#139 - William Chandler - Rocker to Author

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Yeah, Hey, what's up, boys and
girls?

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I'm Chris.
He's Mike.

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This is William Chandler.
This is the Chris and Mike show.

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And Michael William, we're
streaming live on Twitch in the

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YouTube.
Michael, I'm sure you're going

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to be here shortly.
Hello.

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Thanks for having me.
Thank you for joining us,

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William.
Do you feel do you for William

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Will, Mr. Chandler?
Hey, dude, what's up?

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You know, I I preferred William
exclusively for so long, and

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then people just started calling
me Will and I couldn't do

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anything to stop it.
So either one of those two will

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work.
What about?

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I've never been a Bill guy,
though.

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What about Dave?
What if we called you Dave?

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I don't know yet.
I mean, we can always, always

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see what happens.
That's always his go to guy for.

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Everybody that does.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Dave from Teaching Chung.

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Remember that bit?
Are you that old to remember

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that bit?
Oh, I loved Teaching Chung.

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OK, OK, yeah.
Remember the bit we're talking

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about.
Hey, man, open up.

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It's Dave.
It was always this set tape.

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It's Dave, man, open the door.
Is that from the big Bamboo

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album they did?
I don't know.

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I don't know.
I just remember being great on.

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The album now you're going to
put me on?

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I'm not sure what cassette it
was on.

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Yeah.
Yeah, I thought it was the

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greatest hits thing, but that
was that was by far though.

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And I actually found, you know
how people can sponsor Rhodes,

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William.
Yeah, right.

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OK, so I sell houses for a
living.

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So I was driving to do a final
walkthrough and sure enough on

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the side of the road one of
those adopted Hwy. signs was

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adopted by Dave.
That's all it's said man,

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nothing else, just Dave.
Hey, it was listen to Mike.

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I'm like dude, I found it man.
That was I think there has to be

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some tie to the Cheech and Chong
bit there has.

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To Be It says it's off their
first recorded comedy riff back

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in the days of vinyl, so I don't
even know if it had a name.

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It just said it's off their
first album.

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Well, one of their best albums,
and I think it won a Grammy, was

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a big bamboo.
Oh, my dad.

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Is that the one that came with
rolling paper in the middle of

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the Yeah, yeah.
Absolutely.

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And I would I'd break it out and
listen to it in the den and just

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crack up right on.
Let's see if this let's see what

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happens here because we've been
having some fun with YouTube

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sharing our screens and YouTube
shutting us down.

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They hate.
US.

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Here it is, man.
Here it is, Dave.

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Come on, Dave, let's go.
Wow, it took forever.

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Where's it?
Can you hear it?

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Yeah.
Yep.

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I can't hear it at all.
Where's it?

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There it is.
That's weird, man.

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Hey, man.
Open up I think.

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Come
in here.

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Yeah, Dave.
Dave, right.

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Man, Dave, now will you open up
the door?

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Dave's not here.
That's, I love those guys.

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Absolutely.
That's yeah, that's awesome.

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I was on my first and now on
that same little cassette tape I

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have was like Basketball Jones,
Sarge Sudanko, like all the

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funny, stupid bits, man, that,
you know, it's just, you know,

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there's never going to be
anybody like them ever again,

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man.
They, they, they found a niche

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and they filled that niche and
made millions of dollars.

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Yeah.
And I, I don't know if like all

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the material stands up, you
know, but the, I mean the, and

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it's almost like you had to be
there for some of it.

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But the, the classic stuff is
just.

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No questions.
I agree with you.

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There's certain parts of it.
You kind of had to be there.

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If you're not our age, it
probably doesn't make.

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Sense, yeah, but.
They do like that bit right

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there.
That's just classic comedy, you

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know?
Yeah, and there's, there's so

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much subtlety and intelligence
to what they did that people do

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don't even, you know, realize.
Well, think about what he just

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played that just the timing,
right?

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If that timing hadn't worked out
where he waited just long enough

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to go.
What, Dave.

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No, man.
Dave, you know, he waited long

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enough to go.
Dave's not here.

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Right.
And it was.

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Yeah, I.
Want to say that right after it

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would be funny.
Right.

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Yeah, The timing with them is
great.

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I think the timing with the
best, all the best comedians is

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such a secret weapon.
And we agreed we know how to do

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it and do it right.
Then that works out.

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Yep.
Absolutely, man.

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Hi, Michael.
We said hi to you earlier, dude.

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You weren't here yet, so you're
late.

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You're punished.
You're you're So William, let's

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talk about you because that's
why you're here.

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You send us some, some stuff.
I dig the I dig some of the

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stuff you sent for sure.
I didn't listen to all the Full

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disclosure, but I did listen to
some of it.

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I like to kind of keep
everything organic when we do

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this.
I don't, I don't really like

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diving into the person we're
talking to because then it's

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just an interview, you know, and
it's kind of boring.

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So yeah, I got you.
I went through all three of your

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songs.
I thought they were all

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outstanding.
Well, thank you very much.

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The one that you sent us on the
phone, I really appreciated the

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tones.
I'm I'm really, we were talking

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about it right before Chris got
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The sound of things, you know,
that is as important as the

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composition.
And the riff was outstanding and

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the drums are cool, but I like
when people pick the right

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sound.
For it to like that aggressive

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guitar part was just perfect as
far as the sound goes.

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And I agree with Chris.
I went back and listened to the

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lyrics, and the lyrics are
outstanding, man.

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Yeah.
Thank.

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Thanks a lot.
So, you know, those songs now,

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those are what I call the new
house divided songs.

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And they're like, you know, 15
years old at least.

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And it's, they were kind of
written as the band was kind of

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petering out and and going our
separate ways and having real

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life and real family and
marriage kind of get in the way.

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Yeah, but the the one you're
talking about Mike, that was

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done with Mike Gibson, Les Paul
through a Marshall and an Orange

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Cab.
So like the the difference

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between that own and the one?
Uniqueness and the sound for

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sure.
Yeah, those other two were done

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with one of my Ibanez guitars
where the pickups are just about

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shot and those pickups were on
their last legs but didn't

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really have the budget to
replace them or replace the

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guitar.
And they were good for just

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going in and recording 2 songs
in a day.

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But no, that the sound quality
between those those first two

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songs and that one I sent you
over the phone is night and day,

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even though it was done in
exactly the same studio with

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exactly the same engineer.
He just he was able to capture

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that Gibson with the Marshall.
And it's like I the the way I

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like to put it is like, I don't
know what God sounds like or if

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there is one that was the Eddie
Van Halen.

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No, no, no, This is something I
keep.

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It's like I don't, I don't know
if I I would ever hear God, but

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I know what he sounds.
I got you.

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I got.
You sound like.

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A Gibson through a Marshall.
OK, so I'll tell you a quick,

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I'll tell you a quick story.
That's you just squirrel moment

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right into that.
So I'm working at Guitar Center

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in Phoenix somewhere around, I
don't know, 2003 four maybe, and

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this guy comes in and he wanted
what he called a special guitar,

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right?
He's looking at all the custom

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shops and I was like, well, you
know, that's a special as they

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get everything that you can't
reach, right.

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He said, no, you you don't
understand.

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He said, I'm looking for a
special guitar.

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That's like, I don't know what
you're talking about.

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I gotta go talk to my manager or
somebody.

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So Long story short, they're
like, he's looking for like a

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backroom kind of thing.
And Hollywood at Guitar Center,

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they have like the private
backroom where Slash can go in

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and people have to be invited in
to see these guitars.

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So we find him a Murphy Lab, Tom
Murphy, Les Paul, that was in

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Scottsdale.
He waits for it to be driven

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over.
He takes two of those custom

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shops and that Murphy lab, and
we go in a private room where

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it's quiet.
We plug it into a Marshall combo

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tube amp.
And what you're saying is

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exactly what I experienced.
This guy turned out to be one of

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the top 25 most influential
guitar players of all time, as

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voted by Rolling Stone.
His name was Ted Turner, the

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same as the guy that owned the
movie or the TV stations, but

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this guy played in a band called
Wishbone Ash back in the late

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60s early 70s I.
Know the.

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He's credited with being one of
the two guitar players who

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developed like that twin guitar
attack that we know today, like

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Def Leppard.
Then Lizzie.

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Yeah, then Lizzie, another great
example.

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These two guys, him and another
guy, are credited with

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developing that sound where
instead of playing just the same

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chords all the time, you're
playing harmonies and.

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So.
He plays through the 2 custom

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shops with Sound Great, which
William and I could buy right,

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just right off the shelf and
they're great guitars.

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They cost around three, $4000.
This Murphy lab started at I

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think he ended up paying about
10, five.

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I think they wanted 12.
Wow.

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But the difference in the sound
of that guitar versus what you

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and I would consider the best
guitars available to us, What

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you just said, we don't know
what God sounds or we don't know

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what God is, but we know what he
sounds like.

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Eddie Van Halen, I thought we
talked about that.

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No question.
I'm not.

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I'm not.
I'm not arguing your comment at

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all, Chris.
He did have one of the best

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tones on the planet ever.
Yeah, I mean to, to get a really

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great guitar with a great tone
is it's such a just a almost

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like a privilege because when
you when you hear the difference

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between a good guitar and a
great one, it there's there

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aren't many better feelings than
to be able to create with that

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and and hear it played back to
you.

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And since I'm talking to a
fellow musician, it was the

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difference in the mid to high,
you know, instead of instead of

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being muddy in the mid range and
not cutting through.

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So, you know, to people that
aren't musicians, it would be

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like you're not hearing all the
notes in the chord.

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So you're playing five strings
and it all just sounds like one

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string.
That's a bad piece of wood,

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right?
This piece of wood was so

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special that you could literally
hear every note he was picking

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even though he was playing an
entire chord.

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Oh wow.
And then of course.

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The.
What's the other thing we're

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looking for is guitar players
sustain that the sound rings out

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and doesn't die.
Yeah, and, and that I think that

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is what the Les Paul has over so
many other guitars.

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The sustain on it is just
unbelievable.

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And you know, now that I've got
the one, I can't wait to

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eventually get a second one, and
the third one and a fourth one.

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At that same store, I was gifted
one.

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One of my clients actually gave
me one.

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Oh, I was just.
I didn't even know what I I'm

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not sure I said anything.
I'm still speechless.

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Like I.
Yeah, the the one I got was

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actually it was the gift from my
wife and a bunch of other people

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that chipped in for my 40th
birthday.

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That's all right on.
Oh, so you talking about an

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emotional moment?
Yeah.

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But yeah, that was a that was a
good time.

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I thought I'd be making a lot
more music with that guitar, but

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eventually, eventually it'll all
come out.

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I'm finally starting to learn,
you know, home recording and and

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whatnot, and I've got, I've got
everything I need for it.

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I just have to sit down and
actually learn to be the the

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studio guy instead of just the
musician.

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I've been the studio guy before,
but about the time Chris and I

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started doing this podcast, my
job that makes this possible at

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the moment, decided I needed to
work more.

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And then we ended up working
more and more.

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So you got to kind of choose
what you're going to do in your

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24 hours, right?
Exactly, there's a there's a lot

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to do and, and our kids are very
busy and that takes up that

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takes up a lot of time, but it's
time that I'm happy to to

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sacrifice to make sure that
they're that they're, you know,

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high school and middle school
years are, are fortuitous and,

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and, and very happy.
So damn kids.

