#135 - Ronnie Robson - Legendary Canadian Bassist

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Welcome back to YouTube and
Twitch people.

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Welcome back to YouTube and
Twitch.

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I
had to go a little bit longer

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right now.
Hey boys and girls, it's Chris,

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Chris and Mike show live on
Twitch and YouTube.

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We're here today with Ronnie
Robson.

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Is am I saying that right?
Robson.

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Robson right on.
He's a musician from Canada,

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he's a rock'n'roll star from
Canada A, and he's a touring

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musician and we're excited to
have you on the show, man.

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How are you?
Absolutely.

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Thanks for.
Going on, you know what, guys?

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Thank you for having me.
It's amazing you guys are in

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Arizona.
We are.

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I'm in.
I'm in Arizona.

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Mike, you're.
In Arizona.

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I'm in Illinois, Chris is in
Arizona.

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Illinois.
And you're in Canada, eh?

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What about in Canada?
I just watch.

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I just watch Blues Brothers
movie last night.

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I watched Illinois Nazis.
I watched that about a month

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ago.
My son was in town.

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He's never seen it because he's
a Marine.

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He's like, I want to watch the
Blues Brothers when we get home.

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I'm like, all right.
And so I made my wife suffer

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through that because she's not a
fan.

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No, come on now.
Yeah, no, Blues Brothers are

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great.
They played a lot of good tunes.

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I remember I remember buying the
album briefcase Full of Blues

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when I was a kid and that that
album just rocks.

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Like never mind the soundtrack I
think to the movie, but I think

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the album is much better.
Cool.

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Yeah.
My God, that's awesome.

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So, so so tell 22 countries that
follow us, Ronnie, what you're

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all about.
Bass player mostly.

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That's what I'm known for.
Session and touring.

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Played with a lot of great
people.

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I mean, recorded with a lot of
great people because I'm a

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studio musician, you know, by
trade.

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Worked for the government for 33
years.

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Now retired but busier than
ever.

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Got huge things going on.
What'd you do for the

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government?
I worked for the city of Toronto

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lastly with municipal licensing
and standards would by law for

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Animal Services.
So yeah, it was cool.

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It was, it was great.
Good education, you know, to

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learn how people think and
politicians move.

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Yeah, politicians got to love
that.

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So how long you been playing
music and, and talk about some

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of the some of the folks you
played with and you know, all

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that kind of fun stuff, man.
Let's have a conversation about

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Ronnie's life resume.
Yeah, my resume, Wow, started

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when I was young, learned,
started on classical piano.

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Cool.
Moved to guitar, started playing

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in, you know, local bands and
doing, you know, I want to be a

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rock star thing took up
engineering and and film when I

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was probably in my late teens,
early 20s.

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I left home when I was early
went I'm out of here.

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I'm gone work three jobs and you
know, did the what I wanted to

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do when I wanted to do it with
who I wanted to do with, You

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know, what can I tell you?
I'm somewhat lucky in the in the

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industry.
I've recorded with a lot of

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great people.
I mean, you know, you go to

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ronnierobson.com in the bio and
it has all the names of who I've

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recorded with on different
things.

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You know, with Hollywood
Monsters and Prophecy and

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Holland tur and just a bunch of
great, great musicians.

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And they keep me on my toes and
even more so now because I'm

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slowing down and I get tracks
now and it's like, whoa, I got

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to practice, lay off the cross.
Getting too jittery.

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OK, so so so Ronnie dog Robson,
what's what's the story behind?

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The dog Thinking as a hunting
dog, I was able to find things

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that other people needed.
Like if someone needed a new

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fridge, I would show up to their
house with one.

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I would find spelling mistakes
in their exams.

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I would you know, and, and that
kind of just that was a high

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school thing.
And shortly thereafter, and then

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a friend of mine, I found
something and he said to me,

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would you like a hunting dog?
And we went through the story

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so.
Yeah.

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It came the dog back again, you
know, Plus I'm a dog lover, so

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yeah.
Yeah, but that's how that's how

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that whole thing started.
Was able to find something like

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a hunting dog.
OK, yeah.

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So when you, when you said
ronnierobson.com, that's I

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automatically will go to
people's websites when they drop

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them on the show because I, I,
we do this organically, right?

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So there's no preconceived
conversation.

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We just like to have real
relevant conversations with

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folks.
We're not anything because

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that's boring as fuck.
Yeah.

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So your website's pretty legit.
So you're not, correct me if I'm

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wrong, but but you got the
videography part down, the film

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editing, the mastering, the
vinyl soundtrack work, podcast

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posting, mixing and mastering.
You're doing all of that put.

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That up on your screen so I can
see.

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Oh, they yeah, dude, I'm just,
we're just learning about the

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screen share.
You're do.

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You're doing all of that in your
studio.

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Yeah, well, not so much anymore
because I ripped it down for

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renovation.
But you know, within, you know,

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two weeks to a month, it should
be back up and I should be, you

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know, going on doing about my
business the way I go about my

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business.
OK.

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So yeah, it's it's a lot of fun.
There you go.

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There's a lot of fun.
So there's his, there's his

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website againronnierobson.com.
I'm on the studio side of it

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because I automatically, MM and
I both be musicians, you know,

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And that's how we met each
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Yeah, yeah.
This is this is pretty bad ass.

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So this you kind of covered the
scope of everything for anyone

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looking to do.
To do anything.

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Yeah, right on, dude.
Yeah, that's and you know what?

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I I've got a long, long.
That's really cool, man.

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Well, thank you.
Thank you.

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And if you go to the bio part on
the homepage, it'll show you who

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who I've home, who I've recorded
with.

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Yeah, is that home part bio OK,
Titans of face.

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And there you go.
Steven.

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And there.
And there's the Titans of Bass

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Book.
OK, nice.

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That came as a shock.
Really.

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Yeah, yeah, there's some great
bass players in there and got AI

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got a e-mail message from KJ
Jensen saying, you know, we want

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to add you to this book.
And I thought it was a joke at.

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1st And what an honor, man.
Yeah.

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You see the names Mike?
I can't so read them off for me.

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Geezer Butler, Geezer Butler,
Billy Sheenan, Reverend Jones,

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Nathan E, Rudy Sarzo Phil,
Susan, Leland, Sklar, James

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Lomenzo, Jack Cassidy, Stewart
Ham and over 120 more amazing

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bassist, including Ronnie
Robeson.

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There you go.
That's that's bad.

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Congratulations man, that's an
honor.

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Yeah, but you know what the
thing about it is?

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It's it's it kind of like now
everyone expects like the

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absolute.
Best.

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From me, I kind of get nervous
now when somebody says, hey,

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Ronnie, can you do a bass track
for me, man?

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And I'm like, yeah, OK.
OK.

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So we got everyone to be
legendary now.

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I'm going.
To name drop, I'm going to name

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drop Ronnie's who he's his
resume, his his rock'n'roll

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resume.
This is pretty impressive, let

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me tell you.
Ozzy Osbourne, late.

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Great Ozzy Osbourne.
How was he?

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How was Ozzy in person?
No, it was.

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It was members of, members of or
ex members of.

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OK, gotcha.
So so members of Ozzy Osbourne,

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Black Sabbath, Whitesnake,
Hollywood Monsters, Deep Purple,

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Megadeth, Testament, Quiet Riot,
Blue Öyster Cult, Thin Lizzy,

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The Band, Paul Diano, Mayan,
Alice Cooper, Prophecy,

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Firewind, Ronnie James Dio,
Flood, John Lennon, platinum

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blonde, Hand Over Fist, Sun
Road, Rainbow, Jeff Beck, Jeff

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Beck, Hollander, Metallium,
Danko Jones, Gatto, Heaven and

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Hell, Jethro Tull in the Michael
Schenker Group, just to name a

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few.
Right on, dude.

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I was just listening to UFO
before we got on here.

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Yeah, I noticed that.
So out of all, out of all those,

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out of all those, all those
musicians, Ronnie, what's your

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best story, man?
You know what?

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Wow.
That's a tough question.

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What do you what would be my
best story?

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Yeah, I think a more of a
personal story was Glenn Drover,

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who played with Megadeth.
We used to hang out a lot.

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He didn't live too far away from
me and we're probably about, you

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know, we, we hung out for a
couple years and he said to me,

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he goes, you know, I've never
witnessed you playing a note in

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my life.
Really.

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So I said to him, I said, well,
you know, give me something and

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I'll, I'll play on it.
So we did a Pat Travers tune,

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you know, and he played guitar
and keyboards and stuff on it.

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And his brother Sean, who also
played in Megadeth, he played

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drums.
And it was, it was like a really

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cool situation because it was
really close to home for me.

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It wasn't, it wasn't broad.
It wasn't, you know, an e-mail

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with a file attached.
So that was pretty cool.

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And you know, with Hollywood
Monsters, everything about that

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project was cool.
Yeah.

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Yeah, some great names in there
too, and some.

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Talk to us a little bit about
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Well, Steph Holland and I were
friends on Facebook and we chat

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and he finished something and he
says, I don't know what to do

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next.
And I said, you know what, dude?

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Why don't you do another
Hollywood Monsters album?

