#108 - Lemoyne Alexander - From Hip Hop Producer to Rockstar

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So there, boys and girls,
welcome to the show.

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This is Chris, That's Mike.
And this is Lemon Alexander.

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He is, I guess we're super
excited to have on the show

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because his credibility, his
life resume is outstanding.

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You can find us as always,
Instagram, Facebook and YouTube.

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So Lemon Alexander, welcome his
name.

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Is lamoine.
Lamoine lamoine.

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Dammit, lamoine, lamoine.
It's.

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OK, it's OK, I get that all the
time.

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I know, but I I'm not that guy.
I like to be like the I'm

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pronouncing your name properly
and plugging.

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Why?
We did this before the show I

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got.
I know just.

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Balls a little.
Bit man, it's, it's my, it's my

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OCD man.
It's just who I am.

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But now, now I remember Des
Moines.

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Le Moines.
Le Moines.

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Yeah, that's what I I tell
everybody.

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Des Moines, Le Moines.
That's great.

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Le Moines.
So introduce yourself to our we

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have this going live right now
on YouTube and then we'll be on

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the podcast platforms as well.
So introduce yourself to our our

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fans.
Welcome YouTube viewers, My name

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is Lamoine Alexander, I'm a
recording artist of Rock'n'roll.

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Right on.
Right on.

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That song you heard from the
from the beginning of our show,

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that's actually Mike and I when
we had our band Nemesis.

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That's a song called Freeman.
Yeah.

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Song called Freeman because it's
relevant.

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I like that.
Yeah.

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Thank you.
Thank you.

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That means a lot coming from
you.

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Absolutely.
Thank you.

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It always means more coming from
another musician.

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Yeah, well, absolutely.
We we have our own language.

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Absolutely.
So give us, give us, give us.

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We're in an elevator going to
the 22nd floor.

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This is floor #1 talk about
yourself for 22 floors man.

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Yeah, Where did you get started
and how did you go from?

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So I did my own little research.
Chris said that how did you go

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from the hip hop R&B?
How did you go from that side of

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things to wanting to be a
rock'n'roll star?

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That fascinating.
Back in the day, I was a major

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like force in the rap game
producing a lot of big name

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recording artists.
And I know it was around the

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time when it was the Biggie and
the Tupac confusion going on and

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I lost a lot of casualties in
that.

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And I the music changed,
everything changed and I wanted

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no part of it.
So I walked away and I had just

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got offered all these millions
of dollars to do all of this

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stuff that I said I'm not doing
it.

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And I, I cold Turkey walked
away.

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Wow.
Yeah, wow, that's that's a lot,

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man.
And then I was stuck with like,

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OK, So what am I going to do?
You know, I've done a lot of TV,

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I've done a lot of movies,
soundtracks and stuff.

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But I still needed to get some
of me out.

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And I didn't know where to go.
And at the time, my dad was he,

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I didn't know he had had cancer.
He was telling me, I really want

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you to go back and sing and do
your own thing.

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It's time for you to stop
producing and writing for

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everybody else.
It's time for you to do you.

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And I was like, I've always hid
behind my production and

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everything.
So I never wanted to be upfront.

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So I started a rock band called
State of Grace and we did a lot

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of songs.
And one of those songs that

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really sparked off everything
for us was the the remake of the

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Killer Queen.
With Queen I did a song with Oh.

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Right on, man Killer.
Queen for the for the movie

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Bohemian Rhapsody.
Oh sweet.

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And it never got picked up, but
we still put it on the album and

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Queen added it to the
discography, so I was happy

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about.
That is super impressive.

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Congratulations man.
Yeah, that's.

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Huge.
And that's the record right

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there, if you can see it, that's
the, we got a plaque for that.

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And from that point on, I did,
we did 4 albums.

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And at the end of that term with
the band, it lasted 10 years.

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And I kept saying I, you know,
everybody was really complaining

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in the band because I wrote
produce, played all the

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instruments and all they did was
porn.

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Right.
Right.

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And and my managers was like,
see, you're the guy you should

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be up front and, you know, drop
the band.

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And I was like, no, I'm never
going to drop the band.

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And the band dropped me.
So I said, OK, it's time for me

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to figure out what I'm going to
do.

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And I end up going back talking
to my dad and me and him had a

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long talk.
And I didn't know at the time we

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were talking, he was on his
deathbed.

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And he basically said, you know,
make a promise to me that you

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would, you know, record your own
stuff.

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And if you do that, then I'll be
there to be with you.

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And I said, OK.
So I left and I went home and I

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started working on solitude and.
Solitude was 2018.

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Right.
Yes, yes, one of my favorite

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albums.
Plus it was my debut album.

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OK, right on.
He.

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Passed during the making of the
album, and I dedicated the whole

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album to him.
In fact, I was almost going to

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quit, but you know, I just kept
going because I knew that's what

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he would want me to do.
And I didn't even get a chance

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to shop it.
I just, you know, talked to 1,

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maybe one or two people about
the record and Isotopia picked

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it up right away, told me to
finish it, and then they dropped

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it.
And then I did the second album.

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A perfect world.
Same way during the pandemic, it

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was always something going on
when I was working on both of my

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albums.
And then I ended my contract

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with Isotopia and I was in the
middle of a divorce.

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And that divorce prompt me to
write more songs and like

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Insecurity was one of my
favorite songs which we was not

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planning on putting that out and
my management team.

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I said, isn't it amazing how
relationship turmoil, it's just

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some of the best.
Some of the best.

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Recorded best, yeah.
It's just, it's 'cause everybody

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can gravate to to it, right?
Everybody can.

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Yeah, I mean, I've, I've gotten
that.

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But you what?
You what you guys don't know was

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I was in the middle of divorce
when that happened and I was

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single and I wrote the lyrics
based on a date that I had went

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out on.
And I knew that me and her

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would, you know, because I was
so insecure because of my

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divorce.
I really felt like I can't be,

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you know, in a relationship or
dating or anybody.

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I don't even know why I was
doing it.

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And I kept it real with this
person and I told him the truth

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and I wrote lyrics about it.
And that's how that song came

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about.
It was for therapy for me, but

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when management heard it,
there's like, you need to put

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this record out.
This is this is going to help a

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lot of people in the world.
And I clearly didn't think like,

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you know, I wasn't thinking like
that.

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And so I ended up talking to
with with my management got me

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another deal with a company
called Wicked records.

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And we ended up all three of us
talking together and say, Hey,

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let's make this the search the
first single.

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And and with the first single,
they decided to do an animation

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video, which was different.
I've never seen that before.

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And it it turned, I had no idea,
you guys, I had no idea that

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that song was going do as much
as it did.

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I've just heard that story.
I've heard that story so many

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times, man, where like, probably
one of the most famous is

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Hetfield talking about nothing
else matters.

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He's like, that was for me and I
played it for me.

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And I accidentally played it in
front of one of those guys one

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of those days.
And they were like, I think it

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was Bob Rock heard it first, you
know?

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Hey, what's that like?
No, no, no, no, I'm not taking

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this too much.
No, you don't understand.

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I can't play this in front of
these guys.

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That was the story.
The producer heard it first and

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he's like, I can't go play this
pretty stuff in front of those

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guys.
You know, they're going to laugh

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at me.
And Bob Rock was like, no, you

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don't understand.
That's going to be the biggest

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song you ever had.
And.

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And and clearly I didn't when I
was doing and you write about

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that because I love that song
that they did, but.

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Me too.
Clearly when I was doing

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Insecure as I was writing the
lyrics and singing it to it, you

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know, I I was like, there's
something with this song and I

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had a flight like the previous
morning and I was driving in the

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car like 4.
I had just finished the song 4 O

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clock in the morning.
I'm driving and it just I don't

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know what it did.
It was like magic.

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It just it touched.
Me.

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And I almost had a car,
literally had a car accident,

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and I said something about this
song.

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I had a ravine and I got out and
nobody was around during the

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during during the process of the
accident, I got back in the car.

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The song was still playing and I
just drove to the house, packed

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up and and got on a plane and I
had it in my headphones.

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I'm like, there's something
about this song.

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I don't know what it is, but
it's something about this song.

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And when management heard it,
like I said, you know, I was

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like, I really, I felt like,
like head feel like, you know,

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this is this is for me.
You know, when I, when I'm

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starting to feel, you know, I
have to remind myself when

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you're listening to to help me
understand what my position is

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and what I can and cannot do.
So I.

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Those are the best moments
because like Chris always uses

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the word vulnerable, right?
When someone is willing to be

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100% vulnerable, that's when
your true self comes out and

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that's what people want to see,
right?

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That's.
True.

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Yeah, you're absolutely right
about.

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That, but it's hard to do that.
It is hard.

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It's hard.
But for me it was like magic.

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I did the lyrics, I wrote the
lyrics.

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I sang a song one time, that was
it.

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And I didn't even go back to
listen to it.

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I just put playing it in the car
and that's it.

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And we took it from there.
When they heard it, they were

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playing it every day and they
called me.

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I said, man, we, we, we have to
put this out.

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And I was.
A little skeptical about it at

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first, but then I was like, you
know what?

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Let's see.
I had no idea TikTok would it

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would be on TikTok with 3.41
million.

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Wow, that sounds
congratulations.

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So, so, so people that just
joining us, you know, on the

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YouTube side of it, drop, drop
the name of that album again and

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which song you're talking about.
It's called Insecurity by Lamar

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Alexander from the album alone.
Right on and now all your

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products you can find on on
Apple Music, Spotify.

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Spotify.
YouTube every every place where

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you can get music, I'm there.
Cool.

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Yeah, I just went on to your
YouTube channel.

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I saw that.
I I didn't play it obviously

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because we're having a
conversation, but I saw the the

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animated video pop up right
away.

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Yeah, Vivo picked it up right
away.

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I didn't even know that either.
When I found out about it they

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called me and said Vivo just
picked up your video.

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Right now.
So your transition from the rap

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world to the rock world was rock
something you just wanted to

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try?
Is that where your heart's

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always lied?
Well.

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It it there's a story behind
that.

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When I was growing up, I was
influenced by guitars.

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Awesome.
Me too.

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At the first, first real sound
that got my attention was the

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guitar in Me Too, the Diana Ross
and The Supremes song, Someday

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We'll Be Together.
That part, I was listening to

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it.
I was a kid.

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I was like maybe 889 years old.
And I'm.

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Listening to it and it it, it
really mesmerized me.

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I mean, put a spell on me and I
was like, whatever that is, I

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love it and I want to play that.
And as I was growing as a

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teenager, the my first reaction
to guitars was in church.

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When I go to church and I see
the guy playing the guitar with

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Wawa that that influenced, I was
like, I got to play guitar your

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church.
Played but not at mine, yeah.

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Our churches didn't do that,
man.

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You went to the cool.
Church.

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Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, but my church was when
they was doing all this and I'm

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like, I was going to church to.
Church.

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I wasn't even paying attention
to the pastor.

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I'm dead center looking at the
guy played the guitar.

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I was like, Oh my God, that's
what I want to do.

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And and then as my brother, I
had, well it started with me

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being suspended from school and
there was an old beat up guitar

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in the closet during the winter
of me being suspended and I had

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to do a whole week with my dad
at his house.

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My parents were divorced and
that.

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Was your and that was and that
was your punishment.

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Stay with my dad, that was it.
And he was not nobody to play

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around with.
So he when he would leave to go

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to work, I'd be bored.
So I went in the closet and I

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don't know what I was in the
closet for, but I felt something

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behind all of the clothes.
And it was this old beat up

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guitar.
I said, you got to be kidding

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me.
And I took it and it, you know,

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I just went berserk over it had
no name.

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It was my uncle's guitar.
And so I, I used it as a

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project.
I re cleaned.

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It was it.
Was it acoustic or was it

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electric?
No, it was electric.

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And then I passed it up.
I smoothed it out, put stickers

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and stuff on it and it was no
good.

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Maybe 2 strings on it or
whatever.

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And I just started playing
whatever I could think of and,

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and it, you know, from that
point on I just did it every day

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and my dad would come home like
what is he in there doing?

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And he found out that I was
totally into the guitar.

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Yeah.
That's cool.

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And then you.
Know did he embrace?

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Did he embrace that in champion?
Yes, he did.

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He did fully develop me to a
point where he saw some interest

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he saw me have an interest in.
Music.

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My parents did that same thing.
They paid for my lessons, yeah.

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Yes, yeah, mine was a complete
opposite her.

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Her statement was, oh, you don't
need to get into that shitty

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world.
You don't need to play, you

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don't need to be one of those
people like.

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We had supportive parents in the
morning.

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Chris did not.
Yes.

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Yeah, like.
You don't want to get in that

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world, like, OK.
But but as I was going and now I

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have really found my sound, I
had the guitar cleaned up and

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the guy that the musician, the
music shop, he fixed it up, put

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the clean the pots, put new
strings on it.

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Now I had to learn it was 6
strings.

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So I'm like what do I do with
six strings?

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So what I did was I watched as a
kid.

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I was watching Midnight Special
and rock concert every Friday.

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How old are you?
How old are?

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How old are you?
At that time I think I was 11.

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How old are you?
How do you right now?

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You wouldn't believe it man, I
am 52.

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I'm 55, I'm 55, right?
I'll be 52.

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That's why I want to know,
because I remember that I

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remember those.
Yeah, we all watched the same

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thing growing up.
I watched it and I was like I

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had my guitar in my head and I
was watching everything that

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they were doing and I was
playing everything.

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I picked up everything,
especially on Midnight Special.

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Midnight Special was the best
because all the rock bands was

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was playing very few R&B and
funk bands.

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But I said I want to start a
band.

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So I got with my brother and my
best friend and he got his

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sister and the four of us
started a band and it was that's

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all they wanted to play was
funk.

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I was saying no, no, no, let's
play some some wild cherry and

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some let's do some other stuff.
Nobody wanted to play rock.

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So Rush and and and then Lizzy
and all of these bands, Van

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Halen and nobody wanted to play
they they all wanted to play

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funk and R and.
B And I was like, you should

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have, you should have called me.
And Mike, man, what's up?

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So I was like, all right, I'll,
I'll for, for now, I'll

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entertain you guys with learning
how to play everything, which

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was the, the rhythm section of,
of music from Parliament

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Funkadelic all the way to slide
and a family stone.

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I was picking up everything, but
my true heart belongs to rock.

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So I learned all the solos from
Led Zeppelin, Stairway in

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Heaven, Wild Cherry, guitar
solos, Rush.

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I did everything and then
everybody was looking at me.

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That's amazing.
But we can't do that stuff, you

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know?
We don't do that kind of music.

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I was like, yeah, but one day I
am going to do that kind of.

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So here's what I learned.
I was working at Guitar Center

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for a couple years, and that's
where, for me, the cultures

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started to mix, right.
I learned that people are

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people, so when the black guys
would come in, they would want

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to know what I knew just as much
as I would want to know what

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they knew.
About.

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So I wanted to know about Motown
and R&B and rap, and they wanted

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to know the guys who had your
interest, right?

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This is what fascinated me.
I'm like, man, people are

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people, you know?
People get pigeonholed by the

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media, right?
People listen to rap, white

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people listen to country or rock
and.

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Yeah.
That's weird.

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No, that's.
Not the way life is.

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So these guys would come in and
we'd start talking and they

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would be just as fascinated with
what I knew as I was with what

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they knew.
Just that's why I asked the

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question, where did your heart
lie?

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Because people would be
fascinated that you know, all

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along you like that sound of Van
Halen and ACDC and because you

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didn't and Rush because you
heard what we heard.

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It's not just straight ahead
rock.

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Van Halen is a swing.
ACDC is a swing.

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People don't realize till they
sit down to try and play it.

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It's like, wow, this is harder
than it looks, right?

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So.
Let me.

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Tell you this story, I walked
away.

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I did my last rap record with
Too Short and Jazzy Fate and I

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walked away.
I was completely done with rap.

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They asked me to promote it.
I don't even want to promote it.

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I'm like, you guys do whatever.
And then I got an offer.

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When I was with rap a lot, I had
another artist come to me and

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they everybody was throwing the
kitchen sink at me to come back

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to produce.
And I was like, Nope, I'm done.

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What I did was I gave them all
of my files of all of the rock.

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I mean the rap stuff, you can
have it, take it.

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I didn't even ask for no money,
Just take it.

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Wow, that's.
Crazy.

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Two days later I was stuck in
the house and I picked up my

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guitar and I started playing
cool.

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This true story.
And the song was a cheap trick.

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I want you to want me.
Dude, great band, great song,

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underrated.
So I started playing.

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I want you to want me.
I have my whole studio set up.

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I said what?
Let me record this and I

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recorded the vocals, the
guitars, the bass, the drums,

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everything.
I had everything.

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And I played the drums, I played
the bass and I had a whole

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complete song.
The next day I heard the full

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song and I couldn't believe it.
I was like, I got it.

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I can still do this.
I want to do rock.

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And because I did that Cheap
Trick song, I went in and I

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recorded all brand new rock
stuff and it and I didn't even

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be honest with you, I didn't
even have the proper guitar.

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I think I used the bass for some
rhythm sections of the guitar

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because I had the software to
change the bass into a guitar.

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Oh, that's brilliant.
And I, I just went berserk.

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So I knew then that I wanted to
go back to guitars because my

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last production in rap, I
influenced guitars in my rap

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production.
Oh, right on.

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I wanted to have some kind of
live guitars going on in my rap.

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And that's what those guys
wanted that were coming into

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guitars.
And that's why they were coming

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to me, because most of my stuff
was based on live, you know,

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music and instrumentation.
What year was?

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When I did that song.
Yeah.

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What year was this?
Lemone Lemone this.

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Was 2008 or 9, No 2009.
And I went into the studio the

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next day and I cut the song
called Life Goes On because I

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knew when I did the cheap trick,
I knew I could do my own music.