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Right.
Sons of bitches.

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So take us, take us back to when
you started.

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Like what made you want you
know, I know what made me want

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to play guitar.
I was kind of introverted and.

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Yeah.
You know, music spoke to me.

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It was something I could do by
myself.

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So what made you want to play
guitar and where did you take it

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before you became dad and
husband and.

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So I fell in love with music
about three years old.

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You beat me.
And so, you know, you know, fell

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in love with the bands that my
dad loved by Osmosis, you know,

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the Doors, 'cause he stills now
it's The Beatles.

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And, and this is where me and
Chris are going to actually

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diverge because then I
discovered Kiss, OK, and I love

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KISS.
I know you don't like Kiss.

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I love kiss Williams they.
Are not only the most important

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band in my life, like they're
one of the most important forces

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in my life.
Like oh, gotcha.

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And they are for a lot of guitar
players for sure.

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You know, kept me going.
And, you know, I think that two

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to four members of probably the
most respected and most popular

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bands of the last 30 years can
all point to KISS as an

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influence.
Absolutely.

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And so I was one of those when I
was 9, I got my first guitar.

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It was actually a court Les Paul
copy sounded, sounded horrible,

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but it was left-handed.
And so this is.

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You're a lefty.
I'm nine, I'm nine years old in

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Lubbock, TX, so to actually even
have a left-handed guitar and

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Lubbock was amazing.
Yeah.

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People don't realize they didn't
make a lot of left-handed

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guitars when we were growing up.
How old are you, by the way?

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I'm 48.
OK, so we're all in the same.

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Yeah, kind of this thing bracket
there and it's it's not it

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doesn't even seem like they make
that mini now because I can walk

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in the Guitar Center almost
anywhere and find, you know, in

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the Metroplex with, you know, 8
locations like I might find one

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or two lefties at all and but
back in.

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Your day, you wouldn't find any.
Exactly.

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So in, in 86 when they got me
this, it was, you know, it was

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just a godsend that it was
there.

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So they surprised me after
telling me that they just

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weren't going to be able to
afford it.

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They got it for me for
Christmas.

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I fell in love with it.
And then I put it under my bed

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and it sat there for about 5
years.

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Really.
Yeah.

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I, I just wasn't studious
enough.

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I wasn't ready.
It was like even the kid who

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says that they'll take care of
the dog if you just get them the

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dog and then they become parents
dog.

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So the guitar, the guitar became
the the bed's guitar until May

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of 1992.
OK.

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I would listen into my dad's
cassette of Ted Nugent's 1974

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solo debut.
Yeah.

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Well, MM used to play a cat
scratch fever as a as a break in

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our shows for me.
He would do, he would do cat

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scratch for you.
So we'd be like, you know, 6

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songs in the set and Mike
Michaels these and gentlemen.

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Wow, I'm.
Pretty confident that's the only

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song I've ever like sang in
front of people.

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Yeah, he and he clears it up,
man.

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Yeah, he does a good job.
That's cool.

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And so it was something about
that album, like just grabbed me

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and was like, you know, this is
what I should be doing.

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This is what I want to do.
That album had everything from

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like almost metal songs to
bluesy songs, slower song.

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It was kind of a combination of
stuff that kind of could be, you

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know, you could kind of predict
would be what the 90s was, where

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a band could make more than just
one kind of style or one genre

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of song and, and, and put it all
on one album.

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That's a good way of saying what
happened in the 90s.

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It's almost like we threw, and
Chris and I talk about this a

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lot.
It's almost like we threw every

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style that was available into a
pot and stirred it up, and

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whatever came out is what came
out.

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That's why that music's so good.
Yeah, yeah.

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I mean it, it, it encompassed
everything.

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And I'm so I feel nowadays so
grateful to have been a teenager

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in the 90s.
I say so.

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We were in our 20s, but I say
that so much to have been there

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and to have been a part of it.
Him and I were a part of it.

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Exactly.
Think about what we all grew up

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with.
We all grew up with the 80s and

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the 90s, right, right.
Those are those are typically

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our teen years and then you hit
the the 2000s, but the 80s and

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90s by far, I think we're from a
music revolution standpoint, two

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of the best decades ever.
I mean, just it, it reshaped and

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changed.
I mean, aside from what Sabbath

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did in the 70s, right?
What Metallica did right.

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And they were they were what,
late 70s, early 80s Metallica

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early.
No, they their first, their

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first album was 8383.
OK, Yeah.

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So they were probably, you know,
none.

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No one heard of them back in the
70s.

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But yeah, so, but think about
that.

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Aside from those two bands back,
Sabbath, Metallica, nothing

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really changed the music
industry until Seattle came out,

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until Nirvana dropped.
And then all of a sudden,

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correct.
And then all of a sudden it's,

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oh, we're going grunge now,
right?

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And that that.
But that afforded us, meaning

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Mike and I, we were playing in
Nemesis, the ability to open for

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huge headlining bands in the
80s.

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They were now opening or or
headlining a show in in Phoenix

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at the Mason Jar.
Yeah, like L.A.

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Guns came through there.
Enough so I.

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Saw them in an arena.
We, yeah, we opened up for them.

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Then we opened up for enough's
enough.

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I saw them in an arena.
I was like, holy.

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Crap, you're playing.
For the same 200 people we are,

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you know.
Right.

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But that's the that was what it
did though, right?

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Because then all the 80s hair
bands and shit, it's like all of

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a sudden they're playing clubs
again.

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It was the weirdest dynamic in
the music.

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But we also got some amazing
opportunities, like he says,

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that a lot of fans would have
never had.

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True.
We opened up for the Marshall

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Tucker Band, man, we were a
heavy rock band.

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We weren't heavy metal.
He wasn't a screaming vocalist.

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His vocals that.
Song that we yeah, this, the

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song we start the show with is
our song Freeman that we wrote

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probably 30 years ago.
Yeah, That's cool.

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You know, so I mean, that kind
of kind of just tells you that

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we were.
I always tell people we were

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Creed before Creed because when
you when you try to define a

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sound, it's hard.
And we were there because we

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were pre.
ITunes and pre, all the

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Spotify's and yeah, I know
exactly what you mean.

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So when people, when people ask
me and I'm kind of jumping, I'm

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fast forwarding a little bit in
my story when they asked me

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what, what House Divided sound
like.

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Like, you know what, what is
your band?

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What kind of band are you?
I was like, well, if Nirvana and

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Soundgarden were driving in a
blue Chevelle and Metallica and

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Pantera were in the A-Team van
go in the opposite direction and

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they actually had a head on
collision.

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And the doctors that tried to
heal them and fix them and put

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them back together were Jane's
addiction and Led Zeppelin.

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The resulting mangled, beautiful
atrocity would be house divided.

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I love.
That and yeah, I don't even know

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that.
I don't even know if there's a

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simpler way to put it or a more
accurate way to put it, except

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to add it maybe one or two more
bands even to that description.

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And so when you know that Nugent
album for some reason grabbed a

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hold of me, I'd rededicated
myself to playing the guitar,

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but my left-handed chord was now
just wood.

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It wasn't even the electronics
were shot.

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So I started playing my dad's
Fender, his right-handed Fender,

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upside down.
And that's where I first started

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writing songs, was playing that
Fender completely upside down.

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And then a year later.
I Jimi Hendrix style, like you,

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strung it upside down.
No, no completely upside down.

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I didn't restring it at all.
Nice.

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So he would he would take a
righty and restring it to play

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it left-handed.
I was playing completely upside

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down.
Oh my God, that scrambles my

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brain.
And I even came up with like

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chord I would, I would write
them down and name them this and

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that or the other.
And you know, I'm sure that

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those chords had already been
invented standard right side up

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style.
But to me they were completely

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different chords.
And about a year after that, I

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was able to get my first proper
lefty and that was this Ibanez,

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this black Ibanez RG550 and had
been looking for bandmates that

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entire time.
That was my sophomore year in

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high school.
Eventually found a whole band in

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the high school and me and the
drummer Nikki Simic, we have

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been, you know, bandmates and
close friends to this point.

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We're brothers now ever since.
And that was our first jam

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session was February of 93
plane, you know, smells like

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teen spirit and Symphony of
destruction for about 30 seconds

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before it all falls apart and.
Those are the.

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Wonderful moments.
Yeah, it was just in his parents

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garage.
And one day he was like, you

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know, I want to kind of jam on
Will's songs.

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And we started doing that and
then all of a sudden the other

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guys that came to jam, they
started not coming over.

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And it was me and Nikki playing
my originals.

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And then he was like, you know,
I'm a drummer, but I can play

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guitar too.
And he would write songs and we

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would just go out and sit with
acoustics and play and

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eventually formed House Divided.
And I mean, it's what I thought

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I was going to do.
I thought I was going to be a

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rock star, you know.
Yeah.

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Yeah, exactly.
And, and we got to the point

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where there was some interest
from Island Records, those

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interest from Grand Royal, the
Beastie Boys label, and one or

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two guys from Sony was supposed
to come out and actually see us

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play.
But I don't think they ever,

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ever even made it out.
And I can look back now and tell

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you, like the three main
mistakes that probably kept us

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from being rock stars and a big
one was that we should have been

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a quartet.
We were a trio and I insisted on

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staying that way because I was
like, they're my lyrics, I want

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to sing them to my guitar, I
want to play it, but I can't

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give 100%.
Couldn't give 100% to both.

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It's funny you say that about
number one.

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I'm not to interrupt you, but we
were the opposite when Chris

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left.
We tried to be a trio and it

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didn't work.
So just to put it into

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perspective for you, I think
unless you're Rush or ZZ Top,

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that's not going to work.
Yeah, I mean it works for a few

451
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,040
100.
Band man succeeded.

452
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,800
I'm just being funny.
I know, I know, I know, I know.

453
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,120
But but yeah, so and so if we.
Got 2 and 3.

454
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:10,280
If we got an actual manager so
that I wasn't trying to do all

455
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,000
of that and write all the songs
and have that creative control

456
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:22,720
and, and, and if we could just,
if I had just listened more the,

457
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:28,360
the entire other side of that is
maybe the other guys weren't as

458
00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:32,640
dedicated as I was.
So like I could have said, hey,

459
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,160
why don't I just go find other
guys?

460
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:41,600
But I think that we were loyal
to each other as friends and I

461
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,520
actually didn't want to lose the
friendship.

462
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,720
And I figured if I lost them as
bandmates, then I would be

463
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,880
losing them as friends.
So.

464
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:56,720
I have a similar story but we
luckily I'm going to try and say

465
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,440
this in the nicest way possible
because I love this guy like a

466
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,120
brother.
It's OK to RIP it off like a

467
00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:02,240
band.
Aid No, it's not you, it's

468
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,880
Scott, and he's no longer with
us.

469
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,120
So I really want to say this.
Scott had an edge to him, right?

470
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,160
Here's a drummer.
It takes a certain kind of

471
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,640
personality to want to beat the
shit out of something for hours

472
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,240
on it, right?
True.

473
00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:18,720
So our first guitar or bass
player slash Singer was the same

474
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,280
as you.
He was a singer and a bass

475
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,440
player.
So we were a trio at the time,

476
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,520
but he had horrible stage
fright.

477
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:29,240
So we had to do what you're
talking about.

