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Hey, this is the inaugural.
We're live.

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Not really, but here I'm Chris
Dunham.

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Who are you?
I'm Mike Michaels.

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He's Mike Michaels and this is
the Chris and Mike Show till

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they come up with something
better.

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And we may never come up with
anything better.

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Well, you never know.
So what do you have?

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What are your thoughts?
Because we were going to do

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Cosmic Cafe and that's, that's
everybody and their mother has

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Cosmic Cafe, you know?
Yeah, When I went and looked it

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up, there was something that's
that, that's.

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There was a ton of them, yeah.
I mean, the concept of it's cool

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because cosmic means you have
nothing that you're really bound

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to as far as topics concerned,
which is what we like.

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We want to be able to talk about
whatever the hell we want to

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talk about every time we get
together to do this thing.

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So the the more generalized our
name is, I think the more

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freedom we'll have as
podcasters.

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I agree.
So you know we.

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Because down the road I would
we'd like to have guests.

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Oh, absolutely.
I already have people in mind.

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We could have guests from when I
did my radio show.

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I still have been in contact
with a lot of those people over

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the years.
Plus you know you and I have

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mutual friends on the on the
World Wide Web that we could

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have chime in you know and.
And we do a guest.

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But I don't think the, I don't
think the name is going to, I

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don't think the name is going to
limit us to what kind of podcast

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we can do or who we can have on
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I think it's just the sheer
volume of people that are

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watching it and those guests
wanting to be on here for that

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reason, right?
But again, if we call ourselves,

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you know the USD prime farm
news, we're limited to farming

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cock.
We're not farmers.

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I mean, granted you live in
middle America with lots of farm

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land surrounding you and I live
on the West Coast as you know,

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which is, you know, dry barren
desert for the most part.

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So we, you know, we got to kind
of have something like, you

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know, they call ourselves Alter
Bridge.

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But there's a band that's called
Alter Bridge which is, you know,

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an epic band with a fantastic
vocalist.

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I've seen him twice live, met
them both times.

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What a bunch of nice guys.
Mark, you know Mark Tremonti,

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not only does he.
Yeah, not only does he play

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guitar in Alter Bridge, but also
he's one of the Co founders of

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that band Creed.
He also does an entire Sinatra

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album because he has a Down
syndrome daughter.

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So he just released this album
of nothing but Sinatra covers.

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Motherfucker sounds just like
Frank, man.

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It's insane.
So you take that, You take the

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fact that he's this amazing
guitar player, right?

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Like I took Nikki to their their
concert, which was the last Hero

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show, which ended up being what
they filmed live in in Wembley

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with the paradox.
Got that wrong.

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The Paris Something Orchestra.
Like a 2 1/2 hour show and like

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this is fucking amazing.
Not realizing that it was one of

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the first shows building up to
that epic recording and live DVD

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monstrous thing overseas.
She was blown away at him live.

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Granted, we were this close to
him, but just meeting them like

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genuinely cooled down The earth.
Human beings.

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There was no arrogance or
narcissism about them, they were

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just really cool.
So anyway, what I'm going with

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here.
He also wrote a book, a

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psychological thriller based on
one of the albums he did from

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his solo.
Shit, dudes like like just

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fucking well-rounded, creative,
solid human being.

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Which, you know is awesome
because the Sinatra album, all

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the proceeds go to Down syndrome
research and study and help with

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that.
Like he's not keeping any of it.

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It's pretty legit.
I haven't listened to that one

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yet, but I thought that was
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He did that and I didn't know
that's why he did it.

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So that makes it even cool.
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Yeah.
Yeah.

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No, he's.
I mean, I don't.

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I don't know him, like I know
you, but you know the short time

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that that the last hero tour,
you actually could still meet,

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greet people, shake their hands,
talk to them.

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I have pictures like with them
next to me, right.

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This last time they came to
town, it was like, oh, they're

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on the stage, you can ask 5
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That was that was that was cool.
But the sound check was fun,

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because it's always cool to see
sound checks.

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But it wasn't the same intimate
experience we got previously.

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And this time I took my buddy
Jay Erickson.

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I started with my buddy Scott,
who's no longer buddy because he

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just turned into a total fucking
asshole that day.

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So I took his ass home, fucking
last thing and suddenly use your

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turn.
So I'm like, fuck you, dude, I

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haven't talked to him since.
Dude's a fucking prick.

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Like Like, he run.
The moment he run the soundcheck

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for me.
I was so pissed.

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So then I drop his ass off and I
post something to my buddy Jay,

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who was a lender.
He's like, holy shit, you like

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Alter Bridge?
I'm like, yeah, dude, come on.

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I had a whole good news Arizona
episode where every time I had a

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chance, I had a little boom and
I played 13 seconds of their

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song.
So Jay came.

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We were front row.
He's like fucking 6/4.

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So there was this, like nobody
was fucking with us.

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We were standing right here the
whole time looking at miles.

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Just phenomenal.
This show was so great that the

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crowd, probably 80% of the
night, was singing the songs for

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him.
It's, I mean, they played on the

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marquee, OK, you know the
marquee is in Phoenix, right,

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Tempe?
That's awesome.

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It's small.
It's like 2400 people, man.

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These guys sold out Wembley
three nights in a row and

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they're fucking.
They're somebody's walking to my

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door right now.
They didn't knock though, so I'm

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going to be ambushed and killed
on this podcast.

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Oh, they just left.
OK, no problem.

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Who's the mailman?
It's the mailman.

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The United States Postal worker
was here today.

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I don't know what I got, 'cause
I'm on, I'm on this.

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It'd be weird to go to the door
and get my package and come

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back, right?
Open it live on a podcast, look

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what I got.
And then it'd be really bad if

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it's some kind of, you know,
marriage dope thing I got.

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You know, I think he wouldn't
talk to me for like a month.

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Like, what the fuck?
So, so let's go back to what

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we're actually here for, Mike.
And that was figuring out what

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to call ourselves as, as opposed
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Farm Bureau, which wouldn't
work.

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We can't call ourselves after a
band.

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No, I don't know anything about
farming.

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We can call it.
I don't.

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I don't.
I know a little bit, but not a

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lot.
You know, I do live on an acre.

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And we, we did plant corn that
subsequently died this past

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summer.
We planted tomatoes, which were

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just fucking ate shit.
So many tomatoes.

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It was insane Potatoes.
We grow potatoes like like

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legitimate, like you know, we
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potato.
Like when the potato you know

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starts the eye, that's when you
plant it.

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And then all you do for
potatoes, which is a trip man.

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You could do this in your
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You just add dirt, you water and
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You just keep adding dirt
because the the higher the dirt

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pile is then the the more they
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So that was fucking bad ass
having a potato out of the

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garden that smelled like dirt
and tasted fantastic.

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Same with the tomatoes.
We had Peppers but they didn't

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really work very well.
We got 4 chickens now because

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Nikki went and got 2 chickens
this past weekend, so now we

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have 4 again, you know, waiting
to see how many she kills.

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Don't.
Tell us, are they laying eggs

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for?
She doesn't kill them on

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purpose.
They just have.

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They are.
Two of them are.

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Two of them are, Yeah.
The the ones that we lost, one

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just kind of like fell over and
died.

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We don't know how we went in
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And I'm sorry she went in there
because I don't mess with them.

