#166 - Joseph "Apache Joe" Proctor

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Welcome YouTube and Twitchers
welcome.

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YouTube and twitchers.
I always look at the upload

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percentage when I first start to
see if my internet's being wacky

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or not.
Yeah.

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What's up there, boys and girls?
This is Chris and Mike.

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Sure.
I'm Chris.

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He's Mike.
And this is Joe Apache.

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Joe coming on the show today,
talking, going to talk about all

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kinds of fun things from from
running to health to fitness to

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recovery.
He's he's he and I kind of live

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in the same neck of the woods in
the East Valley, which is kind

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of cool.
We met in a Facebook group

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dedicated to fellow fathers.
So we pulled them on the show

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because why not?
How are you, Joe?

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Well, I'm doing good.
Thanks for having me guys.

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You are very.
Welcome, man.

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So let's now, so I, I kind of
just kind of pointed out who you

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are.
So let's talk a little bit about

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what got you in to, you know,
all the things fitness related

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and health related, because
there's always a reason why

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somebody goes down that path,
especially when you're as

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disciplined as it in it as you
are.

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Like myself.
I did it because when I stopped

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drinking, I needed I needed
something else to fulfill that

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addictive personality.
So it just was a natural

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progression to turn into working
out.

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And then, you know, 20 years
later, here we sit or here I

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sit.
Hey, hey, Mikey, we have a we

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have a long time listening.
It always pops on our show.

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Mikey, the Mikey Castillo did.
So he just chimed in and said

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hello.
So saying hello back.

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Go ahead, Joey, introduce
yourself.

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Give us a little bit of a
background, who you are, what

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you're all about.
And you know, we don't need to

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talk about your CIA stuff and
your you bet your Blackwater

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special OPS business thing that
you do.

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We'll just keep that hush hush.
Don't tell us where the bodies

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are buried.
No.

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So my name's Joe and I grew up
in a town east of here called

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Apache Junction.
That's how I got the nickname of

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Apache Joe.
I ran.

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That's where my first band
practiced.

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No way where at.
That's go ahead, Mike.

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I'm trying to remember what Rd.
I turned off out there.

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It was a he lived in a trailer
Park Community out there.

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I think it was an over 55.
Oh, yeah, there's a bunch of

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them.
I was a banker out in Apache

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Junction for a while, and my
clientele was a lot of retired

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folks.
Most of them were retired.

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Yeah, yeah.
See, I, I lived out there.

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Interesting.
Go ahead.

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Go.
No go.

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Ahead I was going to say yeah,
I, I lived there until I ran

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track in high school and and for
my freshman year of college and

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I decided to start drinking.
Turns out I was really good at

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drinking.
So I like really good at that.

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And the worst part was I didn't
I didn't have hangovers and I

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wasn't like a jerk and I drank
so like afterwards people would

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be like, Joe, that was the most
amazing night ever We had so

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much fun.
It was like, yeah, it was great

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let's do it again.
And I did for a lot of years.

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So and then I, I, I got married
and we had our, we had our first

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kid.
We did a home birth and I

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thought I would be a really good
dad.

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Yeah, we did a home birth on all
of our brats, so.

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So, so, so stop there.
Yeah.

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How does the home birth think?
How does, how does the home

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birthday play out?
Because you can't.

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There's no epidural, right?
Dude, there's nothing.

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There's absolutely nothing.
There's there's a crunchy

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granola lady sitting next to
your wife going, you've got

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this.
You've like that's all they're

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in and there's a tub of water
and that's it.

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Like it's.
Like it's 1832 again.

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Yeah, so there was a movie,
there's a documentary called The

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Business of being Born.
And I watched this with my wife

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and it's all about hospitals and
Western medicine and how

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whatever, right, I'm going to
get too into it.

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And my my wife goes, Oh my gosh,
that's, that's what I want to

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do.
And so we decided to go to the

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home birth route and we're,
we're about 13 hours in of like

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very hard labor.
Like, she is like in a rough

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place.
I'm like, oh, my God, what have

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I done to my wife?
Like I thought I was the worst

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husband ever because I'm just
sitting there like, you're doing

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good, honey.
And then afterwards when when

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our son was born, I was like,
are you OK?

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And she's like, I wouldn't have
done it any other way.

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And then we did two more kids
that way.

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It was.
Yeah, yeah.

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So with with with traditional
like when women have babies in

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general, like the first was
always the hardest.

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My wife's had two.
So was it the same with with you

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guys?
The second third, a lot easier.

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Yeah, So the second was much
easier.

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The third was more difficult.
The baby was still in its sack

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when it was being born, so it
didn't come out as easily.

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It was the IT wasn't like an
easy, easy labor, but it was a,

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you know, it was a safe enough
birth, but it was like all all

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of them were all of more heart
than I thought it was going to

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be.
It was kind of crazy, but she

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did.
She did great.

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Let me ask you this, Joe, just
because that's what we do here

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and now.
We went down this road.

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Yeah.
Is the midwife the only legal

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ramification?
You know, what's the legalities

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of doing it at home?
Oh yeah, so you have to be

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healthy.
So if he goes the midwife route,

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you can get a doula, which is
like a cheering coach for you

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alongside the midwife.
The midwife's usually got some

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medical degrees, whether it's a
nurse or whatever, but you have

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to be healthy enough.
You have to be within a certain

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age group and a certain weight
limit.

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You can't be, you know, there's,
there's got to be all these

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boxes you can check off.
And if, if everything goes well,

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yeah, it's when, when my
brother, when my brother got

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pregnant, when you got his girl
pregnant years ago, the first

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thing I thought of was he didn't
have health insurance.

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He wasn't in the best part of,
you know, best place of life.

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And I thought, how's he going to
have this baby?

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And I thought, wait, we've been
having babies for a long time.

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Like, humans have been doing
this thing for a while.

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Like, I'm sure she'll, she'll
figure it out.

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And it's, yeah, it's, it's
pretty cool.

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Well, that's what just sparked
my curiosity.

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So if you and your wife just
wanted to do it by yourselves,

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is that legal or no?
I don't know, but my my new

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favorite phrase, my new favorite
phrase, I like to say is what

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kind of American would I be if I
asked for permission?

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I'm joking.
I wouldn't do this with the kid,

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right?
Like that's just a Amen.

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I love that.
Yeah.

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So this came this came this this
came to mind when you were

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sharing your story about the
person on in the background.

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You know, do it you.
Can do it.

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You can do it.
Yeah, you can.

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Do it.
Yeah, that was me.

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That was the whole.
Time you can do it.

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You can do it, you can do it.
Sorry for that.

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I couldn't do it fast enough
when you're telling the story.

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But that's the first thing that
popped my mind because my wife

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was giving birth to to both our
kids.

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I'm was I was sitting looking at
the wall and and I'm sorry.

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So she's she's birthing that
way.

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I'm this way now.
I got the hand.

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I'm like, you're good, babe.
You're good, babe.

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Because I didn't want to see it.
I had no, I had no desire to

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watch my children pop out of the
canal, man.

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Yeah.
I'm like, I'm good.

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I'm good.
I.

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Was the one that I caught him.
Oh.

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God.
Yeah, I know.

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Really.
First row C, dude.

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Yeah.
And so my second one, my

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daughter, who was the easy one,
she came out and as she came

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out, I couldn't pull her out
because there was a cord wrapped

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around her neck.
And I thought, OK, I'll just

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take this cord.
And we're we're doing a water

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birth, so I can't pull her out
of the water.

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I have to keep her in the water.
And so I'm like, OK, I'll just

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unwrap this cord.
This cord is wrapped.

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I couldn't even get my finger
under this cord.

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And I didn't want a lawn mower,
my wife to death and RIP this

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kid out.
So I was like, I don't know what

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to do.
That's when the midwives jumped

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in and took care of it and
everything was fine.

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So luckily, luckily, the
midwives, you know, were there.

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But it was, yeah, kind of a
spooky scenario.

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Yeah, yeah.
See my spooky scenario after our

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daughter was born, I left to
tell everybody, hey, you know,

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and I came back in and open the
door of the room and she's still

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exposed.
But it's it's it's just flowing

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blood.
She she was bleeding out.

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And I'm like, oh, fuck.
That night turn went right to

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the bathroom.
They had they had they grab sky,

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put her in an incubator.
She's gone.

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Which we didn't realize it was a
traumatic birth at all, right?

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So finally they one of the nurse
comes, gets me.

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She's like, you can come out of
the bathroom now.

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I was like, I don't need to see
that.

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I'm like, I'm good, you know?
And then she explains what's

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going on and she had she
hemorrhaged or something.

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But then they fixed it.
And so did all, you know, all

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good.
But yeah, when you're 25 years

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old, I think right to come
around the corner and this super

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high thing, whoa, I just had a
baby.

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Prepared for that.
Oh my God, it's just nothing.

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I mean, literally, I'm, I'm not
kidding, everywhere in your

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mind.
Oh God, it took forever for me

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to to come back to that.
You know, how do I say this

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delicately?
To engage in one of those those

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things you do with your spouse,
you know.

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In a positive.
Manner S it.

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It took me a while to like get
OK, you know, but yeah, that so

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I can't imagine home bursting
man.

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That would be freaky, especially
what you just said about your

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daughter in the court.
And yeah, that's you know, I

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don't.
Kudos to you man.

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I couldn't do it.
I can't even watch that stuff on

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TV.
I'm just not built like that.

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Yeah, it was it.
Was I have to look away.

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Even when it's on television, I
can't.

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The only reason my wife and I
did it is because there was no

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other option like my wife.
Like people always say oh I

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would have taken all the drugs I
could and my wife said so would

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I if they were offered to me
like we were at home.