478
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,520
We had to basically say this,
even though we love this guy, it

479
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,320
isn't going to work.
So then, you know, him and I had

480
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,960
a conversation about how we're
going to become attached to

481
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,040
these people, but this is a
business.

482
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,760
This is what we want to do with
our life.

483
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,360
So those people have to have the
same dedication that we do.

484
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:52,960
And that's when we found Chris
and our own William, who is our

485
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,520
bass player.
It's hard not to call him Rick.

486
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,120
I know, why should I say it was?
Killing me because he was Rick

487
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:01,680
to us forever, but he wants to
be called William now and I

488
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,320
respect that.
So yeah, OK.

489
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,880
Anyway, we had to do the same
thing you're talking about.

490
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,240
We had to just say, OK, we want
to make money at this and we

491
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,000
need people who are going to
have the same outlook that we

492
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,560
do.
They're not going to make

493
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,600
excuses why they can't be at
practice and blah, blah, blah.

494
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:20,480
We practiced every day or we had
a gig that was just it.

495
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,000
It wasn't in.
There were no days off.

496
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,880
Exactly.
And we, I mean, we managed to in

497
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,880
a pretty short time, got to the
point where I was doing, you

498
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,520
know, begging clubs to let us
play to within about four

499
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,560
months, like we were, I was
getting calls from the biggest

500
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,440
clubs in Dallas to headline
shows.

501
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,960
That's such a great feeling.
It is a great feeling.

502
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,480
And what what we did with that
was drop the ball basically

503
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,080
because the guys had been
telling me, you know, like, hey,

504
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,560
people like the songs, but we
need to get like a real singer.

505
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,920
And I wasn't.
I didn't realize that I had to

506
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,880
actually practice my voice just
like I did the guitar.

507
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,520
Oh yeah.
Like that it was an instrument

508
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,560
because when I'm writing the
songs, I was hearing these this

509
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:17,640
voice on how I wanted it to be
sung, but I didn't realize that

510
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,440
I was actually biting off more
than I could chew, Especially

511
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,240
with the fact that I wasn't
writing like just the simplest 3

512
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,760
chord songs, right.
And to try to be, you know,

513
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,840
complex and, and write these
aggressive riffs with a guitar

514
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,400
and sing over that in a more
abstract way.

515
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,480
I could have just been, you
know, better educated because I

516
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,160
don't have any music education.
I just taught myself to play for

517
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,200
the most part.
And if we had had someone who

518
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,880
could just dedicate 100% to
being a singer, it would have

519
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,080
improved us.
And then those guys probably

520
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,440
would have been, you know, way
more dedicated and loyal knowing

521
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,320
that we're actually on the same
page.

522
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,120
And I don't think we were able
to, or at least I wasn't able to

523
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,800
understand that until it was
probably too late.

524
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,160
Well, something you just said
that's super important for

525
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,760
people to understand is just
because a guy standing up there

526
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,080
gal or whatever without
something, you know, an

527
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,920
instrument doesn't mean they're
not a musician.

528
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:19,920
Right.
Exactly.

529
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,960
Chris writes melodies, right?
Yeah.

530
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,240
So he's saying a lot of times
there's no music to what he's

531
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,880
singing.
We we do it both ways.

532
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,440
So I'll write a piece of music
and he'll say I got lyrics for

533
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,480
that.
Or he'll send me something blank

534
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,920
and he'll have an idea what his
melody is and he'll hum it out

535
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,280
or he'll sing it out if he's got
the lyrics and I'll place the

536
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,480
music to his melody.
It it's not always.

537
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,240
I think a lot of times he beats
himself up about not being a

538
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,840
musician.
A singer is every bit of

539
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,080
musician as anybody else.
Just watch a YouTube video of

540
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,600
people explaining what singers
are doing. him and I have a lot

541
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,600
of the same similarities in that
I know enough theory to get me

542
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,400
in trouble.
He's not a trained musician

543
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,640
either.
I think that's what he's saying

544
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,200
when he's saying he isn't a
musician.

545
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,720
We have an innate ability of
knowing what people want to

546
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,240
hear.
Without knowing how we're doing

547
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,320
that right, it's almost like
you're flying blind.

548
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,760
Yeah, I I think that Anthony
Keita, so the Red Hot Chili

549
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,560
Peppers is a big example because
when he talks, when he talks

550
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,800
about the band, he talks about
how they're musicians.

551
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,040
And then he almost just
basically kind of looked into

552
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,960
being in the band.
Yes, but but he's the guy

553
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,720
writing all the lyrics and all
the melodies and his vocal style

554
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,560
and his vocal ability has just
grown exponentially over the

555
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,320
years.
But from when they were just

556
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:46,560
kind of a joke to now being to
me just a great band and and

557
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,600
another important.
And here's my comeback.

558
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,360
When someone would give somebody
like him shit, I would say, OK,

559
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,520
so imagine the Red Hot Chili
Peppers released all that music

560
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,080
without Anthony Kiedis as the
front man and the singer.

561
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,600
It's just instrumental music,
right?

562
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,040
How popular would they have
been?

563
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,680
Yeah.
People are listening to him.

564
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,160
I was hyper aware that when we
were putting this band together

565
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,480
another 30 years ago, that was
important to me, that I wasn't

566
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,680
the showcase of the band or the
drummer wasn't.

567
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,520
We're a band.
People are looking at the person

568
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,240
who's talking to the crowd and
singing.

569
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:27,040
That's just a fact.
You know, with with the passing

570
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:32,960
of Ozzy, I think that there's a
lot of analysis done about him

571
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,880
and you know, he wasn't the guy
writing his songs when he had a

572
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,160
solo career and he wasn't the
guy writing his songs in

573
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,080
Sabbath.
But Can you imagine like someone

574
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,560
else with those first seven
Sabbath albums?

575
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:52,400
Like his voice, his character,
his just his personality

576
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,920
basically carried heavy metal in
two different forms, right?

577
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:02,160
For like 4 decades and that's
more a testament to him than I

578
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,440
think anything else can be
because it's not you know it's

579
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,200
not the Randy Rhodes band or the
Zack Wylde band, it's Ozzy

580
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,280
Osbourne, right And you need
that personality and that that

581
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,440
base that example to just kind
of lead you and.

582
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,520
And lead metal basically for as
long as he did and his his his

583
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,000
impact on the world was just not
musically because.

584
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,360
And that was prevalent when when
the funeral procession happened

585
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,760
and when Jack finally released a
statement after the fact, like

586
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,960
they were blown away.
They were absolutely blown away

587
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,040
at not only the procession and
the amount of people that

588
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,600
gathered for that, but they he
alluded to reading every single

589
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,440
note, every single e-mail, every
single comment on all our social

590
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:46,080
media from from everybody, you
know, across the world and how

591
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,080
much Ozzy had touched them.
Whether it was like some people

592
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,560
didn't know Ozzy Osbourne, who
Ozzy Osbourne was until the

593
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,440
Osbournes on MTVI mean it was as
crazy as that sounds, right?

594
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,280
But so you have this.
You have and I mean, one of the

595
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,120
funniest things I ever thought
from that show was when him and

596
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,160
Sharon were in the in the arena
and she was talking about

597
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,960
Bubbles coming off the stage.
You remember that?

598
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,400
And he's like, fucking Bubbles.
I'm the Prince of darkness.

599
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,719
But that was that was genuine.
Like you couldn't write like

600
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,360
most reality shows, you have to
script and write otherwise you

601
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,800
have no plots and no relevance
and doesn't.

602
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,239
But Ozzy was so raw and genuine
and he had such a strong

603
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,360
presence, even though half time
he couldn't understand what you

604
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,719
said and what he said, but you
still hung on the seat because

605
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,159
you're trying to pick up what he
said.

606
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,480
Because, you know, I mean, the
fact that they let that shit fly

607
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,480
at a time where censorship was
so high.

608
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:43,000
I mean, it was, you know, there
were episodes where every other,

609
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,480
every 3rd words were bleeped
out.

610
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,880
But that showed the world.
I think here's a real human

611
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,199
being.
Yes, he's a rock star.

612
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,440
Yes, he's, he's one of the, the,
the icons that's credited with,

613
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,600
with founding heavy metal.
But he's got, he's got 5 fucking

614
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,120
little dogs and, and five kids
and an annoying wife.

615
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,120
And they're going around this
house and it's, it's you know,

616
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,040
and then it's, it was a cool
show because it, it took him to

617
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,400
a whole nother level, which is
the brilliance of Sharon because

618
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,960
she obviously was behind that.
Right.

619
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,960
Yeah, for sure.
And then, and then he did this

620
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,040
stuff with Jack, Jack and
Ozzie's Road Rd. tour, whatever

621
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,360
it was.
Yeah, yeah.

622
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:19,880
Which was great because there's
a whole a whole other dynamic of

623
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,280
a father and son, you know,
enjoying time to get an

624
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,240
exploring shit.
So.

625
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,560
And he throw the music in it and
then you look at the music

626
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,840
catalog, I saw something after
his death.

627
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,480
It would take, I think it was 23
consecutive hours of listening

628
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:38,360
to music to actually touch every
single song Ozzy sang on from

629
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,400
the Sabbath to solo.
So the impact of that, Right.

630
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:43,680
Yeah.
So that's the thing.

631
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,160
And when you talk about impact
of something, you don't realize

632
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:49,440
their impact until they're gone.
And it's like, holy shit, you

633
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,720
know, it's just mind boggling.
And, and the fact that the

634
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:57,360
people that passed before him
that were huge, like Van Halen,

635
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:02,240
Eddie Van Halen was huge, right?
But the, there was nothing like

636
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:04,000
what Ozzy had as a funeral
service.

637
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,640
I don't remember what, what Van
Halen's family did for him, but

638
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,000
it just, you know, it's, it's
one of those things that it's

639
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,840
very rare that you see that
amount of of people come out for

640
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,760
basically an entertainer that,
you know, but you got to put him

641
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,960
up with the Elvis level, right?
Because yeah, you just have to,

642
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:27,840
he's a, he's basically a
singular phenomenon and he's,

643
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,360
he's a singular force.
And you know, the, the music by

644
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,240
itself, the music could speak
for itself and it's influence

645
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,400
all the Hard Rock and heavy
metal that came after it.

646
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,720
But like you said, with the
Osbournes, like pop culture,

647
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:48,840
what he, what he he basically,
you know, outgrew himself and

648
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,520
outgrew the music to become like
a a symbol.

649
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,240
And even that's.
What I was just going to say.

650
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:57,560
Even the funny old guy people
that don't speak right.

651
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,720
People that don't even know who
Ozzy or don't even know his

652
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:04,960
music knew who he was, right?
Exactly.

653
00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:09,400
And I think that's, you know,
that's as simple A testimony to

654
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,920
someone's influence and
greatness as as there can be.

655
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,800
No question.
Yeah, and the personality and

656
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,840
the personality, right, right.
I would be surprised.

657
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,640
Like there's, there's rumors
that there's 20,000 Venice songs

658
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,720
in Eddie Van Halen's vault that,
you know, who knows how that'll

659
00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:29,280
ever come out because the way he
kept notes and shit or

660
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,720
catalogued it.
But I, I, I, you got to think

661
00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:35,640
Ozzy has, has a deep rooted
vault just like Prince has a

662
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,960
deep rooted vault, right.
But everybody that's that's

663
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,480
somebody in in that, that that's
that reached that level, you got

664
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,200
to think that Jesus, if they
weren't out recording or weren't

665
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,560
out playing, they were home
recording and writing and shit.

