#129 - Mark Young - Rock Star to Non-Profit CEO

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One of our songs are back in the
day.

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Is that you singing, Chris?
Yes, Sir, that's Chris.

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Then I'm a rock'n'roll star.
Hey, this is Chris and Mike.

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Sure.
I'm Christie's Mike.

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This is Mark Young and we're
live right now on YouTube and

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Twitch, so thank you for joining
us over there and we're going to

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have a fantastic show cause
Mark's a super cool human.

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Like his life resume, Mike is
mind boggling.

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Awesome.
Thanks for coming on, Mark.

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It's nice to meet you.
It's nice to meet you too.

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I wish what he said was true.
But it was.

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It is true, man.
It's always true, and lots.

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Of why is Siri talking to me?
Shut up, Siri.

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It's, it's absolutely true, Mark
is.

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True if we say it's just.
Mark and I went to lunch.

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I met Mark because I joined the
Rotary Club of Mesa.

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Is it the Mesa Rotary Club?
Do we call it or is it Rotary?

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OK, so I met Mark there and one
of my, my things I decided when

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I joined the Rotary Club, I was
going to take everywhere to

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lunch.
That didn't really work because,

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you know, it just didn't work.
But Mark was the first one I

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took to lunch and, and we ended
up sitting there for about 2 1/2

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hours because we have so much in
common.

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But his life is just, it's
amazing.

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It's absolutely amazing.
And we actually, we're supposed

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to have him on a couple weeks
ago, but we I triple booked

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this.
So he was kind enough to come on

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the day when we had a last
minute cancellation.

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I was going to get him on the
show regardless.

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Oh, somebody just did you see
this Mike?

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Hey guys, looking forward to
this episode.

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That's pretty cool.
I have a thing that that was

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badass, man, that.
Was that was awesome so.

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Right on.
Michael, I can't.

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I'm not.
I'm going to.

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Butcher his last.
Michael Castillo.

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I thought it was.
Castillo.

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Castillo.
He listens diligently and he

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always chimes in.
And I just figured out how to do

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that.
So thank you.

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Right on, Michael.
And then Michael?

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Thank you.
We're going to send you a donut

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in the mail.
Woohoo woohoo, like a donut.

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OK, I'll bring you a donut
tomorrow.

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No, don't.
I'm on a diet.

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Again, OK, so, so because you
have such an amazing life story,

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because I know it all, I don't,
I don't know where to start with

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you because usually we just do
conversations.

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We're not interviewing.
We don't like that because it's

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kind of it's kind of boring, you
know?

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So it's a conversation thing.
So let's start.

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Out.
Let's do that.

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Let's start with this, because
this is This is fascinating to

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me, A little bird told me,
meaning you while we're at

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lunch, that you dated someone
who has since gone on to become

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an epic figure in the
rock'n'roll slash folk rock

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genre for decades.
Like you tell.

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Decades.
And here's the kicker, she's a

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lesbian.
Yeah, so.

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So my question is right.
Let's tell us the thing.

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Was that a George Costanza thing
like you turned her to

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lesbianism?
Yes, because, because it's.

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Rare.
Man.

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I'm trying to get her back on
this team but it has been rarely

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come back.
Right.

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So, so I'll let you share that
story because that was one of

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the most fascinating things, one
of the most fascinating things

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that we talked about that day at
lunch, you know, a couple months

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ago.
So, so go ahead and Mark Young.

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There were, you know, grew up in
Leavenworth, KS and there was

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this, this group of the artsy,
you know what I mean?

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The choir, drama band, people
that, you know, it was fun to

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hang out with.
So we all hung out together.

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And one of the people in that
group was Melissa Etheridge.

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And so we were good friends.
We, you know, the, my current

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wife and her were best friends
and this other dude and I were

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best friends.
And so, you know, we did went to

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dances together and all that.
And then her and I dated when I

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was a senior and she was a
sophomore at high school.

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And, you know, I mean, it was
going fine, I thought.

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And then on my 18th birthday,
she showed up at my birthday

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party.
So my my mom had rented the

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local pool for my 18th birthday
party.

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We never did stuff like that,
you know, big deal.

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And I invited, you know, both my
friends.

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And so we were having a pool
party and she showed up and

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said, I'm going to break up with
you today.

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And I was like, jeez.
And then she's like, because I,

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you know, I'm a lesbian.
And so, you know, I mean, it's

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bad enough that she's breaking
up with me on my 18th birthday,

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but you gonna throw that on top
of it?

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Yeah.
And then I felt, you know, like,

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somehow it was my fault.
I I wasn't exactly sure.

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So I went and hid, went and hid
in the locker room and just

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bawled like a baby.
And what I remember about that

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is, you know, on the on the
stereo in the locker room was we

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were as cold as eyes, that
foreigner song.

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I just kept thinking like, oh,
that is so true.

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She just tore my heart out.
So I know why they wrote that

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song.
And it was for you.

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It's for you.
And yeah.

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So, you know, we're, we're we're
friends now.

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It was funny, you know, I was
going through a bunch of stuff

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here at home and I had always
teased my wife that, you know,

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she was after you, not me.
I you know.

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And.
My Jeanette was always like, no,

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no, no, no, no.
I was digging through this box

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of stuff and I found this big
stack of notes like you pass in

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school and I read through them
and I handed them to her.

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I said you need to reread these
with what we know now and you'll

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see that I was right.
And sure enough.

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Wow, so she was she was dating
you to get to to Jeanette to get

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to Jeanette, right.
Yeah, that's epic.

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Totally rock'n'roll lifestyle,
man.

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So used.
I felt so used.

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So yeah.
See that part?

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That part I didn't.
That part you didn't tell me.

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So that was fun to learn that
part of it.

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Well, you know, it's rare that
we get a story from our side.

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Yeah.
Right.

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Where we got used.
Yeah.

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And you literally got used.
Me too.

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I love it.
So yeah, it was, you know, it

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was in 1977, right?
So there wasn't a lot of

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understanding about I really, I
felt responsible somehow.

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And then this group we hung out
with, many of them went on to do

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some pretty amazing things, but
turns out all of them except

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Jeanette and I were gay.
So we hurried up and got

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married.
So I would have too some in the

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water over here.
I'm not sure what's going on.

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I haven't laughed, I haven't
laughed this hard in the 1st 5

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minutes of a show forever.
My jaw was hurt.

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Agreed.
Yeah, Yeah.

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How do we follow that story up,
Mark?

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We, well, Mark's going to follow
the story up with this now there

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was a, there was a, I'm going to
call it a company slash

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organization in Chicago, right?
That that that had elite the

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elite of comedians through
through years and years.

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And John Belushi was 1 John
Candy.

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John Candy Chris.
Barley, Chris.

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Barley right.
So the this was Studio City.

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Is that what it's called?
No Second city comedy Second

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City.
Second city.

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OK, so this like who's who's
come through those doors, right?

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Like anybody, he wanted to break
into comedy and like, what's a

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seventies, 80s and 90s somehow
went through there, right?

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If you wanted to get if you
wanted to get on the map, you

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had to go through that kind of
like actors had to go through

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the whatever that school is in
New York.

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It's it's I'm drawing a blank
now.

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Juilliard musicians had to go
through Juilliard actors had to

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go like you had to have
something credible to go

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anywhere.
So let's touch on that story,

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Mark.
OK, so, so we had a band, you

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know, I'm just out of high
school there were, we had an 8

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piece band doing mostly covers
of pop tunes with horns, right.

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And so we're playing a gig in
Westport in Kansas City and I'm

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having a good night.
I was the front guy.

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Everybody, every musician of the
band was a better musician than

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me, but I was the front guy.
So 100 lbs heavier.

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So I weighed 310.
Our lead singer was wore size 0

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pants.
She looked like Pat Benatar,

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little tiny thing.
So we were, we were funny before

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we ever played a note.
And so I was having a good

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night.
It was having a lot of fun.

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This lady walks up to me and
said, hey, we'd like you to

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consider auditioning for Second
City for SCTV and or, yeah,

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Second City.
And I went, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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'cause you know, you guys
played, you know, people come up

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and tell you all kinds of crap,
you know, hey, we want to sing

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you, you're the best band ever,
blah, blah.

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Yeah.
And so in the van, you know, we

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we got pregnant, had her first
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That was a dumb move.
And because we took the baby

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with us and came home and I said
I'm going to call this number to

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see if it's a legit.
And I called and it was legit

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and I chickened out.
So I didn't go to that audition,

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but here's what I think is also
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Think about all the fat guys
that came through there and

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where they are today.
They all be dead.

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They all be dead.
That's right.

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So I think I avoided that, you
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The being a coward, the curse,
the.

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The second The Curse of the fat
guy.

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Right.
Yeah.

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So, you know, so that was
interesting too.

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So now also now, now.
So then he gets in, he has a

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baby, right?
They're on the road, they're

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doing a sound check and he looks
over and sees the babysitter

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holding their six week old and
he's like, something's got to

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change.
So they stop the band.

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He moves home and does what
Mark?

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I don't know what you mean.
Oh, I got a job.

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I got to tell you why.
When I decided that we needed to

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come home and I looked at the
baby, we were doing a cover of

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the song Too Shy.
Shy.

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Which that alone should have
been enough of a reason for me

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to quit the band and come home.
Right.

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I'm not going to argue with you.
Oh, yeah, It's pretty terrible.

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And.
Dodge a goo goo.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, that's good, man.

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I'm.
Not sure I.

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Could have remembered that band
name.

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Good.
Hush, hush.

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You are and I hotel.
So I came home and then I took

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this.
I took this short job doing

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newspaper advertising and then
got hired as a youth pastor at

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the church I grew up in.
Like they grew up and I started

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going to when I was in high
school, I started going to

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church because a friend of mine
said, hey, you got to come join

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the youth choir because there's
eight guys and there's 30 girls.

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I went, yeah, sign me up,
whatever that is.

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I want that.
And we went on weekend trips and

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stuff, you know, But you know, I
turned out to be one of those

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guys that became a believer.
So, so I after the band thing

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and all of that, I went back
there to to run youth youth

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group there.
And then I stayed in ministry

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for about 30 years.
How old were you at that point,

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Mark 21.
Wow.

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Yeah. 22 See.
See life resume man, his life

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resume is cool.
So you're you're a Baptist

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minister?
American Baptist, Yeah, I have

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to say American Baptist because
how come otherwise you get, you

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know, lined up with some of the
crazies.

