#115 - Joesf D. Glaude - Musician/Songwriter

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OK, so I can't hear the music
Michael is playing.

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Is it on the live button I put I
fixed.

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That OK, there it is.
We can't hear it though.

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I know everybody.
Yeah.

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I'll put it in.
What's up there, boys and girls?

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This is the Chris and Mike.
So I'm Chris.

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He's Mike.
Our special guest today is

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Joseph.
He's a rock'n'roll musician.

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We're excited to have him here
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check them out.
Tell Brian we sent you Joe.

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How?
Joseph?

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How the heck are you, man?
Yeah.

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I'm doing pretty good actually.
It's been a good day so far.

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Thank you for coming on the
show, Joseph.

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I'm super excited to have a
musician on here so.

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Actually I've been enjoying your
your YouTube videos.

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So.
Oh, right on.

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Thank you very much.
Yeah, he.

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Has been following us on YouTube
and Instagram for quite a while,

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so thank you for that.
On Instagram, you're talking to

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me, on YouTube, you're talking
to him.

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So from both of us, thank you
very much.

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And so give give our listeners
and our viewers a little bit of

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a story about who you are, what
you do, and all that kind of fun

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stuff, my friend.
OK, we're going to tell you I'm

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a musician, I teach.
I tore COVID sort of blew the

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sails out of that and trying to
get back on the on the road

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again.
What?

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Kind of touring musician, your
own music.

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Are you original?
Material.

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OK, I do studio work.
I actually played for an

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orchestra for a while.
Guitar.

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Mandolin.
And I would like to say not to

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interrupt you, but I equally
enjoy following you.

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That's why we know each other so
well, because I enjoy all your

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videos and your tidbits about
music and those things are very

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inspirational to me.
So thank you very much on my

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behalf as well.
You're welcome.

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So, but yeah, just, you know,
music has always been been a

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part of my life from time I was
a kid, You know, I was born at

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the time when they used to sing
the bass, you know, the priest

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would come out and sing what we
were doing.

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My grandfathers were both
musicians, so.

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So yeah, just after I heard The
Beatles, I knew I wanted to be a

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musician.
It was Elvis who made me want to

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play guitar.
I didn't realize it was actually

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Scotty Moore, but I thought
Elvis was just totally badass.

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Absolutely, we all did.
OK, OK, So you just dropped

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something that I didn't know.
So Elvis didn't play the guitar.

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He.
Played rhythm, but Scotty Moore

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played all those licks that
everybody knows and loves from

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those songs like Jailhouse Rock
and Hound Dog.

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The cool guitar parts were all a
guy named Scotty Moore because

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you always had a lead guitar
player, right?

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Yeah, right.
Usually the guy standing up

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front is your rhythm player.
That's not always the case, but

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traditionally he's the rhythm
player.

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That was Elvis.
But you know when you watch the

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comeback special, the 68
comeback special, man Elvis tore

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it up.
He was a great guitar player.

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That's why I want to be careful
to say, yes, Elvis played

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guitar, but Joseph's right that
that was Scotty Moore playing

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all those cool licks on the.
Album the comeback specials when

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it was the one where he's like
kind of in like a round.

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Yeah, OK.
Black leather suit.

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Right, right.
OK.

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That's what I thought.
Yeah, yeah.

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There's a little bit every now
and then.

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I've seen little tidbits of the
of behind the scenes from that.

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I remember my mother watching
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When Elvis died, they played it
again on NBC or CBS and you

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know, everybody was so sad.
But that was the one that they

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played was the comeback special
in the black leather suit.

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So I remember seeing that as a
little kid.

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I was supposed to see Elvis in
77 when he died.

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My family was in Maine.
I had tickets and we were in St.

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Francis, ME when we heard that
the King had died.

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And I remember Mom and Dad
pulled over the side of the road

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and my mother started crying.
And I was just like, I just, I

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couldn't, I couldn't imagine it,
you know?

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Elvis is gone.
And so for and so for the for

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the young, the youth that
listens to us, wrap your head

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around this concept.
There was no social media when

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Elvis was alive, No.
There was.

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Nothing there was fairly records
right and.

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He and he was right, and he was
known around the world.

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I mean, that death impacted
everybody around the world

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because it was everybody knew
who he was or knew the name,

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whereas now, you know.
So you know what's what's crazy

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is when I've toured now, I I I
give online lessons.

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I've got students in India.
Really.

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Yeah, it's crazy.
I got a banjo student in India.

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Right on.
And he asked me, I've got these

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people asking me if I can teach
him Elvis music.

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Still nice.
Yeah.

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What what amazes me is so many
of my students, young kids,

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we're talking like 15/16/17,
they want to learn music from

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the Sixties, 70s and 80s.
I kind.

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Of yeah.
And I could kind of see that

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because music back then was it
was it was, it was.

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I don't want to slam it, but it
was more genuine, right?

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You, you, you, yeah.
You had to pick up the

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instrument of play.
It wasn't all computerized and

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like the crap you can do now.
AIO you see these ads pop up?

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Oh, hear yourself sing Alice and
change your own voice.

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No, not to.
Interrupt you, Chris, but I like

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where you went with this.
Let me ask you this, Joseph,

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because for the ladies and
gentlemen who are listening,

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Joseph is a real musician.
He understands music theory.

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He teaches you what you need to
know.

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I play by ear and I know what
people want to hear, but I don't

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know why, right?
I couldn't explain a lot of the

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theory behind it.
I just want people to

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understand.
That's what fascinates me about

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you, as you understand the
theory and can teach it.

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Would you not say that with all
the digital, the advent of the

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digital age, all this
quantizing, you know, snapping

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it to the grid takes away from
the feel of the music, Correct.

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Absolutely.
Absolutely.

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It does.
You know, and I tell people all

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the time because, yes, I'm an
educated musician.

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I went to school for this.
Yeah.

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I played with an orchestra.
I can tell I was a hired gun

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back in the day.
Actually wrote a book.

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What's the book?
What's the book?

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What's the book?
What's the plug?

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Your book, Joseph.
Oh, OK.

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It's called creative guitar.
You, you, you.

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You can find it on band camp.
Joseph Claude at band camp.

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OK, so if somebody Googles your
name and says creative guitar,

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they're going to find it.
Yeah.

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OK, cool.
Yeah, well, this is all about

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you've watched this enough.
Now that you know, we're

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conversations, we're not
interviewing.

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But anytime you have something
you want to share that's

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relevant to who you are and can
help promote yourself and or

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your product, by all means man,
share it.

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Oh yeah, plug away.
That's why we're here.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, so creative guitar.

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That's cool.
That's cool.

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Keep going.
Keep going.

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Yeah, it's the book discusses
scales, chords, modes,

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arpeggios, and.
And I've run into too many

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teachers.
You've got the kid who can strum

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a couple of chords, thinks he
can teach, OK, He can get you

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started, OK, But he doesn't know
technique, so he's going to

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limit his students, OK?
I've got teachers who are more

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concerned about keeping around
for the next 10 years.

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You know, I'm more interested in
teaching you in such a way that

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you can teach yourself and
you're going to become a great

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player.
There's always going to be

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someone to replace you when you.
Get you going?

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Probably 40% of the way that you
can get somebody going, 90% of

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the way, right?
So I can teach somebody.

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I know where all the notes are.
I know your basic scales, your

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basic chords.
I know what it takes to control

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an amplifier at Max volume.
So I can teach you technique.

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You know, these are all things
that Chris and I have talked

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about.
There's levels of being a

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musician, right?
You start off, you're a student,

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obviously.
Then you play practice in your

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bedroom.
Like you said, Hopefully you get

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good enough to teach yourself.
Then you join a band and you're

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playing in the basement and you
might get lucky enough to play

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some parties, right?
Then you're standing at a pizza

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joint, you know, on a Saturday
night and playing for two

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people.
And then you get to the point

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where you were, you were playing
with an orchestra, right?

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That's the real deal.
You're a paid musician at that

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point.
A lot of times you're a union

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member.
That's, that's as good as it

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gets.
When you get to that point, your

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technique has to be spot on and
people don't understand what it

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takes to control an amplifier at
a very loud volume without

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annoying everyone that's there.
Right, right.

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I tell you what was funny.
And then suddenly Shorrock

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always said you need a balance
of both.

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You need to know your theory,
but you also have to have a feel

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for the music.
Correct.

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OK, I played in an orchestra
with with a guy named Joe.

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He was a phenomenal player.
You could drop a piece of music

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in him, in front of him.
He nailed it.

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OK, I'm a slow reader.
I'm just going to be honest.

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He could just.
He nailed it, pulled the page

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away.
He.

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Couldn't play a note.
He couldn't play a note.

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He couldn't really what he just
played Wow, you know that is.

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Crazy.
I know it.

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I never understood that.
How can you play it right from

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the page but you don't
internalize it?

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And yeah, you don't retain it at
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Because his brain associated
muscle memory with looking at

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those notes on that staff.
Yeah.

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Interesting.
Yeah, and how sad was that?

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Pretty sad, yeah.
I just jammed for 20 minutes

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while I was waiting, you know,
we had a little transition,

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obviously.
So while Chris went and did his

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thing, I picked up my guitar and
wrote a couple songs.

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Just came to me out of the
universe, yeah.

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Yeah, and you have to be open to
that, man.

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I tell people all the time,
music theory is just a road map

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to get somewhere.
You know, I'm going to give you

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a great Chet Atkins quote.
Chet Atkins had created the

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Nashville sound.
He had created country music in,

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in my mind, country guitar.
I agree.

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He then went to college and
studied guitar.

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The unfairness of it all is he
came out better than when he

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went in.
I just think that was just not

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cool.
But so he comes out and someone

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asks him, So what did you get
from college?

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He said.
The knowledge that I could have

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saved myself 30 years of trying.
I had just gone to College in

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the first place.
We all come to the same

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conclusions.
It's out there.

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Right.
Yeah.

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You know, but how do we get to
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Sure, you know, but but yeah,
you know, you know, I want my

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students Joe Pass.
I took a master class with Joe

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Pass and we had this one guy.
He was like, hey Joe, I practice

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like 2023 1/2 hours every day.
I take my food intravenously.

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I sleep for like 12 minutes so I
could just keep playing guitar.

