#179 - William Chandler - Author

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1:23 It's not in anything, you know, government conspiracy. Well, maybe, but here you go. So, William, remind our guests who you who you are and and why you've decided to grace yourself with us again on our crazy little show. That's what now 35 countries, Mike. We're still stuck at 30 so. 3030 Come on people, come on. Welcome back, William. Thanks for doing this again. We're looking for you. Very much thanks for having me back new adventures. Man, yeah. Yeah, so, I mean, the last time I talked to you guys, I'd read a novel because I was unemployed, right? And this time around I've written a second novel because I'm still basically unemployed. Oh. And wow. I was hoping you'd be like, I got employed from the novel. I thought that's where we were going. I did too.

2:09 That that would that would be great. But no, basically I guess I'm just going to have to turn this thing into a full time deal. Well, that bummer. Get a right to living. Do something you love. I'm sorry. Exactly. So I'm hoping that I'm hoping that the for a living part actually comes along with comes along with the second book. Yeah, and and you know, it's like kind of a it's a long term game. I mean, most people don't make it overnight. They don't even make it over the first six months to a year. They've written a book now. I've written 2 in 10 mice. I've always heard it's a five year artistic strategy, right? You have to give it at least five years. Hey, let's go with that.

2:52 And, you know, I'll put out and I'll put out my debut album, you know, 35 years after the band form. So I think when it comes to the book, we're actually like ahead of schedule. If I can, if I can make it with that in five years, that'd be awesome. But that's awesome, man. Yeah, and, and, and it's good just to just to see you guys again and and talk to you, talk to you live because I really enjoyed that first experience and. I really want to read your book, William, but I'll tell you everybody I've shown your artwork to that I know would be into that kind of stuff and just said, wow, that looks really cool. You know, you can just see it in their eyes just from your artwork. So good. Great choice on that with leading people like myself who love that kind of stuff. You know, I'm into the fantasy kind of stuff. So you, you have to lead them into it. Like, I never got so misled.

3:40 I think we talked about this last time as to when I bought my first Molly Hatchet record. Right, Right. I was expecting to hear like, Black Sabbath and it was Southern rock, which I'd love dearly, but whoa, hey. It wasn't what? Yeah, I always thought that was kind of a misnomer with their album covers and and the actual music and. And I love that artist. I think it's Frank Frazetta who did those, Yes, and but yeah, A. Friend who knew him personally come to find out it's really cool. My buddy Rob. Shout out to Rob. Yeah, but you would think that you were getting like, you know, Man O War or Sabbath or even something like Megadeth. And I mean do I work school? It's outstanding, and the band backed it up.

4:23 So with your artwork, the last time you were here, you were talking about writing this book, correct? You weren't done with it, if I remember right. So where did pick up Where you left off, I guess, is where Chris was going. For sure, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Sweet. So, you know, and, and I don't know if we had touched on it the first time, but the the entire first book, the idea came from a 4 minute song that I'd read. OK, really. Yeah, and I just, you know, that character kind of in the song, I just saw like a bigger story for him. I saw a bigger kind of a bigger existence for him. And eventually, you know, finally put my fingers on the laptop and and knocked out the book. And I think even before I was 3/4 of the way done with it, I realized that this story also had more of a story.

5:12 So I had started working out an outline and little scenes here and new characters. And before I knew it, the second book was written. And I, I did kind of run into that kind of sophomore jinx the same way that, you know, a band might do. And you know, you have this kind of, you know, it, it, it seemed to be like lightning in a bottle the first time. So the second time was a little bit more labored a little bit more, you know, kind of overthought. And I, I was like, you know, is this even really any good? And so I gave it to some people. And, you know, they may or may not be biased in some instances, but they, I tend to value their opinions because they seem to be objective. And they read it and they're like, we love it. We think this book's great.

5:59 So that kind of made me, you know, breathe out, relax. And I published the second one. I've already got the outline for the third. Well, and I think as an artist, we can all answer this question independently, but yeah, you know when someone's being honest with you, right? And you know when someone's paying your lip service because they don't want to hurt your feelings. Like you said, obviously this is somebody you have a personal relationship with. So I think it's pretty obvious when someone's just saying, yeah, it's good, you know? Yeah, and, and, and these people that I, I did let read it, they, they don't have any problem usually telling me something that might, you know, sting a little or hurt my feelings and, and. To actually get that.

6:42 Yeah, to to get that positive feedback was a good jumping point. I still don't think I'm anywhere kind of near as polished as I need to be. You know, I I kind of write a different way. I write in a different method. I don't sit and lock myself away and write. I just kind of write when I can. So see, I that's how, Yeah. No, but that's how I was when I wrote, when I wrote the books. I wrote my main, my not the grand scale. Yeah, but you have to write when the woman strikes you. If you force yourself to write, it's not going to come out the way you want it to come out. And I think that goes. For any artist, for sure. That's the part that people don't understand is you can't just go, OK, go be a writer and write a great book.

7:27 Go be a great guitar player and become the next Eddie Van Halen, right? Write me the not only, not even that, write me the next hit song. Boy, that's easy, right? Yeah, yeah, that's probably even harder. Even though this this the actual skill set you might not need to be as an accomplished A musician or a vocalist or an instrumentalist. A hit song is just has this weird kind of chemistry to it that that makes it a hit song. And you don't know it's a hit song when you write it like you have no idea. You just write a song because it sounds good to you and your bandmates, you know, So you'll write a story that that you love, that you think this is the this is a great story. This is going to take off. People are going to love this.

8:10 And then you go one or the other way. It's just there's so much luck involved with the creative process and especially the world of entertainers. The timing has to be right in addition to all of that, right? Yeah. Definitely I, I think for, for me, I kind of, you know, write the books the way that I wrote music, which is, you know, I have to get off on it first. Like, first and foremost, I'm writing it in my bedroom or the rehearsal studio for me. Yeah. Not for anyone else. And if they like it, that's just like the huge, the biggest kind of cherry on top bonus that it could be. And I feel the same way about the book. So when I started writing the first one and, you know, you know, friends and family were making suggestions like, you know, you should do this.

8:56 I'm like, that's no, I'm not going to do that. That's usually when I get real quiet and I'm like, OK, I can't tell anybody what I'm doing right now because they don't understand, right? Exactly I so. That, that actually cements it for me, me, William, that I'm on the right track, right? I know what I'm doing now because you're trying to poke holes in my boat and. Yeah, to suggest something a different direction. Yes. Yeah, see. Yeah, yeah, that's it. See, when I wrote The Legend of Charles E Ling, I actually Nikki's in it because I wrote it with her kind of intertwined in it. So I had to have her inject her thoughts and ideas because some of the stuff I was thinking wasn't making sense.

9:39 So it was good for me to have her. Like one of the times we were I wrote it, we were just, we were driving up north for something and I legit had my iPad out and I was, I was typing my note section while she was driving for those two hours. And then I was like, OK, I'm going to do this. And then I would read it to her. So it's kind of fun dynamic of, of her. I talking about my silly idea I had years ago and then kind of, you know, so and she's never read the book. She's like, why would I read the book? I'm in it, You know what I mean? It's like she's she listened to Nemesis every time we rehearse the stuff. But I guarantee if we if we put on ACD, she listened to it once and that would be it because she lived it. So it's, people give her shit that she's never read the book.

