#177 - Chad from Valyear

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Oh, Horseman, remember that?
You took it right out of my

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mouth.
Good job, Chad.

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I love this guy more.
They were wicked.

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I love those there man.
Yes, yeah, that shit still pumps

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in my head all the time.
Yeah, that's how you know it's a

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good song, man.
You.

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Don't want to laugh?
Dad, you said it was easy.

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Oh I love this guy more already.
Are you?

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Are you?
Do you subscribe to the

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hairstyle?
Yeah.

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Welcome, Chad.
Hey, welcome, Chad.

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Hey, welcome to the Welcome to
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And look, Sergeant Dunham just

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timed in What?
Up.

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Hello son Marine, thanks for
chatting in.

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Yeah, Sergeant Dunham is my son,
Chad.

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Just so you know, he's, I love
it.

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He's the United States.
He's the United States Marine.

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Thank you for your service.
Absolutely.

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Thank you for your service,
brother.

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Yeah, I.
Was going to say you could see

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the if I adjust accordingly.
Nice.

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Love it.
That's.

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The love it.
That's the Delta company he

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graduated from, so he's a bad.
Ass and he's the coolest kid on

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the planet, I believe and.
It was, and it was our first,

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and it was our first guest ever
on a Christian lake show.

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Also a true story.
Amazing.

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Yeah, yeah.
So it's it's cool.

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So you guys were golden moment
even while I was getting ready

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to hop on the show.
So why don't you kind of just

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tell the world who you are,
Chad, while you're here?

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I recognize the name now because
the record label this Valier.

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So now I get it, I get it.
Is it?

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Did I say the right Valier?
Valier, Yeah.

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Valier.
Valier.

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OK, cool.
Right now.

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As long as you don't pronounce
it the way it's supposed to be

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pronounced, like all French,
like valier, Valier is fine.

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OK, cool.
So tell us who you are, why

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you're here, and what we're
going to do to help promote you.

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Well, my name is Chad Valier.
I sing for the band Valier.

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No ego involved.
The the reason we called the

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band Valier is because
throughout time, this band saw

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many incarnations and every time
somebody would leave or quit or

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I'd have to have them removed or
it turned into one of those,

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well, you know, you can't do
this song because I Co wrote it.

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And it's like, yeah, you did,
but so did three other people,

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right.
And so finally, the producer, my

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producer, Sean Gregory, he
brilliant guy, he said, why

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don't you call the band Valyer?
And I was like, absolutely not,

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not a chance.
I hate it when bands do that.

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I'm not doing it.
And he goes, well, how many

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times are you going to do this?
He goes, every time I see you

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rolling uphill, something
happens.

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You got to start again because
you got to change the name,

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right?
He's like, stop doing that.

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If you join Valyer, you know
what you're walking into, right?

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And I mean, yeah, we're very
much a democracy.

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Like we're very, you know,
everybody's got their say and,

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and but we all just know enough
not to step on each other's

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toes, right?
Yeah.

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And at the end of the day, I
mean, I hate to say it, but I

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mean, I got the power of veto,
really, you know, and it's just

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it's better that way.
But I mean, when you're working

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with guys who are like minded, I
put it this way, I've never had

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to do it.
So that's cool.

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Mike had to Mike.
Mike had to do it before I

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joined the band just because the
singer refused to churn around

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and play in front of a crowd of
people.

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So they had to fire him and then
and then, and then they found

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me.
By the grace of you know, all

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things rock and.
Roll Atta boy.

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Atta boy.
Life changed for it, yeah.

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Well, they can't fire me.
Life changed forever.

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You know what was crazy, Chad?
We couldn't fire each other.

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That band depended on every
member.

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We knew it there.
There was no, there was none of

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that ego like you just said.
Well, that's how I feel about

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the guys I play with right now.
Like we, we run into some

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drummer issues, like we've just
got a new drummer.

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His name's Manet Raviero.
But I've been with Joe and Jeff

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for we've been in this carnation
of the band for 11 years

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together, right.
And you know, when I put the

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band together in like 2014, it
was me and a bunch of studio

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guys.
I was having guys come in and

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writing with me and my producer
writes.

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So we were doing all this stuff
and Revolution Fear, the first

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album we put out was basically
like, it started out as a

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skeleton put together by me and
some studio guys.

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And then when I brought Joe and
Jeff, and I've known Joe since I

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was 10 years old.
Our sisters were friends, right?

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And, and I've known Jeff for,
you know, 20 years or something.

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And Jeff's kind of been in and
out of different incarnations,

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but Jeff, he didn't leave for
any bad reason.

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Just sometimes life would come
up or like priorities and he'd

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just be like, dude, I can't do
this and I have to find another

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guy.
But then whenever he was free

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again, I'd pull him back
because, you know, like, I don't

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think any of us are like these
phenomenal, like Dream Theater

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type musicians.
But whatever it is, we're, we're

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together.
We do it really well, you know,

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And The thing is with me and and
Joe and Jeff is it's like

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because we've been together so
long, we speak the exact same

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language, you know, and we're
not afraid to go.

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That sucks, you know, like
that's not good enough for and

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we don't do like assholes.
We just do it like, you know

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what I mean?
You know better than that or you

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know what I mean?
And and I'm not feeling that,

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you know what I mean.
We get guys, you know, we've had

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a couple drummers and and the
cool thing is, aside from one

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drummer, we're still friends
with all of them, you know what

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I mean?
Because we don't we don't leave

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things on bad turns with people.
And I'm just not a shitty guy,

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you know what I mean?
Like it it, if it's not working,

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it's not working and and I don't
want to hold you hostage in

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something you're not happy in,
right?

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But then we have to.
Get a bad question?

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Sorry, go ahead.
Yeah, well, I have a because I

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don't want to lose my thought.
I have a question about like,

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you can change, no offense,
Mike, but you can change guitar

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players and bass players, right?
Because they just kind of get to

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learn the songs.
But I mean, you know, OK, but

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you follow me here.
Like, like, like, like, like

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Cliff died.
God rest his soul.

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Newstead came in and you didn't
really miss a beat, right?

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I mean from from a musical
standpoint, that was a really

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good replacement.
I'm cutting that out.

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That's a.
Clip Well, but you know what,

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right?
But I mean, Cliff was Cliff and

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you can't you can't ever dispute
that.

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But nobody better than Jason, I
think could have filled that

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role.
OK, so where I'm going with?

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Couldn't agree with you more.
OK.

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Thank you.
So where I'm going with this is

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this singers and drummers, OK,
the singer is always going to

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have some type of ego.
And now not lead singer disease.

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There's a difference, some type
of ego because they we have to

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own our place on stage.
We have to have the presence, we

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have to have the charisma.
So even though we're coming in

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and singing, Mike blessed me
enough to where I didn't have to

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sing the songs that were written
with the other singer.

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He gave me the music and allowed
me to rewrite those songs.

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So in doing so, it gave me
ownership, right?

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But a lot of bands, right, you
have to come in Van Halen.

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Sammy had to come in and sing
this, the Van Hagar stuff and

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then sing the Van Halen, right.
So when you we never, I've never

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been in a band, we had to
replace a drummer.

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So when this was, which is where
I'm going with this, when you

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have to replace a drummer, how
hard is that?

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Because the drummer is such a
major backbone of a band.

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Well, for us it became they're.
Almost black crows, right?

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Because for one, the drummer we
started with, so like we have

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OK, so I can take you through
like, and I won't, it won't be

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like, you know, super long
range, but I'll kind of take you

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through a couple things.
So like when, when I first put

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value together, we had a guy
and, and you know, he would, you

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know, when I got clean.
So I I'm, I'm in recovery,

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right.
And so when I got good, good for

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you, man.
How long have you got?

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I got 21 years as of February.
I'm coming up on five in May,

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right so, but I've been in
recovery for 10 years.

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I only got 5.
Clean Right 18.

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So, but anyway, so I first went
to treatment like 10 years ago

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when I got out, Joe and Jeff,
that's when, you know, we

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really, or sorry, it was a
little bit before that.

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But anyway, we had this one
drummer and he I don't know what

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it was, man.
Like he was OK.

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Like it wasn't that he was bad.
It's just, you know, I don't

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recall ever playing a set that
he played perfect, you know what

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I mean?
I don't mean perfect.

