April 1, 2026
#187 - Sean Martin - The Quarantined
Join us as we explore Sean Martin's journey through music, military service, mental health, and independent artistry. Discover insights on guitar mastery, vocal techniques, navigating the music industry, and overcoming personal challenges.
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And there you have it.
Welcome to the Chris and Mike
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show, ladies and gentlemen.
Chris will be along momentarily.
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He has a project he has to
finish up real quick, but we're
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going to welcome Sean Martin and
he's going to enlighten us on
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all things music, I'm going to
guess, and among other things.
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As much as I can, Yeah, sure.
Well, we were having a great
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conversation before we got
started and I heard Chris in the
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back of my head saying you can
hit record anytime.
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Golden moments.
We're losing valuable
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information here.
So I already know that you like
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to talk music, and I'm going to
assume you're a guitar player.
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Yes, yes.
Guitar player and vocalist.
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Yeah.
OK, I read that.
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Audio engineer too, and.
Exactly.
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Me too.
You have a lot of things in
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common.
Yeah.
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Absolutely.
Do you have a way to turn your?
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I should have told you this
before.
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Do you have a way to turn your
volume up just a little bit?
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Yes, through your microphone.
Yeah.
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Purple let.
Me try to bring this up a little
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bit, how about now sounds?
Way better, dude.
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Yeah, and just stay close to
your mic so we can hear.
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You OK?
Sure.
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Yeah, absolutely.
So what got you started in
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music?
And what I started at nine years
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old playing guitar.
So I kind of never quit from
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there and decided that I wanted
to try it for a living for a
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while.
And I started that journey at 18
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in Chicago and then I moved to
Phoenix and I was 19.
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Then I met Chris shortly
afterwards and we started
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Nemesis.
And that's how we came to do
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this podcast, as we've said a
lot of times.
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But these are, you know, some of
these are stand alone ones.
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So I try and make sure that
everybody understands why we're
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here.
We are talking music.
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What got you started, man?
So it was community choirs when
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I was four years old actually,
so.
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OK, hold on.
Let me interrupt you real quick.
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It was Belle Choir for me at
church.
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I forgot I played in the Belle
choir.
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Right.
Thank you.
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Go on.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
It's So I was doing then I was
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doing opera at seven.
I was one of the little kids in
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an opera production for the
Mendocino Music Festival one
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year.
And then at 12, I picked up the
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guitar and started learning.
You know, the first thing that I
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learned was Green Daytime of
Your Life.
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And then the second song I
learned was Crossroads by Cream.
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And then the third song that I
learned was Purple Haze by Jimi
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Hendrix.
And then after that it was all
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Metallica and Green Day.
Pennywise, you know, Linkin
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Park, when they, when they came
out, especially, I was learning
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a lot of their stuff.
So great.
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Awesome.
Yeah.
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And, you know, I would always
play the, the classics.
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I would always play Zeppelin and
Sabbath.
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And yeah, I, I, I definitely
loved Boston a hell of a lot
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more when I was much older.
But but when I was young, I
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mean, it was a lot of
straightforward, especially like
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9 Inch Nails when they were
coming out like they, they, they
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were, they were really big,
sublime.
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I think you and I would have got
along great.
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Yeah, probably.
It sounds like I was the same
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way.
I liked everything that was good
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but different than what was
going at.
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Like, Sublime wasn't what was
going on at the time, but that
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album was huge, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, they were.
There's a bunch of bands after
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them that tried to be them, but
they were the originators of
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that music, just like Rage
Against the Machine was the
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originator of that style of
music.
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And then along comes Limp
Bizkit.
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We had a legendary DJ on here on
the last episode on Friday, and
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he reminded us of that, you
know?
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Yeah, not that Limp Bizkit's a
bad band, but it's a commercial
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product by product of Rage
Against the Machine.
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You can't argue that at all.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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I would agree.
Yeah, coming from that, they
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they were trying to ride the fad
of having a DJ in your rock
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music.
And you know, that was that goes
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back as well.
You know, you can take it back
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to Aerosmith and run DNC back in
the day, you know, but at least
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they got it really became a
genre.
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Yeah.
That's when that's when it
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really became a genre and a hook
and a whole group of people
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doing it, not just, oh, look at
this one cool thing that we did
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this one time, you know?
Right.
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And boy, did that work.
Yeah.
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That's what you call
overwhelming success.
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Yeah, but the Pennywise, the
Sublime, what else did you
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mention?
There was another one.
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How about like Coc?
Did you listen to Corrosion?
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Oh yeah, yeah, I listen to
Corrosion and Conformity.
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Yeah, they're from around the
same.
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I think they're from around
Sacramento if I'm not mistaken.
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I think you're probably correct.
I don't know to be honest.
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Yeah, it was not.
They were not far.
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Like I remember them even being
mentioned, like in people going,
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you know, oh, we're going to go
to the cursion conformity, you
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know, show and stuff.
Even when I was young and then
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as well, when I was in music
school, I had many of my friends
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who were very, very much fans of
theirs.
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Yeah.
And for the people that don't
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know who The Corrosion of
Conformity is, they would be a
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musician's musician band, like a
band like Metallica looks up to
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Corrosion of Conformity still to
this day.
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You know, they would bow down to
him as just doing it, doing it
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their own way with such a unique
sound.
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I have a producer friend of mine
who said individually, those are
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two of the worst guitar tones in
the history of the universe
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until you blend them together,
right?
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And then it's that beautiful
sound that you hear.
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And by beautiful, if you don't
like distorted guitars, ladies
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and gentlemen, you will not like
Corrosion of Conformity.
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But it is such a wall of sound,
right?
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Yeah.
And he knows those guys
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personally.
He just said it takes such a
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horrible, in his opinion, a
horrible individual sound to
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create that blend.
Yeah, yeah, it makes sense.
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Yeah.
Like you, you've got to figure
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out how it fits into the entire
of what I would say is the
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envelope of the, of the song,
the the envelope of the of the
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sound, you know, So at any given
moment, even though it may be a
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kind of sound, it still fits in
somewhere.
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Because it belongs there
sonically, right?
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Right.
Yeah.
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And, and because there's still a
a tonality and a modality in, in
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the sound of the music that
keeps it all in, in, you know,
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in key.
And so the things out of key
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also say something.
And that's really where the
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artistry of metal really comes
through that sometimes a lot of
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people miss, is that it's not
just about the correct notes you
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play.
It's also about the weird notes
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that bring emotion through.
I'm really good at those, dude.
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Right, because yeah, all the
weird ones.
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And when?
You don't know enough.
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I know.
How do I want to say this?
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I know enough theory to get
myself in trouble, right?
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Yeah, I developed my own sound.
I got lucky in that I found my
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voice on the guitar before I was
technically done learning it
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right.
Yeah.
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But I think that that's such a
great way of putting it.
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I've never thought about that.
It's all those oddball things
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that I do that were near and
dear to people's heart because a
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technically trained musician
would not do such a stupid
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thing, right?
Right, right.
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But exactly.
With what I was doing, and like
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you said, Chris's voice was very
unique and I was able to play
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with that musically.
I could do things on the guitar
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that were countered of what he
was singing for a melody, right?
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And now you have that harmony of
the guitar and the voice
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together.
You just described something I
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painted a picture in my head as
you were talking.
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It's like that's exactly what we
were doing, was fitting
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ourselves into the song, but we
were too stupid to know what we
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were really doing right.
But you could emotionally feel
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it, and that's why you.
Or somebody would say, I'm not
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trying to hurt your feelings or,
you know, but that doesn't work
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there, right?
Something's weird about how it
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sounds.
That's how they would always say
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it.
And you can't argue with that.
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It's like, yeah, you're right.
It's weird.
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Yeah.
But sometimes, you know, going
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through those those aspects of
it, I mean, sometimes it's it's
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the constructive criticism that
needs to be had for the moment.
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But at the same time, you know,
Jimi Hendrix would say no, I
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meant to do that.
So, you know, you can.
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But when you've got, so when
you've got a stylistic way of,
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you know, doing the, the kind of
things on the fret board that,
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that make it speak, that's
that's the kind of little bits
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that that I'm talking about
adding in there.
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And in fact, you were doing it,
you were doing a stylistic
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version when I, when I stepped
on of Eddie Van Halen.
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So when you're adding in those
little, those little bits into
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what to you is just normal, you
know, rote mechanics, then just
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that little bit will give
someone something to look
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forward to and to listen forward
to.
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You know, sometimes we, we as
musicians have to remember that
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a lot of times that's all that
it really takes.
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You don't need to put the whole
bottle of salt on there to get
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someone to understand that you
have command of salt.
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You know what I'm saying, right.
So sometimes a little bit truly
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does.
The long way.
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Sorry brother.
Sure, he might be.
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No, he's back now.
I can hear it.
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OK.
Hello hello command of salt.
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen,
the one and only based on them.
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Right, right.
How are you?
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Sorry, sorry for the welcome
brother, the delay and then I
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got to I got to sneak away.
You're fine. 4:30 because I got
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to shut the other port so I
don't flat out my neighbor, but
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you know my cast.
In here we were nerding out on
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you were nerding.
Out on guitar 'cause I when I
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first came out I heard Sean
saying you were wee wee wee on
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my call guitar talk, which is
awesome.
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And he's an audio engineer and
he's a singer, so you have
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things in common with him as
well.
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So right now, absolutely right
on.
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Cool, he's a musician's
musician.
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That's fantastic.
Mike likes talking guitar talk,
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and that's something I cannot do
for him.
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So it's fun when we have
somebody on that can, you know,
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nerd out with guitars, man.
That's awesome, Sean.
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Yeah, but he is real.
Good.
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I'll be able to do both.
Like, you know, I can talk
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about, you know, vocal stuff
too.
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It's, it's a very important
aspect of, of everything that
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I've been doing since I was very
young.
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Is integrating on the breathing
exercises cool match up to the
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same breathing exercises that
you do to as coping mechanisms
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for panic attacks?
Oh, no shit, right.
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Yeah.
So when you so when you're
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practicing becoming a better
singer by doing the
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diaphragmatic breathing
exercises, guess what?
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You're also training your body
how to get over panic attacks.
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No, I did not know that.
That's crazy.
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Yeah, that's crazy.
And since I never had panic
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attacks, I just can't.
I can just store that in their
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wheelhouse.
OK, It's been a while since I
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did.
Yeah, it's been a while since I
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did all the breathing exercises
and stuff.
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But I I remember doing all that
stuff because I had voice
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lessons throughout my tenure as
a singer, because you got to
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every your voice is like
everything else, right?
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It's an instrument.
You got to treat it right.
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You got to take care of it.
You got to work it out.
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And, you know, a lot of people
don't get that, which I think is
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kind of funny.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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It's a very detailed thing, you
know, it's for me, I've, I've
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lost my voice 3 or 4 times
already and I've been able to,
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to bring it back because of the
things that, that I learned in
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the, from the people that I
trained under.
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That's cool.
And like, that was, and I
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remember the teacher telling me
I'm training, this is what I'm
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training your, your voice to do
so that when these things
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happen, you can feel how to
bring it back instead of just
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knowing how to bring it back.
Right on and that that was like
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some of the most invaluable
things how to to open up the the
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registers and the resonances in
each of the different spots
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where the voice usually comes
from your throat, your nose, the
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front of your of your of your
mouth and your chest that's.
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Cool, man, That's very cool.
I, I, I, I was in shape enough
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from a vocal standpoint.
When I, my last band I was in,
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we went to Nashville and the
first day we were there, I
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thought it was all scratch
vocals.
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Like I thought we were just
recording the music and stuff.
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And we did 4 songs in 12 hours
with a like an hour lunch break.
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And I sang the entire time and I
could talk fine the next day.
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And then when we were done with
the four song, the producer was
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like, OK, we got 4 songs down
and I'm like, well, I got to do
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the vocals.
He's like, you did the vocals?
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I was like what?
And he just, yeah, he took the
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best, the best version of every
song we I sang.
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And just without, without
knowing what I thought was kind
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of cool because then there was
there was absolutely no pressure
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on me at all, at all.
I just, I thought I was just
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scratch recording.
So they were following along
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with the music and then we were
going to come back the next
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steps, lay down the tracks and
he's like, no, you, you're done.
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Like, OK, what the hell are we
going to do tomorrow?
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Yeah.
You know, I think Legend has it
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that's how Stranglehold got
recorded too.
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Really.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
I'm pretty sure that's the first
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take he did, and he did many
more takes after that and never
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liked anything as good as that.
Eruptions the same way they they
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did that to Eddie.
Same trick they did to you.
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That's crazy.
We're just warming up.
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Can you play that thing you've
been playing?
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Wow.
Yeah, and Eddie always hated it
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because he said there's a
mistake at the top of religion
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that bothered him for Yeah.
Wow.
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But the rest of it, I guess was
the best.
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And back then, you know, you
didn't have the option of, I
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don't know, maybe they weren't
cutting tape then or something.
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That's interesting, I never knew
that.
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Or maybe it was in a spot where
you couldn't cut to.
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Yeah, there's so many notes on a
guitar.
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Yeah, when you tell that story.
I was thinking those two
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stories, Eddie's eruption.
And so I'm pretty sure
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strangleholds the first take
too.
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Wow, kind of like Stairway to
Heaven first take.
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Yep, yeah.
Of course people don't
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understand if you're not a
musician, they don't understand
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what well versed musicians Led
Zeppelin was leading up to
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becoming Led Zeppelin.
Jimmy Page played on over half
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of the recordings that came out
of Europe from like 1940
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something to the early 19 or
midnight.
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And then and and.
John Paul, Joan, Same way.
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Yep, studio musicians that just
non-stop just played and played
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and played and played.
And it's kind of like The
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Beatles people.
A lot of people don't understand
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The Beatles.
Hold on.
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Before you go on to that, think
about Led Zeppelin.
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Yeah, I just thought of this.
You got two of the best studio
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musicians arguably in the
history of the world put
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together with two guys who were
playing in a bar band.
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Yeah, yeah.
And you had the most magic in
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Rock'n'roll history.
What were you going to say about
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The Beatles?
I I watched they had a
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documentary a long time ago.
It was like AI don't know 12
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hour documentary or something so
they had to watch it in pieces.
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Like a Ken Burns.
They would play like legit like
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6 hour shows.
They would just play non-stop.
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They would just play after song
after song after song, which
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nowadays I you know, I mean
aside from rehearsal, right?
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But they would actually be in
front of crowds just playing
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like these elaborated, lengthy
shows.
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And you and I, and you probably
know this too, Sean, when you're
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on stage with your band in front
of a crowd that's like 10
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practices in one, you know,
because you can't stop.
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You can't say whoops.
And you can't recreate that
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setting.
No, right.
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Yeah.
So it sounds exactly like it's
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going to sound there and it's
going to be that way, right?
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So that's the thing with The
Beatles and Zeppelin, man, they
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just they had their they had
their craft down to a just a
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tea.
I mean, it was in their in their
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souls and their bones, every
fiber in muscle memory.
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Just that's when we talked to
Paul.
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We talked to a Neander Paul,
that last show we did a disc
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jockey that's been all over the
United States.
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Really cool guy.
We talked about how Zeppelin is.
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It's just timeless.
Like it's just timeless.
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It doesn't matter when it comes
on what era comes on, what
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decade, what year, It just
sounds like it was just
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recorded.
Yeah, always.
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Which is cool.
Yeah, it still grabs you
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emotionally regardless of of any
anything else.
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And it does the same thing for
me.
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I mean, every time that I hear
something on on the catalog and
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it's, you know, one of my
favorites, one of the 25
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different songs that I can't
decide which ones are my
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favorites.
You know, it's it's still grabs
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you and still takes you back to
that place, but also at the same
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time is still an anthem for
something that you would want to
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do right now.
You know, like, that's why Black
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dog is I think the way that it,
that it really is and has become
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the, you know, been on
everybody's list from the song
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that they that they want to have
at their BBQ to the song that
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Chevy wants to use to promote
its new truck.
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You know, it's so it's, it
really spans the, the, the
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generations and it, it really
doesn't matter if it wasn't
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recorded in Pro Tools.
It really, it really doesn't
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fucking matter.
I.
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Don't think, I don't think it
would have ever sounded the same
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if it had been.
I think it took those guys as
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minds of setting John Bonham's
drums up in a hallway or
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whatever they did to get When
the Levee breaks.
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And come to find out years
later, Jimmy Page mostly used
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little 8 and 10 Watt amps.
He wasn't using gigantic
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Marshalls in there, you know.
He was using boutique amps that
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were small and compact and
unique enough that he could
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blend those sounds together to
get a massive guitar sound.
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And we just established John
Paul Jones was a musical and is
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still a musical genius, right?
He's been composing for movies
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and TV scores and God knows what
for 40, some 50 some years now.
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Yeah, it's like Brian May
astrophysics who plays guitar.
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Yeah, just happens to play
guitar.
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I need something to fall back.
On In the World.
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I'm going to play guitar, but I
need something to fall back on,
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something in astrophysics just
to just in case this doesn't
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work out.