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You know, I'll give you a hand
with that.

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So he said, OK, so next thing
you know, we're talking to

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different musicians and you see,
I see that you have it up.

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Started talking, you know, and
old tunes that he had with

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musicians that we redid and and
that was amazing because I got

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to play with Vinny Apathy and
just a bunch of other great

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tell.
People who Vinny Apathy is that

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don't know.
Yeah, I played with Ronnie James

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Dio and Heaven and Hell and
bunch of other bands.

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Great guy too.
Drummer.

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Yeah, fantastic drummer and him
and I just like, I don't, I

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don't know, there's some there's
like and same thing with Sean

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Drover too.
I know what they're going to

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play before they play it.
So as a bass players rhythm

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section, like right, right on
the money with those guys.

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Definitely.
Did Sean take over after Nick

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died?
Yeah, he did.

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I don't know if he was the
drummer immediately after or is

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it before that, but yeah, it
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Sean's a great drummer, Sean.
Absolutely, he's a monster.

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Yeah, now he's in the band
withering scorn with with some

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other dudes and his brother too.
It's hard to stand up to Nick

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Menza, but I think he I think he
does a great.

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Nick was just such a beautiful
human being.

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That was another person when he
got behind a drum kit.

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Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm
hearing.

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He.
Just like I I met him at Guitar

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Center one time, and he could
have.

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He couldn't have been more of a
sweet human being.

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Yeah.
And then I thought about all the

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times I saw him playing with
Megadeth and I'm like, that

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cannot be the same guy.
Oh, you know what?

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He was a monster.
And the thing about it is I seen

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them in Toronto and Maple Leaf
Gardens and it was Megadeth

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opening up for Judas Priest and
they brought him, they brought

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him his drum kit, you know, 2
pieces, bang.

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And he absolutely blew me away.
He was like the most memorable

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was that.
He was like a human metronome

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with feel.
Oh, yeah, no, exactly.

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He was, he just a monster player
and he for me out of those two

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bands.
And I think there was Queen's

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Reich too.
I can't remember.

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I, I got AII.
You know, guys, I forget what I

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walk into a room for these days,
but I he stole the show for me,

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you know, and being a bass
player, you know, like I, I love

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drummers and, you know, drummers
and bass players, they go

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together, of course, and he just
blew my mind and and Sean, Sean

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Drover.
I same thing.

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He was just everything, all the
stuff for Holland turd I've

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done.
I I knew what was coming up when

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I listened to the track first.
They sent it to me without bass

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or they had like a, a bass track
on it just for, you know, what

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they wanted.
I knew what he was going to do

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before he did it.
I love the gamble like that.

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Yeah, yeah.
And it was amazing.

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That's kind.
Of the way our band worked, man,

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there wasn't a lot of talking.
It was more like this podcast.

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It was very organic, you know,
the last thing was almost

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interpreted without words.
Well, yeah, yeah.

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And that's the best way to do
things.

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And I remember so many years of
of playing in bands or recording

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with different drummers and I
would say the drummer, let's get

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in to the rehearsal hall or
let's get into the studio an

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hour or two before.
Let's just work things out

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between us and if it was a live
situation where we're going to

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be, you know, out you.
Can go ahead and say it before

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the guitar player and singer
come in and.

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Ruin.
Well, yeah, or the keyboard

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player.
I mean, we had our stuff, you

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know, down and, and younger
musicians will say to me,

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younger bass players or drummers
will say, you know what, what

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would you recommend us do?
And I said get in a room

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together, just you guys, and
just play.

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Bang it out.
And you know what?

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Not only that is all of a sudden
song ideas come together.

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You're you're, you're working on
Segways to different songs

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instead of, you know, starting a
song, stopping and going into

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another song, waiting for the
applause.

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Forget that crap.
Do a Segway.

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Let's go into something else.
So.

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You know, another piece of
advice I have since we're living

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in this time now is go find as
many pieces of video of your

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musical heroes that you can
find, like in practice in the

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studio.
Like there's a famous clip out

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there that got released maybe 10
years ago of Eddie Van Halen

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sitting in 5150 studios in the
mid 80s playing the Rift to

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Amsterdam, which didn't come out
for like 14 more years.

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Right?
He's sitting there working it

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out 14 years before he released
it.

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Yeah, yeah.
And it didn't sound, it sounded

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like the song, but it didn't
sound great.

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And it as a musician, it's like,
OK, Hugh, you know, there's

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times when he sucks too.
You know, I guess that's what

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I'm saying is what you're seeing
in that snippet of a concert is

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a microcosm of thousands of
hours of painstaking locking

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yourself in a room by yourself,
making it perfect.

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You know, like you said, go in
there and bang it out, come up

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with the ideas.
Go in there and suck.

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Yeah, Oh yeah, I went in and
sucked of of a couple of 100

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times at least, you know.
But The thing is, is what you're

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doing is you're working it,
working it out and and drummers

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and bass players.
I wanted to be a drummer so bad.

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Did you?
I can't.

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Oh, yeah.
I just couldn't make all four

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limbs do something independently
of each other.

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I tried too hard.
Well, I'm not bad.

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I'm not bad.
I'm not good by any means.

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I'm not bad.
I just got a new new drum kit

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for the for the studio when it's
back up.

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I'm running six piece Mapex kit
electronic symbols.

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Sound of those?
Yeah, but it's, it's, I got to

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do drum triggers with Superior
Drummer 3 and EZ Drummer,

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whatever I have now, three I
think.

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And this way I get to control
rooms, I get controlled, you

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know, drums, mics, everything.
Yeah.

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So those of you who are
listening who we're talking way

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over their head, triggers are
little electronic devices that

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you put on the drum and then he
has a program.

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No matter what that drum sounds
like in the room, Ronnie can

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make it sound like whatever he
wants to through his speakers or

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his headphones.
Yeah, or the drummer wants to.

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I can control different rooms,
you know, ambience of different

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rooms.
And it's funny because I talked

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to a lot of drummers like how
are you recording these days?

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And this is like 3-4 years ago.
And they're saying, no, I'm

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using triggers with, with this
software in my studio and it's

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home.
So now what I'm going to do is

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I'm going to open up for other
drummers to come into my house

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and offer them this.
You know what, what I can offer,

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you know what I'm doing so.
So if you don't have like an

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Abbey Road studio drum room,
now, you can at least get as

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close as possible of having that
drum kit sound like the drummer

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wanted to.
Exactly.

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And the thing about it is for
many years, being a part time

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engineer, you know, I've had
drummers coming in with, you

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know, with drums untuned, they
haven't changed their heads in

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four years.
And it was, it was a crap show,

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you know, and now I can control
everything.

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So even even the symbols, you
know, electronic symbols, I'm

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waiting, they're on back order.
They, they have a, a feel like a

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regular symbol.
So that's why they're on back

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order because they've changed
things around the company.

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So I've got five of those
coming.

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So it's one of these things
where it's, you know, even for

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me to sit behind a, a drum kit,
if I have a song idea that's

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going to go out, I can play it
now.

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It's not going to be perfect,
but you know, give me some time.

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You know, I have a drum kit
downstairs.

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That's cool.
Man, that's awesome.

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And if you haven't noticed, Mike
loves talking to musicians.

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That's why I'm just kind of
sitting here and enjoying the

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show.
Just saying.

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It's OK.
I'm just a singer, man.

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I just write the lyrics and come
up the melodies.

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Say here you go, Mike.
In his defense though, man, I'll

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tell you what, this is the kind
of Chris always he I don't want.

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I want to say this in the nicest
way possible, right?

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Yeah.
He isn't a musician and he

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admits that he's a songwriter.
He writes great melodies, but

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this fucker showed up at his
first practice with literally a

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suitcase, a book bag full of
lyrics.

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See.
That's good.

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That's good.
I.

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Already knew he could sing
because he sang behind me at a

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candle box concert for the
entire show.

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So when he showed up with all
this shit, I looked at my

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drummer and I said this is our
guy because I've already heard

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him sing and he's got like 500
songs already so.

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Yeah, yeah.
Well, it's it's funny because.

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I only showed up with APA.
Yeah.

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You showed up with APA?
Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.
Holy smokes you didn't just come

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in with your mic like this.
No, no, he.

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Literally said he's like I still
have the book.

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Oh, they.
Still have the I still have the

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lyric bag and that's this is not
even this.

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This isn't even half of them.
This is just what was used.

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Holy smokes.
Holy cow.

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Well, it's funny because to me,
someone who writes a good

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melody, good lyrics, is
important to me as well.

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Like it's important to the band.
It's important that to

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everything, but what I'd love to
do is this as a a session bass

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player is I will record my stuff
in parts, right?

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The verses, choruses, pre
chorus, whatever the case may

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be.
But when the vocals come in, you

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know, when I get the track back
with it now it's got a vocal

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track on it.
I'll, I'll sit there and listen

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to melody, say what can I come
up with, you know, to enhance

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that melody or same thing with a
guitar solo.

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What can I do to enhance that
guitar solo?

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So I like coming in first, but I
also like coming in last.

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What's that famous quote from?
I think it's Sting.

