#134 - Josh Mack - The Sandbox: Networking for Veterans

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What's up there, boys and girls,
is the Chris and Mike show.

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I'm Chris.
He's Mike.

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And this is Joshua Mack.
Did I say that right, Josh?

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Yeah, you did.
Do you prefer, do you prefer

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Josh or Joshua?
Josh.

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But you know, when I try to do
business things, I think Joshua

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sounds more professional, but
Josh is fine.

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OK, cool.
Right.

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So welcome to the show.
For those of you that are just

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joining in, we are, we are live
on Twitch and YouTube.

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So that's always fun.
And so Josh, we just kind of

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dive into shit, man.
We don't we're kind of really

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informal.
We just have conversations.

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So tell us who you are, what
you're all about, and why you

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wanted to come on our show
that's broadcasting into 22

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countries now.
Hey, congratulations.

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That's an amazing feat.
Thank you.

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Thank you.
Yeah, so my name is Josh Mack.

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I also go by J Mack.
It's also the name of the

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podcast that I started where I
combat veteran and 1st responder

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suicide.
One story, one conversation at a

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time.
A little back story about me.

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I grew up in a small country
town in the South, like 45

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minutes South of Chicago.
But whatever you think it's

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called, Beecher.
OK, I'm in Pontiac.

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Yeah, and, and my hometown's, my
hometown is Pleasant Plains, IL,

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just outside of Springfield.
We had 804 population about 10

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years ago.
OK, yes, I think you beat me.

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I graduated with like 80 kids.
OK, I was only there till I was

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3, but it's still my hometown.
So I don't, I don't, I don't

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know what size of all the things
are.

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I just went back to for my
grandmother's funeral and all of

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a sudden they had a monument,
you know, when you enter the

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town.
Yeah.

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And it was like population,
Henry, before I was like, oh,

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wow.
Huge.

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Metropolis.
Absolutely.

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So continue, J Mack.
Yeah, so I grew up like

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volunteering and helping with my
dad, who is now a retired police

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officer.
OK.

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So I always had that desire to
serve and give back to the

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community.
I decided to join the Marine

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Corps.
Nice. 2013 to 17, non combat,

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didn't see any deployments,
anything like that.

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I went to Oman for about a
month.

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My son, my son, my son's a devil
dog all.

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Right.
Yeah, buddy.

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Absolutely, yeah.
And then so after I got out of

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the Marine Corps, everyone's
like, you're going to get lost

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all this expectations.
And I was like, no, I'm not,

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that's not going to happen to
me.

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And well, it happened to me.
And one day I I see my buddy

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post a meme that said stop doing
the push ups and pick up the

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phone and call your buddy
referencing the 22 a day push up

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challenge.
And then I went to therapy and I

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told my therapist that I had
this idea.

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I pitched it to a former
baseball player but due to

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liability reasons he didn't want
to do it.

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And she tried to convince me to
go live in her office right then

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and there to start the podcast.
Wow.

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I was like, you're crazy, let's
switch chairs real quick.

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But I went home and made the
video like I promised, and that

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began Start at the Gym Mac
podcast.

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Cool.
That's awesome.

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That's I'm I'm.
That is.

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Awesome.
Yeah.

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I don't know how much you've
watched about us and, and the

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show and whatnot, but I'm all
about volunteering.

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I, I was a meal coordinator for
a homeless outreach service for

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over three years.
I got on the board of that, of

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that company.
Unfortunately, I saw some things

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that that I wouldn't shut up
about, so they asked me to

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leave.
I've since gone into the Rotary

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Club in Mesa, which is all about
volunteering.

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We 22, we do 24 different
volunteering things a year.

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I've run my wife and I runner.
So we've every time something

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comes up with the wounded
warriors or 22 too many, we

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we're all about that.
So I mean, obviously military

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family.
So nothing but mad respect for

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what you've, what you've started
based and, and what you've kind

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of explained it's about because
it's, it's, it's a true thing.

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Like our son's kind of
struggling with right now.

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Like you said, when you get out
of the Marine Corps, like you're

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lost.
And so he's, he kind of goes

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back and forth where he's going
to stay, go, stay, go.

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But so now he's kind of in that
mindset that he wants to get out

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at the end of his 8 1/2 years.
And we're kind of, we're focused

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on him make, you know, kind of
get lined up with what you want

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to do afterwards, right?
Because you spend your entire

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life and the brains being told
what to do and then you get out

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and it's like, well, now what?
Because nobody is there to tell

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you what to do.
So I think and I, I couldn't

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serve.
They wouldn't let me in because

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my asthma is too bad.
I tried, I tried everybody but

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the Air Force and they all told
me to go home.

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So you were non combat, my son's
non combat because he was a

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backup shipper, right?
So he got stuck in this box of

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three jobs and the only one that
he could do was the accounting

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supply and logistics is because
he's color deficient.

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So so it's a real thing, right?
When you get out, all of a

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sudden it's like you decompress
a little bit, right?

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And you're kind of like, oh, I'm
free.

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And then what?
Take us down that path.

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So people understand it's it's
it's not that your PTSD, that

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kind of shit, you know,
especially non combat.

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But you, I mean, correct me if
I'm wrong there, but once you

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get out of you kind of have this
like now what?

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Right.
Yeah, absolutely.

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What's best is at least six
months prior to already be

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planning, at least six months
plan prior to getting out, be

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planning, have a plan.
But the real key, I believe, is

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finding your purpose outside of
the Marine Corps.

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Like your purpose inside the
Marine Corps is to serve and do

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what your country's asking of
you, right?

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And then you get out.
And as you stated, we have no

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one telling us what to do.
Everything I ran away from that.

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I wanted out.
The reasons I wanted out of the

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Marine Corps is actually what
made me successful in life and

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all the things that I need, you
know, I need that structure.

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I need that routine.
So make sure he keeps the

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structure of routine.
Get in the gym, get in with

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veteran organizations before you
feel like you need veteran

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organizations.
Nice.

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Did you say you're in Mesa, AZ?
I'm I well, you might as well be

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Mesa Chandler.
I'm in the East Valley, so yeah,

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I'm in.
I'm in surprise.

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Oh, right on.
What up dude?

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Yeah, so I'm going to help you
out one step forward.

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I created this event called The
Sandbox.

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It's a networking event for
veterans and 1st responders that

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focus on providing mental health
resources.

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I do a 30 minute podcast
recording and then I pull up the

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mental health resources that I
brought in and give them up to

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two minutes to give their spiel,
who they are, what they do, how

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they help, and how they can use
help.

