#125 - Michelle Steiner - Navigating Life with Disabilities

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Ha ha ha ha.
What's up the boys and roses

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person like with our with our
guest Michelle, ladies and

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gentlemen.
So again, thank you for joining

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us.
We are Chris and Mike and she's

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Michelle.
This is Chris and Mike.

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So we are actually broadcasting
live on the YouTube as well as

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Twitch right now.
So I was talking to some of my

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son Jake earlier, Mike and I
told him, dude, we'll be on

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YouTube at 3:00, join in.
He's like, OK pops, I will even

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right on.
Even though he's doing Marine

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things, you know, he can still
he's in the office today.

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So that's kind of fun.
So we have, I'm in Arizona,

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Mike's in Illinois.
Where are you at, Michelle?

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Pennsylvania.
I see.

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I was going to say Pennsylvania
pre show 'cause I kind of, I

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kind of picked up the accent.
Yeah, right.

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And my wife's from Punxsutawney.
I'm sure you know where that is.

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Yes, I I do.
We're just an hour from

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Pittsburgh.
So yeah, yeah, definitely.

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You could always pick up the the
Pennsylvania.

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Accent, right?
Good old Punxsutawney Phil.

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So are you a Steelers fan?
Let's get the Let's get the

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serious stuff out of the way.
Since you're from Pennsylvania,

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you're a Steelers fan.
I'm not much into sports, but I

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of course, the Steelers,
definitely.

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Yeah.
I've always said a big one.

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Yep.
Cool.

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So you're super excited about
Aaron Rodgers being your

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quarterback.
Now say no.

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That answer would be no.
Much into sports.

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Why?
That's why you just say no.

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You just say no.
I will ask my husband.

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Yeah, your husband will agree.
It's I.

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Think he's probably going to say
no as well.

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You.
Know yeah, there's a meme out

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there where where he's on a it's
it's it's an old guy I don't

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know who he is but he's like,
you know just he was introducing

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their new quarterback and he's
like an old dude on a Walker

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and.
You know.

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Call it a career, man.
Call it a career.

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So, OK, so we can't talk sports
because she doesn't like sports.

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Wow.
OK, that's fine.

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You know, everybody's a sports.
Not like we are, but we're not

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really sports.
Not we just live in the world.

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So watch it for.
We do watch it for entertaining

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and fun, so let's chat a little
bit about you, Michelle.

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Where are you originally from?
Pennsylvania.

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Yes.
OK.

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And what is it that why are you
here today?

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Why did you want to come on our
show?

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Let's chat a little bit about
that.

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Give us your give us your
elevator speech.

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We're on an elevator with Mike
and I.

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We're going up 30th floor.
You got like a minute to tell us

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who you are and why you want to
come on this rapidly growing,

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fast-paced, energized podcast
that's taking over the world. 21

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countries, mind you.
That's good.

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That's good.
Well, my name is Michelle

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Steiner.
I live in Pennsylvania with my

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husband Ron or two cats, Jack
and Sparrow. 2 cats.

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Is it from from Pirates of the
Caribbean?

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Yes, when we adopted them that
the people that we got them from

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were huge Disney fans and we
thought the names were just so

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cute.
We didn't want to change them.

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Yeah.
And that's right.

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And I also, I work in a school
as a para educator or a

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teacher's aide with students who
have disabilities.

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And I also, I'm a writer, I'm a
speaker and I'm a photographer.

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And I have a blog called
Michelle's Mission where I write

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about my life with having a
learning disability.

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And my goal or the mission
statement of where I'm at is to

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encourage, empower and educate
people with and without

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disabilities.
That's.

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Awesome.
I'm Googling it right now.

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Michelle's mission, Where are
you?

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Oh, that was weird.
I went to AI mode.

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Wow, holy smoke.
So Google has this AI mode and

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there's and OK, there's, there's
lots of Michelle missions.

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So how do I find you?
I am ww.michellesmission.com.

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Yeah, that's what I did.
Weird hold.

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On I can.
Always get out of it.

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There you go, Michelle.
Oh, Michelle's mission.

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There's my dad.
I did, I did.

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I didn't pluralize that.
Got to pluralize it Got to.

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Pluralize it plural, Plural I.
Can always put the link in the

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chat too, no big deal.
You're all good, Michelle.

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Commission there.
It is a blog to encourage,

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empower and educate people with
and without the abilities.

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I like that.
Outstanding.

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And you have a podcast.
I don't have a podcast but I put

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where the links of where I
podcast up and.

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On I've been on a lot of
podcasts.

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Wow, this is going.
To be the most fun one you've

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ever been on, ever, in your
entire life.

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Of.
Course, we guarantee it.

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You're just going to be.
Like wow, where these guys been

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all my life.
Find your waves and sword.

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I like that.
I like that very cool.

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And and so the nice thing about
this, people watching and and

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tuning in on YouTube and Twitch
pluralize it.

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Michelle's mission.com on the
top, it has her, her Instagram,

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her Facebook, all the resources,
how to contact her.

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There's a press, there's there's
all the news articles and stuff.

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There's a store.
The podcast has been on our

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social feeds and her blog
itself.

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I'm a huge Blogger too, so I dig
the whole blog concept, so I

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love that.
And do you blog actually on the

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site or is it somewhere else?
You blog in the RSS feed it.

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I blog on the site.
OK, cool.

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Right on.
Outstanding.

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Wow, that's a lot of blogs man.
Yeah.

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How long have you been doing
that?

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I've done that for about 5 years
now.

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I started whenever the pandemic
began.

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I had a grant from Disability
Pride in Philadelphia, so that

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that encouraged me to start
that, but I wrote about having a

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disability a few years prior to
that.

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In fact, writing and reading has
always been really big in my

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life, especially when I was in
school and I was being bullied

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as a kid.
I really writing and reading

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became my world.
And I was really lucky as a

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teenager that I found an adult
writing group whenever I was 16

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or 17.
And I mean, these people really

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encouraged me to write about
having a a disability.

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And 20 some years later, we
still meet once a month to talk

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about her writing and we're in
each other.

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It's so cool.
Yeah, at the time, though, I

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decided, oh, I'm just going to
put that on the shelf.

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That's way too personal.
And I, I've read some really bad

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poetry and some other things I
don't, would not want to read

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today.
But when I finally.

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Everybody's got to start
somewhere.

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Yeah, exactly.
For the people that are

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listening at home, obviously you
know you're talking about having

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your own disabilities.
Reading and writing are not one

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of them.
So what are your disabilities?

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I have dyscalculia which is a
math disability I have.

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What is that for the Yeah,
explain I don't even know what.

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I don't know either so.
Treat us.

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Like we're five year olds and
give us the kindergarten.

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Right when you have this
calculia it it it means that I

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have trouble with math, but it
goes beyond just being bad at

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math.
This is something where I can

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understand very basic concepts,
but it it capped off at a very

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early stage of that.
And I also it it impacts me

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outside the classroom.
I will confuse my right for my

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left.
I cannot read the face of an

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analog clock, despite having
many interventions with that.

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Still to this day.
Yep, still to this day.

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That's crazy.
Yeah, I mean, if you give me a

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running start, I can usually
keep track of it.

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But if I was just do a blind
read I I can't tell you what

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time it is and.
So now with the math, is it just

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something you cannot do?
Can you not put the numbers

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together?
Does it get scrambled in your

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brain or, you know, kind of
describe to myself and the

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people that are listening, what
are you experiencing when you're

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trying to do math?
Where the rest of us, I'll say

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we suck at it, but we can figure
it out, right?

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Right.
Well, for me, I have not

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memorized all my addition, all
my subtraction, multiplication,

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all those tables have not have
that memorized.

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But even if you would give me a
calculator, it's still really a

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struggle for me past a very
basic level.

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It's just really trying to
figure out how numbers will

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work.
So you might give me a formula

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and sometimes that working
memory doesn't, just doesn't do

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that.
We, we don't know for sure why

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certain people are just really
bad at it or really and why

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people have that.
But I'm not, I've always

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struggled with that.
I've get the worksheets and I

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could, I just couldn't do a lot
of that.

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And I really had a lot of
difficulty.

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And I mean, it can everything is
what we might even say goes to

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one source.
I mean I'm also not able to

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drive but that also is the
visual perception and it also

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goes to the index.
Everything just seems like it

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comes to a brain based SO.
Do you not have the proper depth

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perception?
Is that why you can't drive?

