#164 - Mike Larose - All Things Music

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And we're live, ladies and
gentlemen, welcome to YouTube

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and Twitchers.
Chris will be jumping on here

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momentarily.
Hey, welcome back, Mike.

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Today we got Mike Larose, ladies
and gentlemen, coming back from

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one of the actually you were the
most listened to episode of

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2025.
Wow, yeah.

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I believe it's episode number
83.

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Don't quote me on that.
It's in the 80s somewhere, but

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when we got our year end wrap
up, you had a 329% more listen

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to episode than any other one we
did last year.

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So congratulations.
It must be my voice.

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It's a, you know, podcast voice.
I was going to say it was your

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stunning good looks and dashing,
charming personality.

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That could be that too.
I think that was a lot of it.

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No, It was a super compelling
story.

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And when I saw that I was I got
more money inside, man it it

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just made me happy because I
remember sitting there doing

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that episode and that was
everything that I had hoped for

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in this podcast as far as having
somebody that was willing other

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than Chris and I to tell their
story of, you know, seeing the

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darkest side of life and making
it through to the other side.

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So, you know, once again, we
appreciate you doing that and

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apparently it helped a lot of
people.

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So.
Yeah.

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And well, that's I think, you
know, the, the hope and the goal

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with, you know, telling a story
like that too, is that someone

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can relate and maybe get some
hope out of that if they're in a

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place, if they're in a dark
place at that time, or maybe

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they know someone that you know
who, who's going through

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something like that too.
So if anybody's interested,

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definitely go back and listen to
Mike's first episode.

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Like I said, I think it's number
83 or 88.

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But during that episode, I think
towards the end, you and I got

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to talking about music and our
passion as fans.

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Before we jumped on here, Mike
was telling me he has a very

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pedestrian knowledge of music.
Those are my favorite kind of

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people, though, because all the
music for me is like splitting

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two sides.
I got my musician friends who I

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love dearly, like Chris, you
know, shared the stage with.

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That's a different kind of
musical connection, and I love

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that.
But I think some of my favorite

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connections are with people like
yourself who just have a passion

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for music.
You know, my dad was the first

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person to introduce me to the
Doors and Led Zeppelin and the

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Eagles and The Rolling Stones.
It classic rock, you know, the

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people who started it all.
He's like, if you want to be a

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musician, listen to this.
You know this is what you want

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to hear.
Yeah, yeah.

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So I think you and I kind of, we
were kindred spirits and that we

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have a love for the that same
kind of music.

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You're wearing a Pink Floyd
shirt, I'm wearing a Led

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Zeppelin shirt.
We knew we were going to talk

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about music, but we did not plan
this.

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So that's the kind of level of
commitment to listening to music

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as an appreciation for the
artist that I think you and I

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both have.
So where did you get that

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appreciation?
Did you develop it on your own?

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Did you get it from your
parents?

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Well, yeah, so growing up, you
know, like I talked about when I

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tell my story was like we were
in the San Francisco area in the

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70s, which was a kind of the
Ground Zero for like the hippie

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movement and a lot of that rock
music that came out of of, you

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know, the psychedelic sounds of
the, you know, Grateful Dead.

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Yeah.
All those Jefferson Airplane,

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Starship, The Rolling Stones,
you know all the.

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Find Your way back is one of my
favorite for that feel of that

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era.
If if you want to know what that

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era felt like, go listen to Find
your way Back by Jefferson

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Starship.
You just, you mentioned that

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band name and that song just
popped in my head right away.

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I'd love that song.
Guitar, the vocals, everything.

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It just oozes what that era of
music felt like, you know?

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Yeah.
So I think, yeah, like my, I

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guess take away from that was
that, yeah, music's awesome.

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But like that it also was part
of the culture too.

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And which was like when I was
thinking about what we're going

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to talk about as far as like my,
like, I've always been

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interested in how music is
associated with certain cultures

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or cultural movements, you know,
and taking the 60s kind of

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hippie movement as a great
example of that and the music

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that went along with that, you
know, and, or like in the 80s,

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when I was, you know, growing up
as a teenager, it was, there was

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people who got into heavy metal
like me and we're kind of like,

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we're headbangers, you know,
like we're.

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Me too.
Yeah, so into more like the Hard

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Rock, the Iron Maiden,
Metallica, Megadeth, Judas

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Priest there, there's so many
Guns and Roses.

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Well, there's two things that
you said there, not to interrupt

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you, but there's two things that
you said there that I'd like to

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touch on.
The first one is the cultural

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movement.
And you don't know how right you

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are because I didn't know this
until I started kind of

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investigating, for lack of a
better term, how music affected

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culture, right?
It affected it so much that the

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hippies in the 60s and early 70s
had gained so much power that it

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scared Washington, DC And that
was Nixon's single biggest

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reason for enacting all these
sweeping psychedelic drug laws

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was the simple fact that the
hippies were going to be able to

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outvote his party.
Right.

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Yeah.
That's a true story.

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I mean, he's, he's on tape there
in the Watergate tapes, quoted

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as saying we got to do something
about these goddamn hippies.

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Yeah, right, right.
They're yeah, they're becoming a

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threat to what what the the
government wanted to get done.

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And, you know, all these these
people protesting and, you know,

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burning draft cards or, you
know, all the different things

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they're doing civil rights, you
know, and was just, it was

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counterculture, right?
It was counter to the mainstream

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culture.
So and that, yeah, you're right.

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Yeah.
That I've read about that too,

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is how, you know, LSD,
psilocybin, things like that,

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once they became the, the
government targeted those drugs

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to put a damper on that, that
movement, you know, that

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counterculture movement.
And then the same thing happened

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in the 80s when you and I were
teenagers, just on a different

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level, where they had what they
called the Satanic Panic, right?

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Where Tipper Gore got involved
and you ended up with the PMRC,

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the Parents Music Resource
Center.

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You know, it got so ridiculous
that it ended up in front of the

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Supreme Court, where Dee Snyder
and.

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Oh yeah.
There was a few rockers that

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went there and actually, you
know, put on a suit and said,

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hey, you know, we're not Rob
Halford from Judas Priest.

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He ended up in court because a
kid committed suicide over

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beyond the realms of death.
Yeah, yeah.

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So they blamed it on because
he's, well, he cited that music

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in his note or he was listening.
To something, he was listening

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to it when he committed suicide.
I think Ozzy ended up in the

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same situation over suicide
solution.

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Which if you listen to the
lyrics, Chris and I have talked

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about it on the show numerous
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It's an anti drinking song
right?

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Wine is fine, but whiskey's?
Yeah, wine is fine, but

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whiskey's quicker.
Yeah.

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Slow to death or something about
he knows the lyrics but it's

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yeah basically saying hey keep
drinking you're going to die,

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right?
It's an anti suicide song or an

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anti liquor song, but the same.
My point is the same thing

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happened in the 80s where, you
know, they tried to convince us

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that music was a gateway to the
devil and all it did was sell

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more records because Mike and
Mike went to whatever record

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store and we leafed through the
bins till we found that sticker

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and went this is going to be
cool.

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Yeah.
Right.

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Yeah, you wanted the one with
that profanity or whatever,

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right?
Yeah, the devil horns or

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whatever.
Yeah, well, I think that's, you

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know, like with punk and heavy
metal and those kind of that

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kind of music that started in
the the I guess the late 70s,

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mid late 70s and the 80s for
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It was like in like with Ozzy
too, like always kind of

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pushing, pushing the, the
envelope for the, you know what,

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what is taboo or, you know,
what's really going to upset

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some people And like being in.
So when I was I, I was going to

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church when I was a teenager,
they would talk about that stuff

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too.
Like that.

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Yeah.
Like these these bands are, are

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Satanists or, you know, and
they're and you should listen to

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Christian music.
And then like we have Striper

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here, which is a Christian band
and they don't, you know,

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they're they don't do any of
that, that bad stuff.

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And Striper was actually pretty
good as far as they were like a

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heavy metal band.
Oz Fox is a great guitar player,

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Michael Sweets a great guitar
player in his own right, and

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he's a great songwriter.
They're one of the they were one

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of the examples, Mike, that I I
use, as you know, of course, my

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heavy metal buddies, they would
make I'll back up a second.

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The one thing that I always had
going for me is I can play a

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guitar, right?
So all I had to do was pick it

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up and do what I did when you
logged on here, right.

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Like I'll just play you some
music and you can decide how

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much you want to make fun of me.
But I like, I literally like

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everything that doesn't suck,
right?

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I think you and I are in the
same boat.

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If it's got a good beat and it's
got a good rhythm, I don't care

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what genre music it is.
That's for what I like to call

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the layman, you know, the
average person.

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I wouldn't even put you in that
category.

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I think that basically in a
nutshell, what were what we're

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looking for is to not music
shouldn't be a competition,

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right?
That's why I got into it in the

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first place.
I love sports, but at the end of

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the day, it shouldn't be a
competition.

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And who cares what genre is, you
know, if if a guy is playing

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Christian rock and that's what
makes him happy.

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I finally remembered my point.
If you can't tell, I fumble fuck

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my way all the way back there.
But.

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Yeah, no.
Problem who cares what kind of

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music it is you know if that's
what makes that guy happy, then

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that's the point of music is to
be happy My mom listens to music

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that makes her happy that would
drive me nuts you know she's

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probably like what?
But that's what makes her happy.

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You know, that's the point of
music is there's enough kinds of

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it that everybody's got
something that they get to

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enjoy.
But what kills me is when all of

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a sudden it becomes an argument
about and not even an argument.

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Like let's say that you were
that kind of person that you

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found out that I like Britney
Spears, you know, whether I

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whether I do or I don't.
And then you're like, well, come

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on, dude.
What?

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What the fuck, man?
You listen to Britney Spears?

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What?
What are you?

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Were you gay?
You know?

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Yeah, you're lame.
Or just lame.

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Because we grew up in the same
era.

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Do you you remember those guys?
Well, yeah, so, yeah, growing up

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like so high school is like
there was the, you know, you

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have your cliques or your
crowds, whatever.

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So as a headbanger, I would not
listen to Depeche Mode or the

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the Thompson Twins or, you know,
all that.

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They have this whole slew of
kind of like preppy type bands.

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There's another name for it.
I, you probably know, like that

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kind of that genre, I guess,
but.