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It was just dead.
It was dead.

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And the other one, they had a
egg stuck, which you didn't

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realize it had an egg stuck.
And then when it passed over the

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Rainbow Bridge to the chicken
heaven, there's a black egg

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sitting, you know, where it
comes out of like, oh, that's

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why.
That's.

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Why So the egg get the egg
getting stuck?

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I mean, the egg getting stuck
killed the chicken.

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It's a whole.
It's a whole new definition of

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Constipation, like straight up.
Dude that's fucking crazy.

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Like I've never had that problem
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I never have eggs stuck in me
and I I you know my my bowels

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fluid, right all the time
because I eat stupid, healthy

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and boring.
But chickens eat all kinds of

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shit if you think about it and
yeah it it it backed up and just

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you know that was it fell over
in the water and it kept trying

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to get up with this head.
It wasn't it wasn't working.

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The body wouldn't following.
We didn't know what to fucking

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do.
We're not, you know, we're not

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chicken experts.
You know, my neighbor's like,

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dude, call that like fucking
call the vet for chicken.

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Seriously.
No, no, it's you lay the egg or

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you cut the head off and you eat
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Call the vet, man.
So yeah, now she's got some more

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and.
I'm going to have to ask my

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friend when I see him tomorrow
If they've ever had any chickens

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die of getting the egg stuck.
I got to know blockage,

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blockage, blockage.
I forget what it's called, but

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you know, blockage, something
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We could call it the show
Blockage, you know, You know,

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blockage with Chris and Mike and
people like, what the fuck is

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this about?
So I suppose we probably should

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tell America why.
We probably should tell America

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why they should listen to us.
Why should they listen to us?

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Because we're because we're 2
white guys.

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I don't know why would why would
because OK, why do you listen to

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what you listen to That's that's
that's the way to start.

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That is, what do you what's the
the determination of what you

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listen to podcast wise?
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those people are like minded
individuals.

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OK, so it doesn't matter as far
as name recognition.

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No, not necessarily even what
they do.

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Or is it worse?
I don't care.

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So it's yeah, so it's OK.
So it's more of just like the

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relevance of what they're
talking about, whether the

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topics may be and you know that
kind of concept.

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Yeah, and since we're not doing
a tutorial podcast, ours is

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going to be people that are
probably going to be like,

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minded.
So I guess what I'm saying is.

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We were both musicians at one
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We played in bands.
We subsequently became addicts.

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We overcame addiction, right,
And found life on the other side

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and became musicians again and
are here to live, to tell our

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story, so to speak, Life on the
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So I like that.
Church.

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Google it and there's probably
50 of them.

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Life on the Other Side.
Can I Google while I'm on

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podcast?
Let's see what happens here.

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Life on the Other Side podcast.
Let's see what it does.

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OK, it's Life on the other side.
Christian John Bradley.

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Oh yeah, It's a Christianity
podcast, so that wouldn't work.

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I kind of figured maybe there
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Christian element to that
because, you know, it's life on

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the other side, you know?
But I think that's the right

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kind of direction.
You know, we had something we

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were talking about before we
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What was that?
I knew you were going to ask me

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that, right?
It was something about music and

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mayhem.
Oh, hold on.

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I put it.
I put it in my notes, OK.

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This is oh, good for you, Mike.
See this is.

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Super, super not professional
right now, ladies and gentlemen.

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I apologize that could that
could be a name.

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The Super, not professional
show.

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I am the guitar player it'll be.
It'll become painfully obvious

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why I started this podcast and
the guy who's typing on the

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computer right now, he's
definitely a more fluid speaker

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than I am, so I shall do the
best I can.

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There is no one that owns the
name of the Super Not

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Professional podcast.
I don't know why I put the word

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store in them. the Super not
professional.

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OK, so I have I there's a
Facebook group called We are Not

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Professionals Podcast but
nothing nothing is deemed the

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Super not professional podcast
as of yet so I think that should

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be a working time.
Super, not professional.

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OK, hold on.
Here's Here's what I had and I

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was wrong before we started the
podcast.

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That's why I put things in my
notes, because I'm not going to

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make a.
Mystery about it.

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I might like to partake in the
finer things in life, and

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occasionally I forget things, so
I put them in my notes.

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So it was music, myth and
mayhem.

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Notes, notes, music, myth and
mayhem.

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The three Ms. oh look.
Oh, you did the notes in your

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phone, right?
On the Apple, Yeah.

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Look, look at me, man.
It is music, myth and mayhem.

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Music, myth and mayhem.
Yeah, so, like, you're going to

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learn a lot about music.
You're going to hear some

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bullshit stories.
Because sometimes we fabricate

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the truth because it's fun and
there's mayhem because we don't.

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But there's always.
Set rules, right?

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But there's always an element of
truth in the storytelling.

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Oh, 100%.
Always something that is

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accurate.
Like my well, we're like the

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book.
You know what?

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I want the book right.
Yeah, I never got a copy.

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There's an element of truth in
the book, yeah.

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I never got a copy of that, by
the way.

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There's an element of truth.
I'll get you one.

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You could go on Amazon and buy
it, but I'll send you it so.

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But there's not more truth.
Because when I used to work,

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when I used to work with Chuck,
one of the conversations we had

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one year was that when he dies
he doesn't want to be buried in

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a cemetery, which you know, I
think it's an Arizona boarded

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bred cowboy.
When you think cowboy, you think

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Chuck inside.
So that being said, we had this

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little conversation that once he
dies, if I'm aware of it, I'm

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going to go steal his body and
make sure he's buried on an open

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range.
That's basically the premise of

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the book.
So it's based on a true story

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because it was based on a
conversation that took place

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while doing cowboy shit, but the
whole story itself is

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fabricated.
And I I was by no means trying

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to imply that we would lie to
somebody on purpose.

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We just sometimes can't remember
exactly what happened in exactly

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what.
Right.

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Well, yeah.
Well, yeah, right.

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It's like, I got a buddy that
I've known since high school and

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and when he starts slinging
tales about high school, I just

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kind of sit that quietly and
listen because I'm like, OK, I

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don't remember doing that, but
OK, I'll agree to it, you know?

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See it?
And I think I was looking at it

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more from I was looking at it
more from the opposite.

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Hopefully you remembered more
than I did, because I don't

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remember a lot of any of that.
I was only sober for one gig and

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I remember because I had the
flu.

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Oh like Ozzy, I just came back
from the doctor.

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The doctor said I had the fleet
and I said fuck you, I'm

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playing.
Anyway, that was in his no more,

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no more, No More tours tour the
original 1 way back in the day.

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Like 93.
I think that shit was that I was

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around about the time that you
and I connected and and began

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our our adventures and music.
Well, I remember that gig like

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it was yesterday because we're
playing at the Big Fish Pub and

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I was so sick I had to go behind
my Marshall a couple times and,

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you know, use a bucket back
there.

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So that would have been the only
gig that I ever played sober.

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I think we opened up for
Sevendust that night if I

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remember right.
I did not remember that we

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opened up for so many fucking
like legit bands that weren't

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legit at the time on a on a
grand scale, right?

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Because of the grunge took over
and and and the music industry

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was just so one sided with
grunge that nothing else was was

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relevant.
At the time, you know.