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Like the only reason I didn't
take an epidural is because no

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one was there to give it to me
so.

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Right, so so hindsight. 2020 she
would have at least won an

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epidural.
No, no.

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So the epidural takes away a lot
of stuff.

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There's this crazy high that
happens after a woman gives

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birth that I didn't know about.
And if you're not, if you're not

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doped up or, you know, loaded up
with drugs, you don't feel it.

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So a lot like if you're out in
the wild and you give birth,

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you're not going to lay down for
three days and be worthless.

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You have to continue to live,
right.

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So my wife was up for a day and
1/2 for like on all three of our

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kids after she gave birth.
She was, she wasn't moving

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around, but she was awake.
She was like, she had this

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crazy, she was crying.
She was happy.

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She was, she was high as a kite.
And it was like the midwife

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said, yeah, this is this is what
happens when you don't do it in

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the hospital.
You get this crazy rush of, you

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know, some chemicals or
whatever.

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Endorphins dope me kind of like
after you, after you, you, you

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hit your target, you set out to
run a mile under 6 minutes and

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you hit it and it's just.
Like I could do anything.

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Yeah, your body just dumps those
chemicals naturally.

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Yeah, Yeah.
Wow, that's interesting.

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Yeah, that's interesting.
OK, well, so just all just a tub

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in the living room and.
And open your legs.

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Honey, we're gonna have a baby.
Yeah.

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Right.
Yeah, it was funny on the last

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one.
She was, she was in labor for so

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long.
And she was like, well, this is

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it.
And she looked at the midwife

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and she's like, OK, I tried.
The midwife's like, yeah, you're

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not done.
You don't get to just say I'm

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done.
Like this is you have to keep

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going.
So the midwife says, we'll be in

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the living room waiting for you.
And he's like, Oh my gosh.

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Oh.
Yeah, wow.

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So how long, how long, how long?
How long was the third one labor

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wise?
The third, so the labor wise on

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the third one was also about
1314 hours.

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But the funny, the second one,
when my wife's water broke, she

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didn't immediately go into
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And usually when your water
breaks, you go to the hospital,

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right?
And right when you go to the

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hospital, the first thing the
doctor does is check the wife to

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see how dilated she is.
And the second you check your

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wife, you've you've breached
that entry.

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And once you breach that entry,
the the hospital has 24 hours.

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We ought to get this kid out in
24 hours.

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That's a deadline, right?
So we didn't breach anything.

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We just knew her water broke.
So my midwife says, well, go for

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a walk, go on a date, go
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I took the next day off of work
and we're sitting around waiting

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for this day to show up.
Nothing.

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I had to go back to work the
next day because my job didn't

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give me maternity leave at that
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I had to go back to work the
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And I'm at my office going,
like, is my wife going to have

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this kid or not?
Finally that evening when I came

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home, she goes, OK, I think
we're going to have a kid.

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And it was like on the third day
after her water broke, it was

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the kid showed up.
Wow.

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Wow, that's amazing, man.
Yeah, that's yeah.

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Exercise is a funny thing
because we did that with Sky

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Sky's.
She broke water with Sky and she

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wasn't, she was like 2% dilated
and like 12% of faced.

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It was stupid.
So we went walking around the

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hospital and yeah, yeah, there's
yeah.

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Get on a trampoline, get it out
quicker, Yeah.

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That's a TikTok video.
So now that we've opened up the

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world of we've opened the world
of birthing.

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So let's let's take from there.
So we were and I was kind of the

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same way when I was drinking too
Joe, just so you know, I never

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really had hangovers.
I was never really a jerk.

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I was a functional alcoholic.
So I, I always thought I was a

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life of the party that, you
know, my wife has different

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opinions to that, which is fine,
but that was my thing too.

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I'd I never had a hangover.
I never woke up, you know, I

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woke up a few times, you know,
probably a dozen times over the

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years of like what I do last
night.

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But it wasn't.
It wasn't.

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I feel like hangover.
I never felt right it right.

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It is because we had a guy on
the show a while back that he

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was an alcoholic too and, and
he's recently been sober, but

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he's like every time you get
hammered and drunk, you're,

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you're, you're taking away the
next day you're.

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Like you're robbing from
tomorrow.

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You're robbing from tomorrow.
That's a good job, Mike.

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Way to pull that out, Rob.
Which I thought was brilliant

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because I never looked at it
that way.

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But you absolutely are robbing
from tomorrow.

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That's why I have a hangover.
It was brilliant.

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Yeah, because you're not going
to, you're not going to function

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the next day if you've drank so
much that you were, you know,

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blackout drunk.
So take take us down the path of

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of, you know, a little bit of
your your alcohol fun and let

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you just stop and how.
I really, I really liked

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alcohol.
It was, I was good at it.

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And I remember there was a time
in my 20s where I just took a a

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quick break.
I thought, am I, am I drinking

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too much?
My dad was an alcoholic.

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He drank a 12 pack every day.
He was like an everyday thing,

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but and he never, I never knew
when he was drunk.

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He was just always drinking beer
and that's that's what he did.

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But I remember I took a break
from drinking and I told my

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buddy who I just met after I
stopped drinking, I told my

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buddy all these crazy drink, you
know, drunk stories and he goes,

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man, I feel like I just missed
the fun Joe.

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I was like, oh man, that sucks.
I don't want to hear that so,

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but no, I so I started drinking
again when I moved, I moved back

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to Arizona and from Colorado.
And when I moved back, I started

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hanging out with my old buddies
and I was drinking and it was

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life of the party again.
And then my first son showed up

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and I wasn't drinking as much.
Things had changed, but it was,

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I still felt I was, I was on
head meds.

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It was like I didn't, I was very
depressed.

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I wasn't I wasn't just wanting
life to get better.

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I just want it to be over.
It was like I was counting down

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for for time to get done.
It was like, and it was this

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crappy.
I didn't I didn't fantasize

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about it, but I had suicidal
thoughts that just played in the

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back of my head like like
elevator music, like it's all I

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thought about.
And I wasn't yeah, and yes, it

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was like wherever I went, I knew
how I could end it.

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If I go here, there's a tall
building.

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If I go home, I have a firearm.
If I yeah, there was like if I'm

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driving, I can like it was.
And I don't know why this was,

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but for 10 years, my yeah, for
10 years, my wife harped on me

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about food.
She goes, you know, food might

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be the reason why you're so
depressed.

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I know you've been on these head
meds and I know you're seeing

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the the shrinks and the
psychiatrist and everyone

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they're giving you the medicine,
but maybe it's food.

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But my wife's not a doctor.
And so I didn't listen to her

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for 10 years and then we never.
Listen to our wives.

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Yeah, I know.
Until we have to.

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Yeah.
And then when my youngest son

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showed up and he started eating
solid foods as a little guy, we

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found out he was celiac.
So we had to get rid of gluten.

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And gluten is in everything that
tastes good.

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Everything.
Everything.

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Like everything.
So I I used to eat cereal

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nonstop.
Like cereal was my my staple.

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So I, I couldn't, I couldn't
have, I had gluten in the house

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and I wasn't going to be that
guy.

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That was like, there's daddy's
food, there's the kids food,

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right?
Like if it's, if the kids are

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being healthy, daddy needs to be
healthy.

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And it was after six months of
eating gluten free and being a

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real, real asshole to my wife,
like I was, I wasn't purposely

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being mean, but it was like I
remember saying, I remember

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saying, I used to say stuff
like, well, I guess I'll just go

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to sleep so I can dream about
the stuff that I like to do.

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All right, I was like, what the
hell are you talking about?

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There was like after six months
of not eating gluten, I started

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to wean myself off of the head
meds and started to like join a

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gym and and started to get
healthy.

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And I was like, wow, maybe,
maybe food was the reason she

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was.
Maybe she was right.

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Yeah, it's crazy, right?
Yeah.

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It's crazy how much food we
learned.

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We learned a lot about the food
and what you eat.

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When we had a guy named Nate
Palmer on the show, a physical

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health guru and there was like
breads, you know, and Whole

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Foods and stuff.
Like I always knew about that

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kind of thing, but I didn't
really understand it.

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So when we had Nate on, it's
like, holy shit, that's amazing.

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So we had stopped Nikki and I
had stopped doing the breads for

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a while, probably about a month
or so, just to see the dynamic

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of the change with it and it and
still to the to this day, we're

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not heavy into the breads
anymore.

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I still, I still do burritos,
homemade burritos and stuff from

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time to time.
My daughter makes some fantastic

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tortillas, but for the most part
I'm it's not a daily occurrence

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with tons of bread and and
because it it the the way it

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makes you feel is crazy.
I had.

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No idea.
Realize, right?

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That's what I'm saying.
You don't realize what is doing

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to your body until you stop.
Yeah, and just like not having a

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hangover.
I was never overweight, so I

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never thought food was my issue.
I was like, well, I'm not a fat

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guy.
Food's fine, right?

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I can eat whatever.
I can eat whatever I want.

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I used to say that shit all the
time.

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Well, I think to Chris's point,
we done, we didn't understand

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for a long time.
And to your point, that the food

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we were putting in our body is
what was causing the

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inflammation.
Yeah.

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It wasn't that we were
overdoing.

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You know, in some cases, sure,
you're overdoing it, especially

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for you guys.
You know, when you work out too

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much, you know, when you pushed
it too hard.

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But you would have never dreamed
in a million years until the

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last probably 5 or 10 years,
when science caught up with

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medicine, right, that food was
actually causing these problems.

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I've dealt with dietary
restrictions my entire life.

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I'm allergic to dairy.
My mom's allergic to seafood.