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Like, you know, it just there
was always mistakes in it and

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they were big ones, right?
But he was always the first guy

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to go.
Chad, you came in three seconds

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late there.
And it's like probably I'm a

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singer.
Like that's kind of what I do,

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you know?
So after a while, like, it was

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like, OK, I just don't want to
work with this guy.

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No bad, no hard feelings.
But you got to go, right?

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And then we got our boy Nick and
Nick's still a really good

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friend of ours.
But Nick is really, you know, he

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was really, when he first came
to us, he wasn't very busy

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because not a lot of people knew
who he was.

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And then at the more he played,
well, he played with us for like

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5 or 6 years and the better he
got and he, he got really good,

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like really good.
And he did the albums with us.

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Both are albums Nick played on.
And Nick all of a sudden became

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really in demand, right?
And then we're we're an original

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band, right?
And we're not in the cool guy

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clique.
So we don't have money to offer,

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you know what I mean?
It's like we're we're lucky if

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we're getting paid a lot of
gigs, you know what I mean?

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We get paid, but like, not like
Matchbox 20 money or anything,

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you know, So you know, when when
the when the opera started

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coming to him, it was really
hard for him because he wants to

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play music for a living, right?
And we all do.

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But but now he can because he's
an in demand musician.

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Like drummers are hard to find.
And you know, there was a couple

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situations when we called on him
and he's been more than willing

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to help, right?
But then we, you know, when I

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just gave him the grace and I
said, OK, like, I think if

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that's what you want to do, then
you need to do that, brother.

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No hard feelings go.
But the thing was, if Nick wrote

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a lot of really difficult parts,
like Nick is a really.

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Good.
That's why I was doing.

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So the guy we replaced him with,
you know, I knew him, you know,

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through recovery and you know,
when he first came around, like

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he, I would say Nick would be on
par with someone like, I don't

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want to say Mike Portnoy
because, but like the same kind

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of style, you know what I mean?
Like very technical, a lot of

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fills, a lot of stuff going on.
And we brought in a guy who was

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a lot like Tommy Aldridge,
right?

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So nothing wrong with either
drummer, but very different.

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So watch him come in and try to
play a style And like, so we

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allowed him, we gave him the
freedom to kind of do it his

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way, providing it starts and
ends in the right spots, you

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know what I mean?
But when that happened, the ego

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with this guy just off the off
the train, like I, I was just

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like, what is up with this guy,
man?

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And like the level of toxicity
and negativity this guy brought.

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Like the first few months
couldn't ask for a better guy.

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And as soon as he got
comfortable, man, and I knew

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this guy for a while, you know,
like he just, you know, I don't

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know, like what he thought like
he wanted to come in and kind of

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run the band or something.
And I was just like, and then

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he, you know, I missed a
rehearsal one time because I was

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sick, and they rehearsed without
me.

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And he went to the guys.
He just told them basically,

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like, I was a piece of shit and
we need to do it.

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Yeah.
I was just like, so.

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And he thought, like, I don't
know.

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He thought, These guys I've
known for 20 and 40 years.

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Like if you check the name of
the band.

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And I said that to him, right?
And, and here's the thing.

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And, and I never let
spirituality or politics affect

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my friendship with somebody.
Like, I don't care who you vote

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for.
I don't care who you pray to,

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right?
I will decide what, where you

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fit in my world, right?
That's how that works.

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And I don't want to talk about
the United States's shitty

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government.
I could care less about it,

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right?
I know it affects me.

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I know all that stuff.
But if if a Canadian is sitting

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here and all he talks about is
Donald Trump, then there's a

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problem, right?
And it's like, I don't want to

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talk about your shitty
government.

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We have our shitty government,
you know.

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Right, because here's the thing,
here's the thing, we're not

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changing each other's
governments.

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Like, so if, if all we do is
consume our thoughts and want to

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argue about it, you got to step
back and just let the the

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government's do what they do
because we're nobody.

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We're these tiny little Yeah,
what point have you ever?

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This giant pond.
Yeah, what point have you ever

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seen a conservative and a
liberal sit down and go?

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Well, thank you for changing my
mind, Right, Yeah.

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What what like the only the the
here's here's something I saw

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the other day.
You remember who who Jesse the

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body Ventura was from wrestling,
of course.

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OK.
And then he was the governor of

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Minnesota, I think.
Yep.

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So he he had this perfect thing.
I saw it.

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It popped up on a reel.
You take away the parties and

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just put the names, Donald
Trump, Kamala Harris, that's it.

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And then guess what?
It puts ownership on you, the

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voter, to find out who these
people are because you don't

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have the party associated with.
So therefore you you don't know

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who's Democrat and who's
Republican.

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You have to focus on the person
that's running.

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I thought that was a brilliant.
Sorry.

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Go ahead, Mike.
The three of us just kind of

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said what people need to do.
We're we're doing it right now.

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You're talking to people
one-on-one, right?

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Let's solve these problems
one-on-one is people.

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We're not going to attack an
entire government and the

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government's not going to attack
us individually, but they're

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going to chip away at the stone,
right?

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We need to do the same thing
from the bottom and I.

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Just I get tired like I'm not
AI, I'm slowly becoming sort of

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like because like I was in
active addiction for so many

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years that my only, my only
concern was getting on stage and

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singing and finding the next
fix.

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So when I got clean, I mean
well.

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Part of singing.
Part of singing anyway, right?

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So when I got clean, the hard
part for me was realizing the

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state of the world, right?
And it's like then I start going

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down these rabbit holes and it's
like, you know, and then people

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want to talk about things.
And again, nobody wants to talk

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to work things out.
People want to talk to tell you

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you're wrong, right?
So it's like it's like my leader

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did this, but your leader did
this, but you know, you know, he

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was only here this many times,
but mine was here this many

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times and it's OK that he did
this because he did it for this.

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But you're and it's like where
you getting your information

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from, you know, and what is that
ever really exhausted with one

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sided, you know, it's it's.
How many problems have been

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solved in those conversations?
I've never even.

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I couldn't even imagine 0.0
because it's rhetoric, right?

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And at the end of the day, if
you think that either side is

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anything, then you OK, You know
what I mean?

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Like you think you think the
government is getting up in the

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morning going what is in the
best interest of the people?

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Here's what I've been saying a
lot lately too.

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I don't.
Know if you want to just and I

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mean, I'm not red, I'm not.
If you want to just bitch at me,

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like I've been saying this a lot
lately.

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If you just want to bitch at me,
I'll, I'll listen.

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But if you actually want to hear
the truth, then you need to shut

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up and I'll tell you what it is.
Or I'll say I don't know, you

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know, and we'll move on from
there.

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But the difference between me
and most people is you just said

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it.
They want to tell you how you're

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wrong.
Right.

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And and you're not going to,
because it's like, if you can

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hate everything about anybody,
then I think you're probably the

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problem, right?
Because I'll tell you this man,

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even Hitler had a dog.
Like, you know what I'm saying?

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So it's like, if, if the only
you can't find one good thing

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about anybody, then I really
think that there is some work

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you have to do, man, Because
it's like, like I said, I mean,

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I don't like the state of the
world right now.

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I'm terrified, you know, and the
only thing that saved me is the

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fact that I know that this is
all temporary in the big

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picture, right?
Like I know my life is going to

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far surpass the, the earthly
level, you know what I mean?

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So I'm not kidding, you know, I,
I, I hate the thought of the

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world going on without me.
I got to be honest.

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Well.
Everybody does, I think.

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To some level.
But see, here's the thing

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though, I don't I could care
less what the world is right now

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because it doesn't affect my
day-to-day life, right?

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The world is the world.
I just I just live in it.

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So all this being said, we got
so far off topic because we're

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talking about music, not
politics, right?

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Thank you.
So we're going to go.

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We're going to go back.
To all he wanted to do was talk

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about politics and, and, and he
wanted to argue with.

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And see what it does.
With me and then finally we were

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just like the level of toxicity
I saw with this dude.

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It was, I just was like, I can't
do do this with you anymore

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because I try to work with
people's behavior because that's

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kind of what my job is.
I'm in social work outside of

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music, right?
So my job is to understand

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people, right.
When I've seen a level of

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toxicity like I, I remember the
last thing I said to him was I

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want to work with you on this,
but I've never seen this before.

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I don't know what this is.
So you got to go right?

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And you know, it wasn't pretty.
And he's the only guy that we we

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part a ways with in any bad way.
What?

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Was his response to that Chad?
What was his response to that

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when you?
You guys are shit bags.