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So I wrote Life Goes On and I
played it for this other guy.

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And at the time I was seeing
this girl, she heard the song

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and she took the song.
She said, Lamoyne, this is this

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is a great song.
You need to you need to really

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do something with this.
And I was like, I'm just messing

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around with it.
She took it and gave it to a

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radio stage, wasn't even mixed
her anything.

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And they played it on the radio.
And when they called me, the

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radio station called me with
you're like, you know, this is

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beautiful.
We're going to have this song on

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regular rotation.
And I was like, Oh my God, can

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you not do that yet?
Let me go and mix it, have it

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properly done, and then I'll
send it to you.

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And so that's what I did.
I paid for the song to get mixed

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and everything.
And I sent it to them.

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And then they played it every
day.

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I said, OK, I'm putting the band
together.

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I put a band together and the
rest is history.

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Man, man.
It's been I've been making rock

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songs ever since.
And that was that.

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What's the band's name again?
Date of grace with an 8.

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Yep, St. 8 OK.
Yeah, State.

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And the last song I did with
them was a song called Chasing

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Tie.
OK well that's why when I hit

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State of grace on YouTube I
couldn't find you but now it's

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state St. 8 of Grace.
ST8, the number 8, that was my

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son's idea.
He was like, no, that put eight

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there and man, we toured
everywhere.

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We we opened up for a lot of big
bands against me, George

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Clinton, we did a lot of stuff.
I had no idea that the band

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especially Life Goes on, 15
minutes of fame.

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And I think there was one more
song the the the song we did

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with Queen and it was another
song.

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All four of those songs really
took us to new heights.

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But then, you know, once again,
I started like feeling like, you

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know, I'm doing too much because
I write, producing all the

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instruments.
And people got used to IT.

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People will get used to me just
doing everything.

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And I got to the point where I
can do this myself.

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I don't need a whole band no
more.

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And management was like, yo,
man, you need to stop hiding

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behind a band, man.
You need to just come out front.

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So I said, OK, I'm going to take
a chance.

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Yeah.
So I did and.

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He never and he never looked
back.

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I never looked back and here we
are today.

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As far as singing goes, is that
what you're saying, being a

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front man?
Yeah, they wanted me to be the

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front man.
To make that clear to the people

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that are listening.
The three of us are musicians.

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We've been doing this our whole
lives.

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We can talk our own language.
He's talking about, you know, I

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came out front and I became the
leader of the band.

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Yeah, and, and, and and remind
you, I was the leader of our

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funk band when we were kids and
we won all the state

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championship awards, even in
Chicago.

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You know, I had no idea that
once I got in front of an

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audience that they would tell
me, my band, my family,

451
00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:45,640
everybody would say you would
get possessed.

452
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,640
It's like you don't even know
what you're doing when you're.

453
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,480
I'm a completely different
person when I'm on stage. 100.

454
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,240
Percent, man.
Chris will attest to that.

455
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,760
I'm a pretty mellow guy out off
the stage.

456
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,600
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know what happened to

457
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,560
out there.
I'm really shy most of the time.

458
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:05,960
But yeah, man, I saw a tape of
what we perform especially like

459
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,120
even with now with some of the
shows that I've done and they're

460
00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:10,920
true, that they're telling the
truth.

461
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,800
I get possessed when I'm on
stage.

462
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,200
It's.
Like, I'm glad there's video

463
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,560
evidence because I've, you know,
he shared what he had left of,

464
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,240
you know, the shows that we
recorded and some of those

465
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,200
scenes I see.
I'm like, who is that guy?

466
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,560
Yeah, yeah.
But see man, see, I'm the I'm

467
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,440
the front man too, so I
understand.

468
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,280
So you know what I'm talking
about.

469
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,880
But you have.
To tell you my band.

470
00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:35,360
Yeah, my band, band in the
background would be like, it's

471
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:37,960
going to be interesting to see
what he's going to do tonight

472
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,160
because they never know what I'm
going to do.

473
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,600
No.
And see, my, my, my difference

474
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,400
was with when we would go live.
We got so comfortable with our

475
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,240
music because we rehearsed so
much that that they would follow

476
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,520
me going off my little improv
tangents.

477
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,480
When?
And back when we were when we

478
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,000
were doing it, nobody was
improving.

479
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,200
So I had this weird thing I did.
I called, I called spoken

480
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,600
singing.
When I would, there were there

481
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,480
were songs that I would kind of
speak sing to it.

482
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,960
But again, because of how we
wrote and everything and we were

483
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,720
so tight as a group, it didn't
matter where I went, they would

484
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,480
follow me.
So but you, you and I can attest

485
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,520
to the fact you have to engage
the crowd.

486
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,880
The the crowd has to go through
you before they go back to those

487
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,720
guys.
So if you're not doing your job,

488
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,640
it's not going to go past you
into the whole musicianship and

489
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,840
the whole product itself.
It falls flat.

490
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,440
Well, let me ask you, since you
know where you know where I am

491
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,160
because you do the same thing I
do.

492
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,320
One time I did a show and I
never forget this.

493
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,200
This was, it must have been like
1000 people out there and I

494
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,640
rehearsed with the band One
time.

495
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,840
Wow, never did that before.
I know I do not like that.

496
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,920
I like rehearsing Pastor Me
until I get on stage, but things

497
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,280
were so crazy I had to fly in
and the whole thing, so we did

498
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,480
the show.
And has this ever happened to

499
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,480
you when you're performing
because you're such a

500
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,360
perfectionist when you're on
stage?

501
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:07,400
I know how to reach my fans, but
the music behind me, I'm

502
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,840
listening to these guys and I
want them to play the song the

503
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,760
way I wrote the song, the way
the song should be.

504
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,760
And they they, I don't mind them
changing it and channeling it

505
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,320
into whatever they want it to
be, but it still has to sound

506
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,120
good.
Do you pay attention even while

507
00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:28,360
you're in the middle of a song
to what everybody's doing in the

508
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:30,480
background?
And you know, I've done that a

509
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,040
few times and I go.
You know.

510
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:34,920
What are they playing back
there, you know?

511
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,720
Yeah, I, I was blessed with the
fact when it with, with Nemesis

512
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,480
anyway, that that we were.
So we did because we did so much

513
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,560
rehearsing and so much writing
and whatnot that I would follow

514
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,840
stuff that Scott done the drums
for cues.

515
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,120
I would follow stuff that Rick
did on bass for cues and stuff

516
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:53,240
Mike did, especially coming in
out of solos and stuff.

517
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,480
So I would bring a lyric sheet
to Mike and say, here, this is

518
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,520
what I got.
OK, so I wrote a song called

519
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:00,800
Vision, right?
So I gave it to Mike.

520
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,920
Mike took the vision lyrics and
and the innate ability he and I

521
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,160
have.
He could take the emotional

522
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,840
content from my lyrics without
knowing what the content was and

523
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,680
and pairing it perfectly.
So it was just a dynamic that he

524
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,760
and I had.
So then I'm a good.

525
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,920
Chandler in the morning, right?
Right.

526
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,760
So he so we would recreate the
the basic melody from that and

527
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,160
then bring it to Scott and and
Rick in a practice.

528
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,160
And then Rick's bass would
change the dynamic of it.

529
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,960
Scott's drumming would change
the dynamic of it.

530
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,560
So then we certain parts of
every song we would do to where

531
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,400
I would come in after Scott hit
a certain beat on the drum, you

532
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,600
know, and it wasn't Even so much
the normal count stuff.

533
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,320
It was just different elements
from the from the verse to the

534
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:42,640
chorus verse.
To the bridge to the.

535
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,040
Chorus.
So I get what you're saying.

536
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:44,480
Yeah.
So.

537
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,640
Here's It doesn't throw you off
in the middle because you.

538
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,960
Know, here's a, here's a good
way to put it, Lemoy, not to

539
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,520
interrupt you, but this is going
to fascinate you as a songwriter

540
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,240
and a musician.
Basically what he's saying is

541
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,920
like Freeman is a 3 minute and
24 second song, right?

542
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,800
Yes.
We could turn that into a 9

543
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,720
minute song if we wanted to, and
all Scott would have to do is 1

544
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,960
quick little fill that would
trigger Chris's brain to go, OK,

545
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,560
we're going back into the song
now, right?

546
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,120
We had little magical things
built into our songs like that

547
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,600
so that we could either shorten
them, extend them, do whatever

548
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,040
we needed to do.
So like he was almost like the

549
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,840
general, you know, the, the he
was the point guard of the band,

550
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,080
right?
He's the man.

551
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,240
He's the one that he's the guy
with the stick in his hand doing

552
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,920
like this.
But we were blessed, and Chris

553
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,920
always gives everybody else
props for this, and so do I.

554
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,560
We were blessed that the three
of us look to him to be the

555
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,440
leader in that respect.
You know, it wasn't like nobody

556
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,880
had an ego in that band.
No, that's what it takes.

557
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,280
To have that, I think that's the
only way you can have a jam band

558
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,200
or improv, improvise on stage,
which we love to do, you know?

559
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,480
Yeah, I never had lead singer
disease.

560
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,680
Yes.
Me neither, me neither.

561
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:03,320
The only thing that that used to
irritate me.

562
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,640
Most of them especially.
Well, all the bands I played

563
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,600
with.
They all do like to what are we

564
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,600
going to do next, you know, and
I go, OK, you got you got you

565
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,880
guys got to, you know, evolve,
put more input in it.

566
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,320
So we could.
You know, vibe off of each

567
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,080
other.
Everybody looked for me for

568
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,440
answers all the time.
That's where Chris took over.

569
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,400
You know what?
Are we going to do next?

570
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,440
He would be like, let's just
fucking play, man.

571
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,160
I just, that was my answer.
Let's just fucking jam man, Who

572
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,040
cares what we?
Play.

573
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,960
Let's go.
That's usually the, the key

574
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,560
point, you know, just jamming.
Let's just have some fun.

575
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,200
And like I said, you know, this
new band that I'm working with,

576
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,280
I'm very, very, these guys are
pros, man.

577
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,520
They know exactly what to do,
how to do it.

578
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,080
And I don't even have pretty
much have to even play.

579
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,440
They play that well, you know,
and I could play with them or

580
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:57,600
not play and still feel the
drive from the songs and it

581
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,960
motivates me.
And that's all I was looking for

582
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:05,040
really, to jail with a good band
that I know that can help excel

583
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,960
and bring me out where I could,
you know, be more focused with

584
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,880
the fans and and the audience.
So here's a question for you

585
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,080
because you touched on this with
with your home studio and stuff

586
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,600
and playing every instrument
when you laid down the I want

587
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:19,880
you to want me from cheap Trick,
right?

588
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,760
So with every instrument you
play, you self-taught with

589
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,120
everything that you play.
Everything.

590
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,280
That was my question.
Thank.

591
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:29,520
You everything.
Everything.

592
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,440
I played live.
I played drums.

593
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,120
I played bass.
Yeah, I played guitar.

594
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,320
Yeah.
I play Congress.

595
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,520
Any type of percussions, OK, And
I do all the vocals.

596
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,520
I got a three-point octave range
voice.

597
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,000
I can go high, low and me.
Right on.

598
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,920
And and I write all of the
songs.

599
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,680
That's cool, man.
Very.

600
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,360
Piano.
Piano keyboards.

601
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,080
Piano too.
Piano.

602
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,920
I had to.
I taught myself how to play

603
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:59,560
piano for that started when I
started producing.

604
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:03,840
Rap.
That was the real the work

605
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,040
instrument because, you know,
everything was centered around

606
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,920
the piano, so I really had to
learn how to play that.

607
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,840
So here's the thing.
But here's here's I want to go

608
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,360
down the rap path because I've
never been a big rap fan.

609
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,160
Just not my thing.
So this may come across as a

610
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,640
completely ignorant question or
it may be something that's

611
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,560
completely enlightening.
So from a musical, from a music

612
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,840
standpoint, instrumentation
wise, what what what is

613
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,960
typically guitar?
Like you talked about bringing

614
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,280
guitars in the rap, right?
And and so you have are you

615
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,160
talking everything with a band
would have, because most of the

616
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,160
rap artists you see now when
they go on stage, right, they

617
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,160
have the tracks behind them.
They're just on stage by

618
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,120
themselves.
That's true.

619
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,760
You know, so you don't see the
musicianship part of it, right.

620
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,800
So you're, you're in the studio.
You mentioned Tupac, so I'm

621
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,200
assuming you did something with
Tupac.

622
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,200
I did.
I was getting ready to work with

623
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,120
Tupac before he died.
OK, cool.

624
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,600
OK, that's right.
So, so you're in the you're in

625
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,440
the you're in the studio with a,
with a rap, a rapper, a rap

626
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,760
artist.
What's what's the music behind

627
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,080
what they're doing?
Because all I hear from all I

628
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,320
hear in rap is is the.
Samples and scratches.

629
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:15,640
Right.
OK, what I usually do, I

630
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,400
incorporate.
The only thing I incorporate

631
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,440
that's live.
When I was doing towards the end

632
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:27,000
of my rap career, production was
mostly guitars, bass and some

633
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,640
drums.
But most of the drums was always

634
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,160
sampled in drum machine.
You know, most of the time.

635
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,280
I mean, maybe I would try
something different

636
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,120
occasionally, but most of the
time is drum machine.

637
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:42,840
OK.
So with the with the drum

638
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,880
machine is that is that because
then you don't have to worry

639
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,160
about the human element as far
as the timing goes Exactly and.

640
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,920
Rappers don't care about, you
know, live musician, they just

641
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,080
want to get the beat off so they
can do their rap over it.

642
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,400
So that was simple for me.
But being eclectic and being

643
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,480
different and trying to come up
with different styles, you know,

644
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,280
I didn't want to sound like
everybody else.

645
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,800
So I incorporated live bass
playing over the drum tracks.

646
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,360
Really.
Because it was live, you know,

647
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,880
and if there was a mistake
maybe, but you in my tracks, you

648
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,159
would never hear the same
repetitive bass line.

649
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,520
This is towards the end and when
I started, yes, I take a, a, a,

650
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,080
a mood bass or something and
sample, I mean recorded 4 beats

651
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,679
of it and copy and paste it.
So I'm done.

652
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:35,199
Then I said that's what
everybody else do, I want to do

653
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:37,360
something different.
So I started playing from the

654
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:43,080
top of the song to the end with
all these these notations that

655
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,679
would change the dynamic or the
baseline straight to the end.

656
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:49,239
And I like that.
So I said I can do the same

657
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,840
thing with guitars.
So I'd do a strum or Wawa or

658
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,040
something and they go, oh man,
that's too live.

659
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,560
Can you cut it up and not paint?
I would cut.

660
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,520
I would play live.
And cut.

661
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,200
And chop it up and put it in the
drum machine to make it sound

662
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,680
like it was simple.
But you're still getting that

663
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:08,960
human.
Element, right?

664
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,200
Yeah, it still has the human
element.

665
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,920
In it but yeah sometimes I would
sample myself and put it in a

666
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,960
drum machine so I can still have
that rap element and that's what

667
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,680
everybody like because I could
play every any instrument any

668
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,800
instrument so as a producer
you're.

669
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,760
Injecting these these musical
instruments into the song that

670
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,440
you're producing to make it
stand out even more than it's

671
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,320
already trying.
Because absolutely the rap music

672
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,800
industry is everything like rock
and you got to you got to have

673
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,080
something's got to stand out.
You got to have the hook.

674
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,360
Something's got to break you
because you know what?

675
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,280
1000 people want to be a rap
star, right?

676
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,240
So what's that one thing?
Is they're going to take you.

677
00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:45,840
Over the knot, over the top,
right?

678
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,600
So if you're making that much
fuller of a sound behind the rap

679
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,840
artist, I think that would give
them an edge when it came to

680
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,920
airplay and and popularity and,
and grabbing the hook and stuff,

681
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,760
right?
Yes, exactly.

682
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,080
Yeah.
And when I did.

683
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,880
That.
It was so different and unique.

684
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,360
They would pass it on and that's
how I got signed to rap a lot

685
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,200
because they would pass it on to
other rappers and yo man,

686
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,480
where'd you get that beat from?
And then it just just would just

687
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:18,160
spread and then go on.
I ran that label on one who ran

688
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:18,960
that label?
You were.

689
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,040
Signed to.
Who ran it?

690
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,800
Yeah.
Which?

691
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,720
I'm.
Assigned to multiple labels?

692
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:26,880
Which one?
The one that you just mentioned.

693
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,160
Rap a lot.
Rap a lot.

694
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,720
Yeah, I've heard.
That.

695
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:32,800
Name.
Yeah, Rap a lot is a.

696
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:36,480
Big name, a big record company.
Oh my God.

697
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,560
Oh.
My God, I'm just seeing them

698
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:42,240
last.
Night.

699
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:47,800
I forgot his name right now.
That's cool you.

700
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,840
Know he he's really.
Good He he knows how to pick

701
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:58,120
most of the the the rappers and,
and he pretty much called me and

702
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,200
asked me to.
We had a big meeting over the

703
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,440
last artist.
And this was during the time

704
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,840
when when I was getting ready to
to work with R Kelly's brother.

705
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,480
He was a rapper, you know, and.
We never.

706
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,880
Got around to doing he was
probably, I would say, my last

707
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,120
rapper that I was getting ready
to work with.

708
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,120
Never heard of R Kelly having a.
Brother who was going to be a

709
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,760
rapper?
Yeah, yes.

710
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,640
You and you never will.
But you know, the guy is

711
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,320
fantastic.
That's, you know, he can't shine

712
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,920
past his brother, but that's why
that's that's a.

713
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,040
That's a terrible shadow to
follow to.

714
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,720
It is because everybody.
Has a right to be their own

715
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:41,120
individual and that that's super
sad to me that, you know, one

716
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,400
person can ruin it that bad for
somebody else.

