#141 - Martha Burich - Parenting Expert

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Hello friends on Twitch and
YouTube welcome Little Rock and

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Roll on a Friday morning or
whatever this goes live.

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Everybody.
It's.

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Live right now, man.
It's live right now on the

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Twitch and YouTube.
I think I let it go too long.

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A little bit, a little longer.
There you go.

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I went a little longer than
normal.

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I'm sorry.
Hey, this is Chris, this is

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Mike.
This is the Chris and Mike show

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live on Twitch and YouTube.
And we have a very special guest

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today, Martha Burke.
So I say it.

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Birch, Birch, Birch, White
Birch, Yeah, 'cause I see the

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eye.
So Birch, Welcome, Martha,

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welcome.
John Mellencamp has a song

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called Martha Say, Did you know
that?

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That's a great song.
Yeah, I just heard it about 3

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days ago.
Yeah, yeah, it's a good song.

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It has absolutely nothing
nothing to do with our Martha

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that's visiting.
Us, I know, Martha my.

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Dear, you know it's a good song
for sure, so give us a little,

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OK?
Oh yeah, that's one too.

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Yeah.
Yeah, it's from his.

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It's from his.
I think it's his.

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It's his Big Daddy album.
Yeah, it's from his Big Daddy

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album.
Yep.

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So we won't go there because
YouTube will shut us down.

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So they'll block it because, you
know, we can't do.

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That oh boy, that's.
Really good you are and why

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you're here, aside from, you
know, the fact that Mike and I

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are Mike, all right?
Just let me tell you all right?

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Mom loved my brother better.
That's why I'm here, because I

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had to prove myself all my life.
And I.

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I wrote this book.
I wrote this book.

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Look, mom, I finally did
something better than my

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brother.
OK, so I always tell you that I.

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I tell you that because.
Really that that is kind of, you

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know, my brother was a genius.
He he and he still is.

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He still is.
He's seven years older than me.

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There's a picture of there's a
very early picture.

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My daddy's fixing his car.
My brother is 2 years old.

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I'm not even in the picture in
the world yet and my little 2

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year old brother has tool in his
hand handing it to my father to

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help him with the car.
So, you know, those two were

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like this from the time the kid
was born and my brother became a

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mechanical engineer.
He took a car apart and put it

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back together before he was 16,
built ATV when he was 10.

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I mean the kid legitimately, he
was a genius.

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He had his own business.
And so my mother, you know, all

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my life, while your brother's so
smart, your brother's a genius,

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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
What am I chop liver?

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So, and I do want to warn you,
you probably already know this.

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If you have more than one child,
you'll hear that.

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You know what?
Let's just face it.

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Till the day you die, let's face
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Well, the way I approached my
because I have one of each a boy

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and a girl.
So when they would ever, you

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know, be like, oh, I'm your
favorite.

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Well, yeah, you're my favorite
daughter, you know, or yeah,

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you're my favorite son, you
know, but, but I, I never, I

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never said which one was their
actual favorite because

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honestly, they were, you know,
they were my favorites in

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different ways because they just
personality wise completely

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opposite.
Like you couldn't have had two

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personal, two kids that were
just completely different from

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one another.
So, and I wasn't, I'm not

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mechanically inclined.
I can't build a car or ATV.

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So you know, my wife did all
that.

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Like, like we moved in our
house, like we got it.

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We have a lot of we live on an
acre and I needed something

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other than a push mower.
So I found this Cub Cadet zero

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turn radius lawn mower thing
and, and my wife put it together

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because I don't have the
patience, right?

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I don't have the patience that
shit.

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We just got bikes.
We're we're teaching the little

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man how to ride a bike.
So I went online and I found

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this, this thing called bike
Savers where you put these kind

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of like climbing or, you know,
when you're doing rock climbing,

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it's kind of like these brackets
look like that.

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And I looked there last night.
I said, I know what you're doing

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tomorrow.
And she's like, what?

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It's like we're going to put up
the bike Savers after the show.

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She's like we I'm well.
OK, I'll hold the drill while

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you make the.
Holes, which is fine.

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Yeah, man, it's just you.
Which is I just, I never had

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patience for and that went back
to my drinking days that I just

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didn't have when I had to put
something together to have

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patience for it.
So then she would take over and

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that just kind of carried
through the rest of my life.

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So we have.
Your point?

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Your point?
I'm not mechanically inclined

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either, and I had a brother as
well, Martha, who was the same

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way.
He can do anything.

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The thing that we had where we
parted ways is my parents all

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treated us the same.
They were very good about

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expressing their love for our
own unique skill set, right?

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So I'll commend him for that.
But my brother is just like your

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brother.
He can do anything.

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Sure.
It doesn't matter what it is, he

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drives me nuts.
Yeah, see, my mom was my mom was

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equal.
My my mom was equal.

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Equal.
Why?

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Why, why do I phrase it?
She equally destroyed us both.

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So it wasn't just, you know, her
being a bad mother to me, it was

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it was equally.
It was equal.

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Like, you know, she beat us
both.

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She owned this both she you
know, you know, he was just mom,

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it's OK.
And I I saw it is what it is.

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I'm not one of those.
Oh, look at me.

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It's that's how I grew up.
That's part of who I am today.

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If I wasn't beaten and, you
know, abused and kicked out of

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house, I wouldn't be sitting
here today the person I am

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because that's just part of who
I am.

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So I'm not that.
Oh, oh, woe was me point.

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The and it's still but.
It's stuff, that is what it is.

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Comes up for you.
It's still stuff that comes up

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for you because, you know, Jack
Canfield, the guy, Chicken Soup

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for the Soul and, and all that
success principles.

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He's like 81 now.
He went to a workshop like 3

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years ago and he discovered
something about when he was a

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kid that had actually been
affecting him all his life that,

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that he had forgotten about but
was working, operating in the

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background.
You know, I, I have a friend

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whose father these are some
really, this is a horrible

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story.
But her dad, when she was young,

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he was a terrible alcoholic.
And he would come home drunk and

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he would tell her she lived
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Her room was upstairs.
She's like 7.

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And he said, you know, come down
here.

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And she said, no, if I do,
you'll, you'll stick the dogs on

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me.
He had Rottweilers.

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And he said, if you don't come
down here, I'm gonna send the

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dogs up.
This is what she lived with all

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her life.
She became a very heavy duty

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drug addict and alcoholic.
She forgave her father.

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I must start crying.
I don't know how she did it.

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I said, how did you forgive your
father?

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But in his older years, he
needed help.

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He, you know, became older and
infirm.

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She cared for him.
I said, my God, how could you

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forgive him for that?
But she did.

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So you know what?
Anything's possible.

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See.
See, the thing, the thing about

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that, that I've, I've noticed,
like we, there's this, there's

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this family we followed for
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There's two families we followed
for years in Chicago, the

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Milkovic's and the Gallagher's.
And, and one of the Gallagher's

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accidentally shot a gun in the
air and it came down and hit

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Terry Milkovic in the back of
the head and like paralyzed him.

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But he was still, you know, head
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He was fine.
And he was a terrible father to

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make you just, you know, beat
him senseless.

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Just, you know, they had games
like Catch the Dagger where you

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had to catch the dagger his dad
was throwing at him.

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And so once he became paralyzed,
Mickey had all this hate, you

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know, inside him about towards
his father, rightfully so.

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But he ends up taking care of
him until, you know, he dies.

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And ironically enough, they had
hired several nurses to take

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care of him, but they couldn't,
they couldn't stand Terry

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because he was a racist asshole.
So they had this retired nun

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take care of him.
And they came home from work and

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and the nun was on the front
porch with a rosary and he's

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like, well, he's gone and, and
make his like, what you talking

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about?
She's gone.

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He's like, well, I killed him,
you know?

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And they went inside and sure
enough, they had a bag tied

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around Terry's face and he's
suffocated.

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She killed him, you know.
That's two weeks in a row.

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It's two weeks in a row.
It's crazy, right, Mike?

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You got it.
It's it's but, but what I'm

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getting at, Martha, that's a
show called Shameless.

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What I'm getting at that happens
a lot in life where the kids are

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traumatized.
Now, in Mike's situation, it

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won't happen because when my
mother dies, I'm going to, you

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know, be happy, for lack of
better term, but I won't take

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care of her.
And but it does happen a lot in

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life where I've I've seen, and
you've seen it like you had your

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friend.
I'm sure Mike's seen it, that

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you have this total chaotic
upbringing and then for some

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stupid reason, you as the child,
feel obligated to take care of

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this person who was the root of
all your evil.

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I don't get that at all.
It's it's kind of like that one,

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that nurse syndrome, right?
I forget what the the phrase is

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what you know, I'm talking about
the the nurse thing like, oh

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hell, I don't I can't get it off
the top of my head.

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But when you fall in love with a
nurse, right?

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What's that called?
You remember what I'm talking

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about anybody, anybody, anybody,
yes, I don't get that.

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You have any insight on that,
Martha?

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Why that would be?
Is it just the trauma of the

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child and he wants to like get
he needs to get that that that

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not the gratification.
What is it?

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I'm I'm I'm dropping.
Words.

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Well, it's a Christian
principle.

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Forgiveness is a Christian
Prince.

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Our parents are the first people
in our lives and when they don't

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treat us right and went wrong.
But you know, you know how you

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know the saying, you know the
saying hurt people hurt people.

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And you know what?
Let's totally go to a new topic.

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Oh, before we do, before we do
the first quote in my book.

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I, I can't believe we're talking
about this.

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If I were to search for this,
we're of difficulties in people

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as I've come to know them, it is
that in a great majority of

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cases, they despise themselves
regarding themselves as

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worthless and unlovable.
That's from Doctor Carl Rogers.

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That's on the couple first pages
of yes, you can raise happy,

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responsible children.
And you know, this is This is

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why the whole book was written,
because we constantly see

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ourselves as unlovable and
nobody's going to love us.

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And I'm not good enough.
You know, I played that game a

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long time, my brothers.
And sometimes I, I still, I

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sure, I still make jokes.
I make a lot of jokes about it.

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But you, you know, This is why a
lot of people, you know, I, I

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tell, I have to tell a lot of
addicts in recovery.

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Stop kicking your own butt.
Stop.

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Why do you keep your own butt?
But they do that because of

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this, because in the great
majority of cases, they despise

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themselves and see themselves
worthless and unlovable.

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And this is really what we're
doing when we're raising

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children here.
We are feeling worthless and

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unlovable and not good enough.
And then we're trying to raise

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our children to feel good about
themselves.

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So then what do we do?
What do we do is we try to make

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them happy.
But you know the key to that

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happiness, searching for
happiness isn't what we need in

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our lives.
What we need is to search for

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usefulness and to help others.
Then the happiness comes from

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that.
But we've got it all backwards.

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You know, another reason I wrote
this book is when my our son was

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40.
Lord, that child was spoiled.

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Why?
Because we thought we were

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trying to raise.
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And we thought the way to
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oh, were we wrong?
Oh my goodness.

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Everything I learned I Yeah,
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Right.
So yeah, that's yes.

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That's awesome.
Yes, you can raise happy,

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responsible children.
Available at Amazon and endorsed

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by the Dean of Self Esteem
himself, Jack Canfield.

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This whole back cover is Jack's
endorsement.

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This book has the potential to
transform the lives of families

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worldwide.
And you know what?

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I know that's true because it
transformed the life of my

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family.
And I used all the information

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from this book to when I was
teaching child psychology.

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I was a child psychology
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And then I was a high school
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16.
And I had students, you know, I

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had some students who would say,
I'm going to kill you.

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Oh, that's oh, oh, now, Hon, so
you know that.

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Yeah, yeah, in.
This book, yeah, is what I used

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to hand place.
Yeah, you don't want to kill me.

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That's just your anger talking.
No, no, I mean in some of it,

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though, you have to take it from
a from a school standpoint, you

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have to take that serious
because, you know, luckily my

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wife's a teacher.
She's only been in reference to

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1 kill list in her entire
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know, because other other
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that's just the youth today, but
that's that's interesting.

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So you, you when we first be,
when we came before we came on

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the air, we kind of started
talking and then with such a

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good conversation, I was like
gold moments.

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We got to get started.
I want to go back to the

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conversation of I want to talk
about your your I want to talk

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about your life resume because
you referenced being, I don't

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remember if you said in jail or
prison, but I want to talk about

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how you, how you ended up there
to where you are now.

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And I don't want you giving up a
lot about your book because we

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want people to go buy your book
so you can dangle little carrots

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like you're doing, which is
great.

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But don't go deep in don't go
diving deep into your book

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because we want, we want to
boost your sales by you being on

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the show, because we're all
about helping people who grace

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us with their presence to help
them, you know, accomplish what

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they want to accomplish.
And for you, I'm assuming we

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want people to come out there
and start, you know, grab your

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book and things like that.
So let's talk about Martha, your

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kind of your life resume and how
how you went from that scenario

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behind, you know, locked behind
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now empowering parents, you
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responsible children in a day
and age where that.

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Doesn't I'm going to court to
support a father Tuesday I'm

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going to court to support a
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So go ahead.
Who got in a tussle with his

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teenage son and you know, the
man's a good dad, but they got

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in a disagreement about social
media that the phone use,

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etcetera, etcetera.
So I think dad pushed the child

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and pushed him in the car.
It got scratched somewhere, a

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cup.
Police were called.

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Now Dad's going to court as a
child abuser.

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So anyway, yeah, I was never in
jail myself, but because I

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taught high school for 16 years,
I thought who better to take a a

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into the jail than me?
You know, I ain't afraid in so

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so I went to the jail for four
years.

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I took a weekly a a meeting and
it was a very, very, very

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interesting experience.
I had one, I, I got to tell you,

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this one gal in there, she was
about 5 months pregnant I think

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when I got there and she was a
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But when she found out she was
pregnant, she stopped taking

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meth and then she and her
mother-in-law were both in jail

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at the same time.
That's good.

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I don't quite understand what's
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That's a whole other story.
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We're sitting around at our a, a
meeting and we're we're we're

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talking about when the baby,
when the baby gets here because

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she was going to get out of jail
by then.

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And you never just tell her, oh,
man, when that baby gets here,

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you're not gonna get any sleep,
blah, blah.

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And she said just as innocently
and plainly as anything, like,

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you know, I'm going to have a
ham sandwich tomorrow.

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She said, yeah, I'm going to
have to go back on meth.

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Everybody's like, what?
So God, I mean, that's, that's

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addicts and Alcoholics for you.
We, we, we don't think, we don't

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think straight.
But anyway, so luckily she had a

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few months to, you know, stay
straight and to and to have

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people talk to her and say, no,
you're not going to do that,

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Hun.
That's not going to help.

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Well anyway, so she gets before
she got out of jail, her mother

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died when she then a month
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So then when she got out of
jail, she had to bury her

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mother.
Then a month later her father

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died and she still did not go
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She had a baby.
I think the baby's like.

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I don't.
Know 1 or 1 1/2 now and that she

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just had another baby.
They're doing fine.

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She and the dad got married he's
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So there's a success story.
You know people think that meth

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and especially for her to say
that at that meeting that time

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and think, Oh dear.
But she, you know posts all the

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time and she has an absolutely
beautiful family and she's just

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getting better and better and
better.

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It's anything is possible.
People have to realize you know

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what addiction is not a death
sentence if you don't let it be

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and and if if you do the things
you need to be you know I go to

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a a rarely have we've seen a
person fail who has thoroughly

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followed our path.
And if you follow that path

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life, you know the promises say
you will live a different life

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and I have to say I live a life
of my dreams.

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Why because I chose to put down
the bottle.

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But for me I was basically a
binge drinker and drank on the

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weekends.
So I never got a DUII never got

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any of that and but I was still
an alcoholic because I I I could

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never drink just one.
I could never drink just one,

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that just wasn't possible.
But anyways.