666
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,600
Because you just when you get to
the level, I don't think you

667
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,480
could turn it off.
I don't think you want to turn

668
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:52,240
it off.
No.

669
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,320
Right.
And I think with Prince,

670
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,760
because, you know, he, he tried
to write a song every day.

671
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,800
And so if he's writing a song
every day, he would recording a

672
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,240
song every day, right.
And I, I think with him, like,

673
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,120
he probably released about 10
albums in a row that we don't

674
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,920
really think are even that good
because he had to compete with

675
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:18,120
himself, right.
And which, you know, I, I think

676
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,880
Purple Rain might even be like
the best album ever start to

677
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,000
finish.
It's one of those albums.

678
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:24,600
Yeah.
Yeah.

679
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,280
It's one of those just basically
perfect albums.

680
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,440
And so it makes me wonder, like,
what is in that vault?

681
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,240
Yeah.
Because, you know, 10 years

682
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:36,840
before he died, people would
talk about the vault and how

683
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,040
much music we haven't even
heard.

684
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:40,800
Yeah.
And because he didn't have a

685
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,760
producer that sat there and told
him, you know, maybe you don't

686
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,600
put this song in an album.
How many of those songs a

687
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,080
producer would have said, don't
you understand, would be, like,

688
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,480
the Best Song of the year?
And he was like, no, I'm not.

689
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:56,360
Yeah, that's a great point.
Yeah, that is a great point.

690
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,040
Nice job, William.
Thank you.

691
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,640
I never thought of it.
I never thought of it that way.

692
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,960
I never thought of it that way.
And that's the so that's can be

693
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,000
said the same thing with Ozzy
and, yeah, with Ozzy and Eddie

694
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,000
Van Halen, like, you know, but
it's not the same now that

695
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,520
they're gone.
You know, the world got quiet

696
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,080
when Ozzy died.
I was my first thing.

697
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,320
Like, the world just got
quieter.

698
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,760
Yeah.
And because he was able to have

699
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,800
a full life and it wasn't some
shock that happened, you know,

700
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,000
just out of the blue, right?
You would expect it to be less

701
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,960
tragic or, you know, less of a
let down, but man it.

702
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,080
Sucked.
Like we all know we, but we all

703
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,520
knew it was coming.
I mean, it's, it's the, the way

704
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,680
he he lived.
He epitomized the rock'n'roll

705
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,920
lifestyle, right?
But I think you just said it.

706
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,760
We didn't expect it.
We were going to understand at

707
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,720
that moment, everybody who was
that close to Ozzy that the

708
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:51,560
world would get that.
You know, you're not going to

709
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,760
hear that voice anymore.
What you just said is very

710
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,600
profound.
It got quieter.

711
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,640
Yeah.
You're not going to have that

712
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,400
push back.
And he did it in such an

713
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,240
intelligent way, whether he knew
it or not.

714
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,920
He didn't push back so hard that
he wasn't taken seriously.

715
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,080
Right.
Right.

716
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,560
Yeah.
Somehow we looked at him like we

717
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,040
looked at him as somewhat of a
fool and the most intelligent

718
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,880
person we have ever known at the
same time.

719
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,880
Right, right.
So I think he had the world by

720
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,640
the balls.
He got to have fun and teach us

721
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:29,000
something at the same time.
Yeah, and and not be some kind

722
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,480
of rock star tragedy, but I
think it's amazing when you

723
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,720
think about how, you know, he
didn't die young.

724
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,240
None of the guys in Motley died
young.

725
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,120
That they're all still here is
just unbelievable.

726
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,920
It makes you wonder if it's the
lifestyle that actually can keep

727
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,680
you alive like that or if
they're just, if they were just

728
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:55,600
meant to be these superhuman
Viking, you know, Raiders that

729
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,000
went from town to town basically
destroying themselves along with

730
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,120
with, you know, 20,000 people
one night.

731
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,120
Well, and it's catching, it's
catching up to him.

732
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,640
To me, Mick Mars is, I mean, his
health has degenerated for

733
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,200
years.
And now you got to all the all

734
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,800
those stories about Vince Neil
having 4 strokes, not just one

735
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,440
but 4.
But I mean, I mean that dudes

736
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,120
the epitome of unhealth, man.
You look at us like dude, like,

737
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,400
come on, man.
Just I mean, you were, I don't

738
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,840
like the lover boys lead singer
Michael, you know, you see him

739
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,560
and it's like, holy shit, what
happened to you dude?

740
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:26,000
Like you, you're these icons.
How can you let yourself go so

741
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,160
far that way when you're this,
this, I mean, and you always

742
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,760
will be an icon.
Like, like it's just you're

743
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,720
always having something attached
to because of what you did as a

744
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:38,920
live for your living for your
entire life, right.

745
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,800
It's it's sad to see people like
Vince Neil that are, I mean,

746
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,200
because to me, from a singing
standpoint, I'm am I, I equate,

747
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,440
OK, you're out of shape, so far
out of shape.

748
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,560
That's affecting how you sound.
It's affecting how you sing.

749
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,320
It's affecting how you breathe.
Just listen to some of those

750
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:54,960
live performances.
They're horrible.

751
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:55,760
It's.
Right.

752
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,240
And it's horrible, right.
And the breathing and the and

753
00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:03,360
the the, the strength of your
chord stuff is so important for

754
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,160
a singer.
It's just like, OK, you know,

755
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,400
Vince like and he doesn't, you
can't understand him.

756
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,040
He's like an audible.
It's just, yeah, it's pathetic.

757
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,160
It's like, dude, hang it up, go
away, don't come back because

758
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,680
you're destroying your legacy.
I mean, David Lee Roth is

759
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,120
destroying his legacy as the
greatest front man.

760
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,920
Whoever graced the stage.
You look up front man in the

761
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,720
dictionary, David Lee Roth.
As far as Rock'n'roll goes,

762
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:24,680
right?
Absolutely.

763
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:25,680
Right.
And then what?

764
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,680
And then you take the last 10
years, like dude, just, I mean,

765
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,840
and Mike and I've talked about
this toward Blue in the face

766
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,680
and, you know, apparently he's a
superhuman nice guy, very humble

767
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,040
and shit.
But it's like, dude, just give

768
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,040
it up now.
Just.

769
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,400
Just I can't argue with that
because if you listen to it,

770
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,320
it's horrible.
Just stop.

771
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,600
It's it's, he's not selling out
his shows.

772
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,200
It's people are just railing him
after the show.

773
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,880
It's like, dude, just go off in
the sunset, man.

774
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,320
Write your memoirs or something.
Do a little, you know, release

775
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:54,600
stuff you've never released
before.

776
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:59,000
But stop fucking touring, man.
It's yeah, it doesn't it doesn't

777
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,400
it's it's painful.
It's like a car crash.

778
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:02,720
Same with the scorpions class
man.

779
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:05,800
You Can't Sing anymore, man
fucking call it a day then still

780
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:11,320
call it a day from ACDC right.
I it's it's bad and and I feel

781
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:12,840
bad because I actually never got
this.

782
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,320
The ACDC live.
Oh, they're amazing.

783
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:21,480
And now when I see the videos of
this last tour, Oh my God, like

784
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,560
that's because he's all that's
because he's all throat man.

785
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,840
It's like, actually, you can't,
you can't sustain.

786
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,640
Like when Shinedown first came
out, I, I made a comment to Mike

787
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,680
like this too.
It's not going to last, but he

788
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,160
learned how to sing with his
throat and his diaphragm in the

789
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,680
full voice and he's sustained
the test of time.

790
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,800
Axel didn't do that.
David Roth doesn't do that.

791
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,080
Brian Johnson doesn't do that.
Cobain could would not be able

792
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,600
to sing like he sung and the
debut album today if he was

793
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,600
still around.
You just can't.

794
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:51,880
You can't sustain that rasp
because I had part of that was

795
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,560
part of my my structure of a
singer.

796
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,240
I had that raspy, you know, that
fucking gutter roll.

797
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,680
I can, I can do that shit now,
man.

798
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,680
I'll try to hold that shit.
I'll start coughing because you

799
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,600
just, you just it, you can't,
you can't sustain it for 30

800
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,240
years and still sound the same.
When Steven Tyler did the thing

801
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:13,320
with with Youngblood and stuff
that medley, Mike and I are

802
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,120
watching that together at the
same time and it's like waiting

803
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,600
for him to hit that note.
Waiting, waiting.

804
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:18,920
And then he hit it.
It's like sweet.

805
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,160
But that's because he probably
doesn't sing in like 6 months,

806
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,840
right?
You know, he cancelled, they

807
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,240
cancelled the Aerosmith tour
because of his voice.

808
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,960
Because exactly.
You're, you're proving your own

809
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,840
point because he couldn't do
that night after night after

810
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,680
night after night anymore.
He can do it one time and maybe

811
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,240
a month, or one time every two.
Months or yeah, And the entire

812
00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:41,800
catalog is him.
Is him going up that ladder man,

813
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,840
you just you know the guys that
were able to push their voices

814
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:54,400
to these just ungodly levels are
the ones that suffered later and

815
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,440
and us and fans were like you
know well how come you can't

816
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,000
just sing the way you used to
because.

817
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,120
Because you're not 25 years old.
Anymore, like I, I hadn't

818
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,040
realized it, but Chris Cornell,
who I think is one of the best

819
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:13,320
singers ever of any genre, I've
gone back in and watched some

820
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,440
video of the last two where they
did.

821
00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:17,600
Yeah.
And I was like, yeah, right.

822
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,520
Maybe.
Maybe it actually wasn't as good

823
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,720
as I thought it was when I was
actually in the in the crowd.

824
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,520
Right.
But, and one thing I'll say in

825
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:33,520
his defense is his ex was saying
that she was 100% confident that

826
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,960
they were way over prescribing
like his benzodiazepine shit

827
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,800
that he was taking.
And so he might have been so out

828
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,200
of his fucking mind that he
didn't know how to sing the way

829
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,720
that he used to anymore too.
Because I went down that road

830
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:51,520
for a while.
I never abused him, but I used

831
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,000
them to get my life back on
track for a while.

832
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,560
And the one thing that I'll say
about those is they make you

833
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,240
kind of feel nothing for a
while.

834
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:00,960
You know, you just don't want to
do anything.

835
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,240
You're not sad anymore, but
you're not wanting to really be

836
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,960
productive and creative either.
So about the time you saw him,

837
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,960
he might have been, yeah.
He might have been going through

838
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,760
a period where he was just numb.
And the fact that he either took

839
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:20,000
too many accidentally or did it
on purpose proves that he was in

840
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,200
a place in his head where he
just wasn't happy, you know?

841
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,280
Right, Come on, he's, he's the
same example of him too, right?

842
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:29,920
What he did when they first came
out.

843
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,680
And you gotta remember, too, the
Seattle Sound.

844
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,600
That was around what, 55510?
I heard the sound start.

845
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,360
Breaking.
This is going to be fascinating

846
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,280
to people.
I actually heard Soundgarden.

847
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,480
I basically live in the middle
of a cornfield here.

848
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,720
There's 12,000 people in my town
in 1987.

849
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:50,480
Yeah, my buddy Mike Wagner had a
cassette and we popped it in his

850
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,120
stereo in his bedroom and he
cranked it up and Loud Love came

851
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,760
on and I was like, holy fuck.
He.