So think about this real quick,
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and I promise we'll get on to
Sean's story.
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OK?
Yeah.
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Mark Winters did it in reverse.
He became like an astrophysicist
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and then a musician.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
Yeah, we have this guy that's
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just insanely genius, man.
That that.
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Yeah, So cool, really cool.
Just I just, you know, fun guy,
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really fun guy.
Just for who he is and what he
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is.
Well, yeah.
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So whatever you guys are talking
about when I jumped on.
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Go ahead.
We got up to the point where
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Sean had become a musician.
He's now an audio engineer as
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well.
Songwriter, singer.
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Nice.
What?
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Where did you go from there?
You know, did you start a band?
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At what point?
You know, I think you said you
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were in your teens by the time
you, you know, started singing
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and playing guitar, right?
12 to 19.
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Nice.
Yeah, yeah.
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And, and I recorded about 10 of
the songs that I wrote there and
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just really kept them for
myself.
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You know, it's really just for,
for me to accomplish, you know,
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that because I knew that at that
point that I was going to go
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into the military.
So I joined the Airborne
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infantry right after my 18th
birthday and went to, I joined
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up in the 18X program, which was
the fast track into Special
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Forces.
And so it required you to go
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through airborne school, you
know, basic training for
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infantry and then airborne
school.
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And then you could decide
whether you would go to Fort
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Bragg, NC to do the Special
Forces training or go to a unit
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at the needs of the Army and
deployed to Iraq.
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And then after that, you could
request to go to Special Forces
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and you would school and you
would get it.
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So that's, that's essentially
what I was on.
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And when I got to that choice,
after airborne school, I decided
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to join.
I decided to go to a unit and
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deploy to Iraq.
So I deployed to Iraq in 2006
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with the third of the Five or
Ninth Airborne Infantry
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Regiment.
Thank you for your service by
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the.
Way.
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Thank you.
I appreciate your support.
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Absolutely.
And so, you know, the deployment
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was a crazy one.
It was not fucking normal at
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all.
And IA lot of strange
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experiences, a lot of combat
experiences, a lot of, you know,
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issues with people who I worked
with, you know, issues with the
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way that the war was being
conducted, issues for the
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reasons why we're there, lots
of.
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You got there and all the sudden
things were not kosher for you
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mentally or the what you're.
Seeing no, no, like I had to go
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through a lot of combat
experiences to truly know what
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was going on.
And it wasn't until July or so
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that of 2007, like after I'd
been there about 8:00 or nine
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months or so already that I that
I was even considering not being
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in the military anymore.
It, it wasn't until the Sergeant
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major who I was working directly
under sent me to go do a mission
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that he knew and was expecting
that I was going to die at.
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And when I didn't die at it and
it came back to him, he was
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thoroughly surprised.
And it was after that, that I,
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that I had all of the Intel
that, that this happened from
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the person who I wasn't supposed
to interrogate.
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I was just supposed to watch,
but I interrogated them and I
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found out that he, that it's a
whole, that he was a triple
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agent.
It was a long fucking story.
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But the point of, of all this
is, is that it made me very,
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very disillusioned to what the
system really was that I was a
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part of.
And then they, and because of
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that, they gave me a choice.
They gave me the golden ticket
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into Special Forces school and
they said, we'll give you
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recommendations or you can get
the golden parachute out.
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And I said, let me go.
I don't trust you guys anymore.
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Oh.
Right on.
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So after that I took my GI Bill
and went to music school.
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My son's a Marine.
He's getting out in August.
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Oh yeah.
Yeah, he just decided.
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He decided he couldn't.
They couldn't get.
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It was weird, man.
He like he was looking all these
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different MLSS he's going to
transfer to because he made
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Sergeant, became a supply chief,
wanted to change the MLS.
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Then Iran happened and then all
the MLSS were no longer
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available.
And I was like, well, dude,
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think about it, we're at war
now.
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So you got to, they probably
have to stop the MOS stuff
450
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,880
because they're not going to let
people move and shit and train
451
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,120
them why chaos is going on.
But yeah, he's he's, he's
452
00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:19,640
bouncing.
He's he's going to be home in
453
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,880
August, so.
Yeah, well, you know, that's
454
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,320
good.
Yeah, yeah.
455
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,880
Interesting.
Yeah, if that's his decision,
456
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,760
then that's his decision.
Yeah, you know, we're a little
457
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,920
surprised by it, you know, but.
Well.
458
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:36,080
Really.
Why?
459
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,840
What's that?
Why are you surprised by it?
460
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,560
Because all the conversations we
had, he was, he was going back
461
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,800
to drill instructor school, then
he was going to do another three
462
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,400
years of that.
Once he got done with that, he
463
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,240
was going to do a lateral move
and, and get in the fire science
464
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,120
aspect of it.
And you know, he had, he had
465
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:55,440
reached out to try to get into a
program that would allow him to
466
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,120
leave, come home for four years
and go to school full time.
467
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,400
And then once he graduated from
ASU, then goes, goes right back
468
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,240
into the core.
But those four years count.
469
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,640
But then he goes in as an
officer, then he's so he's kind
470
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:14,040
of an untouchable guy.
And you know, you know, for lack
471
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,320
of a return is going to be a
lifer.
472
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,280
And then just when he went from
one spot to another spot in
473
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,480
Pendleton, got the promotion,
got the rank, the rank up.
474
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,240
And then just kind of within two
weeks span, he's like, I'm out.
475
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,880
So that's kind of why it was
like, OK, reel it back, man.
476
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,560
Like what happened?
What's what's what's the
477
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,720
underlying tone here?
You know what's you know, and
478
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,040
then when we had the
conversation, it's like, OK,
479
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,960
we'll make sure you, you know,
look at all these options and
480
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,320
stuff.
Just don't knee jerk react
481
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,800
because you're not happy with
going from point A to point B.
482
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,720
Because you know, once you, once
you get settled into that new
483
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,320
spot and learn all the stuff,
then you'll be back, you know,
484
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,360
dominating like you've always
dominated.
485
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,040
He's an accounting supplier and
logistics.
486
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,800
So he's not, it's not a, it's
not a infantry guy.
487
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,800
He was a backup shipper.
So when he when he went in, he
488
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,960
had to fall in line with those
three MO s s that kid couldn't
489
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,800
that was going to do 2 he
couldn't do because he's color
490
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,480
deficient.
So it was, you know, those two
491
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:13,760
are accounting, supply and
logistics.
492
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,000
So he's 18 years old and had
$1,000,000 credit card moving,
493
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,040
you know, equipment around the
world.
494
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,760
You know KAKE job.
Totally KAKE job.
495
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,560
It is a good gig, you know for
sure.
496
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,200
So, you know, as a father, you
just, you know, it's that worry,
497
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,960
you know, it's that concern.
OK, what are you going to do?
498
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,160
Life is not going to be as easy
out here now as this cake job
499
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,280
where you get up, you have to go
into 10, you get 2 hours for
500
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,480
lunch, then you go back and
you're back.
501
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,840
You're done every day by 5, you
know, and you're working out in
502
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,960
the morning, working out at
lunch, that type of thing.
503
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,800
So you know.
Well, see, he's he's lucky
504
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,560
though, in in multiple ways and
it's a little bit of wisdom
505
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,520
about things kind of tells me at
least a a few things that most
506
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,600
likely what what is probably
going on is that program that he
507
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,440
was wanting to get into got
ripped right out from under him
508
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:04,680
because everybody was going to
war.
509
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,440
Well, that's what I'm saying so.
Because, Yeah, so because of
510
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,800
that, because if they take away
your your future, then the whole
511
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,360
reason of why you were joining
is kind of like, right, gone.
512
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:18,760
So what the Hell's the point of
it?
513
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,920
You know?
And he has a job that transfers
514
00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:24,080
into the civilian world,
correct?
515
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:29,200
He can go to a lot of different
companies and probably get, you
516
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,280
know, experience and they will
count the experience that he had
517
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,080
in the military, right, as
something that helps him and
518
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,560
benefits him for a job that is
not a fucking anywhere near what
519
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,600
I had.
I had zero.
520
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,360
Gotcha.
Like when it comes back for that
521
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:44,120
kind of shit.
Yeah.
522
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,880
For, you know, doing infantry
stuff.
523
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,440
You, you don't like the civilian
world doesn't get it and they
524
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,920
don't understand, you know, and
also the skills and stuff just
525
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,600
don't apply to the majority of
the legal businesses that you
526
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,960
could get into in the United
States.
527
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,400
The rest of it is all pretty
much, you know, under the table
528
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,000
kind of shit that you again
better decide you're going to be
529
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,840
doing this for the rest of your
life again or else you're going
530
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,480
to have some fucking problems.
You know, and and and I had, I
531
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,880
had told him before that you
know when he does like I had a
532
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,160
client, I sell hassles.
So I had a client years ago that
533
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,160
his dad had that same MOS in the
Marines.
534
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,480
He was accounting supply and
logistics.
535
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,880
He spent 20 years in the
Marines, got out, went and got a
536
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,600
job at City of Phoenix and
accounting supply and logistics,
537
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,880
spent 20 years doing that.
He had just retired when I met
538
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,320
his son to sell his son a house.
Double pensions, you know,
539
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,920
double health benefits, double
everything because he spent, you
540
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:43,480
know, 18 to 38 as a Marine, 38
to 58 with the city of Phoenix.
541
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:49,520
And you know, 58 nowadays is 40.
You know, I'm 56 years, 56 years
542
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,800
old and nobody guesses that, you
know, when I, when I was a kid,
543
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,000
56, man, you, you were fucking
in a Walker, you know, going to
544
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,680
this old, you know, go to eat at
4:00 because you had the gummy
545
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,800
food and shit.
I literally just read the other
546
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:08,440
day that Archie Bunker was 49
years old when All in the Family
547
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,440
started.
Wow, wow.
548
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,560
That blew me away.
That's that is so emboggling.
549
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,360
You, you just described what we
were looking at in a 50 year old
550
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,720
man back then.
Yeah, a lot of them did look
551
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,920
like they were, Yeah, basically
over the hill.
552
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm going to
be. 53 nobody guess is my age no
553
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,160
how.
Old are you, Sean?
554
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,000
I'm 40, OK?
You're doing good too.
555
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,520
Yeah, yeah.
We were taught never to trust
556
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,520
anybody over 40 When?
We were 20.
557
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,720
True story now.
We're 50 something.
558
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,240
I don't know where that came.
Now it's then we don't trust
559
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:51,320
anybody under 40, right?
Yeah, that's a good.
560
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,520
Story it's kind of like, it's
kind of like you, you have these
561
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,480
Realtors on TikTok now they go
viral, right?
562
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,040
They have like 23 million views
and they're they're walking
563
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,480
through $10 million houses and
Scott Stone shit.
564
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,280
And you know, they're thinking
they're bad ass and stuff.
565
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,680
You look them up, they've never
sold a house in their life, but
566
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,840
they're gone viral.
Yeah, like cool, I'm going to go
567
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,240
viral.
I'm going to go viral with this
568
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,240
house.
That's how they're making their
569
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,000
money then.
Yeah, if they're doing it right,
570
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,400
yeah, but they're not.
They're not selling houses that
571
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:17,680
you know, but they're acting
like they.
572
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,840
No.
They're monetizing off Instagram
573
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,720
or whatever.
Right, it's just kind of
574
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,160
comical.
It's like, OK, you know, viral
575
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,000
doesn't give you business.
It's just, it's, it's a video
576
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:32,320
Next, next, next, next.
You know, it's comical.
577
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,480
There's.
There's some things that you
578
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,960
that you can get from, from
going viral, but it's not
579
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:44,480
directly like linked or related.
It's it's essentially the best
580
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,080
that you can have is just
another feather in your cap.
581
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,320
And in a way, and I can guess
from this, you know, from this
582
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:55,440
guy that you know, he's looking
to get attention onto a specific
583
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,960
thing.
So the being a real estate
584
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,320
agent, I imagine he probably has
some budget for it.
585
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,640
So he puts a little bit of
budget and he can get a lot of
586
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,320
eyes on one particular thing and
that's.
587
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,800
But he's never sold anything.
So when you're going, when
588
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,000
you're, when you're going
forward, it's a chick by the
589
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,320
way.
And you know he's a chick.
590
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,440
So when you're going out there,
you know, doing that, you're
591
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:17,960
not.
You must be.
592
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,000
There's no experience to back it
and you're, you're, you're going
593
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,920
through somebody else's listing
And, and the way they go by the
594
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,520
sign really quick.
This is like, because they get
595
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,680
away with, oh, why I I gave the
realtor who hasn't listed
596
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,880
credit.
Like we're really mindful when,
597
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,760
when a 20 year old tries to show
one of my million plus listings,
598
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,040
like here.
Why are you showing a listing?
599
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:38,840
Well, I'm going to make video.
Yeah.
600
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,040
No, you're not.
No, you're not.
601
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,120
My seller's not going to
appreciate you popping for
602
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,920
TikTok, walking around their
house and what you call the
603
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,000
dress.
Sorry, not happening.
604
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,240
You know, Yeah, but you know,
teachers own man, I don't care.
605
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,480
I, you know, you do what you got
to do, but it's just to me, it's
606
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,040
it's kind of false advertising
because you're not you're not
607
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,720
you don't have any knowledge or
experience because you've never
608
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,680
sold anything.
And here you are going to a
609
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,360
multi million, I'm talking, you
know, eleven $12 million house
610
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,440
in Scottsdale.
Look at me, look at me, look at
611
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:11,400
me.
And it's like, oh, you don't
612
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,680
know the first thing about
selling a house, yet here you
613
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:20,560
are walking through somebody's
thing and those type of people,
614
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,400
you know, they don't live on
TikTok and shit.
615
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:23,720
So they're never going to
realize it's there.
616
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,600
But if they did, I'm sure the
shit would hit the fan.
617
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,640
Because they're not.
It's not a proper representation
618
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,960
of that lifestyle or that house
or that property or what it is.
619
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,200
My opinion, obviously.
Well, well, simply, you didn't
620
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,600
have their permission.
Right.
621
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,800
Yeah, and you have to have
permission to advertise somebody
622
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,240
else's listing, which is why
they just braced by the sign
623
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,160
writer and well, that's that's
the guys name.
624
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,800
Yeah, okay.
But here's here's my point to
625
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,520
she's point.
If I were the owner of that
626
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,280
property, then you came to me
and you said this kid wants to
627
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,720
go viral on Instagram, can he
shoot a video?
628
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,840
If I had a badass house, I might
just say yes.
629
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,840
Right.
To get those million views or 2
630
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,240
million views, I just think I
agree with the way you're
631
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,720
looking at it because if the
seller doesn't say yes, you can
632
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,360
bring my house on TikTok.
Most people don't want that
633
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:13,960
done.
Right.
634
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,560
That's the problem they're going
through.
635
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,440
And we're totally off topic
here, but they're going through
636
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,320
and and, you know, they want to
show a listing and then all of a
637
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,480
sudden they're there and then
boom, you know, two days later
638
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,120
shows up and there's, you know,
yeah.
639
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:27,800
And then you look him up, It's
like, OK, yeah.
640
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,040
They didn't have permission
because they didn't disclose who
641
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,120
it was and the way they filmed
it and the way they just breezed
642
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,760
by the sign.
And so I'm sorry, scroll moment.
643
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,280
I'm just going to blame Sean
because he got involved and then
644
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,200
I backed him up, so I remember
where we were at.
645
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,160
You went to audio school on the
money that the military gave you
646
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,160
for getting out.
Keep.
647
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,640
Talking about audio, I got to go
pull the porch.
648
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,200
So continue the conversation.
I'll be right back.
649
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,720
You're fine, brother.
Yeah, So where'd you go?
650
00:33:52,720 --> 00:34:00,360
I'll So I at first I decided
that I was going to go to
651
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,560
Minneapolis, the Saint Paul.
There's a school there.
652
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,320
That I researched almost all of
them.
653
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,280
Yeah, so maybe you'll know the
name McNally and Smith.
654
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,000
It sounds familiar, yeah.
Yeah, they they were in Saint
655
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,159
Paul.
So I went there and I went
656
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:19,679
through the process and
everything and it was all good.
657
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,679
And I was going to go for the
audition to the school, and I
658
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:27,760
get there to the audition, and
the guy is this very crotchety
659
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,880
old, you know, guy who's super
pissed off that he has to be
660
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,679
there, you know, and is
listening to me play, you know,
661
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:37,120
like Voodoo Child.
And, you know, it's some.
662
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:40,560
And I didn't realize Nellie
Smith was trying to be like the
663
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,080
Western version of Berkeley.
Like they were much more jazz
664
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,880
focused and they were like rock
or even pop for that matter.
665
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,600
If you liked any of those, you
were kind of like not really
666
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,480
taken seriously, kind of, you
know, so I show up there and,
667
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,920
and doing straight rock and like
playing ACDC and Black Sabbath
668
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,320
and Jimi Hendrix and stuff.
And they're like, and so that
669
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,440
the guy was like, you don't
belong here.
