#185 - Paul "Neanderpaul" Marshall - Legendary Radio DJ

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And we're live.
We are live in a roundabout way.

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Hey, look, it's Paul Marshall.
Hey look man, the legend.

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Right.
Yeah, welcome to the Chris and

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Mike show.
He's Mike.

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But you get the real rye, real,
real raw and organic version

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right here and now.
So without further ado, Mr. Paul

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Marshall is on the show and we
are super excited.

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Paul and I go way back.
He did my spots for me when I

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was advertising on KD, KB, KSLX,
super cute, super cool human,

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amazing rock'n'roll life life
resume as I like to call it.

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So welcome to the show, Paul,
How are you?

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Today, unemployed.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

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In fact, for the first time in
almost 16 years, so it's, it's

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a, it's a weird, a weird place
to be, but I'm between radio

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jobs right now, so I have time
to to take time out.

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And I appreciate you guys giving
me a little bit of a vine to

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come hang out on a Friday
morning.

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Or Friday.
Well, it's very nice to meet

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you, man, and we appreciate you
coming on for sure.

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Absolutely.
So yeah, I'm looking for another

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lab.
OK.

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So everybody this is Paul
Marshall, give them a job.

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So if I remember correctly, the
16 years ago would have been

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from KDKB to KSLX.
Yeah, I got what this time

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around is something, they call
it a riff, which is reduction in

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force.
I didn't get fired because I did

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anything wrong and I didn't
really get fired.

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I got laid off but and I'm
eligible for rehire.

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But, you know, the idea that
they're going to rehire me at

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the same radio station seems a
little bit far fetched, but let.

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Me ask you a years.
Ago, KDKB got bought by a

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different company and they
decided to change the format.

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That's usually how I lose the
job.

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I usually lose a job if if the
radio station changes format, if

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there's a new program director,
you know, program director is

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kind of like having a head
coach.

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They want their own
quarterbacks.

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So that's usually how I lose a
job.

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This time around, it was
budgetary.

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My, my number was on a piece of
paper and they went, we need to

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eliminate that number and lower
the hole.

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Here I am, there you are.
So it was 16 years ago, it was

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KDKB when they switched their
format.

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But thankfully the company
treated me well.

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That company treated me very
well.

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And three weeks later I was on
KSLX.

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And then, you know, a 10 year
run of mornings with with Mark

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and then a year in mid days and
and then the grass seemed like

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it was a little bit greener.
I got presented an offer and an

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opportunity that was, I guess in
hindsight, too good to be true.

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And so I decided to go back to a
radio station that I used to

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work at 20 years ago to help,
quote UN quote, resurrect the

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brand.
But it turns out that didn't

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work out. 18 months later and
stuff happens.

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Yeah, it does.
Stuff does happen.

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Mike, you had a question.
Now do you just attribute that

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to a First off, do you guys have
some sort of union because I'm

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familiar with the reduction in
force language to where you're

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eligible for rehire.
How does that work in your

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business?
I've been, well, the company

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that I worked for just now that
just riffed me, I've worked for

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them four or five times before.
So it's like, it's almost like

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pro sports where you go, you can
go back to the same station

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multiple different times.
It's that it's never personal

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unless you do something wrong,
you know, unless you do

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something like break broadcast
rules, you'd swear or you do

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something you know, and, and for
unforgivable, right, right.

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But there isn't there is a
union.

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There's a union called SAG
AFTRA, which is the Screen

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Actors Guild and the American
Federation of Radio and

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Television Announcers.
And that union is most radio

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stations are non union because
that union is, is sort of

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limited.
If you're a union member, you

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could only work for union
stations.

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It is, it is.
It's a very limiting

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environment.
And I've only, the only time

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I've ever been a member of union
was when I worked for a radio

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station in Boston.
But it wasn't a SAG AFTRA.

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It was actually Teamsters.
They were IBEW.

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So I was technically a teamster
for a couple years, which was

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kind of interesting.
I don't get, I don't get.

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The the pension.
Because I wasn't vested right,

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which is an IBEW Brotherhood of
electrical workers.

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I'm a UAW member so that's why
I'm familiar with that being

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rehired.
What do you attribute the

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downsizing to?
I mean, I think we all know the

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answer.
I just want to hear your version

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of how radio is kind of.
Look, it's a, there's a, there's

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an argument to be made that
selling radio.

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Radio is not like any other
product.

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It's not like, it's not like
beer, it's not like sneakers,

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it's not like cars.
It's not a tangible thing.

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And so in order to sell it, you
have to have a, a certain, a

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particular set of skills, if you
will, where where somebody can

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sell an emotion, a connection,
and that takes a special talent.

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And those that are that don't
possess that talent usually end

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up failing in that.
So there's a phrase that says

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when sales fails, the product
suffers.

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So they're having a hard time
selling radio to people because

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for whatever reason, the
industry doesn't do the greatest

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job of promoting itself as the
original social network.

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Like what you're doing right
now.

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This podcast is, is an attempted
radio broadcast.

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Oh, yeah, absolutely.
That's what you guys are doing.

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It's it's you don't, you don't
have a job in radio.

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You're not on a radio station
with 100,000 Watt transmitter.

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So you have figured out a way to
put together a show, put it on

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on the Internet where there are
9 million podcasts.

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The problem is 8,999,999 suck.
There are only there's only a

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handful of podcasts that are
worth going.

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You know that worth listening
to, right?

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But they're all trying to be
radio shows and the radio

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industry, for whatever reason,
is talking about how great

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podcasting is and how great the
content is, yet they don't know

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how to sell it.
They don't know how to they're.

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So it's it's really a sales
issue more than anything else.

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Interesting, interesting.
Monetizing, monetizing the

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content, I think is.
Is so there's a disconnect

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there, right?
Is that what you're saying?

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I think so, but again, again, I
don't.

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I don't work in sales, so I
don't.

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I just ask you, I'm just asking
your opinion because you've been

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in the business 40 years, you
know, you definitely have an

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inside view of, and I want to
ask you this question too, is

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what was radio like when that
was the only medium and you guys

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had all the power, right?
You guys were the stars back in

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the day.
It's still no, it's here's

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that's this is a great example
of the radio industry failing to

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acknowledge what it is.
Over 90% of Americans still

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listen to the radio every week.
Any business, any organization,

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any corporation, any product
that has 90% saturation in

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America will be thrilled.
Should be able to print money.

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I agree with that, but there was
a time when that was the only

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option too, right?
Well, yeah, that was back in the

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20s.
I mean, you know, the once the

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radio has been dying since
television, and then cable

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television and then the PCR and
then the Internet and then like

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whatever other, and then the
Xbox and then Spotify and then

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and for all these things, radio
has been dying.

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And yet still, after all of
those proclaimed deaths, it's

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still here, you know, 100 years.
Later it's.

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Still here, but it just does a
terrible job of, of, of pounding

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its chest and talking about how
it is the first social network

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when somebody dies.
When Ozzy died, first thing you

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did was go to the radio station.
I, I don't care if the Internet

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is the place that you wanted to
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You went to the radio station to
hear the news immediately

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because it's the most immediate
social network.

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It's the most immediate
interpersonal social network.

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You can read stuff on on on a
screen on the Internet.

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Yeah, actually I went to your
page because you're really good

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at announcing when people.
Die because that's my job.

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Sure, right.
So it's my job to be connected,

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to be the conduit through which
people get their information

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from the music industry to to
you.

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So you had said something
earlier off Mike's question and,

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and I think you're brilliant at
this.

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I don't know if I'm going to,
I'm going to, I don't know if

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I'm going to state it right
again.

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But you talked about how you're
connecting and you're, you're

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building the stories with the
listeners, things like that.

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Like, I gravitated towards your
show on KDK because number one

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was afternoons and being in real
estate, Katie KB was always on

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my office, in my in my office.
So all the little things you

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would do.
Like the?

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Record stuff and you're welcome.
But that that connected, that

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resonated.
So you know, I had all the

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stations that I could advertise
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I started with with KDKKUPD
overnights when Pratt was still

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there.
But then I gravitated towards

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KDKB because I really liked your
afternoon drive stuff and how

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you were or not afternoon drives
your mid days.

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But I, I enjoyed that to the
extent that some of the things

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that you did on the show, then I
ended up, I would take Jake, I

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told you that before Jake and I
would go to see your records and

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look for records and shit just
based on the fact that that was

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something you shared and did and
your love for vinyl and the

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album covers.
And Mike and I have talked about

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before this, do you know, they
don't make music like they used

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to as far as the covers and the
albums and artwork and things

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like that.
But that was something that

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connected with me, and I'm sure
it also connected with thousands

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and thousands of our listeners
in Arizona because that's you.

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You're.
Reinforcing my point, right?

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Yeah, and here's why I didn't.
You're always approaching.

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I didn't mean to diss radio on
any level, but I must be unique

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in that.
Paul, I couldn't tell you the

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last time I turned on a radio
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And the way I know you is
because when I moved back to

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Illinois, it was 2010 when I got
my current job.

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And for me, I remembered KSLXKD
KB.

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So I would turn you on in the
afternoon because I was working

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a 12 hour shift and that was my
only option back then because

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Spotify wasn't around.
There wasn't a music platform

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for me to go to for music.
Radio was still it.

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That's my point.
And there's a lot of people in

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my boat who, like Chris said,
would go to you in the 90s or

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somebody who was there at the
time to find out what is the

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latest music, Who do I go listen
to?

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Why do you like it?
And that meant something to me

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that you liked it right back
then, credibility, you guys were

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the stars, that was.
My point?

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Credibility.
Absolutely.

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I'm not saying it's not still
there.

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My mother listens to the radio
every day.

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You know, there's, like you
said, there's 90% of Americans

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still do.
I'm in that 10%.

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So I've been away from it for so
long.

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There was no disrespect there
meant at all, man.

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Not at all.
I think what, what you're, what

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you're pointing out is what is
a, what is a public

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misperception?
And then, then I just, I would

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ask you the question, why don't
you listen anymore?

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Because I can't stand
commercials.

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You listen.
You listen through.

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You'll listen through the
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If you like what you're
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when you're watching the Super
Bowl, I would, yeah.

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If you like found.
A new radio station?

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I would turn you on to find out
what you're listening to.

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Absolutely.
If you like the product, you'll

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listen through something and,
and, and even even with a radio

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station, like there's no such
thing as a perfect radio

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station.
If you're, you know every,

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there's a, a programming
philosophy that every quarter

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hour, every 15 minutes should be
a representation of all the

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textures and and styles of music
that your radio station plays.

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But everybody knows, not
everybody loves every song that

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your radio stations playing.
They're not going to do it.

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What they do is they trust that
if they hear 5 songs and that

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third song is a song they don't
necessarily like, well, they

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just heard two songs they like
and they know they're going to

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like the next song.
So they're willing to listen

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through.
And that happens with every

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listener.
That's every song loses a

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certain percentage of listeners.
But if you, if you build brand

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loyalty, look, not everybody
likes every play in football,

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but you like the team.
Not everybody likes the fact

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that if it's third and long,
sometimes a team will just do a

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draw up the middle.
Now, that draw is only going to

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go for four or five yards.
It's going to get stuffed and

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you're going to punt.
But what if it doesn't?

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Yeah, what if it doesn't?
And that's what happens when a

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new music, when new music comes
on the radio.

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I just played you Black Sabbath.
I just played you U2.

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And now I've got a new song from
so And so chances are it's not

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going to be around in six
months.

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But what if it does?
Yeah.

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What if it becomes the next big
thing?

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And you trust me to tell you
about that?

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And And I put my stamp of
approval on it.

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And then if I'm lucky enough to
run into Steven Tyler from

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Aerosmith and he talks to me
like a peer and now I'm now I

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become basically that again.
I mentioned it before, the

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conduit through which they get
their message to you.

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I get credibility.
You get a great song or a great

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experience or a great story, and
Steven Tyler gets gets exposure

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for his new music.
Everybody wins.

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It's really a communal thing.
You can get music anywhere.

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You can get music anywhere you
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That song is going to be the
song is going to be the song.

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You can't get what comes between
the music and that connection

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anywhere else.
And those that are really good,

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excuse me, I'm making that
connection, are the ones that

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are going to be around.
Which is why you got riffed,

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which is, but, but that's
surprising why you got riffed

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because because you do that man,
you're not just like a like

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when, when, when I went to KDKB
and you recorded my spot.

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I, I, I left that thinking.
He's fucking cool guy.

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Like he's approachable.
He's not he's not this arrogant,

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so narcissistic asshole.
You know I'm wasting his time.

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You you were truly appreciative
of me choosing you.