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She's allergic to nuts.
You know, we have to be super

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careful when we go out to eat.
Or, you know, to your point, at

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the grocery store, you got to
read every label.

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Yeah.
You find out what is in what

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when you can't have a certain
thing.

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And gluten is way worse than any
of the two that I just

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mentioned.
Or three.

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Yeah, and we didn't do the, we
didn't just slowly wean all the

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gluten out of our out of our
pantry.

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We went through with like a a
garbage can was like got rid of

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everything.
And the whole time I'm in the

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back, I'm like, no, like my
cereal.

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I've got a box.
I've got a box of Cinnamon Toast

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Crunch in my car that I got as a
gift five years ago from a

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buddy.
And I leave in the back of my

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car just in case the apocalypse
ever shows up.

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But like, I look at it and I
remind myself, you're not

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allowed to eat that crap.
Well, you said it, Joe, gluten

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is in everything.
It's just you people have no

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idea until, like you said,
somebody stands in front of you

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and says you can't have gluten
anymore.

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Now you're going through the
grocery store and it's like.

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Christ, I can't have anything.
Yeah, it's crazy.

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Thank you.
Yeah, well, and that goes back

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to, I'm sure you've seen the
pictures online that surface

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every now and then like a, a
beach scene in 1970, right?

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Right.
Yeah.

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And everybody's, everybody's,
everybody's leaning to fit.

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Just saw.
And there's, there's, right.

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And they're not, they're,
they're, you don't really see

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the overweightness.
You don't see the obesity at

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all.
It's just leaning fit.

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I mean, you're not, they're not
supermodels, male or female, but

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they're not, they don't have the
spare tires.

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They don't have the extra
baggage.

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But the food was so much cleaner
back then.

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Yeah, and that goes back to
Nate's point.

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When he was on there, we didn't
have all that processed food.

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Right then, right.
Everything is just super

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processed now.
Mm hmm.

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Yeah, the food, the food I eat
now is super simple and I, I

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know a lot of people wouldn't
like it, but it's like, I'll

446
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,880
make a like a bowl of ground
beef and I'll put honey in it

447
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,640
and that'll be my breakfast
like, or, or bacon and eggs.

448
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,920
Like it's yeah, like it's like
super simple.

449
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,880
And at 1st, at first I still
craved McDonald's.

450
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,880
I still craved the garbage food.
Like I still knew that, but it

451
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,160
was after a long enough time
now, like I know if I had a Big

452
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,560
Mac, I would my endorphin, I
would go bananas, right?

453
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,960
It would, it would taste
amazing, but I don't, I don't

454
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,520
let myself do that.
But after a a while of not

455
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,080
eating it, now I'm craving a
bowl of ground beef.

456
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,160
Now I'm craving just a a plate
of bacon.

457
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:20,600
That's it.
Like it's I.

458
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,760
I think it's just rewired your
brain.

459
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,800
Yes to to.
Say that that's pleasure.

460
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,760
Now that's your pleasure center.
But that takes a while, I think,

461
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:30,520
Chris.
'S side.

462
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,080
It wasn't an overnight sort of
thing.

463
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:32,800
What?
Is.

464
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:39,640
It 90 days 1000 times right
Reprogram a habit, right?

465
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,440
Right.
So, so I'm going to have to try

466
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,080
the ground beef and and honey.
That's interesting.

467
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,440
I've never heard of that.
Because I, I, I, I could tell

468
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:49,840
you my diet and you'd be like
every day.

469
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,560
I'm like every day except for
dinner.

470
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,120
I might, Nikki used to hate it
from when we, when I first

471
00:21:54,120 --> 00:21:56,560
started it, but I'm like, I'm
the easiest person in the world

472
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,320
to shop for when we go shopping.
It's like, I need this.

473
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,760
Yeah, that's it.
Yeah, yeah, we have that in

474
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,160
common.
I'm pretty much a creature of

475
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,200
habit because I I can't have a
lot of things right.

476
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,600
So let's go back to your
drinking Apache Joe.

477
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,320
So if you're the life of the
party, come back to Arizona.

478
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,440
And I had the same thing when I
stopped drinking, man.

479
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,920
All my friends like whatever,
man, it's not going to take

480
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,480
you're you're just going to stop
for a while and then because.

481
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,320
Secretly, everyone wants you to
fail.

482
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,560
And then, you know, ironically
enough, I don't, I don't really

483
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:27,960
have any of those friends in my
life anymore.

484
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,920
I had to hang out for a.
While but then yeah, that's

485
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,640
right.
And yeah, but yeah, so go ahead,

486
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,120
continue that that path because
that was that was interesting.

487
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,280
Yeah, so it was, it was actually
once, once the food changed and

488
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:46,200
I I found the gym, my son came
home from jiu jitsu practice and

489
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,320
I hadn't run in 23 years at this
point.

490
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,640
I had, I had been working out,
but it was I wasn't a nut.

491
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,000
And my son came home from jiu
jitsu practice and he said, my

492
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,280
coach said, if I want to be
better than others, I have to

493
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,920
train harder than others.
And I said, oh, I like that.

494
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,960
And he said, will you go run
with me?

495
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,080
And I said, oh man, yeah, I
guess so.

496
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,440
We, yeah, I, I didn't have a leg
to stand.

497
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:10,720
Like I didn't know why to say
no.

498
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,000
And I said.
Yeah, sure, because you can't

499
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,760
say no to your son.
I know.

500
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,440
Yeah.
We went, we went for a run and

501
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,400
it was like after that run, it
wasn't easy, but I I kept, I

502
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,960
kept doing it.
And then I, I started, I went

503
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,640
out and got a pair of running
shoes and kind of went, I went,

504
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,240
I went downhill from there or
uphill.

505
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:26,200
I don't know what you must say.
Yeah.

506
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,600
That's awesome.
So, so once, once you, you got

507
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,520
the you got the food.
So once you got the food, you

508
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,000
got the you.
You weaned yourself off the off

509
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,800
the head meds.
The head meds and the next big

510
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:40,720
thing.
Yeah.

511
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,120
The next big thing was nose
breathing, which sounds silly,

512
00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:46,360
but it was nose breathing.
I've been watching you.

513
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,240
I've been watching that.
You do that on Facebook, Dude,

514
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,160
that freaks me out because I
have asthma.

515
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:52,480
So I've.
Yeah.

516
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,280
Same here.
I've I've I used to have asthma.

517
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,320
Really.
Yes, OK, OK.

518
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:58,640
So.
This is unfortunately.

519
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,320
This is for me.
This is for me.

520
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,120
And I, I might still do.
I don't say I will anymore,

521
00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:06,160
right?
I'm, I tell myself I'm cured.

522
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,480
I tell myself with my depression
and my anxiety, I'm cured.

523
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,800
I was never broken.
I might have been lied to and

524
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,680
just maybe tricked that I was I
had asthma or tricked that I had

525
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,080
depression.
Maybe I just believed it.

526
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,000
I don't know.
But when I got into nose

527
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,120
breathing, I read this book
called Breath, and it was all

528
00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:27,400
about just nose breathing and
different, different cultures

529
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,040
and how, like, nose breathing
was a big deal, even like a lot

530
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,000
of Native Americans, when, when
the babies will sleep, they'll

531
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,360
hold the mouth of the baby's
clothes just so they'll breathe

532
00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:38,040
through their nose.
Yeah.

533
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,120
Which I thought was, I thought
was kind of crazy.

534
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,360
Yeah, so I went for, I was
supposed to meet up for my very

535
00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:46,440
first group run.
It was out at San Tan Mountain

536
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,440
and I was supposed to meet up
with this huge group run.

537
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,720
I was super excited.
I was like, OK, I'm healthy

538
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,080
enough to run with these other
people.

539
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,080
Like I'm I'm ready to go and I
show up to the wrong place and

540
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,600
it's just me and I'm pissed off
and I'm upset and I said all

541
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,280
right, I'm going to do this
crazy nose breathing thing and

542
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,720
I'm out running by my.
Side of the mountain did did did

543
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,040
you show up on the wrong side of
the mountain?

544
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:06,920
Yes, so I was supposed to show
up on the 1st.

545
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,960
Time I went outside first time?
Yep, Yep, Yep.

546
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,240
First time I went to Santander
to do the same thing.

547
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,720
Yep.
Yeah, so I'm out there running

548
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,120
by myself and I'm kind of pissed
off that I'm doing this.

549
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,440
And what I will do is I would
nose breathe for 5 minutes as

550
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,640
I'm jogging and it would.
I wouldn't run fast, but it

551
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:25,200
would.
Be.

552
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,760
After, after the first, I would
say 5 minutes of it, there's

553
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,600
this crazy rush of like fear,
you know that where you can't

554
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:38,080
get that satisfying that last
breath to make you feel like I

555
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,520
can breathe as you're running,
you're doing that.

556
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,520
It feels like you're about to
die.

557
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,400
But if you can continue to keep
like keep your mouth shut and

558
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,560
keep nose breeding, all of a
sudden you'll get this rush of

559
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,560
like something and instantly
you're like, whoa, I'm a good

560
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,480
father.
Like I'm a great husband, I'm a

561
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,680
good son.
Like big things happen.

562
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,640
So I would, I would run and I
would like do this nose breeding

563
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,000
thing.
And then once I did it for about

564
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,240
5 minutes I would I would
breathe for one minute just as

565
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,480
fast as and hard as I could.
And then at the end of that I

566
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,600
would scream everything out.
I would hold my breath, I would

567
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,800
Sprint as fast as I could and I
would be holding my breath as

568
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,800
while I'm sprinting and while
I'm sprinting, my vision starts

569
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,920
doing this like it just starts
shrinking down and I can see

570
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,440
less and less your vision.
Yes, like I'm, I'm holding my

571
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,560
breath.
I'm I'm my, my fingers are numb

572
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,880
like my, my head's tingling
like, and I'm running while

573
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,320
holding my breath and like all
of a sudden, like everything

574
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:37,840
starts coming and I'm scared to
death.

