#123 - Nemesis Reunited - A Look Back at Arizona's 90s Rock Scene and the Brotherhood that Built it.

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Oh, hello there, boys and girls.
It's a double dose of the

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Christian Mike show on a Friday
afternoon.

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That we're live.
Did you post that on the

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Facebook?
That we're live on YouTube.

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I will, I will in a second.
Everybody give me a medal face.

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There we go.
All right, the boys and girls,

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welcome to Chris and Mike Show.
We've got the band back

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together.
Well -1 person.

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But hey, you know everybody.
I mean, let me introduce the

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world to William Richard Carr.
The 4th.

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It's the fourth.
It's not the third.

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All these years I've been, I've
been calling him a third and

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he's a fourth, so it's my.
Bad.

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Yeah, and you guys still call me
Rick, which is cool.

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I mean, but everyone else now
knows me from, you know, I'm an

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old man named William now.
Really.

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You can call you William, right?
I, I, I prefer that I really

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not, but either one is, I'll go
by anyone.

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It's kind of, it's kind of like,
you know, if you, if you have

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dinner, I'm going to show up.
You know you're confident for.

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Dinner.
I'm going to eat, but you call

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me Rick.
That's everyone who's known me

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in my past.
That's where they call me still.

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OK, Yeah.
That's cool.

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Yeah, that's.
How I always knew you, man.

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What William is, I always
thought it was a it's a stronger

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name if you if you go by what
each name means, William is

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probably I would prefer it, but.
If you go by how Chris has been

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calling you, unfortunately by
the wrong name, but now by the

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right name, it actually sounds
cool rolling off the tongue.

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It always has.
You know when you got introduced

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on stage, that was not a badass.
It was, I thought it was it was

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a three name thing.
Was big starter big then?

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Anyway, except for floats like
your guys's favorite serial

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killers, they only have that 3.
Right, right, right.

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You know, true story.
So tell everybody who William

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Richard Card the 4th is Mr.
Dunham.

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Well, he's the the, I call him
the the our favorite bass player

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of our original band of Nemesis.
And 'cause we had they had a

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bass player before us, Rick.
I mean, sorry William, before us

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there was a bass player slash
vocalist.

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But never before haxis we are.
It was desperate Angel, right?

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I believe founding members of
Nemesis.

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Yeah, and you just change the
name to Nemesis, 'cause I

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vaguely remember Desperate Angel
actually when we started.

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Yeah, 'cause I think I was
watching.

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Yeah, I was watching MTV and
Pearl Jam came on with Jeremy,

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and one of the little things
that popped up on the screen was

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Nemesis.
So the next day going to

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practice, I'm like, hey, how
about we call ourselves Nemesis?

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Then we found out that it was
the goddess of vengeance and

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Greek mythology, and because
you're young and you think those

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kind of things are cool, it's
like, Oh yeah, man, that's got

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to be awesome.
Well, I mean, it was, it was

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actually fitting too, because at
the time, Arizona was.

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Most look at that.
Yeah, that's cool.

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I still have a, My mom sent me a
bunch of stuff that we remember

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the, the, the letters that Sky
used to send out.

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Yeah, I got the fan letters and
I was real.

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I'm like, man, we were so
professional.

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I mean.
We were so far.

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Most kids don't know.
That's the only way we had to

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communicate with our fans was
the mail.

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You know, back in those days, we
didn't have e-mail or any of

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that cool stuff we have now.
Oh yeah.

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We invented social media.
Yeah, oh look, that is.

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And I'm wearing the shirt in.
That you wearing the name of the

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shirt, dude, you are.
With pride, of course.

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I remember that night man.
Like.

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It was, yeah.
I do.

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I remember that that was
probably some one of the

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greatest times in my life.
For sure.

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And the greatest sadness of my
life at the end of it.

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For all of us, man, because it
meant something, you know, to,

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to hear you say that, and to
have heard Chris say that and

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hear how genuine it is in your
voice solidifies how I've always

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felt.
I always felt like that was the

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greatest musical opportunity I
was ever afforded on this planet

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with you guys for sure.
And I, I, I'm a private person

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and you, you probably, Mike
knows me because we lived

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together for a little bit.
So I mean if I understands.

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Me.
Yeah, You're even wider than me,

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man.
Yeah, I basically everything up

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to my point in my life and most
of my life is is is sadness.

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It's a a lot of issues.
So I also like the way you guys

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end this show with the suicide
thing.

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And because the only thing
that's ever kept me when I had

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those feelings was knowing that
someone else was out there and I

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wouldn't want to put that burden
on them.

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Because to me, suicide is a
selfish act.

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And I'm not a selfish person,
you know, no matter how I feel

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at the time or state you.
Always prove that in the band

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for sure.
I always I kind of joked when I

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knew you were coming on that
when you said, you know,

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whatever I can do, I said that's
in true, Rick.

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That's Rick.
Yeah.

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I mean, that's William.
Definitely.

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You were always like, do I need
to drive the bus?

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Do I need to load the gear in?
Do I need to help you do

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anything?
You know, you were always there

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to help, man.
And I was appreciated that

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because when I was stressed out
and I was trying to deal with

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booking the gigs and getting
paid, you were always the person

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that made me feel comfortable
because I knew you were handling

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the things that I couldn't at
the time and I didn't have to

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worry about it.
Right.

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Well, I'll be honest with you.
You get that?

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That was my true family, in
fact.

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And you told.
I cried the first time you told

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me that.
I remember that.

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You guys were like my brothers
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You guys, you guys, you're
making me feel really bad now.

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The the hardest the hardest part
is.

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And.
The hardest part is when when

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Chris left.
I'm a singing motherfucker.

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I'm going to tell you right now,
yeah, I have a great range and

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everything, but there's when
Chris left, I tried everything I

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could to fill that void and I
there's no way of filling a

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Chris Dunham void.
I'm you know what I'm.

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Gonna give you props about that.
I'm not, I'm not that

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charismatic.
I can't connect with the

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audience the way you do.
I'm, you know, I'm musical.

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I have a lot of natural talent
and skill.

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But the fact is if you don't
grab people's attention, you're

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just a band up there playing.
You might be kicking ass.

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And the and the audience is
like, well, yeah, yeah, it's

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cool.
I'm gonna go get a beer.

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Here's two things.
Here's two things, and.

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I tried my ass off man.
I really I tried my best.

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I really did.
But listening back to those, I

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don't think I put it quite in
this context.

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But the one thing that was
missing after Chris left was not

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only obviously the front man
aspect of it, which he's a

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badass at, there's no question.
He's a very powerful voice too.

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I'm not.
I'm not taking away from.

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That, but here's where I'll give
you a compliment that you

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probably won't see coming.
Rick is it's, it was the blend

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of your guys's voices together
that really old people.

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When somebody said I don't know
how to put my finger on your

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sound.
It wasn't my guitar playing, it

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wasn't your bass playing.
It wasn't us as individuals.

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It was almost like that Alice In
Chains effect where Jerry and

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Lane were singing together.
You added the right element at

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the right time to get Chris's
message across.

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Yeah, I mean that that's what I
love to do and and when

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something's.
In your bass playing, was it

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spoke for itself, dude, your
tone at the beginning of that's

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why we we play Freeman for a lot
of reasons, because the

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beginning is so powerful as a
message, right?

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Bass tone is so mighty in the
beginning of that song, dude.

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Well, I recorded that in my
apartment.

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So on a little reel to reel,
yeah, that's that.

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Here's the thing, and here's the
funny part.

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A reluctant bass player, right?
But, but I know when I the

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reason I played, Here's the
reason why I started playing

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bass.
I don't know if I told you the

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story, but I couldn't find a
bass player that's worth the

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shit.
Look, all I can find is

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frustrating guitar players
playing bass, right?

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How many bass?
Players Did we audition before

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we?
Found him.

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Chris probably 20.
Yeah, quite a bit.

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The only one I remember before
before William was.

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OK, there he is.
The only one I remember before

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William was the guy that had the
really old car with the massive

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trunk that when he opened it up
I was like oh you could fit like

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6 bodies in there and and look
on Mike's face was like like

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like like like oh fuck you just
said that.

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Yeah.
I mean, the thing about playing

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bass is it is, is it there's a
place for it and it's not, it's

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not guitar.
But at the same time, in a three

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piece you kind of need to be
bass and I would say rhythm

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guitar.
But you got to find a nice sweet

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spot between that.
And that's what I learned, dude.

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I didn't realize until I went
back and listened as a listener

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and not a player.
A lot of things that you did

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blew right past me, like you
were really good at playing the

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3rd or the 5th, you know, at
building a chord.

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Whether you were doing it or not
musically at the time, you would

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find that right note that wasn't
the note I was playing to fill

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the sound out, right?
You might, you might play the

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note I'm playing, and very
quickly you'd play the 3rd or

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the 5th, 6th, 7th or whatever,
just to give Chris's melody the

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justice it deserved.
I never knew those things were

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going on.
I just knew that the sound was

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full and I dug it right.
Yeah, I mean, that comes from a

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background of my mother's been
in choir her whole life.

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You know, she travelled the
world actually.

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She went to at least Mexico City
and she went to England when I

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was a child mostly, mostly, you
know, Christian type stuff.

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Well, I I think you actually
helped me with the recording.

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Like remastering one of her CDs
or tapes she had out.

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I did, now that you've mentioned
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Now The thing is, the cool thing
about being a vocalist before

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you're a musician is that you
understand like harmonies.

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Well, you're if you're a good
one, you understand harmonies

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and balance and all that.
And that comes out naturally in

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my playing without me, like you
said, in in my 20s, not

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realizing it, what I was doing,
but later in life going, wow,

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that's pretty cool.
And it's also your heroes, you

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know?
I mean, you listen to certain

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guys, you don't know why it's
good.

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You just know that it is good.
That's the way I always saw it.

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To me, I can't read music to
save my life.

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But if you play something for me
once, I can play it back for

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you.
No, but the thing that I

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remember about you sitting there
is the same thing I Remember

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Remember about Chris, as you
guys were determined to get it

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right.
You know, you would just say

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keep playing it back.
I want to hear it one more time.

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Let me play through it one more
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You guys both had you had a
vision of what you wanted it to

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sound like, and I'm the same
way.

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Sometimes I can't tell you how I
got there.

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I just got there, right?
I know what I want to hear.

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Oh, definitely.
And sometimes that's hard to

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describe if you're not a trained
musician, which you know, we're

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all semi trained, we can tell
you what key it's in and maybe

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what scale we're playing
sometimes.

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But.
Right.