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The.
One thing that you just said

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though, Martha, the one thing
that you just said is you chose

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to put it down, right.
So the where we're going to

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we're where we're going to part
ways is I agree with any program

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is great as far as the person
made that choice themselves to

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be there, you have to make the
choice.

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That's the first thing right?
And the most it.

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Works for me.
There's tons.

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Tons.
Yeah, there's tons, just.

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Going to waste that meeting.
But like you said, you got to

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make that decision.
There's just too many people

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that are forced.
Yeah, the police make a.

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Lot and that's never.
Going to work when they get

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caught.
But you know Chris, you got to

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make 2 decisions.
The first decision is that I'm

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sick and tired of this.
I want to change.

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Here's a second decision.
You're bored.

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You're sitting at home.
You got nothing to do.

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What's the first thing you think
of drinking?

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You're at the gas station
getting gas.

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You look in the window.
There's your favorite bottle of

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booze.
Your drug addict, your drug

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dealer comes around, says, hey,
I got some because you know,

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he's a good businessman.
He knows he's got money and and

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he wants your money again.
Then you got to make the second.

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Decision.
Again and again and again.

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Well, that's something that him
and I say all the time is I

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agree with you.
That's what I'll agree with you

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100% there because Chris and I
have preached that a lot.

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His choice was exercise,
running.

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That's what he fills his time
with.

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I chose to dive back into music
again, right?

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So when I'm feeling that way, I
pick up my guitar or I listen to

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music or whatever, I go for a
driver.

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You know, I make that conscious
choice to not do that too.

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So I'll agree with you 100% on
both those things.

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But it is very important for
people to understand that that

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person has to make the choice.
Just sending little Johnny to a

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A because you choose for him to
stop drinking is not.

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Going to make little Johnny.
Yeah.

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And if you've watched, if you've
watched any of our stuff, if, if

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you've watched any of our stuff,
I'm a big component.

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Like I went to a A, but my
approach to it was that that God

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didn't make me drink.
So God's not going to make me

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stop.
I'm the one to put the beer in

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my hand.
I'm the one that's got to take

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to keep the beer out of my hand.
So there's a little you know,

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didn't kind of jive with all the
principles of a because I, you

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know, everybody's all about
higher power and by the gracious

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of God, I stopped.
I'm sober for X money.

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Would you say that the tenants
of the program were like just

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the accountability worked for
you?

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Absolutely, yeah.
I mean, I got it.

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I got it.
My thing was a chip.

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You know, when I realized you
got a chip for 24 hours and in

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30 days, 6090 days, that was my
proof to my wife.

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Like, hey, look, here's my,
here's my 24 hour chip.

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And then when I, when I was
going to get my 30 day chip,

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once I got my 30 day chip, I
gave her my 24 hour chip.

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I'm like here.
And she's like, what is this?

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I'm like, that's every time I
get a chip, I'm going to give it

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to you because that way, you
know, I'm continuing down the

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path of, of being sober, which
she knew.

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But you can attach to it.
So can Mike, so can all the

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other addicts out there.
The the sober version of you is

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different than the addicted
version of you.

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Whatever that looks like, I I
couldn't be, I couldn't be

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listened to.
I couldn't be reasoned with.

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I'm sorry, I wouldn't listen.
I couldn't be reasoned with.

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We have that in common.
For right, it was it and I

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wasn't, I wasn't a binge.
I was functional.

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I started out as a binge drinker
and that led to being

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functional.
And then the, the more loopy I

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got, then the more stupid I
became.

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But I wasn't, I wasn't violent.
I wasn't, you know, aggressive

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any way, shape or form.
I wasn't verbally assaultive

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like I grew up with in my
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I was just not there
emotionally.

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I tell the story all the time
that there's a Christmas where I

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wrapped up.
I got her a pair of diamond

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earrings, which was a big deal
at the time because, you know,

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neither one of us came from
anything really that we could

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afford to do things like that.
And so and I wrapped it up and

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she was in the great room and I
walked turn the corner and I

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tossed him and I'm like Merry
Christmas and walked away.

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And, you know, I remember the
look on her face.

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She was like kind of like what,
but it was me compensating and

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trying to to mask what I knew
subconsciously I was doing by

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not being there fist not being
there emotionally and kind of

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just, you know, just being there
as a vessel of a human and

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nothing else.
So it's interesting that we all

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have different avenues of
sobriety and our addiction, but

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the the addicted person is
completely different, the silver

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person and people that don't
live with that and don't

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interact with that, which I
think is why probably Al Anon

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came to play.
It makes you understand the

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dynamic of the addict a little
bit more so than just randomly

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like, oh, he's an addict, he's
an asshole, blah, blah, blah.

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You know, So that's a good point
though, for sure.

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I went on that tangent.
That other path is an important

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point too, because I'm sure
Martha would agree.

445
00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:07,240
Sitting in that jail with all
these different kinds of

446
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,920
addicts, a meth addict is not
the same as an.

447
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,040
Alcoholic, no.
Right.

448
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,680
I, I was a meth addict all the
way down to the point of

449
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,960
psychosis, right?
So I followed it all the way

450
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:23,760
down to just right before death.
That's, and an alcoholic goes

451
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,200
down that same path.
I watched it with a good friend

452
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,400
of mine.
You can drink yourself to the

453
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,920
point where you have to drink to
survive.

454
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,200
And then you watch them lose all
their color, right?

455
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,640
It's a, it's a horribly sad
thing to watch.

456
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:42,240
It is, but both paths lead you
to the same place to the grave

457
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:43,360
event, yeah.
Yep.

458
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,840
So how did you start now?
Did you get the?

459
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:51,440
Deal meeting one day mark I was
about oh was I OK two or three

460
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,320
years sober I don't know I'm
sitting in a meeting and I'm

461
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:57,120
like man I'm bored and you know
I live with my brother he's got

462
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,360
3737 years of sobriety
yesterday, but anyway I moved in

463
00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:04,400
with him when I got I was about
four months sober.

464
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:05,920
I moved in with him but.
Anyway, oh, nice job.

465
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,120
So I'm at this meeting and I'm
like, man, I'm bored.

466
00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:11,640
So with my big mouth, when it
came my turn to talk and I said,

467
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,560
you know, I'm getting kind of
bored at these meetings.

468
00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:15,840
I don't know why I'm going to
have to go to different

469
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:16,960
meetings.
I don't know what I'm going to

470
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,480
do.
Well, it just so happened the

471
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,560
guy on the corrections committee
was sitting across the table.

472
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,920
He comes up to me afterwards, he
goes, I'm on the corrections

473
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,440
committee.
I'm going to e-mail you the the

474
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:32,040
application to go to jail
instant, right instant.

475
00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:35,080
So that's what I did.
I filled out the application.

476
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,240
You got to do your fingerprints
and all that because I had never

477
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,840
been in jail or any trouble or
anything.

478
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,920
It was easy breezy, right?
So I go into jail, all right,

479
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,760
going to the jail for the first
meeting and who's there?

480
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:50,640
But somebody I know from a a gal
who had got got her butt in a

481
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,600
sling and not, but then she
didn't think she caused a big

482
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,360
accident, but she didn't think
she was an alcoholic.

483
00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:58,760
So she went back out and what
happened with her was she got

484
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,040
drunk one night and her husband
had a fight.

485
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,680
She put the kids in the car and
drove off.

486
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,000
Her husband called the police.
That put her in jail.

487
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,360
And that's why.
And then and later on, let's

488
00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:14,080
look at this story.
OK, Now she told me months and

489
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,760
we were at a a a function and
she became like she worked a lot

490
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,880
for a a, did a lot of stuff for
a A.

491
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,960
She said, you know, I never told
you what happened, how you got

492
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,320
to that jail.
I said, what are you talking

493
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:26,600
about?
She said.

494
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,200
I prayed.
I prayed that I could contact

495
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,080
you because I knew you were
dependable.

496
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:33,560
And.
And she said.

497
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,600
And then one day you come
walking into the jail.

498
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,600
I was like, whoa.
That was really.

499
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,520
That was great and he's doing
really well too.

500
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:43,720
That's cool.
Now that was yours.

501
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,440
She's over years now and she got
her children back everything and

502
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,720
you know, she's remarried.
You know, just get you get

503
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,280
success story after six three.
But anyway, so I go into the

504
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,400
jail and there was this one gal
I got to tell you about this one

505
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,200
gal.
She was a she was a hard, hard

506
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,800
young girl, 2526.
But she did not want to quit

507
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,360
drinking.
So one day I go in there for me.

508
00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:06,120
I said, hey, where's so?
And so they said she's she's in

509
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,640
isolation.
I said, what happened?

510
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,000
She was making booze.
She.

511
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,360
Just.
But you know, that's the thing.

512
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:17,960
When you're she would take the
apples or whatever it was and

513
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,200
ferment them and, and do what
she had to do to, to get her

514
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,440
fix.
And that was really, really,

515
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,400
really sad, you know, but that
that is what happens to us.

516
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,320
We are so addicted.
We think without it.

517
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,360
My, my brother telling me a
story, his sponsor, my brother

518
00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:37,880
said, you know, I'm so alone.
He was early on in sobriety and,

519
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,520
and his sponsor said, well, you
just lost your best friend.

520
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,680
You know, anytime you were sad,
happy, whatever, there was your

521
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,280
bottle.
It never said no to you.

522
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,080
This is the of course you're
depressed.

523
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,520
Of course, you just got to stick
it out and, and, and you know,

524
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,120
help get other people.
But you know, and The thing is

525
00:25:57,120 --> 00:26:00,040
about having children and being
an addict too, that you really

526
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,440
walk in a fine line because
you're not giving your children

527
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,720
all of yourself.
They know that at a certain

528
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,800
point, they know that.
And then again, you know, so

529
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,680
many times as parents, you know,
do as I do, as I say, not as I

530
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,120
do.
Don't smoke.

531
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,880
Same not as I do.
Yep, don't you know?

532
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,720
Don't watch how much TV?
Yeah.

533
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,920
That's the that's.
That's that's the household.

534
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,240
I grew up and do as they say,
not as I do bullshit.

535
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,320
So you know and.
I was fortunate to.

536
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,040
Have grown up in the opposite
where you know we are told why

537
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,160
you shouldn't do that you know
my.

538
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,960
Mother, not mine, was such a she
was just a wonderful human being

539
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,160
and in a loving, loving woman.
And she always would say to me,

540
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,880
you know, if it is to be, it's
up to me.

541
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,880
And they made my my grandpa made
her quit high high school and

542
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,560
8th grade to go to work to make
money so my uncles could go to

543
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,240
college.
I mean, there's really when you.

544
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,080
Hear this whole story, you would
think there's a woman who would

545
00:26:59,080 --> 00:26:59,760
have resentment.
Wow.

546
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,040
Well, and.
That's, I mean, and that's,

547
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,600
that's a different sign of
that's a different era, right,

548
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,880
That we lived in because my
grandmother, my yeah, my

549
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,080
grandmother, God rest her soul,
She, her her husband died when

550
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,200
my mother was 11.
So I don't know the year of

551
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,800
that.
But then she went on to work

552
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,000
full time.
She had to sell the farm because

553
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,120
they had a dairy farm, built a
house, went to night school to

554
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:28,520
get her master's degree, ended
up being the first female

555
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,520
teacher hired in Illinois.
And then when they realized that

556
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:36,360
that she was some weird dynamic
of of.

557
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,920
Would she be somehow?
She was, I don't remember the

558
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,360
rules of of stuff with like
teachers, you could be married

559
00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:45,960
or couldn't be married.
One of those weird things, but

560
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,360
there was a there was a a stigma
with that.

561
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:51,720
Oh, when she's just a regular
teacher, then that's right when

562
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,320
once once Charles her husband
died, that's when she went to

563
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,760
college to get the master's
degree.

564
00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:00,600
But when, when she got hired,
you couldn't be married or

565
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,800
something that effect.
And then they still went on and

566
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,000
hired her because of who she
was.

567
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,160
But it's one of those things
it's, it's the culture and the

568
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,720
life was different, right,
Because you, you, like you said,

569
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,000
that's like your, your
grandmother quit school to go to

570
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,520
work to help the uncles.
You know, the dichotomy of of

571
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,280
the world and the the nuclear
family was legit back then.

572
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,320
It was a true.
It was a true like.

573
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:24,920
Everybody has everybody's back
type thing.

574
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,200
Yeah, Chris, that's.
Such a good point because, you

575
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,840
know, 200 years ago we were all
on farms pretty much.

576
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:34,680
And so if Uncle Bob was an
alcoholic and he and his job was

577
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,200
to feed the chickens in the
cows, we were to go, you know,

578
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,440
Uncle Bob's all over again.
Everybody's have to pick up his

579
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,680
flag.
But, you know, the family wasn't

580
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,960
destroyed and people didn't go
hungry because everybody was

581
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,600
together and they would pick up
the slack.

582
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,040
But then when we moved to the
city, then when Uncle Bob or dad

583
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,040
became an alcoholic, the family
starved.

584
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,520
And that's why those women were
so big in the temperance

585
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,240
movement.
And they would go into the bars

586
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,240
and go, you know, stop taking my
husband's money.

587
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,360
You're taking food out of our
mouths.

588
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,920
Yep.
Industrial.

589
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,240
Evolution.
Destroyed America All right, so

590
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,600
get.
Back, let's see, get back to

591
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,440
parenting and whatever, I got
it.

592
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,120
Two colleges.
I was kicked out at two

593
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,680
colleges.
Yes, let's go back to parenting.

594
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,800
Drinking was my.
My my problem and so one day I

595
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,560
was OK my mother.
Wait, so you, so you.

596
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,000
Got kicked out at wait, let's
see that that seems like an

597
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,120
awesome you're on.
You're in college.

598
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,680
You get kicked out of college
for drinking.

599
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:31,920
That's what a total idiot.
That's one of.

600
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,320
The prerequisites of.
College.

601
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,360
And anyway and.
Plus, you know what, almost

602
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,760
Western Michigan University and
Oh my goodness, I, I worked so

603
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,480
hard to get into that school.
I was the assistant there, one

604
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,360
of the research assistants to
Richard Malat.

605
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,200
He's big in behavior
modification.

606
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,760
Oh my God, when I got that job,
I was like, Oh my goodness,

607
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,200
Martha, you've arrived.
You're so lucky.

608
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,120
You're so lucky.
And I totally screwed that up.

609
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,760
And anyway, so I'm at home and
I'm crying to my mother and what

610
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,920
am I going to do?
I, you know, I, I don't have a

611
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:10,600
degree, 1.0, GPA 1.0.
And my, my mother was so

612
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,320
disgusted with me.
She said, you know what you're

613
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,080
going to do.
And, but, and I also went to

614
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,120
Saint Louis.
No, no University of Missouri.

615
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,920
OK, so my mother goes, and I was
kicked out of that one too.

616
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,480
She goes, you're going to March
right back to that college and

617
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,440
you're going to ask them to let
you back in.

618
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,920
Well, I, I did whatever my
mother told me to do.

619
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,200
So I did.
I go, can I come back in?

620
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,000
The guy goes, all right, we'll
let you back in.

621
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,760
You're on probation for six
months, and you better

622
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,800
straighten up.
Well, of course I did.

623
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,840
You know, I knew it was my last
chance.

624
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,440
I made A's and I went on.
And what do you know?

625
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,320
I became a college professor and
a high school special Ed

626
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,240
teacher.
So, you know, I realized my

627
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,280
goals and my dreams.
So anything's possible, you

628
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,040
know, don't stay down.
Don't stay down.

629
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,880
Stop kicking your own butt and
stop telling yourself you can't

630
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,080
do it.
If you want to do it, get out

631
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,960
there and give it your best
shot.

632
00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,560
It's what is it?
What's that thing?

633
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,760
It's the man who never throws
the ball that misses 100% of the

634
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:08,400
shots.
Yeah, exactly.