852
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,280
Changed the world, man that.
Reference.

853
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:01,200
Captured me.
Right.

854
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,040
And that took and that took how
long?

855
00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:05,920
Wouldn't they hit 90?
It was really Darden.

856
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:10,920
Basically didn't get popular
until 93. 92 So there you go.

857
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,000
There you go.
OK, so there you go.

858
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,920
There's ten years, right?
There's or five, five years,

859
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,120
five years, that's what I'm
saying.

860
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,920
So, but so all the, all the
singing you did as a, as a

861
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,760
young, you know, I don't know,
young person, let's call it

862
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,320
right.
And then he died.

863
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,120
How old?
When he was 504550?

864
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,200
Somewhere around there, yeah.
Mid 40s?

865
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,280
Maybe so.
You know, so you're going to so

866
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,480
OK, so figure 35 plus years of
singing and he was, he was, he

867
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,120
was a lot of throat singer.
You know, he still had the the

868
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,040
other part elements to it, but a
lot of the the the power, like

869
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:51,040
Axel 77 octave range, fantastic.
But he can't do anymore.

870
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,840
And then you see those things on
Facebook, Instagram, all before

871
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:54,960
auto tune.
All he's doing is screaming.

872
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:55,960
It's all he's doing is
screaming.

873
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,880
Man, You don't need to auto tune
a scream like shut up.

874
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,720
Find a fucking song where you're
singing OK, before auto tune,

875
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,600
like patience that showed the
dynamic of his voice.

876
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,960
But just but you know, they do
the the welcome to the jungle

877
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,600
scream.
Like really, who's going to auto

878
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,800
tune a scream anyway, you
idiots?

879
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,880
And yeah, and now watching him
do that is it's painful.

880
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,160
It's very painful.
It's painful.

881
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,680
But at the time he had to hit
that note in key.

882
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:25,680
Sure, sure.
Right.

883
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,480
Yeah.
And, and there weren't many

884
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,120
people that could do it like.
That.

885
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,120
No, absolutely not.
No, when he when the Appetite

886
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,600
came out doing that, when you
saw that video on MTV, it's

887
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,840
like, holy shit.
Changed the world like like.

888
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,160
What?
Yeah, I just read that.

889
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,000
I didn't know this.
That's the best selling debut

890
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,840
album of all time.
They surpassed Boston.

891
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,560
It's kind of surprising at all.
16,000,000 to 18,000,000 So

892
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,640
Appetite sold 18,000,000, two
million more copies than

893
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,520
Boston's debut album, which was
The King Forever.

894
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:59,000
Just in the US, yes, it's not
even including worldwide sales.

895
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,080
So, yeah, I mean, no, that's a
that was a phenomenon that that

896
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,200
needed to happen kind of like.
That have.

897
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,840
Before gruns hit, I think is
Guns and Roses, yeah.

898
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,920
You know, the other important
album, at least in my mind, is

899
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,960
the Black Crows first album,
because Appetite and the first

900
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:24,280
Black Crows album came out in
the middle of all the 80s bands

901
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,120
starting to sound exactly the
same.

902
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,520
Right, and and look the same.
Yes.

903
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:35,880
Even Ozzy wore sequence, Yes.
He did. 86 The Ultimate saying

904
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,080
The ultimate said well, I love
that album.

905
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:39,560
He hates it.
He absolutely.

906
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,200
I hated it.
I love that album.

907
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,760
Me too, I love.
It's got a lot of hooks on it,

908
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:44,600
man.
It's got a lot of.

909
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,480
I remember begging my parents to
buy me a ticket to that concert.

910
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,560
It was at 86 in Lubbock and that
was a no go.

911
00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:55,520
Iron Maiden that same year was a
no go.

912
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,480
Oh.
It it, it took moving to Dallas,

913
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,560
Fort Worth and and, you know,
getting a little bit older to to

914
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,720
finally get tickets to shows.
And then I think after 92, I

915
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:09,320
just didn't stop going to shows.
I was.

916
00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:11,680
Yeah.
Concerts are are are such an

917
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,160
amazing thing.
So you're old.

918
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,320
You're old enough to remember.
Yeah.

919
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,760
So you're old enough to remember
the paper tickets, right.

920
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,600
Like, like when I got rushed,
when I, when I got rushed

921
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,520
tickets, right.
They would be Glitter.

922
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,720
The name would be in Glitter.
Yeah, right.

923
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:28,960
Fucking glitter.
Imagine the ticket people at

924
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,560
Dillard's because got it from
Dillard's box office.

925
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,560
Fucking glue glitter, fuck.
And just sit there doing it for

926
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,920
hours because how somebody had
to do it, right?

927
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:40,560
And here's your ticket to rush.
It was like $5 in this glitter.

928
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,520
And then they ripped it that
that when you walked in the

929
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,280
doors like, oh, I wanted to save
that.

930
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,240
And every ticket on top of
another one is kind of just

931
00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:49,800
shaving it off little by little.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

932
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,160
Glitter everywhere that rush
went.

933
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,840
Yeah, I remember that shit, man.
We still did paper tickets.

934
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:57,640
We did.
We were.

935
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:59,960
Selling them somewhere.
Yeah, I do too.

936
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,200
Yeah.
Oh, wow, that's awesome.

937
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:07,600
Yeah, just dated ourselves, man.
Oh, so this actually, this is

938
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,840
very cool that we're doing this
on this day.

939
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,680
Yeah.
Because Friday, September 26th

940
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:21,080
is the 28th anniversary to the
day of our very first show is

941
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,960
House Divided.
Oh, right on.

942
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,360
That's awesome.
The tattoo bar in Fort Worth,

943
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:31,520
which at one point was owned by
Dimebag, Daryl and and a guy

944
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,640
named Randy.
So Dimebag bought it for his

945
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:39,520
girlfriend Rita Cool and she she
Co owned it with Randy and he

946
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,360
had actually written on the back
of an autograph that he gave me

947
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,320
the number of the bar to ask for
Rita.

948
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,760
And by the time I'd gotten up
the nerve to actually take our

949
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:55,560
demo tape to her, she had sold
her half to Randy.

950
00:51:55,560 --> 00:52:00,120
And he owned it outright.
But Diane had told them that

951
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,960
he'd heard our demo, and he
thought it was awesome.

952
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,640
He gave it a listen and called
me on a Tuesday and was like,

953
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,240
hey, can you play?
And I was like, yeah, we can

954
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:15,720
play, you know what month?
And he was like Friday, this is

955
00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:17,200
on a Tuesday.
OK.

956
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,840
Right on.
You know, the band gathered our

957
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,960
rehearsal room in Dallas and
knocked out the set list, then

958
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:27,360
probably played it twice a day
for those three days until we

959
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,360
debuted a 28 years ago today.
That's.

960
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,720
Awesome man, that is awesome.
That was a great deal the the

961
00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:41,840
first show I and you know what's
funny is that eventually we

962
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,600
stopped being a band for all
intents and purposes.

963
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,760
I still write music.
I still, I still have the plan

964
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,280
to record it and I'm going to
record it.

965
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:55,120
But I, you know, after I've been
unemployed for however many

966
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,320
months, 11 months, one of the
first things I did when I got

967
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:03,120
some of my 4 O 1K money was buy
the stuff I need to record at

968
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,360
home.
As it seems like everyone else

969
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:09,040
in the world is doing it.
I need to actually catch up and

970
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,600
start doing it.
And so I did that and wrote a

971
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,800
book instead.
OK, so let's talk about the

972
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:16,920
book.
What's the title of the book?

973
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,000
So the title of the book is
House of the Black Moon.

974
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,920
OK.
The origin of the book actually

975
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,520
comes from a song I wrote.
Me and my wife have been

976
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,640
watching a bunch of True Blood
and some vampire movies.

977
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,560
Yeah.
And I wrote this song that I, I

978
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,160
could, I didn't know it at
first, but like the character in

979
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,640
the song, I was like, I think
I'm writing about a vampire, OK.

980
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:45,160
And something told me about this
simple, simple 4 minute song.

981
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,440
I was like, this guy's story has
a bigger story.

982
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,000
And so I just started piercing
it together in my head over the

983
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:57,360
course of like 2 years.
And then when I got laid off, I

984
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,560
was like, you know what, I have
the time to write the book now.

985
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,760
There you go.
I don't know how to set up my

986
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:09,880
prologic and my Steven Slate
drums software, but I know how

987
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,080
to write on a piece of paper or
type on my laptop.

988
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,560
So I started writing this book.
I think I typed the first word

989
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:22,280
in November of 2024.
I typed the last word in April

990
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:28,560
and published it on May 24th.
And in that time and I've, I've

991
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,480
been told that that's like
really fast for writing your

992
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:36,360
first book or writing any book.
And I, I only know what I know.

993
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,040
So I think that that seems to be
the plan going forward because

994
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:44,680
now I'm writing the sequel to
that book and I can't stop

995
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,520
writing.
And I would, I never would have

996
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:52,400
been able to tell you like in a
million years that my guitar

997
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,480
would collect dust while I was
writing.

998
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,880
Yeah.
But now when I get a creative

999
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,920
urge, when I get, you know, that
mindset, Yeah, I'm not writing

1000
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,680
to the guitar anymore.
I'm running into my laptop and

1001
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,800
I'm writing like a a bona fide
author.

1002
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,480
And I don't or none.
I never knew that would happen.

1003
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,000
Yeah, I think.
And writing, I've written three

1004
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,640
books.
So it's a cool, it's a it's a

1005
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,240
cool approach.
And everyone's, everyone's

1006
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:20,000
different.
You know, my first one was

1007
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:24,680
poetry, and that that was
written probably, you know, over

1008
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,720
a course of three or four years
just because we went through my

1009
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:30,920
collection of poems and, you
know, then just figure what

1010
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,240
would work.
And then I wrote some more for

1011
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:33,760
the book and then there was
edits and stuff.

1012
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,320
So I don't know how long that
one actually took.

1013
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,560
The second one I wrote was a
psychological thriller that I

1014
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,320
actually wrote on a typewriter,
like straight up where you have,

1015
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,000
yeah, button for a race, you
know, and back it up.

1016
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,720
Yeah.
That was, that was, I don't

1017
00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:50,440
know, 3-4 hundred pages, but
they're kind of the same

1018
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,520
concept.
It's like you had the idea.

1019
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,520
So every night when it came home
from work, I was and I you know,

1020
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,320
it's always look at clocks 3 in
the morning, right?

1021
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,960
Gave it to and all my friends
were in it some way shape or

1022
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,920
form or character.
So I had given it, I loaned her

1023
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,360
to a friend to read and then
apparently he and his wife got

1024
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,440
in this big pissing match and
she fucking threw it in the

1025
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,400
charcoal grill.
And I'm like, that was that that

1026
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:10,720
was that.
So it was never and it was a

1027
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:14,680
great No, I mean, the the
premise of it was basically

1028
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,520
this, this it was in the
Catskills in New York, because I

1029
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,520
had a friend I worked with who
lived, who was from New York.

1030
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,120
So I was getting all this
descriptive, descriptive area,

1031
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,640
you know, from people I that
lived in, you know what I mean,

1032
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,680
this, you know, if you guys are
my friends at the time, you

1033
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,080
would have been tied to this
book somehow.