575
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,680
It feels like I'm about to die.
Finally, at the very end, before

576
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:45,000
I fall over, I take a big inhale
and I blurt out whatever the

577
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,920
hell is in my is in my mind or
in my heart or in whatever.

578
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,320
And I blurt out I found myself
out here and I lose a crime,

579
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,000
right?
And I thought, whoa, that was

580
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,680
neat.
So I do it again.

581
00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:00,120
I do it again, right?
And I blurt out I'm a good man.

582
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,520
Oh my gosh.
The last time I do it, I blurt

583
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,520
out they'll need a fucking
helicopter to find my body when

584
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,760
I'm done with it.
Whoa, maybe I'll back.

585
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,280
Maybe I won't tell the wife that
one.

586
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:17,360
Yeah, but crazy runner's high.
Crazy runner's highs.

587
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,240
Really.
OK yeah, because I don't, I

588
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,400
don't ever really get runners
high.

589
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,800
I, I, I hear about it every now
and then.

590
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,800
You know, Nikki and I probably
done since 2015 about 100, you

591
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:33,800
know, half, half marathons, you
know, trickle in, you know, 65 K

592
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,760
10K things like that.
But only a select few times did

593
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,880
I actually feel that right.
I didn't you know, some people

594
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,520
feel it every single time, but I
just.

595
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,600
And like she gets it all the
time.

596
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,240
I just, yeah, and I've I've
tried, I've tried.

597
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,360
I didn't realize that was a
science to the breathing thing.

598
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:52,320
I've tried running with just
through my nose.

599
00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:55,600
I don't I probably didn't do it
long enough to actually

600
00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:00,000
experience what you experience.
So as I get back bent into bed

601
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,920
of cardio shape, I'm going to
have to start instilling that

602
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,440
and see how it how it works with
me.

603
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,080
Because I was wondering, I was
wondering what the lung.

604
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:11,120
So when I first got into nose
breathing and I found out that I

605
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:13,760
looked up what culture was ran
with water in the mouth.

606
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:17,840
And the first thing that popped
up was the Apache Indians used

607
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,000
to run with water in their
mouths, you know, while they

608
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,440
would go out running and they
used to call themselves spirit

609
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,920
runners.
And I was like, whoa, like my

610
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,480
nickname's Apache Joe.
Like this feels very spiritual.

611
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,000
This is crazy, right?
So I'm telling my buddy this and

612
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,960
he goes, you know, the Spartans
used to run with water in their

613
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,480
mouths for 10 miles and spit it
out at the end.

614
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,600
I was like, whoa, that's crazy,
right?

615
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,480
Then the next day, the next day
I go, the fuck makes a Spartan

616
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,880
better than me, right?
I was like, maybe I could do

617
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,240
that.
Yeah, right here.

618
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,720
Crazy stuff, right?
So for the past two years at the

619
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,760
Lost Dutchman Marathon, I've run
the Lost Dutchman Marathon with

620
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,840
a mouthful of water and spit it
out the end so.

621
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,800
No shit.
That's awesome.

622
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,840
I don't know.
I don't know what the Guinness

623
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,240
Book of World Record is.
I have to give them 12 weeks

624
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:03,760
heads up to come out and watch
me.

625
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,480
I'm going to be doing it again
in February.

626
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,320
But yeah, I'll take a drink of
water, I'll put some tape on.

627
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,600
And the last time I was running,
I put tape on too.

628
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:14,880
Yeah.
So I'll put water in and I'll

629
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,720
put tape on and I'll put Apache
Joe on it just so because if you

630
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,160
run with just water in your
mouth and people don't know why

631
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,960
you can't talk to them.
And you, you look like a psycho,

632
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,720
right?
So if I have a piece of tape on,

633
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,200
you know, OK, here's the reason
this guy's not talking to me.

634
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,080
So.
But the, the last time I ran it,

635
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,000
I'm running and I hear these two
guys behind me during the race

636
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,360
going.
There's no way anyone could do a

637
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:38,920
whole marathon without drinking
water.

638
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,440
And I turn around, I've got this
tape on my mouth and I go,

639
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,080
they're like, oh, that's not a
Kachi Joe guy.

640
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,680
So you thought so you did the
whole marathon with it?

641
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,840
Yeah, 26 mile.
Fuck, dude.

642
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,560
Yeah, that's crazy.
I want to do a 50.

643
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,720
K yeah, but.
Yeah, yeah, 26 miles.

644
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,800
Wow.
I had heard that about the

645
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,640
Spartans.
I've never heard that about the

646
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:00,720
Indians.
That's.

647
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,120
Yeah, I never heard about
either, you know, learning,

648
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:06,760
learning.
Man, that's crazy.

649
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,640
Now you did Now.
I definitely wouldn't recommend

650
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,440
it on a fast run like I run.
I do master track meets.

651
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,440
I wouldn't be doing any half
miles with that.

652
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,360
But on the low slow runs, yeah.
I love the wild and the mouth.

653
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,400
Wow, that's yeah.
Wow.

654
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:25,920
Tape.
That's extreme, man.

655
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:27,600
Yeah, yeah, it's called.
Hostage.

656
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:33,680
So when you're so so when you're
done with the full marathon, the

657
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,800
first time you did it, you tape
it off the tape, you spit out

658
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,520
the water.
I mean, are you, are you

659
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,080
dehydrated?
No, no, I, I load up with water

660
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,000
beforehand for the week before.
I'll usually drink quite a bit

661
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,520
of water and salt beforehand.
But yeah, it's, I don't want to

662
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,440
say I would never recommend
people not to run with water,

663
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,840
but I do believe we might.
We might think we need, I don't

664
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,760
want to say we think we need
water more than we do.

665
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,720
But if you look around,
everyone's got a water bottle.

666
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,680
Everyone's walking around with
their giant Stanley full of

667
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,520
water.
And like, you know, as a kid, we

668
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,200
had the hose or we had water
fountains.

669
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,920
And now my kids see a water
fountain.

670
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,400
They're like, oh, gross.
I won't drink out of water

671
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,720
fountain.
And so you will if you're

672
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,520
thirsty enough.
Like if that's the only thing

673
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,760
you've got, yes you will.
Yep.

674
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,680
Yeah, I do.
I drink a lot.

675
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,480
I don't walk around with
Stanley, but I probably drink a

676
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,040
gallon of water today.
But I've always done that.

677
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,840
It's I mean, that's probably the
reason why I think I never had

678
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,760
hangovers because every time I
was drinking, yeah, the 12 to 18

679
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,480
beers in the three or four Sacha
Jacks, I would I would have one

680
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,160
of these filled up with water,
you know, during, during, you

681
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,440
know, watching the baseball
game.

682
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,640
So that was the biggest reason
that people I think have

683
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,160
hangovers is because they're
dehydrated.

684
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,480
And I just never was, you know?
Yeah, yeah, most people are

685
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,320
drinking water while they're
drinking alcohol.

686
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,280
Right, right.
I know I was weird like that.

687
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,240
And one, I have one other friend
that does that in my entire

688
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,320
life.
Two people, yeah, yeah.

689
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:54,920
I don't know if anyone doing
that either.

690
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,560
Yeah, that's, you know, Chris, I
always had.

691
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,240
Water the whole time he was in
the band, so I'm a witness to

692
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:02,760
that.
And then I have another friend

693
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,480
that does the same thing, but in
52 years I've only met two

694
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,200
people that do that.
Yeah, but he's right.

695
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,920
When we went to New York years
ago, it's it's because it's,

696
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,880
it's, I think it's part of the
Arizona climate, right.

697
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,360
Because when we were in New York
for I think 7 to 10 days, we'd

698
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,520
get back to the to the the
hotel.

699
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,680
I'm like, I'm drinking water
today or I hadn't, I hadn't

700
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,200
aside from like lunch because I
don't drink soda.

701
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,600
I had never been a big soda
drinker.

702
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,280
It's just tea and water for the
most part.

703
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,360
So, but it's, that's a weird
little caveat that you don't

704
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,720
realize it.
Like we, we would walk around

705
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,080
New York and Natural Museum, go
to all those things and, you

706
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,600
know, grab a bottle of water
when we're eating lunch.

707
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:41,960
But then aside from that, it's
like.

708
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:43,800
We didn't.
When did we drink water?

709
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,400
So I think it has a lot to do
with it.

710
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,960
Yeah, I think it has a lot to do
with Arizona.

711
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,280
For sure, you know.
Because I thought you're walking

712
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,240
around all day, Mike.
But it's hot, you know, And we

713
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,440
sweat especially.
Dry.

714
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,840
Dry as hell, yeah.
It's really dry.

715
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,840
It's really dry.
So we because we, we're, we're

716
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,800
all ADHD because we're squirrel
in moments here.

717
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,360
So we, we have your third kid,
you, you, you change your, your

718
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,880
food takes about six months to
clear through that.

719
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,000
You get off the head meds.
So when do you actually stop

720
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,080
drinking?
Is is, is is it a specific

721
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,320
moment?
Like most of us Alcoholics, we

722
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,640
have it.
OK, this is the thing that

723
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,960
turned me.
Or was it just like gradually

724
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,040
you walked away from it?
It was kind of nice.

725
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,520
It was, it was kind of gradually
less and less in my life.