670
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,640
Like you, you really shouldn't,
you know, you're not going to
671
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,120
fit in this.
I didn't like anything that
672
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,880
you're doing.
You only have two versions of a
673
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,920
pentatonic scale.
You, you don't belong here.
674
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:15,640
I mean, he discouraged me a hell
of a lot.
675
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,120
So I just wrote it off.
And then two weeks later they
676
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,560
gave me a call back and we're
like, hey, why aren't you in
677
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,560
classes?
And I'm like, because the
678
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,280
audition dude told me I didn't
fucking belong here and that I
679
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,680
only knew 2 versions of the of,
you know, pentatonic scales and
680
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,560
that wasn't enough.
And they're like, well, no, no,
681
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,120
like you can still come.
And I'm like, no, if you got
682
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,080
people like that at that school,
like I, I don't, I don't really
683
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,720
want to go.
No, that would turn me off as
684
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:40,840
well.
Right.
685
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:41,440
Yeah.
So.
686
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,000
So I just let it go.
And then I looked at Musicians
687
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,920
Institute in Los Angeles and
they didn't care that I didn't
688
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,480
know everything that I didn't
know.
689
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:52,640
They were like, yeah, we'll
teach you it.
690
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,440
That's the whole point of why
you're coming here.
691
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,560
So they finally had the right
attitude and I was there at a
692
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:04,280
very, a very unique time in it's
in the school's evolution
693
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:11,440
because there was still remnants
and of the spirit and like the
694
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:16,960
original founders of the, of, of
some of the programs, we're
695
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,400
still like alive and still there
and running around the, the, the
696
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,320
school and, and doing open
counseling and stuff.
697
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:29,600
So you know what?
There was still this very, this
698
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:36,960
awesome sense of community where
the the teachers are leading by
699
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:43,160
their example of technique of
leading by their, the way that
700
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,960
they play.
And that's what people are
701
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,520
really going after and spending
a lot of time to learn.
702
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,080
It wasn't and, and now it's kind
of become a little bit more like
703
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,800
everything is multiple choice
questions and there's a whole
704
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,600
lot of reliance on, you know,
like online quizzes and you
705
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,560
know, it's, it's kind of
formulated a little bit much,
706
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,320
you know.
I could have been an early
707
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,520
adopter of that school because
that's one of the ones that I
708
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,160
looked at, and I'm thirteen
years older than you almost.
709
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,080
So yeah, that school was not
just getting started, but it was
710
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:24,040
becoming the school that you
experienced back.
711
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,320
You know, Jennifer Batten went
through there and ended up
712
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,240
playing for Michael Jackson.
And I can't think of everybody
713
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,400
that went through there at the
time, but that is.
714
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,920
One of the places.
That I really wanted to go.
715
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:39,400
Yeah, Jennifer Batten was was on
the one of the boards for for a
716
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,680
while, Like she was there at the
school for one of the years,
717
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,160
like trying to, to direct it,
it, it like it was really
718
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,680
amazing.
Yeah.
719
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:51,280
Like there's the the a lot of
the teachers who who were there,
720
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,680
you know, it's stuck it out for
a a while into the 2000 teens.
721
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:01,040
And some of them are even still
there, and they're still, you
722
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:09,360
know, shaping a lot of great
guitarists to come out of there.
723
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,000
And, you know, for me, I went
through the independent artist
724
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:19,600
program as well that was
centered around giving you a bit
725
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,640
of audio engineering and music
business to get you the sense of
726
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:29,080
how to release your own music.
And that was a very useful
727
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,080
program.
I did it twice, in fact.
728
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,400
Yeah, 'cause.
You can make money with those
729
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,280
skills.
Right, exactly.
730
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,040
And so as well as taking full on
music business class, I also did
731
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,160
the audio engineering program
twice as well.
732
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,600
And so I got to work on the on
the boards they have there and
733
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:50,960
and really get a sense of all of
the different positions in a
734
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,400
studio and knowing how to do all
of them and how they all apply
735
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,520
to the artist.
Because I knew I was going to be
736
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,080
the artist, but I had to be.
I wanted to be the artist that
737
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,720
knew.
Me too.
738
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:05,600
What the expectations of the
other people in the room were,
739
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,120
so that I wasn't.
Super important to me too, Sean.
740
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,080
Yeah, yeah.
Like so that I know who the fuck
741
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,320
I'm even talking to, you know
who to ask the right questions
742
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,520
to so that I get the right
results.
743
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,600
What are drums supposed to sound
like?
744
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,360
What is the bass supposed to
sound like?
745
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,400
Because it's not the same as
when you're in a concert venue,
746
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,320
right?
Those are two different thought
747
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,800
processes.
Studios, A controlled
748
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,000
environment.
What kind of song are we
749
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,080
recording?
Rock.
750
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,920
Country, rap, pop, you know, all
those are different recording
751
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,560
mentality.
So I'm with you man.
752
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,880
That's really cool.
I like where your thought
753
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,120
process was.
Yeah, yeah.
754
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,920
And I even took, you know, live,
live live sound classes multiple
755
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,320
times in multiple different,
with multiple different kinds of
756
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,560
boards.
It was really, really expansive.
757
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,440
I really tried to capture it
from every different aspect that
758
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:02,960
I could so that every single bit
having to do around around music
759
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,360
that was going to be happening
in front of me in the future
760
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,880
because I knew all music was all
I was going to do.
761
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:12,960
I wanted to be able to have
something to do with it, to at
762
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,440
least know a little bit about
it.
763
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:23,400
And eventually, once I graduated
in 2012, I had a temporary
764
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,480
psychotic breakdown.
And eventually, yeah.
765
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,400
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
766
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,640
I think more and more that
people talk about these things,
767
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,680
we find that it's it's much more
common.
768
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,920
For people, we flip it like
that.
769
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,680
But yeah, you know.
No, it's it's much more common
770
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,920
than people and I.
Feel bad saying it because mine
771
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,000
was drug induced and yours was
serving our country I'm sure.
772
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:52,960
Well, yeah, my, my, mine wasn't,
wasn't drug induced, but it was,
773
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,200
yeah.
As a result of not dealing with
774
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,920
the emotions of everything that
was taking my nervous system
775
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:06,880
completely off on a just on a
tangent, you know, so I would be
776
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:12,280
subject to whatever my nervous
system wanted to Take Me Out
777
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,160
into based off of anything that
was going on around me.
778
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:22,240
And when I'm living in Los
Angeles at that time and you
779
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:27,360
know, there's, there's, there's
a whole lot of things that will
780
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:32,200
trigger you, you know, like it's
and that way because I didn't
781
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:33,280
know how to deal with any of
this.
782
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,560
It was just I was just being
taken.
783
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:38,760
And so I could never really
focus on anything.
784
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,520
And my life was just becoming
more and more of a shamble and
785
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,400
less of a journey.
Do you see what I see, Mike?
786
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:49,880
Yeah, I knew.
We're sorry to interrupt.
787
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:54,040
You that was I heard you guys
reference that you guys had a
788
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,080
band named Nemesis.
Well, I have a song named
789
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,320
Nemesis.
Friend of mine, yes.
790
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,200
He's got the evidence right
there.
791
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,040
I like, I like to troll photos,
like where our guests talk,
792
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,760
because it it's just, it shows,
you know, it's.
793
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,520
Visual shows how the universe is
all cohesive.
794
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,280
Yes, look at that full circle
moment.
795
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:15,560
Right.
That's pretty cool, man.
796
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,200
Yeah, Keep talking.
Keep talking.
797
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:19,480
Yeah, you're fine, man.
Yeah.
798
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,960
Sorry to Yeah.
So let's see, where was I?
799
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,880
You were at the end of your
psychotic break, yes?
800
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,120
Oh, right, right.
OK, So yes.
801
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:33,080
So after that happened, I had
some friends reach out to me and
802
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,160
they were like, hey, what are
you doing?
803
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,440
And I'm like, I've been stocking
the streets of Los Angeles for
804
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,840
the last three days.
I don't know where the fuck I'm
805
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:39,800
at.
Come pick me up.
806
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:46,000
Oh, and they were like
eventually talked me into and
807
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,160
you need to start asking for
help.
808
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,720
You can't do this all the time.
This is you're meant for so much
809
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:56,200
more than this.
And because it's so I'm looking
810
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,480
at losing everything and, you
know, eventually, you know, I
811
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:05,080
did and became homeless for a
while in Los Angeles and only
812
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:09,080
for a short period of time was
like really, truly on my own and
813
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,160
and homeless.
And I was lucky because there
814
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:17,160
was a, an inpatient clinic that
I eventually got selected into
815
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,520
once I was in the cycle at the
WLAVA.
816
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,000
And I was selected to go and do
this program that they were
817
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,200
calling FoB Hollywood, which was
an inpatient clinic for veterans
818
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,840
with PTSD, combat veterans.
Everybody in there was, was, had
819
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,280
experienced some kind of combat
experience that was significant
820
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,440
to have them all have a
diagnosis of PTSD.
821
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,880
So everybody in there is going
and fighting the same battles
822
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,760
from some different other form
or another.
823
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,400
We're all fighting the same
battles.
824
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:51,240
And it was in this beginning
that the band still stuck with
825
00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:53,360
me.
They're like, you're going to be
826
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,040
in here.
But you know what?
827
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,880
We're still going to be making
content.
828
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,800
We're still going to try at your
speed whenever you want to, as
829
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,120
much as we can.
We'll do it.
830
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,880
And they stuck with me all the
way and completed our album
831
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:12,280
Antiquate Hate that we were all
ready to release in 2016.
832
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:17,080
We worked with Charlie Wade
Meyer in Los Angeles who
833
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:23,600
recorded it all and we had
George G1 Archie who did the the
834
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,360
final mixing and mastering and
he was the audio engineer for
835
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:32,000
Death Row Records in it's day.
And he he brought a really
836
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:37,840
awesome way to, to make the, the
rap and rock music really mixed
837
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,040
together.
So it's not really relying on
838
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:45,320
that new metal edge, but still
more organically because the,
839
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,440
the, the soul of it is really
connected.
840
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:48,480
And that's what we're going
after.
841
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,600
And I think we accomplished that
with that record.
842
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,400
However, we had a manager at the
time who tried to steal the
843
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,200
record at distribution.
Oh.
844
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,520
Ouch.
It was super fucked up so that
845
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,240
management still had claimed
it's copyright on Spotify and it
846
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:06,360
was really fucking ridiculous
and it took me a long time to
847
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,720
undo it, but once I realized
that's what was going on, I had
848
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:10,600
to kill the whole record.
That sucks.
849
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,200
Five years, everything that I
had gone through, all of that,
850
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,320
that you know, coming from these
are some of the pictures that we
851
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,440
had from it.
They were golden pictures.
852
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,000
Yeah, for the time, yeah, they
were that fucking golden, the
853
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,480
pictures.
He's scrolling through are
854
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,920
amazing.
Yeah, it this, this one is more
855
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,120
recent.
This was taken to the wheelhouse
856
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:29,800
in Colorado.
OK.
857
00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:33,840
But these are these are clear.
We're back in LA during that
858
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,960
time.
Yeah, with the guys there up in
859
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,520
the yeah, up in the corner
there, yeah.
860
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,120
Like whenever they're when,
whenever those Caspers and Alex
861
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,680
are in there, that's that's from
that era.
862
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,560
Cool.
And it was, it was such an an
863
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,720
amazing experience to go through
all of it.
864
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,720
And you know, it's, it really
ended up getting taken from them
865
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:56,320
as much as it was taken from me.
That's awesome.
866
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,040
And after that, they were, both
of them were, were immigrants.
867
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:05,920
And at that time in 20/16/2017,
there was a whole lot of serious
868
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,880
issues with immigrants being in
the United States and with the
869
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,160
music that we're releasing.
Yeah, we didn't like, nobody
870
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:14,720
knew.
So at some point, we had to be
871
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:19,040
like, look, we, their lives were
pulling them apart.
872
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,840
It wasn't just the emotionality
of the of the moment.
873
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,080
It was their lives pulling them
apart, their lives, my life
874
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,440
pulling myself apart with that
let down.
875
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:28,880
I also was going through a
divorce.
876
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,760
I had to leave Los Angeles
entirely.
877
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,520
Like everything was crashing
down horribly in that area.
878
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,960
And it was one of those times
when it's like, man, maybe this
879
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,400
is the end.
Did you write?
880
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,080
I just have to.
Oh yeah, OK, cool.
881
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,040
I wrote a.
Lot the writer, the lyricist did
882
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,160
me.
Did you write, did you write
883
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,800
through all that?
Because I mean, of course, I'm
884
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:53,920
sure, I'm sure there was some
great, great lyrics and songs
885
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,720
and poems and journaling Journal
the Chaos man.
886
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:04,160
Yeah, I still remember
everything very well and draw
887
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,280
from all that stuff.
What I tried to do was put, what
888
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,120
I ended up doing is I left Los
Angeles at that point and I went
889
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,720
to Florida and when I was in
Florida, there's.
890
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,960
A large baseball.
That's a big fucking move, man.
891
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,440
Oh, man, I did it in 38 hours.
I drove like, you guys want some
892
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,600
stories?
That's my fucking stories.
893
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:31,080
All right, So driving from Los
Angeles like for 18 hours
894
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,000
straight lands you in somewhere
around like Katy, TX, right?
895
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,040
And I did the southern route.
That's I think it's through
896
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,240
around where you guys are AT and
you guys may know.
897
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,200
I'm in Arizona, am I from
Pontiac, IL?
898
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,760
I'm in Illinois, yeah.
OK, Yeah, yeah, around around
899
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:49,480
Arizona.
Yeah.
900
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:55,960
So there was, well, maybe I
can't tell the story, but the,
901
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:03,520
the, the idea is that Border
Patrol still has a where they a
902
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,840
spot where they take over the
entire highway in that area,
903
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,600
still do to this day.
And it's very important, Yeah,
904
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,920
it's still, it's still very
important for people to realize
905
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,520
that that's there.
That's what I'll say when you're
906
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,240
travelling in California, OK,
Very.
907
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,080
Important.
Because we're live.
908
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,560
That's well, I'm just be aware.
I'm thinking that, Sean, we got
909
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,600
to have you on a Friday because
Fridays we have unlimited time
910
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,320
because, you know, I miss some
of your story, obviously, from
911
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,760
doing what I had to do with my
my water irrigation.
912
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,200
But yeah, I could see us going
down so many different paths.
913
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:38,240
Just talking to you right now.
Oh yeah, we keep going, keep
914
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:41,880
going for short time.
So, so it gets you around Katy,
915
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,960
TX.
I'll, I'll Fast forward to going
916
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,320
around Katy, TX and there's this
town, I don't know what town it
917
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,520
is, but when I got there, I got
to this Motel 6 after 18 hours
918
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,160
of travel.
I look like hell, but I'm
919
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,360
wearing my A/C DCT shirt and
ripped jeans and, you know,
920
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,560
combat boots.
And when I walk out, this is
921
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,080
like a Sunday.
Everybody's in their khakis and
922
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,760
pastel shirts.
Like everybody is looking like
923
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,880
they're straight out of the
Stepford Wives.
924
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,480
And I'm like, I am going to get
lynched here like this is going
925
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,360
to be bad.
And so I asked the the the
926
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,640
person at the front of the desk
at the Motel 6 who has nose
927
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,320
rings and piercing, you know, it
looks totally goth.
928
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,360
I'm like, is it okay?
Here is like, I'm going to be.
929
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,440
And she's like, Oh yeah, I'm way
worse than you are.
930
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:25,520
You don't need to worry about a
thing.
931
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,920
You'll be fine.
Yeah, OK.
932
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,800
So I went to the barbecue and lo
and behold, everybody's fine
933
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,520
with it.
But I was really scared for a
934
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,680
second there, you know, because
everyone looks so just over the
935
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,560
top together, but that's just
how they look on Sunday, man,
936
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,320
That's Texas.
And that's just weird me the
937
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,640
fuck out.
Like I'd never seen anything
938
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,560
like that, you know?
But that small town, Eastern
939
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,560
Texas for you.
And so from there, I did another
940
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,840
18 hours straight to Tampa from
there.
941
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,880
And it was like, by the time I
got to to Florida and that warm
942
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,320
air is hitting you.
It doesn't matter if you're that
943
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,720
tired and you've, you know,
you're trying to keep yourself
944
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:04,000
awake, that warm air is good.
It doesn't matter if it's
945
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,840
blowing your face, it's still
going to make you want to pass
946
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,280
out.
So after that, I think I slept
947
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,440
for a solid like another 18
hours after that.
948
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,320
It was one of the most intense
Rd. trips I've ever done, but I
949
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,120
absolutely needed to do it.
We're kindred spirits, man.
950
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:20,600
Let's get to where we're going
now.
951
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,600
Yeah, fuck it, we're going.
Yeah, I came back here from
952
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,360
Arizona for a two week vacation
and almost 16 years later I'm
953
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:29,720
still here, so.
Yeah.
954
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,920
That's how I operate as well.
I got to stay.
955
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,080
Yeah.