10:19 She's like, but I, I, I was with him the whole time he wrote it basically. And, and it's like, I lived part of that life with him anyway, you know, So it's, it's interesting dichotomy when you, when you do have people that they think they're helping them, they're not. And then you have somebody bouncing ideas and, and sharing your thoughts to make it that much better. So it's it's all how you approach it, you know? But two, two movie scenes just popped in my head from that little 30 seconds, and one was Pee Wee Herman. And Pee Wee's Take Adventure. And he was like, I don't have to see it, Dottie. I lived it right. And the other one goes to to the people with suggestions. It reminds me of the the guy in in Amadeus.

11:03 Oh yeah. He's watched such a great movie play and he's such a, you know, a just a brilliant prodigy. And the the guy I think was a king or chancellor or someone, he was like, there's, there's too many notes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's one of my favorite lions, William. That's a great movie too. Tom Holst. Tom Holstein. Right. Tom Holstein. Tom Holstein. Hulstein. Holstein. Great. Yeah, great movie. Great actor, man. Great actor, absolutely. The I think what's funny when it comes to me like writing kind of different. It's a, it's a vampire story. It's going to be a trilogy and, and, and it won't, this guy's story won't go past the third book. That's good. Like, I'm not going to, I'm not going to write 10 books about the same guy.

11:46 Rambo 5. You know what Rambo 7 now like. Yeah, yeah. Rambo's dead man. Exactly. Like there's no way. How do you even get out of bed? How do you know that though, William? Was that just a conscious choice or this is just how you know what's going to happen? Did you mean for that to happen or did it just happen naturally? I, I, I think that when I first got done with the with the first book, I was like, I, I can kind of see it going this much farther. OK. And it just kind of didn't want to stretch it out past its. I didn't want to have kind of a Rambo 7 or a Rocky 7. He's he's fighting at 60 years old and.

12:27 You. Know like Ric Flair is thinking about coming out for a one more match right at 74. I don't. I don't get it, but I don't. Either I don't either, but. So I just kind of pieced it together, just kind of like bit of connect the dots outline in my head of where this guy starts. And this is where I see his finish. And, and when people ask, you know, why is this book different? Because it's a, it's a vampire book. There have been maybe millions of vampire novels, like, and thousands, hundreds a day get published for me. I, I, they, as you know, like what's in it, what makes it different? I think for me, it's what's not in it and what's not in it is coffins and stakes through the heart and like the, the perception that like every single vampire is like a goth androgynous, you know, bisexual, hedonistic vampire.

13:25 Like that's awesome. Like, you know, my guy, he he worries about his phone dying and not being able to charge it because that's his only link to what was a regular world. Yeah, is a phone. And he he worries about, you know, where am I going to? Where am I going to live? Where's, where's my next meal going to come from? Like, what's you know, he's he's got real world problems in a very underworld existence. And that for his book, nothing else is him learning about life after he can't really live it anymore. Yeah. And it's him kind of figuring out everything he already missed out on just by a chance encounter with someone who turns him into this thing he just thought was a, a, a movie myth or a book myth. Yeah, Yeah.

14:20 And and from there, then everything goes different. And then in this second book, and I'll show you the book right here. Nice. All right, I. Love that cover, man. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Thank you. I worked with a a guy in Italy to make that and oh. No shit. Yeah, this dude named Mirko, his, his, you know, his handle is inside the the publishing page of the book. And we would just bounce ideas. I told him what I wanted. I gave him a rough draft, though. I mean really crappy AI put together rough draft. And I was like, I need you to go from here. And I gave him all the details. He gave me one go at it.

15:04 I was like, Nah, OK, good. But I need this moved and this changed. And until we got to the point where we're at and I, I loved it. I think it came out great. I probably will reach out to him for the third one if he's still doing it. And I hope he's still doing it by that point because I already know exactly what that book cover is going to look like. Nice. I knew what these ones were going to look like before they before the finished product and. Who did those? Can we get the book? Can we get the books on Amazon or the book? Yes, OK, yes, So right now the paperback version of both are on Amazon and the ebook version of the first book is on Amazon.

15:47 And then next week or March 2nd, the paperback will go on Barnes and Noble. You can also get both books at a company called Books by Where the author actually gets a little bit more royalty if you buy it through that, but the person purchasing the books has to pay for shipping and handling. Gotcha, so I'm not. So they end up paying more for the book. Oh. And then if they bought it through Amazon, Gotcha. So I'm not going to force anyone to go here and buy this book here just because it gives me a couple more dollars, because really that's all it gives me is a couple more dollars. I was trying to share it but for some reason Riverside is not letting me share my screen.

16:30 So it's it is on there. You have the House of the of the wing God, the paperbacks 1499. You can order it today. You get it, get it in two days and then the hard cover for the haunting is that you? No, I think that's just a. That's a different. Williams they are. OK, so they they'll say there you are. So House of the Black Moon, that's yours. I'm sorry. I I got the I didn't catch the middle initial there. So the House of the Black Moon. That was the first one, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And that's, that's a nice $5 thing on Kindle right there, man. Not, not bad at all. And then and then you have the paperback for 15 bucks. Exactly. And so I kind of did a a little edit job to that first book. And now when you're when you order that one, that is the second edition of the book.

17:19 Some people who might read the first one and the second one, they might not even see the difference and other people would know exactly where I fix something because they were they were quick to point out, hey, you know, you messed up right here. Like you added a letter in this word or you forgot this word and it's, you know, self-publishing that's that's going to happen. You try to try to mitigate those instances when you can. So I went ahead and corrected that a little bit. There it is. Awesome. Thank you for sharing that and. It's like, yeah, you buy, you go write a book, man, Shut up. Exactly. Well said. Right, but the the second book, it takes this guy's story and if you thought that he was. Am I?

18:05 Am I sharing the first book, William? No, that's the second book. OK, I just want to make sure I'm sharing the right book. Yeah, yeah, that's the second one. And feel free to share the first one because I've been real honest with people online and on social media. What's the title of the first one? House of the Black Moon. Or if you just type in William, William X Chandler, then you'll pull up his his books exactly. There you go. Now click on the click on the book Mike and see what happens. So I think it'll bring there you go. It brings it more up into the screen like that. Right, and that should be I think that's the Kindle version. Yep. The the the paperback of the 1st edition is unpublished. So if you try to buy that, it should give you the second edition.

18:53 I don't. I don't know the the weird kind of insurance and outs of that because when I go on to the author page and do the edits and, and have a book published, it'll show me that the first edition of the paperback is unpublished and it shows me the second edition. So I'm hoping that that's what it tells the person trying to buy it then, you know, so we'll see. But if this guy thought his world was small and got bigger as he moved across the American Southwest, in the second book he travels way out of his comfort zone and he hits 2 spots in Europe that take up basically the entire book.

