and it was, it reminds me

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of that moment, you know?
That's awesome.

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I just noticed on your tour that
you're going to be in Tempe on

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May 20th so that I will be there
because even if Nikki has to

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work, Tempe is not too far from
me.

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I'm going to check to see what
day of the week that is.

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And you're playing at the Yucca
Tap Room?

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Spent many a nights in my youth
in the Yucca Tap Room.

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Spent many a nights in my youth
in Yucca Tap Room.

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So did Mike.
Some good, some not bad.

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It's a Wednesday, which is fine
because now what time do you go

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on because it's a Wednesday.
Oh, she may be, she may, you

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know, I think she's done with, I
think she's done with school by

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then.
That would be cool.

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Yeah, that'd be awesome.
We, we have a a line up there.

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There are three of us on the
ticket there.

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OK.
So I'm guessing I'll be on

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around 8:00.
OK.

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Cool.
We're going to and we're going

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to do a collab as well.
I love I have 3 or 4 songs that

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I'll send out that are community
oriented collabs and I think

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we're going to sing.
We're going to sing Lean on Me

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together, man.
So.

445
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,280
Right on, dude.
You got, you got to, you got to

446
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:42,200
come.
You got to come.

447
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,040
I'll come up.
There for that, I'm going to

448
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,320
tell you you're you're going to
have to you're going to have to

449
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,800
vibe for this man, that'd be
good.

450
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,520
Come sing that with you, OK?
I'm cool with that, dude.

451
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:51,880
I can sing, you know?
I'm a singer.

452
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,560
I, I, I knew that.
I heard you, brother.

453
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,280
You got some fights, dude.
So we're ready to roll, man.

454
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,400
That'll be, that'll be.
And I will tell you what though,

455
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,160
if we do that, that'll be the
first time I've sung in public

456
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:10,360
probably since 2009, because we
with the 2008 Road to Sturgis

457
00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:13,280
tours, my last band that kind of
fizzled away.

458
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,360
I think 2009, I just finally was
done with all the egos and shit

459
00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:18,280
that was being garnered by the
guitar player.

460
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,920
And I'm like, I'm just out, man.
So you know, just saying.

461
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,160
No.
Karaoke.

462
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,240
No, nothing.
Chris come.

463
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,720
Here, I don't, I don't do I
won't, I won't do karaoke

464
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,560
because I don't, I can't hear
myself.

465
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,680
And I'm and I'm, I'm, I'm that
much of, I don't want to say a

466
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,760
perfectionist, but I'm that much
of if I'm going to do it, I have

467
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,760
to do it the best I can.
And I'm not going to go up there

468
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,760
and be a cheesy karaoke singer.
It's just not.

469
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,200
And I can't actually, I take
that.

470
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,800
I take it back when we went to
Alaska, we were on the cruise

471
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,160
and I entered this game show in
the big grand ballroom in the

472
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,040
center of the boat and it was I
killed the game show.

473
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,320
It was pretty cool.
It was kind of stupid because I

474
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,160
was like when I grew up in, I
grew up 6, I watched TV so much.

475
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,400
It was commercial jingles and I
just knew every single one of

476
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,640
them was the stupidest thing.
I just kept hitting the buzzer.

477
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:13,120
So then the final thing was we
had to do the, the there was 3-2

478
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:16,640
other people myself.
It was a trivia type thing where

479
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,320
we had to sing a song, but I had
to sing the song when the music

480
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,720
was cutting in and out.
So there's like 20 songs to

481
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,240
choose from.
So I chose Bryan Adams Summer

482
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,560
69.
So if you can imagine, if you

483
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,360
can imagine like say A2000 seat
venue with, with a double

484
00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:36,120
balcony, right?
So I'm on the stage down here

485
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,320
and I start singing the song and
then the music cuts out, which

486
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,240
is fine because I know the song.
I have the entire crowd going.

487
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:46,560
They're singing the chorus with
me.

488
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,960
Mike can attest to this kind of
shit I used to do with the band.

489
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,120
So I, I mean, I rocked the
house, right?

490
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:55,360
I mean, the entire, both
balconies, everything was

491
00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:57,760
singing along with by the time
we got 3/4 to the song, right.

492
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,280
So song is over.
It's it's standing room only

493
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,880
type applause type shit.
You know, it's, it was a blast.

494
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,320
Nikki was just sitting back here
watching in awe.

495
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,200
She's like, yeah, that's his
element.

496
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:13,000
You know, this is what he does.
So everybody's, you know, then

497
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,320
the other two perform and then
this, this other couple winds up

498
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,600
winning because they did some
weird dirty dance and shit.

499
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,440
Everybody booed when they, when
they chose them as the winners,

500
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,720
they they booed them.
And it was and it the, so the

501
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,440
three judges were, were ship
people.

502
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,600
And I think they were pissed off
that here's a guy that's not

503
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,680
affiliated with the ship that's
getting the crowd roaring and

504
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:39,800
into a song more so than what
their entertainers do and just

505
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,080
kind of put them all to shame.
So as the rest of the crews,

506
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,240
when people would see me,
because I'm pretty recognizable,

507
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,560
you know, there's not a lot of
bald men walking around on a

508
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:48,680
cruise.
Ship so.

509
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,040
I told you, Ross, you should
have won.

510
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,840
You should have won, isn't it?
That was just fun.

511
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,320
What a great story, yeah.
Yeah, so that's the last time I

512
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:02,080
sang in public live, and that
was just purely on AI.

513
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,200
Don't know, just you got to do
this to win the contest.

514
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,120
I'm like OK, so.
I'm in.

515
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:07,080
You'll be you'll.
Be this.

516
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,280
Yeah, yeah.
I'm, I'm not, I'm looking for

517
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,520
sorry I've interrupted you.
I'm looking forward to to having

518
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:11,880
you.
You're good.

519
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:12,800
You're great.
You're good.

520
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,000
Yeah.
It'll be fun.

521
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,360
And I'll make sure I know.
Lean on me.

522
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:16,600
I make sure.
I'll make sure that I'm.

523
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,040
I'm refreshed.
I know it.

524
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,000
But I'll make sure I know it.
Know it.

525
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,280
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
And we, yeah.

526
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,600
That'll be fun.
Yeah, we, we did a, a karaoke.

527
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,960
This is funny.
Like we were on a cruise ship

528
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,400
and we did a karaoke as well.
And one of the things I'm always

529
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:36,360
amazed at, like when you do like
random karaoke, I, you know,

530
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:41,640
sometimes you just can't find a
song that, you know, but this we

531
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,200
started playing.
What was the song?

532
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:50,600
John Denver song Lucky Mountain
High.

533
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:52,640
Country no.
Country roads.

534
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,920
Country roads.
So you think OK country?

535
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,680
Roads, that's easy but yeah, we
got to know that one brother

536
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,120
that right so we started.
Yeah, Oh my goodness, it was in

537
00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:03,640
this.
Funky key.

538
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:07,400
They had this garbled up.
I don't know what it was like

539
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,400
pitch down 5 steps.
It was the weird, the weirdest

540
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,280
intro.
You're like, what key am I

541
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:14,160
singing in?
Right?

542
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,160
So you're like trying to, you
know, catch the, and the song

543
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,440
doesn't have much of an intro,
so catching the key in your head

544
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,640
to still translate it was like,
OK, right.

545
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,320
So that was and then so that was
really hilarious, just trying to

546
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,040
get him the vibe of that.
And then this guy came up and he

547
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,600
sang Tennessee Whiskey.
OK.

548
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,400
Oh my God, Yeah.
He sang it better than Chris

549
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,720
Stapleton.
He crushed it.

550
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:43,480
He crushed it, and everybody was
just watching their mouth

551
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,080
hanging open.
This dude, that's awesome.

552
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,840
I don't know.
He was phenomenal.

553
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,400
And he sang one of the song
later that night.

554
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,360
I don't know what his background
was, but probably like you

555
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,960
Chris, like he was like rocking
it because he that's what he did

556
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,720
for a living or something.
So right, right.

557
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:57,320
That's.
Cool.

558
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:58,960
So Mike, I got a question for
you man.

559
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,880
What What song would you get up
and sing a karaoke to?

560
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,880
He doesn't sing.
But now there's got to be 1.

561
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,280
There's got to be 1.
Well, I guess the only song I

562
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,480
ever sang on stage was Cat
Scratch Fever.

563
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,600
Yes, this is true.
OK.

564
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,360
Right.
I have done karaoke to Garth

565
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,760
Brooks and Bon Jovi.
If I had help, you know, like I

566
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,320
got up there a couple last time
I was in Catalina Island before

567
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,600
I left Arizona.
I went over there for a wedding

568
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,280
and we got up and did that.
That's awesome.

569
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,320
I can sing, I just Can't Sing in
front of people.

570
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,520
That's.
That's awesome.

571
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,040
You can't learn to play an
instrument and not not know how

572
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,560
to hit notes with your.
Voice, it's almost not possible.

573
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,320
It's like a like I call it like
a producer's ear, right?

574
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,680
Mike is like, you know, my
producer and he's not a trained

575
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,120
vocalist, but he know, he knows
every pitch, right?

576
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,320
He's like, yeah, you know,
he'll, he'll say, here's the

577
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,840
note, it's up there, it's over
there, whatever, as we're sort

578
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,920
of working through a a melody
and it's like, OK, he's got an

579
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,200
amazing ear, but you know, he
doesn't sing.

580
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,560
But he knows, you know, kind of
like most great guitarists who

581
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,840
you can, you can sing the melody
that you're playing, right?

582
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,440
You sing along with it in your
head or, you know, with your

583
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,040
falsetto voice or whatever
you're doing.

