#194 - Sean Martin "Part Two" - The Quarantined

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I just saw somebody walk to my
front door.

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I see I'm right there.
I do too.

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Whoa.
Everybody.

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Listen to me. 81 countries.
I'm going to chill you.

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Yeah, I really AM.
You know I'm going to be Sean.

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You know I'm going to be what?
What free main?

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Free main.
Yeah, what's up to the boys and

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girls?
Welcome to the Christian Mike

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today we have Part 2 of Sean
Martin, which just amazing life

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resume.
In fact, it's we're so excited

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to have him back on.
Mike was talking before the show

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and I had to stop him for the
golden moment thing.

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So I'm going to sit back and
Mike's just going to take it

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away.
This is the first.

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Go ahead, Mike.
I don't know if it's a first.

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Or maybe a second, Maybe a.
Second, maybe 1/3.

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What do I do?
No.

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Welcome back, Sean.
Thank you.

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Thanks so much for having me.
Recently I've noticed that

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you've been dropping some clips
on Instagram.

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You've probably been dropping
them elsewhere too.

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I know you said you had over
1,000,000 views on TikTok on.

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One of the million streams on
TikTok.

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We've gotten well over like 40
million on Tik.

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We went on streams on Spotify.
That's 1000. 40 million or or

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more on TikTok, through
Instagram influence through

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through influencers, through,
you know, those different

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channels.
It's, it's crazy how how much

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that really does boost the
visibility of things.

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It's it's got to be another way
that people understand about.

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Now, what clip was that for that
you were promoting here recently

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on Instagram?
Oh, I've I've actually been so I

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I've started to create a a a new
schedule for it.

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So I have a bunch of clips from
Recording at Sound Emporiums and

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Recording at Blackbird, and I'm
going to be promoting each one

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of the songs from Aversion to
Normalcy and the album as a

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whole continuously.
So it's not just one time and be

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like, oh, that's then everybody
saw it.

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No, I'm going to be beating you
over the head.

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Repeated, repeated, you know,
over and over again and giving

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new new, you know, ways to, to
hear and interact with with the

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music and get a good visual for
what we're doing.

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I've got a new clip that I just
made with a new program and I'm

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super excited about it.
It's a nice little 32nd clip,

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but it incorporates for unspoken
recording it Sound Emporium.

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It's got little clips of me
playing guitar, doing the vocals

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and the drummer who was just
tearing it up in there.

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And you get a good sense of the
live room and and the the song

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going behind it really, you
know, really simple.

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Not like not a crazy big thing.
It took me about a couple of

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hours because it was my first
video.

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I'm planning on making them
quicker and that's the kind of

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content that I'm going to be
putting out consistently along

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with the podcast stuff.
So it's, it's, it's going up,

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man.
Like people are are are

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definitely interested in it and
it's, it's good.

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So how could that be?
You're Sean Martin.

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Are you still in the studio now
or are those clips from?

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No, those clips were from those
clips were from last year.

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I've been holding on to those
for an entire year because of

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different, I was trying
different things and I was going

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to see if they came through and
they didn't come through.

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So I was holding the back and
now I've got to use, now I've

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got to use them.
So yeah, those, those, those

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clips are older, but they're
still good.

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Oh yeah, the drum sound I was
hearing was huge.

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And the one that you just
released maybe in the last week?

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Oh yeah.
That guy's a monster.

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Oh yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah, it was I, I can't remember
which one it was, but it was

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either Jerry Rowe or or David
Keith.

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And both of those guys are just
awesome session musicians in in

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in Nashville.
And both of them actually are

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are touring with artists right
now.

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David Keith is with Lilani
Kilgore and Jerry Rowe is

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touring with Friendship
Commanders.

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They just did AUS tour, now
they're going to do a European

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Tour.
Is that where that studio's at

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is in Nashville?
Where?

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You were recording?
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Blackbird is in Nashville.
Yeah, Along with Sound Emporium,

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Yeah.
Well, the sounds you were

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getting out of there are amazing
because, you know, we've

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discussed this on the podcast
before.

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The clips that are released on
the Internet are super

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compressed.
So if they sound great.

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And by that I mean, when you
listen to something on ACD or a

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album even more preferably,
you're getting the full sound.

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You hear people describe it as
warmer, you're just getting out

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more of the frequency spectrum.
Your stuff sounds great at a

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compressed rate.
So I I can't wait to hear the

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WAV files, you know, the way
that they were intended because

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your sense of timing, the tones
you chose and then production is

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everything.
So kudos to the guys who

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recorded it.
Oh yeah, yeah, that's Nathan

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Yarbrough.
He's he's worked with corn

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hailstorm evanescence.
Oh, right on.

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Wow, he he's Alice In Chains.
He's he's small names.

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Yeah, just a few you might have
heard of before.

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Yeah, He's, he's unbelievable
man.

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And he, he keeps his, his nose
to the grindstone.

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He's working constantly.
I've still got more stuff that

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that I'm, I'm coming out with
him.

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We've got a new version of
Unspoken that we're that we're

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going to be releasing.
We're working on right now.

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Zach just finished his parts for
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So that's the violin and guitars
and the lead guitars.

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So it's going to be it's going
to take it to a whole nother

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level.
And you know, we're we've got

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another single Instagram hell to
release and and we've got a a

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whole big process.
And Nathan was, was involved in

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all of those and he's, he's
really is an absolutely amazing

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producer and, and totally down
to earth, man.

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Like it's, there's really, it's,
it's not some big flashy thing.

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It's like he's like this is this
is how the the sausage gets made

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and this is what it is.
How much did he have to do with?

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One of the things that you and
Chris have in common that I like

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in a style of a singer is the
way you hold the notes out and

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where you choose to do that
right.

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Am I going to hold it?
Am I gonna hold it for thank you

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that long?
Thank you.

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Or am I gonna hold it for, yeah,
you know, just two beats?

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Look at that.
I blurred.

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I blurred his image When I did
that, did you see that on my

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end?
His his his feet blurred, and

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that wasn't even like in key as
probably as sharp as fuck, but

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hey you.
Know how much did he have to do

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with your vocal style or is that
just all you?

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That was pretty much me.
He he was kind of gave it up to

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me and was like, is like, go
ahead, because in, in a way, you

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know, that I was, I was hoping
that that I could get like, you

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know, some, some crazier kind of
like vocal production, but he

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was like, no, dude, just just
keep it simple.

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You've got.
OK, you got the thing.

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You don't need to.
I want crazy.

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Yeah.
I want I want to touch on that

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though, because when I was with
that the the band, we don't

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speak of the last one I was in,
we went to Nashville and we were

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produced by Tony Migliore, which
is the guy who plays the piano

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on Bye Bye Miss American Pie.
He played with that dude.

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Really super cool guy, right.
And then the sound engineers,

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engineers behind the thing, the
post production super Susie and

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Skip and Susie, super nice
people.

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Like they did some back vocal.
Anyway, where I'm going with

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this is I expected to go into
the studio with a producer and

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then have him be a little bit
more directive on perhaps how I

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was singing certain songs or how
I was doing certain things.

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Just as a from a delivery
standpoint, like one of the one

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of the songs we recorded called
Fracture Me when I when I laid

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down this, this this was the
second time we were there.

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So the first the first four were
all want done in one day.

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Then we went to the studio in
Brentwood.

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I laid down the the the first
track for fraction.

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He's like, he comes to the
Microsoft.

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So you're all just scream
singing.

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And I was like, well, yeah,
Tony, but I'm screaming in key

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man.
Like do you have any, you have

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any insight for that?
He's like, no, I like it.

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So, but I, I really thought from
a producer standpoint, because

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when you listen to all the
music, right, that we listen to

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in our lifetime, I find it
really hard to believe that

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every single vocalist, you and I
included, Sean, walk into a

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studio and what we're doing is
the absolute best that we can do

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without a producer saying, well,
just do this.

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Come up here knocked over or
come back down a little bit or

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follow the groove this way or,
or wait, wait a half a step or

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wait, coming up one step early.
You know what I'm saying?

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So I was, I was surprised by
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Were you surprised by?
That yeah, I was well.

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Well, it's there wasn't nothing.
There was still good, good

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development and there was still.
But once he understood what I

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was going for and also what my
limitations were, then then it

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was a lot easier for him to
suggest the things to do.

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And a lot of times I knew
exactly when I didn't get it,

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like if I get 90% of it, but
just that one note wasn't quite

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enough.
Like I wasn't paying attention

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to it close enough.
Like eventually we would both be

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like that one part.
Yeah, that one part.

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OK, go back and record.
I think that's the key right

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there, having sat on the other
side of the board for Chris and

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for many other vocalists as a
live sound engineer and in the

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studio, that's the key.
If you walk in either one of you

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guys and your timing is right,
but you're missing notes all

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over the place, I have no other
choice as the engineer, the

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producer, but to say listen to
it and do you want to live with

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that, right.
If you're happy with it being on

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a key, then we're going to go
with it.

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But I think that guy's job, more
than anything is to make sure

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the timing is right.
You're starting and stopping

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where you want to, but more
importantly than that, you two

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walk into a studio as seasoned
singers who have played

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countless shows.
You don't get stage fright, you

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don't get nervous.
Being a performer.

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That's 90% of a producer's job
is to pull that live performance

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out of you in a very hostile
environment, right?

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And the other thing I will say
now that you what what you

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shared Sean, because the first
day we were in Nashville

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recording that album.
I don't know if I don't know if

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we told you this story or if it
was somebody else, but we did it

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was it was basically a 12 hour
day where I thought I was laying

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scratch vocals the whole time.
So it was all live recording and

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I was in my vocal booth and I I
sang every time we played the

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song.
And at the end of the day, he's

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I was like, I need to do my
vocal tracks.

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He's like, no, you did them.
So that may and those are four

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different songs.
So that may have laid the

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foundation for for Day 2 and
Brentwood that he already knows

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what I can and can't do.
Yeah.

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But at the same time, I mean,
there, there is there is a

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question that that I would that
I would have.

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If you're, if you're going in
there as a band and you're at

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that point where you want to do
at least a double of a vocal,

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where where it's you, where it's
you singing off of yourself, I

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think that's a good idea.
No, I think you're.

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Really gonna lose.
So if he didn't do that, I

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would, I would say that that
producer wasn't really doing all

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the justice that you guys.
Really deserve we we we did

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those things after the fact,
like on on before like day 2, we

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were there 3A total three times.
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we went back to each song and
that's when we kind of do the

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layers and the backing vocals
and the other and the other

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tracks and shit that like that.
We want to do like a song called

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Shadow by your side.
I'd went through and I whisper

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sang it kind of like Morrison
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riders on the storm.
Yeah, because because Shadow by

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your side is, is about Michael
love this.

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It's it's about a stalker, but
from the stalker's point of

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view, like I'm a shadow by your
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So so if you listen really
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The Shadow.
It's just a soft whisper the

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whole track.
It's another layer of the song.

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So we did go back and kind of
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one.
But but just when you when you

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mentioned that, I think, OK,
well, maybe that kind of gave an

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understanding.
And then there was all, and then

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the the Susie and Spike, Susie
and Spike, that's what they came

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in and did the sound engineering
and kind of with Tony there.

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And they kind of put all the
pieces together and like, let's

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do these elements.
Let's have some reverb here.

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Let's have some echoing here.
All that kind of fun stuff.

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You do, you know, the little
panning in your head and shit.

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Like Shadow's really cool
because it's a headphone song,

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which I loved.
You know, you put the headphones

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on, you're like, oh, I'm
fucking, I'm going on a journey,

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man.
Oh yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.
And those, those things are,

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are, are very important.
A lot of times it's, you know,

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they did it right in that way to
get a panel of people to make

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sure that one person isn't
overburdened with, you know,

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with a glorious purpose.
We'll say that it's better to

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share that between people and
especially with the band so that

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you get their input.
But I will say in support of of,

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you know, the opposite side of
my point.

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I have also done when I recorded
Antiquate Hate, I had a vocal

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producer there and he was the
vocal teacher for M and I he was

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the he was the guy who did the
the extreme vocal classes.

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So he knew how to develop a
little bit more of the instead

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of just you want to get, you
know, there's a so he can so he

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can change that, that tone a
little bit or listen to exactly.

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But at the same time, he didn't
know every single thing that I

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felt like I was failing at.
And after a while I had to stop

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and be like, I feel like I'm I'm
failing at all of this And he

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had to stop me and be like,
dude, stop it.

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You're in your own head.
You're destroying yourself for

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no good reason.
You're doing fine.

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Stop it.
That one second other got over

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that and we could build, you
know, build the thing to where

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we could have the a good
communication and I didn't feel

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like he was just OK, whatever.
Then then we really got all of

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the work done that we wanted to
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That's.
Just like that guy did for

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Chris.
That's another good job of a

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producer is to make sure that
you're not destroying your

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voice, right.
Right, that's a good point too,

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because I remember as you said
that you know how you think.

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Oh, that's right.
I would take my vocal coach was

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name, his name was Michael.
I would take once we figured out

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the song and I figured out the
song for that last band, I would

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I would go and sing it for him
in my class with him, right, my

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session, whatever.
And he would give me little

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nuances because some of the
songs were kind of out of my

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style.
But that's what we were, you

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know, they wanted to do.
So I wasn't super comfortable

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with some of them.
Yeah.

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But I can recall going to
Michael say, hey, you know, I

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don't dig this.
Like the song Tomorrow Never

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comes.
I like the lyrics of it, but I

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hate how it's sung.
Just fucking hate how it's sung.

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But he helped me kind of because
it's not it's, it was out of my

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norm, you know?
Because of the music that was

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laid underneath it.
It was just out of it was, yeah,

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it was just out of my style.
You know my style, Mike.

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It was just, it was just out of
my style.

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If you go listen to that,
you'll, you'll, I think you'll,

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you'll get the sense of what I'm
saying.

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It just.
Yeah, it.

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I don't know.
It's just it was meant to be

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kind of a tearjerker.
Hey, you know, I wrote it about

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Nick and me being on the road
and, you know, tomorrow will

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come, you know, like, just hang
on, you know, tomorrow will

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come.
I'll be home tomorrow.

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Even though tomorrow was the
next day and then the next day

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and then the next day, you know,
from, from a poet poetry

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standpoint, fucking cool.
Melody wise, I liked it, but it

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just it wasn't, it wasn't my
comfort zone in how I like to

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sing so.
Yes, I already have an idea in

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my head of what I would put to
that.

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Right.
So Michael Michael kind of made

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sure it was shaped the way it
should have been, you know, and

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then the people in Nashville,
they they liked all of our stuff

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and they gave me some really
nice compliments that I didn't,

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I don't think I was supposed to
hear, but I heard, which was

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cool.
They they, they kind of referred

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to me to another very popular
singer.

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And I was just, I was, I was
sitting in this backroom that

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the door was open, but I didn't,
I don't think the new one was

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there.
And when I heard that I was

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like, Oh, and I'm not going to
drop names because I'm not that

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person, but I was like, oh, oh,
fuck, that's cool, you know, and

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they didn't have to auto tune
me, which I thought was cool.

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There's there's there's one of
my holdouts in one of the songs

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that they probably could have
auto tuned me because I I dip a

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little bit, but I like the fact
that it's dips there because

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it's like it's real and it's raw
and it's happy accident.

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It's not overproduced and I
think that holds value.

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You know, not everything's
supposed to be perfect, you

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know?
No, that's why we all still love

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music from the 70s.
Because.

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Yeah, yeah.
It's not perfect.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, they weren't snapped

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to a grid on a computer.
They were.

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This is as close as it.
And that feel is what they were

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looking for anyway.
They didn't want things to be

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perfectly in time.
It's Rock'n'roll.

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Yes, yeah.
They're supposed to be a swing

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to.
It's all about the Rock'n'roll.

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Yeah, that as, as long as
they're grooving together, if

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they're all together, fantastic.
If they're, as long as they're

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all grooving together and, and I
mean, sometimes they could take

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the, you know, do the vocals
separate sometimes.

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Not every time.
It wasn't until much later that

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they were like, oh, like in the
80s when that really started to

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happen.
So yeah.

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Well, on COVID that happened all
the time and I can't imagine

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being a band during COVID and
recording an album where you're

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you're each in a different part
of the country.

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I just, there's so much to be
said for rehearsing and then

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going out live and and taking
that same song live and, and

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how, and you can relate to this,
Sean, how it changes because you

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feed off the crowd, you feed off
the energy.

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It's always faster live.
So because it's a little bit

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faster live, then you start
getting these other little

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nuances.
I like the improv when we were

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when we were playing live with
certain songs at certain points

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and I learned I could do that
more and more live than I could

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just at rehearsal.
And then when we back to

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rehearsal the next day or day
after that, then I would start

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incorporating that back into
rehearsal.

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So then became a second nature
and it became part of the song.

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Like muscle well.
He just said something very

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important that you just touched
on earlier to the over produced

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thing.
In the 80s things started

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getting so overproduced.
They had a huge compressed drum

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sound which you can recreate
live.

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That's not a problem.
But the separated, like Sean

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said, going in an ISO booth and
singing by yourself, you know

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where the band's already pre
recorded.

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That became a problem for a lot
of bands going out and playing

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live.
Like Chris said, those guys

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can't pull that off live.
If you stack 12 layers of vocals

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on top to make that main vocal
sound, how are you going to

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recreate that live?
Yeah, Yeah.

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You know, a guy like Jeff Tate
can do it.

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He was a trained opera singer.
He taught Yeah, music at the

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collegiate level.
You know, somebody like that can

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go out and pull it off.
And Chris and I both saw it.

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I don't know if you ever saw
Queen Drake, but that was one of

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the most impressive things I've
ever seen in my life.

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That band was a force to be
reckoned with.

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Yeah.
And the.

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The last band to not get booed
off the stage?

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Opening up for Metallica, by the
way.

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Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

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Before Corn did it, when Chris
and I saw him, Corn was the

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first band to open up for
Metallica in like 6 years

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straight or something because
they just couldn't take anybody

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out and put it through that
punishment.

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So I think my point is, Chris is
right.

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We were a band that rehearsed
more than we recorded, so going

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in the studio wasn't a problem.
We were already well rehearsed.

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It wasn't something we feared.
And going out and playing live

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was something that we revered.
You know, we looked forward to

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it.
We weren't afraid of it.

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Yeah, yeah.
And you're doing all the

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rehearsing.
So like it's, it's good to be

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able to take that, that do the
process of taking the stuff from

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the live and incorporating it so
it becomes second nature.

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So how much thought do you put
into that?

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Like when you're writing and
recording, how much thought do

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you put into, I have to pull
this off live?

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And you know, what kind of
studio magic do you use and

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throw out versus I guess my, my
question is how much thought do

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you put into that?
Because like Chris said, we did

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put a lot of thought into that.
Yeah, essentially I, I don't

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consider it because everything
that I write and and play, I

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play and sing as I'm making the
song.

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So I I bring it up to a point to
where I can play and sing

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everything.
And then I separate everything

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so that I can just play the
guitar, just do the vocals for

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the studio.
And ironically enough, there's

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only one song that I've done in
which the process of

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reconnecting them has taken
much, much longer than I

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thought, and that's with
Nemesis.

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It's really hard for me to play
and sing that song and play and

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do the, and do the, the verse
and like all of that, right?

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It's it's hard for me to to do
that Nemesis friend of mine

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song.
Together, it's OK.

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You can name drop Bart Band all
you want man.