19:36 Well, and Europe is, is is the home of the vampires, right? That's where they all started. Yeah. And, and, you know, depending on your vampire historian, right, they'll tell you it was in this place or No, it was in this place. And, you know, of course, Dracula is kind of in the Transylvania part of Romania, right. And but of course, I mean, he wasn't, that wasn't even the first vampire novel or a vampire story. And what's funny about the character in my books is that, you know, all he has to go on is. You know, Dracula and Blade and and vampire movies that he didn't even, he didn't realize that he probably would have had to pay more attention to until he became one. And then after he does become one, he realizes it doesn't matter anyway because everything he learned in those movies isn't true or real at all.

20:31 Because my mythology of the vampire is completely different, and it's almost like dispelling what you think you know about something. But that's why it's an interesting twist, right? It's not going to go into a thinking, you know, it's kind of like they put out Nosferatu last year, right? Another remake of it. It's like, it's like, okay, really again, like, come on. Yeah, come on, man. Like, you know, and it's no matter how you spin it, it's the same story. You have to. Do something like Abe Lincoln Vampire Killer. Right. Like Abe Lincoln was a vampire. Like like who would have thought that Because I didn't read that in historically books. But when the documentary came out, I'm like, holy shit, he killed vampires. It's still like, you know, it's the greatest thing. I.

21:14 Saw it. I went and I saw it with my own eyes. Chris Donald was telling the truth. Abe Lincoln killed. Vampires. Yeah, that should be in his presidential library. Like they're Where's the wall? They should have a wall. Dedicated to that. Right, because, you know, it's part of our history. It's part of the legacy of Lincoln, man, It's like how many how many presidents are that badass? You know that they can go kill vampires. I don't think people realize that. So you have to, when you, when you see these documentaries, man, you have to really like wrap your head around like #1 how they got all the cinematography and stuff back then is amazing, right? Exactly. Like that's really awesome. Cinematography. Right, but that goes back to the trend the, the, the, the time travel, you know, and, and that actually exists because, you know, you see pictures with people with cell phones in the 1900s. Well, how is that possible?

22:01 How do they film Lincoln killing vampires? It's, you know. Have you seen like that famous, that famous picture of like a guy? It looks like he's holding basically an iPhone. I'm so glad you brought that up. Yeah. Yes. How do you explain that? Yeah. I don't know. And nowadays, I mean nowadays. Nowadays you could. Do it right, it would be so quick. Exactly. That picture has been around for what, over a decade? That's. The problem? Yeah, that's weird. Now, someone should have their old VHS tape of where they taped that pay-per-view fight and see if they can find that dude, right? And then we would dispel the myth, you know, forever. But yeah, it's it's, it's very, very odd. I wish I could think of the guy's name. Rogan has him on a lot.

22:50 He debunks a lot of this stuff that people believe as fact. Right. Damn, I thought. If I was on this. Tip of my tongue. If I could round up all the Bigfoot videos. Oh yeah, just. Throw them all. Collectively in the trash. That's the one I want to believe in the most. Really. And I don't, I just not, not nowadays, that's. The one I want to be real the most, I guess. I don't know, yeah. It's funny with those because it's like they all followed this kind of this one pattern. You got the guys just filming trees for no reason whatsoever, right? And then in the distance, they see something that may or may not be a humongous furry animal.

23:33 Well, like a lot, a lot of people don't know that that famous Patterson footage, that guy was a con man. He actually went to jail for not returning or not paying for the actual camera that he filmed the footage with to begin with. And oh wow, you know, he was, he rented the gorilla suit or whatever. And that's all been debunked a million times. And and you still have just a shit load of people that will never think that's not a real video. And they give you all the reasons why it's a female Bigfoot. People are. Adorable.

24:14 I I used to believe in everything. I've been down the conspiracy almost every conspiracy room. Or just in like every kind of supernatural kind of mythical like Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, yeah, aliens abducting people and. I still think aliens abduct people. I still think that's legit. I don't think that. I think those people are, I think those people are suffering from some kind of. Well, remember the IT went down in Arizona years and years ago like and, and, and I was there. They were, they were straight up like lumberjack, like worker type guys that were not. Oh, you're talking about the old one. Like fire in the sky. Fire in the sky. Yeah, yes. Like that shit that to me that you just, you can't make that stuff up.

25:00 I don't think to the level that they could describe in detail like, so I think it happens on some level. I don't think it's I, I mean, I think there's aliens and shit more than we think because, you know, the government hides shit from everybody for so long. And now it's kind of, you know, everything's coming full circle now. But because we're so desensitized, nobody gives you a shit. The internet's ruined us all. Where? Where you know where are you at on the moon landing? Will you? Yeah. I I don't have any reason to not believe that I. Agree. Do you believe that they fake the footage? I want to believe that. Like, I think that we went to the moon. I don't think any of that footage is real. Oh I see, so it could be both. Both can be true. Yeah, You know, they hired Stanley Kubrick to do a lot of the behind the scenes.

25:47 They kind of, they needed B roll kind of stuff. I I'm not sure that the B roll was B roll. I think it was all A roll because how do you make it through the Van Allen radiation belt? They Kodak claims they didn't make any kind of special film or you know, NASA always said we had special film and a special case and. And you know, like, how do you make special film when you have no idea if it's going to survive or not? And I'm sure there's people are going to be slamming me on this going, no, dude, you're totally wrong and here's why. And I don't know all the details, but I really believe in my heart of hearts that they went there because then there's too many people that were involved that would have had to have kept that secret for way too long. And people have big mouths, right? And they brought stuff back.

26:30 It's, I mean they bought. Some of the stuff that they claimed that they brought back was proven to be bullshit. Like they gave a moon rock to. You can Google who it was. A president gave a moon rock to another president and that that president had it tested and it was. Dread upon it. Yeah, they got it in like next to Chris over there. Death Valley. Wow, OK. So yeah, some of that stuff's been proven to be bullshit. Yeah, got it. I'm glad you said Death Valley because there's and I'm going to veer back to the book. There's an actual section, there's two chapters where they're in Death Valley.

27:10 Oh, right on. Can't be on and and I can't believe I didn't mention this before the the the first time. There's one or two chapters where he's actually going through Glendale, AZ. Oh, I lived there for quite some time. You did. That's where we had band practice. I would drive an hour, an hour to go to band practice. I remember doing the 45 minutes to band practice all across, you know, across the Metroplex. But yeah, like this Guy Davis, he starts off in Abilene, TX. Now. I don't know if Abilene nemesis. Ever played Abilene, TX? We don't play Abilene. There's and you and a million other bands did not ever play Abilene, but Nope.

27:53 And I know some on their behalf. That place has grown, just like a lot of Texas. It's what used to be kind of middle of nowhere country has grown into, you know, almost big cities now. And so so I'm not going to trash them at all because I, you know, I placed my character in that city. That's quite. But I just kind of followed this map where he would follow this band because he's he's not, he's not looking to be a groupie. He's looking. So, OK, so, so we're on this topic right here. So what's your what's your feeling of Garth Brooks being a serial killer and killing women every place he goes on tour because there's a conspiracy that women disappear? Are you?