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There's a billion, there's a
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American Baptist used to be
Northern Baptist and they split

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with the Southern Baptist over
the Civil War.

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So it was the Northern Baptist
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Northern Baptist became American
Baptist and that was a part.

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It was a group of.
I was a group of.

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Was a part of.
Gotcha, gotcha.

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And you did that for 30 years?
Yep. 15 of them here in

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Scottsdale.
I didn't think we were doing

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Jesus work.
So I quit, became an English

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professor a little bit, and then
that school closed.

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I've had that effect.
It seems I get involved in

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something and they either turn
gay or I close it down.

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So, yeah.
And then we had placed an intern

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over United Way and she said
they needed somebody to work

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over there and went, OK, I need
a job.

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And I've been there for 11
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So.
So you currently work for the

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United Way?
Yeah, I work for Macy, United

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Way and then this Azura.
So it's 2 nonprofits, they do 2

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separate things, and I'm the
president and CEO of both of

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those at this point.
Wow.

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Very.
Yeah, it's physical having

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having the CEO of the Mesa
United Way on our show, Woo and

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that that's credibility.
I am telling you right now,

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yeah, that's a big deal.
I'm familiar with the United Way

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because the company I work for,
that's their charity of choice.

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What does your other charity do?
Oh man, this is a long and very

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boring.
But that's OK.

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But that's OK.
That's why you're here.

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OK, then every If I'm curious,
everybody else has to.

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All right, if Chris is curious,
that's why we.

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Do that I know, I know what it
is.

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I know what it is because I know
Mark, but I that's.

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Back and let Mark.
Tell I'm going to I'm going to

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sit back and just enjoy the
show.

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This.
Come on.

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Depending on who's listening,
this might get me in trouble,

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but it won't be the first time,
nor him or I so Oh good, there

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we go.
United Way is kind of like the

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Studebaker, you know, I mean,
kind of like Blockbuster.

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It's still living in its glory
days of the 70s and 80s and

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times have changed and they have
not.

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Thank you for saying that.
Well, it's just true.

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I feel the same way.
I'm I'm very familiar with what

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they do.
And unfortunately, they came and

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gave us a presentation that was
very it it turned me off because

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somebody asked a question about
where their money was going.

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And the lady got really rude.
She said, you know, we have a

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board of directors, we have to
pay.

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We have ACEO, we have to pay.
There's money that has to be

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paid out before anybody gets any
money.

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She literally said those words
in front of like 1000 employees.

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First, she should be fired.
And she might have been.

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That's that's that's insane.
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You know, I, I, I was the head
of the state of Arizona highways

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for a couple of years and I must
have said two things. 1000 * 1

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is there's one block Buster left
in Bend, OR and we don't figure

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out what the hell we're doing.
We're going to be the, the

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national office is going to be
in the building next door

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because we're, we're, we're out
of touch with how people want to

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give money.
And, and the second thing is

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quick examples of how of how,
how we're out of touch.

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Yes, yeah.
So like in the 80s, right, or

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70s or whatever, pre Internet,
people trusted the United Way to

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know all of the nonprofits in a
community that were doing work.

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And really regular folks had no
access to that information,

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right.
So they'd know of the Red Cross

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and Goodwill and Salvation Army,
but they trusted that United Way

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knew the other 80 people, 80
groups that were doing work.

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So they collected money in the
business, gave it to United Way.

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United Way put together
community groups to distribute

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that money.
That all made sense until people

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could go and find places to give
their money completely on their

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own, right?
You can go online.

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I care about cats with one eye.
I type in cats with one eye.

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Here's the nonprofits that deal
with that.

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I give my money directly.
People want to give money

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directly to things that are
making a difference, not an

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umbrella organization that then
determines how your money is

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going to be spent.
I choose to give my money to a

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Children's Hospital when they're
asking for money.

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St.
Judes.

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Yep.
And they do great work.

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And 100% of my money goes to
those poor kids who can't help

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themselves.
That's right.

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That makes me feel good.
So that's just my choice with my

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money.
And that makes sense.

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And then United Way, like our
United Way, doesn't do this.

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We still run those campaigns.
But you can give your money to

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whomever you want.
That designated giving, right?

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They did start that with our
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They did that.
Yes, a lot of them give our

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money in our county, Yeah, a lot
of a lot of you and I always

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have eliminated that so that
they remain having the choice.

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That makes no sense to me.
If as long as the place you want

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to give it is a legitimate
5O1C3, we ought to be able to

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help you do that, right?
So the nice thing about the

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United Way campaign is you can
take a little bit of money out

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of your paycheck every every pay
period, right?

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And that that accumulates and,
and that's a good thing that

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they do, but they haven't
updated that they haven't made

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themselves to be about anything.
And, and it's aggravating to me

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anyway, so we stopped.
You're fine.

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That this is all really
interesting to me because it's

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personal to me and I'm always
careful to tell the people

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around me because I'm also
involved with our union, right?

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This is my opinion.
I just choose to give my money,

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like you said, a lot of people
do to where 100% of my money is

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going to the 'cause right?
I don't dissuade anyone from

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giving to the United Way.
I actually encourage it.

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If you feel good about it, do it
because doing something is

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better than nothing, right?
And United Way does a lot of

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good stuff.
I mean, and and you know, even,

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you know, if you're giving the
money to Saint Jude's, some

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portion of that money is going
to admin, some portion of that

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money is going to back office
folks.

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You got to have that as part to
run a nonprofit.

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But but yeah, it gets it gets
really, it gets really screwy.

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And then we were allocating the
money to other nonprofits who

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quite boy talking about getting
myself in trouble.

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Quite sincerely.
I didn't think we're doing a

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very good job.
Right.

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So if you're doing homeless work
and our numbers of homeless

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folks are more every single year
than they were the year before,

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where are the innovative ideas
about how we're going to fix

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this thing?
It's not the way we've been

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doing it.
And so we stopped allocating

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money.
We started our own programming

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that I am getting to the Azure
part.

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So we do five programs and and
then I after COVID, I started

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digging into who our clientele
were and our clients come from

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all over the Valley, from really
in some instances all over

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Arizona.
But by United Way rules, I could

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only raise money in Mesa and it
seemed unfair to me that Mesa

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residents were paying for these
services for and we couldn't ask

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anyone else to help out.
So we started a second

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nonprofit, which is Azura.
We took all of those things that

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we do and we place them under
Azura and gave them their own EI

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NS so they can raise money
anywhere while Mesa United Way

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cannot.
So Macy not away raises money in

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Mesa.
We make sure that the money that

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we raise stays in Mesa for Mesa
people and then Azura can raise

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money anywhere to support that
other programming.

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That's awesome.
There you go.

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That's awesome.
I love it.

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It took a little while to
convince me another way, folks,

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that it was awesome, but it
worked well and the.

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And the other really cool thing.
Oh, go ahead, Mark.

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Go ahead, Mike.
Oh, I'm.

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No, no, no go.
Ahead, go ahead.

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No, that's why I was saying.
Lead down to a different path.

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I wanted your opinion on what
you thought that they could do

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to do better, right?
We're not bashing the United

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Way.
Doing something is always better

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than doing nothing.
If they're doing great things,

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I'm not saying they're out there
like, you know, coaxing kids

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into devil worshipping or
anything.

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They're not doing anything bad.
I just, I agree with you and I'm

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glad I heard it from somebody
who's on the frontline that my

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opinion was vindicated, right?
I what I've been pushing United

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Way to do is to be about.
Something what is it that we're

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trying to fix?
Let's be united around that.

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Is it literacy?
Is it homelessness?

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Is it foster care?
Is it veterans?

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Is it a disease?
I don't care what it is.

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There's a lot of things to be
tackled.

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United Way should be about one
or two or three of those so that

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people can get to specifics as
opposed to, you know, I used to,

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you guys know, you know, anyway,
I used to do a campaign at a

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place in Mesa, pretty
conservative older people and I

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got to ask every single time.
Do you guys fund Planned

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Parenthood?
Well, we never have and we

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haven't, but they, but other
United Ways do because every

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United Way gets to choose how
they do that right?

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Which is that's all good because
we're like a franchise, but that

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Lady was like, well, you
shouldn't even be a part of a

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group that does that.
It's like, hang on a minute, you

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know, I mean, relax a little
bit.

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So if we could be about some
specific things that we'd like

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to see and put all of the effort
that we do as a United Way and

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all of the influence that we
have into changing a problem as

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opposed to handing out the money
for other people to change

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problems, that would give us
legs For 10 years.

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It's just been, it's just been a
downward slide.

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So, and I feel the same way.
I just, I feel like it's a, it's

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a sinking ship, you know?
And because of.

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What you said earlier, people
want, they know now they're

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educated, they understand
charities.

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You're right.
In the 70s and 80s, they gave to

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charities and they thought that
those people were doing what was

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right.
Well, we found out that there

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was some pretty illegitimate
charities, right?

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Absolutely.
The March of Dimes, you found

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out only a dime of your, you
know, the other $0.90 went to

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operating expenses.
I got a whole list of them,

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right?
Oh, yeah, there's a huge list.

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Not in that list.
They're in the good list.

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So I just wanted to hear your
opinion.

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I don't think you said anything
that got you in trouble.

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I, I think that that's what they
need to hear, right?

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It won't be the first time I've
been in trouble.

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So no, I really think that
that's what they need to hear.

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I've told them that myself when
I don't donate to our particular

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program, I'm like, here's why.
I'm not trying to be an asshole.

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I'm just giving you my opinion
as I mean I I give, I give my

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money to the things I believe.
In.

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Right.
And and that's what we ought to

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be doing, right?
I agree anyway.

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Yeah, see, see.
And, and, and what I do

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historically, which is why I
liked Rotary, instead of giving

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money, I give my time, right?
So for years I was valuable,

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right?
So for years I was on the board

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of directors for Resurrection
St.

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Ministry, which, which owns
Stuff Thrift Store, which is all

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about homeless feeding homeless
and seniors and community

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outreach in the veterans store,
things like that.

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And then because I was a, a
volunteer at Pasta Cristo, after

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about 3 months of being a
volunteer coordinator, they,

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they, they kind of like you are
just volunteering.

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They kind of said, well, you
need to be a coordinator because

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you're just too good at this.
So I'm like, that'd be great,

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you know, So I ended up having
four nights a month that I did

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meal coordination and that kind
of jazz.