635
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,040
Yeah.
Yep, yeah, I'm a big.

636
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,880
Believer, I have a phrase.
That I've I've told my kids for

637
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,640
years, that's not how you fall.
It's how you get back up.

638
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,360
Everybody falls.
Everybody.

639
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,000
Fails everybody.
Failed multiple.

640
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,880
Times before they got to that
point.

641
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,160
Even if you not even.
If you talk to Elon Musk.

642
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,400
They fit.
They probably failed thousands

643
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,160
of times in their life, right,
right.

644
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,520
And even if you just need that
one time success seat.

645
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:34,600
Right.
But even if you don't hit that

646
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,760
level of success, it's too, it
doesn't matter.

647
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,000
Everybody falls down, everybody,
everybody.

648
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,680
It's it's life.
It's called building character.

649
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,200
It's a success.
Looks different for everybody.

650
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,240
You know what, Jeff?
Told us about Chicken Soup for

651
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,520
the soul.
It was turned down by 144

652
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,200
publishers.
A 144 publishers said no junk,

653
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,640
we don't want this.
The 145th guy said, well, you

654
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,880
know, if you, if you can promise
me you can sell 20,000 copies in

655
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,760
advance, I'll publish this book.
So that's what they did.

656
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,400
They went out and you know, and
I, I remember going to

657
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,440
workshops, jets self esteem
workshops and there would be a

658
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,760
form on the, on the chair that
said, you know, we wrote this

659
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,840
book.
How many copies do you want?

660
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,760
And as soon as the book comes
out, you'll get your copies.

661
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,560
And that's what they did.
They pre sold 20,000 books.

662
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,360
Boom.
But it was they were they were

663
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:32,360
turned down 144 times.
Oh, thank goodness.

664
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,160
I just talked to.
A guy at a meeting.

665
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,680
Yeah.
So if he would have gave.

666
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,240
Up the first time I just got out
of jail.

667
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,240
He said he read.
He read Chicken Soup for the

668
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,640
Prisoner's Soul.
He said it kept him sane in

669
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,480
jail.
And and it made him go after,

670
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,040
like he got to get some kind of
a specialization in jail so that

671
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,000
when he came out now he has his
own business.

672
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,920
I mean, you know, he said that
book, those books really saved

673
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,000
him.
So, yeah, imagine, look, look at

674
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,200
how he's helped, how they've
helped people through the years.

675
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,680
Yeah.
In fact, I have a book in the.

676
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,560
Cookbook I have a story in the
chicken soup.

677
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,480
Soup for the Soul Cookbook 19-O
We're going back night all.

678
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,120
Right, so now, all right.
So now I'm going to tell you,

679
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,000
I'm going to tell you the story
about rejection because we're

680
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,600
talking about, you know what, if
you don't get rejected, you're

681
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,120
not going to, you're not going
to go nowhere.

682
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,040
You're going to go nowhere.
The biggest people make is by

683
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,160
doing nothing anyway.
So I go to this mall here in

684
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,280
Aaron, Michigan, and I just got
Nordstrom and all those stores.

685
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,280
And this was a few years ago.
My my husband died in 2008.

686
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:37,880
I've been single pretty much
since.

687
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,560
Anyway, so I noticed this
handsome man sitting outside and

688
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,040
they had this area outside the
store in the mall where you

689
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,320
could sit at tables and read
paper, do whatever you want.

690
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,640
Well, I noticed this handsome
man, you know, looked to be my

691
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,480
and he's reading the paper.
I thought, oh, that's nice.

692
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,000
So I go in the Nordstrom.
I come back about an hour later,

693
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,320
he's still sitting there.
So I thought, OK, Martha, strike

694
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,840
while the iron's hot.
So I go up to him and I go,

695
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,640
well, hello, are you waiting for
your wife or girlfriend?

696
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,760
Because I'm not a poacher.
So he looks.

697
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,000
He looks.
Funny, he goes, No.

698
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:17,120
I said oh.
Good.

699
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,400
Are you married or you know,
have a girlfriend?

700
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,440
He goes.
No, I said.

701
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,600
Good.
Move your stuff off the chair.

702
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,440
I'll sit down and we'll talk.
I'm kind of bossy.

703
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,920
And he looks at me and he goes,
What?

704
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,199
I said, you're alone.
I'm alone.

705
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:35,080
Let's get to know each other.
That's funny.

706
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,159
And he looks at me and he goes
and he yells it.

707
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:40,000
Everybody heard him.
He yells it.

708
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:45,760
I come to the mall to be alone.
You know so.

709
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,520
I'm like.
OK, now what, Martha?

710
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,400
So I put a smile on my face
because, you know, I had

711
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,840
encroached on his.
I didn't belong there.

712
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:56,520
And so I I put a smile on my
face and I said, oh, my bad,

713
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,440
have a nice day.
And I walked off and I said next

714
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,680
to myself there Martha, did
things get any worse?

715
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,320
No, you didn't have a date
before.

716
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,600
You don't have a date now, you
know.

717
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,680
In fact, they got better because
now I've learned that I can be

718
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:14,320
put down in front of the
gazillion people and I'm still

719
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:19,800
living.
So that's my rejection.

720
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,160
Story.
But let's go back to that.

721
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,800
Who goes to the mall?
Back then when malls actually

722
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,160
existed and there was, you know,
you could have 1000 people at a

723
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,400
mall at a time.
Who goes to the mall for silence

724
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,680
and quiet time?
It's it's the polar opposite

725
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,360
perverse, right?
I can see going to the mall for

726
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,280
people watching and things like
that, right.

727
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,440
And you probably dodged a.
Bullet Martha.

728
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,720
The guy was probably a pervert.
That's just what my son.

729
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,760
Said that's just what my son
said.

730
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,120
Now you can go to the mall and
they're.

731
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,320
They're nothing, yeah.
There's no you're not a smart

732
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,920
man.
Now how many?

733
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:54,200
How?
Many.

734
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,840
How many kids do you have?
Just the one.

735
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,120
How many kids do you have?
He's grown now, Anthony.

736
00:35:59,000 --> 00:35:59,920
You have Martha.
He's.

737
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:03,280
Grown.
Now he's 42, but when he was 40,

738
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,200
my grand, my.
Grandsons name?

739
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,040
Yeah, well, now he's.
Tony, you know, you grow up and

740
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,120
he's Tony.
Yeah.

741
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:14,960
And like my grand Yeah.
Yeah, my my grandson.

742
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,320
'S name is Anthony, my first
grandson.

743
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,440
Anyway, his name is Anthony.
My second one's his trip.

744
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,840
But yeah, we call, we call
Anthony, well, his name after

745
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,240
his.
Dad when he was four, my.

746
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:25,400
Husband said well, if it's.
A boy, you name him, if it's a

747
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,120
girl, I'll name him.
And that was back in the time

748
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,280
when when I told the doctor I
didn't want to know what it was

749
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,640
where a girl.
So we didn't know until he was

750
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,200
born.
And so because it was a boy I

751
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,680
got, let's name him after his
father.

752
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,040
His father's a wonderful man,
good man.

753
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,480
So let's, let's make him.
He's not a junior, but he's got

754
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,240
the same name, so I think it
worked out really well.

755
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:46,960
He's a good kid.
He's got his own business.

756
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,400
He's called he's the film card
star.

757
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,280
He he sells and trades
collectibles on eBay.

758
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,280
So he makes a bunch.
Of posts about, you know, old

759
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,800
actors and stuff like that.
Wow.

760
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,080
So yeah, he grew up to be.
He grew up cool, pretty good.

761
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:05,760
Oh.
My God.

762
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,080
Some stories of.
Stories.

763
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:13,360
And but a lot of things, you
know, he he 01 day we're at he

764
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,000
he played football.
So he he got recruited to be the

765
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:21,240
quarterback at I think
Benedictine University in

766
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:23,880
Chicago.
So his dad and I go.

767
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,800
You know, I'm, I'm, I'm.
It's just sports.

768
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,080
Just don't.
OK, so we're sitting on the

769
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,680
stands and I'm recording.
And I said.

770
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,880
Tony, which one's Anthony?
And you know, my husband says

771
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,200
he's the quarterback, He's the
quarterback.

772
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,240
I said which one's the
quarterback?

773
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,240
Anthony.
Just right.

774
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,920
He gets the biggest kick out of
that.

775
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,160
At least I was there, kid.
OK, At least I showed up.

776
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,680
Yeah, Yes.
Absolutely.

777
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,880
That's. 90%.
Of, of, of job right there.

778
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,200
Showing up, being present, you
know, and it's easy if you're

779
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,000
showing up, being present.
Of course, nowadays.

780
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:06,720
Oh, my God.
Parents are doing this.

781
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:09,200
Yes.
What's that, Johnny?

782
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:10,800
Oh, yeah.
Go ahead, Go ahead.

783
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,600
Go ahead.
Fire's good.

784
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:13,720
Fire's good.
It's OK.

785
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,280
Kids are desperate for
attention.

786
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,560
Now, and you know I have a true
story.

787
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:20,960
Kids have.
Goals and.

788
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,840
Behavior.
I've made this workbook tells

789
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,480
you what your child's goal is.
But nowadays, almost all of

790
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,080
them, the goal is attention.
Please, mom, give me some

791
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,600
attention.
Please, Dad, give me some

792
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,160
attention.
But you know, when kids

793
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,480
misbehave, that's basically for
four reasons.

794
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:39,560
One is attention.
The other is power because they

795
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,680
feel so powerless.
The other is for revenge.

796
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,160
A lot of kids want revenge
because they feel slighted and

797
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,960
and not treated right.
And then there's the display of

798
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,560
inadequacy.
And that's for the child who

799
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,360
goes, oh, I can't do it.
You're doing for me?

800
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,480
Yeah, we've all come across kids
like that.

801
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,480
And you feel so discouraged, you
know?

802
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,840
So this book, this workbook, it
tells you how to figure out what

803
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,760
the child's goal is and what to
do about it.

804
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:14,280
Where do you fall?
As far as like, at what age is

805
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,400
social media acceptable?
You know what?

806
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,160
I.
Would everything should needs to

807
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,440
be no child should ever and I
think until at least 16 they

808
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,920
should not be able to be alone
with their social media and the

809
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,160
parents should be able to get on
the phone and see anything that

810
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:38,880
they're they're doing until age
16 because May 1516 because.

811
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,400
But at what age would you?
Let them get on their

812
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,360
supervised.
Sorry to interrupt you, but.

813
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:46,560
What age would you let them get
on their?

814
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,000
You have to.
Watch all of it.

815
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,160
You have to watch these
children's cartoons, and things

816
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,800
these days are bizarre and weird
and hateful and you know how

817
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,800
many?
Well, they were bizarre.

818
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,680
They were, they were, but they
were bizarre.

819
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,320
They were bizarre when you're
growing up.

820
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,200
I mean, look at the cartoons we
grew up on.

821
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,240
There was violence.
There was, you know, Elmer Fudd

822
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:09,720
was killing people.
You know what I mean?

823
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:11,160
Right.
So I mean, I mean, they were,

824
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,600
they're basically, well, we.
Or Bluto was.

825
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,440
Basically domestically abusing
olive oil all the time, right?

826
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,080
Exactly so.
I mean it's it's I mean you have

827
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,280
to look perspective because we.
When?

828
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,200
When we were raising our kids,
like in the mornings, I would

829
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,640
they would, we would hang out
and that type of thing.

830
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,440
And then we'd watch the
cartoons, the Ed, Eddie and

831
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,960
Eddie and and you know, I was
the first one comes to mind, but

832
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,320
Dexter's Laboratory and Johnny
Bravo.

833
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,440
I mean, you know, so it's it's
all the cartoons evolved because

834
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,640
the kids that grew up watching
cartoons, some of those went on

835
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,880
to make cartoons, right?
So you still have the same

836
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,320
dynamic of them and they're all
still weird.

837
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,200
But that's the beautiful thing
about cartoons.

838
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,720
They expand the imagination.
I mean, sponges don't talk,

839
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:56,240
right?
But SpongeBob was huge because

840
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:59,560
it's this little yellow sponge
and this star that have

841
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,120
adventures under the sea.
So that's no different than then

842
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,680
what we grew up on, The
Flintstones or the Jetsons and

843
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,560
things like that.
Just because they're cartoons.

844
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,800
I get that they're weird.
I get they're weird not because

845
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,000
they are.
We were big with our kids.

846
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,920
Like you weren't going to get a,
a, a cell phone at all until you

847
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,560
hit 13.
So was that what you did before?

848
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,560
The smartphone.
The school. 13 So there was

849
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,760
years where they weren't cool at
school.

850
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,520
Yeah, but they weren't cool at
school.

851
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,760
Right, But they weren't cool at
school because all their friends

852
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,040
had it.
But it's kind of like, when did

853
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,240
their friends get it?
I've I've dude.

854
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:33,080
Nikki's got kids now that that
you know, in in walk around in

855
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,600
the I mean, everybody has
phones, everybody.

856
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,280
And that's school's policies are
you don't have your phones out

857
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,280
during the day, but do you know
all your kids?

858
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,840
Friends 3rd grade. 4th grade.
Do you know all your kids?

859
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:49,760
Friends and you know.
And their pair, we, we knew, we,

860
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:54,360
we had the, the unique thing
that my wife is a school

861
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,840
teacher.
So the first six years of their

862
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,880
lives, once they got into
kindergarten, they went to

863
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:04,280
school with her.
Before that, they were they were

864
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:05,640
in schools that were kind of
small.

865
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,080
We weren't big on day on daycare
and things like that.

866
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,600
So when it became.
Evident that they needed.

867
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,280
That kind of socialization.
Then they would go, Nikki got a

868
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,200
job actually at 1 of I think the
preschool scholar was going to

869
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,280
for a while and then realized,
oh preschools are nightmares.

870
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,720
So pulled her out of that.
They both ended up going to

871
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:28,320
Queen of Peace Catholic School
for a while when Nikki got her

872
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,840
teaching certificate.
I mean, sure they had that, but

873
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,120
just kind of just to get them to
where she could be there.

874
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,880
So yes and no.
We knew who they associated with

875
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,840
his school because my wife took
him to school once they got into

876
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,200
to the junior highs, because
then we moved them to junior

877
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,120
high in her neighborhood so they
could have friends going into

878
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,520
high school.
We knew some, but not a lot.

879
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,800
But we were also those parents
that would grab the phone.

880
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,760
Hey, give me your phone.
I want to see, I want to scroll

881
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:55,800
through it, you know, and, and
so once, once your teenager

882
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,120
starts fighting that, then, you
know, there's an issue which we

883
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,400
didn't, we didn't really think
there was an issue like it was.

884
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,840
But so we, we knew, but we
didn't know everybody because

885
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,840
it's impossible to know that.
These children associate.

886
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,640
With because it's it's just
impossible.

887
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,840
Back then it wasn't.
Yeah, back then it wasn't as bad

888
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,000
as it is now because of the
online and the Google machine

889
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,480
and access to everything.
And and just so you know,

890
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:21,920
Martha, I have I have your
books.

891
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:23,440
Thanks up on them.
I see.

892
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,080
Thank you on the.
Screen here while you're.

893
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,440
Chatting so just so people can
yeah, just so people can.

894
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,960
Is it just the one yes that you
wrote is responsible in?

895
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,360
The purple, that's the one I
wrote.

896
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,720
I'm I just have a story in the
cookbook and practical

897
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:39,160
happiness.
She interviewed me.

898
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,960
Yep, Yep.
Right, you're right.

899
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,040
Remember yeah, yeah, I remember
that.

900
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,680
That's pretty cool.
That's why that pops up, which

901
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,720
is cool.
And until they interview,

902
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:50,280
interview.
And then this is your actual

903
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,800
book that she wrote, OK, Because
I you know, again, we're all

904
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,040
about.
We're all about and you know

905
00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:56,680
some.
People buy my book and give it

906
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,360
to, you know, 70s you paid give.
It to their therapist quick.