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It's once a month so Thursday,
September 25th will be my next

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one.
OK.

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And my whole purpose of that is
to, I'm for veterans and 1st

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responders.
But truthfully, how can I have a

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mental Health Organization?
And just because you don't fit

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the niche, I'm going to tell you
to piss off.

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So I don't, I don't, I don't
believe in that.

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So I'm for everyone.
But we're going to be everything

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we do is led by veterans and 1st
responders.

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That's fantastic, man.
That is very cool.

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I have all kinds of people
walking to my door, man.

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Who's behind me, Mike?
Amazon.

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Amazon again.
So so so the thing in this I'm

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putting this on our Facebook
page right now.

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J Mac So what what is let me get
your name down here.

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Joshua Mac whoops.
Oh, it's being stupid.

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Dasha Mac IE J Mac.
So what's what's the sandbox you

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said it was called?
Yes, Sir, it's a. 2 words, 2

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words or one word?
Sandbox is one word.

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OK, yeah, 'cause I it was major.
So now, now explain that again.

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It's it's a monthly meet up
with.

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It's a yeah.
So I, the words that I've

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calling it right now is a
monthly networking event for

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veterans and 1st responders with
mental health resources and a

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live podcast recording so they
can hear the real raw,

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vulnerable conversations that
need to be had.

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Like everyone struggles.
Yeah.

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And combat and combat or not,
you still struggle from the

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military.
But truthfully, most of our

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struggles start with our
childhood, The beginning, this

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first sandbox we were in that
traumatized.

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As well.
Oh yeah, OK.

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Yeah.
So like it's basically how we

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react today is what we learned
or did not learn as a child

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growing up and then not then you
join the military or whatever

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life experience you go through
and that just compounds on to

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the traumas and all that that
you have.

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So really we just got to go back
and heal our inner child, to

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work through all of our traumas.
That's that's deep, man.

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Absolutely.
I never, I never, I never

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thought of it that way because I
mean, yeah, that's interesting.

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That's a whole, that's a whole
different dynamic on on the

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traumas and the demons that
people have.

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You got to go all the way back
to the childhood and understand

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what you didn't address then and
how you didn't address it.

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Right.
Like respectfully, your son was

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pre positioned to joining the
Marine Corps from a young age

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because whatever he's seen went
through and how he chose to

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handle it it.
We were kind of crazy to join

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the Marine, the military to
begin with and then to go to the

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Marine Corps, right, Right.
Not many people are willing to

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sign up to do that.
No, because that's by far the

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hardest of all four branches.
I don't care what you say, right

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for sure.
You just.

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I mean, because if you're a
Marine, you can leave the Marine

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Corps two days later, decide you
want to go be in the Army, and

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you just walk into the Army.
Like, OK, sign here because

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you're a badass.
Like, nobody does the Crucible

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except the Marines, right?
We had friends that their kids

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went into the military as well.
One went to the Air Force and

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they were fucking calling home
every other day because they

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kept their cell phones.
Like, are you kidding me?

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It's, you know, and then and
then our son had had the, the

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mindset that he was going to be
a drill instructor.

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So in from accounting, supply
and logistics and, and then got

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accepted to the boot camp for
drill instructor.

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So he went through boot camp
twice and then he became the

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drill instructor.
So then he's going through boot

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camp again as as the drill
instructor side of it.

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So talk about insanity, right?
It just, but you know, he's kind

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of driven like that and he's, he
likes to be challenged.

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He's got to have something in
front of him to go after

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otherwise he just gets bored out
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And then, you know, the brain
starts wandering and and he was,

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you know, our, our lifetime
together wasn't anything

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traumatic or you know it.
We were very well grounded

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family had, you know, family
dinners and we, both my wife and

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I were completely involved in
both our kids lives.

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You know, I coached Jake
throughout his, his youth and

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things like that.
So it's not like we were just,

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you know, neglectful parents.
We were super involved.

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So.
I didn't mean that whatsoever.

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No, no, no.
I know he didn't.

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I know he didn't.
Even the best relationships,

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there's still trauma in there.
Sure, because there's no way

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your needs were met 110% of the
time, right?

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And do you if you have multiple
kids, This is something I just

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learned and I'm a dad myself
now, right?

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That your kids are not
experiencing the same parents

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ever, right?
Because of the age gap.

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So you've learned from your
first child moving on to your

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second child, you may be a
little bit more lenient on your

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second child.
Then you wear your first child

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and that causes like hard
feelings, traumas, like you're

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potentially choosing the other
child over the other.

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And that's not right.
As a parent, we're just trying

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to do the best we can with what
we have, right?

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Right.
Becoming a parent has also

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helped mentally.
And it also just has heart hurt

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mentally, right 'cause like it
takes a toll on you.

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It's such a blessing and it's so
stressful all at the same time.

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But you also got to recognize,
looking back at your parents,

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whatever resentment, grudge,
happiness you hold towards them,

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We got to realize that wow,
they, they were just

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experiencing this for their
first time as well.

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You got to be more lenient on
our parents as well.

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Yeah, sometimes.
Yeah, my parents are hassles,

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man.
I haven't talked about them.

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Think.
About how they grew up and what

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they had, I'm not justifying.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I

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get it.
Yeah, I get it.

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That's just.
Well, I think the biggest

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illusion on this planet is
there's a there's such a thing

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as an an adult, right?
We all, we all strove to become

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an adult.
When I grow up, I'm going to do

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this.
It's an illusion.

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Yeah, and you're adults fueled
by your inner child, your inner

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child monologue that's inside
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Your parents are just people
that did the best they could

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with what they had, right?
Absolutely.

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In Chris's case, unfortunately,
his parents didn't have much,

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right?
But I felt like I grew up in

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what people call the nuclear
family, right?

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And even my mom and dad, they're
just people, right?

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They did the best they could.
They admit that.

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I'm not saying anything they
don't admit.

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Luckily, I had parents that
admitted that we did the best we

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could with what we had the
information that we were armed

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with at the time.
You just said it.

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I was the oldest, so I was their
experiment, right?

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The next two, they learned from
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So they got a little better and
they got a little better.

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You hear that the youngest
always got the best treatment.

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Well, of course they did,
because your parents were at

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their at their best at that
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If you had one kid,
unfortunately that kid didn't

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get that experience.
But the older kid in the

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relationship is always going to
feel like they got screwed, and

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the younger kids are always
going to feel like they got

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screwed, just from a different
side, right?

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Yeah, because the younger kids
always going to want to be able

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to do the thing that the older
kids going to be able to do.