28:36 During Garth. Brooks, No, you haven't heard this. I've never talked about it. Yeah, there's women. There's women that always disappear during his wherever he goes It's but they think about it. A roadie would be one of the greatest serial killer opportunities of all time because he's in a different city night after night after night. Night after night, yeah, and just. Like a truck driver. Right. And it's like, yeah, so you, you know, you grab a chick and, you know, do your deed and then, you know, I don't know, dispose the body somewhere. Then you're off to the next city. And roadies are, you know, they're, they're you don't, they're invisible. You don't see them. Their entire life is invisible. Right. No one cares about those guys. They don't know those guys. You know, a few Rd. crews have, you know, risen to this kind of notoriety like Panteras Rd.

29:22 crew, but. People still don't know. You couldn't name 1 member of it. You know, they're, they're just at work every day. I just want people to know we are not disparaging roadies. We're not anyway. We're just saying you're the behind. I like, we love behind the scene guys. Yeah, I'd love to have a roadie come on the show and tell us how things work and how absolutely the stuff that's involved with setting a stage. All we're saying is you guys get to be invisible in the coolest part, in the coolest environment ever, all the time. Yeah. Imagine and how. Is Roadie just always thought that about? I always thought that about the the actual musicians. Like, I had an idea for that same kind of story that, you know, people claim about Greth Brooks when I was a teenager. I was like, what if this Rockstar, you know, just goes from town to town killing? And it in that book, one of the reasons is a vampire tells my guy, you know, the reason I picked you, the reason I pick everyone and no one even cares about them a week later is because they're they're basically the losers of this world.

30:22 And no one's going to remember them after they're gone. And she's like, I'm sorry, you got turned into a vampire. The event was supposed to be that I fed on you. You were my meal. And then that was the end of you. And she's like, my, my bad for, you know, for what happened instead. And yeah, hijinks and Sue. Kind of like Interview the Vampire when when one of them turns that little girl Kirsten Dunn's character. What? Have you done? What have you done? You needed a playmate. Here's a playmate. Exactly. Yeah, it's not. It's not really apples to apples. No, of course not. You know, it's. Yeah. And then and then you realize that later, like she's stuck at that age for the for the rest of eternity until she gets burned up in the fire or the sun.

31:08 Yeah, that would that would be the most just annoying thing. You know, you're 468 years old and you have a body of a 12 year old. Yeah, that would be. Actually, she was younger, I think. Yeah, she was younger. She had played with dolls and shit, so that would just. Yeah, that would at. Least at least make me legal age man. You turn me at least I get 18 in a day then turn me well. Over 21 preferably. Well, yeah, but you know, I mean to be turned it like 7 or 8, which is absolutely. No, I'm with you. That would be hell. Yeah, Did you guys ever watch True Blood? Oh. Yes. Loved it. Yes. So did you know there's the redhead teenager on that show? Yep. She gets turned and then she loses her virginity, right? And the very next time that she has sex, she loses her virginity, right?

31:57 Right. And the very next time, because it grows. Back. That would also suck. And so she is so pissed off that this is going to happen every single time with a guy that she's in love with. Yeah. That. I mean, I think it almost makes her want to kill herself right then and there. Yeah. And kill the guy, yeah. You know, which is another horrible part about being a woman. It's like, you know, our first time is just as good as every other time after that. Yeah, and they have to go. Through this horrible one time or. It's one kind of maybe horrible to my wife have where she's like, you know, I believe in God and I love God. She's like, but I don't know if he loves women. She's like, because this sucks and it sucks to be a woman and I'm like.

32:46 I'm going through this thing. We're, we're, we're Nikki and I've been married, well, you know, 30 years. And, and so we're, we're going to have our marriage blessed in the Catholic Church because he has a Catholic. We've been living in sin for 30 years, which I just think is funny, right? But I was going somewhere with that, that tied to with that. Oh, so, so everything that we go these two classes on Tuesday nights and, and when they start talking about different things, it's always Eve's fault. Always, it's always Eve's fault because had it not been for Eve tempting Adam, none of this would happen. The original sin wouldn't exist. It's all Eve's faults. When it comes down to it, God's a chauvinist and he's like, it's the woman's fault. I have to blame somebody.

33:27 So he he made a woman to blame her. So your wife's not wrong at all. I totally see that line. I agree with. That yeah, yeah. I mean, then they kind of get a bad rap throughout the Bible. Totally. Yeah, totally. You know from. From the very first woman. Yeah, all the way down. A lot of blame and. And I'm the kind of guy that looks up and says, you know, you designed this shit. Right. Yeah. So it's that whole thing. Well, you know, you're you're this, this, this. Well, I'm I'm he's I made in his image. You made it like I'd say if there's flaws. OK, well, he's flawed because I'm flawed.

34:10 Yeah. It's crazy just throwing it out. There, I'm trying to see so many, I'm trying to reach out and, and get so much more knowledge and information about religion and Christianity than I've ever had in my entire life. But I mean, it's, it's hard. I just had this conversation with my mother over lunch and not in depth or deeper. You know, we, we view a lot of things the same ways and obviously we're two different people, so we have different views on things. But I, I just, there's certain things that don't make sense. And I have to, you know, Kirsten, I've talked about it 100 times. For me to be happy, I have to just believe what I believe and I don't, I don't know what's right and what's wrong.

34:56 So you know, I just want everybody to understand when we're talking about this for sure. These are our opinions. You know, there's a million ways to look at it. Whatever you do to make you happy, do that, right? As long as it's not hurting anybody else. I always have to throw that out there cuz there's crazy fucking people. Yeah, I've always tried to, to live by the kind of the philosophy that you can do and be anything you want in this world or in this country at least. Yeah, as long as you're not hurting yourself and you're not hurting others. And I personally try to just now, especially, especially nowadays, I'm a little bit kinder. So I want to be, I want to be a reflection of kindness and love and respect for people.

35:48 And I'm not. I've never been religious, but it was Christmas Eve. I actually prayed, you know, to to what I don't know. Yeah. And since that day, I've had this kind of peace and I came up with this mantra that I repeat almost daily to myself and that's I will not be consumed by the darkness. I will be the light that defeats, devours and destroys the darkness. Sounds like a vampire. Right, right. I like that though. That is cool though. That's cool. I like it. Thanks. My main goal is the same William, is to be kind to people. You know, Chris wears that shirt a lot. Be kind.

36:31 That is my mantra because I became a horrible person for a while and I was super negative and my way or the highway bullshit and all that is so ridiculous. You know, it's like I believe that somehow we're all connected. We're a high of mind. We just don't know it. We're just like the bees, but we just don't. They understand it. They work swimmingly together and we try to push ourselves apart all the time, right? We don't understand that we're all energy, we're all connected somehow. We're humming along at a frequency. We're spending a bit, whatever it is, 60, some 1000 miles an hour hurtling through space on a spaceship, but you think you're standing on a flat surface. You know, it's people don't look up anymore. It's like there's space out there. There's a whole universe.