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Nothing but love, brother.
Yeah, it's, it's hard for me for

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me to do the, to do that.
But all the rest of them, I, I,

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I do them no problem.
And I and I play them and sing

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them, you know, all together.
That's awesome.

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But we were, Mike and I were
that way.

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We were, we were adamant.
So I went away from microphone.

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We were adamant.
We were creating Nemesis music.

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That anything we do live,
anything we do in the studio, we

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have to be able to do live.
Yeah.

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Like that was it.
There was nothing.

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There was nothing we wanted to
do from a recording standpoint

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that we couldn't replicate live
because we thought what we were

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doing was was unique enough that
it didn't need to have a lot of

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the over what?
The over produced stuff, over

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produced product, right.
Yeah.

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And that was back in the 90s
too.

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I mean, it's a whole different
world now.

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So you know.
It, it is, you know, one of the

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things I was going to say is a
friend of mine, Alex Kalis, who

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plays in the band Bat Farm.
I went and saw her.

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Playing.
At bat Farm, yeah, I I saw her

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00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:39,400
playing at a local show in in
Los Angeles and she's got the

446
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:44,200
she lines up like a a triple
track of her vocals to go along

447
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,440
with her.
And it's really dope, like in in

448
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:52,600
a small venue like that, to hear
like a four person version of 1

449
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,040
of 1 singer just come at you at
different points and like stabs

450
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,560
and background vocals.
Yeah, is actually really cool.

451
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,680
You know who else has been doing
that?

452
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,160
That her whole career is Amy Lee
from Evanescence.

453
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:04,320
Right.
Yes, the.

454
00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:06,880
Drummer triggers all her
background vocals.

455
00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:09,080
Yeah, he.
He's got one of those Simmons

456
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,720
pads next to him.
And when it's time for those to

457
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,520
come up since who would you
count on more for the timing

458
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,480
than the drummer, right?
He knows right when to start

459
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,800
those background vocals, and
he's got a way to stop them.

460
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,040
And that's her singing in the
studio to herself, right?

461
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,080
Live.
Yep, yeah.

462
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,720
And that's a very legit thing
that.

463
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,600
Yeah, it's a very legit thing
that lots of, lots of bands do

464
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,120
nowadays that really wasn't
available in the 90s.

465
00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:37,800
Like the sampling stuff was
there, but to get the good

466
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,480
recorded audio inside the
samples was much more difficult

467
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,200
and took a great technical to.
Chris's point earlier, our last

468
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,920
guest that we just had, if you
wanted to do that in the 50s,

469
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,840
sixties, you know, before the,
the time period you're bringing

470
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,040
up, you had to bring 9
background singers on the road

471
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,640
with you, 3 or 4 I think she
said there was there.

472
00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,760
Was nine.
Well, yeah, there's, there's 9

473
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:00,920
total people in the band.
Yeah.

474
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,240
And you're right, 3 or 4
background singers, correct.

475
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

476
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,960
So that's the only way you could
do it.

477
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,040
And then you have to pay all
those people so.

478
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,600
Yeah.
Now you have this technology

479
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,560
available to you.
If you're able to do that and

480
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,840
it's you doing it, I can accept
that, right?

481
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,800
I saw Evanescence.
It was one of the most

482
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,400
impressive things I've ever seen
from a vocal standpoint.

483
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,680
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And you know, just recently I

484
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:33,720
saw on the Colbert show, I think
your name was Ray, I think where

485
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,280
she had like a, a, a, a section
of background singers that was

486
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,800
like 16 people deep plus an
entire.

487
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:40,640
Orchestra.
Wow.

488
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,760
Holy smokes.
Yeah, it's like, damn.

489
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,240
Like she was doing it old
school, like really old school.

490
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,760
And every single one of the the
vocalists behind her had a

491
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:54,400
separate part and they were all
very, very animated about it.

492
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,400
It it was quite an impressive
thing.

493
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,560
And like most of the time I
don't look at that, but I was

494
00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:59,400
like.
This is what?

495
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,360
This is what blows my mind.
Somebody heard that.

496
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,240
Somebody heard that in their
head like Prince.

497
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,960
OK, Prince, it's it's it's said
to be, it's said to be that.

498
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,160
Prince has enough material to
release an album every week for

499
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,400
100 years.
OK.

500
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,920
So he heard that in his head
like he hurt, he hurt.

501
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,640
He had to have heard all the
parts in his head, right?

502
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,440
Like I can't, I just hear, I
just hear my melody.

503
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,480
I don't, I don't hear, I don't
hear.

504
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,360
I should background this, I
should background that or I

505
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:28,240
should do that.
But so to your .19 people on

506
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,320
stage, somebody in that band,
whoever created that concept,

507
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,080
it's like Mozart, they heard
that shit in their head.

508
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,720
That is a really full head of
just stuff that I can't imagine

509
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,960
ever going to sleep at night.
But it's always fascinated me

510
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,200
that that I I love to just be
able to talk to Prince and be

511
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,560
like, dude, how how do you hear
all those little things?

512
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,760
Like, how is that possible in,
in, in your brain while you're

513
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,640
sitting there in the studio just
to hear, oh, well, I could get a

514
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,800
violin over here and I got the
piano playing here and the bass

515
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,120
over here, the guitar over here
and drums are going to do that.

516
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,360
And then I need a back.
And like, it just blows my mind.

517
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,720
It's just it's that's why I like
Metallica's S and name is such a

518
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,160
fascinating recording to me
because they took all their

519
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,200
music and did this twist on it.
But in my head, it made it

520
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:13,920
heavier.
Yeah.

521
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,960
Oh, for sure.
You know, So Michael came in,

522
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,680
was a genius in that to to
convince them, hey, we should do

523
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,240
this and that.
I just I, I wish I could just

524
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,680
sit down with somebody that had
that brain and be like, how do

525
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,840
you hear this shit?
What is it that, that what,

526
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,600
what's it start with?
Like, what do you start with?

527
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,120
Like, Mike starts with the
guitar riff and that's where my

528
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,880
my my muse starts kicking in for
lyrics, right?

529
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,640
Well then as a as a guitar
player, then you hear all the

530
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,200
rest of the parts.
They, they just, they have to be

531
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,400
there in a certain way to fit in
that music.

532
00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:48,480
You, yeah.
There's a you.

533
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,680
Just don't have the vernacular.
You actually do it.

534
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,480
You just don't know it.
Like think about Freeman when

535
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,840
you had the idea to put the
bullhorn.

536
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,640
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
Those are those same stacking

537
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,880
ideas that you're not giving
yourself credit for, or the

538
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:10,160
whisper part in the background
or the spoken word part in the

539
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,200
background that we did on
certain songs.

540
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,000
I can't.
I think we did a whisper on

541
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,040
Listen to Your Sin or a spoken
word.

542
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,360
Those kind of ideas are those
same.

543
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,400
It's the same concepts.
Sean is a guitar player and a

544
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,120
vocalist together.
He's going to hear either the

545
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:31,200
same melody he's singing to or
he's going to hear a counter

546
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,320
melody that he's going to play,
which those are the ones that

547
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:39,640
always kill me with Hetfield is
how he can play 1 melody on a

548
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,520
guitar and sing another melody
with his voice.

549
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,960
Yeah, they, they, I would say,
yeah, you're, you're, you're

550
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,040
real close on it.
And I think of it in the terms

551
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:55,160
of, of color palettes.
So the violins have a, they're

552
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,040
like this.
The guitars, there's many

553
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:03,280
different ways in which a guitar
has a tambour in it, a tone, and

554
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:08,400
each instrument has a place and
a function.

555
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:14,080
And once you start getting used
to what they're, what the

556
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,280
baseline for each of those is
and have that inside of of your

557
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,600
head.
So you've heard it enough that

558
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,400
you can start superimposing it
off of one thing that you hear.

559
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,640
So I would say that in the same
way, like he's pointing out, you

560
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,880
think of the the different
tambours and palettes of the

561
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,480
vocal, because that's the the
instrument that you're the most

562
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,440
used to.
But if you were the most used to

563
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,320
sitting around in it with cello
players the whole time, you'd be

564
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,680
hearing cello parts all over the
fucking place.

565
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,920
And if you spent the time to
really do that with every

566
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:54,040
instrument, then you could hear
somebody go and you go.

567
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,080
I hear the whole orchestra
behind that, you know, yes.

568
00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,720
That.
May be something stupid you

569
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,880
could do it.
So it's it takes a level of

570
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,960
training and understanding and
honestly you're already at least

571
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,120
50% of the way there.
Yeah, OK.

572
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,760
That totally makes sense the.
Other 50% for him is simply that

573
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,880
a lot of times he just doesn't
have the words because yeah,

574
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,560
he's not an instrumentalist,
right?

575
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,840
So he's not going to tell you
the songs in AG and E, right?

576
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,880
Right.
Yeah, the vocabulary.

577
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:29,000
But he understands his frequency
spectrum of his voice like

578
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,240
nobody I've ever been with.
Who me because you, because you

579
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,560
would, well, you would be the
guy to say when we were

580
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,880
recording, very rarely what I
have to say, we're going to have

581
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,760
to do that again.
You would say, I know what I

582
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:42,600
did.
I fucked up.

583
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,320
I didn't start on time or I hit
a bad note.

584
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,960
Just run it again.
I know where I messed up right

585
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,960
when Sean was describing that I
totally heard you singing in my

586
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,640
bathroom in my apartment.
We would stop and he'd be like,

587
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,040
I didn't start on the right
spot.

588
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,360
I'm going to try it in a
different spot or something like

589
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,520
that, OK?
I remember that.

590
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,360
OK, I guess you're right.
I just don't.

591
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,320
I just, I don't know.
I don't understand where.

592
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,840
You critic, man.
I don't understand music theory

593
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,560
at a level like Joseph.
You know, Joseph's a classically

594
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,040
trained, another guest that we
had.

595
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,840
He's a classically trained
guitar player.

596
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,680
He can look at a piece of music
and tell you what's happening.

597
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,640
I can't do that.
I can tell you that the songs in

598
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,520
the key of G because that's the
route and that's where I started

599
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,720
and that's what Chris is singing
in.

600
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,160
You know, here's the rest of the
chords and I can name every note

601
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,280
on the guitar.
I can tell you the simple

602
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,480
scales.
I can get somebody from not

603
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,360
knowing something to an
intermediate level player, but

604
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:42,160
talking advanced theory and
we're going to play a Mixolydian

605
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:48,000
scale over AD 7A augmented, you
know, I can't do that.

606
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,440
I love that.
I just know this chord sounds

607
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,120
cool.
I just, I sang by ear.

608
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,480
I just sang by ear.
MM would be like, we're playing

609
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,000
in this key and and he'd hit the
thing on the guitar and I'd be

610
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,360
like, OK.
Yeah.

611
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,680
Can you hit this note?
And he'd go, yeah, yeah.

612
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,360
I tried to I tried on my on to
to my to my benefit.

613
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,680
I tried, I went to I took a
music theory class.

614
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,480
I tried to learn how to read
music and shit.

615
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:14,640
It just it all went over my
head.

616
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,280
I just don't I don't have the
brain for that.

617
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,880
I'm that guy that Michael could
attest to it.

618
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,960
No matter what was going on.
Let's just fucking go jam, man.

619
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,040
Like everybody's shut up.
Let's go on stage now.

620
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,280
Let's let's go play.
Whether we were having, whether

621
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,880
it was good pre show or bad pre
show or like whatever show, OK,

622
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,680
can we go play now?
I just won't go.

623
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,560
Play now.
We almost didn't become advanced

624
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,360
level musician simply because we
all got along so well, you know?

625
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,200
We just like playing so much
that we just played it over and

626
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,000
over again until it worked.
Like if something was in a weird

627
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,360
time signature, I would think
that Scott was mad at me and

628
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,840
he's like, why would I be mad?
He's like, it's just weird,

629
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,240
dude.
You got to keep playing it so I

630
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,200
can figure out where the one is,
you know?

631
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,320
And then Chris would have to do
the same thing.

632
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,200
How long am I going to hold my
vocal out to get back to the

633
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,960
beginning of the verse or the
chorus or whatever?

634
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,960
Or he would tell us I need some
space here because I want to do

635
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,360
XY and Z.
You know?

636
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,200
He would have cool ideas for
like bridges and pre choruses

637
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:15,280
and things to do with his voice
that would lead his story from

638
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,760
one section to the next.
Right.

639
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,640
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

640
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,920
How much leeway do you give your
drummer, your bass player, your

641
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,600
'cause you're not recording
those parts right?

642
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,560
You're hiring a drummer and
elite guitar player is what I

643
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,000
heard.
How much leeway do you give

644
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:36,040
those guys?
I so here's the process.

645
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:44,120
We would play the song of the
the demo that I had for the song

646
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,120
that I wanted them to to re
record.

647
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,560
I would play it for him and they
would listen to it once and they

648
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,160
would map out the entire song
structure as they were listening

649
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,480
to it.
And they would also at the same

650
00:33:54,480 --> 00:34:00,640
time mark what the key was.
They would mark the bars, what

651
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,720
the phrases were, the main
phrases for each section.

652
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,679
So, you know, they would hear
the song and then after it would

653
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:09,920
be nodding along and be like,
oh, that's good.

654
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,159
That was a good choice.
They'd be talking to me the

655
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:13,840
whole time that they're writing
all of this down.

656
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,800
It was like watching a, you
know, some great multitasker

657
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:23,159
build a car and talk to you
about, you know, how to make

658
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:24,840
candles at the same fucking
time.

659
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,600
It was unbelievable to watch
them do that.

660
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,760
Like, because they're like, Oh
yeah, that was really, I love

661
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:30,840
that part.
That was a really good part.

662
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,520
And they, they would be writing
it down and continue to write

663
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,679
until after the song was done
and then set their, the papers

664
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,960
and they go, OK, so here's what
we, we want to do.

665
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,040
We want to do this and this and
this.

666
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,000
We're going to do this.
And so you, this part was like

667
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,679
this.
You want it like that?

668
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:45,360
And so they'd work out all the
little parts and they'd say, OK,

669
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,040
I think we're ready to go in.
They would go in and play it.

670
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,960
And I would let them get up to
their technical chops of, and

671
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,480
get there and get everything
under their fingers, under

672
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,440
their, you know, playing in
drums and, and whatever under

673
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,320
their rhythm hands.
I, I don't know whatever the

674
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,880
phrase is for drummers get it
under their feet I suppose.

675
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:11,400
And then I after I knew that,
that they were, that they knew

676
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:17,680
what they were doing, then I
would let them do 3 takes and

677
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,400
wait for them to go.
That was a good take.

678
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,640
And then I would listen to it
and I would say, and I would put

679
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,120
on my producer hat and say, what
else do I want from them?

680
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,600
And then I would think of the
next thing to say, hey, try it

681
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,640
like this.
Try it.

682
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,600
Do it.
Do this part like this.

683
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,040
What about this part?
What about this part?

684
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,000
Do you feel like you could do
something else?

685
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,640
I'm thinking of, you know, this
particular something, maybe a

686
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,400
little bit more Black Sabbath.
You think a little bit more

687
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,120
Muse, think a little bit more.
You know, some give them some

688
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,400
kind of reference and they go,
oh, got you.

689
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,800
And then they would go and do
that for another couple of takes

690
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,560
and I would let them tell me
what was good and then I would

691
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,400
assess, is it good enough?
Yeah, it's good enough.

692
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:05,880
Then I would.
Really like to be like.

693
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,440
That's good.
And then it it would roll like

694
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,800
that.
I really like that approach and

695
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,560
I never, I guess I never thought
about like the, you know, you're

696
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:19,440
probably going to get 80%
performance out of one of three

697
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,040
takes, right?
And you can piece the other two

698
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,600
together, right?
Right.

699
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,680
And from people that don't.
Know what we're talking about?

700
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,360
In the computer world, he's got
three different tracks of

701
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,120
guitars.
He can choose the best one that

702
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,360
goes 80% through and he can cut
the rest of it from the other

703
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,320
two and make one master track.
Right.

704
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,960
And and then from there, it's
just a, an overdub section it

705
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,000
they'll come back into the
control room, listen to

706
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,800
everything.
Sure, like Chris was down.

707
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:51,160
Earlier, go back in and do your,
you know, whisper parts or your

708
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,400
delays or your reverbs.
You can do that with your voice

709
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,160
later on, but you need that bass
track of the drums to start with

710
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,400
before you can overdub.
I mean, you need that bass track

711
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,720
of the rhythm guitar and the
lead guitar before you can fix

712
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:08,640
the little mistakes or nuances
that are wrong with it.

713
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,640
Right, exactly.
So yeah, what are the process?

714
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,520
The one cool thing too, and we
when no, you're good.

715
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,240
When when when I joined Nemesis,
which back then was desperate

716
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:22,160
Angel, it was just Mike Scott
and I, the drummer and Mike and

717
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,240
I.
So when we finally found the

718
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:28,040
bass player, it was kind of cool
from from a writing standpoint

719
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,480
to see how some of the songs
dynamic changed a little bit

720
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,320
because Rick fucking great bass
player.

721
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,280
I'm Shire William, great bass
player.

722
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,520
But there were certain songs
that when he brought his element

723
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,560
is like, Oh, I could latch onto
that, that beat.

724
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,760
And the music just went to I
agree with him 100%.

725
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,560
It if it was, if we thought it
was 100% there with Chris and

726
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,680
Scott and I, and we did when
Rick joined, it was like.

727
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,200
It went back.
William.

728
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,280
He's always going to start.
I know, but he gives me shit for

729
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,040
calling him.
Rick knows I'm like William.

730
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,920
I'm one of those guys.
You have to live with it.

731
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,960
I know, I know, I know anyone.
If we thought we were at 100%

732
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,280
when he joined, we immediately
went back to 60% because Chris

733
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:15,120
is right, we rewrote about 40%
of those songs as soon as he

734
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,080
walked out the door.
Scott's wife Carrie at the time

735
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,600
said that's the best you guys
have ever sounded and she heard

736
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,400
us from day one.
When Scott and I formed

737
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:31,440
Desperate Angel, before Chris
was ever even thought of, we

738
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,920
played one.
We didn't know we needed you

739
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,400
back then.
We played one gig with this guy

740
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:43,400
that just couldn't hack it and
the same thing happened when

741
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,600
Chris joined the band.
It was like, this is what I was

742
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,480
looking for all along.
You know, when I drove 2000

743
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,400
miles across the country with a
dream.

744
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,960
That's the kind of band I was
looking for.

745
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,120
Four guys who could get along
and write kick ass music and

746
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,240
just wanted to jam.
Yeah.

747
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,000
That's it.
Yeah.

748
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,440
I mean, that's it.
Wasn't about the hookers and

749
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,720
blow, man.
It was all about the

750
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,480
rock'n'roll.
That's a good line.

751
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,880
It wasn't about the hookers and
blow.

752
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,080
It was all about the
rock'n'roll.

753
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,800
I got a trademark that shit.
That's good, right?

754
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,720
Well, it's here now.
Yeah, it's it's here now.

755
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,720
It's trademarked on episode 194.
That was a it was a great line.

756
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,000
Wow.
Yeah, it was awesome.