1034
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:34,200
So it was a a serial killer, but
he was, and this was before all

1035
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,280
the Dexter's and shit.
OK, so he's a serial killer.

1036
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,000
That was trust fund baby lived
in the, in the Catskills Hills

1037
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,200
of New York and, and he was an
artist.

1038
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,720
That was how he made his money,
trust fund baby.

1039
00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:47,240
But he just, he sustained
himself by art and he would do

1040
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,160
figures like, you know,
sculptures of people and stuff

1041
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:54,000
and they're always women and,
and really bizarre, you know,

1042
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,160
stances and whatnot.
And, and what it was the end of

1043
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:58,960
the day was he was killing these
women.

1044
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,520
He was allowing them to come in
and back to his house, serial

1045
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,360
killer killing those women all
the same way and bombing their

1046
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,400
bodies and basically posing
them.

1047
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,920
And then he would sculpture
around them and then he would

1048
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,320
name them the the name of the
woman was the name of the

1049
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:16,520
sculpture.
So as the book went on, the cops

1050
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,240
started figuring shit out.
Wait, wait a minute.

1051
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,160
You know, this chick named this
sculpture name Anna reflects

1052
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:22,760
this, this woman who
disappeared.

1053
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,640
And so eventually the way he
ended up getting caught is is

1054
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,880
somebody had bought one of his
statues at A at an exhibit and

1055
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:31,960
they were moving into the house.
As they moved into the house,

1056
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:37,400
the elbow hit the corner of of a
wall and then the the statue of

1057
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,720
material just faded away.
And there was the rotting elbow

1058
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,320
and then that, so that that
turned the whole thing into this

1059
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,160
mass of police, you know, and
then it took you down that path.

1060
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:50,640
And but, you know, it's, it's a
great fucking book, man.

1061
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:55,240
And it just, that's terrible.
You know, the fight, the fight

1062
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,640
they had, it wasn't about the
book.

1063
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:04,120
The book was just a victim of,
of the, of the, the aftermath of

1064
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,240
the fight.
I there was just no, you know,

1065
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,840
because he was just he his
character in the book was was

1066
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,680
carried just some some little,
you know.

1067
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:12,520
He's talking about the girl that
burned your book up.

1068
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,200
Yeah, I don't know.
I was him and Ernie were

1069
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:15,760
fighting.
And then when I asked him a

1070
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,120
couple, you know, weeks later on
my tune, I need my book back,

1071
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:19,320
man, because he had the only
copy.

1072
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,600
I hadn't, I hadn't gone to work
yet and photocopied it.

1073
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,680
And he's like, oh man, you know,
my girlfriend and I got in this

1074
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,960
big fight and, you know, and she
just fucking was throwing shit

1075
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:33,080
and yearbook landed in the fire
and she was killing me.

1076
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,800
And, you know, there it was.
That was it, you know, so I

1077
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,200
mean, it's still on the head,
but all the nuances of it all

1078
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,400
the because again, like my buddy
Chris Pasomas, he was the night

1079
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,520
he worked at the group home I
ran, he worked a night shift and

1080
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,000
he was from New York.
So when I was when I was writing

1081
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,280
and I'd come up to tell me
about, you know, this part of

1082
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,480
New York.
And so I was making sure my

1083
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,200
descriptions were tying with
what I was talking about.

1084
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,840
So when I wrote the third one,
which is the legend of Charles

1085
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,960
Ling, I actually wrote that
during COVID hit.

1086
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:02,880
And I kind of have the same
thing like I need to write this

1087
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,280
book because I had the idea
forever.

1088
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,880
So it probably took me a couple
months or so, but and I, Nikki

1089
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,480
and I would go somewhere and I,
and I would be on my iPad on my

1090
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,400
notes section.
And while she was driving, you

1091
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,280
know, and we would, I would
write it that way and we would

1092
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:15,800
just have conversations.
She's in it.

1093
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,320
So she kind of helped formulate
the ideas and the concepts

1094
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,760
behind it.
So it just depends when the muse

1095
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,200
strikes you, man, it could, you
could like I could write a song

1096
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,440
right now if the muse hit me
just because that's how it is

1097
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,160
with the creative side of our
brains, right?

1098
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,480
So right.
However you write is however you

1099
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,400
write, whether it takes you a
month or whether it takes you a

1100
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,120
year, the end product is what is
what matters the most.

1101
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,240
So whether you're fast or slow
or somewhere in between, it

1102
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:39,960
doesn't really matter.
It's just you're going at your

1103
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,520
pace and what you're feeling.
And I one thing that I don't

1104
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,200
know if you're like this, but I
never forced myself to write.

1105
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:47,680
Like I didn't sit down every
day.

1106
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,160
I have to write a chapter now.
I used to journal every day, but

1107
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,360
that was just kind of like, you
know, dear diary, here's my day.

1108
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:55,720
Right.
Well, that's why I always love

1109
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,480
when people are like, how come
you haven't released anything?

1110
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,960
Where's your music?
It doesn't work.

1111
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,160
It's not like going to a nine to
five job, right?

1112
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,840
No, you don't just get up and
write.

1113
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,240
I mean, some to Chris's point,
some people do.

1114
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,200
And fuck those people because
they have a gift, right?

1115
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,960
There's studios in Nashville
filled with people like that who

1116
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,000
can just come up with shit on a
moment's notice.

1117
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:23,000
So there are people out there
like that, but that's not how I

1118
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,240
think.
Chris just said it best.

1119
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,160
The muse has to strike you,
right?

1120
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,280
But I think those people that do
that on a day in and day out

1121
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:34,040
basis, they're so in tune with
that part of their brain that

1122
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,320
like when I was in Nashville
recording the second-half of the

1123
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,720
last band I was in the the sound
engineer and the and the, I

1124
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,840
forget what her name, what what
the chick did.

1125
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,400
They love my lyrics.
So I actually wrote 3 or 4 songs

1126
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,200
for them in those three days and
they went, recorded, came out

1127
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,040
with melodies and then started
to shop them around and sell

1128
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,720
them to country artists.
Because I, I, I just, I have the

1129
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:56,920
ability to just do that.
But it was in that moment in

1130
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,160
time, right?
So I think if you're, if you're

1131
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:03,000
in that moment in time and you,
you are somebody, like all you

1132
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,680
do for a living is write music
and perform, you're always going

1133
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,040
to have something going on in
your brain.

1134
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,480
You just always, because you
never shut it off, right yeah.

1135
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,480
You know, I, I think once you're
a musician, you never stop being

1136
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,640
a musician yeah.
And I think that's true with

1137
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:17,000
everything.
Once you're an actor, music,

1138
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:21,080
anything that requires you to be
a performer on some level, you

1139
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,720
never shut that off.
You just, you just don't because

1140
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,840
you always got to be in those
ideas flow those.

1141
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,320
I mean, cuz any given time, man,
you can write the greatest song

1142
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,560
that everybody's ever heard.
If you don't have something

1143
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,680
right down with it and you
forget it and you're all right.

1144
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,280
You know, like falling asleep.
This has happened.

1145
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:39,680
You will even falling asleep
Twilight.

1146
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:40,840
All of a sudden you get ideas in
your head.

1147
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,120
It's like, motherfucker, I'm
going to go to sleep.

1148
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,960
Oh yeah, for me, I don't.
Want it happens?

1149
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,160
Right.
Well, I would get riffs like in

1150
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:53,120
my head, like in the middle of a
work day, and I'd be like, oh

1151
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,120
man, this riff is so awesome.
I was like, I'm never going to

1152
01:01:56,120 --> 01:02:00,840
forget this, right?
And an hour later I'm like shit,

1153
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,080
damn it.
Sometimes as soon as you say

1154
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:04,760
you're never going to forget it,
it's gone.

1155
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:06,440
It's gone.
That's the jinx.

1156
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,720
I would I think I got to the
point where I was like at after

1157
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:13,200
writing 300 songs, I was like,
all of a sudden your your brain

1158
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:17,960
doesn't have room for all of
them for you to just remember

1159
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:22,440
all of them, you know, without
help, without, you know, some

1160
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,960
kind of sound to kick it back
into your memory.

1161
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:31,080
So, but then I wrote 300 more.
And so after 600 songs, I can't

1162
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,760
even remember a riff that I
think is the greatest riff I've

1163
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:35,880
ever written.
It doesn't mean the riff

1164
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:40,240
actually wasn't good, right?
It just, it just, there's no

1165
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,680
space for it anymore.
It's almost like if the brain

1166
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,440
was a computer and, you know, it
only holds so much.

1167
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it and it only holds so much

1168
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,960
data.
So I wrote, hell, I said I

1169
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,200
picked up the guitar and wrote
something yesterday and I, I

1170
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:59,200
like to, you know, kind of
compartmentalized songs, like

1171
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:00,960
into four different projects I
have.

1172
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:05,560
And I know when I'm actually
writing a house divided song

1173
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:09,400
because maybe it's the riff,
maybe it's just kind of the, the

1174
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,080
mood or the atmosphere or the
the emotion that brought it.

1175
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,760
I was like, this will be a house
divided song and I can't wait to

1176
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:19,240
show it to the guys because
maybe that'll be some kind of

1177
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,560
vehicle for kicking back up the
old band or whatever.

1178
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:25,440
And I was like, and it's so
good.

1179
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,520
I'm not going to forget it an
hour later.

1180
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:36,040
And and I could just use this
phone and recording on notes and

1181
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,640
it's but that's not part of
that's not my instinct.

1182
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:39,960
It's not second nature to me
yet.

1183
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,120
Nope.
So you got to get, you got to

1184
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:45,800
get the habit of doing that.
I probably have 500 ideas on my

1185
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:47,560
phone now.
Yeah, yeah.

1186
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,520
So here's what you do before you
start.

1187
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:54,480
Get in this habit.
Because everything is everything

1188
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,840
in life is habits, right?
So instead of picking up your

1189
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,960
guitar and plugging it in and
making that the first thing you

1190
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,680
do, start your voice memos
before you start doing anything.

1191
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:09,840
Right, that's smart and it's
simple and I just need to do it.

1192
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:15,040
So I I had the wrong approach.
I used to wait till something it

1193
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,240
inspired me and then hit my
voice memos.

1194
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:26,480
That totally kills your vibe #1
and #2 you don't catch what led

1195
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,400
up into that moment.
Because a lot of times there's

1196
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:33,120
things leading to that moment
that you love so much that are

1197
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,840
equally as valuable, and you
don't want to lose those.

1198
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,440
Chris likes to call them golden
moments.

1199
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:44,600
For me, because I'm playing so
much less than I used to, I know

1200
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,760
that if I go a week or two
without picking up the guitar,

1201
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,560
that when I do pick it up, I'm
going to have ideas just

1202
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:55,800
flowing, just coming out.
And I need to actually do the

1203
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,600
voice memo thing when that
happens, because if I know

1204
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,320
they're coming then I should
capture them right away.

1205
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,080
Yeah, so just start that and
then plug your guitar in and

1206
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,640
start playing and Yep, go to
town.

1207
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,880
So that I was telling you that
the book was actually inspired

1208
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:13,320
by a song.
Yeah.

1209
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:17,920
In turn, the book actually
inspired about four other songs.

1210
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:21,040
Right on.
So that I'm hoping before

1211
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:28,080
Christmas to actually record and
release an EP of like, House of

1212
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,240
the Black Moon EP songs inspired
by the book.