726
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,160
I I would drink it.
It was to the point where it was

727
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,440
I would only drink on the
weekends but it wouldn't even be

728
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,040
a lot.
My wife was still drinking at

729
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,280
the time and when she would
drink she would drink a lot.

730
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,640
But it was we were at home, we
didn't drive anywhere.

731
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,480
None of us got belligerent
right?

732
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,720
But then when we got into this
health journey and both of us

733
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,200
started started working out and
eating right.

734
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,840
And even though we were drinking
less, my wifes like this,

735
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,720
there's no beneficial reason for
this to be in our life.

736
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,520
Like there's, there's no,
there's no reason.

737
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,240
We have it.
So she's like, I'm done with it.

738
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,680
I'm like, good for you, good for
you.

739
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,920
And then it was after like it
was like maybe 2 get togethers

740
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,040
at the house.
I would have like maybe two or

741
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,040
three beers.
I'm like, I'm not having enough

742
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,320
beers to where I'm enjoying
this.

743
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,400
Like I, in my mind, it's like,
let's have a bunch of I'm not

744
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,840
like, no, no, no, the kids are
here.

745
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,600
My wife's not drinking.
I can be, I can try and keep it

746
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,040
together.
And it was after like 2 get

747
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,440
togethers with friends.
I was like, why am I doing this?

748
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,600
Like this makes no sense, but it
was so nice to be.

749
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,239
It was so far removed from my
life at that point.

750
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,000
I could just walk away versus I
wasn't in the depths of that.

751
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,600
I wasn't rock bottom.
I wasn't, you know, drink, drink

752
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,400
driving, stuff like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

753
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,199
She, mine was.
Mine was a blow up and my wife

754
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:35,600
and I've been together 31 years
and it didn't start out alcohol.

755
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,560
It took me a while, but we just
had a we had a blow up and I

756
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,520
woke up the next morning and we
never argued.

757
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,000
We still don't ever really
argue.

758
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,560
And I kind of one hand how many
times you've argued in 31 years?

759
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,120
And she was always right.
Yeah, but we had, we had a blow

760
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,560
up and I just the next morning I
was like, fuck, man, something's

761
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,920
got to change.
So I googled a A and off I went,

762
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,440
you know, but it was, it was.
That's interesting.

763
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,480
It's cool that you just kind of
gradually, because Nikki stopped

764
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,720
drinking too as soon as I
stopped and we went through our

765
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:06,280
stuff and she stopped drinking
at home completely.

766
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,520
It makes.
It so much easier if both of you

767
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,120
do it.
Same with the food.

768
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,680
Same with the food, right?
Like if if you got your food and

769
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,280
she's got her like it's not
going to work.

770
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,480
Especially if I wake up in the
middle of the night and I'm

771
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,520
right in the kitchen, right?
Or if I'm drinking like it's not

772
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,760
good if it's in the house.
Right, No, agreed.

773
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,000
I have I have
hyperparathyroidism and so I we

774
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,880
watch the show on Netflix called
What the health.

775
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,000
Have you ever seen that?
Yeah, it's a good it's a good

776
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,680
documentary.
What the health like instead of

777
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,520
what the fuck replace fuck with
health.

778
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,360
Yeah, I'm sure somewhere still.
But there's a lady on it that

779
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,840
had hyperparathyroidism and she
went vegan and I'm like, well,

780
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,520
I'm going to miss for years.
It's dead meat, so why not try

781
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,560
it?
So Nikki being Nikki, she went

782
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,560
on the journey with me, but
about 3 months into she's like,

783
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,200
oh hell no, I'm not doing this.
But.

784
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,360
But to her credit, she still
helped me find things that were

785
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,160
vegan and, and because I wanted
to do it to see if it kept my

786
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:03,920
calcium levels at Bay, which it
did.

787
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,200
Ironically, I did it for about
18 months religiously.

788
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,520
And then I, I, we were, we were
training for her.

789
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,840
We're training her to do a full
marathon and, and we had a 10

790
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,680
mile run day.
And I just, I, you, I felt like

791
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,320
after, because you have to eat
so much protein, vegan protein.

792
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,200
And it's, it's so heavy and
it's, it's, you feel like shit.

793
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:26,920
You, you, you you you.
You're swollen because of it,

794
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,280
which doesn't make sense.
I've never seen a vegan that

795
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,040
doesn't look.
Right, they don't.

796
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,920
Realize that they look sick, but
yeah, they do.

797
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,880
Whenever I hear someone say
whenever I hear someone say that

798
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,080
they're going to do this vegan
thing, it usually starts off if

799
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,080
they do it for six months to 18
months, it works great.

800
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,280
Like it, it, it, it, it almost
like does a reset on the body.

801
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,880
And then if you go to healthy
eating, it works great.

802
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,520
But when you see, and I, I don't
mean to talk shit about, you

803
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,840
know, but when a lot of times
when you see vegans that are

804
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,280
5-10 years into it, they, they
don't, they don't have the

805
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,280
healthiest, they don't look
healthy.

806
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,760
And I'm with you, Joe.
I'm not sitting here talking

807
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,040
shit.
I told we joke before we got on

808
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,040
the podcast.
Of course I smoke.

809
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,040
I drink a little bit.
I do things that aren't good

810
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,320
too.
But I subscribe to Walt Whitman.

811
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,880
Everything in moderation,
including moderation to say to

812
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:28,360
yourself I cannot do something
to me, this is only for me, I'm

813
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,160
not I I hate when people make
blanket statements but Chris

814
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,600
just said it with his condition.
His diet is going to require him

815
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,600
to be different than me, to be
different than you.

816
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,360
There is no perfect diet for
everyone.

817
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:45,360
So when a vegan says this is the
way to live, you're wrong just

818
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,480
as much as me saying eating meat
is OK too, right?

819
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,920
It might not be for Chris, it
might not be for Joe, but it

820
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,400
might work for Mike, right?
I can't have dairy.

821
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,640
Dairy might be the best thing
for another body, right?

822
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,640
You bet.
So you're going to your doctor

823
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,960
say that we were never intended
to eat dairy?

824
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:07,000
That's not true either.
Every human is different.

825
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,960
Yeah, I so I on Monday, Tuesday
and Wednesday I work from the

826
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:18,040
office and on those days I will
drink black iced coffee and I've

827
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,440
got a little thing of salt at my
desk and I'll take a spoonful of

828
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,160
salt whenever I get like,
hungry.

829
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,320
And so those days I won't eat
until I get home and have

830
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,160
dinner.
Yes.

831
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,800
And I'll have dinner.
So when I have dinner, it's a

832
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,440
big dinner, right.
Whether it's hamburger or

833
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,440
whatever, but and it's probably
about two meals worth.

834
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,440
And so Monday, Tuesday,
Wednesday, I just do a 24 hour

835
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,000
fast, right?
And I feel that works out great

836
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,360
for me.
But I know fasting doesn't work

837
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:43,840
for everyone.
It doesn't work for a certain

838
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,880
females, right?
Like so if someone's asking me

839
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,400
diet stuff like well I know it
works for me really well, but I

840
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,960
I cannot recommend it for
everyone.

841
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,240
I can do it for not that long.
I like it for a little bit

842
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:59,600
shorter period of time.
I have to eat a little bit a lot

843
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,920
of times a day.
That's just how my body works,

844
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,800
right?
I don't overeat, you know?

845
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,320
I weigh 154 lbs.
I'm not overweight by any means,

846
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,240
but I do require like 5 meals a
day.

847
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:12,640
They just have to be small.
Yeah, you know, I.

848
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,040
Don't know what it's on the age
that I am fast when I on the

849
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,040
days that I fast.
At first I was AI don't want to

850
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,920
say a mean guy, but I had a
little more bite to me and I

851
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,440
would go into the office and
people would bring in Donuts or

852
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,160
I would smell.
They would come back from the

853
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,280
cafe and I would smell it.
Now.

854
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,760
Now when I see it or smell it, I
feel like a fucking animal.

855
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,840
I'm like, yeah, not for me.
I don't need that shit, right?

856
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,160
Like I've got this like sort of
mentality.

857
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,200
I like that.
I'm the same way.

858
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,160
I, when I got to the point to
where where I turned like like

859
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,040
once I had neck surgery and that
was done, then I could work out

860
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,840
without pain again.
We went, we turned, we found

861
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,440
Isagenix.
So we went down that path and it

862
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:57,920
went from October of that year
of 14 to February of, of 15 that

863
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,520
I went from like 211 lbs to 168
like high school weight, but I

864
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,480
was skinny.
I wasn't, I didn't have the

865
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,320
muscle mass.
So once I got back down that

866
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,920
base and it took years to build
the muscle and all that kind of

867
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,280
stuff, which is cool.
But as as we as we evolve from

868
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,160
from eating shit like everybody
does, you know, at some point in

869
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,080
time of life to starting to eat
healthy, you definitely say the

870
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:25,320
swing in in your mindset.
So to your point being in real

871
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,160
estate, Realtors eat like shit,
man.

872
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:33,480
And all the events are doughnuts
and pastries and yeah, right,

873
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,400
right, right.
So it's the, the, the sugar rush

874
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,080
and all kind of pleasure, right?
So I had that guy that would

875
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,640
walk into my office with a, with
a box of Krispy Kreme, a Krispy

876
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,240
Kreme doughnut box.
They'd open it up and haha,

877
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,840
carrots and celery and cucumbers
and shit.

878
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,080
Because I would just get the box
and bring it in the, in the

879
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,600
table in the back.
And like, you know, they open it

880
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:55,760
up.
Like what the fuck is this?

881
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,240
That's why I love this guy.
But it but it's, it's you got to

882
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:04,560
rewire your brain.
Like you said, if, if you went

883
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,720
to McDonald's right now, man,
you'd be off the hook, right?