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You're dumb.
You, you know, you're toxic.

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It's you guys.
I was never really a member and

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it's like I tried, you know what
I mean?

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And he's still going.
On SO, it just became people.

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Still come to me.
Going it just became more of the

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same well.
Put it this way, like there's,

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there comes a point in
somebody's life where I mean,

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if, if I keep running into the
same problem all the time,

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eventually I got to realize what
the common denominator is,

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right?
And it's like this guy has the

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exact same, he's always at war
with somebody.

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There's always somebody who just
doesn't understand him.

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And I'm like, OK, man, we'll go
do that over there.

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Like maybe you need to do your
own thing.

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So I let him go.
And then we ended up, you know,

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with the new guy and he's, you
know, you know, he's Manet.

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He's he's wicked.
He's a great drummer, very

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enthusiastic.
And he's like a, he's right in

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between Portnoy and Tommy
Aldridge, right?

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Like he's somewhere right in the
middle for his style.

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And he came in when he
auditioned and he learned the,

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the record and he came in and he
just played it right, you know,

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And it's always, you know, it's
always the, the, the, what do

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you call it?
The, the honeymoon phase, you

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know, comes in for a minute and
then then it starts becoming

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work again.
And so, you know, you got to

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learn how to work with someone
new again, right?

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And not becomes difficult
because it's like, we do it this

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way and then we bring in this
guy and he wants to do it away.

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And we're going like, hey, wait,
no, like this is ours and that,

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but we want to give it to you.
But we don't want to.

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You know what I mean?
So we got to figure that out,

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right?
But we have we we've come to a

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really awesome place and I
really like it.

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That's good.
Yeah.

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But drummers are hard, man.
That's good.

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They are, yeah.
That's, and that's kind of where

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I was going with it because
again, singers and drummers,

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they have to have so much of
themselves put into the music,

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especially from a recording
standpoint, writing standpoint,

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even more so from a performance
standpoint, that to me, we've

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yet to replace those two
elements in a band.

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That's got to be the most
difficult pieces to replace

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because there's so many levels
to being a singer, but there's

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so many levels to being a
drummer too.

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And people out in the public
watching the bands don't realize

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how intricate A drummer truly is
when it comes to the creation of

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music and the following the
beats.

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I mean, Scott would change
something on a song at at

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rehearsal and I'd be like, holy
shit, right.

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Like that just changed the
dynamic of the song.

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It will something as simple as a
simple grab in the right place,

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you know what I mean?
Like, you know, and I, you know,

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and so like when you bring a guy
in, you know, and you've already

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got 2 albums worth of material
and certain things are there for

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certain reasons.
You know, there's certain cues

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and there's certain, you know
what I mean?

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And and it's like you got to,
you know, it's, it's hard to

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look at a guy and go, no, I need
you to play it exactly like

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that.
Right, right.

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It makes me feel bad to do that.
But there's some parts where

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it's like this is non
negotiable.

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You have to.
Yeah, you could.

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You have to.
Could you imagine going into

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Tool and doing things your way?
It wouldn't work.

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It just wouldn't like.
And you can't replace a guy like

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Danny Carey anything.
You just can't.

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No.
Well, that's that's kind of like

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Rush going on tour without Neil
Pert.

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It's not Rush.
Fuck off.

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I love Geddy.
I love Rush.

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I love Neil.
Right.

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I love them all.
I call it what it is.

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You can't go on tour.
You can't go on tour without

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Rush.
Without.

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Without.
Yeah.

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You can't go on.
Zeppelin's not Zeppelin without

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Bonham.
I don't care if it's son plays

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or not.
It's not Bonham.

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It's not Bongo.
You're gonzo.

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He's just you.
Just.

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Yeah.
Go ahead, Mike.

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I can't call it Van Halen
anymore, right?

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No, it's Van Halen, Yeah.
And you know what though?

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Like the cool thing about that
kind of stuff is, is.

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Oh, with, you mean with Eddie?
If they go back without Eddie,

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Yeah, that's not bad.
Yeah, you.

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00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,920
Couldn't recreate Van Halen.
You can't recreate LEDs up.

444
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,840
You guys are right, there's just
certain members of certain bands

445
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,040
that.
The doors, They're irritatingly.

446
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:54,560
The Doors, Did you hear the
albums they did?

447
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:55,240
Without.
Jim.

448
00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:58,240
No, because that's how bad they
were.

449
00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:59,720
Yeah, it was terrible man.
I get it.

450
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,120
Just out of curiosity, did it
ever suck?

451
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:07,520
Like beyond sucks like UN unlist
Almost like put it in a worse

452
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,200
insane anger.
Wow.

453
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:16,120
That band might be the best
example of a rock band that you

454
00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:18,800
could never recreate without one
of those members.

455
00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:21,360
They they were so unique to each
other.

456
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,640
You had a flamenco guitar
player, a jazz drummer, a poet

457
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,160
and a classically trained
pianist.

458
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,520
Well, that's kind of how I feel
with with Joe and Jeff.

459
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,720
And thank God I've never, you
know, I've never had to part

460
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,120
ways with them or replace either
of them because sadly, you know,

461
00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:40,560
like, and I don't want to say
the drummer's expendable because

462
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,360
that's not what I'm saying.
It's like, but we've had no

463
00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:44,680
choice but to, you know what I
mean?

464
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,040
So it's like we, we learned that
we can, but the thought of

465
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,400
replacing Joe or Jeff, for me,
it just, it wouldn't make sense,

466
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,880
you know what I mean?
And and being the singer of the

467
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,600
band too, I noticed like a lot
of, a lot of articles get

468
00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,240
written about me because it's my
name.

469
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,000
It's me.
And I don't think Joe and Jeff

470
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,840
get a lot of of the attention or
the recognition they deserve

471
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,120
because.
These.

472
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,320
Songs are not written only by
me.

473
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,800
I don't play anything, you know?
And it's like so the music.

474
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:14,280
But you do.
But you.

475
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,160
But I'm going to stop.
I'm going to stop you there

476
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,280
because Mike and I have had this
debate with a lot of other bands

477
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,960
that have come on this show.
Yeah, singers do play.

478
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,600
Our voices are our instrument.
We have an input, how the song

479
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,360
is written, the dynamic of the
melody.

480
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,080
We do have an instrument, it
just happens to be our body

481
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,640
instead of an extension of.
Our Well, he said it earlier,

482
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,000
The drummer's gonna yell at you
if you're too far inside or

483
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,280
outside of that one at every
measure.

484
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,320
Right.
You know and you know and you.

485
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,280
Can you can screw up the flow of
the song for?

486
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,120
Sure, well, sure.
And the and The thing is like,

487
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,400
I'm not the kind of guy that
just shits out songs like I need

488
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,520
time with them, right?
And I don't know if you've had a

489
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,720
chance to listen to much of our
stuff, and that's cool if you

490
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,680
haven't.
Like no, no judgement, but the

491
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,280
one thing.
We do is we post it on.

492
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,560
Social media, we really write.
Hooks and shit.

493
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,960
Right, and and every chorus is a
banger.

494
00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:08,240
And I don't say that arrogantly
or I, I say it confidently,

495
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,440
right?
Like they're, they're bangers.

496
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,440
And, and there's a reason
because we don't just go, Oh,

497
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,000
that fits.
It's like, you know what I mean?

498
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,320
And it's like when we write, we
always put ourselves outside of

499
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,080
it and we go, if I was not in
this band, would I listen to it?

500
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:25,800
Right.
And it's like, and if I

501
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,080
wouldn't.
And, and the other thing too is

502
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:33,680
we don't waste money by not
having it produced properly,

503
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,840
because to me that will kill any
band like bad production.

504
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,000
Like there's so many great bands
that I've toured with over the

505
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,920
years that I would go see them
live and they would wipe the

506
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,560
stage with anybody.
And I'm talking anybody.

507
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:52,040
Like the bands I came up with,
they were fucking killer, man.

508
00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:55,440
And then and then you go by
their demo off the table and you

509
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,000
get it home and, and it's
basically a coaster because it

510
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,960
sounds like dog shit, right?
Well, I'll get.

511
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,160
I'll get.
Crucified for this one, but

512
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,440
crank up, kill them all.
Yeah, and then go see Metallica

513
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,600
play them those songs live.
I get it.

514
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,520
And tell me there's not an
entire difference.

515
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:11,600
Right.
And that's what I mean.