449
00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:16,000
And then about a year after
being a coordinator, then they

450
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,520
twisted my arm to join the
board.

451
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,560
So I joined the board and, you
know, was doing all these things

452
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,920
and I can't really go into
detail of why I'm no longer

453
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:30,600
there on the show, but you know.
It's a good story.

454
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:35,560
When, when, when you you see
something happened that

455
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,840
shouldn't happen and then you
don't keep your mouth shut

456
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,320
because we know if you, you both
know me, I don't keep my mouth

457
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:45,040
shut.
I wouldn't allow it to be swept

458
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,280
under the carpet.
So I was asked to leave the

459
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,120
board.
I said, that's fine.

460
00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:49,360
I'll just go back to work
ordering.

461
00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:52,680
They say, no, you won't.
You can't do either now you're

462
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,400
done.
Oh, OK.

463
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,360
Well, that's good.
I see how you are.

464
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,840
And yeah, I, I've ran into
people, I've run into people

465
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,400
that actually have, were, were
on my nights of coordinating,

466
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,240
which is kind of cool.
And the first thing out of the

467
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,520
mouth is, Oh my God, I can't, I
haven't seen you in over a year.

468
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,840
And it's it's just not the same.
It's not the same without you.

469
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,800
It's a cluster.
There's no flow.

470
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,160
There's it's thank you.
I like that.

471
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,040
I appreciate that.
But that's so good for sure.

472
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,920
Right.
So, so the timing of Troy, Troy

473
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,880
Campbell, which I'm trying to
get Troy in the show Mike, but

474
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,920
but he's a little skimmish
because he works for ASU and

475
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,160
he's afraid he would say things
like Mark and get in trouble.

476
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,040
He's got more worries than me.
That's for.

477
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,400
Sure.
Yeah, Troy's another superhuman.

478
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,360
Like I met him in an open house
in Tempe years ago.

479
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,720
He loved how my approach to
things and I sold him this house

480
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,320
and he's championed me ever
since.

481
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,080
And then he started, I I started
seeing him post Rotary.

482
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,800
I'm like, dude, what is this?
Honest to God.

483
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,320
I thought it had to do with
automobiles.

484
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,760
Rotary.
Oh sure, you know, makes sense.

485
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,400
Right.
And he's like, no, it's this.

486
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,240
And it's I'm like, oh.
And as soon as he said

487
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,240
volunteers, I'm like, I'm in.
It's right up.

488
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,480
It's right up your alley.
Yeah, so.

489
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,400
But that's also why I do not
talk about where I work because

490
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,480
unlike Mark, I'm not on the
board of directors and I don't.

491
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,560
They don't need any
advertisement.

492
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,600
And you can get in trouble that
I've never said their name on

493
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,000
this podcast and I never will.
And you?

494
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,520
I'll tell you where.
I work after the show, Mark and

495
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,480
I, you know, and I end up in
that bucket.

496
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,880
So I, I was talking to some
folks yesterday and it was

497
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,120
somebody that I've worked with
for 10 years or so.

498
00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:26,920
And she was introducing me to
this other lady.

499
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,720
And the lady asked me a
question.

500
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,960
I don't remember what it was.
And I was kind of him and hawing

501
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,040
around about it, you know,
because I don't know this other

502
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,840
lady.
And the woman who knew me said,

503
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:42,000
just tell her like you normally
say stuff, just say it blunt and

504
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,360
honest.
And, and I, I went, OK.

505
00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:48,080
And I think, you know, life
would be easier if we would just

506
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,520
do that and then still care
about the other person, even if

507
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:52,920
we disagree.
You know what I'm saying?

508
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,600
Wait, here's what I always say.
Say what you mean in the nicest

509
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:57,920
way possible.
That's right.

510
00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,680
I'm not trying to hurt your
feelings.

511
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,040
Like when we started the show,
there was constructive criticism

512
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,640
that Chris and I would give each
other.

513
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,200
It wasn't.
Hey, man, that sounded like shit

514
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,760
the other day.
If we don't pick it up a little

515
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,160
bit, this is never going to
take.

516
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,000
It was like, hey, man, we need
to get you a new microphone.

517
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,120
He would say you need to talk
more.

518
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,000
Come out of your shell, you
know?

519
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,480
Yeah, it was constructive.
If everybody talked to everybody

520
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,040
that way, it would be a
beautiful world.

521
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,040
I agree with you.
I agree.

522
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,840
We and, and everything would be
better, right, if we weren't all

523
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,160
living in our own little
fortresses and, and thinking

524
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:37,080
that everybody that we talked to
is somehow an adversary.

525
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,680
You know, I mean, there's, it's,
it's just kind of sad, you know,

526
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,280
I, I, I felt that in church
world, right?

527
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,000
It's like, I don't know, we, the
church I was at here in

528
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:52,080
Scottsdale, we had a great arts
ministry, a Blair college

529
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,960
ministry and no divorce recovery
ministry at all.

530
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,160
A church right around the corner
from us had a great college

531
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,160
ministry and a church right up
the street had a great divorce

532
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,480
recovery ministry, but they both
had terrible arts ministries.

533
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,400
So I went to both of them, said,
hey, look, we'll send our

534
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,720
college kids to you.
We'll send our, you know,

535
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,080
families that are going through
divorce to you and you send your

536
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,760
dancers to us because I, you
guys ain't dancing right?

537
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,160
And there was no way, no way
that was going to happen.

538
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,520
It's like I thought we were all
on the same page.

539
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,720
I don't get, aren't we on team
God?

540
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:27,680
Aren't.
We.

541
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,000
Apparently to be right, I would,
you know, you kind of hope, I

542
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,720
guess.
So.

543
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,120
Chris knows I have my own
visions on that, but I think

544
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:40,000
that there's an an organized,
organized something.

545
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,240
It's just that's hard.
I haven't been in church.

546
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:45,680
Yeah.
And so here's.

547
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,560
Yeah, so here's a twist on that,
right?

548
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,000
So you've heard of Young Life,
Mark, right?

549
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,480
Oh, yeah.
OK, Yeah.

550
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,240
OK.
So Young Life leader, shocking

551
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:55,640
to you?
I know.

552
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:56,840
Yeah, that is.
That's crazy.

553
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,920
Mark goes to needs a high
school.

554
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,840
OK, I was young life leader for
three years, four years.

555
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:08,480
And I decided because I was in
college, I wanted to put

556
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,040
together a rock band.
So my very first rock band, I

557
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,480
and I can, you know, you know,
this because of our initial, one

558
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,960
of our things we did at Rotary,
I was the original lead singer

559
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,360
for Disturbed.
True story, no bullshit,

560
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,000
legitimate fact.
I was actually the true first

561
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,280
lead singer for Disturbed
because that was the name that I

562
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,920
named the band again, off of a
Pearl Jam video.

563
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,040
The word Disturbed came up.
I'm like, oh, that's a great

564
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,360
name for a band.
Disturbed.

565
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:40,080
OK, I got ostracized from Young
Life because I wanted to go be

566
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,160
in a band and they felt by being
in a band, I wasn't committed

567
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:45,760
and I wasn't committed to Young
Life.

568
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,240
And then I was, I was turning,
how do they say it?

569
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,400
You're turning your you're,
you're turning your back on your

570
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:56,680
relationship with God.
I'm like, really like.

571
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,760
I know his story, which which
Jesus is I hate about what?

572
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,600
And you just said it again,
Mark, you tried to get people to

573
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,640
cooperate and they won't.
And I would be like, did you

574
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,840
guys not read the I understood
the message from the get go as a

575
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,640
little kid, right?
It didn't make sense to me, but

576
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,280
I still absorbed because I'd
like to understand how things

577
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,000
work, right?
And then when you see people

578
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,200
working against each other in
something that's supposed to be

579
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,560
nothing but beautiful, right.
Where's the disconnect?

580
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,520
I I love Chris's story.
I love when he tells that story

581
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,320
because here he is trying to do
something positive and he's

582
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,560
being ostracized for it.
Right.

583
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,560
We don't do that.
That's not what we do.

584
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,440
Yeah.
When we when we.

585
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,240
And who is we?
Well, yeah.

586
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,160
And.
And who made you arbiter of my

587
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,600
life?
You know, when when we came off

588
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,480
the road with the band, we went
to visit a Southern Baptist

589
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,760
church in town.
So we went for a couple weeks

590
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,280
and then we decided to join.
So we, you know, you walk up

591
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,160
front and you tell the guy we're
going to join and the pastor

592
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,680
wanted to meet with us.
And so we went and sat in his

593
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,320
office and he said, you guys
play rock'n'roll music, right?

594
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,200
And I said, well, that's a
stretch, but we play in a band,

595
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,800
right?
I mean, you know, we play clubs

596
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,320
and stuff.
And he said, well, if you're

597
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,440
going to be a member of this
church, that's going to have to

598
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,120
stop.
And I thought, fuck you.

599
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:27,000
You know, I mean, I absolutely,
I've been, you guys won't let me

600
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,440
play in church because the
saxophone doesn't belong here.

601
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,720
So the electric guitar or the
electric was me, So what am I

602
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,840
going to do?
And, you know, and and it's such

603
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,080
nonsense anyway, you don't know
my life.

604
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:45,360
And so, yeah, I mean, we were a
member of that church for three

605
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,840
days and then we went to a
different place that I ended up

606
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,120
getting a job.
But yeah, that that whole

607
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:57,600
concept of God told me what you
need to do.

608
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,200
Thank you.
Yeah.

609
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,960
It's like, you know, he loves
that question.

610
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,720
Look, I'm right here.
God, if you want to tell me

611
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,560
something, just tell me.
I don't need it to come through.

612
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,760
Some knucklehead that can't even
figure out how to tie their.

613
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,520
Shoes right and what see what
blew my mind about the young

614
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,640
life thing, the whole thing if
for those you don't know what

615
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,440
your life is, it's a it's a it's
a youth centered youth group in

616
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,640
high school that is designed to
kind of build a rapport with

617
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:29,040
with with high schoolers that
that may not have anybody else.

618
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,320
They're the outcast, the
stoners, the Kirbys.

619
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,720
It's not fellowship of Christian
athletes.

620
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,600
It's the the polar opposite.
Of that right.

621
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,960
So I, I bonded very well with
with that core of, of students

622
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,240
because I had the long hair
because I was acting at the time

623
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:47,920
and didn't realize I wanted to
be in bands yet.