37:16 It's like, and we're quibbling over not us, but us as human beings are quibbling over who's right and wrong about the creator. That nobody even. It's just we're like rats in a case sometimes. It's just, it's faith, it's blind faith. Yeah, that we're. Just that's every religion. There's three. So we talked about this last. I need some proof of something. I I pulled this clip up. William Ricky Gervais talking about he's an atheist, right? And he's like, he's like, so there's 3000 gods in all of the world. There's 3000 gods. If you look at all the different countries different. I mean, just at the end of the day, there's 3000 gods. So he's like, I just don't believe in one of your gods, so. He says I believe in one less than you do.

37:57 I believe in one less than you do. That's that makes me an atheist. Yeah, right. But that's the thing. I mean, think about it. The Native Americans nothing but love, but historically, like all the gods, they have the, the wind and fire and rain and, and the spirits, their spirits, which is cool, but that's still like I, I kind of like that kind of thing, like the whole spirit world, like young guns, you know when they took the peyote and they're riding the. Horses. Why can't they? I want to know what where the. Spirit world asshole. They can't see us. I've seen that world a million times and I want to know what? Not a million, more like 5 or 10, but sure. I want to know what that is more than I want to know what anything. There's somebody behind you. I don't want you. I yeah, it's the the ghost.

38:41 Tom, Jude. No, no, we, we did this one of the first time we did this show, somebody walked behind me and and this is my job. Yeah, Mike's job is to because I'm in. I could have been killed. I have my thing face to my Usually you can see my other window. So then you can see somebody go. So yeah, it's it's Mike's job to like, hey dude, there's somebody behind you. So that way I don't get, you know, I don't get it. Because, you know, we're so popular that, you know, I could be assassinated on the show. You know, we're starting to get hate. We're starting to get hate keyboard. Words you know, you know. Which is cool. No, it's fantastic. It's great because that we're doing something. So I'm just like, thank you for your, thank you for watching and listening.

39:21 Have a wonderful day. Like they'll slam us for something like thank you, a wonderful day, which is going to drive nuts. And, and I know when I comment or post on like one of my community groups, you know, on Facebook or whatnot, that that eventually I'm going to, I've already had a few kind of like almost smart ass comments on something I've said. Kill them with kindness if you're going to comment. Yeah, and I'm waiting for the the day where someone just really unloads on me and then we'll see. We're more on. If I if I actually have matured and I and I actually have become a better person because I think I have, I have, but you, you never know until you're in a challenging situation.

40:04 One thing I do know that's different about me and if you go to my website, I don't know if you were able to check out the website before this session. It's the D William xavier.com. Can you not pull stuff up, Chris? I can't, OK. It's not. I wrote a blog where I talked about how I spent most of my life being selfish. Oh, OK. And and how selfishness, you know, in and of itself isn't altogether bad, but I definitely carried the most negative aspects of it through my life and in my heart for a long time. And I realized I was becoming different once I had a yeah, right there. If you look at the blog, if you click on blog, you'll see that 1A charitable heart.

40:53 Yeah, finally. And. Nice dude. Thanks. Becoming a husband 1st and then a father definitely took away a lot of that selfishness for me. Yeah, but it was when I decided to write a book and, and to actually publish it, it was like a no brainer for me to say that I'm going to always donate at least 10% of my royalties from each and every book to a specific charity. Cool. So for for House of the Black Moon, it's Blood Cancer United that I got involved with through in through work. Go back to the home employer not to interrupt you.

41:33 Go back to the home page. I can scroll. Keep scrolling down. It's pretty interesting what you see there. Keep going. Hey, those guys look familiar. Hey, those are two morons. There's one moron almost like you 2 morons. That's what they that's what they told us on Facebook. So, yeah, and if you can click on learn more, you'll see what what I what I wrote about you guys and. Oh, right on. I think it's. Pretty positive. Yeah. And so thank you. Yeah. With that first book, I'm donating to Blood Cancer United. With this second book, cool. 10% of every book sale is going to go to Make a Wish Foundation. Oh. Right on. And I think the 20 years ago me wouldn't have even that would have been a thought in my mind.

42:21 Right. And now it's like not a thought in my mind to, to try to give back. Yeah. And, and, and right now, like I have nothing to give back, like almost $0.00. But I'm going to make sure that any money that comes from this, this labor of Love Actually gets filtered in, filtered out through love as well. So cool. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see how it works out with this and how much I can actually donate, you know? Yeah, that's awesome, dude. Thanks man, and I'm. Probably the hardest lesson I learned was when I was a little kid, you know, and I would want to be revengeful or, you know, my temper would get the better of me.

43:09 And I'm talking like when I'm a teenager, my Grammy told me something that took me a long time to put into practice, she said. When someone's disrespecting you, kill him with kindness. Yeah, they hate that shit and then smile. That's. Why? That's why I replied the way I did to the guys on our on our page, because a year, you know, two years ago, I'd be like, fuck you, man. I would have started the fight. And I'm like, she's right, though. I'm like, where do like you defuse? You take all their power away because they want to fight with like Chris just said. If you start going fuck you and fuck him, fuck that, you know, then that's what happens. Then tempers flare, you rage out of control and nothing gets solved. If we just end it right here with you know, that's your opinion and I have mine. I hope you have a wonderful day.

43:51 Right. And what are they going to say? Yeah, exactly. With this, you know, online rage bait kind of society we live in now, like the Chris going off like that is exactly what someone wants. And. Like and to to be able to kill him with kindness like that is, I think, you know, the ultimate fight ender, but also being like the the better man at the same time. We talked last time and you would, I forgot what it was you said. But then you, you, you apologize. You're like, I need to let you know, like I don't have a filter and you know, and some, you know, some people don't like me and blah, blah, blah. And I can't even imagine what that would have been. I wanted to circle back to that because I used to not have a filter either.

44:49 And my wife still thinks that I could definitely use a much stronger muzzle on my mouth, especially around the kids. Because we, we, I mean, for the longest time, we were so good about what we said in front of them and, and how we acted in front of them. And as they've gotten older and been, you know, corrupted by their little asshole friends at school, they have, you know, they've basically learned to be the no filter little versions of me. And I have to not join in on that because I, I know what it feels like and it feels good to be able to just spew it out. Yeah. And I have to try to rein myself in as to not further corrupt them.

45:34 But the teenagers nowadays are so much more advanced when it comes to what they what they've been exposed to and what they know that. We didn't have the Internet. We had to go search if we wanted to know things. Like we've talked about this on this podcast, like when I first moved to Phoenix, if you wanted to know what a porn movie was, you had to go to a store and face someone and give them money and they gave you a movie, right? You had to make that commitment. You got in your car, you drove there, you went to a building with no windows and, you know, greasy fucking well, unless you're Matt Farrell and then it was the hottest chick in the world in a wheelchair.