717
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,960
But you're right.
He did.

718
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,400
Yeah, well.
It's kind of like.

719
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,280
Yeah, it's kind of like Michael
Jordan's kids.

720
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,920
None of them play basketball
because how could you?

721
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,160
How could you live up to your
father?

722
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:54,760
Well, they all tried.
No, it's.

723
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,080
Impossible.
They they tried.

724
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,800
But they failed.
But it's it's just, I mean,

725
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,000
Lebron's kids can live up to
him.

726
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,080
They just got to flop better,
you know, But it's you just it's

727
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,000
hard to live up to somebody with
that magnitude.

728
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,440
Like Jacob Dylan is Bob Dylan's
kid.

729
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,120
He's he's good in his own right,
but he'll never reach the level

730
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,120
that Bob did.
You only, you know.

731
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,320
You only.
Get that?

732
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,440
Yeah, You talking about?
Dylan Bob Dylan's son from

733
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:20,960
Dylan.
Yeah, Wallflowers.

734
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:21,920
Yeah.
Wallflowers.

735
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,720
Yeah, The Wallflowers.
Yeah, like.

736
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,560
Like.
He's a great singer.

737
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,440
He is, absolutely.
But he'll never.

738
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,160
He's the son of Bob Dylan, so.
Right, right.

739
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,120
You just.
Never.

740
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,040
You can never aspire.
Like if Mick Jagger had a kid in

741
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,400
Rock'n'roll, yeah, it's not
happening.

742
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,720
And as he's got a kid, but he's
not in.

743
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:39,840
Rock'n'roll and as good as he
is.

744
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,640
Wolfgang Van Halen is in the
same light, right?

745
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,720
You're right.
We only get one Eddie Van Halen.

746
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,280
Yeah, yeah, and and.
And Wolf was named Wolfgang.

747
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,440
Yep, Wolfgang.
He's fantastic.

748
00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:53,400
He's fantastic.
Mammoth that's.

749
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:54,960
The name of Mammoth?
Yep, Mammoth.

750
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,120
Yeah, and.
He's and he and he owns his

751
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,440
space.
He owns and he's good at like I

752
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,440
didn't give him credibility when
they first came out because I,

753
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,520
like everybody else thought, oh,
riding the coattails of Eddie.

754
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,960
And then they opened up for one
of my favorite bands, Alter

755
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,680
Bridge, and I was blown away.
I was just, I was blown away by

756
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,960
his stage presence.
A nice band too.

757
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,480
Alter Bridge is fantastic man.
And the nicest, most humble,

758
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,160
down to earth guys you'll ever
meet in in at least I may just,

759
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,280
I just, you know, just amazing.
But the way he commanded the

760
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,360
stage and the presence that he
had and his engagement with the

761
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,320
crowd and I was just like, holy
shit.

762
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,960
He he's, he's carving his own
slot in this industry and he's

763
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,720
doing it without emulating his
father.

764
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:41,120
Now he had exactly.
And now that was one thing.

765
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,720
That impressed me.
I was like, he's doing it

766
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:47,000
without, you know, no help for
his dad or nothing, you know,

767
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,280
and he found his own sound and
everything.

768
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,400
I was very proud of him for
that.

769
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,000
Yeah.
Yeah, he had a couple moments.

770
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:56,160
Yeah, yeah, couple moments can't
get past their dads or or.

771
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:57,720
Anybody that's.
In the game.

772
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,840
You know you can't pass them.
And like he, he plays.

773
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,720
Every instrument that's also
impressive.

774
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:03,720
Yeah.
Yeah.

775
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:05,120
And he's self-taught.
Yep.

776
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:06,920
Yeah, he's self-taught and you
know.

777
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:08,920
His dad.
Helped him.

778
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,320
A little bit, he said his dad
was the worst teacher.

779
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,600
Ever though.
That's on.

780
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,000
Record, yeah.
His dad was.

781
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,600
The worst teacher?
Yeah, he said.

782
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,920
My dad's one of those.
Guys that can do it.

783
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,280
And yes, he's Eddie Van Halen.
But I'm telling you right now,

784
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,120
he's one of the worst teachers
ever because he can't slow

785
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,040
things down.
You know he only plays it at 1

786
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,560
speed, so you got to be able to
either keep up or.

787
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,440
Right.
And I.

788
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,360
Don't.
Take away from shredders I

789
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,160
think.
Shredders are that's that's cool

790
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,080
with them.
I shredders I can if I wanted

791
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,760
to, but so can I.
There's a.

792
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,960
Place for it?
Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm deep.

793
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,920
When I play my solos, my souls,
my solos are like spiritual.

794
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,160
Yep.
Yeah, I want to hear one note

795
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,320
that's gonna means something.
B.B.

796
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,760
King means B.B.
King means more to.

797
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:09,200
Me than Ingvae Malmstein, right?
Or Joe Satriani, Then you know

798
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,360
what I'm talking about.
I can.

799
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,360
Listen to BB play all.
Day long.

800
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,400
I can listen to Stevie Ray play
all day long because Stevie Ray

801
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,760
knew when to play fast.
But when he hit you with that

802
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,200
note that didn't belong there,
you're like, Oh my God, where'd

803
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,280
that come from?
You know?

804
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,200
And then he would.
Just hang on it like.

805
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:29,000
Why do you do that?
BBBB is.

806
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:34,280
Another one that taught me
resilience and and feelings when

807
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,160
you're playing.
My dad used to tell me listen to

808
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:37,760
B.B.
King and I was like, I don't,

809
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,200
he's a Blues guy.
I don't want to hear him.

810
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,600
I heard him.
The thrill is gone.

811
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:43,600
Yep, Yep.
What's?

812
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,680
The.
Space in between.

813
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,800
Right.
Oh my God, I was for that right.

814
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,120
Spot.
I was like, OK, I'll see.

815
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:56,800
What they talk about, yes.
I was very impressed.

816
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,840
The one thing I studied him too.
The one the one thing I was.

817
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,400
Going to mention earlier when I
had when I was at the the Ultra

818
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,920
Bridge show with Wolfgang Van
Halen, he only, he only did the

819
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,400
the Eddie Picken thing once in
the whole show.

820
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,800
Oh the tap fret board tapping.
Only once.

821
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,480
Only once.
Yeah, only one time.

822
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,000
Yeah, only one.
Time and so that I thought was

823
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,160
cool too, because he he really
wasn't trying to be his father

824
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,000
no, he was just.
Wanting to be himself.

825
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,720
Which is cool.
Man it is man so.

826
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:31,240
Let's let's dive more into your.
Your life resume Lemoyne I want

827
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:39,400
to know I want to know how old
were you when you first got to

828
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:40,560
the.
Level to where you.

829
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,520
Were being paid significantly
for for either performing or

830
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,200
producing and what did that look
like?

831
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,720
Was that the rap world?
Yeah, it started in a rap.

832
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:54,320
Row and by the way, the the guy
the the president of rap a lot

833
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,360
is Jay Prince.
That's his name.

834
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:57,840
What up?
What up, Jay Prince?

835
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:06,240
Shout out, yeah.
My my career started picked up I

836
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:11,280
to be honest with you, yeah, I
was doing plays, doing music and

837
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,680
plays OK and.
After.

838
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:20,160
A little bit a little bit of
time I spent in that after my

839
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,880
family, my brothers, cuz I did a
band with my brothers called

840
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,520
Generation.
And then we get another band

841
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:31,760
after that going into the 80s
called The Fascination, and we

842
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:37,320
score maybe about three hits,
like literal record company hits

843
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:42,280
and everything.
And then I got out of it and

844
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,960
then I started producing with
some of the guys that was in the

845
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,000
band, and that's how we started
producing.

846
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,560
Oh, gotcha.
You know, my first real job came

847
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:57,040
when I was in college, Davenport
College at the time, and I got a

848
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,360
phone.
Call and.

849
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:03,360
They said that, you know, they
wanted me to come to Chicago and

850
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,960
I was like, for what?
You know, I was like, man, we

851
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,600
need you here.
And, and I was like, you know, I

852
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:13,320
spoke to them and little that I
knew, it was Mr. Lee and they

853
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,480
wanted me to work with R Kelly
and R.

854
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,000
Kelly needs a team of.
Producers and some positions.

855
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,000
And so I said, OK, So I packed
my bags and I moved to Chicago

856
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,560
and I went to work with R Kelly
at the time.

857
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,280
And two years I spent learning
how to program and make beats

858
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,800
and all of that because like I
said, I come from a musician's

859
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,120
background where everything was
live.

860
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:45,440
So I had to learn how to contain
all of that in machines and.

861
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,920
Being around.
These guys, they taught me how

862
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,880
to do all of that and I said,
well, I got to be different than

863
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,760
what everybody else is doing.
So I spent days and nights

864
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,360
trying to perfect my craft all
the time.

865
00:44:58,680 --> 00:44:59,880
And that's.
When I started.

866
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:04,680
Getting paid working for R Kelly
and then it went from there

867
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,800
because I left R Kelly and I
started working for Michael

868
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:13,200
Bivens from.
Yeah, and his company, same.

869
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,160
Thing I spent a year with him
doing the same thing, you know,

870
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:20,080
making beats for his artist.
Then I left Bivens and went to

871
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,680
Motown, same thing a year with
them.

872
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,400
Then it just spiraled into other
things with with, you know, I

873
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:32,160
work with McMillan, who was
manager managing Prince and

874
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,360
Stevie Wonder at the time.
And.

875
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,520
You know, we formed this
connection and then I started

876
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,400
working with him for like two or
three years and he brought me a

877
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,200
lot of clients.
And that's why I said this was

878
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,520
during the time where I was
literally about to work with

879
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,000
Notorious BIG before he got
killed.

880
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,600
And.
And faith and Faith Evans and

881
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,280
doing all these beats, you know,
I just learned how to do my

882
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:05,040
craft where everybody was coming
to me based on, on, you know, my

883
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,200
experience.
And then from there I started

884
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,840
making all this money doing all
of this just producing stuff.

885
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:19,240
And, and then I got an offer to
from working with another artist

886
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,520
that took me to rap a lot.
And at that time when I started

887
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,400
working for rap a lot, I did a
like a 10 year contract with

888
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,080
them.
Didn't know it, but I did a 10

889
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,640
year contract with them.
And it during the process of

890
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,840
that, you know, things started
drifting and slowing.

891
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:40,320
So I started spreading my music
around working with Murder Inc.

892
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:46,480
During the time I did something
with Murder Inc, RCA and I met a

893
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:51,600
Tron, which was Tupac's the
manager, and we were talking

894
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,480
about doing some stuff for
Tupac, but then he got killed

895
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,320
right after that.
So, you know, the whole rap game

896
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,040
just was just gave me a bad
feeling.

897
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,400
You know the.
Longevity.

898
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,400
Of it, the safeness of it, it's
just I didn't feel comfortable

899
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,480
doing it no more.
The bigger that I.

900
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:15,520
The bigger I got in producing
and making beats, the less I

901
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,560
wanted to do it.
Wow, interesting.

902
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,920
Yeah, the less I wanted to.
Do it, You know, I'm not going

903
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,880
to lie.
It made me a lot of money, lots

904
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,280
of money.
I was able to buy stuff and do

905
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,080
stuff for my families and
everything.

906
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:34,240
But the IT just just, I just, I
just didn't like it.

907
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:37,320
Yeah, I just, you know it.
Just wasn't.

908
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,720
For me and then people.
Go ahead.

909
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:43,760
I should say when so.
When you turn on the radio.

910
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,520
When you turn on SiriusXM,
whatever you choose to to listen

911
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,400
to music, how often do you hear
samples of your stuff in the

912
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,640
music room?
Yeah, that's the beauty of it.

913
00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:56,120
You know, I could go back
YouTube and I could go back and

914
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,920
listen to a lot of stuff that I
produce and it makes me feel

915
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,400
good, you know?
Right.

916
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,560
Yeah, and I still get checks for
it today.

917
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,720
And it's not as big as it was.
Back then, but I still but

918
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,600
still, you know, but still.
Yeah, let me ask you this,

919
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,720
Lemoyne.
The behind the scenes for me,

920
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:18,880
the fascination.
I was like a little kid at

921
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,040
Christmas the first time I saw a
recording studio.

922
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,520
Just all the lights and the, you
know, like the little kid in me

923
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,000
came out, all the knobs and the
like.

924
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,480
I got it Is that you know what?
I know that feeling.

925
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:30,400
What?
You're talking about.

926
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:31,800
Is that what made you want to do
it?

927
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,120
Because I think you either have
it or you don't, right?

928
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:35,280
Yes.
OK.

929
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:36,800
I don't know, You know when
they.

930
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,000
They talk about you got that it
thing.

931
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:42,680
Yes, that's what people.
Used to say to me.

932
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,440
You got that it thing and I go
what the fuck is that?

933
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:46,760
It.
Yeah.

934
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,240
What is the?
It I just like making music, you

935
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:52,680
know, but.
And I don't know, I kind of, I

936
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:58,680
kind of like measured it as like
the IT thing being maybe you

937
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,800
would dedicate your entire life
to it and you don't give a shit

938
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,560
about nothing else but that.
Yeah, right.

939
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,440
That's how I.
Put it you know I.

940
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:07,840
Don't know?
Well, like Chris.

941
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:10,000
Chris.
Gave me a huge compliment

942
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,680
earlier today.
You know that I have my own

943
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:17,320
style and I'm super proud of
that because I I can't play a

944
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,600
bunch of cover songs, right?
That wasn't my thing.

945
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,600
I wanted to figure out what the
guitar meant to me.

946
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,320
You said it earlier,
spiritually, that's what, that's

947
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,120
what made me understand what my
place here on earth was, right

948
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,120
When I learned how to do that
and make people happy doing it,

949
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,720
I'm like, well, that's cool.
You know this must be my thing.

950
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,800
You know this is beautiful.
That we're doing this guitar

951
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,800
talk.
You guys make it When I start on

952
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,440
my when I start my next album, I
want you guys on my album.

953
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,160
We want to stay.
In connection with each other.

954
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,960
Because I want to hear this, I
got to hear you guys play.

955
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,280
I want to talk beats with you.
Because that's the part I suck

956
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,480
at.
So this is beautiful for me,

957
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,160
too.
Yeah, I tell you, Lemoyne, he's

958
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:01,520
been.
Harpering on me forever to get

959
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,360
musicians on the show.
I'm like, dude, I'm trying, I'm

960
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,920
trying, I'm trying.
So when when she reached out to

961
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,800
us, it was just like, yes, right
on.

962
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,880
And then such a spiritual
connection before.

963
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,080
We ever met, man?
Yeah.

964
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,720
Because it's it's.
All we're all old.

965
00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:16,400
You got to be for what?
For what we always wanted to do

966
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,400
and you're still doing it, which
kudos to you.

967
00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:23,840
Your soul has to be so old.
You have to have roots that that

968
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,480
just ground you to be.
That's true because you want.

969
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,240
Because.
We all know this and, and the

970
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:33,520
lead singers for sure.
We're walking on stage in front

971
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,640
of people that don't know us.
Yes, we're walking.

972
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:37,960
Without crowd.
Right.

973
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,320
And the crowd has to like with
the arrogance to think that.

974
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,880
We belong there, right?
Yes, Without.

975
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,640
Without.
Without being an arrogant,

976
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,240
narcissistic ass hat.
That's the key, right?

977
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:50,120
Because.
Then you don't.

978
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:53,160
You know you don't.
I don't think I think with.

979
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:57,920
Lead singers, they'll never get
past that, but it's rare to get

980
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,200
one that.
Doesn't have lead singer

981
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,520
disease, which I was lucky Chris
never.

982
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,720
Made us feel like this is my
band and without us we're not.

983
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:11,600
I agree with you on that.
And even with my band now, you

984
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,120
know, even when we play, I
always said, hey, look, I'm, you

985
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,680
know, we're banned.
Let's all work together as a

986
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,280
team.
I'm not that guy.

987
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,000
Look, you do it this way or
you're going to get fired or no,

988
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,920
I don't do all that.
I never done.

989
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:25,720
But here's the purpose.
But.

990
00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:27,240
Here's where.
I'll give my drummer.

991
00:51:27,240 --> 00:51:29,160
And I credit we founded that
band.

992
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,760
Chris joined shortly after we
founded the band.

993
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,840
We were smart enough to know
what people related to, right?

994
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,600
They related to him because he
was the one that they heard from

995
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,040
first.
Hey, it's Friday night at the

996
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,120
Mason Jar in Phoenix, AZ.
How we doing?

997
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,280
Right.
That's that's it.

998
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,760
That's what they saw.
So everybody gravitates towards

999
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,480
the singer.
We, we as musicians, allowed him

1000
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,920
the opportunity and the
affordability to do his job

1001
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,480
without thinking he was trying
to be an egomaniac.

1002
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:00,560
Right.
Right.

1003
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,840
He was a huge personality on
stage every night.

1004
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,440
He just was.
Yeah.

1005
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,760
But then in everyday life.
You just, you know, I'm just a

1006
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,120
social butterfly.
But I had the, I had the

1007
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:14,320
presence on stage, the Iron Dog,
and we'll explain that some

1008
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,200
other time.
But that was my persona.

1009
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,080
That was my persona on.
Stage I mean.

1010
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,880
You know, I there's one side of
the Mason jar where I reached up

1011
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,520
and grabbed the light trust and
was swinging on it and and I

1012
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,720
looked down at Mike and Mike
looks over at the whatever guy

1013
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:28,400
over there and then he's like,
get off of that.

1014
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:32,360
I'm like, my bad, but you know,
get off of that.

1015
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,040
It was just.
But that was The thing is.

1016
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,160
Like you step on stage, you have
to.

1017
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,200
It's like kind of like a hell.
It's like a possession, man.