584
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,080
Yeah, when you do that, and I
would when, yeah, when him and I

585
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,080
would write songs and he'll
describe it.

586
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,080
We might describe it
differently, but I might play

587
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,480
something that catches his ear
and he'll sing that melody that

588
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,240
he heard me play.
But we would do it in reverse,

589
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,640
too, where he would have the
melody in his head and he would

590
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,600
sing it to me and I would write
the guitar part to his melody.

591
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,320
We did it both ways.
Yeah.

592
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,440
How do you write?
Because you said you're in

593
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,560
Houston right now writing song.
It's writing song day.

594
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,560
So what's your approach?
What's your approach?

595
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:53,000
Yeah, You know, I, So if I'm
writing by myself, you know how

596
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,280
I write poems every day?
We talked about that.

597
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,160
So, yeah.
So I'll, I'll think about, you

598
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,400
know, what's.
So first of all, I'll just, I

599
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:06,240
have this, this 100 breath
ritual that I go through.

600
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,560
So I'll, I'll, I'll stop what
I'm doing.

601
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,840
And I'll sit in a comfortable
position and I'll just take 100

602
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,560
breaths and just let it all out.
Whatever you know, however many

603
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:23,680
tabs I'm I'm closing tabs man
XXXXX until it's all clean.

604
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,640
Right.
And it takes me about 100

605
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,080
breaths to do that.
I wish I could do it faster.

606
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,160
And then I'm like, OK.
I come out of that, I'm like,

607
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,200
all right, what am I feeling?
And have I written something

608
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,480
recently about that feeling?
And if I, I'm, I'm feeling that,

609
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,120
then I'll go to that poem or
that set of notes and I'll pick

610
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,880
that up as sort of a vibe, you
know, if not, then you know,

611
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,480
I'll think about what, you know,
what, what do I have?

612
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,440
You know, what am I looking
forward to?

613
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,440
And so that'll stimulate
something.

614
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,000
And so it always starts with a
feeling.

615
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:04,240
And then for me, I start doing,
I learned this three years ago

616
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,560
in Andrea Stolpi's songwriting
retreat.

617
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,880
I learned this free thinking
exercise.

618
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,840
It was just an unlock for me.
And so I, I hit my voice memo

619
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,080
and I just start talking about
whatever it is I'm feeling.

620
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,200
And I just let it go, Go, go,
go, go, go until I, until I the

621
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,720
spit gets empty, right?
And then I'll close it and then

622
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,920
I'll translate it to text.
And then I'll start reading it

623
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,640
back to myself and catching the
vibes from within it, right.

624
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:42,200
And then once I've gotten one or
two little bits from that, then

625
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,000
I'll start humming a little bit
of a melody.

626
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,560
And then I'll think about, you
know, any of the feelings that

627
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,080
might go with that melody that
I've kind of isolated.

628
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,880
And then I'll grab my guitar and
start thinking about it.

629
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,640
I'm going to call it like a
groove or a rhythm, actually

630
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,960
start with a, a rhythm first.
Just something that gives me a

631
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,880
little bit of a time signature
thought.

632
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,400
And then I'll, you know, sort of
pull underneath that, you know,

633
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,080
then everything just starts.
It's like pulling the bat, the

634
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,040
strings of a bag together.
It'll, all of it will just start

635
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:22,880
kind of, you know, shifting
together, which I find to be,

636
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,320
you know, just super rewarding.
So if I'm writing a song by

637
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,880
myself, it's kind of the overall
process that I use.

638
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:36,520
If I'm, my hope is when I finish
with my songwriting time that

639
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,680
I've got, usually I allow myself
around 3 hours.

640
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:46,040
And then at the end, I'm hopeful
that I got to a verse and a

641
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,000
chorus from that session, right?
Maybe it's more, but that's what

642
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,880
I'm hoping for, yeah, If I'm
running with someone else, I

643
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,720
have a completely different
process for that.

644
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,040
Well, you have to.
You have to.

645
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,520
Yeah.
So, so do you.

646
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,960
Do you purposely?
Like when I write?

647
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,760
I did.
There's not purposeful meaning.

648
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,920
Meaning that that if if I'm
going and when I was in Nemesis,

649
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,679
have it all fucking time and
drove me nuts.

650
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:13,120
I would as soon as I'd laid my
head down on the pillow, a song

651
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,679
would pop into my brain.
And then I'd have to get up and

652
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,400
I'd have to go in the other room
and I'd have to start, keep

653
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,159
repeating what I, what was in my
head, those two or three lines

654
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,560
that popped in my head and then
get into my office and start

655
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,440
writing it down and just let it
free flow.

656
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,360
So I, I can't purposely, like
you just talked about, I, if I

657
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,440
sat down and breathed 100 times,
I, I would go into a meditative

658
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:39,520
state and probably fall asleep.
So, so, I mean, so, so do you

659
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,880
ever have those moments where
the muse just speaks to you?

660
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,120
Because I know you're and, and
OK, cool.

661
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,960
Because.
And I'm not, I'm not, I'm not

662
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,880
downplaying how you write
because you're creative as as,

663
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,400
as that's the analytical side of
his, right?

664
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,440
That's what I was getting at.
But that's the analytical.

665
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:55,960
I'm an aerospace engineer,
right?

666
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,800
You know, I can look at the
protons in the universe and I'm

667
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,360
like, you're splitting at it.
I'm exactly like you, Chris.

668
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,360
Not purposeful.
I've never heard it put that

669
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,760
way.
That's a great way of putting

670
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,480
it.
When he heard me jamming when he

671
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,960
first logged on, I don't ever
sit down to write a song.

672
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,800
I just pick up my guitar and
start playing.

673
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,920
And then all the sudden you're
like, oh, that's cool, Let's

674
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,680
explore that for a minute, you
know?

675
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,720
Yeah, that's cool.
I, I, I, I have moments.

676
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,520
That's what I just want to know.
Yeah, if, if, if, yeah, yeah, if

677
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,920
you have a muse aspect too.
But I mean, I get, I mean, all,

678
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,000
all musicians have deadlines,
especially when we get to the

679
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,040
level where they're touring and
and they're signed labels.

680
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,520
And you know, that's why a lot
of the sophomore albums are

681
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,040
sophomore slumps because the
entire you spent 15 years,

682
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,160
right, working on your first
album.

683
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,560
Yep, right.
And it's fine-tuned and it's

684
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,080
it's down to every single note
is perfect.

685
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:52,240
And then all of a sudden you're
you're that that rock at the

686
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:53,600
stardom.
Everybody thinks it's overnight

687
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,680
sensation.
It's like, well, no, not really,

688
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,440
but you've you haven't focused
on anything other than these

689
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,720
1520 songs, right?
So then all of a sudden you're

690
00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:03,320
next Dom, you got to write while
you're on the road.

691
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,080
So then you're under time
constraints and pressure and

692
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,200
you're not really in the right
mindset for the most part, which

693
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,600
in my eyes is why you have the
sophomore slump.

694
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,400
So I think, I think, I think
some people forcefully write and

695
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,960
I've guilty.
I've done it.

696
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,280
And then I realized I'm doing it
and I stop and they go back and

697
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,000
look at them.
That was fucking stupid.

698
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,240
Yeah, I.
Think I learned a ton, you know,

699
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,480
Andrea Stolpi told me, you know,
while, while I was there, most

700
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:34,520
people who are, have long term
successful careers, you know,

701
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,320
they, they write all the time
and it's a muscle and they keep

702
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,480
it going.
And so they put, they, they

703
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,840
learn to put themself in a state
where they can write and, and,

704
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,160
and not just, you know, put out
something, but, you know, stay,

705
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,920
stay with your voice and your
message and write.

706
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,960
And you're going to write, you
know, 60 songs a year and you're

707
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,000
going to pick eight that you
might actually put out.

708
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,800
And so there's going to be a lot
of, you know, all your little

709
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,840
babies that never see the light.
And so I think just for me

710
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,240
writing often I, I try to write
two or three songs in a month,

711
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:14,080
maybe maybe four or five if I'm
feeling like I have more to say.

712
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,960
And then, you know, sometimes I
get like, like today I was out

713
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,520
running this morning with my
dogs.

714
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,400
And you know, like you said,
I'm, I'm running, I'm doing my

715
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,240
thing.
And all of a sudden, boom,

716
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:30,320
something hit me, right?
And all of a sudden the words

717
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,080
just started coming to me,
right?

718
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,400
Like I'm this conduit that
they're just flowing through.

719
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,960
And I'm like, oh, what do I, you
know, So I, I carry my, my

720
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,320
phone.
Oh yeah, on my arm, right.

721
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,240
And then I just pop a memo and I
sing while I'm running whatever

722
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:48,080
I'm hearing.
And then I'll that'll catch it

723
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,120
in the moment, right?
That's what's, that's what's

724
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,080
great about technology.
Now I always, I always wish for

725
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:58,200
the concept of if, if we could
create an app that could read my

726
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,480
mind.
It's common, you know, 'cause I

727
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,080
'cause.
Everything I want that.

728
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:08,160
Right, 'cause the the voice, the
voice app itself is, is pretty

729
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,280
cool because once you, like you
said, once you get the first or

730
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,760
second line in your head and the
ability just click voice record,

731
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,520
then it just flows.
I've done that with Mike.

732
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,000
I've seen with stuff like that
over the years, but really to be

733
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,640
able to kind of just sync
something to your your head that

734
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,680
can pick up.
And I really, I don't know how

735
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,080
they would ever do it, but it
would be cool because there's so

736
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,160
amazing songs that I've written
in my brain, in my head that

737
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,120
never made it to paper.
Elon's inventing A neural link.

738
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,080
Yeah.
OK, there you go.