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Well, back then it was just pop.
Right, Pop.

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Yeah, it was more pop, I guess.
Yeah, it would have been Top 40.

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Yeah, yeah, all those.
So like, I would not listen to

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those just by reason of that.
Like that's not cool to me.

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Like so I yeah, like.
So you were that guy?

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Yeah, at that time I was for
sure I was thinking about that.

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When you said that, I was like,
yeah, like I've always been open

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minded to genres.
But really as a teenager I

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wasn't though.
And that was like, because like

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the group, my friend group,
we're in a rock and heavy metal

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and we didn't, we're not going.
To and of course being a heavy

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metal guitar or a rock guitar
player, Chris hates it when I

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call it heavy metal.
But basically we were a rock

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band.
I was writing rock and metal

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riffs under his kind of rock
styling voice.

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He he had more of a Southern
rock kind of 10 tendency to his

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voice.
So I guess, you know, that's

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what lend us to the rock edge.
But I was just like you, man.

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The music that I gravitated
towards was Iron Maiden, Judas

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Priest, Metallica, Megadeth,
Deep Purple, Black Sabbath.

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Those were the bands that I
loved.

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Aerosmith for.
Sure.

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Oh, for sure.
Anything that had a bit of an

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edge to it, right?
Yeah.

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But Aerosmith was the first
concert I went to.

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I think I was about 15 when I
was a couple friends and or we

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lit up a joint.
We had pretty good seats and we

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lit up a joint and I was like,
holy shit.

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Like this is like it took me to
a whole another place, you know,

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like I was like, OK, yeah, like
this is this is something I

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like.
Yeah.

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So it just like I felt like my
universe just.

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What year was that mic so I can
figure out what tour?

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It was, well that would be 85.
I think it was the done with

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mirror tours maybe?
That was it.

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Kind of when they're just coming
back out of like addiction and

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rehab, I think maybe for the
first time, but I think at that

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time they'd already been to
rehab.

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I'm not sure, but I think that's
kind of like and they they went

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a couple times, I know, but like
that was maybe when they first

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tried it.
Yeah, I think that was their

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first go around with it.
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So, and I, Steven Tyler really
made an impression on me at that

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time.
Like I really felt like he

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really connected with the
audience in a, in an amazing

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way.
And then a couple years later I

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actually, I was in Chicago and I
had a job driving horse and

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carriage downtown Chicago and
I'm, I'm driving the carriage

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long.
I don't know if I told you guys

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this story before, but I've
driving the carriage along

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Michigan Ave. making some mile
downtown and I, I see this like

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4 guys walking along and what
they look like just like had a

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group of head bangers And I'm
like looking a little closer and

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I'm like holy shit that's
Aerosmith.

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So I, I got done with my ride
and I went over towards the Ritz

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Carlton as I saw him walking
down there and I caught up with

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them and I said hey you guys
want a, a free carriage ride.

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And Steven Tyler turned around
and shook my hand and said, no,

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maybe some other time.
And and they kept going to the

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hotel.
But that was, you know, I

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thought that was really cool
that he was.

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That's awesome.
Yeah, that he did that.

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Welcome, Chris Dunham.
Thank you.

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Because we're on the subject.
So my first concert was Poison,

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right?
It was, it was cool.

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Mike.
His first concert was the Done

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With Mirrors Tour.
Aerosmith.

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Oh, wait on.
I know Chris has told this story

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before, but because we're
talking music and this is one of

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the best rock'n'roll, not
rock'n'roll concert experiences

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I've ever heard, Poison.
No.

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Tell the audience who your first
concert was and try and do the

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story justice.
Because I laughed my ass off,

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OK?
So, so obviously, Mike, you're

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married to Chris.
So this is what the Rodarte

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family, Tony, myself.
And then the piles.

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I don't know if you probably
remember the piles.

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Cherry, Cherry.
Yeah, I just saw them recently

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at their Yeah Christmas.
Yeah, so, so the piles.

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Allen got tickets to a concert
at the Madhouse.

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I'm like down in Phoenix.
Which is better?

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More to Coliseum.
We got to be like, I don't know,

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10-11 years old somewhere around
there.

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Maybe.
I don't.

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I'd have to look at the year.
But so my first actual true

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concert experience was meant at
work, which a lot of people, ah,

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meant at work.
You know, that's great, man.

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Yeah.
Here's the problem.

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We're about probably 20 minutes
into the show, right?

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They stopped the concert.
The band does.

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They turn on all the house
lights.

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And between the drum riser and
the and the front of the stage,

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they drop this giant map.
And I'm not kidding you.

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It's a giant map.
Like, you know, Colin Hay takes

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out a pointer and starts
educating us all on where

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Australia is.
That was my first concert ever.

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And then and then, you know,
later in life, I ended up seeing

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real rock'n'roll, but that was
my first true experience to a

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concert.
Of a rock band.

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When he told that story the
first time at the end, he was

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like, if this is rock'n'roll, I
don't like it.

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It was, it was just like, what
the hell.

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Like really?
I don't need a geography lesson,

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man.
That's just.

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The first thought that popped in
my head when Mike.

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Was talking what about the
Vegemite sandwich?

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Yeah, he called the Vegemite
sandwich.

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Jake Jake had a Vegemite
sandwich when he was in

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Australia.
When he was in Japan, he won.

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They, they got on a he got on a
ship for deployment and and went

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to Australia and, and legit man,
he had a Vegemite sandwich that

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it's disgusting.
He'll never eat it again.

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Never, never, ever.
Yeah.

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That's cool, sorry I'm late.
Sold the house though, so that's

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a good thing all.
Right.

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Congrats.
That's what I told.

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You a good way to start off your
day, huh?

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Yeah, second day of the year,
you know, no complaints.

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When that's how you make your
living, you got to go when duty

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calls.
Right, right.

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So what else were you guys
talking about that I missed?

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We basically just started off,
yeah, just talking about music.

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And somehow we got talking about
first concerts and oh, we're.

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I asked him what got him into
music.

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Oh yeah.
Like we ever round that out.

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Was it your?
Yeah, I think like growing up in

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that culture that I grew up in
or in the 70s with the hippies

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and the the.
Hippies, yeah.

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There were music festivals.
I remember going to music

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festivals.
I don't remember the bands that

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we listened to really, but I,
Janis Joplin lived down the

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street from us at one point
apparently, like we're right in

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the thick of it.
So there wasn't, you know, I

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remember being exposed to that
personally.

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I didn't really start, I guess,
listening to music or getting

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into music more on my own tells,
like probably 14 or 15.

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Right, which everybody so.
Looking back on that, Mike, what

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was that like living in San
Francisco during that time?

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I know you weren't aware of it
at the time because nobody's

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aware of their surroundings and
what's going on.

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But looking back on it, what was
that like being a kid during

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that time, being in the melting
pot of what became popular

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culture?
Yeah, well, it was exciting.

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I remember, you know, and it
was, I remember like just like

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the atmosphere or the, the vibe,
the, the culture was very, it

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seemed like there was a lot of
energy, you know, like good

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energy that was not in only in
the music, but in like these.

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The lifestyle.
Yeah, like the ideas they had

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for for this cultural movement,
you know, that was, I guess

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you'd call the hippie movement.
But you know, like that there

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was a lot of, you know, that's a
free love and stuff like that

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too.
But there was like this, this

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like kind of brotherhood, I
guess you would say, like your

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feeling too like, and even as a
young kid I felt like I was

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included in that, which was
nice, you know?

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So yeah, it was.
It's the concept.

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Nobody's left behind, right?
So if if your neighbor needed

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something, you would step up if
you had the ability to help

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them.
Right.

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Yeah, yeah.
More like, yeah, communal kind

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of brother.
Yeah, yeah, there you go.

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Like the main reason I.
Brought that up, Chris, was that

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conversation first led to Nixon
enacting these sweeping

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psychedelic drug laws, right?
Oh and then that led to the 80s

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with the PMRC and the Satanic
Panic.

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But it also led to we were going
in a direction of free love.

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We all became, you know, we
realized we needed each other.

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To your point, we were helping
each other.

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Then they took away the
psychedelics and all of a

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sudden, cocaine took over.
And it was.

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Oh yeah.
Basically balls to the wall.

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Yeah.
I mean, the whole popular

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culture changed to another
movement, right?

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It wasn't the same anymore.
Sure, Yeah.

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And I think that, you know, when
you look at the drugs that were

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associated with the particular
and music too, like that also

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had an impact on the music, you
know what I mean?

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Is that.
Yeah.

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And that's, yeah, that's mostly
my point.

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Think about the kind of music
you were listening to when it

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was Free Love, and then think
about the kind of music you were

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listening to when it was
cocaine, and then think about

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the kind of music you were
listening to in the 90s when

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heroin and opiates took over.
Yeah.

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Yeah, no shit.
I never thought of it that way.

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That's a that's a brilliant.
Thing got into the grime scene

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out of Seattle with the the
heroin and the depression and

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yeah.
Like teenage angst, the world

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was me angst.
Yeah.

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Whether that's a whether that's
calculated somewhere

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subliminally or whether that's a
byproduct, I don't know.

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But each each cultural movement
has definitely had their own

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music based on the drugs they
were doing.

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I think it would be a byproduct
because I don't I don't know how

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you could consciously make a
decision.

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OK, now we're going to we're
going to get out of the pot and

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free love.
We're going to go start, you

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know, cocaine and then and then
you know what I mean?

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I I just think it, it evolved
kind of like how music evolved,

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right?
You have the hair metal, then

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you go in the grunge.
So I think it just a great

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organic, I would say that
organically just evolved.

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Yeah, I tend to agree with that
for.

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Sure, but Mike lived in the in
the era.

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So did it evolve like that?
Mike, did you?

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Do you remember when it went
from free love to to to 8 balls?

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Well, that's interesting because
it did like I moved to the

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Midwest and what about 79
probably so yeah.

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So at that time, like things
were changing, right.

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And the, the, that movement is
kind of pretty died out, you

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know, and the hippies were like
cashing it, you know, they were

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all like wanting to.
Get.

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Careers and and and property and
and money that you know, so

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they, they realize, you know,
there's a big shift there.

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I think too is also like, I
think, can you see the 80's?

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The economics too are also part
of it too, right?