46:15 But right in my case, it was a greasy fat dude behind the counter eating Doritos and drinking Mountain Dew out of a 2 liter bottle. You know what do you need? Look, I just want to buy this movie and go. Fucking kill. It would be possible that we went to the same exact store. But nowadays I can get on curiously for you guys, because that never happened to me. Dude, that's never been my jam. I'm sorry you missed out on this opportunity because there's it's a very romantic. But it's OK after it's all. Said and done well. And kids my age, you know when I. Took me to the Peep Show. Sorry to interrupt you. So I told you they do the Peep Show. You told me that? Yeah. I was like, don't ever. Take their age fucking place.

46:56 I hope that someone's dad had, you know, a stack of magazines or a stack of videos. Yes, right, right, right. There was this or this weird kind of like, like almost the light shining down when you found something like in an alley or in the in the park in the forest. They are paced literally down by the river. Down by the river. But they actually have all this just I mean. At their fingertips now. At their fingertips and and by the time they've even made it out of elementary school, they know they know everything and. You know what the sad part is is they find a lot of it by accident because they type in. I'm trying to think of a phrase that would lead you to. Porn Skyler when she was When Skyler was a kid she typed in something for Britney Spears and and boom porn like. Full, full.

47:46 Hardcore, you know, stuff. I'm like what the hell is that type thing and she's freaking out. It is, but I mean, my wife's a teacher and you'd be shocked if I told you to grade level and what they already know it. There's there's. I wouldn't because I'm right there. Yeah, it's it's, it's everywhere. The stuff that that that grade level does right is mind is mind boggling stuff that you all three of us would never even thought of until we got it. Like middle, mid, sophomore, junior in high school. If that for sure, yeah. Yeah, it's, it's it's. That just trips me out. Oh, big time. And the and the thing that sucks about it is if you're not open with your children about the birds and the bees, let's call it, then that's where they go. Yeah.

48:31 You know, instead of come to their. Virgin, right? Instead of open and explaining and making sure they understand how to how to like my son when he was young, I caught him on YouTube and I reeled him back. I'm like hey dude, I thought this was great. Is this the type of woman you want to bring home to meet your mother? But it, it, it made him understand there's, there's, I mean, that's part of life on some levels, but the other side of life is respect and, and, and the love and the beauty of love and finding that connection. You know, our kids struggle because Nick and I have such a great relationship. We've been together for so long.

49:14 They were so obvious and transparent with everything with them that it's it's hard to find that now. Skyler luckily found found her husband. They then on an app, which is cool and two years long distance. They live, you know, an hour, 45 minutes apart from each other and they made it work. And here they are now with with their their son Trip. And then they've taken Michael's taken Anthony as his own and you know, it's awesome. But Jake is a guy. So he's stuck in that app world where it's just all girls want to do is get laid. Right. Where did I don't know. What the fuck was that out loud? But. You know what I mean? It's just you can't you, you just don't have that anymore that we had growing up. Like when I first met Nikki, it was I, I was, I opened a door to a group home I was going to do some stuff for and there she was on the chair.

50:03 You know, it wasn't, it was before the Internet, all kind of shit. And then I had to have the balls to ask her out. And then she blew me off for two months, you know, and so it's that kind of thing. You don't have that anymore in the world today. Every of these texts and and emails, they won't pick up the phone. And it's just, it's sad. It's sad for the future of relations. You don't have that internal connection anymore. You don't have that intimate connection because you just like this. We're we're on three different places in the world right now. Exactly. You know, I mean, this is as transparent as you can get, but if we're in a room together, the reactions will be different, the conversation will be different, the flow, it will be different. You know, laughter would be, you know what I mean? So there's good things and bad things would come. Technology. That's my soapbox.

50:44 I'm sorry. Squirrel, squirrel, squirrel. No, That's why we're here. But no, you hit it on the head. There are good things and bad things about technology, and sometimes the pluses seem to outweigh the minuses and sometimes they don't. Like I can't, I can't go on the Internet without thinking that 90% of the videos and photos I look at are actually fake. They. Are. Yeah, but they're not real. Yeah, I know. That sucks. That part's starting to suck something. Yes, it is. It is, yeah. And and yeah. What's what's more sad about that is the number of people who actually believe that they're real. Right. And with it, without doing, you know, just a damn bit of common sense and research, right? And reading and just.

51:31 Read underneath the picture. Read because it tells you. The three of us affectionately forward thinkers, right? So I put people in categories of human beings. We would be in a category of human being that I would call a forward thinker. We're a dying breed. Yeah. Oh yeah. People are easily LED man. Just if you believe that James Hetfield had a conversation with Donald, that's one I read recently that James Hetfield recently had a conversation with Donald Trump. Maybe he did. But then what it said underneath, it was like, no, that conversation, never. Happened. That's the thing that they do. They post something and then you think, but then you go to the very bottom line and in and in this scenario, it would be great if this actually happened, but people don't go all the way down and read it.

52:16 They just see the picture and boom, we had a guy who slam us on one of our things that that had filled one of the songs. Fade the Black's not about suicide. We sat here and watched the clip on YouTube. I heard the story 100 times from the man himself saying all our equipment got stolen right before either their first major gig on Megaforce Records or it was a travesty. And he said all I wanted to do was slit my wrist or throat or whatever. Yeah, it's totally about because he reached the pinnacle of where he wanted to be and they went to the the van or the trailer and all their shit was gone and they're like, aw, man. Can you imagine if that was actually the pinnacle of Metallica?

52:59 And at that moment, 1980 it was. 1984 right before Ride the Lightning. Yep, he he probably thought there's no way we'll ever get bigger than this. Of course. How we get to release a second album? I've heard him say on a year and a half and everybody that's watched it, he said we're five or four of the luckiest guys that ever lived. We just never gave up. This could be you too, right? Yeah. There's nothing special about us. We're individually, we're not that great of musicians. I've heard him say that. But collectively, when you put us in a room, something magical happens. And I believe him to some extent, but he is like. You got to be. Humble man is the best. Rhythm guitar player for that kind of music, him and Dave. I'll give Dave credit too, because Dave invented those spider cords that we all still use today, right? Here's how to move quickly from one chord to the next. You know, you just bump your finger up one. Nobody would have thought of that till he did. So I give them both credit.

54:00 I think those guys are 1A and 1B for sure. And, and, and James kind of focused more on the vocals and Dave focused more on the just the intricate and complex riffs. Because, and I'm going to agree with you there, and I'm also going to say that Metallica focused more on having a little bit of a swing to their music where it wasn't just. Yeah, because Lars is not a good enough drummer to do what Nick Menza did, right. Nick Menza was a human metronome. Lars plays by the seat of his pants. And love him or hate him, Metallica would not be that band, and they would have never done what they did if anybody else sat behind that drum kit.

54:41 Exactly. It's just the chemistry that those four guys have together and, you know, they've been lucky to have it with the guys that came after Cliff Burton and just, I mean, I you, you don't have metal as it exists without, you know, Sabbath, Metallica, and I'd say Pantera. No. And I'd use myself and you and Chris as an educated party because we were those people. We played with people that meant that much to us. And we understand that chemistry without him fronting our band, without Scott playing the Drones, without, you know, he wants to be called William now. I always want to call him Rick. Without William playing. Those four guys made that band right. We were in the same boat.