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And I know what just went on on
about how much he practiced

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because what can I do to get
better?

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And Joe said get a life.
Put the.

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Guitar down, go out and meet a
girl.

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Go smell the roses.
Yeah, you know.

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That was going to have a yeah
experience because the the the

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best songs are written based on
an experience you've you've

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you've shared with someone or
you've gone through yourself.

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Otherwise it's just stale and
stagnant and boring.

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That was actually the best
advice I got, too.

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I had one of my teachers tell me
the same thing.

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It's a given that you have to be
able to play if you want to be

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in a band, right?
Yeah.

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So it's the life's experiences
that you're going to have to

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draw from that's going to make
you unique next to the guy who's

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playing next to you, right?
It's those experiences that make

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you Joseph, and you, Chris and
me, Mike, right?

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Yeah.
I have my own personality on a

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guitar.
I'm sure you do, too.

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Chris has a very unique voice.
People don't forget it.

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That's why they came back.
Yeah, and you know, playing

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this, playing a song, I don't
play any song.

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I do like the original artist.
I love that.

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I'm not.
I don't bend strings.

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OK, I'm.
I'm a jazz guy, you know, I'm a

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Bender.
Yeah, I'm a Bender.

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Yeah.
I use really heavy strings.

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And we would do the song
Stairway to Heaven.

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OK, I don't do that.
Cool.

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Bam.
Better I slide into it.

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OK, There's my cheek.
All right on.

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Dude.
You know, do the first.

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Part of that again, that was
badass.

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See, I love that you stayed true
to the intent, but you played it

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your own way.
Yeah, that's fantastic, man.

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If you ever watch Jimmy Page, he
does it that way, too.

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Not not he does the dad, but I
saw an interview with him.

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He said he did not realize that
he wrote an iconic riff, said

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the first time they played that
song and he didn't do the Bam

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Bam, said the crowd was visibly
disappointed.

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Really.
Absolutely, because that's the

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that's what sucks you into the
solo.

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Yeah, so he's said that, so I'd
go back along the song.

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Says from the guy that wrote the
song.

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That's crazy.
Yeah, one of the greatest ever,

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for sure.
Yeah.

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But he did like 10 or 15 takes
before he heard one that he

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liked.
Yes.

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Yeah, that's the one we'll use.
That's cool.

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That's a good story.
Yeah.

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So.
And to me, what makes it even

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great greater is, you know, I
tend to sit down and write

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things down.
I get some things.

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I get an idea, and I'll write it
in my head and I'll eventually

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write it down on paper.
OK, man, these guys and and I

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improvise, OK.
I do improvise, don't you think?

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I don't.
I go into the studio, I record

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the song.
Everything after the primary

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melody is all just
improvisation.

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Right on.
OK.

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But man, to just go in there and
just this iconic, you know, he

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uses the, the, the pentatonic
scale.

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He's not jumping into ultra
dominance.

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He's not using Mixolydian.
He's just he's doing this with

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the pentatonic scale.
I've noticed that about him too.

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OK, so, so for those people that
are listening that will and

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watching that will listen to
this, what is a pentatonic

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scale?
It's.

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Only 5 notes instead of seven,
plus the active.

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OK, right.
So the major scale is 7 notes

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plus the octave.
So we'll say you have 8 notes to

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play with on a normal.
You know what we all consider as

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musicians?
A normal scale.

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The pentatonic scale is only 5
notes.

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It's like the blue scale most
people would call it.

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OK, good, good.
Now you referenced the studio

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musician, all that kind of jazz.
Joseph, what, what kind of how

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long you been doing, how long
you been playing guitar to begin

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with?
You kind of, we kind of didn't

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really talk about that.
I actually.

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Got my first guitar lesson in
1973.

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OK, I was three years old.
I I.

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Was born.
I joined my first band, a punk

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rock band called Tropical Skin
Disease.

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I love it.
Yeah, in 1979.

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And then of course, you know, I
went to college, studied when I

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was in college, you know, in the
80s, I started playing, you

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know, in, in, in small classical
groups.

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I started learning classical
guitar, OK, jazz guitar.

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So I'd say technically I've been
playing, I'd say professionally

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since about 1980.
That's awesome.

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I got to work with bands like
the Platters, got to work with

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America, and all these guys are
such really cool guys.

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Yeah.
So, so yeah, yeah, being, being

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a, being a hired gun was a lot
of fun.

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The bad thing is there's even a
movie called Hired Gun, and some

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of these guys are bitter because
they thought, well, when I'm

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done, they're going to hire me
to be with them all the time.

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I'm going to be part of that.
No, you got a paycheck bro.

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Let me tell you a quick story,
Joseph.

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One of the saddest things I ever
learned, and it was within the

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last five, maybe 10 years, one
of my favorite solos in the

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world is the solo on Train kept
a rolling from Get Your Wings by

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Aerosmith.
And that is neither Brad

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Whitford nor Joe Perry.
That's two studio musicians and

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I cannot remember their name and
everybody's screaming right now.

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It's these two guys.
I just can't remember their

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names.
But it was so sad to me because

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I always thought that badass
solo that was one of my favorite

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ever was Joe Perry, and he just
wasn't up to snuff at the time

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to be able to cut the solo.
Yeah, that's what I got hired to

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do.
A lot of times, you know, they

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need a mandolin player, banjo
player or bass player, whatever

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they would, you know, And it's
it's funny how many people came

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in to do their song and, you
know, you don't get the credit

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and I don't care.
You know, I'm, I'm.

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But that kind of kind of a funny
story with with Glenn Campbell.

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OK, the song Rhinestone Cowboy
was released before Glenn

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Campbell, but he made it a hit.
He said yeah, because I believed

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in the song and that's what made
a difference, he said.

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I believed in the song.
Just like Jimi Hendrix and All

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Along the Watchtower, nobody
knows Bob Dylan wrote that song.

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Unless you're a big Bob Dylan
fan or you're a musician, right?

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Yeah.
That's right.

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And again, there's some songs
that you know, the remake and I

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appreciate Dylan.
I love Dylan OK but man, Hendrix

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version of lots of his version
of Hey Joe, it's the definitive.

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Version he made it his he.
Made it his SO.

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And The funny thing about about
Hey Joe, every time I meet

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somebody named Joseph, I want to
be like, Hey Joe, hey.

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And.
I and I always say, I bet they

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never heard that one, right.
Let me ask you this.

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What do you think it is?
Because there we went down a

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road where there's a lot of
musicians who can play live and

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they're good enough to do that,
but when they get in the studio,

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they freeze.
I've never really understood

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that.
I didn't really have that.

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You know, I just play.
So timing is timing to me.

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I don't really care where I'm
sitting.

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I might have to do a couple
takes of it, you know, I might

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have to do 20 takes of it, but
I'll get it.

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What do you think it is that
makes people just when the

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record button goes they can't
perform?

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It's because we know it's going
to be there.

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You know, I do much better live
than I do in the studio.

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Well, I think everybody.
I yeah, yeah, yeah, agree with.

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That I would agree with that.
Because you're feeding off the

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crowd, you're feeding off the
energy.

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You know, right?
You're seeing the faces and the

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look.
Peter Frampton Listen to Peter

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Frampton's studio albums.
Terrible.

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Do you feel like we do?
Yeah.

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Do you feel like we?
No.

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Listen.
To kisses studio albums versus

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their live albums.
Yeah, same thing.

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Can't do it.
Yeah, Peter Frampton, man, kiss.

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They need to be in front of an
audience, man.

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Their live stuff is the best,
hands down.

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So.
But it's funny because Pete is

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even worse.
See, I don't understand SO.

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What kind of bands have you
toured with Joseph?

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Country bands, rock bands, Blues
bands, jazz groups.

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Mostly Canadian or United
States.

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Actually, a lot of American
bands, yeah.

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Best experience on the road with
a band?

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Wow.
There's a couple of them

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actually.
I did the Taylor Rd. show with

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some really good guys.
We would whine and complain the

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whole time about playing.
Then we get back this, get back

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to the motel room, we start
playing guitar together.

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The guy, the guys in.
I learned a lot.

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From from Jerry Beckley and
Dewey Bunnell with with with the

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band America.
They talked about how we're

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indebted to our fans.
They were just there and they

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were just nice guys.
I screwed up one time royally on

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stage.
They just made it a joke.

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Oh nice, they.
Didn't fire me, they didn't go

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and beat me up, they didn't push
me out of the bus.

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They just it was a joke.
Did they did they razz you on

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stage or was it after the show?
Yeah, really.

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Really.
Oh, yeah.

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OK.
You gotta, you gotta drop that

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story, man.
That sounds interesting.

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Yeah, we're doing.
Don't cross the river.

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And yeah, the Banjo park banned.
Little little walk up.

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I know.
OK.

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I got to the part where I'm
swiftly all alone and I just

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froze.
I didn't know what I was

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supposed to do.
And they turned around and

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looked at me and I just kind of
shrugged my shoulders and went

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back.
Don't play the banjo if you

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don't know the chords.
That's awesome.

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Yeah.
That's the worst.

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When you're standing on stage
and you have that, your brain

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just freezes.
Yeah.

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Actually happens to everybody if
you're human, if you're human.

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And that's the difference
between AI music generation and

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human music Generation 1.
Thing I'll tell you is a lot of

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people don't know
scientifically, music is one of

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the only activities on this
planet that uses both

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hemispheres of your brain at the
same time.

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Right when when you're freezing,
it's one side of your brain

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locking up, not knowing what to
do.

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We're not sure if it's the
physical or the subconscious at

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that point, you know, but that's
what's happening is 50% of your

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brain's like, but we're not
quite sure what's going on at

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the at this moment in time.
I did not know that.

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Oh, yeah, I do crazy research
about stuff like this.

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You, your your conscious mind
cannot distinguish between,

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between playing two different
chords.

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So going from AD to AG, that's
all rope muscle memory, right?

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It's coming from your
subconscious, which is why you

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can talk while you're doing it.
You can sing while you're doing

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it.
Yeah, you can watch TV, I'm sure

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while you're practicing like I
do.

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I'm watching TV all the time,
right?

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Just.
Listen to what's.

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Going on.
Sure do.