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Where suddenly there's, I think,
more interest in making money

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too, right?
Like and making a lot of money,

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you know, and like Wall Street,
you know, and greed is good and

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that kind of thing, you know?
And that kind of like the fast

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and hard music and the cocaine
all kind of went along with that

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too, I think.
I never liked fast and hard

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music.
She'll don't to this day.

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The hardest.
The hardest and fast.

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I'll listen to his Metallica.
Some of the stuff that Mike

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likes, I'd never touch that.
That mic over there, not the mic

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in the middle.
Right, right.

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Yeah, like in the middle isn't
there is not a show too.

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Yeah, probably Malcolm.
Malcolm in the Middle.

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Yeah.
See.

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It'd be funnier.
Yeah, it'd be funnier if they're

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supposed to be rebooting that
too.

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I don't know if that's true or
not.

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They better do it justice cause
the first one was hilarious.

448
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,200
Well, they're bringing, from
what I saw on that they're

449
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,600
bringing, it's the original
cast.

450
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,840
Oh, they're just bringing them.
Good.

451
00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:13,480
Yeah, they're just bringing them
back as, you know, kind of like

452
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,520
how there's that, that innuendo
forever about Home Alone making

453
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,480
another one where Kevin's a
grown up now.

454
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,440
Yeah.
Which I think would be

455
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:22,600
hilarious, but they would if
they.

456
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,840
I don't, I don't know if they're
ever going to really do it, you

457
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,800
know, especially now that
Reiner's dead.

458
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,920
Wasn't Rob Reiner part of that?
He was right.

459
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,000
Home alone.
Yeah, John Hughes, John Hughes

460
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,000
and Reiner, they were part of
it.

461
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,640
Yeah.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

462
00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:40,200
So on that subject, since he
brought it up, how?

463
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,120
I don't know how to ask this, I
guess.

464
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,640
How heavy of music do you listen
to, Mike?

465
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,840
So I don't listen to like speed
metal or like real like thrash

466
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:55,360
speed metal, you know, I'll get
into like maybe some Danzig or

467
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,440
something like that.
See, now I would call Danzig

468
00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:59,760
groove metal, right?
It's.

469
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:00,400
Not.
Groove.

470
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,800
Yeah.
Groove metal.

471
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,600
OK.
I never got into Danzig, man.

472
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,440
I couldn't.
I like that song Mother, just

473
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,800
because it was dark.
But.

474
00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:10,440
Listen to the Twist of Kane.
I've heard twist of Kane.

475
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,160
I've heard Twist of Kane.
Or a bullet for my Valentine, I

476
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,080
think.
Is that or?

477
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'd put that on sometimes just

478
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,920
to like rock out in the car or
something.

479
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,680
But yeah, yeah.
Typically it's more like Iron

480
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,160
Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth
would be like as the hardest

481
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,000
metal.
I'd probably go for it, but.

482
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,400
You never got into Pantera.
Not really, no.

483
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,280
Yeah, I didn't either.
See, I'm on Pantera.

484
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,360
Yeah.
I think seeing them twice

485
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:39,360
helped.
Yeah.

486
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,240
You know, being at the concert
and understanding what their

487
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,640
message was, you know, what are
you trying to get across?

488
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:46,920
What are they?
What were they trying to get

489
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,520
across, Mike?
Just sheer aggressive, tight.

490
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,720
They were the tightest band I
ever saw.

491
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,400
If they made a mistake, I never
heard it.

492
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,640
Wow.
Yeah, they, well, they, I know

493
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,160
that I was like, I'd hear about
them and people, they seem to

494
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,880
have like a good following, I
think.

495
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,800
But I think there was actually
someone here local in Phoenix

496
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,720
who was in that band at one
point, but that I ran into in

497
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,800
the recovery community.
But.

498
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,600
Was it Carrie King Pantera?
No.

499
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,560
Is that that's not Carrie King.
He was and.

500
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:20,480
Slayer.
Slayer.

501
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,640
That's right.
OK, Don't hate me.

502
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:23,840
Don't hate me.
I could.

503
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,480
Be wrong in that too.
It might have been an or maybe

504
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,960
it was faster Pussycat maybe I
was thinking of.

505
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:31,240
Take me down.
Could be.

506
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,280
I don't remember the name.
Yeah, I don't.

507
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,840
Remember the name?
I actually just saw a clip of

508
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,640
them, Mike, from New Year's Eve
or the night before.

509
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,680
They sounded really good.
So that guy got his life back

510
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:42,960
together.
I don't know if you know this.

511
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,360
His girlfriend, I think she was
either murdered or committed

512
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:49,720
suicide on a cruise ship.
Look that up, Chris.

513
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,600
Oh, what's her?
What's his name?

514
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,240
You spell it TAIME.
TNIME.

515
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:58,040
Down.
Oh, it's there.

516
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,360
It is.
American musician.

517
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,240
Yeah, his girlfriend died on a
cruise ship under mysterious

518
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,160
circumstances not that long ago.
The fiance of Faster Pussycats

519
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,320
lead singer Tammy Down has died
after going overboard on an 80s

520
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,960
themed Royal Caribbean cruise,
according to her family.

521
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,240
Kimberly Bush, 56, fell from the
ship after an argument went

522
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,080
down, her mother Carol Bunch,
told TMZ.

523
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,520
Fell.
Fell from the ship.

524
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:24,520
Fell.
From the ship.

525
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,520
It's kind of difficult to fall
off a cruise ship, but maybe if

526
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,800
you're really drunk and you're
leaning over the ledge or

527
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,000
something, I don't know.
But that's the thing with the

528
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,560
cruise ship desk too, is like I
sold cruises once years ago, but

529
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:38,840
they're.
Like surprising.

530
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,120
What happened?
I done but so they they these

531
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,480
cruise ship desks, they try to
keep them kind of under wraps

532
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,800
right out of the media because
that, you know, obviously it's a

533
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,000
bad press.
But but yeah, like they it

534
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,640
happens though.
They people disappear and fall

535
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,760
overboard and there's really
nothing like in it.

536
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,040
There's some Gray areas as far
as like law enforcement of who's

537
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:05,520
you.
Know right, because you're in

538
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,960
the water, you're in the water
that's especially.

539
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,680
Yeah, or you're.
International in the water.

540
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:10,720
Yeah.
Yeah.

541
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,800
So there's there She was.
I don't know if that's sad

542
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,120
that's follow that's yeah.
OK.

543
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,880
So there it is inside our crew
immediately launched a search

544
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,200
and rescue effort and working
with local authorities and

545
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,960
providing support and assistance
to the guests families during

546
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,960
the difficult time to respect
privacy guests.

547
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,560
We have no other additional
details.

548
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,880
I can see it's probably because
of the collagen and ellipse.

549
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,240
You just like had it like I'm
done with fake lips.

550
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,160
Yeah, yeah.
You know.

551
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,240
Maybe the maybe the boobs or the
lips, I don't know.

552
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,960
Yeah.
Stop doing that.

553
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,360
It's not nobody wakes up so I
want a chick with.

554
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,200
College, like, yeah, like if we
get a divorce, she's taking half

555
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,760
my money, so that's not going
to.

556
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,920
Were they married or was it just
a girlfriend?

557
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:56,920
I think it was his girlfriend,
but.

558
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,480
Yeah, no, they were saying
girlfriend.

559
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,200
They were saying girlfriend.
It wasn't dumb.

560
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,040
It wasn't dumb.
No fiance.

561
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,080
He was his fiance.
Yeah, fiance.

562
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,480
Oh, OK.
Oh, March 2nd.

563
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:10,280
Wow.
Two days before my.

564
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:11,800
Birthday.
It was probably a tragic

565
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,880
accident.
I mean, I don't think most

566
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,200
people get on a cruise with the
intention of dumping their

567
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:17,960
fiance.
Over.

568
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,840
No, But no, no, you don't wake
up.

569
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,880
You don't wake up on a Tuesday
and say, oh, you know, I'm gonna

570
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,640
do today.
Unless you're still a killer.

571
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,440
I think there there was AI know
we're joking around, but there

572
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,120
was a lot of people who were
joking around in a not funny

573
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,360
way.
And I'm pretty sure he wasn't

574
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,400
anywhere near where it happened.
And that's where the story

575
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,800
eventually came out that he just
read where she had a fight with

576
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,360
her mother, right?
Yeah.

577
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:43,480
Or his.
Yeah, with.

578
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:44,920
With.
With his mother, Yeah.

579
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,240
With him and his mother, Yeah.
Yeah.

580
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,600
Well, and there's, you know, I
mean, she could have Peter

581
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,560
panned off the deck, too,
because you can Peter, pan off

582
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,280
those things.
It's not that hard to climb over

583
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,440
and go.
No, Yeah, that's what you're

584
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,840
trying to do, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, and, and, and by

585
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,320
the time somebody saw you up
there, it's too late.

586
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,480
I mean, when one of the last
cruise we went on, we figured

587
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,120
out how to do a 5K on the on the
ship.

588
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,640
Like I think it was the 7th.
The 7th what?

589
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,640
A 7th floor.
You go all the way around the

590
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,760
perimeter and there were plenty
of spots to just grab the rail

591
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,920
and go woo, see ya.
Obviously I didn't do that, you

592
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,000
know, But if you're gonna, if
you want to kill yourself,

593
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,000
you're going to kill yourself.
Yeah.

594
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,760
Or you could maybe like if you
wanted to do a disappearing act,

595
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,240
like if you're, especially if
you're in the Caribbean, the

596
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,720
water is pretty warm.
So you could like jump

597
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,280
overboard, have someone pick you
up on a little boat.

598
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,640
Do a DB.
Cooper Yeah, yeah, A.

599
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,320
Little escape from Alcatraz
action too right There's because

600
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:39,880
they never found those bodies
either.

601
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,200
Right.
Yeah, that's a.

602
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,800
So that's a good idea.
So basically you, you, you have

603
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,440
everything set up in the
Caribbean, new identity and you

604
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,200
just find yourself off the ship.
You get picked up by a little

605
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,080
boat that takes you back to the
wherever and then you get all

606
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,280
your new identity and you get on
with your life.

607
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,800
Yeah, yeah.
Interesting.

608
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,880
Yeah, that's a.
Creed did that.

609
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,200
Creed Bratton did that.
Every time he had a struggling

610
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,960
life, he would just reinvent
himself.