Well, yeah, for me, I, I had,
956
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,720
you know, I still knew that I
had to deal with the the issues
957
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:47,960
that were still a part of me and
how I got to the place of where
958
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,720
I was without anything that I'd
been working for for the last
959
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:58,280
six or seven years or so.
So I around in Tampa, there's a,
960
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,880
a large baseball community and I
leaned into that.
961
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,080
I, I started playing baseball
more and more.
962
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,640
So, you know, pitching and and
working on all the different
963
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,200
types of pitches that I could
throw, working on my curveball
964
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,840
and my change up and the circle
change and trying to get every
965
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:20,320
different aspect that I could
just get myself not focused on
966
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,840
playing music like I had been,
but to grow into something more
967
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,600
than what I had been because
that's when I needed to.
968
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,080
Be.
Right.
969
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,600
Yeah.
And how and how I did it was I,
970
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:39,440
I took all of everything that I
had and that was going on and
971
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,200
put it into therapy and put it
into baseball and slowly brought
972
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,760
myself back into mixing and
slowly brought myself back into
973
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,600
playing just music whenever I
really felt like I needed to.
974
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,200
So I really started connecting
to it and not like making it
975
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,000
into something that I had to do,
which is kind of what it was
976
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,640
looking at before we were signed
to a sub major of Sony.
977
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,640
And like the the pressure of
that was coming up from this
978
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:09,040
record was, you know, was big.
It was a big deal for us.
979
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,480
But you know, we were expecting
big things from it and it just
980
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,440
turned out to be a big it was
end up getting kneecapped.
981
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,160
From There's a time when there's
a time when you can't say I
982
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:20,960
don't want to play today, you
know?
983
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,280
Yeah.
If you're doing it
984
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,120
professionally, there's no
calling in sick, there's no
985
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,400
saying I'm not going to do that
gig, I'm not going to go to that
986
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:29,920
recording session.
You have to.
987
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:31,800
That's your job.
Right.
988
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,840
And I wanted to avoid that in
myself.
989
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,160
I wanted to not build that
habit.
990
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:41,120
I wanted to give myself the find
the real connection that I have
991
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,680
to it in the growing person that
I was becoming, the learned
992
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,880
person that I was becoming every
day because I'm focusing on
993
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,840
being the eternal student all
the time.
994
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,400
Just to make it fun to keep
learning.
995
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,840
Yeah, so I took the time and I
then I, I wrote and compiled and
996
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,480
recorded Aversion to Normalcy.
But at the IT took me about
997
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,720
three years through the
pandemic, I went to multiple
998
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:07,800
different and and even while
aversion to normalcy was in its
999
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,960
infancy of, you know, just being
tracks that I recorded and mixed
1000
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,800
myself and I still knew they
weren't good enough.
1001
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:19,120
But at this time, I also went on
a an open mic tour.
1002
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,720
That was that's what I call it.
But essentially I drove across
1003
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:27,240
the country again and went to
and stopped at open mikes
1004
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:30,680
whenever I could just to meet as
many different kinds of people I
1005
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,240
could in who are trying to do
the same kind of stuff as me.
1006
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,520
And I ended up meeting some
really, really awesome people
1007
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,920
and seeing some really awesome
music communities across the US.
1008
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:45,440
And it gave me hope to realize
that it's, we may just be feel
1009
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,840
like we're in some kind of
isolated pocket, but there is
1010
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,320
truly when you're around all of
the people who are really going
1011
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,560
after the same thing that you
are, it's really easy to become
1012
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:59,240
inspired and.
It's somebody else went through
1013
00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:01,120
what I went through, Right?
Right.
1014
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:02,440
And vice versa.
Yeah.
1015
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,680
I heard you say it, too.
I went through the same thing,
1016
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,400
just in a different way.
Just to know that you're not
1017
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:11,600
alone in knowing that you lost
your mind, that you were put in
1018
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,080
a position you never intended to
be in it.
1019
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,000
It helps to know that you're not
the only one that's ever been
1020
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:18,680
there.
Right?
1021
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,240
I felt like such a failure that
I pretty much gave up more times
1022
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:24,640
than I'd like to admit.
But I'm still here so.
1023
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,600
Right.
Failure is just learning, you
1024
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,720
know?
Failure is truly if you learn
1025
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:32,840
from it, then truly it's not a
failure.
1026
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,920
Well, I've always told my kids
it's not how you follow, it's
1027
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,200
how you get back up.
Everybody follows, right?
1028
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:38,400
Right.
You know?
1029
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:39,520
Absolutely.
Yeah.
1030
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:41,440
Yeah.
And the more and more that that
1031
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:45,200
instills into this in into
everyone, including the younger
1032
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,400
generation, the better the world
is going to become.
1033
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:51,120
Yep, Yep.
So true, man, so true.
1034
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:57,240
Yeah, so I knew that I had
aversion to normalcy and and
1035
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:04,600
after the working with Plaid Dog
Records to create Instagram hell
1036
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:08,000
and One Last Chance and One Last
Chance is much more of like a
1037
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,920
R&B kind of song that is very,
very different from the majority
1038
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:16,480
of the the quarantine stuff.
But I wanted to create that R&B
1039
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,120
kind of feel like we're using
organ and shit, you know, like
1040
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:24,120
we're, we really get into it,
but we're still using a kind of,
1041
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:33,240
I'm still adapting a, a rock
lick into, into a more R&B kind
1042
00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:35,920
of setting with, with one last
chance.
1043
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,880
For me, it's, it's actually much
more akin to The Beatles than it
1044
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:44,680
is anything else because it's,
it's so I, I highly recommend
1045
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,960
people go and listen to it.
But the newer music that we
1046
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,280
released, Aversions to Normalcy,
is when I decided to take.
1047
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,480
I knew that what I had with
Aversions to Normalcy wasn't
1048
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,840
good enough.
I knew that I didn't meet the
1049
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:03,560
requirement that I needed for
the music to be as good as it
1050
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,120
possibly could be.
I knew that I failed in that.
1051
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,520
But I knew that if I took it to
the right people, they could
1052
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:13,160
make it what it needed to be.
So I took it to Nashville and I
1053
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:18,520
took it to Blackbird Studios and
with Nathan Yarbrough, who has
1054
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:27,200
done albums with Hailstorm,
Evanescence, Alice In Chains,
1055
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:35,040
Korn, like all of the the bands
from like the I was, I was on a
1056
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,680
show and I was like, they're
like, they haven't music hasn't
1057
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,360
really been, you know, haven't
been meaning really good stuff
1058
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,880
since like 2005.
And I'm like, man, all of those
1059
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,600
bands that that need to work
with, they're all putting out
1060
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,360
music.
Yeah, past 2005.
1061
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:48,760
So yeah, there's a ton of good.
Music.
1062
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,800
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, like they, they really,
1063
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,400
and they're really bringing it
like all the time.
1064
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:56,240
Yeah.
Like Lizzy Yale is, is off the
1065
00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:57,800
charts with what she's able to
do.
1066
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,880
It's really, really impressive
just to see her play live, but
1067
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,920
let alone on the records, like
it's, it's awesome.
1068
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:07,640
So I knew that Nathan could
capture everything that I'd be
1069
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,160
trying to put it down because
he's already done it before.
1070
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,120
So when I brought it all to him
and he was ready to go and I'd
1071
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:15,520
already recorded this three or
four times.
1072
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,840
So I get in the studio and he's
like, dude, you're 1, take Jake
1073
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:19,480
all the time.
Damn.
1074
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,160
What?
You know, what the hell is this?
1075
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,080
We had set 4 hours to do
guitars.
1076
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:25,760
You'd knock them out in two.
What the hell is the matter
1077
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,840
with, you know, like, are we
missing anything?
1078
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:29,680
Like what, what's the matter
with me?
1079
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,160
You know?
So it's very fun to to have
1080
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:38,960
these, you know, to really sit
with an expert who knows that
1081
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,760
he's still, because he's still
doing the same eternal student
1082
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,360
kind of mentality that I am.
And it was such a great thing to
1083
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:52,400
to see the place that I was
missing with mixing was really
1084
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,320
just in my mentality and my
approach.
1085
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:55,880
It wasn't the technical
knowledge.
1086
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,240
I wasn't thinking about all of
the different elements of a mix.
1087
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:05,520
And it was so great to see that
I was much closer than I thought
1088
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,880
that I was, you know, But I
still know and know that any
1089
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:14,240
great record that I'm going to
put out, I'm going to use Nathan
1090
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,040
or somebody of his excellence or
better.
1091
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,800
You know, it's, it's got to be
that way so that the quality
1092
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,440
remains that high.
But I'm still going to try and
1093
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,600
I'm still going to be working on
my album Bedroom Ink, which is
1094
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,800
all an album of covers.
But it's something that we that
1095
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,040
we put our own spin on these
different covers.
1096
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,880
And so I'm mixing them myself.
I'm starting to bring them up
1097
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,120
into it, you know, so to, to be
ready to go.
1098
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:40,840
So we've got aversion to
normalcy.
1099
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,640
We did A and once that album
came out, we had a really crazy
1100
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,680
response.
We just crossed a million
1101
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,840
streams where the album as a
whole.
1102
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,560
Congratulations man, that's
amazing, that is.
1103
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:52,520
Thank you.
Thank you.
1104
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,880
Yeah, it, we went through a, a,
you know, a few different
1105
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,680
avenues to try and build up the
streams.
1106
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,560
And what I've, what I've come to
find with these numbers is that
1107
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:06,480
it's more of a reflection of
your marketing efforts and less
1108
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,080
of how good your art really is.
There's a lot of times that
1109
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,680
musicians think that because I
don't have a lot of fans right
1110
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,480
now, that says something about
the value of my art and it truly
1111
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,800
does Not at all, not anymore.
And you really need to stop
1112
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,440
doing that to yourself if you're
doing that to yourself.
1113
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,240
I found that the numbers now a
reflection of the marketing
1114
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,640
efforts that you put into it.
And a lot of times that's
1115
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:32,200
marketing money.
That's why the numbers for these
1116
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:33,880
other artists are so high is
because they have they.
1117
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,000
Spend the money budgets.
Yeah.
1118
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,400
So there are ways in which you
can go about doing it your own
1119
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,960
self, but it's also important to
adjust your expectations when
1120
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,360
you do that.
Because I've done it both I've
1121
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,640
done, I've tried to release a
record on my own and do it on my
1122
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,160
own.
And then I've paid subject
1123
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,080
matter experts to place it and
where it needs to be and to do
1124
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,880
the things that it needs to do
so that the algorithm works.
1125
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,560
Not just what I think should
happen, right?
1126
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,720
Not just how I think it should
look, but what the algorithm
1127
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,160
needs it to look like so that it
gives it to everybody else.
1128
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,600
And when you just sort of.
Take that sort of adjustment to
1129
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,040
it instead of I'm giving up all
my creative freedom.
1130
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,400
Then it becomes a lot more
palatable when the good things
1131
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,760
start happening and then a lot
of people start seeing it.
1132
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,840
So that was a, a fun journey to
go on my own to start realizing
1133
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:26,080
that the, the authenticity that
I have of who I am can transfer
1134
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,440
into this medium of social
media, even though it seems like
1135
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:33,440
it can't or it won't.
I'm not exactly like, you know,
1136
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:35,960
some of the best streamers.
So that obviously means I don't
1137
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:37,800
have a place.
That's not how the shit works
1138
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,560
either.
You can forge your own place
1139
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,560
when you go about doing it the
right way.
1140
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,840
Cuz there's a process to
everything, Sure.
1141
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,280
So once I took that mentality
and with this record has pointed
1142
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:51,720
me and orientated me in that
direction, I've started to open
1143
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:56,600
up a whole bunch of different
avenues to make creation work
1144
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:00,080
for me so that it stimulates the
revenue streams.
1145
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,520
And then when I control all of
the revenue streams, then that
1146
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:07,480
becomes an artist centric
business model instead of the
1147
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:11,240
artist bottom business model,
which is we feed up everything
1148
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:14,320
to everybody up there and they
take our records and they take
1149
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,960
all of the the lion's share and
give us what's left.
1150
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:23,880
So when we control the the
levers of of command,
1151
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:28,760
essentially, yeah, the levers of
power in this way for ourselves,
1152
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,120
yeah, truly in the music
industry, that's when we truly
1153
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,880
become free and independent.
That's fantastic.
1154
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,520
That's cool.
We got to have you back on on a
1155
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,200
Friday, man.
There's I can just tell we could
1156
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,280
talk to you for like 3 hours,
like it's 20 minutes.
1157
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,720
We'll.
Expand on these stories some
1158
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,120
more.
Yeah, we are limited on
1159
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:46,840
Tuesdays.
Yeah.
1160
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,720
So look at tell.
Everybody again, where they what
1161
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,320
your latest releases are?
Yes.
1162
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,520
They can find him.
They can find him on Spotify,
1163
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:58,760
they can find him on all
streaming services, but mainly
1164
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,720
the Spotify 1.
You can find us on the the
1165
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:05,200
quarantine.bandcamp.com.
We're on band camp as well.
1166
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,880
So you can, you know, pay for
the albums there, give us
1167
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:10,360
donations, tips, anything like
that.
1168
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,880
It's all very much appreciated.
And streaming we're on, you
1169
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,440
know, social medias, TikTok,
YouTube, Instagram and Facebook
1170
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:18,920
at.
Yeah.
1171
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,920
And then obviously the
quarantine.com is your website
1172
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,520
and all the social media links
are on your website as well,
1173
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,120
correct?
Yes, absolutely.
1174
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:28,960
Yeah.
And obviously YouTube channel,
1175
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,880
etcetera.
Yes, cool.
1176
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,600
Right on, I found Martin at the
corner.
1177
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:35,680
Are you subscribing?
To all those.
1178
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,160
Right after this, yeah.
We'll get all that subscribed
1179
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,960
and, and give you props and, you
know, and then I'll shoot you an
1180
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,600
e-mail with Fridays and you pick
a Friday that works for you and
1181
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:47,480
we'll we'll get you back on and
go down deeper down the rabbit
1182
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,000
hole of Sean Martin in the
quarantine.
1183
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:51,440
Yeah.
That sounds awesome.
1184
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:52,840
Dude really enjoyed talking to
you brother.
1185
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,480
Yeah.
Thank you so much for having me.
1186
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:55,640
Yeah.
And the parts that I was
1187
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,800
available to, to be present, I
enjoyed it as well.
1188
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,080
I just, I looked at the clock.
Holy shit, it's like that.
1189
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,120
We wrap up every show like this,
which I'm sure I'll appreciate
1190
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:05,480
considering where you've come
from.
1191
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,000
If you're feeling suicidal,
depressed, don't do it.
1192
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,880
Go for a run, go jog, go
journal, go scream in a pillow.
1193
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,440
Go find somebody to talk to you.
If you cannot find somebody to
1194
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,440
talk to you, text 988.
Someone is there waiting to talk
1195
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,000
to you, to help help you change
your mindset, talk you off that
1196
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,000
ledge, get you off that Cliff.
Tomorrow is a much better day
1197
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:23,760
with you in it.
Don't leave a hole in somebody
1198
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,520
else's heart because you decide
to leave the world before you
1199
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,720
should.
For the Chris and Mike show, I'm
1200
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:29,280
Chris.
He's Mike.
1201
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,840
This is Sean Mart of the
quarantine thequarantine.com.
1202
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,280
Go check him out, go buy his
music, go follow him on all his
1203
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:36,960
socials.
We're going to have a back on
1204
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,000
the show go a little deeper dive
into his life resume, which by
1205
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,680
the way, we've just touched on
just a portion of.
1206
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,280
Lost the surface.
It's just, I mean, I'm excited
1207
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,680
to have you back and just have
more of an in depth conversation
1208
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,520
with you because I just imagine
everybody came back to that was
1209
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,280
too short, that was too short
and get him back.
1210
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,960
So I'll get you back,
absolutely.
1211
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:58,080
Yeah, thank you so much for
having.
1212
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,080
Me truly, truly appreciate your
time and again, I'm sorry I had
1213
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,320
to bounce a couple times with,
you know, the damn irrigated
1214
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:03,560
lot.
You have to, you know, be
1215
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:05,360
responsible so you don't flood
your neighbors out.
1216
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,680
God forbid.
It's all good, brother, it's all
1217
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,400
good.
Until next time we'll see you
1218
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:12,560
peace.
Love you brother.
1219
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,120
Peace, love you too man.
Thanks, Sean.
1220
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:16,080
Much love.
00:00:58,110 --> 00:01:00,190
And there you have it.
Welcome to the Chris and Mike
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show, ladies and gentlemen.
Chris will be along momentarily.
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He has a project he has to
finish up real quick, but we're
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going to welcome Sean Martin and
he's going to enlighten us on
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all things music, I'm going to
guess, and among other things.
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As much as I can, Yeah, sure.
Well, we were having a great
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conversation before we got
started and I heard Chris in the
8
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back of my head saying you can
hit record anytime.
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Golden moments.
We're losing valuable
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information here.