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And I encourage my students to
do that because I want to be.

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Second nature.
How many students do you have

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right now, Joseph?
Right now I've got about 40.

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Wow, how many of those are
online?

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Actually, online, I've got 11
students online.

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OK, OK.
OK, that's cool.

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So and so the 40 that you that
you have face to face, they're

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all, they're all where you're at
in Canada.

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OK, actually in Canada, Oklahoma
from you.

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I'm now in Oklahoma.
OK, cool.

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So how's that?
That's a dramatic change from

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Canada, Oklahoma.
Yes, it is very.

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00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,320
That transition.
Yeah, yeah.

456
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,280
But you have that journey.
Yeah, actually, I've been around

457
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,360
for a long time in, in in the
States.

458
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,840
My father used to work for NASA.
NASA, NASA.

459
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,000
Wow.
Did you ever see the movie

460
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,800
Apollo?
Apollo 13?

461
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,120
Absolutely.
About 10 times.

462
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,160
So my father was one of the 11
men that got them down.

463
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,640
My father did 9 work.
Right on and.

464
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,120
Yeah, and I, I've never said how
does a man that smart have a

465
00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:13,720
wind up monkey like me for a
kid?

466
00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:16,920
You became a creative intellect
man, Yeah.

467
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,920
Yeah, something else.
But my my father is one of the

468
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,080
most amazing men I know.
I was having trouble with my

469
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,400
car.
I did.

470
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:30,080
I had a 2005 Ford Focus.
I was driving and get getting

471
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,560
some problems.
I called my father goes yeah,

472
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,440
I'm having having some issues
with the car.

473
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,440
He goes, well, how close are you
to home?

474
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,560
I said 3 or 4 hours.
He goes come on home, let me

475
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,880
look at it.
Got home pumped out in the

476
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,720
bonnet says turn it on.
He listens for a second.

477
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,320
I bet it's this.
He takes the car apart and he

478
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,960
goes over to to his bench, takes
his part out and he cleans it

479
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,240
up, does some filing on it, puts
it back in the car and never had

480
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:56,960
another.
Problem.

481
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,320
Wow.
OK, but.

482
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,560
This is my dad.
I bought my first car in 1979.

483
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,360
OK, I thought, hey son, let me
see the keys.

484
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,680
Sure.
Dad gave him the keys.

485
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,160
Bad decision.
Got up the next morning, went

486
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,520
out to the car, the body was off
the chassis, the engine was on

487
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,120
newspaper all.
It was literally a brand new,

488
00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:20,640
not a brand new used car.
Brand new car.

489
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,000
OK.
So I just want to see how it

490
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,200
worked.
Wow, it's a brand new car now to

491
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:28,680
show that I'm not terribly
bright.

492
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:35,320
Right. 2015 I bought a Honda
Civic brand new right off the

493
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,640
showroom floor.
You gave your dad the keys.

494
00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:41,240
Gave my dad the keys and I went
upstairs because my mom and dad,

495
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,480
my father had me come to
Virginia so we could look at the

496
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,560
car, so we could buy the car.
And mom asks, well, where's your

497
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:49,600
father?
He goes, oh, he wanted to look

498
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,400
at the car because you know what
he's doing, right?

499
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,520
I went downstairs and sure
enough, he's taking the engine

500
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,480
apart.
Wow, it's a dad.

501
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,320
It's a brand new car stop now
because I'm just checking out

502
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,960
the air filtration system.
But he put it back together,

503
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,040
right?
Yes, he did.

504
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,960
OK.
And it's still, it's still red,

505
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,640
right?
It's still running.

506
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,000
It's still I I gave it to my
nephew.

507
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,640
It's got over 300,000 miles on
it.

508
00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:17,520
We got that.
Back from the moon, yeah.

509
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,120
Yeah, we had a problem with our
wash with our with our washing

510
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:23,720
machine one time.
So my genius self, I decided to

511
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,600
YouTube it.
So I learned there was a video

512
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,280
on YouTube that was specific
specifically related to the

513
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,440
problem we were having.
So my son and I, we took it

514
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,840
apart and did what we had to do,
put it back together and I had

515
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:39,080
three screws leftover.
Don't know how, don't know why

516
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,480
it's it still ran.
It ran perfectly fine, but

517
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,560
there's 3 screws that ended up
being the byproduct of us taking

518
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,840
that apart and fixing whatever
the the issue was.

519
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,320
So I'm not that mechanic
inclined person either.

520
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,800
So luckily he didn't have you
put it back together like that

521
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,320
episode on Happy Days way back
in the day right when he was

522
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,400
blind.
And then he took his bike apart

523
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:58,640
and made him put it back
together.

524
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,800
That would have sucked.
Because then I'm going to be

525
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:02,560
like.
What?

526
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,760
I'm not a mechanic man.
Nor am I.

527
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,600
Can you hold on for one second?
Absolutely.

528
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,600
OK, Hold on.
Be right back.

529
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,120
Yeah, we take breaks all the
time, man.

530
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,520
Yeah.
We're actually supposed to have

531
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,360
a pause button, but.
Oh that would be fun.

532
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:24,200
I haven't really researched how
that works yet.

533
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:24,960
How?
That works.

534
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:33,480
We will just let Joseph have a
little break there and tell

535
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,400
everybody go to the YouTube
channel and hit that subscribe

536
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,840
button and head over and over to
the Instagram and the Facebook

537
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,200
can do the same thing.
Yes, and and when you subscribe

538
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,280
on YouTube, you're going to get
notified every time we drop a

539
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,520
new show or a new short.
There you have it.

540
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,760
Which always excites me because
I get to go look at them.

541
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,000
I'll see.
Right on.

542
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,480
Good transition.
Joseph, thank you.

543
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,480
So let me ask you this.
You did or you released a clip

544
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,640
the other day on Instagram, you
were doing White Rabbit

545
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,520
acoustically.
Where was that at?

546
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,120
That was a great version.
I loved it.

547
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:13,520
Thank you.
We were at a place called

548
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,320
Frank's Tavern in Bixby.
OK, OK.

549
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:18,960
See now.
I know you're in Oklahoma.

550
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,280
I'm like, I can't believe these
guys are playing Jefferson

551
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:28,480
Airplane in Oklahoma in 2025.
Again, people and, and and we're

552
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,640
always trying to do like unusual
things.

553
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,600
Every cover band does all the
same music.

554
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,480
OK, I want to do something
unusual, so we're going to do

555
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,360
White Rabbit, we're going to do
Stairway to Heaven, we're going

556
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:42,680
to do Hotel California, you
know, because.

557
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,080
Yeah.
But you had to find somebody to

558
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,520
sing White Rabbit, so give her a
plug because she did a fantastic

559
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,880
job.
Raven is a phenomenal singer.

560
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,400
I like the the other girl that
I, I did an album with that we

561
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,320
did a Blues album called Shades
of Blues and I worked with a

562
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:05,920
girl named Nova who's an amazing
Blues singer and we finally got

563
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,360
her off, got her head on
straight.

564
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,120
But but yeah, that that album is
my first vocal album and I'm

565
00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:16,400
planning on doing another one.
Not with me singing.

566
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:17,960
You really don't want me singing
me.

567
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,560
Neither.
Yeah, but the the other album,

568
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,320
in fact, you can see my shirt.
Turntime Creek Wildlife Rats.

569
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:25,920
Huge.
OK, yeah, yeah.

570
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,000
Unplug.
That for sure.

571
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:32,280
Yeah, so.
So, yeah, Big, big, big.

572
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,840
And Animal Aid.
You know, I'm not an animal

573
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,880
rights person.
I don't think animals are just

574
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,480
us with fur.
Thank you for that.

575
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,040
OK.
But no animal should be abused.

576
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,160
Agreed 100%.
OK, couldn't.

577
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,760
Agree more, you know.
I mean to me cows or

578
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,840
cheeseburgers with legs.
Thank you.

579
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,000
Agreed.
And you know, but, but we don't

580
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,920
have to torture the animals.
Absolutely, you know.

581
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,920
I I grew up, grew up, you know,
working on a farm and not on my

582
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:02,160
farm.
Mr. Adams and hire site and the

583
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,000
Brailers, I was come over and
work on their ranch.

584
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,920
So I did that kind of work
before, and I learned I wasn't

585
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,080
good at that because I was there
when Pickett was born.

586
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,800
And when it came time to butcher
pickle, well, that wasn't a cow.

587
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,160
That was pickle.
That's why, yeah, we live in, we

588
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,920
live in horse property.
And that's one of the things

589
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,760
like my wife would never, if we
got a cow, it would be mute

590
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,360
because we couldn't, I couldn't
butcher it because she would

591
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,840
become friends with a cow.
Yeah.

592
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,120
Like, she's not going to grow.
She's not going to raise

593
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,520
anything that we're going to
eventually eat.

594
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,120
So I feel you on that one.
Right.

595
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:37,200
So while Turpentine Creek, they
actually take abuse.

596
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,440
Lions, tigers, bears, all kinds
of animals.

597
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,120
Jen there are more tigers
privately owned in the United

598
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,760
States than in the wild.
I do, Thanks to Joe Rogan, Yeah.

599
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,440
And you can't take care of them.
No, unless you're Mike Tyson.

600
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,640
Unless you're Mike Tyson.
So the last album I did was

601
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,640
called Rescue to Refuge.
OK.

602
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,200
Every dime of that album.
And I did all the

603
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,160
instrumentation myself, recorded
it and paid for it.

604
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,920
Everything, every dime from that
goes directly to Turpentine

605
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,520
Creek.
OK, Not to me.

606
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,800
To them it goes, yeah, we set it
up so they can go through.

607
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,600
So.
So there's no chance that I'm

608
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,360
going to be pocketing anything
from this.

609
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,640
I didn't even want the adherence
that I might be doing that.

610
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,720
And that's in Oklahoma.
That actually Turpentine Creek

611
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:38,080
is, is in Eureka Springs, AR OK,
and they are fantastic.

612
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,240
I've talked to these people for
a long time.

613
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:45,000
One of the reasons we support
them so much is their goal is to

614
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,880
make themselves obsolete.
They know that that if they can

615
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,960
stop the the animal trafficking,
sure, then they're out of a job

616
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,960
and they're OK with that.
That's a good way.