611
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,160
Yeah.
Change his name and everything.

612
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,400
Or no, no, he just, yeah, he
transferred debt.

613
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,080
He would, he would find somebody
who was dead and then he would

614
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,880
transfer all his debt to them
and and then, you know, start

615
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,360
life over again.
That's going to be my goal for

616
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,600
2026.
You know who Creed Bratton is,

617
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,440
right?
I don't.

618
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,360
Know OK, hold on.
It's it's some of my weirdness

619
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,840
of of conversation.
It's like we we talk about this

620
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,880
family all the time in Chicago.
The the Gallagher's.

621
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:41,480
Remember the Gallagher's.
Frank Fiona.

622
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,640
You know, Creed, man, It's
Creed.

623
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,520
The Office.
Yeah.

624
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,720
Yeah, OK.
Yeah, see Creed.

625
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:51,840
Now here's a funny story about
Creed.

626
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,200
OK, about the Office.
They didn't write for him at

627
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,680
all.
Everything he did on the show

628
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,080
was adlib.
He had absolutely no script.

629
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,640
He had no script.
Was all improv.

630
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,320
All improv.
And he was actually a musician

631
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:05,880
in the 60s.
That's crazy.

632
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,520
Yeah.
And he's actually a touring.

633
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,160
He was a touring musician in the
60s.

634
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,880
Like, legit, the guy's crazy.
And his real name is Creed

635
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,960
Bratton.
That's that's what's crazy about

636
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,000
it.
Here it is to tell you that.

637
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:19,760
Yeah.
Yeah.

638
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,520
So Creed Bratton, born William
Charles Schneider for in

639
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,080
February 8th, 1943, American
acting musician, former member

640
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,200
of the rock band Grassroots.
But he's best known for paying

641
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,040
the fictionalized, fictionalized
version of himself on the NBC

642
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:38,040
comedy The Office.
But yeah, he actually he, yeah,

643
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,120
the travel musician, global
excursion, traveled to Europe,

644
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,520
Africa, Middle East, played
guitar with the large folk

645
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,920
festivals in Israel, pairing
with this group, the Young

646
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,000
Californians that eventually
evolved into where he got into

647
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,600
the Grassroots.
He was a member of the

648
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,720
grassroots.
Yeah, he Yep, he was.

649
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:02,640
He was in 1965 was created, goes
on and talk about the grassroots

650
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,280
tops, top songwriters, offering,
you know, all the different

651
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,880
things, the songs he was in the
involved in the Wrecking Crew,

652
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,320
the bunch of LA studio
musicians.

653
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:16,760
He was one of those for a while.
That's a great documentary if

654
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,320
you've never seen that.
Yeah.

655
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,960
Oh yeah.
Really good documentary.

656
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,000
What's it called The wrecking?
The Wrecking Crew, it's it's

657
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,320
it's back in back like Sinatra
era.

658
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,760
I basically is where I guess you
would.

659
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,320
Call the way through the 60s.
Yeah, the you'd have, you'd have

660
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,840
like Rolling Stones using my
prime example because they were

661
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,120
one of them.
They'd they'd come in and and

662
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,800
Jagger would be singing, but
they would have studio musicians

663
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,239
putting the everything together
and then the band would learn

664
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,960
all the music and then go on the
road and tour.

665
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,600
So they didn't aside from the
singer, nobody was in that was

666
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,719
in the band was actually in the
studio during that era.

667
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:50,440
They had.
There were.

668
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,480
Certain bands that couldn't
perform in the studio, so these

669
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,199
guys would basically play all
the instruments and then the

670
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:58,400
band would go out and play the
songs live.

671
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,280
They weren't good enough to get
it in one take or two takes.

672
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,080
Or you know, we're talking back
when they were recording only

673
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,120
four tracks, so they didn't have
all these overdubs that they

674
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,360
could do.
You had to be pretty much

675
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,080
perfect.
And the whole band was playing

676
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,200
in the same room.
So they had these people who

677
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,920
were just killers, you know,
they could go in and in one

678
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,160
take, they would read the chart
one time and they would play the

679
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,040
song and.
Yeah, people are just more

680
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,360
studio musicians and don't
actually perform with the band

681
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,640
or who were, but they're still
really good.

682
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,880
Like, was I thinking of
Buckethead?

683
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,600
Yeah, who's amazing guitarist,
but like, well, he performs I

684
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,280
guess by himself, but he's not
like, yeah, his.

685
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,080
Problem is he is a complete
introvert, that's why he has

686
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,160
that whole get up.
Yeah.

687
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,200
He never.
I just read an article about him

688
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,920
not that long ago.
He has horrible stage fright.

689
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,360
That's where the mask comes
from.

690
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:58,200
That's where.
Oh really?

691
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,080
Fried chicken bucket came from?
Wow, and I didn't know this.

692
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,040
He's 6 foot 7.
Oh God.

693
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,400
Oh, is he that tough?
Wow, that's huge.

694
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,400
Yeah.
So he's kind of feels awkward

695
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,000
and self-conscious from him.
Yeah.

696
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,040
But talk about one of the
greatest guitar players to ever

697
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,680
pick up the instrument.
Holy crap.

698
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,600
He hits.
He invents scales and notes that

699
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,560
I didn't know could fit into a
composition.

700
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,480
Yeah, the the Wrecking Crew is
on Netflix mic because it was it

701
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,600
was in 2008.
I'm trying to find a little

702
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,400
description of it just but
everything I I'm clicking.

703
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,120
On I think I've maybe seen the
the, you know, seeing that

704
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,480
there, but didn't really look
into it as far as looking at.

705
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,680
More, it's definitely worth
watching for sure.

706
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:42,000
Yeah, and they basically, one of
the things that I'm, I'm I just

707
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,640
pulled up the document yourself.
They basically were involved in

708
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:51,440
throughout the 60s and 70s, like
the beats boys used the wrecking

709
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,920
crew.
Yep, like the the singer would

710
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,360
go in, but then the beats Glen
Campbell used the wrecking crew,

711
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,160
the monkeys used the wrecking
crew.

712
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,960
It it's amazing the amount of
people that actually just used

713
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,640
the crew.
They were the really I'm trying

714
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,000
to find the picture of them
because the the the bass player

715
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,560
was a chick man and she was just
bad ass dude.

716
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,680
Like just like watching the
document.

717
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,520
I was like, holy shit, this
chick just is is amazing.

718
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:17,880
I.
Wish I could remember her name.

719
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,600
I just read an article about her
too a couple days ago.

720
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,160
Well, that's what I'm trying to
find because they're not showing

721
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:28,560
any, any of them that it's just
it's talking about the

722
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:29,960
documentary and that kind of
jazz.

723
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,520
But it's not, it's not, it's not
dropping the people.

724
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,480
It's just, you know, commenting
on the movie itself.

725
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,840
It's like they're not pulling up
the the images of the actual

726
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,120
wrecking crew members.
It's just a wrecking crew.

727
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,000
Let's see if it's let's see what
this one is.

728
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,360
So this this this is a picture
of them in the studio.

729
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,440
The crazy thing is, is behind
the scenes, the American public

730
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,680
didn't know any of this was
going on, obviously.

731
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,480
Right.
So that's that's a picture of

732
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,440
the Wrecking Crew.
So all those are hired musicians

733
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:11,240
playing on somebody's somebody's
album in the 60s and 70s.

734
00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:13,520
Because the one, the other thing
I read it went through the 60s

735
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:14,840
and 70s.
They were legit.

736
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,480
That's what they were doing.
They would the singer would come

737
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,840
in and everybody else would be
studio musicians, session

738
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,000
musicians.
What do you want to call?

739
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,480
Them.
It's pretty, pretty crazy.

740
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:33,360
Well, then you got those
certain, I guess, stars that are

741
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,840
able to play all the musicians
too, like Prince are the

742
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,800
instruments like, yeah, Prince
or Phil Collins from Phil

743
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,920
Collins, Billy Corgan.
Yeah, Like they'll they'll go

744
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,760
into the studio and they'll play
all the instruments themselves.

745
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:48,640
Yeah.
Pretty amazing.

746
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,640
Yeah, which is cool.
Yeah.

747
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:58,880
I came across that solo that
that Prince did again on the the

748
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,720
week after he got snubbed from
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

749
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:01,320
We talked about that.
I.

750
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,240
Think you posted that on
Instagram, didn't you?

751
00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:05,080
Yeah, I.
Came across as I put it up

752
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,440
again.
Yeah, that's amazing.

753
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,360
I know that Prince is probably
the baddest guitar player to

754
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,440
ever pick up the instrument.
Yeah.

755
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,800
According to the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame, he was not even in

756
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,480
the top 100, so he showed them.
He just proved that like checked

757
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,080
this shit out and that was right
off top of his head.

758
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,360
It wasn't.
That was just that.

759
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,440
Was an improv solo.
Yeah.

760
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,000
It's like watch this shit.
Yeah, he was.

761
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,000
Here's another musical genius,
you would say.

762
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:29,880
Probably right?
Like.

763
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,240
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.

764
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:32,960
Like if he lived on another
universe.

765
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,160
Couple 100 years ago he would
have been a Mozart or a, you

766
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,640
know, Beethoven or something,
but.

767
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,600
Here's a funny Prince story.
So Weird Al for years wanted to

768
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:47,320
do Prince's music, and even
though he didn't have to, he

769
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,120
asked every artist's permission.
He did not have to, but he felt

770
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,880
weird if they didn't accept it.
Prince always told him no.

771
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,920
So they both got put up for a
Grammy and they both got put up

772
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:02,880
in the same row, right?
Oh, oh, that's funny.

773
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,320
So he gets a letter from
Prince's manager that says don't

774
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,520
look Prince in the eye.
And everybody in the row got the

775
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,400
same letter, right?
It wasn't just Weird.

776
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,600
Al Prince was just, I'm telling
you, he lived in a precious

777
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:16,800
universe.
He did.

778
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,960
He did.
So Weird AL's like, not only did

779
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,000
he keep dissing me and not
letting me use a song, but then

780
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,680
I, you know, get put up for a
Grammy and we're in the same row

781
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,160
and I can't shake his hand or
anything.

782
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:31,880
I can't even look at him.
Yeah, eye contact, yeah, I, I

783
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,400
think he's not the only
position.