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Yeah, a lot of those bands that
we opened up for were playing

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arenas two years before that,
and then they ended up

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headlining the Mason jar with
us.

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Yeah, exactly.
I love playing the Mason jar,

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man, That that place, it's now a
gay bar.

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But back then, that place just
had so much fucking history,

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man.
Like the remember the little

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pictures on the walls, the
little frames of the bands.

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Oh yeah, so many bands went
through that place when they

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were nothing, when they were no
one, you know, and.

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I I actually still have A and I
guarantee you at some point in

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time.
I actually still have a signed

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letter from Franco saying that
we could use his name and the

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name of the Mason jar on any of
our band correspondence.

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Any, any way that he could help
us.

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He actually signed a letter and
gave it to us.

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Yeah, it was awesome.
They were good people, man.

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I love, I love playing there.
I love swinging from the light

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Truss and giving away pictures
of beer.

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And you know just when when
Maverick would come and say one

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more song and we'd bust out
Intervention Divine, which was

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like 11 minutes, it's like, OK
dude, one more song.

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Yeah.
Well, we got in trouble for

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that, Yeah.
I remember the length.

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I need a 3 minute song.
Yeah, well, Jason came up to me

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after we did that the first
time, and he's like, don't ever

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do that again.
Jason loved this, though.

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We did that band that could play
with anybody.

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Like there was nobody, there was
nobody we could play with.

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I mean, the fact that Nemesis
open for sacred, right?

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I mean, fucking kidding me.
We weren't even this same

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fucking planet was sacred,
right?

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No, but we no.
But we played with him a lot of

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times because he he did.
He loved us.

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Yeah, yeah.
You know he passed away a couple

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years ago, right?
Enough's Enough was another band

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we played with.
Did you know Jason passed away?

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Oh, I did not know that.
That sucks.

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Yeah, 20 or not?
Yeah, twenty or two.

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I believe he passed away in
2020.

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That sucks.
That really sucks.

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He's a good guy.
Speaking of COVID, the Skylar

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just tested positive for COVID.
I said Congratulations.

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And for those of you who don't
know, Skylar's my eldest child.

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She's my daughter of what is
she, 2727?

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Yeah.
So it's yeah, she texted me a

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picture because the little man
had his tonsils up.

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He's my grandson.
And she just texted me a picture

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that that of the results.
So that's that.

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Congratulations.
I don't know what you want from

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me because you know, it's, you
know, welcome.

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It's not COVID, man.
It's the flu, right?

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All that bullshit.
It's it's it's you know.

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There's little man.
I don't know if you can see

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that, but there's he busted out.
He found this guitar, this play

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guitar.
Shit you.

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Not Mike.
I showed him how to put it over

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his head and he put his hands
and where they were supposed to

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be and started jamming.
He's even got the rock star

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stance, man.
I know, I know, I know I got.

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And when we get proficient with
this shit, we can pull up

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pictures and stuff and boom,
there's a picture you know of,

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you know, whoever we talk about.
Oh, you know, so yeah.

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Yeah, just for the record, this
is the AS.

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As he stated earlier, this is
the inaugural podcast, so things

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will definitely get smoother and
easier.

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Number one, remember that Sesame
Street count Dude #1?

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We were just discussing him at
work the other day.

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That dude was amazing.
Really.

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What was his name count?
What?

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He was just a count.
It was just a count.

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Yeah, 'cause that was his sole
purpose on Sesame Street was to

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teach us to count counting 123
Little man's not into Sesame

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Street.
I don't know why.

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None of the with it because I
had enough of Sesame Street

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with.
None of these kids today are

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into Sesame Street anymore.
They got their own shit.

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They watch.
Yeah, my little man watches

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Peppa Pig Bluey.
He loves The Nightmare Before

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Christmas.
Yesterday I actually took him

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because I had him Monday,
Tuesday, because of tonsillitis.

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I took him to see the Paw Patrol
movie.

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Let me tell you the racket that
they have with children's

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movies.
Now, Mike, this thing started at

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12:15.
This thing started at 12:15.

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Little Man and I are the only
two people that walked into the

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Harkins Theater.
OK, that's it.

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Loved him to death because I
asked him if he wanted snacks.

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He said no, he just wanted to go
to the theater.

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Well, I convinced him we had to
get a little small bag of

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popcorn.
He picked up gummy bears and I I

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got some water because I don't
drink the shit.

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So we go to the movie theater.
There's nobody.

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It's just us.
So I always like to sit in the

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very front row before the lower
level, right, so you can use the

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the rails as foot rest.
You know what I'm talking about.

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Yes, we're there for like 2
minutes.

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He's like calls me.
He's like he calls me pop pop.

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He's like pop pop.
I don't go up.

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So we left seats, went all the
way to the top.

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I let him wait.
Where do you want to go?

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All the way up, all the way to
the top, dead center to top row.

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The preview start at 12:15.
The fucking previews go and

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12/12/35 with a 4 minute cap.
Or of Dora the Explorer doing

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some kind of nonsense bullshit
that did nothing but piss us off

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because little man has a
patience of a four year old.

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Why that's just going to be 4.
And he kept looking at me saying

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paw patrol.
I'm like, I know dude, I don't

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know what's going on.
So finally the movie starts,

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right?
So then up in the front row, up

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in the top row, and then right
when the movie starts, this

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other mother and her child come
in, they sit like 5 rows down in

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front of us.
So there's four of us total in

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theater.
Well, little man's going back

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and forth along the row, and I
keep telling him as he gets

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closer to the steps, to stay up
in the row because I don't need

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him tumbling down.
And, you know, so he does a

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pretty good job staying up.
It's, you know, the whole movie

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itself went from 12:40 to 1:30.
Maybe, like, it wasn't long, so

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you needed all the previews and
shit.

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But it was, to me, it was
excessive.

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So then we're done.
He had fun.

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He liked it.
You know, he was standing up a

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lot of time, you know, cheering
and clapping and shitting.

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This credits start to roll, so
we go down the stairs to the

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bottom and and what I didn't
know about him because I've

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never took him to a movie
before, is he likes to stay on

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the bottom part and dance while
the music's rolling in the

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credits.
Most people have seen 3 1/2 year

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olds dance, so it's not as bad
as Elaine on Seinfeld dancing.

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But he has this weird little
circle kind of hop around step

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he does and he puts himself on
the ground and kind of flips his

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legs up like he's doing some
break dancing.

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Spin, Right.
So then I'm thinking that that

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once he's done with dancing,
we're cool.

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So I'm like, let's go.
Well then he's like, I don't

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want to go.
I'm like, dude, he's like paw

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patrol.
I'm like, dude, paw patrol's

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over.
This is just the credits, man.

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So he throws a little tantrum to
where when he throws A tantrum

450
00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:46,640
it's kind of like downward dog
and yoga and puts his face in

451
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,200
his in his hands and and lays in
the crown and I'm so I'm just,

452
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,120
you know, with age you have
patience.

453
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:54,880
So I'm like, really, really,
dude.

454
00:24:55,160 --> 00:25:00,520
Like, so I I go and sit on the
last, the first step going up to

455
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:01,920
the top.
So he sees me over there and

456
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,480
comes and sits next to me and
we're just watching credits

457
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,680
scroll.
I mind you, he can't read all he

458
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,800
recognizes as the letter A and
the letter O because it's in his

459
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,000
name.
Anthony every now and then.