516
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,680
So it's like that.
Production value was lacking.

517
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,520
If you're not going to put your
money into your art, then then

518
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,600
step away, right?
Like how can you afford a case

519
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:24,080
of beer every day, but you can't
put out a good record, You know,

520
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,720
How is that a thing?
You know, you, you have no

521
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,360
problem smoking a pack of
cigarettes today, but your album

522
00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:33,120
sounds like shit.
You know, you drink coffee every

523
00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:35,160
day on your way to work.
You grab your Starbucks, your

524
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,720
Tim horton's or whatever it is
that's, you know, 343 to 5

525
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,600
bucks, you know, couple times a
day.

526
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,080
You can't put that in your
mixing and mastering, you know

527
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,000
what I mean?
Like.

528
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,640
Well, let's, let's just let's
just first just talk about the

529
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,040
fact why is a musician going
buying coffee from Starbucks?

530
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,920
OK, You should be going to
Circle K and buying a dollar

531
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,040
coffee because you have to have
the struggle.

532
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,480
It's the story when Metallica
was in the studio sitting

533
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,040
against the wall with nothing to
eat but baloney and mustard on

534
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,920
their hand.
OK, that's rock and that is

535
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,920
rock'n'roll.
Starbucks is not rock'n'roll.

536
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,680
So if you're a musician and you
haven't made it yet and you're

537
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,120
going to Starbucks every day,
I'm sorry you're not a musician.

538
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,600
No, you've already made it.
No.

539
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,040
If you've made it, you're
getting Starbucks.

540
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,080
If you haven't made it, you're
buying Circle K coffee and you

541
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,200
have Bolognese for lunch.
Fair enough.

542
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,440
And that's what I mean, right?
Everybody's, yeah, everybody's

543
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,800
got to struggle to get to where
they want to be, and that

544
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,560
struggle is part of the journey
to get to the top.

545
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,400
And now with the labels like.
There's it's a long.

546
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,520
Way and then if you want to
rock'n'roll, there you go.

547
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,560
But if you know, and now with
the labels being like what they

548
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,600
are, and there's barely anything
that you can even call a label

549
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,880
these days.
And with the label, you know,

550
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,160
basically what you're paying for
when you sign to a label is

551
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,040
management, right?
Because it's like you sign to a

552
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,760
label and, and nobody works for
free.

553
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,040
And that's fair.
You know what I mean?

554
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,000
Like you can't expect somebody
to work for free.

555
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,520
But back when there were record
labels, you had a person up in

556
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,400
all this money to cover you and
you'd make it all back.

557
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:04,800
And if you didn't, you got
dropped.

558
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,640
Well, now labels don't do that.
So now it's we need this upfront

559
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,200
to cover your your track this
round.

560
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,560
And you know what I mean?
And that's nothing against the

561
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,680
label.
It's just that's what it is now.

562
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,320
Thank you.
Not there and, and all that

563
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,800
stuff, right?
All the streaming site, you

564
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,040
know, people didn't understand
why Napster was, you know, why

565
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,360
Metallica was fighting with
Napster.

566
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:28,080
And I'll tell you, I'm a huge
Deftones fan.

567
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,400
I love Deftones, right, and
their first two albums together

568
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,520
and their second album is one of
my favorite albums of all time

569
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,280
around the fur.
But their first two albums

570
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,480
collectively sold.
I think it was like 150,000

571
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,200
copies of the the physical copy
back before the downloading.

572
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,280
Right now, their third album,
the White Pony was supposed to

573
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,120
come out and that was supposed
to be their like swan song.

574
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,400
That was supposed to be the one
that just like the dark side of

575
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,080
the moon or whatever, right?
And Napster comes out while

576
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:01,240
they're recording it, and I
think it was like a year before

577
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,520
the album was released or six
months or something.

578
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:09,360
It was downloaded 400,000 times.
Now collectively they'd only

579
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:13,320
sold 120,000 their let their
album that was just 300,000

580
00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:16,800
times.
That's a career in those days.

581
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,480
Oh yeah, 20 bucks a pop.
Back then.

582
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,720
Yeah, You know what I mean?
Yeah.

583
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,800
And now it's like you, you buy,
you go on Spotify or you go on

584
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,160
Apple, you go on whatever.
Like there's no value in music

585
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,200
to people because they're
overwhelmed with it.

586
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,240
Just like information.
Well, well, just a minute there,

587
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,360
Chad.
When I buy my music, I buy the

588
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:35,800
entire album on Apple.
I just don't buy one song.

589
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,000
Even if I don't end up liking
the other 10 songs, and we've

590
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,720
talked about this, I still buy
the entire album right now.

591
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,920
Mike on the other hand, he'll go
to Spotify.

592
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,840
My son goes to Spotify and I
explained to my son, dude, you

593
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,080
got to go to Apple, go buy the
whole album and I use the Snoop

594
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:50,760
Dogg exam.
I.

595
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,120
Already bought most of those
albums once already.

596
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,080
I know, I know.
Yeah, me too.

597
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,920
I mean, I bought from cassette
to CD.

598
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,160
I mean, all the way up.
I've done it.

599
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,280
But still, that's the thing.
And to, to, to touch on your

600
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,400
Napster thing, because Mike and
I have had a conversation about

601
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,040
this forever and ever and ever
and ever.

602
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,520
The reason my Metallica is
Metallica is because they were

603
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,360
bootlegged to death.
Nobody would play their music on

604
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:13,360
the radio.
So there's two ways to look at

605
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:15,400
what Lars did.
Now looking back on it, what he

606
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,640
did was fucking all hands on
deck champion for the music

607
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,880
industry.
But they wouldn't be Metallica

608
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,200
without being bootlegged to.
Death.

609
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,480
No, because nobody played.
The problem was nobody was

610
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,400
listening to him at the time
when he said correct, I'm not

611
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,480
fighting for my band.
My band was already established.

612
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,840
My band will be just fine.
I'm fighting for the person that

613
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,400
nobody he's fighting for Chris
and Mike and Chad, the musicians

614
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,320
that nobody knows right now.
Because because this was way

615
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,760
before social media too.
That's the other thing that

616
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,840
people don't put into
perspective is this is still in

617
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,640
the days of CDs and bands going
out and flyering Hollywood and

618
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,920
Phoenix and you know, just.
Like we did, we didn't.

619
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,720
Have a website to post to it.
It was a very what do they call

620
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,640
that?
It was a very romantic time to

621
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,920
be in the music business, you
know, because there was still

622
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,720
that air of mystery about it,
right?

623
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,560
Yeah, we've talked about that
too.

624
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,120
When you when you go see a band
for the first time before MTV

625
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,320
and came out, the the lights go
down, the music starts and the

626
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,960
chills and the lights come up
because, because you see you see

627
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,920
your your musical icons for the
first time alive.

628
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,440
And it's like, holy shit,
they're real.

629
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,360
That's what they look like that
that's what the guitars look

630
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:26,440
like.
That's what the stage looks

631
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,200
like.
You, it was like, you know,

632
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,360
Christmas morning, you're
opening up a the present you

633
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,400
always wanted.
There they are, right?

634
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,720
MTV took that visualization
away.

635
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,760
Right.
But it but it also built it also

636
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,480
built empires of musicians and
bands because of it.

637
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,520
Well, and the other thing too is
it's like, you know, I remember

638
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,320
when I was in high school, I
knew maybe three guys that were

639
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,160
in a band, right?
And that way you, I don't think

640
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,880
there was a time when you, it
required you to learn how to

641
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,800
play your instrument, right.
And so like then all of a sudden

642
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,240
everybody put on their grandpa's
sweater and went down in their

643
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,720
basement and learned three
chords.

644
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,200
And that's, you know what I
mean?

645
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,120
And then they became these
grunge legends.

646
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,440
And I'm going like, and I'm
going to, I'm going to these

647
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,320
clubs and I'm seeing these
people that look like they just

648
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,720
got off work.
And don't get me wrong, we got

649
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,080
some great music out of that.
Like, I mean, you got Alice in

650
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,280
change a sound garden.
You know, there's the rest I

651
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,560
really didn't care about, you
know what I mean?

652
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,640
But as far as that goes, it's
like when everybody all of a

653
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,280
sudden, like, here's the thing,
you can have Pro Tools in your

654
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:31,480
living room, but you can also
have Photoshop in your in your

655
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,320
on your computer.
But you know, that doesn't mean

656
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,520
that you take great pictures,
you know, and even if you know,

657
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,600
you still have to know how to
use the program.