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Yeah.
And hi, because I hired you

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essentially to to run my to
record my spot.

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That was that was that to me was
cool.

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And had you not been who you
were, I don't think I ever would

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went back and continue to do it
because other stations I was on

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and I didn't get that vibe.
But you were just so like just

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I'm, I'm.
Paul.

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You know, radio is cool.
And yeah.

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Radio is the please love me
business.

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It's it's politics without being
political.

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It's politics.
It's a you're voting every day

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with whatever.
If you hit the preset, you're

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voting every day to choose to
listen to my show.

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And so it's incumbent upon me.
Nobody wants to turn on the

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radio and be bummed out.
Nobody wants to, wants to.

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Yeah, I mean, so, so I stay away
from politics because it doesn't

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work.
I try to make yeah, I try to do

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everything universally.
If it's funny, it's funny.

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If it's if it's meaningful from
a musical standpoint, then it's

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meaningful from a musical
standpoint.

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And I'm fortunate enough that
I've, for whatever reason, I

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have been able to tap into the
music fan because I am a fan.

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If you look behind me, you can
only see a little part of it.

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That's part of A6000 CD library
of music.

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I still, it's the most important
thing in my life.

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In fact, I've talked to some
friends about if I have to move,

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I'm like, oh boy, what am I
going to do with all my CDs?

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I'm going to pack them up.
I'm going to put them in boxes

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and I'm going to move them and
take them with me.

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Even though I have it all
digitized, I have it all on a

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hard drive.
I still my music still matters

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and it matters to a lot of
people.

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Yeah.
Well, and that came through in

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your show for sure.
I'm sorry.

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Yeah, that came through in your
show.

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You know, that's one of the
reasons that I've listened was

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it was very obvious very quickly
that you were as big a fan of

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music as anybody, and that's why
you pursued life, you know, as a

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DJ and hopefully doing the kind
of music that you like.

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That seemed to be a passion for
people back then.

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And to Chris's point, you guys
were the rock stars.

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You know, when you met a DJ for
sure in the 80s and 90s, it was

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like meeting somebody
unattainable as much as the

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musician themselves.
It's like, hey, that's a guy who

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told me you go listen to
Aerosmith.

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Yeah, you're the gatekeeper.
Like when the bands would come

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to the studio, like, you know,
you got to sit down with these

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bands and interview them and
talk to them and be this.

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That was cool, you know.
Yeah, I think it's important

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people could do it.
It's important to measure that.

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I realize that you're not, you
know, those that can do those

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that can't do radio.
You know.

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Those guys are those guys are,
are musicians and they're,

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they're outstanding with what
they do.

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But let's not put yourself and
you've, you know, there are some

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personalities, radio
personalities who try to elevate

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themselves above the audience
and like they're some sort of

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Messiah standing on the mountain
on top, trying to reach down to

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the quiet, to the to the people.
And I'd I've never found that to

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be effective.
I think the only difference

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between you and me is I have
this microphone and there are

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speakers and and that's really
I, I found that that's just the

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best way to go because there but
for a budgetary decision,

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there's no difference between
you and me.

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Right, sure.
Oh yeah.

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Understood.
Let's talk about your your long

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list of of rock rock'n'roll
icons you've met over the years.

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What was your?
And I know you're going to talk

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Lemmy because you love Lemmy.
What was your favorite made to

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like?
Look, what was your favorite?

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Like if you if you had the
categorize, just one interview,

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one connection you made with
just a musician that you can

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Rockstar, not of Rockstar.
Everybody's definition that's

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different.
But what was the one

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conversation you had with
somebody in that industry that

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you just sat back and like,
like, wow, like I just talked to

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that person.
Like I just had a conversation

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with him.
I would say, I would say and,

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and, and I've had an opportunity
to talk to just about anybody

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that I'd want to.
I haven't met a Beatle yet, and

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I haven't met a member of The
Rolling Stones yet, and I

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haven't met a.
Member of Shocking.

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Yet but that's yeah, those are
the three that that I haven't

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you know, I haven't met, but
I've I've I spoke to Jimmy Page

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and that was that was humbling.
And and I was stupid enough to

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ask Jimmy Page.
I said and and it was just it

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was just me being an idiot.
I said, Jimmy, you know, we all

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know there's there's a lady who
knows all that glitters is gold

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with what word can she get what
she came for?

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And and he just, he paused for a
second and he says, I don't know

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you.
You'd have to ask for Robert

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that I don't mess with his
lyrics and he doesn't mess with

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me guitars.
And that was it.

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I was like, I was like, it was
like, it was a game show

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question.
And then as I sat back after I

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said it, I said, did you just
ask Jimmy Page a game show

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question?
What's wrong with you?

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But I had to because, because
for those that heard that

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conversation, that was, Oh my
God, what did he just do?

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And it was a memorable part of
it.

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And Jimmy wasn't offended by it.
It was stupid.

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I've asked.
I've asked Ozzy Osbourne if he

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ever drops the towel when he
gets out of the shower and asks

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Sharon if his ass looks fat.
What else you say to that?

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You got you got frying pens in
the head.

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Yeah.
So he was he but they but like,

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if you get into a conversation
with these guys and treat them

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like human beings, they will
treat you like human beings

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back.
So I would say I was.

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Humbled by the opportunity to
talk to Jimmy Page.

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But then I've had the other, you
know, other times where I've

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I've spoken to big name rock
stars and they're, you know, and

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they're just, they're just
inviting and and welcoming and

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it, and it doesn't feel like it
doesn't feel like I'm talking to

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a legend, you know, which is
which is kind of interesting to

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me when.
They treat you.

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When they treat you like a peer
instead of like when they know

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you know your stuff.
I think that's the the big issue

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is if you sit down with somebody
and they know you don't know

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what you're talking about, the
interview goes bad real quick.

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I can see absolutely.
You know, so if they know you

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know what you're talking about,
it loosens them up, it relaxes

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them.
They know that you're not going

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to blind side them and ask them
something stupid like with what

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word can she get what she came
for.

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Yeah, yeah.
Without naming any names, what

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are the worst?
What's the worst thing that ever

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happened in an interview?
Oh, that's a good question.

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You can name names if you want.
Most people don't want to, but I

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don't care about the name.
What do you think is the worst

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thing that ever happened in your
radio career, as far as maybe

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somebody just wasn't willing to
do it or no?

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Questions are the worst when
they just go yes.

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See, that's why we don't
interview man, because the the

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interviews are so can be so 1
sided and they're dull and they

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just you have that dead stop and
then just like I think the word.

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I think there are situations
where you got look, if you don't

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want to be there, don't be
there.

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There was a well known, there
was a well known sports

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interviewer that and, and I
won't mention their name, but

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they had a very famous football
player on and they asked, they

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got about two questions into the
interview and they recognized

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that the the football player
didn't want to be there.

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So they just cut the interview
off Nice.

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They're like, all right, well,
it's good to talk to you, see

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you later.
And that was it.

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They just kicked him out of the
studio.

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The weirdest moment that I had
in a situation like that where

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things went wrong was actually
during a live event in Memphis,

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TN.
There was a band called Cool for

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August.
You know who they are.

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I've heard the name.
Yeah, yeah.

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But there's there's a reason why
they're not still around.

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OK.
So cool for August are on stage

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and they're it's at a place
called the new Daisy Theatre on

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Beale Street in Memphis and
they're not going it's not going

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over well.
They're a band that you know,

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the line up of the band was was
like 7 dust, Jimmy's Chicken

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Shack, Foo Manchu.
Like these bands were all

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significantly heavier than cool
for.

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August, I remember all those
names.

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Right.
Yeah, so the cool for August

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guys are not doing well.
And, and somebody, somebody

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yells in the middle, you know,
in between songs, you suck.

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And of course the lead singer
goes over to the microphone and

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goes, you know what, I might
suck, but I don't have to go

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back to a $5.00 an hour job
tomorrow.

448
00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:11,200
Well, the crowd did not react
well to the Ouch.

449
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,560
So I had to walk on the stage
and grab a microphone and calm

450
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:21,160
the crowd down and, and the
crowd finally calm down.

451
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,080
I'm like, look, these guys are
here, it's a charity event,

452
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,040
blah, blah, blah, blah.
Christmas time, you know, I was

453
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,560
trying to do everything I could.
Trying to get background.

454
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,560
And and the lead singer, as
everything calms down, I turn it

455
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:33,560
with the lead singer.
Go, go ahead.

456
00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:36,560
So the guy goes up to the
microphone and he goes F you

457
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,920
Memphis.
Oh, Jesus.

458
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,160
And so I grabbed the mic off the
side of the stage again.

459
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,440
I go no man, F you go ahead
throw it.

460
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,840
And everybody how held to the
stage with whatever they had in

461
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,200
their hands and it and it was
and it went bad.

462
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,680
In hindsight, I shouldn't have
done that, but in the end I had

463
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:56,240
to do that.
I.

464
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,640
Had.
To take up the audience because

465
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:03,160
the audience is what matters.
When that band leaves, that band

466
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,560
leaves and goes to the next
town.

467
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,160
Those people that paid hard
earned money, see that band who

468
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,520
just disrespected them like
that, those people stay.

469
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,640
And those are the people that
listen everyday.

470
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,880
And that's I work for the
audience.

471
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,600
Yeah, I work for the radio
station, obviously, but my job

472
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,600
is to be an advocate for the
audience.

473
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,080
And I'm just, I'll be damned if
I'm going to let some band

474
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,600
badmouth the people that that
worked hard, that might have

475
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,800
worked at a $5.00 an hour job or
whatever it was and spent that

476
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,440
$5.00 an hour to go see your
band.

477
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,240
So that was probably the thing
that that went wrong the most

478
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,240
the the the probably the worst
thing that ever happened.

479
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,920
OK, so here's a here's a total,
a total ADHD moment.

480
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,800
I I have to give a shout out
because we have a mutual friend

481
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,720
on Facebook.
He's been on our show, I think

482
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,920
two or three times.
Super cool human, amazing little

483
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,360
life resume.
Don Warnock says hello from

484
00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:58,120
Kansas.
City On's in Kansas City.

485
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:03,280
Yeah, and he said also tell him
Chuck Armstrong said hi.

486
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,080
F him up, Chuck.
And he said you'll get it.

487
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,400
Yeah, Chuck was Chuck is.
He's a high up in a company

488
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,800
called Town Square Media.
Now he hosts a radio show called

489
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,720
Loudwire Nights for a company
called Town Square Media.

490
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,800
Chuck was Chuck built my
website.

491
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,840
He was a guy that worked part
time for us in Kansas City and

492
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,760
and is one of the one of the
nicest human beings on the face

493
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,240
of the earth, a solid human
being.

494
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,440
He and his wife are are good
people and that's good.

495
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,720
So tell Don to tell Chuck I said
hello.

496
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,040
You just did right there.
You just did right there.

497
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,720
So website is your website
neanderthal.com?

498
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,240
It is cool.
It is.

499
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,120
Yeah.
Up there, there are, there are

500
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,160
decades worth of audio.
I mean, things that I've done,

501
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,280
I've done talk radio, I've done
sports radio, I've worked for

502
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,920
some of the best rock stations
in America, some of which are

503
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,280
not even there anymore.
There it.

504
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,240
Goes boys and girls
neanderthal.com I.

505
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:01,080
Was checking it out this
morning.

506
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,960
There's audio, there's video up
there.

507
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,560
There are plenty of things for
people to check out if they

508
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,120
would like to cool.
You know, mostly it's mostly

509
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:12,720
audio clips from different radio
stations that I work for and,

510
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,080
and most recently, KSOXI didn't
put anything up.

511
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,000
I don't have much up from the
current radio station that that

512
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,520
I worked for because I didn't
expect to get fired, so I didn't

513
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,280
have a lot of audio with me.
Right, right.

514
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,280
I do have some audio, but it's
it's not as interesting as the

515
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,360
other things that you might you
might find on the page.

516
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:39,840
Yeah, the video has got you'll
have interviews with cool with

517
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,120
Metallica, Sublime.
We played when we played with

518
00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:46,000
Randy Jackson from Zebra.
I remember that.

519
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,680
Yeah, a lot of video, Zebra.
I remember that.

520
00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:52,240
So yeah, a lot of places, you
know a lot of things for you to

521
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,720
waste time on on my web page.
So, so you taught me Y&T was

522
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,800
yesterday and today.
Just a shout out for the

523
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,960
knowledge because we had talked
about Y&T and you're like, you

524
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,160
know, their name was originally
yesterday and today I'm like, no

525
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,440
shit, that one.
So you actually, yeah, another

526
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,680
fun thing, another little fun
story about Neanderthal you had

527
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,320
played little fucking ignorance
of Guns and Roses debut album.