617
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,640
To look at it, yeah, absolutely,
yeah.

618
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,040
Yeah, I don't think it can be
stressed enough what he said.

619
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,160
I'm going to say it again.
There are actually more tigers

620
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,400
in captivity in just the state
of Texas alone than are

621
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,360
remaining in the rest of the
world.

622
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,360
Yeah, that's insane.
Just in the state of Texas

623
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,360
alone, yeah, that's the
statistic.

624
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:25,040
Yeah, and I've tried to explain
to people, OK, you know, OK, so

625
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,280
I'm going to get political for a
second.

626
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,360
They're all lying douche bags.
OK?

627
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,720
I don't care which side of the
aisle they're on.

628
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,080
I.
Couldn't agree with you more.

629
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,400
I think Chris is in the same
boat.

630
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,920
Yeah.
They're all lying douchebags.

631
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,600
They tried to get something
passed called the Big Cat

632
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,560
Protection and Safety Act.
OK.

633
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:46,640
The wrong guy was president, so
the opposition party made sure

634
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,680
it didn't pass.
See, that's just that's, yeah.

635
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,640
Yeah, the people who are
supposed to be.

636
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,800
I said.
I'm not naming names here, but

637
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,000
the people who are supposed to
be on the side of the animals.

638
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,400
Well, the wrong guy was in
office OK when people finally

639
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,520
got and.
It's the people that are just

640
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:06,800
supposed to be on the side of
the people.

641
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,200
Politicians are elected
officials that are supposed to

642
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,400
be a voice for the everyday
human being, not for their own

643
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,800
agenda, which is completely
turned and flipped that way,

644
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,000
which is nonsense because that's
why you have a countries in such

645
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,480
like disarray most of time,
because you have it's, it's,

646
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,120
it's like you said, it's all
about me, me, me, me, me, me.

647
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,080
It's, it's what I want.
It's a big beautiful bill.

648
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,920
Well, the big beautiful bill is
going to make you it looks

649
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,080
stupid and it's going to affect
millions and millions of people,

650
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,360
just like Obamacare did, just
like they.

651
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,520
They never just look at what's
good for the person we.

652
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,720
We play teams as well, which is
stupid.

653
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,600
I was a history teacher and a
couple of my favorite

654
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,360
presidents.
One of them was a guy named John

655
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,400
Tyler.
He inherited the presidency from

656
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:52,480
who?
I don't.

657
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:58,760
Recognize John Tyler's name.
I've got the year like 181840,

658
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:05,480
OK, around that time.
So he was thrown out of his own

659
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,520
party.
Oh, because he would not carry

660
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,720
what?
He had no party, OK.

661
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,280
Nobody wanted to be his vice
president.

662
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,880
His entire cabinet quit.
He kept saying crazy stuff like,

663
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,640
well, that's a breach of my
authority.

664
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,880
Well, that's not in the best
interest of the American people.

665
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:23,520
I like this guy.
That's not crazy.

666
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:24,760
That's.
Unconstitutional.

667
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:29,200
Yeah, I know he was.
And, and when he left, he said,

668
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,960
well, the American people wanted
them back because no, politics

669
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,320
is no place for men of
character.

670
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,240
No it's not.
Absolutely agree.

671
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,560
With you and it's really not.
That's a great quote.

672
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,320
And, and people keep thinking
that, you know, oh, I voted for

673
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,080
so and so because he's a man of
character, because no, you

674
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:47,560
don't.
No.

675
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,560
That makes me laugh harder than
anything that they actually

676
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,480
think that there's going to be a
difference.

677
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,960
Yeah, Ronald Reagan himself said
said that no man becomes

678
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,400
president by being the good guy.
No, absolutely not.

679
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,040
Another great quote, no?
That's a great quote.

680
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,960
Yeah, no.
Because all, all, every single

681
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,920
president that's ever been a
president is a sociopath.

682
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,320
They know how to manipulate the
system.

683
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,040
They know how to convince you
that they're the one.

684
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,600
I mean, they're, they're a
sociopath, which is just a step

685
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,360
away from being a psychopath
because they can completely

686
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,639
control, manipulate every
situation they step into.

687
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,280
Obama became president not so
much of his of his policies, but

688
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,239
because he was a very
charismatic speaker.

689
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,679
He couldn't help.
Obama could.

690
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,040
Lie better than most people tell
the truth, right?

691
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,239
Right, because you just, he was
that he was a slick oil

692
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,400
salesman.
You just were captivated by his

693
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,199
his speech and his speaking and
his public speaking.

694
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:39,159
The ability was was second to
none.

695
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,520
Clinton could convince you that
he didn't have sex with Monica

696
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,719
Lewinsigan on his death, that
she just went down on him.

697
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,960
Really.
Because we all know that part

698
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,560
never leads to the other, right?
But he he basically convinced an

699
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,639
entire country that he did not
have sex with that a woman and

700
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:57,120
made it OK, right.
From a political standpoint, you

701
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,240
can have oral engagement with
anyone and there's nothing wrong

702
00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:02,200
with that.
Well said.

703
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,200
This is our president at the
time, two term president.

704
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,320
And, and let's be honest, the
way he presents himself, you

705
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,280
still want to go out and have a
beer with him, don't you?

706
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,800
Right, exactly.
Exactly.

707
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,480
I want to do mushrooms with that
guy.

708
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:20,440
Start talking.
Yeah.

709
00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:23,680
Yeah, it's.
Yeah, right.

710
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:24,720
Oh my gosh.
And.

711
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,600
Then we have George, George
Junior, who is basically a

712
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,880
fraternity brother who became
president.

713
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,960
And it's like it's, it's, it's
just, it blows my mind.

714
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,760
Mike and I are not huge in.
Politics, but yeah, don't have

715
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,840
I'll.
Talk politics with anyone who

716
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,000
will talk politics like we are
right now, right?

717
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:41,920
Yeah.
Comments.

718
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,120
I had some compliments.
You can't discuss religion and

719
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,840
politics because people don't
think rationally.

720
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:51,560
They react emotionally.
I'm tired.

721
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,080
You said that.
I've never heard it put that

722
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:53,560
way.
That's.

723
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:56,960
True, though absolutely I.
Had a friend of mine guys play

724
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,640
Bandwidth back in the 80s.
OK, our buddy Mikey voted for

725
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:02,880
Reagan.
OK.

726
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,520
OK.
I shouldn't be using names.

727
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,040
OK, They're going to watch this.
Well, it's OK.

728
00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:13,920
We had another friend.
We're playing music together.

729
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,640
Yeah.
He now unfriended him on

730
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,480
Facebook.
I hate that shit.

731
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,160
OK.
And blocked him.

732
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,520
I said why?
Why'd you block?

733
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,240
Because he voted for Reagan.
Yeah, we knew that in 1984.

734
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,120
I just heard a story about a
mother and a daughter.

735
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:32,440
It was either a mother and a
daughter or mother and a son.

736
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,120
It's a family friend, but they
don't speak to each other.

737
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,440
It's a friend of a friend, I
guess, but whatever.

738
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,520
Their relationship is fractured
for like the last 10 years since

739
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,760
Trump was a president the first
time.

740
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,720
They've never spoken to each
other since, just simply for the

741
00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:53,240
fact that the mother voted the
way that the son didn't want.

742
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:54,520
I can't remember which way that
he was.

743
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,080
She was you.
Know it's crazy.

744
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,760
I've had two friends since 1980.
OK.

745
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,640
My friend Sadiq is a Muslim from
Afghanistan.

746
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,160
Our other mutual friend, Namir,
is a Jew from Israel.

747
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,920
OK.
Every time I go to the East

748
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,000
Coast, we still get together and
have coffee.

749
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,000
Do you know what we agree on?
Nothing.

750
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,040
Don't even like our coffee the
same way.

751
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,920
OK, Sadiq and I yeah, we got
into it one time over.

752
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,960
He was so excited to have a
Muslim president, and I said,

753
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,000
well, who would that be?
Oh, Obama.

754
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,080
He went to the same madrasa as
my cousin.

755
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,000
Son said this.
Well, he says he's a Christian.

756
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,920
No, no, no, no.
He's a you know what It doesn't.

757
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:35,320
Matter.
Equals to believe that.

758
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,920
Yeah, it doesn't.
Hurt me, Let me.

759
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,720
Believe you, we're still
friends.

760
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:43,480
Yes, and and we will argue
politics, religion, and we'll

761
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,440
get loud and obnoxious when it's
all done.

762
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,200
We're still friends.
Yeah, have we not forgotten how

763
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,240
to agree to disagree?
We have, right, Everybody's

764
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:56,760
forgotten that because everybody
just reads the headlines.

765
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,360
They just read the clickbait.
They all the news stories are

766
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,000
exactly the same.
They got the headline and the

767
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,640
you, you, if you click it,
you'll realize whatever that

768
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,520
headline is, it doesn't make any
relevance to the artificial

769
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,520
article itself.
But they have to make you click

770
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,760
on it because there's no
attention span anymore.

771
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,400
You're not selling newspapers,
so everything's online and like.

772
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,080
Joseph said earlier, one of the
things that I always commend

773
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,600
Chris on and he commends me on
the same thing last night, I

774
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,720
think it was last night, maybe
the night before, we had to have

775
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:28,360
some a serious conversation
about some serious subjects,

776
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,160
right?
And it might have taken two

777
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,120
other people two weeks to
accomplish what we accomplished

778
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,480
in an hour and 10 minutes,
right?

779
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,080
Because it's like, I agree with
that.

780
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,600
I disagree with that.
And here's why.

781
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,720
Well, here's my position, right?
And then we would we'd move on

782
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:47,400
to the next thing.
It's we have forgotten that

783
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,880
everybody who's doing what
they're supposed to be doing, a

784
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,520
productive member of society.
You're not hurting anybody else

785
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,160
doing what you're doing.
You are entitled to your opinion

786
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,680
as a human being, right?
We all only have one life.

787
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,040
That's right, we're.
All terminally ill.

788
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,720
Do you really want to live in
some homogeneous dystopian

789
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:08,280
society?
No.

790
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,160
No, Fuck no.
My wife and I don't.