757
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,040
But yeah, it's that, you know,
when you're especially when,

758
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:35,600
when I know that feeling and,
and it truly, that's that's the

759
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:41,440
thing that when you finally find
that it feels like, oh, now I

760
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,880
finally made it.
But that's really just the

761
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,760
beginning.
That's just the base level to

762
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:51,800
begin is, is in getting over
that, that that mountain is a

763
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,280
massive 1.
Like you said, you had to travel

764
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,720
2000 miles to do it.
I mean, I had to drive across

765
00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:58,440
the country multiple times.
I had to get, you know, an

766
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,240
entire 8 year history.
Of in the music industry, trying

767
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:04,800
to find the right people and
finding the right people and

768
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,480
having them be like, I've got
this other thing.

769
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,000
I've got to, I've got to go do
this other thing, that other

770
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,400
part of life that has taken me
away.

771
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,240
I don't have much of A choice
because I've got to do that.

772
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,040
And you know, sometimes that
they'll come in and out, but

773
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:25,120
the, the true, the truth of it
is, is that you can come back at

774
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,960
any time and, and get together
with, with any kind of musicians

775
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,360
when you keep up your own
ability.

776
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,800
And when you just happen to find
them, even more so because you

777
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,040
keep putting yourself out there,
then that's where the real goal

778
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,640
of of sharing the language of
music really is.

779
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,760
Well, that's how that's a, it's
a brotherhood, right?

780
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,240
Because once, once you stand on
stage with someone, nobody

781
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:53,080
understands that as you've been
there done that.

782
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,320
Nobody understands the anxiety
you feel before stepping on that

783
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,800
stage.
Nobody understands the

784
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,280
excitement when you you RIP off
your first, second, third song

785
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,680
in a row or whatever you ever,
you open your show and then you

786
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:11,360
have the crowd just cheering and
looking at you on stage.

787
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,440
Like what the fuck did we just
witness you?

788
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,760
Just you don't have that with
anybody else in the world.

789
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,600
So that's the unique thing about
musicians that we all share is,

790
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,920
is we know.
We know what it's like to go in

791
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,120
front of people that you've
never gone and stood in front of

792
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,960
before, the vulnerability and
anxiety that comes along with

793
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,160
that.
And some hostile crowds, man.

794
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,360
We opened up for Seven Dust, We
opened up for Sacred Reich, we

795
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,000
opened up for Armored St.
We opened up for some bands who

796
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,480
had what you would call loyal
fucking fans.

797
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,000
And if you were a band that
sucked in front of them, they

798
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,200
were not afraid to let you know.
Yeah.

799
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,680
We never experienced no,
thankfully, but we saw some

800
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,040
bands that were like good luck
fellas because they're pretty

801
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,040
rough, you know?
But that's the thing.

802
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,880
That's that's the thing.
That's that brotherhood, man,

803
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:01,240
that you.
That's what I'm saying that's a

804
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:05,120
whole nother level is to have
had the balls to get up there in

805
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:09,400
front of some of the like Sacred
Reich is of arguably founding

806
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,800
member of the thrash community.
They started in 1985.

807
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,040
You know, Metallica beat him by
two years.

808
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,840
Well, four years.
They started in 81.

809
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:22,400
So this is a band that had been
around forever, and we played at

810
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,400
places that hosted these kinds
of bands.

811
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,800
You know, Flotsam and Jetsam
stood on that stage and played

812
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,240
before Jason ever joined.
Jason what?

813
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,840
Jason Rainey and Jason Newsted
were roommates at one point.

814
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:37,400
He was there when he got the
call.

815
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:38,720
You know, we got to hear that
story.

816
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:41,160
That was so cool.
Yeah, wow.

817
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,760
So those are the kind of people
that were frequenting these

818
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,240
places and we're like, holy
shit, man, we hope they like us.

819
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:50,240
And they did, you know, we, we
had our shit together.

820
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,480
But to both of your guys's
points, if you're going to play

821
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,600
at that level, that's a
commitment that very few people

822
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,520
understand.
You know, it's not like you can,

823
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:01,560
oh, it's Saturday.
I'm going to go jam.

824
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,400
We're not not having played
Monday through Friday.

825
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,360
Yeah.
Right, But at the same time,

826
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,600
Shawn's point is when I think
that when you, when, if, if, if

827
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,840
you, if you moved to Arizona or
I moved to Illinois, it within a

828
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,280
week's time, we'd be jamming a
million.

829
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,920
It would just, it would just be
that it would be that quick

830
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,760
1,000,000%.
And it would be one of those

831
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,480
things like when are we going to
jam, dude?

832
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,880
Because we, we know we're an
hour away, an hour, 1/2 an hour

833
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,240
way now.
So it's the same concept.

834
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:28,680
I think what you're sharing,
Shawn is going back and forth

835
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,280
across the country.
But then when you reconnect with

836
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,440
someone that you connected with
before, it's an instantaneous

837
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,320
OK, let's go.
Yeah, and and also I found that

838
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,160
when you see other when you when
I've traveled around, I've

839
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,600
traveled across the country now
8 times Costa kind.

840
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,920
Of.
And I love it.

841
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,840
I love it so much.
And I've gone to so many

842
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,720
different areas of the country.
And when you see someone who

843
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:54,840
knows the exact same musical
language that that you do and

844
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,440
they can not just the not just
the the genre, but the

845
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,680
musicianship with.
Your music their.

846
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,240
Musicianship, right?
Yeah.

847
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:05,760
Well, you can see the music in
the musicianship translated into

848
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,200
any genre that they do.
You go.

849
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,320
That's my fucking dude.
I love that guy already.

850
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,160
You know, it's like, I want a
jam with that dude.

851
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,120
And like, I've seen that so many
times and I've been so lucky,

852
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,640
especially in in different, in
different states to be able to

853
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,160
experience that and be like,
man, if I stayed here, I could

854
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,760
have a, a, a band with this dude
all over the place.

855
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:25,960
It'd be great, right?
You know?

856
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,640
And here's I think to piggyback
on that thought Chris used, he

857
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,480
likes to use this word a lot.
And I just thought of this, man.

858
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:37,200
It's that you already know that
you can let your guard down with

859
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,600
that person being a musician, a
soul or any kind of artist.

860
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,080
It doesn't have to be a
musician.

861
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,240
You have to be so vulnerable,
right?

862
00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:47,000
That's the word that you like to
use a lot.

863
00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:50,520
You have to be vulnerable.
And I know when I sit in a room

864
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,640
with him, I'm, I'm going, if I
play something bad, he's not

865
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,040
going to be like, wow, dude,
that sucks.

866
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,880
He'll be like, did you mean to
do that?

867
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,840
You know, because.
I'm not sure how I was he's.

868
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,040
Always going to think of it and
I would do the same thing for

869
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:04,840
him.
I'm not going to go.

870
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,240
Hey man, your voice cracked
there.

871
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:08,640
You sound like a 13 year old boy
going through puberry.

872
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,560
I might do jokingly.
You know, but.

873
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:15,200
It's that rapport that your
vulnerability, that wall is

874
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,120
already broken down.
You know, I know that there's

875
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,760
nothing that him and I are going
to say to each other that would

876
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,600
intentionally, it hurt the other
person.

877
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,440
It's always going to be in a
joking manner or it's just not

878
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,680
going to be a dig.
It's going to be a constructive

879
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,120
criticism.
Did you mean to do that there?

880
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:32,880
You know, because if you did,
we're going to have to figure

881
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,880
something else out musically.
Or for him, if it's a weird

882
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,080
musical passage, he's like, I'm
either not going to sing there

883
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,160
or I'm going to have to figure
out something to do with my

884
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,600
voice that's going to fit with
that oddity, you know?

885
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,640
Yeah, yeah.
And that's that's, that's the,

886
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,720
the, the good way to to be
helping people along You you

887
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:55,680
don't want to, as a musician, be
beating somebody down just

888
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,840
'cause they make a mistake.
And it's it's so yeah.

889
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,360
Like that's one of the key
things.

890
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,880
And I've been in some bands
where, you know, they don't have

891
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,280
that mentality and they're they
could tell that they weren't

892
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,600
helping you along.
It was like, meet the standard

893
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,080
or you're a little bitch.
And it's like.

894
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,280
Man.
It's almost like you're standing

895
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,520
across from you, you know, Like
it's like I joined.

896
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,240
The Russian army.
Yeah, yeah, for real.

897
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,120
And eventually I just.
And I remember in that position,

898
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,480
it was a band in Minnesota
before I went to MI and I didn't

899
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,200
really feel like that.
It was a really heavy, like

900
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,720
hardcore band, you know, like
sort of like a metal core band.

901
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:34,360
And at that time that wasn't
really my thing.

902
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,480
I was much more like Black
Album, Metallica.

903
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,800
I was very much so the slow
groove, but still like, you

904
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,280
know, heavy stuff.
But I can't do like the the at

905
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,680
the time I didn't know scales.
I didn't know Jack Schiffer

906
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,200
scales.
I barely even knew chord

907
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,880
progressions.
Like I knew you put your finger

908
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:50,760
there.
It makes a noise.

909
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,000
That's what I knew at the time.
So I'm sitting across when

910
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,280
they're like, it's this and I'm
like, I can't even do that.

911
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,240
Like you're gonna have to give
me something else.

912
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:02,520
And they're like, dude, you
either do this or you're out.

913
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,000
And I'm like, well, guess I'm
out then.

914
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,840
Sorry, guys.
Yeah, because they didn't give

915
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:11,760
me any option to.
It was either, you know, do

916
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,880
something way above your level
and we're expecting you to be at

917
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,960
that level and this is the
audition, like, and or, you

918
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,480
know, get out.
And I'm like, well, you don't

919
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,920
give me much of A choice.
Well, like and I felt.

920
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:26,160
Like that wasn't the right way
to do it.

921
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:27,880
When I went to music school, I
learned the way that you're

922
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,040
talking about.
It's so much better.

923
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:35,840
Like Chris said earlier, if it's
not your style, you're not going

924
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,600
to be able to embrace it, you
know?

925
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,720
So like, even though he was able
to pull that song off, I'm sure

926
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:43,880
every time, if they ever played
it on stage, it was never

927
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,840
comfortable for him, right?
And when I put Nemesis together,

928
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,400
Scott and I started over.
We were like, we're just going

929
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,640
to start over.
We only had one guy that was a

930
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,560
dual, you know, he played bass
and sang.

931
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,920
So we have to find a singer.
We have to find a bass player.

932
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,000
Let's just start over.
So Chris, you know, through

933
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,800
doing this podcast, he kept
giving Scott and I credit for

934
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,840
starting that band.
I'm like, you were a founding

935
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,360
member of Nemesis.
We changed everything from that

936
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,240
point forward.
So it was the three of us that

937
00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:15,880
looked for a bass player and
move forward.

938
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,720
My point is, it was important
for all of us to feel

939
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:23,720
comfortable playing those songs.
Like another thing that we put a

940
00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:27,560
lot of thought and a lot of
talking into is are you

941
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,680
comfortable with your part and
within the song, right.

942
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,480
So when people came to see us
play, it wasn't they're staring

943
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,800
at the guitar player, they're
staring at the drummer.

944
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,240
They were staring at us as a
band because we thought those

945
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:42,960
songs out.
I think, you know, through

946
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,640
talking to you, the reason we
wanted to talk to you again is

947
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,120
you have the same kind of
vision.

948
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,720
You know, you want the song to
be good.

949
00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:53,720
You don't want someone to say
Sean's a great singer, but the

950
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:55,760
music sucks.
You know, you're putting that

951
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,160
same, you got to put the same
amount of thought into

952
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:04,800
everything, production,
distribution, marketing, writing

953
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,840
sonically.
How does it sound as a final

954
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,320
product?
You know all those things when

955
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,040
you're playing live, the
lighting people don't realize

956
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:17,560
how much goes into when they ask
me the question, why are you not

957
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,000
in a band anymore?
Well, that's a loaded question,

958
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,280
man.
We, I don't have that much time

959
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,000
to explain it all to you, right?
Unless you have the time.

960
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,280
That's like a whole podcast by
itself.

961
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,080
And Chris knows because he's
been there, you know, because

962
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,720
you've been there.
Something he says over and over

963
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:37,200
on this show is you.
You don't know unless you've

964
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,160
been there.
You know, you and I and Chris

965
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,200
have all experienced standing on
a stage hundreds or thousands of

966
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:46,400
times.
That's a commitment that's only

967
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,640
maybe equaled by a marriage, you
know?

968
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,240
Yeah, that's for real.
Because you're putting yourself

969
00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:56,560
out there.
There's six people or 60,000

970
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,840
waiting to see you with their
arms folded going.

971
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,120
You better be good.
Show me something.

972
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,160
Yep.
Prove to me that you belong up

973
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,640
there and I don't.
That's really what the audience

974
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,160
is saying to.
You right, Yeah, Yeah.

975
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,800
For real.
That that is really it.

976
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,520
Why shouldn't I be up there?
Prove.

977
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:14,560
That.
Yep.

978
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,760
Yeah.
I'll tell you a funny story real

979
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,400
quick.
I went to see Ted Nugent with my

980
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,480
drummer and the Celebrity
Theatre in Phoenix has a round

981
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,920
stage.
It holds about 2000 people,

982
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,160
maybe blessed than that.
Even Frank Lloyd Wright designed

983
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,280
it.
Ted Nugent's playing there.

984
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,840
And I don't know if this was
planned.

985
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,280
He probably did it every night,
but it was just cool.

986
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:40,360
So halfway through Stranglehold,
he just said stop the stage, you

987
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,320
know, And I can't believe that
it would have been planned

988
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,080
because how many motorized
stages does he play on?

989
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,680
He spotted these two kids in the
crowd and he pointed him out and

990
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,600
he's like, I see you out there.
You know, you're looking up at

991
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,760
me and you're thinking, shit,
old man, you ain't special.

992
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,800
I could do that, he said.
Maybe you can, but one thing

993
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:07,000
that I am that you will never be
is Ted fucking Nugent and went

994
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,920
back into the solo and
stranglehold.

995
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,640
And it was just one of those
moments in time that, thinking

996
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,160
back on it, it probably wasn't
planned because I don't know how

997
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,520
many motorized stages Ted would
have been standing on back then.

998
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,760
Yeah, no, he probably stopped
the show for that one.

999
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:26,120
That's a great story.
Yeah, I mean, that's, that's,

1000
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:29,000
and you know, that goes along
with, with, you know, a piece of

1001
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,560
advice that my first guitar
teacher gave me.

1002
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,360
And it would, you know, 'cause
I'm sitting there writing these

1003
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,920
new songs and I'm like, I feel
like this is all been done

1004
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,640
before.
Why can't I write something new?

1005
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,440
I I like and I just started like
I was literally 13 years old

1006
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,280
writing like 30 songs and I'm
like.

1007
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:46,960
You are.
You're that hard on yourself

1008
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,960
when you're 13?
Oh yeah?

1009
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:53,040
What the fuck, Sean?
Dude, let me tell you.

1010
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,800
I would hate to be your parents
man.

1011
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:58,960
Parents is where it came from,
bro.

1012
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,480
That's where it fucking came
from.

1013
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:02,080
All right.
So they're like, dude, he's not

1014
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,600
good enough anyway.
Like yeah, they were OK, OK,

1015
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:06,920
they're they're not that
hardcore, I promise.

1016
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:11,480
But in my mind at the time they
were and I.

1017
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:17,400
But what he told me was, you
know, the chords will never

1018
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:18,960
change.
The scales will never change.

1019
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,800
Everybody has done and played
them before.

1020
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,280
You're not the first one to
travel this road, however,

1021
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,280
you're the first you to travel
that road.

1022
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,960
I like that a lot.
Yeah.

1023
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,480
Eddie Van Halen said something
very similar.

1024
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,640
He said there's seven notes in
major scale.

1025
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,800
How you mix them up is your
business, but there's never any

1026
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,720
more than 7 notes in the major
scale.

1027
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,000
You know, we can argue when you
get past that, but in Western

1028
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,520
music, modernly, there's seven
notes.

1029
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,120
How you mix them up as your
business, That's how he

1030
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,880
rectified that question that you
asked in his head.

1031
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:55,960
Because every musician, singer,
drummer has always asked the

1032
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,600
same question.
Because we.

1033
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,640
Contrary to popular belief, most
of us aren't egomaniacs.

1034
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:07,280
We're actually very
self-conscious and we don't

1035
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,520
think that what we do is good,
and we're just as surprised as

1036
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:15,320
you when you think it's good.
That's the one thing I think, I

1037
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,920
think a lot of people don't
understand when, when when you

1038
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,720
go meet a musician like somebody
who's who's been blessed enough

1039
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:24,200
to make that their career in
their life, right?

1040
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,920
That aw shucks thing.
I've never been an aw shucks

1041
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,760
guy.
I met Eddie Jackson for Queens

1042
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,320
the first time I ever met any,
any type of, of somebody at that

1043
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,800
level, right.
And what, what I took from that

1044
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,040
was he was just, he was like
this.

1045
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,840
We were just having a
conversation.

1046
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,880
There was no way after the show,
there was no, I'm Eddie Jackson.

1047
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,400
I'm the founding member of Queen
Jacques.

1048
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,160
Who the fuck are you there?
There was none of that.

1049
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,600
It was just, you know, it was,
it was, it was one of those, it

1050
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,080
wasn't backstage like a meet and
greet.

1051
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:54,280
And so he, there was like 12 of
us.

1052
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,160
He came out and you know, he's
each one of us.

1053
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,440
He talked to for a moment and
then we all just kind of head

1054
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,240
back, stood back.
We can ask the questions and

1055
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:04,800
shit, but it just it, there was
nothing.

1056
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,680
I don't want to.
Still grateful to be there,

1057
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:07,240
right?
Right.

1058
00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:08,920
There was nothing special.
I don't want to.

1059
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,440
I don't want to say this is
going to sound wrong, but

1060
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:11,720
there's nothing special about
him.

1061
00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:13,520
You know what I mean?
There wasn't like, yeah.

1062
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,040
That totally makes sense.
Right.

1063
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,640
He was just somebody who was in
the right place, right time,

1064
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,640
with the right set of people,
and then boom, kind of like

1065
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:21,920
Eddie.
We talked about Eddie Van Halen.

1066
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,160
He didn't want to be a guitar.
He just want to play guitar.

1067
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,200
Yeah.
Yeah, but he was so fucking good

1068
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,640
at guitar.
He became Eddie Van Halen.

1069
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,320
And that's why when when I think
you see somebody who's who's so

1070
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,280
narcissistic and is, oh, look at
me.

1071
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,320
It's just I get turned off by
that.

1072
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,520
I don't care if you music trade
or not, but if if you're an ass,

1073
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,040
fuck off, man.
I'm not buying your shit

1074
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,760
anymore.
Just, you know, it's like Limoy.

1075
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,440
We had this, we had this
producer on that, that that he

1076
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,920
was a producer in the 90s, Sean.
That was huge with all the

1077
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,640
gangster rap, all the kind of
shit responsible.

1078
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,760
For more than half of the rap
albums that came out in the 90s

1079
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,120
as a producer.
Yeah, and and recently he's done

1080
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,440
stuff, had stuff played in the
movie bio bio documentary about

1081
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:10,120
Queen, laid back chill, like he
wanted to come back on our show.

1082
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,160
Yeah, he reached out to us,
which when he was dropping his

1083
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,960
latest single back in October,
he's like, hey, can I come back

1084
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,200
on and talk about that?
But that's we'll think about it.

1085
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,200
But that's that's the kind
that's what I want more and more

1086
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,160
people to get out of this.
When when you go meet bands and

1087
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,160
musicians and, and who your your
heroes are, don't don't put them

1088
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:30,440
on a pedestal.
They don't like that.