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I mean, over the years, of
course, now being 50, I know how

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to find notes, CADBC, all that
stuff, but.

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I got a confession.
I won't.

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I can't tell you what key it's
in.

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I just.
I just hear the note and I sing.

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But you're damn good at it.
You write great melody.

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Thank you.
Well, I mean, you told.

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Me.
Hey, hey, man, singing, singing,

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you know, go hit the D like play
the note for me. 1st I I'm the

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same way, Chris, I, you know,
I'll say play.

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I, I might get lucky.
A is lucky because almost,

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almost everything's in A.
So that's a natural tone that

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you're used to hearing.
But you know, so I want to be

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sharp.
I like.

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Well, go ahead and have one, you
know.

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I've missed that humor, right?
There, play it on the keyboard

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for me or something, you know, I
mean, sorry, Mr. Scholar.

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Now, I don't think you lose
anything.

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I think you should learn music
by ear first.

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Yeah.
And then get into theory,

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because then it seems like the
the few things that you have

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that are missing are kind of
filled in.

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Or you can give you a little
more confidence that what you're

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doing is correct.
But honestly, I never cared.

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I It's not.
I've heard you guys say it's the

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last time because if it sounds
good, it is good.

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Yes.
You know, And I've heard guys

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that.
Yeah, guys that I thought were

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the best musicians in the world
couldn't read a note.

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You know it.
As far as what we were doing, we

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were trying to put something out
there that made other people to

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feel the way we felt and make a
connection.

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At least that's the way I've
always approached music.

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I agree with you, but I found
all over all these years, we'll

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say 20 some odd years or more
since we've broken up a lot of

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it I've done alone.
We took, we took a break, Rick.

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We didn't break.
Yeah.

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Well, we're talking right now.
That's true, but I never

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stopped.
I've been in cover bands.

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I've been in.
Right now I'm in the original

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bandwidth.
Guys that are actually older

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than me and they're playing
original stuff.

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Their stuff was cool, so I I
joined them up.

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It was kind of just like when I
met you guys.

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I know it sounds corny.
I don't know, it sounds corny,

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but I walk in the room and
before we played, I'm very

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empathic.
You and I have.

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I have AI came and you come in
the room and you get certain

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feelings and it was very, I'd
never been there in my whole

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life, but it was almost like
walking into like my living room

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or something like that.
So at first I was at ease.

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So there was of course, nervous
that, well, these guys are going

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to think I'm some hacker.
They're hopefully they'll be

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nice enough not to laugh at my
face.

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But you know, right before, you
know, until after I leave.

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But it's wow, it's hard to it's
so emotionally based.

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I don't have like specific
memories.

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OK, if that.
Makes any sense?

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I Yeah.
Let me tell you that.

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Story.
Yeah, Let me tell you that story

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real quick.
Yeah.

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Because I don't know if you're
going to tell them.

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Yeah.
You left, obviously, because it

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was your audition and we only
talked for about 45 seconds.

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Might not even.
That would have been an

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eternity.
We might have only said one

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thing and the next thing we
heard from the kitchen because

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Carrie was in there making
dinner for the family.

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She said that's the best you
guys have ever sounded.

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So there was no more discussion
about whether you were going to

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be the bass player or not
because she had been to every

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rehearsal, because we rehearsed
in their living room.

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She had to every performance
before you were there, so we had

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to respect an opinion of
somebody who had seen us play

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hundreds of times already.
She just simply said that is by

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far the best you guys have ever
sounded and a live performance

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and a rehearsal anything hands
down.

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You guys sound like a well oiled
machine.

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Well, it.
Was like, that was you.

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You got wow.
I thought you guys were a will

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oil machine.
I mean it was very seamless.

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Well, I so.
But it's but it's amazing the

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difference what happens when a
bass player comes in because I

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agree with you.
We were pretty he.

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Said it earlier, the importance
of that position is so

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overlooked, but so necessary.
You.

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Got to it's a it's the, the,
it's I'm not describe it.

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It's the bridge between in a
band like that, it's a bridge

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between the drums and the
guitar.

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Yeah.
You know, that's a great way to

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do it.
It's a melody that the vocalist

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can also build on as well.
Yeah, what's Paul McCartney say?

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It's not a chord until the bass
player, or maybe Sting says that

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it's not.
A chord.

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It's probably it's.
Not a chord until the bass

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player decides that it's a chord
because you got notes you can

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pick from that aren't the one
the guitar player is playing.

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And that, that's what I like.
The I wasn't really interested

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in bass.
The only reason I was interested

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in bass is the two people you
spoke of right now, which would

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be Sting and Paul McCartney,
possibly Gene Simmons.

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He's an ass, but he played bass.
He does, but that's for some

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reason.
I fell in love.

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I'm still playing it now.
In fact, it's usually my go to

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instrument.
I play guitar way better than I

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ever did.
I can, you know, write whole

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songs and do that.
But right on.

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I don't get the, I don't get the
same joy that I do.

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I guess playing bass and it's
mostly a live thing.

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Comfort.
Yeah, yeah.

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Well, I'm comfortable doing it,
but I enjoy the space it fills

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in the I'm not a, I'm not an
upfront person.

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I've tried to be my whole life,
but I, I'm pretty much in a band

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foundational.
And there's nothing wrong with

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that because without really good
drums, you know, and A and a

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good bass line, it doesn't let
the two things that most people

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think about shined, which is the
vocals and the guitar.

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And if you're writing music, you
should be writing it for music,

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not for your ego.
And that's, I would, I'm going

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to continue to do it.
I've never made really money off

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it at all, but I can't stop.
I've tried stopping several

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times and I go right back to it.
So, and basically I'm going to

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do this until my last day on
Earth.

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I think that's no matter what.
We're truly artists, right?

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Yeah.
You have to have it.

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You can't go a day without
either listening to music,

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playing music, it.
You know it has to be in your

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life and ensemble, right?
Right.

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Or just being creative because
like the whole reason Good News

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Arizona came about is because I
was bored and you need something

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to fill the creative space
because I I got done with with

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the council because of the
nonsense there.

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And it's like, OK, now what?
And then that ended and then I,

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you know, then Mike and I, I
started poking on Mike again,

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like, dude, you know, I started
setting up lyrics and stuff.

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I'm writing.
I'm like, come on, you know, And

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I didn't realize he was going
through some stuff.

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But the reason I love this is
because it fills that gap.

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Like I, I need, I need something
creative in my world, otherwise

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I'm just not myself.
So, you know, I can do all I

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want with my videos and and
stuff for real estate, but it's

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not the same, you know, it's
just it doesn't, it doesn't fill

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that that void.
So this, this fills the void.

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And now that we got you reeled
in for me, make some music.

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Man, for me, this is another
bucket list item because one

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thing that Chris has preached on
this show, and I don't know if

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you've listened to those
episodes or not, but there's.

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I've got several.
There's no relationship that

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you're ever going to have with
another human being like the one

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that you still stepped on a
stage with in front of.

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A.
Person or 1000 people right and

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we ran the gamut you Rick, you
and I played two people at a

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pizza joint on a Sunday night
and we we played to.

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Private birthday party.
Mason jar in the electric

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ballroom and you.
Know what I was saying?

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The coolest one I remember.
I don't know if you remember

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this and I don't know how we oh,
you know, we got it through.

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Damn.
Nah, I feel bad.

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I forgot his name was Club Rio
Outdoors.

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That was a trip.
Oh, I'll never forget because

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there was people there
regardless because everyone just

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went to the club.
Rio at that time in the 90s,

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they had inside was dancing and
outside was just like a cool

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like outside bar and palm trees
and they had they kind of fell

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out of out of place there, but
you know, playing Hard Rock.

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But that was really cool.
I wish Chris was there.

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Yeah, that would have been a
cool gift for.

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That's that's that's I will tell
you this, if you haven't heard

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me say it on the show when Mike
and I have talked about that's

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that's if I go back in time,
that would have just been it

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would have just been, hey, I
just need a break, you know, so

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I can recover the voice, all
that kind of jazz and you like 6

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months or so to kind of get back
where I need to be.

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But you don't think about that
when you're punk ass kid.

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You just think, you know,
there'll be there'll be other

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times, there'll be other things
and it's just, it's just, it's

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one of those things, man.
But if.

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And I'm not one of those to to
to sit there and play the blame

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game and and woe is me because
of my past and shit like that.

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I just, I don't do that.
You are, we are who we are

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because of the life we've had
and the experience that we had

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to let us to this point in time
right now.

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But I will, I will go to my
grave.

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That was that's the one thing I
wish I would have approached it

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differently instead of just
cutting ties that like, Hey, I

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need some to step away for a
while to, you know, but you

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know, that's neither here nor
now.

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Now we're here, you know, and
now we have.

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Yeah.
And look, Chris, I mean, I did

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catch one of your your podcasts
and you were thinking that I was

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angry with you or something like
that.

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I'll be honest with you, I was
just, I guess, got a 24 year

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relationship that wasn't good
for me.

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There was a lot going on at that
time and it had nothing to do

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with you.
OK.

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If I had any any animosity
towards you, it died off years

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ago and.
Good.

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All of us, all of us have our
regrets, I think.

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But if we dwell on them, we're
wasting our time.

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You know I.
Agree.

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I'm glad to hear.
That you have no reason to, you

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know, apologize and it's in the
like, it's back there.

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Yeah, it is, but I still mean
there's nothing we can do.

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About it, right?
But I still, but I still, I

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still respected you enough and
still respect you enough that I

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felt like it needed to be said.
Mike and I have talked about it

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on the show, off the show, Yeah.
But now you're in those

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conversations, right?
Well, I appreciate it and I

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appreciate all the little things
you do, the the silly little

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birthday things you send me.
I'm just, I'm not a Facebook

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type person.
I'm not a social media type.

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You know, you're good.
It's even like you said, I don't

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and I, I would say 1520 years
ago, I stopped watching the news

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and it's made my life better.
Absolutely.

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Yeah.
It it's just, it's my

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upbringing, man.
It's.

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I just want to tell you this is
a bucket list item for me, man.

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I'm going back to, you know,
like Chris said, you'll never

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have that relationship.
I there's a lot of people that

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unfortunately, you know, have
come and gone out of my life and

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that's their choice, right?
But when it's somebody like you

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who I blood sweat and tears,
right?

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All the stories of that you've
heard of what living in a rock

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band is like, they're all true,
right?

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You're poor.
It is.

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You don't know what that feels
coming from.

447
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,120
Are we going to pay the electric
bill and the rent, or are we

448
00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:39,360
going to go play rock'n'roll?
You know those stories.