1018
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:41,280
I don't know.
It's just you got to turn it on.

1019
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:42,720
You got to be able to.
Yeah, yeah.

1020
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:45,360
It just turns on once you once
you whatever you do.

1021
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,480
Like I sell houses so when my
phone rings, I can turn on the

1022
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,040
real estate guy like that.
No matter what my day is like, I

1023
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,000
go, hey, there's some real
estate guy, you know.

1024
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,160
Good afternoon.
But so, so it's the same concept

1025
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:57,800
with what you, what we do as
musicians.

1026
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,240
You walk on that stage, that's
it.

1027
00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:02,520
This is the moment in time.
You only have one chance to be

1028
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,880
in front of this group of people
at this point in time in life.

1029
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,600
And you either knock it out of
the ballpark or you fall flat on

1030
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,000
your ass.
And that's going to determine

1031
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,040
your trajectory for the next
show you do.

1032
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,240
Yep, that's true.
That's true.

1033
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:15,640
The guy that taught me to.
Play.

1034
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,080
Guitar Lemoyne.
He kind of said exactly what

1035
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,680
Chris said when he was teaching
me to be a lead guitar player.

1036
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,680
He says Eddie Van Halen
described it best.

1037
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:26,240
It's like falling down the
stairs.

1038
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,160
You know there's no real right
or wrong way to do it as long as

1039
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,360
you land on your feet when it's
over, right there you go.

1040
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:34,680
That's a great.
Analysis.

1041
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,800
I like that.
And the next time you listen to

1042
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,000
a van?
Halen Solo.

1043
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,640
You'll listen to it in a
different light.

1044
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,400
I did.
Ever since I've heard him say

1045
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,520
that.
Yeah, you write about that.

1046
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,680
That's a good way of doing.
That, I mean, I never really

1047
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:50,320
analyzed it like that in my
head, but that's, that's the

1048
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,000
other famous quote that he's
got.

1049
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,960
That always stuck with me in my
head as a player when I was told

1050
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:56,760
I was doing something right or
wrong.

1051
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,600
Either way, I'm like, you know
Eddie said it best.

1052
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,000
You got 8 notes.
Actually, you have 7 notes in

1053
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,480
the octave, right?
So you have 8 notes.

1054
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,040
How you mix them up is your
business.

1055
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,360
There are no right if.
It sounds good if.

1056
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,920
It sounds good, It is good that
always.

1057
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,720
Stuck with me that is.
All true.

1058
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:19,880
This is this is one of these
most different interviews I've

1059
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,000
ever done and you know I like
talking with the musicians man

1060
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:27,040
so just to let you know if you
guys need me to do a show, I

1061
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,880
would love to come out and do a
show with you guys man we'll.

1062
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,360
See, here's the fun thing.
I'm in Arizona.

1063
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,560
Mike's in Illinois, yeah.
Yeah, where are you?

1064
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,520
At I'm in Illinois, right?
Now I was just in Arizona.

1065
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,000
I got to go back again.
When you come to Arizona, reach

1066
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:43,560
out man.
We'll go to.

1067
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,240
Dinner or something?
You got it.

1068
00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:47,600
That's exactly what I'll.
Do Where are you at in Illinois,

1069
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,440
Lemoy?
I'm in.

1070
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,680
The South Side of Chicago.
Oh man.

1071
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,120
So yeah.
So we're like. 2.

1072
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,520
And a half hours apart.
I'm in Pontiac, if you know.

1073
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,280
Oh, yeah, I know what that is.
Yeah, I know.

1074
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,800
Exactly what it is we're world
famous for our prison.

1075
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,360
Wow.
That's about all we got going

1076
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:10,080
on.
Here.

1077
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,160
It's all right.
A lot of cornfields.

1078
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:15,680
Yeah.
That's why I'm.

1079
00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:20,280
I'm trying to figure out some of
these these these.

1080
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,640
Conventions and.
Some of these outdoor

1081
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,400
performances and stuff that they
have in Chicago, you know, I

1082
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,760
just got here so you know, I'm
trying to jump on wherever they

1083
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,840
want me to play it.
So that's where they trying to

1084
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,960
figure out now where they going
to place me.

1085
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:36,920
That's cool, man.
So what do you, what do you,

1086
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,960
what's, what's your world look
like right now as far as you're

1087
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:41,560
working?
You're working with a new band,

1088
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:42,920
you said.
Is it still state of grace?

1089
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:44,720
No, no, no.
It's just.

1090
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:49,360
The one Alexander OK and I have
a backup band now and I.

1091
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,360
Just finished the album too so.
OK, so when's that album drop?

1092
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,840
We just.
Found out the new single drops

1093
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,840
on July 6th and the album
follows it.

1094
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,680
So maybe about a week after the
single comes out, the album

1095
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,880
comes out.
So it's all in July.

1096
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:04,880
OK.
Are you doing?

1097
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,680
This on your own now.
Self production, self

1098
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:09,040
distribution, every single.
The first album was.

1099
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,280
All Me.
The second album was All Me and

1100
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,440
the third album was All What's
this Album called In the

1101
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:14,880
Morning?
Alone.

1102
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:16,680
Alone.
Alone, yeah.

1103
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:18,560
Limon.
Alexander alone and is it?

1104
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,880
Is it so?
Did you create your own label?

1105
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,800
No, no, this.
Is the company is called Wicked

1106
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:24,920
Entertainment.
Oh, that's right.

1107
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:26,160
OK, so Wicked Entertainment is
a.

1108
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:30,040
Label and the distribution, yes.
As a matter of fact.

1109
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,920
We're we're dealing with some
new distributors right now as we

1110
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:33,960
speak.
Cool.

1111
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,320
So for the people that under.
Don't understand the whole

1112
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,360
concept of of music distribution
and stuff.

1113
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,480
Give us a little insight of the
struggles with that now versus

1114
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,120
20 years ago, oh, 20 years ago
it.

1115
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,400
Was totally different.
Thank you.

1116
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,200
Thank.
You, Mike, it's nothing like it

1117
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,080
is.
Please kind of break that down.

1118
00:56:51,240 --> 00:56:55,240
When you got into the business,
how you got paid and what your

1119
00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:57,600
life was like and now what your
life is like.

1120
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,320
That's a great question, Chris.
OK.

1121
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,520
That's, that's a good question.
And I'll try to be as persistent

1122
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,240
with this.
In short, yeah, that's cool.

1123
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,200
We got all the time in.
The world, man, you're fine when

1124
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,440
you're when.
You're a producer, artist during

1125
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,360
the good days, OK, They give you
a budget.

1126
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:20,880
Yeah, sometimes those budgets
could, could, could be ranging

1127
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:27,560
from 200,000 to 9 to 1,000,000,
right, Right now out of those

1128
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:31,280
budgets you get.
The you have to pay for.

1129
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,560
The studio, those budgets, you
know, they, you have to pay for

1130
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,280
studio, you have to pay for
videos they're charging you, but

1131
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,720
for everything that they give
you, including your advance

1132
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,840
money.
Sometimes they don't charge you

1133
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,440
for the advance money, but at
some point, you know, you got to

1134
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,200
pay it back.
It's not much different you're

1135
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:50,880
going to.
A bank and getting a loan

1136
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,040
correct?
Exactly.

1137
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:56,480
Pretty much.
So with all the the money that

1138
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:01,040
they've given you on top, they
have to use their own money to

1139
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:05,160
promote you, right And.
That's a whole different.

1140
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:10,320
Budget so you look at what
you're worth is from your album

1141
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,520
sales.
Back then, OK.

1142
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:15,880
Right now, when you.
Your.

1143
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,240
Album sales are growing and
growing and growing.

1144
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,400
They're going to make their
money back, yes.

1145
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,840
Now you're the writer.
You're going to make the money.

1146
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:28,200
If you're right, you're also a
publisher publishing your music,

1147
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:32,120
which no label is going to let
you completely take full

1148
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:33,920
publishing.
They got to split it with you.

1149
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:39,160
You're going to get paid.
Now most people, producers as

1150
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:43,720
producers, they're getting paid
behind because they're making

1151
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:48,240
the songs, the artist.
If if, if you get an artist and

1152
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:53,200
they're making that, they're
really pretty much singing what

1153
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,280
you make them sing and what you
write for them.

1154
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,280
They're not getting paid.
The only time they get paid is

1155
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,080
when they go on the road to
perform the song, right.

1156
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,480
So let's break it.
Let's.

1157
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:04,480
Break it down like this real
quick.

1158
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,680
You got a dollar, you make a
dollar, and out of that dollar

1159
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:12,160
the label gets how much?
The label.

1160
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:17,800
Gets honestly out of that dollar
about $0.75.

1161
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,560
OK, so you have 1/4 left and out
of.

1162
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,920
That quarter left, you're paying
the writer, you have to pay the

1163
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,800
rider, so.
By the time you get paid, you

1164
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,680
probably got about $0.10, right?
So out of $0.25.

1165
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,000
Leftover from that dollar which
which is I've I've lived that

1166
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,800
with when we when you when
council was signed with this is

1167
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,080
a band after Mike and I signed
with Universal Records a little

1168
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,440
subsidy platinum plus records.
There was never seen a dime

1169
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:46,960
because they just they.
Take it all right, Snoop Dogg.

1170
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:48,960
Snoop Dogg came out right,
right.

1171
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,920
And Snoop Dogg came out recently
not to interject that he had,

1172
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,960
what was it, a billion
downloads, Mike, not too long

1173
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,320
ago?
And he made like $40,000.

1174
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:00,680
She's like, where's my $34,000?
On 1 billion downloads, yeah,

1175
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,160
yeah.
And that's what I want, people.

1176
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,720
To understand so that's the
dollar breakdown so that's the

1177
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,360
dollar breakdown so continue on
your path of educating the world

1178
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,240
lamoine ohh man let me tell you
something the.

1179
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,760
Biggest the biggest RIP off to
me.

1180
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,400
He's just explained the good
days.

1181
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:16,320
Right.
Yeah.

1182
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:20,600
The good days was.
If if for a producer, he can

1183
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,160
make a lot of money, a producer
is he's the one that's going to

1184
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,160
always make money, right, right.
Because he's the one that's

1185
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,040
behind the scenes making the
music, making everything happy,

1186
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:30,440
right?
Artists.

1187
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:35,360
No, no, but today, now we're
talking Spotify and all these

1188
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,680
other outlets where Spotify came
from.

1189
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,640
I don't even know.
All I know was they they just

1190
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:48,600
decided to form a company to
take artists and exploit them

1191
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,840
and get paid off of them.
Did Lars not try and warn?

1192
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,760
Us about this during the
yesterday's yes he did can.

1193
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,280
You explain a little bit about
that real quick for the.

1194
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:01,920
People who still hate Lars.
Yes, Lars, he to me, he's my

1195
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:06,760
hero because, you know, he, he
did a lot to, to teach us.

1196
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,280
Yeah, that.
You know that's not.

1197
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:10,960
Fair.
They're ripping us all.

1198
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,000
People work hard to make the
music.

1199
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,640
Nobody listens.
This is how you support your

1200
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,280
family, right?
Yes, this is how we.

1201
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:23,080
Support our family.
A prime example, the Queen

1202
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:27,800
record, that was the one I was
telling you where we got about 2

1203
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:32,520
million on Spotify, 2 million.
I think it's 2 million instant

1204
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,080
change or whatever.
Yeah, which is the got a check.

1205
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,480
Literally.
The check came back for $600.00.

1206
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:44,640
Yeah, 2 million.
Plays yeah 600 dollars $600.00

1207
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,760
now back now.
Now back in now.

1208
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,360
Back in the day when you
started.

1209
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,360
Now, back in the day 2.
Million sold a record.

1210
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,720
Double.
If you got, if you sold 2

1211
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:58,160
million records, you got damn
near $1,000,000, right?

1212
01:01:58,800 --> 01:01:59,920
That's the difference.
Right.

1213
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:01,920
See, that's what I want people
to understand the difference

1214
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,720
between now and then and what
Napster did to the culture of

1215
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,040
music.
Because when when when we got

1216
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,640
signed with Universal, it was on
that on that cusp.

1217
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,040
Everything was was going away
from the label backing up.

1218
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,680
And it was, it was jumping into
the whole online Spotify,

1219
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:21,160
Napster, Apple Music, because it
was 2008 when that was released.

1220
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,920
So and it wasn't it again, it
was the last band I was in.

1221
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,480
It wasn't Mike and I cuz you
know, Mike and I is the best

1222
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,880
band I've ever been in.
But I could tell by just the

1223
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:33,720
label itself.
They were just they were just in

1224
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,040
it for this.
They could give a fuck about the

1225
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,000
no they.
Could like the people.

1226
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,760
Behind the scenes, the producer
we had Tony Miglioria producer,

1227
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,760
which is claimed to fame was he
plays the the piano and keyboard

1228
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:49,280
on Bye Bye Miss American Pie,
Don McLean, It says keyboard

1229
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,160
pianist, right?
Robert Metzger, the guy that was

1230
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,000
behind the label was tied to
Elvis in some way, shape and

1231
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,720
form, but he was just a he was a
shoe salesman piece of shit.

1232
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:01,160
Like just, I mean, you know,
used car sales.

1233
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,400
I'm just like, you could just
tell, right.

1234
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:08,000
And, and so I don't I don't.
The experience was great.

1235
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,440
You know, I, I was, I recorded
in, in Gravity Studios in, in

1236
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,480
Nashville, which is the only
part of the studio that was

1237
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,080
something that, you know, not
many people can say we were in,

1238
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:20,560
in, in, oh, there's not a
Brentwood Nashville or

1239
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,560
Brentwood, TN Alan Jackson and
George, George, George.

1240
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,040
Was it George Strait or Yeah, I
think George Strait's studio

1241
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,440
over there.
Chelsea Music, Chelsea Music

1242
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,360
Group, right.
I mean, it was the things we did

1243
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:35,920
were cool.
And the experience was great.

1244
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,760
You know, and and I'll never
regret doing that stuff, but it

1245
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:41,680
was gave me insight to the
bullshit.

1246
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,320
So I like how you just, that's
why I asked that question,

1247
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,040
because you just kind of nailed
a hammer on the head, right?

1248
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,560
20 years ago, you sell 2 million
records, you're making

1249
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,240
$1,000,000.
Yeah, you're making a million.

1250
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,120
Dollars to you said it best
Yeah, you said it best.

1251
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,400
If you pay attention to what he
said, he he's like how the hell

1252
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,240
can we make a living?
Yeah.

1253
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:05,280
When companies like Spotify and
all these other streaming

1254
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,720
services take our music.
Yeah.

1255
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,320
And they get paid.
Yeah.

1256
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:13,520
And give us this much in sale,
they're making 12.

1257
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:18,520
Dollars a month off 200 million
subscribers.

1258
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,680
Yeah, that's insane.
And taking the royalties.

1259
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:23,160
Do the math.
Yeah.

1260
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,320
And taking the.
Artist Royalties.

1261
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,720
That's a huge point now, now for
me, Limone.

1262
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,960
OK, I'm the guy that I buy the
entire album on Apple Music.

1263
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:32,960
I don't buy single songs on
Spotify.

1264
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,960
If you're on Apple Music, I'll
go download your entire album.

1265
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:38,640
Yes, it is.
It's our Apple.

1266
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,800
Right, because to me that.
I don't I don't know how much of

1267
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:45,360
that you get from that, but I'd
rather do that than subscribe

1268
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:50,200
and just be able to listen for
free because I know how hard it

1269
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,200
is right Music yes, I think
that's beautiful.

1270
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,000
Thank.
You for, for that, you know, you

1271
01:04:55,000 --> 01:05:00,040
go, you go to iTunes.
To me, it's like a record store

1272
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,080
to me, Yeah, exactly.
You know, and that's what.

1273
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:08,000
We used to me and you and and
Mike, we were influenced by

1274
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,360
going to the record store.
We hear what we hear.

1275
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,280
We like it, we pay for it, and
we leave.

1276
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:14,520
Take it home.
Yep, Tower.

1277
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:16,880
Records, man.
Well, since we're the same age,

1278
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:18,480
let me.
Tell you a funny story about the

1279
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,400
record store.
I went there one day and I'm

1280
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,120
leafing through the records and
I'm like, look at that.

1281
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,600
This is the coolest.
This is going to be the coolest

1282
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,360
heavy metal band I've ever seen
in my life.

1283
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:29,520
Look, I've heard this.
Story.

1284
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:33,280
That's where it lasts.
Artwork that's so cool I get it

1285
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,640
home in the first time.
I used to love it.

1286
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:37,880
You can.
Listen to the music, touch it,

1287
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:39,400
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold
on.

1288
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,240
Lemon, you gotta listen to this
punchline here.

1289
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:42,800
I get home and it's Molly
Hatchet.

1290
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,600
So the first.
Song I hear is flirting with.

1291
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,840
Disaster.
I'm like, this isn't heavy metal

1292
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:52,440
at all, but I love it.
So that that was one of my

1293
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,240
introductions into Southern rock
was I thought I was buying a

1294
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:58,520
heavy metal album because they
had the coolest artwork, man.

1295
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,400
And that's the other thing.
Think about.

1296
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:05,240
It not think about it.
Back in our day when you bought

1297
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:08,640
a record, first of all, you
could buy a whole album for

1298
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:12,040
seven or 8 bucks under $10.
Oh yeah, absolutely you can.

1299
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:13,400
Open it up.
You can.

1300
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,680
See your favorite artist, you
can read the credits, you can

1301
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,320
see the pictures, and I love all
that stuff.

1302
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:20,600
Yeah.
You can read the lyrics, what do

1303
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,080
you get?
Now what do you get?

1304
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,880
Now when you buy now, not a damn
thing man, you get.

1305
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:26,880
Something I'm changing that.
Let me tell you.