907
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:00,120
Read.
That's good.

908
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:00,680
That's.
Good.

909
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,680
So some people buy the book.
They give it to their therapist,

910
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:07,240
to their pastor, to their
teachers, because it's, it's so

911
00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:09,880
useful.
And, and you know, we're talking

912
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,920
about social media and, and your
kids.

913
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,280
One man, what he does is to know
who his children's friends are.

914
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,240
Every month they have a, a
Friday night where they invite

915
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:21,960
all their friends over for
dinner.

916
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,440
So that way the parents get to
meet the children because you

917
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,360
need to know who your kids are
hanging with.

918
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,360
Some of these kids these days
especially, they're exposed to a

919
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,960
lot of stuff they shouldn't be,
and they're hanging around with

920
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,920
kids who don't have good morals
and ethics.

921
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:42,640
That was a necessity.
When we were growing up.

922
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,760
That was absolutely a.
Necessity when we were growing

923
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,200
up, and I think my mom would
tell you, she would laugh

924
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,720
because it would, she would
never change the way she raised

925
00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:54,280
us, but she would say careful
what you wish for because she

926
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:59,320
has after kids.
As soon as you meet my.

927
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,280
Mother, she becomes your mother
too.

928
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,600
That's just, that's the way she
operates.

929
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,560
So I have friends that call my
mother unbeknownst to me, right?

930
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,720
Well, I talked to your mom
couple weeks ago and she really

931
00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:12,600
helped me out.
Which that's a.

932
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,480
It's awesome.
It's a small town thing too.

933
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,440
When you're growing up, it's
like everybody knew everything

934
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,600
about you because you're a small
town, right?

935
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,640
For sure.
So, so boys and girls that are

936
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,160
paying attention right now, I'm
on the Amazon.

937
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,880
What a lot of people don't
realize.

938
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,520
It's real simple.
You can get if you order today.

939
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:30,920
What a lot of people don't
realize.

940
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,760
Is the effect other?
Yeah.

941
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,560
If you order today, you get.
It with them you have on your

942
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,480
kids.
I might, I don't know.

943
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,400
I.
Might is the what up and out So

944
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,480
a lot of people don't realize
the effect other children.

945
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:47,840
Oh yeah, on your kids.
So you have that's you have to.

946
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,440
Really pay attention to that and
also I one thing to ask your

947
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,800
child every day when they come
home from school.

948
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,960
That's got good.
Yes.

949
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,520
So but there while.
We're waiting for Martha to come

950
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,280
back on there, not what happened
at school today.

951
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,200
But what's the best thing and
the worst thing that happened to

952
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,880
you at school?
15 bucks and then.

953
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,560
You share what?
Was the best or worst thing that

954
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:05,960
happened to you Very
interesting.

955
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:07,760
Then you have a common read.
It's.

956
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,480
Only 72 pages.
Which means it's probably a

957
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,360
really good easy read, which is
nice because you know, audio

958
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,160
book wise should probably be
done with this thing in about

959
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:16,960
1/2 an hour.
If it's, you know, which is

960
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,000
good.
I mean, you want something

961
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,880
quick, quick hitting to give you
all the information that which

962
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,200
is cool, 70 pages is nice is
written in English.

963
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,000
That's good.
It's.

964
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:30,360
Been out for over a year.
It's a small book, you know, but

965
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:31,880
that's cool.
So if you're looking for

966
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,560
something to help your children
or help you raise your children

967
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:38,800
to be happy and responsible,
yes, there you go.

968
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,200
There you go.
That's good.

969
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,400
I'll stop sharing that.
But it's there, which is kind of

970
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,960
funny, Mike, because a friend of
ours that we used to live next

971
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,480
to.
The the wife.

972
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:54,160
Had posted something.
Like all these doctored.

973
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,840
Up pictures right So she looks
all prim and proper right?

974
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,040
Like model ish and like.
She's been married, probably for

975
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,640
20.
Five years, right?

976
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,160
She was married for like 25
years or so, and then all of a

977
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,760
sudden she starts popping up on
Nikki's feed as a dating in a

978
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,000
relationship coach.
Excuse me?

979
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:17,000
I haven't been in the dating
realm for 32 years.

980
00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:19,920
Somebody behind you?
I know Amazon, so how the.

981
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,360
Hell actually UPS, so how the
hell am I going to go become a

982
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,880
relationship and dating expert
when?

983
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,560
I haven't.
Been in the dating pool.

984
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,680
Relationship expert.
Well, I could be a relationship

985
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,920
expert on my relationship with
one person, but it's just when

986
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,520
she started telling herself I
was like that's you could be a

987
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:39,720
bullshit.
Yeah, you could be a

988
00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:42,880
relationship expert for sure,
because you've been married for

989
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,240
how many years we've been
together?

990
00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:48,000
30 I forget if it's so you've
been with the same.

991
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,400
Person for over 30 years right
and it qualifies you as a

992
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,840
relationship expert if your goal
is to stay with the same person

993
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,960
right correct but you.
Are not a.

994
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,800
Dating expert No, because you
have not dated someone since

995
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,800
what, the 80s, nineties, 90s?
And that's early. 90s, nineties,

996
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,440
yeah.
And that's the thing with.

997
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:08,360
With this.
Person it's.

998
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,000
Like you, the dating part?
No.

999
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,040
Like you, you have no.
You have no experience.

1000
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,760
Anymore agree with you 100%.
There so you know it's.

1001
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,080
Nice that Martha.
It would have been nice if

1002
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,320
Martha had two kids because then
you would have seen the

1003
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,920
dichotomy between the two.
And yeah, I always like how you.

1004
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,880
Answered that question for
Skyler and Jake you're my

1005
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,360
favorite daughter you're my
favorite son that's right that's

1006
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,320
all that problem very quickly
right even though.

1007
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:35,000
You and then they still come at
you.

1008
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,440
Hey, I still know I'm your
favorite, of course.

1009
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,080
Yeah, you know.
Which is.

1010
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,560
Always fun.
But yeah, so that's interesting.

1011
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:49,400
That's an interesting approach
to it, you know, but but she's,

1012
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:50,920
you know, she lived and breathed
and that's cool.

1013
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,720
You know, that's really cool.
So again, because we're waiting

1014
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:55,640
for her, I don't know if she'll
come back on or not, but I

1015
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:56,920
don't.
I got to start getting people's

1016
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,440
phone numbers, man.
But I'll share the screen again

1017
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,160
so you guys can see how to find
Martha's book.

1018
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,280
It's on Amazon.
It's real simple.

1019
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,840
Yes.
You can raise happy, responsible

1020
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,120
children.
So there it is.

1021
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,880
I'll tell you what.
Sells it for me if if I wanted

1022
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,480
somebody that I thought could
teach me something.

1023
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,080
Just the fact that she was a
professor, she spent her whole

1024
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,040
life around children, right?
She spent a.

1025
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,080
Lot of time.
With troubled children in the

1026
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,080
jails, with a a, those are the
kind of people that you want to

1027
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:35,480
read their expertise because
they've seen people at their

1028
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,960
worst.
Yes, as you and I were and come

1029
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,760
out the other side to be
healthy, productive members of

1030
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,320
society doesn't mean that you
and I are living our life the

1031
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,800
way that everybody else would.
There's plenty of people that

1032
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,120
would look at us and say I would
never live my life that way.

1033
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:50,800
Right, right, right.
But this works.

1034
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,240
For us.
Yeah, and we're not hurting

1035
00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:56,120
anybody, and we're paying our
taxes and doing all the stupid

1036
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,000
bullshit that society says we're
supposed to.

1037
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:58,760
Right?
Right.

1038
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,720
I think that woman could give
you the.

1039
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,440
Tools.
And I guess.

1040
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,560
Tools is the right.
Word to speak to your children

1041
00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:12,840
to get them to the other side,
to where they're not going to

1042
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:13,960
end up dying.
An addict.

1043
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,320
Yeah, so.
In in the back of her book, it

1044
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,720
says it's up on the screen.
The pages of this book are full

1045
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:20,680
of practical wisdom and
compassionate insight.

1046
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:22,320
And that's what you need.
Practical.

1047
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:23,600
That's a good word.
Exactly.

1048
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,200
It's a.
Valuable guide that addresses

1049
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,520
everyday challenges that every
parent faces, providing what you

1050
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,400
just said in.
Valuable tools to help parents

1051
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,320
achieve the outcomes they want
while helping their children

1052
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:34,960
flourish emotionally and
intellectually.

1053
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:38,800
Right.
That's that's a good, Yeah,

1054
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:40,480
that's.
A Yeah, that's a good.

1055
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,840
Summary What sets this book
apart is its thorough approach

1056
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,960
to addressing the multifaceted
aspects of parenting which

1057
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,160
they're everywhere nowadays.
A special social media and the

1058
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,760
access to everything at your
fingertips from positive,

1059
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,920
positive approaches to dealing
with discipline and corrective

1060
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,000
behavior.
Is it really discipline anymore?

1061
00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:00,720
Now here's a funny story about
discipline.

1062
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:02,360
Right.
So Tripp and Anthony were over

1063
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,480
at the house after it rained
last week and.

1064
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,240
Tripp's a stubborn.
Little man.

1065
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:10,880
And he keeps trying to pull out
Anthony Sandra.

1066
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,040
He wants to write it, wants to
write it.

1067
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,080
We're like, no, no, because it
just rained, so everything was

1068
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,880
super wet.
So Sky went.

1069
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,120
Over there, Just tapped him in
the butt, like OK, he's wearing

1070
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:19,880
a diaper.
Tapped in the butt.

1071
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,480
He turned around.
Like what?

1072
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,640
What?
And then he was doing again

1073
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:24,880
she's.
Like you want dad spanking the

1074
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,000
butt So then he starts walking
away and puts his hand behind

1075
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,720
his butt to cover to cover his.
Butt did he have that?

1076
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:33,480
How dare you?
Look on his face, right?

1077
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,040
Exactly.
But then when she said dad, he

1078
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,280
legit took his hand and covered
his butt.

1079
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,760
So if if his dad was there, he
was like, you can't hit my butt

1080
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:42,840
because he got my hand in front
of it.

1081
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,720
Total 2 year old mindset, right?
But it wasn't it wasn't a

1082
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:49,240
dramatic Oh my God, I just
spanked trip so hard.

1083
00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:50,800
Bob.
It was a it was a tap on the

1084
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,480
butt, which is padded by a
diaper.

1085
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,440
For those who don't believe in
spanking your kids, get over it.

1086
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,920
Every kid needs to be spanked at
some point in time.

1087
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,640
My child right there is.
Leaving the room, the Marine

1088
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,840
he's been spanked.
He.

1089
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,560
Turned into a Marine.
Right, he turned into a marine.

1090
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,000
And he's going to pop on the
screen.

1091
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,040
Hold on.
There you go, Jake.

1092
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:11,760
There's there's the Marine.
It's not abuse.

1093
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,760
It's not abuse.
Tell Jake.

1094
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,920
I said what?
Up, Mike says what?

1095
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,760
Up.
As balloons start flying on the

1096
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,680
screen there Mike, that must
happen when I.

1097
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,200
Give the peace sign.
It must.

1098
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,600
It must.
So, so if you want to, if you

1099
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,400
want to learn, you want to add
some tools, as Mike said, to

1100
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:31,040
your arsenal when raising
children, go by Martha's book.

1101
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,000
Why not?
It's 72 pages, it's 15 bucks.

1102
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,280
You can give you some insight on
things that you may struggle

1103
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,720
with.
Like you've heard me say on the

1104
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:40,800
show, I was a first time father
to my daughter, was a first time

1105
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,520
father to my son.
And they were different,

1106
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,920
different parenting approaches
because they were different

1107
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,280
kids.
They were different.

1108
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,840
It's kind of like my.
Mom said a million times when

1109
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,240
you go to apply for a job, you
know what you're getting into,

1110
00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:54,760
right?
You fill out an application,

1111
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,600
they explain this is what's
expected of you.

1112
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,000
And you know going into it, this
is what I'm going to be doing

1113
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,680
every day.
No one hands you a book at the

1114
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,800
hospital when your child's born
and says, no, this is how you're

1115
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,240
going to raise Jake.
This is how you're going to

1116
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:11,920
raise Skyler, right?
Here's an instruction manual.

1117
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,520
This will get you from age 0 to
18.

1118
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:15,960
Yeah.
Oh yeah.

1119
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,160
So there's nothing.
And she went.

1120
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,960
Through I'm not going to, if she
ever wants to come tell her

1121
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:22,800
parenting story, she's more than
welcome.

1122
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,320
She knows that.
So I'll let her talk for

1123
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,280
herself.
But I will say that she actively

1124
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:33,720
sought out many different
avenues of help to make sure

1125
00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:36,840
that what she was thinking was
that, you know, because

1126
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,200
sometimes you're doing something
that you think is the right

1127
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,160
thing.
And, you know, halfway through

1128
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,320
it, I'm sure you went through
and I'm sure Nikki went through

1129
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,400
it.
Am I damaging my child by doing

1130
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,240
this?
You know, am I doing the right

1131
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:48,720
thing?
Am I?

1132
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,200
Because you always want, and
we've said this a million times,

1133
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,160
we want their lives to turn out
better than ours, right?

1134
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:56,800
That's your goal as a parent,
right?

1135
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,440
A prime example.
Too is is is Frank Gallagher

1136
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,680
right He he didn't do shit to
raise his kids, but they all

1137
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,160
came out productive pierces of
persons of society.

1138
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,200
You know what in his odd.
Little way he loved them.

1139
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,000
Oh, he did we.
Just we just we just finished

1140
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,880
the season last the the series
last night for the second time

1141
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,880
and it's a trip what you pick up
the second time around when you

1142
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,560
watch something.
But the letter that he writes to

1143
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,960
to his family.
And if I'm not going to, I mean,

1144
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:25,920
you've everybody's probably seen
shameless, but you haven't.

1145
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,280
I'm not going to I'm not going
to run it for you.

1146
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,800
If you haven't seen the series
shameless, then go watch it.

1147
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:34,560
Go watch it because it it truly
epitomizes growing up.

1148
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,480
Not necessarily poor, but kind
of hand, you know, hand to

1149
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:39,560
mouth.
You know what I mean?

1150
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:40,960
Like you're getting by day
today.

1151
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,200
Yeah, and.
And the struggles that you have

1152
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,160
with that and then and there's
addiction rolled into that and

1153
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,440
there's abuse rolled into that
and there's violence holding.

1154
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,960
It's just I reference.
It every now and then which?

1155
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,080
I don't think Martha caught what
I was saying when I reference

1156
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,040
she definitely had not watched.
She, she thought this was a real

1157
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,720
family, which is what makes it
funny.

1158
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,160
Yeah.
So we weren't.

1159
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:01,440
Poking fun at you, Martha at
all.

1160
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,600
So it's sex that we lost her.
But yeah.

1161
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,640
So if you want to, if you want
to find out about Martha, just

1162
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:10,680
Martha Burech BURBURICH, go to
Amazon.

1163
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:15,520
She's got that book.
You know, if I, like Mike said I

1164
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,640
had no example, like Mike had
great examples as a parent.

1165
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:20,680
So if.
I ever wanted to.

1166
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,760
Have kids.
I would have had a lot of tools

1167
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,120
to draw from to raise my own
children to get my little

1168
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:26,800
started.
Yeah.

1169
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:28,560
And I had were.
Amazing.

1170
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:30,920
And then my parents are amazing.
They're both still.

1171
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:31,480
Alive.
Sorry.

1172
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,360
Yeah.
You are amazing and then they

1173
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,200
were amazing as parents.
Yes, let me save.

1174
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,240
Myself.
Yes, and I had an amazing.