1089
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,240
They're just they're like us,
everybody.

1090
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:34,800
They're just like everyone.
They just happen to be in that

1091
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:39,680
spot in time and and we're able
to to capture that lightning and

1092
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,600
go.
To get as good as most people

1093
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,360
are, and I've heard people even
describe Tom Cruise this way.

1094
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,280
He might be a weirdo when it
comes to what he believes.

1095
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,800
In.
But he is the most professional

1096
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,920
when it comes to what he does,
like he does his own stunts.

1097
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,560
He is, he's not the guy that's
yelling at everybody or, you

1098
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:05,080
know, he's positive on the set.
He's a guy who's encouraging and

1099
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,520
lifts people up, and you don't
get to be that great by being an

1100
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:13,040
asshole most of the time.
I know there's the outliers, and

1101
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,880
people are going to name 10
examples of people who have done

1102
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,800
it that way.
And I'm not saying you can't

1103
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:22,120
make it that way, but 99% of the
people who attain a level of a

1104
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,800
Johnny Depp or a Tom Cruise,
it's because they were cool on

1105
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,040
the way up, you know?
Yeah, they understood what their

1106
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,280
end goal was.
Eddie Van Halen is one of the

1107
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,720
best examples you could ever
give a reluctant Guitar Hero.

1108
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:38,280
He just wanted to sound good and
be innovative, you know?

1109
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:39,840
I want to do something
different.

1110
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,200
Well, he did something so
different that he inspired

1111
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,600
everybody to this day sitting
right here.

1112
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,360
Right, right.
Yeah.

1113
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,880
He he was like The Beatles.
But he had that same feeling

1114
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,160
that Chris described every night
of getting on stage, of am I

1115
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,160
good enough to do that right,
That we didn't have stage

1116
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,760
fright.
We had the anxiety of are we

1117
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:00,760
really good enough to get up
there and do that?

1118
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,760
You have to be humble enough to
ask yourself that question.

1119
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,800
You're you'll never grow if you
think you're the best.

1120
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:08,120
That's.
My point, yeah.

1121
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,520
And the other thing too, like if
you don't have nervous

1122
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,520
initiative for the first time,
you're doing something, whether

1123
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,800
that's going on stage, whether
that's if you're you're, you're

1124
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,520
filming a scene for a movie,
whether you're you're meeting

1125
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,760
somebody for the first time.
If you don't have a little, a

1126
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,160
little level of nervousness,
then you're not a fucking human,

1127
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:24,920
you're not alive.
You need that.

1128
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:26,880
You need to Butterflies, the
butterflies.

1129
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,280
The butterflies are what drive
the extroverts.

1130
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,320
Like half of us are or 2/3 of us
are because Mike's not an

1131
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:33,920
extrovert.
But.

1132
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,200
Why I'm when I get on stage
right?

1133
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:37,880
You have to.
Yeah, this is true.

1134
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,320
But that's what that's what you
need.

1135
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,720
That if I didn't if, if, if I
stopped having that nervous

1136
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,840
energy, then the holy shit that
sucks because that's, that's

1137
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,720
part of the excitement of life
getting on.

1138
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,080
Stage and being loud was my way
of being that.

1139
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:52,520
Yeah, OK.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1140
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,640
True point, true point.
So yeah, that's yeah.

1141
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,800
And I would say, and I would say
even when for me, when I feel

1142
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,480
though that nervousness and got
very used to it from a very

1143
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,320
young age, I learned how to put
it into the performance.

1144
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,280
It's so critical.
It's so critical to to not stop

1145
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,280
at stage fright, but use stage
fright.

1146
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,720
Don't figure out how to get over
stage fright.

1147
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,160
Figure out how to use it?
Absolutely, because it can

1148
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,880
become the thing that makes you
stand out on stage.

1149
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,000
You do something weird with the
guitar?

1150
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:25,160
Guess what?
You just motherfucking

1151
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:26,480
innovated.
Right.

1152
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:32,640
Something then a lot of.
Our songs changed over time

1153
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,200
through those we talked about
this the last time, the happy

1154
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:36,800
accidents.
Yeah.

1155
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:41,600
Yeah, it's, it's so critical as
an actor, as an entertainer, to

1156
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,320
to understand if and especially
if you're thinking you want to

1157
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:48,280
start doing something in front
of a camera or at all.

1158
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:53,680
Use that nervous energy and
learn how to wrangle it.

1159
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:59,000
So it becomes your carriage.
It becomes the thing that you

1160
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,040
can ride into what you want to
do because.

1161
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,680
We did it with.
This and still.

1162
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,320
Yeah, yeah.
From the beginning to right now,

1163
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:10,480
and you know, not as often as we
used to, but I'd say for 50 or

1164
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:14,920
60 episodes we would sit and
talk about where we want to take

1165
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,400
it and how to make it.
It was more to how to make it

1166
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,160
like we're doing right now.
We've been talking for almost an

1167
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,120
hour.
It doesn't feel like almost an

1168
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,160
hour.
It's been natural.

1169
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,080
It feels like a conversation.
That was our ultimate goal is

1170
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:31,480
how do we turn this into not,
hey, what do you do?

1171
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:32,840
How do you do it?
Mike?

1172
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,320
It's your turn to talk, Chris,
it's your.

1173
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,520
How can we make this as natural
as possible without it sounding

1174
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,640
fake, right?
Right, Like we had a we had a

1175
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,840
guy talking to us this week
behind the scenes and, and he

1176
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,400
was one of those accolade things
again about how the show is and,

1177
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:48,600
and it's like, well, thanks,
man.

1178
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,040
You know, Thanks, Yeah.
Yeah, you know.

1179
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,480
And he was just super excited to
talk to us and we were too,

1180
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,240
because that's that's the cool
thing when you love doing

1181
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,640
something and you have somebody
like minded that wants to talk

1182
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,200
to you.
And talk with you.

1183
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,560
I don't think it's talk to you,
but talk with you because we're

1184
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,320
talking together.
It's just it makes it so much

1185
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:07,640
more fun, man.
It makes it so much more

1186
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:08,800
exciting.
Yeah, Go ahead.

1187
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:11,560
This.
Part of it right here is

1188
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,840
ultimately what I think you and
I both hoped it would get to,

1189
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:21,360
and I don't think people realize
how hard that is to not over

1190
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,600
manufacture it, you know?
You have to.

1191
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,880
Be it's the same thing as
writing songs and you being in

1192
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:31,240
the studio, Sean.
It's how much do I throw the

1193
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,960
sprinkles on my ice cream?
How many sprinkles do I want,

1194
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:35,680
right?
Do I want more sprinkles than

1195
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,080
ice cream or do I want more ice
cream than sprinkles?

1196
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:39,520
We always want more ice.
Sprinkles.

1197
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,560
I want sprinkles.
I want sprinkles, man.

1198
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:48,000
I want more sprinkles.
I'm just impressed at how, like

1199
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:53,600
he said, you know, all these
people ended up understanding

1200
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,160
our vision in however long they
were on the show.

1201
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,080
You know, they start off with
the question, what are you guys

1202
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,440
doing?
And as vague as possible, one of

1203
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:07,080
us will let him know.
Usually Chris gives him the 45

1204
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:08,560
second, here's what's going to
happen.

1205
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:15,760
And you'll see as it goes along.
But the more we get compliments,

1206
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:20,240
most of them are just that it's.
Do you guys realize what kind of

1207
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,320
chemistry you have?
Yeah, Chris and I are hyper

1208
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,280
aware of what kind of chemistry
we have because we spent

1209
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:30,360
thousands of hours together
writing songs, playing on stage.

1210
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,880
You don't.
You don't get that by being

1211
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:40,080
argumentative.
But more importantly, you can't

1212
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,480
survive that long with someone
if you don't have good

1213
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,440
chemistry.
And that's why I like having

1214
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,480
people like Sean on the show,
because we're all in the same

1215
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,320
mindset.
We're all musicians at heart.

1216
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,600
We all have that same common
language, you know.

1217
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:57,480
For sure, you have to be able to
speak that musical language and

1218
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,760
to do it in a format like this.
Now we have to put it in a

1219
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,160
version of English that people
can understand because we have

1220
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,960
our own language when it comes
to talking music, bars,

1221
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:13,720
measures, notes.
Mode scales chords.

1222
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,560
So, so talk so, so we've had
this great conversation, but I

1223
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,680
want to, I want to kind of shift
a little bit to focus on what

1224
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,600
you have going on.
What's up coming for the next

1225
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,200
half hour.
So just talk about, let's talk

1226
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,120
about that.
Where's where's Sean Mark going?

1227
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:27,880
Where's the music going?
Where's the band going?

1228
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,480
Where can people find you?
All that kind of stuff, man.

1229
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,800
Yeah, yeah.
So the no pressure, no pressure.

1230
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,640
Oh no, it's not.
The number one thing that we

1231
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,600
have coming out that I'm super
excited about.

1232
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,360
It is.
We have a new merch store coming

1233
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,160
out and this is.
A full about that.

1234
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:51,880
Yeah, this is a full on website
that really goes into, you know,

1235
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:57,880
gives like there's so many just
great descriptions that the I

1236
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:03,160
had AI have an employee make it
for me and they really, really

1237
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:07,800
went above and beyond and it's
such an awesome way to put it

1238
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,560
all together.
It really gives you the whole

1239
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:14,240
sense of where the band is gone
and, and like what the, the, the

1240
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:19,040
clothes really stand for and the
designs on them really

1241
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:22,760
demonstrate that they, they
really make you feel like it

1242
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:27,120
really does make a statement
that is, you know, from our

1243
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:28,600
band.
Be free in your mind.

1244
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:34,520
Like our our logo, the the line
from aversion to normalcy.

1245
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:43,040
You know, it's so, yeah, I saw
it today and so I'm super, super

1246
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:44,800
jazzed about it.
We're hopefully going to have a

1247
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,080
release for it coming up next
week.

1248
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,640
And so with that, we've got,
we're going to start using

1249
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:55,520
funnels, we're going to start
using a bunch of different ads,

1250
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,240
and we're going to start making
posts for it.

1251
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:04,440
There's a whole operation behind
the scenes that goes on to make

1252
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,120
that happen.
So it's not just putting it up

1253
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,080
in hope that people see it.
Yeah, yeah.

1254
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,120
It's going after the customers
and that's when it becomes

1255
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,480
really interesting.
That's awesome.

1256
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,480
Yeah.
When it when it goes live, When

1257
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,200
it goes live.
Drop it on our Facebook page,

1258
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,120
will you?
Oh yeah, absolutely.

1259
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:20,720
Because.
Because then our listeners can

1260
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:22,720
check it out for sure.
Our listeners use whatever you

1261
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:23,960
want to call them.
That would be awesome.

1262
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:25,440
Yeah.
And that's one thing that I

1263
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,440
would like.
I think that's the next after we

1264
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:32,880
did the website.
I would like to look into that.

1265
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,400
Chris and Bobbleheads have a
Chris and Mike Bobble.

1266
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:39,280
We.
Got to have a bobblehead to add.

1267
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:40,600
To I would love to have a bobble
man me.

1268
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,640
Too.
Yeah, I'm super interested in

1269
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,520
looking at that.
And is this something that he

1270
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:49,720
does for a living or did he just
do it for you as a favor or?

1271
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:53,840
Well, actually it's her and I.
Apologize.

1272
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,000
Yeah.
And So what I will say is I

1273
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:02,200
hired a company called The Doers
and the, it's a virtual

1274
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,560
assistant.
And it's not a virtual assistant

1275
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:09,680
is simply the, it's a real
person, but you have a virtual

1276
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,320
interaction with them.
You're meeting with them because

1277
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:16,760
they're in, in this case, my
doer is in the Philippines and

1278
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:24,440
she, so I'll give her, there's a
whole section of everything that

1279
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:29,080
they can do for you and you
essentially have to pick and

1280
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:35,680
then give them training and
orientation into how you want

1281
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:37,560
the, the things to go for your
band.

1282
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,080
And then once they get that,
it's off to the races, man.

1283
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,880
And for the last two or three
weeks or so, she's been going

1284
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,800
full bore into making the, the
merch site.

1285
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,120
And it's, it's such an amazing
job.

1286
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,480
It's unbelievable.
So let me tell you guys, if

1287
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:58,320
you're a band and you're
thinking of how am I supposed to

1288
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:04,720
start ways to make the business
side of things start to work

1289
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,320
better, get a virtual assistant.
Oh, agreed.

1290
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,240
They will start like they can
create a merch store for you.

1291
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,240
They can start getting you
familiar with how funnels are

1292
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,800
supposed to work, and then you
can start setting up the way

1293
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:19,960
that they can start working for
you instead of begging people

1294
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:24,160
who you know to give a shit.
That's not the the point.

1295
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,120
You want to find the people who
are already looking for the kind

1296
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,760
of style and the kind of stuff
that you're putting out.

1297
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:34,600
I have always been a big
advocate that it's not about who

1298
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:40,080
you know, it's about who you
haven't met yet because that's

1299
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,520
who you're going after.
Because if you know everybody.

1300
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:45,880
I like that you.
Don't need to ask for anything,

1301
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:47,680
you know exactly who to ask.
But you've.

1302
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,480
Already made it.
Find your audience.

1303
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:51,720
Yeah, exactly.
But if you need to find your

1304
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,160
audience, you need to find all
the people you haven't known

1305
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,840
yet.
That's a great point because I

1306
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:00,080
think that's something that him
and the, I, I would say the

1307
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:04,440
other agreement that him and I
made that we've stuck to and is

1308
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:09,280
that we agreed to just do this
organically.

1309
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,760
Like we put, you know, we put
money up to buy the equipment

1310
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:16,280
and stuff like that, but we've
put very little money into

1311
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:19,720
advertising because we wanted to
prove to ourselves just like we

1312
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:22,600
did with the band.
And I think talking with you as

1313
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,440
much as we have, I think it's
important to you as well that

1314
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:29,640
you know that your core fan base
is just that, right?

1315
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:32,600
These are people that are coming
here week after week because

1316
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:36,040
they like what we do.
You know, they like to listen to

1317
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,800
the different guests, the
different stories, as Chris

1318
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:42,960
likes to call them.
The life resumes that that

1319
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:46,000
organic growth when it really
happens.

1320
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,800
Like we just went through a
period where we fell into some

1321
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:52,040
kind of rabbit hole and we
picked up 40 countries in 10

1322
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:55,320
days.
So somebody found us that just

1323
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:59,400
shared us and shared us and
shared us and it those kind of

1324
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:03,440
moments are genuine when you
know, you didn't spend $1000 on

1325
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,720
an ad to just go out to, you
know, 100,000 people.

1326
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,720
Right.
Yeah, and those, those are

1327
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:11,920
always like that.
That's always a really great

1328
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:16,160
feeling and that's something to
to always go after.

1329
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:19,080
But the thing that I would say
the the way that you can give

1330
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,800
yourself as many options, think
of it as as many fishing poles

1331
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:26,000
in the lake as you could
possibly get is utilizing

1332
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,600
shorts.
That's what's helped.

1333
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,439
Us, we do.
Yeah, as you guys do.

1334
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,960
Agree with that more.
Then it creates it.

1335
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,000
And then in the same, you know,
idea, you're putting 40 poles in

1336
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:38,560
the lake to pull out of fish,
right?

1337
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:43,200
Then it's a hell of a lot easier
to start finding the fish who,

1338
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:46,479
you know, are going for it.
And in a way, without that, that

1339
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,200
analogy, I always had a problem
with.

1340
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,960
I felt like, you know, family
members or friends of mine

1341
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:55,279
liking my music out of
obligation.

1342
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:57,680
I had a big fucking problem with
that.

1343
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,359
Like after a while, like, I'm
like, I don't, I don't even want

1344
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:02,359
you as a fan.
If you're like just doing it

1345
01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:04,160
because you feel like you have
to listen to it.

1346
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,600
No, go away.
I don't, I don't, I don't want

1347
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,960
that, you know, don't, don't
listen to it.

1348
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:11,479
Then.
It was very weird.

1349
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,800
I had to wrestle with that for a
very, very long time.

1350
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,840
But it wasn't until I understood
about what I'd said before,

1351
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:18,960
about it's everybody who you
haven't met yet.

1352
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:21,160
Well, here's another real
example.

1353
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,520
I think my mom started listening
to it because she felt like she

1354
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:25,680
should, right?
Right.

1355
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:26,960
Probably came up.
Yeah.

1356
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:29,720
And I don't think my, I think.
She would admit that.

1357
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:32,920
Super supportive, yeah.
But I see it on her face now

1358
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,840
when she says, hey, I listened
to that episode with Beverly and

1359
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,600
wow, what an interesting lady
you guys are finding such a, you

1360
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:40,840
know, now you can hear the
genuine.

1361
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:42,560
I listen to it because I want
to.

1362
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,399
Right.
Yeah, yeah.

1363
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:46,479
I don't listen to it.
I.

1364
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:48,439
Have to I?
Do I?

1365
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:50,319
Added it so.
You're there.

1366
01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:52,040
Why do you need to listen to it?
Yeah, well, it's.

1367
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,400
Kind of like when it when it was
like I wrote this book a couple

1368
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,000
years ago.
He always gets.

1369
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:58,840
Away with all the not the behind
the scenes fucking shit that

1370
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:02,880
nobody wants to do stuff, yeah.
Yeah, so, so Nikki was helping

1371
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,960
me write this book because I
kind of, I kind of, I kind of

1372
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,000
worked her into it.
So when it came out, she she

1373
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:09,880
legit didn't read the book and
people gave her shit.

1374
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,680
She's like, I was there.
Well, he wrote it.

1375
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:15,560
I lived it.
Like, we would go on road trips

1376
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:18,120
and I would be sitting in the
pasture side on my iPad using

1377
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:19,920
the notes section.
I would bounce ideas and shut

1378
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:21,480
off.
Or like, it's kind of like the

1379
01:10:21,480 --> 01:10:24,320
band.
Like she never had to listen to

1380
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,800
the songs when they came out
because she lived it.

1381
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:31,200
Yeah, she was.
Rehearsing and the whole 9

1382
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:32,480
yards.
Yeah, she already knows how the

1383
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:36,040
song goes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right,

1384
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:37,880
yeah.
And, and a lot of times that

1385
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:43,040
that inner side of it, the real
appreciation for it doesn't show

1386
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,560
up until you get to that point
where you're playing it in front

1387
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:50,400
of people and then they see the
whole thing and they go, oh, now

1388
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,800
I get it.
And that's so much of A better

1389
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,440
moment to.
Have here's the other side of

1390
01:10:54,440 --> 01:10:56,920
it.
They're there when you know it's

1391
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:58,640
not good, right?
Yeah.

1392
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,760
So I'm not saying that this
thing started off being bad, but

1393
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,760
it started off where it started
off, right?

1394
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:08,040
It didn't start off your vision
never is at 100.

1395
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:13,840
Your vision is at 100, but your
execution is at 20 until it's at

1396
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,280
100, right, Right.
You start off like clunky and

1397
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,920
while that didn't work, so let's
change that and this didn't

1398
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,160
work, so let's change that.
Yep yeah.

1399
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,640
Then all of a sudden you find
your niche.

1400
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:28,160
And I think you just said it a
minute ago, Sean, you find that

1401
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:32,200
audience that finds you, you
don't go find them, right.

1402
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,160
I like that that's.
Brilliant, Sean, By the way,

1403
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:35,040
that's fucking.
Brilliant.