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The older kids always going to
want the freedoms and like the

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quote UN quote softness that the
younger sibling is getting.

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It's so crazy.
If you pay attention, each

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sibling, whether you're the
first, middle, or last child,

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they all come with their own
like traumas and like ticks and

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all of that where if you pay
attention and you could start

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noticing the pattern.
Like Sir, I can't give an

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example so I feel like I'm just
talking on my ass, right?

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Now, no, I like what?
I like what you said earlier

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about that each kid has a
different experience from their

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parents.
I've, I've never really heard it

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put into those words, but I've
heard that story told in just

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that way, right?
You, you got 3 kids and a family

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and you'll hear those three kids
tell the same story from a

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completely different angle,
right?

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My mom and dad dressed me in
such horrible clothes.

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Well, the next kid might say my
mom and dad dressed us the best

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they could with what they had,
right?

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We were poor at the time.
That kid understood that, you

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know, at that moment in time,
their family was going through a

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hard a hardship where the other
kid, all they were thinking

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about is they were getting made
fun of at school because they

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weren't going to school with the
latest greatest whatever, right?

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Yeah.
So I like what you said there,

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that no two kids have the same
view of the way they were

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raised.
That's that, that's really

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interesting too, because I, I
want to, I want to form that

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question to my kids and ask
them, you know, hey.

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I do for you too.
That's what I thought of right

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away when he said that.
Ask each one of my kids what

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what's your perception of your
upbringing?

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Because I don't that'll be
that'll be a really interesting

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response because we had we had a
boy and a girl, which is cool.

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So whenever was asshole, you
know, Jake's your favorite.

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Well, you're my favorite
daughter.

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Well, I'm your favorite.
I'm your no, you're my favorite

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son.
She's my favorite daughter.

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So that was the best way around
that.

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I'm the favorite kid.
Well, you're the favorite

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daughter because I didn't really
have a favorite kid.

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And now my daughter has has
blessed us with two grandkids

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that are going to be 6 and the
other ones was just over 2 and a

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half.
And that's kind of a trip

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because your approach and now my
approach now because I have my

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youngest, I have the oldest 1
little man.

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I call him, I've had him every
morning during the week since he

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was 3 weeks old.
But my approach to him is, is,

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is it's so different than what
it was with Sky than what it was

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with Jake.
So much so that my wife will

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tell me that I have blinders on
when it comes to Anthony.

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But at the same time, Anthony
respects me more than he

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respects his own mother and and
my wife and and his his new and

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his dad just for the simple fact
that I've consistently been in

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his life every single day.
So when he needs, you know, that

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stern moment, it's I just I get
that voice and he just.

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He respects you.
You can see it in his eyes even

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in the little clips that you
post online.

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It's like he just, he's like
hanging on your every move.

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Yeah, so, but if that's that's
what that's interesting.

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Man, I never, I never thought of
that.

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I never thought of neither most
of that.

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Jay blew my mind.
This is why we do this dude,

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because we just learn stuff
every single single time.

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It's crazy.
I'm not sure if it's considered

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research or what, but there is a
study out or documentation out

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of two twins that grew up with
an abusive alcoholic father and

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they're trying to figure it out
if it's nature or nurture,

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right.
Both kids, one kid became like,

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we'll say a priest, not doesn't
drink, treats women correctly.

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The other kid isn't a direct
example of his father, what an

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alcoholic, mean, abusive,
whatever.

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And they were asked the same
question, what made you this

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way?
And they gave the same answer.

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Look how I was raised.
Look at my dad.

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Yeah, that just hit me because
I'm a 20 year recovery alcoholic

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and and Jake's not old enough
really to understand he didn't

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remember it because I stopped.
He's 24, so I stopped young

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enough for him not to really
have memories.

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But my daughter who's five years
older, Wow, that just smacked me

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outside the head.
Josh, thanks, man.

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Yeah, well, because she went
down, she went down, she went

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down a path.
This is where I'm going when she

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went down a path, a very dark
path for for several years.

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And so now I can't now that's
just making me think, oh, shit

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was.
So I'm going to ask that

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question because it'll be
interesting to see her response

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because I think Jake's, Jake's
Jake's reaction to her chaos was

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that's why he joined the
military.

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Like he.
We were those parents.

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Once you're done with high
school, you get a job, you go to

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school or you join the military.
There's no, there's no fucking

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around.
There's no sleeping until 10:00.

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There's no, you know, going out
with your friends till 3:00 in

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the morning.
Now you have to have a direction

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in life.
One of these things has to

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happen.
And he didn't like school, He

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just didn't like study.
He's got my brain,

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unfortunately, not my wife's.
He had a couple jobs but didn't

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like them because they were
just, you know, piss Ant server

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jobs and things like that.
Not that that's not a bad

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occupation just for a kid.
It's just, you know, just wasn't

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So he just right.
So he just, he came home one day

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from high school and said, I'm,
I'm, I'm going to the army.

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I'm going to be a diver.
I'm like, whoa, dude, there's

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not divers in the Army.
Who's who's feeding you

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bullshit.
And I had AI had a good friend

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that my wife's actually caught
their kids.

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And then I, they used me to help
them purchase a home.

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So I'm like, hey, we're going to
call Steve, Steve Fishers or not

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Steve Fishers.
Steve Steve West is going to

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come over and he's a Marine.
He's going to talk to you.

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And I knew he would give Jake
the the the just the real raw

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relevance about all four
branches, you know, the ups and

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downs, insurance and outs.
And they sat in the dining room

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for about an hour and a half.
And he hadn't made-up his mind

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yet.
This is kind of a funny story.

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And Steve leaves.
And so Jake and I kind of talk a

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little bit, but I'm like, dude,
you do you.

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I got your back.
Regardless.

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He next day he went to see Toy
Story four with one of his

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buddies from high school.
Came home.

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He's like, I'm join the Marines.
OK.

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How does Toy Story 4 equate to
joining the Marine son?

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I don't know, dad.
I'm just, I'm just going to do

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it.
I'm like, all right, cool.

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You're going to be a bad ass.
So, but that's that's

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interesting.
So yeah, I'm going to I'll tell

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you how that how that answer is
when I asked my daughter that

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question, because that's I've
never asked her about her

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upbringing and her how she
looked at it.

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And I never you never really
asked her what made her turn to

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the dark side or you know, so
that's going to be an

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interesting response that may.
Shake my day fro and don't don't

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put that all on you right like
you ended up setting the right

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example.
You got sure took care of

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yourself right and don't be two
ways.