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Exactly.
OK, wow.

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So the first time I ever got
high, I felt like I was, this is

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like when I was in high school.
OK, so I'm not, I'm not the

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Stoner or anything, but we
talked about this on our Ozzy

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Osbourne tribute show, 'cause
you realize the first time I

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ever, it was not a bad thing,
but some people, you know, so I

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don't think Jake ever realizes
that I, I got stoned.

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So now if my son's watching,
he's really what dad?

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So, right, Why Mike?
So that was an accident.

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So, but, but I remember the
first time ever doing that

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because it was with my brother
and a couple of his friends and

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there's a whole peer pressure
thing, you know, you got to do

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this man, because, you know,
whatever Ozzy was playing and

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that was my first introduction
to Ozzy.

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So by the time he kicked in and
we went home to get money, go to

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711 munchies, I, I remembered I
felt like I was walking on the

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moon, right.
So, and so that in my head

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obviously was a depth perception
thing because I thought, I

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thought the ground was, was a
lot.

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I don't know if it was lower or
higher.

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So.
You felt like your feet were way

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off.
The ground so was, so was.

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So the reason I'm, I bring this
up because I want to, I want to

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compare is that, is that what
depth perception's like for you,

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the visual perception like you
just you don't, you don't know

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how to.
I don't want to sound stupid,

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but you don't like you put your
foot down, but in your brain

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like oh shit, is that actually
the ground?

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So is an easy way for you.
It does.

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OK.
An easier way for you to make

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sense of it, Chris, as a driver
is you can tell how quickly you

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have to slow down based on how
far the truck or the car in

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front of you is correct.
OK, OK.

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She would never be able to do.
That she would.

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Rear end people all the.
Time I would because I mean I

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she.
Can't tell how far that is in

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front.
Of her that's what your.

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Depth perception does.
Right where I am, like, in

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space.
I mean, gym class was a

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nightmare for me.
I'll clinch every time a ball

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comes in my direction.
I bet.

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Yeah.
So that was really hard for me

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to be able to do a lot of that.
And my parents kind of knew

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whenever I turned 16 that this
was going to be an issue.

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We didn't know how big of an
issue it was going to be though.

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So we waited a year and then
they have, we've lived out in

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the country and they had me do
little things before we even

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considered studying from a test
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They, we have this field and
they said, well, why don't you

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go mow the field?
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perfect straight lines, I ended
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So I always say that I know.
I now know where crop circles

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come from.
It's Michelle did it.

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Michelle did it.
You've heard it here 1st and the

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Chris and Mike showed the crop
circle epidemic and solved

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mystery has been solved.
It's Michelle.

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Michelle did it Roof.
That's great.

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I love.
It and then my parents had me

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drive up.
We had a really long drive late.

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I was in the car with my mom and
she said, well, do you want to

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drive?
And I said, OK.

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So we drove up the driveway and
thank God my mom was in the car

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with me or else I would have
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And this is what my mom said.
This is beyond just somebody.

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It's not going to be the, the
next greatest athlete or

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something to that extreme.
We knew that this was going to

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have to get looked at.
So I was really lucky.

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I got connected with an agency
called Office for Vocational

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rehabilitation.
And they paid all for all of my

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years of college, but they also
paid for me to get a driver's

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license evaluation.
They, they don't do that now.

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They won't pay for it, but they
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Thankfully they did.
And it was at a rehabilitation

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hospital.
And I can remember we went

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through a whole battery of
tests.

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I mean, I went, I passed I knew
what to do if the car broke

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down.
I, I knew, you know what, what

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perhaps I was the responsibility
of being a driver, the vision

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test, perfect vision to be able
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And then we got to the, the last
part, which was visual

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perception.
And she said, based upon your

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score, I don't think that it's
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at this time.
And it just felt like 100 lbs

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was lifted off of me at that.
Point so So here's a question.

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So you're 16.
When did when did this condition

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start presenting itself?
Were you younger and just didn't

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realize it?
It did when I was in

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kindergarten.
They knew when I, when I was

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very young that I had that I
went to the eye doctor and they

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gave different things for me to
do to try to with my visual

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perception, with my, with my eye
hand coordination.

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I remember my dad, he had a
wiffle ball or a bat and then

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like a wiffle ball and he tied
it to the ceiling and then that

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I had to hit the ball.
That was one of my exercises and

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I had to walk.
He made a balance beam for me

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and I walked across that, but.
How hard?

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How hard was it to hit the
wiffle ball hanging from the

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ceiling?
I mean, it was somewhat of a

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challenge, but I got better at
got better at doing that.

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You know, we tried to do
different things to try to see

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if that was going to work or not
and just, yeah, it, but it

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really didn't work in that
thing.

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But I mean, I haven't let it
stop me.

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I still go to the gym and I'll
still go to group exercise

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classes.
And I just have to realize, OK,

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yeah, these people are.
I just have to make enough space

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and yeah, and just give myself
that grace and do stuff like

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that.
But that was one of the big

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factors that they did with with,
yeah, just seeing about driving.

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Do you feel like because you've
been disadvantaged in these

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several ways, do you notice
things that you're better at

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than other people?
Are you aware of those things?

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Yes, one of the things is with
taking.

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I'm also a photographer and
people will tell me that I bring

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out the details in a flower that
they miss.

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And when I don't get a, when I
don't have a ride, I mean, I'm

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really lucky my husband can take
me to work.

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I have a great Co worker who
takes me home at the end of the

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day.
But sometimes I don't have a

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ride to get places and I live in
a central location.

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So I get that's that literally
that chance to stop and smell

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the roses.
And I get to notice these, these

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details that other people don't
get to see.

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I get to see the flower.
I get to see other really neat

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things and I can capture that
and I just think to myself,

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rather than being sad, that's
something that I'm able to do

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that other people don't get that
chance because they're busy in

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their lives.
So you find yourself literally

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stopping to smell the roses.
You're paying attention to

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detail in things that you notice
other people just whizz on by

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and don't even give it a second
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Nope, they don't.
That's.

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Really cool.
That is cool.

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And another thing too, I think
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When I work with my students,
I'm able to really understand

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what a lot of them are going
through.

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Not every single one, but a lot
of times it's like hearing a

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recording of myself.
I hate my disability.

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I wish I didn't have it.
I'm not smart.

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And I get to tell them it's not
a bad thing to have a disability

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and I get to show them how to
advocate.

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And I think I would always be
geared towards helping people,

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but I don't think I would know
how it it would honestly feel if

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I didn't go through it myself.
I don't have, I don't have a

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disability, but where I'm going
to be able to sympathize with

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you and I'm going to have gone
through the same thing is I had

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allergies when I was a kid.
So obviously kids, I guess you

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could say I was bullied, but you
know, I got tired of hearing

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about it.
It's like you can't do this, you

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can't do that.
You know, kids are mean.

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But the other thing is I was
sick a lot.

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So I was isolated.
I couldn't go out for recess.

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I couldn't participate in gym
class.

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So I spent a lot of time
reading, you know, and by myself

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with the teacher And the empathy
part, I really, I, I, that

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really hits me hard because I
think a lot of my empathy came

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from that.
You know you can see when other

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people are different or
disadvantaged than you are.

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You're not going to be the first
person to make fun of that

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person, right?
You're going to try and pick

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them up however you can.
Exactly.

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And that is one of the things
you can.

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Yeah.
You're not what you're going to

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be able to uplift them.
And I also show them how to

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advocate.
And I always just say this, that

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for my students, one day will
end up leaving me.

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And I hope that they're able to
graduate, achieve every single

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dream that they went after.
But for a lot of them, their

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disability is going to stay.
So they have to learn.

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Yeah.
And the power that you have

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having those, those
disabilities, they have

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something to relate to, which is
cool because like, like, like my

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grandson, a little man, he has a
little bit of speech issue.

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So he has to go to a speech
therapist to kind of work with,

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you know, certain annunciations
like the TH sound, you know,

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what's the last one we did?
But I could see if we can't get

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that cured as he goes moves
along in school, he's going to

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get bullied in TS and things
like that.

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And to me, it's it's always more
impactful when the person that

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in your case you're you're
you're helping the students

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around you, but you've been
there, done that.

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So they have somebody they can
they can attach themselves to.