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It's not a chord until the bass
player decides what note he's

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going to play.
Yeah, right.

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Which is a, it's a true
statement.

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And after I heard that
statement, I went back and I

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listened to our own
compositions.

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And you're right, man, it's so
crazy how when the bass player

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takes off from the melody and
decides that he's going to do a

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third or a fifth underneath it,
how cool that makes the dynamic

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of the song shift.
Our bass player used to do that

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all the time too.
Yeah, yeah.

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We, we wrote a lot of our songs
before we hired, before we found

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a bass player.
It was a hire.

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Sorry, William, before we found
him and the dynamic, the the

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little subtle changes in songs
that we already had established

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as guitar, drummer, singer, when
when William came in and laid

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down, I was like, wait, what?
It just it adds.

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It adds, it makes.
I always called it making a

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making a fatter sound like you
wanted you.

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Yeah, we were those.
We were that band that we didn't

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want to do anything in the
studio that we couldn't do live.

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So everything we practice, we
pulled off live.

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And then everything evolved from
there.

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But when, when he came in and,
and started throwing bass lines

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to it because it was nothing
like the bass lines that were

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down on the song, on the music
that Mike and Scott had

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originally written before I came
in and then added my twist.

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And then William came in out of
his twist.

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It, it evolved some songs and
took him to a whole new level.

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I thought, and I, I, Mike and I
have talked about this forever,

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that bass players have such a an
important impact on a band.

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They do.
People don't realize it.

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People just think you're just in
there.

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But there's so much more than
that.

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Here's.
The three examples I always give

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I I agree with everything he
said in spades.

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My 2 examples are the saddest
thing about the bass is as a

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band, you don't really recognize
that it's not there till it's

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not there, right?
Right.

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Something's meant.
Like Chris said, something's

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missing.
Yeah, Yep.

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The other thing that I'll point
out to people is if you're at a

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concert and the rest of the band
stops playing, other than the

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bass player and the drummer,
what happens instantly?

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The crowd.
You know what?

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Crazy up, The audience is still
dancing.

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There's no they got, they go
crazy, but they don't realize

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that that's what's been moving
them the entire show.

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All of a sudden now they're
feeling that rhythm, right?

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Yeah.
Because the bass is more felt

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than heard anyway.
It's a healing frequency.

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A lot of people don't realize
that either.

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Is that no?
It is.

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What is it?
To 300 or 100 to 600 Hertz.

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They're very healing
frequencies.

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No, exactly.
And you know what's funny?

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I, I, I'm, you know, I don't
want to get into a huge story

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about this, but I met a drummer.
I was travelling to Cuba a

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couple of years ago.
Were you a political refugee

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from Cuba?
Yeah.

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Did you walk right into that,
man?

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Do you know what I'm saying?
I suppose Coming out of my ears,

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man.
Sorry, sorry.

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I'm in a Toronto airport.
He walks up to me and he goes,

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this is all we're all the rock
stars hang out, we're in the

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lounge, right?
So end up I know who he was and

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he knew who I was, but we have
never met.

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We know you know 1000 people,
but we've we've never met.

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But great drummer.
He's played with a lot of great

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Canadian bands and we ended up
at the same resort.

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He was there for a week and I
was there for two.

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And Long story short, because I,
I don't want to give too much

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information away, but in, in
talking about this, it was

449
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,000
decided that we are going to
start a new band together.

450
00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:09,400
And I said to him, I said, you
know, there's going to be a a

451
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,600
lot of times, a lot of Segways
going in and out where I just

452
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:18,280
want you and I to play together
to, you know, we get into jams

453
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,760
together, not so much like, you
know, Chad Smith and Flea, but

454
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:26,000
we'll get it down to a groove.
And we'll you know, and he loved

455
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:31,840
that idea.
So the press release is going to

456
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,280
be probably in a couple weeks to
a month.

457
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,160
I don't want to give too much
away, but he but and bringing it

458
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,560
back, he agreed to it and I
can't wait to do it because he's

459
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,920
a phenomenal drummer.
And when you release this,

460
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,840
you're going to come back on and
talk about it, right?

461
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,160
Come back on the show.
Yeah.

462
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,720
Oh yeah.
Because it's huge.

463
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,040
And what it was was it was a
follow up conversation we had

464
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:58,160
when we got back.
And I said, you know, if we were

465
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:03,760
smart, like a lot of these
classic, classic Canadian bands,

466
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,320
they have the same agent they
have, you know, it's going

467
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,800
around, they, they do a tour,
you know, there's like 2-3

468
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,440
agents that that all work
together and that's it, you

469
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,080
know, big agents, right?
That's it.

470
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,640
So Canada.
Just there's that's you gotta.

471
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,360
Remember, Canada's only got
like. 30 why I know, but but but

472
00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:23,720
the music scene, the mute, the
Canadian import from a music

473
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,760
standpoint is pretty phenomenal,
right?

474
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,440
Absolutely.
I mean, I can think of five

475
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,880
musicians off top my head right
now that broke the charts in

476
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:30,920
America.
Oh yeah.

477
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,240
So that's yeah, yeah, that.
That blows my mind there's only

478
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,400
two or three agents there.
Well, there's like 3 big agents

479
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,080
like the the biggest.
So a lot of these bands you

480
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,320
know, rotate with throughout the
agencies and away they go.

481
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,360
So I was talking to my buddy
Barry and I'll mention his name

482
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:51,720
Barry Connors.
He played with like Lee Erin and

483
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,600
Coneyach and you know, a bunch
of bands.

484
00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:00,640
And so it was, it was one of
these things, well, if you're

485
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,840
not touring in on this tour for
this, these festivals or that

486
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,000
tour, you know, what are you
doing?

487
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,560
He goes, you know, we're doing
this, we do this.

488
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,320
And I said, well, why don't we,
Why don't you get into a band

489
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,080
that rotates like you bring in
other musicians.

490
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,760
So the only thing that I can say
about this is no matter what

491
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:24,600
Canadian band you love, there
will likely be a member that

492
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,640
will be in this band.
So we're gonna have a lot of

493
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,840
guest musicians coming in from a
lot of great so.

494
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,120
Right away I'm thinking rush,
I'm thinking triumph.

495
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,280
I mean the two.
You know, the one that I love

496
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,480
growing up?
Who?

497
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,040
Well, no thinking.
And those are two I I love

498
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,040
triumph and I love Rush.
Yeah.

499
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,000
Talk to me about The Tragically
Hip, Ronnie.

500
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Please.

501
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,680
Gotta love The Tragically Hip,
yeah?

502
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,600
Now I am one of the few
Americans that latched onto The

503
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,720
Tragically Hip and they have
been one of my number one.

504
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:58,440
That is the coolest band name in
the history of the world and you

505
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,320
have to see these guys to
appreciate it because their name

506
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,840
fit them so much.
They should not have been.

507
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,400
They should not have been that
cool.

508
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:13,400
They don't look that cool, but
collectively they wrote some of

509
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,360
the greatest music I've ever
heard, man.

510
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,200
Yeah, I I've always enjoyed
them.

511
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,240
And I remember, you know, back
to Maple Leaf Gardens now, now

512
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,160
closing Toronto.
I got put on the guest list to

513
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:31,240
for one of their shows and I
remember I was at, you know, on

514
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:36,680
stage stage right.
And guitar player drops.

515
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,000
I can't remember his name for
life.

516
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:38,680
Me.
Sorry, guys.

517
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,400
Dropped a beer bottle and
bounced and I caught it and put

518
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,160
it on the floor right.
On.

519
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,320
You know, and a bunch of people
were like, you know, it was the

520
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,760
opening number and, and this
girl said to me, she goes.

521
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,560
I have that beer bottle.
And I went, yeah, hold on.

522
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,680
Don't, don't let security see,
you know.

523
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:06,200
So I think it was, you know,
four or five songs into it, I

524
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,440
kind of walked overhanded to the
beer bottles.

525
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,360
So it was cool, but it was
great.

526
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,920
It was a great show.
And it was great to see them

527
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,520
that close.
Yeah.

528
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,120
And, and people, Leaf Gardens
was a great venue.

529
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,600
It was.
I never got to see them live and

530
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:24,000
it made me so sad.
I, I bawled like a baby watching

531
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,360
that Netflix documentary.
Man, just they were such

532
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,240
beautiful human beings that had
so much fun.

533
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,560
You know, everybody always talks
about how nice Canadian people

534
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:34,880
are.
And I've always had that

535
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,600
experience living in Arizona for
20 years.

536
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,680
I met a lot of Canadian people
because you guys like the winter

537
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:46,160
down there and I never met and
never met a bad Canadian.

538
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,240
So watching that, it just proved
to me what kind of brotherhood

539
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,040
that was.
Then watching the Nickelback

540
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,600
documentary, Same kind of
brotherhood, like Chris said,

541
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,360
Triumph.
Rick Emmett said he's not

542
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,200
mentioned as one of the greatest
guitar players to ever grace the

543
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,080
instrument.
He should.

544
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,560
Be wasn't greatest.
Yeah.