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Don't be surprised if your
daughter doesn't fully tell you

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the truth and open up because
like.

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I don't know your guys's
relationships.

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I don't know how comfortable
she's going to feel, right?

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Like, yeah, sometimes you want
to keep things from your parents

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still, but also be ready if she
opens up and spills something

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you never thought you were
expecting to hear.

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Be prepared for that.
So don't like, freak out.

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And also, I hate to tell you
about your son, but he was a

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contractual alcoholic unless he
had some strong.

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No, he's no, he's had, no, he's
had he.

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And I don't want to throw him
under the bus.

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I don't want to throw him kids
in the bus, but he's, he's,

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he's, he's a really good kid.
He's very smart.

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But he's made some decisions
that I think he regrets.

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He didn't start drinking till he
got into the Marines.

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And, and I've, I've, and I've
preached, right.

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And I've preached to him and
preached to him and preached to

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him.
You know, so I don't, because I

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don't see him every day.
I can't say whether he's an

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alcoholic, whether he has a
problem.

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You know, there's some stuff in
his and that's happened since

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he's been Marine that kind of
kind of pushes the envelope as

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far as, OK, you have a problem
with drinking.

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You know, he's gone in and out
of cycles of, of being sober.

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I'm going to stop drinking for
this amount of time.

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But because he's, he's not at
arm's length for me, I can't

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really ascertain what his actual
consumption of alcohol and how

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dependent or not dependent he is
on it, if that makes sense.

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But I get what you're saying
because it is in my DNA.

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So both of them have that that,
you know, example per SE.

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And I mean, I wasn't abusive.
I was, I was just I was mentally

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not there emotionally wasn't
there.

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I was kind of an ass.
I'm saying contractually as when

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00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,360
he signed the contract for the
Marine Corps that obligates.

449
00:21:56,360 --> 00:21:58,760
You well, and you just said
something really important too,

450
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:04,240
Chris, that you're nature part
of it, the nurture part of it.

451
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,440
The nature part of it is it is
in his DNA, right?

452
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,320
It was in my DNA.
If if your mother or father is

453
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,280
an addict, your chances of being
an addict scientifically are

454
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:16,640
super high.
It's.

455
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,120
That's just correct.
Yeah.

456
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,280
You know, so I guess what I'm
saying is you people can't beat

457
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,320
themselves up for that part of
it either.

458
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,920
No, you know.
He knew you were an alcoholic,

459
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,080
she knew you were an alcoholic.
So they have some skin in the

460
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,280
game going into it too.
I'm just saying for parents out

461
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:38,760
there who beat themselves up,
it's like 50% of that is out of

462
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,800
your control because it's burned
into your chromosomes.

463
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,880
It's in your DNA, right?
Yeah, and and you know this,

464
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,720
Mike, you'd probably don't know
this Josh, because you don't

465
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:52,040
know my, my story and stuff.
But with, with what our daughter

466
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,280
went down that path of what she
went down, Nikki and I, first

467
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:57,440
thing we said, it's not our
fault.

468
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,280
Like we didn't, we didn't make
these decisions.

469
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,560
Kind of like my approach to
recovery with alcoholic,

470
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,400
everybody's like higher power
work.

471
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,400
And I, I say this all the time.
God didn't make me drink.

472
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,360
I made myself drink.
God didn't make me stop.

473
00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:12,280
I made myself stop.
So we have our own ownership.

474
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,000
It's it's it's this a free
choice, right?

475
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,360
We have that ability to choose
as humans, right or wrong,

476
00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:20,040
whatever it is, we have that
free will.

477
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,560
So both my kids, yeah, they grew
up with an alcoholic father.

478
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,520
Skyler was maybe 10 when by the
time I stopped, Jake was 4 to

479
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,760
5:00-ish.
So Skyler's going to have more

480
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,080
memories than Jake will.
You know, I can remember shit

481
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,440
from back when I was three to
four years old at the trauma

482
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,880
side of life.
So I'm going to, it'll be

483
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,480
interesting to see what he kind
of responds to that question

484
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,680
too, to see if there's some kind
of trauma that he's still

485
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:49,240
processing from that time frame.
You know, it's interesting, man.

486
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,200
It's an interesting approach to
this, Josh.

487
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,400
No question.
And a lot of it is our

488
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,040
subconscious, right?
Like we don't understand the

489
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,000
whys because we don't talk to
ourselves enough.

490
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,280
We don't we don't figure it out,
but we start craving or we want

491
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,960
something or we do something so
we do it.

492
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,000
But it's deep down fueled by our
subconscious, right?

493
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,400
There's been evidence that kids
have trauma from the umbilical

494
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,160
cord being wrapped around their
neck during delivery.

495
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:18,400
So it it it's crazy how far like
trauma is stored in our body and

496
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,240
we have to find ways to release
it right?

497
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:24,680
It takes a stronger man to cry
and talk about his emotions.

498
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,680
Bottles it up and it's just an
angry asshole all the time.

499
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,640
Right, and that's the difference
between this generation and last

500
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,880
right, because the generation
with Mike's parents grew up.

501
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,600
It's like you don't there's
stoic nothing affects me.

502
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:42,160
I'm this, I'm this brick wall
of, of just I'm a man, you know,

503
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,240
there's you don't see me cry,
you don't see me.

504
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,520
There's nothing man.
There's nothing that affects me.

505
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,800
Which is complete bullshit.
Everybody out there that's still

506
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,440
hanging on to that.
If you're that guy, you're

507
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,760
wrong.
Just so you know, that will kill

508
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,640
you.
I do believe there are certain

509
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,200
times where you have to be that
stoic and strong individual.

510
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,080
Of course you do when you're
defending your family or

511
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,280
protecting your family or.
Or just showing up for your

512
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,360
family, right?
Like as much this, this is

513
00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:13,400
something I'm work actively
working on and it's hard, right?

514
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,000
Like I want my wife to be my
person.

515
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,440
I want to be able to tell her
everything and anything that

516
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,680
does not always work out in my
favor because either she doesn't

517
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,840
understand what I'm saying or I
feel a type of way for telling

518
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,240
her now I'm judging how she's
judging me or whatever.

519
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,880
But I was introduced to saying
that you got to be the man in

520
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,160
the arena.
Sometimes when all eyes are on

521
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,400
you, you have to perform.
But once you get back in that

522
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,840
tunnel and nobody's watching,
you need to decompress.