1404
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:38,760
Absolutely.
It's who you haven't met yet.

1405
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,320
Those people are starting to
find us and they're starting to

1406
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:45,760
find you with your music.
And I can see, you know, week

1407
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,720
over week because we're friends
on Instagram.

1408
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,320
So all our posts come out
simultaneously.

1409
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,480
You're getting more and more
likes and more and more views.

1410
01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:59,040
And you know, you just you see
that natural growth of wow, this

1411
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,920
guy's on to something.
You know, I like your message

1412
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:06,800
and the delivery of whoever
recorded this album is

1413
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,120
outstanding.
Thank you.

1414
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,400
That's Nathan Yarborough.
And he did Crew.

1415
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:12,760
Hi, Nathan.
It was, yeah.

1416
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,080
Shout out to Nathan.
Yarborough.

1417
01:12:14,480 --> 01:12:17,480
It's Nathan.
Yeah, man, he is fantastic.

1418
01:12:17,480 --> 01:12:20,200
He is absolutely.
You know, it was such a great

1419
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:23,360
thing because I've struggled for
so long in recording this album.

1420
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:26,600
I was trying to record it myself
and I struggled for so long to

1421
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:30,440
try to find the right tones.
I just couldn't, you know,

1422
01:12:30,440 --> 01:12:33,880
manipulate the, the Pro Tools in
the way that I wanted to.

1423
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:35,920
I just didn't have the knowledge
of set.

1424
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,520
This is where the compressor
needs to go to make it like this

1425
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,560
is where the level needs to be.
This is the functionality of

1426
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,400
this entire signal chain.
If you don't know that, then

1427
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,520
you're not going to get the
result that you want.

1428
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:50,640
And I was able to, once I added
him in and said, this is what

1429
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:53,000
I've got, He goes, I know
exactly what you're looking for.

1430
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:56,280
And it didn't take him any time
at all to set up and and make

1431
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,680
the make the the right tweaks
and adjustments for all of the

1432
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,200
little tone differences for the
guitars to make.

1433
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:04,960
He's like, I already had the
ballpark, then I just put it in

1434
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,680
the seat.
Sometimes you just even if I'm

1435
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:11,200
capable of getting the sounds I
want, sometimes just having

1436
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:14,280
somebody sitting there to
confirm that like, yeah, that's

1437
01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:15,520
I don't know what you're worried
about.

1438
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:16,840
That sounds good.
You.

1439
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:20,560
Need that when you're sitting
here by yourself and all you

1440
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:24,920
have is the speakers, the
monitors and your ears and no

1441
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:26,720
one else.
Like, well, I think it sounds

1442
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:29,080
good, but there's no one here to
confirm it.

1443
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:29,840
Yeah, right.
Yeah.

1444
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:31,520
You start getting in your own
head.

1445
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,120
Well, like Sean mentioned.
Earlier he when he was in the

1446
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:35,800
studio that one time, he was
getting into his own head.

1447
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:36,720
The guy's like, shut the fuck
up.

1448
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:38,120
It sounds great.
Yep.

1449
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,600
Yeah, stop killing yourself.
Yeah.

1450
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:42,520
You're better than you think you
are.

1451
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,280
You need that person sometimes.
You really do.

1452
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:47,800
It's really important.
Just a little bit of reassurance

1453
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,760
can can help you.
But also the the thing that that

1454
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:54,360
helped me the most was the thing
that Nathan helped show me in

1455
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:59,680
mixing was how because I already
had the the structure for a mix

1456
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:03,160
to be made, but I didn't know
what was too loud.

1457
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,640
When the the different
instruments are too loud, they

1458
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:10,680
actually overtake the other
instruments in a mix.

1459
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:15,400
So if you don't under, if you
can't hear what's being masked

1460
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:18,720
and what frequencies and what
level it goes to, you'll be

1461
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:19,960
sitting there trying to move
these things.

1462
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:21,840
Like why is this EQ not doing
anything?

1463
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,000
I'm moving it all the way up and
all the way down.

1464
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,800
It's not doing it because it's
too close to the speaker.

1465
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:31,280
It's too loud in the speakers,
but it doesn't seem like it's

1466
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:33,720
too loud because it's not
blasting your ears, but the

1467
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:37,920
instrument itself.
A huge difference.

1468
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:41,800
That understanding that made a
huge difference in my ability to

1469
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:44,760
mix and and hear music at at
large.

1470
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:49,600
And that was like a, a, just a
light bulb going off of my head

1471
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:55,800
that made me know and be able to
measure what is, you know, what

1472
01:14:55,800 --> 01:15:00,480
is too loud and how to bring a
mix back into complete

1473
01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:03,960
coherence.
And now actually to do that, you

1474
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,480
know what actually taught me
that was going to see ACDC in

1475
01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:11,360
concert when I was about. 22 or
23 years old Oh yeah, Malcolm

1476
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:14,280
started playing guitar and his.
Tone.

1477
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:18,720
Was so clean.
It was loud, but there was no

1478
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:23,640
distortion on it.
ACDC's guitar sound is a blend

1479
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:25,720
of those two guys together
separately.

1480
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,560
Their sounds are actually kind
of thin.

1481
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:34,680
It take like you just said, it
takes being a compromising

1482
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:40,040
artist to make a band or a mix
work in the studio or live.

1483
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:44,720
You can't put so much bass in
your guitar tone that you drown

1484
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,160
out the bass player.
He's going to be like shrugging

1485
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,440
his shoulders going, why am I
even here if you're going to

1486
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:51,080
have all that bass in your
guitar sound?

1487
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:54,360
You know, those are lessons that
I learned by seeing them in

1488
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:57,360
concert.
That is probably when Paul

1489
01:15:57,360 --> 01:15:59,600
Marshall, the legendary DJ, was
on here.

1490
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:03,440
He said ACDC might be the
perfect band and I agree with

1491
01:16:03,440 --> 01:16:06,200
him.
And it's simply going to see

1492
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:08,440
them live and seeing how they.
Work together.

1493
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:13,040
And making that massive sound by
everybody listening to everybody

1494
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:14,560
else.
Yeah.

1495
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,160
Because when Angus kicked in all
the.

1496
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:20,360
Sudden, there was that big.
Massive guitar sound that you

1497
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:24,480
know, and love of ACDC, like,
oh, it's a blend of those two

1498
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:27,320
guys together.
My point of telling that story

1499
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:31,360
is when I went in the studio, I
was very conscious of when I put

1500
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:34,840
my rhythm guitar down to tuck it
down in the background a little

1501
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:36,560
bit.
Or, you know, that way when the

1502
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:40,080
lead came in to your point, you
don't have to keep pushing the

1503
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:42,960
volume up on everything.
It's more important about what

1504
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:47,000
you're bringing down.
Yeah, yeah, we've.

1505
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:49,560
So he's been.
Very elusive, but we've been

1506
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:52,240
trying to get.
My friend Tony Palmer on here

1507
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:55,680
for a long time.
Tony motherfucking Palmer and he

1508
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:58,080
won't come.
On I've I've even offered to do

1509
01:16:58,080 --> 01:16:59,160
it.
On a day like.

1510
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:02,120
That we normally don't do it,
just him and I or just him and

1511
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:05,760
Chris, or he's like, Chris has
got to be there #1 because I

1512
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:09,400
want to give him a hard time.
He feels like it's it's his

1513
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,560
mission in life to banter with
Chris.

1514
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,080
So.
But he's been the ones that

1515
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:20,200
taught me the most about taking
things away, you know?

1516
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:20,960
He said.
You're thinking.

1517
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:24,080
About it wrong, it's.
More about what are we going to

1518
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:27,200
bring down because you only have
so much headroom, you know?

1519
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:30,360
Yeah, I just did it.
Every now and then you hit the

1520
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:33,920
top of your headroom and you see
those dreaded red lights and

1521
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,040
that's it.
Digital distortion is silence.

1522
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:39,680
So once you do that, you're
ruining your track.

1523
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:43,160
Back in the day, you could push
it into the red tape would allow

1524
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:46,040
you saturation to a certain
point, right?

1525
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:47,520
And you could hear it in the
headphones.

1526
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:51,520
Now you have to be super careful
about how much volume you're

1527
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,440
pushing out.
And I like to take credit for

1528
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:58,080
part of our six.
However much a small part of our

1529
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:03,520
success is our audio quality is
always consistent because I do

1530
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,040
it the same way every time.
That's why he.

1531
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:07,160
Watches every.
Show Sean.

1532
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:10,960
Yeah, I have to.
Yeah, that's what.

1533
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:13,720
Yeah.
You're.

1534
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:16,040
Interested.
In the measurement of what's?

1535
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:19,280
Working and how to?
Make it so no, I I I see you.

1536
01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:21,560
I feel you.
Yep, I do the same thing.

1537
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:23,280
You know what would be you would
be cool.

1538
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:24,800
And you can.
Say no because.

1539
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:26,680
I'm putting on a spot.
What would be what would be cool

1540
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:30,640
is if you you one of your, one
of your cool songs you write

1541
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,440
like come on and do some
harmonizing background vocal

1542
01:18:34,440 --> 01:18:35,640
shit.
With you, we have Mike come.

1543
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,040
On and do some little rhythm
guitar you know licks and shit

1544
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:40,800
with you and just just make it
look cool little thing that we

1545
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:44,840
organically created from the
conversations and friendships

1546
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:48,240
developed on the Chris and Mike
show we could absolutely just

1547
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:50,520
saying yeah just saying and you
come up with a.

1548
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,160
No.
You come up with a framework of

1549
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:57,560
a rhythm that you guys can sing.
To and send me the raw file.

1550
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,280
I'll play a lead over it and
it'll be all right.

1551
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:02,760
Chris and Mike and Sean.
I love fun.

1552
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,800
Idea I think I'm down because I.
Yeah, I've, I've hit it.

1553
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:07,400
I've hit it.
We've hit it with a couple

1554
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:10,080
other.
Musicians to come on, but for

1555
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,520
some reason, man, it's just I'm
like we're all like old souls

1556
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:14,560
and just I mean, we could really
have this conversation another

1557
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:19,160
five hours because it's just
yeah, you know, I, I think more

1558
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:20,560
and more.
The whole.

1559
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,720
Reason this started to Sean
just, you know, as I kept

1560
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:25,080
fucking poking at Mike, I'd
write a song and send it to him.

1561
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,480
I'd be like, hey motherfucker,
write me a riff.

1562
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:32,840
So a couple weeks ago by send.
Him a song.

1563
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:34,320
Hey motherfucker, write me a
riff.

1564
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,240
I mean, he had this.
He had this weird thing.

1565
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:41,960
Trigger finger going on.
So then that got fixed and so he

1566
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:44,240
was, he couldn't play guitar.
So when you can't do the thing

1567
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:47,760
you love, you have a little
piece of depression, right?

1568
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:50,080
You just do.
When I couldn't work out because

1569
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,040
right, when I couldn't work out
because I had the stress

1570
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,520
reaction in my foot, it, it
changes your dynamic, right?

1571
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:57,520
My working out took over the
addiction side of me, right?

1572
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:00,480
But it's just so much of our
foundation.

1573
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:02,760
Mike and I is music because
that's where we met.

1574
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:04,400
That's how we've evolved our
friendship.

1575
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:08,280
And that's why 30 years later,
we're still, this isn't fake.

1576
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:10,840
It's this is how we were 30
years ago.

1577
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,760
And I'll tell you another thing
that I appreciate about him and

1578
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:15,920
I, I hope you have.
A friend like this in your life

1579
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:19,600
when I was going through that
bad period, I can tell him that

1580
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:22,680
I'm not OK, right?
And he doesn't freak out because

1581
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:26,640
he knows I'm not, you know, I'm
stable enough that it's not

1582
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:29,200
something I want to sit down and
tell my mother when I'm going

1583
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:31,640
through my worst time because
that's going to cause her stress

1584
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:34,000
in her life.
I guess my point is, he's one of

1585
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:37,120
my friends that I can say, hey,
man, I had a shit week or, you

1586
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:39,920
know, I've had a shit month or I
don't know what's going on right

1587
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:41,120
now.
I'll snap out of it.

1588
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:44,000
But sometimes you just need to
talk that through with somebody

1589
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,480
and know they're not going to
go, oh, fuck, Mike's not good,

1590
01:20:47,480 --> 01:20:49,160
right?
Better call everybody I know

1591
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:52,000
that knows Mike and get them all
concerned and right.

1592
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,400
But see, that's but but see
that's, that's, that's how this

1593
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:57,320
kind of happened.
Sean because I kept poking the

1594
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:58,400
bear.
He does.

1595
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:00,360
And then all of a sudden he's
his finger got better.

1596
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:02,480
So he started right playing the
guitar again and he's like,

1597
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:06,000
wait, did you want to apologize?
I'm like, OK, that.

1598
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:10,920
But it, it, it's that dynamic.
So we've had so many musicians

1599
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:14,560
on, man, so many musicians on
and I love them all like Dave

1600
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:17,680
Noodle, aside from you, you and
Dave Noodle to me are like right

1601
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:20,400
here because Dave Noodle doesn't
realize what he has, but I think

1602
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,720
he's more I think he's beginning
to realize what he has.

1603
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,800
If you've never checked him out,
Google Dave Noodle, the Lord and

1604
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:27,320
the devil.
Holy shit, man.

1605
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,720
Like I kid you not, that's
country southern rock.

1606
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:35,800
Oh, oh, dude, if if I was a
country singer, he is to country

1607
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:37,280
southern rock.
What you're.

1608
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:39,800
Doing to your.
Genre of music, whatever you

1609
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:44,000
want to call it, so in in UDO.
Just when we're when you're

1610
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,520
fucking around, Google Dave
Noodle Lord of the devil.

1611
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:49,280
Now he rerecorded it because we
kept poking the bear with that

1612
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:50,760
shit.
Because like, dude, you new

1613
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:52,000
release a song, you release a
song.

1614
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:53,120
But he had some issues with
past.

1615
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:54,920
I give Chris full credit for
that.

1616
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:57,160
He's the one that he's like,
come on, dude.

1617
01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:59,080
Come on, come back.
And he's come back.

1618
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:00,600
He's come back on the show.
Mike, I don't know if he told

1619
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:01,880
you that.
So he.

1620
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:04,880
So he went rerecorded with a new
management company so they can

1621
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:06,800
release it.
But it's that good of a song.

1622
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:08,760
Kind of like some of your stuff
is that good of music.

1623
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:11,520
It needs to get out there.
He had basically lost the rights

1624
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:13,440
to the song and he was just
going to let it go.

1625
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:15,440
And Chris is like.
Can't let that song go.

1626
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:17,240
It's too.
Yeah, I just listened to it on

1627
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:19,880
the way to get food last night.
If I'm looking for something

1628
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:23,440
that I want, I know I'm going to
like and crank up in my car, I

1629
01:22:23,440 --> 01:22:26,280
go to that thing.
He must get 100 plays a week

1630
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:28,520
just from me.
Yeah, it's that good of a song.

1631
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:30,880
But your stuff's that good too,
and that's what I'm saying.

1632
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:33,480
You guys have that same kind of
you're you're right here.

1633
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:35,760
Like I would love to do
something with Dave.

1634
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:36,920
I would love to do something
with you.

1635
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:41,080
Not not just as as a fan of you
and you're human in your life

1636
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:42,440
resume.
Just the fact that I like what

1637
01:22:42,440 --> 01:22:44,520
you're doing.
Yes, I like the music you're

1638
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:45,720
creating.
I like the direction you're

1639
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:47,400
going.
I love your life story, man.

1640
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:51,760
I love where you came from.
Like the reals, the reason that.

1641
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:54,120
I was excited you were coming
back on was.

1642
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,520
I'm super glad you started
dropping those things right

1643
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:00,320
before you came on because now I
see how you operate.

1644
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:03,680
I see your excitement.
I see that it's important to you

1645
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:05,560
to get a positive message out
there.

1646
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,200
That's another thing that was
important to Chris and I do in

1647
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:11,720
the show, was to let people know
there was life on the other side

1648
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:15,760
of addiction, That it can be
fun, that you can still be cool.

1649
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:19,720
That life is actually better and
more exciting because you don't

1650
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:21,280
know what's going to happen
every day.

1651
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:25,680
I love that part of your music,
man, that it's heavy because I'm

1652
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:29,600
a sucker for heavy music, but
I'm also a sucker for a positive

1653
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:32,720
message in that right chaotic
environment.

1654
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:36,400
You know, everybody always
looked at I I gravitated towards

1655
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:37,920
heavy metal because it scared
people.

1656
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:40,120
And that made me laugh.
You know, it's like you're

1657
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:43,280
afraid of music.
Yeah, that's, that's silly, you

1658
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:45,040
know?
So now I'm going to create more

1659
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:46,120
of.
It so that you're more.

1660
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:49,480
Terrified and see, I gravitate
towards you, Sean, because what

1661
01:23:49,480 --> 01:23:50,800
you've what you've done in your
life.

1662
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:52,480
Because my, you know, we talked
about it before.

1663
01:23:52,480 --> 01:23:55,600
I think my son's a Marine, so
the the element of that and

1664
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,520
where you've gone from that
journey and the struggles you

1665
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:00,920
had post that, that that to me
just is your real.

1666
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:03,520
Yeah.
It's important that we have not

1667
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:07,920
hit on that on this podcast.
Is also a veteran which is super

1668
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:09,400
important.
Thank you for your service.

1669
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:10,920
And he did.
And he did.

1670
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:12,480
Struggle, and he was.
Transparent about that in his

1671
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:13,800
first episode, so if you want to
find.

1672
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,720
Out what we talked about the
first time it was a Tuesday spot

1673
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:20,960
yeah go find go go on our thing
go on our I think on our website

1674
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:24,400
boys and girls you can actually
go and search episodes yes so

1675
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:26,560
you could type in Sean Martin
and you'll find his first

1676
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:29,320
episode and you'll you'll watch
that one listen to it for 60

1677
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:33,640
minutes understand why we want
to come back because it's

1678
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:36,280
motherfucker Sean Martin how
many people can you.

1679
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:37,320
Put the motherfucker in front
of.

1680
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,200
Like it's motherfucker noodles,
motherfucker Sean Martin,

1681
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:42,160
motherfucker Mickey, Mickey
Castillo or Mikey Castillo.

1682
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:44,800
You know, we have Mikey Castillo
day, then we should have a Sean

1683
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:46,640
Martin day.
Fuck yeah we should.

1684
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:49,200
You know.
When is your album officially

1685
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:54,520
dropping a full album?
So aversions of normalcy has has

1686
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:57,400
been out.
But right, The new version of

1687
01:24:57,400 --> 01:24:58,760
Unspoken, the new version of
Instagram.

1688
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:00,400
Help.
So I've been.

1689
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:01,720
And I'm glad you brought this
up.

1690
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:06,480
I've been thinking about doing
another RE release and I haven't

1691
01:25:06,480 --> 01:25:09,480
made a date for it yet because I
want to give those singles, I

1692
01:25:09,480 --> 01:25:12,480
want to be doing some a
different process in in

1693
01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:15,960
unfurling those singles.
So I want to get that process

1694
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:19,920
down so that when I step up to
re releasing the album, it's

1695
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:22,880
going to be a a real big thing.
OK, that's Sean Martin day.

1696
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:25,280
So let us know when that day is,
and we'll make when that day

1697
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:27,360
happens.
That will be now Sean Martin

1698
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:28,760
Day.
Yeah, we'll make a specific.