545
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,800
And it's it's funny to just see
the the Triumph thing they

546
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:18,080
didn't in I think it was
Calgary, AB for NHL, for hockey,

547
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,520
you know, it was.
And they had Phil X come in X

548
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,760
Bon Jovi.
They had dude, what's the name

549
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,360
took?
He plays with slash.

550
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,680
I should know him.
He's like, yeah.

551
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:34,800
God.
Who else?

552
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,120
But they had a few in that band
and they absolutely rocked it.

553
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,560
And I don't think I've ever seen
Rick Emmett smile that much.

554
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,960
You know, for they did an
amazing job.

555
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,520
Absolutely, absolutely.
Sorry I'm bad with names guys.

556
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,840
No, you're good.
You're a musician, man.

557
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,440
You know this part for the
course brother.

558
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,240
So why we're why we're on the on
the cusp of Canada.

559
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,120
I want to know from your, from
your vantage point, what is the

560
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,720
biggest Canadian export music
wise to America that you think

561
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,040
has ever come out of Canada?
Wow.

562
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:12,320
I know, right?
You're.

563
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,240
Welcome.
That's tough.

564
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:18,560
I mean, you know what you got?
You got Rush, you got Céline

565
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,040
Dion.
Bryan Adams.

566
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,960
Oh, I forgot about.
Her Bryan Adams.

567
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,360
Yeah, Bryan Adams.
But guess who?

568
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:29,040
Oh yeah.
I love, you know, Michael Bublé.

569
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:30,920
Yeah.
Oh, no shit.

570
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,840
Yeah, OK.
Who?

571
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,680
Else yeah, I just, yeah, yeah.
Alana Moore, Alanis Morris, that

572
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,400
came out.
Lanis Morris, that was huge.

573
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:37,960
Yeah.
Nickel.

574
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,560
Nickelback.
Yeah, Nickelback was big, you

575
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,560
know, and there's, there's a lot
of, I mean, you know what, April

576
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,000
Wine didn't do too bad.
I loved April wine.

577
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,040
Me too.
I did not know that.

578
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,880
I didn't know April Wine didn't
do that.

579
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:57,600
They just, they just threw a
tour in United States as well.

580
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,240
I guess, I guess, I guess that
question would have been better,

581
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,120
more So what are the what are
the the exports from Canadian

582
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,520
music that we wouldn't have
thought of because I April wine,

583
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,160
I love April wine.
I I have their greatest hits on

584
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,120
my playlist.
Dude, I have no idea.

585
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,280
No idea.
You can't get I like to rock

586
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,680
loud enough, I don't care who.
You are.

587
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,960
I know what a night, what a
night is great.

588
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,720
With a night.
Like it's a roller.

589
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,280
Like they had, yeah, a bunch of
great hits.

590
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,720
And they're still going strong,
too.

591
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,080
I seen them not too far away
from home.

592
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:41,160
I saw them with headpins.
There was April wine and then

593
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:46,120
there was Randy Bachmann.
Oh yeah, and Randy Bachmann from

594
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,440
BTO was absolutely fantastic.
The band rocked.

595
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,520
Now was all of BTO Canadian.
Yeah.

596
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,400
OK, really.
Yeah, there's another one.

597
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,520
I think he's answered his own
question because we're talking

598
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,520
to Ronnie Robeson, who was named
as one of the 100 most

599
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,680
influential bass players, right
along with Billy Sheenan and

600
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,800
Geezer Butler.
And right, So I think we're

601
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,840
answering our own question.
I still got a laugh at that

602
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,080
though.
That's all I mean.

603
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,040
Like huge names.
I do though, dude, that just

604
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,840
shows your body of work is
something that people admire and

605
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,520
they hold you to to a high
standard, which I mean, that's

606
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,800
regardless if it hit you from
left field or not.

607
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,560
That's I mean you.
Obviously you're proud of that,

608
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:25,760
but sure, I can give.
I could.

609
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,200
I could see how you'd be like in
shock and awe with some of those

610
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,440
names, but fuck, did you?
You're you.

611
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,320
You're Ronnie Robson, man.
Own it.

612
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,000
Oh, thanks man.
Thanks guys.

613
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,640
Because, you know, like I, I
just do what I do and you know,

614
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,920
I, I love what I do.
I want to do 1 hell of a lot

615
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,800
more.
And now I'm loving the

616
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,600
possibility of doing it outside
my, my home that I can, you know

617
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,480
what I mean?
That I can play festivals.

618
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,880
I'm not playing, you know, a bar
with 100 and 150 people there.

619
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,240
It's going to be bigger venues
and you know, like festivals and

620
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,000
tour support.
So I'm looking forward to that

621
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,239
as well.
Yeah, that's awesome, man.

622
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,679
Yep.
I don't be nervous about it, you

623
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:17,480
know, at first.
But I was always a good

624
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,000
performer back back in the day.
People always come up to me and

625
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,639
go, Oh my God, I love watching
you.

626
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,000
You're just in your own space.
I'd had vocalists there and

627
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,320
other guitar players would not
come near me on stage because

628
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,040
they didn't know what was going
to happen next.

629
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,760
Because once you get in the
zone, you're in the zone.

630
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,960
I always looked at that as my
playground man.

631
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,159
You know, I had an adrenaline
dump before I would get up there

632
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:43,600
where my leg would start shaking
and I just, I wanted to hit that

633
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,440
first chord.
You know, It's like once we

634
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,639
start playing, like you said,
then all the sudden the

635
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:51,760
subconscious takes over and
you're just doing your thing.

636
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,320
You know, we would all become
different people for however

637
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,200
long we were up there.
Oh yeah.

638
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,120
And with this new band and the,
you know, the talent coming in

639
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:09,280
that we've, we've spoken to so
far, you know, I know it's in my

640
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,520
own zone, but I'm going to be
looking at them on stage too and

641
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,240
smiling, you know, because I'm
on stage with them.

642
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,960
So this is coming out.
This is coming out in October.

643
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,280
Yeah, this.
You know what, hopefully before,

644
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,680
but I mean, we're still in the
planning stages.

645
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:29,040
We're still, we're still talking
to various musicians about it,

646
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,720
about the idea.
And a lot have said, yeah, we're

647
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:37,920
in, this is going to be good.
So we're going.

648
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,800
To chat, we're going to we're
going to, we're going to chat.

649
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,920
I got to connect with a label in
New York who's who's trying to

650
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,360
hook us up with a bunch of
musicians.

651
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,400
But I have I have some dates in
November.

652
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,640
So I'm going to talk with Bruce
and I'll circle back to you and

653
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,640
see what what, what Fridays we
can get you back on because I

654
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,680
want to hear.
I want you back on after that's

655
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,000
released because I want to.
I want to know who's playing

656
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,080
with you, man.
Absolutely.

657
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,880
Me too.
You've tickled my interest.

658
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,120
Me too.
Well, I'm tickled pink about it

659
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,000
this.
Sounds like a dude.

660
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,600
This is good.
You're lighting up when you talk

661
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,160
about it, dude.
Your face is like woo.

662
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,080
Like, that's cool.
Dude, you know it.

663
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,080
It's, it's really good.
And Barry and I, we're, we're

664
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,920
taking our time with it for the
right reason.

665
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:22,120
Which, yeah, you have to, yeah,
I think anyway, the rush is.

666
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,280
The rush is, unless the muse is
talking to you at a high level,

667
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:31,440
I think rushing through the the
product of creating music has a

668
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,600
disservice because you have a
lot of bands, right, that'll

669
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,560
just hit it out of the park with
their debut record, right?

670
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,040
Just see you later.
Bye.

671
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,600
And then they're followed.
Because they spent their whole

672
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,720
life right in the first record.
And then right, and then they're

673
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:50,440
follows like, you know, so I
think it I think it's it's worth

674
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,240
it to take your time and baby
step that shit and and oversee

675
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:56,800
every aspect of the song just
because you want to live up to

676
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,320
that expectation you set for
yourself.

677
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,280
And when you're putting some and
when you're putting something

678
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,840
together, like it sounds with
the people that it sounds like

679
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,880
you're going to have in that,
it's got to be just amazing.

680
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:08,960
So you.
Have to just.

681
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,880
Fine tune that shit right?
Yeah, and it's amazing because

682
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,840
what we're going to do, you
know, we're going to have our

683
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:20,160
our covers that we're covering,
but whoever you know, the one or

684
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,240
two guitar players, we're going
to cover some of their tunes as

685
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:27,600
well.
So it's it's going to be like

686
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:34,480
ongoing with us, you know, songs
that we learn, songs that we we

687
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,320
like redevelop together.
So it's it's, you know, I'm

688
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,680
really looking forward to it.
It's as I said, I smile and I

689
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,360
smile every morning I get up.
I know that just around the

690
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:47,720
corner it's going to be.
Huge.

691
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,000
I got a question for you of
things that you can talk about.

692
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,320
You said you're mostly a session
musician by trade.

693
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,640
What are some of the projects
that you're most proud of that

694
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,000
you've worked on session work
for other people?

695
00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:10,840
There's a few film projects that
I did quietly.

696
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,400
For some reason I had to use
another name.