523
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,880
So we need to let it out,
whether you do it by yourself

524
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:47,160
healthily and not picking up a
bottle or smoking or whatever

525
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,760
your poison is, or by going to
the gym, talking to a buddy

526
00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:53,800
there.
There's all sorts of different

527
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,280
ways.
And if you ever feel like you're

528
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,080
alone in a situation where
nobody's ever experienced this,

529
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,320
nobody ever understands, shut
the fuck up and wake up, dude.

530
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,000
We've all been there.
There's somebody going through

531
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,400
something and you just never
know.

532
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:06,960
That's what I love about my
podcast.

533
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,280
It's like mental health focused.
And I try to learn about their

534
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,240
whole life from beginning
sandbox to the end, right?

535
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,120
And to what they're doing now.
And that's because I feel like

536
00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:20,080
people, Chris, look up to Chris,
people look up to Mike.

537
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,280
They're like, oh man, you guys
are such badass.

538
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,000
You handle things in a different
way.

539
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,000
You don't struggle XYZ.
Come on the podcast, you Share

540
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,920
your story about why you
struggle, how you struggle.

541
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,040
That's so important, How you.
Cope.

542
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,880
So we're learning these
different tools and techniques

543
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,640
or we can recognize the
negative, like oh shit, I have

544
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,960
that bad trade as well.
Let me try to work on improving

545
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,920
that and see how the rest of my
life improves and just keep

546
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,320
growing like we learned from
everyone, good or bad.

547
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,000
That's totally something I was.
Just you.

548
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,240
It's funny how things just come
around at the right time.

549
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:54,560
I was just thinking about that
yesterday while I was taking a

550
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,160
shower.
It's like it's important for us

551
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,640
to make sure that people
understand that Chris and I and

552
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,400
Josh struggle every day just
like they do.

553
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,160
And that's why Chris makes a
point at the end of the podcast

554
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,200
to say what he says.
We have bad days just like

555
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,880
everybody else, and we try and
open up about it on the show for

556
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,800
the same reason that you just
said.

557
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,440
It may look like we've tackled
and conquered life and we got it

558
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,400
by the balls and now we're
succeeding.

559
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,800
That's true to an extent, but we
still have to protect our Peace

560
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,200
of Mind.
We still have to take time, like

561
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,440
you said, to decompress, to
process the things that have

562
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,200
gone wrong in our lives and to
handle it in a healthy,

563
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,840
constructive way.
Instead of reaching for the

564
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,560
bottle, instead of reaching for
the pipe, instead of reaching

565
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,400
for the line of cocaine or
whatever.

566
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,200
It's, it's just important that
right there, what he just put

567
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,560
out of it is so important.
Somebody out there loves you.

568
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,280
Somebody cares about you.
Somebody would miss you if

569
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,000
you're not here tomorrow, even
if you don't on your worst day.

570
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,640
You think nobody gives a shit
about me?

571
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,560
Nobody's listening to me.
I've been through this myself.

572
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,600
I felt like the whole world was
against me and no one was for me

573
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,080
and nothing could have been
further from the truth, right?

574
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,120
There was people all around me
that love me.

575
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:13,520
I just couldn't see it, right?
Right.

576
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,560
And.
Like did awareness?

577
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,240
I had a boss used to tell me
awareness is $1,000,000 word and

578
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,480
like after he explained it, it
made sense to me.

579
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,760
But the more that I start to
become aware of things, it makes

580
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,320
sense why it's $1,000,000 word
because.

581
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,400
Us as a society, we've so.
Quick to fall into this victim

582
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,400
mindset and sometimes you don't
even realize you're you're

583
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,640
you're being the victim, right?
But as soon as you're aware

584
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,440
you're being the victim and it
aware that your choices LED you

585
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,360
to where you're at doesn't
matter the other.

586
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,040
OK it's semi matters the other
people's reactions, but it's

587
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,280
your actions and continued
choices that get keep you where

588
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:53,480
you're at.
Right.

589
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,640
So I actively have to wake up or
go to bed every day talking

590
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,520
positive self loving caring
thoughts because before I would

591
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,080
just spiral and think of
everything I hate in my life or

592
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,040
what I'm mad about today and
just me too.

593
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,520
I went through that period.
Too.

594
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,240
Yeah, dude.
So it's a.

595
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,680
Struggle everyday, but it's a
struggle worth fighting for and

596
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,000
that mindset.
That you just said, Josh, is

597
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,600
something that people really
need to take to heart, and I'm

598
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,840
guilty of it as well.
And I still go through these

599
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,040
periods where Chris said it
about his drinking.

600
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,840
God didn't put the drink in his
hand.

601
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,640
God didn't make him stop
drinking.

602
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,560
No one is going to come save
you.

603
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,760
That is such a hard lesson for
people to get over.

604
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,720
You cannot be of help to anyone
else until you help yourself,

605
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,800
right?
I don't like that term.

606
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,480
Pick yourself up by your
bootstraps.

607
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,280
Because everyone is born into a
different situation, right?

608
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,440
If you're born into the ghetto
and getting out of that ghetto

609
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,360
is a lot harder than the guy
sitting up on the hill thinks it

610
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,800
is, right?
But both of those people

611
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,840
everyday have to decide that
they are going to be a positive

612
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:07,520
influence into the world, right?
Josh telling MM you have to be a

613
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,680
more positive person.
Well, that's a true statement,

614
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,120
but just you saying that is not
going to make me a positive

615
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,000
person.
Mike has to do that for himself.

616
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,080
Just like Chris had to quit
drinking, just like Mike had to

617
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,320
quit doing drugs.
Yes, I just think that's such a

618
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,960
huge positive concept that it
gets overlooked all the time.

619
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,520
Free will.
Yeah, perfect.

620
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,560
And the the.
The crazy part is the person

621
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,000
will just say living in Beverly
Hills versus the one living in

622
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,200
the ghetto, they could
potentially have the same

623
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,320
mindset, but they're stuck in
their own forests, their own

624
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,400
weeds that they don't see the
avenues out of 11 Avenue or out

625
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,360
of the other.
That's a brilliant statement.

626
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,600
And that's why the guy in.
Beverly Hills might.

627
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,480
Just be as miserable as the guy
living in the ghetto or vice

628
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,320
versa.
The the guy living in the ghetto

629
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,080
might be super happy, just like
the guy living in Beverly Hills.

630
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,360
I always say life is
perspective, right?

631
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,960
Yeah, it's all and how you're
approaching it from your

632
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,680
mindset?
Absolutely.