1175
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:40,200
Grandmother, I had an amazing
aunt.

1176
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,000
Unfortunately, yeah, that's
where it ends for my amazing

1177
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,040
part of my family.
So.

1178
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,880
But would you say that when?
Let me ask you it this way, if

1179
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,880
you had not had those two women
in your life that you cite as

1180
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:56,040
examples of responsible adults,
do you think you would still

1181
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:57,760
turned out to be who you are
today?

1182
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,080
I my my.
Aunt, my aunt and I's

1183
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,120
relationship was it developed
over time because they were,

1184
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,840
they were always in Illinois.
I would say the last five years

1185
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,280
of my aunt's life, we we
connected a little bit more just

1186
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,360
because of the kids.
How old were you at that point?

1187
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:19,760
She died two years ago.
So OK, late 40s because we, we

1188
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,560
began it.
It's one of those things where

1189
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,920
you were.
Well, that answers my.

1190
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,520
Question because you were
already established as an adult

1191
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,240
her right?
But her and her, her and my

1192
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:31,400
uncle, they weren't, they
weren't into texting.

1193
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:36,080
So once, once they kind of like
like, OK, fine, we have to text.

1194
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,040
Then that's kind of what opened
up my aunt and I's relationship,

1195
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,680
my grandmother's relationship
and I, and it's the same with my

1196
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,360
brother, with my grandmother,
She was very involved in our

1197
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:46,520
lives.
It was every week.

1198
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,440
And there was a phone call set.
I forget Sunday morning and I

1199
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,960
want to say 8:00 AM or something
to Emily religiously, every

1200
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,920
single week she would write us
letters, which then, you know,

1201
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,880
we would turn around and respond
to those letters, which is how I

1202
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,480
kind of, I think began my love
for writing because it's, you

1203
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,600
know, every, every week I got a
letter from my grandmother.

1204
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,440
And I wish I would have saved
them because that would have

1205
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,040
been, you know, cool to look
back on an entire, and I'm

1206
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,680
talking an entire lifetime from
the time I could read, which was

1207
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:19,560
probably about, you know, 7.
Fuck man, until I don't.

1208
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,880
Know when she died I mean, I got
letters.

1209
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,360
It wasn't.
She was in Illinois.

1210
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:24,720
Yeah.
Yeah.

1211
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,200
So she wrote you from.
Illinois to Arizona every week.

1212
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,480
That's awesome, man.
Yeah, and there's the phone.

1213
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,840
Calls.
And then when I struggled, I

1214
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,480
talked.
To my Grammy all the time, man,

1215
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,960
that would be my great grandma.
I was super young when she died.

1216
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,760
I was probably 9.
But my my mom's mom, I spent a

1217
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,640
lot of time with her talking
about things that I couldn't

1218
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,720
talk about my mom with at the
time because it would have

1219
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,520
freaked her out, you know,
right?

1220
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,080
And I I respected.
My mom enough to know what would

1221
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,040
make her stay up at night.
You know what I'm saying?

1222
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:55,280
Yeah.
Yeah, I do even.

1223
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,720
As a young man.
Or even as a young boy, like

1224
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,000
1516, when you're starting to do
shit that you probably

1225
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,520
shouldn't, that you don't want
your mother to know about,

1226
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,800
right?
I would go talk to my Grammy

1227
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,400
about that and you and just so.
You know your mother still know

1228
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,840
about it because your Grammy
told her she did not.

1229
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:12,880
Really, she did.
Not and my.

1230
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,960
Mom, my mom would come on here
and testify because I've asked

1231
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,040
her as an adult, you know,
that's amazing.

1232
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,160
That's cool.
Unless my life.

1233
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,760
Was in danger.
She never, you know, betrayed my

1234
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,400
confidence.
And I don't think there was ever

1235
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,480
a situation where my Grammy knew
my life was in danger.

1236
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,560
No, she's never.
That's awesome, man.

1237
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,000
I'd be like don't tell.
My mom this and I and she knew I

1238
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:38,400
needed somebody to talk to other
than, you know, yeah, my Grammy

1239
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,920
was wise being beyond her years
so well and I think.

1240
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,280
I think every grandparent is
because being now that I'm a pop

1241
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,880
pop sure.
You you take.

1242
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,160
My mom's in.
The same boat now she's not

1243
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:51,480
honest.
You you take.

1244
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,040
You take everything that you
knew you did when you raised

1245
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,680
your own kids, the the successes
and the failures, right?

1246
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,440
And then you're more patient
when the grandkids come along

1247
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:02,680
because you kind of been there,
done that.

1248
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,560
We all agree in my little unit
of life that that I'm the one

1249
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,480
that Anthony respects the most,
but I'm the one that initially

1250
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,560
disciplined him when he was
younger and needed to have his

1251
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,720
little butt smacked.
My dad has that role.

1252
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:17,920
In our as the patriarch, right,
right, right.

1253
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,440
A lot of people look at him as
the disciplinarian, but they

1254
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:24,800
also, he's also the first person
that a lot of us respect.

1255
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,000
Right?
Yeah, yeah.

1256
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,000
Yeah.
And then for that, he walked the

1257
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,560
walk just.
Like you walked the walk, he

1258
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:33,160
went to work every day for 32
years, six days a week, 12 hours

1259
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,760
a day when needed.
So when?

1260
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,040
He talks you.
Have to listen even when you

1261
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,240
don't want to.
Just like you, you've provided

1262
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:45,120
for your family, provided them a
stable, healthy environment to

1263
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:47,360
mature.
In right.

1264
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,880
My dad did the same thing.
So when Steele talks, people

1265
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,320
have to listen, right?
It's like that.

1266
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,080
You have Hutton when.
You have Hutton talks, people

1267
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,920
listen, yeah, but I'm sure you.
Demand the same thing.

1268
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:01,720
His whole thing was to get you
to understand that if you want

1269
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:06,440
to have your own opinion and you
want to live your life this your

1270
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:10,400
own way, you're going to do it
in your own house, right?

1271
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:15,800
So you have to pick yourself up
enough and become independent

1272
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,360
enough to have your own opinion,
right?

1273
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,480
That's what I got out of what he
asked of me.

1274
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:23,760
And I don't think that's too
much to ask of anybody.

1275
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,560
No, he's fine with.
You having your own opinion, but

1276
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,640
not in his house, right?
It's like in in my house, we're

1277
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,120
going to do things my way
because this is what's worked

1278
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,200
for me.
That makes sense.

1279
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,080
And then it sounds brutally
harsh.

1280
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,720
But but but he does it in the
nicest way possible.

1281
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,360
He really does, but it's not.
Brutally harsh because that's

1282
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,360
that's the the what is it?
The the tested over time.

1283
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:49,680
Yeah, you know that.
And in.

1284
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,440
His joking.
Manner, he'll say, you know, if

1285
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,120
I didn't do that, I'd have 70
people living in here and you

1286
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,720
know, we just can't have that.
The house isn't that big, right?

1287
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,400
It's not the Gallaghers.
Household right where you you

1288
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,120
know Carl brings over his entire
Tamale rolling Mexican family

1289
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,520
because he has a crush on the
daughter you know so yeah you

1290
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,200
know it's it's it's and I don't
know how your.

1291
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,080
Dichotomy works in your house,
and I'm sure it's a probably

1292
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,760
fairly similar to what I grew up
in, but my mother was the person

1293
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,400
that would take anybody in and
feed them.

1294
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,640
And do you know, that's the way
it's supposed to be?

1295
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,920
And then my dad would be like,
OK, you've been here long

1296
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:22,640
enough, now here's what's going
to happen next.

1297
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,200
Yeah.
We kind of like, well, we have.

1298
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,040
Mickey and Edwards not really
good cop bad.

1299
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,080
Cop I don't want to say no, but
we were no.

1300
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:31,840
No, but we were.
We were empty nesters.

1301
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,760
And then Skylar dropped the bomb
and that.

1302
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,600
Completely changed our.
Life so it's it's a good it's

1303
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,240
good and bad right because we
were at that point in our lives

1304
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,760
where it's like Nikki and I can
now go do focus on us and we got

1305
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,520
married young enough that you
know I had somebody the other

1306
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:50,200
day was blown away when when I
told her one of my listing

1307
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,680
appointments blown away when I
told her I had two grandkids.

1308
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,240
She's like you don't look old
enough to have grandchildren.

1309
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:59,480
I'm like, I thank you, I know,
but that's the thing we we

1310
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:05,280
literally like we were done like
we literally that's.

1311
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,360
Like yay we're.
Free now we can start doing our

1312
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:12,040
own things and and that changed
so we're not that family that's

1313
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:15,160
like, oh, anybody can come, you
know come in and you know we're

1314
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,240
going to feed you that kind of
stuff we're not that thing but

1315
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,720
it's because it's just.
Nikki I Skyler.

1316
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:26,160
And Jake, and now we have June
and and, and Tripp and Anthony

1317
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,440
and then June's family.
That's kind of it.

1318
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:30,880
Like now since my aunt passed
away, my grandmother passed

1319
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,640
away, That's kind of it.
There's no my.

1320
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,200
Brother and I have. 2-3
conversations a year, two of

1321
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:39,240
which are on birthdays and that
and that's fine because that's

1322
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,200
our relationship there's nothing
good or bad about that.

1323
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:44,440
It is what it is right?
So that's kind of it.

1324
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,280
I don't have I don't have the
luxury and of the big family,

1325
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,280
which it isn't a bad thing
because they don't have to deal

1326
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,920
with the the neither one of us
have to deal with the evil in

1327
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,040
laws, right, Because the in laws
are always evil.

1328
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,600
Neither one of us have to deal
with chaos at Hallow, at

1329
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:03,400
Thanksgiving and Christmas and
you know, all that stuff, which

1330
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:04,560
sometimes.
Yeah.

1331
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:05,960
Here's we're looking at it from
the.

1332
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,600
Outside and for me, because I
never had a family other than my

1333
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,760
own, right, the one I grew up
in, right.

1334
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:16,240
And even there, you know,
everybody's an individual.

1335
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:21,400
So the way that I look at life
is so many people, they think

1336
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,120
that they have to hang on to
this original family, right?

1337
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:29,000
That's only true if that
original family is deserving.

1338
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:33,080
You know, like in your case, why
would you go to your mother's

1339
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,120
house for dinner on Sunday to
have her tell you what a

1340
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:39,160
horrible piece of shit you were
growing up every day or

1341
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,520
whatever, whatever kind of
negativity in your life would

1342
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:44,480
succumb to doing that every
Sunday?

1343
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,880
Why would you do that?
Just because she's your mother,

1344
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:48,800
right?
Well, that's kind of why I.

1345
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,480
Referenced the, the Mickey
Milkovich and Terry Milkovich

1346
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,560
situation because the way they
wrote that, you've seen

1347
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:56,320
Shameless, right?
Terry was an asshole.

1348
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,960
He was an asshole, Yeah.
And like, there's no other way

1349
01:03:59,960 --> 01:04:02,320
to phrase that.
Like the the character's just a

1350
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,160
straight up asshole.
I still can't think of that

1351
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:06,480
fucking.
Term that you're trying to say,

1352
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,920
It's bothered me the whole
podcast, by the way, I want to

1353
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:11,840
say it's the Florence
Nightingale syndrome.

1354
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:13,160
There it is.
There it is, Florence.

1355
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,920
Nightingale syndrome, Yes, I
think it's the Nightingale

1356
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,360
syndrome.
Right, OK, but that's that's why

1357
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,240
I was.
Getting that and the validation

1358
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,600
like Mickey's character was
seeking validation and he was

1359
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,680
emotional and distraught when
his after Terry was after after

1360
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,520
the nun killed Terry and and and
Ian's like what the fuck is

1361
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,760
wrong with you man?
And Mickey doesn't know, but

1362
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,040
it's.
I don't know.

1363
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:37,720
How I'm going to honestly react
when when both my parents leave

1364
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:39,320
this earth?
I don't think I'm going to have

1365
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,040
any emotional reaction to it
because I don't think you are

1366
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:44,040
either.
My father's so removed.

1367
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:45,760
From me.
He was there to donate his sperm

1368
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:47,720
and that was it.
And the fact that if you're

1369
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,880
watching this, you prick, the
fact that he disowned me because

1370
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:54,480
I didn't respond to a random
anonymous gift that he sent to

1371
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:59,360
Anthony five years ago.
It's just just shows you how

1372
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:03,800
petty and what a what just an
insecure, inadequate human he is

1373
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,000
because he willingly let us
leave the state and had

1374
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:12,800
absolutely no desire and never
tried to actually be involved in

1375
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:14,320
our life.
He was a threat growing up.

1376
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,000
Do you want to go live with your
father?

1377
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,840
No, I don't want to go live with
my father because she painted a

1378
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:22,360
picture of him being such as
monumental asshole, which, you

1379
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:23,640
know, obviously.
His side of the story is

1380
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,360
completely.
Different, which is why they're

1381
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,680
2.
They were Frank and Monica just

1382
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:29,120
in a well.
That's why this important.

1383
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,160
That's why this conversation is
important, because you're

1384
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,320
proving my point, right.
So to everybody out there that's

1385
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,640
listening to this, that feels
guilty that they're not talking

1386
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,440
to people that were abusive to
them just because they're their

1387
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:44,200
family, give that shit up.
Yes, right.

1388
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,760
That.
Guilt is not guilt that you need

1389
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:50,280
to bear.
The person that did that to you

1390
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:55,520
should feel guilty as shit.
And to Chris's point, normally

1391
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,160
they don't because there's such.
What's the word that's?

1392
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,440
Thank you man.
That was going to elude me.

1393
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,120
There's such narcissist that
there are.

1394
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,560
The reason you feel guilty is
because they keep throwing it

1395
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,320
back in your court, right?
Yep.

1396
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,120
Why don't you ever call me?
Yep.

1397
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,320
You know, the fact, Yeah, the
fact that we don't talk is

1398
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,080
that's your fault, right?
You.

1399
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:17,360
The phone works both ways,
ladies and gentlemen.

1400
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:18,640
Yes, it does.
And I.

1401
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,800
I just tested.
This theory on someone that

1402
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:25,480
meant a lot to me.
And I think I I was taught that

1403
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:28,080
I didn't mean as much to that
person as I thought I did.

1404
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:28,880
Right.
Right.

1405
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:33,840
Because I was on the weird
initiating all the conversation.

1406
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,560
Yeah, No, I've been there.
Done that with my brother and

1407
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,480
not not anything ill will for my
brother at all because he's

1408
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,160
never done anything to to harm
me in any way shape or form.

1409
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,800
But.
I tried for years to be.

1410
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,240
Involved in his life.
And it was always me reaching

1411
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:49,040
out, me reaching out, let's do
this, let's do this, let's do

1412
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:50,120
this.
And finally you just get the

1413
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:51,440
point where I'm fucked.
And I'm tired of that.

1414
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:52,960
I'm tired of being the 1 to
reach out.

1415
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,640
So I just stopped.
And that's that's evolved to

1416
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:58,280
really 3-4 conversations a year
and that's it.

1417
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,120
And like you said earlier.
That's our relationship and

1418
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,320
that's fine.
It's fine because.

1419
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,160
That's that's what we've garbage
headed towards now, you would

1420
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,680
think because.
You went through the trauma.

1421
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,760
We went through as siblings, it
would be different, but we

1422
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,760
learned when we went back to my
grandmother's funeral because he

1423
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:18,320
was two years older than me.
And when when our father left us

1424
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:22,600
there, the story my grandmother
told and my aunt told was he was

1425
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:26,400
so taken back by that that he
would they would see him sitting

1426
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,840
in the picture window for hours,
staring outside for hours

1427
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,240
waiting for him to come home.
And he.

1428
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,520
Never came home.
And then we.