739
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,360
Way to go.
Elon coming at you, that's what

740
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,000
it is coming at you quick.
And I found it was a big

741
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:46,920
impediment for me when I was
learning about, you know, like I

742
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,240
say, I was a guitarist before a
vocalist, right?

743
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,280
I was a lyricist before being a
guitarist.

744
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:58,080
So to me, I had to get all of my
skills close enough to be on par

745
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:02,440
so that I can sit down myself
and do the things right.

746
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,560
It was very clunky when I was
writing early because I would, I

747
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,520
would get the, you know, the
lyrics and I would get the, the

748
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,480
guitar part and I would put them
in a DAW and I would get the

749
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,120
melody and play around with it.
And it was sort of, it was this

750
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:18,000
iterative process inside of
technology, which I don't like.

751
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,640
And then when I finally got
everything sort of, you know,

752
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,640
trained up well, two or three
years ago, I can sit down with

753
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:30,480
my just my guitar or piano and I
can, I can write and sing and

754
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,400
and voice dictate And it it all
comes to it feels natural now.

755
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,440
It feels organic and less like
I'm, you know, clunking through

756
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,000
steps, you know, which I think
has been great unlock for me.

757
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,800
Well, I liked what you said
earlier about it being a muscle.

758
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,240
If you don't, you know, when
people find out that you play

759
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:50,600
and then they're like, wow,
you're, you really do play.

760
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:53,480
It's because you do it every
day.

761
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,160
You know, people don't realize
that you don't just set it down

762
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,760
and pick it up a month from now
and be that same player, right?

763
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,280
And you have to do it every day,
just like brushing your teeth or

764
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,880
taking a shower or whatever.
You know, it's, it's something

765
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,160
that has to be routine.
How many hours do you play your

766
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,040
guitar a day?
Mike I.

767
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,320
I never it's not in hours
anymore.

768
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,720
I always make sure I play at
least 15 minutes every day.

769
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,800
OK, so sometimes that 15 minutes
turns into two hours, and

770
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,640
sometimes that 15 minutes is
literally 15 minutes.

771
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,800
But I forced myself, and I have
my entire playing career since I

772
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,920
was nine years old, to make sure
I picked it up every day for at

773
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,240
least 15 minutes.
Yeah, I, I think when I'm,

774
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:40,920
because I, I started learning,
you know, in 2011, all these

775
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,000
things, you know, I've had to go
through the 10,000 steps that

776
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,240
you did probably from age 9 to
10.

777
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:51,000
I had to do all of those myself.
You know, for my, for my voice,

778
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,880
for my, my, my guitar work and.
For my When did you start

779
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,080
playing guitar, Mark?
2011.

780
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:01,200
I knew it was recently, so yeah.
So just just.

781
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,280
Sort of learning 10 years and
now but.

782
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,200
Yeah, yeah.
I feel, I feel confident on it,

783
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,040
you know, I, I, I feel
confident, you know, playing.

784
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,280
The reason I ask is because the
music that I have heard you

785
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,400
release, I really like your
styling, for lack of a better

786
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:17,920
term.
You know, your voice on the

787
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,280
guitar is really cool.
Well, thank you.

788
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,720
Thank you.
I have a lot of people around me

789
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:24,640
that help help help me learn
that, you know?

790
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,160
Yeah.
And the other cool thing,

791
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:27,720
obviously you're comfortable
enough with what you're doing

792
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:29,920
that you're touring.
So that just shows you right

793
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,520
there that you you have no
problem stepping on a stage and,

794
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,560
you know, kicking ass.
Now when you go on tour, is it

795
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,600
just you or do you have a band
backing you up?

796
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,280
It's just me solo.
So, you know, at the moment my

797
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:48,960
show is is very much, you know,
like a Jason Mraz show or like

798
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,120
a, you know, an Ed Sheeran or
John Mayer solo show, right?

799
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,680
So it's very much like that.
I have a trio at home that I

800
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,760
play with and my big show here
in town actually is a five

801
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,160
piece.
So at some point in time I'd

802
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,800
love to be able to up to your
the the venues that I'm playing

803
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,920
where I have enough of a
following in certain areas where

804
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,640
I can do like I do here in
Houston.

805
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,880
I'm a community.
Guy, I would love to have a

806
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,400
stage full of people with me
just sharing in the moments.

807
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,360
Yeah, absolutely.
But you know, people have to be

808
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,880
able to take off from their
work, you know?

809
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:20,720
Right.
Does does your wife go on the

810
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:23,320
tour with you?
She comes out a week out of

811
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,400
every month.
We learned, you know, I'm I'm

812
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,880
playing it.
If you look at my schedule, I'm

813
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,120
playing a show.
Every day I'm driving 5 hours

814
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,400
and I'm playing a show every day
and she hears my music at home

815
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,800
all the time too, so it bless
her heart right?

816
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,760
It's like, OK, so we.
Learned the week she comes out.

817
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:46,480
I only book like 4 shows that
week and then we go hiking three

818
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,080
of the days right And so we come
out and we.

819
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:50,080
Is it good for?
Her.

820
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,240
And then it's like, OK, it's
time to get home again, you

821
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:54,360
know?
She's heard all the songs so

822
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,240
many times.
It's more of just supporting.

823
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,240
Me, you know, my wife's the same
way.

824
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:00,440
That's my wife's the same way.
Totally.

825
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:02,560
You know, Yeah.
That's the flip side of being in

826
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,960
a relationship is your fans find
out, you know, your family life.

827
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,000
And they're like, oh, what?
They don't want to be a part of

828
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,320
it.
It's like they lived it.

829
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,320
They heard it incessant, you
know, they don't need to hear it

830
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,240
or want to hear it again.
And I respect.

831
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,920
Yes, that's a yeah.
A good friend of mine who's a

832
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,480
songwriter in the area, he told
me early in my career when I was

833
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,080
observing him, he said, you
know, Mark, the most important

834
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,280
thing I can tell you for the
relationships in your lives, do

835
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,840
not expect your family and
friends to be your fans.

836
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,920
No, now I the way that the way
that's a little different for

837
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,880
me.
My son, when he heard the the

838
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,200
album I put out with the band
Hollow Council, absolutely loved

839
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,320
it because he was at that age
where he was just learning music

840
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,120
and to this day he he loves the
song Empty Man, which is about a

841
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,880
serial killer from the eyes of a
serial killer.

842
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,480
Shocking.
I know Mike, but just like love

843
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,840
that there's so much so that he
hasn't in playlists and stuff

844
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,800
and he'll screenshot it to me to
this day that's.

845
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,200
Really cool.
You know that's a blessing, man,

846
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,560
that's amazing.
Right, right.

847
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,600
And then and then Nikki, because
she's heard everything from

848
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,840
Nemesis all the way every band I
was ever in, she goes back to

849
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,960
saying Nemesis was the best
group of guys ever played with,

850
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,920
which I agree.
And then when I wrote my my

851
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:22,280
third book, she was helping me
write it because she helped me

852
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,240
with I'm second geography.
So she's helping me with certain

853
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:26,560
things and she's never read it
and people give her shit because

854
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,560
she's never read it.
I'm like, look, she was sitting

855
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,720
next to me half the time was
being written because we'd go on

856
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:33,320
these Rd. trips and I'd be she'd
be driving, I'd be typing on my

857
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,320
iPad, you know, this is what I'm
type talking about, blah, blah.

858
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:37,440
And she'd give her a little
insight.

859
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,080
So it's the same concept.
Like she doesn't need to read

860
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,400
it.
She, she understands it because

861
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,000
she was with me when I was doing
it.

862
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:48,080
And I, I guess I would put it
differently in that it sounds

863
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,360
bad to say that don't expect him
to like it.

864
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,000
I think you have to put it into
perspective in that, like Chris

865
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,640
said, and that's why I started
saying that Nikki told him I

866
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,360
lived it.
You know, it's like, that's an

867
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,320
important distinction from your
fans versus the people who are

868
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,720
there every day that love you,
Mark.

869
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:10,560
And you, Chris and me, Mike, as
a human being, right?

870
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,000
Because some of my friends are
like, yeah, you're a great

871
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,760
guitar player, but I love you,
dude.

872
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,320
You know, I love you as a human
being.

873
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,040
I love being around you.
I don't give a fuck if you play

874
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,880
guitar or not.
I'm still going to hang out with

875
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:21,720
you.
Yeah.

876
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,840
Those are the people you want in
your life as an artist.

877
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,920
Yeah, and I think it's a, you
know, that whole the energy, you

878
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,080
know, at some point I'm going to
say, you know, you guys

879
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,160
experience this.
I'm I'm starting to experience

880
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:34,920
it.
You know, your your brand

881
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:39,080
becomes relatable to people that
don't know you and people come

882
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,440
out to see you because they like
your message and your brand and

883
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,720
your show.
They they're not there because

884
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:47,400
they love you as a person,
right, Although they may, they

885
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,240
may.
But I think going, you know, as

886
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:53,880
you move into that, that phase,
you know, it's, it's

887
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,840
interesting.
I mean, like, like early for me,

888
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,040
like validation, right?
I do art.

889
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,640
I really love my grandma.
I love my, my parents.

890
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,040
I love my friends.
I love to share my art with

891
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,400
them, right?
But you know, and they'll,

892
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:09,880
they'll like, oh, you know, we
love you, Mark.

893
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,400
And that's a great little piece
of art, but it, I think it takes

894
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:18,760
another artist to really
understand when some, when, when

895
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,480
an artist is sharing something
with you, there's a level of

896
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,920
intimacy and respect that you
have to have for each other to

897
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,440
share your feelings and, and to
stop and take a moment to

898
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,200
appreciate the other person's
art.