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You know what I mean is am I
making am I making sense?

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Absolutely.
Sometimes I don't feel like I'm

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making sense.
So but you have that experience,

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you know, like been there, done
that.

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So you know, the struggle is
first hand.

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You know what it's like to go to
school and get, like Mike said,

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picked on, maybe bullied, things
like that, because you're just a

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little bit different than the
norm.

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That I think is is really cool
that you do that because it is

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it should give them, empower
them.

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That's what I was looking for.
It should be able to empower

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them more because hey, Michelle,
Michelle overcame this and now

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look what she's doing.
She's helping others and she's

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got a blog and she's got this,
you know, all these different

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outlets that she's doing.
That's cool that I like that.

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I like the fact that you're
using that as a vehicle to help

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others and and you know, bring
light to their lives as opposed

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to them just, you know,
everybody because when you have

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those kind of things, right,
there's a depression that can

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set in, right?
What was me?

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Why am I different than self
pity and all that especially?

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When you're getting picked on
constantly, right?

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Yeah.
Exactly.

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And that's one of the things, a
lot of them, I'm.

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I'm also really good at with
kids that might be getting

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bullied by somebody else.
Yeah.

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What do you tell these?
Kids, I would be interested for

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the people that are listening at
home, if they have family

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members with special needs,
maybe this will be something

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that'll help them.
What do you tell those kids that

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come to you?
And they say, you know, Miss

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Michelle, I'm getting bullied
all the time.

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What do I do, you know?
Well, one of the things I do is

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I always give them the option if
they want to report it, it's

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always an option.
I say it's your choice.

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But I said there are some things
you might be able to do that

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might help you belong.
Like for example, if it's the

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lunch room and somebody's
sitting at your lunch table and

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you're getting picked on, maybe
go try sit at somebody else's

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table because and then if they
ask you about it, just be like,

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OK, just trying out a different
lunch table.

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I mean, the little things like
that, I try to tell them to not

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to not to give that ammo to, you
know, fueled with a fire either.

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So if you know that somebody
that's going to make they know

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that it's making you upset,
that's going to make it a lot

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worse.
So sometimes just maybe ignoring

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certain things.
I mean, obviously if it does

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involve something that's abuse,
we do want that to be taken care

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of and handled.
But I find that a lot of times

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when kids just learn.
That, you know, it's, I'm not

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going to show that it really
bothers me.

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Don't move on to pick on to
somebody else.

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And that's what I try to deal
with a lot of them.

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And sometimes I'll even take
them out of the room.

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I remember I had a couple of
students that I was working with

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last year and it was like during
a study hall for people that had

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disabilities for our students.
And the one girl was getting

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picked on by a couple of boys.
And I'd have her sit beside me.

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And then if they tried picking
on her, I would just kind of

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deflect like, oh, Oh no, she
didn't do that.

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That was me.
And they didn't know what to

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say.
And then sometimes we even went

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to an Art Room where we would
make crafts during classes.

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She had her work done and we
would talk about what was going

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on.
And that got her out of the room

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away from them.
And but we, I just really

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encourage them not to make a big
deal out of that.

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That's a good, that's a really
good approach.

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Right.
That's solid advice.

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And that's one thing that I've
always done my whole life.

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But I always joke with Chris,
I'm not big enough to be picking

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on people, right?
So I always got to think of ways

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to defuse the situation.
A lot of times it is just to

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remove yourself from that
situation.

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You know, just say I'm not going
to entertain you picking on me.

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It's as long as it's like you
said, as long as it's not

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abusive.
If somebody's abusing somebody

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physically, then we have a whole
different conversation.

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But I was alluding to more what
you were saying as you know, how

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do we talk people down off the
ledge and just make them

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uninterested in what's going on?
And a lot of times it is

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ignoring them.
Yeah, exactly.

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They feed off that they think
you're going to, they think

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they're going to make you cry or
they're going to ruin your day

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or, you know, whatever you can
think of that you know, bullies

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do.
And I had that experience

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growing up.
I can remember being really

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emotional about that or just
getting really upset.

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I have one girl in particular.
It was, you know, even back to

451
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,920
the point of threats.
And luckily I was I was seeing a

452
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,080
guy that was a couple years
older than I was and I was

453
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,960
telling him about and he goes,
you know, I think she's just

454
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,920
blowing smoke.
Next time she says something,

455
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,640
just be real casual about it.
And I'll never forget this is

456
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,640
when we had pay phones and I was
walking through the hall and she

457
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,880
told me I'm I'm going to kill
you and I hate you.

458
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,240
And I said, oh, that's nice,
have a great day.

459
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:24,360
And that incredulous look on her
face was just priceless.

460
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,800
And I was really lucky though
that that's all it was, was just

461
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,720
smoke and mirrors.
Right.

462
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,960
What would have what would have
been great because you the pay

463
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,720
phones, if you had a quarter,
you could have Travis trittered.

464
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,960
Oh, here's a quarter call
someone who cares that's.

465
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,480
True.
Talk about an irrelevant song

466
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,160
now, because people like what
quarters?

467
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,040
What do you need a quarter to
call somebody for?

468
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,400
I have a cell phone, right?
Exactly.

469
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:52,320
What's 1/4?
These kids don't even know what

470
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:53,600
money is.
No.

471
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,200
They and see there's something
to be said too, ignoring it

472
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,880
because you have to be a very
strong willed person to ignore

473
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,240
somebody that's constantly
berating you or not physical but

474
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,080
but vocal and verbally and and
digging.

475
00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:11,120
It hardly to do as a kid.
Yeah, it really is it.

476
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,760
Really is because it's hard
enough to be a kid and then you

477
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,400
got to go be a teenager.
You're going to go through

478
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,000
puberty, you know, and so then
you're dealing with this on top

479
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,320
of all of that.
That's a drag.

480
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:23,920
That would be.
That would be a drag.

481
00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:25,560
Yeah.
Terrible.

482
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,720
But look at you now.
That's awesome.

483
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:30,480
That's awesome.
So married.

484
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:31,800
Oh, sorry.
Go ahead, Mike.

485
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,320
Oh yeah, I am.
I've been married for 10 years

486
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,160
now.
Right on any kids.

487
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,480
No kids, 2 cats.
As I said, those are our kids.

488
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:43,960
Jack and Sparrow.
OK, cool, cool.

489
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,200
And then what do you do?
What do you do for fun?

490
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,040
Because obviously you're not
living in the classroom and

491
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,800
stuff like that.
I have a lot of friends where we

492
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,880
do like a lot of reading, like a
lot of writing and things we we

493
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,360
like to do that.
I also, my husband and I love to

494
00:23:58,360 --> 00:24:02,200
travel.
We love to go and visit museums

495
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,440
and gardens.
We were at State College over

496
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,280
the weekend celebrating his
birthday and we went to a museum

497
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,800
and.
Is that where Penn State is?

498
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,840
That is, I spoke at a conference
last year and he really liked

499
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,080
going to the museum.
Second largest outdoor football

500
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,000
stadium in the world.
Wow.

501
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:25,160
University of Michigan.
So what's your husband do?

502
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:30,040
He works for a call Center for
cable and Internet so.

503
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,480
So he's the he's the guy that
you yell at.

504
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,080
My internet's not working.
Yeah, and he gets to fix it at

505
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,240
the house.
Well, Sir, did you did you turn

506
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,600
it off?
I don't want to turn it off.

507
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,840
I want it to work, man.
Come on, you should know the

508
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,240
problem.
And I need it to work right now.

509
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,680
I'm sure he always hears that,
yeah.

510
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,400
And.
I'm the one that does have the

511
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,240
patients sometimes.
Yeah, that would that's, I think

512
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,920
that'd be a stressful job, like
right next to, you know, maybe

513
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,880
one lots below the 9/11 operator
because you're always dealing

514
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,440
with people who are frustrated
and angry and and mad.

515
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,800
And you know, like so you, you
referenced on your on your

516
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,040
website here, because I have
your website up boys and girls,

517
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,640
if you want to go there to
michellesmission.com and that's

518
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,840
pluralized.
There's there's a massive blog

519
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,720
in there.
You have social feeds, podcast.

520
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,240
That's all podcast she's been
on.

521
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,680
She has some press releases in
there.

522
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,800
You have a store.
What's in the store?