449
00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:43,280
Are all true that band that band
was yeah that band was

450
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,400
everything to me.
In fact, I had AI had a divorce

451
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,440
at that time and I remember part
of that was because I was going

452
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,080
to keep doing what I was doing
so that that was the hardest

453
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,760
part to be honest.
I don't know how even how it

454
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,480
ended.
It just kind of we kind of

455
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,880
fractured.
Then Scott got divorced.

456
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,320
Is that what it was?
Yeah, Scott.

457
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,160
We had to kick him out of the
band.

458
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,080
That was a hard day, being and
out being a addict myself, to

459
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,280
have to tell somebody else that
they're a worse addict, well,

460
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,720
that wasn't a fun day, man.
Well, and that happened when I

461
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,080
was with you still, if I
remember, because he wasn't, we

462
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,440
were.
Looking for another drummer?

463
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,360
We were.
We were trying to jam with Kirk

464
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,960
after.
That yeah, remember.

465
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,320
Yeah.
And Kirk was an even bigger

466
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,040
basket case because we didn't
know it, but he was a meth head.

467
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,240
Oh.
Yeah, yeah.

468
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,520
So they're very unpredictable
people.

469
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,840
I became one myself.
Unfortunately, that was my

470
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,640
addiction for three years of my
life.

471
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,400
Yeah.
Yeah.

472
00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:46,920
It's yeah, but.
Going going back to this was

473
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,800
definitely a bucket list item
for me.

474
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,240
Man.
That's what you meant to me in

475
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,800
my life.
Sweet.

476
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:54,880
Yeah, and I will, I will tell
you this, Nick.

477
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,880
And I've talked obviously,
because I'm still married, Nick,

478
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,280
you know, I'm going to go 32
years now.

479
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,360
And we've, we've talked, we've
talked about it a few times,

480
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,560
that of all the bands I was in,
which there wasn't very many, I

481
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:10,560
think 5.
She felt Nemesis was by far the

482
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,920
best core group of musicians
that I ever played with.

483
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,240
So that's something.
And and that goes along with the

484
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,560
personalities and the type of
humans you were too, because you

485
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,480
can't have one without the rest,
right?

486
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,320
Right.
Because then you can't stay

487
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,360
together if you have the egos
and the all that kind of

488
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:28,440
nonsense.
It doesn't work.

489
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:29,440
And we?
Had that.

490
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,680
We never had that.
We are all about let's just go

491
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,440
play music, let's just go jam.
I mean, that's how I always

492
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,600
approached it.
Yeah, for however young and

493
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,720
naive we were at the time, we
were super professional when it

494
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,240
came to we're going to put on a
show and people, people are

495
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,280
going to have a good time and
we're going to have a good time.

496
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,640
That was important to us, that
we wrote good songs and went out

497
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,120
there and actually had a
performance, you know?

498
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,640
Right, right.
Well, that that's the thing in

499
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:58,720
that with Nemesis, that was the
last band I was in where I felt

500
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,880
like these guys and me can
actually, this can actually go

501
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,880
somewhere.
Yeah, I've been in several bands

502
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,040
and they're and it's like maybe
one or two of us are good, but

503
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,240
the rest of the bands are just
there, the rest of the guys.

504
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:15,000
And there's nothing wrong with
that, but there was something I.

505
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,840
You can't quantify, you know, I,
you, you couldn't actually say

506
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,360
what it was, but it's, it was
all it had to be all four of us,

507
00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:25,240
though, right?
Because once that all four

508
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,480
wasn't there, no matter how hard
I tried, it was not there

509
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,520
anymore.
Yeah.

510
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,200
And it's not that we weren't
still good and still writing

511
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,000
good songs.
It's just it was missing the the

512
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,240
missing a piece I guess.
And that we we built that band

513
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,680
around having somebody standing
on the center of the stage so

514
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,760
that you and I could do what we
needed to do.

515
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,680
You know, Chris ran the show for
sure.

516
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,360
And that was his job.
It's like that's how that band

517
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:54,280
was built.
I didn't want to be the front

518
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,080
man either.
So I admired you for stepping up

519
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,880
and saying at least I'll try,
you know, and you did a great

520
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,400
job.
But it took me a long time to

521
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,320
realize that it was your guys's
blend of harmonies together at

522
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,720
just the right time that really
carried that melody behind the

523
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,120
music.
And that was, like you said,

524
00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:18,960
man, that was necessary for that
success to keep getting the

525
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,440
bigger shows.
Because like I said, we went

526
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,240
from playing on Sunday night to
two people to open up for Sacred

527
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,600
Reich at a sold out Mason jar,
you know, Right?

528
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,640
Right, that was cool.
And everybody else in between.

529
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,080
Man, the Mason jar boy, was that
a?

530
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:35,960
That was a great place to play
now.

531
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,400
It's it was a great place, but
man, when it I was like right

532
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,480
after this little clubs, it was
trying to be a dance club that

533
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,280
failed right away and I just
fell away after that.

534
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,320
I don't know if they boarded it
up or if they're still using

535
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:53,840
that building, but it's kind of
sucks because that was a a cool

536
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,720
part of history.
But it's like you guys talking

537
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,560
about electric ballroom.
That was right.

538
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,520
Awesome flake like that was LA
status.

539
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,800
That was like the coolest LA
club right here in in Tempe.

540
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,080
And I'm like, man.
Did I ever tell you the story

541
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,320
about going in there and getting
paid for the first time?

542
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,160
Yes, I have heard it actually on
your show.

543
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,120
Yeah.
Those guys, piles of coke and.

544
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,000
Everything.
They were really from Los

545
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,600
Angeles and I didn't know it,
but they were like running from

546
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,520
the law.
They had done the same thing in

547
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,320
LA where they built this club
up, sucked all the money out of

548
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,760
it and then.
Took it was.

549
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,640
Almost like a what do they call
that pump and.

550
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:30,680
Dump.
Yeah, laundering the money.

551
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,960
That makes sense.
That makes sense.

552
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,760
Then what happened to it?
You could totally tell they were

553
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,120
so shady, but it was a great
club.

554
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,440
But yeah, they knew the right
people that whoever built that

555
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,800
place, it was amazing, you know,
because you could, you could

556
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,280
have regular, you had a nice
area for your local stuff, and

557
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,640
then they had this big stage
that, you know, national acts

558
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,560
could come through.
Yep, that's when we opened for

559
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,160
Marshall Tucker Band, which back
then it didn't dawn on me.

560
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,520
Marshall Tucker Band because
it's just, we're just playing a

561
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:02,560
show.
Right.

562
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,680
You know, and then it's like,
fuck, you know, looking back on

563
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,800
the Marshall Tucker was one of
my favorite, favorite bands,

564
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,920
just more so because of the
Southern draw sound that I have.

565
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,800
And they're Southern rock.
And it was just one of those

566
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:13,960
things like, you got to be
kidding me.

567
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,480
Like, you know those things when
you're young, you didn't think

568
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,040
about it.
And then you look back 20 years

569
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,720
later, like holy shit.
Well, it just hit me like a ton

570
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,520
of bricks last night.
I'm like, Rick's actually been

571
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,280
down the street that I live on
because he flew back here and

572
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,840
played a gig with us.
At yeah, yeah, that was a great.

573
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,880
That was one of the best shows.
It was just the the three of us.

574
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:41,120
It was fun.
I wish we could have done that

575
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,200
more often that that part of the
country that people just, they

576
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,200
were enjoying the music.
You know, it was, you know how

577
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:50,800
it is.
I mean, on the West Coast here,

578
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,560
people are a little more jaded.
You know, you really have to

579
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,400
grab their attention.
Well.

580
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,880
It's just it's the same on the
East Coast, but in the.

581
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,880
Midwest drove down right past
where I live what two years ago?

582
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,440
Yeah, yeah.
You didn't know it at the time

583
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,840
though, because it was right
before we started the podcast.

584
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,120
Oh wow.
Yeah, we had just kind of

585
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,440
started we talking again.
I was there for my aunt's

586
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,520
funeral.
She died and so we were coming

587
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,800
back and yeah.
Part part of maintaining my

588
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,560
recovery was slowing my life
down to a crawl, and that's what

589
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,440
living in a town of 12,000
people surrounded by cornfields

590
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,120
will do for you, buddy.
Yeah.

591
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,240
But Rick can tell the world
that's where I live, basically

592
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,720
in the middle of a cornfield
there's.

593
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,960
So is that the area you're in
now?

594
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,000
Yeah, I live in the same town
you stayed in, about two blocks

595
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,360
away from the same house that my
parents are in now.

596
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,440
Oh wow.
They're still there, dude.

597
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,000
I just remember, I don't know if
it was one of your friends.

598
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,760
I went to his house and he had,
he's like, you got to hear this.

599
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,600
And he started playing his Gin
Blossoms.

600
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,040
I'm like, yeah, I don't.
I've never heard of them before

601
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,640
from this weird Arizona band.
I'm scared.

602
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,480
But that's my start there, I
guess.

603
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,480
I guess they are bigger than I
thought they were, you know?

604
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,840
Yeah, it's still Tempe Jingle
jangle sound.

605
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,040
As I would say on the stage,
when you came to see Tempe

606
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,320
Jingle jangle sound, you came to
the wrong place.

607
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,720
Well, that that's that's where
the Nemesis would tie in because

608
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,160
we were kind of the nemesis of
what was popular at that time.

609
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,840
As far I never thought in
Arizona it's.

610
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,640
Pretty smart, yeah, but that's
the way I always.

611
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:30,000
Approached it yeah, I think I
said it a few times jadedly, my

612
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:35,200
20 disgruntled 20 something
rambling some stage that didn't

613
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,480
entertain anybody at all but I
thought it was funny That's

614
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:40,760
that's that's cool, though I
never.

615
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,200
Thought of it that way, but
you're right, because we

616
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,400
weren't, we weren't like
anything that was going on at

617
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,760
that time at all, but we but we
were like a lot of.

618
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,920
Bands that broke at that time
because I, I can say like, I

619
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,160
want to say like 3 Doors Down,
like you guys talk about candle

620
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,520
box and all that cool stuff that
was not quite grunge, you know,

621
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,320
not quite Hard Rock, but it had
elements of both.

622
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:03,760
So I'd.
Like like you're saying.

623
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,120
It wasn't about what our sound
was.

624
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,960
Our sound became naturally, it
was just, let's try to write the

625
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,640
Best Song, right?
You know, someone comes up with

626
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,080
a riff, let's turn that into
something cool nobody was trying

627
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,800
to show off.
Right.