899
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,120
And I think if you have that,
then you're able to, to relate

900
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,480
to artists in your life better.
If you're not an artist, I think

901
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,920
you just don't know, you don't
know how to, how to appreciate

902
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,040
something in that way.
Right.

903
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,160
True.
You're burying your soul to that

904
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:44,400
person.
Yeah, yeah.

905
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:50,960
There's no more vulnerable place
in your life than sharing a

906
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,640
piece of art with somebody
because it means so much to you.

907
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,200
And if it doesn't mean that to
anyone else, then you're

908
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:00,800
crushed.
You know, it's like, what did I

909
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:01,480
miss?
Yeah.

910
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,560
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, it's and.

911
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,640
That, and that's why I asked how
you, how you're doing your tour

912
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:11,440
because to me a stripped down
basically, whether it's acoustic

913
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,880
or or electric guitar, you're
still on a stage by yourself

914
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,080
with the spotlight that's as
vulnerable as you're going to

915
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,680
get.
So I, I, we never did a lot of

916
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,440
acoustic stuff in Nemesis, the
last band I did, we did a we did

917
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,880
a few a few shows like that.
And I remember thinking it's a

918
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,760
really weird dynamic because I'm
used to having this this loud

919
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,920
force behind me, right.
And you use that energy.

920
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:40,040
Oh yeah, big time.
So the first time I sat down and

921
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:44,520
did an acoustic set with that
guitarist, it was really is

922
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:49,920
weird to me because I sing loud
like I don't I don't sing within

923
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,800
a talking range.
Mike can attest that I sing

924
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,160
loud.
I'm a loud singer.

925
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,160
I had to step away from the mic
or I do my mic checks and stuff

926
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:58,520
before the shows.
So I know.

927
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:05,280
So for me to tone it down
acoustically, it was just, it

928
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,880
just really didn't work.
I, I there was a time he didn't

929
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,720
understand what that meant.
We had.

930
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:12,560
To tone it down.
We had to work on.

931
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:17,040
He became the honestly mark.
He became the best person at mic

932
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:18,920
control.
That's why I give him shit now

933
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,680
when I tell him, hey, you got to
get up on your mic.

934
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,520
Jesus Christ.
He became one of the best I've

935
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,320
ever been around.
Because when you sing that loud,

936
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:33,520
you are making your sound man's
life a living hell if he doesn't

937
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,240
cooperate with what you agreed
to in the beginning, right?

938
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,040
Right.
Once that show starts, he has to

939
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,400
do what he told the guy he was
going to do or there's feedback

940
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,600
coming through at a level you
can't understand.

941
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,160
So I completely agree with what
he's saying.

942
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:54,560
It's weird for his style to go
to a soft a soft, but it's

943
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,240
almost the musicians
responsibility at that point to

944
00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:01,160
accommodate him, right?
You know, here's how we're going

945
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,800
to make it work.
I found myself a Sir.

946
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,920
Good.
No, I was just to say my sound

947
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,560
checks I would do, I would sing
a couple lines from Pearl Gems,

948
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,600
Wild Eyed, Crazy Mary, because
that was my low register.

949
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,080
And then I legit would do the
high register.

950
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,960
I don't know what song I would
pick, but I was I was loud.

951
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,160
I was I was back off the mic.
I think you did the scream at

952
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,720
the end of Freeman.
Yeah.

953
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:27,200
OK, there you go.
Yeah, because he needed to

954
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,240
understand.
And I never knew what octaves

955
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:32,520
and range I had because that
wasn't important to me at all.

956
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,440
I mean, something like the 67, I
don't give a shit.

957
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,920
I just, He was looking Mark to
look at how much compression he

958
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:42,360
needed to dial up at that moment
in time because Chris's dynamic

959
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,520
range was insane.
He would go from this guttural

960
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:53,000
low growl to just piercing the
speakers high.

961
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:58,720
Yeah, that I think the the, you
know, when you're when you're up

962
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,880
and it's kind of vice versa too.
Like I played a bit with a four

963
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,280
piece band, like I'll call it
like mild rock, right.

964
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,280
So we had a crucial full drum
kit and whatever.

965
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:13,320
And so the feeling of that was
very different, you know, when I

966
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:17,480
had the drummer banging on the
rides behind me or the snare,

967
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:18,280
you know?
How do you?

968
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:22,880
Even hear yourself as a vocalist
to a more intimate setting.

969
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:27,560
What I found myself I found in
ears, which were super helpful

970
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:30,880
no matter what Now, so no matter
what venue I play, I have a

971
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,000
little teeny in ear patch that I
use.

972
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,600
It's actually a cable from my
guitar.

973
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,760
It runs side by side.
It runs down to my pedal board,

974
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:42,640
right?
And it's just a, it just feeds

975
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,640
my vocal out to the mains.
So my basically my mic just

976
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,520
plugs in to a it's a little
teeny Beringer patch.

977
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,480
That's all it is.
And so I can hear myself

978
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:53,760
completely.
If I want to put the front of

979
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,000
house in there, I could, but
that usually comes through the

980
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,960
monitor just fine.
And so I hear myself just fine.

981
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,840
But I found myself, you know it
when I'm up in that intimate

982
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,160
environment, you know, I love
storytelling.

983
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,560
I love the whole, you know, vibe
of being on a journey where I'm

984
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,840
actually talking to people.
And so just learning to nurture

985
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,720
that in my first set of tours
last year was a great skill.

986
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:19,600
And I found a lot of personal
satisfaction in that level of

987
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,120
intimacy.
Right.

988
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,520
And so now when I do a the trio
show or a bigger show, it still

989
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,200
has a, the energy level is, is
muted.

990
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,040
It's not, you know, full on rock
band.

991
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,000
It's, you know, it's a muted
vibe.

992
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,160
Yeah.
And see, I would love to be able

993
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,520
to be comfortable and confident
and sing at that level just from

994
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,920
an acoustic standpoint because I
do it in my head all the time

995
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,000
and I do it with with bands and
I know they can pull that off.

996
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:44,880
I'm just not confident enough
with it.

997
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,240
Like I know I could do it and
pull it off, but it's not

998
00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:49,800
something that's my confidence
level because whenever I step to

999
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:54,000
mic, to me, it's got to be and,
and not screaming, mind you,

1000
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,400
singing in key.
But again, I'm, I was a loud

1001
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,400
singer.
It's it's just the only way I

1002
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,280
can explain it, you know, And so
here's the technical term

1003
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,840
because I know Mark likes the
technical term, right?

1004
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,480
He did what they call frying his
vocal cords.

1005
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,240
So they call it vocal fry,
right?

1006
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:17,440
So he would.
You're actually making your

1007
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,480
vocal cords rattled together
until you hit the pitch, right.

1008
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:26,720
So you're getting that
rock'n'roll Southern draw.

1009
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,320
Yeah.
That power.

1010
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,920
I'm trying to think of the word
that it's, it's a feeling more

1011
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,720
than anything, right.
You're in key.

1012
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:38,120
But he was able to add his own
character to it as well, right.

1013
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,240
I guess that's the word I'm
looking for is, yeah.

1014
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,360
Chris Dunham would come out, you
know, it's in key.

1015
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,200
The iron Dog.
The Iron Dog would show, but you

1016
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,600
also got his personality as
well.

1017
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:52,080
Yeah, you guys know Chris Lipe?
LIEPE.

1018
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,560
He's a vocal coach.
She's also a singer and he loves

1019
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,480
the rock genre.
He's he's a phenomenal singer

1020
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,080
and he's a phenomenal vocal
because he's got a big following

1021
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,480
on his YouTube channel.
But he talks a lot about what

1022
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,240
you were just saying, like I
love the technical.

1023
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,520
Explanation He tells you what's
happening.

1024
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,680
He's a baldy like you Chris.
So he's like you know you'll be

1025
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,480
right there in the camp with you
and he does a lot.

1026
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:20,320
Chris Cornell is his is his all
time favorite singer, but if you

1027
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,440
go check his channel out you'll
hear him doing a lot of that

1028
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,200
heavy.
Cool compression and fry in his

1029
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:32,120
in his training too so.
So you obviously know the song

1030
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,560
Temple of the Dog, right?
Yes, I do.

1031
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:36,600
OK.
So I can do both those parts

1032
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,520
flow.
I can be a better.

1033
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,800
I can be Cornell.
It's harder strike.

1034
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,360
Yeah, yeah, yeah, harder strike.
It was harder.

1035
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,480
For me to do it, yeah, it.
Was harder for me to do it

1036
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,840
singing both parts in the same
song, but I could still, I could

1037
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,760
still do that.
So that gives you an idea of how

1038
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,960
I could play musically.
And I had a vocal coach.

1039
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,720
I had a vocal coach the entire
time I was in Nemesis because I

1040
00:53:57,720 --> 00:54:00,800
looked at it and a lot of
singers, well, I, you know, I'm,

1041
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:02,560
I don't do 1 words because I
talk all day.

1042
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,000
Well, yeah, OK, but it's still
an instrument so.

1043
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,480
And I went when I was in college
going through theater, when I

1044
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,200
first started going to this to
become a theater major, one of

1045
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,360
the first classes I took was
voice and diction because I

1046
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,000
wanted to make sure I was
enunciating and I wanted to

1047
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,720
learn how to use my voice
because I'm on a theatre stage.

1048
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,160
There's no microphone, man.
You have to project.

1049
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,520
So that's where I kind of
learned that skill of projecting

1050
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,080
and being loud.
So when I ended up being in a

1051
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,600
band, I never stopped.
I never stopped him projecting.

1052
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,520
Well, I think that's people
would find that fascinating

1053
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,640
because I remembered you did
that.