55:26 I'm an average to good guitar player at best. I'm not breaking any new ground. I just want to be a good songwriter. That was always my goal, right? I don't really care about playing other people's music. That's not my stick. Me either. I love writing my own stuff, I love having my own style. And you know, Chris gives me the compliment. I would never said this out loud, but basically when we started that band, the whole sound of that part of the valley started to change. It just did. When I got there in 1993, the Gin Blossoms were the biggest thing going. They had just played on David Letterman. I love that band. They wrote a lot of great songs. And unfortunately their guitar player Slash Songwriter was a horrible drug addict of or alcoholic or something, I think both maybe.

56:15 And they had to let him go and after that they couldn't write another song. He was the vehicle that made that. That's why the Gin Blossoms just. Heat it out right away. I wish I remember they had that guy's name. I remember they had a song on the that 1993 Kiss tribute album Think they did Christine 16. You're right on that album. Good memory, Damn. Thanks and but don't come right I'm I feel exactly the same way you do when it comes to my own guitar and and songwriting. I never really felt the need or the even the desire to learn other people's songs. And I don't begrudge anybody for doing that.

56:55 I've always feel the need to explain myself. But like we had Don on and he said, hey, play us some whatever. And you know, Chris will defend me all the time. He's like, he's not that kind of guitar player, you know, Right. It was important for me to have my own voice, and as a young, inexperienced, very nervous, not very confident guitar player, I didn't want to be influenced by other people either, right? I felt like if I'd learned all these songs that I would sound like George Lynch or sound like Eddie Van Halen or, you know, that's how little confidence I had in my own songwriting ability at the time. Right. And I What's funny though is you know, some now, you know, 30 something years since I first started playing guitar, when I actually have learned either a bit of a song or a solo or something like that.

57:47 Those just the learning of those songs. So those sections kind of help add little, you know, now new little tools. I'm glad, Guitar Toolbox. I was thinking about it backwards back then, right? All it would have done was add to my ability to steal from, you know, like you said, little tidbits. Oh, I didn't know if I did a trill right there, it would end out the measure. And, you know, I don't just have to hold one note. I can go like one and two and three, or, you know, three and four and one or you know. I think learning how to play on your own and with your own songs helps you kind of get to your own sound years before another guitarist might get to that sound because they are playing, you know, what's popular, what the standards are, what the what they're expected to learn how to play.

58:41 Yeah, see, now you made my argument in reverse. Now, now, we did it the right way, right? And and I agree. With your statement I do. Yeah, yeah. But just like the technology statement, there's there's good sides to it and there's bad sides to it. Right when I want to say that there's a bad side, Chris just said something that warmed my heart the other day. He's like, I'm so glad that I get to hang out with you a couple times a week again. I couldn't agree with him more, man. It's like, yeah, it's it's changed my life for the better, right? It's somebody that meant something to me on a level that nobody else will because we shared a stage together, We wrote songs together, right? Super intimate, super humble, super vulnerable, All the words that were right to make a perfect friendship and partnership, right? Yeah.

59:26 You can't recreate those things. So to have done this now, I think you're one 79179 times. Yeah. That's sweet. I've learned so much. He's learned so much. We've gotten to meet great English there, Mike. We've gotten to me. We, we've had the pleasure of meeting people like yourself, producers like he's done just such an amazing job at bringing people on here that I would have never thought I would have gotten to talk to. Right. So do you kind of see exactly like the skill set or the comfortability now? On like 179 shows in as opposed to like the first couple. Has it changed at all or?

1:00:09 With me for sure go back and listen to the first couple as he's trying to get me to actually talk and be a normal human being right, right. He did this on the radio. This was nothing to him, right? And I? Knew. Yeah, yeah. And again, because who I am extraordinaire it was. Even if he had never been on the radio, I know it would be easy because he fronted a heavy. He fronted a rock'n'roll band for. Long, right? Yeah. Do you? I, I think I wrote something in the blog that, you know, I wasn't an extrovert. I wasn't, I was an introvert. I know who decided to become the singer and songwriter and frontman of a band. Yeah.

1:00:50 And, you know, I wasn't a businessman. So I decided to go get my MBA to, to learn those business skills as well as the artistic skills. And, you know, I'd, I've, I've constantly done things behind everybody when it comes to technology and, and, and what's available. And I've constantly, even when I've tried to not do things the hard way, it's like, what am I good at? I'm good at playing guitar and writing songs. Hey, you know, what's almost the hardest thing to do in the whole world to make a living is play guitar and writing songs. After doing business for so long, I was like, you know what? I'm going to write books.

1:01:31 Well, guess what? What's top five? Just almost as hard as as music to try and make a. Living that was that. That was my trajectory, man. I went to college to be a writer. I got AII, won some awards and got an internship at the Mesa trip for someone realized, well shit, I don't make any money doing this. So what did I do? I just transferred my my major from journalism to theater because because. That's where the money's. Right. So and then that and then that kind of, you know, ended up molding into the music because the music I could do all I could do, I could put on the face of the character of the song I wrote. I could act, I could sing, I could portray, I could have all those things that filled that career side of my head.

1:02:12 But then again, it's, it's, you know, it's like being an NFL quarterback. It's .0001% chance you're going to get drafted to begin with. Let. Alone become a quarterback for one of only 32 football teams in the world on that stage. So it's, you know. Right. So to parrot my comment, which was similar to yours, when I got on Instagram, somebody bashed us for dissing on Kid Rock. And I was like, I didn't know we were in competition. You know, he told us that we were jealous that he was something and we were nothing. And I was like, I didn't know I was in competition with him. But you know, I hope you have a nice day or thank you for listening. That's what I said. And I'm yeah, I, I comment on that one too, because they, they said we were being hypocrites. I'm like, we're not being hypocrites. We're having a conversation like right, Nothing hypocritical about it.

1:02:58 We're not. It was purely conversation. How? Do you feel about that the first time being a musician? This is a great question for William Real quick. OK, How do you feel about him having his own halftime show for the first time ever in the history of the Super Bowl? We're going to use music as a weapon and split, try to divide the country down the middle. That pissed me off. I thought that was bullshit. Thank you. OK. And I, I think the, it's funny that we're talking about Kid Rock right now, like in 2026, but I remember being in 8th grade and having a friend of mine bring me his like second cassette tape ever. And he's like, oh, you'll love this. You'll love this is so good.

1:03:45 And there's a song on it. He talks about going down on girls. You'll love it. And I was like, I put the tape in and I was like, this is, I mean, this is garbage. Like just was horrible. And then he put out another album that was supposed to be better and I've never heard about him. And then Devil Without a Cause came out and I was like, is this the same guy? I was like, it's the same name. I was like, there's no way that these guys can be the same guy. And sure enough, it was. And I didn't like that album. I didn't like his music. But eventually I was like, you know what? And this is the same way I feel about any musician who's ever made it at any kind of level.