784
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,080
I think Bob Dylan was like that
too, Like, yeah, don't what?

785
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,680
Meet people or have eye contact
or.

786
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:47,120
I just, I think that's dumb.
It is dumb and I guess the

787
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:52,200
reason that I would defend
Prince is at least he was a fan

788
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,480
of music and he was very
appreciative of other musicians,

789
00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:00,160
where Bob Dylan has been quoted
many times as hating other music

790
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,160
and the only reason that he was
happy that people covered his

791
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,760
music is because it made him
money.

792
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,280
Wow, I've seen it sound like a
different side of him I hadn't

793
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,160
heard before.
Once you stop smoking all the

794
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,080
weed man, you start seeing
dollar signs.

795
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,120
Yeah, right, right.
Yeah.

796
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,600
And that's what, you know, like
I mentioned earlier, that's what

797
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,080
tippies did.
They all decided to to cash in,

798
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:22,920
right.
You know, like.

799
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,600
Right.
But the thing.

800
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:31,720
That I can't ever accept is
somebody who doesn't always

801
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:35,440
continually be a fan of music,
right?

802
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,680
It doesn't matter that you're a
musician if you're not a fan of

803
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,480
music first and foremost, I can
guarantee you we're not going to

804
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,720
get along.
Yeah, you got to be a fan.

805
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,640
Yeah, like, why wouldn't you be
a fan of music?

806
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,640
I.
Because too many musicians get

807
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:53,200
caught up here in their head and
they're all the sudden now

808
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,080
they're I'm an artist.
Right.

809
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,800
Yeah.
Don't talk to me, I'm an artist.

810
00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:59,440
Right.
Well, Prince was an artist

811
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,320
member of the artist formerly
known as Prince.

812
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:04,480
He was, but the another reason
I'll defend him as he hold

813
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,040
himself away in that mansion and
just wrote music.

814
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,480
He didn't bother anybody.
He didn't true, you know.

815
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,080
True.
He was asked, he basically asked

816
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,360
everybody to leave him alone so
he could create.

817
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,000
Well, growing up, so I grew up
in Minneapolis in the 80s and,

818
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,120
and of course Prince was big on
the the music scene there on

819
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,080
that time.
And so and downtown Minneapolis,

820
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,720
he had a club called 1st Ave.
where some pretty big acts would

821
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:31,520
play, I guess I think he played
there sometimes.

822
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,960
I never, I never saw him live,
but but a lot of people in my

823
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,360
school were into Prince.
But at that time that wasn't

824
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,960
really fitting in with what my
group was into.

825
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,600
So we didn't really get into
Prince.

826
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,880
But I definitely later on I came
to appreciate him more.

827
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,920
And like I did go to that.
I did go to 1st Ave. then they

828
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:55,320
had a little club right next
door that was called 7th St.

829
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,200
entry where local bands could
play like the new up and coming

830
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,400
acts would play.
So that was just, you know, it

831
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,880
was a lively, it was a pretty
lively music scene there.

832
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,760
And then I had a couple of
friends who were drummers too,

833
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,920
So and one was one was in a band
1.

834
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,200
I don't think he ever they were
both in bands, but I only saw

835
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:19,040
one of them.
But but I was definitely like,

836
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,880
we'd be going to to bars and and
clubs and that too, and

837
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,240
listening to music even as as a
teenager and that, you know,

838
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,400
that scene.
So that was a lot of fun.

839
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,920
Yeah, see, I didn't, I didn't
really appreciate Prince till I

840
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,480
got older either.
Like, like everybody was

841
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:34,800
introduced to Purple Rain,
right?

842
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,920
Because Purple Rain was a
massive movie #1 and sure.

843
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:39,000
Right.
So.

844
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,120
That was like mid 80 when the
Purple Rain came out, like 8687,

845
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:42,720
right?
So.

846
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:44,760
That was 4.
Probably 84 of that.

847
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,840
So that that was my introduction
as most people, but it it it

848
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,560
probably, it probably took
another 15 years or so to

849
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,320
actually like then realize what
a musician he was.

850
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,120
I didn't realize he played all
the instruments probably till

851
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,400
about 10 years ago, maybe 15
years ago, because it's not

852
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,200
something that you would
commonly know, right?

853
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:08,400
It's but then you did now that
he's gone and then you start

854
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,600
seeing all these things, you
know, excerpts of his life

855
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,040
coming up.
It's, you know, the soul of

856
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,120
rock'n'roll him.
I never knew that story tell it

857
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,720
popped up on on the socials in
the last.

858
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:18,080
Year.
Oh, really?

859
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,360
Yeah, yeah, I remember when that
happened.

860
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,640
Yeah.
And then I saw the videos of

861
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,680
them and on stage I was like, Oh
my gosh, this is amazing.

862
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,040
My appreciation for him came in
the same way that it came for

863
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,760
Pantera.
A friend of mine had a extra

864
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,000
ticket to the concert and didn't
want to go by themselves.

865
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,760
And I was like, I was in the
same boat as you guys.

866
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,320
I didn't have an appreciation
for him.

867
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,600
I knew who he was.
I like the songs that were on

868
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,880
the radio, but not enough to go
buy the music.

869
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,040
Right.
Yeah, exactly.

870
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,480
When I saw him in concert and I
saw him shred on a guitar, I was

871
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,400
like, holy shit, Eddie Van Halen
could take some lessons from

872
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,080
this guy.
And I'm sure Eddie will tell you

873
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,680
the same thing before I get all
the hate mail again.

874
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,800
Yeah, Prince was just on another
level.

875
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:04,040
It was like he equated to the
guitar the same way Stevie Ray

876
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,160
did for me.
And Eddie's in that same boat,

877
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,160
right?
It was an extension of

878
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,520
themselves.
He wasn't playing it, he was

879
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,000
pulling it out of the air and
giving it back to you.

880
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,400
It was effortless.
Yeah, I put, I put the solo on

881
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,320
our on our Facebook page.
Oh, sweet.

882
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,440
Yeah, because if, I mean the
actual video itself is like 6

883
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,160
minutes long.
It's.

884
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,920
Outstanding.
For the whole I mean it just I

885
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,640
would like to know that because
you, if you watch the video,

886
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:29,160
you'll see him every now and
then.

887
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,760
Look at Tom Petty like I'm still
going, man.

888
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:37,440
Not done yet.
And the night that I saw him, he

889
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,600
did Jimi Hendrix, Red House.
That's what blew me away.

890
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,040
And he did the same thing,
probably a 5 or 6 minute guitar

891
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,160
solo in the minute or in the
middle of Red House.

892
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,760
Yeah.
And nobody in that crowd wanted

893
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,120
that solo to end.
It wasn't like people are

894
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,440
looking at their watch, you
know?

895
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:54,720
Is he ever going to quit
playing?

896
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:59,760
That 5 or 6 minutes went by like
in an instant because every note

897
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,680
that he played had meaning.
Yeah, no, you can tell in the

898
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,120
Hall of Fame when you can, you
can completely tell how he's

899
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,120
just lost and what he's doing.
And it does time, just you look

900
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,080
down the videos always like,
damn it, yeah, you know.

901
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,400
You can't believe you just
listen to somebody play a guitar

902
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,840
solo for that long.
Right there wasn't supposed to

903
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,320
be there.
I'm sure the producers were

904
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,240
freaking out.
What are you doing?

905
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,200
What would you say was the best
concert you've ever been to to

906
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,840
to date Mike?
But just so.

907
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,880
Yeah, I haven't been to a lot of
concert in recent years, but

908
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:45,280
that's a good question.
That blew you away.

909
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:46,960
It doesn't have to be.
Well, you know, like to talk

910
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,760
about that first Aerosmith
concert.

911
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,160
That'll always be something
that, you know, I will remember.

912
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,240
That made a big impact on me,
you know, you know, Iron Maiden

913
00:46:57,240 --> 00:46:59,520
I've seen a couple of times too,
and they they put on a really

914
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:04,720
great state show.
So that's that's a fun show.

915
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,160
I saw the Grateful Dead a couple
of times.

916
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:08,000
How?
Are they live?

917
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,120
They they were, they were, they
were good.

918
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,120
Yeah.
Part of that experience, of

919
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,440
course.
Like, yeah, I have to say that I

920
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,920
dropped some acid, you know, so
that was part of it too.

921
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:28,320
But I that, you know, took you
to hold another place too, So,

922
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,600
and they would just go on for
hours and hours too.

923
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,040
It just seemed like, you know,
for just go on and on.

924
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,920
So and they had, they had two
drum sets at one point and all

925
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,960
this other, you know, so it was
quite a show too.

926
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,520
But the, I don't know if I'd be
able to narrow down, you know,

927
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,400
funny, I, I remember 1 concert I
saw that made an impact on me

928
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:50,920
too.
And I was just outside of Paris

929
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,520
when I was there that year and
Midnight Oil played an open air

930
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,560
concert there.
We're all like just outside just

931
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,840
rocking out to this.
And I wasn't like a huge kind of

932
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,120
Midnight Oil or anything.
But it there there that whole

933
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,960
show I guess made a a big
impact.

934
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,960
It was just a lot of fun, like
that kind of thing.

935
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:17,960
It was kind of, you know, you
know, I guess unscripted and not

936
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,440
really super organized, but it
was, it was a fun show.

937
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:24,000
Yeah, Feliz, you don't know
midnight oil is a banned from

938
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,160
Australia.
They were all about, yeah, they

939
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,640
were, they were all about
supporting the Aborigines and

940
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,640
raising money and, you know,
equality and things like that

941
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:36,840
for them, for that.
Yeah, very like socially

942
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,480
conscious.
Yeah, what was their big hit?

943
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:39,720
Beds are burning.
Beds are burning.

944
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:43,800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
How come you sleep?

945
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,200
When the beds are burning.
That was one of our little towns

946
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,040
claim to fame.
That's how lame we are.

947
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,440
They stopped at our Kmart, They
didn't play here or anything,

948
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,600
they just stopped at the Kmart.
They probably had to get some

949
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,360
shit or paper for the bus or
something.

950
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,760
That's funny.
That made the newspaper.

951
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,480
What you.
Need anything from ashes?

952
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,680
I don't.
I don't.

953
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:07,640
Here.
Yeah.