1054
00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:41,160
I went and I, I took Blues
lessons from Chuck Hall of Chuck

1055
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,160
Hall, the brick wall.
Scott was taking jazz drum

1056
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,880
lessons and Rick was always
educating himself, right.

1057
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:51,400
All of us were taking lessons
along with being professional

1058
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,160
musicians at the same time, so.
I love, I love.

1059
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:55,720
That level of seriousness, you
know?

1060
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:56,240
Thank.
You.

1061
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,480
Well, yeah.
And that is amazing, yeah.

1062
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:02,160
And it's more so from a singer
standpoint because because we're

1063
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:07,680
out there more, more so than the
rest of the band, the voices

1064
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,880
are, this is our instrument.
And if you can't perform, you

1065
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:10,880
have to figure out, OK, how can
I?

1066
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,200
Because there's nights we went
on, we had shows and I was sick,

1067
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,560
I had the flu or I had a cold or
whatever.

1068
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,880
And so I had to learn how to
navigate having those little

1069
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,480
weird nuances that everybody
gets and still come across the

1070
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,400
best product possible.
And that was the that was the

1071
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:25,760
thing to me about a vocal
coaches.

1072
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,920
It taught me how to use my
diaphragm because MMM said I

1073
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,000
never heard vocal fry, but
that's, that makes sense.

1074
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,760
But I learned how to use my
diaphragm, my breathing and my

1075
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,320
throat at the same time.
So I wasn't damaging my throat.

1076
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,560
I, I, you know, it, it, the
power is not there like it used

1077
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,360
to be in 9590, you know, 93 when
we were playing.

1078
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,040
But I can still get up there.
If, if I started back into the

1079
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,480
nuance, OK, I got to start doing
my vocal training and my vocal

1080
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,160
exercise and stuff.
And I did if I did that every

1081
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,640
day for a month, then I know
everything would kind of fall

1082
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,080
back into place because of
muscle memory.

1083
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:01,240
So I think, I think from all
musicians standpoint, it's like

1084
00:56:01,240 --> 00:56:03,480
you taking lessons since 2011.
You have to do that.

1085
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:07,000
You have to understand your
craft and how to make it's the

1086
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,880
best craft that you can present
to the world because otherwise,

1087
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,640
why are you doing it?
Yeah, I I love that.

1088
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,160
And I think the, you know, I'm
curious anyway, so I want to

1089
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:16,680
know.
But you got to get the right

1090
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,240
people to, you know, teaching
you.

1091
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:23,280
I think you know, my, my, my
vocal coach Wes Landry here in

1092
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:24,760
town.
He sings for the use in opera.

1093
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,920
He's got lots of degrees in
vocal performance and he's

1094
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,720
taught me, you know, a ton.
I would never have made it

1095
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:34,240
through my tours last year
playing every night, two or

1096
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:37,320
three hours a night, right?
Singing never would have

1097
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,080
happened if I hadn't had his
training.

1098
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:44,720
I think just, you know, having
the right mentality about, about

1099
00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:47,800
learning and about being
serious, you know, for me,

1100
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,320
that's just been my approach to
things.

1101
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,560
I'm not doing.
It's not a hobby for me, right?

1102
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,600
You know, it's an extension of
me and and and this is.

1103
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,240
The next part of your life, man.
Yeah.

1104
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,000
Here's the here's the best
example I can give for vocal

1105
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:01,880
coach.
Why you need one.

1106
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,000
The first time we went to
Nashville for the last band and

1107
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,600
recorded, it was supposed to
just record 4 songs and I was

1108
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,000
just singing along to them.
I wasn't supposed to be

1109
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,920
recording the actual sessions.
12 hours with a lunch break.

1110
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:16,840
I sang those 4 songs and then we
were done.

1111
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:17,960
He's like, OK, you guys are
done.

1112
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,920
I got all it takes and we're
like, well, don't I have to

1113
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,960
sing?
He's like, no, you, you sing all

1114
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,680
day.
I got it and I was fine.

1115
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,880
I'm I was tired, my throat was
tired, my voice was tired.

1116
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:33,600
But legitimately we would run
through a song and the beginning

1117
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,000
of Empty Man on the CD is will
you stop, fuck around and get it

1118
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,680
right.
And I chuckled because we get to

1119
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,400
this point in the song where I'm
holding out the scream and they

1120
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,600
kept fucking up the trans, the
transition from it.

1121
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,680
So about 6 times into it because
that's the first time we get out

1122
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,840
of the gate.
Tony and me, Gloria the producer

1123
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:50,640
is like OK, you guys ready?
I was like wait a minute, I'm

1124
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,120
like you guys got to stop
fucking around and get this

1125
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,000
thing right like you're killing
me.

1126
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,480
And that stop fucking around and
get it right made the final cut

1127
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,560
like it's there is the first
song on the CD.

1128
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,360
That is the.
First thing you hear, right?

1129
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,680
The first thing you hear is that
it's that word that that

1130
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,400
sentence, and it's.
But it takes you back to that

1131
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,680
moment in time because it made
it through all the cuts.

1132
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,760
That's phenomenal.
But that's that's why, that's

1133
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,040
why vocal coaches are important.
That's why practicing your

1134
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,040
guitars important practice piano
and drums and bass.

1135
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,840
I can attest to what he's saying
because I engineered and

1136
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:29,200
produced quite a number of his
vocal tracks and we didn't ever

1137
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,280
have to do too many takes.
Yeah, it's just it blew my.

1138
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,440
Mind.
But something I'm learning right

1139
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,040
since I'm a newer vocalist.
The first set of tracks that I

1140
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,240
did.
Were, you know, the first album

1141
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,480
I released was many, many more
takes.

1142
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:47,040
Now it's, it's two or three
takes and, you know, maybe,

1143
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,880
maybe something for doubling or
something for harmony.

1144
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:51,760
Right.
Yeah.

1145
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,320
But it's getting, I'm getting
better, you know?

1146
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,360
And it shows your songs, your
songs, your songs show growth.

1147
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,600
That's the cool thing about
technology now that we didn't

1148
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,360
have then.
Like we cassette recorded our

1149
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,200
practices and we had cassette
tapes and I'd take the tape home

1150
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:06,920
and go, MM, put that down for
me.

1151
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,240
He's like, what?
Just put it down for give it to

1152
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:09,440
me.
And then I'd go listen to it for

1153
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,800
days, you know?
And by the end of the week, I'd

1154
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:13,880
had the song nailed because I
just listened to it over and

1155
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,200
over.
And over and I love you guys you

1156
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,320
guys are hard working you're
serious about what you do right

1157
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,360
that's amazing right I mean
everyone approached that their

1158
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,160
life that way right think about
how much more people could

1159
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,480
accomplish I've.
Been saying this a lot lately,

1160
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:27,960
Mark.
I'm quite confident.

1161
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,760
I mean, I'm way better now, but
I'm quite confident that I had

1162
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,360
my life way more together when I
was 19 than I did when I was

1163
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:39,120
like 3735.
You know, after the music fell

1164
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,680
apart, my life fell apart
because that was my fault.

1165
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,320
You can see where my focus was
for all that time, right?

1166
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:50,120
And when I met Chris and his
work ethic as a singer, I had

1167
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,840
never found before, right?
Most singers were like, I got

1168
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,440
this.
I can just show up and do it.

1169
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:58,760
And no, you can't.
He was the 1st about, he was the

1170
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,560
first guy I ever met that like
he said it just like that.

1171
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,920
And he's like, give me that
riff, you know?

1172
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,600
And I'm like, why?
And he's like, I just need to

1173
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,680
listen to it, man.
I know what I want to do, but I

1174
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:13,480
can't do it yet, right?
Three days later he would show

1175
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,200
up and he's like, you remember
that thing you played the other

1176
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,320
day?
Play it, not play it.

1177
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,240
And there we would go.
He would take off and my eyes

1178
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,240
would go like, Jesus.
He said, I told you I heard it.

1179
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,080
I just had to practice it.
Yeah.

1180
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:25,800
That's that's inspiring.
Yeah, yeah.

1181
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:26,720
Go.
Ahead.

1182
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:28,640
Go ahead, Mark.
Go ahead, Mark.

1183
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,400
That's inspiring.
I think for me, you know, that's

1184
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,280
something it was hard for me to
understand as a vocalist.

1185
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,160
It was much easier for me to
understand as a guitar player,

1186
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,840
right?
I was trying to get a a a riff

1187
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,480
down and I would play it and
play it until I got exactly all

1188
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,360
the, the way out the energy I
wanted into it when I was

1189
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,920
singing.
It was so hard for me to I felt

1190
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,360
like this, you know, this
awkward turtle, right?

1191
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,120
I'm like, I got to get the pitch
right and then I missed the

1192
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,520
breath and then I missed the
transition and then I didn't say

1193
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:00,000
that.
And so then you get all the

1194
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,720
things you think right and you
listen to and you're like, that

1195
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,280
sounds terrible.
I didn't.

1196
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,040
You get I'm unintelligible.
I didn't.

1197
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:07,960
The diction wasn't right.
You didn't.

1198
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:14,360
So it was so it was so much of
an internal element for me to

1199
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,840
learn to do that.
That, you know, I, I, it took a

1200
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,000
lot of growth for me to be able
to, to sort of get there.

1201
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:26,000
I you know, I still go ahead.
No, but see, there's the thing

1202
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,960
like you're self-taught for the
most part, right?

1203
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:30,400
When you have lessons and things
like that.

1204
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,800
But to go from where you were
then to where you are now, the,

1205
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,000
the, what is it 14 year journey,
you have to be able to look at

1206
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:38,640
that, right?
You have to be able to look at

1207
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,080
that.
Like, look, I started here and I

1208
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,920
was terrible.
Now I'm here and I'm going on

1209
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:45,760
tours.
You're not terrible.