791
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,040
I'm I'm a religious Catholic.
My wife is an agnostic.

792
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,840
I'm with your wife.
I'm open to possibilities.

793
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,200
That's right.
You know, and we talk about

794
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,440
things and you know, she makes
fun of me sometimes for being

795
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,720
for going to Mass, and I'm OK
with that.

796
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,240
Makes you happy, right?
Yeah.

797
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:34,120
Because she's totally hot.
No, I mean going to mass makes

798
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:35,880
you happy.
Right and.

799
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,480
It improves your life, correct?
Yeah.

800
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:39,760
So then you should keep doing
that.

801
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,520
That's always my.
I'm not a religious person.

802
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,320
I I have my own views, but I
always, I'm careful to say if

803
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,560
that's what makes you be Joseph
that's sitting here talking to

804
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,960
me, then by all means keep doing
it.

805
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,440
Yeah, you know, I said there's
supposedly there should be no

806
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,400
peace in my home.
But no, we, you know, because

807
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,240
there's a lot of things we agree
on.

808
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,760
Actually, we're both.
Both my wife and I both love

809
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,240
heavy metal.
OK, right.

810
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,400
On That's a great common ground.
I love it.

811
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,040
My wife looks like she should be
teaching Bible study at a

812
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,120
Baptist Church.
She is more metal than me.

813
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,200
I love it.
That's awesome, kudos to your

814
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,040
wife.
I'm friends with you both

815
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,600
already, just now we all have
common ground.

816
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,280
That's my go through music as
well.

817
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,520
How long have you and your wife
been married, Joseph?

818
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,160
We've been married for We're
going on six years.

819
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:32,840
Right on and together.
How long?

820
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,400
Eight years.
OK, right on.

821
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:36,760
I.
Never thought I'd get married.

822
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,560
I was happy single.
Yeah.

823
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,440
OK, I feel your love.
Yeah.

824
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,040
And I just, it's funny because
we ran into each other at

825
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,000
Village Inn.
Oh, right on.

826
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,240
It's right here.
And I had a book.

827
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:50,440
I was just going in to drink
some coffee, have some breakfast

828
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,480
and read.
And I started to talk and I

829
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,120
decided to buy her breakfast.
Oh nice, so you met in the

830
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:56,760
lobby?
We met in the lobby.

831
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,880
Right on.
At the same time you went in to

832
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,120
go have breakfast.
Yep.

833
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,880
And so who?
OK, so who approached 2 first?

834
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,480
Well, she noticed that I had a
book.

835
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,040
She was on her way to see her
doctor.

836
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,120
OK.
And she the doctor said, oh, we

837
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,040
got to wait a couple hours and
gotcha.

838
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,640
So she has, she just mentioned I
just man, I wish I'd brought a

839
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,320
book because I need to kill some
time and I don't know what I'm

840
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,760
going to do.
I said well have breakfast with

841
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,280
me.
Oh, right on.

842
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:19,520
Yeah, great.
Comeback.

843
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,480
Yeah.
So how long?

844
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,040
How long did breakfast last?
Two hours.

845
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,600
See, I was, this was, that's why
I asked that question, because

846
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,640
if it's meant to be that
breakfast wasn't like a, you

847
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,680
know, a 30 minute thing, it went
and then so a 2 hour breakfast,

848
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,120
where'd you go from there?
I went over to my, she doesn't

849
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:37,600
know this.
I went over to see my buddy

850
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,520
Jared and I said dude, I think
I've met my future wife.

851
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:41,520
Outstanding.
Man.

852
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:42,200
That's awesome.
That's cool.

853
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,680
I was kind of joking, but at the
same time, you know.

854
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,240
You just knew.
I just kind of knew.

855
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,240
Yeah, see, I have the same kind
of thing with with Nikki and I

856
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,800
like I stopped looking, pursuing
chicks and stuff.

857
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,320
I was like, I'm just going to
focus on the music.

858
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:57,880
That's it.
That's, you know, I'm done with

859
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,000
women because I had shaved my
head and realized that a bunch

860
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,440
of women, you know, at that time
in 93 just were shallow because

861
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,080
nobody shaved their head, right.
And I looked legitimately like a

862
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,000
Skinhead.
It's and then had no knowledge

863
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,680
of skinheads.
But I would wear this red and

864
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,280
black flanneled checkered
flannel with Doc Martin boots

865
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,240
and blue jeans and, you know,
shaved head, right?

866
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:21,280
And they have this scowl.
This is 1994, right?

867
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,960
So it just it just it just made
it made me look like, oh, this,

868
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,680
this guys just mean and evil.
And then I met her and she blew

869
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,320
me off for a couple months.
But I realized then that we went

870
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,880
out like, OK, this chicks not
shallow.

871
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,400
You know, I would have people at
the shows, Joseph, who were

872
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,920
afraid to talk to him.
And I'm like, he's a big first.

873
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,520
First off, he's a big teddy bear
and he's a fucking goofball.

874
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:45,520
You know, he looks so mean.
I'm like, yeah, he does.

875
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:46,920
He looks really mean.
He's not.

876
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:50,280
But.
Yeah, but 30 years, 30 years

877
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,920
together, 29 married and we got
married a year the day of our

878
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,360
first date and we actually had
the conversation about about

879
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,600
marriage on our first date.
So I feel that story that you

880
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,360
just when you know, you know,
and it's you're, you're blessed

881
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,200
to have that some people are and
some people aren't.

882
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,360
It's just, it's one of those
things like my son, he's like,

883
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:08,800
oh, I want a girl from Dude,
stop looking.

884
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,000
Just let it happen.
Yeah, just let it happen

885
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,440
organically.
It will happen when it's

886
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,840
supposed to happen.
See, and what was funny, this is

887
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,600
the kind of woman I married.
OK, so I've got a couple of

888
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:21,800
condos.
Right.

889
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,120
And I was living in one of them.
And I know that she wanted to

890
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,560
live in a house.
She didn't want to live, you

891
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,400
know, based on my department
life.

892
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,440
Sure.
And so I was looking at places

893
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,480
and I realized, man, I'm not
sure I can afford this.

894
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:34,880
And I told her that she goes,
you know what?

895
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,760
As long as we're together,
that's all I care about.

896
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,160
Nice.
And I said, I'm buying that one

897
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,440
in a house.
And I yeah, I bit the bullet.

898
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:47,120
I went out.
My father, great man, he

899
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,840
actually loaned me half the
money so we could just pay cash

900
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,040
for the house.
Nice.

901
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,200
Paying him back right on at a
better interest rate than the

902
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,720
banks would have given me like
1.9% interest.

903
00:43:57,720 --> 00:43:59,320
Nice.
It's like, yeah.

904
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,880
So again, the awesomeness of my
father.

905
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,120
Yeah.
But, you know, she she didn't

906
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,840
care that you know, OK, so we'll
live in your, your, your condo,

907
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:10,640
your.
Condo, yeah.

908
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,640
So did you sell the condo?
No, I still have them confused.

909
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,440
Kind of investment properties.
Yeah, I I need to get rid of, I

910
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,280
need to get rid of rid of two of
them.

911
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,240
Yeah.
I tell you, man, tenants feel

912
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,200
entitled and they will not pay
rent and they'll have their

913
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,640
excuse in the world not to pay
rent.

914
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,200
Yeah.
I don't think they realize that

915
00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:35,200
I still have financial
responsibilities.

916
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:35,960
Yeah.
Exactly.

917
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,680
And people think because I own
properties, oh, you got to be

918
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,200
rich, no.
No, no, people don't.

919
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,400
Yeah.
See, I I sell house.

920
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,080
I've been selling house 25 years
in Arizona.

921
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,120
So I get that.
I you, you preached in the

922
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,600
choir, man.
Yeah, they just, they just don't

923
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,240
get it all.
And then the same the struggles

924
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:52,280
we have now as people think,
well, Rachel, you're going to

925
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,000
come back down to 3%.
No, they're not.

926
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,160
They're not.
Well, the market's going to

927
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,000
crash.
No, it's not.

928
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,520
It's it's not.
You don't understand.

929
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,680
And especially in Arizona, we've
not stopped building since World

930
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,160
War 2.
We're not, we're not crashing

931
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,720
like that's it.
It's just we may slow down when

932
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:11,800
we have ebb and flows, but it
it's not and I have this, it's.

933
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,160
Always constant, right, year
over year.

934
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,640
Right, Exactly, exactly.
And the stuff that's being

935
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,920
dropped down here in the valley,
like we have an Indian, Chinese

936
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,760
and Indonesia building this
massive microchip plant in the

937
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:27,240
north part of the valley that
is, is creating thousands of

938
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:29,840
jobs and they're all educated
engineers.

939
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:32,720
They just don't, well, our
market's stale.

940
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:34,880
It's not stale.
You just you don't understand

941
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,360
it.
So you're listening to the click

942
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,160
bait headline.
You're reading that one little

943
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,040
headline supply.
It weighs demand, but really it

944
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,640
doesn't.
It's I can go on for hours, but

945
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,920
I won't bore you with it.
But people, it's the it's the

946
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,680
perception of the public
thinking because of of the click

947
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,240
bait headlines and and hearing
a, a, a little bit of a story

948
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:57,120
and not listening to the rest of
or not reading all of the

949
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,960
article.
They ought to make those

950
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,680
assumptions which are so far
off.

951
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,160
Center insane.
They go to, they go to where

952
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:05,560
they're going to hear their
opinions.

953
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:07,960
That's so true.
Yeah, right.

954
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,440
And.
I'll tell you what I read a you

955
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,200
talk about, you know, just
reading headlines.

956
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:18,000
I saw a headline where a 17 year
old kid died with COVID and I

957
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,320
was going, man, I thought
specifically that didn't happen.

958
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,440
So I read the article.
Well, yeah, died with COVID.

959
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,240
They left out in the headline
that he got shot in the heart

960
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:28,560
and kidney robbing a liquor
store.

961
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,200
While while having COVID.
While having COVID.

962
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,600
OK.
Which is, yeah, which is why he

963
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,280
died in the hospital, because
there's not, yeah, there's not

964
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,720
been a single person that died
of COVID outside the hospital.

965
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:40,800
It's on record.
So.

966
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,680
But that's.
But say you go prime example.