460
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,360
Oh, there's an A Papa.
Yeah, there's an A.

461
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,760
So finally all the credits leave
and get done and we leave and

462
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,880
you know, that was our paw
patrol adventure.

463
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:26,160
You know, it was interesting.
He had fun.

464
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,240
It was nice that it was only us
in the movie theater.

465
00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:32,680
You know, he didn't really grasp
the concept of that aside from

466
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,120
wanting to be on the very top
row so he could see the whole

467
00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:40,120
screen, you know, the whole
giant movie screen to a might as

468
00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:42,000
well call him four before in
December.

469
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,040
Well, but that was fun.
So he enjoyed that that

470
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,040
Apologize for yawning.
I just yawned.

471
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,880
I don't know if I'm boring
myself, but I'm just sore

472
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,240
because I worked out it's hell.
Weak head.

473
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,920
Orange Tree Fitness.
It was brutal.

474
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,840
Workouts last two days and since
I can finally run again, I'm

475
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:04,400
only jogging.
It was, you know, it's it's you

476
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,400
don't realize how out of shape
your legs are.

477
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:12,400
You haven't really used them
aside from walking since

478
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,520
February 26th.
To trust me, I'm.

479
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,880
I'm aware like, well, that's
just, but that's because you

480
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,720
don't you don't work out like I
do.

481
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:27,920
No, You know, that's that's the
one thing once we dive into, you

482
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,440
know, alcoholism and addiction
and shit, that's the one thing

483
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,040
that I've I've learned.
Running helps me clear my head.

484
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:41,360
It helps me purge the shit, you
know, like I had a couple weeks

485
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:43,600
ago, I went and met with his
family, who I've known for

486
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,320
years, like I dressed up as
Santa Claus for the kids to take

487
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,320
pictures with and shit, right.
And they get ready to move to

488
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,040
the East Coast.
So I went and talked to them,

489
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,040
had an appointment to discuss
listing their house, all that

490
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,280
kind of jazz.
Everything went solid, had no

491
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,920
negative feelings that I wanted
to laugh, You know, the follow

492
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,000
up questions were great.
My follow up was fantastic.

493
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,400
I sent them cards with little
treats.

494
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,400
It's, you know, it's what I do.
So the wife pushes out and has

495
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,280
the husband call me and tell me.
They chose to go with this

496
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,880
realtor who sold two houses in
the last 12 months and is

497
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,040
basically 90 years old and does
nothing but stick a sign in the

498
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,040
yard.
I'm like, you're fucking kidding

499
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,880
me.
Like, what's up with that shit?

500
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,640
Well, normally I'd go run it
out, but I'm not allowed to run,

501
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,560
run yet, so I, you know, I
didn't.

502
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,400
But that kind of shit, just mind
boggling because I'm so

503
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,280
competitive.
I'm so driven with what I know

504
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,800
and how I do it.
It's just it it pisses me off

505
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,800
that just because they've known
her, they've used her for like 4

506
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,840
transactions.
Mind you in their lifetime only

507
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,400
one or maybe and they kick their
kids to her, but that's it.

508
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,560
And that, you know, she
literally she's a discount

509
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,760
broker so she doesn't offer 3%
like I do all the fire stations,

510
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,320
she doesn't do video, she
doesn't do commercial stuff.

511
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,400
She just throws a sign in the
yard, sticks the fire in the

512
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,760
house and sticks on me.
Molest.

513
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,680
Whoo, whole nother topic.
See how I go all over the place.

514
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,440
Mike, you need to.
Talk more.

515
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,560
You need to inject yourself more
into there.

516
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,720
You're.
I can tell you you're the second

517
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,840
person that I've heard say that
running is their outlet to

518
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:24,080
alcoholism.
Really.

519
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,120
Yeah, I got a buddy that lives.
He work with.

520
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,160
No, he lives in the state of
Washington.

521
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,480
When I worked at Guitar Center
in Phoenix, he was my manager

522
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,400
and he gave up drinking and he
took up running as well.

523
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,160
I always see his pictures on
Facebook of all his trail cams

524
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,760
and all the mountainous runs he
takes and oh, right on.

525
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,320
Yeah, I I'm, I'm waiting to get
back to the whole trails and

526
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,280
running in the mountains and
ship because that's a lot less

527
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,720
hard on your feet because that's
the other thing people don't

528
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,240
realize, like, like I don't
consider myself a professional

529
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,360
runner, right?
But I've had people referred to

530
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,520
me as an athlete at Orange
Theory because of, you know, my

531
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,760
insanity when it comes to
health, right?

532
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,520
Because but that's the addictive
personality.

533
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,680
You find something to replace
your addiction and then it's

534
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,120
tunnel vision.
And a lot of people, I don't

535
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,680
think, realize that.
And and I go in there with the

536
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,600
game face on like I'm here to.
I'm here to fucking work.

537
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,200
I'm not here to socialize and
fuck around, get old giddy, give

538
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,360
you fucking high fives.
Woo, fuck that.

539
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,960
I'm there for an hour to kick my
own ass because that's what I

540
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,320
need, you know, to correct the
demons at Bay.

541
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,320
Anybody know?
I know my demons and I know my

542
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,760
weaknesses.
Anybody who's been an addict,

543
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,000
had an addiction of any kind
understands that that energy has

544
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:57,880
to go somewhere else once you
give up that addiction, right?

545
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,520
Because if you don't, what
happens?

546
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,040
You go right back down the
rabbit hole.

547
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,800
Exactly that, that that energy
and that wanting to fill that

548
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,760
void or that time or that space
in your life doesn't just go

549
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,040
away.
You have to replace it with

550
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,040
something, and that something
has to be positive.

551
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:20,640
Agreed Absolutely.
And people don't realize if if

552
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:26,560
they haven't been in our shoes,
they don't understand how

553
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,160
quickly that can turn.
Like I had a family member that

554
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,040
was straight up addicted, had
addiction issues for about 7

555
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,160
years.
And every time that that person

556
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,720
would get to the point of OK
detox and then and then sober

557
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,920
living.
And then once you're out of the

558
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,560
30 day sober living kind of
transition thing and you're

559
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,840
going to the halfway house or
whatever transition that's

560
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:57,880
there, that that's the major
glitch in the addiction world.

561
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,360
There's no, I mean, think about
it, when you're getting clean,

562
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:02,800
you're in a lockdown facility,
right?

563
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,880
Like you can't believe you're
you're just in prison, basically

564
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,560
for whatever amount of time,
where it's three days, five

565
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,560
days, seven days, right?
Well, my train was from that

566
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:18,160
into a 30 day.
Mine was self-imposed, but I

567
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,840
understand what you're saying.
Yeah.

568
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:30,520
OK, so then you go from that
intense lockdown detox to the 30

569
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,440
day program, right.
At a minimum.

570
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,280
I mean some people it's Max
whatever, but you have all the

571
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,600
support in those thirty days.
You have 24 hour care.

572
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,560
You have any given time, you
wake up 2:00 morning.

573
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,680
Oh, I feel like you know,
getting high.

574
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,200
You have somebody down the hall,
you go talk to everybody's there

575
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,080
for the same thing, the same
mindset.

576
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,560
They all want to get healthy.
They all want to recover.