So I already know that you like
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to talk music, and I'm going to
assume you're a guitar player.
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Yes, yes.
Guitar player and vocalist.
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Yeah.
OK, I read that.
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Audio engineer too, and.
Exactly.
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Me too.
You have a lot of things in
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common.
Yeah.
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Absolutely.
Do you have a way to turn your?
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I should have told you this
before.
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Do you have a way to turn your
volume up just a little bit?
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Yes, through your microphone.
Yeah.
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Purple let.
Me try to bring this up a little
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bit, how about now sounds?
Way better, dude.
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Yeah, and just stay close to
your mic so we can hear.
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You OK?
Sure.
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Yeah, absolutely.
So what got you started in
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music?
And what I started at nine years
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old playing guitar.
So I kind of never quit from
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there and decided that I wanted
to try it for a living for a
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while.
And I started that journey at 18
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in Chicago and then I moved to
Phoenix and I was 19.
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Then I met Chris shortly
afterwards and we started
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Nemesis.
And that's how we came to do
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this podcast, as we've said a
lot of times.
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But these are, you know, some of
these are stand alone ones.
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So I try and make sure that
everybody understands why we're
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here.
We are talking music.
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What got you started, man?
So it was community choirs when
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I was four years old actually,
so.
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OK, hold on.
Let me interrupt you real quick.
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It was Belle Choir for me at
church.
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I forgot I played in the Belle
choir.
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Right.
Thank you.
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Go on.
Yeah.
44
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Yeah.
It's So I was doing then I was
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doing opera at seven.
I was one of the little kids in
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an opera production for the
Mendocino Music Festival one
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year.
And then at 12, I picked up the
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guitar and started learning.
You know, the first thing that I
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learned was Green Daytime of
Your Life.
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And then the second song I
learned was Crossroads by Cream.
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And then the third song that I
learned was Purple Haze by Jimi
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Hendrix.
And then after that it was all
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Metallica and Green Day.
Pennywise, you know, Linkin
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Park, when they, when they came
out, especially, I was learning
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a lot of their stuff.
So great.
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Awesome.
Yeah.
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And, you know, I would always
play the, the classics.
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I would always play Zeppelin and
Sabbath.
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And yeah, I, I, I definitely
loved Boston a hell of a lot
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more when I was much older.
But but when I was young, I
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mean, it was a lot of
straightforward, especially like
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9 Inch Nails when they were
coming out like they, they, they
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were, they were really big,
sublime.
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I think you and I would have got
along great.
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Yeah, probably.
It sounds like I was the same
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way.
I liked everything that was good
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but different than what was
going at.
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Like, Sublime wasn't what was
going on at the time, but that
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album was huge, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, they were.
There's a bunch of bands after
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them that tried to be them, but
they were the originators of
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that music, just like Rage
Against the Machine was the
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originator of that style of
music.
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And then along comes Limp
Bizkit.
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We had a legendary DJ on here on
the last episode on Friday, and
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he reminded us of that, you
know?
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Yeah, not that Limp Bizkit's a
bad band, but it's a commercial
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product by product of Rage
Against the Machine.
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You can't argue that at all.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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I would agree.
Yeah, coming from that, they
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they were trying to ride the fad
of having a DJ in your rock
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music.
And you know, that was that goes
83
00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:09,760
back as well.
You know, you can take it back
84
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to Aerosmith and run DNC back in
the day, you know, but at least
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they got it really became a
genre.
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Yeah.
That's when that's when it
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really became a genre and a hook
and a whole group of people
88
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doing it, not just, oh, look at
this one cool thing that we did
89
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this one time, you know?
Right.
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And boy, did that work.
Yeah.
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That's what you call
overwhelming success.
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Yeah, but the Pennywise, the
Sublime, what else did you
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mention?
There was another one.
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How about like Coc?
Did you listen to Corrosion?
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Oh yeah, yeah, I listen to
Corrosion and Conformity.
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00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:52,800
Yeah, they're from around the
same.
97
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I think they're from around
Sacramento if I'm not mistaken.
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I think you're probably correct.
I don't know to be honest.
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Yeah, it was not.
They were not far.
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Like I remember them even being
mentioned, like in people going,
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00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,400
you know, oh, we're going to go
to the cursion conformity, you
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00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,600
know, show and stuff.
Even when I was young and then
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as well, when I was in music
school, I had many of my friends
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who were very, very much fans of
theirs.
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Yeah.
And for the people that don't
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know who The Corrosion of
Conformity is, they would be a
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00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:25,040
musician's musician band, like a
band like Metallica looks up to
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Corrosion of Conformity still to
this day.
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You know, they would bow down to
him as just doing it, doing it
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their own way with such a unique
sound.
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I have a producer friend of mine
who said individually, those are
112
00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,360
two of the worst guitar tones in
the history of the universe
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00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,440
until you blend them together,
right?
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00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,440
And then it's that beautiful
sound that you hear.
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00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,320
And by beautiful, if you don't
like distorted guitars, ladies
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00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,800
and gentlemen, you will not like
Corrosion of Conformity.
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But it is such a wall of sound,
right?
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Yeah.
And he knows those guys
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personally.
He just said it takes such a
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horrible, in his opinion, a
horrible individual sound to
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create that blend.
Yeah, yeah, it makes sense.
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Yeah.
Like you, you've got to figure
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out how it fits into the entire
of what I would say is the
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envelope of the, of the song,
the the envelope of the of the
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sound, you know, So at any given
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kind of sound, it still fits in
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Because it belongs there
sonically, right?
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Right.
Yeah.
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And, and because there's still a
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the sound of the music that
keeps it all in, in, you know,
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in key.
And so the things out of key
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also say something.
And that's really where the
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artistry of metal really comes
through that sometimes a lot of
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people miss, is that it's not
just about the correct notes you
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play.
It's also about the weird notes
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that bring emotion through.
I'm really good at those, dude.
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Right, because yeah, all the
weird ones.
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And when?
You don't know enough.
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I know.
How do I want to say this?
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I know enough theory to get
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Yeah, I developed my own sound.
I got lucky in that I found my
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voice on the guitar before I was
technically done learning it
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right.
Yeah.
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But I think that that's such a
great way of putting it.
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I've never thought about that.
It's all those oddball things
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that I do that were near and
dear to people's heart because a
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technically trained musician
would not do such a stupid
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thing, right?
Right, right.
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But exactly.
With what I was doing, and like
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you said, Chris's voice was very
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with that musically.
I could do things on the guitar
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that were countered of what he
was singing for a melody, right?
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And now you have that harmony of
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together.
You just described something I
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painted a picture in my head as
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It's like that's exactly what we
were doing, was fitting
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ourselves into the song, but we
were too stupid to know what we
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were really doing right.
But you could emotionally feel
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it, and that's why you.
Or somebody would say, I'm not
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trying to hurt your feelings or,
you know, but that doesn't work
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there, right?
Something's weird about how it
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sounds.
That's how they would always say
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it.
And you can't argue with that.
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It's like, yeah, you're right.
It's weird.
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Yeah.
But sometimes, you know, going
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through those those aspects of
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the constructive criticism that
needs to be had for the moment.
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But at the same time, you know,
Jimi Hendrix would say no, I
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meant to do that.
So, you know, you can.
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But when you've got, so when
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you know, doing the, the kind of
things on the fret board that,
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that make it speak, that's
that's the kind of little bits
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that that I'm talking about
adding in there.
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And in fact, you were doing it,
you were doing a stylistic
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version when I, when I stepped
on of Eddie Van Halen.
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So when you're adding in those
little, those little bits into
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what to you is just normal, you
know, rote mechanics, then just
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that little bit will give
someone something to look
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forward to and to listen forward
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You know, sometimes we, we as
musicians have to remember that
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a lot of times that's all that
it really takes.
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You don't need to put the whole
bottle of salt on there to get
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someone to understand that you
have command of salt.
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You know what I'm saying, right.
So sometimes a little bit truly
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does.
The long way.
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Sorry brother.
Sure, he might be.
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No, he's back now.
I can hear it.
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OK.
Hello hello command of salt.
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen,
the one and only based on them.
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Right, right.
How are you?
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Sorry, sorry for the welcome
brother, the delay and then I
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got to I got to sneak away.
You're fine. 4:30 because I got
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to shut the other port so I
don't flat out my neighbor, but
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you know my cast.
In here we were nerding out on
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you were nerding.
Out on guitar 'cause I when I
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first came out I heard Sean
saying you were wee wee wee on
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my call guitar talk, which is
awesome.
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And he's an audio engineer and
he's a singer, so you have
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things in common with him as
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So right now, absolutely right
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Cool, he's a musician's
musician.
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That's fantastic.
Mike likes talking guitar talk,
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and that's something I cannot do
for him.
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So it's fun when we have
somebody on that can, you know,
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nerd out with guitars, man.
That's awesome, Sean.
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Yeah, but he is real.
Good.
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I'll be able to do both.
Like, you know, I can talk
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about, you know, vocal stuff
too.
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It's, it's a very important
aspect of, of everything that
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I've been doing since I was very
young.
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Is integrating on the breathing
exercises cool match up to the
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same breathing exercises that
you do to as coping mechanisms
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for panic attacks?
Oh, no shit, right.
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Yeah.
So when you so when you're
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practicing becoming a better
singer by doing the
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diaphragmatic breathing
exercises, guess what?
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You're also training your body
how to get over panic attacks.
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No, I did not know that.
That's crazy.
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Yeah, that's crazy.
And since I never had panic
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attacks, I just can't.
I can just store that in their
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wheelhouse.
OK, It's been a while since I
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Yeah, it's been a while since I
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did all the breathing exercises
and stuff.
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stuff because I had voice
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lessons throughout my tenure as
a singer, because you got to
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every your voice is like
everything else, right?
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It's an instrument.
You got to treat it right.
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You got to take care of it.
You got to work it out.
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And, you know, a lot of people
don't get that, which I think is
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kind of funny.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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It's a very detailed thing, you
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lost my voice 3 or 4 times
already and I've been able to,
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to bring it back because of the
things that, that I learned in
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the, from the people that I
trained under.
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That's cool.
And like, that was, and I
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remember the teacher telling me
I'm training, this is what I'm
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training your, your voice to do
so that when these things
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happen, you can feel how to
bring it back instead of just
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knowing how to bring it back.
Right on and that that was like
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some of the most invaluable
things how to to open up the the
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registers and the resonances in
each of the different spots
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where the voice usually comes
from your throat, your nose, the
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front of your of your of your
mouth and your chest that's.
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Cool, man, That's very cool.
I, I, I, I was in shape enough
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from a vocal standpoint.
When I, my last band I was in,
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we went to Nashville and the
first day we were there, I
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thought it was all scratch
vocals.
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Like I thought we were just
recording the music and stuff.
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And we did 4 songs in 12 hours
with a like an hour lunch break.
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And I sang the entire time and I
could talk fine the next day.
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And then when we were done with
the four song, the producer was
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like, OK, we got 4 songs down
and I'm like, well, I got to do
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the vocals.
He's like, you did the vocals?
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I was like what?
And he just, yeah, he took the
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best, the best version of every
song we I sang.
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And just without, without
knowing what I thought was kind
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of cool because then there was
there was absolutely no pressure
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on me at all, at all.
I just, I thought I was just
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scratch recording.
So they were following along
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with the music and then we were
going to come back the next
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steps, lay down the tracks and
he's like, no, you, you're done.
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Like, OK, what the hell are we
going to do tomorrow?
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Yeah.
You know, I think Legend has it
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that's how Stranglehold got
recorded too.
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Really.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
I'm pretty sure that's the first
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take he did, and he did many
more takes after that and never
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liked anything as good as that.
Eruptions the same way they they
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did that to Eddie.
Same trick they did to you.
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That's crazy.
We're just warming up.
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Can you play that thing you've
been playing?
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Wow.
Yeah, and Eddie always hated it
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because he said there's a
mistake at the top of religion
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that bothered him for Yeah.
Wow.
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But the rest of it, I guess was
the best.
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And back then, you know, you
didn't have the option of, I
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don't know, maybe they weren't
cutting tape then or something.
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That's interesting, I never knew
that.
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Or maybe it was in a spot where
you couldn't cut to.
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Yeah, there's so many notes on a
guitar.
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Yeah, when you tell that story.
I was thinking those two
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stories, Eddie's eruption.
And so I'm pretty sure
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strangleholds the first take
too.
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Wow, kind of like Stairway to
Heaven first take.
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Yep, yeah.
Of course people don't
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understand if you're not a
musician, they don't understand
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what well versed musicians Led
Zeppelin was leading up to
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becoming Led Zeppelin.
Jimmy Page played on over half
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of the recordings that came out
of Europe from like 1940
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something to the early 19 or
midnight.
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And then and and.
John Paul, Joan, Same way.
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Yep, studio musicians that just
non-stop just played and played
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and played and played.
And it's kind of like The
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Beatles people.
A lot of people don't understand
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The Beatles.
Hold on.
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Before you go on to that, think
about Led Zeppelin.
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Yeah, I just thought of this.
You got two of the best studio
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musicians arguably in the
history of the world put
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together with two guys who were
playing in a bar band.
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Yeah, yeah.
And you had the most magic in
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Rock'n'roll history.
What were you going to say about
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The Beatles?
I I watched they had a
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documentary a long time ago.
It was like AI don't know 12
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hour documentary or something so
they had to watch it in pieces.
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Like a Ken Burns.
They would play like legit like
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6 hour shows.
They would just play non-stop.
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They would just play after song
after song after song, which
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nowadays I you know, I mean
aside from rehearsal, right?
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But they would actually be in
front of crowds just playing
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like these elaborated, lengthy
shows.
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And you and I, and you probably
know this too, Sean, when you're
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on stage with your band in front
of a crowd that's like 10
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practices in one, you know,
because you can't stop.
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You can't say whoops.
And you can't recreate that
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setting.
No, right.
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Yeah.
So it sounds exactly like it's
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going to sound there and it's
going to be that way, right?
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So that's the thing with The
Beatles and Zeppelin, man, they
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just they had their they had
their craft down to a just a
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tea.
I mean, it was in their in their
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souls and their bones, every
fiber in muscle memory.
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Just that's when we talked to
Paul.
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We talked to a Neander Paul,
that last show we did a disc
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jockey that's been all over the
United States.
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Really cool guy.
We talked about how Zeppelin is.
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It's just timeless.
Like it's just timeless.
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It doesn't matter when it comes
on what era comes on, what
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decade, what year, It just
sounds like it was just
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recorded.
Yeah, always.
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Which is cool.
Yeah, it still grabs you
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emotionally regardless of of any
anything else.
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And it does the same thing for
me.
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I mean, every time that I hear
something on on the catalog and
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it's, you know, one of my
favorites, one of the 25
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different songs that I can't
decide which ones are my
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favorites.
You know, it's it's still grabs
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you and still takes you back to
that place, but also at the same
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time is still an anthem for
something that you would want to
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do right now.
You know, like, that's why Black
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dog is I think the way that it,
that it really is and has become
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the, you know, been on
everybody's list from the song
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that they that they want to have
at their BBQ to the song that
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Chevy wants to use to promote
its new truck.
344
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You know, it's so it's, it
really spans the, the, the
345
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generations and it, it really
doesn't matter if it wasn't
346
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recorded in Pro Tools.
It really, it really doesn't
347
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fucking matter.
I.
348
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Don't think, I don't think it
would have ever sounded the same
349
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if it had been.
I think it took those guys as
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minds of setting John Bonham's
drums up in a hallway or
351
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whatever they did to get When
the Levee breaks.
352
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And come to find out years
later, Jimmy Page mostly used
353
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little 8 and 10 Watt amps.
He wasn't using gigantic
354
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Marshalls in there, you know.
He was using boutique amps that
355
00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,720
were small and compact and
unique enough that he could
356
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blend those sounds together to
get a massive guitar sound.
357
00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,480
And we just established John
Paul Jones was a musical and is
358
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still a musical genius, right?
He's been composing for movies
359
00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:14,400
and TV scores and God knows what
for 40, some 50 some years now.
360
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,520
Yeah, it's like Brian May
astrophysics who plays guitar.
361
00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,640
Yeah, just happens to play
guitar.
362
00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,600
I need something to fall back.
On In the World.
363
00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,800
I'm going to play guitar, but I
need something to fall back on,
364
00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,040
something in astrophysics just
to just in case this doesn't
365
00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,040
work out.
So think about this real quick,
366
00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,000
and I promise we'll get on to
Sean's story.
367
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:36,600
OK?
Yeah.
368
00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,160
Mark Winters did it in reverse.
He became like an astrophysicist
369
00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:41,360
and then a musician.
Yeah.
370
00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,720
Yeah.
Yeah, we have this guy that's
371
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just insanely genius, man.
That that.
372
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,560
Yeah, So cool, really cool.
Just I just, you know, fun guy,
373
00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,360
really fun guy.
Just for who he is and what he
374
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is.
Well, yeah.
375
00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,080
So whatever you guys are talking
about when I jumped on.
376
00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,040
Go ahead.