628
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:21,400
But at the same time, it was
always about the quality, I

629
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,400
would think over quantity.
So yeah, the things that I

630
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,520
never.
Heard like in your bass playing

631
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,000
was how well you filled in the
gaps.

632
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,120
You know, you were real good at
not playing over.

633
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,160
His vocals, you were real good
at not playing over important

634
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,480
parts of the guitar that you
knew didn't need to be muddied

635
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,000
up.
But when I would let something

636
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,320
go, like let a chord hang out,
you were real good at filling in

637
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,720
in that gap with, you know, like
I said, those little bass runs

638
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,640
and stuff that I just didn't.
You don't hear them when you're

639
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,960
playing live because you're so
in the moment, you know, All

640
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,360
right.
That's cool.

641
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,000
He would find the pocket Rick
would find.

642
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,080
That pocket, he would just and
that was the goal.

643
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:02,160
And it made the sound that's.
That's the always the.

644
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,120
Goal space.
Right, that's one thing I

645
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,640
always.
Thought we had we were really

646
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:14,760
good in the space.
Guitar player yeah Yep.

647
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,080
And.
Honestly, honestly, we've

648
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,520
probably gotten a lot better
because I vocally I'm pretty

649
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,880
good in a probably better
support wise than I am lead

650
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,080
vocal right now.
Because we'll have some just.

651
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,280
Because.
I use.

652
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,800
This, I use the same.
Yeah, I use the same concept in

653
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,800
that, you know, how do you make
the vocals shine?

654
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,520
And the way they shine, if you
listen to Pause records, is

655
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,160
there is little, little
background vocals.

656
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,320
There's things here and there,
there's harmonies, but they're

657
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,920
not louder than the lead.
But without them, the lead kind

658
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,720
of sounds a little bit less.
Yeah.

659
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:53,880
Well, imagine.
Imagine.

660
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,600
So it's.
Well, imagine.

661
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,520
Imagine Van.
Halen right Dave Lee Roth and

662
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,160
Sammy Hagar I was imagine you
Michael Anthony and Eddie were

663
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,920
the sound of Van Halen, right?
They were with you take Michael

664
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,000
Anthony away, right?
Yeah, that's both of.

665
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,080
Them right, you take those
backing.

666
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,520
Vocals more, more than more
Michael Anthony than Eddie.

667
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,200
You take Michael Anthony away,
the dynamic of that band

668
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,280
completely changes.
That's from a sound standpoint

669
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,840
with with either singer, right?
It's completely changes.

670
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,880
Even though Sammy had a much
better range, it still changes

671
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,720
the feeling, the dynamic and the
sound, no question.

672
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,320
Sammy just is rock.
And roll, yeah, he is and it

673
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,240
personality wise, everything.
And and I have learned, having

674
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,680
learned about him being like
some poor sharecropper to where

675
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,880
he has you know what to where he
got to it now it makes sense why

676
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,240
he did things the way he did
them.

677
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,760
And he's a strong personality.
But the and the only reason I

678
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,280
like like I prefer David Lee
Roth's because that's my

679
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,160
childhood, right?
That's when I first heard Van

680
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,640
Halen, right.
But the, the the older I got,

681
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,080
I'm like, he's a real a hole,
but he's not.

682
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,480
You know, I found I I recently.
Found out he's really not.

683
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,160
He's different.
It's a Well, yeah.

684
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:07,880
I think a lot of that wasn't
he's.

685
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,600
Not he's not a normal.
Person No, he is.

686
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:12,280
He is completely different, so
it's harder for him.

687
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,440
I think it's harder for him to
get along with certain people

688
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,080
well.
I can relate to him.

689
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,400
I did listen to him for three
hours on Rogan and I had a whole

690
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:21,440
new person.
Oh nice.

691
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,440
He's.
Never been married.

692
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,520
So I can relate to that.
Never get married.

693
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,440
He's never had.
Kids, I can relate.

694
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,480
To that I never that he knows
that he knows of.

695
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,199
That I know of and that.
And that, David?

696
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:37,520
Knows of correct?
So you're right, he has spent

697
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,360
his life looking and living
different, looking at the world

698
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,440
and living differently than most
people, Right.

699
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,080
So on the outside looking in, he
looks crazy.

700
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:48,520
Yeah.
But he kind of.

701
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,520
Just picks up and does.
Stuff like in the middle of that

702
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,000
interview, he said, yeah, I've
been living in Japan for the

703
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,280
last month studying ancient
sword fighting, you know?

704
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,360
Like training to be a samurai.
So that's sweet.

705
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,600
The thing is, I mean, with the
voice that he had basically his

706
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,280
his old, what he said was like
singing, like your life depended

707
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:11,560
on it.
Like one of his teachers told

708
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,960
him that, right.
And that that makes sense

709
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,840
because no one will, no one will
probably ever say, man, that guy

710
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,040
should have sang opera.
You know, that guy should have

711
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,600
been a classically trained, he
wasn't vocalist, but everything

712
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,080
he did was emotive.
You know it it evoked to

713
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,880
something inside of you, you
know and that and I think that's

714
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:34,360
why those four guys that's
without him, Van Halen wouldn't

715
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,200
be Van Halen.
No, you know, that's Eddie was

716
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,600
smart enough to know that he.
Needed that front man.

717
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,040
Any guitar player worth their
salt knows if you're going to be

718
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,840
a band you have to have a decent
front man because otherwise

719
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,160
you're Joe Satriani, right?
Eddie would have just been an

720
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,240
instrumentalist.
You have to give up that front

721
00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:58,200
position to somebody like Chris
that can command a crowd because

722
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,040
when you're standing in front of
60,000 people, you know, you and

723
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,840
I got to the point where we were
playing in front of hundreds of

724
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,640
thousand.
Imagine that time 60 now you

725
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,040
have to be the guy that gets up
there and goes, Houston, what

726
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,560
the fuck is going on tonight,
right?

727
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,520
And I don't maintain that for
two hours, you know?

728
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,800
You know what's funny about it?
Though, And, and in my

729
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,400
experience, the bigger the
audience, the easier it is.

730
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:25,520
Yeah, I, I think that is because
there, there's so much human

731
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,920
energy that you can't help but
let loose 'cause I, I had a

732
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,960
friend pass away.
His name was Buzz Fowler.

733
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,080
He was a Blues guy and he did
Blues jams.

734
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,640
So cool.
He had me as in the back line

735
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,080
for a while, but he had passed
away in 2015.

736
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:44,920
And as a tribute to him, we got
to play this Blues Festival, you

737
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,720
know, in Phoenix, that big park
that's above the bridge by on

738
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:48,880
7th St.
Yeah.

739
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:50,080
Yep.
My office is.

740
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,320
Down they asked me.
To play guitar of all things,

741
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,600
but I'm playing this this Blues
guitar.

742
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,680
And normally I'm apprehensive
and everything, but when I got

743
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,000
on there, it's just like I just
let loose.

744
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,760
And it was probably the best
solo I've ever played in my

745
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,200
whole life.
And I equate that to just the

746
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,800
energy and that it's cool when
you can get to that level

747
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,320
because when.
You're we're.

748
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,640
At our level, it's, it's full.
You're having to put it out

749
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,240
there with, you know, without
that energy exactly.

750
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,520
So that's why a lot of people.
Give up because you can only do

751
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,000
that so, so long until you, you
know, it drains you Do you feel,

752
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,560
you know, disheartened, I guess,
or, or, or whatever it is.

753
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:36,040
You feel right.
But that's, it's like you said,

754
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,520
it's that feeling you probably
if you were every musician,

755
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,240
you'd chase it your whole life.
Like it to this day, I'm like

756
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,600
every time I get on stage, I can
play the Mesa Music Festival in

757
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,480
April and we got to play the
mainstage.

758
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,120
We were the we were second from
opening.

759
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,000
I don't care.
I was up there just, you know,

760
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,040
it's just.
Like you're just raging.

761
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,760
Up there, you feel like you're
10 feet tall.

762
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,560
I'm a very short person, so
that's impressive for me.

763
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,720
So but and that's why I think,
but I never worried about being

764
00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:08,760
short because 1 of what I
thought one of the best singers

765
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,040
in the world was Ryan James Dio.
I was just going to say that

766
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,080
foot nothing.
Actually.

767
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,320
Klaus mind.
You know, scorpions.

768
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,120
Oh my goodness.
You know, you know, I learned

769
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,480
later in life, there's all the
things that I can appreciate.

770
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,200
The music I listen to in a
completely different way.

771
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,880
It's really weird.
I'm like, wow, I didn't even

772
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:31,120
realize this, you know, I didn't
realize how this guy was playing

773
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,400
this or how he was doing that.
I just when I'm a kid, I was

774
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,000
like, well, that's cool.
And it pisses my parents off and

775
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,680
I'm rocking, you know, yeah,
hey, let's go drink some beers

776
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,360
and smoke some weed.
Whatever it is we're going to

777
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,520
do.
We'd be lying if we said that we

778
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,720
were now.
Now if I there's a bunch of

779
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:45,960
girls in.
The video so I want.

780
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,240
To be there.
Hey, man.

781
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:48,800
That's too.
That's too bad.

782
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,080
Because, you know, I was.
Really sophisticated back then

783
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,080
and I understood what we were
doing and I was totally in tune

784
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,720
with the world and we.
Didn't know shit.

785
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,280
No.
But we knew we were having fun

786
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,520
though.
Yeah, it's the one.

787
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,080
The one thing I like about,
that's the only thing I like

788
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,720
about getting older is your
appreciation for things that you

789
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,280
overlooked in a, you know, in a
younger perspective.

790
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:18,160
It's so it's kind of what keeps
me going, you know, regardless

791
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,480
of what's going on in my life.
Yeah, I'll give you a stupid

792
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,440
example.
I just told Chris I just bought

793
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,160
a new car.
It's the first time I've ever

794
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,720
bought like a car that I really
wanted and I was able to pay

795
00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:29,800
cash for it and come home with
the title, right.

796
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,800
It was a huge accomplishment and
it's cool, you know, that's an.

797
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,000
Old person's.
Goal.

798
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,640
It's like, wow, it is old person
gold.

799
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,680
That I was horrible with money I
I'm me too.

800
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,920
I'm a Ramsey head right now, so
you and I live together and we.

801
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,280
Had to worry about paying.
Right.

802
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:50,520
So this is the first time I only
did I have right now is this new

803
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,240
house that I just bought in May
Congratulations.

804
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,360
And since I'm.
Poor it's in Florence but the

805
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,960
cool thing was I was able to
sell the house I had with my ex

806
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,280
and at this.
Point in time.