967
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,560
Read the article people, not the
headline.

968
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,920
And do your own independent
research.

969
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,360
Right.
Another thing that I like to

970
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,960
say, Joseph, is I will decide
what my opinion is, right?

971
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,480
You're not going to give me my
opinion.

972
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,120
Yeah.
Unless you're my father, maybe

973
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,880
you know your parents get away
with a couple.

974
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,120
Yes they do.
But, you know, outside of that,

975
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,000
I'm going to decide what I'm
going to do, and I will have my

976
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,840
own opinion about things.
You hit the nail on the head.

977
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,200
You can figure out who somebody
is by watching their television

978
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,080
for sure, right?
If they watch Fox News, they're

979
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,240
conservative.
If they watch CNN, they're

980
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,880
confused.
If they watch MSNBC, they're a

981
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,160
Democrat.
I mean, if there's no, there's

982
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,560
no in between.
And those people tell them what

983
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:23,920
they're supposed to believe
every day.

984
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,480
Inhale it.
Yeah, Joe Rogan's the most

985
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,600
reputable guy in my opinion.
Because.

986
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,280
Because he tells it like it is.
He tells it like it is, and like

987
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,680
Chris and I, he's not afraid to
say he was wrong about

988
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,480
something.
I always like to say like he

989
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,120
does.
I'm not married to any of my

990
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,840
ideas.
I used to say it differently,

991
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,480
but that's a good way for people
to understand it.

992
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,800
You could change my mind about
something that I've thought the

993
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,920
same way about for 20 years just
by giving me a logical

994
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,640
explanation as to why you
believe what you believe, right?

995
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,000
I'm that kind of person.
I will accept your explanation.

996
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,520
It'll rattle around in my head
and it might be 3 minutes, 3

997
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,120
days, three hours later, 30 days
later, I'll call you up and say,

998
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,640
hey, you know what?
You were right, and here's why.

999
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,120
And again, you how do we know
what we believe unless we know

1000
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,800
what someone else believes?
Right.

1001
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:22,360
True, that's a great point.
Yeah, so I, I, I consider I've

1002
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,320
been fortunate, you know, and
and again, all the different

1003
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,160
influence traveling.
OK, when I was in I play sitar.

1004
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:32,400
The guy that my sitar was a.
Great instrument, I always

1005
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:33,560
wanted to learn how to play
that.

1006
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,680
Man dude I love my sitar.
It was built by the same guy

1007
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,520
that built Robbie Anoushka and
George Harrison's sitar.

1008
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,880
You don't have it there where
you can play it, do you?

1009
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,120
No, I don't.
OK, but you can hear it on the

1010
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,560
song Sugar in the Raw for Skip
album.

1011
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,480
Yeah, OK.
It's it's the first time I got

1012
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,240
to pull that puppy out.
OK, so now you brought up your

1013
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:55,280
your your albums.
Where do people find your music

1014
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,520
catalog?
Actually, I'm on Spotify,

1015
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:03,640
Pandora, I'm on all streaming
audio, OK, The album I always

1016
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,680
tell tell everyone that they
have Amazon.

1017
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,200
It's on Amazon, Yeah.
OK, I.

1018
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,360
So that all they got to do is
search your name and though

1019
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:12,680
it'll pop up.
Yep.

1020
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,600
OK, cool.
And how many albums have you

1021
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,040
released?
I think 15.

1022
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:20,800
OK, wow.
And.

1023
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,960
Some of them are classical, some
of our new age.

1024
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:28,640
A lot of them are jazz.
OK, yeah, I'm actually talking

1025
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,520
about right now about doing a
movie soundtrack.

1026
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,760
So do more orchestral.
Movie soundtrack 4.

1027
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,400
Just an independent film, OK.
So what do you know what the

1028
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,640
film's about?
No, I don't.

1029
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,640
I just.
Did you ever see the movie or

1030
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,920
the TV series?
Lucifer, yes.

1031
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,440
OK, my wife loved that show.
Oh, me too.

1032
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,760
Well, originally that was an
independent film called Dead Act

1033
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,880
for the Devil.
Oh no shit.

1034
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,720
Yep.
And I talked to the guy who who

1035
00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:05,280
because the guy used my father's
62 vet in the original.

1036
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:08,200
Really.
And so I met the guy.

1037
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:13,080
He asked me to write a piece to
to present as a possible for

1038
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,720
writing the soundtrack you want
with somebody else.

1039
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:22,120
But the the last song, the song,
the song that I wrote was

1040
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,280
actually a piano piece called
Autumn Suite.

1041
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,920
And, and so, yeah, I got to play
piano and keyboard and stuff and

1042
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,400
do cool voice things because I
love that kind of stuff.

1043
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,640
OK, this guy's a lot like The
Moines.

1044
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,480
How many instruments do you
play?

1045
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:44,000
Really, I'm only proficient on
about 17, OK, you know.

1046
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,240
This conversation was over.
I thought you really knew how to

1047
00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:48,960
play.
Yeah, we're done.

1048
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,120
We're done.
And you can't play 20 or more

1049
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,080
than.
Holy crap.

1050
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,920
So what can't you play?
What can't you play?

1051
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:03,480
I can play things like trumpet
and and French horn stuff, but

1052
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,600
my armature's really bad and I'm
not real good.

1053
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,400
On the Turpentine Creek album
The Rescue, the Refuge, I have

1054
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:15,200
one song.
It's piano, cello and flute, and

1055
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,560
I played all those instruments
right on.

1056
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,960
But I list myself as average on
most of those.

1057
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,480
Well.
Of course you do, because all

1058
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,040
musicians are humble.
If if you know if that's.

1059
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:25,880
Not what's?
Your top five strengths.

1060
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:30,400
I'm pretty, I'm pretty just
average, but guitar, bass,

1061
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:35,560
banjo, mandolin, I play the
buzuki, the Bella laca and the

1062
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,920
sitar, kind of the things that I
I play most often.

1063
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:40,880
Have you ever messed around with
a pedal steel?

1064
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,320
Yes, I love it.
Not good.

1065
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,200
Not good at all.
What?

1066
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,080
Is the difference between
playing that as a stringed

1067
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,800
instrument?
Everything you named was a

1068
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,120
stringed instrument and I
understand why because I can

1069
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:59,480
play mandolin and I can't play
banjo, but I can play bass and

1070
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,320
guitar and a little bit of
drums.

1071
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,240
I can keep like 3 beats but I
understand how all the other

1072
00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:07,720
instruments worked.
What is the difference when you

1073
00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:10,720
lay it flat and now you have
pedals to operate?

1074
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:14,080
Is it more like a piano?
The. 8 strings, most of them

1075
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:18,080
have 8 strings and the tuning is
generally to a chord, so.

1076
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,800
So there's some simplicity here.
It's really more about the

1077
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,920
pedals working the pedals right.
OK.

1078
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,160
And I could never get a good
feel for that.

1079
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,280
I've been watching slash's
journey on Instagram.

1080
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,280
I don't know if you have.
I haven't.

1081
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,200
That's an estimate.
He's been learning to play for

1082
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,160
the last several years while
they've been out on this massive

1083
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:38,880
tour.
You know, the reunion thing?

1084
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,360
Yeah, he's spending his
downtime, you know, because he

1085
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,160
quit drinking and smoking and
doing drugs.

1086
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:47,240
So now his downtime is spent.
He packs this thing and sets it

1087
00:52:47,240 --> 00:52:50,240
up in every motel room, or you
know, in their case, hotel rooms

1088
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:54,200
that they're in.
Slash is, you know, I love that.

1089
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:00,400
OK, you know if you ever analyze
that song, it's AD chord.

1090
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:06,720
I never thought about that.
You're right, it is.

1091
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:14,320
Yeah, even the lead.
Oh, interesting.

1092
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:20,240
But it's so tasteful.
Yeah, yeah, Slash Slash is a

1093
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:22,480
genius.
It goes back to what you said

1094
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,480
way back in the beginning.
It's not what you're playing,

1095
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:26,840
it's how you're playing.
How?

1096
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,680
You're playing Yeah, BB.
King could say more with one

1097
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,280
note than most shredders could
say with 50, right?

1098
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:33,920
Yeah, that's right.
B.B.

1099
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,080
King played 13 riffs his entire
career.

1100
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,800
Really.
I've actually graphed them for

1101
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,320
my students to show that.
Right on.

1102
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,240
But he never played them the
same way twice.

1103
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,400
Because it was all about how he
felt at that moment in time.

1104
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,960
Yeah, amazing.
Yeah, I just, you know, listen

1105
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:55,800
to his version of of Dust Mite
Broom versus Sweet Little Angel.

1106
00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:01,040
He used the same riff, but his
phrasing is so different in each

1107
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,560
one.
Phrasing is everything.

1108
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,200
Eric Clapton is a master of
phrasing.

1109
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,680
Nobody phrases better than Eric
Clapton.

1110
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,600
Slow hand.
Slow hand.

1111
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,560
Yeah, and that's one thing that
I always, you know, I, I don't

1112
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,280
brag myself up much, but that's
one thing.

1113
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,960
I don't have a lot of technical
ability and I don't have all the

1114
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,520
tools that a lot of schooled
musicians do.

1115
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,200
But the one thing that I did
have was a great

1116
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:30,080
singer-songwriter and the
ability to make people feel what

1117
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,320
I was feeling at that moment in
time as well.

1118
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,560
You know, I don't understand
that note.

1119
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,880
To make it.
Hit you right, you know.

1120
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,840
Yeah.
Obviously, because I got

1121
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,440
compliments from this guy all
the time, so that was my

1122
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,320
audience.
Yeah, Tim Renwick is one of my

1123
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,200
favorite musicians artists.
No, but ultimately you're the

1124
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,800
one that had to sing to my
music.

1125
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,560
Sure, in the end, right?
So sure, in the beginning you

1126
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,000
were my audience.
Yeah, yeah.

1127
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,240
What did you, what did you, what
did you just mention Joe Joseph,

1128
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:00,360
something about somebody named
Tim?