884
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:10,000
And little man, my grandson,
every now and then I have him

885
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,600
for weird spots in the day.
He loves chicken Nuggets and

886
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,920
stuff.
And I could easily just grab 1/4

887
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,360
pounder with cheese.
But I don't, I don't do fast

888
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:18,200
food.
I don't do junk food.

889
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,400
We just, it's so far removed
from our lifestyle, number one,

890
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,200
because it's shitty food, but #2
it's so stupid expensive to eat

891
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,160
out now that it's just, it's not
even, it's not even a thing.

892
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,320
I mean, I make my lunch and take
it to work every when I go to

893
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:31,240
the office.
Just that's.

894
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,640
The one good thing about
fasting?

895
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,840
Change you have.
Be a lazy ass when it comes to

896
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,520
making your food because you
don't make that much.

897
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,080
Right, Yep, right.
Yeah, I've done the, I've done

898
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,320
the 24 hour fast.
I haven't done it like you're

899
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,280
doing it on the level of of, you
know, three days.

900
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,760
So I wanted to ask you about.
That that's all I'm doing is a

901
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,760
24 hour fast three days in a
row.

902
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,880
OK.
So on month, yeah, yeah, I

903
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,400
haven't done, I haven't done any
fast longer than 24.

904
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:57,800
I know it's beneficial.
OK.

905
00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,400
I haven't.
I haven't gone there yet, Yeah.

906
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:06,680
I did a when we when we first
did the Isagenix we did 50.

907
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,640
It ended up being 52 hours, but
with with with isogenish, when

908
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,160
you do, they call it a cleanse.
So you're.

909
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,440
What is they?
Have these little products I

910
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,480
don't know how to explain it
really it's shake it's shake

911
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,960
based like you we we we wake up
you have a shake for breakfast

912
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,200
and then you just follow this
kind of regiment but it's it's.

913
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,400
It's it's like a food plan.
Protein shake, yeah, yeah.

914
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,880
Protein shakes, things like
that, vegan, non vegan, whey

915
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,480
protein, stuff like that.
It's it's it's supplements, for

916
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,520
lack of better term.
Got you OK.

917
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,720
And it worked.
I mean it worked really good.

918
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:45,880
But my thing is and my problem
isn't as part of the addiction,

919
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,760
when I see something that works,
it's just tunnel vision.

920
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,160
That's it.
Like I'm not I'm not turning

921
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:52,400
around.
I'm not that's it.

922
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,680
When I saw that Isagenix had the
benefit it had, I kept doing it

923
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,880
probably for 2-3 years.
And then it just got to the

924
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,160
point to where it's like, OK,
don't do I willing to keep doing

925
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,040
this.
Like I need to start building up

926
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,480
and muscle mass and things like
that.

927
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,120
So I, I ended up, you know,
weaning off.

928
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,480
I still have protein shakes when
I get done working out just to

929
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,040
have them, you know, but not to
the level that I was.

930
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,280
But when Isagenix cleanses, they
call them cleanses.

931
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:19,800
They would have these little, I
don't want to promote them

932
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,440
because we're not getting
anything out of it, but let's

933
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,480
see if I can pull up their
website and, and show you.

934
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,880
It's, it was pretty cool though.
I mean, it, it, it legit, it had

935
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:30,960
these weird little things you
would take every couple hours.

936
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:35,480
There was a plan that you would
do with it and you just follow

937
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:36,560
it.
And it's like anything else.

938
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,880
If you follow the plan, if you
follow what what's laid out in

939
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,920
front of you, it works right And
but you have.

940
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,840
Your health.
A lot of people exactly.

941
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,480
And a lot of people wouldn't,
you know, it's it's a weight

942
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,440
loss thing.
So it's like a it's it's, it's

943
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,360
before Ozimpec became what it
is.

944
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,600
Ozimpec, however, you say that,
but yeah, this kind of stuff.

945
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,960
So you have you have your
shakes, you have performance

946
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,120
proteins, you have the different
things that balance your body.

947
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,840
You have their natural snacks
and things like that.

948
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,320
It's all this stuff, right?
So it promotes health.

949
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,080
It was a it was a local guy in
Arizona who did it and he kind

950
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,160
of came up with it and it
obviously he's.

951
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:15,960
Got the big building off the two
O 2.

952
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:17,920
Yes, Yep.
OK.

953
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:18,520
Yeah, Yeah.
That's.

954
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,320
Where he actually lives, Yeah,
he lives.

955
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,240
Or at least he did.
He lived on, you know, where

956
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:25,560
Bachelor High School is,
obviously.

957
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,280
Yeah, yeah.
So, so if you take, if you take

958
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:34,240
Val Vista past rigs towards Hunt
Highway, there's, there's one of

959
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:38,240
those county island houses.
He lived back there at some

960
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:41,440
point in time, giant outside
metal structure barn, which was

961
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,880
his kind of laboratory where he
just started touring around with

962
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:50,000
stuff.
And you know, it's, it's, it

963
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,720
promotes health, but it promotes
health in an, in the most

964
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:56,080
natural way you can is a,
because you know, we all know,

965
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,160
we've talked about it on the
show.

966
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,240
And I'm sure you have the same
type of thing with what you've

967
00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:01,440
heard about ozipic and shit.
It's a quick fix.

968
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,400
It's like you're going to lose
massive amounts of weight, but

969
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,040
it's like having that surgery,
you're going to lose massive

970
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,680
amounts of weight.
But then what happens then?

971
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,360
So back to what you were doing.
You're screwed.

972
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,560
I was just kind of wondering
this is.

973
00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:18,600
There was a documentary, I think
it was on, I think it was on

974
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,160
Netflix, and it was about The
Biggest Loser and, and about how

975
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:23,720
people.
Did too, yeah.

976
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:29,280
Yeah, that that dude that got
his stomach stapled or whatever

977
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,960
had the procedure and then had
the procedure of getting all the

978
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,720
skin removed and then went back
to £500.

979
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:38,240
It was heartbreaking.
It was like, man, you like now

980
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,200
not only is his stomach
stretched out even further, his

981
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,680
skin stretched out even further.
And he, the I, and I remember, I

982
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,360
remember in one of his
interviews, he goes, there's

983
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,680
diets that say you can't eat
breakfast.

984
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,440
What kind of life is that?
And I'm like, I, I don't eat

985
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,480
breakfast or lunch, but I love
my life, right?

986
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,280
And I look in the mirror and I
go, you're an animal.

987
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,640
I love the way you look, right?
And I see this guy and it's like

988
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,640
my heart breaks form like
that's, that's, that's a harvest

989
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,480
life.
But part of part of and I, I

990
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,200
agree because that was it was,
it was quite a shock watching

991
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,160
that and seeing he's because
he's bigger than he ever was on

992
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:11,360
the show.
Yeah, yeah.

993
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,000
And just sitting there, the way
he was sitting there, it's like

994
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,120
he's got to be miserable.
But I think a lot of it has it's

995
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:17,160
mind.
There's something wrong

996
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,720
mentally, something happened.
Not a lot of it, All of it.

997
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:23,840
Right, Yeah, OK, Yeah, we had,
we had a guy on was it Justin

998
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,200
Willoughby?
Willoughby £600 guy and, and and

999
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:29,560
he dropped when he was 19 years
old.

1000
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,560
He was £600.
Now he's he's 1199, 70.

1001
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,120
That's right, he lost. £600.
Oh, that's right.

1002
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:37,080
That's right.
Oh my.

1003
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:37,920
Yeah.
So.

1004
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,520
And he had a really good guy.
Yeah.

1005
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,680
Go ahead.
He had a doctor, Joe, that

1006
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,160
volunteered to do that skin
removal.

1007
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:48,520
Yeah.
And I'm not sure if he said it

1008
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:53,160
like this, but what I got out of
that episode was, and you know,

1009
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,760
we follow his journey on
Instagram and Facebook too.

1010
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:00,320
He is so careful to not do what
we just described of that

1011
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,120
documentary.
Like he's hyper aware of the

1012
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,880
gift that he was given of a
second chance at life, just like

1013
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,320
I am just like you are, just
like Chris is.

1014
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,880
And that's why we do this is to
let people know there's life on

1015
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,120
the other side of whatever was
killing you, right?

1016
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,080
So that's a great example is
Justin is the opposite.

1017
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,840
He embraced the gift that he was
given and the second chance at

1018
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,200
life where this guy just
basically ate his feelings back

1019
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:31,240
into the recliner.
Yeah, yeah, big time, big time.

1020
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,160
So here's here's one of the
things that that I'm not going

1021
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,400
to get on the isogenic soapbox,
but this is, this is what it is

1022
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,200
isoline performance protein.
So this is kind of what will you

1023
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:45,640
start with because it, it keeps
you full, it helps you, it helps

1024
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:50,480
you just get in the mindset of,
of healthier eating that kind of

1025
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,200
stuff.
So it's a 280 calorie shake.

1026
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,080
It gives you all the rundown of
what's there.

1027
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:59,680
It's 36 grams of high quality
protein under, under a natured

1028
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,880
way from grass fed cows,
superior amino acids.

1029
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,080
So it's, it's, it's, it's
totally it's, it's, it's, it's,

1030
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,840
it's helping shift your mindset
from what you think you're doing

1031
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,280
is right, but it's really not.
So then you kind of go this

1032
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,440
route.
Right away I can't have it

1033
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,400
though, so that's.
Where but they have but they

1034
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:20,720
have vegan.
That's why I'm bringing it up

1035
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:24,560
because I I I when I went vegan,
I I stopped the way ones and

1036
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:29,400
went to having the vegan shakes
because it obviously reasons

1037
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,680
because when I went, I just
stopped the whole the whole all

1038
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,040
the dairy stuff.
And eventually my vegan stopped

1039
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:37,440
because of Nikki and I is
running.