697
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,360
Really.
Yeah, and that that was cool

698
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,880
because people that know that no
and it it got out as me and I

699
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:29,680
always deny it, but I think with
with music, it's Oh no, no, it

700
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,560
is still going on now.
Oh, you can't do this, but can

701
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:37,800
you do a piano track for this?
You know, I sent, I get sent

702
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,560
stuff that's locked.
Edit that's locked.

703
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,120
And Ronnie, we need something in
between here and here, you know?

704
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,720
OK, but so?
You're so you're well known in

705
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:51,600
the, in that industry itself as
somebody that's kind of going to

706
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,000
hey, fix this or fill, fill this
space.

707
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,240
Or that's really cool, man, I
didn't.

708
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,920
Realize we were talking to such
a legend today.

709
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:02,800
Well, not a legend, but you
know, it's it's just one of

710
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,640
these things that I do and I
like helping out the not so

711
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,240
famous people too.
You know I'll.

712
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,240
Interrupt you, but don't put
yourself down.

713
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:13,320
I agree with Chris.
You've done the work.

714
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,960
And something that Slash said
one time that really stuck with

715
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,720
me was if he had been the first
guitar player in Guns and Roses,

716
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:23,640
he probably wouldn't be who he
is today, he said.

717
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,520
I was literally trying to do
what I love to do without

718
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,560
getting fired, killed or go
broke, right?

719
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,160
He just wanted to stay in the
band.

720
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,200
That's what made him a legend.
Yeah, other, other.

721
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,760
People are telling you that your
work is so up to par that you're

722
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,880
a sought after musician.
You're not telling us that other

723
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,320
people are telling you that.
So own that shit man.

724
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,960
Yeah, yeah.
I'll try, but you know what

725
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,520
answer.
You know, definition of humility

726
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,880
right there, boys and.
Girls, just I'm thinking, did I

727
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,880
marinate my chicken thighs?
You know what I mean?

728
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,640
Yeah.
Yeah, but no.

729
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,400
But the humility is cool though,
man.

730
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,400
It's cool that you're so humbled
by it and don't, MM kind of just

731
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,640
summarized what I was thinking,
and it's true.

732
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,640
I mean, if you're sought after,
your people are sending you

733
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,560
things.
That's that's legit, man.

734
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,200
You've made your mark.
That's your life resume.

735
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,160
That's really cool, dude.
That's why that's why it's cool

736
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,400
to have you on the show.
You know, you're not, you're not

737
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,480
just a bass player.
I mean, your website showed that

738
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,040
you weren't just a bass player.
I mean, all the, all the other

739
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,720
aspects that you can do in boys
and girls.

740
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:29,040
Again, rodneyrobeson.com, if
you're interested, go take a

741
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,800
look.
It's it's phenomenal.

742
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,520
Yeah, thanks.
Thanks guys.

743
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,800
But you know what, one of the
things that I was proud of which

744
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,720
which I hope that that there
would be another album or two or

745
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:42,120
three or four was Hollywood
Monsters.

746
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:46,480
I I love that whole that whole
vibe and and dealing with

747
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:51,280
musicians and and a lot of
people who that I talked to

748
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,240
about playing on the album said
no, but the next one I will.

749
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,720
That was cool you.
Know So explain.

750
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,000
Explain to people they don't
know.

751
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,240
What's the concept behind
Hollywood Monsters?

752
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:07,080
Hollywood Monsters was Steph
Honda project when he was, He's

753
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,640
from Marseille, France and he
was living in Los Angeles at the

754
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,360
time and got together with a
bunch of great musicians and

755
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,800
they did 2 albums.
So it was all guest

756
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:23,680
performances, covers a lot of
his original material and it was

757
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,160
amazing.
Like I listen to the first

758
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,200
couple of albums, I thought, you
know, this is great and the the

759
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,960
amazing artists on that,
musicians on that was great.

760
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,240
Steph, how did you do that?
You know, we got into

761
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:41,280
conversations about it, but it
was that one, that one, you

762
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,440
know, message back and forth in
the morning.

763
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,200
He's six hours ahead, right?
So I could wake up usually 5:00

764
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,560
in the morning.
I get a text from and I said, do

765
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,080
another Hollywood Monsters
album.

766
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,000
Like, you don't know what to do,
do it, I'll help you.

767
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,440
So it was one of those things.
And I he brought in people and I

768
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,800
brought in people and, and it
was great.

769
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,760
So, yeah, but it was one of
these things where it's like,

770
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,720
OK, it was never ventured again
then.

771
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:11,600
Fantastic.
So with Barry Connors, with this

772
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,680
new band idea, I'm putting
together something like that for

773
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,760
live performances.
Same but different.

774
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,880
And we'll be recording together
too.

775
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:27,080
And we're filming our whole our
whole venture together.

776
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,640
So we're going to keep the
cameras rolling.

777
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,960
We're going to do everything we
want to do.

778
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:38,560
Nothing gets released without
somebody saying yeah or nay, and

779
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,680
then we do a full length
documentary after.

780
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,240
But there'll be a lot of cool
stuff for social media and stuff

781
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,480
along the way, so that's cool
too.

782
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,040
That kind of sounds like a
project that we're doing right

783
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,320
here where you're looking at the
owner operator.

784
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,760
Nothing.
Nothing gets done without our

785
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,520
approval.
No, exactly.

786
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,280
Hey everybody, everybody's got
their go to instrument.

787
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,760
As a musician, I know I do.
What is your favorite

788
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,320
instrument?
That if you're, let's say you're

789
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,160
having a bad day and you can't
get something right, you know

790
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,240
that if it's going to happen,
it's going to happen on this

791
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:14,240
instrument.
What base are you going to?

792
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:20,320
I'm going to my Fender jazz
bass, My Fender aerodyne jazz

793
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,120
bass.
For some reason it's the

794
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:29,400
cheapest bass in my collection.
I think I bought it new for like

795
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,280
650 bucks or whatever.
Sign is not a very expensive

796
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,640
instrument either.
I think it it was 850 brand new

797
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,840
when the guy bought it.
It's a Charvel STX custom, but I

798
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,320
always tell people there's
something about that piece of

799
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,920
wood that can't do things that
no other guitar has ever done

800
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,160
for me.
The Charvel You know what?

801
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:52,000
Who also said that was Glenn
Drover.

802
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,640
I don't know if it was that
model of Charvel, but he said if

803
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,720
you find this guitar, buy it.
And it was a Charvel.

804
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,480
Like it was one of those things.
But with with me, it's

805
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,080
definitely a jazz bass.
My jazz bass it goes.

806
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:12,160
And then I got an older jazz
bass, kind of like a Duff

807
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,760
Mckagan old.
Is it all Japanese?

808
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:22,680
I think it was 88 or 89.
Heavy as hell sometimes that

809
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,400
bass, but it's always the jazz.
I love the jazz Knack and.

810
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,920
What about amplification?
What are you using for

811
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:35,600
amplifiers?
I blew up my amp in 2004 and

812
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,240
haven't replaced it Blew my
head.

813
00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:45,680
It was a it was a trainer valve
head old you know tubes.

814
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:51,000
But I like with me being a
session player, I usually just

815
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,440
use plug insurance now.
Anti plug in, mark base, plug

816
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,960
in.
Yeah, I do that through my

817
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,680
interface and away I go.
And that's what I've been doing

818
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:04,080
to, you know, just I plug into
this Presonus and then I have

819
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,000
Studio 1 sitting right here in
front of me.

820
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,680
And same thing you got about, I
don't know, 50 different amps

821
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:10,480
inside that.
Oh.

822
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,240
Yeah, you can just.
Model yourself after and they're

823
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:16,120
so close nowadays.
Well, you know what a good

824
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:17,760
another good one for you to
check out?

825
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,040
Bias effects.
Bias.

826
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:23,720
Bias effects.
I think I got bias effects too

827
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:29,920
and it's got a same thing.
Bunch of amps, bunch of bunch of

828
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,960
effects.
You can run through a chain

829
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:37,640
wherever you want.
And then also they have a cloud.

830
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,240
So if you want to, let's say you
wanted something Hendrix like

831
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:47,000
crosstown traffic, somebody will
post that Hendrix, cross down

832
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,600
traffic and then you dial into
what you want.

833
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,080
So it's it's something interest
and a lot of guitar players that

834
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,240
have come over to my house said
holy smokes, I got to get this.

835
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,520
OK, check it out.
I've been using something

836
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,240
similar.
It's a guy I was giving lessons

837
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:05,160
to.
He left this positive grid amp

838
00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:08,880
over here and they have the same
concept where they have a whole

839
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,480
community of people that upload
their presets.

840
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,240
And I should get more into it
too because one thing that I'm

841
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:19,080
sure Chris will tell you, I used
to get complimented on my tone

842
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,520
all the time, like a ringtone
out of the biggest pieces of

843
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,160
shit.
I had APV renown when I first

844
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,120
moved to Arizona, which is not
the greatest amp for Hard Rock.

845
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,240
It's more of a country, you
know, like a clean sounding amp.

846
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,600
Yeah.
The guys who were running sound

847
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,560
at the time just couldn't
believe that I could get that

848
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,160
tone out of there.
But yeah, I was raised.