1129
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,240
Yeah, Tim Renwick, He was a
guitar player for the song Year

1130
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:08,320
the Cat, the electric guitar.
But he was also played the flute

1131
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,400
and saxophone for Pink Floyd.
And he toured with The Hollies

1132
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,800
as the piano player.
But he played drums for Peter

1133
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,360
Gabriel.
The guy does, like, freaking

1134
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,760
everything.
OK, They asked him one time.

1135
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,120
And I actually recently had
another point to all that and it

1136
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:26,800
just flew.
Oh.

1137
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:30,120
So do you remember the song?
He ain't Heavy.

1138
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:34,120
He's my brother.
Yeah, I remember the title of

1139
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:34,960
it.
I remember the name of it.

1140
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,400
I don't remember.
The song the piano player on

1141
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,600
that was not Tim Renwick, It was
Elton John.

1142
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,280
Tim Renwick could not get the
sound that he wanted.

1143
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,680
And so he went out to get some
coffee and he heard a guy in

1144
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,320
another studio playing.
And he went, hey, what are you

1145
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,880
doing right now?
I was like, well, nothing.

1146
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,960
I went, come on back here.
And he showed him the song play

1147
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,760
this, this, and said that was
the song that he wanted.

1148
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,120
It wasn't important that Tim
played it.

1149
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,320
It was important that the song
sounded right.

1150
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,520
Yes, absolutely, yeah.
I hope that I'm I'm better

1151
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,120
because I think no, I can do it.
I.

1152
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,120
Took that lesson away from Eddie
Van Halen.

1153
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,880
He said it 100 years ago.
He says you got 7 notes, 8 if

1154
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,560
you count the octave right.
How do you mess them up is your

1155
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,000
business.
If it sounds good, it is good

1156
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:28,760
it.
Is good.

1157
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:32,240
Basically what you said earlier,
theory is a road map.

1158
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,320
There's no problem with learning
it.

1159
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,640
But that's not going to make you
play with emotion, right?

1160
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,960
It's not going to make you.
It's not going to make you have

1161
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:44,480
the ability to portray what
you're feeling out to your

1162
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:45,160
audience.
Yeah.

1163
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,440
Those are the people that make
my, you know, everybody calls

1164
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,920
ACDC the most simplistic band
ever.

1165
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,680
Go try and play that right.
Yeah.

1166
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:55,600
It's.
Not as easy as it looks.

1167
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,840
Yeah, simplistic doesn't mean
easy.

1168
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:01,000
No, no.
And you're.

1169
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:05,720
Allowing it to breathe, yeah.
Yeah, and some some of the

1170
00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:07,600
simplest things in the world are
hard to get right.

1171
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,520
Yeah, I always tell people it's
way harder to play slow than it

1172
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,960
is fast.
It is hard to play slow, that's

1173
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,880
why I make all my students play
slow.

1174
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,160
Thank.
You, you just proved my point.

1175
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,320
You know, I consider myself a
decent teacher, but you know,

1176
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,120
coming from you, when I say
things like that and somebody

1177
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:32,400
reiterates it, it just, it gives
me hope that I was doing the

1178
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,320
right thing all along, right?
Because to me it is way harder

1179
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,120
to play slow.
You got to wait for the beat to

1180
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:38,880
come around all the time.
Right.

1181
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,800
And it you have to be more
dynamic.

1182
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,960
Dynamics are a big thing.
Yeah, talk about Eddie Van

1183
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,800
Halen.
Eddie Van Halen even thought

1184
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,880
about pit direction.
Yep.

1185
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,960
Oh, you know, go back and listen
to Running with the Devil.

1186
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,840
You know, the way he uses his
pit.

1187
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,920
And I, I always kind of knew
that, but I heard him talking

1188
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:01,720
about that.
He said no.

1189
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,200
You got to think about these
things.

1190
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,400
His right hand was very
percussive.

1191
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,240
He thought about it like a
drummer.

1192
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:11,400
Yep, exactly.
You know, and some some of the

1193
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,200
best guitar players started off
as drummers.

1194
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:17,560
I wanted to be a drummer, but my
will, you know, my ability to do

1195
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:22,080
so, my wanting to do so far
outweighed my ability to do so.

1196
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,480
That's what I always tell
people.

1197
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:27,000
Yeah, yeah, I when I first heard
The Beatles, I told my mother I

1198
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,920
wanted a drum kit and she goes,
well, just ask for the Christmas

1199
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:32,760
and I did.
You know what I got that

1200
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:33,400
Christmas?
A.

1201
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:35,640
Drum kit.
A harmonica?

1202
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,920
Oh.
Because Father Christmas didn't

1203
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:44,440
want the noise I'm.
Guessing so, but I still play

1204
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,240
harmonica.
Right on.

1205
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,760
That's funny.
Yeah, we might hit you up for

1206
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,200
that when we try and recreate
the song that you're going to

1207
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,040
hear at the beginning.
Oh, great.

1208
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:55,280
Freeman.
Freeman.

1209
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,160
Yeah, yeah, I will drive all the
way out to.

1210
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,000
Arizona to do it.
It'd probably.

1211
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:02,480
Be in Illinois.
Illinois.

1212
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,600
OK, I can get Illinois.
Yeah, it's the digital age, man.

1213
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,640
I'm just figure out how to make
it happen.

1214
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,880
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, Ivy was recorded in two

1215
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,760
different studios.
They even filmed it in two

1216
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,000
different studios.
Well.

1217
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,520
I and A lot of because we talked
about Guns and Roses a little

1218
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,400
bit, a lot of what the usual
Illusions albums were filmed in

1219
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,800
pieces, right, Right.
They weren't even talking to

1220
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,560
each other at the time, correct.
You know, and then you had COVID

1221
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:30,200
hit and so many bands were, were
recording their pieces at home

1222
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,760
and then and then digitally, you
know, recording it, then

1223
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,600
emailing it to the next member
of the band to do their part and

1224
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,680
piece it all together.
And then they just the, the

1225
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,600
beautiful thing about technology
is they can just, you know, put

1226
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,200
it all together and create this
one magnificent sound.

1227
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:48,560
Yeah, yeah.
And you know, I, I did a lot of

1228
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:49,880
that.
I recorded a lot of my stuff in

1229
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,640
one studio.
Yeah, over to Lewis's finished

1230
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,000
up there.
The the the guy.

1231
00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:00,960
The guy, in fact, on the Shades
of Blues album, all the Hammond

1232
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,280
B3 organ I recorded at church
studios.

1233
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,000
Oh.
So and and actually the song

1234
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,160
spiked from the Rescue to Refuge
album.

1235
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:12,960
I had the song and I wanted a
Hammond B3.

1236
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:18,040
Shipped it all over to church
studios, sat on the Hammond B3,

1237
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,600
really played it out that.
Sound.

1238
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,160
Yeah, me too.
It's a great sound.

1239
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:28,000
That is so rock'n'roll, and if
people at home don't know what

1240
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,720
that is, you can think a lot of
REO Speedwagon is loaded with

1241
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:33,960
Hammond.
B3 that is a great example.

1242
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,160
Good job Mike, because sometimes
I feel like we talk over

1243
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:38,720
people's heads.
So that was, that was an

1244
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,800
outstanding example because I
ought to make like in here our

1245
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,760
Speedwagon when I had now, yeah.
When it's not the piano, it's

1246
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,320
it's the Hammond B3.
Yeah, that's cool.

1247
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:50,560
That's such a big instrument
too.

1248
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,560
It's such a great and not big,
but I mean, sound wise, it

1249
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,200
fills.
It fills the space, Yeah.

1250
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:00,000
By the way, in the world of
coolness, I'm a big Dan

1251
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,320
Fogelberg fan also.
Oh.

1252
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,960
Good for you, me too.
I got to play on it.

1253
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:09,480
Church Studios has his his grand
piano and I got to play his

1254
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,240
grand piano when we recorded the
song Bloomy Sunday.

1255
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:15,240
That's awesome.
Yeah.

1256
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,720
So.
So if you look at the Shades of

1257
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,880
Blues album, that's and, and I
was nervous when I started to

1258
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,480
plan on that thing because I'm
going Dan Fogelberg's fingers

1259
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,480
have been here.
Yeah, probably the song that

1260
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,440
people would know from Dan
Fogelberg first and foremost

1261
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,360
would be longer for sure, right?
Yeah, Oh yeah, yeah.

1262
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,440
With Glenn Frosting in
background and Joe Walsh playing

1263
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,240
guitar.
Russ Conkilon percussion.

1264
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,080
I did not know Joe Walsh played
guitar on that album.

1265
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:41,400
Yeah.
Or on that song.

1266
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:42,200
Excuse me?
Yep.

1267
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:43,920
Well, that's awesome.
Yeah.

1268
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,160
The Eagles were a backup band
forever with Linda Ronstadt, so

1269
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,120
I wouldn't be surprised if there
are all kinds of studio

1270
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,240
musicians, you know, session
musicians.

1271
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,480
Back in the day, people would be
in the studio and say, hey,

1272
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,400
you're doing that.
Can can I set in?

1273
01:01:58,400 --> 01:01:59,680
Can I do this?
Yeah, there.

1274
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,600
Wasn't all these publishing
rights, and I did this and you

1275
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,480
did that, and they weren't
fighting about that.

1276
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,840
They were trying to do what was
right for the music back then.

1277
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:10,960
Yeah, Yeah.
Well, we had like, yeah, like

1278
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,120
Mike mentioned earlier, we had a
a gentleman on in Lemoine

1279
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,920
Alexander who's, you know, hip
hop producer now he's doing his

1280
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,360
own rock'n'roll thing, but same
thing.

1281
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,600
He just, he just incorporated
all different kinds of things

1282
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,520
when he was doing his producing
thing just because to make it

1283
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:28,760
sound better and, and to create
a better space filling for the

1284
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,160
music.
And there wasn't, there wasn't

1285
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:32,640
all the nonsense of, oh, you
can't.

1286
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:36,800
And he was approached by so many
fantastic artists to work with.

1287
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:38,920
And some of them he just said no
to because he didn't want to

1288
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,560
like crush his his opinion of
that artist because there was

1289
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:47,360
such a high level right, Which I
think is is cool.

1290
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,640
But also I would have like
jumped at those chances.