954
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:15,880
Come say hi.
That's that's Mike and Mike.

955
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:17,440
What up?
What up, Jake?

956
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,840
Hey man, ask Jake the concert.
Let's see what he says.

957
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:21,480
Oh.
That's good.

958
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,200
How are?
You What's the best concert

959
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,280
you've ever been to?
Oh, that's a hard one.

960
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:34,120
That just blew you away.
I took him to Matchbox, not

961
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,360
matchbox when I always do that
to 30 seconds, 30.

962
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,720
Well, yeah, but she fell asleep
30 Seconds To Mars twice, twice

963
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:41,520
the the second. 10 I bet the
1st.

964
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,560
One was better because it was a
Linkin Park that was at the

965
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,000
height of 30 Seconds To Mars,
wouldn't you say?

966
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,720
Yeah.
That was after This is where

967
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:52,000
album came out.
Yeah.

968
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,360
Either it's been tied between
the 30 Seconds To Mars concert

969
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:02,080
in 2013 or Alter Bridge.
Oh, yeah, 18.

970
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:03,920
Yeah, yeah, that one.
Yeah, yeah.

971
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,280
Alter Bridge was good.
Yeah.

972
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:06,720
I should play all the songs that
I knew.

973
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,080
So sick.
Yeah, Their set was nice.

974
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,080
And we were on the we were on
the, we were.

975
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,280
Really right in front of the
stage.

976
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:12,960
Front row.
Yeah.

977
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,480
Mark Trumani's side.
And you got four of the best

978
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,480
musicians that have ever graced
the instrument.

979
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,640
He said they have four of the
greatest musicians who have ever

980
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,360
graced the instrument.
Yeah, it was cool.

981
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:31,600
Or, I mean, I can always bride
that.

982
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:36,400
I saw Guns and Roses in concert.
True Chinese Democracy album at

983
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,920
celebrity theater.
Guns and Roses, OH.

984
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,080
Guns and Roses.
Yeah, yeah.

985
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,520
During the Chinese Democracy
tour, when they came back for

986
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,720
that, that was a big.
Production.

987
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,240
I had that shirt somewhere.
With Chinese democracy.

988
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:49,680
Yeah, I have a concert shirt
somewhere.

989
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,200
Yeah, I think seeing Guns and
Roses in their prime would have

990
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,760
been something special too in
their first time shot.

991
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,200
The set like How do you fall
asleep during Guns and Roses

992
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,920
concert?
Chris knows mine, mine's

993
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,160
obviously Metallica.
That changed my life.

994
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,800
That's what made me want to be a
musician for sure. 1988 on the

995
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,000
Injustice for All tour.
I was in the front row.

996
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:12,880
Yeah, yeah.
Oh nice.

997
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,320
Yeah, right on.
Queens Reich opened up.

998
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,640
That concert definitely changed
my life.

999
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,000
I need to go to more concerts
but.

1000
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:22,320
You know.
There's like.

1001
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,760
You're a little busy.
Yeah, it's kind of a little

1002
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,840
busy.
I think there's something about

1003
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,960
an outdoor concert that's, I
don't know, to me, it's maybe

1004
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,960
the sound might not be as good,
you know, as you might get in a,

1005
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,800
a certain Amphitheatre or
something.

1006
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,120
But just like the vibe and the,
the, you know, the atmosphere in

1007
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,520
an outdoor concert, to me, it
was a lot of fun.

1008
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,680
The second the. 2nd 30 Seconds
To Mars is outdoors.

1009
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:53,360
Yeah, Cricket Pavilion.
Oh, outdoors, Yeah, yeah.

1010
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,800
Jerry Leto was like how the he's
like how you guys standing

1011
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,920
outside of this so long.
You guys are all fucking

1012
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,400
lizards.
It was like July.

1013
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,840
It was like, yeah, it was like
July before my first day of

1014
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,000
senior year, and it was like.
I mean, to our benefit, we were

1015
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,960
in the pit, so we have space.
Is it so for those of you that

1016
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,600
are just listening, the cricket
Pavilion is out in the middle of

1017
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,200
the desert in Arizona, and if
you're playing there as a band

1018
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,160
in the summertime, it's going to
be about 115°.

1019
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,680
I saw Steve Miller there three
times and the third time I saw

1020
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,400
him, he said.
I'm pretty sure I need to fire

1021
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,320
my tour manager because he keeps
booking me here in August.

1022
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,600
Right.
It's a wrong time of year to be

1023
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,480
playing outdoors in Phoenix for
sure.

1024
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,440
For sure.
I got to go change the oil in my

1025
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:41,280
car.
I got to bounce.

1026
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:42,920
All right.
Good seeing you, Jake.

1027
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:49,800
As well.
How's the Marine, ladies and

1028
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,840
gentlemen?
Yeah, yeah.

1029
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,760
Oh, it's good to see Jake.
Yeah, he came, It was funny.

1030
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,200
He came home for Christmas, then
he had to leave Saturday after

1031
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,400
Christmas just to come back the
31st.

1032
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,600
They they they made him come
back for like 2 days.

1033
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,440
So this is the dumbest thing
ever, Dad.

1034
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,960
Really.
Yeah.

1035
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,960
Yeah, he just, he just bought a
National.

1036
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,480
Debt just keeps ticking up.
Right.

1037
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:24,960
He just bought a 1979 Camaro
with his his Trump dividend,

1038
00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:27,960
they called it.
It's a project car.

1039
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:29,680
It's a project car.
He's going to.

1040
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,000
He's going to.
Project Car.

1041
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,200
So it's it's kind of rough.
Car it's yeah, it's got four

1042
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,680
different tires, 4 different
rims, has no carburetor.

1043
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,360
What's he got?
What's he got 350?

1044
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:44,080
350 small block he he got he
registered to hear plates as gas

1045
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,880
guzzler.
He needs to throw a 454 in there

1046
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,080
man.
He's going to he's going to turn

1047
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,680
it into a manual.
Him and his buddy, him and his

1048
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,360
buddy Tyler on the in back in
Pendleton.

1049
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,480
They're going to, they're going
to, they're going to rehab it.

1050
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,360
It's this project car.
I was like, right on.

1051
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,240
He's excited about it and he's
and he's not.

1052
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:05,160
He came from me, so he's not
mechanically inclined.

1053
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,760
So YouTube's his friend and his
buddies like he, he changes his

1054
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,960
own oil, all that kind of stuff.
He works on his own car and

1055
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,640
shit.
I'm like, right on son.

1056
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,720
I can change, it is amazing for
that shit.

1057
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,800
It is, yeah.
That's why we're sitting here

1058
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,080
doing this podcast.
That's how we learned to do it.

1059
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,760
And because of what his job is
in the Marines, he has free

1060
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,960
time.
He's not going out, you know,

1061
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,960
sniping anybody.
He's accounting, supply and

1062
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,640
logistics.
So he's he's got his office

1063
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,000
hours and he's got a cake job
teach.

1064
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,400
Yourself to do something else.
He's got time to burn.

1065
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,800
Yeah, he's we we told him when
he was in Japan he should learn

1066
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,240
Japanese.
And, you know, of course he

1067
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:41,760
didn't.
So now he's on Duolingo learning

1068
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,240
Japanese because he wants to go
back.

1069
00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:50,280
Dude, you're there.
You're there in the environment,

1070
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:51,800
and you don't learn it, you
know?

1071
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,000
Well, you know, I didn't want
to, Dad.

1072
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,880
It's like, OK, whatever.
I'll learn it now.

1073
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,720
Well, I got about 15 minutes
left guys, just to give you a

1074
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:03,920
heads up because I do have I got
to go to work today too.

1075
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,120
So I.
Didn't went to work man.

1076
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,120
Come on, Slack.
Yeah, you got it done already.

1077
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,240
Yeah, that's, that's awesome.
So I want to ask you a question

1078
00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:13,040
because I come on, Steve, I
follow you.

1079
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,760
Obviously, we're friends.
No, No questions.

1080
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,320
What is that?
Of an extremely personal nature.

1081
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,040
Camera and your light in the
background.

1082
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:26,480
OK, Oh, there we go.
So, but I, I noticed from last

1083
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:30,960
time we spoke, Mike, you've,
you've kind of went down a, a,

1084
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,960
a, a fitness path.
Like you always run into fitness

1085
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,320
because I, you know, before we
had you on what I didn't know

1086
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,160
about you through the Rodarty
family and stuff.

1087
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,960
Like, you know, obviously you're
a fit individual, but you've

1088
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,440
kind of, you've kind of taken a
turn to the whole fitness

1089
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:46,720
aspect.
Can you talk a little bit about

1090
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:50,480
that?
As far as the theme of my

1091
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,920
Instagram, yeah, yeah.
I think it was like just kind of

1092
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,840
fun, like posting different
things I was doing and that

1093
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,520
would kind of also kind of
challenge me to think of

1094
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:03,800
something to do that I wanted to
post.

1095
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,400
But so in a way that, you know,
but then at some point I felt

1096
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,920
like I was getting too like
wrapped up in the idea of I got

1097
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,400
to do something that I'm going
to post, you know, like so I

1098
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,440
kind of cooled off on it a bit.
But but I am still.

1099
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,680
Yeah, I'm definitely that was
probably well, like a lot of

1100
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:25,600
what I've done this year is like
boxing twice a week, gyms the

1101
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:30,640
other days, you know, And so
they're definitely I feel like I

1102
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:36,360
am trying to I guess I'd say I'm
trying to squeeze every drop of

1103
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,920
performance I can get out of
this body while I still can.

1104
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:44,680
Is 1 you know, basically right,
You know, so and, and part of

1105
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:49,520
that is just like finding new
things to, to challenge myself

1106
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,680
or to to keep me engaged in this
fitness journey.

1107
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,560
So now, because boxing is always
fascinating me, but I, I won't,

1108
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,400
I won't even attempt it because
the, the divert the degenerating

1109
00:56:58,400 --> 00:56:59,960
vertebrae in my neck.
So there's just no way.

1110
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,800
But have you, have you actually
sparred with anybody yet or is

1111
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,320
it just more training side?
Yeah, I know.

1112
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:05,920
It's been a few months since I
sparred.

1113
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,240
I'm about to start doing it.
Honestly the last time I did it

1114
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:14,120
I got so winded after like a
minute that I was like oh shit,

1115
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,160
I've got to get in better shape
to be able.