1306
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:28,920
What I'm doing Cool.
Prime example.

1307
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:30,720
I'm going to show you something.
OK, right on.

1308
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:33,760
Lemoyne.
Alexander, ladies and gentlemen.

1309
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:37,120
Lemoyne Alexander.
Yeah, this is something new.

1310
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,000
OK.
This is.

1311
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:40,720
My album.
Oh.

1312
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:42,800
Right on.
It's a guitar, dude.

1313
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,640
That is bad ass.
You open this up.

1314
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,640
Put it in your computer.
You're going to see the credits,

1315
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,800
you're going to see the photos,
you're going to get the album,

1316
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,840
you're going to get rarities,
you're going to get everything

1317
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,520
on this right here.
So if you want to download an

1318
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:03,000
album cover, you can get it from
here.

1319
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,520
Put it right on your screen.
You can, you can.

1320
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:08,120
It's got a it's got a little
device in here where you can

1321
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:11,440
make posters and and go get
posters made.

1322
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,600
Dude, I love that that's.
Fantastic Lemoyne this.

1323
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,360
This is going to be my new
album.

1324
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,720
Just like this when it comes
out, buying it right like that,

1325
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:22,360
that's awesome.
I got to have one that that's

1326
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:23,800
legit, man, that is.
Brilliant.

1327
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,120
That is absolutely brilliant.
My management came up with that

1328
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:28,520
it.
Was like, look, we going back to

1329
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:31,720
the old school, but the old
school you even you can, there's

1330
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,840
ways you can even get vinyl from
here, really.

1331
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:39,000
It's got so much information.
In here for you to get

1332
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:42,640
everything you need just like it
was when we can go to the record

1333
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,000
store and buy all of it.
It's got the credits,

1334
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:49,880
photographs, rarities, and you
want vinyl, you can.

1335
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:53,680
You can order vinyl in here.
Videos, you even get videos in

1336
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,320
here.
Everything is crazy, man.

1337
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:57,040
And what's that?
And what's that going to?

1338
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:59,960
Cost this this year is.
Probably.

1339
01:07:59,960 --> 01:08:04,760
Honestly, yeah, At best, maybe
20 bucks or less right now.

1340
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,040
That's cool.
Yep, that's cool.

1341
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:07,960
That will.
Be in my.

1342
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:09,800
Studio, right?
Here as soon as it comes out.

1343
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,560
That's cool.
That's very Yeah, that's the way

1344
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:16,200
we doing it now you.
Know and I and I agreed to it

1345
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,640
because it was like, you know, I
want to go back to the way

1346
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,880
things were when music was fun
and you can purchase music you

1347
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:26,359
know people are scared to buy
because you're not getting

1348
01:08:26,359 --> 01:08:30,120
nothing when you buy the songs.
It's just a song you download

1349
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:31,960
and put it, and that's why I
won't just.

1350
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:35,200
Download a song, download and
I've discovered, I've discovered

1351
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:40,200
better music on the artist that
I downloaded for that I bought

1352
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,479
the album for one song.
Then all of a sudden like the

1353
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:44,800
entire album I'm like, holy
shit, these guys are great.

1354
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:48,359
Which I never would have done if
I was just buying song by song

1355
01:08:48,359 --> 01:08:50,720
by song Exactly.
You know, like.

1356
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:51,680
Alter Bridge.
I never would.

1357
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:53,479
Have I never would have fell in
love with Alter Bridge had I

1358
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,680
just downloaded Rise today, but
something that we all talked.

1359
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:00,000
About earlier the band has to
prove to us that they can write

1360
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,080
an entire album these days too,
right?

1361
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,240
So many people are writing for
the.

1362
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:09,080
Single right they don't care
everything else is just filler

1363
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,920
or they're not doing an entire
album at all yeah and I've had

1364
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,200
that problem too where I've.
Downloaded an album because I

1365
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,359
wanted one song and the rest of
the song, the album sucks and

1366
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:20,399
that's but that's let's see,
that's the brilliant of of in

1367
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:23,120
our generation going to the
record store, right?

1368
01:09:23,319 --> 01:09:26,840
You know, Mötley Crüe comes out,
you see shout at the devil album

1369
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:28,080
cover.
All this is going to be legit.

1370
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,479
And then you may only like one
song like you.

1371
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:31,960
It was a gamble.
We knew that.

1372
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:33,920
You, but that was the cool
thing.

1373
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:35,840
About it because part of the
thing about it.

1374
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:40,560
And you're right, it is a
gamble, but if you really look

1375
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,560
at it, it's really not because
they're giving you more music

1376
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,760
for you to learn and choose from
that you would get that you

1377
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,439
would normally get back in those
days that you can't do today.

1378
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:53,520
Well, and I'll tell you one of
the things.

1379
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,920
That we talk about that is a
lost art these days is when you

1380
01:09:56,920 --> 01:10:00,000
did find that album like
Shouting the Devil, that was

1381
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,160
great all the way through.
You got your buddies together

1382
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,280
and everybody just listened to
it over and over and over again,

1383
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:07,800
man.
You know, that's how you spent

1384
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:09,560
your Friday and Saturday nights.
Yep.

1385
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:11,840
Until the next.
I'm going to tell you guys

1386
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:12,480
something.
Yeah.

1387
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:15,120
On the 1st.
Album.

1388
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:18,240
Solitude.
There's a last song when you get

1389
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:19,960
a chance to it.
Once you go listen to that last

1390
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,760
song.
The song is called Euphoria.

1391
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:25,160
It's a 8.
Minute.

1392
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:28,760
Song of just instrumentals of.
Me just.

1393
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:33,760
Jamming through genres that I
learned how to perfect, I did

1394
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,680
everything.
The only genre that's not in

1395
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:40,920
that that particular song is
rap, but all the genres that I

1396
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:44,200
was influenced with.
I played guitar solos over all

1397
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:46,440
of that.
Now when?

1398
01:10:46,440 --> 01:10:47,680
I.
Was doing the album.

1399
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:49,800
I was asked why are you doing
that?

1400
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,360
I said because I want to go back
to the way things was back in

1401
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:58,080
the old days when you can buy a
full length album and you get

1402
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:01,280
that instrumental where it's
it's just nothing but just

1403
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:04,600
music, yeah.
And when I did it, it it.

1404
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,400
It went people with my fans were
nuts.

1405
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,200
Well, now I'll.
Now, I'll tell you something

1406
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:12,320
that'll be on parallel with
that.

1407
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:17,160
I was always super insecure as a
songwriter because I had nothing

1408
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:20,680
to compare myself to.
Right When I met these guys,

1409
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:25,000
they gave me more compliments
that we never talked about until

1410
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,880
now.
That like when Chris wanted me

1411
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:31,600
to write music for his spoken
word, you know, I knew how much

1412
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:35,440
that meant to him.
But then I understood that all

1413
01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:38,200
this, what I thought was
nonsense, was really music,

1414
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,080
right?
Because I would just sit there

1415
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,840
and play and these guys would be
like, hey, what's that, you

1416
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:44,800
know, Or what's that?
Do that again.

1417
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,840
You know that's true.
My my.

1418
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,320
Problem is my.
Brain is so chaotic that I don't

1419
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,040
think like a drummer.
That's why I don't.

1420
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:53,920
I'm not well at beats.
I can.

1421
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:55,800
I can't wait to mute you guys.
I can.

1422
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:59,440
Write riffs till the cows come.
Home but a lot, a lot of them

1423
01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:02,560
just overlap each other, right.
So these guys would slow my

1424
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:06,440
brain down enough to say hey, I
like that do that again or I

1425
01:12:06,440 --> 01:12:09,800
like this do that again.
Yeah, because the way I missed

1426
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,440
that the way I write.
It's basically a poetry.

1427
01:12:12,440 --> 01:12:15,680
It's a poem.
It's 4 verses, 4 line verses,

1428
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:17,880
and then a four line course.
And then we would just, I'd give

1429
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:21,120
that to Mike and then we would
evolve it, however we evolved

1430
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:22,520
it.
But it always started out in the

1431
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,520
basic ballad format of poetry
because that's when I first

1432
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,520
started writing in that.
And that style was high school

1433
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:32,320
because an English teacher
challenged me to stop being a

1434
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:35,360
dumb jock and write a poem.
OK, you guys got great stories,

1435
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:37,480
man, Great.
Stories, you know, but that's,

1436
01:12:37,480 --> 01:12:39,200
that's kind of how.
That evolved so that I learned

1437
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,800
how to write just from, from a
poetry standpoint.

1438
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:46,320
And then it's, you know, it just
evolved from there, you know,

1439
01:12:46,440 --> 01:12:47,960
and it's still writing from a
poetry standpoint.

1440
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,280
When I send him stuff, it's
like, here, check this out, you

1441
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,000
know, and he can pick up the,
yeah, he can pick up the

1442
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:56,040
attitude from it instantly.
That's the primary.

1443
01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:01,560
Reason why I did these
instrumentals because I wanted

1444
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:05,840
people to just euphoria means,
you know, be relaxed and listen

1445
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:07,680
to music.
So I said, well, I'm just going

1446
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:11,400
to make a song where it's just
nothing but just music and I'm

1447
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:15,560
just doing my guitar solos over.
It went over really well.

1448
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:17,320
They asked me to do a second
one.

1449
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:21,360
I did it on the second album and
now I'm doing it on the third

1450
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,240
album.
So there's three parts of it all

1451
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,840
right on you get to.
You get to listen.

1452
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:32,000
To all three, if you and I just
did an interview last week and

1453
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,160
they said, you know, we heard
them, we heard them and you

1454
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:40,400
know, why don't you suggest that
I do a release of all of the

1455
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:43,400
Euphorias on one album?
Not like a trilogy, that's.

1456
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:46,000
Awesome.
And I said that's a good.

1457
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:47,680
Idea.
So I think I'm going to do that

1458
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:51,520
after I get about two more, you
know, because I'm going to keep

1459
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,680
the train going.
The next album I'm going to do

1460
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,560
another one and another one, and
then I'll put them, I'll compile

1461
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,240
them all on one album.
That's cool.

1462
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:00,000
I have a piece of music like
that.

1463
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:04,640
It's it's just two pieces, but I
wrote it when I was going

1464
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:07,640
through the throes of my
addiction and I credit that

1465
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:10,520
piece of music was saving my
life because I played it over

1466
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:14,520
and over and over and in the in
the middle of the night one

1467
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:18,600
night, a guy that was, you know,
was unsavory character, but he

1468
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:22,000
was around a lot.
He heard that piece of music.

1469
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,240
And this is not what you would
expect from this guy.

1470
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:27,440
He said, you know, keep playing
stuff like that man, because the

1471
01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:30,280
world needs more of it.
Yes, that is so true.

1472
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:33,000
The world needs.
Fresh music.

1473
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:34,960
Lemoyne It stopped me dead in my
tracks.

1474
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:38,320
Because it came from somebody.
That guy was he didn't talk like

1475
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:42,400
that, you know, But he playing
that piece of music changed his

1476
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:46,360
brain at that moment in time
from being a mean, tough,

1477
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:52,160
cussing, drug addict, alcoholic.
What you know, he was just that

1478
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:56,960
kind of guy and he talked that
way, but he he stopped me dead

1479
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:57,800
in.
My tracks, you know.

1480
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,720
That was a moment in time, and I
have a lot of those where I know

1481
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:02,680
music can change someone, you
know?

1482
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:04,600
Yeah, music can.
And.

1483
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:08,600
And that's the prime example of
of insecurity.

1484
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:13,160
When you hear insecurity, even
now, when I even go back and

1485
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:15,960
listen to it, I'm like, oh, wow,
you know, I see what everybody

1486
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:20,520
is talking about now, you know?
And it's a staple, one of my

1487
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:25,200
biggest songs, and it's a staple
in my career that it's more than

1488
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,480
just a song to me.
It's, it's, it's like, like you

1489
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:32,560
just said, it saved your life.
This song really helped me, you

1490
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,560
know, get over a lot of things
hearing you tell that story.

1491
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:39,080
Makes me inspired to, you know,
I have to get that recorded

1492
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:41,760
because I think the world needs
to hear it that that guy that

1493
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,560
made that statement is no longer
with us.

1494
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:47,440
So there was a reason he was
placed on this earth and I know

1495
01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:50,520
it was for more than that, but
he was in my life.

1496
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:53,280
He was placed there to say that
at that moment in time.

1497
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,880
So and and it helped you and.
Yeah, and here and here and

1498
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:58,680
here.
In your story, you know you

1499
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:00,920
were.
I put it out there.

1500
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,040
Because this is.
How I was feeling, I don't know

1501
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:04,800
how people are going to react to
it, right.

1502
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,640
And it spoke to them because it
came from your soul, you know?

1503
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:10,240
Exactly.
Yes, that's exactly you put.

1504
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,120
It perfectly.
And that goes back to

1505
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:13,760
songwriting itself.
When you're writing a song

1506
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,600
that's just just about, you
know, going out and getting

1507
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:17,120
drunk and getting laid, there's
no meaning to that.

1508
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,240
There's no, you're not going to
look back on that 20 years and

1509
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:21,960
reflect.
Oh, Oh yeah.

1510
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:22,680
The.
Stuff.

1511
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:23,880
Everything I've ever written
that was.

1512
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:27,480
Down to music I can I can listen
to that song and I can know it

1513
01:16:27,480 --> 01:16:31,400
takes me back exactly to why I
wrote it most of the time where

1514
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:35,040
I wrote it, where I came up with
it and I can remember the

1515
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:38,720
structure of it because it has
meaning because there's purpose

1516
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:40,520
behind it.
Like a lot of people always

1517
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:44,680
asked us because we were we were
we were abandoned the early 90s

1518
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,840
and stuff.
So when we when we disbanded, it

1519
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:51,120
was 9596.
So we we, we didn't really go as

1520
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,320
high as we could have gone, but
we were Creed before Creed was

1521
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:54,640
Creed because that's how I
write.

1522
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:56,480
I write about life and things
like that.

1523
01:16:56,480 --> 01:17:00,960
I have a better range than step
had or has, But that's kind of

1524
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,520
why we were able to play with as
many different acts that we

1525
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:05,120
played with.
We open for everybody from

1526
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:08,320
Marshall Tucker Band to Enough
Is Enough because we we were

1527
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:11,280
just a good old fashioned
rock'n'roll band that had

1528
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:15,800
substance and we had enough of a
draw because back then, which

1529
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,240
you can probably relate to, you
had to sell tickets to your

1530
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:20,880
shows like nobody was promoting
you but yourself.

1531
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:24,160
Yeah, our moment of days.
Right, so the crowd was

1532
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:25,960
dependent on.
What we did to promote

1533
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:28,480
ourselves.
And that's lost in this world

1534
01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:31,320
now too, because nobody's doing
the work.

1535
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:34,160
Nobody's spending the time to
stand in front of a janitor and

1536
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:38,840
two waitresses and the bartender
or, or 3000 people you know,

1537
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:42,840
packed in because you've, you've
grown organically over time.

1538
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:45,120
You don't get that.
It's, it's instant.

1539
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:48,920
I want one song to make, you
know, 3,000,000 downloads.

1540
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:54,560
So I make $800 next and the
label gets all of it next, next.

1541
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,520
Just like we could spend 1000.
Dollars a week promoting this

1542
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:00,840
podcast and we could have
millions of hits right none of

1543
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,680
them mean anything because
they're all bots right right

1544
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,680
right we we've grown this.
Thing organically Lemoyne to the

1545
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:08,760
fact that we really started
paying attention to at least I

1546
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,560
did from some content wise on
YouTube in March.

1547
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:15,400
We just passed 85,000 views.
Now to put it in perspective, my

1548
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,920
business YouTube pages I've had
since 2005 or 6.

1549
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:23,440
I'm just under 500,000 views and
I have probably 600 different

1550
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:28,320
600 videos and congratulations
to put it into.

1551
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:32,400
Perspective for you even.
More, that's a 70% increase in

1552
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:37,200
three months because you only
had, we only had about 30,000

1553
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:40,280
views up till that point when he
shifted his focus to being

1554
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,480
consistent and doing things a
certain way.

1555
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:45,400
And all of a sudden I was like,
you know, you're rapidly

1556
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:47,640
approaching 100,000 views and
I'm like, no.

1557
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:50,320
Because they don't look at the.
Members news, guys,

1558
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,160
congratulations.
Thank you.

1559
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:54,840
And that's and I don't even pay.
Attention to it, I just do it.

1560
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,520
So that's what makes it even
more special is that there's not

1561
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,680
we're not paying for it.
So many like we get hit up all

1562
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:03,000
the time all $200.
We'll get you 100,000 views.

1563
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,160
No.
What do you mean no, no.

1564
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:07,240
And for me.
Selfishly, this is He's

1565
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:11,280
fulfilling my dream by finding a
musician that is speaking on the

1566
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:16,000
same level as we are as
songwriters and as a musician

1567
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:20,560
reached heights that, you know,
we had aspirations to at that

1568
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,560
time of reaching and for, you
know, whatever reason or

1569
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:25,680
another, the stars weren't
aligned at that time.

1570
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:29,320
But I agree with Chris, man.
I never had more fun musically

1571
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:33,800
in my life and never felt more
free as a musician or a human

1572
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:37,160
being as the time that I was
surrounded by those three guys.

1573
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:38,880
That's what they meant to me,
right?

1574
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:40,760
Yeah.
And it's a it's a brotherhood.

1575
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:42,600
Man, it's a family.
This is definitely a

1576
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:44,960
brotherhood.
Vans Brotherhood.

1577
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:46,720
I love it.
Yes, yeah.

1578
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:48,200
And as musicians.
We all stick.