1429
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,680
Had to.
Uproot and leave Arizona or

1430
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:37,880
leave Illinois to come to
Arizona because of my as being

1431
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,080
so bad.
So when he and I basically went

1432
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:44,280
to the funeral and rented a car
and drove all the back roads

1433
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:47,920
from where I think we went to
Saint Louis and then drove all

1434
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,160
the back roads to Abington,
Illinois, where everything was

1435
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,760
happening.
But in.

1436
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,640
That time we had conversations
that that we never really had

1437
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:58,400
growing up because we weren't
mature enough to have those

1438
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:02,000
conversations and and it kind of
came out in a conversation that

1439
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:04,160
he.
Always harbored a grudge.

1440
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,720
Against me because I'm the
reason we left Illinois, because

1441
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:08,800
that's he knew it.
He knew enough of Illinois then

1442
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,840
because he was 5.
So we had enough memories and,

1443
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:17,640
and, and the family and stuff
that was around there on my on

1444
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:18,080
my.
Mother.

1445
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,479
'S side, the family dynamic was
fantastic, which is mind

1446
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:24,920
boggling because she's such a
fuck and and my father's dynamic

1447
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:26,600
family, they were fucking
assholes.

1448
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,080
That's where I get the the lack
of empathy.

1449
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,960
I think that comes from the
Dunham side because really,

1450
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,920
David Dunham could give a fuck
about me or my brother.

1451
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,240
His parents could give a fuck
about me or my brother.

1452
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,520
There was nothing.
There was no grandparents type

1453
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:43,479
connection at all with them.
They didn't write letters, they

1454
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:45,279
didn't call us.
We were just kind of a by

1455
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:46,000
product.
They.

1456
01:08:47,319 --> 01:08:49,920
They loved.
David's older brother John more

1457
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,520
than loved David, kind of like
what Martha was alluding to.

1458
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:55,160
So David was kind of pushed to
the side.

1459
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:57,359
So I think in turn, that's where
he learned to push everybody to

1460
01:08:57,359 --> 01:08:59,000
the side, which is why he has no
empathy.

1461
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,560
And you know, he had one of
those jobs where he he put on

1462
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:03,120
his headphones.
This is one of the 12

1463
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,000
conversations I've had with him
in my lifetime where he, he

1464
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:07,720
loved Pink Floyd.
So he'd put on his headphones at

1465
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:10,240
work and just ignore everybody
and just do his work.

1466
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:14,720
He was some kind of auditor for
the state I the state revenue in

1467
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,920
Illinois, so.
He was, you know, living.

1468
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:21,520
In a cubicle, listening to music
all day, interacting with no

1469
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,319
one, you know, and just decided
he didn't want anything to do

1470
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:25,560
with us, which, you know, so be
it.

1471
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:26,920
But I don't.
Well, that you know, that was

1472
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,560
common.
Back then too man, like you were

1473
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,240
saying, when Martha was on it
was even more common.

1474
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:36,920
The generation before that where
a woman would get pregnant and.

1475
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:41,000
They would get married just.
Because the woman was pregnant,

1476
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:42,800
right?
That was the sole reason that

1477
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:46,240
these two people got together
because in the, you know,

1478
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:50,160
everybody was pretty much still
adhering to the laws of the

1479
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:55,120
church, you know, So if if you
were married, if you had a child

1480
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:58,840
out of wedlock, that was you
were posture.

1481
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,680
You right you were, especially
in a town this size.

1482
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:02,760
Right.
And you were sitting?

1483
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:04,040
Yeah.
But you were.

1484
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,360
You were sent away.
To the home for wayward boys and

1485
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:09,360
girls.
Exactly you Whoa, what the fuck,

1486
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:10,960
man?
So the.

1487
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:14,000
Result is what you just
described.

1488
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:17,480
You have a person who never
really wanted children working a

1489
01:10:17,480 --> 01:10:19,720
job they never really wanted to
go to.

1490
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,520
So it goes back to, I think it
was Walt Whitman, one of those

1491
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:28,520
guys said most men live lives of
quiet desperation.

1492
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,440
I love that quote.
Yeah, Yeah.

1493
01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:34,680
That is, yeah, most men live.
Lives of quiet desperation,

1494
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:38,160
meaning that they are doing
something they don't want to do

1495
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:41,440
every day, and longing for what
they really wanted to do as a

1496
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:42,160
boy.
Right?

1497
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:45,560
Yeah, Yeah.
Martha messaged us.

1498
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,400
I just I had my phone upside
down when we do the show so.

1499
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:55,520
She's lost a connection.
It won't reconnect.

1500
01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:01,640
I'll just that's OK, that's.
OK, we've spoke very highly of

1501
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:05,760
you and and plugged your book
and stuff, so tell her what

1502
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:06,840
happens That was.
Fun.

1503
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:07,920
We'll have you.
We'll have you back.

1504
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,720
On, you know, no big deal.
We'll continue the conversation

1505
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,640
at some point in 2026.
Martha was cool.

1506
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:18,360
She was cool and it's automatic.
I think it's on Mellencamp.

1507
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:21,840
And I just heard that like.
Three days ago.

1508
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:23,240
How crazy is that?
That's right.

1509
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:24,640
Awesome.
It is awesome.

1510
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:28,520
At the big Big Daddy's a good
album, man, Martha says she.

1511
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:32,520
Don't need no stinking man
making no decisions for her yo.

1512
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:37,640
Yo-yo, I would pull it up.
But I'm afraid I'm oh, we'll get

1513
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:39,280
booted for.
Sure, we'll get booted, but

1514
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,200
yeah.
So now that's going to be our

1515
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:42,600
new.
Thing we'll get booted off the

1516
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:45,280
YouTube.
Yeah, but you know.

1517
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:49,600
Into a drinking game.
Water, of course.

1518
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:51,600
Drinking water?
Yeah, drinking water, Kool.

1519
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:53,760
Aid shots have some.
Kool-aid shots yes without

1520
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,520
strict 9 of course yes, without
the alcohol.

1521
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,880
Just regular kool-aid man No
kool-aid shots.

1522
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:03,400
Hey, do you have?
Access to Disney Plus, having

1523
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:05,240
all those things around.
Yeah, yeah.

1524
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:09,160
Have you watched the new series
called The Ocean, narrated by

1525
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:12,400
David Attenborough, who is now
the greatest narrators on the

1526
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,040
history of the Earth and one of
the greatest explorers?

1527
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,320
Do yourself a favor.
It's an hour and 28 minutes, OK?

1528
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,440
I learned more about the ocean
and how it relates to the Earth

1529
01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:24,560
in that hour and 28 minutes last
night than I have known my whole

1530
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,360
life.
OK, Did you know that the

1531
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:30,800
majority, over half of our
oxygen comes from the ocean?

1532
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:32,080
We were taught that.
Wow.

1533
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,240
The rainforests and the trees.
Yeah.

1534
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:37,680
Yes, they don't even pale in
comparison to the amount of

1535
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:41,840
oxygen that we get from the kelp
and the algae that grows in the

1536
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,400
ocean.
And if that ever dies, we are

1537
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:47,400
FUCKED.
Yes.

1538
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,600
Wow.
Oh yeah, do everybody.

1539
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,640
Everybody that's out there, most
people have access to Disney

1540
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:54,680
Plus.
If you have children watch this

1541
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,200
series called The Ocean,
especially your kids will love

1542
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:01,400
it too because it has a lot of
great, you know, obviously

1543
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,240
cinematography and because
National Geographic did it.

1544
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,680
So, yeah, National.
Geographic.

1545
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:08,200
'S the ball.
Man, that's one thing my

1546
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:09,800
grandmother did.
She sent U.S.

1547
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:14,480
National Geographics
subscription by until I was 18

1548
01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:15,640
years old.
Oh, that's awesome.

1549
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:17,080
Yeah.
And.

1550
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:18,520
That and back then that was
Grandpa.

1551
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:20,760
Or my dad, My dad's dad, my
grandpa.

1552
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:22,920
He subscribed.
To National.

1553
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:24,760
Geographic.
He always had him stacked up out

1554
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:26,040
on his porch.
Yep.

1555
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:28,680
We got in cycle, but she
randomly one day showed up

1556
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,840
Encyclopedias which and for
those you don't understand what

1557
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,200
an encyclopedia is, it was
Google in hard print it was.

1558
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,840
Wikipedia before Wikipedia,
right?

1559
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,360
It was you.
Had the IT was like a book that

1560
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:43,760
was Google and, you know, Google
in hard print.

1561
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:47,320
Right, you have to look shit.
Up but it was I mean that was

1562
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:50,280
the thing like she cared enough
about us for those little things

1563
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:53,160
that and National Geographic
when you're a kid man, I mean

1564
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:56,280
aside from the, you know, to see
the rest of the world right

1565
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,080
aside.
From the topless, the African.

1566
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:00,760
Women, I was just saying aside.
From the topless black women.

1567
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,520
It it, it did it.
Opened up the world to you.

1568
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,400
Like remember seeing them women
with the plates.

1569
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:09,600
In their lips.
Oh yeah, weird man.

1570
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,440
Weird, it's just, but it was it
was fascinating.

1571
01:14:12,440 --> 01:14:15,800
That was that was cool to grow
up and getting those and I don't

1572
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:17,840
know how much I read through
them, but I I definitely would

1573
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,200
look through everything.
It was the one that came up and

1574
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:21,800
for us, you know.
But it was.

1575
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:25,240
It was.
Legit to have to have the she

1576
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:29,960
had the the insight.
To give us the tool to see.

1577
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:33,560
The world without actually
leaving our house, right?

1578
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:35,960
Which Google does which.
Google does now, but.

1579
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,360
You know, so there you go.
That's what I got.

1580
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:42,080
How'd you do this past weekend
in sports?

1581
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:45,880
Because, because fucking.
I started Jackson Dart, but

1582
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:47,920
Jamar Chase had such a shitty
day.

1583
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:52,520
I lost.
Jackson Dart screwed me because

1584
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,440
I'd never would have dreamed he
would have went out there and

1585
01:14:54,440 --> 01:14:55,760
actually won that game.
So.

1586
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,400
I bet on the other team.
Did I put I'd?

1587
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:03,000
See, I, I started Jackson Dart
because I figured one or two

1588
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,760
things are going to happen.
He's going to succeed and keep

1589
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,240
Dabel's job for another week or
he's going to fall flat on the

1590
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:10,960
face and Dabel's going to get
fired and he.

1591
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:12,760
Succeeded.
Yeah, kudos to him, man.

1592
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:14,120
He went.
Out, yeah.

1593
01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:17,200
Yeah, the defensive line the
Giants has is is pretty fucking

1594
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:18,840
fantastic.
It's just they got to do a

1595
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:22,080
little bit of job at at the the
defensive back part of it.

1596
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:26,600
But you know, Cam scataboo
lookout world, because that dude

1597
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:28,760
is just a beast.
And you get that's the cool

1598
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:30,440
thing.
I wish they would do this.

1599
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:34,560
I wish they would put Scataboo
again Singletary in the

1600
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,200
backfield with Jackson Dart.
Have a Titan and a couple wide

1601
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:40,400
receivers over here and say OK
defense who you going to cover?

1602
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,720
That's what that would be.
Awesome, right?

1603
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:43,760
And they've never.
Done it, man.

1604
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:45,880
They didn't do it when they had
Tiki and Brandon or when they

1605
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:47,240
had Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad
Brash.

1606
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:52,240
They never did 22 runners in the
backfield with Tiki and and Ron

1607
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:52,920
Dane.
Never.

1608
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:57,440
It's like you're missing an
opportunity to make the defense

1609
01:15:57,440 --> 01:16:00,840
go what?
Because you have.

1610
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:04,160
Jackson dart is is as mobile as
as the running backs are.

1611
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:08,040
It's like dude just open it up
and then slants, slants, dink

1612
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:09,920
and dunk.
Why don't more teams with rookie

1613
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:13,040
quarterbacks?
Do quick slants.

1614
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,600
Get them in a rhythm right, the
real quick, the quick short

1615
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,200
routes, get them in a rhythm and
then start building from there.

1616
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,280
I don't understand why they
don't do that more with with

1617
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:23,160
quarterbacks regard.
Like Tom Brady beat the Falcons

1618
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:24,920
in the Super Bowl by doing what
in the second-half?

1619
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,400
Just pick 3.
Apart 3 yards. 4 yards. 5 yards,

1620
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:32,600
10 yards, 3 yards, 2 yards, 6
yards, 1 yard negative I heard

1621
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:36,120
Tom Brady talking about.
That and that was obviously a

1622
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:39,680
very conscious decision.
And like he said, if you throw

1623
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:44,120
the ball 4 yards and the next
time you throw it 6 yards, you

1624
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:46,480
got a first down.
If you throw the ball 6 yards

1625
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:48,720
and the next time you throw it 5
yards, you got another first

1626
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:50,880
down.
If you throw the ball 3 yards

1627
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,200
and the next time you throw 8
yards, you got another first

1628
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:55,240
down, right?
Yeah, it's.

1629
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:57,480
Simple math.
It is simple.

1630
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:00,520
It always fascinates me when.
It's third and eight and they

1631
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,720
throw the ball 3 yards.
I know they're looking OK.

1632
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:05,440
If it's a screen pass, I'll
forgive them, right?

1633
01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:08,800
That's a design play.
But when they run a slant route

1634
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:12,440
4 yards or five yards out and
it's third and eight, I'm like,

1635
01:17:12,440 --> 01:17:14,200
what the fuck are you doing?
Right?

1636
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:18,160
You can't always count on that
guy to run four more yards, no.

1637
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:20,640
No.
Like Cam Scataboo's average yard

1638
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,480
per carry is 4.4 yards, which is
great, but does that mean every

1639
01:17:23,480 --> 01:17:25,760
time he touches the ball?
No, that's the average.

1640
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:27,440
Right.
Sometimes he's going to get 2

1641
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:32,760
right.
Or one or -3 you don't know, but

1642
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,240
who you know, the people.
He hits the field the next day.

1643
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:38,320
So as the season goes on, if he
can maintain this level of

1644
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,360
intensity, it's going to work
well to his advantage.

1645
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:43,960
Because then people are going to
start not wanting to tackle him

1646
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,400
because they're going to
remember, you know, that kiss

1647
01:17:47,480 --> 01:17:50,080
that guy, man.
Right, just a stuff.

1648
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:51,760
Yeah, he is.
He's.

1649
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:52,800
A beast.
I have him too.

1650
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,280
He's a good I yeah, he's he's
old school runner.

1651
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:58,800
He's going back to Walter Payton
era.

1652
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:01,840
Exactly.
That's why I like to watch him.

1653
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:03,840
Play for sure.
Yeah, remember those?

1654
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:04,960
Remember.
Those, I don't remember those

1655
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:06,640
Earl Campbell, it's probably
both Earl Campbell and Walter

1656
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:09,320
Payton where they would wind
their arm up to to Earl

1657
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:11,040
Campbell.
Did that too, absolutely into

1658
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,320
the defender.
It was fantastic.

1659
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:16,120
I bet we could do that without
Peyton giving that stiff.

1660
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:17,920
Arm that was like, there's no
tomorrow.

1661
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:20,080
Yep, Guy'd come.
At him and he'd.

1662
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:23,280
Just push him away.
What am I thinking?

1663
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:25,880
What's it called?
Straight arm, yeah.

1664
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:30,040
Steph, Arm, straight arm.
Yeah, OK.

1665
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:32,840
So while you're.
Looking at a.

1666
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:36,280
Congratulations to my Chicago
Cubs on making the National

1667
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:39,600
League Division Championship.
Oh, right on.

1668
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:41,640
Where did it go, Cubs?
Oh.

1669
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:44,280
Really.
Yeah, right on.

1670
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,000
I don't care.
No, I haven't watched I.

1671
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:48,280
Don't.
Well, I used to, but I just

1672
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:51,280
haven't really.
So let's see.