633
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,880
And like that's.
All you can get control is

634
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,640
yourself and your mindset.
And the wildest thing that I

635
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,920
have learned is that, like,
we're not our own thoughts.

636
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,480
And that blows my mind because
like, who the fuck's up there

637
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,440
then, you know, if that's not
me, then who is it?

638
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,640
But we just got to accept which
thoughts we want to dwell on,

639
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,600
right?
If you, if you're having a great

640
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,120
day and the negative thought
comes in, yeah, you can either

641
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,480
choose to sit with that negative
thought and spiral and make it a

642
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,560
bad day.
Or you could choose to like,

643
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,800
push that to the side and not
allow yourself to think about

644
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,120
that and force yourself to think
about something happy or

645
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,240
something you're grateful for.
It's supposedly scientifically

646
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:47,240
proven that you cannot be
grateful and depressed about

647
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,240
something at the same time.
So when you're start, when I

648
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,800
start feeling down about
something, I think of the

649
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,600
adverse like the the thing I'm
grateful for.

650
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,800
I try the same thing.
Grateful.

651
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,440
So that way I don't allow myself
to go to the negative.

652
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,960
And some days, dude, I feel like
I'm flat out lying to myself and

653
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,840
I'm just reading a script, you
know, Bart Simpson writing I

654
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,560
will not skate in school again
or whatever on the chalkboard

655
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,880
over and over again.
That's exactly what I'm doing.

656
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,560
I've told Chris before on this.
Show I should get some kind of

657
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,960
fucking award for what I do
every day because I should have

658
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,280
been an actor.
Because it really is an act for

659
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,040
me to go do my job every day.
It's a great job.

660
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,640
I make good money.
That's not like it's there's

661
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,000
people that would die for that
job.

662
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,000
But in my mind, it's just not
what I want to do every day.

663
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,920
It is an act, but I choose to go
make the best of it, right?

664
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,720
So the way I look at life is the
things that I don't want to do.

665
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,880
I just, it's almost like a Zen
moment.

666
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,480
I'm like, this is what I'm doing
for this moment, you know, for

667
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,880
these, this span of hours, this
is my life for right now after

668
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,840
it, I'm going to go do whatever.
But instead of looking at it

669
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,120
like, Oh my God, I got to go to
work and I'm not going to make

670
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,920
it through and it's going to be
the worst day ever.

671
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,720
Well, people do that every day
and it is the worst day ever for

672
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,960
him every day.
And then they look at me and

673
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,800
they say, how come you're always
smiling?

674
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,160
Because I woke up?
Because I'm alive, Because I'm

675
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,400
breathing?
Or do you need any other yes?

676
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,640
Just like they're choosing to
frown, you're choosing to smile.

677
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,440
Thank you.
And one thing I really had to

678
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,840
work on as well is that like,
it's not a bad day.

679
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,160
It's a bad moment.
It's a bad hour.

680
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,800
And forcing myself not to allow
it to be a bad day.

681
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:26,960
I told Chris when I went through
my.

682
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,200
Recovery.
That's how I took life was I

683
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,920
started with 10 seconds at a
time because I was a horrible

684
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,360
addict.
So I went from 10 seconds to 10

685
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,640
minutes to 10 hours to 10 days,
you know, and here we are 18

686
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,280
years later or whatever.
But it started with those micro

687
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,160
micro moments in time.
I called them if I can just make

688
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,080
it through this moment in time,
I'll be OK, right.

689
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,920
That's your awareness.
That's where the. $1,000,000

690
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,960
word comes in aware.
You became aware.

691
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,080
You just have to focus on the
next 10 seconds, the next 10

692
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,960
minutes.
When I was in boot camp, our

693
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:03,080
drill instructors told us to
best thing to do is focus on

694
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,720
making it to the next child.
Don't worry about how far away

695
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,280
graduation seems.
Worry about making it to the

696
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,080
next child, to the next child,
to the next child and then

697
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,960
you'll be at graduation.
That's totally my mindset man.

698
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,320
So when someone thinks they can
out willpower me, I've been

699
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,320
willpowering for 18 years to not
do hard drugs.

700
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,000
So congratulations to both of
you.

701
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,239
Thank you.
Now with with.

702
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,120
You, Josh, I want to circle back
to you a little bit here.

703
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,280
So, so when you came out at the
Marines, how long were you kind

704
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,480
of like just struggling with,
OK, what am I going to do?

705
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,639
Where am I going?
You know what kind of time time

706
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:41,199
transition that take to get you
from from getting out to kind of

707
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,880
finding your your niche and then
moving forward with that.

708
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:48,960
So I got out.
In 2017, and sometimes to this

709
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,639
day, I still feel like I'm
struggling trying to figure it

710
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:56,480
out, right?
The first couple of years almost

711
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,880
are a blur.
I was still drinking at that

712
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:06,200
time, got into a relationship
that was toxic at that time, and

713
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,440
it's just kind of all a blur in
a sense.

714
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,040
So like the first couple of
years I didn't even think I was

715
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,160
struggling.
I didn't think I was lost, I

716
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,120
didn't think anything.
I just thought I was going

717
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:20,200
through life.
And then it took me 3-4 years in

718
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,040
to realize, oh shit, I am kind
of lost.

719
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,120
I still feel that way to this
day, right?

720
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,960
But I'm also trying to grow
something that I don't, I don't

721
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,520
necessarily have a model to, to
mimic to go after, right?

722
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,320
Like, so long, what I'm trying
to do with the sandbox on my

723
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,320
podcast has become this
generation's version of the VFW

724
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:43,360
and Lions Club combined, except
it's going to be focused on

725
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,360
being substance free and
community healing.

726
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,000
I'll never be able to get rid of
those half true war stories.

727
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,760
That's just going to be part of
nature, right?

728
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,600
But I can take the drinking or
the smoking or whatever

729
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,640
substance it is out of the
situation.

730
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,120
And then I like to say us as
veterans have collectively

731
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,040
donned the oxygen mask on the
airplanes, but the mental health

732
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,800
one.
And now we're ready to spread

733
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,080
throughout our community to help
rebuild and regrow.

734
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,960
So eventually we're going to be
doing things for the community

735
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,600
that are all led by veterans,
whether it's a simple pancake

736
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,320
breakfast and the veterans and
1st responders are the ones

737
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,040
serving our community.
Because everything I feel is

738
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,600
dividing us.
That's what is people are trying

739
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,800
to do is keep us divided.
And I'm tired of that.

740
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,560
Like, yeah, why?
Let's just all come together.

741
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,800
Yeah, Agree.
Yeah, I stopped.