1:04:29 At some point, my jealousy or my whatever I think about their music, right? It just has to go by the wayside. And I have to respect the fact that they kept at it and kept at it and kept at it until they finally got to this point that every musician wants to be at every singer, every rapper, every guy with a acoustic guitar playing a barbecue joint on the side of the road like. Well, here's what cracked me up real quick. Yeah. Everybody was all I kept hearing is, you know, why is he going to sing in Spanish? Why, why can't it be in English, English, English, English? And I watched the Kid Rock performance because I need to know what I'm dealing with, right?

1:05:09 So when they opened up with BA, with the BA, I'm like, you're bitching about somebody not speaking English and you're watching a performance and they literally started with a song that means that it's not even a fucking word. Exactly. It's BA with the BA, it's a, it's a beat, right? Yeah, yeah. It came from a rap song like at 7879. I put my hand on my face and I just started laughing. I'm like, this is where we're at. This is how people think, right? OK, I give up. You know you. Can't have a world. But yeah, you can't have a world anymore without controversy. Nothing can exist without controversy. You have to pit sides against each other. Look at the media. The media doesn't show anything positive anymore. They they pick and choose.

1:05:53 They're picking and choosing. Their, their ice, ice, ice, ice, ice. But Trump's, Trump's and I'm not getting political. Trump's approach to, to illegal immigrants is, is, is harsh, but every president has done it. Every single president before him has done it. Every single one has deported illegal immigrants without exception, right? Trump, Trump just does it in a way that pisses everybody off. And I'm not political. I'm not defending anybody. Obama deported Mike and I had a show about this he probably 50-60 episodes ago. We we broke down the level of deportations per President Obama crushed them all, right? All of. Them. Yeah, You. You. Can't without exception, without exception. So, so you watch the news and I don't watch the news because all the news is, is click bait.

1:06:41 It's just here's a little snippet of this chaos and they want people to react and and thread comments and views and instead of here's the entire story, Here's the pros, here's the cons, here's the summary, here's the resolution. They're like garbage, garbage, garbage, garbage because they want people feeding them, you know, garbage in, garbage out. There's no, there's no rational conversations anymore on those threads because it's like we talked earlier. James had felt having a conversation with President Trump. But you go to the very last line. It's like, this would be great if it happened, but it didn't. But all they see is the first paragraph. But then there's 800 comments of people arguing about this thing that never really happened, and that's what they believable. And they had to click on that, which, which gave the the visibility and in a lot of cases, you know, monetization of that post and, and that and that, you know, user who's probably not even a real human.

1:07:42 I know I've seen, you know, the same kind of story like posted, I don't know how many times. And the actual words that are being said, the actual conversation is exactly the same, but it's with different people. Yep. Right. So it might be Troy Aikman with the girls on the View where it might be, you know, Donald Trump with this and that. And it's just I, I, I just don't understand why someone has interest and not not reading about that, but like creating that. It's like to create such shit and put it out like times, I don't know, 100 million people.

1:08:24 Yep. I'm more concerned about much better off. I'm more concerned about the people that are easily led by that, though, you know, at least the person that's putting it out there. He's ambitious and you know, that requires effort and work. It's a lot of work, you know, ask Chris, right? Like to keep all this stuff moving requires both of us splitting everything right down the middle. And then there's weeks where we barely make it, you know, because we both have full time jobs on top of it. So I agree with you, but I always give a little bit of credence to the person that has effort, right? Even if it's evil, I'm always trying to look at the good side and I'm like, if he would just use that for this, he would be so great, you know? And that's my point is if they were able to take that creativity and that that hustler's spirit. But the fact is, 800 people arguing underneath about something that doesn't even exist, they worry me so much. Yeah.

1:09:20 And and that's the problem with this kind of social media age, is that it it gives it, it gives people who deserve a voice of voice, but it also gives people who should keep their fucking mouth shut a voice. Yeah, that's what people hear from me a lot when they say something that I know is utterly ridiculous. I'm like, get the fuck out of here, you know? Right. And unfortunately believe that gives those people the loudest voice. Those are the ones that speak the loudest. True. Yeah. Alright boys. Alright boys and girls, we got to wrap this up to find William Chandler the William xavierchandler.com. It's the William xavier.com. OK, the William xavier.com, because when you pull it up, your last name's on there too.

1:10:02 So the William xavier.com has all the stuff, has the links. It's got his blog, Instagram page. I think it probably it takes you to the ability to buy the books. I said that fast three times, right? It does. So all in one. I followed you by Chris and Mike. So subscribe to your newsletter. I expect awesome things from you, Wilma William. Thank you, thank you. Hey, just being able to sit here with you guys. You know, this is this is one of those things that you do and you build relationships and you know, I, I can't wait till I'm going to your state, Chris and having a book sign in and, and stepping off and I'll stop off. And see you. I'll come and I'll have you on the shelf.

1:10:43 It's a Tuesday. Or a Friday. Absolutely. Exactly. It'll be awesome. So yeah. Him and I have talked about that to have like, I look forward to this all day, man. You. I kept telling people, yeah, I always know that with you on the show, we're the least smart people in the group, right? And I mean that affectionately. I do. I just. I look forward to it because you're well spoken. You have great ideas. The questions that I asked of you, I was, you know, pleasantly surprised by your answers, shocked in a couple. You know, I thought maybe you'd go the other way. So I really look forward to this, and I'm glad you came back. So I wish you success with your book. And I'll be buying both of them because they're both right up my alley.

1:11:25 So, and then, and then, so when, when, when the next one's getting ready to come out, you're obviously coming back on. So I can talk about that one. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah, if you'll have me. Absolutely. I'm straight. So remember, boys and girls, if you're feeling sorrow, sad, depressed, suicidal, don't do it. Tomorrow's a better day with you waking up in it. Don't leave a hole in somebody else's heart because you choose not to. You know, go through your struggles. Go run, go scream, go journal, go work out. Go find somebody to talk to you. If you can't text 988. Somebody's there standing by to help talk you off that ledge and get you back in the right state of mind. Tomorrow is a better day with you in it. So remember that. For Chris, I'm Chris. He's Mike. And for William Chandler, the author, the William xavier.com, check them out. Until next time, Peace, love you brother. Thank you, guys.

1:12:08 Thank. You thank you for your time man. It's appreciated man. Time. Thank you. Viable. Nothing but love, man. Best of luck too. Same here man, thanks. On your journey, the place where you will go and feel the trail behind your eyes. Feel yourself and need yourself. Take a moment.

1:12:51 Look. Until you see him fight the battle. That's you most weird. Fight the battle. Who is this baby?

1:14:06 The. Now you're coming come down here. We haven't bounced all this and see the sand and he's fun fighting. Wait for the dead or. When he's going to arrive here for? The wind, he ain't no creature. We don't pray and smile. You should. You put it on the almighty man. You got a dream.

1:14:49 Who in your life? The people. Soul in every man. Take the trip behind your eyes. Feel the soul revolution now. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Take a moment. Listen to you. See it. But your bail into you more clear.

1:15:45 You gotta, you gotta. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta.