#161 - Jennifer Benson from Ignescent

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Yeah, hello boys and girls.
Welcome to Chris and Mike.

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So I'm Chrissy's Mike.
This is Jennifer Benson from Oh

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my gosh, ignescent.
You got it.

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OK, I got it right.
I got it right.

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I got it right.
She's here today with me.

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She's here today.
We're live on Twitch and the

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YouTube live aspect as well.
So Jennifer, give us a little

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bit of spiel, who you are, what
you're all about and why you

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want to come on this wonderful
show that's in what, 29

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countries now with over 300,000
views and just climbing.

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Awesome, awesome.
Yes.

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I'm Jennifer, lead singer of the
band Ignescent, and we're from

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the Chicago area.
We have a new album that will be

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coming out, so just wanted to
share that on here through

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Frontiers Records in March of 20
or March 20th, 2026.

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Where is Frontier based out of?
Is that a Chicago record label?

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No, they're out of Italy.
OK, I'm right down on I-55 in

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Pontiac.
How did I land that?

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Yeah, how?
Did how did you I I submitted

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our music and yeah, yeah, I
just, I emailed them our songs

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and they liked them and we're
interested and then got a record

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deal.
So that's how it worked.

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That's pretty cool.
Italy in all places, Yeah.

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And knowing that there's labels
in Italy, that's cool.

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Yeah, yeah.
Any glitch you there Mark?

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You're looking kind of funny.
What's that?

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Any glitches in the matrix?
You're looking kind of funny.

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No, I couldn't hear for a
second.

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OK.
Well, look, yeah, looking you

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guys are like in the 90s and for
some reason I'm at 40, don't

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know why.
Stupid, stupid Internet in

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Arizona.
Now I understand.

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Oh, OK.
Is that why?

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But I'm on.
You're good.

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Yeah.
So, So, Jennifer, we have this

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weird little thing in Arizona.
I have Starlink and I have a

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direct cable.
And every now and then in the

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afternoons, it just doesn't want
to work for me.

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It's the weirdest thing.
And he's in Illinois, so.

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And you're, are you in Chicago?
Are you in Chicago?

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Yeah, I'm in Chicago.
OK, yeah, Mike's in Pontiac.

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So you guys are in the same
world.

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You're freezing.
Nice.

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OK, that's not crazy part.
Yes.

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So today it's like a heat wave
because a few days ago it was 8

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and today is like 40.
So it's almost like shorts

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weather now.
Yeah, I felt like I didn't need

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a jacket for once.
All right.

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Yeah, yeah, OK.
And I'm sitting here in shorts

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and AT shirt when you know, it's
79° outside.

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Where are you at?
Arizona.

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Oh man, the.
Place I left to come back to

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this hell hole.
Why did you do that?

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Because my family's here and I
needed to slow down a little

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bit.
Gotcha, gotcha.

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That makes sense.
Him and I were doing what you're

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doing now.
In the 90s we were basically

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playing all over Arizona and
California and wherever we could

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find gigs, so.
Nice, that's awesome.

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It's all about the rock'n'roll.
So here's your website.

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Give us a little bit insight.
Who are your fellow band mates?

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Yeah, so Mikey Green is on bass
guitar, Andre Leon is on guitar,

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and Cole Coreal is our drummer.
OK, so the drummer's the guy

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with the shaved head.
No, the drummer.

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The other way.
Other way, sorry.

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OK, that's OK.
Yeah, yeah.

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That's OK.
How long have you guys been a

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band?
It it's been many years.

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We just about our first album,
like our first full like album

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was with Frontiers in 2023.
Before that we're just releasing

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singles and EPS.
But yeah, so we've we've been

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around for quite a bit.
Right on.

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And the first album, how did
that did?

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How did that work to the chart?
Did you guys make some waves?

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Did you go on tour with that?
Yeah, the, well, actually the

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single before the album Remnant
that hit top 50 on active Rock

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Billboard charts.
And it was like rock's most

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added with Evanescence on one
week and then and then our song

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that was from the album called
Not Today that hit #1 on CMW

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Rock Billboard charts.
Yeah, yeah.

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And now we've done many shows.
We've opened for Skillet,

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Flyleaf, Buckcherry, We've
played at Rockfest many times in

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Incarceration Fest and all that.
And actually currently we have a

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a single called The Caney Side
Conquered.

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And it's been at #1 five weeks
in a row as of last week on on

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the CMW Rock Builder charts.
Wow.

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Congratulations.
Yeah.

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Thanks.
That's awesome.

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Thank you.
So are they?

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You're the face of the band.
Yes.

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Are they going to light us up if
we sample your music on here?

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Oh no, go ahead.
OK, OK, so let.

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Me.
If they do, we will send you an

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e-mail.
All you got to do is confirm

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that we're on this show.
It's as simple as that.

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There you go.
There you go.

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They do protect us.
Awesome.

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They they do.
OK, hold on.

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I got to move screens.
I've heard people tell horror

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stories about the dealings that
they've had with Spotify.

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Chris will tell you it was as
simple as letting them know that

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our guest was the feature.
You know, the, the band we

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played was the guest.
They investigated it.

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It took like 4 days.
They sent me an e-mail, said

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your show's back up.
You know, sorry, Yeah.

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They were totally cool about it.
So I can't say enough good

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things about Spotify when it
comes to doing their due

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diligence and then doing the
right thing.

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So you may get an e-mail from
Chris or I that says can you

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confirm that you were on the
show if we sample your music OK,

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but as we're not like.
Yeah, we're not really sampling.

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We just want to showcase it
because what we do here is.

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Yeah, showcase is a way better
word.

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Yeah, open up because we want to
show anybody any band we have on

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like to share their stuff.
Where's my sound?

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Can you hear the sound?
There you go, right there.

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You can hear the sound.
Perfect.

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OK, it's not coming to my.
Headphones, which is weird.

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You must still have a darkness
where no hope is found.

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I will not be controlled.
I love your voice.

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Thank you.
Actually, that's Billy Gray of

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Fozzie.
He was featured in this video.

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Oh cool.
Women.

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I love how women sound when they
say so.

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Cool.
Women are so lucky with their

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voices, the dynamic, the range.
Just.

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Drew me right in.
Yeah.

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I like it.
I dig it.

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Yeah,
so who writes most of your music

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lyrically?
I do.

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I Co write sometimes with Jeremy
Valentine and Brandon of New

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Year's Day.
But yeah, I do a lot of the the

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lyric writing.
This is Kevin Young disciple.

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He's in this song.
What did you say a minute ago,

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Mike?
Oh, I was going to tell you to

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pause it real quick because I
couldn't hear what she said.

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Oh, OK.
I'm trying to pause it on the

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screen that I'm watching it.
So I had asked her, I had asked

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her who writes, who writes the
music lyrically?

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So we tell him that again, if
you would please.

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Yeah, yeah, I wrote, I write
most of the the melodies and the

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lyrics, but sometimes, yeah, but
sometimes I do Co write with

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Jeremy Valentine and with Bren
Wolf of the band New Year's Day.

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And so sometimes we'll go back
and forth and and change some

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things and work on that.
But yeah.

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And then not today was actually
Co written with Josiah of the

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band Disciple.
But yeah, but mainly I I do

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write like.
So are you also a musician on

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top of being a singer?
Do you play an instrument?

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No, I don't.
Melody's just kind of pop in my

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head.
That's how this guy works.

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No way, that's awesome.
I love.

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That's why I wanted to, That's
why I wanted not only myself but

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our audience to hear your
answer, because I thought that's

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what you said.
And it's very similar to way

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that him and I wrote music
together.

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Awesome, awesome.
So yeah, I probably the same.

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Like I'll have a melody and then
some.

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Maybe the guitarist will write
around it or or you know, or

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sometimes I'll hear the music
and then I'll write to it.

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But.
Exactly.

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We did the same thing.
He would be singing something

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and it would inspire me to play.
Or I would be playing something

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and he'd be like, keep playing
that and he'd start digging

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through his lyrics and he's
like, OK, check this out.

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Awesome.
That's super cool.

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I love that.
We had so much fun.

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Yeah, we had the we had that
unique connection that and I've

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never found anybody sense that
that can do it to where I could,

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I could write him something.
I sent him something a couple

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weeks ago.
I sent it to him and write it as

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he reads it, he understands the
emotion and, and the vibe that,

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that, that it's a poem, right?
Because that's how I learned how

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to write in, in poetry form,
bowed format specifically.

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So he, he would, he reads it and
then he's like, OK, and then,

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you know, the next day of
practice or whatever, I'd come

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out, he's like, check this out,
dude.

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And it just, it would fit.
It was the craziest thing.

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And it's always been that way
with he and I.

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And I would always be.
So nervous to present it to him.

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It wasn't really.
Oh, yeah.

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I was just like, here's the best
I can do with what you gave me.

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And he, yeah, I've never told
him that.

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But yeah, that's how I felt as a
music.

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I wasn't going in there going,
hey, this is going to be the

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shit, you know, right.
I was more like, hey, check this

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out.
Do you like this right?

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And I get.
It and it always works.

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So you, you obviously have that
same dynamic with your band.

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Because if, because I didn't, I
didn't necessarily hear the

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music behind of the guitars and
the drums, things like that

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until he started playing things.
And then when the band put it

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all together, right, they
started kind of piercing putting

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the pieces together.
And I'd say, oh, then I then

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they would change, right?
Because then when all of a

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sudden you hear the bass line,
it's like, well fuck, I Can't

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Sing that way on that part now
because the bass line's there

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and I want to chase the bass
line.

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You know, and then here's a
compliment that only a

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musician's going to give you.
Your guys's dynamics are

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outstanding.
Yeah.

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That means so much.
And you know that when you're

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writing songs, Chris was always
big on that.

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He's like, you know, let's build
this up here.

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You know, I love where you start
off and you think the song is

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going to be one way, but if you
listen to the lyrics, you can

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hear you guys lead, you know,
into those heavy parts and very

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well written and the dynamics
are outstanding.

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I thank you.
Kudos to the guys in the band

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too.
Thanks and I appreciate that.

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Definitely.
And then I mentioned I don't

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know if you heard because the
music was playing, but Billy

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Gray of Fozzie is actually
featured in that.

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And he did some like the guitar
part and all that, but he's

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featured in the music video, so.
His voice sounds so familiar.

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I'm not familiar with that band.
I'll have to do some research

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and check him out, but.
OK, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Oh, actually the singer is Kevin
Young, a Disciple, but Billy

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Gray is Fozzie.
He's the one.

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He's playing guitar.
So there's actually 2 features

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in that video so.
That's nice.

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Yeah, Yeah.
So what's what's come on, what's

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on the horizon for for the band?
What are you guys doing for the

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rest of this year and what
happens in 2026?

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Yeah, so right now we're just
kind of putting a tour together

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for next year because our our
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2026.
And so we're just like booking

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shows around that.
Currently we do have a music

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video and a new song that's
releasing before that, a single

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off the album on January 26th.
And I'm super excited because

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that one features Clint Lowry of
the band Sevendust.

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He actually on it and he's in
the music video.

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So I can't wait.
That's like only what, a month

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away that's coming out So can't
wait.

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So there's another full circle
moment, Jennifer.

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We opened up for them when
nobody really, I mean, they were

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just getting started.
Black it barely come out.

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Yeah, they were playing.
Yeah, they were playing at a bar

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in Phoenix.
Now they're huge.

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That's.
You'll have to ask him if he

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remembers playing at the Big
Fish Pub in Tempe, AZ Oh, maybe

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like 1997 or so.
OK, I will.

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That's awesome.
I love that band.

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There's Heidi, too.
They're amazing.

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They're amazing.
And from everything I've heard,

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we didn't really get to interact
with them, but they, every story

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I've ever heard, they're all
stand up guys.

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They just love.
They're blessed to be doing what

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they do and that kind of
attitude, you know?

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Definitely.
Yeah, that's.

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Cool that you guys are awesome.
Gonna jam with somebody from

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their band, That's so cool.
Yeah, yeah.

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I'm like, it's a big dream and
I'm just excited.

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I can't wait.
Yeah, I feel like musicians are

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all one big family, you know?
So when you meet somebody that's

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that big.
Yeah.

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Successful men are often the
ones that deal with this from

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David to solve.
This you guys.

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No, I.
Don't know what I hate.

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Ads.
Damn ads.

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Oh, that's odd.
That's that's.

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What I thought I'm like, what
is?

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This joker.
I hate when it does that, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.
That's.

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We're just going to, we're going
to do the visual, let it

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visually.
All right, here something

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gotcha.
OK.

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OK.
Hold on.

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I'll turn.
Just a minute or so.

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OK, OK.
I love their sound.

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Yeah.
It kind of looks like Carrie

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King.
I am Mr. Brown outside Somebody

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talking.
I'll just be here if.

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You're going to treat me?
Like a fool, I'll be a joker.

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For you, yeah.
So who?

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So you wrote that song?
That one actually Co wrote with

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Jeremy and Brandon Wolf of the
band New Year's Day, and they

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produced it.
So yeah.

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OK, and what, what, what's the
whole premise behind this one?

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That is based off of people like
that are pretending to be your

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friend to your face, but then
behind your back they're talking

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and saying, you know, bad things
and gossiping.

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And so, you know, it talks about
how you thought that they were a

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true friend, but they really
aren't.

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So if you're going to treat me
like a fool, I'll be a joker for

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you.
So that's what.

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It that's really cool.
Thanks.

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I like that.
Thanks.

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Where are you guys recording
your music because the audio

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quality is outstanding.
Thanks, California.

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And then vocals actually nearby
in Wisconsin.

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It just kind of works out that
way cuz there's a studio out

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here.
But yeah, so it's kind of a

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combination.
I could be wrong about this, but

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I think a little known fact is a
lot of the grunge music in the

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90s was actually recorded in a
studio in Wisconsin and don't I

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don't know where.
Yeah, well, I'll have to Google

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that.
I might.

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I may be just talking out my
ass, but I think Nirvana

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recorded.
Maybe there were.

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Never.
Mind no demos or something for

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yeah, the album that ended up
becoming Never Mind, That might

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have been the story.
Nice, nice.

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That's awesome.
Who's doing your video work?

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Because that's outstanding too.
Thank you.

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Well, the last video was JT
Ibanez.

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He's worked with Sevendust and
everything, but this one is

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someone different.
His name is Joseph Castleberry,

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and he's from Chicago, actually,
just the Chicago area.

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I've known for years.
And he does pictures for us.

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And he did this video.
And yeah, I love what he did.

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He did an awesome job.
Yeah.

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He's really talented.
Very good editing, very good

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lighting.
It's Yeah.

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Well done it.
Thanks.

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So for people don't understand
the behind the scenes of all

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this kind of work, because this
is work.

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Making a video is work.
It's not something this is, you

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know, we're going to bust this
out in two hours.

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Yeah, this just didn't take 4
minutes to put together.

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So, but so that's why I'm having
that's why I'm asking this

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question.
So that video itself, do you

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recall how long you were in
doing the shoot?

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Was it over a period of days?
You know, kind of get shed some

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light on that.
So the people that watch and

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listen to this can understand,
you know, like we everybody sees

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the end product, right?
Like we had a moment.

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I'd like to 1st of we had a
moment the first year on the

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show where where we saw this
clip of Bruno Mars and all the

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stuff he does behind the scenes
getting ready for a show.

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And you never think of that.
You just you just, you just

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watch the show.
The you know, whatever he was

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doing on an award show and it's
he's just like, holy shit.

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Like it's you don't realize the
work that goes into it unless

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you're a musician and and you do
all that.

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So with the videos, because I've
done videos.

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Yeah.
But what you know, give the give

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the insight to those that don't
understand the amount of time

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and effort and you know, are
you, are you actually seeing in

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the video?
Were you lip syncing in the

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video?
Those kind of things are cool to

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share with folks.
OK, yeah, well, the whole

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process, it took a while because
those outfits that you saw the

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guys wearing, they like they
ordered those online, but they

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weren't done.
So they actually like added

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things to them, they drew on
them, they like did some sewing

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and to create that outfit.
So for them, it took a little

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while, just even before we shot
it just to get their outfits

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right in the way they wanted
them.

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They put a lot of work into
that, which I think is awesome

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that they, you know that they
did that.

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That's.
Another good point, and Chris

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would be he knows all about that
too.

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Doing acting.
Your costume is everything too.

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You got to have a look.
It is, it is.

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And then they thank God I didn't
have all this, but they had

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white makeup.
So it took forever.

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And they've never done this
before either.

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It took them forever to get that
white makeup all over them, you

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know?
So just like that process for

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them.
I didn't, not really, no.

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They submitted one help.
I asked them, but they're like,

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no, no, no.
So they helped each other

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actually have some behind the
scenes.

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I should probably share that.
But yeah, they helped each

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other.
But yeah, it was, it was a mess,

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though.
So the other thing is where we

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shot, they ended up like the air
conditioning broke that day and

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we shot it in the summer in
Chicago and it was, we were

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boiling.
It was, it was so hot in there

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all day long.
And then their makeup started to

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like drip and like, and it was
just kind of a nightmare for the

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guys.
I felt bad for them, but they're

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troopers, so that that whole
thing was kind of crazy.

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But but yeah, I mean, after we
got ready and everything here,

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makeup, dressed, everything, we
shot all day.

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I mean, it only took one day,
thankfully, but it still, it was

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all day long.
And then in between they had

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like this little fan.
So I remember the bass player

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going like this, like, you know,
because he's so hot, he's trying

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to prevent like his makeup from
dripping.

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So it like in between, yeah, he
we were all in the fans because

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we were so hot.
It was crazy.

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But but yeah, it was a lot of
fun.

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And I, no, actually, I don't lip
sync.

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I actually sing to the track
because then it looks more real.

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If I'm just like lip synching,
it kind of looks fake, you know,

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so everyone's actually like
playing and you know, and I'm

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actually singing and cool.
So it was, it was a blast.

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It was so much fun.
But you just kind of, it's kind

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of going over, you know, the
same thing over and over and

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reshooting and shoot.
So it's kind of very repetitive

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in a long process, but it was
worth it, so.

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Yeah, I'm glad he asked that
question because that is

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something that I always tell
people when they say what is

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something about being a musician
that I would never think of.

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And that's the first thing I
say, is playing the same thing

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over and over and over.
And you can't say I'm sick of

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playing it because that's your
job.

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You.
Know right you have.

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To do and we would never say
that anyway because we love

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playing right and we love the
songs that we wrote so that that

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was a great question A lot of
people don't realize it doesn't

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take as long to shoot the video
as the song is you know they

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just think you go in there with
your costume and play the song

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and it took 10 minutes you.
Know you're.

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Talking 1416 hour day before you
get it done.

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To me, photography.
I don't know how Chris feels

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about it, but photography and
videos to me were a necessary

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evil.
You know, I love the outcome.

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I love what I saw there.
But I saw what Chris asked.

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I was like, oh, my God, that was
a long day.

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Or maybe the whole Weekender.
Yeah.

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It's really long, yeah.
We just get to the point where I

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hit play and we watched the
video, right?

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That's what I want to get to,
yeah.

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Definitely, definitely.
But both sides of it, your

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studio work and your video work,
was well worth whatever time you

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spent because the people that
did it were outstanding.

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Thank you.
No, I appreciate that.

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To me, a good audio engineer or
a bad audio engineer, had that

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song been recorded horribly,
yeah, it would still be a good

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song.
But it would be unlistenable,

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right?
So yeah.

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Those people are important.
Oh, they are definitely,

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definitely yeah.
Oh I was going to ask something.

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My brain farted.
Oh, that's OK.

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Well, no, I don't like, I don't
like silence, so it's not OK.

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Oh, I was.
Stopping because I knew we had a

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question.
It's not OK.

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I totally live.
Yeah.

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Wow, that's a dream.
I want to say, I mean, photos

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are the same way because you
have to get your hair or your

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makeup done.
And especially for for women, it

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takes a long time, you know, to
get all that done and it's a

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whole process.
Oh, you got it.

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That's what it was.
So Frontier, Frontier being the

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label, right?
Frontier Music, Sri.

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Is that what it's called?
SRL.

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OK.
So with with them being your

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label and the fact that they are
in Italy and you mentioned

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Chicago, you mentioned
Wisconsin.

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So do they have, do they have
connections in those in those

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parts of the country or you just
you kind of off there doing it,

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doing it yourself?
As far as like Wisconsin and.

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Well, like, like you're in
Chicago, right?

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Yeah, OK.
And you and you referenced that

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you, you did some recording in
Chicago, California and

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Wisconsin.
He's.

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Asking if the label has ties in
this area.

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Oh, gotcha, gotcha.
No, those are just my contacts.

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Yeah, they let me do basically
what I wanted to.

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Do so.
You literally sought this label

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out, found them, they liked you.
Yeah.

455
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,520
And then they're just kind of
supporting your dream from this

456
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,960
point forward.
Yeah, yeah, That's really cool.

457
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:04,800
Yeah.
And they're helping with a lot

458
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,640
of different, different things.
Yeah.

459
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:11,560
It's a huge blessing because,
you know, to record, it's

460
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,760
expensive.
It's like, and so I'm just

461
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,440
thankful that they're willing to
invest in me and they believe in

462
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,280
me and they're willing to help
me.

463
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,760
So it's, it's awesome.
I'm really thankful.

464
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,920
Well, they they made a good pick
because you guys got a great

465
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,400
sound.
I mean, I can see you guys

466
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,000
blowing up for sure.
Just.

467
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,320
One they and they've had a
couple of things chart already,

468
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:32,440
which is cool.
Yeah, yeah.

469
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,160
There you kind of already are
blowing up and now you're in 29

470
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,600
countries, so.
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

471
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,520
Which which is pretty cool.
That is pretty cool.

472
00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:44,840
It's pretty cool to us too.
I try to think about it.

473
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,880
That's awesome.
It is awesome, yeah.

474
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,840
OK, so the tour, what's what's
the deal with the tour?

475
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,640
Yeah, you're planning it.
Do you have anything set up yet?

476
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,600
I just cuz I pulled up the the
site on the on the tour page.

477
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,080
So I'm going to share that
because it looks like there's a

478
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,280
couple dates up there.
Yeah, yeah, it's just kind of

479
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,840
being worked on now.
But yeah, we have.

480
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:11,960
We're at District 142 in
Wyandotte, MI on March 27th and

481
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,800
we're with Texas Hippie
Coalition, so I'm excited about

482
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,720
that.
That's like one of my favorite

483
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:17,840
clubs.
I love that place.

484
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:23,320
And then we're at Murray Hill
Theatre in Jacksonville, FL

485
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,600
April 18th, and then we're at
Life Fest in Oshkosh, WI, July

486
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,960
9th and 10th.
And Skillet is actually at that

487
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,880
at that test too, so I'm excited
about that.

488
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,240
I like them a lot too.
Yeah, I love them, I love them,

489
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,280
but we'll have a lot more dates.
It's just being worked on.

490
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,320
So yeah.
You can stay posted if you just

491
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,240
go to the tour tab,
ignessantmusic.com or the bands

492
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,640
in town Ignescent as well.
Yep, Yep, bands in town do me a

493
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,680
favor.
Click on their merch button.

494
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,600
There I want to see what kind of
merch T-shirts I need to.

495
00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:02,400
That's our new CD that's coming
out, the artwork and so yeah,

496
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:09,000
that's we can pre-order some
merch and the CD and and album

497
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:12,240
as well.
US fans, is that is that coming?

498
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,160
OK, cool.
Is that coming on the thing?

499
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:14,960
No, it's not.
Hold on.

500
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,320
I got to.
I got to reshare.

501
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,440
Sometimes when I switch screens
it doesn't follow me.

502
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,440
I noticed that.
Following what I want, man.

503
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,880
So there we go.
And so this is all through the

504
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,200
label, which is cool.
Yeah, that's all through the

505
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,200
label.
Yeah.

506
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,320
And we have, you know, vinyl
records, but red vinyl, Yeah.

507
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,520
Selling.
Yeah.

508
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,360
So I'm excited.
Yeah.

509
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,080
And then the T-shirts with the
artwork and.

510
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,080
Yeah.
Nice.

511
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:49,440
And then that's the older CD and
then we have a few other things

512
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,800
as well on the merch site, but
I.

513
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,480
Don't have my glasses on.
Is that design on the hoodie on

514
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,320
the back or the front like the
picture?

515
00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:01,560
Looks like the back.
Back ends, yeah, the design's on

516
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,080
the back and then the logo's on
the front.

517
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:05,920
The name's on the front.
Yeah, that's awesome.

518
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,400
Yeah.
Well, you have to go to the

519
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,680
website, Mike.
I'm going.

520
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,600
Yes.
You can join their their mailing

521
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,800
list, you can you can get on the
holiday so vinyl Club.

522
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,840
I'm a fan already.
Are you guys streaming?

523
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,040
Do you have your album?
Are any singles available

524
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:26,240
anywhere?
Yeah, it's on Spotify.

525
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:31,320
The two singles that just
released from the album are on

526
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,680
there now, Joker and Light Up
the Night that just released

527
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,160
like 2 days ago I think, or two
or three days ago.

528
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,840
That's on there.
And then obviously the new album

529
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,920
will be out on there too.
And Fighting Me is on Spotify

530
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,160
too.
And then we have our E PS in

531
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:54,320
some singles on Spotify and
Apple Music and, you know,

532
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,200
Amazon all all over pretty.
I listened to 101,000 minutes of

533
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,880
music last year so you guys are
now in my rotation.

534
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,320
Oh.
Yeah, holy cow, that's.

535
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,360
Awesome.
I work at a factory so I'm

536
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,840
working on an assembly line.
So I just set my speaker in

537
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,960
front of me and for basically 8
1/2 hours a day that's all I do

538
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,400
is listen to music so.
Nice, I will be.

539
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,680
Introducing you guys to all
kinds of people.

540
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,160
Awesome.
Thank you.

541
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,760
No, I appreciate that.
Yeah.

542
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,400
Do it if you want good.
I'm I'm brutally honest so.

543
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:23,360
Really.
OK.

544
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,680
I love your sound.
I'll definitely be introducing

545
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,240
you to people that I know like
that kind of music and they will

546
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,800
do the same, so.
Thank you.

547
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,160
Yeah, I appreciate.
It I know Chris will do the same

548
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,240
because him and I One thing we
have in common our our

549
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,320
admiration.
Not our admiration, our

550
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,400
fascination.
That was almost a real faux pas

551
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:41,560
with.
Serial.

552
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:47,280
Killers and female lead singers.
Nice, yes?

553
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,040
There's something about the way
that, and he said it earlier,

554
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,000
there's something about the way
that you guys just sound

555
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,840
naturally with your voice
against that Hard Rock music.

556
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,800
It just, it's so cool.
It all started back with heart,

557
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:01,960
you know?
Yeah.

558
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,760
And Wilson just belting out that
song, Yeah.

559
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,960
Against that heavy riff or
whatever, you know, like

560
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,360
Barracuda or yeah crazy on you
just yeah, chills thinking about

561
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:11,760
it you.
Know.

562
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,080
Yeah, she's awesome.
Or Evanescence.

563
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,440
Evanescence too.
Amazing.

564
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,800
Yeah.
Her version Have you heard her

565
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,160
version of going to California
I.

566
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:22,760
Don't think so.
YouTube it.

567
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,040
She did it during the pandemic.
OK.

568
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,480
I cried listening to it.
I think she actually got a

569
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,360
comment from Robert Plant
himself.

570
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,120
No way.
Wow, that's awesome.

571
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,640
It's beautiful.
It brings tears to your eyes.

572
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,480
Awesome.
See other other cool, other cool

573
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,160
female lead bands that I've been
into the last couple years.

574
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,640
Hailstorm in this moment, yeah.
In this moment, thank you.

575
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,040
Yeah, they're awesome.
Yeah.

576
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:51,280
Within Temptation.
Yes, yes, they're awesome.

577
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:52,000
Yeah.
I was never.

578
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,520
I was too.
I was never big in the heart.

579
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,240
Yeah.
I never big in the heart.

580
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,520
I don't know why heart wasn't my
thing.

581
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:57,360
Pat Benatar.
Love.

582
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:58,120
Pat Benatar.
Yeah.

583
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,640
I love Pat Benatar too.
Go back and listen to Heart.

584
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,280
I think you missed something
there.

585
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,960
I, I just, I just, I was never
big in the heart, man.

586
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,360
Yeah.
Go back, you're older now and

587
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:07,160
wiser.
I just.

588
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,320
Wasn't man, you know, it's
kinda, you know, you just it's

589
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,240
like if you heard.
Crazy on you right now.

590
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,480
I wouldn't go.
Crazy, yeah.

591
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,480
Well.
She's going to go crazy on you

592
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,800
and she means it, man.
It's just, you know, it's.

593
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,600
Just.
You know, you know, it's kind of

594
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,000
like, I mean, I, I respect
Janice shops and for what she

595
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,920
did in the in.
The Oh don't hurt my heart.

596
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,120
No, I'm just saying I'm just,
but I'm not.

597
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,160
But I'm not going out there and
I don't I don't have only Janice

598
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,320
shopping music because it just,
it just wasn't OK.

599
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,000
I'm sorry.
Don't mean it hurt your heart

600
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,200
man.
You know, you know, I'm just

601
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,960
being funny.
Everybody likes what they like.

602
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,800
I know.
I would not enter.

603
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,080
I mean, my mom would appreciate
your music, Jennifer, but that

604
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,280
probably wouldn't be what she
would gravitate towards.

605
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,240
She would say something like
that's, that's nice.

606
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,280
They sound very.
She seems like a nice girl.

607
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,600
Yeah.
Why is it got to be so loud?

608
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,640
Yeah, right it.
Has to.

609
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,760
It has to be loud.
Man, it has to be.

610
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,200
Come on.
She's listening to this so.

611
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:11,120
I'm sure.
Oh, is she?

612
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,520
That's not what I would say at
all.

613
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,920
Tell her to listen to You're Not
Alone.

614
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,960
Maybe she'll like that one.
That's like a ballad, so maybe,

615
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,520
maybe she'll like that.
She'll probably say something

616
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,800
like let me hear the music and
I'll decide for myself.

617
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:30,600
Michael Smart, Smart.
Absolutely.

618
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,160
She's a good woman.
Awesome.

619
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:40,840
So are you guys playing around
here anytime soon like anywhere

620
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,880
in the Chicago area or?
Yeah, we did last month.

621
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,680
We're kind of working on booking
something either in the suburbs

622
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,680
or in the city for our CD
release.

623
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:58,440
So hopefully March 20th or March
21st we should know more.

624
00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:59,880
We'll.
Definitely keep in touch because

625
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:01,800
I'm right down the road.
I'll drive up and see you guys

626
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,640
play for sure.
Awesome.

627
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:04,800
I would love to.
Awesome.

628
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:05,760
Yeah.
Thanks.

629
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,040
Thanks.
That would be my honor.

630
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,160
I won't.
I live too far away.

631
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,200
Yeah.
You don't want to drive zone.

632
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,800
I don't understand like I don't
get to.

633
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,680
Phoenix there, you get in touch
with him because.

634
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,800
He'll.
Yeah, absolutely.

635
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,200
Ever.
If you ever play in Phoenix, by

636
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,480
all means reach Outreach out for
sure.

637
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,440
Well, we may.
We may, I will.

638
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,920
It's a nice place to visit.
It's a good reason to go play a

639
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,600
gig there.
Definitely.

640
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,480
I've never been there.
Oh, they have a lot of really

641
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,400
cool clubs too, so I'm sure
it'll be more since I.

642
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,640
You've never been to Phoenix?
No, I've never been to Arizona

643
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,640
at all, honestly.
OK, Oh, you'd love it.

644
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,320
Yeah.
Just don't come.

645
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,720
Just don't book any shows from
like May to September.

646
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,520
They're.
Cool otherwise.

647
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,640
Because of the heat.
Or well, if you're going to be

648
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,440
outside, I mean, and May's not
bad.

649
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,560
It's July, August, September are
the worst.

650
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,120
But you know, for the most part,
July is hot.

651
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,360
It gets hotter in August than in
the first couple weeks of

652
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:02,920
September.
It's kind of tailing off and

653
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,120
fading away.
But like I said, right now it's

654
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,200
it's this whole week it's been
like 80°.

655
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,120
It's crazy.
Seven.

656
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:13,600
Well, not 8076 to 79.
You know. 47 in the morning type

657
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:19,320
thing, you know, but for us,
winter is the end of January and

658
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,840
then February kind of sucks.
It's super cold.

659
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,920
The Super cold usually in in
that super cold.

660
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,360
Like super cold.
I don't know about that.

661
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:27,320
Yeah.
Super.

662
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,840
Cold 70° you.
Know like a freezes man it's

663
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,360
like 32 it's like. 32 Come on.
They'll have something on the

664
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,719
news like there's a possible
frost warning, so cover up your

665
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,040
plants.
Hey, hey, it makes you realize

666
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,000
men have nipples too.
So it's that cold.

667
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,400
Oh man, that isn't.
I like to make fun of him

668
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,440
because we are literally in the
frozen tundra right now, but I

669
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,440
will sympathize with him because
I lived there for almost 20

670
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,240
years.
Your blood does thin out and 60°

671
00:34:57,240 --> 00:35:02,040
is fucking freezing after you've
felt 115 for what, 100?

672
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,800
Days in a row or whatever, cold.
I don't get too cold at 60, but

673
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,720
like like upper 40s, yeah, I'm
cold.

674
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:11,520
Anything below, I'd say 45.
It's like, yeah.

675
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,520
Yeah, well, that's cold too.
Right, right, right.

676
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:16,760
But it's something you're used
to.

677
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,800
Like I could, I can hang with
60, I can hang in the 50s, you

678
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,320
know?
Because I'll agree with

679
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,040
Jennifer, when I walked out the
door today after work, I was

680
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,400
like, whoa, what's not bad out
here, you know?

681
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,800
Yeah, it's nice.
But it was still only 36.

682
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,320
Right.
Well, I lived in Tennessee for

683
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,960
like a year and a half and yeah,
it was beautiful.

684
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,720
I loved it.
But they did not go out like it.

685
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:41,840
It snowed maybe an inch.
And I was the only one on the

686
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,400
roads.
And I was like, what is going

687
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,560
on?
I don't understand.

688
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:49,000
But then I kind of understood
because it was very hilly there.

689
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,600
I was more in the Knoxville area
and so I started going up the

690
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,680
hills and I could barely make it
up.

691
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,280
And so I'm like, OK, now I get
it.

692
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,000
Like, I get why no one's on the
road is ever me.

693
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,520
I can kind of understand there.
You go.

694
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,640
So now are all the is the entire
band, everybody from Chicago?

695
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:12,560
The guitarist is, but the
drummer and bassist are from

696
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,320
Indianapolis.
OK, so kind of split.

697
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,920
So how did you guys all meet?
Like go back to the the origin

698
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,920
story.
We have about 20 minutes left.

699
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,120
So origin us, tell us how how
how your band came came about.

700
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:30,000
OK, yeah, I actually reached out
to a friend and she introduced

701
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,720
me to the drummer Cole.
And so that's how we met and

702
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,120
just auditioned him and it
worked out.

703
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,880
He's an amazing drummer.
And then he introduced me to the

704
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,600
bassist, Mikey, because they
knew each other and they live in

705
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,040
the same area.
So that's kind of how that

706
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,760
worked out.
And then Andre is from, you

707
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,640
know, the Chicago area.
Actually, he's originally from

708
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,400
Guatemala, but he's been here
for maybe six years.

709
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:03,960
And I reached out to him on band
mix and he responded.

710
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,200
And we just, you know, I
auditioned him and then that was

711
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,440
it.
So it kind of all came together.

712
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,360
So yeah, that's how it worked
out, but.

713
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,440
Right on.
Yeah, yeah.

714
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,560
That was the quickest origin
story I've ever heard in my

715
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,520
life, that.
Way it's very simple.

716
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,840
She literally built a band.
I literally built the band.

717
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,720
Yeah, I mean MM did the same
thing.

718
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,720
Yeah, but then we all ended up
basically, I mean, half of us

719
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:32,640
live together, you know what I'm
saying?

720
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,360
Oh, did you?
So yeah.

721
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:35,520
Oh.
Yeah, while you're a band, you

722
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:36,240
mean?
Yeah.

723
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,600
Yeah, my bass player and I lived
together, and my drummer and his

724
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,800
family lived right next door.
It was a duplex.

725
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,600
Wow, that's and.
We practiced in their living

726
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,600
room so.
Awesome, that's very convenient.

727
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,760
I had my own.
I had my own place, Jennifer.

728
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,000
He had.
He was on my.

729
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,520
Turn.
Well originally I had my own

730
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,600
place too, but then I he didn't
anymore.

731
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,960
He did.
I was living like a baller for a

732
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:02,520
while but then I realized you
can only ball on a credit card

733
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,280
until they want their money.
Yeah, that is true.

734
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,200
Actually I balled on about 7
credit cards till they wanted

735
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:10,560
their.
Money.

736
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,280
Oh yeah, yeah.
So how do you guys get?

737
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,920
Together like to practice if
you're that far apart.

738
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,280
Now I like his question a lot.
Yeah, we don't really practice

739
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,080
much.
We kind of practice on our own.

740
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,440
I mean, we obviously at the
beginning, you know, we did, we

741
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,560
just kind of met here in the
Chicago area and they stayed

742
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:36,200
overnight here at my place.
And then we just rehearsed for a

743
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,360
few days and and that was it.
But you know, everyone kind of

744
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:44,280
rehearses on their own.
So it makes it pretty easy that

745
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,320
way.
And then if we do a lot of

746
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,040
shows, because we were doing
like a lot of touring last year,

747
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,200
you don't really need a rehearse
because you're kind of playing

748
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,520
the same songs over and over
again, right?

749
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,080
But now we have a new album, so
we're going to be adding like

750
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,800
brand new songs to our set from
the new album.

751
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,040
So we're definitely going to
have to rehearse.

752
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,760
So yeah, I think we're going to
get together in January and, you

753
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,120
know, either here or meet in the
middle and just, you know, spend

754
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,920
a couple days together
rehearsing and.

755
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,680
So when you put the when you put
this record together, were you

756
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,080
guys all in different parts of
the country?

757
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,440
Were we in different parts of
the country?

758
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:19,600
Yeah.
You mean like Indian?

759
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,400
Yeah.
Yeah, OK.

760
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,440
So none of it was done like like
when I recorded The Last Man is

761
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,840
and we went to Nashville, we
recorded 4 songs and Dolly

762
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,360
Parton Studio Gravity and then
the the rest of it was recorded

763
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,840
Chelsea Music Group which was
Alan Jackson, George Strait, I

764
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:39,920
think Landing pad or something.
We are rock but you know we were

765
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,640
under a universal label platinum
plush record.

766
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,320
So that's where they put us.
So we were there.

767
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,560
I mean, we were there as a band
for the entire experience and we

768
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,120
got, granted this was 2007, so
it was a different world back

769
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,560
then.
That's why I'm glad you asked

770
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,440
that question, because now I'm
seeing the Digital Age playoff.

771
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,400
Yeah, that's well, that's why I
asked it, because these.

772
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,800
Guys are a band in different
parts of the country and they're

773
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,360
that good and that successful.
That's it's so cool.

774
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,080
Thanks.
So.

775
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,200
So obviously all of you have
massive music experience then.

776
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:13,560
Oh yeah.
OK, so like so so because your

777
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,320
origin story was a minute long,
Jennifer.

778
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,640
He's he's disappointed,
Jennifer, I've never seen him.

779
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,720
Disappointed there's more behind
it though that I can share like.

780
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,840
Step bus has passed.
Now I.

781
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,320
Want to know now I want to know
about the OK, so I'm not going

782
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,560
to ask how old you are because
that's true, but I want to know.

783
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:34,880
I mean, is this a lifelong
thing?

784
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,000
Have you been studying music,
performing music and stuff since

785
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,800
you're, you know, knee high to a
grasshopper?

786
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,320
Same with your bandmates,
because obviously if you can

787
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,920
come across and pull off a live
performance, being in, you know,

788
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,160
three different parts of the
country, show for a couple days,

789
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,120
rehearse the songs, go out there
and play live.

790
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,000
The cool thing about being in a
band and playing live is nobody

791
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,840
knows if you make mistakes or
not because they're just in the

792
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,440
audience watching and listening,
you know?

793
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,880
And because we were so tired as
a band, because, you know,

794
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,640
10,000 practices and shows and
things like that, we looked at a

795
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:04,520
show as a that's.
Why?

796
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,840
I asked that question too.
We we played every day.

797
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:09,720
We either practice or we had a
gig.

798
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:11,360
OK.
Yeah.

799
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,200
And we looked at, we looked at
live shows as it's 10 practices

800
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,640
in one, because you just, I
mean, you're there in the

801
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,720
moment, right?
But he just said it a minute

802
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:21,200
ago.
We come from a different era

803
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,080
too.
Yeah, there wasn't the

804
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,520
technology, right.
Yeah, Yeah, we.

805
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,680
Had a camcorder, Jennifer, and
it was the state of that.

806
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,440
They were like other bands would
be like you guys got a

807
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,120
camcorder.
You must be rich.

808
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,840
Layaway, Layaway.
This was back in 93, right?

809
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,040
I did it layaway at this place
called Service Merchandise

810
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,240
because my wife and I were
having a baby.

811
00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:45,000
I'm like, I got to record this
life, you know.

812
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,160
So I I put on layaway for like 9
months and bought it and then

813
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:49,920
I'm like hey I can bring this to
practice now.

814
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,120
Nice.
Now we got our phones, we got

815
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,480
everything.
Yeah, that's the thing.

816
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:54,520
It's.
Convenient.

817
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:55,800
It's so easy.
Exactly.

818
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,280
Yeah.
And and and the the dynamic of

819
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,840
technology just to put her in in
a real time stamp.

820
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,280
My last band, we did a Roger
Sturgis tour in 2008.

821
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,920
There was you still had the flip
phone.

822
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,360
There was not.
You couldn't record a video.

823
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,480
I mean, you could, but it was
cheesy as all hell.

824
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:13,040
Shit.
The.

825
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,760
Pictures sucked and so none of
that was documented.

826
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,000
Some of the stuff we did in the
Sturges on stage, it sucked

827
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,480
because I mean, I would love to
have that and it's just not

828
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:23,920
there.
We did a cover of Simple Man

829
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,600
that that the second night we
were there.

830
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,040
There you need to play Simple
Man again.

831
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,040
I wish I could hear that
version.

832
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,160
Oh, I and I do too, because it
was such it was, but there's

833
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,040
nothing.
There's nothing that's that's

834
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,400
captured that because the time
wasn't there.

835
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,480
He did a.
Version real quick.

836
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,400
He did a version of Roadhouse
Blues at the Electric Ballroom

837
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,560
one night with my buddy Ray
Stone playing guitar and there

838
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,440
was a music rag at the time
called The Music Voice, and

839
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,720
there was a reporter there from
The Music Voice and they took

840
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:56,280
the time to do a write up saying
that was the best version of the

841
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,120
Roadhouse Blues I have ever
heard Outside the Doors, hands

842
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,600
down.
There is no debate.

843
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,560
That's basically what the
statement was.

844
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:03,800
And it was.
That's awesome.

845
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,400
The whole crowd was just like
moving closer to the band the

846
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,920
further they got into the song.
Nice.

847
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,000
So when he takes ownership of a
song, I believe what he says

848
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:14,280
for.
Sure.

849
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,880
Yeah, that's awesome.
I've seen it with my own eyes as

850
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,120
a.
Morrison Yeah, yeah, Morrison

851
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,080
was one of my he's one of my
when I, you know, in my music,

852
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,640
the people that I like, I
didn't, I didn't emulate them,

853
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,520
but I just, I like, watched them
and like you, Morrison.

854
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,360
Morrison made it your own.
Yeah, Morrison.

855
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,560
Morrison a lot.
So because he was a poet too.

856
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,960
And I and I grew up when I
started writing, I wanted to be

857
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,040
a writer.
I didn't want to be a rock

858
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,840
singer.
So that's just kind of how that

859
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,720
connection happened, right.
And then my other ones were

860
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:45,680
better.
And Bono, because I liked how

861
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,080
better wrote in his presence and
I liked Bono's characters and

862
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,640
things like that.
I don't know so much like Bono

863
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,840
anymore because he.
Figured out that poets were

864
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,120
broke and rock singers were
living in mansions.

865
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,200
Right.
But that's kind of how so.

866
00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:03,200
So back to my original thought
there.

867
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,960
So you've been in the music
world for how long?

868
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,120
Like when did you start?
When was the?

869
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,800
When did you get the bug?
When I, when I was 15, I got the

870
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,840
bug.
I started like taking vocal

871
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,520
lessons.
I started writing songs.

872
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,160
I started doing like talent
shows, you know, starting out

873
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:27,760
that way.
And then I kind of grew from

874
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,680
there.
I got in a bad relationship,

875
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,040
though, with someone that was
very controlling.

876
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:38,640
And so I they told me I couldn't
do this.

877
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,680
I couldn't do what I wanted to
do, basically.

878
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,360
Yeah.
So that was crazy.

879
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:48,440
So I stopped for a bit and then
thank God I got out of that and

880
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,280
made a smart choice.
And so obviously it worked out.

881
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,400
But yeah, so after that I just,
you know, full force went after

882
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:57,880
it.
I started a band.

883
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,840
I, you know, just started like
Co writing with different

884
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,560
people.
How many bands?

885
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,680
Just two.
Just two.

886
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,680
That's.
It yeah, but I, I mean I've been

887
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:15,240
blessed to Co write with like
some mirror of flyleaf in the

888
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:19,200
new song on the albums is with
him and then one of my first

889
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,720
songs with Ignace and I Co wrote
with Ben Cassica of skillet.

890
00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:26,840
He used to be in Skillet.
He's no longer in Skillet, but

891
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,840
yeah.
So I Co wrote with him and a few

892
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,960
other people.
But, you know, at first I just

893
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,720
kind of started myself like
writing and and recording

894
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:42,520
locally and then I wanted, you
know, to to grow and get better.

895
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,640
And so, yeah, I just started
reaching out to people that were

896
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,640
like professionally in the
business and Co writing with

897
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,400
them and kind of learning and
growing that way.

898
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,760
So that's, yeah, that's.
Kind of your own management or

899
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,440
do you have a manager or do you
have an agent or somebody that

900
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,680
you know guides you in the right
direction as far as your gigs?

901
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,400
And that's a lot of work too.
I used to do that for her band.

902
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,640
Yeah, I manage the band and it's
a lot of work, yes.

903
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,560
Your brain.
Another full time job.

904
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,240
Yeah, it is.
Yeah.

905
00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:15,560
I have like maybe 5 or 6 full
time jobs basically.

906
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,400
That's why I never got to get
married or have kids.

907
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,200
See.
Everybody else yeah my dream yes

908
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,840
it's a lot it's a lot and I'm
I'm booking too but I have

909
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,080
someone else helping me it's
kind of cool that's Co booking

910
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,600
together and yeah from.
Somebody who's been there, done

911
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,000
that, you're going to want to
pawn all that shit off on

912
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,200
somebody else very soon.
OK.

913
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:41,080
And here and here's why.
Because you'll burn out on the

914
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,400
creative side.
That's what happened to me.

915
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,200
I eventually had to hire a good
friend who went to school for

916
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,840
all that stuff.
Really.

917
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,080
And I said here, you know, you
do the booking, you write the

918
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,960
contracts, it's just
overwhelming.

919
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,160
It's it is.
It's a lot.

920
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,800
It's like, Jesus, I'm getting
like 1/2 a law degree here, you

921
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:58,120
know?
Yeah.

922
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,800
Yeah, I know.
I mean, it's great to learn.

923
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,520
Like I've learned so much.
So you don't get screwed.

924
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,000
Yes, yes, yes.
And I have, unfortunately, I've

925
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,880
learned the hard way, but but I
know now what I know, basically

926
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,960
I know.
So yeah, that's hard.

927
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,960
I have had a manager in the past
but it's hard to find someone

928
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,800
who's a good fit in that you
trust.

929
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,520
And just that's it.
Just keep looking until you find

930
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,520
the person that believes in you
so much.

931
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,840
Actually, you keep looking until
you find the person that

932
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,120
believes in you more than you
do.

933
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:31,440
That's what.
You're looking for.

934
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,280
I would love to find that.
That's our.

935
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,400
That would be awesome.
You found Italy, Italy, Italy

936
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,000
believes.
Yeah, that's impressive upon

937
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:39,920
itself.
True.

938
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,640
I did find out, right?
That's true.

939
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,320
If I can do that, I can find a
man, a good manager that I

940
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,800
trust.
Yeah, hopefully soon.

941
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:51,440
Yeah, you got a great sound.
Stick with you for sure.

942
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:52,520
Thanks.
You do?

943
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:53,440
I'm a fan.
Already do.

944
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,720
You get a lot of comparing to to
evanescence because of the the

945
00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:58,560
female voice dynamic and the
heaviness of it.

946
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:04,360
Yeah, I've gotten compared to
Evanescence to Flyleaf to Cyndi

947
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,080
Lauper, which is odd.
I don't know.

948
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,600
I don't quite understand that
one.

949
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,440
They didn't listen to you.
They might have looked.

950
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,720
At your hair?
Yeah.

951
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:14,680
I mean, she has an awesome
voice.

952
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:18,560
It's a compliment, but who else?
Yeah, I think those are the main

953
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,960
people.
Hailstorm.

954
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,320
A few people have said to and.
Lizzie Hail's a bomb.

955
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,400
Oh, she's amazing.
I love her.

956
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:27,280
I love her.
Yeah.

957
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,280
And such a fan of music, there's
no ego there.

958
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,880
Yeah, there isn't, which is nice
because it's hard to find some

959
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,760
time.
I think eagles are going away

960
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:41,160
with musicians because the more
the more the digital age is upon

961
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:42,240
us.
Yeah.

962
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,000
You have to tour to make money.
Snoop Dogg had a had a, had a

963
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,880
billion downloads and made 40
grand.

964
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,160
I heard something.
You have less than that.

965
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,680
Yeah, I heard something or 32
that you have to have like, I

966
00:48:53,680 --> 00:49:00,080
don't know, you got to have like
30 million streaming something

967
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,320
in order for a musician to, to,
to make it as a minimum wage.

968
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,480
Like that was the dynamic of it,
right?

969
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:07,840
It's tough, right?
So.

970
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,200
Yeah, so the days of stepping
over people and stepping on

971
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,680
people to get up that ladder, I
think they're gone because you

972
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,800
have to embrace people.
You have to, you have to

973
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,200
surround yourself with positive
people.

974
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:19,960
You have to show them how
graceful you are and how

975
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,360
appreciative you are to go from
here to go to here.

976
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,120
You need people to help you.
You just can't.

977
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,480
You know, even in our day, those
guys eventually got found out

978
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,000
about and they got sure outed,
right?

979
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,280
Oh yeah, absolutely.
You outed a couple of them on

980
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:35,400
stage.
Yeah.

981
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:41,680
You make him mad enough, he's
got no.

982
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,160
Filter, I get it.
I get it.

983
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,280
But yeah.
And then you, I mean, you got

984
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,440
the social media too.
You have to do, I mean, yeah,

985
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,520
there's so much and you do.
I mean, I would want to treat

986
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,600
people with respect anyways.
I didn't mean that in a bad way

987
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:56,840
at all.
I know those people know.

988
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,600
There's everything that.
He said every, all of them,

989
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,320
absolutely 100.
Percent so proud of him.

990
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,960
Yeah, that's awesome.
You don't, but yeah, you're

991
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,200
right.
Yeah, it's, it's tough.

992
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,240
Yeah, it is tough.
And and I mean the digital ages

993
00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:13,360
here in the social media is
here, which is great, but it's

994
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,600
so inundated that you have to
like we had, we had Joe, just

995
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:18,760
Joe.
I don't know if you follow him

996
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,120
on Instagram or not, but if you
don't, you should just type in

997
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:22,760
just Joe.
It's amazing.

998
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,520
He'll he'll take a song and
rework it.

999
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,600
He reimagines songs his own way
on the piano.

1000
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:29,720
Yeah.
Yeah, it's amazing.

1001
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,760
It's really easy to find him.
Just just Joe on Instagram,

1002
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,680
you'll see him.
He's a ball ball guy, kind of,

1003
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:39,160
you know, built muscly and and
yeah, but anyway, when COVID

1004
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,320
hit, he made this really
poignant remark when we were

1005
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,160
talking to him.
He's like, I had to find my I

1006
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:44,800
had to find my place in social
media.

1007
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,200
So his place was what he does
now, which is basically he could

1008
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,440
take one of your songs and and
listen to it like it.

1009
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,240
Then he's going to reimagine in
a cinematically A cinematic

1010
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:55,520
version.
He takes, he takes.

1011
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,960
That's one of the stuff he does.
That's one way he does it.

1012
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,640
Right, right.
There's some of the stuff he

1013
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,880
does is fantastic, like, like,
and some of something like,

1014
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,200
yeah, you can't mess with that
song Joe.

1015
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:06,640
But that's the cool thing about
Joe.

1016
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:08,680
He doesn't care and he responds
to that.

1017
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,400
He's like, I get it, man.
It's not for everybody.

1018
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:11,880
That's that's why he started
liking him.

1019
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,440
Like, like I, I kind of, I
didn't diss him, but I was like,

1020
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:15,880
yeah, that doesn't really work
for me, man.

1021
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:18,000
Yeah.
And he commented back and we had

1022
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,480
this little dialogue.
I'm like, hey, did you want to

1023
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,160
come on the show?
Nice, that's awesome.

1024
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,520
And he did.
But that's what I'm saying is

1025
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,600
there's, it's everybody we've
come across when we've been

1026
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,120
doing this now, you know, almost
a little over.

1027
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,200
We're in season 3.
So it's almost three years, four

1028
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,160
years, something.
Every musician we've talked to

1029
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,560
has been very graceful and very
cool and very humble.

1030
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,680
They're not there's no, we've
had a couple.

1031
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,840
We didn't talk to you because
one of them had lead Singer's

1032
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,480
disease, because he he had to
reschedule the show, because he

1033
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,600
had to leave his job, because
everybody there was envious of

1034
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,240
him.
And you know what I would tell

1035
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:50,480
those guys?
Here's what I would tell.

1036
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,320
Here's what I would tell this
guy, Jennifer.

1037
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:57,200
We had a Grammy nominated
producer who basically was

1038
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:02,800
responsible for the 90s sound of
rap single handedly and would

1039
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,760
never Chris drug that out of
him.

1040
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:09,040
Like he had a platinum and a
gold album hanging behind him.

1041
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,520
And Chris was like, I see you
got some hardware hanging behind

1042
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:12,680
you.
And he's like, Oh yeah, I

1043
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,280
produced some rap in the 90s.
And then he went on to tell the

1044
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:17,960
story.
It's like this guy was like a

1045
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:22,360
integral figure.
So for a guy to tell him, hey,

1046
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,600
you know, I'm too big to come on
your show.

1047
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,040
It's like.
This guy had Platinum Alps

1048
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:29,480
hanging behind him, so who are
you?

1049
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:30,880
Right.
And he?

1050
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,200
And he and he reached out to
come back on the show to promote

1051
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,600
his next single.
One of the nicest people I've

1052
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,040
ever met.
So that shows you how Lamoine

1053
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:43,200
Alexander he's, he's just a
humble human because he he rode,

1054
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,160
he rode the wave of that.
It was the Tupac error, all

1055
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,400
that, the Biggie, the Suge
Knights, all that kind of jazz.

1056
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,720
He was there in that dynamic.
So he saw it and just his long

1057
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:54,320
version of his story.
He just kind of started seeing

1058
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,160
all the bullshit climb to the
top and he kind of he just had

1059
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,000
to walk away because because it
got dark.

1060
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:00,440
Kind of like the Diddy stuff
going on.

1061
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,680
And if you like, I.
Got into it for the music, I

1062
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,240
like the beats, and then all of
a sudden people started killing

1063
00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:06,720
each other and I wasn't all
about that.

1064
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:09,240
Yeah, no, no, I, yeah.
Wow.

1065
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,080
But.
But yeah, so, so humility goes a

1066
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,160
long way, I think, in the world
of music nowadays.

1067
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,120
Because without it, you're.
And always like I.

1068
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, absolutely, Absolutely.

1069
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,040
I did a stint on iheart where I
had a radio show and anytime an

1070
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,160
artist came through, if they
weren't, if they weren't kind of

1071
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,800
following the guidelines, then I
heart would just stop playing

1072
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:28,800
them.
Guess what happened to that

1073
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,400
artist?
They're done.