577
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,520
They all want to make amends.
They all want to go through the

578
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,120
steps, right?
The vicious cycle of the steps,

579
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,680
because it is vicious if you go
through it once and this person

580
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:09,200
went through it seven times.
So you know, we won't go into

581
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,400
the steps of what I feel about
the bills in the book.

582
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:17,520
But then you leave that, you
leave that that support

583
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,440
mechanism that you're in your
house and that you're you're

584
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:26,120
completely in the safe place and
it released to the world.

585
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,520
Now this person couldn't come
back and live with family

586
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:34,640
because they had tarnished that
by by doing heavy drugs within

587
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,560
that household.
So there wasn't an option to

588
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,400
return.
So they had to brave the

589
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,680
bullshit halfway houses in the
silver living facilities, things

590
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,680
like that.
That's where the glitch happens,

591
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,840
man.
That's where the chaos

592
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,160
reinstitutes itself.
Because when you walk into one

593
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,480
of those group homes, which
could be a four bedroom house

594
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:02,680
with two bathrooms, and you're
housing 16 adults that have

595
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,800
issues with addiction, they're
there for a reason.

596
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,800
It's all about the Benjamins for
the people who own it, because

597
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,320
they don't provide shit.
You got to buy your own food,

598
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,040
You got to buy your own stuff.
I mean, there's nothing that

599
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,960
they provide you except a roof
over your head, but you're

600
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,520
sharing it with 15 other people.
So as quickly as that addict can

601
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,880
remove themselves from that
environment, because that's a

602
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:30,200
high fucking stress, high drama,
Fuck you, you're in my space.

603
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,800
You know, Everybody handles
recovery different.

604
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,920
That's where the glitch is, and
that's where every single

605
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,760
failure happened with this
family member.

606
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,120
Once they got to that point and
had to open that door of

607
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,000
recovery, that's where they
would tumble and fall every time

608
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,720
without exception, except the
very last time.

609
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:57,560
You and I, you and I have talked
many times about the number one

610
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:03,000
factor is you have to want to
succeed in recovery yourself

611
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:08,840
before anyone else can help you.
Obviously I went through mine by

612
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,840
myself, I went through mine by
myself, so mine was

613
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,159
self-imposed.
But I tried three times before I

614
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:19,000
was successful because the first
two times that I tried.

615
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,080
I didn't really want to quit.
I was quitting because people

616
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,840
told me I was an addict.
Mostly it was that.

617
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,280
Mostly it was people that kept
telling me, hey, you got a

618
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,520
problem.
And I knew I had a problem.

619
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,159
I didn't need somebody to tell
me I had a problem, and that

620
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:36,080
made me feel worse about it.
So that made me want to get high

621
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,600
even more.
It wasn't until I knew that my

622
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:45,080
health was at risk that I
literally had hit rock bottom.

623
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,800
I had one.
So-called friend left in the

624
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,760
world that knew what was going
on with me and that was Kevin.

625
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,480
I will give him credit that he
let me live with him when I was

626
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,600
going through my worst man.
He never gave up on me so if it

627
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,520
had not been for him I wouldn't
have made it.

628
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,320
I wouldn't be sitting here
talking to you.

629
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,280
So I would say this, the biggest
thing that people need to

630
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,120
understand is if it's their
family member and someone that

631
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,360
they care about.
There's really nothing you can

632
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,480
do other than to be positive and
support them with positivity and

633
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,520
not negativity, not negativity.
Not telling them they're an

634
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,960
addict constantly because they
know they're an addict.

635
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,120
They don't need any help with
that, right?

636
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,680
And and the other little thing
too, telling them that they're

637
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,760
an addict and telling them that
they need help.

638
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,120
Typically people don't listen
because like you just said,

639
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,560
you're going to get help when
you realize you need help.

640
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:48,360
And there's got to be something
in your life that makes that all

641
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,920
of a sudden, holy shit, this is,
this is what I'm living like

642
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,400
this.
Something has to change.

643
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,480
You have to have, I want to say
epiphany, but you got to have

644
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,720
that moment that just kind of
like, you know, this one time I

645
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:03,840
was, I was at this place in in,
in where was it?

646
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,240
I think Tempe called the
Electric Ballroom, Right?

647
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,400
Yes, watching this band.
And I was.

648
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,960
I was young and I had powerful
voice and I could sing along

649
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,160
with people like Kevin Martin of
Candlebox.

650
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,400
So I'm singing along with Kevin
and this fucking long haired

651
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,080
dude, right?
This long haired dude keeps

652
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,960
turning his head looking at me
like shut the fuck up, shut the

653
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,160
fuck up.
Every time I'm holding out his

654
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,400
notes and you know, all of it
just fucking rocking hard.

655
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,440
And then half the stage goes out
with a blown fuse.

656
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,160
This motherfucker has the balls
to turn around and give me a

657
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,800
business card and say, hey, are
you a singer?

658
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:44,920
I'm in a band, man.
See, And that was that moment.

659
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,920
That was one of those moments in
life that like, yes, I'm

660
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,520
supposed to be.
Here I'm supposed to be.

661
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:51,760
This is where I'm supposed to
be.

662
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,320
This day and time.
It's going to change the

663
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,040
trajectory of my lifetime,
whether it's good or bad.

664
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,440
It was one of those moments that
you had to be.

665
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,480
If I didn't go to that show,
that never would have happened.

666
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,160
And that path of falling in love
with music for real never would

667
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,280
have happened.
So it's the same concept with

668
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,680
whether you're alcoholic or a
drug addict, you got to have

669
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,680
that moment that just fucking
resonates in your soul and says

670
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,280
yes.
So this is where the change

671
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,960
needs to happen.
Do you know how you know how

672
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,080
crazy that is to hear that story
back for me?

673
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,360
Because I went from being like
I'm not even the same person

674
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,600
anymore.
Man, that guy used to go to

675
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,600
concerts by himself.
I wasn't there with anybody.

676
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,440
I was just like, I love
Candlebox and I can't stop

677
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,720
listening to that first album.
So somebody told me that they

678
00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:47,640
were going to be at this new
place called the Electric

679
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,680
Ballroom.
That place had just opened up

680
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,480
not that long before they played
there.

681
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,560
And I was like, fuck it, man,
It's right down the road.

682
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,200
So I bought a ticket and I went
to the I used to go to all kinds

683
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,400
of concerts by myself.
I went and saw Steve Miller.

684
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:05,120
I saw REO Speedwagon.
I just saw all the people that I

685
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:12,400
wanted to see and I didn't know.
A lot of, you know, I had just

686
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,440
met you, so I didn't know a lot
of people at the time.

687
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,920
I didn't really have a choice.
If I wanted to go do something,

688
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,120
I went and did it by myself,
right?

689
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,640
Right now, there's like 3 movies
I've wanted to see in the last

690
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,800
two months and I won't go do
anything by myself.

691
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,040
That's funny, right?
And then and for those that are

692
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,760
listening to this, that story
was how Mike and I met.

693
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,480
That was the original meeting of
he and I.

694
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,200
Yes.
Apparently I even had business

695
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,120
cards 93 ish somewhere around
there.

696
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:42,680
You did.
You did.

697
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:45,680
That's when the band was called
Desperate Angel.

698
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,040
And then later on I saw and it
was a Pearl Jams video.

699
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,840
Jeremy.
No, it wasn't Jeremy.