742
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,920
Watching the news, dude, 'cause
I just got fed up with

743
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,760
everything.
So negative and just, it's just,

744
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,440
it's depressing and they're not
there's, there's no accuracy to

745
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,440
it anymore.
It's entertainment.

746
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,520
Yeah, and the news.
Is Yeah, yeah.

747
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:43,920
What I've learned is that the
news.

748
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,640
Is like pure propaganda for
whoever owns it and they're only

749
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,440
putting their side out there
with with an added spin to make

750
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,840
it spicier for the TV to make
you want to pay attention.

751
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:57,680
And for me it's just.
Click.

752
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,720
It's clickbait because I again,
I don't watch the news.

753
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:01,520
Like literally, I will not watch
the news.

754
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,120
I probably, I can't say never,
but maybe five times since 2008

755
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,800
I've watched the news.
I mean, that's it.

756
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,400
And I don't go with never but.
The one thing that what would

757
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:16,040
you say changed immediately in
your life by not watching the

758
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,360
news?
If I wasn't depressed, that's

759
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,560
the point I was just going to
make.

760
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,680
If you're one of those people.
That watches that shit every.

761
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,160
Day for Christ's sake, shut it
off for a week right and see how

762
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,040
much your life changes how many
positive stories do you hear on

763
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:36,240
the news in 1/2 hour news cycle
maybe want maybe yeah and see

764
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:37,840
that's.
The whole reason too, why I

765
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,880
started Good News Arizona in two
weeks under cover because

766
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,880
everything was just so negative,
negative, negative.

767
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,800
So I called the buddy up like,
hey, let's go do this.

768
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:50,160
And it it that took on its own
life because people were tuning

769
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,520
in for the sheer fact it was
just Arizona based and

770
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,760
everything was good news.
It was stuff I would just pull

771
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,840
off social media and things.
It was nothing but a positive

772
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,360
and it wasn't even a spin.
It was just like if if I had ran

773
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,800
into you back then, Josh, we
would have talked on good news

774
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,200
Arizona about sandbox like this
is a great outlets.

775
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,120
It's a great it's a it's a great
resource for veterans and 1st

776
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,360
responders to come with like
minded people.

777
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,000
And it could, but that's what it
was about because the news is so

778
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,200
bad.
And coming from somebody who

779
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,720
went to school to be a
journalist, we one of the one of

780
00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:22,080
the things I had to do in
college was time on newscast

781
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,080
from start to finish with a
stopwatch.

782
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:27,800
And every time they had a news
story, you press start.

783
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,320
And when they're done with that
news for you, you press stop and

784
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,320
a 30 minute news show, which now
it's like 32 minutes.

785
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,640
There was 4 minutes or so of
actual concrete news.

786
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:43,360
Everything else was fluff and
and what the hell is the word?

787
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,080
I don't know.
I just my brain lost it.

788
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:50,080
But you know, the the fake shit,
the fella, the fillers, the

789
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,440
fillers and the smoke and
mirrors and kind of like there's

790
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,720
two good songs on an.
Album and the other 8 suck.

791
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:56,440
Yeah, yeah.
And it so.

792
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,640
It was, it was commercials and
rhetoric and conversations

793
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,440
between the anchors, whether you
don't count as news because

794
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,200
you're just reporting, you know,
on the weather.

795
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,680
So it's just you take the
weather out.

796
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,800
Everything else is 4 minutes of
actual hardcore news there.

797
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,480
And here's the other thing real
quick.

798
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:18,240
Can you ever get a point across
in a 3 minute sound bite with

799
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:19,880
four people talking over each
other?

800
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,920
Right.
We've just, I mean.

801
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,680
We're limited on time today a
little bit, but we still blew up

802
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,720
your story to the point where
you could tell it in a way you

803
00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:33,840
wanted to.
You couldn't do that in 3

804
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,760
minutes on CNN.
If Chris and I were talking in

805
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,320
addition to you, you would have
never got your point across.

806
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,280
That's the other thing that
people don't realize is Josh

807
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,480
just said it a second ago.
You're hearing what they want

808
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,320
you to hear from their angle to
sell their advertising.

809
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,400
The one thing I can impress that
I can't impress upon people

810
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:59,600
enough about television is you
are literally watching what they

811
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,320
want you to watch to sell the
advertisement they want to sell.

812
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,880
That's what television is.
Yep, it's not.

813
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,200
About the program, it's about
the.

814
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,760
Advertising for them.
You're looking at it from One

815
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,640
Direction, they're looking at it
from another.

816
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:14,880
Prime example.
I just finished watching.

817
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,200
The Charlie Sheen thing on
Netflix OK was a good final.

818
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,800
Oh, unbelievable.
The final two years he was so

819
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,400
down the dark path of his
addictions doing smoking 7 grams

820
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,920
of crack at a time like it was
crazy.

821
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,880
They made him the highest paid
TV star at 2 million an episode

822
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,560
for 2 1/2 men for the last two
years because they were making

823
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:43,120
150, five, $155,000,000 a year
in revenue from ads and they

824
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,960
kept offering him money.
He kept saying no.

825
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,320
Him and his attorney just kept
saying no, I'm done, I'm done,

826
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,120
I'm done.
And then they threw 2 million at

827
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,040
him.
He's like I, what do you do with

828
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,160
that?
But they could.

829
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,000
They could care.
Less about his, his struggles

830
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,680
and his addictions.
And they say, and it was out

831
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,240
there, they were talking to
Chuck Lorre on the on the on the

832
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:02,880
documentary and he, he's like,
you knew something was going on.

833
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,920
Jon Cryer, you knew something
was going on.

834
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,800
But how do you stop it?
Because he's the meal ticket.

835
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,400
He's the reason that I'm getting
paid.

836
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,880
He's the reason for my
livelihood.

837
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,000
You just all these points,
right.

838
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,120
So all these people around
Charlie Sheen see the train

839
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,440
wreck and John cry even said it.
He's like the world wanted the

840
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:20,640
train wreck.
It was.

841
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,800
It was the first real explosion
of social media.

842
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,320
And Charlie could do nothing
wrong that would deter the world

843
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,160
from watching him.
They liked watching the train

844
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,680
wrecked.
They were like watching the

845
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,480
chaos.
They like, oh, he, he, he put a

846
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,680
he shot such and such, you know,
and she claims it was an

847
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,360
accident, fell off the dresser
and hit her.

848
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,000
You know, he put his knife to
the throat of this chick.

849
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,920
Same time the Tiger Woods does
his shit.