523
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,600
I saw my Prince, that.
Oh, your photography.

524
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,400
Of my photography, yeah.
I'm going to have to go look at

525
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,880
that.
There's a There's a what is you

526
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,280
got a pink flower.
What is that?

527
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,760
That is a pink Lily, that is.
Oh, there it is.

528
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:36,680
Yellow.
See.

529
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,520
Rating is fundamental.
If I would have just looked to

530
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,000
the right, I would have saw a
photo of Pink Lily.

531
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,880
Wow.
Oh, I like the Rose, the Rose in

532
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,520
the middle with the the.
I don't know what kind of rose

533
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,840
that is, but it's it's gorgeous.
Yeah.

534
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,360
Very nice.
Thank you.

535
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,280
Oh, there's Jack and Sparrow
real.

536
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:56,680
Yeah.
They are.

537
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,240
Oh yeah.
Chris has a love hate

538
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:02,480
relationship.
I can't.

539
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,960
I don't like cats, but it you
know, when we're on a computer

540
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,680
it's fine because they're not
bothering me.

541
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,760
I was referring to the one that
kept destroying your backyard.

542
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:10,840
Right.
Oh, I know I don't.

543
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,080
Know I hate that.
I mean, yeah.

544
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,280
Yeah, they were his neighbors.
Neglectful owners.

545
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,840
Yeah, yeah.
Nobody told us there was 40

546
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,520
feral cats all around us when we
moved in because who owned our

547
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,320
house was an entity, not an
individual.

548
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,600
So there's nothing to disclose.
Oh, no, it's yeah.

549
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,960
The short version of the long
story is my neighbor crossed the

550
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:36,040
street, thought I was skinning,
killing skinning and burying

551
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,680
them in my backyard.
So much so, she called the

552
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,880
police.
Oh my gosh, the.

553
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,560
Police sized this up for about 5
minutes, realizable.

554
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,760
She's a whack A mole.
And then so we let them in the

555
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,160
house.
When they walked into our

556
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,160
entryway, they saw the family
portrait of which at the time

557
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,600
that family portrait was my wife
and I, our daughter, who was I

558
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,720
think probably seven months
pregnant, and our son who just

559
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,400
graduated boot camp as a Marine.
So they look right at that like,

560
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,280
oh, military family.
I'm like, yeah.

561
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,520
So then all of a sudden the, the
the tension went away.

562
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,520
And then so we took him out
back, turn on all the all the

563
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,160
pasture lights and they saw
there was no fresh holes and no

564
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,840
dead cats.
And then so as you're leaving,

565
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,920
I'm like, I know who called me,
who called you on me.

566
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,560
So you can just go across the
street to them.

567
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,400
Tell him I said hi, I know it's
you.

568
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,280
And then as soon as the police
left, he went.

569
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,280
Yep.
They're in the base, yeah.

570
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,760
Yeah, so that's fine.
And then and then and right,

571
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:34,920
they didn't catch it.
And then the neighbor next to

572
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,160
us, he decided that he was going
to put a camera up on the peak

573
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,520
of his house, in his words, to
watch the chicken Hawks.

574
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,000
Yet he'd been there for four
years.

575
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,720
So they bought into their
bullshit that we're killing

576
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,920
cats.
Nobody's paying attention to the

577
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,280
fact that 4/4 houses down was
this 14 acre parcel that was

578
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,560
being turned over from farm to
subdivision.

579
00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:00,440
Nobody took into account that
there's like 3 of the people

580
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,800
that moved in the neighborhood
north of me.

581
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,240
I'd been here since August.
This was February, and all of a

582
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,360
sudden I'm the one that's making
cats disappear.

583
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,920
Well, coyotes are really didn't.
Yeah.

584
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,040
No.
Well, they did and then that

585
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,320
that for some.
Well, the problem is we came and

586
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,120
we cleaned up the house.
The house was a mess.

587
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:21,880
The yard was a mess.
So, you know, we weren't

588
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,760
gentrificationing the the
street, but we came into a house

589
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,600
that was in disarray.
We bought it for a specific

590
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,840
reason, to help build something
for my daughter and grandson to

591
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,000
live.
So it.

592
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,040
Was one of those things where we
had, you know, we were lucky

593
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,600
enough to be able to buy it with
extra money from our house

594
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,640
selling and clean things up and
like we had 87 tons of crap

595
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,720
taken out of a front yard,
Michelle, that's how bad this

596
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,640
front yard was.
It's an acre.

597
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,720
So just imagine an overgrown
acre of grass, right?

598
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,480
So as as that whole kind of
thing fell into our lap, then

599
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,280
the neighbors like, oh, I'm
looking for chicken hawk.

600
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,360
So be me, me being me, because I
work out daily.

601
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,320
I would go out back and after I
got done working out, strip,

602
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,480
bite ass naked and and wave to
their camera because I can see

603
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,040
right in our backyard.
And I did that until finally my

604
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,360
hop seed was tall enough that
they could no longer see me.

605
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,360
So every day they had a a free
show if they wanted one because

606
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:18,720
he claimed he couldn't see my
backyard.

607
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,240
But I would walk in the middle
of the backyard and I could see

608
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,720
the little red dots of the
camera.

609
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,960
And if you can see the red dots
of the camera, it can see you.

610
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,080
Yeah.
Exactly.

611
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,360
You know, they're those people,
disrespectful assholes who feel

612
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,240
like they're entitled.
The mayor of the street, even

613
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,600
though, you know, he's only
lived here like what we've been

614
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,080
for four years.
So they've lived here 8 years.

615
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,680
But you know, there's that.
We don't talk to them.

616
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,400
We just, you know, it is what it
is.

617
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,920
So, you know, that's my life in
a nutshell.

618
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,720
So let's talk about your writing
because Michelle's mission.com

619
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,840
is where you can find her.
And you referenced before the

620
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,240
show that you have some stuff
published.

621
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,640
So let's talk about that.
What have you have published?

622
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,040
Sure, I write a lot about my
life with a disability on my

623
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,680
blog.
I do a lot of metaphors to

624
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,600
explain that nature metaphors.
I might talk about the process

625
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:09,160
of my disability, you know, just
accepting that might be like a

626
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,680
flower blooming, but a lot of
the other stuff that I have

627
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,000
published is also just about
different things that I've

628
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,200
experienced.
I can't remember my very first

629
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,920
article that got published on
the Mighty was whenever I'm we

630
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,320
moved into our house and I could
not unlock the door because I

631
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,520
had a limited hand dexterity in
both of my hands.

632
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,520
And I finally, I was so
frustrated that just gave me

633
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,680
that courage to write about it
because there was a call.

634
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,000
What's a seemingly easy task for
other people, but it's hard for

635
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,600
you with yours.
And I got a great response with

636
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:44,680
that.
People were like, well, that's

637
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,000
my story.
And I thought I was the only one

638
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,360
that struggled with that.
And that encouraged me to write

639
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,240
more articles for the Mighty.
I also expanded to write

640
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,560
different articles for other
places as well.

641
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,280
Sometimes there might be a
prompt that I might follow and

642
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:04,040
it it'll get published.
I also have stories published in

643
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,760
two anthologies and a third one
coming out in the in November,

644
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,640
hopefully.
And thank you.

645
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,200
My first anthology I got
published in was it was a

646
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,400
workshop that I went to and it
was called Rediscovering Your

647
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,200
Story.
And Anami group had this and I

648
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,480
was the only one that had a
learning disability.

649
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,240
Other people had some mental
health issues.

650
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,960
We had some other ones that had
addiction issues in the past and

651
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,320
we're working on being sober
with their lives.

652
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,920
And we had different stories
that we wrote.

653
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,440
Some of them were about our hair
and some of them was about

654
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,000
what's your favorite place to go
to.

655
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,520
And I also had the chance to
write about what is the most

656
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,440
important lesson that I've
learned in my life.

657
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:52,640
And it's for purchase on Amazon.
And the second anthology is the

658
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,680
baggage we carry.
And that was the prompt and I

659
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,880
wrote about the baggage of
having a learning disability and

660
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:01,840
some just some of that that has
happened.

661
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,400
And that is also that's
available for purchase as well.

662
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,160
And the third one will be
through our lens and it is the

663
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,680
stories of people that have
different kinds of disabilities.