624
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,280
But I listened to what they
listened to.

625
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,680
I listened to the Metallica and
the Ozzy and the Black Sabbath

626
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,760
and the Pearl Jam sound gun.
Everything's coming out of.

627
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,600
He was a cool kid and.
Right.

628
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,160
Yeah.
No doubts, right.

629
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,040
So, and I was, I was, I
graduated high school at, at 19

630
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,960
years old.
So I wasn't the, the age gap

631
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,680
wasn't a lot.
It was, it was, I was 20 because

632
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,000
it was pretty much right after
high school.

633
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,240
So 19/20/20, 1:00-ish, you know,
within that realm.

634
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,000
So I, I identified with
everything, right?

635
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,320
Everybody else that was, was
young Life leaders with me.

636
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,600
They were late 20s, early 30s,
married kids, that kind of

637
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:23,920
thing.
So there's that gap.

638
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,160
So much so that this is fucking
a joke.

639
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:33,640
So a core of these leaders went
to a Metallica concert, OK, when

640
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,880
they're playing the Phoenix
International Raceway with, with

641
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,520
Guns and Roses.
And they, they, they prayed in

642
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,960
the back because they felt such
an evil presence.

643
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,520
And it was so dark and and you
have got just kidding me.

644
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,800
No, it was, it was, it was the
biggest fucking joke that I I

645
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,800
ever heard come out of
somebody's mouth.

646
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,080
Who, who was the area director
for your life?

647
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,720
We we had kids that would poison
was huge and every, every

648
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,560
something to believe in came out
and one of the kids was was

649
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,560
talking about that.
So after club, I had a record.

650
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,720
I used to record MTV all the
time because I you know, that's

651
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,000
Oh yeah, I just right.
So so I had I had that somewhere

652
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,760
recorded.
So I brought it to our next post

653
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,000
club meeting and I played it and
I remember him laughing.

654
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,280
This person, this leader.
When Brett Michaels teared up in

655
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,120
the part where my best friend
died.

656
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,240
A lonely man in a palm tree
hotel room, right?

657
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,600
True fucking story.
The dude overdosed.

658
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:35,960
It was his best friend.
It's.

659
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:36,720
Bodyguard.
And it was.

660
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,840
His.
Everything right, right.

661
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,000
And this leader, who's the
regional director at the time,

662
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,840
mocked that shit and thought
what a joke.

663
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,200
And I looked like like, dude,
like seriously, you don't, you

664
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,000
don't know the context of the
song.

665
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,880
You don't know the context of of
why that's emotional, right?

666
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,560
This is and I explained to him,
this is his best friend, who was

667
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,360
his bodyguard, who he's known
forever, who overdosed in a

668
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,560
hotel room in Palm Springs.
Like it's legit ripped from his

669
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:07,040
life words on the script and and
just I mean, that song connected

670
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,239
with so many kids because
literally no question.

671
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,719
You, you, I mean, now you want
something to believe in.

672
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,480
Who doesn't want something to
believe in?

673
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:16,960
The reason was #1.
Right.

674
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,560
So that and the Metallica thing.
And then I come to them and say,

675
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,320
hey, I'm going to step away
because I want to put together a

676
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,199
band.
And I'm kid you not.

677
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,679
One of the leaders that I knew
was a friend of mine.

678
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:31,400
We went to high school together.
That's it.

679
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,480
Our relationship severed because
I wanted to be in a rock'n'roll

680
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,400
band.
It's like, you can't do that.

681
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:39,880
Well, why not?
Because your life, part of your

682
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,960
life was skits.
And so I thrived.

683
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,320
I thrived in the skits because
that was my first real

684
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,239
experience being in front of
people and being on a quote UN

685
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,280
quote stage and acting from that
level and doing stupid, stupid,

686
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,120
silly shit where I realized I
don't have a filter.

687
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,400
I don't have any self-awareness
when I'm up here.

688
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,520
This just feels fantastic.
Which that was the part I love

689
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,840
the most, man, right?
You're never going to be more

690
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,840
free than standing on that
stage, right?

691
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,680
Amen that.
So for them to kind of say you

692
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,960
can't do that, and if you do
that, you can't be a leader,

693
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,560
it's like, wow, OK, well, I
guess see you later.

694
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,760
Bye now.
Full circle.

695
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,960
This person I referenced, I've
connected with him on Facebook.

696
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:27,520
So Mike and I, we're talking one
episode we found out that Cliff

697
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,800
Burtons dad had carried on
Cliffs legacy by putting, I

698
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,320
forget now, but hundreds and
hundreds and hundreds of kids

699
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,400
through college.
Oh, it was an immense amount.

700
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,960
Scholarships just insane.
And I and I shared that with

701
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,400
this person.
And then he, of course, he

702
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,160
backpedaled.
You know, well, that's not what

703
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,160
I did.
That's bullshit.

704
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,480
Dude, and how many millions of
dollars does Metallica give to

705
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,280
charity at every city?
You know they give hundreds of

706
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,320
thousands at every city they
give to, if not more than a

707
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,360
million sometimes.
Then I saw a clip of Hetfield

708
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,520
talking and he was referencing
the accident with the tour bus

709
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,200
and Cliff.
And, and it was, it was very

710
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,080
poignant because he was just
kind of like this having a

711
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,320
conversation with somebody.
And he referenced in the

712
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:18,120
conversation of, of how he prays
every day and how and how that

713
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,560
was such a struggle in Cliff
clad.

714
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,680
Like they, they were at a
crossroads from a band

715
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:22,680
standpoint.
They don't know what they're

716
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,200
going to do.
And, and it just didn't

717
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,480
understand why God took him
away.

718
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,960
I sent that clip to him.
Here's your demon man.

719
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,360
Yeah, 'cause here's your guy.
Christian Science.

720
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,120
Right, right.
Here's the poor guy.

721
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,480
Mother died not getting
medication because she believed

722
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,840
in God so much, right?
Yes, the, the and when I'm going

723
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,720
with this is the hypocrisy.
Agreed.

724
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,640
Of of Christians is just is just
unbelievable.

725
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:52,880
I mean, not all of them.
I'm not.

726
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,160
Let me tell you the box.
No, and it's the it's the, it's

727
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,320
the not being self aware.
Look, we're all we all have our

728
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,920
moments of hypocrisy, right?
I mean, it's it's because we're

729
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,160
human.
It's that meant to it right

730
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,640
here.
Well, that's what I'm saying.

731
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:13,440
It's this, this the not being
able to recognize that within

732
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,320
yourself, right?
That pointing fingers at

733
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,120
everybody else while your life's
falling apart, You know, how

734
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,360
about just let people just leave
them alone, right?

735
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,680
We're not called, but I mean,
scripture is pretty simple.

736
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,440
We're not called to judge
people.

737
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,960
We're called to love people.
That there, that's, that's all

738
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,480
you don't need.
We don't need to have a

739
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,320
discussion about it.
That's pretty simple.

740
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,400
Let me ask you the $1,000,000
question mark, because I ask

741
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,880
everybody this and now you're a
subject matter expert.

742
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,120
Chris likes to, He likes life
resumes, which I love.

743
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,600
I like when people are what I
call subject matter experts.

744
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:51,040
You were a pastor for 30 years,
correct my question at six years

745
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,040
old because I understood there
were other religions in the

746
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,480
world, right?
So I have to believe in Jesus,

747
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,480
that he died for my sins, right?
And this is going to get me to

748
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,000
heaven.
I understood the message, But my

749
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,040
question was, what about all
these other people?

750
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,600
And at that time it was kids.
What about all these other

751
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,600
little kids that are Jewish and
Muslim and Islam and Hindu and

752
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,320
Buddhist?
They don't believe in Jesus.

753
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,160
And by your definition, they're
all going to hell.

754
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,040
And I cannot accept that.
And it bothered me so much, like

755
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,760
it bothered my soul.
I knew I was an empath at that

756
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:27,280
point.
Right.

757
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,760
I'm feeling things.
Yeah.

758
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,440
On a level that most people
don't.

759
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,160
And that's been my whole life.
So what is your answer to that

760
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,640
question?
If I had presented that to you

761
00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:43,400
at that time when I was in my
20s, I would have given you the

762
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,800
stock answer and not felt very
good about it.

763
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,880
I struggled.
I like that part of your answer.

764
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,560
Yeah.
I mean, you know, I didn't start

765
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,840
going to church until I was in
the ninth grade.

766
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,000
So.
And then I made this mistake of

767
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,160
actually reading the Bible
through, right, which I'm not

768
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,600
sure very many people have done.
So in 9th grade I read through.

769
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,160
I've done it three.
I've done it three times.

770
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,440
I only made it all the way
through once, but I did it and

771
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,400
then I had a million questions.
It's like the stuff you guys say

772
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,640
this, I don't.
It doesn't make any sense to me.

773
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,760
I so that was their first
mistake was asking me to read

774
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,280
that book.
That's exactly right.

775
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:18,600
You should have told me.
Don't read it.

776
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:19,680
We're going to tell you what to
think.

777
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:24,520
Thank you.
So I think early in my ministry,

778
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,960
I would have given you that
common answer and really felt

779
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:34,080
crummy about it because it's
never made any sense to me that

780
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:39,720
God, that this God that we can't
explain, this God that is bigger

781
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:45,640
than all of us, this God that is
whatever that we are the only

782
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,920
people who have the right path
to that and everybody else is

783
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,360
screwed.
It doesn't make any sense to me.

784
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,960
That's always my final question
to anybody who just gets too

785
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,360
indignant about that.
They're absolutely right.

786
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,560
I'm like time out.
First off, you don't know and I

787
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,360
don't know because we're not
dead yet, right?

788
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,720
And thank whoever for that,
right?

789
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,520
Right.
But that's how I always defuse

790
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,640
the situation.
It's like man, Jesus, time out,

791
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,200
you know?
No pun intended, but fair

792
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,720
enough.
So I, I love your answer, man.

793
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:20,640
I mean, is God is God not able
to reveal himself or herself to

794
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,240
other people in other ways?
I mean, waiting, so many people

795
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:27,480
have died waiting, right?
My grandma was sure that he was

796
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,040
coming soon.
My grandma was little.

797
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,280
She was the one that kind of got
me on the iffy path.

798
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,840
So thank, thank you Grammy, for
making me think and open my eyes

799
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,640
and teaching me about humanity,
right?