1116
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:20,160
To and you're already in shape.
Yeah, but yeah, you think you're

1117
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:21,720
in shape until you get in a
boxing ring.

1118
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,640
You're trying to get someone's
trying to knock your head off,

1119
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,600
you know, like, and you're
moving around and, and punching

1120
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,920
and.
And after about a minute, I was

1121
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,760
pretty winded.
And then in this, I only did a

1122
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,640
couple of rounds and I I
realized that I need to get in

1123
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:38,440
better shape and also worked on
my my defense and footwork too.

1124
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,800
OK, that's interesting because
next week we're having our Jake

1125
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,480
Johnson back on the show.
He's a boxer we had on I think

1126
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,560
the first second year.
Yeah.

1127
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,520
So that's it.
I never thought of that.

1128
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:49,640
I never thought of because you
are.

1129
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,040
I mean, I know obviously there's
a lot of cardio that comes to

1130
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:53,680
boxing.
Yeah.

1131
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,600
So did did you watch the the
Jake Paul, the Anthony Joshua

1132
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,520
fight?
Yeah, if you could call out a

1133
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,360
fight, yeah, I did watch it.
It was entertaining.

1134
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,360
It was.
So what I noticed with Jake Paul

1135
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:13,920
is that I think his plan coming
into that match was to avoid

1136
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:19,080
Anthony as much as he could, you
know, try and just stay away

1137
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,440
from him.
And he noticed that as the

1138
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:26,680
rounds progressed that he was
having more trouble staying away

1139
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,000
from.
And he kept dropping his hands.

1140
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,960
Yeah, yeah.
Like in the for Sean, he started

1141
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,840
dropping his hands.
Is that just for his?

1142
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,800
Defense was pretty good though.
He dodged a lot of sure dodged a

1143
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,680
lot of blows, but then he would
he would get down and grab.

1144
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,080
He would either fall to the mat
or get knocked down and he would

1145
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:47,320
grab Anthony's leg like this,
which, yeah, he did that so many

1146
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:48,680
times.
I'm like, what's?

1147
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,000
What do you?
Spend a lot of time on

1148
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:52,720
strategies.
He did spend a lot of time on

1149
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:58,440
his knees, Yeah, so.
It was, you know, I think these

1150
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,680
are shows, though, like, these
are spectacles, like, you know,

1151
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,920
the things Jake Paul does.
It's not like.

1152
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,360
It's a money grab for.
Sure, and it's total money grab.

1153
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,560
They both made $92 million.
Yeah.

1154
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,600
You know, I mean, and now
Tyson's come out saying I want

1155
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:11,720
to fight him again with no
strip.

1156
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,480
I had to fight where I fight
because I needed the money,

1157
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,440
which everybody knew.
That fight was bullshit.

1158
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:16,920
Yeah, Tyson shouldn't fight
again.

1159
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,800
He his leg work.
He he just doesn't have the legs

1160
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,960
anymore.
Like to, to, to get around.

1161
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,440
Like he saw his punch.
I'm sure like he could take a

1162
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,480
punch and throw a punch.
But like, I just when I saw

1163
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,480
watch that fight, I was like
his, his legs are just not there

1164
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,200
anymore to, you know, to do what
he needs to do.

1165
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,640
That's interesting, I never
thought about that either.

1166
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,640
The legs.
Yeah, and that's a huge part of

1167
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,960
it too.
With everything, with the power

1168
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,360
of your punch, the positioning,
getting around your defense was

1169
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,040
like, yeah, so, so much about
the legwork.

1170
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:51,680
That's cool.
That's a good, that's a good

1171
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,720
approach.
So what's your favorite?

1172
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,960
What's your favorite workout?
If I if I had to say, Mike,

1173
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,480
we're going to go do your
favorite workout today, what

1174
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,000
would it be?
Yeah, I guess it would be a

1175
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,120
boxing workout.
I mean, I just because it gets

1176
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,520
it hits all, you know, your
cardio, you might, you probably

1177
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,040
use somebody weight exercise.
You can do some squats and some

1178
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:15,080
push ups and maybe pull ups.
I'm not really going to like in

1179
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:19,040
a, in a boxing training workout.
I don't really get on the weight

1180
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:23,720
machines or anything.
But you're doing body weight

1181
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,520
exercises, some cardio, some,
you know, a lot of different

1182
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,640
things.
So it definitely gets me more to

1183
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,360
where I'm just dripping sweat
after, you know, a few minutes,

1184
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,160
which is.
Which is the whole point of

1185
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:36,560
working out.
Yeah, yeah.

1186
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,960
So like if I go to the gym by
myself and do weight training,

1187
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,920
like I'm not really sweating,
sweating bullets, you know, I'm

1188
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:48,240
like taking little rests in
between sets and all that.

1189
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,320
So, well, yeah, 'cause weight.
That's weight training, right?

1190
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,680
Weight training is boring you.
Know it is right.

1191
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,400
It's not as engaging and that.
Yeah.

1192
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:58,960
So yeah, for sure.
Yeah.

1193
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,040
So or even just going for a nice
run.

1194
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:02,480
I still like going for a little
run.

1195
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:06,000
I haven't been doing as much
lately, but yeah.

1196
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,200
So this is kind of cool.
Hold on.

1197
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,800
You're going to like this or you
may not like it.

1198
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:19,400
Boom, that's you.
That's you jump roping, right?

1199
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,560
Yeah, looks like I'm way up
high, which I thought was cool

1200
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,360
because just because of the
angle or something.

1201
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,160
Yeah.
It's awesome dude.

1202
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,280
Yeah.
So in the jump rope, that's a a

1203
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,720
part of it too.
You know, it was like getting

1204
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,880
proficient at jump rope, which
is a really great, great

1205
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,600
exercise.
Is is this when you hang upside

1206
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,520
down?
Oh, that's just the monkey.

1207
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,360
Bars, that goes to the monkey
bars there, yeah.

1208
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:45,920
Yeah, Which EOS, which EOS do
you work out at?

1209
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,840
I don't go to EOS anymore.
That one was the one on Warner

1210
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,800
and Mcclintock or in Tempe, but
I cancelled that because I just

1211
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,080
wasn't hardly using it.
So it's a Vasa I go to when I go

1212
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:02,800
to the gym, which is a nice
yeah, they have a really nice

1213
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,640
gym over here on Almost School
in Ray.

1214
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:09,120
There he is, boxing.
That's over at Iron Gloves in

1215
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:10,040
Tempe.
OK.

1216
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,600
Yeah, getting.
Better at the speed bag too has

1217
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:18,560
been something like.
I don't know if that was my last

1218
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,760
one but like if you noticed
this.

1219
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:25,320
Was this was a November 23rd
2025 S about a month.

1220
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:26,480
Yeah, that's probably the latest
one.

1221
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:30,080
Like if you go back and look at
my earlier speed bag, I'm a lot

1222
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,640
slower.
So like I've also been able to

1223
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,200
to get get up to speed with that
and.

1224
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,760
How much of that is cardio, How
much I'm like, how much is your

1225
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:43,160
heart pumping from doing that?
That's not too strenuous of the

1226
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,680
cardio, but with like the
shoulders and the arms like that

1227
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:52,920
can be, you know, tie ring after
a time until you get where, you

1228
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:57,160
know, fitness, Sir.
Wait on, what's Michael Rosie,

1229
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:58,840
you want to follow Mike on on
Instagram?

1230
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:00,640
There he goes.
There's just Larose Fitness.

1231
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:06,880
Yeah, yeah.
I just, yeah, I don't know.

1232
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:08,880
I was looking for a different
handle and that seemed.

1233
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,400
Yeah, definitely.
The fitness is a big part of the

1234
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:13,400
theme.
I guess so.

1235
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,840
Yeah, well, I mean, it was same
same for me when I stopped

1236
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:17,600
drinking it.
Just you dive into fitness, you

1237
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:19,160
know, you got to do something
with your time.

1238
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:20,600
You got to occupy your mind
somehow.

1239
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:25,840
Yeah, with being older and and
not being a in partying anymore

1240
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,640
or not, I think you see people
go in different directions as

1241
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,040
they get like around our age,
they're going to become day

1242
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:35,400
drinkers and all the time
drinkers maybe and or they're

1243
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:36,640
going to get really into
fitness.

1244
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:37,840
Yeah.
Yeah, right.

1245
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,000
It's, it's there's like it's a
spectrum.

1246
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:42,520
Which of the spectrum are you
on?

1247
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:44,280
Or like what?
I don't know what you're doing

1248
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,080
if you're in between, if you're
not doing either of those

1249
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:47,200
things, what the hell are you
doing?

1250
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,160
But.
That is a true story for a lot

1251
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,120
of people though.
A lot of people redline it all

1252
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:52,840
the way to the end.
Yeah.

1253
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,560
As far as the drinking, yeah,
yeah, yeah.

1254
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,160
There are some moderate.
I would consider myself a

1255
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,640
moderate.
You know, I'm somewhere in the

1256
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,320
middle.
I try and take care of myself

1257
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,520
but I also still have a good
time so.

1258
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:09,880
Right, but you're not, you're
not drinking a six pack either.

1259
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:11,760
You have a beer and you're done.
Yeah.

1260
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,920
I'm definitely not drinking to
the point where I'm blacking out

1261
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,480
anymore because it's not fun.
No.

1262
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:19,880
Chris knows where I spent my New
Year's Eve.

1263
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:21,320
I was watching high school
basketball.

1264
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:25,200
So yeah, things have changed.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Nick and I

1265
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,320
were watching.
What was it Lost?

1266
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,480
A few episodes of Lost and.
Oh yeah?

1267
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,120
Did you watch it when it first
came out?

1268
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,080
No, we just stumbled on it.
Oh really?

1269
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:38,360
Yeah, we're in Season 4 now.
That was a show that, like

1270
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,480
before, yeah, it was like,
before streaming really took off

1271
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:45,280
and like, but it was like a show
that would have been a streaming

1272
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:49,120
show, you know, like, as far as
like it, it kept people coming

1273
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,200
back for many seasons, you know,
to watch.

1274
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,320
It so yeah, you'll really enjoy
it man that's a.

1275
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,160
Yeah, we're, we're towards the
end of the fourth season.