1699
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:30,320
Thumbnail for you Sean Martin
Day we're.

1700
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:33,640
Going to have to have a date
now.

1701
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:35,320
We do.
Yeah, we'll talk about it when

1702
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:37,560
Dave comes.
Back because really, I'm going.

1703
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:39,840
To tell Dave to look you up
because I want him to look you

1704
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:41,320
up too.
And kind of see the dynamic

1705
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:43,480
because it is like Mike said,
you guys are the Ying and Yang

1706
01:25:43,480 --> 01:25:46,440
of the rock'n'roll southern draw
type thing.

1707
01:25:46,440 --> 01:25:49,400
And in the country heavy, which
which I love because that's my

1708
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:51,040
wheelhouse of my voice and how I
sing.

1709
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,240
When we were, when we had the
sound of these years, like dude,

1710
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:55,360
you just got a Southern rock
voice.

1711
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:57,840
I'm like, I know, I don't know
how I'm, I'm fucking live in

1712
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:02,120
Arizona, man.
But that's how it came out.

1713
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:03,200
This is.
Southwest.

1714
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:04,680
But it's this, right, you know?
Right.

1715
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:06,600
But that's how it came out when
I sang.

1716
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:08,440
That's the first thing, Mike.
Was like we met.

1717
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:10,560
You go Southern rock style.
I'm like, OK.

1718
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:14,080
And it totally fit with the way
that I played guitar because I

1719
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,480
grew up listening.
To Lynyrd Skynyrd and Molly

1720
01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:20,480
Hatchet and The Allman Brothers.
And yeah, I just wanted a

1721
01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:23,840
heavier sound than that, right?
I like that swing.

1722
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:26,200
I like that style.
Black Crows is one of my

1723
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:29,320
favorite bands.
I just wanted a little bit of an

1724
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:34,080
edge to that kind of music.
So when Metal Blade came to us,

1725
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:38,200
the first thing that the ANR Rep
said is I just can't put my

1726
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:40,440
finger on your sound.
And I didn't tell him.

1727
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:42,480
I was just like, it's heavy
metal.

1728
01:26:42,480 --> 01:26:44,440
Southern rock, man.
That's really what you're

1729
01:26:44,440 --> 01:26:47,440
listening to, A speed up version
of Southern rock.

1730
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:51,400
Yeah, Yeah.
Wasn't anything real complicated

1731
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:53,200
about it.
But one thing that Chris just

1732
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:55,960
said that I don't want.
To get too far away from is the

1733
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:59,640
community that we're creating
here is another thing that I had

1734
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:03,120
hoped for that is near and dear
to my heart that I think is so

1735
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:05,680
cool.
Like introducing all you guys to

1736
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:10,400
each other too, you know?
Yeah, it's so important, but it

1737
01:27:10,480 --> 01:27:13,280
is just now starting to.
Realize just how.

1738
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:15,520
Important and how impactful that
really is.

1739
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:17,040
Yeah.
And that's the, that's the

1740
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:20,600
greatest thing about technology
is the, the, the people.

1741
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:22,480
You can meet doing this kind of
thing.

1742
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:25,960
We would have never known you
unless we happen to find you on

1743
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:27,880
Facebook, you know?
Yeah.

1744
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:30,600
And that wouldn't have been very
high chance at all, right,

1745
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:31,240
Right.
And that's.

1746
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:32,960
That's how.
That's how I found.

1747
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:34,760
A lot of our guests from the
from the beginning.

1748
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:36,200
Was I just?
Started trolling on Facebook

1749
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:39,200
looking for interesting people.
Yeah, especially in the in the

1750
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:41,520
in the recovery world, because
that's our foundation of the

1751
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,240
show to begin with was all about
recovery.

1752
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:45,200
Yeah.
And then it's just blew up from

1753
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:49,440
there because of the zombie, the
the unintended zombie commercial

1754
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:52,120
that is kind of when we had to
stop looking for guests.

1755
01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:55,080
Yeah, Yeah.
Yeah, with this stupid.

1756
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:56,240
We had this stupid segment,
dude.

1757
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:57,720
Mike and I were.
Talking, we had a guest that

1758
01:27:57,720 --> 01:27:59,920
build.
Oh, there's my blood person.

1759
01:27:59,920 --> 01:28:01,160
I have to skip out.
I'll be right back.

1760
01:28:01,480 --> 01:28:05,480
OK, I'll tell you the story.
So the.

1761
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:07,840
The.
Guest didn't show up that day

1762
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:09,520
and we were ending.
The podcast.

1763
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:11,680
And we were just.
Kind of winding down.

1764
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:15,120
And somehow he said something
like, you know, if you want to

1765
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:16,800
be a guest on the show, just
reach out.

1766
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:19,040
As long as you're breathing, you
know, it doesn't matter if

1767
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,160
you're a zombie.
And I was like, well, it'd be

1768
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:23,840
kind of tough to have a zombie
for a whole podcast.

1769
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:25,920
You know, we might be able to do
a short with them.

1770
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:29,040
But, you know, and he agreed.
And then we were just kind of

1771
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:31,680
being funny from there.
Well, that thing went.

1772
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:36,840
Viral and all of a sudden people
just started reaching out to us.

1773
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:39,920
And not that he doesn't go out
and pick out guests because

1774
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:42,960
they're still people that we
actually want on the show that

1775
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:44,720
are, you know, at the next level
now.

1776
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:49,720
So I guess that's kind of our
fun time is now we get to kind

1777
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:52,560
of pick who we want.
We'd really liked.

1778
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:55,600
We had a guy that built a guitar
for Peter Klatt from Candlebox,

1779
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,320
and that's where Chris and I
met, was at a Candlebox show.

1780
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:02,920
So like one of our dream guests
is to have Peter on with the guy

1781
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:05,840
that built the guitar for him.
And, you know, after the Candle

1782
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:08,320
Box tour ends, we'd like to try
to make that happen.

1783
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:11,000
That's kind of where we're at is
getting to that next level, you

1784
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:12,240
know?
Yeah.

1785
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:16,880
But my other hope and.
It goes right along.

1786
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:20,840
With what you want is that one
of you guys like Dave yourself,

1787
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:26,280
hopefully all of you when you
blow up you've been here done

1788
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:29,160
that you know we're going to
ride that wave together that's

1789
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:30,960
all.
Another vision that I had is,

1790
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:37,320
you know help keep promoting the
guest because the chances over

1791
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:41,200
time of 1 of you guys just taken
off is pretty good.

1792
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:44,200
Yeah.
You know you're not going to

1793
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:46,360
give up on your dream.
We're not going to give up on.

1794
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:51,000
This dream.
One of us, if we get to that

1795
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:53,040
next level.
We're taking the rest.

1796
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,320
Of you with us, you know, and
vice versa.

1797
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:57,240
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.

1798
01:29:57,680 --> 01:29:59,520
Because our vision's not going
to change.

1799
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:00,280
We're not.
Going to all the.

1800
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:02,280
Sudden become wow, now we got a
million.

1801
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:05,080
Subscribers and you're not
welcome here anymore.

1802
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:08,280
It's just the opposite.
The people who were there in the

1803
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:11,800
beginning are more welcome than
the people who you would think

1804
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:16,400
would be welcome before a No
name or you know, that's how

1805
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:18,840
I've always been.
The people that are loyal to me

1806
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:22,120
at an artist level, I'm hyper
loyal to them.

1807
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:25,080
Yeah.
Because we just keep building

1808
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:26,440
that mountain together, you
know?

1809
01:30:26,440 --> 01:30:28,080
Eventually, all of us are going
to reach the.

1810
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:31,640
Top If we're cool to each other,
yeah, yeah.

1811
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:33,560
Music isn't supposed to be a
competition.

1812
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:35,520
Art isn't supposed.
To be a competition, it's

1813
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:38,120
supposed to.
Be a collective, just like

1814
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:39,400
Chris.
I love his idea.

1815
01:30:39,480 --> 01:30:42,680
You know, now that we've gotten
to know you, it's like, let's

1816
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:44,880
write a song together.
Let's do something that's

1817
01:30:45,440 --> 01:30:49,440
creative together to, you know,
do something other than the

1818
01:30:49,440 --> 01:30:52,240
podcast.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

1819
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:54,560
You can make something really
interesting and really fun.

1820
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:57,400
And have a great time.
Doing it and you know, it can

1821
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:01,440
end up making more content and
then it reaches more people.

1822
01:31:01,440 --> 01:31:06,000
And it's, it's such a, a
repeating, recurring process

1823
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:09,360
that feeds itself.
Once you start, once you find

1824
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:12,960
that thing that that you can,
that you can do and that you

1825
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:17,720
really love and want it give,
you know, give yourself into you

1826
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:19,640
can really make something,
something with that.

1827
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:22,080
So I would encourage the people
who are are listening and I'm

1828
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:26,480
waiting to try and start that
thing, man, start that thing.

1829
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:31,000
Don't wait for it.
Start making small.

1830
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:33,480
Steps.
You don't need to go 100% into

1831
01:31:33,480 --> 01:31:35,440
it.
Start making some small steps

1832
01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:38,600
and something that's tangible
and when you do that, not only

1833
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:42,760
will you feel better, but you'll
start to make progress towards

1834
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:46,200
the goal in the life that you
want to create.

1835
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:50,680
And people are bowled over when
one of the most brilliant

1836
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:53,160
things.
I ever heard past what you just

1837
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:56,480
said is a guy.
I asked a guy one time, you

1838
01:31:56,480 --> 01:32:00,480
know, when is a good time to
start XY or Z, and he said,

1839
01:32:00,480 --> 01:32:05,240
well, ten years ago, but today
is your second best option.

1840
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:07,240
Yeah, right.
Hell yeah.

1841
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:10,120
Yeah, you should have done it 15
years ago.

1842
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:12,080
But there's no.
Time like today.

1843
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:16,320
So if you ask me what the best
option is and I never forgot

1844
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:17,400
that.
He's like being.

1845
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:20,920
Honest with you, Mike, 10 years
ago, but today is the next best

1846
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:22,040
option.
So.

1847
01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:23,880
And that's exactly what you just
said.

1848
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:26,160
People say, how did you start
the podcast?

1849
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:27,200
We just started.
Yeah.

1850
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:31,720
And you know Chris, Chris has
been on.

1851
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:33,360
Syndicated radio.
It's like.

1852
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:37,720
I knew I was OK with him.
I had to grow and come out of my

1853
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:40,480
shell and learn.
I don't think about the fact

1854
01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:42,680
there's 81 countries listening
to us right now.

1855
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:47,920
I, I can't, it's not my, my
composition as a human being is

1856
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:53,520
not made-up to process that.
You know, his best advice to me

1857
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:55,040
was it's just me and you talking
man.

1858
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:56,640
It's.
Your brother sitting.

1859
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:59,840
Across from you and now I knew
you were coming on.

1860
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:02,440
So now it's another musician.
I'm comfortable talking to

1861
01:33:02,440 --> 01:33:06,040
musicians, you know so I I just
don't think about the fact that

1862
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:09,080
we're growing in the audience is
growing and I think that's

1863
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:13,320
another thing that's the warts
were genuine to you know people

1864
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:16,640
realize if you go back to the
first 50 episodes, at least from

1865
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:21,720
my perspective, it took a while
for me to be able to be myself

1866
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:24,960
and open up.
I've never been that vulnerable

1867
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:27,840
with people I don't know is my
point right.

1868
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:31,800
Yeah, I've always been that
vulnerable with my family and

1869
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:33,040
Chris.
And people.

1870
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:37,920
That I trusted I can have these
deep, long conversations.

1871
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:41,040
But the one thing that I never
saw coming is I thought I was

1872
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:42,720
ready to have those
conversations.

1873
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:45,440
And it was harder than I
anticipated to be that

1874
01:33:45,440 --> 01:33:50,000
vulnerable publicly.
Yeah, look at that blood draw

1875
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,520
while you were still on.
The show of talking, that's so

1876
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:54,240
nice.
Dude, well because I did.

1877
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:55,960
I go.
I get tired of having to go to

1878
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:57,800
the frickin.
Like the labs and then you?

1879
01:33:57,800 --> 01:33:59,840
Got to sit there for an hour,
even if you have an appointment.

1880
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:02,160
So I'm like, how much does it
cost to send?

1881
01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:04,560
OK, I'll pay that.
Boom.

1882
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:07,440
In and out. 10 minutes.
Less than 10 minutes.

1883
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:10,000
Actually, it's way less than 10
minutes.

1884
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:11,320
Yeah.
Right here on the podcast.

1885
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:12,880
Yeah.
It's just, it makes it so.

1886
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:14,760
Much easier, man.
So much easier.

1887
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:18,200
And he got to listen to the
podcast live while he was

1888
01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:20,880
getting his blood drawn.
Yeah, exactly.

1889
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:23,120
I was going to have her come on
her, but I was like that.

1890
01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:24,600
That's probably a little.
Weird.

1891
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:31,480
Well, I will say for streaming.
I mean, yeah, I would have got

1892
01:34:31,480 --> 01:34:33,320
something right.
Who would have known, right?

1893
01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:36,280
Vampires would have loved it.
Oh, the vampire.

1894
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:38,040
Oh, we could have hashtag
vampire.

1895
01:34:38,480 --> 01:34:41,600
Oh shit, we were looking at the
vampire demographic.

1896
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:44,200
Man, you we would have looked.
Oh, that would have been

1897
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:46,400
amazing.
Dude, what was I thinking?

1898
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:47,320
Damn it.
Yeah.

1899
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:56,400
Only a doctor, right?
Yeah.

1900
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:58,320
Yeah.
But I heard the I heard all the

1901
01:34:58,320 --> 01:34:59,760
things that you were.
Talking about because I left.

1902
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:01,560
My pods in so you know, good.
Job.

1903
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:03,520
Oh, great, great.
Yeah, yeah.

1904
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:06,840
So what else want to?
Talk about I'm back now.

1905
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:13,560
Oh, so I still so.
Yeah, the so we'll still have a

1906
01:35:14,200 --> 01:35:16,920
we've got these.
OK, so I did the next thing that

1907
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:21,080
I've got coming out is I did
these videos with Stage Dive and

1908
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:23,240
if it's OK, what's what's?
Yeah, thank you.

1909
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:25,960
So Stage Dive is a company
that's based.

1910
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:29,400
Out of Cleveland.
And Ohio.

1911
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:32,680
And I figured, yeah, is there
one that won Cleveland?

1912
01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:35,080
There is actually really
there's.

1913
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:35,720
There's.
Yes.

1914
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:37,240
There's multiple Cleveland.
No shit.

1915
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:39,800
There are?
Wow, I had no idea.

1916
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:41,720
Yeah, there's one in Tennessee.
Actually.

1917
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:43,120
Yeah.
But.

1918
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:46,640
There's the the real Cleveland.
Which is in Ohio and they're

1919
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:53,320
they're a really they do audio
and video recordings of bands.

1920
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:59,960
So their Forte is to get your
band in a some particular, you

1921
01:35:59,960 --> 01:36:04,040
know, venue, what whatever, you
know, stage that is, light it up

1922
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:08,640
all nice and then actually
record you in the room and make

1923
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:12,080
a high def 4K video.
That's that's amazing.

1924
01:36:12,440 --> 01:36:14,760
And yeah, it is it's super
awesome.

1925
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:17,000
And so for.
Me at the time.

1926
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:21,880
It was a logistical nightmare to
try and get the guys who

1927
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:26,080
recorded on the record to play
it all again, you know, a live

1928
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:28,200
thing and do it all live
together like it.

1929
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:30,240
It would have, it would have
been a logistical nightmare.

1930
01:36:30,440 --> 01:36:33,160
But what what would be really
stupid simple for me to do and

1931
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:36,120
be awesome is if I could go
there and play the songs

1932
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:38,960
acoustically and sing them.
Oh, yeah.

1933
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,280
So I've got these new videos
that we're going to come out

1934
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:42,880
with.
They're sitting in my inbox.

1935
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:44,200
Right.
Now I've just got to check them

1936
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:46,360
and and then I'm going to set
them up.

1937
01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:49,160
But I've I've already got the
preview of them and they're

1938
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:54,880
really, really dope and it's
really intimate, you know, real

1939
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:59,080
stripped down version of all the
songs from a version to normalcy

1940
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:01,400
in short.
So only about like a minute or a

1941
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:03,680
minute and 1/2 or so long.
Right on.

1942
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:06,560
And they're gonna they're,
they're, I'm gonna have fun

1943
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:07,760
spreading those around Those,
those.

1944
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:09,040
Are gonna be coming.
Up soon?

1945
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:13,400
Hell yeah, brother.
That's really.

1946
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:14,720
Cool, man.
Yeah.

1947
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:15,560
Thanks.
Yeah.

1948
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:17,240
So if you guys.
Are if you guys?

1949
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:19,040
Are out there look they're.
Mobile.

1950
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:23,320
Stage dive, they'll come to you.
So for example, they're based

1951
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:24,240
out of.
Cleveland I.

1952
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:28,600
Met them down in Columbia, TN
just South of Nashville to go

1953
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:30,520
and record the stuff at the Mule
House.

1954
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:34,520
And if you don't know the Mule
House that is a dope as venue

1955
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:38,120
that is that is South of
Nashville and it it's up.

1956
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:40,920
I mean, the room was so dead.
It was unbelievable.

1957
01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:44,640
Like it was like you go and clap
your hands in, in this big, you

1958
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:48,400
know, it's a solid 1000 people,
I think seats in this in this

1959
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:50,960
theater, 2 tiers, right?
There's a four tier and there's

1960
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:53,640
a balcony tier and it's super
dead.

1961
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:57,480
Like it, it's unbelievable.
You it's as good as a as a

1962
01:37:57,560 --> 01:37:59,880
recording studio.
That's and it's a venue.

1963
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:03,680
That's the way the big room and
the electric ballroom was.

1964
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:06,960
Yeah, yeah.
It was a huge room, but it was

1965
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:09,000
there was so much wood.
In there and.

1966
01:38:09,480 --> 01:38:15,800
It was just broken up so nicely
that there was a little bit of

1967
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:19,080
slap back against the back wall.
But for the most part, bands

1968
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:21,640
love playing there for the same
reason you just described the

1969
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:23,120
big room with the electric
ballroom.

1970
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:27,680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Which is our origin.

1971
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:30,480
Story, Mike Yeah.
Which was if you tell the story,

1972
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:31,360
it.
Was.

1973
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:34,720
That was fun dude.
That was so funny.

1974
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:38,360
You know he might might.
Told to give Dave the story

1975
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:39,680
justice.
That was a blast, man.

1976
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:45,320
Yeah, yeah, just.
And I'm one of those weird

1977
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:48,600
people that I, I well.
I spend a lot of time by myself,

1978
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:51,520
so I got a lot of time to think.
There's times where that thought

1979
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:54,080
will enter my mind.
It's like, had I not chosen to

1980
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:59,240
go to that show that night, the
version of Nemesis right became

1981
01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:00,640
would have never happened,
right?

1982
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:03,120
Because he went alone.
Yeah, I was by myself.

1983
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:06,320
He was with Nikki, said I.
Think you were newly dating at?

1984
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:07,240
The time, weren't you?
Yep.

1985
01:39:07,320 --> 01:39:10,960
Yep.
Yeah, so I was like, fuck it,

1986
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:12,640
I've always.
Wanted to see Candlebox.