658
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,080
So if you're just shitting out
this music and running it

659
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,200
through Pro Tools thinking
you're doing good, you got to

660
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,760
know how to catch those moments,
right?

661
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,240
You got to catch that right
curve.

662
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,400
You got to catch, you know, just
like the picture, you can edit

663
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,320
it all the shit, but it you
know, unless you caught that

664
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,520
moment where the you know, the
the little butterfly is landing

665
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,880
directly on the flower at that
perfect moment, that picture

666
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,160
doesn't mean anything.
You know, like listen to Slave

667
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,920
to the Grass Skid Row.
OK, look, I want to talk about

668
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,400
value, OK?
We've had, we've had this going.

669
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,800
We've we've gone all these
political directions, man, I

670
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,080
need to, I need to be the
drummer and put you in check,

671
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:21,120
check, relax.
OK, we got 1/2 an hour left.

672
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,080
And I want to promote your band
where you've been, where you're

673
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,320
going.
What do you have coming up in

674
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,160
2026?
Well, people can find your

675
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,040
music, all the things because
that's why you're here.

676
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,840
You're talking to two musicians
that are all about helping other

677
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,640
musicians like yourself branch
out.

678
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,640
Obviously, I'm assuming you're
from Canada because you've used

679
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,040
your words like bangers, eh?
Which is awesome.

680
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,360
We love Canadians.
So you had to feel my love for

681
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,480
the Rush thing.
Like you're not on tour as Rush

682
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,920
anymore.
So stop it before we do.

683
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,040
I want a real quick answer.
Yes or no?

684
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,360
Do you?
Are you excited about Triumph

685
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,680
going back out on the road?
I am.

686
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,840
OK, because I'm not.
They're too old, man.

687
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,280
You can't do the songs justice.
Yeah, I think it's.

688
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,400
Just I've seen clips.
I've seen clips.

689
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:02,520
I know, but I've seen clips of
it.

690
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,000
I just don't tarnish the legacy,
man.

691
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,040
Don't tarnish the legacy.
Yeah, I I, I love triumph.

692
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,360
I have them in my playlist.
I love everything they did.

693
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,480
But it's like, dude, just like,
just come on.

694
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,440
It's, you know, you reach a
point in your career you just

695
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,280
got called a day, man.
David the Roth fucking hanging

696
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:21,920
up.
Oh, dude, Klaus May and the

697
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,400
scorpions hanging up.
You just can't do it anymore.

698
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,480
So off that soapbox now is the
website.

699
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,920
What is it valuer dot?
Com yeah, we haven't got that up

700
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,400
yet.
So it's just all the socials.

701
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,600
So all the socials we have like
Facebook and and you know, it's

702
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,120
some of it's yeah, it's all
valuer.

703
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,640
You just got to look that up on
everything.

704
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,200
OK, so I'm going to, I'm going
to tell you right now, get your

705
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,880
website.
The reason why Mike built our

706
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,880
website over Christmas and the
amount of growth we've achieved

707
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,080
online presence wise is
phenomenal.

708
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,800
Cool, well we got our graphics
guys doing our our website right

709
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,000
now so.
Yeah, and make sure on the

710
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,040
website, which you probably
know, but we've, we've had a lot

711
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,600
of bands on here, they don't
have websites like you got to

712
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,600
have your booking dates, you got
to have merch, you got to have

713
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,160
you got the ones that have it.
It's fantastic.

714
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,520
Because then why we're having a
conversation, get yours done to

715
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,560
come back on.
Because then I scroll through

716
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,520
the pictures and stuff, I scroll
through all your merch and

717
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,040
stuff, why we're having a
conversation.

718
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,600
So it's like an ongoing
commercial for you and your band

719
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,720
for the full hour.
So get that.

720
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,360
Once you get that done, reach
back out and we'll get you back

721
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,360
on the show because then we can
get an update where you are and

722
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,200
all that.
So that being that being said,

723
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,080
what's up for value in 2026?
What are you guys?

724
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,760
Doing we are in the process of
working out the but we were, we

725
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,520
were scheduled to go on tour.
We're starting in February.

726
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,400
We all have day jobs.
So you know, it had to work

727
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,560
around where we could book
holidays and things like that.

728
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,040
And it worked out good.
Sure.

729
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,440
However, the tour that we were
doing, the band that we were

730
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,160
doing it with dropped off our
label.

731
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,560
And so it's it's starting in
from scratch now.

732
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,240
And so it's in the process, it's
happening, it's all coming

733
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,480
together.
You're going to see us and we're

734
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,320
still playing shows locally and
things like that.

735
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:04,080
So we have a show in in our
hometown Oshawa on February 28th

736
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,520
at the Atria and we have a show
in Toronto at the Rock Pile

737
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,840
March 20th.
And but I mean, as far as that

738
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,840
goes, we're just trying to get
that tour together, but we just

739
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,719
don't stop playing whenever
something comes up, right?

740
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,199
OK.
And your label self-made

741
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:19,880
records.
Yes, Sir, Yeah.

742
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,239
You got to give a shout out to
your label.

743
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,360
Yeah, man, shout out to Eric and
self-made records.

744
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,920
He he, he works hard man.
I talk to him every day.

745
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,239
He's that guy.
I talk to you every day.

746
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,360
He's just always on fire.
You're a.

747
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,600
You're a.
Record Digital.

748
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,360
Distribution, that's how oh so
we're.

749
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:37,800
Putting He just told you he just
called.

750
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,199
He just called you a true rock.
Star Oh, thanks, man.

751
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:42,560
Thanks, Eric.
And he gave us, he gave us a

752
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,280
shout out to Chris.
There's the other one.

753
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:48,080
Oh, I know, I know.
Yeah, it's all good so but and

754
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,840
you aren't so YouTube is just
valuer, valuer music.

755
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,760
Valuer.
Everything's just valuer.

756
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:55,199
We got it all.
Insta would.

757
00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:02,080
I think I even have sub stack.
OK, so I'm going to pull this up

758
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,960
because again, again, the part
of what we do here is we'd like

759
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,800
to share and promote and which
is probably why because I know

760
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,800
we had somebody else on from
from self-made records and

761
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,240
you're going to shoot me because
I don't remember.

762
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:14,200
I'm sorry.
He's not going to want to say

763
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,360
because that's the band that
dropped off the label.

764
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,880
Oh, OK, so there's the band.
That's why I didn't so.

765
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,240
OK, so there's Chad, there's
Chad.

766
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:24,480
I, I love the haircut, man.
Baldwin United.

767
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:25,680
Thank you.
That's what I was getting at

768
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,080
earlier.
I wanted to make sure you

769
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,880
subscribed.
Did you subscribe to the to the

770
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,120
way of life?
Because I did this dude, when

771
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:37,520
nobody was shaving their head
and we got booked at a Skinhead

772
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,240
concert and we fit right in and
we're like, what the hell did

773
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:42,080
you book us on?
Just because the way I looked

774
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:45,040
and we still won them over.
And then we never did that again

775
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,080
because it's like, I don't.
Think so?

776
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,600
That's not the company you want
to be keeping.

777
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,800
Just because I look like this
doesn't mean I'm.

778
00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:55,680
So there's, there's this is,
yeah.

779
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,320
This is, you know, what's cool
about this video, what I love

780
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,120
the most about it is all the all
the live footage was filmed by

781
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,320
fans, right?
So some of it is really grainy,

782
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,840
but I didn't care.
I was like, I love that this is

783
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,320
as gritty and dirty.
It's like an old school video,

784
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,560
right?
And I was just really excited to

785
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,000
put that together.
And, and then we have, we have

786
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,880
Human God coming out, I think
next month.

787
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,680
And we, we did the video for
that one too.

788
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,600
We, we were going to do one for
supper, but all the footage we

789
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,640
got to put together, we may
still do it, but we're just kind

790
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,400
of trying to.
The footage we got didn't work

791
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,240
out as well as we'd hoped.
And we got a bunch of live stuff

792
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:38,560
and it wasn't even like good
enough to be grainy, you know

793
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,080
what I mean?
But the cool thing about supper

794
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,680
is we had Mark Rizzo from
Soulfly play the lead on that

795
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,400
chat.
Awesome.

796
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,400
Yeah.
We ended up opening for him in

797
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,240
Toronto and he he watched the
set and he just reached out to

798
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:51,520
me after.
He's like, you ever want me to

799
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,440
play a lead on that?
Let me know.