849
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:44,280
By people.
You know who taught me to play

850
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,160
and showed me the ropes?
That that was important to them.

851
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:51,400
The show, the sound, the lights
were just as important as the

852
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,720
performance, the song, you know,
the, the tone was everything.

853
00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:59,120
Because if somebody can't listen
to it, it doesn't matter how

854
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,520
good of a song it is, if it's
not presented in the right way,

855
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,880
they're going to leave, right?
Exactly.

856
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,520
Yeah.
You know what, I've got a

857
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,440
positive grid amp too.
That's, I can't remember which

858
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,120
one has got the 2 speakers in
it.

859
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,800
And I got it on top of a thing
and I was just messing with that

860
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,520
the other day because what I was
doing, I, I thought, OK, I got

861
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:23,280
an acoustic Sonic telly, Fender
acoustic Sonic, which is, you

862
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,960
know, this one's a Mexican.
It's got three different things

863
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,240
between electric and acoustic.
So I started messing around with

864
00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:35,200
the Positive Grid amp just the
other day with it for the first

865
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,960
time.
I've had the amp for like over a

866
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,920
year and I haven't even touched
it yet, but it was that that

867
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,240
would positive grid is amazing.
Isn't it?

868
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:48,440
And it's got the thing where I
have it on my, what do you call

869
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:49,760
it?
My my iPad.

870
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,360
Yes.
And I messed around with that,

871
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,160
but see now I've got with the
acoustic Sonic, I have the

872
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,200
acoustic ability and the
electric ability.

873
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,080
So now I'm going through this
and my wife works from home.

874
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,920
She works upstairs and I'm I'm
driving her absolutely mental.

875
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,240
I have because I don't have the
studio in the basement right

876
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:10,920
now.
So I'm like walking around the

877
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,880
house.
I got the Boss Wireless in there

878
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:19,160
and, you know, in the kitchen
making coffee.

879
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,160
While you while you guys were
talking, I was, I was showing

880
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,120
you on, on on the Google
machine, Ronnie and pulled up a

881
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,480
bunch of your photos and shit.
So I was watching those

882
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,160
pictures.
The humility you have is is is

883
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,120
just amazing because what I just
scrolled through while you guys

884
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,040
were talking, the word iconic is
attached to your name so many

885
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:42,040
different places just because
what you've done, who you've

886
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,000
played with and and you've done
it for as long as you've done

887
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,400
it.
That's when are you going to get

888
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:47,600
into the Canadian Hall of Fame,
man?

889
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,040
Well, you know what?
Let's get this new band out and

890
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,080
let's, you know, let's rock it
because I'm.

891
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,640
I'm ready to.
I'm ready to leave my house.

892
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,920
Yeah.
How long has it been?

893
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,520
How long has it been since
you've been on the road with a

894
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,280
band?
Oh geez, the last time I was on

895
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:10,400
a road on the road with a band
was 19970.

896
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,840
Wow.
It was a band called Sweet 6 and

897
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,400
same thing.
We all played in different

898
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,920
bands.
And one of the guys, the

899
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:23,480
vocalist, actually, he was
dating a girl from North

900
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:29,280
Tonawanda in, you know, New York
and pretty close to to us if you

901
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:34,040
know the border wise.
And her uncle was an agent.

902
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:38,560
So we got a demo together
because I work part time in a

903
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:42,040
recording studio.
And we started we started

904
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:43,960
touring.
So we would go out for a week or

905
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,680
two at a time, play every night,
travel.

906
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:52,760
And I think the first tour was
12 days, which I think we played

907
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:58,280
ten nights out of the 12.
And we came home and I did the,

908
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:03,440
the, the bookkeeping and we had
$2.00 and 30 something cents

909
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,960
leftover.
But we partied.

910
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:12,480
Like, I mean, we partied.
We had a great van, we had a

911
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,240
nice hotel rooms.
We got paid half decent for the

912
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:19,880
1st.
And I think the second time we

913
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,560
went was probably about 5-6
months later.

914
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,560
It was the winter time and I
think we made 30 bucks after

915
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:28,840
coming back.
Right on.

916
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,040
You made more money.
But we had fun, you know, and

917
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:36,520
that was the old, the old keys
being young and stupid and you

918
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,200
know, yeah.
We're fun, man.

919
00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:41,360
Yeah, very cool.
Yeah.

920
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:42,880
So.
So this new project, you're

921
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,400
hoping it drops sometime in the
next month?

922
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:50,560
I'm hoping yeah, work gets up
within the next month, press

923
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:56,080
release is ready to go and then
work on the electronic press kit

924
00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:00,960
for the agents and the the venue
owners and everything and get

925
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,200
and get some dates for 2026.
Awesome.

926
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,440
You ever come to Arizona?
You know what?

927
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,960
I almost hopped on a plane to
Arizona once.

928
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,800
A friend of mine bought from
Toronto bought a house in

929
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,120
Arizona and they would go back
and forth and I can't remember

930
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,240
we're in Arizona, but it was
beautiful, small town hills.

931
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:27,160
They'd all get together at night
down at the local bar and I

932
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:28,960
almost jumped on a plane to
Arizona once.

933
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,040
Probably somewhere up north.
Yeah, it was north.

934
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,560
Yeah.
That sounds familiar.

935
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,040
Or even further north.
I think yeah, but that sounds

936
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:39,640
familiar.
Maybe I was looking on a map and

937
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,480
noticed that, but OK, yeah, no,
he just sold it a couple of

938
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,240
years ago.
So he was retiring and decided,

939
00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:48,520
you know, that was it.
So yeah, that's.

940
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,240
Where Maynard from tool hides
out when they're now.

941
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,800
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's got a cool.

942
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,480
Vineyard, the winery up there.
Nice.

943
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,720
Yeah, My, my, my.
Aunt's actually been through

944
00:51:58,720 --> 00:51:59,760
their story.
Yeah, she said.

945
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,720
It's beautiful.
Oh yeah, no, I, you know what?

946
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:05,000
It's I always loved the states I
grew up.

947
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:09,360
My parents own a cottage resort
in like just north of here.

948
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,120
So I grew up with a lot of
Americans coming in and I

949
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:17,080
travelled a lot with the family
and without the family to United

950
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:22,720
States, not so much eastern
United States.

951
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:26,280
Like you know, I've been to Los
Angeles once, California once.

952
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,000
Haven't travelled S though.
Like Southwest?

953
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,680
Let me ask you this.
This is one thing that I think

954
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,040
Chris and I have learned and I'm
sure he'll agree talking.

955
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,880
We've talked to Australia, South
Africa, Canada.

956
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,200
Chris always asks one question,
you know, what is your view of

957
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,520
Americans?
And I think the one thing that

958
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,680
we've learned, and I'm not, I'll
let you answer the question, but

959
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,960
I think the one thing that we've
learned is the media is very

960
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,360
misrepresentative of the way
that people view Americans

961
00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:59,640
because.
I think so too.

962
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,080
What we found is you guys don't
judge us as people.

963
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,920
You judge our government just
like right Well.

964
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:11,840
Just like, you know, like I had
AI had a conversation with

965
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,400
someone like a Jewish family,
right?

966
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,640
And we've been friends for years
and years and years.

967
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:21,040
And I said, you know, don't,
don't think that that people are

968
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,520
hating Jewish people right now.
They they're hating the

969
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,280
government, you know, and I
think I think with a lot of

970
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:32,240
Canadians right now and a lot of
a lot of Americans too, I think

971
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,360
they haven't realized that
sometimes you got to take a step

972
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,200
back to take two steps forward.
Yeah.

973
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,600
And I think the point, I think,
yeah, in in, in this world right

974
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:47,760
now, we need to go back that 2,
two steps or one step back or

975
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,040
five steps back to go forward or
even if that's what's.

976
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,440
Happening now, even.
Just take a second to breathe

977
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,160
before you open your mouth,
right?

978
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,760
Just everybody's real
reactionary now.

979
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,640
It's just, it's just, there's
like you said, Mike, there's no

980
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:03,720
pause.
It's just reaction.

981
00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:06,200
It's just reactions, reaction.
I don't like what you said.

982
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,160
So I'm I'm just boom, boom,
boom.

983
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,040
There's no, you're wrong.
There's no, wait a minute.

984
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,760
There's no, take a deep breath.
There's no just hold on.

985
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,360
It's just like in your face.
Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope.

986
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,840
And it's, and it's I saw
something yesterday that that we

987
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,520
just need to shut social media
down for a year and go back to

988
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,160
the basics of life.
Amen.

989
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,000
That'd be great.
It would be, but nobody will do

990
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,120
it.
No, I know.

991
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,600
Well, you know what?
Social media has been a been a

992
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,840
great thing and also has been an
absolute terrible thing.

993
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,560
Yeah, blessing and a curse, man,
just like technology, right?

994
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,920
Just like everything.
It's just the fact that they can

995
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,920
create that.
I saw something that Germany or

996
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:47,200
Japan, somebody over there, they
created this complete new heart

997
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:52,400
that, that it's mechanical, but
it can replace that effective

998
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,480
heart and just put years and
years in your life an automatic

999
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,800
start thinking, well, wait a
minute, just because the heart

1000
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,200
is now unstoppable and
unbreakable.