We got up to the point where
377
00:19:58,360 --> 00:20:02,400
Sean had become a musician.
He's now an audio engineer as
378
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:03,960
well.
Songwriter, singer.
379
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:04,960
Nice.
What?
380
00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,720
Where did you go from there?
You know, did you start a band?
381
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,360
At what point?
You know, I think you said you
382
00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:15,000
were in your teens by the time
you, you know, started singing
383
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,880
and playing guitar, right?
12 to 19.
384
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,360
Nice.
Yeah, yeah.
385
00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:24,520
And, and I recorded about 10 of
the songs that I wrote there and
386
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,120
just really kept them for
myself.
387
00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:29,880
You know, it's really just for,
for me to accomplish, you know,
388
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:34,000
that because I knew that at that
point that I was going to go
389
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into the military.
So I joined the Airborne
390
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:43,120
infantry right after my 18th
birthday and went to, I joined
391
00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:46,240
up in the 18X program, which was
the fast track into Special
392
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,400
Forces.
And so it required you to go
393
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:53,040
through airborne school, you
know, basic training for
394
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:54,640
infantry and then airborne
school.
395
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,080
And then you could decide
whether you would go to Fort
396
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Bragg, NC to do the Special
Forces training or go to a unit
397
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,480
at the needs of the Army and
deployed to Iraq.
398
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,520
And then after that, you could
request to go to Special Forces
399
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,440
and you would school and you
would get it.
400
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,440
So that's, that's essentially
what I was on.
401
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,800
And when I got to that choice,
after airborne school, I decided
402
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,520
to join.
I decided to go to a unit and
403
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,560
deploy to Iraq.
So I deployed to Iraq in 2006
404
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,120
with the third of the Five or
Ninth Airborne Infantry
405
00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:30,040
Regiment.
Thank you for your service by
406
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,320
the.
Way.
407
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:32,800
Thank you.
I appreciate your support.
408
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,680
Absolutely.
And so, you know, the deployment
409
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,800
was a crazy one.
It was not fucking normal at
410
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:45,560
all.
And IA lot of strange
411
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,880
experiences, a lot of combat
experiences, a lot of, you know,
412
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:56,520
issues with people who I worked
with, you know, issues with the
413
00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,080
way that the war was being
conducted, issues for the
414
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,040
reasons why we're there, lots
of.
415
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,400
You got there and all the sudden
things were not kosher for you
416
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:11,520
mentally or the what you're.
Seeing no, no, like I had to go
417
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,800
through a lot of combat
experiences to truly know what
418
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:21,560
was going on.
And it wasn't until July or so
419
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:26,720
that of 2007, like after I'd
been there about 8:00 or nine
420
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:31,360
months or so already that I that
I was even considering not being
421
00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:37,200
in the military anymore.
It, it wasn't until the Sergeant
422
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:43,400
major who I was working directly
under sent me to go do a mission
423
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,640
that he knew and was expecting
that I was going to die at.
424
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,840
And when I didn't die at it and
it came back to him, he was
425
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,520
thoroughly surprised.
And it was after that, that I,
426
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,640
that I had all of the Intel
that, that this happened from
427
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,440
the person who I wasn't supposed
to interrogate.
428
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,000
I was just supposed to watch,
but I interrogated them and I
429
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,880
found out that he, that it's a
whole, that he was a triple
430
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,080
agent.
It was a long fucking story.
431
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,760
But the point of, of all this
is, is that it made me very,
432
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:16,040
very disillusioned to what the
system really was that I was a
433
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,440
part of.
And then they, and because of
434
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,120
that, they gave me a choice.
They gave me the golden ticket
435
00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:24,720
into Special Forces school and
they said, we'll give you
436
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,240
recommendations or you can get
the golden parachute out.
437
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,560
And I said, let me go.
I don't trust you guys anymore.
438
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:33,800
Oh.
Right on.
439
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:38,200
So after that I took my GI Bill
and went to music school.
440
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,440
My son's a Marine.
He's getting out in August.
441
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,800
Oh yeah.
Yeah, he just decided.
442
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,280
He decided he couldn't.
They couldn't get.
443
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,960
It was weird, man.
He like he was looking all these
444
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,400
different MLSS he's going to
transfer to because he made
445
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,000
Sergeant, became a supply chief,
wanted to change the MLS.
446
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,920
Then Iran happened and then all
the MLSS were no longer
447
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,720
available.
And I was like, well, dude,
448
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,400
think about it, we're at war
now.
449
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,240
So you got to, they probably
have to stop the MOS stuff
450
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,880
because they're not going to let
people move and shit and train
451
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,120
them why chaos is going on.
But yeah, he's he's, he's
452
00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:19,640
bouncing.
He's he's going to be home in
453
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,880
August, so.
Yeah, well, you know, that's
454
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,320
good.
Yeah, yeah.
455
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,880
Interesting.
Yeah, if that's his decision,
456
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,760
then that's his decision.
Yeah, you know, we're a little
457
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,920
surprised by it, you know, but.
Well.
458
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:36,080
Really.
Why?
459
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,840
What's that?
Why are you surprised by it?
460
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,560
Because all the conversations we
had, he was, he was going back
461
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,800
to drill instructor school, then
he was going to do another three
462
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,400
years of that.
Once he got done with that, he
463
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,240
was going to do a lateral move
and, and get in the fire science
464
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,120
aspect of it.
And you know, he had, he had
465
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:55,440
reached out to try to get into a
program that would allow him to
466
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,120
leave, come home for four years
and go to school full time.
467
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,400
And then once he graduated from
ASU, then goes, goes right back
468
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,240
into the core.
But those four years count.
469
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,640
But then he goes in as an
officer, then he's so he's kind
470
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:14,040
of an untouchable guy.
And you know, you know, for lack
471
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,320
of a return is going to be a
lifer.
472
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,280
And then just when he went from
one spot to another spot in
473
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,480
Pendleton, got the promotion,
got the rank, the rank up.
474
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,240
And then just kind of within two
weeks span, he's like, I'm out.
475
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,880
So that's kind of why it was
like, OK, reel it back, man.
476
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,560
Like what happened?
What's what's what's the
477
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,720
underlying tone here?
You know what's you know, and
478
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,040
then when we had the
conversation, it's like, OK,
479
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,960
we'll make sure you, you know,
look at all these options and
480
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,320
stuff.
Just don't knee jerk react
481
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,800
because you're not happy with
going from point A to point B.
482
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,720
Because you know, once you, once
you get settled into that new
483
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,320
spot and learn all the stuff,
then you'll be back, you know,
484
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,360
dominating like you've always
dominated.
485
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,040
He's an accounting supplier and
logistics.
486
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,800
So he's not, it's not a, it's
not a infantry guy.
487
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,800
He was a backup shipper.
So when he when he went in, he
488
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,960
had to fall in line with those
three MO s s that kid couldn't
489
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,800
that was going to do 2 he
couldn't do because he's color
490
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,480
deficient.
So it was, you know, those two
491
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:13,760
are accounting, supply and
logistics.
492
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,000
So he's 18 years old and had
$1,000,000 credit card moving,
493
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,040
you know, equipment around the
world.
494
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,760
You know KAKE job.
Totally KAKE job.
495
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,560
It is a good gig, you know for
sure.
496
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,200
So, you know, as a father, you
just, you know, it's that worry,
497
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,960
you know, it's that concern.
OK, what are you going to do?
498
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,160
Life is not going to be as easy
out here now as this cake job
499
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,280
where you get up, you have to go
into 10, you get 2 hours for
500
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,480
lunch, then you go back and
you're back.
501
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,840
You're done every day by 5, you
know, and you're working out in
502
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,960
the morning, working out at
lunch, that type of thing.
503
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,800
So you know.
Well, see, he's he's lucky
504
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,560
though, in in multiple ways and
it's a little bit of wisdom
505
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,520
about things kind of tells me at
least a a few things that most
506
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,600
likely what what is probably
going on is that program that he
507
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,440
was wanting to get into got
ripped right out from under him
508
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:04,680
because everybody was going to
war.
509
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,440
Well, that's what I'm saying so.
Because, Yeah, so because of
510
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,800
that, because if they take away
your your future, then the whole
511
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,360
reason of why you were joining
is kind of like, right, gone.
512
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:18,760
So what the Hell's the point of
it?
513
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,920
You know?
And he has a job that transfers
514
00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:24,080
into the civilian world,
correct?
515
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:29,200
He can go to a lot of different
companies and probably get, you
516
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,280
know, experience and they will
count the experience that he had
517
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,080
in the military, right, as
something that helps him and
518
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,560
benefits him for a job that is
not a fucking anywhere near what
519
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,600
I had.
I had zero.
520
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,360
Gotcha.
Like when it comes back for that
521
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:44,120
kind of shit.
Yeah.
522
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,880
For, you know, doing infantry
stuff.
523
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,440
You, you don't like the civilian
world doesn't get it and they
524
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,920
don't understand, you know, and
also the skills and stuff just
525
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,600
don't apply to the majority of
the legal businesses that you
526
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,960
could get into in the United
States.
527
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,400
The rest of it is all pretty
much, you know, under the table
528
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,000
kind of shit that you again
better decide you're going to be
529
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,840
doing this for the rest of your
life again or else you're going
530
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,480
to have some fucking problems.
You know, and and and I had, I
531
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,880
had told him before that you
know when he does like I had a
532
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,160
client, I sell hassles.
So I had a client years ago that
533
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,160
his dad had that same MOS in the
Marines.
534
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,480
He was accounting supply and
logistics.
535
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,880
He spent 20 years in the
Marines, got out, went and got a
536
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,600
job at City of Phoenix and
accounting supply and logistics,
537
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,880
spent 20 years doing that.
He had just retired when I met
538
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,320
his son to sell his son a house.
Double pensions, you know,
539
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,920
double health benefits, double
everything because he spent, you
540
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:43,480
know, 18 to 38 as a Marine, 38
to 58 with the city of Phoenix.
541
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:49,520
And you know, 58 nowadays is 40.
You know, I'm 56 years, 56 years
542
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,800
old and nobody guesses that, you
know, when I, when I was a kid,
543
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,000
56, man, you, you were fucking
in a Walker, you know, going to
544
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,680
this old, you know, go to eat at
4:00 because you had the gummy
545
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,800
food and shit.
I literally just read the other
546
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:08,440
day that Archie Bunker was 49
years old when All in the Family
547
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,440
started.
Wow, wow.
548
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,560
That blew me away.
That's that is so emboggling.
549
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,360
You, you just described what we
were looking at in a 50 year old
550
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,720
man back then.
Yeah, a lot of them did look
551
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,920
like they were, Yeah, basically
over the hill.
552
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm going to
be. 53 nobody guess is my age no
553
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,160
how.
Old are you, Sean?
554
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,000
I'm 40, OK?
You're doing good too.
555
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,520
Yeah, yeah.
We were taught never to trust
556
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,520
anybody over 40 When?
We were 20.
557
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,720
True story now.
We're 50 something.
558
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,240
I don't know where that came.
Now it's then we don't trust
559
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:51,320
anybody under 40, right?
Yeah, that's a good.
560
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,520
Story it's kind of like, it's
kind of like you, you have these
561
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,480
Realtors on TikTok now they go
viral, right?
562
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,040
They have like 23 million views
and they're they're walking
563
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,480
through $10 million houses and
Scott Stone shit.
564
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,280
And you know, they're thinking
they're bad ass and stuff.
565
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,680
You look them up, they've never
sold a house in their life, but
566
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,840
they're gone viral.
Yeah, like cool, I'm going to go
567
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,240
viral.
I'm going to go viral with this
568
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,240
house.
That's how they're making their
569
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,000
money then.
Yeah, if they're doing it right,
570
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,400
yeah, but they're not.
They're not selling houses that
571
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:17,680
you know, but they're acting
like they.
572
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,840
No.
They're monetizing off Instagram
573
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,720
or whatever.
Right, it's just kind of
574
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,160
comical.
It's like, OK, you know, viral
575
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,000
doesn't give you business.
It's just, it's, it's a video
576
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:32,320
Next, next, next, next.
You know, it's comical.
577
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,480
There's.
There's some things that you
578
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,960
that you can get from, from
going viral, but it's not
579
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:44,480
directly like linked or related.
It's it's essentially the best
580
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,080
that you can have is just
another feather in your cap.
581
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,320
And in a way, and I can guess
from this, you know, from this
582
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:55,440
guy that you know, he's looking
to get attention onto a specific
583
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,960
thing.
So the being a real estate
584
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,320
agent, I imagine he probably has
some budget for it.
585
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,640
So he puts a little bit of
budget and he can get a lot of
586
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,320
eyes on one particular thing and
that's.
587
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,800
But he's never sold anything.
So when you're going, when
588
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,000
you're, when you're going
forward, it's a chick by the
589
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,320
way.
And you know he's a chick.
590
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,440
So when you're going out there,
you know, doing that, you're
591
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:17,960
not.
You must be.
592
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,000
There's no experience to back it
and you're, you're, you're going
593
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,920
through somebody else's listing
And, and the way they go by the
594
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,520
sign really quick.
This is like, because they get
595
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,680
away with, oh, why I I gave the
realtor who hasn't listed
596
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,880
credit.
Like we're really mindful when,
597
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,760
when a 20 year old tries to show
one of my million plus listings,
598
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,040
like here.
Why are you showing a listing?
599
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:38,840
Well, I'm going to make video.
Yeah.
600
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,040
No, you're not.
No, you're not.
601
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,120
My seller's not going to
appreciate you popping for
602
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,920
TikTok, walking around their
house and what you call the
603
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,000
dress.
Sorry, not happening.
604
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,240
You know, Yeah, but you know,
teachers own man, I don't care.
605
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,480
I, you know, you do what you got
to do, but it's just to me, it's
606
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,040
it's kind of false advertising
because you're not you're not
607
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,720
you don't have any knowledge or
experience because you've never
608
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,680
sold anything.
And here you are going to a
609
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,360
multi million, I'm talking, you
know, eleven $12 million house
610
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,440
in Scottsdale.
Look at me, look at me, look at
611
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:11,400
me.
And it's like, oh, you don't
612
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,680
know the first thing about
selling a house, yet here you
613
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:20,560
are walking through somebody's
thing and those type of people,
614
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,400
you know, they don't live on
TikTok and shit.
615
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:23,720
So they're never going to
realize it's there.
616
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,600
But if they did, I'm sure the
shit would hit the fan.
617
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,640
Because they're not.
It's not a proper representation
618
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,960
of that lifestyle or that house
or that property or what it is.
619
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,200
My opinion, obviously.
Well, well, simply, you didn't
620
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,600
have their permission.
Right.
621
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,800
Yeah, and you have to have
permission to advertise somebody
622
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,240
else's listing, which is why
they just braced by the sign
623
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,160
writer and well, that's that's
the guys name.
624
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,800
Yeah, okay.
But here's here's my point to
625
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,520
she's point.
If I were the owner of that
626
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,280
property, then you came to me
and you said this kid wants to
627
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,720
go viral on Instagram, can he
shoot a video?
628
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,840
If I had a badass house, I might
just say yes.
629
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,840
Right.
To get those million views or 2
630
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,240
million views, I just think I
agree with the way you're
631
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,720
looking at it because if the
seller doesn't say yes, you can
632
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,360
bring my house on TikTok.
Most people don't want that
633
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:13,960
done.
Right.
634
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,560
That's the problem they're going
through.
635
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,440
And we're totally off topic
here, but they're going through
636
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,320
and and, you know, they want to
show a listing and then all of a
637
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,480
sudden they're there and then
boom, you know, two days later
638
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,120
shows up and there's, you know,
yeah.
639
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:27,800
And then you look him up, It's
like, OK, yeah.
640
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,040
They didn't have permission
because they didn't disclose who
641
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,120
it was and the way they filmed
it and the way they just breezed
642
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,760
by the sign.
And so I'm sorry, scroll moment.
643
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,280
I'm just going to blame Sean
because he got involved and then
644
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,200
I backed him up, so I remember
where we were at.
645
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,160
You went to audio school on the
money that the military gave you
646
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,160
for getting out.
Keep.
647
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,640
Talking about audio, I got to go
pull the porch.
648
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,200
So continue the conversation.
I'll be right back.
649
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,720
You're fine, brother.
Yeah, So where'd you go?
650
00:33:52,720 --> 00:34:00,360
I'll So I at first I decided
that I was going to go to
651
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,560
Minneapolis, the Saint Paul.
There's a school there.
652
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,320
That I researched almost all of
them.
653
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,280
Yeah, so maybe you'll know the
name McNally and Smith.
654
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,000
It sounds familiar, yeah.
Yeah, they they were in Saint
655
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,159
Paul.
So I went there and I went
656
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:19,679
through the process and
everything and it was all good.
657
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,679
And I was going to go for the
audition to the school, and I
658
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:27,760
get there to the audition, and
the guy is this very crotchety
659
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,880
old, you know, guy who's super
pissed off that he has to be
660
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,679
there, you know, and is
listening to me play, you know,
661
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:37,120
like Voodoo Child.
And, you know, it's some.
662
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:40,560
And I didn't realize Nellie
Smith was trying to be like the
663
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,080
Western version of Berkeley.
Like they were much more jazz
664
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,880
focused and they were like rock
or even pop for that matter.
665
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,600
If you liked any of those, you
were kind of like not really
666
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,480
taken seriously, kind of, you
know, so I show up there and,
667
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,920
and doing straight rock and like
playing ACDC and Black Sabbath
668
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,320
and Jimi Hendrix and stuff.
And they're like, and so that
669
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,440
the guy was like, you don't
belong here.
670
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,640
Like you, you really shouldn't,
you know, you're not going to
671
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,120
fit in this.
I didn't like anything that
672
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,880
you're doing.
You only have two versions of a
673
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,920
pentatonic scale.
You, you don't belong here.
674
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:15,640
I mean, he discouraged me a hell
of a lot.
675
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,120
So I just wrote it off.
And then two weeks later they
676
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,560
gave me a call back and we're
like, hey, why aren't you in
677
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,560
classes?
And I'm like, because the
678
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,280
audition dude told me I didn't
fucking belong here and that I
679
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,680
only knew 2 versions of the of,
you know, pentatonic scales and
680
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,560
that wasn't enough.
And they're like, well, no, no,
681
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,120
like you can still come.
And I'm like, no, if you got
682
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,080
people like that at that school,
like I, I don't, I don't really
683
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,720
want to go.
No, that would turn me off as
684
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:40,840
well.
Right.
685
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:41,440
Yeah.
So.
686
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,000
So I just let it go.
And then I looked at Musicians
687
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,920
Institute in Los Angeles and
they didn't care that I didn't
688
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,480
know everything that I didn't
know.
689
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:52,640
They were like, yeah, we'll
teach you it.
690
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,440
That's the whole point of why
you're coming here.
691
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,560
So they finally had the right
attitude and I was there at a
692
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:04,280
very, a very unique time in it's
in the school's evolution
693
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:11,440
because there was still remnants
and of the spirit and like the
694
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:16,960
original founders of the, of, of
some of the programs, we're
695
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,400
still like alive and still there
and running around the, the, the
696
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,320
school and, and doing open
counseling and stuff.
697
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:29,600
So you know what?
There was still this very, this
698
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:36,960
awesome sense of community where
the the teachers are leading by
699
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:43,160
their example of technique of
leading by their, the way that
700
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,960
they play.
And that's what people are
701
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,520
really going after and spending
a lot of time to learn.
702
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,080
It wasn't and, and now it's kind
of become a little bit more like
703
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,800
everything is multiple choice
questions and there's a whole
704
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,600
lot of reliance on, you know,
like online quizzes and you
705
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,560
know, it's, it's kind of
formulated a little bit much,
706
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,320
you know.
I could have been an early
707
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,520
adopter of that school because
that's one of the ones that I
708
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,160
looked at, and I'm thirteen
years older than you almost.
709
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,080
So yeah, that school was not
just getting started, but it was
710
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:24,040
becoming the school that you
experienced back.
711
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,320
You know, Jennifer Batten went
through there and ended up
712
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,240
playing for Michael Jackson.
And I can't think of everybody
713
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,400
that went through there at the
time, but that is.
714
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,920
One of the places.
That I really wanted to go.
715
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:39,400
Yeah, Jennifer Batten was was on
the one of the boards for for a
716
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,680
while, Like she was there at the
school for one of the years,
717
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,160
like trying to, to direct it,
it, it like it was really
718
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,680
amazing.
Yeah.
719
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:51,280
Like there's the the a lot of
the teachers who who were there,
720
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,680
you know, it's stuck it out for
a a while into the 2000 teens.
721
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:01,040
And some of them are even still
there, and they're still, you
722
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:09,360
know, shaping a lot of great
guitarists to come out of there.
723
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,000
And, you know, for me, I went
through the independent artist
724
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:19,600
program as well that was
centered around giving you a bit
725
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,640
of audio engineering and music
business to get you the sense of
726
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:29,080
how to release your own music.
And that was a very useful
727
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,080
program.
I did it twice, in fact.
728
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,400
Yeah, 'cause.
You can make money with those
729
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,280
skills.
Right, exactly.
730
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,040
And so as well as taking full on
music business class, I also did
731
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,160
the audio engineering program
twice as well.
732
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,600
And so I got to work on the on
the boards they have there and
733
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:50,960
and really get a sense of all of
the different positions in a
734
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,400
studio and knowing how to do all
of them and how they all apply
735
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,520
to the artist.
Because I knew I was going to be
736
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,080
the artist, but I had to be.
I wanted to be the artist that
737
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,720
knew.
Me too.
738
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:05,600
What the expectations of the
other people in the room were,
739
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,120
so that I wasn't.
Super important to me too, Sean.
740
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,080
Yeah, yeah.
Like so that I know who the fuck
741
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,320
I'm even talking to, you know
who to ask the right questions
742
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,520
to so that I get the right
results.
743
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,600
What are drums supposed to sound
like?
744
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,360
What is the bass supposed to
sound like?
745
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,400
Because it's not the same as
when you're in a concert venue,
746
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,320
right?
Those are two different thought
747
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,800
processes.
Studios, A controlled
748
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,000
environment.
What kind of song are we
749
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,080
recording?
Rock.
750
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,920
Country, rap, pop, you know, all
those are different recording
751
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,560
mentality.
So I'm with you man.
752
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,880
That's really cool.
I like where your thought
753
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,120
process was.
Yeah, yeah.
754
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,920
And I even took, you know, live,
live live sound classes multiple
755
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,320
times in multiple different,
with multiple different kinds of
756
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,560
boards.
It was really, really expansive.
757
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,440
I really tried to capture it
from every different aspect that
758
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:02,960
I could so that every single bit
having to do around around music
759
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,360
that was going to be happening
in front of me in the future
760
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,880
because I knew all music was all
I was going to do.
761
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:12,960
I wanted to be able to have
something to do with it, to at
762
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,440
least know a little bit about
it.
763
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:23,400
And eventually, once I graduated
in 2012, I had a temporary
764
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,480
psychotic breakdown.
And eventually, yeah.
765
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,400
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
766
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,640
I think more and more that
people talk about these things,
767
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,680
we find that it's it's much more
common.
768
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,920
For people, we flip it like
that.
769
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,680
But yeah, you know.
No, it's it's much more common
770
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,920
than people and I.
Feel bad saying it because mine
771
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,000
was drug induced and yours was
serving our country I'm sure.
772
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:52,960
Well, yeah, my, my, mine wasn't,
wasn't drug induced, but it was,
773
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,200
yeah.
As a result of not dealing with
774
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,920
the emotions of everything that
was taking my nervous system
775
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:06,880
completely off on a just on a
tangent, you know, so I would be
776
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:12,280
subject to whatever my nervous
system wanted to Take Me Out
777
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,160
into based off of anything that
was going on around me.
778
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:22,240
And when I'm living in Los
Angeles at that time and you
779
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:27,360
know, there's, there's, there's
a whole lot of things that will
780
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:32,200
trigger you, you know, like it's
and that way because I didn't
781
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:33,280
know how to deal with any of
this.
782
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,560
It was just I was just being
taken.
783
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:38,760
And so I could never really
focus on anything.
784
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,520
And my life was just becoming
more and more of a shamble and
785
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,400
less of a journey.
Do you see what I see, Mike?
786
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:49,880
Yeah, I knew.
We're sorry to interrupt.
787
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:54,040
You that was I heard you guys
reference that you guys had a
788
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,080
band named Nemesis.
Well, I have a song named
789
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,320
Nemesis.
Friend of mine, yes.
790
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,200
He's got the evidence right
there.
791
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,040
I like, I like to troll photos,
like where our guests talk,
792
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,760
because it it's just, it shows,
you know, it's.
793
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,520
Visual shows how the universe is
all cohesive.
794
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,280
Yes, look at that full circle
moment.
795
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:15,560
Right.
That's pretty cool, man.
796
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,200
Yeah, Keep talking.
Keep talking.
797
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:19,480
Yeah, you're fine, man.
Yeah.
798
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,960
Sorry to Yeah.
So let's see, where was I?
799
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,880
You were at the end of your
psychotic break, yes?
800
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,120
Oh, right, right.
OK, So yes.
801
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:33,080
So after that happened, I had
some friends reach out to me and
802
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,160
they were like, hey, what are
you doing?
803
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,440
And I'm like, I've been stocking
the streets of Los Angeles for
804
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,840
the last three days.
I don't know where the fuck I'm
805
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:39,800
at.
Come pick me up.
806
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:46,000
Oh, and they were like
eventually talked me into and
807
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,160
you need to start asking for
help.
808
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,720
You can't do this all the time.
This is you're meant for so much
809
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:56,200
more than this.
And because it's so I'm looking
810
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,480
at losing everything and, you
know, eventually, you know, I
811
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:05,080
did and became homeless for a
while in Los Angeles and only
812
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:09,080
for a short period of time was
like really, truly on my own and
813
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,160
and homeless.
And I was lucky because there
814
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:17,160
was a, an inpatient clinic that
I eventually got selected into
815
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,520
once I was in the cycle at the
WLAVA.
816
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,000
And I was selected to go and do
this program that they were
817
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,200
calling FoB Hollywood, which was
an inpatient clinic for veterans
818
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,840
with PTSD, combat veterans.
Everybody in there was, was, had
819
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,280
experienced some kind of combat
experience that was significant
820
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,440
to have them all have a
diagnosis of PTSD.
821
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,880
So everybody in there is going
and fighting the same battles
822
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,760
from some different other form
or another.
823
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,400
We're all fighting the same
battles.
824
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:51,240
And it was in this beginning
that the band still stuck with
825
00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:53,360
me.
They're like, you're going to be
826
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,040
in here.
But you know what?
827
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,880
We're still going to be making
content.
828
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,800
We're still going to try at your
speed whenever you want to, as
829
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,120
much as we can.
We'll do it.
830
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,880
And they stuck with me all the
way and completed our album
831
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:12,280
Antiquate Hate that we were all
ready to release in 2016.
832
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:17,080
We worked with Charlie Wade
Meyer in Los Angeles who
833
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:23,600
recorded it all and we had
George G1 Archie who did the the
834
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,360
final mixing and mastering and
he was the audio engineer for
835
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:32,000
Death Row Records in it's day.
And he he brought a really
836
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:37,840
awesome way to, to make the, the
rap and rock music really mixed
837
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,040
together.
So it's not really relying on
838
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:45,320
that new metal edge, but still
more organically because the,
839
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,440
the, the soul of it is really
connected.
840
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:48,480
And that's what we're going
after.
841
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,600
And I think we accomplished that
with that record.
842
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,400
However, we had a manager at the
time who tried to steal the
843
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,200
record at distribution.
Oh.
844
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,520
Ouch.
It was super fucked up so that
845
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,240
management still had claimed
it's copyright on Spotify and it
846
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:06,360
was really fucking ridiculous
and it took me a long time to
847
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,720
undo it, but once I realized
that's what was going on, I had
848
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:10,600
to kill the whole record.
That sucks.
849
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,200
Five years, everything that I
had gone through, all of that,
850
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,320
that you know, coming from these
are some of the pictures that we
851
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,440
had from it.
They were golden pictures.
852
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,000
Yeah, for the time, yeah, they
were that fucking golden, the
853
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,480
pictures.
He's scrolling through are
854
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,920
amazing.
Yeah, it this, this one is more
855
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,120
recent.
This was taken to the wheelhouse
856
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:29,800
in Colorado.
OK.
857
00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:33,840
But these are these are clear.
We're back in LA during that
858
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,960
time.
Yeah, with the guys there up in
859
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,520
the yeah, up in the corner
there, yeah.
860
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,120
Like whenever they're when,
whenever those Caspers and Alex
861
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,680
are in there, that's that's from
that era.
862
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,560
Cool.
And it was, it was such an an
863
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,720
amazing experience to go through
all of it.
864
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,720
And you know, it's, it really
ended up getting taken from them
865
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:56,320
as much as it was taken from me.
That's awesome.
866
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,040
And after that, they were, both
of them were, were immigrants.
867
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:05,920
And at that time in 20/16/2017,
there was a whole lot of serious
868
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,880
issues with immigrants being in
the United States and with the
869
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,160
music that we're releasing.
Yeah, we didn't like, nobody
870
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:14,720
knew.
So at some point, we had to be
871
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:19,040
like, look, we, their lives were
pulling them apart.
872
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,840
It wasn't just the emotionality
of the of the moment.
873
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,080
It was their lives pulling them
apart, their lives, my life
874
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,440
pulling myself apart with that
let down.
875
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:28,880
I also was going through a
divorce.
876
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,760
I had to leave Los Angeles
entirely.
877
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,520
Like everything was crashing
down horribly in that area.
878
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,960
And it was one of those times
when it's like, man, maybe this
879
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,400
is the end.
Did you write?
880
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,080
I just have to.
Oh yeah, OK, cool.
881
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,040
I wrote a.
Lot the writer, the lyricist did
882
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,160
me.
Did you write, did you write
883
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,800
through all that?
Because I mean, of course, I'm
884
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:53,920
sure, I'm sure there was some
great, great lyrics and songs
885
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,720
and poems and journaling Journal
the Chaos man.
886
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:04,160
Yeah, I still remember
everything very well and draw
887
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,280
from all that stuff.
What I tried to do was put, what
888
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,120
I ended up doing is I left Los
Angeles at that point and I went
889
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,720
to Florida and when I was in
Florida, there's.
890
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,960
A large baseball.
That's a big fucking move, man.
891
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,440
Oh, man, I did it in 38 hours.
I drove like, you guys want some
892
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,600
stories?
That's my fucking stories.
893
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:31,080
All right, So driving from Los
Angeles like for 18 hours
894
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,000
straight lands you in somewhere
around like Katy, TX, right?
895
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,040
And I did the southern route.
That's I think it's through
896
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,240
around where you guys are AT and
you guys may know.
897
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,200
I'm in Arizona, am I from
Pontiac, IL?
898
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,760
I'm in Illinois, yeah.
OK, Yeah, yeah, around around
899
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:49,480
Arizona.
Yeah.
900
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:55,960
So there was, well, maybe I
can't tell the story, but the,
901
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:03,520
the, the idea is that Border
Patrol still has a where they a
902
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,840
spot where they take over the
entire highway in that area,
903
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,600
still do to this day.
And it's very important, Yeah,
904
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,920
it's still, it's still very
important for people to realize
905
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,520
that that's there.
That's what I'll say when you're
906
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,240
travelling in California, OK,
Very.
907
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,080
Important.
Because we're live.
908
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,560
That's well, I'm just be aware.
I'm thinking that, Sean, we got
909
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,600
to have you on a Friday because
Fridays we have unlimited time
910
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,320
because, you know, I miss some
of your story, obviously, from
911
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,760
doing what I had to do with my
my water irrigation.
912
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,200
But yeah, I could see us going
down so many different paths.
913
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:38,240
Just talking to you right now.
Oh yeah, we keep going, keep
914
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:41,880
going for short time.
So, so it gets you around Katy,
915
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,960
TX.
I'll, I'll Fast forward to going
916
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,320
around Katy, TX and there's this
town, I don't know what town it
917
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,520
is, but when I got there, I got
to this Motel 6 after 18 hours
918
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,160
of travel.
I look like hell, but I'm
919
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,360
wearing my A/C DCT shirt and
ripped jeans and, you know,
920
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,560
combat boots.
And when I walk out, this is
921
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,080
like a Sunday.
Everybody's in their khakis and
922
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,760
pastel shirts.
Like everybody is looking like
923
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,880
they're straight out of the
Stepford Wives.
924
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,480
And I'm like, I am going to get
lynched here like this is going
925
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,360
to be bad.
And so I asked the the the
926
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,640
person at the front of the desk
at the Motel 6 who has nose
927
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,320
rings and piercing, you know, it
looks totally goth.
928
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,360
I'm like, is it okay?
Here is like, I'm going to be.
929
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,440
And she's like, Oh yeah, I'm way
worse than you are.
930
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:25,520
You don't need to worry about a
thing.
931
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,920
You'll be fine.
Yeah, OK.
932
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,800
So I went to the barbecue and lo
and behold, everybody's fine
933
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,520
with it.
But I was really scared for a
934
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,680
second there, you know, because
everyone looks so just over the
935
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,560
top together, but that's just
how they look on Sunday, man,
936
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,320
That's Texas.
And that's just weird me the
937
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,640
fuck out.
Like I'd never seen anything
938
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,560
like that, you know?
But that small town, Eastern
939
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,560
Texas for you.
And so from there, I did another
940
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,840
18 hours straight to Tampa from
there.
941
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,880
And it was like, by the time I
got to to Florida and that warm
942
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,320
air is hitting you.
It doesn't matter if you're that
943
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,720
tired and you've, you know,
you're trying to keep yourself
944
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:04,000
awake, that warm air is good.
It doesn't matter if it's
945
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,840
blowing your face, it's still
going to make you want to pass
946
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,280
out.