1040
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,080
And one of the weeks I I we had
a 12 mile run and I'm like, I

1041
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,920
can't, I can't do that again.
So I had chicken three times

1042
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,520
that week and it was like lights
out, man.

1043
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,040
I was like, holy shit, I'm
running on there.

1044
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,160
Yeah, isn't that funny when you
chicken Cherian?

1045
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,560
Yeah, when you feel fueled up
and healthy, like running's not

1046
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,560
so bad or it's not as bad.
Nope.

1047
00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:57,680
Nope.
And yeah.

1048
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,760
So then it was vegan everything
plus chicken.

1049
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,840
Yeah, it was chicken Cherian.
Well, I I think one of the

1050
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,760
biggest lies that we were ever
told was that red meat is what

1051
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,240
was killing us.
Yeah.

1052
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,120
That's all I eat now.
That's all I eat.

1053
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,480
My hamburger.
Look at the food pyramid now.

1054
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,120
It's upside down, right?
So meat's at the top and grain

1055
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,320
is at the bottom.
Yeah, so really, all you, all

1056
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,120
you eat is, is is dead cow.
Hamburger, yeah, I'll eat, I'll

1057
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,960
eat, I'll eat bacon a lot.
I'll eat eggs a lot.

1058
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:32,360
But like, so it would be a a
keto style diet.

1059
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:37,000
OK, so there are certain carbs.
Yeah, there are certain carbs

1060
00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:40,080
that I'll eat, but it's only on
the weekend and it's only

1061
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,680
homemade cookies or pancakes
that my kids make.

1062
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,920
And we use a special type of
flour that doesn't have gluten

1063
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,440
in it.
So yeah, it's kind of nice.

1064
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,040
OK, Yeah, no, Yeah.
You gotta eat the kids cookies,

1065
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,280
man.
No, Yeah.

1066
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,240
I love the fact that you run.
I love the fact that you run

1067
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:55,680
with your kids, man.
I love that.

1068
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,840
Yeah.
Yeah, so my my longest race was

1069
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,600
about a year ago.
It was a Javelin 100 and it's

1070
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,560
out of McDowell Mountain and
it's a it's 100 mile race.

1071
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:12,400
And from miles 60 to 80, I got
to pick up my wife and she got

1072
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,760
to run with me for those 20
miles, right.

1073
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,400
And so for those 20 miles, I was
a wreck.

1074
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,720
I was like falling over.
I was like, like, I couldn't

1075
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:22,160
take a leak without falling
over.

1076
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,640
I was, I remember I would stop
in the middle of my run and I

1077
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,120
put my arms up like this and my
wife's like, what are you doing?

1078
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:29,400
I'm like, I'm trying to get
comfortable.

1079
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:30,320
I don't know what the hell I'm
doing.

1080
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,080
Like I was, I was weird, right?
But then I dropped her off at

1081
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:37,400
mile 80 and from mile 80 to 100,
I got to pick up my 13 year old

1082
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,840
son at the time, Memphis.
And he ran the last 20 miles

1083
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,960
with me.
And just knowing that Memphis

1084
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:46,080
was there, knowing that my baby
son was watching me, I was, I

1085
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:47,720
think there was nothing out of.
Her, yeah.

1086
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,440
Like that was, yeah, I was.
I wasn't.

1087
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,800
I wasn't doing this.
Crap or anything, I was a

1088
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:52,920
monster.
It was great.

1089
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,760
That's awesome man.
That is very cool.

1090
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:58,640
Anything else you want to talk
about?

1091
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,200
We got about 10 minutes left.
You know what, recently I just

1092
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,880
got back into track meets by
about two months two years ago.

1093
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,520
And track meets, there's,
there's this group of runners

1094
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,120
called the Masters, and it's
just a bunch of old guys that

1095
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,240
didn't stop doing track meets
after high school.

1096
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,040
And I think that might be my new
favorite thing.

1097
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,720
I like running long.
I don't.

1098
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,480
I like what running long
distance does for me, but I

1099
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,840
don't say I would like it.
I like running short distance.

1100
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,040
I like sprinting.
That's fun.

1101
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,200
OK, so is this is this one of
your track meet pictures?

1102
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,560
Yes, that's at the, that's at
the one that I almost broke the

1103
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:38,040
there's an Arizona State record
for old guys for the half mile

1104
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,880
and I was less than half.
I was less than a second away

1105
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,360
from it.
Right on.

1106
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:45,520
I used to run the 800 in high
school.

1107
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,360
That was my race.
Yeah, same here.

1108
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,600
That's that's what I'm I'm on
Team USA.

1109
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,600
Actually I got to run at worlds
last year for Team USA.

1110
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:53,840
Oh sweet.
Nice.

1111
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,320
Yeah, right.
On Yeah, right on.

1112
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:56,240
That's your.
That's your daughter.

1113
00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:58,600
That's another.
Son, that's Memphis.

1114
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,880
He's got long hair.
He goes to a school that's very

1115
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,680
it's got a lot of people in a
certain religion.

1116
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,880
I won't say what it is, but I'm
in Gilbert, so we can probably

1117
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,440
connect those dots.
He gets made fun of for having

1118
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,280
long hair.
He gets made fun of for his dad

1119
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,880
not going to heaven, right.
He gets made fun of for his

1120
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,960
family not being the same.
But it's it's kind of nice when

1121
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,480
he's out running with me.
He's yeah, he, he, he, he

1122
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:23,520
doesn't.
He doesn't care about those

1123
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:24,560
things.
Or at least he doesn't talk

1124
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,480
about him.
Yeah, yeah.

1125
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:27,640
You know what?
My human.

1126
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:28,680
Yeah.
Go ahead, Mike.

1127
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:29,920
Sorry.
You know what my defense

1128
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,680
mechanism for that was, Joe?
Because I had long hair for a

1129
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,840
long time, too.
Yeah, I would just find

1130
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,640
something about you that I
didn't like and pick at that.

1131
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,120
So teaching.
That so OK that picture go back.

1132
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,280
Which one?
The, the one where it hit this

1133
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,160
one right there and I, I, I
don't want to talk about it too

1134
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,440
much because we're not really
supposed to, but the one before

1135
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,960
with him and I with our shirts
off, that was at the, that was

1136
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,360
at our first sweat lodge that I
got that one.

1137
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,320
And so I, yes.
And so Memphis was there.

1138
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,880
He's got long hair.
He was also there with another

1139
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,240
young boy that had long hair.
He was a native kid.

1140
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,080
And so that was that was one of
my proudest nights is when

1141
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,800
Memphis made it through this,
his first sweat lodge.

1142
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,680
So, so, so so we're going to
wrap the show up with that

1143
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,040
because I've sweat lodges have
always fascinated.

1144
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,200
So what what entails that?
I mean, obviously the sweat

1145
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,920
lodge, you go into a big thing
that's hot as hell and you just

1146
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,280
sit there and sweat.
I mean, is it?

1147
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,440
People ask like.
Details on that.

1148
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,800
Kind of yeah.
People ask is it like a sauna

1149
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,880
and I said yeah, kind of like a
5K is the same as 100 mile race,

1150
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,040
right?
You're both running, but it's,

1151
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,360
it's way different.
And I thought so the very first

1152
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,120
sweat lodge I went to was just
with, with me and a bunch of

1153
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,000
other men, right.
And when I went there, this guy

1154
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,720
goes, have you ever been to 1?
I said, no, but my name is

1155
00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:52,120
Apache Joe and I like to run
during the day and I'm blah,

1156
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:53,800
blah, blah, right?
I'm trying to be this thing.

1157
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,880
And he goes, you've never been
this hot in your entire life.

1158
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,880
And I go what?
And we got in there and the flap

1159
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:04,000
closed and I realized I've never
been this hot in my entire life

1160
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,120
and I'm about to die.
When we left one of the last

1161
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,200
sweat lodges, I was looking at
my knuckles to see if there were

1162
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,480
blisters.
Like I thought it was that I

1163
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,560
thought it was that hot.
When I was covering my face, I

1164
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,600
thought I had blisters on my
hands like it was, it was hot

1165
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,280
hot.
So it's but but something

1166
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:20,880
happened.
It's almost like 100 mile race,

1167
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,680
like when you put yourself
through something that difficult

1168
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,120
or running with water in your
mouth.

1169
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,000
When you put yourself through
something, something that

1170
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,120
difficult, you get a rush of
maybe it's just like, Oh my God,

1171
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,000
I didn't die and that's what I'm
so happy about.

1172
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,720
But it's there.
There's something to it.

1173
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,600
Yeah.
So, so like in in the midst of

1174
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,600
that, you know, kind of like,
you know how people will take

1175
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,160
mushrooms and they'll drop acid
and go.

1176
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,600
To the and stuff.
Like that is it that do you have

1177
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,680
a right?
Do you is is it kind of like AI

1178
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,200
don't want to say, OK, I don't
want to say religious, but

1179
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:54,880
spiritual like.
Absolutely.

1180
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:56,960
The very first.
Time total, spiritual.

1181
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,720
The the very first time when
that flap closed and I got

1182
00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:03,480
scared, one of the guys before
said hey if you get scared,

1183
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,760
don't, don't feel ashamed if you
have to get low.

1184
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,320
And I thought, I'm not, I'm
going to get low.

1185
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:09,720
I'm Apache Joe.
I'm super strong.

1186
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,320
We get in there and I realize
I'm a bitch, right?

1187
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,800
And I'm scared to death.
And I get down.