1001
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:03,320
You're still going to age, man.
You're still going to your bones

1002
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,480
are going to get frail.
Your, your skin's going to

1003
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:06,400
wither your you know what I
mean?

1004
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:07,520
Your teeth are going to follow
shit.

1005
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,440
So and really and your brain.
Yeah.

1006
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,640
So really is that, is that a
benefit to the world because it

1007
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,040
is for somebody that may be 30
years old and has to have a

1008
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,640
heart transplant that's going
to, you know, get them to live

1009
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,600
in another 40 years.
But, you know, no, I just, I

1010
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,240
just, I just, I just think some
of the stuff that technology is

1011
00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:30,520
doing is going to have such a
negative impact for the long

1012
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:31,880
term.
But we don't see it now, 'cause

1013
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,280
we're all excited about it, you
know?

1014
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,440
Yeah.
But you know what the thing

1015
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,920
about it is, again, when you
take a step back and think about

1016
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,720
it, you know, I mean, there's a
lot of things that I want to say

1017
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:46,400
online that I don't, right?
Way to and yeah.

1018
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:51,800
As I said, this world right now,
we need to take a step because

1019
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,000
what's going to happen is, you
know, I don't believe anything I

1020
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,320
read on the Internet.
They're teaching kids in in

1021
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,120
school now.
Watch out for memes.

1022
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,240
Watch out for this, that little
really dig in.

1023
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:06,200
And when when I was a kid
growing up, I was really huge in

1024
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,280
the history.
I would read, read, read.

1025
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:13,000
And yeah, it all about history
and it you know, I remember we

1026
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:19,280
had we had clients in from Ohio
and they decided that they were

1027
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,960
going to come up for, for
Thanksgiving, for their

1028
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,280
Thanksgiving.
Our you guys Thanksgiving are

1029
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,480
just before ours.
So they're saying about how the

1030
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:33,040
one son who's my age said, you
know, about how, you know, if it

1031
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:37,680
wasn't for US, you know, it
wasn't for Christopher Columbus.

1032
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,640
And I went, wait a minute, Derek
the red.

1033
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,200
Yeah.
Yeah, the Vikings.

1034
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,920
Yeah. 200 and some 300 and some
years earlier, you know, and my

1035
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,760
dad just.
And he didn't even know where he

1036
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,560
was.
He thought he was in a new way

1037
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:53,160
to.
Get.

1038
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:58,680
A circle Fuck.
I know, I know.

1039
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,840
But it was so funny because my
dad, my dad gave me the elbow

1040
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,560
like.
Shut up.

1041
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,400
You know, like.
Their guests that's even a

1042
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,040
holiday still is embarrassing.
It really is.

1043
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,920
I know.
Same thing here, you know, And I

1044
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,200
told my wife, I said, but I
think we're away in Cuba that

1045
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:17,600
week.
And I said, you know what?

1046
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,600
We're going to do a Mexican
Thanksgiving.

1047
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,560
What?
I said, no, no, no, no.

1048
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,720
It's going to be a Mexican feast
in the kitchen.

1049
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,840
We're not doing like different
stuffing, different.

1050
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,960
Like, we'll still do Turkey, but
it's going to be it's salsa

1051
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:35,640
Mexican.
Put some salsa.

1052
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,520
So what are you going to Cuba
for?

1053
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:44,640
Relaxing.
There's, I think just to get

1054
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:45,920
away and relax.
I love going.

1055
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,880
It's like 3 hours away from from
Toronto.

1056
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,600
It's really easy flight to get
to great beaches.

1057
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,280
Food is getting a lot better.
I mean, Cuba has their problems

1058
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:57,520
too.
Sure, sure.

1059
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,080
But you know what, a lot of
Canadians go there just to

1060
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:02,640
relax.
Yeah.

1061
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,520
Do they still have?
Do they still have all the old

1062
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,200
cars and shit?
Oh, yeah.

1063
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,080
OK, yeah, OK.
And it was fun.

1064
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,720
Still in in effect, they can't
get any OK.

1065
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,840
OK, yeah, but you know what,
most of the most of the the

1066
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,200
older cars, what they do is they
have Toyota engines.

1067
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,760
So what Toyota has done is
they've for, you know, to

1068
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:29,640
connect to transit transmissions
and to body plates, you know,

1069
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,560
like the to screw the engines in
and stuff.

1070
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,320
They've come up with all that
for for them.

1071
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:39,440
So you can get an older car,
like you can get a car that's in

1072
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,880
the 90s and it's running great
and it doesn't rust, of course,

1073
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,440
because it's Cuba, not not like
Toronto.

1074
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:50,600
So with salt Illinois, yeah, or
Illinois, you know, same diff,

1075
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:52,960
but.
You know what that.

1076
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,920
Chicago, actually, Chicago's our
sister city, by the way, Toronto

1077
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,520
and Chicago.
It is absolutely. 100% correct.

1078
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:04,000
Sister city Rust and all.
You know what that proves to me?

1079
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,640
If we would have just taken care
of our cars, they would have

1080
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:10,400
lasted all this time.
That's that's a living model of

1081
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,640
they had no choice but to
maintain the outside of those

1082
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:14,640
vehicles.
Yep.

1083
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,160
And Grant, you're right, it was
the perfect climate to do it in.

1084
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:23,000
Yep, but no exactly.
Our throwaway society is just an

1085
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,640
illusion, you know they've
created that so that we keep

1086
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,240
buying more.
True.

1087
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,720
Well, you know, You know what's
funny about Havana?

1088
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:37,120
We were going to travel down
Havana Berry and I to record in

1089
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:42,200
in a studio down there and got a
great Cuban guitar player.

1090
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:48,880
It's all rock'n'roll, you know?
And I think per hour, I think it

1091
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:53,040
was worked out to $5 US per
hour.

1092
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,880
Yeah.
So we're going to do that.

1093
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:59,040
And then tour dates, we thought,
no, let's get in this vocalist,

1094
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,880
let's bring this vocal.
And then tour dates happened and

1095
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,320
it never happened.
So this is something that's

1096
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:09,480
going to be on the schedule too,
for this band that we not only

1097
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:13,720
record from my home, but we take
off and we record in Havana.

1098
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,520
Have you?
Have you Have you named the band

1099
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,760
yet?
Yes, but I can't see it.

1100
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,280
OK, OK.
I love to.

1101
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:22,680
See, I love dangling the
carrots.

1102
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,720
Man, I've been and you know.
What?

1103
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:25,840
You're good.
You're good.

1104
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:30,480
And it's cool because people
will it's it's 4 letters and

1105
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:34,320
then live at the end and you
know, live band, but people are

1106
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,120
were making people guess what
the letters mean.

1107
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,760
OK.
So kind of like wasp.

1108
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,720
Yeah.
Yeah, kind of like for Unlawful

1109
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,720
Carnal Knowledge, Van Halen's
fuck album.

1110
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:45,920
Yep.
Yeah, Yeah, right.

1111
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,120
So we're, we're, we're going to
let people guess and, you know,

1112
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:50,880
kiss, we'll talk about it
online.

1113
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,680
Yeah.
Right on Asia, Yeah, yeah, OK.

1114
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,520
You remember a lot of people
talking about WASP?

1115
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,840
It was supposed to be either
white Anglo, Anglo-Saxon

1116
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,480
Protestants or we are sexual
perverts.

1117
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,680
Right, Yeah, no, exactly.
But it didn't come up with that.

1118
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:09,760
We, Barry, the drummer said the
name of the band.

1119
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:15,400
And I went, yeah, I don't know.
And then he he came up with just

1120
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,200
just the letters and I went
perfect.

1121
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,720
Well, Chris Sawyers in a Pearl
Jam video.

1122
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,080
Yeah, Chris Sawyers in a Pearl
Jam video.

1123
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,120
Yeah.
Oh yeah.

1124
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:30,240
My very first band I was ever
in, we were, I forget what the

1125
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,440
name was at first, but I saw, I
saw a video and the word

1126
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,760
Disturbed came on it.
So I can actually say I'm the

1127
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,000
original lead singer for
Disturbed because it's true.

1128
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,480
I was originally singer for
Disturbed.

1129
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,440
Granted it was a band in Arizona
that played out twice, but

1130
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,040
still.
So when I met, when I met Mike,

1131
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:47,720
the band name was Desperate
Angel.

1132
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:53,200
And again, watching MTV Pearl
Jam video, they had the word

1133
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,120
Nemesis come up and I went to
the practice the next day.

1134
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,960
I was like, Nemesis is their
name and they all say OK.

1135
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:02,560
And I don't know, it took me a
while to find find that band

1136
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:06,000
because there's a few around
around the world, right?

1137
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:07,520
But I found it.
I did.

1138
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,280
I end up finding it, which is
great.

1139
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,080
So because I like to get into
who I'm talking to, right?

1140
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:13,960
Sure.
Absolutely.

1141
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:19,200
The problem with we have that
disconnect between we're old

1142
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,640
enough that we were around
before the Internet, right?

1143
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,040
Right.
One of the craziest stories that

1144
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,240
I tell kids today that they
can't understand if they weren't

1145
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:31,160
there was Chris actually had a
video camera.