807
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,800
After having putting the money
down, I'm actually owed like a

808
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,440
few 1000 less in the brand new
house and my payment is less in

809
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,880
the brand new house.
Where is Florence in relation?

810
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,120
I don't think I've.
Ever been there?

811
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,920
Florence is like Southeast.
Of, you know, Phoenix and Mesa

812
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,240
in that area, Yeah.
If you know what Queen Creek is,

813
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:22,680
it probably don't.
Oh, it's out that way.

814
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:24,640
Yeah, I know where, Yeah.
It's well the it's well the

815
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,640
prison system.
It's the prison, Yeah, Prison

816
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,040
city.
I was, I was out there.

817
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,640
I.
I legit, dude, I was.

818
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,440
I was out there yesterday.
Yeah, the cool thing is I'm not.

819
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,200
I'm still influenced, but
technically I'm just a sidestep

820
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,160
from San Anton Valleys, which is
where I live before.

821
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:39,480
Oh, you're over by the anthem.
You're.

822
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,240
Over by the Dell web stuff, I'm
actually just north the I'm.

823
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:44,920
A magma rancher which is just
north of OK OK.

824
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:46,920
That anthem, yeah, Where he
lives, we're.

825
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,680
In 21 countries.
Yeah, yeah, which is true.

826
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,760
Well, Matt didn't come out to
Florence.

827
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,480
I was talking about autographs
on Saturday, right?

828
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,280
September 15th Well.
I'm not going to give you my

829
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,960
address, but no, we'll, we'll
stop right there, Yeah.

830
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:09,760
No, Florence is a cool town man.
It, you know, Phoenix is taking

831
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,200
over anyway.
I mean, they're pretty soon

832
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,360
they're going to be that way and
then start heading towards

833
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,640
Tucson, Phoenix, Tucson will be
one well.

834
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,680
Maybe mountains?
Kind of impede some of that.

835
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,520
Thankfully, that's the only good
thing about Arizona.

836
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,840
There's certain areas where
there's not going to be able to

837
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,840
build, no, but.
I'm a big believer they should

838
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:27,360
have.
Gone.

839
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,760
They should have done that, you
know, start filling that, that

840
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,320
desert between Phoenix and
Maricopa and Maricopa and Casa

841
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,600
Grande.
Casa Grande, Tucson.

842
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:37,240
Yeah, Yeah.
Stop building the mountains.

843
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:40,880
Man, stop taking away that stuff
because I don't want to like

844
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,920
when I had to drove, I was at
Florence yesterday in the

845
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,720
morning and then I was in in
Apache Junction the afternoon.

846
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:48,760
But as Apache Junction, the cool
part to where you're going down

847
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,240
Superstition Blvd. the you know,
the road and you're and you just

848
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:56,240
see all these the the sea of
homes, which is not the meth

849
00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:58,560
capital of the world anymore.
Where where you're at, where I

850
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,480
was at, because it's all the
homes that you can see

851
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,600
Superstition Mountains and it's
a really cool spot where I was

852
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,360
at in a general way.
And that's the thing.

853
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,360
I don't like that they're
building into the mountains.

854
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,200
I just I don't did it and I live
at Power Rd. in Chandler

855
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:14,520
Heights.
So I'm basically Queen Creek,

856
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:21,040
Gilbert border and along what is
that hunt highway?

857
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:23,560
Is it hunt?
Highway that turns it's.

858
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,440
No, it's Santan.
It's one of the surface streets.

859
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,920
Before you get to Ellsworth and
turn right, go down Gary.

860
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,200
But they built in the mountain
man like a couple years.

861
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,280
Ago I was I was driving on.
Like holy shit, they cut out,

862
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,480
they blew out this part of the
mountain and like 3 months later

863
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,320
there's a house up there.
It's the dumbest place for a.

864
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:43,720
House, it's all you're looking
at.

865
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,480
Yeah, you're fine talking.
About the the Santan mountains

866
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,080
there.
Yeah, yeah.

867
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,880
But.
It's on, but it's on the on the

868
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,720
the further.
It's not really Santan Mountains

869
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:56,080
itself.
But it's the it's the, it's the

870
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,560
further kind of mountains itself
that's that's West of that.

871
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,120
And legit, if you took if you
took halls straight down till it

872
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,200
stopped, you could see this
house right there.

873
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,200
And it's just, I'm like, that's
the stupidest place to put a

874
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,600
house.
There's you're looking at dirt.

875
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,600
You're looking at dirt like
Camelback Mountain.

876
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,800
I get you know, but.
Yeah.

877
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,600
I just don't understand why
people are building houses on

878
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,400
mountain sides.
Like stop it because they can.

879
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,120
I know.
Just stop.

880
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,080
It and I'm a realtor.
And I don't want that.

881
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,880
Wow.
All right, we got about. 5

882
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,040
minutes left because you got to
get get to practice.

883
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,000
So what?
What do you guys?

884
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,200
Want to talk about?
Look, you're all speechless.

885
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,880
Give me your top.
Three favorite songs you either

886
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,480
like to I don't give me your top
three favorite songs that we

887
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,360
played that you'd like to
perform live the most oh man,

888
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,120
since I.
Haven't talked to you in what?

889
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,680
20 years now, the only ones I'm
probably gonna.

890
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:09,160
Remember, like the.
Problem is we changed the names

891
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,120
Oh.
OK, well go back to.

892
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:13,640
Go back to when.
Chris was in the band.

893
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,000
What were your three favorite
songs?

894
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,280
Oh.
That's a tough one all.

895
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,080
Right, I'm willing to.
I don't really have favorites.

896
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:25,480
You give me a listen, I'll play
them.

897
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,200
I like them all.
How about that?

898
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:29,280
That's a good answer.
I which?

899
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,320
He's being.
How about this which which 3?

900
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,520
Are you know?
Are you feeling that?

901
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,840
You're close that you want me to
play on.

902
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,400
I guess that that's what we were
to go back your way for sure,

903
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,280
Freeman and.
Listen to your sin.

904
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:44,400
Yeah, OK.
Vision.

905
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,880
Vision.
Yeah, I, I was going to say

906
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,600
vision.
Yeah, if we could pull off

907
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:49,840
energy.
Intervention Divine.

908
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,480
I don't know if we could do that
without Scott.

909
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,040
Yes, God, I'm going to tell you.
Man, it's a whole lot of heart

910
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,880
man.
I've never heard a drummer that

911
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:06,000
actually plays like him.
There might be a few that maybe

912
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:06,960
it.
Reminds me of.

913
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,200
But that was it.
He was a true individual, that's

914
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,720
for sure.
Say about him.

915
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,080
Is he he?
Was the first person.

916
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,920
That ever gave me the confidence
to let me play my guitar the way

917
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,160
that I thought was right.
Because I don't, you know, I

918
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,440
don't necessarily play like
everybody else either.

919
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,280
You know, I wrote in weird time
signatures.

920
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:32,280
Sometimes people who were just
only adept at playing 4/4 time

921
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,440
would tell you that you're
wrong.

922
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,720
And he was the first guy to go.
You're not wrong about anything,

923
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:39,080
man, but it's weird.
So you got to do it a few times.

924
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,320
So I know what you're doing.
I got to count it out, right?

925
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,480
Right.
Basically what he was saying in

926
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,000
a nice way is, I know you're not
counting, you're doing something

927
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,600
weird there, but I dig it,
right?

928
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,080
Yeah.
He didn't just chastise me and

929
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,200
say it's wrong.
I always appreciated that,

930
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,200
right?
It's not.

931
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,200
It's not.
Wrong.

932
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,920
You know, 4-4 doesn't rule the
world and actually it's quite

933
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,320
boring unless you're playing
dance music, Correct.

934
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:05,160
You know so.
Like I was.

935
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,440
Telling you before the show, I
think the Bannerman now they

936
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,880
love Dream Theater.
They've taken me after, like

937
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,040
everyone for the last three
years.

938
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,200
In fact, COVID made me never
want to not when someone says,

939
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,360
hey, you want to go to a
concert.

940
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:23,240
I say yes because being stuck in
a house for over that that was

941
00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:24,320
a.
Nightmare for me.

942
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,640
And I got hey.
Let's just say this, I had it.

943
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,280
Four times I'm still, I'm still
sitting.

944
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,200
I had I had it twice, but.
That's according to them.

945
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,280
I had it four times.
So if the insurance was paying

946
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,440
for it, of course I had it.
But, and here, you know, and I'm

947
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,400
going to tell you something, I
actually studied this and they,

948
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:43,920
they talked about the deaths,
right.

949
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:48,720
The numbers are put in the
deaths were less than 1%, less

950
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:52,600
than .001% of the population of
America.

951
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,360
So, and also the numbers
directly correlated with if we

952
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,000
went back a year or two later
with the flu and the cold, the

953
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,960
death numbers were almost
identical.

954
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,560
We were also.
So it's just that we're paying

955
00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:06,960
the same all they're doing is
paying attention to it now and

956
00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:09,840
telling you about it, whereas
before this stuff was happening

957
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,760
all the time.
There's so many of us here on

958
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,080
this planet.
Something has to kill some of us

959
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,160
or we'll just, you know, we'll
overrun the place.

960
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,280
It's a natural, you know.
Yeah.

961
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,960
The the way I thought about it,
if I if I'm going to die, it's

962
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,200
my time to go.
I don't.

963
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,720
There's no reason to worry about
it.

964
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,480
It's not something to worry
about.

965
00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:29,200
Nope.
And I think we're most people,

966
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:30,960
they die anyway.
Yeah.

967
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,920
Yeah.
And most people that died

968
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,800
probably had some underlying
things already going on.

969
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,920
You know, I've, I've lost a few
people to cancer, you know, in

970
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,600
these, I swear last five years.
And it's just people, too.

971
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,520
Yeah.
It might have, I mean.

972
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,320
Because you never know how
something like that's gonna

973
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:47,760
react.
There's no way you come up with

974
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:48,960
Ohio.
This is going to cure it.

975
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:50,880
In the short amount of time they
did that.

976
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,680
This takes like decades to do.
Here's what kept me from

977
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,400
getting.
That just to put it on the

978
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,840
record, I heard before I ever
decided to either get it or not

979
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,200
get it.
Luckily I heard the statistic

980
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,320
that it took them 50 years to
develop a polio vaccine.

981
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,680
Right, right, right.
And then I'm like, they whipped

982
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,280
up some witches brew in six
months and they're going to jab

983
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,440
that in my arm.
I don't fucking think that I did

984
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:12,920
it once.
And.