800
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,440
And I said, OK, here's the song.
I wasted no time.

801
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,320
And then he did it.
And then there was talks about

802
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,280
because his, I don't know if
it's his wife or his girlfriend,

803
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,600
I don't know if they're married
or not, but she does a lot of

804
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,840
videos for people like the
butcher babies and things like

805
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,800
that, right?
So, so there was talk about her

806
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,440
doing a video for it.
But you know, the budget I'd

807
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,240
have to go out to to the States
and, and you know what I mean?

808
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:21,520
It's a lot of a lot of money
right now for us to do something

809
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:22,800
like that.
Right.

810
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,800
OK, so as this video is playing,
point out, point out who's who,

811
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,800
who's who's next to right there.
Playing that's Joe.

812
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,000
OK, that's Joe.
OK, so those are the 2 here

813
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,840
because he did that.
That's Nick the the guy we that

814
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,000
that was with us for like 6
years and he's in the video

815
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,200
because he did the out the
drummer.

816
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:44,040
And when we when we did this
album, we hadn't had mayonnaise

817
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,280
yet, right.
So we're yeah, like we're just

818
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,280
goofballs when we hang out, man.
Like we just always have so much

819
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,360
fun.
There was a band in that room.

820
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,080
It's funny.
And there's a band in that room

821
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:59,240
doing like really, really crappy
beats and it's just, yeah, we

822
00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:00,560
just like listen to this horse
shit.

823
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:05,080
Yeah.
Remember when we were talking

824
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,800
before the show, Chad and I told
you that I can just look at

825
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,480
someone and almost tell you
exactly who they.

826
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,520
Are.
I saw Nick for 1/10 of a second

827
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:18,600
and I knew I wouldn't like him.
Oh yeah, I'm not kidding you.

828
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,720
It's just, it's something about
it's the aura.

829
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,360
I can see their aura.
You talk to.

830
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:32,560
Him, he's like, no, maybe as a
person, but not as a musician.

831
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,160
Yeah, he's he's good at what he
does.

832
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,520
Yeah.
Was like I say, yeah.

833
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,480
And it's like some of this
footage, this is cool because I

834
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:40,840
don't watch this all the time,
right.

835
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,680
So I'm seeing things and this
was us.

836
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,760
Sometimes we'll we like to end
the night sometimes with the

837
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,040
Trooper by Iron Maiden.
We don't do covers.

838
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,960
Like we're not on a.
Cover band, but we like to just

839
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,000
switch it up once in a while
where we like surprise the the

840
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,600
crowd, right?
So when we come out and we do

841
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,480
the Trooper, the place calls
like nuclear, right?

842
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,400
And then the fact that I can
sing it it, it definitely helps,

843
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:05,720
right.
So.

844
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,560
Yeah, you got to nail that one
for sure.

845
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:08,640
Yeah.
And we do.

846
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,680
Sometimes we'll do Cochise as
well.

847
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,520
Oh, that's a good one.
Too, and we do that.

848
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,880
Really.
Well, I love that riff.

849
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,040
The one thing about us, man,
even if you hate us, like if you

850
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,800
didn't like us at all, you can't
deny that we're good at what we

851
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,720
do, right?
Yeah.

852
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,360
Yeah.
This is a cool video.

853
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,080
It is man, I really like it a
lot.

854
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,840
Very well edited.
And there's a.

855
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,080
Sorry, my wife texted me.
There's my wife.

856
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,640
Yeah, We don't stop up there,
man.

857
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:52,560
We don't stop.
And you know what's even funnier

858
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,560
Is Joe's the only guy in the
band with hair.

859
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,480
This is wrong with that,
Somebody's got to have hair.

860
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,840
You get Italian in a man.
You can't all be bald.

861
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,640
You got lots of hair.
You can't always be, Yeah, not

862
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,960
everyone can be bald, you know,
That's that's then you go back

863
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,080
to take the skinheads bowling
song, you know, it just doesn't

864
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,280
work.
Well, not everybody has a nicely

865
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,440
shaped head either, you know.
Some people have a German

866
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,560
monster head.
That's amazing.

867
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:22,840
That's amazing.
Every time I was sad about not

868
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,600
or every time I was sad about
losing my hair, I thought, well,

869
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:28,160
you know, at least it's round.
Yeah, it's.

870
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,080
Not flat on top, right?
Yeah, I'm pretty blessed because

871
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,880
my head's not all misshaped,
that's for sure.

872
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,080
Why did we why did we go from
Valor to a screensaver?

873
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,480
That's fucked up.
Yeah.

874
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,120
Did you see that?
I went from Valor to a

875
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,840
screensaver.
Like, how does that happen?

876
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,240
That's the dumbest thing ever.
I thought it.

877
00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:47,760
I thought it would have taken us
to your next video, man.

878
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,240
You'd hope so, right?
So dumb.

879
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,160
We got some stuff from before up
there.

880
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,600
We got beneath the machine and
Fall too Far.

881
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,920
Fall Too Far is a funny video
because I recorded that before I

882
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,440
got my license back.
And the whole video is me

883
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:05,600
driving around my hometown.
I'm driving around and like I'm

884
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,960
passing.
And the one thought we had to

885
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,800
keep going by was the police
station.

886
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,680
Oh, fun.
I'm like, of course, of course,

887
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,520
cameras all hooked up to the van
like like we're wheat bags then.

888
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,840
That's funny.
Hold on, we're going to bring

889
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,160
that one up.
Oh my God.

890
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,200
Commercials.
Really.

891
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:33,640
No, I don't.
There you go.

892
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,200
There I am just breaking the
law.

893
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:35,400
There.
You.

894
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,480
Go.
Well, come on.

895
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,200
There it is.
I like the logo.

896
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:43,760
Logo is cool.
Yeah, we.

897
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,920
Have like we, we try to change
it up every album.

898
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,920
Yeah, we like, we have one
that's all fire and it looks

899
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,560
really cool.
That's kind of our go to.

900
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,560
But for every album, we try to
switch it up a little bit.

901
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,680
I like your voice, dude.
We kind of have the same.

902
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:04,920
We have the same tone.
Like the song that we started

903
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,560
the show, the song we start the
show with.

904
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,400
That's that's that's Mike and I.
That's our band Nemesis, to give

905
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,280
you an idea.
When, Yeah, when you, you know,

906
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,600
when we're done here.
Send me links to your music.

907
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,920
I'd love to check it out.
Well, see, that's the glorious

908
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,080
thing about us.
We were we were rocking before

909
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:26,400
all the the media and the
digital age was, was, was there.

910
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,960
I think Mike can still send you
some some snippets of it.

911
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,920
But there's we're we're we're
part of the whole reason this

912
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,120
podcast came to light is because
I kept sending him songs because

913
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,720
I'm that guy that that I can
write a song in 3 minutes and I

914
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:44,720
hear I hear when we got together
and I'd hear the music that that

915
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,720
he had written.
Like kid you not, it, it, it was

916
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,840
two or three practices that I
wrote.

917
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,680
I, I replaced their entire
catalog.

918
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,360
I mean, I but I grant I showed
up with about 1500 songs on that

919
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:01,080
guy.
But yeah, we just, we we

920
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,840
preempted that age.
We were we were on the scene

921
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,800
right before Creed was
discovered.

922
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,080
And I tell everybody, we were
kind of Creed before Creed.

923
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,600
Was that?
That that kind of arena rock,

924
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,600
just catchy vibes.
Like I said, the first song,

925
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,000
right, the first song, the song
you hear from our intro is our

926
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,880
song Freeman.
And then when you watch the

927
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,520
episode, when it's produced, the
last song, it's called Listen to

928
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,680
Your Sin.
Both of those were written in

929
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,200
the 90s and they're still
relevant today.

930
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,080
They could still be airplayed if
they were at that level to do

931
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,680
so.
Like it's kind of cool about

932
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:38,680
that ass.
So value, you can find you

933
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,200
anywhere.
Just Google value, which is what

934
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,200
I did, and you, all your socials
come up beautiful, all your

935
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:45,600
videos.
You got a YouTube channel,

936
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,680
you're doing some tours, You got
a show in February, a show in

937
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,080
March.
Both are in Canada.

938
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,120
A Yeah, yeah.
Canada A yeah, we're working on

939
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,200
stuff for next year.
Like next year will be more like

940
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,280
out of out of the thing.
It was kind of a soft run.