1146
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:35,200
The only reason that there's
evidence that we were a band is

1147
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,320
because he actually had a
camcorder, when that was like

1148
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,400
nobody had a camcorder.
Service merchandise man layaway,

1149
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:46,200
you know.
Half of my equipment was never

1150
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:49,000
paid for because I found out
that they can't put you in jail

1151
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,640
for running up credit cards.
So I was like, oh, how many of

1152
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,600
these can I get right?
So I bought Marshall lamps and

1153
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,520
rack effects.
Chris went out and bought a

1154
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,280
video camera.
We just did crazy shit like that

1155
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,320
because we needed it.
We didn't care about the money

1156
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:02,400
back then.
No, I know.

1157
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,800
What's a credit score and who
gives a fuck?

1158
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:06,400
I need this video.
Exactly.

1159
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:10,120
Well you know what I found
downstairs was in a Pelican

1160
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:13,840
case?
I found an old Canon XL1S with a

1161
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:18,000
three times lens and it's got a
thing set at the back that you

1162
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:22,120
can put 4 XLR mics in.
And I'm thinking.

1163
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,280
Man, I bought this like brand
new when it just came out.

1164
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:31,920
It was like, yeah.
And 20, yeah, three CCD camera.

1165
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:36,280
And I remember using that for
years and I thought, but my I

1166
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,400
remember my house got broken
into and they took a bunch of

1167
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:40,920
crap.
They didn't take any guitars,

1168
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,840
but they took a bunch of crap.
And I thought that that went

1169
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:47,160
with it.
So meanwhile the Pelican case is

1170
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,800
there and I open it up and I
went holy cow.

1171
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:51,880
So I'm going to, I'm going to
play around with that because I

1172
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:55,720
found some tapes for it too, so.
That's the only reason that we

1173
01:03:55,720 --> 01:04:00,840
have any kind of video evidence.
And then I built 2 recording

1174
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,800
studios, the first one being an
8 track reel to reel.

1175
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,600
Yeah.
We recorded most of the first

1176
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:12,360
demo we did between Double Wide
Trailer and my apartment in

1177
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,240
Phoenix.
So.

1178
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,560
I was an audio file and I've I
was into the sound and I wanted

1179
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:22,760
to know how things worked and
literally our Chris's curiosity

1180
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:26,040
with video because he went to
theater school and wanted to be

1181
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,040
an actor and musician and all
these other things.

1182
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:33,480
Writer.
I wanted to be into the sound,

1183
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:35,040
the lights, the show, part of
it.

1184
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:38,200
You know, I like the production,
the behind the scenes, how

1185
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,960
things worked, which is why it's
hard for me to watch television

1186
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:47,080
or, you know, a live production
if it sucks because I understand

1187
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:50,080
how you could make it better.
I know you know, You know what's

1188
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:52,320
funny?
Howard Angulator is a friend of

1189
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:53,680
mine.
He's Rush's light guy.

1190
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:56,680
You know.
It's like back out and I

1191
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,880
remember we had a, we had a
business meeting there, a bunch

1192
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:03,560
of us.
We went to his shop and he took

1193
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:07,160
me for a tour in the back.
Like speaking about lights.

1194
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,240
Oh, I was like.
I can't even imagine.

1195
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:15,680
Yeah, I said, Howard, this is
amazing, you know, and I'm going

1196
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:20,480
through stuff and and it was
like absolutely, you know, I

1197
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:24,000
just, you know, I was waiting
for for, you know, Alex Getty

1198
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:28,160
and Neil to come out, you know,
But, you know, everything was,

1199
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:32,680
everything was put away pack,
you know, up on girders and here

1200
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,400
and there.
And it was absolutely amazing.

1201
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,400
And he still has that shop, so
that's good.

1202
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:41,000
Yeah.
All right, I got to get out of

1203
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:42,160
here.
So we got to cut this thing

1204
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,320
short.
But this is Ronnie Robeson.

1205
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,320
Ronnierobeson.com Robeson Robson
Did I Do it again?

1206
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:48,560
Robson.
Robson.

1207
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:51,560
Robson.
Yeah, Son of Robin.

1208
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,320
Ronnierobson.com, Go check him
out.

1209
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,160
We're going to have him back on
the show in November because we

1210
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,000
want to have him back on the
show in November to talk about

1211
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,960
what he's doing in the next 30
days.

1212
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,920
It's absolutely freaking epic.
And hey, if you want any of your

1213
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,600
your cohorts to come on with
you, we're down with that.

1214
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,360
So we could, you know.
You know what?

1215
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:10,240
We can we love talking to.
Musicians.

1216
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,080
As you can tell man, it's been a
plan I.

1217
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,280
Think it's.
I think that's an amazing idea,

1218
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:15,960
yeah.
Yeah, because we can have, we

1219
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,640
can have extra screens here.
It's not just limited to three

1220
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:19,920
Mike and I've done a show where
they were.

1221
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,520
You can come on with your
buddies if you'd like to do a.

1222
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:24,520
Yeah, that's absolutely.
Man.

1223
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,320
You know what?
We'll plan that or I'll get them

1224
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,320
all in my living room.
There you go, it would be

1225
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,440
awesome as well.
That would be fantastic, man.

1226
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:32,600
It's all about you.
It's all about promoting you and

1227
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,480
what you got going on, man.
So totally love you being on the

1228
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:36,560
show.
It is.

1229
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:40,720
And I'm so happy we connected.
So yeah, I'm going to shoot you

1230
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:42,480
an e-mail and I'll give you some
more details.

1231
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,200
I'm going to give you my cell
phone number so you have it so

1232
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,760
we can, you know, easily
communicate that way you're

1233
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,160
going to get about, you're going
to get all kind of social

1234
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:51,640
content from this show too, so
you can share it however you

1235
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:52,280
want.
Beautiful.

1236
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:53,800
I'll share it.
Yeah, definitely.

1237
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,120
You know, we'll let you know
when we're getting ready to drop

1238
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,120
you live.
And then, you know,

1239
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,440
ronnierobeson.com boys and
girls, Canadian musician,

1240
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:05,160
touring studio session guy.
He's iconic, legendary.

1241
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,720
Just just Google Ronnie Robeson
musician and you're going to see

1242
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,360
the word iconic attached to his
name many different times for

1243
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:16,360
many, many different reasons.
We didn't say you didn't say it.

1244
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,880
They said it, Ronnie.
Yeah, they said it, man, So just

1245
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,320
just own that, brother.
Oh no, I love the humility, but

1246
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,000
be proud of that man.
You've made your mark in the

1247
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,080
world.
That's fantastic.

1248
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,040
My pleasure for.
Us to have you man.

1249
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,520
Yeah, So we, yeah, so we always
wrap up the show like this.

1250
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:33,200
If you're having a bad day, if
you're struggling, if you're

1251
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,280
depressed, if you're feeling
suicidal, don't do it.

1252
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:36,960
Yeah.
Go scream in a pillow.

1253
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,440
Go journal, go outside, run, go
workout.

1254
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:41,440
Call somebody.
Somebody will answer the phone.

1255
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,760
Somebody will talk to you.
If you can't find somebody, text

1256
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:47,880
98, eight, 24/7, 365 days a
year, you will be missed.

1257
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,360
You will cause a hole in
somebody else's heart if you

1258
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,360
don't wake up tomorrow morning
because when you do, it's going

1259
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:53,600
to be a better day because
you're in it.

1260
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:55,240
Until next time.
I'm Chris.

1261
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,960
He's Mike.
That's Ronnie Robson, the iconic

1262
01:07:57,960 --> 01:07:59,720
bass player.
Right.

1263
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,040
Thanks.
See you guys later.

1264
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:02,760
Please.
Thanks guys.

1265
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,560
Thank you, Ronnie.
Yeah, it was amazing.

1266
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:18,040
It was.
Look the tablet, you're insane.

1267
01:08:18,359 --> 01:08:29,010
Feel the teeth open, your light
on your journey you will go.

1268
01:08:30,649 --> 01:08:36,649
Feel the trail behind your eyes,
feel the sound and need your

1269
01:08:39,170 --> 01:08:41,410
curve.
Take a moment look at you and

1270
01:08:41,490 --> 01:08:44,529
see you Put your bed on this
you.

1271
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,920
Now you're coming.
Come down here.

1272
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:20,440
Yeah, we found out.
He didn't say you won't fight

1273
01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:24,680
him.
Wait for the day when he's going

1274
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:31,040
to arrive here for the way we're
playing man.

1275
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:37,360
And you should you press on the
almighty man, you gotta dream

1276
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:43,480
who in your life to keep our
soul in every man?

1277
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:51,760
Take the trail behind your eyes.
Feel the Soul Revolution now.

1278
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.

1279
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:03,800
Take a moment.
Listen to you.

1280
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:07,120
See it.
Fight the fan over to you.

1281
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:31,380
More clear.
You.

1282
01:11:34,810 --> 01:11:39,130
Gotta you gotta.
You gotta, you gotta, you gotta.

1283
01:12:08,420 --> 01:12:08,500
The.