In this conversation, Chris and Mike delve into the lyrics of their songs, particularly 'Window of Hell,' discussing the punk influences and the dynamics of the Tempe music scene. They reflect on their past collaborations, personal struggles, and the weight of fame, emphasizing the importance of friendship and forgiveness in their journey.

The discussion also touches on their musical inspirations and the significance of creativity in their lives. In this engaging conversation, Chris and Mike delve into the intricacies of songwriting, sharing personal anecdotes and insights about their creative process.

They explore the meanings behind lyrics, discuss musical influences, and collaborate on refining their ideas, all while emphasizing the joy and challenges of creating music together. In this episode, Chris and Mike delve into the intricacies of songwriting, exploring the creative process, collaborative efforts, and the evolution of their music.

They discuss lyrical themes, personal inspirations, and the importance of time in music creation. The conversation highlights the joy of making music together and reflects on the therapeutic nature of songwriting.