1579
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:50,000
Together.
That's why this is a dream for

1580
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,240
me.
Part of starting this podcast

1581
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:56,520
was to be creative again and to
grow something from the ground

1582
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:58,760
up, like planting a seed, Right.
I'm not a gardener.

1583
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:00,880
This is my garden.
This is our playground.

1584
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:03,640
You know, every now and then we
get the, well, you know, maybe a

1585
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:05,280
cuss a little too much or
whatever.

1586
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:06,520
Yeah, we do.
This is our.

1587
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:11,080
For good or bad ladies and.
Gentlemen, this is my

1588
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:13,240
playground.
I have to have a place where I

1589
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,880
can be creative, right?
Chris has to have a place where

1590
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:17,800
he can feel like himself as an
artist.

1591
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,040
Yep.
So we're, we're we.

1592
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:21,880
We're sorry.
For the language every now and

1593
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:24,960
then.
But you know, Lemoyne will back

1594
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:26,680
us up.
Musicians have their own

1595
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:28,000
language.
They do.

1596
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:29,080
Yes, we do.
Amen.

1597
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:30,960
Amen.
I want to I want to ask you

1598
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,360
something about your life resume
in, in, in the music industry,

1599
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,440
Lemoyne.
I want to know, I want to know

1600
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,400
in your opinion, because it
sounds like you have met a ton

1601
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:45,320
of people along your journey,
what would be the the one that

1602
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,920
that that that starstruck you
that you met?

1603
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,360
Did we lose him?
I was going to say, did you I,

1604
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:54,680
I.
Lost his video.

1605
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:57,760
I lost his video too.
Hello.

1606
01:20:57,760 --> 01:20:58,520
Hello.
Lamone.

1607
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:00,400
Lamoine.
I keep saying Lamone.

1608
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:01,720
Lamoine.
Lamoine.

1609
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:03,760
Like Des Moines?
Yeah.

1610
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:05,800
We may have lost Lamoine.
I don't know if I have his

1611
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:09,040
number to call him either.
Oh oh, I wonder if his Internet

1612
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,280
went out.
They might be having storms up

1613
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:11,920
that way.
Today.

1614
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:13,440
There was a frost moving
through.

1615
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:15,920
I didn't know he was in Chicago.
I didn't either.

1616
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:19,040
I didn't either.
So dude, what a fascinating

1617
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:21,720
individual.
Right, that was dude.

1618
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:25,880
Very cool guy, very good human.
I wanted to ask him about his.

1619
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:28,440
Songs he wrote for DMX and
Aaliyah too.

1620
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:30,240
Yeah, well, I just.
That's why I was.

1621
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:31,800
Kind of going with that, I
wanted to see what he said as

1622
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:33,880
far as, you know, who he had met
and that kind of thing.

1623
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:40,960
Then then take that to a whole
new all new level on you.

1624
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:42,360
Know because it'd be interesting
to see.

1625
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:44,520
Because the names that he
dropped to the people he worked

1626
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:47,080
with and, you know, would you
ever have actually been

1627
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:48,920
starstruck?
Like, I wanted to ask him if he

1628
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:51,840
reference Prince.
Like, dude, did you never meet

1629
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,800
Prince, You know, because R
Kelly, R Kelly's kind of, you

1630
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,400
know, dark.
Yeah, he definitely.

1631
01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:59,480
Tainted his own name.
Yeah.

1632
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:00,600
Yeah.
So not that.

1633
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:02,480
It wasn't impressive that he
worked with R Kelly a little

1634
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:03,760
bit.
You know, that's just one of

1635
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:06,080
those names where.
It's not like Ted Nugent where

1636
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:07,640
you can go.
Yeah, I love his music, but I

1637
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:08,800
hate his politics.
Right.

1638
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,880
Or whatever you hate about him.
You know, you can't take away

1639
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:14,240
from the fact that Uncle Ted is
an amazing guitar player.

1640
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:16,400
No, you can't.
And then he is for.

1641
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:20,000
Sure.
Give it a second and see if he

1642
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,120
can, yeah.
I'm going to.

1643
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:24,920
I'm going.
To the e-mail, and I'm going to

1644
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:27,280
e-mail him and see what's what
if he responds.

1645
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:30,960
That dude's definitely legit
though man.

1646
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:34,840
Holy crap.
Very, very.

1647
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:36,000
Much as.
Far as.

1648
01:22:36,480 --> 01:22:39,640
A life's resume and music goes
he's he's been there, done that

1649
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,680
on both sides of the fence, as a
rock'n'roll guy and as a hip hop

1650
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:45,280
guy and as a rap guy.
Yep.

1651
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:48,680
Yeah, it's amazing that that's
why I asked him.

1652
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:50,360
About the rap, because I've
never really gotten to rap, as

1653
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:55,800
you know, but it was interesting
that his.

1654
01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:02,000
His.
What he did for how he how?

1655
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,080
He brought the the.
Guitars and the bass and stuff

1656
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:09,160
into rap was was pretty legit.
And it's funny because.

1657
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:12,320
That was about the same time I
was at Guitar Center a couple

1658
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:16,120
years before that, but it would
have been along the same

1659
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:18,800
timeline as Sorry about that
guys.

1660
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:20,760
No, they're totally fine.
Hang on, dude.

1661
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:23,200
I was just, I was just, I was
just emailing you.

1662
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:27,280
Modern technology it doesn't.
Work all the time and we were

1663
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:29,600
just talking like that and.
And you're sideways.

1664
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:31,120
And we were.
Talking about you behind your

1665
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:35,800
phone.
I'm here.

1666
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:36,760
We hear you.
We hear.

1667
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:38,840
You.
It's all good.

1668
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:41,720
Man.
So MM has a couple questions for

1669
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:44,640
you that that he was hoping, he
was hoping you'd come back so he

1670
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:45,960
could ask.
So I'm here.

1671
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:47,560
Yeah.
Yeah.

1672
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:50,800
So when I was doing my research.
I saw that you were somehow

1673
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:54,080
involved in writing songs for
DMX and Aaliyah.

1674
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:57,200
Yes, yes.
Tell me, tell me about those,

1675
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:59,880
please.
The.

1676
01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:04,720
Process with Aaliyah first was
when, remember I told you, you

1677
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:06,800
know, the guys called me down
and they wanted me to work with

1678
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:09,920
R Kelly.
Yeah, my, I had. 22.

1679
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:12,720
Guys that called me and they
wanted me to be a part of the

1680
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:16,280
team.
R Kelly's music team and.

1681
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:19,240
How that?
Happened was he was literally in

1682
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:23,800
the studio working and they
asked me and the other two guys

1683
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:28,880
to to participate in helping
with the production of the song

1684
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:32,440
and that's what we did.
We spent like, honestly.

1685
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:36,280
On that one song, I think we
spent.

1686
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:39,960
About 3 days straight.
Nobody showered or nothing.

1687
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:42,600
You can imagine what it smelled
like.

1688
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:48,120
Yeah, buddy.
And once R Kelly did his job, he

1689
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:50,760
left the rest of it to us.
Then we end up going into the

1690
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:53,480
studio and we finalized the
project.

1691
01:24:53,480 --> 01:24:59,200
And once it was done with all
our expertise together, you

1692
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:03,080
know, we all gel together to
make that song sound good and.

1693
01:25:03,480 --> 01:25:05,000
And it was approved and it came
out.

1694
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:07,160
What was the name of that?
Song.

1695
01:25:07,480 --> 01:25:09,320
Yeah.
Back and forth.

1696
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:12,240
OK, I wanted to.
Look that one up.

1697
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:16,960
Let me see do.
I have the record for that.

1698
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:22,320
I think I do some of them.
Yes, it was called back and

1699
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:27,800
forth.
And that was debut album from

1700
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:31,080
her debut album.
OK, there's the record.

1701
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:32,920
You were saying the.
DMX.

1702
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:37,240
The DMX.
And I, we became good friends

1703
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:42,360
back right a little bit before
he died and there was a song we

1704
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:47,160
were working on together.
Hey yo Cato, for a friend of

1705
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:51,760
ours that that passed and.
We had planned on.

1706
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:55,240
He he was me and him was talking
about joining his company.

1707
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:57,120
He had a new company he had just
started.

1708
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:02,920
I forgot the name of it, but we
were talking about me signing

1709
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:06,640
with him during that that time.
But then he got caught up in

1710
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:09,800
some other stuff and not shortly
he passed.

1711
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:12,320
But yeah.
We did.

1712
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:13,080
We had.
Started on.

1713
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:20,040
I was particularly asked to join
in on from a friend of mine to

1714
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:23,600
produce for him when he flew
into Chicago and they called me

1715
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:27,960
and I went to the studio and
that's when I met him and I came

1716
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:30,160
up with these ideas for songs
for him.

1717
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:34,360
And it went from I just finished
doing the soundtrack for Crime

1718
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:37,160
partners or film where Ice T and
Snoop Dogg.

1719
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:45,480
So my friend Cato wanted to get
involved with the soundtrack,

1720
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:47,760
but the soundtrack was already
done.

1721
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:51,040
So when I told him I was working
with, well, I'm getting ready to

1722
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:53,280
do some stuff with DMX, he said,
oh man, I got to meet him.

1723
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:56,160
Let me meet him.
So when DMX came in, I'd

1724
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:59,720
introduced them two together and
they became best friends, the

1725
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:04,520
two of them alone.
And he had just started his new

1726
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:07,480
production company, which we
were talking about.

1727
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:14,360
And my friend that I introduced
to to Cato was buying a song,

1728
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:17,720
buying a spot on his production
company for the for the movie.

1729
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:21,120
I forgot the name of the movie
that.

1730
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:25,200
DMX was doing the soundtrack for
and and we were all involved in

1731
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:27,640
it.
And what happened was he got

1732
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:30,200
killed.
That's a bad thing.

1733
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:35,280
That's a bad thing, yeah.
He got killed and DMX went nuts

1734
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:38,240
and we all came together to try
to come up with a song for his

1735
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:40,240
passing.
And that's that's what the

1736
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:43,560
Ayokado song was about from that
point on.

1737
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:49,200
But you know, after that, DMX
lost it and we lost contact with

1738
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:51,760
each other.
I think he just went sideways

1739
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:56,680
and you know, from that and from
him going in that direction, I

1740
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:59,640
couldn't reach him.
And then and when I heard the

1741
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:03,320
news that he had passed, it was
too late by the end.

1742
01:28:03,480 --> 01:28:05,520
I know a lot of.
People that I work.

1743
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:09,280
With during my career as a
producer, I can't reach none of

1744
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:12,080
these people no more because you
know, they have the insurance

1745
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:13,760
and outs.
Some people I can still get a

1746
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:17,160
hold to, you know, if I if I
work a little bit harder to get

1747
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:21,000
to them, you know, But you know,
that was during the the rap

1748
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:24,680
days, you know, pretty much most
of those people that I work for

1749
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:27,480
and did records where they're
not even doing rap anymore.

1750
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:30,640
Not at all.
Yeah.

1751
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:34,840
Wow.
So one of the things.

1752
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:37,720
One of the things I wanted to
ask you like, like you've

1753
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:40,000
dropped, you've dropped some
amazing names in the music

1754
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:41,960
industry, right?
Like just, you know, I'd have to

1755
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:45,520
tell you that what's the one
artist you've ever worked with

1756
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:47,040
or met that you just were kind
of like?

1757
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:51,760
I would, I would have loved to
work.

1758
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:54,840
With and I was getting close.
That's another one with Michael

1759
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:56,520
Jackson.
Yeah, that would have been that

1760
01:28:56,520 --> 01:29:00,400
would have been cool.
Everybody has a Prince story.

1761
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:01,840
I do have a Prince story.
Right on.

1762
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:02,920
Let's hear the Prince story,
man.

1763
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:04,680
Because.
Because Prince.

1764
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:07,040
Just so you understand.
It's OK, So Mike and I are Mike

1765
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:10,000
and I, and as far as Prince is
concerned as a musician, he's

1766
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:13,560
one of the most prolific
musicians that I, I just the

1767
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:18,600
dude just I would love to be in
his brain for an hour because

1768
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:22,480
because to me, the songs that
like that, he like little red

1769
01:29:22,480 --> 01:29:24,680
Corvette, right?
Like you, you.

1770
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:28,000
How much of that did he hear in
his head right before he

1771
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:29,840
actually put it down?
And the fact that he could take

1772
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:33,640
what he has in his head and put
that down and produce it to

1773
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:36,960
every, it's just, I wish I could
do that and I can't.

1774
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:39,880
I don't have that innate ability
that, that someone like him had.

1775
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:43,840
I need people like Mike to help
put my, when we were writing our

1776
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:47,600
music and stuff to put my, my
vision of what I hear down.

1777
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:50,440
But I think somebody like Prince
and the Michael Jackson's and

1778
01:29:50,440 --> 01:29:53,160
even Kid Rock, because they,
they're, and probably you too,

1779
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:55,880
because you can play everything.
So you can probably hear

1780
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:57,960
everything and in your head kind
of like Mozart, right?

1781
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:01,240
Like a composure, you're hearing
all these different elements and

1782
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:03,240
you know where they can go and
you just know how to put them

1783
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:08,400
down into the system and make it
come out like so, so.

1784
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:09,440
So.
So.

1785
01:30:09,440 --> 01:30:11,600
Yes, bring us your Prince story,
please.

1786
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:15,800
Well.
On the highlight of my career, I

1787
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:20,480
was doing, I was doing
production and my lawyers

1788
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:23,800
reached out to me and they asked
me, you know, would you like to

1789
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:28,320
work for Prince?
Prince is looking for somebody

1790
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:30,400
to program for him at at Paisley
Park.

1791
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:32,160
Nice.
Really.

1792
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:34,760
You know the.
Opportunity like.

1793
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:36,360
Really.
And they came to me and they

1794
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:39,480
asked me.
So I was like, I was, I was

1795
01:30:39,480 --> 01:30:42,680
like, devastated, right?
So, yeah, yeah.

1796
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:44,280
Yeah, I.
Said So what's the?

1797
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:46,080
What's the?
What you know, tell me the

1798
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:48,240
details about the job and
everything.

1799
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:49,880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so when they.

1800
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:52,680
Brought it to.
Me, he had already heard who I

1801
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:57,000
was and there was a conflict in
the early part of a song that I

1802
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:01,080
had did using a sample from
another producer that we did

1803
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:07,040
together that, you know, it got
blown over and we, you know, he,

1804
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:09,960
he didn't want to he didn't
bother me about it no more.

1805
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:15,240
But what I did learn about it
was that he had heard my

1806
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:20,000
production and, you know, he
he's considering me working for

1807
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:24,080
him.
And I, I thought about it for

1808
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:25,840
like 2 days.
Well, yeah.

1809
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:27,880
And like you just.
Said you know.

1810
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,840
I looked up to Prince.
How could you not?

1811
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:32,520
I mean.
As a musician, how could you

1812
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:36,720
matter, right?
His recording stopped against.

1813
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:39,880
Had her my life behind.
Him to a point where.

1814
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:41,680
OK, OK.
You know.

1815
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:43,920
I was so.
Highly influenced by this man.

1816
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:47,480
It didn't even you know the
thought of me working for him

1817
01:31:47,480 --> 01:31:53,320
was just no brainer.
But the second.

1818
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:55,320
I think it was the.
Third day they called me back

1819
01:31:55,320 --> 01:32:00,080
saying I was like, are you going
to do it?

1820
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:03,480
And I was like, I thought about
it and thought about it.

1821
01:32:03,480 --> 01:32:07,840
I said no because I know if I do
it I'm not going to have.

1822
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,920
The same respect for.
Him because I grew up respecting

1823
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:14,360
him, I.
Guess you know what I'm saying,

1824
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:17,280
because once you start working.
For somebody that you that you.

1825
01:32:17,480 --> 01:32:18,840
It were.
Highly influenced.

1826
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:22,720
You see flaws, you see things,
you hear things and you go, oh

1827
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:24,080
man, I didn't know it was like
this.

1828
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:28,480
And then it changes your
perspective of that artist that

1829
01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:32,360
you grew up listening to.
So I was like, I think I, I.

1830
01:32:32,440 --> 01:32:34,920
I'm cool with the.
Way that it is right now.

1831
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:38,080
So I like that.
I like that.

1832
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:39,560
Response.
Yeah, that's good.

1833
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:43,560
And and I and I.
Respected them for asking me and

1834
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:47,520
I and even him considering me
working for him but I think

1835
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:52,600
because I I couldn't do.
It I think.

1836
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:55,680
That might be the most.
Impressive response to being

1837
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:59,040
comfortable in your own skin as
an artist that I've ever heard,

1838
01:32:59,880 --> 01:33:02,480
yeah.
But I but I but I and.

1839
01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:05,160
I get that response because,
again, you have somebody on such

1840
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:07,200
a a high level because he's
Prince.

1841
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:09,160
Yeah.
And then and then you you could

1842
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:13,160
theoretically see the dark side
and not like what you see.

1843
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:16,720
And then all of a sudden that
that that person you hold in

1844
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:19,560
such high esteem, it completely
changes.

1845
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:20,880
You know, it's.
Yeah.

1846
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:24,520
And that's what I was afraid.
Of yeah, I thought about it for

1847
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:26,360
two days.
I mean, they had been calling me

1848
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:29,440
every day and on the on the
third day I was like, I had to

1849
01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:31,920
turn it down.
It's like, man, are you and and

1850
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:35,040
weirdest thing was you're crazy.
Why would you turn?

1851
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:38,080
What?
Well, no matter what he was.

1852
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:40,440
Offering because what?
He was offering to pay me was

1853
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,920
ridiculous, but you know, of
course it was Prince Money man,

1854
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:45,880
it was.
Prince, it was just the fact.

1855
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:47,760
That it was Prince.
But see.

1856
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:50,280
But see that goes back.
To that Nietzsche.

1857
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:53,400
Quote Careful how long you gaze
into the abyss, because the

1858
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:55,600
abyss also gazes into you,
right?

1859
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:59,120
That's exactly what Chris just
said.

1860
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:01,200
You know, you pull the curtain
back, you never know what you're

1861
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:04,080
going to see.
And I was afraid of.

1862
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:07,720
That and I thought about it and
I and so I shared this

1863
01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:11,040
information with you the same
thing I told him and he thought

1864
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:14,080
I was crazy.
He literally thought that man,

1865
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:16,200
that's Prince.
How could you turn down Prince?

1866
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:20,720
And I was like, you know, I have
too much respect for him to work

1867
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:22,800
for him, right?
Because how could you?

1868
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:24,360
How could you?
Comfortably give him your

1869
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:26,880
opinion like he's Prince, OK
man.

1870
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:28,000
You know that part in purple
ranges?

1871
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:29,920
I don't.
Like that, I think you need to

1872
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:32,520
go this way.
I wish I could.

1873
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:35,680
Give the guy credit.
But I remember 1 of Stevie Ray

1874
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:39,000
Vaughn's producers and one of
the documentaries I wrote, he

1875
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:43,200
said Stevie would play between
60 and 62 solos on average for

1876
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:44,880
every piece of music that he
wrote.

1877
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:49,960
And then he would ask him to
pick one and he's like, all 62

1878
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:53,920
were fucking brilliant.
So how do you pick exactly?

1879
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:54,640
He's like.
There.

1880
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:57,280
Wasn't one.
Flaw in any of them.

1881
01:34:57,320 --> 01:34:59,360
They were just different, right?
Yeah, yeah.

1882
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:02,400
He's like, that's how good
Stevie Ray Vaughan was.

1883
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:05,120
I've never been able to say that
about anybody else.

1884
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:09,800
He's like all 62 of them were
brilliant, that is.

1885
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:12,280
Crazy.
So you know.

1886
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:14,440
Like I said.
Those.

1887
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:18,440
Those times I've met lots of
people in my career and, you

1888
01:35:18,440 --> 01:35:23,160
know, I've been blessed to be
able to work and and have all of

1889
01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:25,480
this stuff happening at the same
time.

1890
01:35:25,480 --> 01:35:30,360
But my biggest accomplishment to
me is actually doing my own

1891
01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:32,760
music now.
I feel so much better about

1892
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:34,680
that, Yeah.
And then and right, rightfully

1893
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:36,400
so, because you've been doing it
for so long.

1894
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:39,040
It's it's about time you you got
your, your turn.

1895
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:41,440
Like we had a guy on that's
that's a boxer, right?

1896
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:43,880
He's been boxing for 16 plus
years.

1897
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:47,600
He just finally got to the pros.
Like it it literally since he

1898
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:51,120
was 19 years old, 15 years old.
He started boxing amateur when

1899
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:53,360
he was when he was 19.
But that was, I forget what he

1900
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:56,280
called it, but it was basically
the what he called that the Pee

1901
01:35:56,280 --> 01:35:57,800
Wee League.
He did that.

1902
01:35:59,080 --> 01:35:59,960
Yeah, he.
Did that for a.

1903
01:35:59,960 --> 01:36:01,880
Certain amount of time.
Then he was an amateur, I think

1904
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:04,080
for 10 years.
The Open Pro or the Open

1905
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:05,480
Amateur?
League, right?

1906
01:36:05,480 --> 01:36:06,600
Open Amateur league.
Well, you.

1907
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:09,000
You.
Know so it's it's amazing that

1908
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:12,080
16 plus years just to get to
become a pro and he's he's just

1909
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:14,360
he's going to have his third
professional fight next week

1910
01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:18,320
musicians are very.
Much the same way, right?

1911
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:19,680
And he's 36 years old.
It's.

1912
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:21,840
Like, and so that was
fascinating to me because the,

1913
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:28,920
the time that you put in
musicians put in and and it's

1914
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:31,840
not just wake up one day.
I mean ran it when we're in the

1915
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:33,960
zone and the muses there, right?
I could write a song.

1916
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:36,160
I could write 5 songs right now
if I was in that zone and I

1917
01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:37,400
could could write music for my
boom.

1918
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:38,680
All of a sudden you have 5
songs.

1919
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:42,080
Yeah.
But people don't understand

1920
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:44,280
that.
How much of that is, how much of

1921
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:47,000
that is a craft?
And you have to hold that.

1922
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:49,240
It's definitely a craft, you
know?

1923
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:53,600
It takes time to really, really
put songs together, especially

1924
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:56,440
songs that's meaningful that
people can get out of.

1925
01:36:56,760 --> 01:37:00,360
Well, I thinking about it, I
think Chris I.

1926
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:02,680
Think Chris just said it best.
The mood has to be right.

1927
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:05,040
The time has to be right.
I apologize for interrupting

1928
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:07,800
you, but people don't.
No, no, no, you're absolutely

1929
01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:11,160
right.
Everything has its timing, and

1930
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:16,560
what I learned is I don't put a
lot of emphasis and oh, I got to

1931
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:18,080
find the right song.
I just write.

1932
01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:20,680
I write what I feel I.
Do.

1933
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:23,200
What I do and I just keep it
going and I don't even think

1934
01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:25,400
twice about it.
I'll come back and listen to it

1935
01:37:25,400 --> 01:37:28,600
and go, that sounds good or no,
just saying a word.

1936
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:32,760
And I usually pass it off to
some of my friends that are not

1937
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:36,080
in the music business, you know,
some girls I know or whatever,

1938
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:38,080
and say, listen to this, tell me
what you think of it.

1939
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:41,720
And they'll tell me the truth.
And we go from there and, and

1940
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:44,520
then I'll take a chance on it.
And, you know, but I don't, I

1941
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:48,960
don't, you know, you know, I
have this pen and you know, this

1942
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:51,640
word and this and that.
I just write what I feel.

1943
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:53,800
I go in and I sing it.
That's it.

1944
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:58,280
I don't put any thought into it.
I just go for it.

1945
01:37:58,280 --> 01:37:59,760
No, it's.
Like it's one of the coolest.

1946
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:01,880
Stories I've ever heard about
music and bands.

1947
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:03,960
Bon Jovi when they were writing
New Jersey, right?

1948
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:05,360
Their, their breakthrough,
right?

1949
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:08,600
They would, they would lay down,
they would lay down songs in the

1950
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:11,120
studio and then go to the local
the the pizza, just a pizza

1951
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:13,920
joint near the studio and they
would play it, they would play

1952
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:16,440
it at the pizza joint on the
jukebox and watch the kids

1953
01:38:16,440 --> 01:38:19,160
reaction.
And then based on that reaction,

1954
01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:20,800
they knew if that song should
make the album or not.

1955
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:24,000
And they would go And they just,
that's a great tactic, right?

1956
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:25,440
And.
They just kept doing right.

1957
01:38:25,440 --> 01:38:27,680
They just kept doing that till
they had 12 songs on that

1958
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:30,000
record.
They knew we're going to relate

1959
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:33,880
because everybody in that pizza
shop was, you know, jive into

1960
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:35,480
those songs.
What time of the day?

1961
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:36,320
You.
Just you.

1962
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:38,200
Just you.
Just reminded me of something

1963
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:43,160
when I was doing rap, when I was
a rap producer majority and I

1964
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:45,920
used to teach everybody this
when I would be doing an artist.

1965
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:49,440
If I'm working with an artist, I
said OK, look, we'll take a

1966
01:38:49,440 --> 01:38:52,440
break, we'll do the beat.
They finished the song.

1967
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:55,280
We're not mixing it.
We just did a rough mix of it.

1968
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:59,320
Yeah, we'll go to the nearest
club, play the DJ, play the

1969
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:02,280
song, he'll play it in.
The club and.

1970
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:06,120
Get a response to it and then
we'll go back into the studio.

1971
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:09,320
Hey, that bass was too low.
We need to bring that back up.

1972
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:12,080
Nice.
The people like that little

1973
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:14,160
break.
Let's make the the break longer

1974
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:17,320
and we'll we'll do these kind of
things to to make the song

1975
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:19,440
better, go back into the studio
and fix it.

1976
01:39:19,440 --> 01:39:22,080
This is all in one night of us
producing the song.

1977
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:23,880
That's cool, that's cool, and
that's to.

1978
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:25,240
Do that back in the day.
Yep.

1979
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:25,920
Yeah.
And see to.

1980
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:28,080
Me, that's what a producer.
Should do it should take your

1981
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:31,440
product and elevate it, not, not
just sit there and OK, you're

1982
01:39:31,440 --> 01:39:33,360
going to do this and let me
change the volume and the sets

1983
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:35,360
and this is this.
They should take that product.

1984
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:38,000
And and that's what I knew when,
when we did the whole thing with

1985
01:39:38,480 --> 01:39:41,520
with Universal Records, that he
wasn't a producer.

1986
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:44,840
He was a producer.
He was an engineer.

1987
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:48,160
Basically, yeah, that's what.
His role was and because I

1988
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:50,040
because I kept kind of saying
like, well, what should we do

1989
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:51,240
here?
Well, it's your song.

1990
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:53,440
I know what.
Produce it, man, Produce me.

1991
01:39:53,440 --> 01:39:55,600
That is true, I think.
That and.

1992
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:58,680
Lemoyne, you can back me up.
I think that we owe the audience

1993
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:04,240
a definition of a producer, and
the easiest layman's terms for

1994
01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:09,240
me is if you've ever heard a
band play a song before it was

1995
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:12,320
actually recorded and the
producer got a hold of it.

1996
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:15,640
That's a great example of why
that guy is there.

1997
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:17,360
Right?
Exactly.

1998
01:40:17,480 --> 01:40:19,920
That is so true.
You hit it right on the nail.

1999
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:23,600
The song sounds one way before.
You hear it and then you hear

2000
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:26,480
all the I just got asked this
question by a guy that I work

2001
01:40:26,480 --> 01:40:29,320
with the other day.
He says, how do you know where

2002
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:33,360
to put certain things in a song?
I said sometimes, you know, as

2003
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:36,880
the songwriter and I.
Got those questions.

2004
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:38,720
Too I'm.
Like how do you know?

2005
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:42,200
Even with my own.
Songs I'm like I it just it's in

2006
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:43,680
the universe.
You just yeah.

2007
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:45,480
But then there's.
But then there's.

2008
01:40:45,480 --> 01:40:48,120
Times where I might write
something and you hear it and

2009
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:50,760
you're like, hey man, have you
ever thought about this section

2010
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:51,800
here?
Have you ever thought about

2011
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:53,440
doing this?
And I'm like, no, I'd never.

2012
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:55,760
That thought would have never
crossed my mind.

2013
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:58,280
Yes, I got lots of those too.
That's.

2014
01:40:58,280 --> 01:41:01,360
What a producer does a.
Producer takes a piece of music

2015
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:04,320
and hears things that the artist
didn't hear when they were

2016
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:07,000
writing the song correctly.
Is that a good layman?

2017
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:08,480
Layman's terms?
Definition.

2018
01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:11,400
Great definition, OK.
Fantastic.

2019
01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:14,360
That's it's so true.
We keep talking like we have.

2020
01:41:14,360 --> 01:41:16,960
Our own language.
And I just realized we're saying

2021
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:18,960
things that people probably
like, you know, what's a

2022
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:20,520
producer?
What's an engineer?

2023
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:22,640
An engineer is what Chris
described.

2024
01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:26,280
He's the guy that actually puts
the equipment where it needs to

2025
01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:30,240
be to make the sound, Yes.
That is so true.

2026
01:41:31,480 --> 01:41:32,920
And it sucks when you.
Have a guy who.

2027
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:35,960
Says he's a producer and all
he's doing is dialing in a

2028
01:41:35,960 --> 01:41:38,600
sound.
Yeah, yeah.

2029
01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:40,640
Yeah, the one, but the one I
don't like.

2030
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:45,480
Those kind of producers I.
Mean to me, producers are the

2031
01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:48,480
essential part of any song,
right?

2032
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:54,040
And that's what you expect.
They, they may not be able to,

2033
01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:57,720
all of them may not play
instruments, but they have some

2034
01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:01,400
kind of knowledge from the
instrument by mixing and

2035
01:42:01,400 --> 01:42:05,480
producing it true enough that
they can hear whether it goes

2036
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:07,360
there or not.
Yes, correct.

2037
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:11,760
Even the vocals, even the
smallest thing like a triangle

2038
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:14,400
bill or Congo or something like,
no, don't put that there.

2039
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:16,680
Put it right here.
You know what I'm saying?

2040
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:18,920
You know, it's like, yeah, it's
like the cowbell man.

2041
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:22,680
Exactly.
Exactly.

2042
01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:26,280
So when I when I say.
Producer, that's what you need.

2043
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:33,680
A real producer knows music and
not Today's producers are like,

2044
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:37,840
you know, Fruity Loops and and
because they can do a song.

2045
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:40,000
On on a.
Laptop, they call themselves a

2046
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:41,560
producer.
That's not a producer.

2047
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:44,080
You put a budget in his hand, he
wouldn't know what to do.

2048
01:42:44,480 --> 01:42:45,240
Correct?
Agreed.

2049
01:42:45,440 --> 01:42:46,440
Agreed.
Yeah.

2050
01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:48,960
Yeah, huh.
You know and and.

2051
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:51,320
That's not me.
You know, I could take a whole

2052
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:55,560
full, I could take a, a, a, a
$40,000 song.

2053
01:42:56,400 --> 01:43:00,720
And when I'm done with it, right
it I can cut that cost down to

2054
01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:06,160
half or even less than that time
wise because I don't really need

2055
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:09,320
the artist.
Once the artist does his job,

2056
01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:11,880
the rest is on me.
The artist can go home and go to

2057
01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:14,840
club or whatever.
And then I take it from there.

2058
01:43:15,240 --> 01:43:18,200
And I don't spend a lot of time
like, you know, the older

2059
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:21,480
producers, they'd be in the
studio for days and days.

2060
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:26,000
And the record companies budgets
is like damn near 100 grand.

2061
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:30,600
I think it's stupid to waste all
that time sitting in the studio

2062
01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:34,520
pushing one button at a time
when you can knock all that out

2063
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:37,680
in 2448 hours and you got a
whole project done.

2064
01:43:37,720 --> 01:43:39,320
OK, let me ask you this with
that.

2065
01:43:39,320 --> 01:43:42,840
Said you're familiar.
With Metallica's black.

2066
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:44,520
Album, right?
Yes.

2067
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:49,880
What would you agree that that
is sonically not one of the best

2068
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:54,160
sounding albums?
And heavy metal I would agree.

2069
01:43:54,520 --> 01:43:57,240
I would definitely agree.
I think that that the Black

2070
01:43:57,240 --> 01:44:02,960
Album was really underplayed and
they didn't really do it,

2071
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:04,240
wouldn't dive into it.
They didn't.

2072
01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:05,920
Dive into it.
They played Inner Sandman for

2073
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:08,320
the most part and it's all you
ever hear from Black on a

2074
01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:10,200
commercial level.
Is that one song.

2075
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:11,800
So you know that that album
took.

2076
01:44:11,800 --> 01:44:14,880
Over a year to make and it cost
over $1,000,000, right?

2077
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:16,720
That's what I heard, yeah.
Could you?

2078
01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:19,200
Have do you think?
That you could have done that

2079
01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:23,600
album cheaper at that time?
Because I think yes, really.

2080
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:25,960
100%.
OK, 100.

2081
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:27,960
Percent.
I'm gonna be out.

2082
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:29,040
I'm gonna be.
Honest with you?

2083
01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:32,680
Yeah, I would have got that
album done honestly in two

2084
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:40,560
months for for maybe 50.
$60,000.

2085
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:43,000
So here's where I think Bob
Rock.

2086
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:46,000
Would disagree with you.
He would say that you could have

2087
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:49,840
never got those guys under
control for that short of time

2088
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:51,800
to be that.
That's the only problem,

2089
01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:52,920
remember.
What I said earlier, right,

2090
01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:55,000
right.
You the.

2091
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:58,000
Work is with the producer.
Bob Rock is the producer.

2092
01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:01,800
So as long as they do their job
and you get in there, get them

2093
01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:04,240
in, get them the hell out of
there because you'll never get

2094
01:45:04,240 --> 01:45:05,640
no work done while they're
there.

2095
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:10,720
So my job was to make sure, hey,
you got your shit done, OK, you

2096
01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:13,640
can leave, go have a drink, go
to the club or something and let

2097
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:16,200
me do what I do.
Here's the reason I asked that.

2098
01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:20,520
Question and you can you know, I
think you would enjoy it.

2099
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:25,080
I ran across 2 hours and 14
minutes of outtakes from a year

2100
01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:27,360
and a half in the life of
Metallica, right?

2101
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:30,920
We've all seen a year and a half
in the life of Metallica.

2102
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:34,440
If you're into Hard Rock music
or heavy metal, it's it's one of

2103
01:45:34,440 --> 01:45:36,880
the most famous documentaries in
the history of the world.

2104
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:40,520
At this point, I just.
Saw two hours and. 14 minutes

2105
01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:42,400
that we've never seen last
night.

2106
01:45:43,120 --> 01:45:44,840
Oh, I'd like to see, yeah.
Where'd?

2107
01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:46,040
You get that?
I will.

2108
01:45:46,280 --> 01:45:48,600
I will do my best to.
Find it again and I'll send you

2109
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:49,960
guys a link.
Cool.

2110
01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:52,240
Because I'm sure, I'm sure it's
in my past history.

2111
01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:58,120
What I got out of that Lemoyne
was how integral Lars is to the

2112
01:45:58,120 --> 01:46:03,840
songwriting process.
And he is outvoted like 3 or 4

2113
01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:07,920
or 5 to 1 and ends up.
Getting his way because.