700
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,840
It was the lyric.
It turned to my nemesis.

701
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,320
Pull that fucking gun.
That's then I was like, oh,

702
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,800
Nemesis.
Nemesis.

703
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,680
And then you ran with that idea,
and there we were.

704
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,640
Yes, because Nemesis is my mind
you.

705
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,520
Nemesis is the goddess of
vengeance in Greek mythology

706
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,680
right now.
Some like fucking rapper took it

707
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,760
or something.
No, it's some fucking pop band

708
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:21,720
from Belgium.
They're terrible.

709
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,520
Fucking terrible.
Weird, Yeah.

710
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,280
Yeah.
Well, if it's if they're not us,

711
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,120
they have to each other.
So yeah.

712
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:33,920
So does this have a oh, there it
is, I was going to say.

713
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,960
When I met you, we had just
fired Mike.

714
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,360
Because we.
Played at the Electric Ballroom

715
00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:46,160
about a month before chatting.
Oh, there's a month before what?

716
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,480
We played probably a month
before we met you and our

717
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,800
original bass player had stage
fright so bad that he froze up

718
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,560
before he went out on stage.
I remember you telling me that

719
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,440
that's, that's, and he wasn't
Jim Morrison, so that's why he's

720
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,200
no longer around.
It was the dude.

721
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,960
It was the freakiest thing I've
ever encountered in my life

722
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,320
because I went from playing
with.

723
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,080
So my music career started out
when I was nine.

724
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,080
I had a bunch of guys that I
went to high school with that

725
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,760
one of them became a drummer,
one of them became a bass

726
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,240
player, bunch of us became
guitar players.

727
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:25,680
And there was one guy that
taught us all how to play and he

728
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,400
was an amazing teacher.
And all these guys, all these

729
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,840
guys, believe it or not, are
still playing to this day.

730
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,520
And a lot of them are in a band
together.

731
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,000
So it's amazing.
At the community that he

732
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,120
created.
As far as you know, we all still

733
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,040
know each other.
We still talk to each other.

734
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:50,320
Yeah, it's it's really cool.
So I never knew anybody that was

735
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,280
afraid to play in front of
someone like that thought had we

736
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,320
were too stupid to know you were
supposed to be scared, you know?

737
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,480
And that once you've, you know,
once you've played in front of

738
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,040
people, that feeling just gets
less and less.

739
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,520
As far as, like, we've talked
about, it's more of your

740
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,200
adrenaline's pumping.
You're ready to get on the

741
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,880
stage.
It's not that you're afraid to

742
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,040
go out there, It's just that you
can't stop your leg from shaking

743
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,040
and you just got all this
adrenaline going and you're

744
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,720
ready to get out there and make
it happen.

745
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:27,080
You know this guy, he was like,
he was like in shock, dude.

746
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:30,600
Like I put my hand in front of
his face and there was nothing,

747
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,560
like, no, no eye movement,
nothing.

748
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,920
So I I suppose I should back up
because the way this happened

749
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,240
was I'm bullshitting with the
guys who were going on before us

750
00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:45,240
and the guys who had just come
off the stage.

751
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,320
And Scott came over and he said
you better go see what's going

752
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,280
on with.
I'm not going to mention names,

753
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,680
but anyway said you better go on
and see what's going on with

754
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,160
this dude because something
ain't right.

755
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,080
So that's what happened.
When I went up to him, it was

756
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,560
just there was nothing, man.
He was gone.

757
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,880
And I don't remember what I said
to get him out there, but it

758
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,200
probably wasn't nice.
That was it after that game.

759
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:14,120
Scott.
Scott, Yeah.

760
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,680
Scott being the late, great
Germer.

761
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,000
Yeah, yes.
Unfortunately, Scott's no longer

762
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,360
with us.
Rest in peace.

763
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,800
So.
Yeah, after that gig he was, he

764
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,720
was tarnished that, yeah, that
was the moment in time that I

765
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:30,760
knew Scott wasn't going to put
up with any bullshit.

766
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,760
Because at the end of that gig,
he's like, that can never happen

767
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,480
again.
So we're going to have to find a

768
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,080
new singer and a new bass
player.

769
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,400
And I thought he was kidding.
I figured he would calm down.

770
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:48,160
Off the ledge, But no.
The very next day he called me

771
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,400
up and he says I'm going to pick
up my equipment at So and So's

772
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,280
house and I suggest you go do
the same thing because I'm done.

773
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,920
He said that that can't ever
happen again and it's hard to

774
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,040
argue with that.
You can't.

775
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:01,240
You can't.
Oh.

776
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:07,080
Yeah, you just can't be in a
band with somebody that on any

777
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,560
given moment they're going to
panic on you, you know?

778
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,200
Right.
Yeah, yeah.

779
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,720
That's why I said the only
person that that that ever

780
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:21,320
worked for that I know of is is
Morrison.

781
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,800
Because Morrison had an extreme
strange fright when they first

782
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,920
started playing to where he
would, he would stand side stage

783
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,160
and and not look at the crowd.
He'd still sing, he'd still

784
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,200
perform.
But there was he just until he

785
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:38,400
finally was probably on some
weird, you know, type of

786
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:43,160
psychotic or hallucinogen or
something that would you know.

787
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,080
Make him oblivious to what he
was doing.

788
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:48,400
It took him a while to actually
turn around and embrace the

789
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:49,920
crowd, you know.
Thankfully he did.

790
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,960
Because, you know, the Doors
would never be The Doors had

791
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,120
Morrison not turned around.
Yeah, and I don't know if this

792
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:57,640
is 1.
Of the greatest American rock

793
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,600
bands of all time.
I don't know if this is a

794
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,880
historical fact or not, but I've
heard the same thing about Eddie

795
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,360
Van Halen.
I have.

796
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,960
Ironically enough, I have too.
But the difference with that

797
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,840
He's hiding behind a guitar,
essentially.

798
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:13,760
Correct.
And then you get.

799
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:17,320
I think it's I think personally
because and this is biased

800
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,080
because I'm.
I've always been a lead singer

801
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,680
of the bands so I've been in.
But it's it's I think it weighs

802
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:28,200
more on the singers because
there's nothing between me and

803
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,520
the crowd.
You have an instrument.

804
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,080
Scott could hide behind a drum
kit, not hide but Scott was

805
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,320
behind a drum kit, bass players
behind the bass guitarist,

806
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,680
behind a guitar.
She'd have something tangible.

807
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,800
And because I never really had
the patience, because we'll call

808
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,680
it that.
I never had the patience to

809
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:49,040
actually play an instrument or
learn how on a grand scale.

810
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:56,640
I didn't I didn't have anything
to kind of block I guess is the

811
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,800
I don't know what I'm you get
what I'm trying to say though

812
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,880
I'm like I'm there like there's
they got to go through me to get

813
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,600
to everybody else.
So the ownership of everything

814
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,840
kind of fell on on the singers
in my mind and did the the

815
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,400
musicians in the band.
Because you had that element,

816
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:15,560
you didn't have to engage the
crowd.

817
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:16,680
You didn't have to look at the
crowd.

818
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,720
You didn't have to.
You can just turn around and jam

819
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:21,720
with the bass player, you know,
turn around and jam with the

820
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:23,840
drummer, you know?
Yeah, I would.