985
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,320
I survived it, but the second
time I was like, I don't see

986
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,200
what the point is because I
still got sick and that's what

987
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:20,920
happened to a lot of people.
So the.

988
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,520
Fact they called it a
vaccination was a misnomer

989
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,760
because you got a polio
vaccination and you've never had

990
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,240
polio, right?
You got a small vaccination and

991
00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:32,520
you never got smallpox.
So they kind of lied to

992
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,400
everybody calling it a
vaccination because you just

993
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,680
proved everybody got sick
anyway.

994
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,920
Yeah.
That's the part that pissed.

995
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,000
Me off the most it's like you're
fucking lying to everybody so

996
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,600
that you can make money for the
pharmaceutical companies and

997
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,760
that it's just they're doing it
right in front of your face yeah

998
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,400
I start to think I'm.
Living in a different dimension.

999
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,480
Than everybody else sometimes,
you know, Do you not see this?

1000
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:58,920
Right.
A lot of people, I guess they

1001
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,360
don't care to see it.
It's easier to get your answers

1002
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,040
fed to you and that that's what
and that's part of this, you

1003
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,120
know, this electronic thing like
it's much under.

1004
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:12,480
I heard it was watching, I think
it was your podcast on the

1005
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:13,360
Mason.
Jar.

1006
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:14,960
OK.
And then?

1007
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,800
Chris is all well, I think.
Rick just said he's had, he said

1008
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,960
fuck me, you know, he's mad at
me or something like that.

1009
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,880
I'm like, well, that wasn't, you
know, that wasn't the case.

1010
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,200
I did rib you once, but you were
saying something about take over

1011
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:31,320
the world.
And I said something like, well,

1012
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:32,840
I thought you already did that,
you know, I already did what?

1013
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,600
Take over the world.
But I I am a smart ass, you

1014
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:40,080
know, so but you, you don't hear
my inflection or my little

1015
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,440
joking manner over a text.
And that, that's what sucks

1016
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,480
about the digital communication.
You misunderstandings, you know?

1017
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,880
Yeah, it's all good.
Man Plus I wanted us to laugh.

1018
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,480
After talking about that COVID
stuff, because I know it's like

1019
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,120
politics and religion, we just
get down in the hole and start

1020
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,480
getting mad about things, you
know?

1021
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,480
No, we won't get mad because.
I think we're on the same page

1022
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,520
on most of those things.
Yeah, Yeah, we are with.

1023
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,240
Holy shit, what?
Happened to Christian.

1024
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,640
He's floating in the ether just.
Fucking.

1025
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:09,520
Stupid start talking.
About.

1026
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,360
Politics and religion and the
world.

1027
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,120
The government does.
Stuff that that that no get an

1028
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:15,440
opinion anymore.
They do.

1029
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,560
We've talked about.
That before it's a whole level.

1030
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,720
But yeah, seriously.
Mike, what is the I?

1031
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:21,960
Don't like I don't have a
favorite.

1032
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,880
If you have something in mind,
the black.

1033
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,280
And as far as that goes, I
thought maybe you guys were too

1034
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:27,840
busy.
Maybe I should have reached out

1035
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,040
sooner.
No, no, no, Because you did.

1036
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:30,760
I was.
Like, you know.

1037
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,200
These guys are probably busy
doing stuff, so I was kind of

1038
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,040
waiting to hear your thoughts
from you guys.

1039
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:39,280
Here's what happened.
We started, we started.

1040
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,720
Committing to do.
This show about this time two

1041
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:44,120
years ago.
So yes.

1042
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,440
Yeah, it would have been in
July. him and I started talking

1043
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,480
seriously.
I started buying equipment.

1044
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,120
You know me.
I went all out.

1045
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:53,920
Oh, hell yeah.
I have the best.

1046
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,000
Of the best of.
Everything.

1047
00:50:55,000 --> 00:51:00,800
So I installed all that, got it
up and running about August

1048
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,960
25th, 29th.
We went to 10 hour shifts four

1049
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,600
days a week.
Oh boy.

1050
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,640
He's saying everybody's frozen.
Now we're still here.

1051
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:21,000
I'll say.
No, just you.

1052
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:21,920
Oh.
No weird.

1053
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,480
Sorry, ladies and gentlemen.
Chris is frozen right now.

1054
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,280
I tend to forget we're live on
YouTube and Twitch too, so I

1055
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:28,640
know this would be this would be
a good.

1056
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,920
One, you can put this in the
outtake reel.

1057
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:37,120
So anyway.
At 40 some I was, you know, I

1058
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,880
just, I'm going to turn 52 next
month.

1059
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,360
So I guess I know I'm a year
ahead of you.

1060
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,080
Yeah, because on my end, both.
You guys are.

1061
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,360
Frozen.
I didn't catch that one when I'm

1062
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:50,560
my.
Screen too fast.

1063
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,920
Sorry I got to text this.
Guy back, ladies and gentlemen.

1064
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,880
He'll just have another track.
He's good.

1065
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:09,640
So my dreams of doing.
Music after work.

1066
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,040
Yeah, four days a week,
basically, other than being able

1067
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,320
to practice and play.
So I did have the dream that we

1068
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,880
were going to do the podcast and
record at the same time, but put

1069
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,160
recording on the back burner for
a while.

1070
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,040
I can probably do it now for
sure because we've been doing

1071
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:29,040
this so long.
I developed a routine so much so

1072
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,720
that we do it twice a week.
We were only doing it a week for

1073
00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:35,240
like, yeah, I saw that you guys.
Kind of ramped it up here this

1074
00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:36,760
year.
Are they in the last year?

1075
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,360
Yeah, it was.
Like in March, he put out the

1076
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,240
Feelers.
Do you want to be a guest on the

1077
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:44,560
show?
And he got inundated with, you

1078
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,800
know, like, yeah, awesome.
We didn't think.

1079
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,960
We'd get anybody.
And we got no, you got some, you

1080
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,200
got some really cool.
Inspirational people that assume

1081
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,720
wow actually is that where name
was Yeah, that was wow this

1082
00:52:57,720 --> 00:52:59,240
time.
Like I can relate to a lot of

1083
00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:03,320
this yeah yeah.
That gorgeous woman is on top of

1084
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,320
this.
But, you know, smart.

1085
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,200
Like super smart, really.
Cool.

1086
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,640
Just the stuff she was saying
you could totally relate to,

1087
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,040
sure.
And then you know so.

1088
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,640
And not just a lot of the
episodes.

1089
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,640
You've had a lot of cool people.
I appreciate that man.

1090
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,320
It's been neat to be able to
meet these people and like in

1091
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,600
her case, get an immigrant story
out.

1092
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,560
You know, now you're, you're
listening to her.

1093
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,520
Is this somebody that you would
want to if she still didn't have

1094
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,160
her paperwork?
Is this somebody you'd really

1095
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,760
want to deport right now?
No.

1096
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,280
Somebody that's going to.
College.

1097
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,600
And trying to do the right
thing, right to help the world.

1098
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,640
What she?
What missed out on her dream

1099
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,120
college thing because of that?
Absolutely.

1100
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,680
And I think that's.
So sad, you know, Hey, we got

1101
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,200
double Chris now.
Hey, we got Chris times 2.

1102
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,280
Ladies and gentlemen, this is a
first I.

1103
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,720
I sound out on the other one.
Is it still there?

1104
00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:01,280
Yeah, yeah, for Rick.
And I it is, can you not?

1105
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,960
He's like, I can't.
I just see the three of us.

1106
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,720
I just thought you'd turn.
Into 3 purple dots that flash no

1107
00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:10,120
all my I have.
Two internets and I have two

1108
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,640
internets and for some reason
the satellite gods don't like

1109
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,240
either 1.
I don't know what's going on

1110
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,160
switching back and forth.
It's something, dude.

1111
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,520
And I'm, well, yeah, you know.
What I'd say I was talking about

1112
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,040
music.
I'm also talking about this

1113
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,000
show, if you guys need any help.
Yeah, absolutely.

1114
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,320
Dude, come join us.
You're welcome on.

1115
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,120
Here anytime man.
If you want to run, talk music.

1116
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,160
You know, I love to talk music
and we always have a good banter

1117
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,440
when it comes to that.
So I was hoping, so I was hoping

1118
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,280
I wouldn't.
Just sit here and you know, not

1119
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,840
think of anything to say, but I
wouldn't let you.

1120
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:44,600
I wouldn't.
I wouldn't let.

1121
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:45,360
You be sad.
I was.

1122
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,600
I would poke your brain like no,
I understand that.

1123
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,080
But your last couple guests have
been like, really like, they're

1124
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,680
like, this is a serious show,
you know, thank you.

1125
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,320
Really cool stuff, really
engaging.

1126
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,120
Like the the, you know, I'll be
honest with you, some podcasts

1127
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:00,920
too, and I just kind of snooze
out.

1128
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,240
Might do love them.
Yeah, but it's like you guys

1129
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:06,840
said, yours is just like this.
We're just three people talking

1130
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,400
about things, and it's just
whatever comes up.

1131
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,560
Well, now, yeah, now for the
people who are all listening.

1132
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,800
Ladies and gentlemen of the
world, 21 countries.

1133
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,600
This is another guy who was
sitting there after the show.

1134
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:22,480
This was my idea, was the
conversations that the four of

1135
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,000
us had when we were done before
or after practice, right?

1136
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:29,680
Those are some of my favorite
conversations about life, where

1137
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,280
we're going.
You know, we were young, growing

1138
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:33,840
as people.
Who are we going to be?

1139
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,680
How do we look at the world?
It's our time now, that kind of

1140
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,120
thing.
I missed those conversations,

1141
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:40,920
and that's what I wanted this
show to be.

1142
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,280
Yeah, that's cool.
So you were a member of?

1143
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,640
A lot of those conversations,
yeah.

1144
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,640
And I always appreciate your.
Humor and your ability, If we

1145
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,640
ever had a tense situation, you
had a really good ability of

1146
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,600
saying something goofy or silly
that just brought everybody back

1147
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,720
to reality, you know?
Well, yeah, trust me.

1148
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,400
I have.
There's a dark cloud that

1149
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,080
follows me.
Most of my life.

1150
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:13,760
So it's best to try and find the
joy in the situation.

1151
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:15,880
Yeah, I remember and and.
I was.

1152
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:20,560
The funny part was is I wasn't
very much an angrier person then

1153
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,160
really so.
I I would.