528
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,440
I didn't realize Rocket Queen
was on that album because I

529
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,760
never made it to it when it was
the cassette era.

530
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,080
So you played that, You played
that one day on the show and I

531
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,040
called you and thinking, oh, I
got Paul, man.

532
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,120
I'm like, dude, Rocket Queen's
not on Appetite, it's on Chinese

533
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:28,480
for Daukashi.
You fucking shredded me.

534
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,680
Which was I would have but it.
Was but it was a fun shred.

535
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,800
Because you know, we had we had
something in common, but that

536
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,000
was, you know, that was fun
because I really, I was like,

537
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,360
holy shit, he's right.
And then obviously you're right

538
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:43,360
because, you know, but it was
just me thinking I was oh, I got

539
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:45,000
I got I caught Paul on
something.

540
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,320
You know what's how was Steven
Piercey?

541
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,200
I've been is Steven Piercey a
good guy?

542
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,760
Steven's.
He's dry.

543
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,920
OK, You know, I could see that.
I wouldn't exactly.

544
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,760
Say he is gregarious and
outgoing, but he's certainly not

545
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,080
off putting either.
He's just he's he's a, he's a

546
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,520
pro.
He was there to do business, to

547
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,360
sell his book.
And I found him to be, I found

548
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:11,160
him to be interesting.
But that was one of the problems

549
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,160
with Rat is Rat was a great
band, but they weren't very

550
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,720
interesting, right?
They're not.

551
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:17,240
Character.
Yeah.

552
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:19,960
There was no.
Danger there back then.

553
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,720
No, yeah, they were.
They were really good.

554
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,960
Songs, they were really good
songs, but there's nothing there

555
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,720
was no Tommy Lee in Rat.
There's no there's no David Lee

556
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,080
Roth in in Rat.
They were not very.

557
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,200
Let me ask you this, Paul.
You could grab a hold on.

558
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,120
Let me ask you this because I.
I see that you were a guitar

559
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:39,120
player.
I played guitar for 40 years.

560
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,360
That's my Forte for sure.
What do you think about It was

561
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,080
about Warren De Martini.
He he wrote arguably one of the

562
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:52,040
hardest and best licks or riffs
in the history with Lay It Down,

563
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,240
but he never.
I agree with you.

564
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,000
He wasn't flashy enough to be an
Eddie Van Halen or a Randy

565
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,760
Rhodes, but he was technically
good enough for sure.

566
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,400
I think the.
The thing about Warren de

567
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,640
Martini and, and this is
something I was just talking to

568
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,120
a buddy of John, my buddy John
in New York about his.

569
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:14,800
Tone his guitar.
Tone was that AD AM P1 guitar

570
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:22,560
processor done tuned to the
maximum tuned to to only he and

571
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,400
George Lynch had that tone.
That's a good.

572
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,240
Comparison.
No, they, well, they they had a

573
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,520
very.
Very similar tone.

574
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,520
They play very similarly and
they write very similar riffs.

575
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,520
But I think that that Warren,
he's also an introvert.

576
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,440
Warren's not.
He's not a flashy.

577
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,720
You know, the extrovert in that
band was Robin Crosby.

578
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,880
For all intents and purposes,
absolutely.

579
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,040
And.
And so Warren, I think, was a

580
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,400
guitar nerd.
I think he was nerd like Eddie

581
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,840
Van Halen, who sat in his room
in the corner and just played.

582
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,040
I don't think he was ever
comfortable being on stage and

583
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,200
being Warren De Martini.
And we see it now.

584
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,240
I mean, he's playing with Steven
again and it's he's almost like

585
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,960
a reluctant Guitar Hero.
Agreed.

586
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,760
But but wrote.
I mean look, RAT wrote better

587
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,600
songs than a lot of their peers.
I saw them live and they.

588
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,800
They kicked ass live man.
Well, and a lot of that too by

589
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,480
the.
Way their producer Beau Hill

590
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,080
gave them a tone.
There was a there were certain

591
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:27,360
producers that you know, Mutt
Lange and and who's the guy that

592
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,480
was Spencer Proffer, who was
Quiet Riot's producer.

593
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,080
There are certain guys they all
have a sound.

594
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,000
They have a.
Sound.

595
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,880
A certain sound.
Roy Thomas Baker, who produced

596
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,200
Queen and the Cars and the
Darkness.

597
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,680
There was a certain sound and Bo
Hill got this unique sound out

598
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:47,160
of Rat that was very compressed
and very processed and he liked

599
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,880
to use Simmons drums, a lot of
electric drums in their mix.

600
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,280
Only two bands sounded like
that, Rat and Kicks and and if

601
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,480
you look at them both, it was
because they were both produced

602
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,480
by a guy named O Hill.
I saw them live.

603
00:30:58,480 --> 00:30:59,680
Too.
And they kicked ass too.

604
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,080
I'll give both those bands
credit.

605
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,360
They could pull off those
produced albums live it it

606
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,000
really sounded good.
I saw Rat on the City to City

607
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,160
tour, so it would have been like
1988 and they were in their

608
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,960
prime, man.
Yeah, they were again, Rat.

609
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,960
Was Rat.
If you look down the list of

610
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,760
greatest hits on their albums,
their songs are every bit as

611
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,240
good as bands that did that,
that achieved more that I agree

612
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,160
with.
You more, Yeah.

613
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,240
Rat was Rat was never.
Never a headlining arena.

614
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,280
Headlining band.
That was huge.

615
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,120
They, you know, they, they could
fill hockey arenas, but they

616
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,560
were never a stadium band.
There were some bands, right,

617
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,560
That were lesser bands who shall
remain nameless.

618
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,400
That ended up as stadium bands,
right?

619
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:43,920
Sure.
Agreed.

620
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:45,440
Well.
Like Chris said, I.

621
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,880
Agree with him.
Kicks never even attained the

622
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,400
status of Rat.
They opened up for Rat When I

623
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,440
saw a Rat, that's how I saw them
both together.

624
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,880
And I'd love Kicks was, yeah,
they had that bluesy kind of

625
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,120
ACDC, but with a glam twist to
it.

626
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,000
You know, they put funk, they
had funk in there.

627
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,240
Yeah, there you go.
Good work.

628
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,400
Yes, for sure.
Yeah, they never thought about

629
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,280
that angle.
The same kind of funk that.

630
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,880
Electric Boys and Extreme and a
couple of other bands of that

631
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,600
era.
It was a swing.

632
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:14,960
It was a funk swing.
It was.

633
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,480
It had had some stank on it,
yeah.

634
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,120
And and.
And you got to have some stank

635
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,440
on the music to make it work,
otherwise it's just too

636
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,200
homogenized to to bland.
Even ACDC has a.

637
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,800
Swing to it.
Well, ACDC is the perfect.

638
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,800
Band, yeah, because they write
songs that that riff for guys

639
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,040
and groove for girls.
You don't knew how to swing

640
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,040
that.
Even stuff like Riff.

641
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,720
Raff, You Can Dance to it.
Yeah, yes, good point.

642
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,400
So.
That's they They.

643
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,240
Found the balance between riff
and groove.

644
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:53,800
And and that's what I love
about.

645
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,520
Them.
I don't know many people that

646
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,320
don't like ACDC, even they
might.

647
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,800
They might not call themselves
an ACDC fan, but there's a

648
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,040
reason why you hear back in
black at every football game.

649
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,720
That's true.
Makes you want to move.

650
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,400
That's fantastic.
So yeah, I still love music.

651
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,440
What are some other bands that.
Came out of that era because

652
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,320
obviously, you know, we're all
about the same age.

653
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,560
I'm guessing we all know Poison
and Mötley Crüe and the bands

654
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,600
that, like you said, some of
them maybe arguably didn't

655
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,400
deserve the success of other
bands.

656
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,040
What are some bands out of the
80s that people might have

657
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,920
forgot that you loved?
Badlands.

658
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,480
Thank you.
I'm so.

659
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,280
Glad you said that, Paul.
I bought my Gibson Gold.

660
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,560
Top from Greg chasing a bizarre
guitar.

661
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:47,160
Yeah, Greg's a good dude.
Badlands should have been

662
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,840
something.
God, that album, that first.

663
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,760
Album is perfection.
Blue Murder.

664
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,360
Tora Tora.
Spread Eagle.

665
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:04,160
Jeez, Helix.
He's a pretty good band out of

666
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,920
Canada, hey.
I could look black and blue was

667
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:07,800
a pretty.
Good man.

668
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,280
Back in blue.
Yeah, Tora.

669
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,320
Tora was their their hit.
Their hit was put on my walking

670
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,600
shoes or something.
Was that right?

671
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:14,880
You know, walking shoes?
Yeah.

672
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,159
Phantom.
Water with their two biggest

673
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:17,280
hits.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

674
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,719
I'm looking in my rack.
Here I can tell you, Yeah.

675
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:24,800
Look at your rack, man.
Nice rack dude.

676
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,000
Fast way.
Yeah.

677
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:28,040
Oh yeah.
Yeah.

678
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,159
Fast Eddie Clark, Yeah.
Fast way.

679
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,280
Good band.
I mean, Tesla.

680
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:35,280
Tesla.
Tesla.

681
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,199
Mechanical saw Mechanical
restaurants.

682
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:40,320
By far one of my favorite albums
all time Modern day Cowboy.

683
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,440
When I heard that opening my
This is this.

684
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,600
Yeah, that.
Opening to modern day.

685
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,320
Cowboy is so cool.
Yeah, Tesla's another.

686
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,679
One of those bands that because
they didn't have, they didn't

687
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:57,000
have the look a character that
that sort of that was over the

688
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,320
top.
All they did was write good

689
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,200
music, and that should have been
enough.

690
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,240
And they still write good music.
They're still out there playing

691
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:09,400
and and and and fantastic band.
But, you know, bands like, look,

692
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,560
people don't realize that
Tesla's Mechanical Resonance

693
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,880
came out like a couple weeks
before Appetite for Destruction.

694
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,960
And if Appetite for Destruction
hadn't become what it became,

695
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,480
Mechanical Resonance might have
been a much bigger album.

696
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,320
Yeah, I agree with that.
But there was.

697
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,360
A period of time, you know,
there's, there's it was this

698
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,880
period of like 6 months where
just phenomenal bands released

699
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,160
phenomenal music.
Yeah.

700
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,400
And there's only room for X
amount.

701
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,320
You know, there's so much.
That's why I have so much music

702
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:37,200
is because there's only room for
X amount.

703
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,360
You can only play 12 songs in an
hour on the radio.

704
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,320
Oh, that's it.
That's why you never played

705
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,400
Estranged.
For me, that explains it right

706
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,240
there.
Because it's it's.

707
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:47,960
Too long.
I kept.

708
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,080
I kept Mike.
Doesn't know.

709
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,600
I kept every time we would talk,
I'd call on the radio and just

710
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,360
bullshit with him.
I'd keep do play as strange.

711
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:54,960
She's like, I can't play as
strange man.

712
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,640
It's too long.
It's too long.

713
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,400
It's 9 minutes.
Long man, you can't.

714
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,080
It's like, well, people play.
Sweet on Alabama.

715
00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:03,520
That's a fucking long sound.
Not not 9.

716
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,000
Minutes long.
You're thinking of free bird.

717
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,520
Free bird is 13 Free bird.
Yeah.

718
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:07,320
Free bird.
There you.

719
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:07,760
Go.
My bad.

720
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:08,840
Free bird.
Free bird.

721
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,240
Yeah, but free bird.
Free Bird and a Strange are two

722
00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:13,880
different universes.
I know, I know.

723
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,120
I know Free Bird is one of the
greatest.

724
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,280
Songs of all time A strange It's
just a good Guns and Roses song,

725
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:21,680
dude.
It's a great Guns.

726
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,040
And Roses song, man, it's a good
Guns and Roses song.

727
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,480
Yeah, yeah, it's one of my
favorites.

728
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:26,840
It is one of.
My actually it's one of my

729
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,000
favorites.
Yeah, that's the problem.

730
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,440
Radio.
It's one of my favorite guitar

731
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,800
solos for sure.
Yeah, yeah, it's one of the

732
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,840
problems.
With with radio, with radio, you

733
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,640
know, and being on the radio,
you don't get a chance to play a

734
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,240
lot of times your favorite
music.

735
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,280
Because if I were playing just
my favorite music, you'd be it'd

736
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,040
be an audience of one.
Like for every one person that

737
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,080
wants to hear it.
Strange.

738
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,880
There are thousands that would
rather hit Paradise City again.

739
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,480
Yeah, we had talked about that
before.