664
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,760
A lot of people there are no
diverse, like I'm going to talk

665
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,840
about having a learning
disability, but other people in

666
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:25,360
the in the book they have autism
or other disabilities as well.

667
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,440
That's that's and see the cool
thing about writing about what

668
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,720
you struggle with, like you
said, then other people read it

669
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,440
were like, oh, I, I, that's me.
We had we had a family who went

670
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,600
through the perils of heroin and
meth addiction.

671
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,880
And I was very vocal about it
and I was out there about how

672
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,680
easy it was to get it.
This is well before it was, you

673
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,760
know, public billboards and
stuff.

674
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,160
This is where if you looked at
my family from the outside and

675
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,520
you would think there's no way
on God's green earth this is

676
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,080
going to affect Chris's family.
So when I dropped my original

677
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,000
back then was a Facebook live
about it last time I found it

678
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,120
because now it's just kind of
lost somewhere in the in the in

679
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,040
the World Wide Web with 67,000
views for this 15 minute

680
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,680
discussion about how easy it was
to get heroin if he got 20

681
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:07,720
bucks.
Doesn't matter who you are,

682
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,920
doesn't matter where you live,
it doesn't matter what your

683
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,200
economic status is.
And I, I would have people

684
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,880
randomly walk up to me because
they recognize me from that

685
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,560
thanking me because then that
that empowered them to have a

686
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,440
conversation with their son or
with their daughter.

687
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,240
My wife and I would walk into
stores and people were like, oh,

688
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,560
there's the queen because I
reference her as the queen based

689
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,280
on that and the connections of
that made alone just in opening

690
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,320
other people's eyes and having
those conversations that they

691
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,680
never thought they had to have
because nobody realized for 20

692
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,240
bucks you can get black tower
heroin.

693
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,160
And this was a very normal
suburban community in the East

694
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,320
Valley of Arizona that you just
never would have thought this

695
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,400
was relevant.
So what you're doing is great

696
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,200
because then it it makes people
realize that other people are

697
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,600
going through those same
struggles, which then sheds

698
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,040
light on it, which then sparks
conversation, which then helps

699
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,480
things get turned around to the
positive instead of the

700
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,800
negative.
So kudos to you for doing that.

701
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,880
Absolutely.
Able to talk about it.

702
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,600
So many people just won't talk
about it, right?

703
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:13,520
They bury their head in the sand
and act like it's not supposed

704
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,520
to have happened.
If it happens, it happens.

705
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,600
You have to be able to know what
to do and how to deal with it,

706
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:22,760
right?
You can't just say it'll rectify

707
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,280
itself because addiction doesn't
rectify itself.

708
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,480
Disabilities don't rectify
themselves.

709
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,679
You know, you have to learn how
to live with them.

710
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,560
And in an addicts case, you can
overcome it, right?

711
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,159
In your case, you're not going
to overcome your disability.

712
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:39,040
So it's really cool that you're
showing people that not only

713
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,920
they're not alone.
I agree with Chris and a lot of

714
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,639
things that were wrong with me.
Just knowing that I wasn't the

715
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,520
only one, you know, was very
helpful.

716
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,719
I agree 100% because when I was
growing up, I mean, I didn't

717
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,520
know a whole lot of people that
had learning disabilities that

718
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:02,280
were successful adults that went
to college and female and

719
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,000
struggled with meth because most
of everything that was out

720
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:11,400
there, sorry guys, it was mainly
white men that were the struggle

721
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,320
with reading or paying
attention.

722
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,440
And I didn't know anybody with
that.

723
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:22,520
And one of the things too is
whenever we started with the

724
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,680
Internet, there's a lot of
people out there.

725
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,080
I got to meet other people that
have my disability and are girls

726
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,160
and some are guys too.
I mean, it definitely effects

727
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,840
everybody, buddy, you know, it
doesn't discriminate.

728
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,200
But it was just really amazing
though to meet other people that

729
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:39,760
okay, that's what I struggle
with.

730
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,080
I'm not the only person that
does that and coming and talking

731
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,280
about it because.
That parts huge, yeah.

732
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:47,720
Yeah, because I wouldn't have
hide.

733
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:50,640
Yeah, Common denominator.
It's like if you like the

734
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:51,760
Steelers, right?
Yeah.

735
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,480
When you were wearing a Steelers
jersey, it's.

736
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,800
You don't have to know the
person wearing a football

737
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,280
jersey.
When you run into the store, you

738
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,040
can just make a comment about
their team and you have an

739
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,720
instant dialogue for 20 minutes.
Yep.

740
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,760
You know, exactly.
I mean, right.

741
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:03,880
So it's the same kind of
concept.

742
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,280
Now, one of the things you
reference something with your

743
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:07,440
hands.
What is that?

744
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,000
That is with being having
limited hand dexterity.

745
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,280
We didn't, I didn't know that
until I was an adult.

746
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,720
When I was a kid, things would
drop out of my hands and I'd

747
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:19,120
have terrible, I have terrible
handwriting and people would

748
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:24,800
just think, oh, she's clumsy or
the people would really put it

749
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,800
as a character flaw with my
handwriting and I learned how to

750
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,480
type and that was a game
changer.

751
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,280
But we just thought, OK, she's
clumsy and that just OK.

752
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,160
Maybe it's learning disability
related what whatever, but I was

753
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,840
in for an evaluation because I
wanted to.

754
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,360
I was thinking about going back
to grad school and I remember

755
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,720
they they never tested me for
that, but they did it this one

756
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:50,320
and it's a it's actually a funny
story.

757
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:55,080
I was the the whole evaluation
is 8 hours long and so they tell

758
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,160
you, OK, order food and just you
get a lunch break.

759
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,640
So I ordered food and then they
took me up to get evaluated for

760
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:06,480
having with my hands and I sat
up there and I, they blindfolded

761
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,280
me and I had to put shapes in a
shape sorter.

762
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,960
And right as I'm putting, I'm
blindfolded and putting shapes

763
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,640
in a shape sorter, my food comes
and I had the delivery driver

764
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,680
brought it over and I had to
sign a paper blindfolded.

765
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,800
And I just wonder what that
delivery I thought was going on

766
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:30,680
in that office.
But, and it all made sense after

767
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,120
they told me I had limited hand
dexterity in both of my hands,

768
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,160
that I wasn't just a klutz.
I wasn't.

769
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,920
I just didn't have the the
handwriting of a serial killer.

770
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,520
I mean, it was there.
There was a reason behind.

771
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,440
But you didn't find that out
till you were an adult.

772
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,960
Yeah, in my 30s.
Wow, Wow.

773
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,560
Yeah, because wow.
Because earlier you mentioned

774
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,960
the opening a door was hard.
So then so so I didn't I and

775
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,280
being a writer too and and type
typing, high school class typing

776
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,400
was the only thing that's
carried me with me my entire

777
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,640
life.
But it's I didn't, I didn't, I

778
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,320
didn't honestly, for, for
whatever reason, I didn't go

779
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,200
there when you referenced the
the hand issues and I was like,

780
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,000
well, I wonder how she writes?
I was thinking it was, you know,

781
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,120
like talk to text or something
because I thought your hands

782
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,800
were like, you know, I couldn't,
you know, like just weren't

783
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,280
functional.
Right.

784
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,640
I'm, no, they are functional.
I can move them.

785
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,200
But if you look at the scores
that when they compare my my

786
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,960
testing with, I'm on the level
of somebody that has brain

787
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,760
damage with hands just with how
they move.

788
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,560
Yeah.
Is that what they attribute it

789
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,120
to?
Is the wiring in your brain is

790
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,920
just not?
In some ways, yes, it's the

791
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,080
wiring.
And I always think, I mean I

792
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,840
had, I was not given a clear
answer on that, but I think that

793
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,280
it all goes back to one source.
It's just my brain is wired and

794
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,640
those signals that it sends out
to my hands like it does with

795
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,400
visual perception and
everything, it's just it's not

796
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,160
working that way.
So I'm like at the negative,

797
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,400
like one one hand, I think my
right, my dominant hand has

798
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,720
more, but my other one, it's
like you're, you're in like -0

799
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:13,240
almost with that and there.
But thankfully I came across a

800
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:17,120
diagnosis at a really good time.
And, and where we're at, there's

801
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,640
a lot more than when I was a kid
growing up.

802
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,160
For people that that have that,
there are key helpers.