800
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,480
I can thank her and my mother
and my great grandmother for

801
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,400
the, the humanity side of it,
right?

802
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,840
They taught me empathy and that
other people have feelings and

803
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,600
that you're not always right.
And the Christians.

804
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,000
Here's what I heard the other
day that I want to hear what you

805
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,880
guys think.
The guy said good people do good

806
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,240
things, bad people do bad
things.

807
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,280
But when good people do bad
things, it's religion.

808
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,080
Wow, that's interesting.
That's rattled around in my head

809
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,360
for a while.
Yeah, I think that's pretty

810
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,760
fair.
I just look at the history of

811
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,440
the church.
Just saying that that's their

812
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,040
way of justifying doing their
bad things.

813
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,840
Right?
Because we just said, if you

814
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,800
read the book, there's so many
things you're not supposed to

815
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,640
do.
I got in so much trouble in, in

816
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,480
the ministry one time because,
you know, the answer is that

817
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,320
whole, you know, question, why
do good things?

818
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,360
Why do bad things happen to good
people?

819
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:39,520
And, and my God, the, the, the
gymnastics that people do trying

820
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,360
to come up with an answer to
that question.

821
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,880
That just always sounds like
bullshit.

822
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,720
I mean, you know, God allows it,
blah, blah, blah.

823
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:52,160
So I had really developed my
own, I mean, others have shared

824
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,160
this, but my version of this,
which was God doesn't know

825
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,480
everything and he's not all
powerful because if he is, he's,

826
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,600
he's to blame for a lot.
If there are things he could

827
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:07,280
stop that he chooses not to.
If there are things that that

828
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,480
happen in people's lives, you
know, you, you, you support St.

829
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,920
Jews.
What it's God's plan to give a

830
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:18,000
three-year old cancer.
I mean, that makes no sense.

831
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,400
Still.
I can't live with that.

832
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,120
I can't live with that.
God knows a little kid.

833
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,680
So I can give $20.00 a month or
whatever, right?

834
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,960
I mean, it makes no sense.
So I, I have to, in order for me

835
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:36,400
to continue to believe in God, I
have to choose to believe He's

836
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,120
not in control of everything and
he doesn't know everything.

837
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,960
And that makes that makes
regular Christian folks insane.

838
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,840
So I'll make them even more
insane.

839
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,400
I just say I choose to live a
good life and try to do good

840
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,440
things and do good by people.
This is where I came to in my

841
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,120
life, right?
Because I had to throw away all

842
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,320
the guilt.
All religion ever gave me was

843
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,960
guilt.
I was like riddled with it

844
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,360
because I'm trying to take it
seriously.

845
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,760
Like I do everything in my life
and it's almost driving me

846
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,880
insane.
So I at one point I was just

847
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:15,080
like, if there is a God in the
sense that I was taught, and

848
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,480
when I get there, we're I'm
going to have a lot of

849
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,200
explaining to do, right.
That's just, that's that's where

850
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:22,920
we're at.
That's how I have to live with

851
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,840
my life.
And that'll really spin their

852
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,600
head around.
One of the two of you has got a

853
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,080
lot of explaining to do.
It may be God that has a lot of

854
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,240
explaining to do.
That's how it's like, yeah.

855
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:35,040
It's like, hey, man, you want to
run this by me again?

856
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,960
But then then those people are
like the arrogance of you, you

857
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,920
know, how are you?
Yeah, you're a heretic.

858
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,600
I was called a heretic, but I've
done better in my life with this

859
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,200
thought process.
I've become a nicer person.

860
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,960
People like me, I have a lot of
friends.

861
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,440
This is always my argument,
right?

862
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,720
I'm not sure where I'm going
wrong because this is the best

863
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,880
point in my life, spiritually
and emotionally than I've ever

864
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:01,600
been in.
Chris knows I would have never

865
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,360
done this 40 years ago here. 30
years ago.

866
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,320
He would have been doing all the
interviews and I would have said

867
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,600
a couple words and moved on.
It's like, hey, that's your

868
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,440
department, right?
Go my my oldest daughter, all,

869
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,720
all my kids are good musicians.
My oldest daughter was a worship

870
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:22,360
leader for a long time, and she
worked at the same church.

871
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,160
We all left.
She went to Harvard, got her

872
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:30,840
degree in I got her master's in
philosophy, and now she works.

873
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,640
If you're in the Christian
world, you know who Gunger is.

874
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,920
Gunger was a musician, wrote a
ton of church songs.

875
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,400
He also left the church.
So he's put together this group

876
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,840
of musicians.
She's what she's going to

877
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:50,280
Colorado next week, next month.
That right spiritual songs that

878
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,720
aren't tied to any specific
faith, right?

879
00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:59,480
Songs about the the, the
spiritual part of who we are

880
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:04,480
without it having to be locked
in to being Christian or Muslim

881
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:09,280
or Jewish or whatever it may be.
And, and that feels really good.

882
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:10,680
I was.
When I was working at

883
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,960
Westminster, I was reading
through some church stuff and it

884
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,320
pissed me off.
And so I slammed the lid down to

885
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,080
my computer and said I am done,
I'm done with Baptist.

886
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,680
And these two Muslim girls came
up and said, hey, can we talk to

887
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,240
you?
I said sure.

888
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,920
They said, hey, we're worried
that you're going to hell.

889
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,680
Would you like to become a
Muslim?

890
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:35,560
I went, no, no, yours is just as
nuts.

891
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:40,400
I'm trying to avoid rules, you
guys, you guys are nothing but

892
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,800
rules.
You know, the, the Bible says it

893
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,560
is for freedom's sake that you
are set free.

894
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,560
And then so we become free and
then we burden ourselves with a

895
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,360
bunch of rules that don't make
any sense.

896
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,040
That's the point.
They don't make sense.

897
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,320
It don't make sense.
I'm so glad you keep saying

898
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,520
that.
I, I love it because that is the

899
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,960
point.
And people look at you like

900
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,680
you're nuts when you say stuff
like that.

901
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:09,200
It's just, it's getting better.
I mean, living in 2025, you

902
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,880
don't have as much of A horrible
reaction as you did in 1985,

903
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,640
right?
Or even 1995.

904
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,280
I mean, the fastest growing
group of Christians in the

905
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,240
United States are called the
nuns.

906
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,400
Do you know this?
The NONES meaning they have

907
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,000
faith that they refuse to go to
church.

908
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,840
So because they can't, they feel
like church.

909
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,360
It doesn't really reflect what
Jesus wants from people.

910
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:41,240
So that's the fast.
So on on my staff, I'm an ex

911
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:46,240
pastor or COO is an ex pastor
like board chair is an ex pastor

912
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,600
because we lost our way somehow.
I'm not exactly sure what

913
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:56,000
happened or we just what killed
me, Mark, was when I found out

914
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,520
that when they translated the
Bible from Hebrew, it didn't go

915
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,160
from Hebrew to English.
It went from Hebrew to Aramaic

916
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,520
to English, Right.
So it's a second generation.

917
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,920
And the example that the guy
gave me that made me really stop

918
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,800
and think is have you ever
gotten instructions from

919
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,520
something that was made in China
and the person that wrote the

920
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,960
instructions barely spoke
English?

921
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,120
I was like, yeah, that's the
Bible.

922
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:26,680
Well, that and then, you know,
the group of men who chose what

923
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,720
went in and what didn't go in
and how those verses should be

924
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:31,280
translated.
That's where it gets even more.

925
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,280
Bad it gets even while while
tripping on mushrooms.

926
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,320
There you go.
That's a good point.

927
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,960
Correct.
There was no Internet or

928
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,840
television.
There was the Acacia Bush, which

929
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,920
was full of DMT, which is the
most psychoactive substance on

930
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,560
earth.
I've done it three times.

931
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,040
How was it?
It'll take you to a place that

932
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,640
will assure you that there's
something after this, in my

933
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,240
opinion, but I'm not quite sure
what it is.

934
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:59,520
It was the most geometric, so
the shapes, the visuals,

935
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,640
geometric color, but the
geometry is like something

936
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,960
you've never seen.
But the thing that got me was

937
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,120
over and I get my I got
goosebumps in every part of my

938
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,960
body, including my toenails
right now.

939
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:18,000
It was overwhelming love, like I
understood unconditional love in

940
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,400
that trip over anything else
I've ever done.

941
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,160
With the exception of Ben
Stiller.

942
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,040
Everybody that's done those has
said the same thing.

943
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,640
You know, my, my friend of mine
went to Mexico.

944
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,400
We did two days, said it was the
most enlightening spiritual

945
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,680
experience of his life.
And I've also done peyote

946
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,760
masculine.
I've done acid.

947
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,960
I've done mushrooms.
Those aren't.

948
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,480
And when people hear you say
that, they're like, oh, my God.

949
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,160
And I, I just laugh because I'm
like, now I know you've never

950
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,320
done it because it's not
something that you strive to do

951
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,480
again.
I waited 15 years between a lot

952
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,920
of those, you know.
Yeah.

953
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,040
I didn't start drinking whiskey
till I was 50.

954
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,520
So I missed out on pretty much
all this.

955
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:08,680
I was 43 maybe when I started
drinking whiskey or a good

956
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,200
bourbon.
Yeah, a good bourbon.

957
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:11,640
That's a better way to put it.
Yeah.

958
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:14,920
What are you digging through,
Chris?

959
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:17,240
I'm trying to find a song I
wrote called.

960
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,640
I'm starting to think I hijacked
the conversation and he he got

961
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,200
he just like he's, he's doing
escrow paperwork.

962
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,360
He knows I'm joking.
With you, there's a song I wrote

963
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,880
in in.
I knew exactly what he was

964
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,400
doing, that's why I didn't say
anything.

965
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,960
Called letter to God and I was
trying to find it because it it.

966
00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:34,440
It.
That's a great song dude.

967
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,200
Thank you.
There's, there's, there's,

968
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,160
there's.
I'll bring you ACD, Mark.

969
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:42,000
Yeah, I'd like that.
There's, there's, it's basically

970
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:48,160
it kind of summarizes people's
questions about God's existence.

971
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,200
Like what would you say in a
letter to God today?

972
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,000
Why would you offer?
Why would I?

973
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:54,680
Why would you?
Why?