1154
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,680
Attribute to you guys to
bringing out my the side of me

1155
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:30,200
that actually can, you know, be
productive or or or take joy in

1156
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,600
something.
And it was like a, like I said,

1157
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:37,040
a brotherhood, you know, even
more I, I'm, I'm always longing

1158
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,600
for family.
I didn't have a family, you

1159
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,760
know, my parents divorced when I
was 5.

1160
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:46,400
I ended up living with my
father, who was a self loathing,

1161
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,120
hateful person to himself.
So why, if anyone loved him, why

1162
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:54,080
were they worth anything, right?
He's no longer with us.

1163
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:58,280
He actually died about this time
last year, but I hadn't talked

1164
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,080
to him and.
Is that so?

1165
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,200
That's a good thing.
Congratulations, because see,

1166
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,440
when I'm waiting for the time
when my mother never

1167
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,280
congratulations.
The sad part is, it was.

1168
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,840
Yeah, here's here's here's the
messed up thing.

1169
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,280
You know, as much as as much as
I was, I was angry with him and

1170
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,720
and the only thing he gave me
was self loathing and hatred to

1171
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:25,160
be honest with you and
everything in me that that I'm

1172
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:26,360
not.
You know that whole I'm not.

1173
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,160
Good enough.
That's my daily thing I fight

1174
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,800
against, you know, no matter how
good I am, I will never think

1175
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,680
I'm good enough for anything.
And that's some of that too,

1176
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:35,640
dude.
So.

1177
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,280
Yeah, so I'm.
The funny part is that I was

1178
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,480
trying to go to counseling for
the couples thing and then the

1179
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,440
other side of the couple said,
well, no, you're the problem,

1180
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,760
you need to go.
So I went to counseling.

1181
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:50,560
I found out she was the problem.
Not so much that you know she's

1182
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,640
the whole problem, but us
together is a problem.

1183
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,480
So, well, the one thing I'll
say.

1184
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,920
About being an artist is I think
there's a little bit of that in

1185
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,640
all of us because that's how
we're able to channel our our

1186
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,000
our feelings to our audience,
right?

1187
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:06,960
Well, yeah, my favorite people
Comedians.

1188
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,920
Almost all of them had a like a
horrible life.

1189
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,760
Of course, you know, like I
always think it's when your life

1190
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,600
is the worst upbringing.
You're one of my favorite.

1191
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,320
People, yeah.
You wouldn't have been in that

1192
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:18,880
band if you weren't, man, I
don't think.

1193
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,440
I realize.
I know that you looked up to me

1194
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,440
as a player at the time.
Yeah, I really, definitely.

1195
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:25,400
I always knew it.
Dude.

1196
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,800
But I never took advantage of
that because you didn't know it,

1197
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,240
but I looked up to you as well
because without you standing

1198
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,560
there, there was no band, right?
You know.

1199
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:36,760
I appreciated the fact that when
I.

1200
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,240
Looked over on that side of the
stage, you were you had a smile

1201
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,000
that could have cracked the
world, you know?

1202
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:42,640
Oh, yeah, I would that.
I guess that's.

1203
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,840
What it is when your life kind
of sucks, you, you search to it

1204
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,200
more, Yeah.
Well, I mean you as a person.

1205
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,280
You search for something better,
you know you're you're always on

1206
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,000
the search for what's the the
best side of life.

1207
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,000
Sure, I already know what the
worst side is.

1208
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:01,000
I already know what being
miserable is what is you know

1209
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:05,760
what makes people happy.
You know what makes the funny

1210
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,200
part is that 53 it's the first
time in my life I've actually

1211
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,320
been truly alone.
It's probably the first time in

1212
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,480
my life I'm going to find out
who I am as a person.

1213
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:20,040
That's sad 5350, you know, so
this is all happening for a good

1214
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,320
reason and I and I'm sorry I
delayed it, but to be honest

1215
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,720
with you, I was ending a lot of
bad.

1216
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,240
There was a bad chapter in my
life that was ending when you

1217
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:33,880
guys were starting this, so I
hope that it didn't come off as

1218
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,880
I was, you know, bitter about
passing all this stuff.

1219
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,600
Dude, it's it's time.
You just.

1220
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,080
Don't know.
So we, I think we speculated,

1221
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,440
you know, I don't think we ever
said we knew the way it was.

1222
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,240
I think Chris said, you know, I
think this is, you know, I don't

1223
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,800
think he said it was definitive.
But if you don't know, because

1224
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,480
you were the guy who was the
quietest guy, we didn't know a

1225
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,480
lot about you when you were in
the band, right?

1226
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,200
If anybody knew the least about
anybody, they knew the least

1227
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,120
about Rick.
That's my fault though.

1228
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,640
I don't share as much.
Everybody's got their own

1229
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,640
personality, brother.
We knew everything about Scott

1230
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,480
because he started bitching from
the moment you you walk through

1231
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,560
the door.
It's like, here's what's on my

1232
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,040
mind and you're going to hear
about it.

1233
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:14,560
You know?
That was his personality.

1234
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:15,800
Yeah, I have a.
It's like a.

1235
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,160
Kind of a sad Scott story.
Chris was somewhere in between.

1236
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,360
And I was somewhere in between
and you were at the bottom.

1237
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,680
It's like I was the only one
that that he was.

1238
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,600
At one time I'd done something.
His son was like smacking me in

1239
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,360
the ass or something like that.
So I said, hey, cut it out and

1240
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,360
fucking Scott went off on me.
I remember that day.

1241
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,640
And I said, well, I really don't
want to say something I regret.

1242
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,360
So I put my base down and just
walked out.

1243
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:41,120
At that point, I we're living in
Scott's little secondary part of

1244
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:42,080
the house.
Yeah, we were right.

1245
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,200
I was.
Anyway, I don't remember if Mike

1246
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,600
was there.
Yeah, but that that that really

1247
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,000
hurt me.
And I, I didn't want to sit

1248
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,600
there and freak out as I was
actually, I was about to tears

1249
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,520
to be honest with you, because I
was like, this is going to ruin

1250
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,320
something that I know is
something really special.

1251
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:00,560
Thankfully, it didn't.
Because I.

1252
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,520
Cussed him out after.
I was like, yeah, that's not the

1253
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:04,400
way.
You handle it.

1254
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:06,800
That's your brother, man.
That's not just anybody.

1255
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,000
That's and I wasn't race player
man.

1256
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:10,840
Well, I I.
Waited like the.

1257
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,520
Kid was doing it like 5-10 times
in a row and all I said was hey

1258
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:18,240
hey stop it.
I don't know, it was a trip I'm

1259
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:19,920
pretty sure.
It's it's funny things you.

1260
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:24,960
Remembered he did but I have a
sad Scott story like later.

1261
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,000
I want to say this is about
2001.

1262
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,920
I had moved into the the.
One of the guys I worked with

1263
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,680
had a little condo in the Lakes,
and I'm up there in the Lakes

1264
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,800
and I seen a guy rummaging
through like the dumpsters, I

1265
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:39,200
think it was with his youngest
daughter.

1266
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:40,720
And I'm like, that guy looks
familiar.

1267
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:41,840
I went out and it was actually
Scott.

1268
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:45,000
I didn't want to say anything to
embarrass him, but I was like,

1269
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,240
this dude's hit hard times.
He looked, he looked rough.

1270
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,040
This is at 2001.
He went.

1271
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:50,240
So I don't know.
Rough times, man.

1272
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,240
Yeah.
I think that's probably after

1273
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:53,600
his divorce.
Yeah.

1274
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:55,720
Oh yeah.
And it got married again.

1275
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,760
Then he had a oh, did it?
It was.

1276
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,040
Yeah, it was.
Life just started to pile on

1277
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:00,720
top.
Of him.

1278
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:04,000
And I really want to have either
Jeremiah or Carrie come on and

1279
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,200
tell his story because I think
it's right for them to do it

1280
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,560
because they know the story.
Yeah, but nothing.

1281
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,560
Makes me.
Sadder than as much as you two

1282
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,360
were integral and making that
band happen.

1283
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,840
He was there from the beginning
and never gave up on me, right?

1284
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,400
He was the one that kept me
going.

1285
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,320
A lot of people don't know that
there was after we lost our

1286
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,760
first bass player, Slash Singer,
I thought we were done when he

1287
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,320
packed up his drums and left.
I'm like, fuck, my band just

1288
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:31,560
ended and it's all over.
I've.

1289
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:35,040
I've made it like one year in
Arizona and I got to come back

1290
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,800
home with my tail between my
legs because This is why I came

1291
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,520
out here.
And he called me up like 2 weeks

1292
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,760
later and he's like, dude, what
the fuck are you doing?

1293
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:44,720
And I'm like, I thought we were
done.

1294
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,560
He's like, I'm done with that
dude, I ain't done with you.

1295
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,240
You play like a monster.
You know, that's sweet.

1296
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,480
And yeah.
It just warm my heart man.

1297
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,840
So that's what he meant to me
and Scott in.

1298
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,720
Some ways he probably was more
like me.

1299
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:04,840
He did have a lot of issues as
far as like probably sadness and

1300
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:06,800
all that sadness and anger and
stuff like that.

1301
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:10,280
But that he was more, he was, I
was so I'd be as polar opposite.

1302
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,720
He was outward about it, his
anger and everything.

1303
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,040
I was probably inward, correct.
Well, maybe that's what made,

1304
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,640
that's what made the the rhythm
section so tight.

1305
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,680
The dynamic was definitely that
was like, yes, we're both kind

1306
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,280
of on the same spectrum, but
we're on the opposite sides of

1307
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,160
it.
But I had to.

1308
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:26,880
I love Scott.
Me too.

1309
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:28,440
And.
As many times as he might.

1310
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:32,360
Have done something I'm like
dude man and it was it was

1311
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,360
alcohol and that that was him
probably maybe trying to silence

1312
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,680
the demons you know whatever
everyone has to do something to

1313
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,200
it may not be the right way to
handle it but the one thing I

1314
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,880
can say because.
He was my brother and we shared

1315
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,600
the stage many times.
And more importantly, we talked

1316
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,720
for thousands of hours about
life.

1317
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:53,440
And the one thing that we had in
common is there's, you said it

1318
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:59,320
earlier, there's just some kind
of underlying pressure that's I

1319
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,520
don't want to call it negative
and I don't want to make it

1320
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,920
sound like it's, whoa, I'm going
to go down that road too.

1321
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,240
But there's just something that
if you don't calm that voice all

1322
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:11,680
the time, it's dangerous.
But that's also what.

1323
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:13,400
Makes us.
Empathetic towards other

1324
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,880
people's emotions and we feel
their feelings.