850
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,880
Charlie seems apologizing for
domestic violence.

851
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,920
Everybody embraces Charlie.
Fuck you Tiger.

852
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:55,880
You know it was it was crazy.
I don't know why because it all.

853
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,240
Goes back to what I've said 100
times.

854
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:01,400
Life is perspective, right?
We expect that out of Charlie

855
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,240
Sheen.
We expected more out of Tiger

856
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:05,560
from Tiger Wood.
This is true.

857
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,840
It's the hypocrisy of the whole.
Deal.

858
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:09,560
Yeah, yeah.
But it's.

859
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:10,600
Insane.
It's insane.

860
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,160
What what they and he takes
ownership of everything but it's

861
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,120
insane that everybody knowing
full blown that he was going

862
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,960
through this total chaotic train
wreck.

863
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,440
They paid him 2 million an
episode, $2,000,000 the highest

864
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,400
paid actor ever per episode.
Chris Dunham What?

865
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,960
You know, I love this
conversation, but we got to get

866
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,480
Josh out of here and I want him
to have a chance to plug the

867
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,640
rest of the stuff.
OK?

868
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:34,920
Yeah, plug the rest of your
stuff, man.

869
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,040
OK wait before I even do.
That I've been like trying to

870
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,200
keep this in my brain the whole
time.

871
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,480
For your son Chris, there's a
program called Skill Bridge

872
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,000
where I believe it's up to six
the last six months of his

873
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,400
contract.
He can end up getting a man.

874
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,320
What's it?
He can end up interning at an

875
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,080
organization.
He can learn how to Weld.

876
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,200
He can learn all sorts of
different things.

877
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,320
There's a whole bunch of
different businesses on there

878
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,440
now that he could potentially
get, quote, UN quote, internship

879
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,160
where he'll still get paid
through the Marine Corps, but he

880
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,360
gets to go.
It's like a bridge into the

881
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,200
civilian life.
He doesn't have to do Marine

882
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,120
Corps things anymore.
He goes and does whatever he's

883
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,920
learning for those six months.
OK, yeah, his thing.

884
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,160
He's in, right?
Now he's trying to be a

885
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,240
firefighter, so he's found
something within the fire,

886
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,840
within the Marine Corps that
will help that transition.

887
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,320
So that's cool that that might
be Skill Bridge.

888
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:28,400
But that, that's awesome.
Good for him.

889
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,040
And so we got 90 seconds.
Yeah, OK.

890
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:33,480
Yeah.
Not to interrupt you.

891
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,720
Yeah, yeah, drop your, drop all
your stuff.

892
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:37,840
We got 90 seconds left.
So tell people how to find you.

893
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,760
Tell them how to find your
podcast, tell them how to find

894
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,680
your networking stuff, because
we want to get that out there.

895
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,280
OK, Yeah.
So you can find me on social

896
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:50,840
media by J Mac podcast.
That's JMACH podcast, all

897
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streaming sources the same way
my websites J macpodcast.org The

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Sandbox is J Mac Sandbox on
Instagram.

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Anywhere you find J Mac Podcast,
you're going to find everything

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I do with the sandbox as well.
It's out here in surprise, AZ.

901
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I'm just trying to combat
veteran and 1st responders

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00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,760
suicide, one story, one
conversation at a time while

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reminding everybody they're not
alone.

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We all have our struggles
gentlemen, it's been a pleasure

905
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,480
being on here.
I love it brother.

906
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:20,920
Thank.
You for coming out, please come

907
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,680
back.
So you're going to like, you're

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00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:23,320
going to dig.
This.

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00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,360
You're going to dig this, G Mac,
because this is how we end up

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00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:26,640
every.
This is how we wrap up every

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single show.
It doesn't matter who you are.

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00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:29,720
It doesn't matter how you're
feeling.

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00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:33,400
If you're depressed, if you're
feeling suicidal, somebody's

914
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:34,920
going to miss you, somebody's
going to love you.

915
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,880
Don't leave somebody.
Don't leave a hole in somebody's

916
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,560
heart because you decided not to
wake up tomorrow.

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00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,080
Go run, go journal, go workout,
go scream in a pillow, call

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00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,920
somebody.
Anybody will talk to you whether

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00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,200
you believe it or not, you are
loved.

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00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,080
You will be missed.
So don't make that choice.

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If you need help, text 988.
It's there 24/7.

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00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:53,280
Someone will listen to you if
someone will help you.

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00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,160
And tomorrow is a better day.
So it'll be even better day with

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00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,960
you waking up in it.
So until next time, I'm Chris

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00:44:58,960 --> 00:44:59,840
Dunham.
He's Mike Michaels.

926
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That's J Mac J Mac podcast.
He's doing great things.

927
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,760
By all means, go check him out,
especially first responders,

928
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veterans, because what he's
doing is something that needs to

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be done and appreciate you for
doing that, Josh, and learned a

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lot today.
I'm thanks again brother.

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Yeah.
Pleasure to meet you.

932
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Absolutely.
Absolutely.

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Thank you for your service too,
man.

934
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From my family, military family
of yours.

935
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Hoorah.
Absolutely.

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Thanks for your support and
Chris.

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00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,040
I better see you at the sandbox.
No excuse all.

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Right, gentlemen, thank you so
much.

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We'll talk again.
All right, brother.

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Peace.
Peace.

941
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,280
That's it.
Don't leave yet.

942
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,280
We got to make.
Sure you upload.

943
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:54,200
Your wife long your journey.
This is the place where you will

944
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:59,480
go.
Feel the trail behind your eyes,

945
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:07,200
Feel yourself and need yourself.
Take a moment, look until you

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00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,760
see it.
Watch your bail and see your

947
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,880
boss wears your bail.
But you fuck will.

948
00:46:17,040 --> 00:47:37,710
Who is this baby to your city?
Now you're turning.

949
00:47:39,110 --> 00:47:42,430
Come down here.
You haven't bounced out.

950
00:47:42,430 --> 00:47:47,950
It is in your sand.
It's fun fighting wait for the

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00:47:48,110 --> 00:47:51,150
dead or when it's closer out
here.

952
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:54,990
But in the wind you ain't no
creature.

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00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:58,390
We're playing Smound.
And you should.

954
00:47:58,590 --> 00:48:03,200
You put it on the Almighty.
Got a dream?

955
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:11,000
Who in your life could keep your
soul in every man?

956
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:16,240
Take the trail behind your eyes.
Feel the soul everyone shed now.

957
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:25,160
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.

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00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:44,920
The.