974
00:49:54,680 --> 00:50:00,280
Why would you offer?
OK, the dynamic of us this I

975
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:06,080
wrote it after the Sandy Hook
shooting with 20 some odd kids

976
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,920
were killed.
So that that was the emotion

977
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,880
that I was going through and
like, like, but there's

978
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:17,480
references in the song about why
would you offer the keys to the

979
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:22,160
gate for a Sinner to for a
Sinner to sit next to the

980
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,480
Saints?
Why would you like Dahmer?

981
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,280
OK, Dahmer, the whole, the whole
belief in Mike, you'll

982
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,280
understand this and I'm sure
Mike, you will at some level.

983
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,800
The whole concept of
Christianity is accept, believe

984
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,320
and commit, Accept Jesus Christ
died for your sins, believe that

985
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,080
he died for your sins, commit
your life to him.

986
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,000
Sure, right, Whatever that looks
like.

987
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:45,200
So I struggle with that part of
it because I had I had a friend

988
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:46,920
in young life.
I'm going to squirrel a moment

989
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,000
here.
I had a friend in your life, but

990
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,120
you'll see where it's going.
Who's who.

991
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,840
He was very adamant about his
his mother not being a

992
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,280
Christian.
Like she didn't believe, she

993
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,080
didn't practice.
She just thought it was a joke.

994
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,760
She died.
Me being me, I approached him

995
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,520
the next time I saw him.
Hey, we'll call him.

996
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,280
We'll just call him.
Hey, your mom died.

997
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,880
She didn't believe, so she's in
hell.

998
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,240
Total Dick move on my part.
Like, total Dick move.

999
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,320
Ouch, right?
It wasn't, it wasn't that I was,

1000
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,360
I was trying to like him.
It was just, it was a legitimate

1001
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:29,160
question because I knew he
walked and he still walks

1002
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:30,880
because I follow his wife on
Facebook.

1003
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,400
I've tried to apologize him.
He won't talk to me anymore.

1004
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:34,680
Which, you know, it is what it
is.

1005
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,520
I was an ass.
I I recognized.

1006
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,840
We were all asses when we were
young man.

1007
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,600
We were stupid.
But I recognized when I threw

1008
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,520
those words out of my mouth,
like, oh, that was the wrong

1009
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,640
thing to say, or at least the
wrong way to phrase it.

1010
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,400
He didn't mean it the way it
came out.

1011
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:52,720
No, but he didn't have an answer
to it, which was wrong in my

1012
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:56,000
eyes because you have to have
that answer.

1013
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,880
Because she didn't accept, she
didn't believe, she didn't

1014
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,320
commit.
She's in hell.

1015
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,520
That's why I like the fact that
he said he wouldn't have felt

1016
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,760
good about his answer.
Right, but all things considered

1017
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,480
from a Christian, the whole
concept Christianity is ABC.

1018
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:15,720
So in those clear cut lame and
terms, his mom's in hell.

1019
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:20,520
Now do I believe that now as a
55 year old man, No, I don't

1020
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,440
because I'm the same thing.
I went, I grew up wanting to be

1021
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,760
a high school minister at some
point at one point in time.

1022
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,240
And then, you know, life changed
and I wanted to be a rock star

1023
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:32,880
and blah, blah, blah, blah.
But so when I wrote letter to

1024
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:38,000
God, it it it talks about the
fact that how can you allow

1025
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,720
somebody like Dahmer, who for
all intents and purposes,

1026
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,520
according to to, you know, the
conversations, the history of of

1027
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,000
his time in prison, he found
God.

1028
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,760
OK, he committed himself to God.
And then within a month's time

1029
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,280
he was beaten to death in the
bathroom.

1030
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,800
So if Christianity, the ABC is
is a true and fact statement.

1031
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,560
And that's what we have to live
by.

1032
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,840
Dahmer's up in heaven right now,
chilling with.

1033
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:07,560
And I'm going to hell.
Right.

1034
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,240
So, but that's the thing.
So Ozzy God blessed everybody

1035
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:14,040
every night, every after his
shows, right Him and Jack, there

1036
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,960
was a conversation.
I saw him and Jack Jack was

1037
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,320
asking him what he believes in
Ozzy kind of like you, Mike, he

1038
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,720
doesn't believe in a God, but he
believes in a higher power.

1039
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,520
So when I.
I believe in an organization of.

1040
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,040
Exactly.
So when I went through a, a, the

1041
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,680
first, the first year of being
sober, I mean, that was the

1042
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,920
thing.
Everybody's like, oh, I'm sold

1043
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,680
by the grace of God.
And we've talked about this

1044
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,960
before.
There's too many.

1045
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,760
Coincidences in this universe to
think that it's not organized

1046
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,120
somehow.
And that's what I mean by

1047
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:43,640
organized.
Please don't think I mean

1048
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,000
religion people.
No, no, no, no.

1049
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,520
I mean that the universe is too
organized and there's too many

1050
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:53,280
things that happen that you
can't explain that something's

1051
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,960
going on somewhere.
Like Mark said, either we have

1052
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,480
somebody who's asleep at the
wheel sometimes, and that's a

1053
00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:02,240
strong possibility.
Sure, or we all live in a

1054
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:06,720
simulation that we've advanced
so far that none of this shit's

1055
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:12,120
real and we don't even know it,
we never will, or who the fuck

1056
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,280
knows?
And that's the fun part of it.

1057
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,320
And that's why we're sitting
here talking, and I love it.

1058
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,560
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So that that was the and I had,

1059
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,920
I had different people reacted
letter to God different ways.

1060
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,320
I was, I was working with some,
some guys from Israel, you know,

1061
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,120
and I gave them the CD and then
when they went back to Israel,

1062
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,600
they sent me a message.
Wow, letter to God, huh?

1063
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,520
I was like, yeah.
And it they didn't mean it like

1064
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:36,880
in a nice way.
They were kind of like.

1065
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,480
How did you?
Did you write right?

1066
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:45,440
But that's that's that was my
kind of way to just kind of put

1067
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,960
it in writing that because I had
the same stuff with Mike.

1068
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:53,000
Like I grew up and I was beaten.
I was abused, I was molested, I

1069
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,160
was fucked with, you know, I
mean, just it had a.

1070
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,160
But that's one thing I loved
about you as a front man.

1071
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,680
You would say the things that
were hard to say at that He

1072
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,840
would.
His lyrics were very powerful,

1073
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:04,320
man.
They were.

1074
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,800
They made you think, you know,
there were certain things that

1075
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,960
stood out and there were certain
things that if you read them,

1076
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,640
you'd be like, whoa, hey, this
dude's deep.

1077
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,120
You know, that was my first
thought.

1078
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,120
Like, this guy's deep.
He's 23 years old and he's right

1079
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,920
and shit, like he's lived 60
years already.

1080
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:24,400
Where did you guys meet?
He tells the story better than.

1081
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:29,720
That OK so candle box concert we
were a place called the Electric

1082
00:55:29,720 --> 00:55:35,960
Ballroom in Tempe and candle box
came on and I I started singing

1083
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,000
with Kevin Martin, the lead
singer and it was.

1084
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,680
Told about 1500 people, maybe
2000.

1085
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,200
OK, so when I so when I say I'm
singing with him, I'm singing

1086
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,040
with him note for note.
I'm hitting his highs as low as

1087
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:48,600
it's it's you might as well
just.

1088
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,440
But it wasn't humming along.
No, you put a mic in my hand and

1089
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,280
I was doing what he was doing.
So this long haired creepy dude

1090
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,200
after in between you saw and
kept looking back at me and it

1091
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,080
was kind of like that look like
shut the fuck up and I'm so I'm

1092
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,720
like I'm going to get I'm going
to do this even more now.

1093
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,760
So you know, then I I really
start, you know, coming from the

1094
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,600
diaphragm and and singing and
hitting it and stage goes out.

1095
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,360
Half the stage power goes out
with the thing.

1096
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,600
The ballroom had whatever break
or pop.

1097
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:21,000
Like it was meant to be.
House lights go on, the band

1098
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,480
talks, blah, blah, blah.
Mike turns it on the business

1099
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:24,600
card.
Are you a singer?

1100
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,920
You had a business card.
That said, at the time, the band

1101
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,960
was called Desperate Angel with
his name and phone number.

1102
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,440
And I was like, yeah, he's like,
we're looking for a singer for

1103
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,240
my band, man we.
Literally had just fired our

1104
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,280
bass player who is also our
singer because he had stage

1105
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:45,000
fright something terrible.
We had gigs booked and we needed

1106
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,160
a singer and a bass player now
and I'm like bass player is a

1107
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:52,200
little tough to find, but a
front man is almost impossible.

1108
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:53,640
It's like trying to find a good
drummer.

1109
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,960
You know you were a musician. 2
things that you can't replace

1110
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,320
your drummer and your front man.
I don't care who you are as a

1111
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,040
band, you're not going to
succeed, and we didn't either,

1112
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,600
so.
Yeah.

1113
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,080
So true.
That was it.

1114
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,360
And then we went out wet Scott
and him in a bar.

1115
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,760
We hung out, drank some beers
and shit, then went back to

1116
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,800
Scott's house where we would
practice and jammed.

1117
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,240
And so my addition, Mike and I
decided a couple weeks ago on

1118
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,800
episode dude, he showed.
Up with like a briefcase full of

1119
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:25,360
lyrics already.
I was like, if any of those are

1120
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,960
any good, like you're in because
I've already heard you sing,

1121
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,520
right?
Wow, that's crazy.

1122
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,800
Yeah, and that's not that's not
all of them.

1123
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:37,120
I knew he was, I knew he was
committed and prepared just

1124
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:41,120
because I heard him saying I'm
like, you know, as long as he's

1125
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,880
got any kind of stage presence.
Then we met him at a bar.

1126
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,200
We had a few beers.
And while we're having some

1127
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,280
beers, he's like, yeah, I was in
acting school and I was an

1128
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,600
actor.
And I've done this and, you

1129
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:55,680
know, I've done commercial spots
and I've been in other bands.

1130
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,520
And he mentioned the bands and I
had, I knew the bands.

1131
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,160
Disturbed was one of them.
And they weren't even famous,

1132
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:03,600
you know?
Yeah, the other one was the

1133
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:05,720
Andalusian dog.
And I had heard of them too,

1134
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,080
because you guys had.
And the reason why you heard of

1135
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,760
Andalusian Dog, Mark, is because
the marketing genius of me

1136
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:15,960
started back then because the
ballroom had these spots that

1137
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,400
you could advertise.
So I advertised Andalusian Dog

1138
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,640
because we had not had yet to
play out, but I'd go to the

1139
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,960
ballroom and look at bands and
because back then nobody shaved

1140
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:30,720
their head, my head was shaved.
So I was recognizable because

1141
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,320
there's only one bald man in the
crowd.