1213
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:36,400
And it'll be, yeah, like a, a
1-2 punch, like a William

1214
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,280
Chandler version of Operation
Mind Crime.

1215
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:40,160
Exactly.
Yeah.

1216
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:43,600
Not nice.
What's funny is that song that I

1217
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:47,880
had sent you guys, the the
engineer who's a really

1218
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,560
respected guy here in Fort
Worth, he was like the vocals.

1219
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:55,200
He's like, I'm hearing kind of
like a Geoff Tate vocal.

1220
01:05:55,760 --> 01:06:02,480
And I could have died and, like,
been perfectly happy and never,

1221
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:07,920
ever to be compared to him.
And this is the same guy that,

1222
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,720
you know, like 10 years earlier
had told me you should probably

1223
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,840
get someone else to sing your
songs because I, I don't think

1224
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,600
you got it.
And then to have him compare me

1225
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:21,360
to Jeff Pate.
It was like a heavenly comment.

1226
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,120
And I actually don't hear it in
the song, but, you know, I'll.

1227
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,240
I'll take it.
Absolutely.

1228
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:27,960
Yeah, that's cool.
I didn't.

1229
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:29,960
But see, I never heard.
I never heard that I had a

1230
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,520
Southern drawl when I sang.
But people, so many people told

1231
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,000
me you sound like a Southern
rocker.

1232
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,920
That's like, OK.
And I don't, I don't hear it.

1233
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:40,160
But everybody, everybody hears
it, which is which is why it

1234
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:44,200
fits so well with what what we
created in Nemesis, because it

1235
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:48,560
was an authentic sound for that
type of rock band, you know.

1236
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:55,360
OK, so I'd heard the the name
Nemesis, but I'd never listened

1237
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:58,320
to you guys.
So if I was asking you what was

1238
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,280
your mains down?
What did you sound like?

1239
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,520
We sounded like Creed.
That's that's that whole

1240
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:04,000
concept.
We sounded like we were better

1241
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:05,880
than Creed.
I have a better range than Scott

1242
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:09,320
Stapp.
But at the time, how I wrote was

1243
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,480
how Stapp writes.
It's about life and religion and

1244
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,680
it's not about partying, getting
drunk, getting laid.

1245
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:18,960
Right, Right.
It was very descriptive in, in,

1246
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:21,920
in how I would write my songs.
They would, they would

1247
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:25,040
storytelling in, in a
rock'n'roll type thing, like the

1248
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:28,920
song you heard of Freeman.
You know, I don't, I don't like

1249
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:30,800
to explain to people what it is
because I want them to have

1250
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:35,320
their own interpretation of it.
But it's, it's, it's, it's

1251
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:39,160
basically, it was me at a point
in my life where I was just

1252
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,320
tired of being told what to do
and how to do it.

1253
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,040
And I'm just fucking, I'm going
to be a free man.

1254
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:45,560
I'm going to, I'm going to do
what I want.

1255
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:51,240
I just, you know, it's just,
I've Mickey, my wife has always

1256
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:53,200
said this thing about me.
You either love or hate me.

1257
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,440
There's no in between.
There's, there's no, there's no

1258
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,040
Gray.
And part of those that that hate

1259
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:59,480
me is because I just, I don't
have a filter and I don't know

1260
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:03,440
how to control my filter.
I've learned over the years to

1261
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,000
silence myself.
I did something last week where

1262
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:10,640
I was like, Oh, I didn't say
that, you know, but it's just,

1263
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,320
but it's just a thing.
I'm going to be a free man.

1264
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,040
I'm going to, you know, I'm
going to just, I want to be

1265
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:16,359
free.
I want to be free of all these

1266
01:08:16,359 --> 01:08:18,760
rules and these restrictions
and, and how you're telling me

1267
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:24,840
to live just just, you know, so
they're a piece.

1268
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:26,920
They were a piece of my soul.
And then there's so when I gave

1269
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,720
him the mic and then he realized
as he read them and, and, and

1270
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:31,960
heard me sing them.
That's why number 1, he said it

1271
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:35,240
never got tired because I
approached every show like this

1272
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:36,760
is it this is the last time
we're going to play live.

1273
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,760
So I sung those songs and that's
why I was never really big in

1274
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:43,000
the covers because I couldn't I
couldn't immerse myself into a

1275
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:46,319
cover like I could immerse
myself into something I wrote

1276
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:50,040
because I live that.
So that's so from from a music

1277
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,200
standpoint, it's hard to say
because Mike create his own

1278
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:55,240
sound because he's he's doesn't
play anybody else's music.

1279
01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:57,720
He created his own thing and
people tell him he created his

1280
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:01,319
own thing and we were around
when when the Tempe music's name

1281
01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:03,960
was exploding with the gym
blossoms and and refreshments

1282
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:05,840
and dead how it works.
So we weren't that Tempe Jingle

1283
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:07,359
Jingle sound.
We were straight up, just in

1284
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:09,840
your face rock, which is why we
could play with bands like

1285
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,520
Sacred Rike all the way to
enough's Enough to Marshall

1286
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,160
Tucker Band, Tony McAlpine,
everybody in between because we

1287
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:18,080
just we we weren't locked in a
category.

1288
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,200
So we definitely weren't scared
to step on a stage.

1289
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:22,720
Wouldn't we?
No, no.

1290
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:26,000
So that was that thing that the
only really way to explain it is

1291
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:27,760
we were Creed before Creed was
Creed.

1292
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:32,680
But I think our product was, and
it's going to sound bold as

1293
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:35,640
fuck, but I think our if our
first album, if we ever released

1294
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,040
it, I think would have would
have went toe to toe with my own

1295
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,680
prison just because every song
that we played was so well

1296
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:46,000
received over and over and over
again with people that never saw

1297
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:47,319
us would and you know what I
mean?

1298
01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:50,200
And then just you, you go from
playing with two people and then

1299
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:54,080
playing in front of 1000 and
even more in a short amount of

1300
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,520
time that happened.
Within six months of right.

1301
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:59,360
So it shows you the man, the,
the music is what bringing

1302
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,040
people in is, is it's, it's not
my antics.

1303
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:06,040
It's not, you know, Scott's
drumming or, or Mike's solos and

1304
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,560
shit.
It's the whole element and the

1305
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,880
fact that we had this polished
product that we put on

1306
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,040
regardless every night,
regardless of how we were

1307
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:15,920
feeling, whether we are had a
shit day or whether I had a cold

1308
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,240
mic, it didn't matter.
It's like once, once it was our

1309
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,080
time.
Those 40 minutes, hour, whatever

1310
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:24,280
it was, it was like non-stop.
The first 3 songs out the gate,

1311
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:26,400
no words to the crowd.
It's just boom, boom, boom,

1312
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:27,800
boom.
Didn't I'm like how you doing?

1313
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,680
And they're just like, you know,
remember that, that Maxwell

1314
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:33,880
commercials or Memorex.
Is it live or Memorex with the

1315
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:37,680
guys in the chair and the hairs?
Yeah, that's what we did.

1316
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,480
That's what we did.
And but that alone, I think

1317
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:44,680
helped build us a following so.
And those parts were planned.

1318
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:46,600
I mean we, we thought this shit
out.

1319
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:50,320
We're we all agreed as a group,
let's go out there and just kick

1320
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,920
their ass for like 11 straight
minutes of our set.

1321
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:56,480
Even if our sets only 20 minutes
long, we still kick their ass

1322
01:10:56,480 --> 01:10:58,800
for the 1st 11 minutes.
Nice.

1323
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:05,640
And so that's like, yeah, having
been in bands, you're going to

1324
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,120
find this fascinating.
But there was never any.

1325
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:11,320
Nobody ran that band.
Scott and I formed that band

1326
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:12,920
only because we were there
first.

1327
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:19,800
We didn't neither one of us were
like, we have 50% of the vote

1328
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:23,280
and then you 2 have 25.
It wasn't like everybody had an

1329
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:28,440
equal 25% vote if you if three
people didn't like it and one

1330
01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:32,200
person liked it, that one person
either had to live with it or

1331
01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:36,120
explain their side of it again
to get the other three to buy

1332
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:38,120
into it.
Right, right.

1333
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,000
And it was.
Always what was best for the

1334
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:41,880
song, yeah.
Yeah.

1335
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:47,360
And, and I think that's probably
another direction I went wrong

1336
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,760
was that, and even if it, I
don't think it was the reality,

1337
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:53,280
but the perception was that I
wouldn't listen to someone

1338
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:56,040
else's opinion or that I
wouldn't take them seriously.

1339
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,000
And I think the other guys
probably just stopped.

1340
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:02,240
Yeah, giving their input after a
while because they figured I was

1341
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:07,640
going to try to shoot it down or
or put my own stamp on it and

1342
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:10,960
kind of to make it mine.
And, you know, growing up and

1343
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:14,120
maturing and seeing things from
other people perspectives.

1344
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,400
Let me know.
Like, you know, maybe I

1345
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:19,600
definitely should have listened
at this point, should have

1346
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:23,560
listened at this point and, and
not tried to to take over too

1347
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:25,240
much.
But at the time, I felt that I

1348
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:29,080
was the only one who actually
was trying to make this work and

1349
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:32,000
and make it an actual thing and.
See, I didn't have.

1350
01:12:32,440 --> 01:12:34,440
A Jobs.
I didn't have that problem,

1351
01:12:34,440 --> 01:12:38,760
William, but I'll tell you where
I would have never had that

1352
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:44,000
problem because my gift was
whether it was true or not, I

1353
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,560
never thought I was good enough
to be that person, right?

1354
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,840
I always felt blessed that these
three guys were standing in

1355
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:53,520
front of me because in my eyes
they were all better musicians

1356
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,960
than me, everyone.
But see, but see, that's, that

1357
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,200
was the mindset of us when none
of us had an ego.

1358
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,080
I did not have LSD, right?
I did not have lead singer's

1359
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:04,920
disease, right?
I, I knew what I did, nobody

1360
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:07,040
else could do.
But it was from a vantage point

1361
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:09,600
of because that's, that's
because I own what I do.

1362
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:11,480
It's I'm not the greatest singer
in the world.

1363
01:13:11,480 --> 01:13:13,200
I'm the greatest lyricist, the
one that come with the best

1364
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:17,000
melodies in the world.
But I knew my role and I enjoyed

1365
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:18,680
what I did.
I just wanted to jam.

1366
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,440
And I mean, that was whenever
there was any type of like

1367
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:24,040
little scuffle, I'm like, fuck
it, let's just go jam, man.

1368
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:24,960
Let's shut up.
Let's go.

1369
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:28,040
He did have that gift.
Because I just, I just liked

1370
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,280
being on stage.
I just liked performing in front

1371
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:31,800
of people.
And at the end of the day,

1372
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:33,880
that's all I cared about was
just jamming.

1373
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:37,240
So we didn't have, we were
blessed enough not to have those

1374
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,720
egos in.
And you know, the the

1375
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:43,080
infighting, the Yoko Ona
moments, because none of us had

1376
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,360
an ego.
None of us approached like like

1377
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,600
my last band, I was in it
derailed because of the guitar

1378
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,120
players thought he was Eddie Van
Halen.

1379
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:53,000
And he has had one fits the door
and he had temper tantrums.

1380
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:54,640
So finally I was just like, fuck
you, dude.