1987
01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:14,400
I was in love with that first
album.

1988
01:39:14,480 --> 01:39:17,760
And I'm going to get to see him
at a venue that, like you just

1989
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:21,240
described, Shawn, it held
probably anywhere from 1000 to

1990
01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:25,400
1500 people on the main side.
What better place are you going

1991
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:28,040
to get to see him?
I was like 18 feet away from the

1992
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:31,200
front of the stage.
Yeah, because Chris and I were

1993
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:33,400
standing back behind the sound
board so we could see.

1994
01:39:33,400 --> 01:39:34,840
The whole stage and you could
hear the.

1995
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:36,880
Sound really good.
I don't like to be upfront

1996
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:41,560
because the sound isn't as good.
Yeah, yeah, here's this Jackass

1997
01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:44,080
singing with the guy.
And all of a sudden I'm like.

1998
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:48,320
Look looking like this, which
back then nobody looked like

1999
01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:49,520
this Sean like.
Nobody.

2000
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:51,680
Like I did this shit and it
wasn't.

2001
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:53,600
It wasn't.
Was that bald when I met you?

2002
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:56,720
You were not you, OK?
You had like you had short,

2003
01:39:56,720 --> 01:39:57,880
short hair.
OK.

2004
01:39:57,880 --> 01:39:58,960
Yeah.
'Cause that was when I was in, I

2005
01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:00,760
got into real.
Estate so I had some short hair

2006
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:02,800
because people I looked way too
young.

2007
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:04,480
So that's that's one of the best
stories ever.

2008
01:40:04,480 --> 01:40:06,040
You showed up for band practice,
right?

2009
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:07,200
That's right.
That's right.

2010
01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:09,840
I forgot that OK.
But yeah, yeah, and.

2011
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:12,800
In true Chris fashion, he just
showed up and didn't say

2012
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:13,640
anything.
Sean.

2013
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:16,680
It's like it was time for
practice and I just walked in

2014
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:19,560
the door like this.
He grabs his microphone, throws

2015
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:21,760
his hat.
Down and like let's go and

2016
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:23,200
we're.
Like time out fucker.

2017
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:26,040
Yeah, wait a second, wait a
second.

2018
01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:29,800
Take that a little.
Further, whenever that happened,

2019
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:31,320
that was socially.
Unacceptable.

2020
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:33,160
I was in.
I was in a play.

2021
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:34,360
I.
Was in a play I was playing that

2022
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:35,880
I was I was a character actor
in.

2023
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:37,680
This play, so his name was
Morrison.

2024
01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:41,840
So I, I, I turned him into this
bald Butler, that kind of kind

2025
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:47,360
of Penguin ish walked on stage,
you know, and had this really

2026
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:49,360
annoying voice.
I won't do it because it'd be

2027
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:52,920
annoying on a microphone.
But the bald, the dress

2028
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:55,640
rehearsal when we when they took
the ball cap off me, it ripped.

2029
01:40:56,760 --> 01:41:00,040
Well, back then, the only place
to get ball caps was New York.

2030
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:02,280
And opening night was.
The following night.

2031
01:41:02,440 --> 01:41:05,520
So they're like, we have a
problem, Chris the ball crap,

2032
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:06,600
RIP.
We can't get that on for at

2033
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:07,800
least two weeks.
What you want to do?

2034
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:12,040
Fuck it, I'll shave my head.
And they're all like what I'm

2035
01:41:12,040 --> 01:41:13,440
like.
This is my.

2036
01:41:13,440 --> 01:41:15,200
Character man I you let me
create him.

2037
01:41:15,200 --> 01:41:17,080
This director's name was Santa.
I was like, let me make this

2038
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:17,600
guy.
Sandy.

2039
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:19,480
So I'll just shave my head.
Are you sure?

2040
01:41:19,480 --> 01:41:21,800
Like that'll grow back.
Yeah.

2041
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:23,600
Perfect head for it.
Yeah.

2042
01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:26,400
You've never grown your hair
back.

2043
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:28,360
Since have you?
No, I did it.

2044
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:30,960
Well, when I did, I was doing a
show called Good News Arizona

2045
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:33,880
when COVID hit because I was
tired all the negative shit.

2046
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:36,200
So I just on the whim, we did
that for a. 106.

2047
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:40,040
Episodes It's kind of like this,
but a little more structured and

2048
01:41:40,040 --> 01:41:42,560
shit.
So during that, I think the

2049
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:46,960
second or third week into that
show, I told Dean my my Co host

2050
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:48,120
of the time.
I was like, I'm going to grow my

2051
01:41:48,120 --> 01:41:51,040
hair back until they release
some, some some stupid shit was

2052
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:52,400
going on.
You know, the opening and

2053
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:54,680
closing of the world.
So I'm gonna grow my hair back

2054
01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:57,200
till they open the world again.
And I got about 6 week.

2055
01:41:57,200 --> 01:41:59,080
I'm like, fuck this man.
And I shaved it.

2056
01:41:59,480 --> 01:42:03,040
I just, I didn't like it.
I just, I couldn't deal because

2057
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:06,120
I've, it's been so long, you
know, it's just, I've never, I

2058
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:08,240
haven't had hair for so long.
Every now and then I give Nicky

2059
01:42:08,240 --> 01:42:09,760
shit.
Do you ever wish that you could

2060
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:12,600
reach down to fill a full head
of hair, You know, down there,

2061
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:17,200
you know, down there.
And she's like, no, because I

2062
01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:20,200
have wigs.
You have wigs.

2063
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:23,600
He does.
Oh, that would be a whole

2064
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:25,080
podcast.
Yeah.

2065
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:25,600
What?
That was a.

2066
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:26,720
Mask.
Yeah, I had a mask.

2067
01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:28,400
I had so during COVID.
Man, I had.

2068
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:29,880
Everybody had to wear masks.
Right.

2069
01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:33,640
I actually have them.
Yeah, I swear you wore a wig on

2070
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:36,520
the show too for Halloween.
Probably.

2071
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:38,600
Probably so.
During COVID you had to wear

2072
01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:39,880
masks.
I was tired of those stupid

2073
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:42,120
masks.
So I went and found masks.

2074
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:47,560
Of course you did.
This this is a.

2075
01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:49,080
Roadie.
This is the roadie.

2076
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:51,960
It's from a company.
It's from a company called

2077
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:55,200
Zagoni Industries.
They're they're badass.

2078
01:42:55,200 --> 01:42:58,400
Dude, the the, the mouths move
with you.

2079
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:03,720
This is a cool one.
It's a hat, and the mouth moves

2080
01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:11,000
when you talk.
That's like a messed up Mario or

2081
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:16,320
something like Oh yeah, Oh yeah.
So legit.

2082
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:17,960
You can hear.
The you can see the mouth moving

2083
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:19,160
right?
You're gonna put the.

2084
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:21,440
Hat on and you.
You know, I actually walked

2085
01:43:21,440 --> 01:43:22,960
through the airport wearing a
mask like this.

2086
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:28,000
Nobody said a fucking thing.
I wouldn't have said anything to

2087
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:30,280
you.
That's hilarious.

2088
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:33,560
The TSA wasn't like, dude, what
the hell are you doing?

2089
01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:35,760
Because I could.
Just see throughout of the.

2090
01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:37,720
X-ray.
So they're like, I had whatever,

2091
01:43:37,720 --> 01:43:40,080
sunglasses on everything.
Sunglasses and a hat.

2092
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:42,240
Nobody said a thing.
Oh my God.

2093
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:47,520
Fucking crazy that's.
That's hilarious.

2094
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:48,920
See.
So you put the hat on?

2095
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:50,800
Yeah.
What's up, Sean?

2096
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:55,400
What's up man?
Just flying to Dallas.

2097
01:43:56,280 --> 01:43:57,480
I don't.
Know where Dave is, Mike?

2098
01:43:57,720 --> 01:43:58,800
I have. 1.
Called Dave, but I.

2099
01:43:58,800 --> 01:43:59,800
Don't know where he is right
now.

2100
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:01,560
You better.
Find it because he's got to make

2101
01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:05,760
an appearance again, Dave.
Dave's from Ireland, so when

2102
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:07,080
Dave comes on the show, it's
talking.

2103
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:08,000
Like this?
The entire team.

2104
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:11,600
He gets this Irish accent.
There he go.

2105
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:13,680
There he goes from the other
land, holding.

2106
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:20,080
Up Potatoes and the Pete.
What about piss on Sean?

2107
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:21,440
Let's go get our piss on, shall
we?

2108
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:23,880
Get totally pissed.
Yeah, that's totally pissed.

2109
01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:27,440
Totally pissed if anybody wants.
To hear Dave, he's in the 1st

2110
01:44:27,440 --> 01:44:28,760
50.
Episodes find.

2111
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:30,800
Dave from Ireland.
I'm pretty sure that's the name

2112
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:39,440
of the episode Steve from.
Ireland, Yeah, you know, again.

2113
01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:41,280
If you can't have fun.
What the fuck are you doing in

2114
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:43,840
life, man?
Well, we were talking about ways

2115
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:46,920
that he helped me come out of my
shell, that was.

2116
01:44:46,920 --> 01:44:49,600
One of them, he would do silly
shit like that dude, you know,

2117
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:51,760
just to make sure that I wasn't
sitting here like a bump on a

2118
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:54,720
walk.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2119
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:56,800
Fuck.
You're fun to talk to you soon.

2120
01:44:58,000 --> 01:44:59,440
Hell yeah man, you.
Guys too dude, I.

2121
01:44:59,440 --> 01:45:03,840
Love this, this is great.
All right, what else we want to

2122
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:06,640
talk about?
Well, I definitely want.

2123
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:09,280
Him to seriously consider that
idea.

2124
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:11,320
Of.
Sending you a tune to

2125
01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:14,280
collaborate with for sure.
I will, you know, be a blast,

2126
01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:16,400
man.
I'll, I'll tell you what right

2127
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:19,840
now.
I'm working on AII recently got

2128
01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:25,360
it my. 1st order for a for a
custom song and I'm refining

2129
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:27,800
that that process.
So once I get done with that,

2130
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:32,240
then I'll, I'll immediately lay
down some acoustic guitar stuff

2131
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:34,240
because that's super easy for me
to do.

2132
01:45:34,720 --> 01:45:38,680
And then I assume you'll, Mike,
you'll have some distorted

2133
01:45:38,680 --> 01:45:40,560
guitars to put on top of it,
right?

2134
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:44,440
Absolutely.
Off and rack Studio 1.

2135
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:46,040
Right here.
There you go.

2136
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:47,480
Yeah.
Yeah.

2137
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:48,520
All I need.
Yeah.

2138
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:51,040
We we can make something.
I mean, hey, if you guys.

2139
01:45:51,080 --> 01:45:53,440
If you guys wanted to, we could.
You know we could do.

2140
01:45:53,440 --> 01:45:55,800
A cover or we can do something
original.

2141
01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:58,040
Which would you rather do?
Original.

2142
01:45:58,480 --> 01:45:59,880
Original.
OK, Yeah, right.

2143
01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:02,680
More of the original.
More of the original guys.

2144
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:06,280
Covers are cool if I like.
I like covers when they change

2145
01:46:06,280 --> 01:46:09,320
them up.
Like I I like how how disturbed

2146
01:46:09,320 --> 01:46:11,320
did sound of silence right?
I like that.

2147
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:14,600
I liked how Hailstorm did.
Did they?

2148
01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:18,920
What they do they do they did in
the air tonight.

2149
01:46:18,920 --> 01:46:22,160
Didn't she do any air tonight?
I think you're right.

2150
01:46:22,160 --> 01:46:24,320
I think she can't swear to it.
Yeah, I, I.

2151
01:46:24,480 --> 01:46:26,720
I dug how she I.
Liked how I liked how Manson did

2152
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:28,200
in the air.
Tonight, because it Manson's

2153
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:30,960
dark anyway, so he took a total
dark spin on that thing.

2154
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:34,840
Here's another good one.
None that's blew me away was 9

2155
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:38,160
Inch Nails.
Version of No, it wasn't 9 inch

2156
01:46:38,160 --> 01:46:40,480
nails.
It was who did Cinnamon Girl.

2157
01:46:43,240 --> 01:46:45,080
Oh was it corn?
Oh, it's.

2158
01:46:45,080 --> 01:46:47,040
A heavy band.
It's somebody dark like that.

2159
01:46:47,080 --> 01:46:49,320
Oh, they're yelling at me now,
Zombie.

2160
01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:51,320
He was a big.
He died.

2161
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:53,920
He was a.
Burly like, built like.

2162
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:56,920
A brick shit house dude, Fuck, I
don't know, I'm drawing a blank.

2163
01:46:56,920 --> 01:46:59,040
God damn it, that's a good.
Version too.

2164
01:46:59,160 --> 01:47:03,280
Amy Lee during COVID did.
Going to California, That'll

2165
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:05,120
make you cry.
Oh yeah?

2166
01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:07,600
Oh no shit.
OK, look that up on YouTube.

2167
01:47:08,240 --> 01:47:09,560
It'll bring tears.
To your eyes.

2168
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:13,120
Yeah, Amy Lee, she did.
One with where I was watching

2169
01:47:13,120 --> 01:47:15,400
the old unplugged.
Series the other day.

2170
01:47:15,400 --> 01:47:18,520
Oh right, I saw that she that
one of the last episodes they

2171
01:47:18,520 --> 01:47:20,320
did was with Korn.
And they?

2172
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:23,520
Brought on Amy.
Lee to do make me dad.

2173
01:47:24,240 --> 01:47:26,000
Unreal.
Really.

2174
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:28,440
Yeah.
If you if you haven't gone and

2175
01:47:28,440 --> 01:47:31,560
seen it, go and watch it.
Ain't putting Amy Lee's vocals

2176
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:34,040
with corn.
OK, It's so typo.

2177
01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:36,240
But then you start to think it's
like, dude, you put Amy Lee with

2178
01:47:36,280 --> 01:47:39,200
anything.
She's like the Nutella of music.

2179
01:47:39,200 --> 01:47:42,000
She goes with everything.
She can sing the phone.

2180
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:43,680
That's that's.
And that's the thing that I

2181
01:47:43,680 --> 01:47:44,880
love.
I've talked about before.

2182
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:46,560
And you probably do.
Too, Sean Love.

2183
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:49,720
About female vocalists, man,
yeah, They just, they could do

2184
01:47:49,720 --> 01:47:54,960
fucking anything, especially
with that heavy ass background,

2185
01:47:55,240 --> 01:47:56,520
yeah.
And like Chris said, when they

2186
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:58,040
have that touch.
Of.

2187
01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:01,600
Rasp to their voice that, you
know, they're hitting the key.

2188
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:04,840
But they got that character, as
I like to call it, you know?

2189
01:48:04,840 --> 01:48:05,720
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.

2190
01:48:05,880 --> 01:48:07,800
The chick who took over for
Chester Bennington.

2191
01:48:07,800 --> 01:48:10,600
Man Like what the fuck is this?
About then you, then you hear

2192
01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:11,720
her sing.
It's like, my bad.

2193
01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:14,400
She's yeah, yeah.
Oh, you can do it.

2194
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:17,440
You can do this fine.
Yeah, 'cause those are big.

2195
01:48:17,440 --> 01:48:19,480
Shoes to fill, and one of the
best of them.

2196
01:48:20,120 --> 01:48:24,960
Yeah, And she chilled and I was
like, fuck, OK, OK never going

2197
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:26,480
to doubt you again.
Never, Never.

2198
01:48:26,480 --> 01:48:28,320
Never.
Yeah, never.

2199
01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:30,240
And then you have Whitney
Houston, who could sing like

2200
01:48:30,240 --> 01:48:34,840
nobody's business and still by
far has the best live rendition

2201
01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:38,720
of the national anthem in the
history of music by Atlanta.

2202
01:48:38,720 --> 01:48:40,160
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.

2203
01:48:40,200 --> 01:48:41,400
Everybody's like, well, Chris
Stapleton.

2204
01:48:41,400 --> 01:48:42,880
Well, Chris Stapleton was.
Good.

2205
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:44,440
Whitney.
Hers.

2206
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:48,160
Hers has blown everybody away
for 40 years.

2207
01:48:48,160 --> 01:48:49,680
Now it's.
The for a 90.

2208
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:53,120
Second song for her to take her
voice the way she did in 90.

2209
01:48:53,120 --> 01:48:56,560
Seconds and not annoy you.
A lot of people, they try to

2210
01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:59,560
hold those notes out or use
their vibrato.

2211
01:48:59,560 --> 01:49:02,200
And it's just ridiculous.
And she just did it.

2212
01:49:02,200 --> 01:49:04,680
She just, it was the
quintessential version of that

2213
01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:06,360
song.
And I'll fight you to the death

2214
01:49:06,360 --> 01:49:07,080
if you.
Disagree.

2215
01:49:07,440 --> 01:49:09,560
I agree.
I know you too, but I'm just

2216
01:49:09,560 --> 01:49:13,240
saying, I'm just saying that's
just, you know, some people hit,

2217
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:15,760
hit, hit that like you said,
some people just destroyed now

2218
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:17,880
Stapleton's version.
Was good.

2219
01:49:18,280 --> 01:49:22,480
It was a nice refreshing take on
it from, you know, a lot of fuck

2220
01:49:22,480 --> 01:49:25,600
nuts doing it, but I did.
I used to do that song with my

2221
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:27,040
vocal coach.
That was one of the songs I did

2222
01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:32,640
that and and one of the songs
from the stupid play Les

2223
01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:34,040
misrawls.
He used to have me one up to a

2224
01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:36,720
song from in Les misrawls, the
play Les Miserables.

2225
01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:39,640
However, you say that and and
the and the national anthem.

2226
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:41,120
When he first threw me to the
national anthem.

2227
01:49:41,120 --> 01:49:43,640
Oh, I fucking got that.
That song is so hard.

2228
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:47,040
It is that is so hard, yeah,
nobody.

2229
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:49,360
Isn't the idea how hard that
song is so?

2230
01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:51,320
When you have some like.
Roseanne Barr, step up to sing

2231
01:49:51,320 --> 01:49:53,000
that shit.
It's like, what the fuck are you

2232
01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:55,960
thinking, man?
Yeah, yeah, for real.

2233
01:49:57,160 --> 01:50:00,120
And I especially, yeah,
especially from a young age.

2234
01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:02,600
Like, people would be like, oh,
it's just singing the anthem,

2235
01:50:02,600 --> 01:50:04,440
like at a football game, what's
the big deal?

2236
01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:06,120
What do you mean what's a big
deal?

2237
01:50:06,120 --> 01:50:08,040
It's a big fucking deal.
Like, come on, honey.

2238
01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:10,400
Like you have to be because
you're doing it a Capella.

2239
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:14,040
You have to start from the right
point and keep the tone centre

2240
01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:17,200
the whole time.
And that is such a difficult

2241
01:50:17,200 --> 01:50:21,080
thing for young singers to do.
Yeah, any singer to do.

2242
01:50:21,080 --> 01:50:23,920
It's not an easy song to sing
unless you're something like

2243
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:25,520
what in Houston that.
Just and she.

2244
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:28,200
Nailed that shit.
Yeah, just nailed it.

2245
01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:30,680
It was a hard song to warm up
to, but once, once I was a year

2246
01:50:30,680 --> 01:50:32,520
in with him I I understood.
Why?