1142
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,760
And then I grew it out and then
I ended up shaving it again for

1143
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:39,200
the bald cap thing.
But it was one of those things

1144
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:43,240
that because I had marketing, I
had myself was the main

1145
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:44,880
character of the band being the
singer.

1146
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,040
It was just me standing on stage
or not really on stage, but in

1147
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,480
the studio with the name of the
band behind us.

1148
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,000
But Andalus and Dog came up, the
Neil came up with it.

1149
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,000
Our drummer who Neil was the one
that made my mic stand, Mike, I

1150
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,840
had this really nice, I had this
really bad ass mic stand that I

1151
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:01,480
actually put my hand in this
resin.

1152
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,800
He got so many compliments on
this thing dude.

1153
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,800
And so my hand, my hand was
where the mic would be.

1154
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,080
So the microphone came in on my
hand.

1155
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,720
Oh, that's cool.
Yeah, the base of it.

1156
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,720
How much did that thing weigh?
Probably 30 lbs.

1157
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,000
Probably 30 lbs.
The base of it, because I was

1158
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,640
really into Morrison was Raven's
Claws and Talons.

1159
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,480
So you had my shoulder down to
my hand coming up from this

1160
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:27,000
Raven's claws and and all the
veins and stuff in my arm picked

1161
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,920
up on the on the black resin.
It was amazing.

1162
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,600
So I got to tell, I got to tell
a boss story about this mic

1163
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,640
stand that Chris will never
understand because he wasn't

1164
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,520
into the sound and the, you
know, I dealt with all that

1165
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,800
shit.
So the sound man would say, how

1166
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,960
many mic stands do you need?
And then he would speak up.

1167
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,480
I got my own.
It was so fucking cool and those

1168
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,440
guys got such a kick out of it
because no singer in the world

1169
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,160
showed up with their own mic,
just their own mic.

1170
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,520
Chris was like, I got it
covered, and if you need me to

1171
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,400
kick anybody's ass, I got it
covered too.

1172
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,960
Because that thing was.
Weapon you.

1173
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,760
Guys was Neil was Neil was an
art student at ASU.

1174
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,320
So it was an art project He had
to use some kind of element that

1175
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,720
that wasn't normal for art.
So it was an art project.

1176
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,000
You got an A on.
Then he gave it to me.

1177
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,480
And then the cool thing about it
was perfectly we measured it so

1178
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,880
I could hold the mic like this
and my foot could go underneath

1179
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,200
the raven's claws and I could
rock it on stage.

1180
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,040
Very cool.
Like it was.

1181
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,080
I mean, it was.
It was an extension.

1182
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,320
And then we went the last
bananas.

1183
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,720
Then we went to Sturgis, rode
the Sturgis tour and and the

1184
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,960
person I don't like to talk to
threw something in the back of

1185
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,680
the truck and then all of a
sudden you see the mic stand go

1186
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:45,960
boop and the drummer, Jesse, the
drummer's like like just freaked

1187
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:47,160
out.
He's like, that's a bad omen.

1188
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,080
That's a that's holy shit.
This is going to we're going to

1189
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:51,600
fall apart.
Something bad's going to happen.

1190
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:55,040
The whole band fell apart by the
why we're there because his ego,

1191
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,560
not Jesse.
The other guy just Josh wanted

1192
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:00,280
to quit.
Jesse quit as soon as we got

1193
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,680
back to Arizona and it was never
the same.

1194
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,120
Neil tried to fix it.
It just.

1195
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,400
It just it just.
Is that the dude I jammed with?

1196
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,880
Josh Yeah, yeah, The bass
player, yeah.

1197
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:10,720
Josh.
Yeah.

1198
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,480
Yeah.
See, you guys are super cool.

1199
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:17,160
Here is a band I was in when I
was a senior in high school.

1200
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,880
Duche.
Oh, right on.

1201
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,200
Tumbling dice.
Tumbling dice.

1202
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,920
You guys were epic.
Dude, this is me.

1203
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:29,600
I love it.
I love the fact you're

1204
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:30,960
committed.
Pimp Dad.

1205
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,520
OK, He's sharing ours now.
Oh, that's good.

1206
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:36,560
Yeah.
Much hipper than what I just

1207
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:37,080
showed you.
Yeah.

1208
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,680
Yeah.
Yeah, and it's.

1209
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,480
That's at the Mason jar, if
you're familiar, Mike, I am.

1210
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:44,600
I am.
Yeah.

1211
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,560
That's a lot.
That's on the stage at the Mason

1212
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:48,800
Jar, probably opening up for
Sacred Reich.

1213
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:50,400
Yeah, yeah.
There's Chris.

1214
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:52,960
There's Mike.
You guys play at all anymore?

1215
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,560
We are actually annoy.
We are actually trying to do

1216
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,840
things remotely now.
We're working on redoing the

1217
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,880
song that you heard at the
beginning of the show.

1218
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,400
And I'm.
I'm holding things up now.

1219
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,600
So that's why I don't talk about
it a lot.

1220
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:12,280
But it's, yeah, the bass tracks
done, the drum tracks done.

1221
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,560
I just need to get a guitar
track so he can lay down a

1222
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,040
vocal.
And that was the original

1223
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:18,960
conversation.
I can't remember if I called

1224
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,320
Chris or he called me I.
Called you because I called you

1225
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,200
because I wrote a song.
And.

1226
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,960
I sent you the lyrics and you
were like, dude, that's fucking

1227
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:28,720
badass.
I'm like, yeah, let's go, let's

1228
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,440
start writing music again.
And shortly after that, I

1229
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,640
developed trigger finger, so I
couldn't play for like, I don't

1230
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,360
know, months.
My sister's a physical therapist

1231
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,800
and I finally stopped being a
man and said, how do I repair

1232
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,320
this?
You know, And she says, do this

1233
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:44,960
and hope it works.
And if it doesn't, you're going

1234
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,760
to have to have surgery.
So I followed her instructions

1235
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,040
and it worked.
And I'm still, you know, able to

1236
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:52,360
play today.
So thank you, Melissa.

1237
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,200
Awesome.
Yeah.

1238
01:02:57,840 --> 01:02:58,960
What's that?
No.

1239
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,000
We'll have some new stuff coming
out here pretty soon.

1240
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,440
I get bugged about it all the
time because everybody's like,

1241
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,240
oh, you're a musician.
You told me you played guitar

1242
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,840
like we never heard anything.
That gets old.

1243
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,880
So yeah, you got to call their
bluff eventually.

1244
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,080
Yeah.
Here you go, pal.

1245
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:15,800
Do you still play?
I do.

1246
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:19,520
I actually.
It's a whole different planet.

1247
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,120
But yeah, I play it up.
Music's music, man.

1248
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,760
I play in a jazz group that
plays once a month up in north

1249
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,360
Scottsdale.
And then the family.

1250
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:30,360
What's that called?
Plug it.

1251
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,040
No, man, you can't come see it.
No, Plug it.

1252
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,440
I can't.
I can't.

1253
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,600
I don't know what it's called.
It's just a bunch of old guys.

1254
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:42,680
It's like you don't understand.
We don't have a name.

1255
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,200
Yeah, they've been doing it for
26 years.

1256
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:47,880
They haven't gotten around to
having a name.

1257
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:54,480
And then the family has a band,
and so my wife's a keyboard

1258
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,000
player.
Anyway, everybody's a musician,

1259
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,320
so.
But we rent ourselves.

1260
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,920
We we actually play for free for
nonprofits that are doing a

1261
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,840
fundraiser.
So that's what we do.

1262
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,560
But it's all pop music.
You know, I'm thrilled if I'm

1263
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:10,360
playing Stevie Wonder and Bruno
Mars.

1264
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,280
So yeah, I love both of us.
Yeah.

1265
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,800
My playlist will go anywhere
from Michael Jackson to Pantera

1266
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,840
back-to-back.
There you go.

1267
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,800
That's good.
Well, and it's indicative who we

1268
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,520
were too, because we opened for
anybody from Marshall Tucker

1269
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,040
Band, Sacred Reich, Tony
McAlpine.

1270
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:29,760
I mean, it's, you know, enough's
enough.

1271
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,120
I mean, 7 Dust L.A.
Guns, right?

1272
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:34,720
It's just in, in.
Yeah.

1273
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:36,640
It's one of those things the
back then we didn't realize who

1274
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,240
we were playing with, right.
And and then now it's like

1275
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:43,160
kidding me.
I just word we opened for a band

1276
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:44,760
and you guys can probably help
me.

1277
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:47,480
That was called Mammoth.
Yep.

1278
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:52,640
That then became Van Halen.
Van Halen, we opened for them,

1279
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,480
who is now Mammoth again, Eddie
Kidd, we opened for them in

1280
01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:00,160
Bismarck, South Dakota.
Wow, that's.

1281
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:01,400
Awesome.
That's awesome.

1282
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:06,080
That it was 1990.
It would have been 678, I think.

1283
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,120
So right before they changed
their name.

1284
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:09,560
Yeah.
I had no idea.

1285
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,160
How was that?
You literally saw Eddie Van

1286
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:15,880
Halen before anybody knew who he
was.

1287
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,720
He had to tell you that story.
I didn't know, I didn't know

1288
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,800
what was going on.
I was too busy trying to be

1289
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:24,280
cool.
I love this guy.

1290
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,600
I told you he's great.
OK, so people who are honest.

1291
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:32,440
Yeah, so before we let you go, I
want you to plug Foster's 360.

1292
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,400
OK?
So this is this is another thing

1293
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:35,920
that Mark does.
And then and then we'll wrap

1294
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,080
everything up because we're over
an hour and I don't want to, you

1295
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:39,640
know, take you away from what
you got to do.

1296
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,880
So talk about Foster's 360 and
what that's all absolutely love

1297
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:47,000
to.
So, so I've, I've been working

1298
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:52,600
for 1012 years trying to figure
out some kind of a solution for

1299
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:56,680
the homelessness problem and
have just banged my head against

1300
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,280
the wall and, and haven't been
very effective.

1301
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,680
And then we do a lot of work
with foster kids.