803
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:28,680
If you want to be able to unlock
the door and lock it, there's

804
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:34,000
jar openers that work, bottle
openers, an electric can opener.

805
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,640
We figured that out when I was
in my 20s and I could not use a

806
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,240
manual one.
It looked like trying to operate

807
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:41,880
it was like trying to operate a
spaceship.

808
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:47,800
So I mean, there, there's a lot
that that has come out and of

809
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,600
course, if we go out in public
and I there's a door and it's an

810
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,200
automatic door.
I always like those.

811
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:55,920
And that's the the beauty of
that.

812
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,400
It's, it's universal design.
So and everybody can do that,

813
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,960
whether it's a mom that has a
stroller and she's trying to

814
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:08,200
wrangle that and her kids and
trying to have grocery bags that

815
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,040
automatic door help somebody
out.

816
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,680
People movers.
If you go to the airport

817
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,280
elevators they can help and
ramps and rails.

818
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,520
Those are all things that can
help anybody, not just a person

819
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:25,320
with a disability.
Sure, I love the walkways, the

820
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,280
moving walkway, sidewalks and
airports.

821
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:28,920
Those are game changers, you
know.

822
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,520
Yeah.
Yeah, especially when you have

823
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,000
to go in Arizona airports.
So spread out it's it's yeah.

824
00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:38,560
But yeah, those are those are
definitely game changers for

825
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,120
sure right now.
What else you want to talk

826
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,720
about, Michelle?
I don't.

827
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,560
Know so you have a booking So
what So what is it that you want

828
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,840
to get booked for Is this just
for people you you you like

829
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,360
events like what do you do you
you speak to people I obviously

830
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,400
podcasts.
I do on podcasts.

831
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,440
I also have conferences that I,
I do as well.

832
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,560
I'm going to be speaking at a
conference, PA conference for

833
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,280
the blind and I'm going to be
talking about resources when

834
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,560
somebody graduates on what are
some of those resources that are

835
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,720
available.
I also speak on transitioning

836
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,560
when somebody is done with
school.

837
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,040
I've, I got to speak in Penn
State last year about that.

838
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,920
And I also had the opportunity
to talk about that at another

839
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,080
conference.
Well, actually it was a women's

840
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,400
empowerment breakfast a number
of years ago and I got to speak

841
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:40,200
at a disability symposium.
So I really just try to go out

842
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,040
and to be able to share my story
and to be able to help other

843
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,200
people.
That's fantastic.

844
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,520
Yeah, that's awesome.
Yeah.

845
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,840
And so the the about me shit,
it's an invisible disability,

846
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,800
which like we talked about you,
you wouldn't know because of

847
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,960
what it is.
You have a bachelor's degree in

848
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,360
community programming for
Americans with Disabilities.

849
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,800
Yes, you've been published in
The Mighty Non the Mighty, The

850
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:10,240
Non Verbal Learning Project, Dis
Kalula Blog.

851
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,840
Dis Calculia blog, Yeah.
OK, they were elected Spoony.

852
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,400
That's a that's a fun name, The
Calopine Collective.

853
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,120
Imagine the world as one
magazine, a world gathering

854
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,600
that's amazing all and all the
like.

855
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,840
Legit, I love the fact that
you're out there sharing your

856
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,000
story, sharing your journey,
empowering others, giving them

857
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,680
resources to better their lives
with just the experience and the

858
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,080
knowledge that you've gained by
by going through your struggles,

859
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,520
which is just amazing.
We love that on the show.

860
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,880
That's why we do this.
We like to talk to people and

861
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,280
learn things and expand our
knowledge and understanding of I

862
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,800
call it life resume.
That's fantastic.

863
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,040
Yeah.
So like when you go out and you

864
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,360
talk to these people, what are
things that they're not

865
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,040
expecting that you encountered,
that you, you know, what kind of

866
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,880
advice do you give them?
Here's what you're not

867
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,240
expecting.
You're going from high school

868
00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:09,040
life, college life, whatever, to
now, you're going to be expected

869
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,200
to take care of yourself as an
adult, right?

870
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,480
Right.
What I tell a lot of people is I

871
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,480
can give you the names of the
resources that that are out

872
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:23,280
there, but it's really up to you
to be the one that you seek out

873
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,680
those services.
Like when I was in college, it

874
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:30,360
was up to me.
I had definitely register with

875
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,560
the Office for Students with
Disabilities, but I had to go up

876
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,440
to professors and I had to tell
them I have a disability and

877
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,400
these are the services that I
need and to have that

878
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,360
confidence.
And I did not have that

879
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,440
confidence when I went to
Community College.

880
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,400
And a lot of that was because of
what other people told me.

881
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:51,040
I was told by a learning support
teacher that you're most you

882
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,400
can't go to college.
You, you, you have, you're bad

883
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,200
at math.
Why don't you go to a trade

884
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,080
school?
Well, nothing you're interested

885
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,280
in me.
I had a psychiatrist in an

886
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,120
evaluation that told me, well,
you're most based on these

887
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,600
scores, you're not going to be
able to go beyond Community

888
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,800
College.
And I I've also find it funny

889
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,000
whenever I told them that I
wanted to write and wanted to do

890
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,240
newscast that they told me that
that would be beyond my

891
00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:20,720
capabilities and.
I hate when adults do that to

892
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:22,040
kids.
I just do.

893
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:27,640
But question though, did that
motivate you to be like, I'm

894
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,040
going to do this and it'll be
like, ha ha, look at me now,

895
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,160
bitches.
Yeah, but do you know how many?

896
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,400
Not to interrupt you, Michelle,
I'll let you answer the

897
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,720
question.
That's a great question.

898
00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:38,400
But do you know how many not
Michelle's there are out there?

899
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,680
She's so 99.
Dreams were shattered by that

900
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,160
attitude, and Michelle
persevered through.

901
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,920
So, you know, thank goodness
she's out there.

902
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:52,160
But is that why you persevered?
You know, in the very beginning

903
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,880
I did not think I could do it
and I wasn't there like, ha ha,

904
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,520
I'm going to do it anyways.
I've went forward scared.

905
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,720
I didn't know if this was going
to work.

906
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:01,920
Out.
So you kind of believed what

907
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,680
they were telling?
You, I, I did and I took that

908
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,760
into call and that was probably
my hardest years.

909
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,680
I think we're Community College
as an adult, one of those.

910
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,240
To talk to you now you're super
confident, you know you're

911
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:17,840
smiling all time, you know what
you're talking about.

912
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,560
That's awesome.
Right, I haven't.

913
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,080
I've really had a support from
friends.

914
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,440
Definitely they were, they
couldn't fix my disability.

915
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,560
They couldn't go in there and do
that.

916
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,560
And that's something I tell my
students all the time.

917
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,840
Some of them will say, oh, I
have this mental health

918
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,040
disorder.
I take medication.

919
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,760
I don't need this, I don't need
this class.

920
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,200
And I say, you know what, you
you can take the medicine, but

921
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,640
it's only going to get you so
far.

922
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,280
You have to be the one that does
all the work, all the hard work

923
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,480
on on that.
So that's, that's another thing

924
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,200
I tell them is you have to do a
lot of that work.

925
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,240
I'll tell people that.
And I was afraid, especially

926
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:56,280
whenever I went to Community
College face more stigma.

927
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,560
Had a professor that told me I
was going to have limited job

928
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,080
choices if I asked for a
calculator.

929
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,520
I was told we use our brains in
this class but I just push

930
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,920
forward and I was a.
Yeah.

931
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,080
And one of your, one of your
advantages given to you to be in

932
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,560
school with your disability was
you were able to use a

933
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,120
calculator, I'm sure, right.
They couldn't deny you that.

934
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:21,840
Right.
And I had specialized

935
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,560
instruction and I never got out
of that for math.

936
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,120
I got out of it for reading.
I got out of it for a lot of

937
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,120
different things.
So you ended up in general

938
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,960
classes for like with.
Academics Yep.

939
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,760
And with except for math, except
for math and I had a resource

940
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,320
room and yeah, thank you.
But I mean, it was academic.

941
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,680
We a lot of people thought,
well, why don't, why don't you

942
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:50,320
put her in AP biology or science
class?

943
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,960
And my parents were like, no,
we're we're setting rough for

944
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,000
success.
We know what she can handle.