1276
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,800
We just, we just wrapped up
Nurse Jackie, which was

1277
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,360
interesting.
You ever seen that one?

1278
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,360
There's gentle, yeah.
Oh yeah, that was a great.

1279
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:07,480
Series too.
Oh yeah, with.

1280
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,560
Edie Falco Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's coming back for another

1281
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:11,680
season.
That's why we watched it.

1282
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:12,800
Sweet.
Yeah.

1283
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:14,720
And it'd be interesting to see
where they picked it up because,

1284
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,920
you know, if you watched the,
the last scene of the last

1285
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,720
episode of Season 7 is like, all
right then.

1286
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,560
Yeah, she's such a great actress
and that's a perfect role for

1287
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,160
her.
Yeah, yeah.

1288
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:27,680
Cool.
Anything else you want to add

1289
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:38,480
there, Michael Rose?
No, no to yeah, No, I don't know

1290
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,360
what's coming up.
We got some good shows coming up

1291
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:42,280
around town.
You guys keeping tabs on there?

1292
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:42,960
Are you?
Are you?

1293
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,200
Well, you're in.
You're in Michigan or something.

1294
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:46,800
Are you in Illinois?
Illinois.

1295
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:48,400
Illinois, yeah.
Yeah.

1296
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:52,120
Well, yeah, no, Well, I have to
say that I wanted to add that

1297
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:58,960
Chicago also had an impact on
my, I guess, my musical develop

1298
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,840
or my, you know, experience.
The band Chicago.

1299
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:06,680
No, no, being in Chicago and
being exposed to Blues and jazz

1300
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:08,960
to like more, especially more
probably more Blues.

1301
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:13,400
But the Blues and jazz scene in
Chicago, it probably still is,

1302
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,880
was amazing.
You know, like in going to

1303
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,280
little bars and clubs and
hearing these bands and

1304
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:22,200
musicians, you know, are just
the the jazz improv and stuff

1305
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,880
too.
That was a whole nother part.

1306
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:29,960
So, you know, I think with the
music to like being able to,

1307
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,200
well, my life, being in
different areas and different

1308
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:38,720
times and, and getting exposed
to these different genres of

1309
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:43,120
music too was really great for
my, I guess, appreciation of, of

1310
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:48,440
music too, you know, And like,
so, you know, I kind of, I

1311
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,680
really benefited from that, like
being in different areas during

1312
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:56,000
different times when music was,
or even, you know, going out to

1313
01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:01,040
Seattle in 1990 to and, and seen
some local bands, you know, and

1314
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,600
I never got to see Nirvana or.
Literally.

1315
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,720
Don't have a pilot?
History at that time.

1316
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,480
Yeah, yeah.
But just, yeah, just kind of

1317
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,960
getting a taste of of the the
flavor in the culture, you know,

1318
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:15,400
and so.
That's one thing that when Chris

1319
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,760
and I were in Nemesis, we were
hyper aware of what was going on

1320
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,240
at the time.
You know, we used to sit and

1321
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,520
talk about how much good music
was coming out.

1322
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,320
It was like just one banger
album after another.

1323
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:28,840
You know?
You knew that you were living

1324
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:30,920
through a special time because
there was so much.

1325
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,440
You were just inundated, which
is so much good music.

1326
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,640
And the other thing that I
noticed talking about, you know,

1327
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:40,080
you living in Chicago and the
guitar playing and the jazz, and

1328
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:44,600
when I moved to Arizona, I
noticed right away that there

1329
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:48,360
was a sound that came out of
this part of the country that

1330
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:52,480
nobody else grabbed onto because
I used to get complimented all

1331
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:55,560
the time on my tone.
You know, the way that our

1332
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:59,600
actual audio was not just the
songwriting, but how good we

1333
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,800
sounded.
And I was like, you know, the

1334
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,920
way I was raised in the music
business in this part of the

1335
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:08,520
country was you can write the
Best Song in the world and if

1336
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:10,560
you don't present it the right
way, nobody's going to want to

1337
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,160
listen to it.
If you got a tinny guitar and a

1338
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:16,640
shitty PA system and no light
show, who's going to want to see

1339
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:19,319
you, You know?
So I just thought all that was a

1340
01:08:19,319 --> 01:08:21,040
given.
And then Chris and I would go

1341
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,000
see local bands, and some of
them had their shit together and

1342
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,960
some of them didn't.
It's like, do you not know how

1343
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:28,840
to tune your guitar?
Do you not know how to get a

1344
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:32,080
good tone out of that amplifier?
Those kind of things.

1345
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:35,120
Yeah.
So I'm glad you brought up the

1346
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:38,359
blue scene in Chicago, because
it's still outstanding and it's

1347
01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:42,439
definitely lent itself to the
world for a lot of years.

1348
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:44,880
Yeah, Nikki and I were in New
Orleans.

1349
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:46,279
We went.
We went one of the nights we

1350
01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:49,040
were there on on, we went on a
cruise that neither one of us

1351
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:52,399
jumped over the side and we we
just stumbled.

1352
01:08:52,399 --> 01:08:54,720
We stumbled into a couple bars
and listen to some of the the

1353
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:56,359
live music.
It was it was fun, man.

1354
01:08:56,359 --> 01:08:59,680
They're those, those jazz
musician, Blues musicians are

1355
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,800
just, they're a whole different,
a whole different level,

1356
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,439
especially just sitting there
jamming at a bar.

1357
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,439
Yeah, there's another city.
Night after night has given the

1358
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:12,560
world a sound that doesn't come
from anywhere else other than

1359
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,720
that particular city, right?
Memphis is another one.

1360
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,720
All right, so I'm sure Mike's
got to get out here, so we'll

1361
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:22,560
wrap this up.
If you think number one thing,

1362
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:23,560
you could come back on the show,
Mike.

1363
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:24,840
Sorry I missed the first half an
hour of it.

1364
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:26,680
Absolutely.
Thanks for coming back, you

1365
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:27,439
know.
Yeah.

1366
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:31,880
And appreciate you guys yeah,
maybe sometime we could talk

1367
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,439
about well, so something that's
interesting to me is

1368
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:38,600
pharmaceuticals too and like
especially with regard to mental

1369
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,680
health, you know which I you
know, work in the middle

1370
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:46,120
obviously so but yeah, it was it
was it was fun coming back We

1371
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,319
did just kind of free willed it
this time, but.

1372
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:51,200
No, I'll send you.
I'll send you a link.

1373
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,279
You can, you can.
We'll get you back on love.

1374
01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:54,520
Yeah.
If you want to do a show on

1375
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:55,840
that, we'll do that.
That'd be awesome.

1376
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,120
Absolutely.
You know, we like talking to

1377
01:09:58,120 --> 01:09:59,120
you, Mike.
You're cool people.

1378
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:00,040
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.

1379
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:00,680
Thank you.
Same.

1380
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:04,440
Same here.
Yeah, I saw you'd just done an

1381
01:10:04,440 --> 01:10:07,920
episode on mental health and NFL
or something or.

1382
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,400
Yeah, so I wanted to listen to
that one too.

1383
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:11,840
Yeah, but I haven't had a chance
to yet.

1384
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:13,240
Yeah.
No, we're good, man.

1385
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:14,720
Yeah.
Come on, we'll set you up again.

1386
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,080
Can we?
Have you come, have you come

1387
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:18,520
back on a couple months to talk
about whatever?

1388
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,880
Yeah, what I can do like like we
can do like 3 hour show or

1389
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:22,800
something like a Rogan style.
There you go.

1390
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:23,960
Absolutely.
Yeah.

1391
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,160
Fridays.
Fridays are the best for that.

1392
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:28,800
Yep.
When I someday when I don't have

1393
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:30,880
to go to work immediately would
be good, but.

1394
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:32,880
There you go.
Yeah, so cool.

1395
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,520
All right, So again, boys and
girls, Chris and Mike show if

1396
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,160
you're feeling depressed,
suicidal, don't do it.

1397
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:39,400
Go scream in a pillow.
Go journal.

1398
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,320
Go run, go find somebody to talk
to you.

1399
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,520
If you can't find somebody to
talk to you text 988.

1400
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,480
Somebody is there waiting and
willing to talk to you off the

1401
01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:47,200
Cliff.
Tomorrow is a better day with

1402
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:48,800
you in it.
Don't leave a hole in somebody

1403
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,280
else's heart because you decided
that you don't belong here

1404
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:53,960
because you actually do.
That being said, I'm Chris, he's

1405
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:57,160
Mike and that's Mike Larose.
Find him on on Instagram at

1406
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:58,440
Larose under score fitness,
right?

1407
01:10:58,440 --> 01:10:59,560
Is that it all?
Right there.

1408
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,560
You go love you guys, have a
great day.

1409
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:02,920
Talk to you soon.
Love you too brother.

1410
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:04,760
Thanks for.
Coming on, Mike, see you.

1411
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:05,840
All right.
Thanks a lot.

1412
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:08,560
Happy New Year.
Hey, tell the family I said hi.

1413
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:11,040
All right?
Cool.

1414
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:12,520
You too.
All right.

1415
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:46,080
Thanks.
Take a moment.

1416
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:50,280
Look at you.
And see him fight the battle.

1417
01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:55,880
That's you for queer.
Fight the battle put you for

1418
01:11:55,920 --> 01:12:12,600
queer.
Who is your baby to your finger?

1419
01:13:19,410 --> 01:13:26,730
Come down here, Yeah, We bounce
all the exam from fighting.

1420
01:13:27,610 --> 01:13:31,450
Wait for the day.
Or when it goes around here,

1421
01:13:31,490 --> 01:13:36,440
you.
Put it away, no creature, we'll

1422
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:41,240
pray and smile and you should
you breathe on the almighty day

1423
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:47,360
you got a dream.
Who in your life to keep our

1424
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:53,960
soul in every day?
Take the trail behind your eyes.

1425
01:13:55,560 --> 01:14:06,560
Feel the Soul Revolution now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1426
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,920
Take a moment.
Listen to your fear.

1427
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:14,880
Fight your bail into your mouth.
Clear.

1428
01:14:40,860 --> 01:14:42,100
You gotta.
You gotta.

1429
01:14:42,780 --> 01:14:44,420
You gotta.
You gotta.

1430
01:14:44,460 --> 01:14:45,300
You gotta.