1302
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:06,840
And I discovered that about half
of the kids at age out of foster

1303
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:10,120
care end up homeless within two
years, right?

1304
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,560
And I thought, OK, well, if
we're going to work to battle

1305
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:15,880
homelessness, we need to be
doing it from, we need to be

1306
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,240
doing it upstream.
How do we keep kids from

1307
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:21,760
becoming homeless as opposed to
waiting until they are homeless

1308
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,000
and trying to get them off the
street?

1309
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,520
So we started this program
called Foster 360, which is

1310
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:34,880
housing and traumatic trauma
informed care for young people

1311
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:40,280
since we were kind of we were
pioneering that in many ways.

1312
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:44,280
So all of our students go to
Barrow, They get tested for

1313
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:47,280
traumatic brain injury.
The majority of them have

1314
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,600
traumatic brain injury.
They enter.

1315
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:51,360
What's that?
I've been there.

1316
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:51,920
Yeah.
OK.

1317
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:56,000
They enter into our program.
We don't have an end date on it.

1318
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,040
The deal is never homeless
again.

1319
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:01,760
So the kids will come in, they
go through six months of just

1320
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:05,160
getting their spirit quiet.
And then we start to work with

1321
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,240
them about finishing school or
getting an education or getting

1322
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,160
a job and teaching a life
skills.

1323
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:14,040
Because they don't have that
thing that many of us have,

1324
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:17,600
which is if I go out and try and
fail, I can move back home.

1325
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,600
They don't have a back home to
move to, right.

1326
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:25,240
So we really do become that that
safety net for them.

1327
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,320
And, and I'm really proud of
that program.

1328
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:32,560
It, it, it does great things for
those young people.

1329
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:35,760
And we just went through a
leadership transition and I'm

1330
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:36,920
really excited about where we're
going.

1331
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:39,240
We got some kids who would
rather graduate out.

1332
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:41,920
We're going to add some more
kids to our housing.

1333
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:46,600
We're going to add about 20 kids
to a cohort that we don't have

1334
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:49,480
housing for, but that we'll be
working through life skills and

1335
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:52,040
the trauma informed stuff.
And we'd really like to grow

1336
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,600
that program up.
So yeah, I'm excited about that

1337
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:56,200
work.
So when you say graduate out, I

1338
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:57,800
don't want to hold you up too
much more either.

1339
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:02,640
But when you say graduate out, I
know they all start at different

1340
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:03,480
times.
Probably.

1341
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:07,440
You're saying like foster care
ends at one age 20.

1342
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,480
Well, it ends at 18 and then
there's extended foster care

1343
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:14,680
till 24.
OK, So how long are they in your

1344
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,160
program on average?
If they're going to be a success

1345
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:20,560
story until they're ready to not
be, that's awesome.

1346
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:24,040
Yeah, because we don't take
federal money.

1347
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:28,160
We don't take state money.
Those things all pretty much say

1348
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:31,200
these have to be two year
programs or you have to boot

1349
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,880
them out when they're 24.
It's like, what if they're not

1350
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:37,359
ready when they're 24?
We got it when they were 22.

1351
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:42,640
They didn't have their GED.
So we need to work them through

1352
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:46,120
getting their GED and either
getting a skill or getting a

1353
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,399
degree.
Well, already you're at four

1354
01:08:48,399 --> 01:08:51,800
years, right?
So and they need to be able to

1355
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,960
make enough money to live here.
So some of the students can come

1356
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:59,800
in there, they've got their a a
they're able to get ready, find

1357
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:01,560
a job.
We've had some kids come through

1358
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:03,720
Eve it.
They get a job as a plumber, an

1359
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:05,319
electrician, they're ready to
go.

1360
01:09:05,319 --> 01:09:08,680
Others there's not there's no
one-size-fits-all.

1361
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:12,520
Everybody has their own story,
their own background, their own

1362
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:17,120
brokenness.
And you can't determine what

1363
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:19,720
it's going to take to fix
somebody with some arbitrary

1364
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:23,080
number that either the
government is giving you or

1365
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,479
somebody's told you.
So when they're ready, they're

1366
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,720
ready.
We could talk for a million

1367
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:29,359
hours.
Because most people don't

1368
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:32,960
understand that there's those
rules and regulations in what

1369
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,520
they consider welfare and
charity that's funded by the

1370
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,680
state, the government, the
county, the city, whatever.

1371
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,800
You know, they put stipulations
on those kind of things.

1372
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,560
And that's why they fail at such
a high success rate.

1373
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,760
Oh, absolutely weird thing to
say.

1374
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:54,400
There's a person I know, she's
really intelligent and she's, I

1375
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,320
have to be careful.
I don't want to anyway.

1376
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:02,960
But she, she is determined that
for her family, her husband and

1377
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:07,400
her two children, in order for
them to not get the benefits of

1378
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:12,280
disability and all of that,
she'd have to be making about

1379
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:15,960
$82,000 a year.
So we've offered her a full time

1380
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:19,000
job, but we can't reach that.
But for her, the benefits are

1381
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,720
either all or nothing.
Well, what kind of sense does

1382
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,400
that make?
So if she if, if we could give

1383
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:29,120
her 50,000 a year and she would
need from you guys, you know,

1384
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:33,480
support of 20,000 a year, why
can't there be a sliding scale

1385
01:10:33,480 --> 01:10:37,600
so people can get out of this
poverty into a place of success?

1386
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,400
It's all or nothing.
And if it's all or nothing, I'm

1387
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,320
going to pick all.
I'm not picking nothing.

1388
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:44,320
Anybody is.
We have to, That's right.

1389
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,560
It's like the people who don't
want to hunt.

1390
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,000
Trust me, if you had to feed
your kids, you'd be shooting

1391
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:50,280
that whatever.
That's right.

1392
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:54,800
So, so, so we make these
arbitrary rules that are

1393
01:10:55,760 --> 01:11:00,280
nonsensical, and then we blame
the people who are taking

1394
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:04,920
advantage of those things
instead of blaming the systems

1395
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:09,120
that are in place that make
people stay in those places of

1396
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:12,240
weakness.
It's just makes no sense.

1397
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,560
OK, There's a podium and there
was a pulpit moment for you.

1398
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,600
No, I love your program.
That's why I asked that

1399
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,240
question.
I want people to understand

1400
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:23,360
there's a difference between
these state and federally funded

1401
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:27,600
programs and what you're doing.
You're funding it yourself and

1402
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,000
you're putting out success
stories because these people

1403
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,280
know there's not a time limit
for them to succeed.

1404
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:36,520
Success is not a time limit.
Everybody succeeds differently

1405
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:38,560
and success is different for
everyone, right?

1406
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:40,000
That's right.
You know one of them.

1407
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:43,360
We have two tag lines.
One is never homeless again and

1408
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:46,960
the other one is success as you
see it.

1409
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:51,120
It's not my place to determine
for someone else what success

1410
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,160
looks like.
And they have their own

1411
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,800
giftings, their own background,
their own life.

1412
01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:03,160
And part of the reason that we
continue to do so much we where

1413
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:06,600
we don't make any headway is we
have these arbitrary rules.

1414
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,040
And then we just see the same
people over and over because we

1415
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:10,800
never really finished with
helping them.

1416
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:16,480
And then they get discouraged
and they feel worthless.

1417
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:20,960
And it's like, come on, you
guys, think about the person,

1418
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:25,280
not the institution.
Let's help the person, the

1419
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,320
institution.
If we do a good job with helping

1420
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,800
the person, the institution will
find a way to maintain.

1421
01:12:30,440 --> 01:12:33,320
Yep, that's it.
Thank you guys.

1422
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:35,560
And girls.
And we always wrap up the show

1423
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,600
like this for Chris.
Hello.

1424
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:38,720
For Chris.
I'm Chris.

1425
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:40,080
He's Mike.
That's Mark Young.

1426
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:44,160
If you're feeling bad, if you're
depressed, if you're suicidal,

1427
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:46,000
reach out to somebody.
Talk to somebody.

1428
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:47,800
Somebody does love you.
Somebody will miss you.

1429
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:50,720
Don't leave a hole in somebody's
heart because you're struggling

1430
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:54,720
with the the day journal
screaming to a pillow.

1431
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:56,240
Go run.
Go workout.

1432
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,160
Do something to clear your mind.
Find some inner peace.

1433
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:00,320
Go to sleep.
Wake up tomorrow.

1434
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:02,120
It's a better day.
You will be missed.

1435
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:04,560
You are loved.
Thanks again for joining the

1436
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,520
smart gun.
You're you're just a superhuman.

1437
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,480
Dude, thank you guys.
So much fun, man.

1438
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,120
That was great.
Anytime you have time and you

1439
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,080
want to come on, you shoot Chris
an e-mail and we'll make time.

1440
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:16,000
That was that was a blast.
All right, man.

1441
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:16,840
Oh yeah.
Yeah.

1442
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:18,600
Thanks fellas.
Thank you buddy.

1443
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:19,880
Peace love you brother.
Peace.

1444
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:20,640
Love you too, man.
All right.

1445
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:36,920
On your journey, this is the
place where you will go.

1446
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:47,640
Feel the trail behind your eyes.
Feel yourself and meet yourself.

1447
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:57,680
Take a moment, look until you
see it.

1448
01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:59,760
Fight the battle and tear your
boss.

1449
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:06,520
We're fight the battle but you
fuck Will who is his baby to

1450
01:14:13,200 --> 01:15:30,570
you?
Come to him, he haven't found

1451
01:15:30,650 --> 01:15:34,810
solids in his sand.
He's fun fighting.

1452
01:15:35,690 --> 01:15:39,290
Wait for the dead or when he's
closer.

1453
01:15:39,290 --> 01:15:42,810
Out and you.
Put in the wind, you ain't no

1454
01:15:42,890 --> 01:15:46,530
creature.
We don't pray and smile and you

1455
01:15:46,650 --> 01:15:49,370
should you quit on the almighty
days.

1456
01:15:50,690 --> 01:15:59,400
You gotta dream who in your life
to keep our soul in every man.

1457
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:04,640
Take the trail behind your eyes.
Feel the soul that we shed now.

1458
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:13,520
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.

1459
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:18,520
Take your moment.
Look at you.

1460
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,160
See you, see you.
You gotta.

1461
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:49,210
You
gotta.

1462
01:16:49,970 --> 01:16:52,410
You gotta.
You gotta.

1463
01:16:52,490 --> 01:16:53,290
You gotta.