2247
01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:34,080
Because it.
Takes you on so many different

2248
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:37,040
levels from vocals and the
strength of your voice in the

2249
01:50:37,040 --> 01:50:39,920
different notes and and edge
like that's brilliant Well, like

2250
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:44,520
Sean said it it gets your brain
tone centered you know so now

2251
01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:46,640
you're.
Thinking about where all those

2252
01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:51,240
different changes are in your
melodies and if you can hit the

2253
01:50:51,240 --> 01:50:54,200
amount of changes that are in
that song, you're going to be

2254
01:50:54,200 --> 01:50:56,800
able to sing a rock song pretty
easy because the key doesn't

2255
01:50:56,800 --> 01:50:58,720
change.
And that's what was amazing

2256
01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:01,040
about Wendy Houston.
Her to control of her of her

2257
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:02,960
instrument.
She could control that and just.

2258
01:51:03,120 --> 01:51:06,880
Just on a on a millisecond,
change it and you just what the

2259
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:09,320
fuck?
Yeah, like what the fuck?

2260
01:51:09,320 --> 01:51:12,080
So effortlessly.
And then she.

2261
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:13,680
Met Bobby Brown and Oded in the.
Bathtub.

2262
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:17,720
What the fuck, Whitney?
Yeah, one of the saddest ends.

2263
01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:19,440
I mean, right.
Totally.

2264
01:51:19,560 --> 01:51:22,240
There's another moment in time.
What if that night had never

2265
01:51:22,240 --> 01:51:23,080
happened?
What if you know?

2266
01:51:24,440 --> 01:51:26,400
Yeah, I.
Mean Michael Jackson met the

2267
01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:29,840
wrong Doctor Amy Winehouse.
Is another one that's that's.

2268
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:31,840
Another one that that every.
Time I hear rehab.

2269
01:51:31,840 --> 01:51:33,640
I'm like, you should have went.
Yep.

2270
01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:36,240
Yeah, right.
Yeah, just go.

2271
01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:38,480
Just she just said no, Brown is
not that.

2272
01:51:38,480 --> 01:51:40,080
Great, like come the fuck?
No, he's not.

2273
01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:41,880
You know.
Like that's the thing.

2274
01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:43,000
It was.
So frustrating.

2275
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:45,680
About it, it's right he had new.
Addition he had like.

2276
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:49,280
Einstein or something?
No, no, Dre like.

2277
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:52,080
What is your deal the only?
Thing I can think of from a

2278
01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:53,600
female.
Standpoint Women like the.

2279
01:51:53,600 --> 01:51:55,840
Bad boys, right?
Yeah, they just like the bad

2280
01:51:55,840 --> 01:51:57,320
boys.
Like like whatever reason,

2281
01:51:57,480 --> 01:51:59,320
right?
Like Nikki, Nikki finds men that

2282
01:51:59,320 --> 01:52:02,760
have sleeve art and kind of, you
know, like attractive, which I

2283
01:52:02,760 --> 01:52:05,960
get it's a bad boy, right.
But she likes me because I was

2284
01:52:05,960 --> 01:52:08,400
like, because when, you know, I
was bald when she met me,

2285
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:10,600
because then I grew there.
But I was a bad boy that didn't

2286
01:52:10,600 --> 01:52:13,360
have sleep art.
So I was, you know, a little bad

2287
01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:14,720
boy.
But I was still I was still

2288
01:52:14,720 --> 01:52:16,280
classy.
I was a classy bad boy.

2289
01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:17,480
Yeah.
You know, so.

2290
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:19,240
But I think that's what it is.
I think.

2291
01:52:19,240 --> 01:52:21,040
What way to describe us.
Yeah.

2292
01:52:21,080 --> 01:52:24,600
So I think what is it was was
attracted to the bad boy and

2293
01:52:24,600 --> 01:52:26,160
and.
And he?

2294
01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:29,760
Bobby Brown was a bad boy hit.
That one solo hit My

2295
01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:33,800
Prerogative, which was a great
song, great hook, you know, very

2296
01:52:33,800 --> 01:52:35,320
cool.
But other than that, it was, I

2297
01:52:35,320 --> 01:52:36,560
think it was a new edition,
wasn't he?

2298
01:52:37,120 --> 01:52:38,680
Boy band?
Yeah, I think so.

2299
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:40,720
Yeah.
So there's nothing, you know,

2300
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:43,280
there's nothing exciting about
Bobby Brown other than, you

2301
01:52:43,280 --> 01:52:44,640
know, but I think.
That's what it was, I think it

2302
01:52:44,640 --> 01:52:45,920
was.
Bad boy, she was tired of living

2303
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:50,320
a mommy's shadow because Sicily
Houston was a was a huge

2304
01:52:50,480 --> 01:52:52,840
influence in the industry for
years.

2305
01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:56,080
You know, and you know, and
there's all that.

2306
01:52:56,080 --> 01:52:57,600
That's a depressing way to end
the show.

2307
01:52:57,960 --> 01:53:01,920
Took out a legend.
But hey, it's a good way to

2308
01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:04,520
segue if you're feeling sad.
Depressed.

2309
01:53:04,520 --> 01:53:06,160
Suicidal.
Go, go.

2310
01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:07,800
Journal, Go write something
down.

2311
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:09,520
Go scream in a pillow.
Go outside and run.

2312
01:53:09,880 --> 01:53:12,600
Go work out.
Go to the mall and just find

2313
01:53:12,600 --> 01:53:14,480
somebody to talk to.
Be that guy that sits on the

2314
01:53:14,480 --> 01:53:16,440
curb.
Start throwing some popcorn at

2315
01:53:16,440 --> 01:53:17,880
at a bird until somebody talks
to you.

2316
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:23,160
If you can't do any of that text
988 somebody is there standing

2317
01:53:23,160 --> 01:53:26,040
by to talk to you to help get
you get you in the right

2318
01:53:26,040 --> 01:53:29,920
mindset, you know, talk you off
that Cliff, get you off that

2319
01:53:29,920 --> 01:53:31,600
ledge.
Tomorrow is always a better day

2320
01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:33,920
when you wake up in it.
Mike and I can both attest to

2321
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:36,640
that.
I'm sure Sean in your in your

2322
01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:39,880
lifetime with, you know, being a
veteran stuff you've had fellow

2323
01:53:39,880 --> 01:53:42,520
that's that you know the the the
22 two minutes.

2324
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:44,160
That's a real thing.
If you don't know that people

2325
01:53:45,440 --> 01:53:47,800
and I've called to help many
times, right?

2326
01:53:47,800 --> 01:53:49,960
Daryl Sheets Daryl Sheets
recently from.

2327
01:53:49,960 --> 01:53:52,760
Storage wars lives in lake,
lived in Lake Havasu City I

2328
01:53:52,760 --> 01:53:53,760
think.
Yesterday, the day before he

2329
01:53:53,760 --> 01:53:57,800
killed himself, I just saw that,
oh, like, like, and and then

2330
01:53:57,800 --> 01:53:59,680
somebody chimed in on the thread
like, I can't believe someone

2331
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:00,400
like.
Him would do that.

2332
01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:03,120
Well, OK.
It doesn't matter who you are.

2333
01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:05,320
Like you just said, Sean, you
called the helpline how many

2334
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:07,800
times?
Many, many times, you know, and

2335
01:54:07,800 --> 01:54:11,600
thank you for doing so because
we would have not have a show.

2336
01:54:11,600 --> 01:54:14,680
Today we've said in.
The show several times today as

2337
01:54:14,680 --> 01:54:15,960
artists all.
Three of.

2338
01:54:15,960 --> 01:54:18,800
Us were way more.
Vulnerable than people give you

2339
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:23,480
credit for we're not these
egotistical boisterous art

2340
01:54:23,480 --> 01:54:27,400
touched us and then we cherished
it and we try and put it out

2341
01:54:27,400 --> 01:54:30,720
there in a positive manner.
So and another thing to touch on

2342
01:54:30,720 --> 01:54:32,360
that musicians don't have broad
shoulders.

2343
01:54:32,360 --> 01:54:35,080
So when when you when you, when
you critique.

2344
01:54:35,080 --> 01:54:36,840
Us.
It hurts it.

2345
01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:39,760
Yeah.
It's understand that are so loud

2346
01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:41,680
that make people think we're all
like that.

2347
01:54:42,040 --> 01:54:43,440
Right, but.
But understand.

2348
01:54:43,880 --> 01:54:47,400
We knew coming into this world
you were going to love us or.

2349
01:54:47,400 --> 01:54:50,400
Hate us, but it doesn't mean the
hate doesn't hurt.

2350
01:54:51,120 --> 01:54:53,560
Good point, right?
And it doesn't mean the love

2351
01:54:53,560 --> 01:54:56,040
doesn't freak us the fuck out.
And if you want people, take

2352
01:54:56,040 --> 01:54:57,520
that.
Love to an extreme if you.

2353
01:54:57,520 --> 01:54:58,920
Want a real life example of
that?

2354
01:54:58,920 --> 01:55:01,320
Go to Netflix and watch the.
Nickelback documentary.

2355
01:55:01,400 --> 01:55:03,600
Oh yeah, because Jack.
Kroger says it.

2356
01:55:03,600 --> 01:55:06,360
He says it doesn't matter how
many people tell you to let that

2357
01:55:06,360 --> 01:55:09,960
shit roll off your shoulders
when the whole world hates you.

2358
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:13,360
You feel that shit, and he got
super depressed over it.

2359
01:55:13,400 --> 01:55:15,160
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's just music, man.

2360
01:55:15,160 --> 01:55:17,160
He's just making music.
You're just jealous because he's

2361
01:55:17,160 --> 01:55:18,600
doing something that you
couldn't do.

2362
01:55:18,720 --> 01:55:19,560
Yes.
Right.

2363
01:55:19,560 --> 01:55:21,480
Is Nickelback the greatest band
in the world?

2364
01:55:21,680 --> 01:55:24,040
No.
Do they write great songs that

2365
01:55:24,040 --> 01:55:26,520
people?
Love obviously because they sell

2366
01:55:26,520 --> 01:55:29,400
out every concert they play at,
especially strippers.

2367
01:55:30,160 --> 01:55:33,760
Especially if you if you listen
to some of their songs man.

2368
01:55:34,240 --> 01:55:35,560
Oh my, some of their.
Song You.

2369
01:55:35,640 --> 01:55:38,360
Something better in your mouth.
The song sucks.

2370
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:41,320
Like they have some great
fucking lyrics, man.

2371
01:55:41,600 --> 01:55:43,800
Just just animals.
There's a lion.

2372
01:55:44,200 --> 01:55:47,080
Oh yes, animals.
There's a there's a lion.

2373
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:52,400
There's a lion that he has in
one of the songs that something

2374
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:53,520
about a skirt.
He can't wait.

2375
01:55:53,520 --> 01:55:56,680
To get get underneath that skirt
and and I know the one you're

2376
01:55:56,680 --> 01:55:59,080
talking about, right.
He's totally talking about kind

2377
01:55:59,080 --> 01:56:01,680
of linguist man.
And that was like that is a.

2378
01:56:01,680 --> 01:56:06,720
Brilliant fucking.
Line man and you don't get if

2379
01:56:06,720 --> 01:56:09,360
the hooks that they write don't
make you want to move.

2380
01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:11,600
You're lying to yourself.
You're lying to yourself.

2381
01:56:11,600 --> 01:56:15,240
A lot of people are lying to
themselves and.

2382
01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:18,720
Secretly, if they were sitting.
In a car and it came on, they

2383
01:56:18,720 --> 01:56:20,440
turn the volume up just a little
bit.

2384
01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:24,240
I do believe, I do believe I do
before I do believe.

2385
01:56:24,240 --> 01:56:26,200
Go ahead, go ahead.
There was there.

2386
01:56:26,200 --> 01:56:29,440
Was an essence.
Of it kind of became like a, a

2387
01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:32,160
running joke, just say even
though people didn't really

2388
01:56:32,160 --> 01:56:34,000
actually hate Nickelback, it was
like, oh, they're OK.

2389
01:56:34,280 --> 01:56:37,800
You know, I think it was, it was
just, it's kind of like a, a

2390
01:56:37,800 --> 01:56:41,360
joke that just went way too far
and then people took it way too

2391
01:56:41,360 --> 01:56:42,520
seriously.
I can see that.

2392
01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:44,800
I can see that.
And what you tell yourself is

2393
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:47,400
what you believe, right?
So here's the prime.

2394
01:56:47,400 --> 01:56:49,040
Example about Nickelback they
were.

2395
01:56:49,040 --> 01:56:51,480
Coming to they came to town last
year and I, I was like.

2396
01:56:51,560 --> 01:56:53,920
I've never seen him.
I watched the documentary.

2397
01:56:54,040 --> 01:56:57,280
Love a lot of their music, their
greatest hits, you know every

2398
01:56:57,280 --> 01:56:58,560
song.
It's one of those bands, you

2399
01:56:58,560 --> 01:57:00,920
don't realize it, Aaron, Aaron
Lewis, you don't.

2400
01:57:00,920 --> 01:57:03,240
And Stain, you don't realize it,
Their greatest hitch, you know,

2401
01:57:03,240 --> 01:57:06,280
every fucking song.
Yep, it's so under the radar,

2402
01:57:06,280 --> 01:57:08,160
right?
So I went to buy tickets to go

2403
01:57:08,160 --> 01:57:09,560
take Nikki and I go see
Nickelback.

2404
01:57:09,800 --> 01:57:12,200
The least?
Expensive ticket and the

2405
01:57:12,200 --> 01:57:16,160
nosebleeds was like 700 bucks.
I'm like fuck that Oh my God

2406
01:57:16,160 --> 01:57:18,560
right front.
The front general part was like

2407
01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:21,440
like 2 grand.
It was insane.

2408
01:57:21,600 --> 01:57:23,480
So for those of you say you
don't like Nickelback, you

2409
01:57:23,480 --> 01:57:27,320
fucking paid to see Nickelback.
We're not talking Metallica

2410
01:57:27,320 --> 01:57:30,240
spear money because some of that
shit went aftermarket for 30

2411
01:57:30,240 --> 01:57:34,560
fucking $1000.
But you still are paying money

2412
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:36,360
to see Nickelback.
Why do you want to admit it or

2413
01:57:36,360 --> 01:57:38,640
not?
Oh, and then one more thing

2414
01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:41,000
before we go the other really
cool, really, really, really

2415
01:57:41,000 --> 01:57:42,400
cool version of In the Air
Tonight.

2416
01:57:42,400 --> 01:57:44,080
Which you can't find anywhere.
Except YouTube.

2417
01:57:44,760 --> 01:57:47,520
Chris Daughtry and Brad Arnold,
the late, great Brad Arnold

2418
01:57:47,520 --> 01:57:48,800
down.
Holy shit.

2419
01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:50,080
Have you not seen that one,
Sean?

2420
01:57:50,520 --> 01:57:52,280
Chris Daughtry and Brand Arnold
in the air tonight.

2421
01:57:52,280 --> 01:57:55,480
Fucking amazing.
Amazing, amazing.

2422
01:57:55,920 --> 01:57:58,120
I'm going to go to that.
Yeah.

2423
01:57:58,280 --> 01:57:59,240
Yeah.
That's it.

2424
01:57:59,240 --> 01:58:00,880
That's all we got.
Thank you so much for for being

2425
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:02,360
here today, Sean.
You are amazing human.

2426
01:58:02,840 --> 01:58:04,920
We love that.
You came back and anytime you

2427
01:58:04,920 --> 01:58:07,320
want to come back, dude, just
shoot me a message we'll get you

2428
01:58:07,320 --> 01:58:09,840
back on right on.
Thank you so much for having me

2429
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:11,040
guys.
This is a really great show.

2430
01:58:11,040 --> 01:58:12,880
I love hanging out with you guys
and talk with you guys.

2431
01:58:12,920 --> 01:58:14,640
It's just.
Say that because we paid you.

2432
01:58:14,640 --> 01:58:16,720
We paid you the Zelda on his
way.

2433
01:58:17,120 --> 01:58:21,440
Checks in the mail.
I'll do it because I would truly

2434
01:58:21,440 --> 01:58:23,640
love you guys.
I love you man, I love that.

2435
01:58:23,680 --> 01:58:25,400
I love that.
Love you both, I was looking

2436
01:58:25,400 --> 01:58:27,720
forward to this one.
Yeah, me too, man.

2437
01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:29,360
Me too and then I forgot till
this morning.

2438
01:58:29,360 --> 01:58:31,360
Oh fuck up, I got to tell I.
Forgot to remind Sean.

2439
01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:33,640
So I'm glad you were like, boom.
I'm here, man.

2440
01:58:34,200 --> 01:58:35,240
Oh, I was.
I was on it.

2441
01:58:35,240 --> 01:58:37,000
I'm waiting for you.
Yeah, right on.

2442
01:58:37,040 --> 01:58:38,560
Cool.
He's Mike.

2443
01:58:38,560 --> 01:58:39,520
I'm Chris.
That's the Sean.

2444
01:58:39,520 --> 01:58:41,360
Martin Quarantine, check him
out, just Google Sean.

2445
01:58:41,360 --> 01:58:43,200
Martin, the quarantine, you're
going to find all his stuff.

2446
01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:45,480
Pay attention to this guy
because when he explodes, you

2447
01:58:45,480 --> 01:58:47,640
can be like, oh, I remember him
on the Chris and Mike show.

2448
01:58:47,880 --> 01:58:49,400
Absolutely.
Yeah.

2449
01:58:50,240 --> 01:58:51,640
See you, buddy.
Thanks again, bro.

2450
01:58:51,640 --> 01:58:53,400
Time, man.
Appreciate your time, guys.

2451
01:58:53,640 --> 01:58:54,080
Thank.
You.

2452
01:58:54,280 --> 01:58:55,240
Don't don't leave yet.
Let's.

2453
01:58:55,240 --> 01:58:56,800
Make sure you're uploaded.
Yeah.

2454
01:59:20,160 --> 01:59:24,560
You go, you're betrayal behind
your eyes.

2455
01:59:24,560 --> 01:59:32,920
Feel yourself and need yourself.
Take a moment, look until you

2456
01:59:33,040 --> 01:59:37,120
see it.
Fight your battle and tear.

2457
01:59:37,200 --> 01:59:41,480
Fight your battle, but you fuck
will put you back there to your

2458
01:59:41,480 --> 02:00:52,240
feet.
Come

2459
02:01:05,110 --> 02:01:11,630
down here, we haven't found
solids in the sand from

2460
02:01:11,710 --> 02:01:15,910
fighting.
Wait for the dead when he's

2461
02:01:16,030 --> 02:01:19,830
closer out there and put in the
wind He went.

2462
02:01:20,030 --> 02:01:22,990
No quizzes.
We don't play in the fire and.

2463
02:01:24,070 --> 02:01:26,230
You should keep going on the
Almighty.

2464
02:01:28,280 --> 02:01:36,720
You gotta dream who in your life
to keep our soul in every day?

2465
02:01:36,760 --> 02:01:42,720
Take the trail behind your eyes.
Feel the soul evolution now.

2466
02:01:42,720 --> 02:01:51,480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.

2467
02:01:53,680 --> 02:01:58,760
Take your moment, listen to your
fear, fight your fail and see

2468
02:01:58,760 --> 02:02:27,480
you more clear.
You gotta, You gotta.

2469
02:02:28,160 --> 02:02:29,800
You gotta.
You gotta.

2470
02:02:29,880 --> 02:02:30,800
You gotta.