1210
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,400
Not.
No, but that to me, that to me

1211
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,040
is just it's, it's fantastic
because it shows your love of

1212
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,200
music and love of creation.
Part of it's your analytical

1213
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,840
brain and and who you are as a
very intelligent, but it also

1214
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,080
shows his work ethic as well,
right.

1215
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:05,040
And a very lifelong learner who
can do so many different things.

1216
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,440
We learned from the first time
you're on the show, and then now

1217
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,880
you're taking all of this, all
this, Matt, like you probably

1218
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:11,360
use like 90% of your brain,
right?

1219
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:12,920
Yeah.
Real quick, people, if you

1220
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,040
didn't listen to Mark's first
episode, go listen to it right

1221
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,080
now because yeah, that's after
this one.

1222
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,240
After this one.
Yeah, after this one.

1223
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,680
Because it is, man.
It's just it amazes me when we

1224
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,920
come across Someone Like You
because I call it a life resume.

1225
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:28,840
Your life resume before music
was amazing.

1226
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,320
And now you have this.
Now you have this life's resume

1227
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,040
before music and one after
music.

1228
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,840
And like kid you not, you can
come back on the show once a

1229
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,720
year for all we care, just to
update where you're at in life

1230
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,000
because it's it's it's such a
great conversation.

1231
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,200
Actually, we got an assist.
Right and you got you know, I

1232
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:46,600
love y'all it's.
Like 10 minutes.

1233
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:48,760
I I could hang out with y'all
for hours.

1234
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:50,120
We could just keep chatting,
right?

1235
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,000
It's like, I'm so amazing.
And we're still chatting.

1236
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:53,560
I'm not, I'm not saying we have
to stop the show.

1237
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:56,080
I'm just saying it's, it's been
an hour and it feels like 10

1238
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,800
minutes because you're just that
easy to talk to.

1239
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,920
And you, you have that much love
for just being a human.

1240
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,040
It's not necessarily just being
a musician.

1241
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,200
You just that's, that's rare,
man.

1242
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:11,120
It's a rare, it's rare in the
world to find somebody like you

1243
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,800
that has all these passions.
And you've been able to kind of

1244
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,800
go through those different
phases of your life and achieve

1245
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,320
the level of success that most
people just dream of for one

1246
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,320
thing.
And you've done it on so many

1247
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:23,920
different levels and so many
different scales.

1248
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,440
It's just, it's cool, man.
I'm excited to come hang out

1249
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,960
with you, Yucatop on the 20th.
It's going to be a lot of fun.

1250
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,200
And you know, I really think,
you know, we're headed into this

1251
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:36,760
world where there's so many
tools available to us to chase

1252
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:41,560
our dreams and passions, right?
It's like it's just your level

1253
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,440
of energy and discipline that is
really holding you in a

1254
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,640
situation where you want to grow
from, right?

1255
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,120
I mean, all these tools now with
AI and whatever else you can,

1256
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,120
you know, I think what does it
mean to be human?

1257
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:57,240
It means to be, you know, to
feel, it means to be alive.

1258
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,320
It needs to to to breathe.
We need to connect, right?

1259
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,320
But you can also pursue all
these things with all this

1260
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:07,120
technology now that was
impossible two years ago.

1261
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,960
And it's just going to get, you
know, more and more amazing.

1262
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,040
That way you can unlock your
mind, you know?

1263
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:14,640
Yep.
Mike, you had something I was

1264
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:15,960
going to say.
I just thought of this.

1265
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:21,560
Mark is our Brian May.
Oh, there you go, right?

1266
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,920
Brian May is an astrophysicist.
Yeah, I was thinking.

1267
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,280
Yeah, who else do I know that is
that smart but that cool at the

1268
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,240
same time?
Because that is rare.

1269
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:30,720
You're like.
He's way cooler than me.

1270
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,120
He plays with a silver dollar,
right?

1271
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:33,920
Doesn't he plays a guitar with a
silver dollar?

1272
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,520
He does something like, shit, I
didn't know that.

1273
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:37,320
Really.
Yeah.

1274
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,520
He lost his pick one time and
that's all he had.

1275
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:41,640
So he just kept doing it from
that point forward.

1276
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:43,360
Wow.
Wow.

1277
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:47,560
I'm just saying it's rare where
you find somebody, and I'm not

1278
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,040
saying there's anything wrong
with being mathematical and

1279
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:51,920
analytical.
We need those people.

1280
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,640
But it's very rare that you find
somebody that their brain works

1281
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:59,800
that hard in that direction and
equally as hard in an artistic

1282
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:03,280
direction, because most
analytical brains don't

1283
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,880
understand art.
They may appreciate it, but

1284
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:07,280
their brain doesn't work that
way.

1285
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,800
So I find that so rare, man, and
he's the only other person I can

1286
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:12,600
think of that falls in that
category.

1287
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:14,560
Well, that's an immense
compliment.

1288
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,800
He's, I think Brian May is like
way up here in that category and

1289
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:19,440
I'm.
He's had a lot more years to

1290
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:23,160
practice.
But yeah, he's a pretty

1291
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:24,960
phenomenal guy.
No question.

1292
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:31,280
Yeah.
So when do you start this tour?

1293
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,920
I know Chris had the dates up,
but what's your first official

1294
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,320
date?
March 24th.

1295
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,120
So that's the that's the
kickoff.

1296
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:44,520
And like I said, we have a pre
show here March 7th at the the

1297
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:49,080
Armadillo Palace in Houston.
So that'll be sort of me and my

1298
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:55,240
friend Roxy and a good friend of
ours, Jimmy Yunus, a Mexican

1299
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:56,680
country guy.
We're all we've got.

1300
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,120
We're on a ticket together here
in town and it's going to be an

1301
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:03,000
amazing way to gear myself up to
get hit the road.

1302
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,040
So because we haven't really
talked about it, walk us

1303
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,840
through, you know, you've been
thinking about what you're going

1304
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:12,000
to do and you know, you have a
plan for this tour.

1305
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,040
Walk us through like what people
are going to experience when you

1306
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,160
hit the stage.
Yeah.

1307
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:21,240
So, you know, it's important for
me, you know, when I'm inviting

1308
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:24,400
people out that they, first of
all, they understand, you know,

1309
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,600
we're, we're talking about an
intimate style show.

1310
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:32,160
Yeah, it's going to be acoustic.
Me and my voice.

1311
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,960
I have a piano and so I play a
few songs.

1312
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,760
On the ohh, right on.
I love that you just went up

1313
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,600
another level with me.
Just think from.

1314
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,920
Here you're already here, and
now you're here because you can

1315
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,040
play piano.
It's one thing I wish I would

1316
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,760
have learned when I was a child
growing up, a piano, because

1317
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:51,360
piano to me is just the ultimate
instrument because you do so

1318
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,400
much with the piano and and
musicians that play piano.

1319
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:55,880
It's it's kind of like a female
singer.

1320
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,280
You automatically got cred.
Yeah, like automatically,

1321
01:06:58,560 --> 01:06:59,560
automatically.
Now you got piano.

1322
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:00,600
Great.
There go.

1323
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:01,880
So go ahead.
Sorry, go ahead.

1324
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:03,600
Sorry, no, no, no worries.
And so.

1325
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,280
You got excited.
I've got a little, I got some, a

1326
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:10,440
few pieces I'll play on the
piano and then I've got an

1327
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:14,360
electric guitar as well.
So for my longer shows I'll play

1328
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,640
most of it on my acoustic.
I'll start and then I'll

1329
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:19,400
transition over for a few songs
from the piano.

1330
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,000
Usually I'll loop some piano
chords and play a little bit

1331
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:23,880
electric and then I'm back on my
acoustic.

1332
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:30,120
You know, you'll hear songs from
my my newest album release as

1333
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,160
well as my previous release,
acoustic me.

1334
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:37,080
So I have a few covers I play
usually that are signature

1335
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:40,000
covers of mine that remind me of
people in my life or my

1336
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:43,720
influences in my writing.
So I'll play a few of those.

1337
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:48,800
You know, as you come in, you
might hear me read a small bit

1338
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:52,640
of poetry about just sharing the
room with you and sharing some

1339
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:56,760
energy.
And then, you know, I think

1340
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:04,840
having, I guess just having a
great energetic, thoughtful set

1341
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,560
to share with everyone's stories
from the road.

1342
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,600
You know, if it's a, if it's a
listening room or a theater,

1343
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,600
you'll hear, you know, a few
stories from the songs that I'm

1344
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:19,520
playing and, you know, a lot of
thankfulness for for being there

1345
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,160
with me.
And maybe sure, you know, a call

1346
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:26,760
out to, to add a few extra
protons to your life and make

1347
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,880
the world a little better as you
leave the the show from from my

1348
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,120
point of view.
And a few people I'm going to do

1349
01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:36,240
some volunteer events with as
well.

1350
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:38,680
I love doing those if my
schedule permits.

1351
01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:43,960
So should be a, you know, a fun
evening, Upbeat.

1352
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,479
I'm not a sad storyteller.
I'm an upbeat storyteller.

1353
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:49,600
So good.
Should be a lot of fun.

1354
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:52,760
Yeah, a lot of shows.
I'm scrolling the tour dates as

1355
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:54,399
you come.
I used to do a little bit of

1356
01:08:55,359 --> 01:09:00,200
poetry, introducing some songs
we have when we were playing

1357
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,720
just, you know, I really wish
that you and I would have

1358
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:06,279
finished that spoken word thing
that you we started and never.