740
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:57,680
Yeah.
One of our.

741
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,000
Conversations over the years, I
had asked you, I was asked we I

742
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,000
asked you about the songs that
are chosen and played because

743
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,160
there's so many other songs
these artists have that could be

744
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,880
bigger, better songs.
But because of the box that the

745
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,960
radio's kind of stuck in as far
as what what brings a listener

746
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,480
in and keeps them coming back.
Are those Paradise City as

747
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,400
opposed to the strange?
Well, Paradise City is a better.

748
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,160
Song than a strange right but
I'm just I was trying to.

749
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,680
Think of an example between, you
know, you have a band that has

750
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,160
four or five hits.
You're going to you're going to

751
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,600
constant the radio station.
You told me you just you're

752
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,680
playing the ones that keep
people coming back because you

753
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,200
have to.
Well, it's it's like.

754
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:39,960
You should do.
The the weekend stuff, which is

755
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,760
really cool, A-Z, you know, and
you'd get you'd kind of deep

756
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,040
dive into stuff.
But I think that's where the

757
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,520
conversation began at that at
one of those weekends, you guys

758
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,200
were doing that because I was
like, why don't you play these

759
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:50,880
songs from these artists?
You play the same thing.

760
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,440
It's A-Z, but you have all these
other things.

761
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,000
And that's kind of where you
educated me on how you have to

762
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,840
choose music because yeah, go
ahead.

763
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,800
Most people don't want to be.
Challenged most people don't

764
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,040
want to be educated.
They want they don't want to be.

765
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,720
They don't want to be and it's
it sounds like I'm being

766
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:10,680
condescending and it's not it.
They just don't want to be

767
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:16,200
challenged.
Given a choice between I don't

768
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,360
know, I'll just use a a classic
rock example, Hitch a Ride from

769
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,400
Boston, which is my favorite
song on that album.

770
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,600
Give it a choice between Hitch a
ride or more than a feeling.

771
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:27,680
People will choose more than a
feeling 10 times out of 10,

772
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,200
right They?
Just do it's.

773
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,640
Unless they're me and then I'm.
Listening to Hitch a ride with

774
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:33,840
you?
Yeah, but that.

775
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,000
But that's OK.
But that's a that's a an extreme

776
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,440
minority agree.
I know I'm into.

777
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,560
Minority.
You're into minority curses, and

778
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:47,160
we know that, but how many?
I I guess I agree with what

779
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,800
you're saying.
There's not enough of us out

780
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,880
there to justify that ever,
right?

781
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,840
There's a reason why.
McDonald's is everywhere.

782
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:57,640
Sure it's not a great hamburger.
I was going to say, watch any.

783
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,760
Modern day sitcom and that's all
you have to know 'cause I can't

784
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,400
stomach any of them it meets.
Brand expectations.

785
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,560
You know what you're going to
get when you go to Starbucks.

786
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,280
You know what you're going to
get when you go to McDonald's.

787
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,000
You don't go to McDonald's for
pizza, Sure.

788
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,840
And so if I'm sitting on the
radio at, at your local rock

789
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,320
station and I have a choice of
playing Back in Black Paradise

790
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:27,880
City, I don't know, Black Dog
from Led Zeppelin or Dreams in

791
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,640
the Dark from Badlands, Dreams
in the Dark is not going to make

792
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,000
the cut.
There are three or four other

793
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,960
songs that are going to you're
trying to, to attract the

794
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,840
biggest audience possible and
the biggest audience possible is

795
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:46,560
attracted by the most mainstream
mass appeal music and people.

796
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,480
Look, I I don't watch American
Idol, but I'm in the extreme

797
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,360
minority there are.
We're with you, We're with you.

798
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,440
But 10s of millions of.
People do, so I'm OK being in

799
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:03,080
the extreme minority in that.
But it's a numbers game.

800
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,640
Gene Simmons once said it he who
sells the most wins.

801
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,920
It is.
It's a business and you want to

802
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,920
attract the biggest possible
audience, and the biggest

803
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,240
possible audience comes from
Paradise City versus estranged.

804
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,680
Well, I think you.
Just proved that in this

805
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,720
conversation, Paul, we talked
about Rat, and Rat was a way

806
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:23,480
more technically proficient band
songwriting wise than Kiss ever

807
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:24,840
was.
That's arguable.

808
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,440
I know those people are going to
hate me, but they were not

809
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:33,960
marketed like Kiss was.
The Walmart of rock bands, Say

810
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,560
what you want about it, that's
what they were.

811
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,640
They knew how to market
themselves at a level that was

812
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,400
unprecedented even in the 70s.
Yeah, I would.

813
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,080
I would I would argue the Kiss
is a better band than you think

814
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,080
they are.
I agree.

815
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,200
I agree with that, but the stuff
that they're.

816
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,760
But the stuff that's good, you
know, stuff like Watching You

817
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:58,360
and Mr. Speed and Hooligan and
Almost Human, Nobody knows that.

818
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,200
Nobody cares.
Nobody dug dig enough into it.

819
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,720
But I've got I've got it all
over here from, from from album

820
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:07,520
#1 all the way through the off
the Soundboard records that they

821
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,120
just put out.
So I'm in the extreme minority

822
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,800
when it comes to that.
So I can speak from an educated

823
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,000
standpoint on it.
People want to hear Beth and

824
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,600
Rock'n'roll all night.
Sure.

825
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,680
Detroit, Rock City and that's
it.

826
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:23,520
Occasionally to one of my
favorite Kiss songs.

827
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,680
I love watching you, I love
Parasite, but you never hear

828
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,040
Those are songs.
Those are fantastic songs.

829
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:33,160
But nobody cares, right?
And those are better songs than

830
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:34,680
some of the stuff that made it
on the radio.

831
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,880
Better than Heavens on Fire,
better than I was made for

832
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,760
loving you, better than lick it
up.

833
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,280
But but nobody went back and
nobody went back to listen to

834
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,400
There are like 6 riffs and
kisses watching you that are as

835
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,520
good as anything Aerosmith or
Zeppelin ever wrote.

836
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,800
Agree, but nobody.
Cares.

837
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,440
Creatures of the Night.
Is one of my favorite songs to

838
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,000
play on guitar and but nobody.
Cares, that's it.

839
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,160
It's such a small minority of
people and everybody says, well,

840
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,440
if there were a radio station
that played those songs, it

841
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,120
would not exist.
It wouldn't work.

842
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:07,560
It wouldn't work because they
only want.

843
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,640
To hear rock'n'roll all night,
one of the worst things that can

844
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,160
happen at a concert.
It's like an Aerosmith concert

845
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,960
now is here's a song off the new
album.

846
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,680
You can watch the audience
react.

847
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,440
Yeah, Yep.
You can watch the audience, the

848
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,120
kids.
The kids will sit there and

849
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,800
cheer.
And those that have been there

850
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,000
for 30 years will get up and go
get a beer or or a tea.

851
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,600
Yep, 100%.
Because you go, you go to the

852
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:29,880
concert.
Especially bands that have been

853
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,040
around forever, 4050 years, you
go to hear the hits.

854
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,800
I want to hear every single song
you've ever played that did just

855
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,440
rock the airwaves.
And then like you said, here's a

856
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,440
new song.
Fuck, really even Ultra bridge,

857
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,840
like love Alter Bridge, right?
We've talked about Ultra bridge

858
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,920
love them, but they don't write
like they used to.

859
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,320
But but there's but they're
fantastic live.

860
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,200
Like they're just, they're mind
boggling live and just the the

861
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,480
sheer.
Presence of them it but it's.

862
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,960
One of those things that yeah,
Alter Bridge is one of those

863
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,920
bands that never hit in America
like I thought they would have,

864
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:03,840
but they're huge overseas, which
and they shut up but.

865
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,920
He's right.
For some reason nobody cares

866
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,360
except the people who really
appreciate music like the three

867
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,840
of us.
We love Alter Bridge, but I

868
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:13,840
just.
Don't understand?

869
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,600
Why?
I guess the market is so over

870
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,280
saturated with content
entertainment wise, you have to

871
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,000
stand out somehow.
Yeah, there is.

872
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,400
It's an interesting, it's an
interesting dilemma.

873
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:33,200
We talk about Rat, we talk about
KISS, we talk about kicks.

874
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,600
And there's a very good chance,
because you're a music nerd,

875
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,640
that you can name every guy in
the band.

876
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,040
Sure, you can name every guy in
Iron Maiden.

877
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,360
You can name every guy in Jazz
Pro.

878
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,480
You can name every guy in Rat,
Mötley Crüe and stuff.

879
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:46,320
Who plays Bates for who plays
Bates for Nickelback?

880
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,960
I don't know you.
Have no fucking idea.

881
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,840
That's my point.
My point is there's nothing.

882
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,680
There's nothing to grab onto.
If Alter Bridge didn't get a hit

883
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,240
song with Before Tomorrow Comes,
they will never have a hit song.

884
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,880
True.
Because they.

885
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,680
Wrote a song that has a huge
hook, that has a great riff and

886
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,800
Miles is 1 of the greatest
singers out there.

887
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,120
Even if he over sings most of
the time, his stuff his stuff is

888
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,400
fantastic.
So Alter Bridge has all of the

889
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,840
elements of a great band except,
as Alice Cooper would say,

890
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,640
where's the song?
Yeah, they haven't found

891
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,480
whatever that song is. 7 Dust.
Same thing.

892
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,320
Fantastic band.
Can't write a song that

893
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,080
resonates enough to
breakthrough.

894
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:33,160
Yeah.
Don't know what it is.

895
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,840
Yeah.
Yeah, where there are other

896
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,200
bands that.
Are you know that have had

897
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,680
dozens of number one hit songs
that I think are mediocre bands?

898
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,880
Yeah, man, that is an
interesting path.

899
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,680
To travel, I mean, you could do
a whole podcast on that.

900
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,000
Why?
Because the song Black by 7 Dust

901
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,320
comes to mind right away.
When it came out, I thought

902
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,640
these guys are going to be huge.
Yeah, that was my opinion.

903
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,160
And yet.
And yet, Limp Bizkit.

904
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,880
Did it with a cover of George
Michael's Faith.

905
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:00,040
Right?
Right.

906
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,240
Like the idea that that Limp
Bizkit got rich off of music

907
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:05,760
that Mike Muir and Suicidal
Tendencies pioneered 20 years

908
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,160
before them is garbage to me.
Agree.

909
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,440
I mean.
You've you've got there.

910
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,760
Are bands like Suit Battle
Tendencies and 24/7 Spies and

911
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,120
Psychophuncopus and Faith No
More?

912
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,920
That came long before, yeah.
Oh yeah, yeah, that came.

913
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,160
Long before new metal.
That did this, you know?

914
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,480
And even the Chili Peppers in
their early days were much more,

915
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,680
much more rap rocky, much more
funky.

916
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,680
That style of music did hit
because Limp Bizkit and Corn and

917
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,200
a couple other bands, all of
which are dwarfed by Rage

918
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,240
Against the Machine, who are the
best of that ilk.

919
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:38,600
Agree.
Sure.

920
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,440
All of those bands, you know,
sit there in, in in my CD

921
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,400
collection gathering dust while
Limp Bizkit was headlining

922
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:47,760
stadiums.
And they're out again.

923
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,760
They're out opening for
Metallica this time around.

924
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,320
Yeah, who would have thought
that Limp Bizkit would still be

925
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,160
a thing?
Not me.

926
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:59,040
Creed Creed, Creed Our.
Headlining our headlining

927
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,440
amphitheatres while Alter Bridge
can't fill a can't fill a club.

928
00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:04,600
I know, it's crazy.
It's crazy.

929
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,040
And but they can go to overseas
and they can they can pack

930
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,600
Wimbley.
Like I, I saw the fortress the,

931
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:14,160
the, the, the tour they did,
which ended up being the

932
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,200
fortress album where they played
with the London, London

933
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:18,640
Philharmonic, whatever it was.
They they came through the

934
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,000
valley, they came to Marquee
Theater.

935
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,000
The thing was packed and it was
just mind boggling.

936
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,480
I mean, just, I mean, we were
we're on the stage basically.

937
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,880
And it just watched that 90
minutes because it's rare to

938
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,040
have a band play over 60 minutes
or so.

939
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,600
They 90 minutes and then an
encore because we didn't I

940
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,200
didn't realize they were the end
game was to record that whole

941
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:38,640
thing with the Symphony behind
them.

942
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,960
But it just yeah, mind bogging
that they just haven't broken

943
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,600
through, like you said, because
of the one hit, but just from a

944
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,160
talent like Nikki never saw him
before.

945
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,880
Nikki after that show was like,
holy shit, Mark Trumani is a

946
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,480
God, like just how he plays like
the oh, he's a beast.

947
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,520
He's an unbelievable music.
He should be unbelievable.

948
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:57,800
He should be.
You know everybody.

949
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,400
Talks about one of the things
that is lacking in music right

950
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,240
now is there's no Guitar Hero.
He should be right.

951
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,080
There should be.
There's no Guitar Hero.

952
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,280
There's no.
Guy, there's no shredding, you

953
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,760
know, guitar player, you know,
when we were kids growing up,

954
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,480
you had, you had pictures of
your favorite guitar players,

955
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,160
Eddie Van Halen, you know, those
were your that would that was

956
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,520
your guy.
There is no guy out there.

957
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,160
There's no OK guitar player
along that.

958
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,920
Along that, I got 2 questions
for you real quick, Mark.

959
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:30,280
But along that line, Mark, I
called him Mark, it's Paul.

960
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,120
I'm thinking of two different
things at the same time.

961
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:38,280
Anyway, Slash is an icon, right?
I don't think we ever look to

962
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,240
Slash as an Eddie Van Halen or,
and I don't think he wanted to

963
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:44,640
be looked at that he made
himself an icon.

964
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,640
But I agree with what you just
said.

965
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,800
There's no Guitar Hero, no, but
Slash has been around.

966
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:54,800
For 40 years, yeah. 40, yeah. 40
years.

967
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,960
Yeah, he's, which is like a.
Retired guitar icon.

968
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,160
He's an elder statesman.
Yeah, like who?

969
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,920
Again?
Who plays guitar for Shinedown?

970
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:05,760
No idea.
No idea.

971
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,200
Who plays guitar?
For one of my favorite bands

972
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,120
that nobody cares about, Rival
Sons.

973
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:12,880
I love Rival.
That's a good.

974
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,000
Band I do.
Too.

975
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,200
You introduce me Rival Sons.
That's why I like.

976
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,760
How about the cold?
Do you listen?

977
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,120
To the cold stairs, Paul.
Did I listen to who?

978
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,040
Cold.
Stairs no.

979
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,200
Check them out.
I don't think you're.

980
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,040
Going to They're along the same
lines as Rival Sons.

981
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,600
Yeah, I listened.
I mean, you know.

982
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,000
There's a there's a band out of
Belfast, Northern Ireland that I

983
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,080
love called The Answer.
Nobody cares.

984
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:35,520
I'll check them out.
They've.

985
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:36,840
Got half a dozen.
Records out.

986
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,800
There's a band that's been
around for 30 years that I love

987
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,280
out of England called Porcupine
Tree.

988
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,840
Nobody cares.
OK, here's my other.

989
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:49,280
Question before I forget Foo
Fighters.

990
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,360
He forgot.
Oh, you go from one legendary,

991
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:57,840
arguably life changing band to
basically another band who

992
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,520
attained the same level of
success.

993
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,400
They can sell out Wembley.
Foo Fighters are a better band

994
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,920
than Nirvana.
That's what.

995
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,720
I wanted to hear you say thank
you.

996
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,200
Yeah, they're a better than.
Nirvana.

997
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,600
Nirvana was a moment.
Nirvana was a Nirvana was a

998
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,720
pivotal moment in time.
I mean, obviously Smells Like

999
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:18,640
Teen Spirit was, That's a world
changing moment.

1000
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,320
Not many bands have that
opportunity to create.

1001
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,320
There was music before Smells
Like Teen Spirit and music

1002
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:26,320
afterwards.
And there's.

1003
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,560
But when you think of Nirvana,
there's only a half dozen songs.

1004
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,680
Yeah, you know, Nirvana.
Nirvana had like a four album

1005
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,520
career and they were on the
verge of breaking up when Kurt

1006
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,560
died because their moment had
come and passed.

1007
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:45,840
They were almost done and Utero
was considered a failure They.

1008
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,200
Were they were a.
Flash in the pan band.

1009
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:52,200
But their flash was massive.
It was massive it.

1010
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,640
Changed whereas.
Whereas Foo Fighters have been

1011
00:49:55,640 --> 00:50:02,120
around since 199495 and have had
a 31 year, 32 year career.

1012
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,400
So Foo Fighters are are
significantly bigger band.

1013
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,920
They didn't have a bigger
moment, but they're a bigger,

1014
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,800
better band than Nirvana was.
Yeah, Kurt was.

1015
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,440
Kurt was the right guy at the
right time.

1016
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,280
Kurt was easily, easily
marketable because he had the

1017
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,040
blonde hair and the blue eyes
and it looked like he needed a

1018
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:27,440
hug.
I'm not.

1019
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,720
I'm not trying to jump on it.
No, but that's true state.

1020
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,160
Nirvana.
It's a great visual.

1021
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,240
For people who weren't there,
that is a great visual of what

1022
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:38,320
they marketed.
That's exactly what you saw and

1023
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:39,760
and in a.
Sweater with his hair.

1024
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,920
Down in his eyes and he looked
kind of sad.

1025
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:42,640
He looked.
He was.

1026
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:43,640
He looked like he.
Needed a hug.

1027
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,840
But that said, yeah, Smells like
Teen Spirit is undeniable.

1028
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,280
All apologies is undeniable.
Some as You are is undeniable.

1029
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,400
Like there are there are some
Nirvana songs that are

1030
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,560
absolutely classic rock.
Now listen to Polly.

1031
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,160
Yeah, they're classic rock.
Songs and and classic rock has

1032
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:04,960
nothing to do with age, although
it has to be.

1033
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,360
No, it has to.
It has to age to a certain

1034
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,720
point, but it is the best of the
best of the best.

1035
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:12,920
And Nirvana have a handful of
those, I would say, when it's

1036
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,640
all said and done, Foo Fighters
have a handful of those as well.

1037
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,240
I mean, times like these, it's a
better song than anything

1038
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:20,520
Nirvana's ever written.
True part of your.

1039
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,600
Song Learn to fly.
Is a fantastic song.

1040
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,600
You know, there are there are
songs that that you know that

1041
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,680
Dave Grohl has written that are
that should stand side by side.

1042
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,600
You hear more Foo Fighters on
the radio today than you do

1043
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:34,760
Nirvana.
True.

1044
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,520
That's just true.
For sure.

1045
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:38,840
Yeah, that's true.
There's something to be said.

1046
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,800
For that the.
Audience has decided Foo

1047
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:41,960
Fighters are bigger than
Nirvana.

1048
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,800
They didn't have a bigger
moment, but they're a bigger

1049
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,600
band, right?
Well, and all the Nirvana.

1050
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,400
Fans now are old.
We're all old man.

1051
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:55,800
You know, I think that.
I think that, but there's

1052
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,320
there's something to be said for
that though, because like you

1053
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,720
mentioned, a band like Led
Zeppelin, Why didn't Led

1054
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:03,360
Zeppelin get so dodged?
I was, I was just going to talk

1055
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,120
to you about Led Zeppelin.
I was going to say, let's get to

1056
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,600
let's get the zed, let's get the
lead out, Paul, because Mike and

1057
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:08,720
I talk about Zeppelin all the
time.

1058
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:10,720
It doesn't matter what song
comes on from Zeppelin.

1059
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,240
It's still relevant here and
now.

1060
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:13,720
OK, wait, the record.
Let me ask him.

1061
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:15,680
Real quick.
Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

1062
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,600
I want to get his take on.
This before you ask your

1063
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,360
question.
Maybe you're going that way.

1064
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:21,960
I'm sorry.
Go ahead.

1065
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,120
Go ahead.
No, you're good.

1066
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,840
Go ahead.
Why does LED?

1067
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:31,160
Zeppelin always sound fresh.
It doesn't sound like 19. 70 or

1068
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:37,280
60 or 80 or because.
Jimmy Page and Eddie Kramer and

1069
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,400
Andy Johns and Glenn Johns had
ears that are timeless.

1070
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:48,120
The production values on those
records are There is something

1071
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:53,160
about Led Zeppelin.
That is intangible.

1072
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,960
I can't imagine sitting in those
studios.

1073
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,880
I can't imagine sitting in those
studios and having them finish

1074
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:03,840
playing back the the recording
of What to say in my Time of

1075
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,880
Dying and just sitting there
going.

1076
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,920
I think we got it.
Like I, I like there's

1077
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,360
something, there's some, there
are certain bands that have

1078
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,280
that.
ACDC has that, Aerosmith has

1079
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,640
that, Led Zeppelin has that, you
2 have that, the Stones have it.

1080
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:23,560
There's an intangible greatness,
but there's something to be said

1081
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:30,160
for the production values.
Whatever it was that Jimmy Page

1082
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:35,800
heard and Andy Johns and Eddie
Cramer and and and and Glenn

1083
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,600
Johns and all of the people that
engineered and worked in would

1084
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,800
Led Zeppelin, there's something
that they heard.

1085
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:45,440
I don't know.
It's a.

1086
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:46,520
It's a.
Special sauce.

1087
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,840
Why was Jerry Rice the greatest
football player we've ever seen?

1088
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,600
Because there's just an
intangible it that's there.

1089
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:59,120
And I don't know what it is, but
Led Zeppelin have it.

1090
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,640
And I didn't want to say has had
it because no, because they do.

1091
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,000
Because they still have.
It there's still something to be

1092
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,720
said for hearing the ocean, or
something to be had said for

1093
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:10,920
hearing over the hills and far
away, or something to be said

1094
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,400
for it doesn't matter what you
play from Led Zeppelin.

1095
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,080
It it's it becomes the
barometer.

1096
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,880
That drum sound is the
barometer.

1097
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:24,840
It's pure.
It identifies the best the rock.

1098
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,000
It just.
Identifies.

1099
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,600
If you said to yourself, what is
a guitar riff?

1100
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:32,320
Heartbreaker is a guitar riff.
If you said, you know, what is a

1101
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,080
lyric?
It's it's what Robert Plant sang

1102
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,680
in Stairway.
You know, drum sound.

1103
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,360
What is a drum sound?
It's the beginning of when the

1104
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,800
levee breaks.
Like when you hear that, when

1105
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,720
you hear that, it becomes, it
becomes the arbiter.

1106
00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:48,640
It becomes the barometer upon
which everything is measured

1107
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,440
against.
And Led Zeppelin set that

1108
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:54,320
barometer for everybody.
Trust me, the worst thing to be

1109
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:59,680
during that period was The Who
and The Rolling Stones, because

1110
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,920
no matter how good The Who and
The Rolling Stones were, Led

1111
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,320
Zeppelin would release an album.
They're like, Jesus, here we go

1112
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:05,880
again.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1113
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,720
I don't know what to watch.
Have you ever watched the

1114
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:10,000
documentary Becoming Led
Zeppelin?

1115
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,000
Yes.
Yeah, that's fascinating.

1116
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,320
That's mind boggling.
If nobody, for those of you out

1117
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,280
there, if you've never, if
you've never watched that

1118
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:18,960
documentary, go watch that
documentary and you will

1119
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,720
understand a little bit more why
Led Zeppelin is who Led Zeppelin

1120
00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:23,680
is.
And before he gets too far.

1121
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,840
Away from this point.
That's why I wanted him to say

1122
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,520
that because I've heard Jimmy
Page say it and I just saw it

1123
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,160
again in another interview that
he recently did.

1124
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,240
The first time they ever played
together was in a room that was

1125
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,400
barely the bigger than the size
of a closet.

1126
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,320
But he said as soon as they
finished the first song, they

1127
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,720
all looked at each other and
they with no words spoken, they

1128
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:46,480
knew there was something special
there.

1129
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,560
That's all it took was one song.
Yeah.

1130
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,040
You can't create chemistry.
It either exists or it doesn't,

1131
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,000
and Chris and I know that
because.

1132
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,800
We had our best time with the
four of us in Nemesis.

1133
00:55:57,240 --> 00:56:00,240
There was no better time because
the four of us were all on the

1134
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:02,880
same page, focused in the same
direction.

1135
00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:05,520
And like you said, you can't
compete with that.

1136
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,000
Yeah, when you have a when?
You have A and I, I've been in

1137
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,400
bands as well.
And the band, the band that I

1138
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,160
was in that went through a
multiple lineup changes.

1139
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,360
There was one period of time
where the five of us together,

1140
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:20,600
that was the band that was
either going to make it or it

1141
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:21,960
wasn't.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1142
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,160
And when and when 1 member
changed, that was the end of it.

1143
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:30,160
There are very few bands that
are able to go through a member

1144
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,400
change, a line up change and and
become better.

1145
00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:38,000
You know, the argument to be
made ACDC, Genesis, Journey, Van

1146
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,560
Halen.
You know, there are bands that

1147
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:44,040
were, you know, but like when
Aerosmith, when Jimmy, when Joe

1148
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,680
Perry and Brad Whitford left and
they were replaced by Rick Dufay

1149
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,960
and Jimmy Crespo, it wasn't the
same.

1150
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:52,800
Those guys are good guitar
players, but it wasn't the same.

1151
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:57,520
The chemistry wasn't the same as
good as Jason Bonham played at

1152
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:02,440
the O2 Arena in 2007.
They understood.

1153
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,320
They got away.
With it, yeah.

1154
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,200
You know what I mean?
Like they understood.

1155
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:07,160
You can't.
You can't.

1156
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,160
Led Zeppelin reunited 5 or 6
times since John Bonham died,

1157
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,040
and four out of five of them
sucked were disasters.

1158
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:16,760
Correct this.
It doesn't work.

1159
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,680
So you have to be able.
To chemistry is something that

1160
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,000
is organic.
You know, if The Beatles hadn't

1161
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:27,480
split up and tried to continue
with different members, God help

1162
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,360
you now.
Then there's the other side of

1163
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,640
that.
But then there's the other side

1164
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:32,760
of that.
You got The Rolling Stones

1165
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,160
where, you know, my favorite era
of The Rolling Stones on the

1166
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,720
Mick Taylor years because it has
stank on it.

1167
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:45,080
You know, I'm not a Brian Jones
guy and Ron Wood is along for

1168
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:46,560
the ride.
As much as I like Ron Wood and

1169
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,760
his work and faces, he's along
for the ride.

1170
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,400
The Mick Taylor years, you know,
those are the ones that that's

1171
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,080
that that stank that have
because I think.

1172
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,840
I think Mick Taylor pushed back
against Mick Jagger and Keith,

1173
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,400
right?
Ron Woods never going to push

1174
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,360
back.
I think Mick Taylor was a little

1175
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,400
bit of he had to have some kind
of push back or they never would

1176
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,400
have allowed that.
I agree with that statement a

1177
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:08,840
lot.
Friction works.

1178
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:10,520
Yeah, friction works.
Look.

1179
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,880
You know.
Pete Townsend and and Roger

1180
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,800
Daltrey hate each other.
They, they, they love each

1181
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,040
other, but they hate each other
because they aggravate the hell

1182
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:21,920
out of each other when they're
when they're making music.

1183
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:26,000
But there's nobody else that can
sing Pete Townsend music better

1184
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,200
than Rodger Daltrey.
And Pete is is intelligent

1185
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,440
enough to recognize that Rodger
is the voice for his music.

1186
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,160
David Gilmour and Rodger.
Waters, same thing.

1187
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,360
Look the guys in.
Aerosmith, They barely talk to

1188
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:38,760
each other when they're not on
stage.

1189
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:44,680
It's, you know, Eddie and Dave,
you know, and, and I imagine

1190
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,920
that Jimmy Page and Robert Plant
irritate the hell out of each

1191
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,640
other.
There's something to be said for

1192
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:54,080
friction out of friction.
Can can can be magic I heard.

1193
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,200
Excuse me, I heard Robert Plant
tell Dan Rather it's a lot like

1194
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:03,080
being married when you've been
stuck with somebody.

1195
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,240
He had a better word.
You know, you're basically woven

1196
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,800
together.
You know, the point we just

1197
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,600
made, the four of them made Led
Zeppelin.

1198
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,080
You can't just pick somebody
else to write songs with.

1199
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,960
So he said.
It's a lot like being married.

1200
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,640
You just want to get away from
that person every now and then

1201
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,720
when you've known him or been
together and forced to be in

1202
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,080
this partnership for 40 years.
Well, I mean, whatever.

1203
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,360
The Firm should have worked on
paper.

1204
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,520
No question.
On on on paper.

1205
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,960
You had a phenomenal band.
You've got, you know, Chris

1206
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,600
Slade on drums, Tony Franklin on
on bass.

1207
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,360
So there's a there's a solid
rhythm section right there and

1208
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,440
Jimmy Page and arguably one of
the greatest pure vocalist in

1209
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:43,960
the history of music, Paul
Rogers.

1210
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,080
Paul Rogers.
It should.

1211
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:46,600
Work on.
Paper.

1212
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,400
It should work, but it didn't.
There were a couple of magical

1213
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,280
songs that came out of that
collaboration, but that's it.

1214
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,280
Yep.
They it should have worked.

1215
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,800
On paper, you know, you can't
just slam Audioslave, you can't

1216
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,880
just slam the three guys from
Rage Against the Machine and

1217
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,720
Chris Cornell together and hope
that it works.

1218
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:08,520
There were moments, but overall,
Velvet Revolver.

1219
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:09,960
Yeah, right.
I was just saying.

1220
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,120
Let's talk super bands, because
these are all super bands.

1221
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,200
Velvet Revolver, same thing,
right?

1222
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:18,280
And yeah, you you try to put
those things together.

1223
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,160
There were moments.
I saw Velvet Revolver's first

1224
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:22,960
show at the El Rey Theatre in
Los Angeles.

1225
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,480
They did a showcase.
It was a four song showcase

1226
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:32,000
radio convention and it was mind
blowing to see that moment.

1227
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,320
But then when the records came
out there were half a dozen

1228
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,960
songs on 2 albums.
There are 6 songs that are worth

1229
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,800
remembering out of the I can
only you know, two dozen.

1230
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:45,320
Songs that they wrote.
Yes, Slither.

1231
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,440
And fall the pieces.
Fall the pieces.

1232
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,000
Fall the pieces.
When I was thinking of because

1233
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,600
that's the only one that just
slither and fall the pieces.

1234
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,120
Are the only ones that anybody
cared about?

1235
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:59,280
Yeah, Asia memory.
Both on the 1st 2:00 first first

1236
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:00,360
couple of Asia records.
Are good.

1237
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,040
First Asia record is great.
Yeah, yeah.

1238
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:05,800
Agreed with that.
That was the first rule of super

1239
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,240
group, wasn't it back in the
80s?

1240
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,760
No, I mean, I mean, there's an
argument to be made that there's

1241
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,760
an argument to be made that
cream was a super group.

1242
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:15,520
Oh, that's a good.
Point.

1243
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,880
That's a good point.
That's why I asked the question,

1244
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,880
Paul.
There's a, there's an argument.

1245
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,320
Between, you know, I mean Blind
Faith, you got Steve Winwood and

1246
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:27,080
Eric Clapton in the same band.
You know the Super group thing,

1247
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,560
you know, some people called Led
Zeppelin a super group because

1248
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:35,080
Jimmy Page was a member of The
Yardbirds, but but nobody else.

1249
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,760
I mean, John Paul Jones was a
was a a known studio entity, but

1250
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,320
but John Bonham and Robert Plant
were nobodies.

1251
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,840
They were playing at bars at.
The time, nobody.

1252
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:45,640
Who were?
They were, yeah.

1253
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:46,400
Nobody.
No.

1254
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:47,960
So.
But.

1255
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,000
You get one guy you can't on
paper.

1256
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:53,680
Here's here's an 80s super group
for you.

1257
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:58,360
That people that ate absolute
dog and that was contraband.

1258
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,960
Oh yeah, over there.
Steven Pearcy, right?

1259
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,120
Contraband was.
Let's see if I can name all the

1260
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,800
members now.
Bobby Blot, Sir Tracy Guns.

1261
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:12,520
OK.
No Tracy guns from L.A.

1262
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,320
Guns.
Bobby from Rat, Cher Peterson

1263
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:21,040
from Vixen, a guy named Richard
Black from a band called Shark

1264
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:22,760
Island.
Great band.

1265
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,200
And was.
Was Michael Shanker in

1266
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,640
Contraband I?
I don't remember he's.

1267
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,840
Going to Google it.
He's going to Google it because

1268
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,600
that sounds familiar.
I don't.

1269
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:34,680
Think I don't think it was
Michael.

1270
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:38,720
Shanker no, he was an MSG.
For sure with no, I know that

1271
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:44,760
McCauley.
I don't know, I think it might

1272
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:45,840
be.
Michael Shanker, I could be

1273
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:52,280
wrong.
Band members, OK, Yep, you're

1274
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,560
100% correct.
Yeah, so there's the guns and.

1275
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:57,840
Michael Shanker.
Together outstanding.

1276
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,400
There's a great example.
Of the sum of the parts doesn't

1277
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,680
equal the parts.
Michael Schenker's a guy that

1278
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:08,280
should be a household name as a
guitar player, but he's not.

1279
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:14,200
But he's not.
See I some of the Pearcy.

1280
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,080
Front in that band.
But you're right, it was Richard

1281
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,200
Black.
Yeah, Steven Pearson was an.

1282
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:19,600
Arcade.
That's it.

1283
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:20,440
Thank you.
I knew he.

1284
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,160
Had one too.
I couldn't name 1 member.

1285
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,080
Passed Steven Pearcy in that
band.

1286
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:28,400
Yeah.
Arcade was a couple of records

1287
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,440
so hands.
Down your your your favorite top

1288
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:35,880
three bands of all time, Paul,
just regardless of John or just

1289
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,160
I know impossible.
Well, yes, possible.

1290
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:41,720
It's no, it's impossible.
Because it changes.

1291
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,920
Oh, oh, OK.
OK, so right now then, what are

1292
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,600
your top three favorite bands
you're listening to right now in

1293
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,760
2026, March 20 I always listen
to.

1294
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:55,800
ACDC, just just because there's
so much great stuff from from

1295
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:59,200
Bond to Brian I'm a big fan of.
Who's your favorite?

1296
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:01,840
Oh, Bond is.
It's Bond is the thank you.

1297
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:04,160
But Brian is.
Still brilliant.

1298
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,880
If there were no bond I would I
would have no problem saying

1299
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:08,880
Brian.
I like them both but I always.

1300
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,400
Put the gun to the head moment
if you got to pick one.

1301
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:13,560
It's Bond for me.
They were.

1302
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,640
They were more mischievous with
Bond.

1303
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,320
Yes, the.
Lyrics were more clever and the

1304
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,200
music was more clever.
I think it was more dangerous.

1305
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:29,280
Yes, there was a good chance
that like as as this will sound

1306
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,200
horrible when I say it, and I
don't mean it to say it this

1307
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:34,160
way, there was a better chance
that Bond Scott was going to

1308
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:35,600
steal your girlfriend than Brian
Johnson.

1309
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:40,080
Absolutely.
And he liked him big.

1310
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,640
So if you had a big, if you had
a big girl, that was Bond's

1311
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:44,040
right?
Yeah.

1312
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:49,760
He like he.
Liked him Tasmanian whore so but

1313
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,440
I I also love the cult Willie
Duffy that.

1314
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,920
Guitar tone is outstanding, yes.
It's just plus I.

1315
01:04:55,920 --> 01:05:00,760
Love, I love that I have an
alternative Jones where I love

1316
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,200
some of that, you know, the cult
Bellam and the Angel,

1317
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:08,080
Psychedelic Furs, the beat like
there I have.

1318
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:11,200
I like to get into that music.
I'm not it's not always about

1319
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:15,760
Les Paul in 100 Watt stack.
Sometimes, you know, I like to

1320
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,160
listen to, I'll listen to The
Smiths and the Cure and some of

1321
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:22,520
that stuff too, to just to get a
break, just to, to my, my

1322
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,080
musical tastes are so varied.
Me too, right?

1323
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:26,760
And they have.
To be because you what you do

1324
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,520
for a living and in fact you
have 6000 CDs.

1325
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:32,440
They're not all rock'n'roll CDs.
I get a lot of hip hop.

1326
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:38,160
I get a lot of classic hip hop
and a lot of Nat King Cole, you

1327
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:44,320
know, James Brown, Sly Stone,
like I like, you know, I love, I

1328
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:45,960
love music.
Yeah.

1329
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:47,240
So that's.
When you asked for the.

1330
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,480
When you asked for the I know, I
know.

1331
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,960
It's it's impossible.
Yeah, because yeah, one day it

1332
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,360
could be Metallica.
It's funny, I will never.

1333
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,480
When everybody ever asked my
favorite bands, I never

1334
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,440
mentioned Motörhead.
Yet I have a Motörhead tattoo on

1335
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:01,960
my leg.
Right.

1336
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:03,640
And you met Lemmy and.
Lemmy is God.

1337
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,360
That was my it was my first.
My first interview when I was a

1338
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:07,880
kid was Lemmy.
Yeah, yeah.

1339
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:09,880
How was?
That as a kid because you've

1340
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,640
talked about on the radio, but
like, you know, how was it just.

1341
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:13,720
Yeah.
Yeah.

1342
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:15,840
Intimidating.
How old were?

1343
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,920
You 18.
Oh wow. 18 years old, sitting on

1344
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,640
a.
Bus with Motörhead and having

1345
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,240
and having Wurzel, who's no
longer with us anymore.

1346
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:28,920
Guitar player Michael Burstyn.
Yeah, tell me he's quitting the

1347
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,480
band.
Like Lemmy goes into the back.

1348
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:35,280
They were sitting down having
Donuts and they were stale

1349
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:39,240
Donuts and somebody was dumping
Foster's 40s, you know, the the

1350
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:43,040
oil cans into a bucket into the,
the Gray bucket on the bus.

1351
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:45,600
And Lemmy goes in the back to
get a cigarette or something

1352
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,240
like that.
And, and Worzel turns.

1353
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:48,360
It looks because I'm leaving the
band.

1354
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:52,200
I'm like, what did you just say?
I'm leaving the band.

1355
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:57,600
Can't tell anybody.
So Lemmy comes back and sits

1356
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,880
down.
Now I've got a secret and I

1357
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:01,600
don't know.
And I don't know why he said he

1358
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,080
was leaving.
And by the way, he stayed for

1359
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:06,360
another six years, OK.
But it was.

1360
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,160
It was just.
One of those moments I'm like,

1361
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:10,920
hell am I supposed to do with
that information.

1362
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:17,880
And so later on that night
they're on stage and skinheads

1363
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:21,240
are spitting at Lemmy, you know,
gaubbing at him, which is which

1364
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,640
used to be a, a sign of
appreciation in England.

1365
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:25,920
But Lemmy didn't find any kind
of appreciation.

1366
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:28,800
He took his base off and he
swung it at the kids head.

1367
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:33,120
Missed him?
You know, barely.

1368
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,720
Yeah.
And I thought to myself, well,

1369
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:37,200
this is the greatest experience
of my life.

1370
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,000
I want to do this for the rest
of my life and so I decided at

1371
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:44,800
18 that I was going to do radio
and in October of this year I

1372
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,320
would have celebrated my 40th
anniversary if I were still on

1373
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:48,640
the air.
So hopefully I'll be able to get

1374
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,200
on the air again soon and be
able to celebrate that you.

1375
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:52,800
I love you so.
What are you?

1376
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:55,280
So, So what were you doing when
you're 18?

1377
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,720
Because obviously you weren't on
the were you on the radio then

1378
01:07:57,720 --> 01:07:59,440
or were you not on the radio?
College radio have that

1379
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,120
opportunity.
OK, OK, OK.

1380
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,240
College radio and playing
college football.

1381
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:05,640
OK, right.
I would when I got walked.

1382
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,880
Around the campus, walked around
the campus by the offensive

1383
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,080
lineman that was taking all the
new, you know, the freshman

1384
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:14,680
recruits around the campus.
I saw the the call letters for

1385
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,800
the radio station.
It was WDJM, which was the, the,

1386
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:21,920
the name of the college
president, Dean Dean Justin

1387
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:25,240
McCarthy or something like that.
But the call letters of the

1388
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:27,279
campus radio station said, well,
what happens up there?

1389
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,479
And the alignment said that's
where all the weird kids hang

1390
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:31,720
out.
And I was like, OK, that's where

1391
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,000
I'm going.
And I walked up there and I

1392
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,720
asked the program director, what
does it take to get on the

1393
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:37,240
radio?
And he said, what kind of music

1394
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:38,479
do you like?
I said, that's not what I asked

1395
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:39,920
you.
Nice.

1396
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,359
And good answer, Paul, and
that's been?

1397
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:47,160
Basically what I've been, that's
kind of it doesn't matter what

1398
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,399
music, whatever it takes to get
back on the radio and make a

1399
01:08:50,399 --> 01:08:54,520
living is what I want to do
because it's all I can do now.

1400
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:56,880
Like how my skills don't exactly
translate.

1401
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,640
How do you explain what I've
been doing for decades?

1402
01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:01,359
You ever thought about writing a
book?

1403
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:03,800
Yeah, it's not about writing a
book.

1404
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:05,800
I think you should write a book
about your life.

1405
01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:09,000
People don't read books.
Yeah, but they have audio books.

1406
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:13,080
I, I think I, I, I think if you
wrote a book just for your 40

1407
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:16,399
years in radio and sport nights.
Exactly with.

1408
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:19,560
Just with all the things you've
done and all the people you've

1409
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:21,920
met and all the shows you've
seen and the different cities

1410
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:23,840
you've travelled and, and the
different connections you've

1411
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:28,000
made, I it'd be fascinating.
Like I said, the life resume you

1412
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:31,319
have is just phenomenal.
And we I agree with you touched

1413
01:09:31,319 --> 01:09:33,520
on it.
The book starts where you.

1414
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,240
Just started Paul.
It starts with when I was 18

1415
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:38,240
years old.
This is what happened.

1416
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,640
Starts early, you just.
But yeah, well, yeah, but you

1417
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,120
have a million.
Stories of people you've met

1418
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:47,960
that nobody had the pleasure of
meeting and those interactions.

1419
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:51,680
And it is, it's not many people
have lived, lived that life.

1420
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:54,840
You've just been inside it.
And you don't see it from the

1421
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,600
outside looking in, right, but
from the outside looking.

1422
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,920
From us looking at it, it would
be, it would be phenomenal.

1423
01:10:01,480 --> 01:10:03,680
I think you know, I have
written.

1424
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:08,760
I have written.
Therapeutically, over the years,

1425
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:13,320
I haven't written anything in a
long time, but I have written,

1426
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:19,160
I've got, you know, 100 plus
pages of anecdotes and things

1427
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:23,200
just so the things that I don't
even remember properly, like

1428
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,920
when I, when, when you have a
doctor just came in the room.

1429
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:29,560
Did I?
Your door.

1430
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:30,680
Just opened up.
It had to be a.

1431
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:35,320
Dog or a ghost man?
It's it's the German Shepherd.

1432
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:37,160
It's the big one.
There you go.

1433
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:38,000
I figured.
Out.

1434
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:39,880
What's going on?
Male.

1435
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:41,040
Female.
That's stupid.

1436
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,160
He's male.
But he's male.

1437
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:45,680
But they're good.
Dogs.

1438
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:49,760
Yeah, I mean, just they're,
they're I've, I've had some,

1439
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:54,200
some weird experiences and I've
written therapeutically, you

1440
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:55,960
know, they always tell you when
you're in times of stress, you

1441
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:59,800
should write because it helps,
it helps you express it, it

1442
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:03,680
helps you get it out, helps you
keep from get living inside your

1443
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:05,240
own head.
So I've done that.

1444
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:11,200
I wouldn't even know what to do
to get a book published or

1445
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,240
anything like that.
Like that's that's it's just so

1446
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:18,880
outside of my scope of of not
interest, but understanding I

1447
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:20,480
wouldn't.
Know what to do, I think, I

1448
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,240
think you, I think you start
writing it like Mike said, you,

1449
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:25,560
you, you start when you're 18
years old and walking on the

1450
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:27,400
college campus and that's what
opened the door.

1451
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:29,200
And then you just start writing
it.

1452
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:32,400
And then once you start writing
it, then you just, I mean, like,

1453
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:36,800
we're having this, this person
on next week that's a talent

1454
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:38,000
agent.
So I can certainly pick her

1455
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,040
brain and say, hey, I got a
friend who could do this.

1456
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,720
Where would he go?
We didn't know how to do this.

1457
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:47,400
Before we started, no.
I I agree with you, yes.

1458
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:50,160
Amazon is a, that's a place to
start.

1459
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:55,720
Audible, because, yeah, what you
said about radio parallels to

1460
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,000
books.
I said the same thing.

1461
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,920
Nobody reads books anymore, but
I listen to them all the time at

1462
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:04,920
work and at home.
So basically I'm multitasking

1463
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:06,280
now, right?
I'm cleaning the house and I'm

1464
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:07,720
listening to a book.
Yep.

1465
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,200
Yep, we had, we had a guest on
the show.

1466
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:13,360
She's she just, I saw her on
Facebook yesterday.

1467
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:16,840
She just sent her latest
manuscript to her editor so I

1468
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:19,040
can poke at her.
Hey, hook me up.

1469
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:22,000
I have somebody that, you know,
that might be wanting to do

1470
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:23,640
something because I really do,
Paul.

1471
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,520
I think it would be fascinating.
I've listened to it, read it

1472
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,520
again.
And I I wasn't bullshit.

1473
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:32,520
When I said when I first met you
that, that when I left that that

1474
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,200
that day, KD, KB, I was like,
this is a genuine human.

1475
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,040
He's fucking cool.
He's not an asshole, he's not

1476
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:38,320
arrogant, he's not an
ostracistic.

1477
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,840
He's just a genuine human who
loves what he does.

1478
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:43,840
And that's what I thought for
the last hour.

1479
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:47,240
Man, this has been a great
conversation and and that came.

1480
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:49,640
Across when you're on the air
and I think it would come across

1481
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:53,520
even more so on pages because
everything you're going to talk

1482
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,960
about is genuine.
You lived it and you're sharing

1483
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:59,320
it with people who who've never
been able to get past that door

1484
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:01,760
like you Aerosmith comes to K to
KB.

1485
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,600
Nobody get past that door to see
Aerosmith because you shut the

1486
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:06,080
door.
Now you're sitting there in a in

1487
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,280
a studio with them talking.
You're talking with Lars.

1488
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:11,040
You're talking with just an
infinite amount of people.

1489
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:16,640
That alone, I mean, not even a
chapter per guest, but a chapter

1490
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:20,520
per meeting, but two or three
paragraphs it it, it would be

1491
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:22,320
fascinating for people who love
music.

1492
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:25,880
Your life is fascinating and the
stories you can tell and the

1493
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:29,360
journeys you've been on through
the entire country because

1494
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,400
you're not just stuck in
Arizona, not just in California,

1495
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:33,840
Boston, all that kind of stuff.
It resonant.

1496
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:37,720
Don Warnock, let alone dude, we
connected because you are a

1497
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:39,840
mutual friend.
There's that's that's the

1498
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:43,160
weirdest thing in the world.
I thought Don was a DJ and then

1499
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,360
like I'm not a DJI.
Just know Paul from Kansas City.

1500
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:47,960
I haven't worked in Kansas City
and.

1501
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,840
That's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying.

1502
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:52,920
It's the six degrees of
separation with Paul Marshall.

1503
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:55,120
Yeah.
I would.

1504
01:13:55,880 --> 01:14:01,400
For the record, I am I am 2°.
You guys are now officially 3°

1505
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:03,320
from Kevin Bacon, because there
you go.

1506
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:09,960
I worked with a guy.
Named Joe Stapleton, who was.

1507
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,320
In.
Mystic River with Kevin Bacon.

1508
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:13,760
Great movie.
Oh, great movie.

1509
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,240
So I'm I'm.
I'm 2° away.

1510
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:21,160
OK, OK, you're officially. 3°.
Away from Kevin Bacon, I can't

1511
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:25,360
not ask you this question, Paul.
Since we were talking about.

1512
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,960
Kiss and Led Zeppelin and all
these great bands.

1513
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,880
So many people hate on Lars,
right?

1514
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:34,640
Metallica would have never been
Metallica if they put what you

1515
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:38,280
would call a quote UN quote real
drummer in that spot.

1516
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:40,640
Yes or no?
Lars is a great drummer.

1517
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:42,720
He is.
Thank you, I agree.

1518
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:45,400
But so many people hate on him.
Lars does.

1519
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,320
Lars if.
You listen to.

1520
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:49,240
I mean, I don't know what
they're.

1521
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,040
Is he Charlie Bonante?
No.

1522
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:55,840
Is he Gene Hoagland?
No, but he's the right guy for

1523
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:58,680
that band.
It's like this is this is people

1524
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:03,200
hating on Metallica.
It's because it they, it's

1525
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:06,600
almost Nickelback Creed, like
it's become fashionable to hate

1526
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:12,160
on Metallica.
They are the biggest heavy metal

1527
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:16,480
band ever, ever, ever.
Bigger than Black Sabbath.

1528
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:19,880
Bigger than any other.
Heavy metal band.

1529
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:24,160
They are the greatest.
They are the good and Metallica

1530
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,800
wouldn't be Metallica if it
weren't for Lars.

1531
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:31,360
Agreed.
He's he's he and James built

1532
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:34,040
that thing from the ground up.
He's the guy.

1533
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,120
He's the guy that put the ads
out in the recycler.

1534
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:38,000
He's the guy.
Is he?

1535
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,240
Is he Neil Peart?
No, he's not Neil Peart.

1536
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:42,800
He's not supposed to be.
He never claimed to be.

1537
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:44,640
Either no, but there's but but
but there's.

1538
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:46,320
Nothing wrong with Lars
drumming.

1539
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:48,120
There's there's nothing wrong
with it.

1540
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:50,200
I I never understood the Lars
hate.

1541
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:51,880
I don't know.
I think.

1542
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:53,560
Part of I think, I think.
Part of it comes from the

1543
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:55,560
Napster stuff because because
you have this.

1544
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:00,600
Oh, I know what now we.
Know he was right 100%, but 100%

1545
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:04,440
but the way, and you can correct
me if I'm wrong, Mike and I've

1546
01:16:04,440 --> 01:16:06,600
talked about this, but part of
the way the Metallica became

1547
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:08,600
Metallica was nobody was playing
their music on the radio.

1548
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:10,400
So they're all their shows were
bootlegged and people were

1549
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,920
making cassette tapes given to
their friends and and in essence

1550
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:16,680
napstring their music to get to
a level to where people didn't

1551
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:18,800
start to have to pay attention.
They started selling out bigger

1552
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,120
clubs, things like that.
All of a sudden, you know, then

1553
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:22,840
the radio stations had to play
something.

1554
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:28,000
So they built some of what their
legacy is based on bootleg

1555
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:29,960
recordings and shit like that,
passing their friends and

1556
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:33,200
friends what they should do.
What they should have done, and

1557
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:35,000
all of these bands should have
done, is look within.

1558
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:40,760
Yeah, None of those recordings,
none of them would have made it

1559
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:44,960
to Napster if Metallica had
their business taken care of.

1560
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:50,160
Because they go into the studio,
they record their songs.

1561
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:54,160
It's the four of them and Bob
Rock or whoever the engineer was

1562
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:57,000
at the time recording them.
Somebody hit stop.

1563
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:59,400
How many copies of that song
exist?

1564
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:03,280
Where did they come from?
It came from within those

1565
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,200
records.
Didn't those songs didn't leak

1566
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:08,840
out because somebody broke into
the studio and stole the tapes.

1567
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:13,040
Somebody in the organization
heard the song, played it for

1568
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:17,520
somebody, made them a copy of
it, and somebody uploaded it.

1569
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:22,800
So it's it's internal.
Whoever was, whoever was

1570
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:25,320
internally, look inside none of
those records.

1571
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:28,680
Like if you have your business
done, This is why Led Zeppelin

1572
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:30,840
and Led Zeppelin had a lot of
bootlegs too.

1573
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,120
But This is why Led Zeppelin
were so insulated.

1574
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:37,240
This is why Iron Maiden today
are so insulated.

1575
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,760
If you can't get in, Metallica
have now done this.

1576
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:42,720
If you're not in the circle, if
you're not part of their

1577
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:44,720
organization, you don't get
access to the band.

1578
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:46,160
You don't get access to any of
their stuff.

1579
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:48,400
They learned that through the
Napster mistake.

1580
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:52,480
Somebody in their organization,
at their record company, their

1581
01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:55,720
management, whomever it was
leaked those songs out.

1582
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:58,800
They didn't just escape from the
studio.

1583
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:04,080
Somebody internally blew it, and
it was specifically.

1584
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:07,080
That I disappear song initially,
right?

1585
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,640
That was the one.
That that seems to be the, the,

1586
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:12,440
the tipping point.
And that was for the Mission

1587
01:18:12,440 --> 01:18:16,840
Impossible soundtrack, correct?
So they delivered it to somebody

1588
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:21,520
who played it for somebody who
made a copy of it and they

1589
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:25,360
uploaded it.
So those songs don't just if you

1590
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:28,920
control the flow of the music,
you control who gets to consume

1591
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,080
it.
Somebody in their organization

1592
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:36,480
betrayed trust.
Or or or somebody.

1593
01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:38,680
Played it and somebody, look, I,
I can tell you I've worked at

1594
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:41,520
radio stations where they would
come in and they would give us,

1595
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:44,400
they would give us the CD single
and we would play the CD single

1596
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:48,880
while behind the stereo where
RCA outs into a recording

1597
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:50,960
device.
So that when they played this,

1598
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:55,000
that's why the people started
showing up with Discman and not

1599
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:58,240
giving us the records because,
because the radio companies

1600
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:00,600
would steal the music or the
where the record company would

1601
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,360
steal the music to try to be the
first one to play the song.

1602
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:06,160
And then we would get a cease
and desist letter.

1603
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,320
From the record company, but.
Once it's in the wild, somebody

1604
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:13,200
betrayed trust that.
Wasn't.

1605
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:14,640
That wasn't.
It wasn't.

1606
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,120
Nobody stole that music from
Metallica.

1607
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:21,200
Somebody in Metallica's
organization made the fatal

1608
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:23,640
mistake of playing it.
For somebody to make a copy of

1609
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,320
it got you and.
Then that person uploaded.

1610
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:28,640
It Yeah.
And then there you go.

1611
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:31,280
Large was right.
It was right.

1612
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:33,400
Absolutely.
You know by the way the.

1613
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:37,880
Record industry is at fault
because it was Philips, Magnavox

1614
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:41,400
and Sony and these record
companies and electronics

1615
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:45,400
companies that developed digital
lossless audio so that you can

1616
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:48,480
make an absolutely perfect copy
of something digitally and not

1617
01:19:48,480 --> 01:19:52,520
lose any audio quality.
So the industry is responsible

1618
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:54,400
for the downfall of its
industry.

1619
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:57,280
It aid itself.
That's a great point.

1620
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:00,400
That's amazing.
Philips.

1621
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:03,760
Magnavox and, and Sony and, and
the companies that are

1622
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:08,080
responsible or the creation of
digital audio and the CD and,

1623
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:12,120
and, and being able to duplicate
audio perfectly without any loss

1624
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,480
of quality of audio quality,
right.

1625
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,520
The kids didn't come up with
that, no.

1626
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:18,960
No.
That that.

1627
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:23,760
Came from the industry, so you
look in the mirror.

1628
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:30,480
Sometimes perfection leads to
your downfall and it's

1629
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:33,400
interesting to hear that kids
are buying CDs again and buying

1630
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:36,720
vinyl again.
Vinyl that used to pay 498 for

1631
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,480
at 0 records is now 30 bucks. 40
bucks.

1632
01:20:39,480 --> 01:20:41,760
I know it's it's insane.
Man, it's insane.

1633
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:43,760
Crazy 40.
Dollars creeping up.

1634
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:46,840
We're creeping.
Up on 12:00 and this is when you

1635
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,440
used to get the lead out.
So give us some, give us 3 Led

1636
01:20:49,440 --> 01:20:50,960
Zeppelin songs.
You would play it right now if

1637
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,720
you were sitting in front of a
A, you know, the control panels

1638
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,120
at the radio station.
Well, you have to play.

1639
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,680
Something that is, that is well
known first.

1640
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:02,880
So you play Over the Hills and
Far away, which is encompasses

1641
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:06,280
everything that Led Zeppelin is
in one song.

1642
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:09,000
Then you.
Play a second.

1643
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:13,360
Song that people know something
like when the Levee breaks

1644
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:16,080
because it's and that was that
was originally a blue.

1645
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,080
Song they covered, I don't know
if a lot of people know that.

1646
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:19,000
Correct.
Yeah, Yeah.

1647
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:21,360
Good point.
And then thank you, Mike.

1648
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:24,480
Forget who did the original 1,
It'll come to me.

1649
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:26,160
I don't remember.
Who did the original?

1650
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:27,880
One either.
But a Memphis?

1651
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:31,560
It might be Memphis Mini, I
think, I don't remember.

1652
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:35,800
And then the third one has to be
an Oh Wow song.

1653
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:38,000
So you play for your life from
present.

1654
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:39,360
OK.
Yeah, there you go.

1655
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:42,680
Because.
That's your Oh Wow.

1656
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:45,560
You got to reward people for
listening to 2 Led Zeppelin

1657
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:47,720
songs that they already know and
that they've probably heard

1658
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,360
enough times in their lifetime.
So the key of making We Get the

1659
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:52,440
let Out or any feature work is
if you're going to do a 2 for

1660
01:21:52,440 --> 01:21:55,320
Tuesday or a double shot or
something like that, first song

1661
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:58,600
has to be a huge hit and the
second song has to be an Oh wow

1662
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,600
song.
OK, who's your double shot of?

1663
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,760
Metallica, I mean you.
Start.

1664
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:06,080
You start with master puppets,
Yeah.

1665
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,480
Because it's 8 minutes.
Long and you get away with a

1666
01:22:09,480 --> 01:22:13,080
song that normally wouldn't get
on the radio and then you then

1667
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:14,640
you followed up with Low Man's
lyric.

1668
01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:18,880
Awesome.
Awesome, something that it's

1669
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:20,800
that you would.
Not expect to hear from

1670
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:24,000
Metallica low man's lyric or I
mean, you could go back and

1671
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:29,000
grab, you know, a creeping death
or yeah, you know, or a bread

1672
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:33,120
fan or something that, you know,
is is somewhat well known.

1673
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:37,040
But I'm a big fan of, you know,
I mean, obviously Enter Sandman,

1674
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:38,640
sad but true.
All those big songs.

1675
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:41,040
Those are the ones that you get
their attention with and then

1676
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:44,200
you keep them with something
that they may, may or may not be

1677
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:46,240
aware of.
That's awesome, man.

1678
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:49,120
That is awesome.
Hey, this is the Christian Mike

1679
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:50,360
show.
He's Paul Neander, Paul

1680
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:52,000
Marshall.
You can find him at Neander

1681
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:56,400
paul.com Absolute rock'n'roll
life resume legend.

1682
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:58,600
Thank you.
I hope you enjoyed it.

1683
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,120
I hope you enjoyed the time.
We appreciate your time Paul

1684
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:02,240
more.
You know, we know time is the

1685
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:05,400
most valuable commodity.
So this this has been something

1686
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:07,200
I've talked to Mike about
forever about getting you on the

1687
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:08,720
show.
So I'm super happy you were able

1688
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:11,600
to put us in your in your
schedule because you know,

1689
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:13,880
you're Paul Marshall, man, it's
nice of you.

1690
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:15,760
Thank you.
Well, you know, we're.

1691
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:18,600
Nice guys man, and you're super
cool human, so you know nothing

1692
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,280
but love, brother.
Speaking of which, if if you're

1693
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,160
feeling sad, depressed,
suicidal, don't do it.

1694
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:24,840
Go go scream in a pillow, go
journal.

1695
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:25,920
Go Flint, I'm going to talk to
you.

1696
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:27,920
Go work out, go run.
Go do something to change your

1697
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:29,680
mindset.
If for some reason you cannot do

1698
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,720
that, text 988.
Someone is standing there ready

1699
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:35,360
to talk to you off that Cliff.
You're a better person because

1700
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:36,560
you wake up in the world
tomorrow.

1701
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:39,000
Don't leave a hole in somebody
else's heart because you choose

1702
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,000
not to do so.
You are loved.

1703
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:42,560
You are cared about whether you
know it or not.

1704
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,040
So 988, if you need some help,
text that number right now.

1705
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:48,040
I'm Chris, he's Mike.
And again, this is Paul

1706
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:49,640
Marshall.
Thank you so much for your time.

1707
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:51,480
Thanks again.
Really appreciate your pleasure

1708
01:23:51,480 --> 01:23:53,120
to meet.
You, you're going to find,

1709
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:54,600
you're going to land.
On your feet because you're

1710
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:56,760
just, you're too cool of a human
not to land on your feet.

1711
01:23:56,760 --> 01:24:00,080
So very kind.
We will we will call all the.

1712
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:03,080
People we know and have them
hire you and I would come back.

1713
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:05,720
To Phoenix in a heartbeat.
If there were a job, yeah.

1714
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:07,360
No, we'd love you back in.
Phoenix, I regret.

1715
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:08,360
I regret.
You're missed.

1716
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:11,120
Big mistake.
You, you Yeah, you're you're

1717
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:11,960
missed.
You're missed.

1718
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:13,680
When KDKB changed format it
went.

1719
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:18,000
You know, just saying.
There's the ghost, there's the

1720
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:21,800
ghost, whatever that's about
then.

1721
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:23,280
But love, man, we'll see you
guys next week.

1722
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:24,840
Thanks, peace.
Best of luck.

1723
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:26,640
Man peace.
Don't leave yet, Paul.

1724
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:28,880
We got to make sure you're
uploaded the place.

1725
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:30,480
Where