1074
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,200
To the wind.
Because I heart owns everything.

1075
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,960
But if they but if they, if they
showed up and championed what I

1076
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,760
heart was doing and signed all
the autographs for 2-3 hours and

1077
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,560
played their 3-4 songs, then
they kept going down that path

1078
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,960
and they kept getting bigger and
bigger and bigger because I

1079
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,280
Heart backed them because they
put their their best foot

1080
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,320
forward and sucked it up for
three hours.

1081
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:55,840
Signing for.
Well, I think.

1082
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,040
I can speak.
I think I can speak for all

1083
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,760
three of us and say just sitting
here for this hour, we all got

1084
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,800
into music because we'd love
music.

1085
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,760
And then we treated everyone
that we were ever associated

1086
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,200
with accordingly, Right, Right.
I'm not a singer.

1087
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,680
I needed him in the I formed the
band as a band.

1088
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,520
It wasn't the Mike Michaels
experience, as bad as he wanted

1089
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,360
to name it, that.
I wouldn't name the Mike

1090
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:18,640
Michaels Band.
That's really.

1091
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,360
But it wasn't.
I wanted a 25% partnership, just

1092
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,520
like Led Zeppelin was.
I always made the joke, and it

1093
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,400
wasn't a joke.
It was a serious statement.

1094
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,600
If it's good enough for Led
Zeppelin, it's good enough for

1095
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,360
anybody, right?
Because, yeah, they wrote the

1096
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,320
Blueprint.
So they split all their

1097
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,160
royalties 25%.
And that was Jimmy's attitude.

1098
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,440
I knew I needed these guys.
I'm not a drummer.

1099
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:41,640
I'm not a bass player.
I'm.

1100
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,560
Not right.
You can't do it by yourself.

1101
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,160
Oh yeah, we all have to leave.
Nemesis would not have existed

1102
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,640
if that wasn't my front man
sitting there right in front of

1103
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,360
right.
He was the voice of the band,

1104
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:51,920
just like you're the voice of
your band.

1105
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,360
Otherwise you're an instrumental
experience, and that's a whole

1106
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,000
nother story.
Nobody wants to hear that.

1107
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,800
No, Yeah, well.
A small sliver of the possible.

1108
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,080
Small percentage of the world
wants instrumentalists.

1109
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,960
I'm one of those weirdos.
Johnny yeah, no, I agree.

1110
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,240
Like, I appreciate my bandmates.
They like work really hard.

1111
00:55:09,240 --> 00:55:13,520
I mean, they're awesome guys.
And yeah, I mean, they do a lot

1112
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,440
so.
And like you said, I mean, I,

1113
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,120
they couldn't do it without me.
I can't do it without them.

1114
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,120
We're A-Team, so I'm grateful
for that, so.

1115
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,640
Yeah, absolutely.
So where can people find all

1116
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,200
your stuff?
What are all your socials?

1117
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,840
So you can go to Ignescent music
Facebook, ignescent music

1118
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:39,560
Instagram, Ignescent on Spotify,
Ignescent music TikTok, we're,

1119
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:43,680
you know, ignescentmusic.com for
our website and then ignescent

1120
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,120
bands in town.
And I think, yeah, I think.

1121
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:48,760
That's and what's your YouTube?
Just ignescent?

1122
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,560
Ignescent.
YouTube, I think it's ignescent

1123
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:57,920
music and then there's a lot of
our new stuff on Frontiers Music

1124
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,680
SRL site to on their YouTube.
Yeah, yeah.

1125
00:56:01,720 --> 00:56:03,520
I think that's what I found on
YouTube.

1126
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,800
Is their their their website or
their YouTube channel?

1127
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,400
Yeah, but if you just type in
Ignace and it'll pop right up.

1128
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,640
OK, cool.
Right on.

1129
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,160
So thank you so much for coming
on the show today.

1130
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,160
We totally appreciate it and.
Excited.

1131
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:17,280
About, about.
Yeah.

1132
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:21,000
And, and as you get stuff dialed
in for 2026, the tour and things

1133
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,800
like that, when you're closer to
the release date, if you want to

1134
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:23,840
come back on, shoot me a
message.

1135
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,160
We'll get you back on.
So we can, we can, we can

1136
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,280
promote your tour and promote
the album release, things like

1137
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:29,200
that.
Thank you.

1138
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,160
Especially because March is, you
know, 3 1/2 months away.

1139
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,200
So we'd have no problem getting
you dialed back in.

1140
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,400
Maybe have the band, you get the
band.

1141
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,600
Come on, we can do.
All Yeah, they would love that.

1142
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,720
We can have multiple windows.
We've had four windows at once.

1143
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:43,960
OK, I didn't know.
If you do that, Devils.

1144
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,320
I think we have 5.
Do we have 5 with devils?

1145
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:47,720
OK.
'Cause they had their manager

1146
00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:49,000
with them too.
That was Yeah.

1147
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:49,880
Really.
Oh.

1148
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,160
OK, that's good to know.
Yeah, those guys.

1149
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:55,280
Are black if anyone's near well,
they don't need to be near you.

1150
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,400
They can chime in, just we'll
tell us who we'll send an e-mail

1151
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,680
to and that'd be a blast.
OK, yeah, we'll definitely do

1152
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:02,880
that next time.
That would be awesome.

1153
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,200
They would love to do that.
Then we'll get their origin

1154
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:11,000
versions, yeah.
Definitely that is true.

1155
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:13,720
Have you ever seen him
disappointed that's.

1156
00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:15,280
His old one I.
Just figured this should be

1157
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:15,720
some.
Cool.

1158
00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:19,680
No, it's OK.
No, it's one of those we love

1159
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,480
moments like that.
It's the first time for

1160
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,040
everything.
It's being funny.

1161
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,200
Yeah, yeah, it's awesome.
Normally.

1162
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,800
So again, here's the reason that
I'll let you wrap up, but

1163
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,680
normally somebody would go on
for like 25 minutes about how,

1164
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,080
and that's fine too.
Yeah, but I think he was just

1165
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,080
like blown away.
You're done.

1166
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:39,280
It's a minute.
You can't be done.

1167
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,320
Because I watched the clock,
when I asked, it was 440.

1168
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,040
She was done at 4:41.
I was like, OK, it's.

1169
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,880
Just that simple.
No, but you know, it's, I mean,

1170
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,200
it's one of those things, you
know, it's.

1171
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:51,200
Just yeah.
And.

1172
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,720
When you know, you know.
Like our original?

1173
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,520
Story is a little bit different,
but I'm not going to bore you

1174
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,640
with with that so.
We'll talk about it.

1175
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:58,960
Next time it's actually.
Yeah, we will.

1176
00:57:59,160 --> 00:57:59,640
We will.
Awesome.

1177
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,200
So again, this is the Chris and
Mike show.

1178
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,200
He's Chris.
I'm I'm he's Mike.

1179
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:05,600
I'm Chris.
This is Jennifer Benson from

1180
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:07,680
Ignescence.
Go check her out.

1181
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,480
Go buy her music.
It's it's they're going to have

1182
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,400
a banner year in 2026 already
charting.

1183
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,800
They charted a couple songs
already from the previous music,

1184
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,720
so that's something to be
excited about for them coming on

1185
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,080
a tour in 2026.
As always, if you're feeling

1186
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:22,800
sad, depressed, suicidal, don't
do it.

1187
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,280
Go scream in a pillow.
Go journal.

1188
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,200
Go write.
Go run, go work out.

1189
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,120
Go find somebody to talk to you.
If you can't find someone to

1190
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,960
talk to, text 988.
They are standing by waiting to

1191
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,000
talk you off that Cliff.
Tomorrow is a better day with

1192
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,960
you in it.
We want you to wake up because

1193
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,120
we don't want you leaving a hole
in somebody else's heart because

1194
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,600
you didn't for Chris and Mike
and Jennifer from in in essence,

1195
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,000
I I just have such a hard time
saying that I'm sorry you.

1196
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:45,880
Know you're all good.
Nothing but love.

1197
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,800
We'll see you next time.
Peace.

1198
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,440
Peace.
Thanks, Jennifer.

1199
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:51,720
You're welcome.
Love you brother.

1200
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,240
Love you too man.
Thanks for having me.

1201
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:55,840
The place