941
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,360
You know, we're going to, we're
going to play like closer and

942
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,400
then next year we're going to
plan for bigger, right?

943
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,600
Right on.
So how nervous were you driving

944
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:07,880
past the police station every
time?

945
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,160
I was sitting in my pants.
I got my license back now.

946
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,520
So, I mean, hypothetically, if I
was had no license back then, I

947
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,920
would, I would have been very
afraid, right?

948
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,360
Yeah.
I dig that, I dig that.

949
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,080
I did complain on the on the
rocks because the water seems to

950
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,480
be going super fast, but it's
not really going super fast is.

951
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,040
It dude, he.
Was an effect.

952
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,000
He's a soldier.
Because when we were done, we

953
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:32,720
like, we did it in two days,
right?

954
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:36,760
So we did the skate park the one
day and at the end of the night

955
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,040
we were all done and they got
Jeff and they're like, come on,

956
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,120
we will.
We want to get a few scenes that

957
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,360
wasn't and so Jeff's out there
freezing his eyes on it was cold

958
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,040
like October or something it.
Looks it looks cold.

959
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,760
And he was, I was just like, see
ya, love ya, catch you later.

960
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,000
Like I'm going over.
And that's see, there, there it

961
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,680
is, boys and girls.
That's the glory of being a

962
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,560
musician.
You all your bandmates tell you

963
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,320
to fuck off while you go stand
in the cold and do B roll for an

964
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,680
hour or two.
See their faces when I pick up a

965
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:10,240
piece of gear.
See, I always help gear.

966
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,760
I always help with gear.
I wouldn't touch the drums for

967
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,160
about 6 months because Scott
would give me that look, but I

968
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,320
always help with gear.
I was never that guy that sat on

969
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,520
the curb and twiddling my thumbs
like as they loaded in and

970
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,360
loaded out.
I only had one thing to bring

971
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,480
and it was this epic mic stand
that was made out of my arm.

972
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,960
I had my drummer, my very second
band.

973
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,240
My drummer was an art major ASU,
so he took this black.

974
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,240
He took this black resin.
I'm trying to get a hold of me,

975
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:36,280
give me a picture.
And we molded my arm from my

976
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:37,600
hand all the way to my.
Shoulder.

977
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,920
So the mic stand fit perfectly
to my mouth and the mic was

978
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,360
inside my hand.
If you can vision that I'm

979
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,000
standing like this, this is my
hand and my arm.

980
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,400
And it broke down the Morrison
ties.

981
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,400
It broke down in the raven's
claw on the base of it.

982
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,520
And I could put my foot between
the raven's claws and I could

983
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,400
rock it back and forth on stage.
It was a mic stand before

984
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,560
anybody had mic stands.
You think people that have mic

985
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,600
stands now?
Fuck you, I did it first.

986
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,240
Well, what's the one?
The guy from 5 finger Deadline

987
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:07,960
his his mic stands.
Epic.

988
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,520
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter mine.

989
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:11,800
Mine was better and I did it
first.

990
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,520
At least at least 15 or 18.
If I make my way out there, you

991
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,680
make your way out here.
We're playing shows together.

992
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,360
That's going to be a thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

993
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,600
I I had I shaved my head before
anybody.

994
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,440
Everybody's like, what the fuck
are you doing?

995
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,800
My bald cap ripped for a play
would take two weeks to get and

996
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,120
I'm like, fuck it, I'll just
shave my head and it's kept

997
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,280
since 90 and we look great.
I should have the band practice.

998
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,120
Mike is like right and I should
have band practice.

999
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,560
And they all looked at like,
what did you do?

1000
00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:40,960
Well.
How are you going to sing

1001
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,080
without your hair?
Well, I sing better.

1002
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:45,560
I sing better without my hair.
First time I.

1003
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,720
Started barefoot and bald man.
First time I saw Pantera and

1004
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:51,960
he'd come out, I seen him
opening for Skid Row and he'd

1005
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,840
come out and he had no hair and
I was like, how is he singing

1006
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,000
like that?
I'm just a kid.

1007
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,400
I'm like, he's got no hair, man.
He's not cool, but he come out,

1008
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:02,920
he said.
Dude I've never seen anything

1009
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,920
like Pantera.
But see, OK, but but see, that's

1010
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,120
that magic moment that was taken
away from media, right?

1011
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,320
The first time you saw Pantera,
you were just like.

1012
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,280
Oh, you know.
Right.

1013
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,640
That's what I'm saying.
That's what's missing in the

1014
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:17,520
world today.
No.

1015
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:19,520
Yeah.
And Mike and I talked about this

1016
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,840
all time.
Everybody in this generation

1017
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,680
moving forward is never going to
have that.

1018
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:26,320
They're never going to have that
experience of standing in a

1019
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,760
Coliseum waiting for the band to
come on.

1020
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,320
They've never seen before.
They just heard on the.

1021
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:31,800
Radio.
Oh man, I'm telling you, there

1022
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,760
they are.
I like there was so many bands

1023
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,080
like that.
You know who did that for me too

1024
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,800
was Mud Vein.
Oh, I walked out.

1025
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,440
I walked out there from 60.
Miles from where I live.

1026
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,000
Fuck, is that right?
And I was just like, and then

1027
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,040
boom, like I'd heard dig and dig
was like epic.

1028
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,160
And I'm like, there's no way
they're that good live.

1029
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,880
Like there's not a chance.
And I went I was, like, proven

1030
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,160
wrong.
Yeah, yeah.

1031
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,080
Yeah, it's amazing seeing a band
live, especially even now, even

1032
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,320
nowadays, I think if you see a
band for the first time live,

1033
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,400
you're still going to have that,
that moment of awe.

1034
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,720
But you just I think it it some
of it's taken away because of

1035
00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:09,760
all the social media and you can
see what they look like.

1036
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,880
And, and, and there's so many
avenues to see him playing live

1037
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,520
and stuff.
It kind of loses some of the the

1038
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,000
mystique as Prince was famous
for.

1039
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,800
Like I don't want any, nobody
can have a phone in my shows,

1040
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,520
like don't fill me at all.
So you can't find a lot of

1041
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:27,880
stuff, bootleg stuff of him live
way better, right, Because then

1042
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,560
you still have that element of
damn, that's the one I wish I

1043
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,080
would have seen live.
Mike saw him live.

1044
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,640
So I'm super jealous about that.
So am I.

1045
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,240
And he has an amazing story
about that.

1046
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,720
But you know, it's we don't have
enough time for that story.

1047
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:41,320
Yeah, yeah, because we got to
make sure we hit we hit your

1048
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:42,920
thing.
So merchandise and stuff.

1049
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,560
Where do people get you?
Where do you just sell your

1050
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,960
merchandise that you we?
Do we have an online store

1051
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,720
through self-made records page
And our page, we linked it right

1052
00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:53,000
up and there's all kinds of cool
stuff on there.

1053
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,840
Yeah.
And we have stuff like I at the

1054
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,800
shows, I sell, we, we sell merch
and we also, I also sell my

1055
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,480
book.
I put a book out in August,

1056
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,840
right?
And it's a kind of a tell all

1057
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,480
book And, and I sell that at the
shows too, right.

1058
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,120
So yeah, we got, we got all
kinds of stuff usually happening

1059
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,760
merch wise.
So the Tell All book it's about

1060
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,400
how to make tacos from scratch
without using 100.

1061
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,040
Percent, 100% and like, use the
wraps.

1062
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,840
Use the wraps.
OK, so there's there's value,

1063
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,840
there's your come on, open up,
open up value.

1064
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:30,760
Let's go, man.
I got to go up here and click

1065
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,080
it.
Oh, I do.

1066
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:36,560
OK, so there's there's your
links.

1067
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,320
Yeah, man.
OK, so you have a website in a

1068
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:40,880
sense.
You just got to drive them to

1069
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,000
the label, which is cool.
Yep.

1070
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:44,880
So there's your tour stuff, the
Merge store.

1071
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,720
Let's go to the merge store.
Yeah.

1072
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,000
What are you seeing on the page?
Have you seen the merge store?

1073
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,840
I'm not seeing it yet.
All right.

1074
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,440
OK.
It'll come.

1075
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,120
If you build it, it will come.
Well, I just kind of got to

1076
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,840
change what I'm sharing some.
I mean, this app is this this

1077
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,880
this program.
This program is cool, but

1078
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,600
sometimes it doesn't let me
bounce between pages.