1291
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:53,280
But it's just, it's indicative
of the respect you have for

1292
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,360
musicians at your level that
have, have have made this a

1293
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,920
career.
And you just, you want to be

1294
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,760
involved, but you want to make
sure it's involved for the right

1295
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,240
reasons, you know?
I'd say it's sometimes scary

1296
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:08,920
meeting some of these people.
I can see that because they're

1297
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,080
not the people you want them to
be.

1298
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:13,600
Right.
True story.

1299
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,960
Yeah, we encountered that too.
Yeah, yeah.

1300
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:19,320
Yeah, cool.
Stories though, and I always

1301
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:25,080
like the happy story.
Nokie Edwards was the guitar

1302
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:29,560
player for the Ventures and I
was at the NAMM show working

1303
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,760
with Morgan Guitars and we were
doing this little round Robin

1304
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,160
playing.
This guy walks up and he goes,

1305
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:38,440
hey, do you guys mind if I sit
in with you and I recognize him

1306
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,840
because, you know, I'm a big fan
because yeah, sure, We're just

1307
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,280
all having a little fun here.
And he sits in and we ran around

1308
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,640
a couple times.
He didn't play any lead, just

1309
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,720
played the rhythm because I'm
just, I'm OK.

1310
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,720
Third time around he played.
He did not play over a single

1311
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,160
one of us.
Wow.

1312
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,400
And I asked about that later.
I said, man, you could have

1313
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,120
burned us all to the ground.
I I walked out to him later.

1314
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,080
I was named guys said me.
You're Nokia Edwards.

1315
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:06,400
I know who you are.
You could have burned us all the

1316
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:07,720
guys.
Nah, man, I just want to have

1317
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,920
some fun.
You know, you guys were fun.

1318
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,320
You guys were good.
I had I had a good time, man.

1319
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,480
Thank you for letting me do it.
Was just so grateful and

1320
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,600
appreciative.
I love those stories because the

1321
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,880
guy that taught me to play
guitar was the same way.

1322
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,480
He could sit in with anybody and
he would make you look stupid if

1323
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,880
you know you had some kind of
attitude or whatever.

1324
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,520
But he taught me two lessons
that I never forgot.

1325
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,160
He always said there's always
someone better than you.

1326
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:37,280
Don't ever forget that.
And while three valuable

1327
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:40,240
lessons, the second one was
always play for the song, right?

1328
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,200
You're not the star of the show
unless you are the star of the

1329
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:44,720
show.
So know your role.

1330
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,040
If you're in a band, you're
playing for the song, serve the

1331
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:51,120
song.
And the third and probably the

1332
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:55,640
most valuable lesson was you can
learn anything from anyone,

1333
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:57,320
right?
Don't ever think that you're

1334
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,320
here and there there because
they're going to do something

1335
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,320
down here that you wouldn't have
paid attention to.

1336
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,440
And that really came to serve me
when I was teaching people in

1337
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,920
Arizona.
Some of the students would just

1338
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,040
do things accidentally that
you'd be like, hey, do that

1339
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,320
again, you know, And then they
would get excited because you

1340
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:14,760
were, then they're teaching you
something.

1341
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,080
Larry Carlton talks about, you
know, Larry does those ghost

1342
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,360
bends where he bends and rolls
in the Volume I.

1343
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,040
Love those me.
Too.

1344
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,880
So they were doing the Simon and
Simon soundtrack.

1345
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,120
And Larry, he does that for a
warm up.

1346
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:32,440
He'll do scales that way.
And Tommy Tedesco comes running

1347
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:33,760
over to what did you do?
What did you do?

1348
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,880
Show me that.
Show me that.

1349
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:42,240
And Larry showed him because I
taught Tommy Tedesco something.

1350
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,160
That's awesome.
How crazy is that?

1351
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:51,080
And now I got to play with Larry
at the baked potato shortly

1352
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,880
after I graduated college and Oh
my God, you want to talk about a

1353
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:58,120
humiliating moment in my life?
We're just doing a little Blues

1354
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,040
thing.
And it came to me and I just

1355
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,240
froze.
I just didn't know what to do.

1356
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:07,800
Larry Nurse made me through some
changes to get me comfortable so

1357
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:09,560
I could play.
That's fun.

1358
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:11,040
That's a nice guy.
And.

1359
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,800
See, here's This is the power of
music.

1360
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:16,280
It doesn't matter what level you
are.

1361
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,400
It doesn't matter how good you
are or how bad you are.

1362
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,840
You all have some, all musicians
have something in common.

1363
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:27,240
It's a it's it's a, it's a weird
dynamic, drama filled family.

1364
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:30,680
Yeah, right.
But it's a common, it's a common

1365
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:32,080
ground.
Just like you can walk up to a

1366
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:36,120
stranger who's wearing a A at
shirt from some NFL team and you

1367
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,720
can instantly spark up a
conversation just based on that

1368
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,360
shirt that he's wearing because
it's relevant to their life.

1369
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:43,480
It's the same thing with
musicians.

1370
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,520
You can go to a show, doesn't
matter if it's three people in a

1371
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:51,000
bar or 50,000 people.
You can, you can connect with a

1372
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,440
musician just because of sure
fact you're there enjoying

1373
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:57,200
something that you have a common
element on, regardless of who

1374
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:58,920
you are, where you come from,
what you look like.

1375
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,160
It's music, man.
It it's just, it connects

1376
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:04,560
people.
That's something that you said

1377
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:07,680
that resonated with me, and it's
still rattling around in my

1378
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,480
head.
Those are experiences that we've

1379
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,920
had collectively that no one
else on this planet will ever

1380
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,880
understand.
We can explain to them what

1381
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,080
standing in front of people is
like, what playing in a band is

1382
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,040
like, but you don't know it
unless you've been there.

1383
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:25,720
Exactly.
Hey, I'm, I'm, I'm and she's

1384
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,040
guys one of my students.
OK, awesome.

1385
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:31,160
This this this is the guy that I
was abusing his grace today.

1386
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:35,880
So hey.
What's up, man?

1387
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:38,960
Introduce yourself.
Say hi to these somehow.

1388
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,480
I got balloons going.
I didn't do the balloons thing.

1389
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:46,000
No I didn't no my vert that.
Somehow so.

1390
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,800
So these are guys that I'm
talking to you today, Yeah.

1391
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:55,680
Yeah, we're going to, we're
going to write this up, Joseph.

1392
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,520
So yeah, she can get on every
day, man.

1393
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:01,040
So this has been such a treat
having you on, man.

1394
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,280
Mike was so excited that we got
to finally connect with you and

1395
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,440
get you on the show, man.
I I appreciate you taking time

1396
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:06,720
out of your busy schedule and
your day.

1397
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,880
Guys, it has.
It has been a blast.

1398
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,280
Absolutely.
Yeah, we definitely want to have

1399
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:12,480
you back, man.
Yes.

1400
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,600
And, and I'll be, yeah, I'd love
to.

1401
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,880
And I will set the link up on
my, I invited my friends to

1402
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:22,160
watch this thing, you know, so,
and I'll send it out again and

1403
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,800
we're going to put it up on my,
on my different Facebook pages.

1404
01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:29,439
And I will send you a private
message when the episode drops,

1405
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,640
like when I released the RSS
feed and he drops it on YouTube.

1406
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,359
I'll send you a private message
that way too.

1407
01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:36,279
Excellent.
Yeah, and you can find.

1408
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:39,160
You can tell people where they
can find you and all your stuff

1409
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:42,920
again, please, OK.
Facebook Joseph Claude Music.

1410
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:46,720
I'm on Spotify.
Apple Music, I'm in all all the

1411
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:50,760
streaming audio, you name it.
Just Google search, my name,

1412
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:53,319
YouTube, whatever spell.
Your name for people, please.

1413
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:58,720
JOESFGLAUDE.
Thank you there.

1414
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:00,479
You go.
So I appreciate you guys.

1415
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:01,560
Thank.
Thank you for doing this.

1416
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:03,880
Thank you for doing it for us,
man, Thank.

1417
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,000
You as well and we wrap every
show up with this.

1418
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,479
Don't let the bad days win.
If you're if you're feeling sad,

1419
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,040
you're feeling depressed, reach
out to somebody that you know

1420
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,200
you can trust and talk to
because you don't want to leave

1421
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:14,920
a hole in somebody's heart
tomorrow morning if you don't

1422
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:16,840
wake up, Somebody Loves You.
Somebody always will.

1423
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:20,240
So be mindful of that.
We love all of you for listening

1424
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,200
to us and checking us out on
YouTube and all the different

1425
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,479
platforms.
Everybody have a fantastic day.

1426
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:25,800
Again, thank you, Joseph very
much.

1427
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,160
Thanks, you're amazing human.
We appreciate you being on.

1428
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:29,560
Tell your lovely bride we said
hello.

1429
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:36,760
And I will do that.
Love you man, love you too.

1430
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:38,040
Love you.
Guys too man, thanks a lot.

1431
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:54,960
Joseph, hey, good day.
Look the tablet, you're insane.

1432
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:59,680
Feel the Jesus open your life on
your journey.

1433
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:10,230
You will go.
Feel the trail behind your eyes.

1434
01:10:11,470 --> 01:10:16,550
Feel yourself and need yourself.
Take a moment.

1435
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:22,440
Look until you see it.
The battle that's too far queer.

1436
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,840
But the battle but you far
queer.

1437
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,760
Who is this baby to your
fingers?

1438
01:10:35,360 --> 01:11:48,760
Oh yeah, this is too young here.
Now you're coming.

1439
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:54,200
Come down here.
We haven't found Charlie in the

1440
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:58,960
sand from fighting.
Wait for the dead.

1441
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:05,600
Wait for the the wind.
You ain't no creature.

1442
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:09,160
We're playing fire.
You should.

1443
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:13,960
You press on the almighty day.
You gotta dream.

1444
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:21,760
Who in your life to keep your
soul in every man?

1445
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:26,520
Take your turn behind your eyes.
Feel the soul.

1446
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:33,760
Everyone shame now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1447
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:39,440
yeah, yeah.
Take your moment.

1448
01:12:39,480 --> 01:12:43,080
We can see your fear.
You

1449
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:14,830
gotta, you gotta.
You gotta.

1450
01:13:14,910 --> 01:13:15,830
You gotta.