1673
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:53,200
Can I turn?
I see if I could turn this deck.

1674
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:54,400
Can I mute that?
OK, cool.

1675
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:56,360
So I'm muting that so they can't
see it.

1676
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:59,920
So they can't hear it.
This is Earl Campbell's one of

1677
01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:02,240
the greatest stiff arms in
football history.

1678
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:05,880
He's number. 20.
This is.

1679
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:07,920
Probably college.
Oh my.

1680
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:11,520
That was awesome once more.
Maestro.

1681
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:15,960
He picked him up off.
The ground, yeah, yeah, that was

1682
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:18,160
fantastic.
That's.

1683
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:20,080
Earl Campbell.
Boys and girls, epic.

1684
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:21,720
OK, here's.
Another one.

1685
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:23,400
Here's another.
Here's another Earl Campbell.

1686
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,720
Earl Campbell Beast.
OK, this one's a little bit

1687
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:28,920
longer if you're just listening.
Ladies and gentlemen, he

1688
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,600
literally picked this gentleman
up off the ground and pushed him

1689
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,080
down and kept running.
Yeah, and I have the.

1690
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:36,040
YouTube muted so they can't shut
us down.

1691
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:37,800
No, but some people are just
listening.

1692
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,280
Let's get to the plays.
Let's get to oh, here we go.

1693
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:44,600
This is Earl Campbell.
OK, the dude, the historically

1694
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:47,000
they've talked about how his
thighs were as big as a man's

1695
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:48,960
head.
Well, you know who he reminds.

1696
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,560
Who reminds me of him now is
Derrick Henry.

1697
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,800
Oh yes, I.
Don't know why Tennessee got rid

1698
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:56,360
of Derrick Henry.
Dude, that was a because it was

1699
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:58,320
stupid.
Look at that, look at that.

1700
01:19:58,320 --> 01:19:59,720
That's.
Against the charges dude.

1701
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,160
Sideways.
He was stiff arming that dude

1702
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:04,640
running back, right?
Rewind that a little bit, right?

1703
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:05,960
That was crazy.
Man.

1704
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:08,760
Rewinded about 15 seconds.
OK, there we go.

1705
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,560
He's running backwards.
For a second, stiff arming that

1706
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:13,680
dude.
Yeah, well.

1707
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:14,720
I didn't.
Yeah.

1708
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:16,560
Like, do you think Saquan
Barkley something?

1709
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:18,520
Google Earl Campbell and Walter
Payton.

1710
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,920
This is why Saquan Barkley is
here and doing what he does.

1711
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:24,120
If Steele's listening.
To this right now, he's probably

1712
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:26,000
like, oh, yeah, Earl Campbell,
look at that.

1713
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,680
Oh.
Boom, watch, watch.

1714
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,400
He's just so big.
Man, he was.

1715
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:33,240
He was mammoth and he was.
Fast.

1716
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:35,360
Look at this.
He's going like that.

1717
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:37,200
Look at that.
You can't get me down.

1718
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:39,800
You can't get me down.
There he is again.

1719
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:41,800
This is the Cam scataboo element
right here.

1720
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:44,720
Look at that.
Just power boom running.

1721
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,240
Downhill, as they say, Right and
nobody.

1722
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:47,800
Runs.
Downhill.

1723
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,720
And that was the biggest problem
I have with Barkley in in in New

1724
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:52,160
York.
He would never just hit the hole

1725
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:54,560
and go.
He'd always stutter step left,

1726
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:56,480
right, where do I got to go?
Instead of just hitting the hole

1727
01:20:56,480 --> 01:20:58,400
and going.
Then he gets to fill and he hits

1728
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:00,600
the hole.
Look at that one like he got, he

1729
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:02,040
should have been knocked down
right there.

1730
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,640
Instead, he scores a touchdown
and by the.

1731
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:07,920
Way this guy played.
With concussions every day, no

1732
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:10,280
question, right?
There, he just smacked helmets

1733
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:12,040
with that dude.
That's a Cam scatter.

1734
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:13,800
But man, look at that.
He held the ball out.

1735
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:15,360
In front right, And then he got
his jersey.

1736
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:18,440
Ripped off his back, Earl.
Campbell.

1737
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:20,160
Look at that.
Look at that.

1738
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:22,680
Boom, boom, boom.
Three guys and then he's running

1739
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:24,480
over.
I'll get on my way, get on my

1740
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:25,560
way.
I don't want none of you.

1741
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,480
Get on my way.
See ya, because he was.

1742
01:21:28,480 --> 01:21:30,680
The same number.
Look up some Walter Payton.

1743
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:31,800
I'm good, I'm good.
I was waiting.

1744
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:33,560
For this one to wrap up, look at
that stiff.

1745
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:34,960
I'm down the ground.
See you.

1746
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:39,320
Two in a row actually.
Yeah, yeah, he's this one's

1747
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:43,160
almost done.
Here it comes.

1748
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:45,720
Wait for it.
Boom.

1749
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:48,440
That was awesome.
That was brutal right there.

1750
01:21:48,440 --> 01:21:50,240
That was awesome.
OK, so now we're going to go

1751
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:52,800
Peyton.
That's they have somebody doing

1752
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:56,280
now.
Who is at some?

1753
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:58,600
Running back to keep showcasing,
running up mountains.

1754
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,080
Like OK, dude, that's Walter
Payton.

1755
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,600
You're doing Peyton's.
Let's go, you're doing Peyton's.

1756
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:04,840
So this is Walter Payton.
You can see it right?

1757
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:08,680
Yep, so he was.
A little bit.

1758
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:12,160
Smaller than Earl Campbell, so
he had a little bit more speed

1759
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:14,400
and quickness, I think.
Oh, he was quite a bit smaller.

1760
01:22:14,440 --> 01:22:17,040
But but look at the.
Look at the look at the ankles

1761
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:19,200
he's breaking.
His was his centre.

1762
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:22,040
Of gravity, man, he was just so
hard to tackle.

1763
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:25,040
It wasn't that he was big, you
just couldn't tackle him right

1764
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:26,960
like that, like.
And then he could throw.

1765
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:28,480
There's no highlight of him
throwing.

1766
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:29,840
People forget about that.
He.

1767
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,800
Threw, I don't know, quite a
few, but he threw a few touches.

1768
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:33,880
Yeah, look at that one.
Look.

1769
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:36,600
At That was crazy.
Yeah, he was like.

1770
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:40,040
Halfway parallel to the ground
and stood back up on that one,

1771
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,360
yeah.
I don't want.

1772
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:44,200
I don't.
I don't.

1773
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:46,640
Obviously, I saw him.
Play a lot of games, man.

1774
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:47,920
He was this is this is
something.

1775
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:50,200
Special to watch.
This is the Hunter's.

1776
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:53,240
Scariest players in the NFL, We
won't watch all this because 15

1777
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:56,000
minutes, but some of these sets
are going to like, you couldn't

1778
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:57,320
get away with some of that stuff
now.

1779
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:00,560
These are the reasons.
That they made.

1780
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,080
Like somebody's.
Going to die, yeah.

1781
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:09,360
Yeah, we don't need to see your
antics, murderer.

1782
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:14,520
Let's just get to the.
Get to the hits, man.

1783
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:16,600
And that was probably the wrong
thing.

1784
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:18,640
That wasn't enough.
Walter.

1785
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:20,360
I had Walter Payton highlight.
Oh, yeah.

1786
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:23,320
Walter Payton.
Oh, jumps over a line.

1787
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:26,720
What is that?
I can't remember this one.

1788
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:30,080
Oh yeah, yeah.
See, he started.

1789
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:31,800
That shit, nobody was doing that
man.

1790
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:38,080
Nobody was diving.
He just, he just went off, man.

1791
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:41,320
He had a hell of a vertical.
Leap man he he did.

1792
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:44,960
Absolutely.
Like just insane.

1793
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:47,280
It's.
Like you look at players in the.

1794
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:49,120
NFL now they won't even die for
a pass.

1795
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,600
I don't want to get hurt.
There's a couple passes.

1796
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:53,320
Dart through.
If the receiver would have dove,

1797
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:55,080
they would have got it.
You know, it's like, come on,

1798
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,280
man, and look at him.
He's landing.

1799
01:23:57,280 --> 01:23:59,120
On his head about Yeah, 30,
yeah.

1800
01:23:59,480 --> 01:24:03,280
It's like, right, It's just,
it's, it's amazing.

1801
01:24:06,480 --> 01:24:08,120
Like the dude was just look at
that one.

1802
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:11,280
Wow, complete flip over the.
Line.

1803
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:14,320
Yep.
And then he gets up because he

1804
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:15,800
wasn't.
On the ground, he still scores

1805
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,080
when you land on.
That's the cool thing about some

1806
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:19,840
football players, man.
When they get tackled, they

1807
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:21,440
realize they didn't land on the
ground yet.

1808
01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:24,160
They get up and they keep going.
Yeah, they're having.

1809
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:26,520
A presence of.
Mind to know that to realize

1810
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:28,320
your butt.
Hit a shoe and not the turf.

1811
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:32,600
It is fascinating.
And there's the fridge.

1812
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:37,360
The fridge leading the way
certainly helped him for a lot

1813
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:41,520
of his stuff.
Oh, here's one.

1814
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,880
Fight for every yard.
OK, this is a good one.

1815
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:47,040
One of the greatest trap.
Travesties in the NFL is he

1816
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:48,960
didn't score a touchdown in the
Super Bowl.

1817
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:51,960
Yep, that.
Should be on Ditka's Ditka's

1818
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,120
tombstone.
You failed to let let Walter

1819
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:57,160
score.
Yes, that's the what display the

1820
01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:59,800
I like Ditka as a coach, don't
know him as a human.

1821
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:02,120
We also, that was the one thing
I'm like, dude, what are you

1822
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:03,920
fucking stupid, man?
You got the 1.

1823
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:07,040
And I still, if Emma Smith would
have retired when he was

1824
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:10,840
supposed to retire, he never
would have caught Walter Payton,

1825
01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:14,800
which I think is a travesty
because Walter Payton just

1826
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,080
where's the stuff, man?
Let's go.

1827
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:22,520
There we go.
OK, He had that Dion high step.

1828
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:24,200
Dion took the high step from
Walter Payton.

1829
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:26,480
I just realized that.
Yep, No.

1830
01:25:26,480 --> 01:25:31,160
Question.
Jim McMahon handing the ball off

1831
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:32,640
there.
Yep, Yep, I.

1832
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:34,440
Love Jim McMahon.
I love the fact that he put

1833
01:25:34,440 --> 01:25:36,720
those those headbands on that
we're calling out.

1834
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:38,880
He was so.
Right.

1835
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,040
That was, that was like, what
are you going to do, find me and

1836
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:43,080
they'd find him.
That was back in the day too,

1837
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:46,480
kids, that if you didn't, if
you, if you didn't subscribe to

1838
01:25:46,480 --> 01:25:48,800
the NFL uniform policy, you
would get fined.

1839
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:52,400
So if you wore something that
wasn't approved by the league,

1840
01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:53,960
you would get fined.
If you were.

1841
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:57,920
Remember, Heinz Ward was wearing
pink cleats and he got fined

1842
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:01,480
every game for wearing pink
cleats for in support of cancer

1843
01:26:01,480 --> 01:26:03,360
awareness.
And if you didn't?

1844
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:04,600
Play.
You didn't get paid.

1845
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:06,560
There was no players union back
then.

1846
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:08,720
Yeah, Nope.
So these guys were to.

1847
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:11,680
Chris's point that he just said
a minute ago they were all

1848
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:14,200
playing with concussions because
if they didn't play, they didn't

1849
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:15,280
get paid.
Yep.

1850
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:20,880
Yep, there's another strike on
the horizon, too.

1851
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:22,440
I forget if it's the NFL or
baseball.

1852
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:25,680
One of one of them.
One of them.

1853
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:28,200
Was collective bargaining
agreement is is about to expire.

1854
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:30,480
Somebody, somebody told me that
the other day and I was like,

1855
01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:34,640
oh, that's fun.
It's just, you know, here he

1856
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:42,640
goes.
Oh wow, that was crazy.

1857
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:46,200
He bounced off him backwards and
kept running forward right.

1858
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:48,520
Right.
Took me a second.

1859
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:49,640
To figure out.
What was going on?

1860
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:50,520
Yeah, me.
Too.

1861
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:52,400
It's like, what is that?
Yeah.

1862
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:59,160
Just I mean, the dude was.
A beast man like you know Cam.

1863
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:01,520
This is Cam scataboo for our
generation.

1864
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,720
If he stays healthy long enough
to continue doing this, he was

1865
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:07,600
so much fun.
To watch play football, Yeah, I

1866
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:08,520
mean you.
Just don't.

1867
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:12,080
You don't teach that.
That's just ingrained in you.

1868
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,200
That's just you.
Just that's just your

1869
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:15,600
willingness to do.
Just.

1870
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:19,080
Punish other people.
Well, we talk about.

1871
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:24,440
This a lot the sheer small
percentage of population that

1872
01:27:24,440 --> 01:27:26,920
ever gets the chance to play at
that level.

1873
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:32,520
And then what is the percentage
that wants the ball as bad as

1874
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,600
Walter Payton wanted the ball
right?

1875
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:36,280
A.
Lot of guys are happy to be.

1876
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:37,720
There, they're happy to be on
the field.

1877
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:39,760
They don't really want to be the
center of attention.

1878
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:43,600
If the game was on the line and
it was down to we're going to

1879
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,000
fail or succeed, I want the
ball.

1880
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:47,400
How many of those guys are
there?

1881
01:27:47,480 --> 01:27:49,800
Not many, and here's.
Barry.

1882
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:53,240
Oh yeah, Barry Sanders.
Yeah, I mean I, I.

1883
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:56,040
Mean, Emmitt Smith was a hell of
a running back, but I, I still

1884
01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:58,400
think it's it's Jim Brown, it's
Walter Payton, it's Barry

1885
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:00,280
Sanders.
I agree with you 100.

1886
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:02,400
Percent and then Emmitt.
'S in the.

1887
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:04,120
Conversation.
Yeah, he's in top five.

1888
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:05,920
He's in top five.
Yeah.

1889
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:07,920
It's it's Jim.
Brown, Walter Payton, Earl

1890
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:09,760
Campbell, Barry Sanders, then
Emmitt Smith and.

1891
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:12,760
I guess it's a great.
Top five for running backs.

1892
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:16,040
So this is just these are these
are Barry's top 50 plays.

1893
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:19,760
I mean you.
Know you're lucky if you have

1894
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:22,600
10.
Top plays in your career.

1895
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:24,560
This guy had Yeah, he's got 50
and there's.

1896
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:28,080
Probably 150 more, right?
And that's the.

1897
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:31,440
One of the drawback with Walter
Payton and Earl Campbell, the IT

1898
01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:35,960
wasn't as as documented then as
it is as it was when Barry was

1899
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:37,520
starting to play.
Right?

1900
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:39,560
Yeah.
I don't think people realized

1901
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:43,440
that there wasn't ATV crew at
every single game back then.

1902
01:28:43,440 --> 01:28:45,800
It was at whatever the game of
the week was.

1903
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:48,560
That's the only place that it
was being recorded.

1904
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:51,960
They weren't recording every
game like they do now and then,

1905
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:53,520
yeah.
And the cool thing about Barry,

1906
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,120
he was short, but he was so
fast.

1907
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:00,120
And just the ability to break
ankles.

1908
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:03,760
Like, and by breaking ankles, I
mean that boys and girls, you,

1909
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:06,640
you move on a dime.
And then that 25 stands there

1910
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:08,520
and watches you run past him.
Yep.

1911
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:10,040
Oh.
Mike Allstott.

1912
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:12,560
I just thought of Mike Allstott.
We're going to talk about a full

1913
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:15,880
back, no question.
Yeah, I don't know why that.