945
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,800
And I was able to make honor
roll and I was in with academic

946
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,800
kids for for a lot of my
classes.

947
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,960
And I had those supports, but I
still was pulled out.

948
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,400
Yeah, it it really was.
I I had a test read aloud to me.

949
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,760
I had extra time on my tests.
And then when I went to college,

950
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,480
once I went to university,
that's when I got really serious

951
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:20,400
about using all the services and
advocacy I would, I had.

952
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,560
I didn't have the test read
allowed to me, but I had

953
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,880
extended test time on my test.
I had tutoring.

954
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,560
I actually got a note taker and
that was a game changer too

955
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,920
because I could focus on in on
my Class A lot more.

956
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,840
And I had tutoring and I also
had professors that understood.

957
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,880
And I was really lucky in both
areas to have that in Community

958
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:45,040
College and at university.
At Community College, I was

959
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,080
really fortunate to get a math
waiver because of having the

960
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,200
disability.
And I was able to substitute

961
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,360
another class.
I, the professor could see I was

962
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,880
really trying.
I was going to class after class

963
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,920
and was not able to pass any of
the tests except for one of

964
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:02,720
them.
And I was doing tutoring and the

965
00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:05,280
tutoring team didn't understand
what was going on.

966
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:09,680
But luckily we, the office for
students with disabilities,

967
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,960
said, OK, why don't we at least
try to submit a waiver, put all

968
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,280
your documentation together.
And I was granted that.

969
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,480
And then when I got to
university, I wasn't as

970
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,600
fortunate with that.
I had to take the class.

971
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,520
And I can remember.
I took a philosophy based math

972
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:32,320
course and I can remember I was
in this determination of, well,

973
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,160
do I take this or do I just take
an algebra class?

974
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:39,800
And I, I was sitting around and
there was a chess game and I had

975
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,920
someone, I said, hey, you want
to play chess with me?

976
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,360
And we played the shortest chess
game in history.

977
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,040
And it's no surprise that I
lost.

978
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,640
And I told the person, I said, I
don't think that.

979
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,880
Yeah, I'm not good.
I'm not good at math.

980
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,280
We're trying to figure out what
kind of math class to take.

981
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,680
And I said I might, I'm thinking
about doing the philosophy based

982
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,000
math.
And he looked at me and goes,

983
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,800
well, actually I'm in that
department.

984
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,560
And I'd really suggest that you
take the philosophy based math

985
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,520
class because guys in my
department aren't that nice

986
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,480
about it.
And I had the most wonderful

987
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,520
professor that knew I was
trying, I was going to tutoring,

988
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,520
I was going to class, I had
office hours and I, I couldn't

989
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:24,840
pass one class, one test.
And he knew I was really doing

990
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:25,920
that.
And he passed me along.

991
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:30,960
I got AD and that was my only DI
go to university and that's all

992
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,880
I needed.
And but the support though, I

993
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,080
mean, a lot of people didn't
understand what I was going

994
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:36,840
through.
People were.

995
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,800
So cool that they recognized it
and yeah, no matter what they

996
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,360
did, they were never going to be
able to help you, and they

997
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,480
didn't want to be the people to
stand in your way.

998
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,360
That's really cool.
Yeah, that is cool.

999
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,640
So they were the opposite of the
assholes that told you that you

1000
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,200
were never going to make it past
Community College if you were

1001
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:55,680
even lucky to get that far,
right?

1002
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,160
What a horrible thing to say to
a a young mind you know exactly

1003
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:00,600
they wanted.
To be a They wanted to be a

1004
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,200
welder man.
Yeah, well, I think the one,

1005
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,320
this was a learning support
teacher before that you I

1006
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,760
couldn't, I couldn't try.
I thought I should do Protective

1007
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,400
Services.
Now how was I supposed to drive

1008
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:14,960
a police car?
Well.

1009
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,200
And then I guess in their
defense, you hadn't been

1010
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:22,120
diagnosed yet, but the trades
were actually the worst advice

1011
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,040
for you because you have the
problem with your hands as well.

1012
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,320
If I were.
Never going to be a Carpenter.

1013
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:28,880
No, it wasn't going to be a
Carpenter.

1014
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,640
I, I have great respect for the
person who does my hair, but I

1015
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:39,240
certainly cannot cut my own hair
or you color or things like

1016
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:41,120
that.
I, I, I would get a lot of

1017
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,520
complaints.
I could probably do the culinary

1018
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,200
arts program, but it just isn't
really what I feel like I was

1019
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,000
cut out to do.
So it would have been a lot

1020
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,280
harder for me to do a lot of
those things, especially.

1021
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:53,880
With the hands.
What?

1022
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,000
Especially with the hand.
The hand thing.

1023
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,200
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, Cutting things, you know

1024
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,640
that that would be really hard.
Is that the hardest thing to do

1025
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,680
as a teacher, especially of, you
know, kids with special needs,

1026
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,280
is that the hardest thing is to
get them to come to terms with

1027
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,880
they're not going to be able to
do certain things that they see

1028
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,080
what we would consider.
I hate this word but normal

1029
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,680
kids, right?
It, it, it really is it.

1030
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,480
It's hard whenever maybe they
can't, they can't do something.

1031
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,960
Or a lot of our students are in
regular Ed classes and basic

1032
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,160
classes.
Right.

1033
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:31,640
And I guess that's what I was
alluding to.

1034
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,920
Yeah.
See those kids on a daily basis,

1035
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,640
they go play kickball or
whatever.

1036
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,040
And like you were saying, when
you were a young girl, you

1037
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,440
couldn't tell that the ball was
coming at you, right?

1038
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,080
So what?
You were scared every time.

1039
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,040
Right, right.
Things like that, they're never.

1040
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,040
You were never going to get over
that because you had a visual.

1041
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,200
Yeah, you.
Know negative that was keeping

1042
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,800
you from being able to see that
ball coming at you.

1043
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:59,480
And a lot of times too, yeah,
excuse me, that's a factor.

1044
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:04,240
And then I also get our
students, they, they can't hide.

1045
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,440
They know, everybody knows they
go to learning support or they

1046
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,560
go to resource to get a test
read.

1047
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,960
They know they have a class with
the study hall there.

1048
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,840
And that carries a lot of stigma
for so many of us.

1049
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,720
I I can just remember.
That a lot of them probably have

1050
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:20,040
visual outward where, you know,
maybe they have ticks that

1051
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,520
people see right and they can't
hide that.

1052
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,720
So that's even worse when you're
in that shape where I know just

1053
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:31,080
from being a kid myself.
And we had several, you know, we

1054
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,960
had a learning department in our
high school for sure.

1055
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,440
And I was always the person that
would defend those.

1056
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,280
You.
Know, tell the bullies.

1057
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,200
Hey what?
You know that kid can't defend

1058
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,920
himself man.
It's not cool, you know?

1059
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,520
But those are always going to be
the kids that people pick on 1st

1060
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,400
as the ones that have the
outward ticks, right?

1061
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,640
And it's, it's more more and
it's more so because they're

1062
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,880
afraid they don't understand.
So instead.

1063
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,280
Of I'm glad you said that, I've
been meaning to say that too.

1064
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,120
Yeah, instead of trying to be
empathetic and understand the

1065
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,240
situation, they automatically
turn to the bullying side

1066
00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:07,000
because they don't get it and
they're afraid.

1067
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,880
They're afraid of it.
I, I worked in, in before.

1068
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,000
I do what I do now.
I, I worked in the field with

1069
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,360
mentally handicapped and, and
mental illness people.

1070
00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:18,120
So anything and everything in
the spectrum from autism to

1071
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:22,480
mental retardation, mild Mr.
Extremely R, affective organic

1072
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:26,640
disorder, bipolar, manic
depressives, Down syndrome, all

1073
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,320
levels of functionality, low
functioning to high functioning.

1074
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,440
I, you know, my, my group of, of
guys that I took care of, you

1075
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,440
know, until they open their
mouth, you wouldn't know.

1076
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,360
Like I, I flew one, I took him
home a couple times to use your

1077
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:40,960
organ.
And unless he opened his mouth,

1078
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,680
you'd have no idea.
Just have no idea.