1359
01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:08,359
That was so cool, man.
Right on.

1360
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,399
Yeah, I would.
I did this thing called Welcome

1361
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:13,560
to my Mind, Mark.
That was huge.

1362
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:16,920
Doors fans was kind of played
off off Morrison's stuff, but it

1363
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,800
was it was poetry, lyrics and
beliefs, and it was called

1364
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:23,120
Welcome to my Mind and it.
And so I did the first one and I

1365
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:24,720
wasn't done.
I wanted to do another one.

1366
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,640
So Mike and I kind of started
that process and it just kind of

1367
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:30,040
fizzled.
It would have been amazing.

1368
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:34,080
He was the first person, Mark,
that did stuff like that, that

1369
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:36,760
it wasn't bullshit.
You know, I met a lot of people

1370
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,560
in my life where they were like,
yeah, I'm deep, man.

1371
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,640
And I write real deep lyrics.
And I like to, you know, turn

1372
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,520
the black light on and get high
and write deep.

1373
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:49,040
You'd read it and it would just
be like, total horseshit.

1374
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:50,000
Yeah.
Yeah.

1375
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:53,520
He gave me that to read.
And I was like, holy crap, man.

1376
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,720
Now this is someone who
understands what's going on,

1377
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,560
right?
Yeah, I love that thought.

1378
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:05,080
I I was I was in a a workout
class and this it was like a

1379
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,280
spin class.
So I'm spinning and the the lady

1380
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:10,960
does a ton of remixes and
whatever it was in the class.

1381
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:17,360
And she's like, she she dropped
this, this spoken word amazing

1382
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:23,400
anthem about finding the
positive energy in life.

1383
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:27,000
And this guy was from Africa as
the speaker was and just.

1384
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,240
And that, yeah, the beat behind
it was amazing.

1385
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:33,880
But just to it, it really
inspired me a lot that it's OK

1386
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,720
to share your thoughts and your
feelings through spoken word,

1387
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:41,680
especially in a musical context.
And that's when I added that to

1388
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,440
my to my show.
Not to interrupt you, but you're

1389
01:10:44,440 --> 01:10:48,040
on the road until November and
you jump back on after a break

1390
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:49,880
and start up in April.
Yeah.

1391
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:54,480
Like he says, I'm gonna work.
Yeah, baby, I'm coming out there

1392
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,080
to.
See, y'all like, you know, like

1393
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:59,720
you, you got to, you got to have
a stop in Illinois, don't you,

1394
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:01,600
for Mike to check you out or do
we got to put that on?

1395
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,040
There's hey, you don't see a
show that you don't see a place

1396
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:05,720
I need to come to.
Yeah, we're going to have to

1397
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:08,960
fill in a date there because
wow, dude, it's just I'm, I'm

1398
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:10,600
scrolling while you're talking.
I'm like, wait a minute, He

1399
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:14,560
started this in March like
you're I don't have.

1400
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,960
A connection in Illinois yet
that I recall for a show.

1401
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:18,920
OK.
You know, I'm the new guy, so I

1402
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:22,120
got to keep knocking on doors.
Guys like, OK, come on baby, you

1403
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:23,880
can, you can have me.
I'm going to rock it.

1404
01:11:24,440 --> 01:11:26,920
Isn't isn't Lemoyne in Chicago,
Mike?

1405
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:27,760
Yeah.
Is that where?

1406
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,160
Yeah, I bet we could.
So we could probably hook you up

1407
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:32,440
with somebody.
Yeah.

1408
01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:34,400
Yeah.
So we'll let Mike reach out to

1409
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,320
Lemoyne and be like, hey, dude,
we need to have him back on the

1410
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,160
show too, just to see where he's
at.

1411
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:40,520
Yeah.
This is just non-stop, man.

1412
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:45,000
This is just, this is insane.
And you're right, it's like May

1413
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,040
25th you're doing 2 shows.
Did you know that?

1414
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:50,360
Yeah, yeah, I got a noon and
then an evening.

1415
01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:52,840
So Yep.
OK, do you do all your own

1416
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,680
booking and?
Yeah, I have.

1417
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,320
I have a guy who helps me with
some of the outbound, but for

1418
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:03,160
the most part, you know I I'm
out knocking on the doors and.

1419
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,000
I'm.
Working hard to so I want people

1420
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,640
to understand that's a whole
nother job.

1421
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,160
Just so you know, that's a full
time job on to itself.

1422
01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:15,000
It's crazy.
And I find myself, yeah, I'm

1423
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:18,280
actually working, I've been
working on a project to, to

1424
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:21,440
connect with more colleges, Not
not universities, but colleges.

1425
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,280
I I find a lot of great synergy
in a college.

1426
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:26,200
Environment.
Absolutely.

1427
01:12:26,440 --> 01:12:29,280
And I'm, I'm looking to add more
of those.

1428
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,640
So if you guys know anyone out
in the college circuit that

1429
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:32,840
would love to know that for
sure.

1430
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:36,240
Yeah, yeah, because really with
what you who you are in the

1431
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:39,400
whole positive vibe thing, I can
see why college, the college

1432
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,920
atmosphere would totally like
gravitate to you for sure.

1433
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:43,720
I'll tell you a funny story,
Mark.

1434
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:48,920
I actually booked a gig and when
we showed up, the guy said,

1435
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,280
well, I didn't know you were in
the band, you know?

1436
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:55,120
That's how differently I've
conducted myself when I booked

1437
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,560
the gigs versus being the guy
that was the guitar player in

1438
01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:59,280
the band.
I tried to be professional, you

1439
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:01,640
know.
Yeah, that's that's awesome.

1440
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:03,640
I applaud that.
It doesn't surprise me, Mike,

1441
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,840
you and Chris have an amazing
work at the game.

1442
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,120
When you do something, you guys
want to do it right.

1443
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:12,520
I love that about y'all.
Well, well, as to you man, you

1444
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:14,320
know life is like riding a
bicycle, man.

1445
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:15,720
To keep your balance, you got to
keep moving.

1446
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,240
Yeah, I feel yeah, there's a
song in.

1447
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:19,080
There.
That's an Albert, right?

1448
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,080
There, that's an that's an
Albert Einstein quote.

1449
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,160
Yes, it is.
It is and that and that is

1450
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:26,440
their.
That's the basis for my song

1451
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,360
Speed of Light.
It's the relativity and the

1452
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:30,040
bicycle.
There you.

1453
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,400
Go Albert Einstein.
He also said if you can't

1454
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:36,760
explain it to a six year old,
you don't understand it right,

1455
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:38,280
right.
And see, I always love the

1456
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,160
imagination is more important
than knowledge quote.

1457
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:43,440
I thought that was I carried
that with me my entire life.

1458
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:48,480
Yeah, I love that about him.
His musical influences as well.

1459
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:51,800
Just, you know, yeah, a lot, lot
of crazy here.

1460
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:52,720
It's all good, man.
I'm.

1461
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:53,360
I'm.
Good.

1462
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:54,560
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.

1463
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,320
Yeah.
Strive not to be a success, but

1464
01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,760
rather to be a value.
That one's, that one has some

1465
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:01,920
serious meanings right there.
That's a legit quote.

1466
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:05,080
Yeah, that's awesome.
Strive not to be a success, but

1467
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:08,120
rather be a value.
Yeah, I can relate to that

1468
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:09,520
completely.
Lots of things.

1469
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:13,120
That's, you know, that's, that's
why I'm, I'm, I'm supporting

1470
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:17,120
his, his gear right now.
I think there's a lot of great

1471
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:23,800
lessons from studying him.
OK, as a person who their brain

1472
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:27,680
thinks in those realms, where do
you put Elon Musk in brain?

1473
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:29,000
Yeah.
Oh, good question.

1474
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:32,400
I just thought of that.
You know it's a, it's a good

1475
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,800
question, you know, is.
He on that par.

1476
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:42,680
You know, I, I think from a, an
imagination point of view, yes,

1477
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,600
I think he's just imaginative.
He's creative.

1478
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:49,760
He's not lazy.
You know, he, when he sees a

1479
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:53,480
thing, he goes for it, you know,
So he's got a lot of the same

1480
01:14:53,760 --> 01:15:00,200
characteristics.
I don't know that today the

1481
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:05,680
level of of specialization to
advance a field that was present

1482
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:09,360
when Einstein was around is just
insane.

1483
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:13,040
And so I think we, in my mind,
we have to think about genius in

1484
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:16,640
a different way now because I
don't know, I heard a quote,

1485
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:22,480
people in medical school today
are learning 100 times more than

1486
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:26,680
people did 20 years ago.
That's the body of knowledge.

1487
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:29,400
It's just gotten more.
And so I think we have to think

1488
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:33,200
about Genia in a much more broad
sense so that, you know, like

1489
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,760
you said, you know, creativity
is the important thing, right?

1490
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,680
And the ability to think
tangentially and outside the box

1491
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:42,320
and the motivation and the
discipline to, to reach for

1492
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,760
something like that.
I think, you know, Elon Musk has

1493
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:48,400
a phenomenal amount of that.
And so I would say in his own

1494
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,800
way, he's certainly up there in
that, in that category.

1495
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:55,680
Maybe just not in a situation
this, you know, where we are now

1496
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:59,280
that he could advance a field in
some way like like Einstein.

1497
01:15:59,480 --> 01:16:03,520
So you ask a brilliant person a
brilliant question, right?

1498
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:06,200
And you get a brilliant answer
because that is not how I

1499
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:08,000
thought he was going to answer
that question.

1500
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,240
But that was amazing, Mark.
That was a great answer.

1501
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:11,840
Thank you.
Thank you.

1502
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:13,560
It is Mark.
It is Mark Winters, man.