821
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,280
I would actually agree with.
No, I would actually agree with

822
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:32,040
everything you're saying
1,000,000% and I've described it

823
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,000
to 9 musicians the same way you
just did.

824
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:40,600
There's two things that will
make a band fail immediately.

825
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,520
One, if you have a bad drummer,
you're not going anywhere.

826
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,640
I don't care how great everybody
else is.

827
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,480
If your drummer sucks, your band
sucks.

828
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,840
The same thing goes with your
front man.

829
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,520
If you don't have someone that
can command a crowd, you're

830
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:59,480
fucked.
And I only know that not as a

831
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,800
theory, but in practice.
Because after you left the band,

832
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,360
everything progressively went
downhill.

833
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:10,760
Because as much as I love Rick,
he just wasn't the he just

834
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,840
wasn't the commanding
personality that you were on

835
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,480
stage.
I'm not that commanding

836
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,680
personality either.
That's why, you know, doing this

837
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,200
podcast is something that's
really out-of-the-box for me.

838
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,800
It's not something that I
normally would do, ironically

839
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:26,800
enough.
It's something I've always

840
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:31,560
wanted to do, but I'm probably
going to progressively get

841
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,720
better and better as I do it,
and you're going to be very much

842
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:37,120
the same because you're used to
being in front of a microphone

843
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,560
and talking to people.
And I everybody, I forced Mike

844
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,880
to do this.
And you know, and before I

845
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:52,680
forget, I, you know, it's the
I've been in what what Disturbed

846
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,000
Nemesis.
No Disturbed, Annulosian Dog,

847
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:02,280
Nemesis and the Council are the
only four bands I recognize.

848
00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:05,960
And and and I don't know what it
is and this isn't me.

849
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,240
Look at me but every time I left
they all fell apart.

850
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,320
I don't know why that is.
Like I don't know why I the the

851
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,400
biggest we're going to have
musically is leaving Nemesis.

852
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,400
I wish I never did that.
I wish I would have just stuck

853
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:19,560
through the shit I was dealing
with.

854
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,320
And and we just went on a high
end this for a while for me to

855
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,320
to get to where I needed to be.
So yeah, we wish you would.

856
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:26,720
We wish you would have done that
too.

857
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,280
But I just.
I didn't because of what we had.

858
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:32,840
That dude that wanted to follow
the band around and record it

859
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,600
live, I didn't.
I didn't want to be the reason

860
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:40,240
that that didn't happen, right?
Yeah, that didn't happen.

861
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,000
Looking back on, if I can go
back into, you know, Oh well, it

862
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,560
was supposed to happen but so
looking back on it and so that

863
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,920
dude, I can't remember his last.
Yeah, go ahead.

864
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,720
Tell me what?
I can't remember his last name.

865
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:59,560
His name was Jeff, so he was a
liaison between Metal Blade and

866
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,440
ourselves.
He was going from being a live

867
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,840
sound engineer.
The last tour that he did before

868
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,600
he got with us was the Queen's
Reich tour.

869
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,680
I think it was their Promised
Land album.

870
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,920
I I can't remember what that
album is called.

871
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,240
I think it was called The
Promised Land.

872
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,880
So he was their front of house
sound engineer.

873
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:27,560
And that was during EMI, yes?
So he had just done that last

874
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,040
tour with Queen's Reich and he
was building a studio in his

875
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:36,480
house in Paradise Valley.
So Scott and I went and toured

876
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,560
the studio, which was amazing.
He just basically took one whole

877
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:45,120
half of a gigantic house in
Paradise Valley and he made that

878
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:49,760
half of the house studio.
He was going to start recording

879
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,960
bands for Metal Blade.
So basically what we had was we

880
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:58,480
had a development deal with
Metal Blade and he was going to

881
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,960
be our producer.
But there was one condition.

882
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,400
When you left, you were the you
were the biggest reason that he

883
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,680
wanted the band because it was
the whole package.

884
00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:12,840
See, I never I I I never knew
that.

885
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,120
I never knew the whole Metal
Blade stuff.

886
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:21,280
All I all I ever knew was we
were going to go to these shows

887
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,280
in the Midwest for a month or so
and and I just, I didn't know

888
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,440
that whole.
Development part of it because I

889
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:29,800
don't know.
And then it really would have

890
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,320
been OK.
We need to get Chris healthy so

891
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,680
then we can really do this thing
well because I he wanted.

892
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,040
I I never would have.
He wanted us to go do those

893
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:42,560
shows because so basically
anytime a band's getting ready

894
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,760
to go in the studio, they'll go
do a little mini tour, right?

895
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,400
That was going to be that little
mini tour was just to make sure

896
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,720
that we were playing every day
and that we had no breaks

897
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:56,520
between the time that we went
out on that tour and that we

898
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,960
went in the studio.
It was just basically a warm up

899
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,240
to go in and record what would
have been our album.

900
00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:02,560
Gotcha.
Yeah.

901
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,160
See, I didn't know that shit.
You didn't tell me that shit.

902
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:08,440
My shame on you.
I don't know if I had an option

903
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,640
back then.
But, you know, anyway, so that,

904
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,360
yeah, so, so yeah, that was one
of those things that they've and

905
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,080
looking back in my life, there's
not very many things I regret.

906
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,720
But that's one of the things
that that have always you

907
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:22,720
dreaded.
And I and I tried to replace it

908
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:27,600
right with with the two bands
subsequently and they just, you

909
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,600
know, you know, you know well
names you know.

910
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,120
But we we had something special
man.

911
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:39,120
There was we've we've talked
about it at nauseam between the

912
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,160
two of us but not to the general
public.

913
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:46,480
So we we had just an amazing
relationship between the four of

914
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,440
us and the the the conflicts
that would arise.

915
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:56,040
There was somebody that would
always say something funny to

916
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,080
make everybody laugh or
whatever, man.

917
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,320
We never, I don't think we ever
came to the point where we're

918
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,200
going to come to blows over
anything.

919
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,760
And we never argued about the
direction of the music.

920
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,920
It was always what's what's best
for the song.

921
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,920
Always.
Right, right.

922
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,680
The only argument I ever
honestly remember was when.

923
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,560
Scott didn't like the amount of
time I was saying are you

924
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,800
satisfied?
In that song I wrote about my my

925
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,360
fun relationship with Roger
Klein and then the Refreshments.

926
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:31,040
Now he's the Peacemakers because
he had they had removed somebody

927
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,360
from their band due to substance
abuse problem, which I thought

928
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:34,840
was fucked up.
You stand by.

929
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:39,800
You're the refreshments.
Right, you stand by the

930
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,120
Refreshments wrote the theme
song to King of the Hill for

931
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,040
those who aren't in the know.
They did.

932
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:45,960
They did, Absolutely.
He's still getting money for

933
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,320
that, I'm sure.
But yeah, I'm sure they're

934
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:53,040
making a good living off.
It We had a We had a, yeah, we

935
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:57,600
had a we had a fun little, I'm
not going to say a friendship,

936
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,880
because it wasn't really that
we'd running each other at at at

937
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,440
Tempe U nightclubs when they
were playing and whatnot.

938
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,200
And I just, I didn't like what
they did to Dusty.

939
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,120
So I held a sign up saying,
Where's Dusty?