1079
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,880
Now, when I put the headphones
on him for the plane ride,

1080
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,080
because music kind of soothed
him, I didn't realize he was

1081
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,480
going to start singing.
And he started singing knocking

1082
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,400
on Heaven's Door because he left
Guns and Roses on the plane in

1083
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,640
the middle of the air, you know,
And so once he started singing,

1084
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,840
it's like, well, I'm not going
to, I'm not going to stop him

1085
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,640
because, you know, it's keeping
him at Bay.

1086
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:07,760
And but unless you unless you
know, you don't know with the

1087
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,640
with the bulk of the population
I'd dealt with, but the Down

1088
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,840
syndrome, you can see and you
can tell them the autistic, you

1089
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,760
can see because they have the
takes like Mike said.

1090
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,120
And they without exception, all
of them are bullied in their

1091
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,800
lifetime because they just were.
What you don't understand, you

1092
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:21,960
fear.
So what do you fear?

1093
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:23,960
You have to you feel like you
have to exert yourself.

1094
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,160
You got to be the alpha male and
even women too, right?

1095
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,720
Women are just as bad at
bullying as as men are.

1096
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,920
I think a little bit more so,
especially in the in the teenage

1097
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,480
drama era with females.
My wife was was bullied by

1098
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,240
somebody and, you know, kind of
talk down on her kind of looks

1099
00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:44,160
and then, you know, the irony of
life now this woman, you know,

1100
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,160
her face looks like a long horse
and, you know, and making a

1101
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:51,320
beautiful human.
So it's kind of like, you know,

1102
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,560
but we don't we're not those
type of people, but it's still

1103
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,840
kind of that thing like, yeah,
OK, how pretty are you now?

1104
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,800
You know, because.
But you carry that like you

1105
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,680
carry that.
There was there was a couple

1106
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,320
kids.
I was bullied that bullied me.

1107
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,960
And I could still drop their
names.

1108
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,600
I'm not going to but, and it was
just more out of fear for

1109
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,280
whatever reason, they were
afraid that I had asthma and I,

1110
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,000
you know, I was kind of like
Mike's sick kid.

1111
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,760
If you know, if I'm going to, if
I'm, if I'm that kid nowadays,

1112
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,200
I'm kicked out of school because
I was gone more than I was there

1113
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,000
because, you know, we moved from
Illinois because I was going to

1114
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,040
die.
My asthma was so bad.

1115
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:30,360
So we moved to Arizona and they
were, you know, half the school

1116
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:31,560
year.
Sometimes I missed, I got held

1117
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,560
back in 4th grade because I just
didn't go to 4th grade.

1118
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,520
So, you know, when I would show
up, I was always the awkward,

1119
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,520
sickly looking kid.
So I was AI was a brilliant

1120
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,040
punching bag, right?
Luckily it wasn't as bad as it

1121
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,760
could have been, but I, I feel
that.

1122
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,080
So, and that goes back to what I
said earlier, the fact that you

1123
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,160
can empower these kids because
you've been there, done that,

1124
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,040
and you're living with it and
you're living proof that you can

1125
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,360
overcome and you can be
successful and, and you can

1126
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,680
reach heights that other people
didn't believe you could.

1127
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,040
You're just a superhuman,
Michelle.

1128
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:02,640
It's like the life resume that I
preach.

1129
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,000
It's just fantastic because
those could have gone the other

1130
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,440
way.
Those are the people that need.

1131
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,000
It, you know, you could have
taken the easy road and just put

1132
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,360
like, what was me living off the
state, you know, living in a van

1133
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,480
down by the river, you know, and
not being a productive member of

1134
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:19,120
society.
Not that your disabilities were

1135
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,120
that extreme, but I think you
follow what I'm saying.

1136
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,960
It's cool that you've you've
taken the path you have and and

1137
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,920
you're so out there with
everything and sharing and

1138
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,920
teaching and helping people
grow, and that's just that's

1139
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,320
cool, man.
That's a good testament to who

1140
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,920
you are as a human and who your
character is.

1141
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,280
And so you, you know, beautiful
soul man for sure.

1142
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:37,840
I can see why Jack and Sparrow
love you.

1143
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,160
Oh makes.
Sense.

1144
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,720
Well, that was awesome.
Anything else you want to talk

1145
00:56:45,720 --> 00:56:49,280
about before we wrap things up?
I just want to encourage people

1146
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:53,360
that have disabilities or who
don't to know what they want and

1147
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,360
to be able to find a way to do
it.

1148
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,680
And it's like my dad always told
me, success doesn't always come

1149
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,320
in the package that you expect,
but sometimes it comes in

1150
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,800
something even better.
That's awesome.

1151
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:06,840
That is awesome.
I love that.

1152
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,040
Michellesmission.com This is the
Christian Mike show.

1153
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:11,600
We leave.
We leave every episode like

1154
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,000
this.
If you're having a bad day, if

1155
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:14,800
you're feeling down and
depressed and you want to take

1156
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,760
your life, don't do it.
Somebody Loves You.

1157
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,480
Somebody will miss you.
Don't leave a hole in somebody's

1158
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,360
heart because you didn't have
the courage to just step back.

1159
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,680
Take a breath, meditate, reach
out to somebody that you know

1160
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,280
will talk to you, help you get
off that that Cliff that you're

1161
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,400
on tomorrow will be tomorrow
will be a better day.

1162
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:34,080
So wake up and and and be
present and be involved because

1163
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:35,600
somebody does love you like we
do.

1164
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,440
Thank you very much, Michelle
for being on the show.

1165
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,360
We will get you all the content
once we get it up and running.

1166
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:43,840
Definitely.
You know, as you go on a life

1167
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:45,600
you ever want to come back on,
just shoot us a message.

1168
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,600
We like to have people come back
on and update us where?

1169
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,480
They're yeah, if you're going to
release that third anthology in

1170
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:51,960
November.
Yeah.

1171
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,760
Yeah, yeah, because, you know,
this is how we roll.

1172
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,840
Nice, easy conversation, have
fun, learn and, you know, Share

1173
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:01,320
your story.
And again, everybody who want to

1174
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,400
find Michelle, it's Michelle's
mission.com.

1175
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,560
It's plural.
Just don't do Michelle because

1176
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,000
of all these other things.
Come up.

1177
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,000
It's Michelle's mission.com, and
you'll find all her stuff.

1178
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,600
Booker, have her on your show.
Have her come talk to you

1179
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,720
because, you know, this has been
a great conversation.

1180
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:19,040
We've learned a lot.
Invisible disabilities are

1181
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:20,320
there, you just don't know
they're there.

1182
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,600
So someone like Michelle helps
empower and get people to live

1183
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,960
fuller and healthier and much
more productive lives, right?

1184
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,880
Absolutely.
Peace.

1185
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,560
See you guys all next week.
Thank you.

1186
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,520
Love you brother.
Peace, love you too man Thanks

1187
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:37,560
Michelle.
Nice to meet.

1188
00:58:43,920 --> 00:59:01,690
You.
On your journey beyond the

1189
00:59:02,730 --> 00:59:09,770
trail, behind your eyes,
yourself and meet yourself.

1190
00:59:09,770 --> 00:59:12,210
Take a moment, look until you
see him.

1191
00:59:13,410 --> 00:59:16,170
Fight the battle that you bought
Wheel.

1192
00:59:17,610 --> 00:59:20,530
Fight the battle, but you bought
Wheel.

1193
00:59:21,530 --> 00:59:29,520
Who is this baby?
Oh yeah.

1194
01:00:28,830 --> 01:00:46,850
Come
down here, we haven't bounced

1195
01:00:46,850 --> 01:00:54,410
our leading exam from fighting.
Wait for the dead or when?

1196
01:00:54,690 --> 01:00:58,570
It's going around.
Here, but in the wind you ain't

1197
01:00:58,770 --> 01:01:02,920
no creature.
We're playing Smound you should

1198
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:07,680
you put it on the almighty bed.
You got a dream.

1199
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:15,520
Who in your life to keep our
soul in every man.

1200
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:20,720
Take the trip behind your eyes.
Feel the soul.

1201
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:27,680
And when you shine now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1202
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:33,320
yeah, yeah.
Take a moment.

1203
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:37,160
Look at you.
See him fight your family.

1204
01:01:37,160 --> 01:02:06,250
To you more clear.
You gotta, you gotta.

1205
01:02:06,930 --> 01:02:48,530
You gotta, you gotta, you gotta.
The.