1914
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:17,240
Came to my head.
It must have been the shoulder

1915
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:19,000
pad somebody's wearing.
So this is the 40.

1916
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:21,040
Look at that.
Look at.

1917
01:29:21,480 --> 01:29:24,680
Still going.
Three guys to get him down.

1918
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:26,440
Three guys exactly.
Yeah.

1919
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:29,600
It's kind of like the one.
One of the runs Scataboo had

1920
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,560
where he he hit #90 on the on
the chiefs and broke his ribs

1921
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:35,360
and the guy just kind of slowly
stumble sideways and falls.

1922
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:39,640
That's just, that's the ankle.
Breaking thing, that's the,

1923
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:42,400
that's the thing that I want.
I want running backs to do more.

1924
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:44,360
Just hit the hole and go.
Yep.

1925
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:48,360
Like just you see the hole go,
Don't, don't dance, don't wait.

1926
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:51,320
Just hit the hole and go.
And that's just him running out.

1927
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:54,920
Yeah, he just outran everybody.
Right through there, right?

1928
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:58,560
Took him 40-5 yards.
To catch him.

1929
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:01,680
Yeah, well, it's kind of like
that, remember?

1930
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:05,920
That DK Metcalf play when he was
on the on the Seahawks and and

1931
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,640
Russell Wilson got picked off
and he he angled down the field

1932
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:10,920
and caught up with the
intercepting defender.

1933
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:13,120
The guy who intercepted the pass
like at the four yard line.

1934
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:16,200
I'll guess the Giants.
Great show the Giants get him,

1935
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:22,920
get him, get him too late.
I guess he was like a beast.

1936
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:24,120
Yeah.
He was a beast.

1937
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:28,760
Game changer man if.
And it just sucks he was on such

1938
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:31,840
a mediocre team.
Not, not, not.

1939
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:34,000
That's giving him credit.
Not even mediocre.

1940
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:36,120
They were horrible.
Yeah, but.

1941
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:39,600
Just And he stayed there, stayed
there.

1942
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:41,000
He didn't want traded.
He didn't.

1943
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:44,880
Well, people did that back.
Then that was it, wasn't it?

1944
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:48,720
Was frowned upon to be traded,
right?

1945
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:50,440
Like you were just going to say
you were.

1946
01:30:50,440 --> 01:30:52,680
Respected for your lawyer?
Yeah, you.

1947
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:54,600
Just you just had a contract.
You signed it.

1948
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,160
That was it, man.
You just, you didn't renegotiate

1949
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:59,680
that shit.
You didn't hold out.

1950
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:02,200
You, you just, you played the
game you were paid to play.

1951
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:04,720
It's a contract that you just,
it's, you know, I mean, look at

1952
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:07,120
this.
If he was on the, if he was on a

1953
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:10,240
success, if he was on the
Steelers, dude had 6 Super Bowl

1954
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:13,160
rings.
Oh, for sure, you know, and he

1955
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:15,440
was already a Hall of Famer just
because of his speed.

1956
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:19,120
It's just it sucks he never.
Got a ring if anybody was more

1957
01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:21,360
deserving of a ring.
I mean just for the effort he

1958
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:22,760
put on the field game after
game.

1959
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:24,840
Look at that shit dude.
You know who else is like?

1960
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:26,480
That that played for the Lions
is.

1961
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:31,240
The Hall of Famer wide.
Receiver he never won a Oh yeah,

1962
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:33,040
Oh yeah, he.
Changed the game as well.

1963
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:35,160
Yeah.
Herman Moore, Megatron.

1964
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:36,560
Megatron.
OK, Yeah.

1965
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:38,200
Megatron.
Now I think of Herman Moore, but

1966
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:38,880
Megatron?
Yeah.

1967
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:40,440
Calvin Johnson.
Yep.

1968
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:47,680
There would be no.
One handed catches and acrobatic

1969
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:49,520
shit.
Megatron definitely changed the

1970
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:52,400
game for sure.
Those teams were horrible as

1971
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:53,960
well.
But there's another Hall of

1972
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:57,040
Famer everybody gives.
The the.

1973
01:31:57,040 --> 01:31:58,400
Beckham.
The credit for the one hand

1974
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,000
catching that just made it
popular because it was on a

1975
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,400
Sunday night game and the entire
world was watching.

1976
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:07,520
Yeah, a lot of that acrobatic.
Shit happened long before that.

1977
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:11,360
Calvin Johnson started.
That Yep.

1978
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:14,320
Who was the other guy you just
said?

1979
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:15,680
Herman Moore.
Herman Moore.

1980
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:16,480
Yep.
Randy.

1981
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:18,760
Randy Moss.
Oh, Randy Moss.

1982
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:22,000
For sure.
There's a reason, ESPN says.

1983
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:23,520
You got.
Mossed, right?

1984
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:25,720
And Beckham did.
That shit in in college, like

1985
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:28,000
you didn't realize it didn't
college till after he did it in

1986
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:31,240
that Cowboys game and then they
start showing his college

1987
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:32,680
highlights.
It's like OK, this guy's done

1988
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:34,080
this for years.
Sure.

1989
01:32:34,480 --> 01:32:37,000
You know, and now it's just.
Now it's commonplace receivers

1990
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:39,640
practice catching strange balls
with one hand.

1991
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:42,720
Look at that dude.
Just a a a toss.

1992
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:45,720
That probably had a 10.
Percent chance of success.

1993
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:49,320
Barry takes it all the way down
to what the the 9 yard line.

1994
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:51,960
But you know what from the?
Moment he took that ball, he

1995
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:54,560
knew exactly what he was going
to do when he executed, right?

1996
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:57,320
Right.
He just outran everybody, yeah.

1997
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:00,800
Yeah, he also probably leads,
leads the NFL history of, of

1998
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:03,960
plays lost of of yards lost
because he there's lots of times

1999
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:07,680
he got stuffed in the backfield
because again, the Lions sucked.

2000
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:09,880
Yeah, they they had.
No offensive line.

2001
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:13,160
Back then, for sure, yeah.
So it wasn't uncommon for him to

2002
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:16,280
have, you know, 130 yards in the
third quarter, and then by the

2003
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:18,800
fourth quarter he had, you know,
110.

2004
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:23,960
You know, true story.
You know, but look at that.

2005
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:26,240
Just a different gear man.
Just.

2006
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:29,160
It's sad they don't make
football.

2007
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:31,440
Players like that anymore
because everybody's just, you

2008
01:33:31,440 --> 01:33:32,960
know, well, it's a different
game.

2009
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:35,560
It is a different game.
You know, and you play, you

2010
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:37,160
don't play with you have a
bruise anymore.

2011
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:39,640
You have to sit out because
about for a confusion of my

2012
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:43,200
inner thigh.
So you bruised your.

2013
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:44,480
Thigh.
Yes, it is.

2014
01:33:44,480 --> 01:33:46,480
I can't run because it's.
I got a confusion.

2015
01:33:46,480 --> 01:33:49,840
A confusion right there.
My pinky toe is inflamed.

2016
01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:51,400
Right.
Like OK.

2017
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:53,760
Wrap it with an ace bandage.
Take some time.

2018
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:56,480
I'll get your ass out there.
That that any given Sunday

2019
01:33:56,480 --> 01:33:59,320
question with Al Pacino, when
he's coaching, are you injured

2020
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:02,440
or are you hurt?
Because if you're injured, you

2021
01:34:02,440 --> 01:34:04,360
can't play, but if you're hurt,
you can.

2022
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:06,600
I'm hurt, coach.
Get your ass back in there.

2023
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:08,760
There's a difference.
That.

2024
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:11,120
That right?
There was the epitome of ankle

2025
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:13,000
breaking.
He broke like 4 ankles in that.

2026
01:34:19,620 --> 01:34:20,820
And see, that's just hitting the
hole and.

2027
01:34:20,820 --> 01:34:23,840
Going a tiny little hole and you
hit it and go the field, the

2028
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:27,280
vision that he had on the field
just.

2029
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:29,520
Insane.
Which is why he gained.

2030
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:32,640
So many yards after he hit the
line of scrimmage.

2031
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:37,720
His yards after the.
Line of scrimmage have to be way

2032
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:40,200
up there, like in the top five
ever, yeah.

2033
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:44,960
Have to be.
Look at that, yeah.

2034
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:46,800
He should have been tackled at
the line of scrimmage.

2035
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:49,880
Yeah, now he's 40 yards down.
That was a horse collar too.

2036
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:52,280
Nowadays that's a horse collar
back then and so we just a

2037
01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:55,200
tackle.
This is back in the day where

2038
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:56,000
you could.
Face mask.

2039
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:58,160
Unless your helmet came off, you
didn't get a penalty for face

2040
01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:02,440
masking.
Which is so dangerous.

2041
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:04,960
Oh yeah.
It's a it's a wonder more.

2042
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:08,840
People weren't paralyzed.
Well, they played with reckless.

2043
01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:11,680
Abandoned and they all played,
you know, at a high level.

2044
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:14,880
So I think but see back then
too, right, you had pre season

2045
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:18,040
where you actually hit and you
had full pad practices and you

2046
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:20,080
had hitting drills and tackling
drills and all that kind of

2047
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:23,240
shit. 2A days.
So by the time he got to the 14

2048
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:26,840
game season you'd already spent
four weeks getting your ass

2049
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:29,360
beat.
So you actually were in football

2050
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:32,600
shape to get hit and deliver
punishment, right?

2051
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:34,880
Just like that, that was an
ankle.

2052
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:36,520
Breaker.
That was a perfect example of an

2053
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:38,280
ankle breaker.
Yeah, he should have been down,

2054
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:38,840
right.
Right.

2055
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:41,080
Yeah.
Because that he was he.

2056
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:43,680
Yeah, you.
Couldn't tackle Berry with.

2057
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:45,000
Your arms.
If you tried to tackle Berry

2058
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:47,080
with your arms, you were not
going to be successful.

2059
01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:49,400
Right there, he should have
been.

2060
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:52,840
Tackled at midfield, he did a
360 pair of wet and ran in for a

2061
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:54,840
touchdown.
Yep, and that was him just.

2062
01:35:55,240 --> 01:35:58,320
Breaking through a hole.
And gone.

2063
01:35:58,320 --> 01:35:59,600
Again, see you.
Yep.

2064
01:36:04,440 --> 01:36:07,120
And don't we don't know we.
Don't know him from anything but

2065
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:09,880
from Wow.
From everything I've ever seen

2066
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:11,840
him talk, he seems like a very
humble.

2067
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:15,720
Just down to earth.
Gracious human being who does a

2068
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:18,080
lot of things behind the scenes
that people don't see from a

2069
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:20,760
philanthropic standpoint.
Look at.

2070
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:22,960
That see.
You behind the referee, he was

2071
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:25,320
behind.
The referee.

2072
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:27,680
We know.
That's why they called Walter

2073
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:30,200
Payton sweetness, because yeah,
look at.

2074
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:32,560
That, that was amazing.
One of the nicest people.

2075
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:34,880
You'd ever want to meet?
That was an amazing.

2076
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:36,600
Right there.
Yeah, yeah.

2077
01:36:37,440 --> 01:36:38,960
Walter And when you hear Walter.
Payton talk.

2078
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,160
If you if you had your eyes
closed and you heard Walter

2079
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:42,880
Payton talking, no way in hell
you thought that was Walter

2080
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:44,720
Payton.
No way in hell.

2081
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:50,000
He was such a very soft spoken,
gentle human that you just out

2082
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:51,400
there playing with those.
Animals.

2083
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:55,000
Yep, look at that.
One, that there's no reason he

2084
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:57,400
should have gotten out of that.
Did you see what?

2085
01:36:57,440 --> 01:36:59,840
He just did out of that.
That was insane.

2086
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:03,520
Though can run the top 2 now
against the Patriots.

2087
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:06,880
Well, what he did in that?
Last play is he became, he

2088
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:09,120
became the defense.
He actually tackled the two guys

2089
01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:10,920
who were trying to tackle him
and kept her on it.

2090
01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:12,240
OK, they're going to come up
with the.

2091
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:15,520
Best play ever for him that was
that's an ankle breaker right

2092
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:17,320
there.
OK, number one all time Barry

2093
01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:20,240
Sanders play against the
Cowboys, which is great.

2094
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:22,680
OK, OK.
You.

2095
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:26,520
Have got to kidding me dude.
Wow, the what?

2096
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:28,680
2/3 of the defense were
surrounding him?

2097
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:32,920
Here it is.
You literally have two.

2098
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:34,960
Thirds of the defense, Yeah.
Holy.

2099
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:40,400
Shit, man, it's just gone.
Ladies and gentlemen, that's

2100
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:42,560
Barry Sanders.
Mr. Barry Sanders.

2101
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:45,560
Go go Google Barry Sanders.
Do yourself.

2102
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:47,240
Do yourself some justice.
Man.

2103
01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:50,240
That was fantastic.
That's awesome.

2104
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:51,960
That's fantastic.
All right.

2105
01:37:52,440 --> 01:37:53,840
Wrap this puppy up.
I'm Chris, he's Mike.

2106
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:54,960
This is Chris and Mike show
again.

2107
01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:59,640
Martha Berrick was on our show
MARTHBURICH.

2108
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,800
Go to Amazon, buy her book how
to raise happy and responsible

2109
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:04,200
children.
Super cool lady.

2110
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:06,120
We'll get you back on Martha.
Not sure what happened the

2111
01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:09,160
Internet connection wise but you
know that is the the the hassle

2112
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:12,400
with it happens.
It does happen.

2113
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:13,720
Thank you.
Martha absolutely.

2114
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:16,200
And remember, boys and girls,
people out there, if you're

2115
01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:20,000
feeling sad, sorrowed,
depressed, suicidal, go run.

2116
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:22,240
Go scream in a pillow.
Go journal, go do something to

2117
01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:25,960
take your mind off, change your
mindset, go meditate, text 988.

2118
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:28,800
Somebody is there ready to talk
to you, to help you through

2119
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:31,200
whatever you're struggling with.
Tomorrow is always a better day

2120
01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:34,080
because you're going to wake up
and be part of that day and not

2121
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:36,840
leave a hole in somebody else's
heart because somebody does love

2122
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:38,080
you, whether you realize that or
not.

2123
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:39,360
I'm Chris.
He's Mike.

2124
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:41,160
Love you, brother.
Love you too man.

2125
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:43,200
Thanks for listening.
Absolutely.

2126
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:46,680
Until next time, see you peace.
Peace.

2127
01:39:05,480 --> 01:39:20,290
Listen to the place where you
are.

2128
01:39:20,290 --> 01:39:22,650
Take a moment.
Listen to you.

2129
01:39:22,810 --> 01:39:29,370
See it.
Bite your bail and see your bite

2130
01:39:30,370 --> 01:39:33,330
your bail.
Put your bail.

2131
01:40:21,200 --> 01:40:44,070
The.
Come

2132
01:40:54,850 --> 01:41:01,370
down here, we haven't bounced
all this in the sand from

2133
01:41:01,490 --> 01:41:05,650
fighting.
Wait for the dead or when it's

2134
01:41:05,810 --> 01:41:07,850
going around.
Here.

2135
01:41:09,330 --> 01:41:14,400
You ain't no creature we're
playing found you should you put

2136
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:18,640
on the almighty man.
You got a dream.

2137
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:26,480
Who in your life to keep your
soul in every man?

2138
01:41:26,480 --> 01:41:33,080
Take the trail behind your eyes.
Feel the soul evolution now.

2139
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:40,960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.

2140
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:46,240
Take a moment.
Listen to your tear.

2141
01:41:47,440 --> 01:41:48,440
Fight your family.
To you.

2142
01:41:48,440 --> 01:42:17,240
More clear.
You gotta, You gotta.

2143
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:19,560
You gotta.
You gotta.

2144
01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:20,560
You gotta.