1325
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,920
Like you said, there's times
where we walk into a room and

1326
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,440
it's like either I've been here
before or I need to leave

1327
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,560
immediately and right.
Right.

1328
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:26,360
Those are the.
Things that also make.

1329
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,320
You a great artist, so it's not
something you chose to do.

1330
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:33,000
Chris didn't wake up and say I'm
going to be a singer, right?

1331
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,560
He tried to do a few other
things first and he kind of was

1332
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:39,000
drawn into that direction and
all the other things he did

1333
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,920
leading up to that point made
him the front man that he is.

1334
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:45,560
The acting, the writing, you
know, all the work he put into

1335
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,520
that paid off the moment he
stepped on that stage and his

1336
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,280
brain went, OK, now I know why I
went through all that other

1337
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,280
stuff before.
I was the front man of a what

1338
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,880
and and the benefit I.
Had because I have all those, I

1339
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:01,800
have all the human chose that.
Right.

1340
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,120
Yeah, well.
What I'm saying is the reason.

1341
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,880
But the, but the, but the
benefit, the benefit of, of me

1342
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,440
is, is I learned how to use
those demons in a proactive way

1343
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,800
because of writing and then
reacting and then the singing.

1344
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,400
That's how I purged all that.
That's how I got all that

1345
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,040
darkness out of me to the I
mean, it's still in there, but

1346
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,560
it's it, it left to the point to
where it became manageable

1347
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,000
within the soul and it didn't.
Control it and.

1348
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:30,160
That was from a, from a singer
standpoint, that was that gift

1349
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:31,840
that I had.
And that was, I didn't realize I

1350
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,240
was going to go into music when
I, when I learned I could be a

1351
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,520
writer.
But that's, that's what kept me

1352
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:38,160
sane.
That's what kept me from going

1353
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,880
even darker down the path of
alcoholism or whatever else I

1354
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,720
could have ended up doing
because I had the outlet.

1355
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:45,200
My brother didn't have the
outlet.

1356
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,400
His life was fucked up for years
and years and years.

1357
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,640
She's finally turned it around.
But he played the blame game on

1358
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:51,200
every.
Same with.

1359
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:52,920
That's the same.
With my brothers, right?

1360
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:53,920
So I didn't.
That's the.

1361
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:57,200
Benefit of of Yeah, my youngest.
The creative side that helped

1362
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:00,040
me.
Maintain some little level of

1363
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:04,200
sanity when really there was
always something like going on

1364
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:05,800
in my brain.
You guys, most people just

1365
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,960
didn't realize it because I had
the outlets and the outlets were

1366
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:13,080
what I needed to to purchase
stuff, you know, most.

1367
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:14,280
People don't have that, so
that's one of.

1368
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:16,480
The cool things about it, well,
I had those same conversations.

1369
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,520
With you, I didn't know that you
had all that going on, Right,

1370
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,520
Right, I would say.
Thankfully, Chris, that you

1371
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,280
turned, you turned this into
something positive and looking

1372
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,520
at your life where it is now, it
makes me happy.

1373
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,480
You know, things, the things
that you've accomplished, the

1374
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,800
fact that you've been with, you
know, you've created a family.

1375
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,520
It's something I would always
wanted to do, but it might not

1376
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,880
just be in the cards for me, but
it's fun.

1377
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:45,440
It's cool to see, you know how
you use use these things like in

1378
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:49,040
your personality and you use
them to your benefit.

1379
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,640
The real estate thing I might, I
was like that, this is perfect

1380
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:54,400
for him.
Like I would never thought like

1381
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,360
when I first met him, oh, he's
going to be a real estate guy.

1382
01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:00,040
No, I would never think that.
But watching you do it, seeing

1383
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:03,760
you in your element, it's like
that's kind of where this, you

1384
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,560
know, everything that we've done
and it, well, maybe we can use

1385
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,520
Nemesis as that.
That was like our Nemesis,

1386
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:12,080
Nemesis 2. .0 about about life
made.

1387
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:16,280
Together.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2.0 It's

1388
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:17,960
coming.
Now he's got to find.

1389
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:22,840
Yeah, no, it's.
Coming you're you're.

1390
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:24,960
Back in the mix.
So now it's just I have somebody

1391
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:26,040
in mind, I think.
And.

1392
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:29,640
I have somebody in.
Mind, I think can.

1393
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:33,400
Program some drums for us and if
I can get that laid down, then

1394
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,040
the rest will be a piece of cake
because you have a way to record

1395
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:37,600
at your house and I have a way
to record.

1396
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,320
Yeah, and I mean I could.
I could piece together drums

1397
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:42,720
pretty easy too through Logic
and stuff like that you're

1398
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,040
about. 30 minutes.
You're about 30 minutes from me,

1399
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:47,040
Rick.
So we're not that far from a

1400
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:51,080
location standpoint, yeah.
That's true.

1401
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:53,960
Simple or as complex?
As you.

1402
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,560
Want be for?
Freeman.

1403
01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:01,040
And send me a WAV file, I'll lay
down a guitar part for you.

1404
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,840
All right, the cool the.
Cool thing about logic it, it

1405
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:09,520
might not be Scott like, but it
it will follow your instrument

1406
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:11,960
if that makes sense.
And you can actually go in there

1407
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:16,319
and play with it as well.
OK, I've learned a lot.

1408
01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:17,880
Like I I wanted to be an
engineer.

1409
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:19,439
I know me too.
I've been to.

1410
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,840
Like.
MCC I have to drop a couple of

1411
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:26,080
courses right now.
I actually there's a studio in

1412
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,520
the the band I'm with now and we
actually record and I actually

1413
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:33,960
mix down all our stuff and I did
a master form and they liked it

1414
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,200
as much as the Professional 1.
So I'm learning how to master

1415
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:39,920
through this band too.
So I don't doubt that it's

1416
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:41,319
pretty cool.
Had a great year for.

1417
01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:42,240
Music.
You know I would.

1418
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,279
Be silly to say that anybody
that I chose to play with was

1419
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:46,920
anything other than a
professional.

1420
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:48,720
You know, that would make me
look bad.

1421
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:51,439
So take.
That with pride too you.

1422
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:53,160
Know, thank you.
I mean that.

1423
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:56,120
That's always been my goal to be
like, you know, the the major

1424
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,680
producers.
Well, if you can get me that.

1425
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:00,800
Drum file and your bass along
with it.

1426
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,840
I'll lay down a guitar part and
then, like Chris said, if you

1427
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:07,960
guys wanted, get together at his
studio and have Rick lay down

1428
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:09,439
your vocal.
I'm done.

1429
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,680
I'll be done just like that.
There you go.

1430
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:13,760
All I need is a drum.
Track and a bass track.

1431
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,720
And I'll go from there.
OK, so.

1432
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:21,359
Basically give me what you might
have already because that way I

1433
01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:24,439
need to make sure the timing and
all that is correct.

1434
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,560
So it's going to be, you know,
for you're going to be able to

1435
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,000
play.
I'll send you some WAV files in

1436
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:29,560
an.
E-mail.

1437
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:31,279
Perfect.
Just give me a couple.

1438
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:32,960
Days because I.
Have all of them.

1439
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,120
I'll send you nothing man too.
That was a fun.

1440
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:37,640
It's.
Not a hurry, you know.

1441
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,240
It's when you can.
You guys are busy, then you do

1442
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,439
what you can.
When you can, we all have jobs,

1443
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:44,840
so there's no hurry.
It's like Chris said, it's just

1444
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:46,399
cool.
We're moving in this direction.

1445
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:48,720
Again, we didn't know what was
going to happen with this

1446
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:50,399
podcast and this is what
happened.

1447
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:52,120
You know when we're going to
keep doing it, it's going to

1448
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:55,080
keep growing.
But two years ago, we didn't

1449
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:56,480
know if anybody was going to
listen.

1450
01:09:56,480 --> 01:09:59,480
So if we're moving forward with
music in any direction that

1451
01:09:59,480 --> 01:10:01,920
makes me happy, we'll talk to
you again, man.

1452
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,280
Definitely.
Are we?

1453
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,360
Going to let him go because.
It's it's 425.

1454
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,600
So he's Chris.
I'm like, that's, that's

1455
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:09,800
William.
That's William.

1456
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:11,840
And I remember and remember
boys, you're always directing

1457
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:12,720
me, brother.
I, I I'll.

1458
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,200
Never stop saying that.
So just get used to it.

1459
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:16,240
Yeah.
William, Richard.

1460
01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:18,960
William Richard.
Carter 4th And hey, don't let

1461
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:20,680
the bad days win.
If you're feeling bad or you're

1462
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,160
feeling sad, reach out to
somebody.

1463
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,560
Don't don't be that person that
leaves a hole in somebody's

1464
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:25,560
heart.
Somebody does love you.

1465
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,880
Somebody will miss you, so, you
know, go write something down

1466
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,240
South, scream in a pillow, you
know, go meditate, whatever it

1467
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,200
is you got to do to feel better
about yourself today because

1468
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:36,360
tomorrow is a better day.
So wake up and smile so much,

1469
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:36,920
man.
Yeah.

1470
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:38,480
Love you brothers, you guys are.
Awesome.

1471
01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:39,600
I love you man.
Love you group.

1472
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:44,160
Hug, group hug.
Group hug Group hug so great to.

1473
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:46,840
Talk to you again.
Definitely all.

1474
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,480
Right, all right.
See you.

1475
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:02,880
Look the tablet, go insane.
Feel the tears.

1476
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:14,650
Open your eyes on your journey.
Feel the trail behind your eyes.

1477
01:11:15,450 --> 01:11:24,450
Feel yourself and meet yourself.
Take a moment, look at you and

1478
01:11:24,530 --> 01:11:28,890
see it.
Watch your bail on the tears.

1479
01:12:49,740 --> 01:12:59,430
Come down here, we haven't
found.

1480
01:12:59,510 --> 01:13:03,670
Something in the.
Sand it's fun fighting.

1481
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:08,190
Wait for the day when it's
closer out.

1482
01:13:08,230 --> 01:13:09,550
Here.
For the wind.

1483
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:16,200
The creature we're playing smile
and you should you press on the

1484
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:22,400
almighty day.
You gotta dream who in your life

1485
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:30,840
to keep our soul in every day?
Take the trail behind your eyes.

1486
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:43,040
Feel the soul evolution now.
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1487
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:46,040
yeah.
Take a moment.

1488
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:50,280
Look at what you see here.
Fight the battle with you more

1489
01:13:51,520 --> 01:14:19,000
clear.
You gotta, you gotta.

1490
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,280
You gotta, you gotta, you gotta.