1503
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:18,600
You know, you just, you know,
you can't, you can't just it's

1504
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:21,280
not going to be yes.
It's going to be no, which is

1505
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:22,920
why we love you, man.
Which is why I love you.

1506
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:24,800
You know, that's why this is
conversation.

1507
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,240
It's not an interview.
And, and I made sure Mike

1508
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:29,880
understood that when we started
this thing, when we first start

1509
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:31,200
talking about it, it's never an
interview.

1510
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:33,360
It's a conversation because if
you interview somebody that's

1511
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:35,000
boring, it's dry, it goes
nowhere.

1512
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,720
When you have an organic
conversation and it's real and

1513
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:40,840
it's raw, then things just take
this really cool dynamic,

1514
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:44,720
regardless of who you're talking
to, they're entertaining, you

1515
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,880
know, And then Someone Like You
just, you're entertaining just

1516
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:48,680
because you're entertaining.
So then you take it to a whole

1517
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:50,960
new level with everything we've
been able to talk about.

1518
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:54,720
It's just it makes it that much
more of a fun thing for us to do

1519
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:57,560
as often as we do it.
Listen Mike, you guys have an

1520
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:59,960
amazing show.
You know y'all, y'all are fun.

1521
01:16:59,960 --> 01:17:01,720
Anyway, you bring out the best
in everyone.

1522
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:03,120
I just I think y'all have an
amazing.

1523
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:07,840
Show we described it as like the
hang that we had after the band

1524
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,640
practice or show, you know,
those were some of the most

1525
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:15,200
amazing conversations we had.
Yeah, because we were just

1526
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:17,280
sitting there at we're just
sitting there after, after you

1527
01:17:17,480 --> 01:17:21,520
expend all your creative juices,
you know, then you're just kind

1528
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:25,000
of decompressing and, and
talking about what you just did.

1529
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:27,200
Yeah, real.
Yeah.

1530
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,160
Yeah, and that right.
And that a conversation always

1531
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:31,400
went so many different
directions.

1532
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:33,840
Just, you know, see that chick
in the crowd?

1533
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,680
What the fuck was that about?
And then the next person might

1534
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:42,960
say, are aliens real?
Yep.

1535
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:45,480
Yep.
So if you want to find Mark

1536
01:17:45,480 --> 01:17:47,240
Winters, just go
markwinters.com.

1537
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:48,880
Right.
Or Mark Winters music.com.

1538
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:52,760
Mark Winters.
Music.com.

1539
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:56,240
Dot com yeah, plural, and and we
showed some of his stuff

1540
01:17:56,240 --> 01:18:00,200
earlier.
His his his website has his all

1541
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,360
the music's that the biography's
got the shows, the merch.

1542
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:06,240
See how I can contact him.
You can join the positive vibe

1543
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,120
tribe e-mail group.
I think we've I think I signed

1544
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:09,240
up.
I signed up for something while

1545
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:11,880
we were on the show.
I'll have to sign up to that and

1546
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:15,600
see if it if it Chris and Mike
will do that because we like to,

1547
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,600
we like to promote obviously
everybody that comes on our show

1548
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:22,360
and help you grow your audience.
Thank you so much for that.

1549
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:25,520
That's, that's amazing.
Yeah, I I share some behind the

1550
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:27,920
scenes stuff and, you know, some
thoughts, maybe some poetry

1551
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,120
every now and then on my e-mail
list, so.

1552
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,320
Now you got you got the content
from your last show, right?

1553
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:34,400
Did I?
Did I send that to you?

1554
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:39,480
I got a couple and I got a
shared reel, so I'd love to love

1555
01:18:39,480 --> 01:18:41,400
to continue to get it.
Thank you so much for that.

1556
01:18:41,480 --> 01:18:44,400
Yeah, yeah, I should have
emailed it to you.

1557
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,880
You may have emailed me the the
full content and y'all were

1558
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:51,480
doing some really great clips
too, so I'd love to talk about

1559
01:18:51,480 --> 01:18:55,360
how best to share that with my
community and give you guys a

1560
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:58,560
thank you shout out too.
Yeah, he'll send you the reels

1561
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,280
and then I try and tag you on
Instagram too.

1562
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:02,760
I think I did that the last
time.

1563
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,360
Yeah, that's awesome.
Yeah, so if I didn't send you 10

1564
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:08,640
to 15 reels, I'll get on that
from your first appearance, and

1565
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:10,280
then you can have those for
whatever you want to do.

1566
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:13,160
And then once, once this show
gets to where it's edited down,

1567
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:14,920
I'll do the same thing.
I'm usually really good about

1568
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:17,240
doing it, but sometimes life
gets in my way and I I forget.

1569
01:19:17,480 --> 01:19:21,320
It's possible.
I I don't remember, but you guys

1570
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,320
have been amazing, yeah.
Yeah, you're good.

1571
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:24,400
You don't.
It's all good, man.

1572
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:26,760
No, that's part of why we do
this is to promote.

1573
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:29,720
We always say if we didn't want
to promote you, we would just

1574
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:31,920
talk to each other because we
can do that forever.

1575
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:34,480
You know so.
We might as well take advantage

1576
01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:36,320
of promoting, voting our guests
right?

1577
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:40,080
Yeah, that's, that's awesome.
Yeah, and anybody you come

1578
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,600
across that you find interesting
and fun, especially on your

1579
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:45,160
travels, if you're going to be
on the road forever, dude, if

1580
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:48,920
you run into people that you
think would benefit from this,

1581
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:51,600
you know what we're into.
We like people with, like Chris

1582
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,640
said, cool life resumes.
I'd love to introduce.

1583
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:56,160
I've got some some people in
mind.

1584
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,440
Do I text you or e-mail you?
What's the best way to do that?

1585
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:01,840
Just have them go to the website
thecrystalmicshow.com and then

1586
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:05,120
have them register as a guest.
Because in that that that comes

1587
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:08,600
to you, Mike, it comes to me.
And then I send it to Chris and

1588
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:10,920
he plugged you.
He'll plug that person into a

1589
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:12,320
date.
Yeah, so check.

1590
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:14,160
But do you want to know it's
coming from me or do you want me

1591
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:17,360
to send them your way?
Tell them that you referred

1592
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:18,920
them.
Yeah, OK, they can fill.

1593
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,160
They can fill because that means
something coming from you to

1594
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:22,200
both.
Absolutely.

1595
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:24,760
Exactly.
Just say it's referred by Mark

1596
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:25,920
Winters.
Yeah.

1597
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:27,960
And check your e-mail, Mike,
because I think a couple people

1598
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:31,360
have have have sent registered
because we have a we have a

1599
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:33,360
comedian coming on the show in a
couple weeks, which I know you

1600
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:34,880
love comedians too.
I do.

1601
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:37,680
Is it Dan Rathburn?
It is Dan Rathburn.

1602
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:39,920
Yeah.
I'm a good guesser.

1603
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:41,520
Yeah.
Yeah.

1604
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:42,640
No, it's, you know, it's cool,
man.

1605
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:43,800
He's Buddy Mark.
Matt Ferrell.

1606
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:47,200
He is.
We talked about that, Mark.

1607
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:48,800
Mark, you're, you're freaking
awesome, dude.

1608
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:50,600
I can't wait to see you and meet
you in person.

1609
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:52,000
Amazing.
Going to be amazing.

1610
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:53,560
I can't wait to sing with you
too, Chris.

1611
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:55,400
I got to find a way to do
something with you, Mike, when I

1612
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:57,840
go up to Illinois, maybe we can,
maybe you can sit down on

1613
01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:59,040
electric with me or something.
That'd.

1614
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:00,000
Be great.
There you go.

1615
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:02,480
I would love to go.
That would be awesome.

1616
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:04,800
And then I'll get content for it
too, so we can put on the Chris

1617
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:06,840
and Mike page.
Anything else?

1618
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,160
Anything else you want to share,
Mark, before we wrap this puppy

1619
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:12,400
up?
No, I am thankful for you guys

1620
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,280
having me and I would invite
everyone to add a few extra

1621
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:17,600
protons to your life to.
Make the.

1622
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:20,160
World shine a little more.
Yep, love it.

1623
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:22,640
Yep.
And remember, if you're feeling

1624
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:24,400
suicidal, depressed, don't do
it.

1625
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,320
Go scream in a pillow.
Go journal, go for a run, go

1626
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:27,960
workout, go find somebody to
talk to.

1627
01:21:28,440 --> 01:21:30,840
If you cannot find somebody to
talk to, text 988.

1628
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:33,200
Somebody's standing there
waiting to help you cut off that

1629
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:35,320
ledge.
You will leave a hole in

1630
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:37,960
somebody else's heart, as we can
all three attest to if you don't

1631
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,640
wake up tomorrow, tomorrow is a
better day with you in the

1632
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:43,040
world.
So remember that for a for Mike

1633
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:45,520
and and myself, Chris, and this
is Mark Winters, this is Chris

1634
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:46,960
and Mike.
So we truly appreciate your

1635
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:48,160
time, Mark.
We know it's valuable.

1636
01:21:48,440 --> 01:21:50,640
It's the only commodity we have
that you're running out.

1637
01:21:51,480 --> 01:21:54,240
That being said, love you both
have a great rest of your day

1638
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:57,800
and just have a fantastic tour.
Mark Winters, excited to talk to

1639
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:00,520
you again buddy and see you May
20th at the Echa Tap Room.

1640
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:02,160
Thanks again Mark, I appreciate
it.

1641
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:03,840
Love you guys.
Thank you guys.

1642
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:05,640
Appreciate it man.
Don't leave yet, Mark.

1643
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:09,800
OK, Don't leave.
We don't wanna fly