1079
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,360
There's a lot of cool stuff in
there, some cool hoodies.

1080
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,200
There's the merch, there's the
merch store.

1081
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,320
Yeah, you can buy the Blood
Soaked album.

1082
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,480
The album's not even out yet.
You can buy a Blood Soaked

1083
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,520
album.
OK, how's it blood soaked?

1084
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,680
It's just it's got like blood
splatter on it.

1085
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,720
Sorry, not blood soaked blood
splatter, right?

1086
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:25,080
Now I got to.
I got to.

1087
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,680
Now I got to change again.
Why is it going to OK Diamond?

1088
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,080
Because it's opening up a new
page every.

1089
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,600
Time.
I know, I know.

1090
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,520
Hold on.
You guys keep talking about

1091
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:37,920
stuff.
I'll get there.

1092
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,400
I do on stage sometimes I'll be
like, hey, what's up, you guys

1093
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:46,120
like stuff?
I used to give away true Strike.

1094
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,320
I'd give away 3 pitches of beer,
so we'd come out and play our

1095
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,960
first 3 songs back-to-back to
back just to have everybody like

1096
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:56,080
what the fuck is this about?
And then because of that, they

1097
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,320
were just captivated by us
immediately.

1098
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,600
So then I'd be like, who wants a
who wants a free beer?

1099
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,240
And the crowd would be quiet
because nobody did it.

1100
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,640
And I'm and I'd look at Mike.
I'm like fucking kidding me.

1101
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,240
I look back at the crowd in a
kind of a just like, okay,

1102
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:14,280
really, who wants a free beer?
Then all of a sudden divers like

1103
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,080
I'm like, OK, you the loudest
person right there, go see such

1104
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:20,800
and such at the bar.
I've already paid for a pitcher

1105
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,800
beer for you.
And then from that point on when

1106
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,440
I say that, then they, it got
word of mouth to where then I

1107
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:27,680
would just, I would just close
my eyes.

1108
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,280
Who wants free pitcher beer?
And they would all skim like,

1109
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:30,800
all right, you get a free
pitcher beer.

1110
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,760
And then they shut me down
because then so you can't buy a

1111
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,600
beer for somebody.
It's illegal in Arizona.

1112
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,080
So you they have to blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah.

1113
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:38,560
I'm like OK.
Is that true?

1114
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,440
So I would just, yeah.
We.

1115
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,840
Were considered here in Arizona.
If you're an employee of the

1116
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,440
establishment, we were
considered an employee of the

1117
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:48,200
bar.
Right.

1118
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:50,800
Yeah, so we got, we got around
it.

1119
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,840
We got around it.
We just ended up they've got the

1120
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,760
pitcher beer.
We'd have one of our band frames

1121
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,800
go up and give them the cash in
lieu of the pitcher cost.

1122
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,960
So it still worked, you know.
Or just flip it to 1.

1123
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,520
Way to the bar, you know.
We'll do that, but there's we'll

1124
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,400
give records out or we'll throw
like, because we, yeah, you know

1125
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,360
what I mean?
Or throw a T-shirt out like wear

1126
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,480
wanted to get off T-shirts,
stickers.

1127
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,720
Yeah, man.
I wouldn't go that far but I

1128
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:14,360
would.
I would.

1129
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,480
I was stickers and and T-shirts
all the time.

1130
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,160
We'd have 100 T-shirts and after
about 6 shows we had no

1131
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,360
T-shirts.
And then, you know, we have to

1132
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,200
make more, but that's.
How that shows you how long ago

1133
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,040
that was.
That was a big deal for us to

1134
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,200
have merchandise.
Yeah, you.

1135
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,280
Couldn't just go on a website.
Putting all that money out.

1136
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,480
It was super expensive back
then.

1137
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,960
You know, yeah, it's because, I
mean, spirits are cheap, man.

1138
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:38,960
No.
Well, now you have, you can buy

1139
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,160
this, the cheesy ass.
I've seen stuff online like the

1140
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,440
Gilden T-shirts are all caught
in heavy fucking stupid shirts.

1141
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,560
You get 100 of them for, you
know, $400.00.

1142
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,960
OK, so yeah, they suck.
Nobody's going to wear it.

1143
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,360
Yeah.
We want that artificial fabric

1144
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,400
that it adheres to our body and
it's breathable that, you know,

1145
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,640
half of 1/2 of the world has
died because of what it cost to

1146
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,760
make these.
You know, we want stuff that

1147
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,200
destroys the environment but
feels it looks really.

1148
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,200
Good.
You know we're not about sheep

1149
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:09,480
anymore.
Fuck the sheep, man.

1150
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,760
Yeah, let's get that weird rayon
type polymer to blend that

1151
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:13,800
doesn't.
Feel good on.

1152
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,760
China skies are black because of
it.

1153
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,080
You.
Know I want the shirt kids

1154
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,640
sweats for me.
Right, the little kids got to

1155
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,000
sew the sleeves because their
hands are so tiny.

1156
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,680
You know, the real American
products, man.

1157
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,200
Yeah, they're locating.
They're bleeding.

1158
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,480
Here's a nice so so we'll wrap,
we'll wrap this up Value, just

1159
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:35,840
go Google value.
You're going to find them

1160
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,160
anywhere and everywhere.
All their socials go check out

1161
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:39,800
their music on YouTube because
it's badass.

1162
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,920
Your music's outstanding, man.
It was really cool.

1163
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,520
On on self-made?
Yeah, on self-made records.

1164
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,040
Is it selfmaderecords.com?
Self-made Records, LLC.

1165
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,640
LLC Self-made Records LLC Google
that too, because then you can

1166
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,560
click on their page on the
website itself and get all their

1167
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,600
merch and all their updates and
all their things.

1168
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,320
Go follow them.
They're good guys.

1169
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:02,920
You've you've spent an hour with
Chad here.

1170
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,960
We had some pre show with them.
Dude, it's fucking super.

1171
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,240
Cool man.
Self-made Records is cool

1172
00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:09,240
because they've given us a
couple bands, so keep bringing

1173
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:11,560
us bands we love to promote your
artists because you're cool as

1174
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:12,640
fuck.
Absolutely.

1175
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:14,600
Anything else you want to add,
Chad?

1176
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,760
No man, just stay tuned.
More is coming and we're not.

1177
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,280
We're so far from even started
at this point.

1178
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,560
I can't even.
I'm stoked.

1179
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:24,880
Cool.
Yeah, man.

1180
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:27,640
Anything you once we once we get
done too.

1181
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,800
Once this is all edited out,
you're going to get 10 to 15

1182
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:30,800
reels.
You can share, however.

1183
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:31,640
You want?
Thanks man.

1184
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,240
So get all that, you can
backlink us, you can tag us,

1185
00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:36,960
we'll do the same with you.
And drop your stuff, We'll

1186
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,640
share.
Yeah, when you drop your stuff,

1187
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:40,840
we'll share it because that's
what we do.

1188
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,640
We'll help you, you know, get to
where you want to be.

1189
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,320
You're going to appreciate this
because of your recovery aspect

1190
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:46,400
of life.
Boys and girls, if you're

1191
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,320
feeling sorrowful or or suicidal
or depressed, don't do it.

1192
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,680
Go scream in a pillow.
Go journal, go run, go workout,

1193
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,280
go do something to change your
mindset.

1194
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,480
Find somebody to talk to.
If you cannot find someone to

1195
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,560
talk to, text 988.
Somebody is there waiting to

1196
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,320
talk to you to help talk you off
that ledge, to change your

1197
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,240
mindset.
You don't want to be that person

1198
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:05,240
leaves a hole in somebody else's
heart because you don't wake up

1199
00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:06,600
tomorrow.
So don't do that.

1200
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,440
Somebody does love you.
Somebody will miss you.

1201
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,440
So remember that.
For the Christian Michael, I'm

1202
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:11,040
Chris.
He's Mike.

1203
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,800
This is Chad Value from the band
Valuer.

1204
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,000
Until next time, peace and love.
See you man.

1205
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,400
Peace.
Appreciate your time, I can't

1206
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,160
wait to see it again.
Thanks for coming on.

1207
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,360
Brother, absolutely don't leave
until Mike says you can.

1208
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,200
Yeah, I'm not leaving.
Just talk with me.

1209
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:27,960
You got to stop.