1188
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,800
I get down on the ground.
I'm laying on the mud on the

1189
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,400
ground and I'm, I'm like this
close to crying.

1190
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,760
And I hear a woman's voice say
what?

1191
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,720
The sweat of your brothers and
Mother Earth will keep you safe.

1192
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:28,760
Whoa.
And that's like, I always

1193
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,160
remember that.
And it was the sweat of the

1194
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,200
other men in that lodge that
kept the ground wet.

1195
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:38,280
And it was Mother Earth that
just left the, the air maybe 5°

1196
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,280
cooler down on the ground.
That made me feel safe.

1197
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,040
Like it was it.
It was.

1198
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:43,000
It was huge.
Yeah.

1199
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,760
That's fantastic and obviously
this is the family.

1200
00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:48,960
That's that's the group, that's
the gang.

1201
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,360
Yeah, yeah, that's the crazy
woman who had home births

1202
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:54,440
without epidermal.
That's right.

1203
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,560
That's my Caitlin.
She got me healthy.

1204
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,560
Yeah, she she stuck with me.
She saw potential.

1205
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,400
Thank God.
Yeah.

1206
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,280
And that's Memphis.
Yeah, right.

1207
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,480
Yeah.
And then we got Marlo, my

1208
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:11,200
daughter, and then Mac is my
youngest son.

1209
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,720
Cool.
Yeah, right on man.

1210
00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:16,080
I was trying to find a picture
of your of your mouth taped

1211
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,320
Apache Joe, but I couldn't.
Yeah, yeah, I.

1212
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,120
Thought that'd be a fun a fun
little thing to end with.

1213
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,240
Apache Joe taped mouth shut.
It's.

1214
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,360
The only.
Time it's been it's been well,

1215
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,080
that's OK, you know, but you are
telling a story in a sense, man,

1216
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,960
because you're you're people are
like, I mean, if OK, so because

1217
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,240
I've done the I've done the
Dutchman 3 or 4 times, not the

1218
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:41,440
full.
I've never done a full.

1219
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,160
I was going to do a full and
then all of a sudden COVID hit

1220
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,480
and then I was going to do a
full and then realized I stress

1221
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,480
fractured my, my right 2nd
metatarsal, my right foot.

1222
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,360
So it's just, you know, I'm just
not supposed to run a full

1223
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:51,640
marathon, which, you know,
whatever.

1224
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,840
But if I would have been running
in, in the Lost Dutchman and,

1225
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,760
and, and you, you passed me or I
passed you, I would totally be

1226
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,120
like, what the fuck?
Yeah.

1227
00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:04,160
Oh, I got second.
So in my age group I got second

1228
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,520
place.
Yeah, with the tape.

1229
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,800
With water in your mouth.
That's amazing.

1230
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,000
How old are you?
43.

1231
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:15,840
How old 43 OK, what's your
what's your what's your best

1232
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,160
marathon time?
So I've only ran it with water

1233
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:20,720
in my mouth.
I don't know what my regular all

1234
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,880
out marathon.
Oh yeah, but 33330?

1235
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,520
Wow, that's amazing.
What about 1/2?

1236
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,640
So I've only done 1/2 and I
think it was 130.

1237
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,520
I don't know what, but I didn't
do water in my mouth.

1238
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,920
That was that was the first race
that I did that was just so but

1239
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,880
my half, but my half mile at 43
is at a 2O3.

1240
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,360
So that's where my half mile is.
And I did a mile.

1241
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,160
I did a mile a couple months ago
at 4:49.

1242
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:49,080
So yeah.
OK, my, so my best mile at 53

1243
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,760
years old was 555.
And I did them back-to-back

1244
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,000
there, there.
Thank you, thank you.

1245
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,040
Well, the reason why is my son's
a Marine.

1246
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,520
And so he, he had messaged me
one day.

1247
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,120
He's like dad, I did, I did a
mile and 6 minutes.

1248
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:04,280
I'm like, OK, I'm going to come
get you.

1249
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,960
He's like, OK, old man, it took
me, it took about 18 months.

1250
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,120
It took me 18 months because I
started my best was like like

1251
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,120
838.
So it worked its way down.

1252
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,640
And they were, they were
benched, they were indoors.

1253
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,280
There were benchmarks with
Orange Theory Fitness and they

1254
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,080
were I used to do back-to-back
workouts.

1255
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:24,760
So the first, the first
benchmark day was at the Gilbert

1256
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,160
East.
And I did it 5 minutes, 55

1257
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,360
seconds and then that, that
class in and I drove to the

1258
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,040
Queen Creek 1 and did it again.
And I actually set the treadmill

1259
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,080
this time faster and I still hit
the same time.

1260
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,520
I was pissed.
I'm like, what the Hell's up

1261
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,080
with that?
But 53 years old doing, yeah,

1262
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,640
doing, you know, and I was so
happy with it, which is cool,

1263
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,080
you know, so.
Yeah, I'm.

1264
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,480
Worried my son's getting faster.
And faster every time.

1265
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,960
There's this hill.
There's this hill on this Mesa

1266
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,520
out of pass.
Every time we go there, I race

1267
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,240
him and every time I put him in
his place.

1268
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,760
But last Saturday, it took a lot
longer for me to put him in his

1269
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:02,480
place.
I thought, geez, this might not

1270
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,280
be happening this way for too
much longer.

1271
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:06,800
That's Memphis.
That's Memphis, right?

1272
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,000
Yeah, he's 14 now.
Yeah, right on.

1273
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:10,880
Right on.
Memphis is going to catch you,

1274
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,040
man.
But that's the thing.

1275
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:15,440
See, once he catches and passes
you, then your motivation is to

1276
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,040
be is to turn that shit around,
catch him, and pass.

1277
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:19,360
I can chase his ass, that's
right.

1278
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,560
Yeah, because my son was like,
there's no way to.

1279
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,440
And you can he back up there?
There's the boot camp picture up

1280
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,960
there.
But he's like, OK, old man.

1281
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,840
And then I kept texting him when
I was creeping, creeping back,

1282
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,600
creeping back.
He's like, he's been supportive.

1283
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,080
Yeah, you know, let's go.
Yeah.

1284
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,800
When I, when I, when I, when I
screenshot the, I had somebody

1285
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,440
at the at the Gilbert E behind
me and they, they had the video

1286
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,120
going.
So when I, when I hit the mile,

1287
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,240
it showed it right there.
And so I sit up to him and he's

1288
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:51,080
like, damn Dad.
That's awesome.

1289
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,160
Winning.
Yeah, well, that's Apache.

1290
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,280
That's Apache Joe.
So for the use and error, for

1291
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,520
those of you in Arizona, if
you're if you're a runner and

1292
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,800
you see a guy running with tape
on his mouth that says Apache

1293
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,040
Joe, don't, don't ask him a
question.

1294
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,320
He's busy.
He's got one in his mouth and

1295
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,760
he's running through his nose,
which can't talk, which is quite

1296
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,840
impressive.
You're great.

1297
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:13,400
Great humor to talk to you, man,
Great laugh.

1298
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:14,920
Resume.
I I followed you for a while on

1299
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,080
Facebook, so I'm so happy you
decided to come on and join us

1300
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:18,360
here.
Yeah, thanks for inviting me.

1301
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:19,520
This is great, guys.
This is awesome.

1302
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,120
Yeah, yeah.
And you're welcome to come back

1303
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,040
anytime you want to because
that's who we are.

1304
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,080
We love having a conversation
with cool people like you.

1305
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,560
We always wrap up like this.
So if you're feeling depressed,

1306
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:33,760
suicidal, you know, just in the
wrong mindset, you know, go out

1307
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,200
for a run, go workout, go scream
in a pillow, go journal, go

1308
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,000
write, call somebody to talk to
you to help change your mind

1309
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,320
and, and the minds that you have
at that time.

1310
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:45,120
If if you can't text 988,
somebody's there standing by

1311
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:46,360
waiting to talk you off the
Cliff.

1312
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,920
Tomorrow is a better day with
you in it because somebody does

1313
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:50,120
love you, whether you believe it
or not.

1314
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:52,240
And with you not being here,
you're going to leave a hole in

1315
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,600
somebody else's heart For the
Chris and Mike show.

1316
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:55,360
I'm Chris.
He's Mike.

1317
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:56,240
That's Apache.
Joe.

1318
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,000
Until next episode.
We'll see you.

1319
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,880
Thanks again, Joe.
Thank you, Joe.

1320
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:03,960
Love it, brother.
You can stop it.

1321
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,960
You stop it, Mike, so we don't
double stop this time.

1322
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,760
On.
Your journey, the place where

1323
01:01:28,590 --> 01:01:40,390
you will go behind your eyes.
Take a moment.

1324
01:01:40,470 --> 01:01:41,790
Look.
Until.

1325
01:01:42,070 --> 01:01:48,870
You see it, fight the battle and
tear the.

1326
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:20,880
Come down here, we haven't found
solely in the exam from

1327
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,400
fighting.
Wait for the day.

1328
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:29,400
When it's closer out there and.
Put in the wind, you ain't no

1329
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,120
creature.
We're playing fire.

1330
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,920
You should, you put it on the
almighty day.

1331
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:42,040
You got a dream.
Who in your life to keep up

1332
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:48,640
solely every day?
Take your trip behind your eyes.

1333
01:03:50,120 --> 01:04:00,160
Feel the soul evolution now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1334
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,800
yeah, yeah.
Take a moment.

1335
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:09,600
Let's see you see him fight the
battle with you more clear.

1336
01:04:35,410 --> 01:04:40,050
You gotta, you gotta.
You gotta, you gotta, you gotta.