1381
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,640
We lost, we almost lost two
members when we were in Sturgis.

1382
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,960
And then we lost one.
We came back and then that was

1383
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,960
replaced.
And then it's just, it just,

1384
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:07,920
it's just, you know, it's just
your ego destroys everything.

1385
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:12,160
Well, here's a great example of
what Chris just brought up, a

1386
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,680
great example for young
musicians out there, old

1387
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:19,720
musicians, whatever.
If you're if you think that

1388
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:23,880
you're so important to the band
that without you they can't go

1389
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,880
on, you're going to fail.
Yeah, right.

1390
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:32,760
And on the flip side of that, as
the band give, if like Chris

1391
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,680
doesn't play an instrument, he
was our front man, right?

1392
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:37,920
He's our singer.
He's the guy that makes sure

1393
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:40,240
that the show goes off without a
hitch.

1394
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,200
Give that person the power to do
that.

1395
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:47,000
When we stepped on the stage, I
expected him to be larger than

1396
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:50,800
life.
I expected him to act not

1397
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:54,640
egotistical, but I expected him
to be larger than life, right.

1398
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:59,720
I wasn't from absolutely.
So in the audiences eyes they

1399
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:01,480
were like, oh wow, that's his
band.

1400
01:15:01,480 --> 01:15:03,840
You know, that's how I wanted it
to look.

1401
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:08,840
Was this is Chris Dunham's band
we were fronting?

1402
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,600
No, but that's how.
The right, right, right.

1403
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:13,720
And and yeah, you.
Know, and we made it look that

1404
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,280
way, but when we stepped off
stage and Chris started talking

1405
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:18,840
to people, they were always
fascinated that he wasn't like,

1406
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:20,840
oh, you know, don't talk to me
kind of guy, right?

1407
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:23,120
He'd be like, hey, what's up?
You want to go.

1408
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:24,880
Have a beer like yeah, nice to
meet you.

1409
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:29,880
You know, I, I think one, one
another thing that helped derail

1410
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:33,360
us, at least in the when it came
to playing live was so, you

1411
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:39,720
know, my two biggest, my 2 most
important influences as music

1412
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:44,720
came word Kiss and Pantera.
And I love both of those bands

1413
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:48,720
like to go out and not only
destroy the audience, but

1414
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:51,680
destroy the other bands that
were playing with them.

1415
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,400
Right.
Almost became like a like a

1416
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:58,440
competitive and the healthy
competition is fine, sure, But

1417
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:02,080
when when that's kind of what
you're that when that's your

1418
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:06,560
mindset going into a show.
We actually didn't become part

1419
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:10,840
of the scene and have all these
other bands that we were friends

1420
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:16,120
with, which we could have very
easily had if we just reached

1421
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:19,800
out to them or you know, like.
That's how we kept getting

1422
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:24,840
better and better shows as well.
The rhythm guitar player for

1423
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:28,040
Sacred Sacred Reich was actually
our sound man at the Mason Jar

1424
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,400
so.
Oh wow, so you loved us?

1425
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,640
Except when he told us so.
Except when he told us.

1426
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:37,240
Hey guys, get one more song, OK?
I got the song. 12 minutes later

1427
01:16:37,480 --> 01:16:39,880
it's like dude, don't ever play
that song again, OK?

1428
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:42,840
That's one of the best stories
that we got, man.

1429
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:44,760
He's like, you got one more
song.

1430
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,560
And Mike, yeah, Mike and I
looked each other in the Vine.

1431
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,200
I'm.
I'm gonna lay this story out.

1432
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:54,240
So you're opening up for the
most popular band in Phoenix of

1433
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:56,680
that style at the time.
Sacred Writing was it.

1434
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,200
They were formed there.
Flotsam and Jetsam was formed

1435
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:00,080
there, but they ended.
Up.

1436
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:03,320
Yeah, yeah.
They didn't get quite as big

1437
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:05,920
Sacred Reich in that music
genre.

1438
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:07,440
They were it.
Yeah.

1439
01:17:07,440 --> 01:17:11,160
And like Chris said, the rhythm
guitar player loved us.

1440
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:15,120
So they're on right after us.
He's like, hey, you guys got one

1441
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,800
more song.
And I looked at each other.

1442
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:19,400
We had just written this song,
and we loved it.

1443
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:22,280
We never got to play it in front
of people yet, so we started

1444
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:23,760
playing it.
And the son of a bitch was 12

1445
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,120
minutes long.
And it was awesome.

1446
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:28,960
That was a great song.
He could have burned a hole

1447
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:30,800
through US about halfway through
that song.

1448
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:33,040
He kept and I didn't really pay
attention to him.

1449
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:35,320
And then I saw him like, Oh
yeah, Oh yeah.

1450
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:40,400
But yeah, I was yeah.
Have you guys seen the video of

1451
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:45,720
Nirvana playing trees in Dallas
and Kurt Cobain getting into the

1452
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,480
fight with the with the event
stuff guy?

1453
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,840
I don't think so, no.
I have to look that up.

1454
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,040
So.
Yeah, this was just a few weeks

1455
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:57,360
after Never Mind had come out.
So they're not huge yet.

1456
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:02,200
And they're playing a 500, you
know, person place in Dallas.

1457
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:08,800
And the, the employee, the staff
of Trees apparently had a

1458
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:12,560
problem with Nirvana and Kurt
Cobain had a problem with their

1459
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,080
sound board.
So he actually hacked it with

1460
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:18,480
his guitar, which really pissed
them off.

1461
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:22,520
Yeah.
And he does a stage dive into

1462
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:26,200
the crowd during a song.
And as he's coming back on stage

1463
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:28,440
and the events get the event
stuff guy who's helping him,

1464
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:32,440
he's like kind of open palm
striking him to the face.

1465
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:37,040
So Kurt Cobain takes his guitar
and he smashes the guy's face

1466
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:40,240
with it.
Oh, shit, The guy took his head

1467
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:41,880
and there's blood pouring out of
his head.

1468
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:46,640
So he punches Kurt Cobain.
Shaw wins.

1469
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:52,440
Like, Dave Grohl jumps over his
drums so fast, like, and he's in

1470
01:18:52,440 --> 01:18:55,440
between them.
And eventually, like, cooler

1471
01:18:55,440 --> 01:18:57,160
heads prevail, They all come
down.

1472
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:59,040
Nirvana actually finishes their
set.

1473
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:02,520
But when the show's over, they
run out, and that guy and his

1474
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:03,720
friends are all waiting to kill
them.

1475
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,560
Oh, so they managed to escape
into a taxi cab.

1476
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,880
And there's video of this.
You can see it on YouTube.

1477
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:15,160
OK, OK.
Well, we had lined that very

1478
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:21,760
same club and we there was an
opening band, a middle band and

1479
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,320
us.
Well, we do our sound check and

1480
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:27,600
we go eat.
When we come back, we find out

1481
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:31,200
the middle band has pulled out.
Oh, so instead of going on at

1482
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:33,720
midnight, now we're going on at
11.

1483
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:35,600
Got you.
That's great.

1484
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:39,240
Except that all our friends and
fans whatnot, they're all

1485
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:45,800
midnight, right?
So at about 11:45, our fans

1486
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:49,440
start trickling in and that's
right when the sound guy says

1487
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:56,000
you've got two more songs and
we're like, OK, so we play the

1488
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:59,760
first one and then he says
that's it, you're done.

1489
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,440
And we're like, what about the
last song?

1490
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:05,680
He's like, Nah, you're done.
So we start playing it anyway,

1491
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,920
and then all of it, but in
there's no sound.

1492
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:11,280
He cut it.
Off.

1493
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:13,280
There's no guitar.
He just cut us off.

1494
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:18,000
We get pissed off the crowds
confused, they don't know what

1495
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:19,920
the Hell's happening.
They're pissed off our friends

1496
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:23,240
who just sat down with beers.
They don't know what's going on

1497
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:27,360
when all of a sudden someone
yells something to us, which

1498
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:31,400
pisses off our friends and the
event staff of trees.

1499
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:36,720
And our friends are now facing
off in the parking lot of the

1500
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:41,280
club and I try every me and and
my dad who was there.

1501
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:44,800
We managed to get them not to
have a fistfight.

1502
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:49,960
And then another one of our
friends who's in the front of

1503
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:58,280
the club, he pisses on the Q1O2
van who had just announced that

1504
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,400
House Divided was playing Trees.
And come down here and see him,

1505
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:04,920
him not knowing that the show is
already over and that there's

1506
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:10,640
about to be a bar room brawl.
So that was our infamous Nirvana

1507
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:15,440
like story of headlining Trees,
and it was the one and only time

1508
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:19,120
that we got to play that show.
Right on.

1509
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:20,080
That's it.
Yeah.

1510
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,080
That's a fun story.
So let's wrap this up.

1511
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,240
Tell people where they where
they can find your book.

1512
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:25,240
William.
Yes.

1513
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:28,680
So once again, the name of the
book is House of the Black Moon.

1514
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:34,840
It is a dramatic suspense story
that's full of action, revenge,

1515
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:40,360
horror and a doomed love story.
I'll show you the book right

1516
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:43,120
here.
There you go and you can get it.

1517
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:48,000
You can get it on Amazon and
Kindle if you like to read your

1518
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:54,000
books on a tablet or a laptop.
And it's my it's the favorite

1519
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:55,680
thing I'm doing.
I never thought I'd be an author

1520
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:57,800
and here I am.
And I can't wait to keep writing

1521
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:00,040
the sequel and the trilogy
that's.

1522
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:00,760
Awesome.
Thank you guys.

1523
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,320
Congratulations for having me on
because this was a blast.

1524
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,040
When you get the sequel written,
we'll have to have you come back

1525
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:07,600
on.
We can talk more about music and

1526
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:09,680
books because, you know,
obviously, obviously we love

1527
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:12,240
talking music because we've done
that basically for almost 90

1528
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:15,400
minutes now.
Yeah, we're good.

1529
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:17,360
I look for it.
Yeah, we're.

1530
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:19,600
Hey, so we wrap a very show like
this.

1531
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:22,120
If you're feeling sad,
depressed, suicidal, don't do

1532
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:23,800
it.
Go outside, go for a run, go

1533
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:25,120
scream in a pillow.
Go journal.

1534
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:27,160
Go.
Go find somebody to talk to you.

1535
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:29,480
Call your neighbor, call your,
call your parents, call your, I

1536
01:22:29,480 --> 01:22:31,640
don't know, call somebody.
If you can't find somebody, text

1537
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:33,640
988.
Somebody's there waiting to

1538
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:35,840
respond to you to help talk you
out of your doom and gloom.

1539
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:39,040
Tomorrow's always a better day,
especially when you wake up in

1540
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:40,240
it.
Don't leave a hole in somebody's

1541
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:41,480
heart because somebody does love
you.

1542
01:22:41,480 --> 01:22:44,120
So they will miss you.
Hell, we'll miss you because you

1543
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:46,760
know, that's what we're about is
everybody coming together and

1544
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and tomorrow's always a better
day.

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So with that being said, I'm I'm
Chris.

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He's Mike.
This is William Chandler.

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You can find him on Amazon and
Kendall for his book, name of

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the book again, House of the
black moon, House of the Black

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Moon.
Until next time, everybody see

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you.
Thanks for coming on, William.

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Thank you very much.
Don't don't leave yet.

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I won't man.
Let's.