So after that, I think I slept
947
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,440
for a solid like another 18
hours after that.
948
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,320
It was one of the most intense
Rd. trips I've ever done, but I
949
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,120
absolutely needed to do it.
We're kindred spirits, man.
950
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:20,600
Let's get to where we're going
now.
951
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,600
Yeah, fuck it, we're going.
Yeah, I came back here from
952
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,360
Arizona for a two week vacation
and almost 16 years later I'm
953
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:29,720
still here, so.
Yeah.
954
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,920
That's how I operate as well.
I got to stay.
955
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,080
Yeah.
Well, yeah, for me, I, I had,
956
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,720
you know, I still knew that I
had to deal with the the issues
957
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:47,960
that were still a part of me and
how I got to the place of where
958
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,720
I was without anything that I'd
been working for for the last
959
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:58,280
six or seven years or so.
So I around in Tampa, there's a,
960
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,880
a large baseball community and I
leaned into that.
961
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,080
I, I started playing baseball
more and more.
962
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,640
So, you know, pitching and and
working on all the different
963
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,200
types of pitches that I could
throw, working on my curveball
964
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,840
and my change up and the circle
change and trying to get every
965
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:20,320
different aspect that I could
just get myself not focused on
966
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,840
playing music like I had been,
but to grow into something more
967
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,600
than what I had been because
that's when I needed to.
968
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,080
Be.
Right.
969
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,600
Yeah.
And how and how I did it was I,
970
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:39,440
I took all of everything that I
had and that was going on and
971
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,200
put it into therapy and put it
into baseball and slowly brought
972
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,760
myself back into mixing and
slowly brought myself back into
973
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,600
playing just music whenever I
really felt like I needed to.
974
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,200
So I really started connecting
to it and not like making it
975
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,000
into something that I had to do,
which is kind of what it was
976
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,640
looking at before we were signed
to a sub major of Sony.
977
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,640
And like the the pressure of
that was coming up from this
978
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:09,040
record was, you know, was big.
It was a big deal for us.
979
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,480
But you know, we were expecting
big things from it and it just
980
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,440
turned out to be a big it was
end up getting kneecapped.
981
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,160
From There's a time when there's
a time when you can't say I
982
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:20,960
don't want to play today, you
know?
983
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,280
Yeah.
If you're doing it
984
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,120
professionally, there's no
calling in sick, there's no
985
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,400
saying I'm not going to do that
gig, I'm not going to go to that
986
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:29,920
recording session.
You have to.
987
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:31,800
That's your job.
Right.
988
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,840
And I wanted to avoid that in
myself.
989
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,160
I wanted to not build that
habit.
990
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:41,120
I wanted to give myself the find
the real connection that I have
991
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,680
to it in the growing person that
I was becoming, the learned
992
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,880
person that I was becoming every
day because I'm focusing on
993
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,840
being the eternal student all
the time.
994
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,400
Just to make it fun to keep
learning.
995
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,840
Yeah, so I took the time and I
then I, I wrote and compiled and
996
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,480
recorded Aversion to Normalcy.
But at the IT took me about
997
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,720
three years through the
pandemic, I went to multiple
998
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:07,800
different and and even while
aversion to normalcy was in its
999
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,960
infancy of, you know, just being
tracks that I recorded and mixed
1000
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,800
myself and I still knew they
weren't good enough.
1001
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:19,120
But at this time, I also went on
a an open mic tour.
1002
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,720
That was that's what I call it.
But essentially I drove across
1003
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:27,240
the country again and went to
and stopped at open mikes
1004
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:30,680
whenever I could just to meet as
many different kinds of people I
1005
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,240
could in who are trying to do
the same kind of stuff as me.
1006
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,520
And I ended up meeting some
really, really awesome people
1007
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,920
and seeing some really awesome
music communities across the US.
1008
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:45,440
And it gave me hope to realize
that it's, we may just be feel
1009
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,840
like we're in some kind of
isolated pocket, but there is
1010
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,320
truly when you're around all of
the people who are really going
1011
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,560
after the same thing that you
are, it's really easy to become
1012
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:59,240
inspired and.
It's somebody else went through
1013
00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:01,120
what I went through, Right?
Right.
1014
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:02,440
And vice versa.
Yeah.
1015
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,680
I heard you say it, too.
I went through the same thing,
1016
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,400
just in a different way.
Just to know that you're not
1017
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:11,600
alone in knowing that you lost
your mind, that you were put in
1018
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,080
a position you never intended to
be in it.
1019
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,000
It helps to know that you're not
the only one that's ever been
1020
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:18,680
there.
Right?
1021
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,240
I felt like such a failure that
I pretty much gave up more times
1022
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:24,640
than I'd like to admit.
But I'm still here so.
1023
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,600
Right.
Failure is just learning, you
1024
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,720
know?
Failure is truly if you learn
1025
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:32,840
from it, then truly it's not a
failure.
1026
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,920
Well, I've always told my kids
it's not how you follow, it's
1027
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,200
how you get back up.
Everybody follows, right?
1028
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:38,400
Right.
You know?
1029
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:39,520
Absolutely.
Yeah.
1030
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:41,440
Yeah.
And the more and more that that
1031
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:45,200
instills into this in into
everyone, including the younger
1032
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,400
generation, the better the world
is going to become.
1033
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:51,120
Yep, Yep.
So true, man, so true.
1034
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:57,240
Yeah, so I knew that I had
aversion to normalcy and and
1035
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:04,600
after the working with Plaid Dog
Records to create Instagram hell
1036
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:08,000
and One Last Chance and One Last
Chance is much more of like a
1037
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,920
R&B kind of song that is very,
very different from the majority
1038
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:16,480
of the the quarantine stuff.
But I wanted to create that R&B
1039
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,120
kind of feel like we're using
organ and shit, you know, like
1040
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:24,120
we're, we really get into it,
but we're still using a kind of,
1041
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:33,240
I'm still adapting a, a rock
lick into, into a more R&B kind
1042
00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:35,920
of setting with, with one last
chance.
1043
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,880
For me, it's, it's actually much
more akin to The Beatles than it
1044
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:44,680
is anything else because it's,
it's so I, I highly recommend
1045
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,960
people go and listen to it.
But the newer music that we
1046
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,280
released, Aversions to Normalcy,
is when I decided to take.
1047
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,480
I knew that what I had with
Aversions to Normalcy wasn't
1048
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,840
good enough.
I knew that I didn't meet the
1049
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:03,560
requirement that I needed for
the music to be as good as it
1050
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,120
possibly could be.
I knew that I failed in that.
1051
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,520
But I knew that if I took it to
the right people, they could
1052
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:13,160
make it what it needed to be.
So I took it to Nashville and I
1053
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:18,520
took it to Blackbird Studios and
with Nathan Yarbrough, who has
1054
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:27,200
done albums with Hailstorm,
Evanescence, Alice In Chains,
1055
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:35,040
Korn, like all of the the bands
from like the I was, I was on a
1056
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,680
show and I was like, they're
like, they haven't music hasn't
1057
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,360
really been, you know, haven't
been meaning really good stuff
1058
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,880
since like 2005.
And I'm like, man, all of those
1059
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,600
bands that that need to work
with, they're all putting out
1060
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,360
music.
Yeah, past 2005.
1061
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:48,760
So yeah, there's a ton of good.
Music.
1062
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,800
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, like they, they really,
1063
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,400
and they're really bringing it
like all the time.
1064
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:56,240
Yeah.
Like Lizzy Yale is, is off the
1065
00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:57,800
charts with what she's able to
do.
1066
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,880
It's really, really impressive
just to see her play live, but
1067
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,920
let alone on the records, like
it's, it's awesome.
1068
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:07,640
So I knew that Nathan could
capture everything that I'd be
1069
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,160
trying to put it down because
he's already done it before.
1070
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,120
So when I brought it all to him
and he was ready to go and I'd
1071
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:15,520
already recorded this three or
four times.
1072
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,840
So I get in the studio and he's
like, dude, you're 1, take Jake
1073
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:19,480
all the time.
Damn.
1074
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,160
What?
You know, what the hell is this?
1075
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,080
We had set 4 hours to do
guitars.
1076
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:25,760
You'd knock them out in two.
What the hell is the matter
1077
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,840
with, you know, like, are we
missing anything?
1078
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:29,680
Like what, what's the matter
with me?
1079
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,160
You know?
So it's very fun to to have
1080
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:38,960
these, you know, to really sit
with an expert who knows that
1081
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,760
he's still, because he's still
doing the same eternal student
1082
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,360
kind of mentality that I am.
And it was such a great thing to
1083
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:52,400
to see the place that I was
missing with mixing was really
1084
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,320
just in my mentality and my
approach.
1085
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:55,880
It wasn't the technical
knowledge.
1086
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,240
I wasn't thinking about all of
the different elements of a mix.
1087
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:05,520
And it was so great to see that
I was much closer than I thought
1088
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,880
that I was, you know, But I
still know and know that any
1089
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:14,240
great record that I'm going to
put out, I'm going to use Nathan
1090
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,040
or somebody of his excellence or
better.
1091
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,800
You know, it's, it's got to be
that way so that the quality
1092
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,440
remains that high.
But I'm still going to try and
1093
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,600
I'm still going to be working on
my album Bedroom Ink, which is
1094
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,800
all an album of covers.
But it's something that we that
1095
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,040
we put our own spin on these
different covers.
1096
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,880
And so I'm mixing them myself.
I'm starting to bring them up
1097
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,120
into it, you know, so to, to be
ready to go.
1098
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:40,840
So we've got aversion to
normalcy.
1099
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,640
We did A and once that album
came out, we had a really crazy
1100
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,680
response.
We just crossed a million
1101
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,840
streams where the album as a
whole.
1102
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,560
Congratulations man, that's
amazing, that is.
1103
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:52,520
Thank you.
Thank you.
1104
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,880
Yeah, it, we went through a, a,
you know, a few different
1105
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,680
avenues to try and build up the
streams.
1106
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,560
And what I've, what I've come to
find with these numbers is that
1107
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:06,480
it's more of a reflection of
your marketing efforts and less
1108
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,080
of how good your art really is.
There's a lot of times that
1109
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,680
musicians think that because I
don't have a lot of fans right
1110
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,480
now, that says something about
the value of my art and it truly
1111
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,800
does Not at all, not anymore.
And you really need to stop
1112
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,440
doing that to yourself if you're
doing that to yourself.
1113
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,240
I found that the numbers now a
reflection of the marketing
1114
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,640
efforts that you put into it.
And a lot of times that's
1115
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:32,200
marketing money.
That's why the numbers for these
1116
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:33,880
other artists are so high is
because they have they.
1117
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,000
Spend the money budgets.
Yeah.
1118
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,400
So there are ways in which you
can go about doing it your own
1119
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,960
self, but it's also important to
adjust your expectations when
1120
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,360
you do that.
Because I've done it both I've
1121
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,640
done, I've tried to release a
record on my own and do it on my
1122
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,160
own.
And then I've paid subject
1123
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,080
matter experts to place it and
where it needs to be and to do
1124
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,880
the things that it needs to do
so that the algorithm works.
1125
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,560
Not just what I think should
happen, right?
1126
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,720
Not just how I think it should
look, but what the algorithm
1127
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,160
needs it to look like so that it
gives it to everybody else.
1128
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,600
And when you just sort of.
Take that sort of adjustment to
1129
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,040
it instead of I'm giving up all
my creative freedom.
1130
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,400
Then it becomes a lot more
palatable when the good things
1131
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,760
start happening and then a lot
of people start seeing it.
1132
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,840
So that was a, a fun journey to
go on my own to start realizing
1133
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:26,080
that the, the authenticity that
I have of who I am can transfer
1134
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,440
into this medium of social
media, even though it seems like
1135
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:33,440
it can't or it won't.
I'm not exactly like, you know,
1136
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:35,960
some of the best streamers.
So that obviously means I don't
1137
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:37,800
have a place.
That's not how the shit works
1138
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,560
either.
You can forge your own place
1139
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,560
when you go about doing it the
right way.
1140
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,840
Cuz there's a process to
everything, Sure.
1141
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,280
So once I took that mentality
and with this record has pointed
1142
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:51,720
me and orientated me in that
direction, I've started to open
1143
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:56,600
up a whole bunch of different
avenues to make creation work
1144
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:00,080
for me so that it stimulates the
revenue streams.
1145
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,520
And then when I control all of
the revenue streams, then that
1146
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:07,480
becomes an artist centric
business model instead of the
1147
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:11,240
artist bottom business model,
which is we feed up everything
1148
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:14,320
to everybody up there and they
take our records and they take
1149
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,960
all of the the lion's share and
give us what's left.
1150
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:23,880
So when we control the the
levers of of command,
1151
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:28,760
essentially, yeah, the levers of
power in this way for ourselves,
1152
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,120
yeah, truly in the music
industry, that's when we truly
1153
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,880
become free and independent.
That's fantastic.
1154
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,520
That's cool.
We got to have you back on on a
1155
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,200
Friday, man.
There's I can just tell we could
1156
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,280
talk to you for like 3 hours,
like it's 20 minutes.
1157
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,720
We'll.
Expand on these stories some
1158
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,120
more.
Yeah, we are limited on
1159
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:46,840
Tuesdays.
Yeah.
1160
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,720
So look at tell.
Everybody again, where they what
1161
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,320
your latest releases are?
Yes.
1162
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,520
They can find him.
They can find him on Spotify,
1163
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:58,760
they can find him on all
streaming services, but mainly
1164
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,720
the Spotify 1.
You can find us on the the
1165
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:05,200
quarantine.bandcamp.com.
We're on band camp as well.
1166
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,880
So you can, you know, pay for
the albums there, give us
1167
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:10,360
donations, tips, anything like
that.
1168
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,880
It's all very much appreciated.
And streaming we're on, you
1169
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,440
know, social medias, TikTok,
YouTube, Instagram and Facebook
1170
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:18,920
at.
Yeah.
1171
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,920
And then obviously the
quarantine.com is your website
1172
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,520
and all the social media links
are on your website as well,
1173
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,120
correct?
Yes, absolutely.
1174
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:28,960
Yeah.
And obviously YouTube channel,
1175
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,880
etcetera.
Yes, cool.
1176
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,600
Right on, I found Martin at the
corner.
1177
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:35,680
Are you subscribing?
To all those.
1178
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,160
Right after this, yeah.
We'll get all that subscribed
1179
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,960
and, and give you props and, you
know, and then I'll shoot you an
1180
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,600
e-mail with Fridays and you pick
a Friday that works for you and
1181
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:47,480
we'll we'll get you back on and
go down deeper down the rabbit
1182
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,000
hole of Sean Martin in the
quarantine.
1183
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:51,440
Yeah.
That sounds awesome.
1184
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:52,840
Dude really enjoyed talking to
you brother.
1185
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,480
Yeah.
Thank you so much for having me.
1186
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:55,640
Yeah.
And the parts that I was
1187
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,800
available to, to be present, I
enjoyed it as well.
1188
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,080
I just, I looked at the clock.
Holy shit, it's like that.
1189
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,120
We wrap up every show like this,
which I'm sure I'll appreciate
1190
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:05,480
considering where you've come
from.
1191
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,000
If you're feeling suicidal,
depressed, don't do it.
1192
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,880
Go for a run, go jog, go
journal, go scream in a pillow.
1193
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,440
Go find somebody to talk to you.
If you cannot find somebody to
1194
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,440
talk to you, text 988.
Someone is there waiting to talk
1195
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,000
to you, to help help you change
your mindset, talk you off that
1196
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,000
ledge, get you off that Cliff.
Tomorrow is a much better day
1197
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:23,760
with you in it.
Don't leave a hole in somebody
1198
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,520
else's heart because you decide
to leave the world before you
1199
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,720
should.
For the Chris and Mike show, I'm
1200
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:29,280
Chris.
He's Mike.
1201
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,840
This is Sean Mart of the
quarantine thequarantine.com.
1202
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,280
Go check him out, go buy his
music, go follow him on all his
1203
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:36,960
socials.
We're going to have a back on
1204
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,000
the show go a little deeper dive
into his life resume, which by
1205
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,680
the way, we've just touched on
just a portion of.
1206
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,280
Lost the surface.
It's just, I mean, I'm excited
1207
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,680
to have you back and just have
more of an in depth conversation
1208
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,520
with you because I just imagine
everybody came back to that was
1209
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,280
too short, that was too short
and get him back.
1210
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,960
So I'll get you back,
absolutely.
1211
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:58,080
Yeah, thank you so much for
having.
1212
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,080
Me truly, truly appreciate your
time and again, I'm sorry I had
1213
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,320
to bounce a couple times with,
you know, the damn irrigated
1214
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:03,560
lot.
You have to, you know, be
1215
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:05,360
responsible so you don't flood
your neighbors out.
1216
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,680
God forbid.
It's all good, brother, it's all
1217
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,400
good.
Until next time we'll see you
1218
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:12,560
peace.
Love you brother.
1219
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,120
Peace, love you too man.
Thanks, Sean.
1220
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:16,080
Much love.