940
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,400
At a show.
And then half with you, the

941
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,520
show.
I replaced that sign by turning

942
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:15,680
it around, saying Roger who?
Oh, did that piss him off?

943
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,840
I think you pub.
I think you publicly cussed him

944
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,680
out on stage a couple times too.
Yeah, I did.

945
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:24,680
I just why didn't customize?
I just.

946
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,320
I referred to him as a tippy
jangle Jang.

947
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,840
The tippy jangle jangle sound.
Tippy Jingle jangle sound.

948
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,960
And if you hear for that, you're
in the wrong place because we're

949
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,440
all about rock'n'roll.
That was it.

950
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:42,120
But yeah, he he, he, he.
After that song was over in my

951
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,720
sign Chris thought him is that
you?

952
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:50,360
Crowd went and I was like, what?
And I was like 5 people from the

953
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:51,480
stage.
Is that you?

954
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,200
I'm like, yeah, we're going to
have a conversation about you

955
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:56,960
running your mouth about what
you don't know about.

956
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,040
I'm right here.
You never came off the stage.

957
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,680
Obviously it never amounted to
anything other than that.

958
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,880
But.
The fun thing was that lived on

959
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,800
for a while because as we would
play our shows and shit, people

960
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,640
would randomly be like, oh
you're that dude that held that

961
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:12,840
sign up and pissed.
Rock drop.

962
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,280
Yes, I am.
So you know not not only that

963
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:18,640
and.
Then I ended up selling a house

964
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,480
to his brother, which was the
weirdest thing.

965
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:25,040
Not only that, man.
I think the coolest thing for us

966
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:29,000
is we were not single handedly,
but we were one of the first

967
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:33,960
bands to change that particular
region sound from the Gin

968
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:35,800
Blossoms to what it became
later.

969
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:38,480
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, we sold out every time

970
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,680
we played and back then not a
lot of people realize this, I'm

971
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,000
sure that are going to hear
this.

972
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,760
But back then you had to sell
tickets for your show before the

973
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,040
show.
Yes.

974
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,760
You couldn't just go to the door
and say I'm here to see this

975
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,200
band.
We actually had to sell our

976
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:57,080
tickets to our shows ahead of
time, yes, basically we had to

977
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,400
guarantee that people were going
to show up.

978
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,240
Yep, Yep.
And we did.

979
00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:08,120
We, I don't remember.
We had a couple shows at the

980
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:13,000
Hollywood Alley that just were
just shit the typical, you know

981
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,600
four people on the crowd type
thing when we first started

982
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,360
playing out.
But I don't, I don't think the

983
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:22,560
Mesa jar we ever had a very, I
think we always had a really

984
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,680
solid crowd there.
I know the bottom We always had

985
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,000
a good crowd.
Maybe in the very beginning, the

986
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,120
Hollywood, because we were
playing.

987
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,080
Yeah, but.
That was a weird play too.

988
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,520
It wasn't really band friendly.
Remember how they had those

989
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,240
really high fucking booths and
shit with?

990
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,720
Yeah, like lean up to see
outside the booth.

991
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:43,440
It just it didn't make sense to
me, that place, Where was that

992
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:44,320
at?
It's gone now.

993
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,720
I forget what it is.
But the Hollywood Alley?

994
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,920
Remember that off one-on-one And
Price or Oh yeah, that.

995
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:51,600
Place was.
It was.

996
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,480
It was that place was set up
all.

997
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,360
Fucked up, right?
Yeah.

998
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,840
Yeah, it was dumb, man.
I had a buddy that played there.

999
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:06,680
I'd go see him in a band called
Dow Jones, Tao Jones, and he

1000
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,400
took one of my poems and wrote a
song with it, which is fucking

1001
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:11,880
bad ass.
But I went and watched him play

1002
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,280
because he would play with, he'd
play a sitar.

1003
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:20,120
Like he somehow made a sitar
work in rock.

1004
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,680
Not fucking Indian, you know
that?

1005
00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:27,000
Where's?
Originated from, but just right.

1006
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,640
He made it work with
rock'n'roll.

1007
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,920
I fucking lights out, man.
So what's that feel about a

1008
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,520
couple times?
Just because.

1009
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:36,600
Did he really?
Yeah.

1010
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,120
The beginning of Wherever I May
Roam is a sitar.

1011
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,120
Oh, just get the fuck out of
here 100% dude.

1012
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,160
And when we get technically
savvy, I would, I would play it

1013
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,800
for you if I could, but I don't
know how to do that right now.

1014
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,960
That's badass, dude.
Yeah, that's very cool.

1015
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,360
All right.
Well, we're approaching in an

1016
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,600
hour, so I think we should
figure out a way to wrap this

1017
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,880
thing up, because I got to pee.
All right.

1018
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:06,800
And you don't like peeing on
screen?

1019
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,720
That would be bad because I'd
have no, no.

1020
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,880
I don't think anybody needs to
see that but.

1021
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,760
So this is, this is whatever
we're going to call ourselves

1022
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,800
right now.
The Working Thing is the Super

1023
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,800
Not Professional podcast with
the subtitle of Music, Mayhem

1024
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,200
and and what was the other
thing?

1025
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,680
Music and Myth and Mayhem.
What the fuck?

1026
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,440
Myth music.
Yeah, music myth and mayhem.

1027
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,800
Is music myth and mayhem?
All under the umbrella, All new,

1028
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,880
right?
Yeah, Yeah, you know, that's a

1029
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,120
good.
That's a good working title.

1030
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,000
Along with the Super Net
Professional Podcast.

1031
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,360
You know, I think we
accomplished a lot in our first

1032
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:45,920
podcast.
I've never done a podcast

1033
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,600
before.
I have done.

1034
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,720
Radio.
I've done my quote UN quote.

1035
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,480
Good.
Yeah, I've never done one

1036
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:53,840
either.
So listening, well, you know,

1037
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,240
I'm happy with it.
It'll be, it'll be cool to fuck

1038
00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:59,000
around with it afterwards and
and see what we can do as far

1039
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:03,120
as, you know, editing it into,
you know, a video content type

1040
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,680
thing and slicing little
elements and shit and farming

1041
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,320
them out to a little world on
Google.

1042
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,800
Yeah, I'm going to make this.
Ironically enough, when I signed

1043
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,880
on my YouTube clips, I signed on
my YouTube.

1044
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,000
Today, they have this new spot
for podcasts.

1045
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:19,520
Awesome.
Holy shit.

1046
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:21,280
Well, I'm going to make you
some.

1047
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,080
I'm going to make you some clips
and no, but I will.

1048
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:31,240
OK, OK, you got it.
When we decide for sure what

1049
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,600
we're calling this damn thing,
that's that should be the

1050
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:34,960
podcast.
That should be the YouTube

1051
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:39,280
channel name and that's what I
want to get to as we we'll we'll

1052
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:44,080
decide on a title in the next
week and or day or whatever.

1053
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,600
And we'll, yeah, put it up on
YouTube and Facebook and

1054
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,200
everyone can watch it.
I'm going to sign off here.

1055
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,000
Hold on, this is a raging
success, man.

1056
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:58,760
Where I had a very good time
anyway, that until next time

1057
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,080
anybody that made it this far,
we commend you.

1058
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,560
Until next time, peace.
Yeah, absolutely.

1059
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:07,400
Until next time.
See you later.