2114
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:11,240
He keeps explaining it in a
different way, but I think

2115
01:46:11,240 --> 01:46:14,760
that's where a lot of the time
constraints came from that took

2116
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:18,760
so long is because they were
changing things even after they

2117
01:46:18,760 --> 01:46:21,120
started recording, which, you
know, is not ideal.

2118
01:46:22,480 --> 01:46:25,600
But I was fascinated with what
he would hear in his head and

2119
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:28,640
say, you guys are missing what
I'm saying, man, he's doing this

2120
01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:30,840
shit too much.
I want him to lay back on the

2121
01:46:30,840 --> 01:46:32,520
backbeat.
You know, I want him to follow

2122
01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:37,320
the hi hat or the Toms or, you
know, his ability to hear things

2123
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:41,840
like you're saying that the
artist normally wouldn't hear

2124
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:45,200
just fascinated me.
They would not be.

2125
01:46:45,200 --> 01:46:46,080
That.
Band without.

2126
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:48,720
That guy, people need to
understand that they hate him.

2127
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:52,600
You know you.
Know with my experience.

2128
01:46:52,600 --> 01:46:56,440
As a producer, you know.
I.

2129
01:46:56,640 --> 01:47:00,560
I learned a lot about how I
produce by working with with

2130
01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:03,640
multiple artists and of
different genres.

2131
01:47:04,440 --> 01:47:08,120
But the challenge has always
been because I'm a producer and

2132
01:47:08,120 --> 01:47:11,400
I'm producing myself, right?
And you're.

2133
01:47:11,400 --> 01:47:14,080
Harder on yourself.
I have to double question.

2134
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:18,080
Myself, like, absolutely.
And so.

2135
01:47:18,320 --> 01:47:20,440
I, I usually have to bring
somebody in.

2136
01:47:20,440 --> 01:47:24,400
Mostly my manager is like that.
You know, he's that second guy

2137
01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:29,000
that would give me what I'm
looking for, the truth behind

2138
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:31,880
what, what, what I'm doing.
No, no, no, don't do that.

2139
01:47:32,280 --> 01:47:35,760
That's not a good idea.
And I have to follow it because

2140
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:40,720
I'm merely producing myself as
opposed to if I was producing

2141
01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:43,640
another artist, I wouldn't need
his compliment or anything

2142
01:47:43,640 --> 01:47:45,760
because I know exactly what that
artist need.

2143
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:49,160
And I know what's what's going
on, what to do with that artist.

2144
01:47:49,160 --> 01:47:53,840
But when I'm doing me, it's it's
I'm very critical and I can't

2145
01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:56,480
get all.
I know what I want, I know what

2146
01:47:56,480 --> 01:47:59,840
I hear and I know what what I'm
trying to do.

2147
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:03,280
But am I sure about it?
It's hard to get away from it

2148
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:05,080
when.
You're the one on the inside.

2149
01:48:05,120 --> 01:48:06,640
Yeah.
Because, you know, I don't want

2150
01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:08,320
to be like, well.
This is, you know, I'm, I'm

2151
01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:11,520
listening to my own music and,
and it sounds good to me.

2152
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:13,320
I don't care about everybody
else.

2153
01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:15,240
But that's, you know, because
that's not how I am.

2154
01:48:15,240 --> 01:48:19,200
I want everybody to love it
besides me, right?

2155
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:22,720
Agreed.
So you know, I have.

2156
01:48:22,840 --> 01:48:24,320
I have.
Problems with that?

2157
01:48:24,440 --> 01:48:27,040
You know, I still have problems
with that till this day.

2158
01:48:27,720 --> 01:48:31,240
So, you know, 9 times out of 10,
I'll do a song, send it to my

2159
01:48:31,240 --> 01:48:34,920
manager what you think it is,
you know, hey, change, change

2160
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:38,840
that one word and you good or
change that baseline or and

2161
01:48:39,400 --> 01:48:40,000
that's where.
You.

2162
01:48:40,040 --> 01:48:42,200
That's where the trust comes
into people that you surround

2163
01:48:42,200 --> 01:48:44,040
yourself with when you're
creating what you're creating,

2164
01:48:44,040 --> 01:48:46,960
regardless of what it is.
You have to be able to rely on

2165
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:50,720
them for their honest opinion,
not just being yes or no, you

2166
01:48:50,720 --> 01:48:52,520
know?
Yeah, when I went to these.

2167
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:56,880
Guys, I was honestly looking for
their opinion, where if it was

2168
01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:59,840
somebody from the outside
looking in, you're always a

2169
01:48:59,840 --> 01:49:02,360
little more guarded, right?
Like now that I know you, if I

2170
01:49:02,360 --> 01:49:05,000
sent you a piece of music and
you said, hey, man, have you

2171
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:08,120
ever thought about this or that,
I would be all ears, right?

2172
01:49:08,280 --> 01:49:11,240
Yeah, let's try it.
If Chris says, hey, you know,

2173
01:49:11,480 --> 01:49:13,160
let's make this verse a little
bit longer.

2174
01:49:13,160 --> 01:49:15,520
I need a little more time to get
what I want out.

2175
01:49:16,160 --> 01:49:19,440
I'm all ears, man.
I I'm here to serve the song,

2176
01:49:19,440 --> 01:49:21,320
right?
I'm not serving myself as a

2177
01:49:21,320 --> 01:49:23,680
player.
It's all about the song.

2178
01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:26,840
Thank you.
Take, take all options and take

2179
01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:32,160
opportunities from other people.
Whoever is giving you advice on,

2180
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:35,400
on anything, take it because you
never know what you're going to

2181
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:37,680
come across, right?
I'll tell you the funniest

2182
01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:39,280
story.
About jamming with my drummer

2183
01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:42,720
for the first or second time is
I love drums, man.

2184
01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:45,680
I wanted to be a drummer.
My wanting to do so far

2185
01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:47,680
outweighed my ability to do so
right.

2186
01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:54,120
So we're jamming, writing songs,
and I'm like I'd.

2187
01:49:54,440 --> 01:49:55,400
Hit him harder.
You.

2188
01:49:55,400 --> 01:49:58,680
Know just, I want to hear him,
you know, I want more, you know,

2189
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:01,120
he started laughing.
He's like, man, I jammed with a

2190
01:50:01,120 --> 01:50:03,320
lot of people.
And he says, I always heard the

2191
01:50:03,320 --> 01:50:05,400
opposite.
You're playing too fast, you're

2192
01:50:05,400 --> 01:50:07,080
playing or you're playing too
hard.

2193
01:50:07,160 --> 01:50:10,400
You're playing too much.
And here you are telling me to

2194
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:14,040
play louder and more like, well,
I love drums, man.

2195
01:50:14,160 --> 01:50:16,480
You know, I want to hear that
rhythm.

2196
01:50:16,480 --> 01:50:19,080
That's what makes people move.
That is true.

2197
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:21,760
Guitar's fun for you and I to
sit around.

2198
01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:25,160
And play by ourselves because we
love guitar, but people only

2199
01:50:25,160 --> 01:50:28,280
want to hear so much of that by
itself before we want to hear

2200
01:50:28,280 --> 01:50:29,640
that beat.
Man, that backbeat.

2201
01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:32,720
Is the one yes, yeah, Chris said
it best earlier when you.

2202
01:50:32,720 --> 01:50:34,920
Throw the bass in there, the
whole song changes.

2203
01:50:35,040 --> 01:50:36,560
It does, yes.
It does everything.

2204
01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:38,480
That's why I buy a.
Prince.

2205
01:50:39,160 --> 01:50:42,680
You know when he did, when Doves
cried, tried everything.

2206
01:50:42,720 --> 01:50:45,320
He could.
To put a bass line in that song

2207
01:50:45,320 --> 01:50:47,240
and it just didn't fit.
Yep.

2208
01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:50,320
So he relied heavily on the
drums.

2209
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:55,680
You know, without that, that
song wouldn't have.

2210
01:50:55,680 --> 01:50:57,760
Been nothing.
The beat is what carried when

2211
01:50:57,800 --> 01:51:01,280
everybody knows that beat.
Yep, Yep, Yep.

2212
01:51:04,040 --> 01:51:04,920
We could go on.
For everybody.

2213
01:51:04,920 --> 01:51:07,360
I don't think we should.
We're like Chris Joy.

2214
01:51:07,440 --> 01:51:10,160
Talking music with you guys I.
Know we're like too forward to

2215
01:51:10,200 --> 01:51:11,320
meeting.
You, yeah.

2216
01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:13,680
Working with you guys.
Yeah, that would be fun.

2217
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:16,360
Man, that would.
Be fun, I know you know and now

2218
01:51:16,360 --> 01:51:18,600
is your home relationship going?
Absolutely is.

2219
01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:20,440
Your home is your home.
Based Chicago.

2220
01:51:21,160 --> 01:51:22,400
Yeah, right now.
OK, OK.

2221
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:23,440
You know.
Record company had.

2222
01:51:23,440 --> 01:51:26,240
Me come here so.
I could do DC interviews and,

2223
01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:29,440
you know, work on promos and try
to finish up my album.

2224
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:31,840
Which I just.
Wrapped up in 2 days ago if

2225
01:51:31,840 --> 01:51:33,440
you're going to be here through
the summer.

2226
01:51:33,440 --> 01:51:36,400
Man, we'll have to figure out a
way to meet like in Joliet or

2227
01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:38,200
something.
They're opening up a new casino

2228
01:51:38,200 --> 01:51:42,080
there in August, hey.
Man, we could meet.

2229
01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:43,800
There for dinner or.
Something if you got a way to

2230
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:47,320
get down there and meet for,
yeah, I could do that, in fact.

2231
01:51:47,600 --> 01:51:49,880
Let's see if we can get some
live performances up in there.

2232
01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:54,040
Let's write some.
Songs first I'm.

2233
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:58,080
Down for that man I'd love.
To do that, I'll come jam with

2234
01:51:58,120 --> 01:51:59,160
you.
Right on.

2235
01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:01,000
Cool, let's do.
It cool I.

2236
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:02,200
Sent you my.
I sent you my.

2237
01:52:02,200 --> 01:52:04,120
Cell when you when you
disappeared, I, I emailed you

2238
01:52:04,120 --> 01:52:06,040
and said where did you go?
So my cell number's in there.

2239
01:52:06,040 --> 01:52:08,480
So if you respond back to that
with yours, I'll share I'll

2240
01:52:08,480 --> 01:52:10,760
share it with Mike and then
we'll all group text and say

2241
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:13,240
hello and and then just keep in
touch and you know like I said

2242
01:52:13,240 --> 01:52:15,040
when you when you're getting
ready to come to Arizona, man

2243
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:16,800
reach out.
You know, I sure will.

2244
01:52:16,920 --> 01:52:18,880
Definitely.
Who's in Arizona?

2245
01:52:18,880 --> 01:52:20,680
You.
I mean, I'm Chris is in Arizona.

2246
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:22,440
Mike's in Illinois.
I'm in Illinois.

2247
01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:24,960
OK, Chris, I'll.
Be in in.

2248
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:28,240
Arizona in about less than a
week and I'll just reach out to

2249
01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:29,480
you and let you know when I'm
there.

2250
01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:30,720
Absolutely.
And we'll see if.

2251
01:52:30,720 --> 01:52:33,000
You and when I get back, Mike,
you and I will get.

2252
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:35,360
Together whenever.
Because I'm here all the time.

2253
01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:36,960
Yeah, we'll plan a day for sure,
man.

2254
01:52:37,680 --> 01:52:41,160
There you go, I want to say.
Yes, first I want to say thank

2255
01:52:41,160 --> 01:52:43,040
you Laura for this, this
interview.

2256
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:44,760
Absolutely.
See Laura.

2257
01:52:44,760 --> 01:52:46,920
The bomb.
Laura is really the bomb.

2258
01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:50,920
I want to thank Charles Swift,
my record company, Wicked

2259
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:53,160
Entertainment.
But more importantly, I want to

2260
01:52:53,160 --> 01:52:57,120
thank all my fans because, you
know, without, without my fans,

2261
01:52:57,120 --> 01:53:00,280
none of this would be possible.
And I, and I love the fact that

2262
01:53:00,280 --> 01:53:02,800
they love my music.
And I'm going to keep doing

2263
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:08,400
music as long as I can.
And, and #1I thank God for, for,

2264
01:53:08,400 --> 01:53:10,360
for all of this happening.
There you go.

2265
01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:12,680
What's the best place?
People can find you online.

2266
01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:18,080
You can find me online at.
We Lemoine, alexander.com,

2267
01:53:19,360 --> 01:53:21,600
Google search, Lemoy and
Alexander.

2268
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:27,120
You can go to Spotify, Apple and
everywhere in the world.

2269
01:53:27,200 --> 01:53:29,120
All you have to do is just type
in the name.

2270
01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:33,400
LEMOYNE Alexander.
There you go.

2271
01:53:33,880 --> 01:53:35,360
Hey, we always.
Wrap our show up like this.

2272
01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:37,280
If you're having a bad day,
don't let the bad days win.

2273
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:38,960
Somebody Loves You.
Somebody will miss you if you

2274
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:40,320
take your life.
So don't do that.

2275
01:53:40,840 --> 01:53:42,600
If you need somebody to talk to,
you can go to the Google

2276
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:45,600
machine, find somebody that then
they could listen to your and

2277
01:53:45,600 --> 01:53:48,000
help talk you off that Cliff or
reach out to family and friends

2278
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:49,680
because you never know.
They actually do want to hear

2279
01:53:49,680 --> 01:53:53,120
from you and they will help you
overcome whatever trauma you're

2280
01:53:53,120 --> 01:53:54,960
dealing with.
That moment in time for Chris

2281
01:53:54,960 --> 01:53:56,440
and Mike.
This is the Chris and Mike show

2282
01:53:56,440 --> 01:53:59,360
for the world's world, famously
Moon Alexander.

2283
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:01,520
Dude, such a treat having you on
the show, man.

2284
01:54:01,640 --> 01:54:04,000
Thanks for doing this man Damn.
Nice meeting you.

2285
01:54:05,560 --> 01:54:07,640
Yeah, and and we don't look.
At this as an interview, we look

2286
01:54:07,640 --> 01:54:10,440
at it as a conversation because
that's just how we roll, man.

2287
01:54:10,440 --> 01:54:12,480
So anytime you want to come back
on and have a conversation with

2288
01:54:12,480 --> 01:54:14,080
us, let us know.
We're happy to do it.

2289
01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:15,760
Yeah, after your albums been out
for a little.

2290
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:18,800
Bit give it a couple months and
reach out to Chris again, let us

2291
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:21,640
know how the albums doing, what
kind of reaction you got, what

2292
01:54:21,640 --> 01:54:23,840
you're up to.
Okay, yeah, I sure will.

2293
01:54:23,920 --> 01:54:25,200
I will reach out.
To you guys as soon.

2294
01:54:25,200 --> 01:54:29,320
As the album is once again,
yeah, Once it's done and looks

2295
01:54:29,400 --> 01:54:31,480
like this, we'll reach out to
you guys.

2296
01:54:31,480 --> 01:54:33,120
Yeah, because I want to buy one.
Yeah, I.

2297
01:54:33,120 --> 01:54:34,440
Want one too?
Absolutely.

2298
01:54:34,440 --> 01:54:37,320
You got it no problem.
Guys, hey, have a great man

2299
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:38,800
have.
A have a great man, have a great

2300
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:40,200
day.
Anything you need, just reach

2301
01:54:40,200 --> 01:54:42,320
out and then like I said,
respond to that e-mail and we'll

2302
01:54:42,320 --> 01:54:45,120
exchange all our digits and and
we'll start in touch and and

2303
01:54:45,120 --> 01:54:46,520
make the world a better place to
live in.

2304
01:54:47,200 --> 01:54:48,640
You got it.
Thank you guys.

2305
01:54:48,760 --> 01:54:51,360
Thank you, have a good weekend.
Peace, you too.

2306
01:54:51,400 --> 01:54:52,400
Love you.
Love you love.

2307
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:53,560
You, Mike.
Love you too brother too.

2308
01:54:54,080 --> 01:54:59,600
Bye man.
We're clear, we don't want to

2309
01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:04,200
fly in this up to you.
Look the temple.

2310
01:55:07,640 --> 01:55:09,560
You're insane.
Feel the tears.

2311
01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:18,560
Open your eyes on your journey.
This is the place where you will

2312
01:55:18,600 --> 01:55:23,320
go.
Feel the trail behind your eyes.

2313
01:55:23,320 --> 01:55:29,760
Feel the soul and meet you.
Take a moment.

2314
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:33,920
Look until you see him.
Fight the battle.

2315
01:55:34,120 --> 01:55:39,560
That's you for the Squeers.
Fight the battle, but you for

2316
01:55:39,600 --> 01:55:49,080
queer who is your baby to your
fear.

2317
01:56:49,880 --> 01:57:03,580
The.
Come down here.

2318
01:57:03,620 --> 01:57:07,740
We haven't found Sally and see
the sand.

2319
01:57:07,860 --> 01:57:12,220
You can fight him.
Wait for the dead.

2320
01:57:13,660 --> 01:57:14,860
When?
He's closer.

2321
01:57:14,940 --> 01:57:18,980
I've been hit by.
The wind, you ain't no creature.

2322
01:57:19,860 --> 01:57:24,460
We're playing smiles and you
should you quit on the almighty

2323
01:57:24,660 --> 01:57:27,160
days.
How to dream?

2324
01:57:28,280 --> 01:57:35,000
Who in your life to keep our
soul in every man.

2325
01:57:35,320 --> 01:57:41,560
Take the turn behind your eyes.
Feel the soul evolution now.

2326
01:57:41,680 --> 01:57:49,800
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.

2327
01:57:56,400 --> 01:58:27,950
Take
your moment.