#144 - Joe Altier - "Just Joe" - Musician/Songwriter

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Where's the music, man?
The music's not playing.

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Where's the music ladies again?
I don't know man, it's not

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playing.
You got the live button click.

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I I do, it's Oh fuck.
Whoops.

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Welcome YouTube and Twitter, I
said.

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It might be a little light on
the caffeine this morning.

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I had already had coffee.
Man, I'm trying.

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I don't.
Know what it's for today, I know

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I.
Appreciate that.

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Yeah, you're.
Still, I heard.

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I heard there's old coffee
stirring.

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Coffee smells so good your
friends wouldn't taste it but

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I'm sorry it's.
Mine you cannot take my coffee

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and you?
Came back.

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There you go, change your life.
On queue, right.

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Hey, it's Chris.
I'm Mike.

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So I'm I'm Chris.
He's Mike.

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So we're waiting for just Joe to
come on.

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Hopefully there's just a glitch
in the matrix in in Syracuse,

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NY.
And for those of you who don't

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know who just Joe is, I'm going
to show you this is just Joe.

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He is a musician, a solo
musician at that artist mentor

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and coach.
He does all kinds of bad ass

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things with songs, like he just
dropped this one the other day,

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which Russia's going back on
tour and personally I think it's

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sacrilegious that Russia's.
Going back, I would revisit my

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favorite song by them, this
one's called Limelight.

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Living on a Lightning Stage
approaches the young people for

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those who think and feel in
touch with some reality beyond

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the killed in cage.
Right, Mike, where are you?

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They shouldn't kick us off
because he's redoing it in a

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different time signature.
I know I'm just, you know, I'm

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just making sure, but that's,
that's, that's that's Joe.

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So he does.
He does some really, really cool

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stuff, as I mentioned.
Yeah, definitely go follow him

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if you're into that kind of
stuff, because he really breaks.

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He breaks it down so that you
can hear the way the song is

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composed.
It's really cool.

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Ronnie James Deal the last in
line I.

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Love the last.
One, we're a ship without a

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stone cold, without the wall
light inside the top.

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Instead of need you, we're a
laugh without a tea, the hope

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without the faith.
We are coming.

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So yeah, it's it's it's some,
he's got some legit pipes and

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he's a good singer and he's an
artist and that kind of jazz so.

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Well, it gives you a really good
idea of how well composed those

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songs were when you hear it
broken down on the piano like

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that, you know?
Agreed.

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So I'm assuming this is his
family college so he does watch

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football.
We're not sure if he watches.

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Anyway, Mike and I were talking
before we started the show about

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about time, the time difference,
because in Arizona, I never

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changed my clocks.
Mike changes his clocks, East

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Coast changes his clock.
But in Arizona we just stay the

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same.
So it's, I always have that fear

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when I tell somebody 9:00 AM
Pacific Standard Time that,

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that, you know, it's like, oh,
wait a minute, you know which

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time was which?
Here's a conundrum.

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So still having you by scorpions
right there.

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See it.
And then up here, still having

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you by scorpions.
That's interesting.

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I don't know if it's the same
one or not.

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It's hard to tell.
It is hard to tell, but hey,

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he's just just so he can do
whatever he wants.

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Here's here's dreamer Ozzy.
Agreed.

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One of my favorite Ozzy songs.
Oh yeah.

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The window wrapped the world
outside, Wandering Marvelous

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survive, hoping that mankind
will stop abusing her sometime.

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After all, is only just the two
of us and he.

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We are still fighting for our
lives, watching all of history

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repeat itself time after time.
So the cool thing about him too,

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is that for those of us that you
think you understand a lyric and

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you think you understand what
the artist is actually saying,

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it's interesting to have the
lyrics actually drop in front of

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you because like, oh, that's
what he says.

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And I don't think people
realize.

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I mean, I mean, I could be
completely wrong.

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I don't think people realize how
deep Ozzie's lyrics are for the

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most part.
Like the dude, the dude just

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didn't write stupid shit.
There were so much like war

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references and because when he
grew up right in the time of of

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his youth was World War 2 was in
that era, right?

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Absolutely.
So it's kind of like Pink

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Floyd's the wall and stuff,
right?

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Where the Roger Walters that
whole Wall album really is about

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the war, anti war and all that
kind of jazz.

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Yeah, as kids, they saw their
whole country crumbled.

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Yeah, yeah.
So that's the cool thing that if

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if you dive deep into Ozzy's
catalog, you're going to hear

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songs that that have actual deep
rooted meaning that you wouldn't

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think otherwise, which is really
cool.

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Yeah, that's so true.
Those guys grew up like the

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Americans.
The Allies won the war, but

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you're even England, you know,
they got bombed and they had to

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rebuild.
And those guys saw that as kids.

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Americans are the only ones that
saw it are the soldiers that

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went over there and everyone saw
it in Europe.

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So it's a very powerful
statement because it's so true.

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That's where a lot of those deep
rooted and deep seated feelings

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and you know, what is life all
about?

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You know, they started asking
that as very young children.

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Yeah, it's kind of like when we
had Yuri on from Russia and he

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and he realized what a 10% of
his life was gone at the age of

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10.
At 10 years old.

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Yeah.
I'll tell you the other thing

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about Ozzy, that he's one of the
few that you can actually

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understand most of his lyrics.
And then when he talks in real

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life, he can't understand a word
he says that it's so.

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Weird.
It is weird, right?

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And then?
Because as a Hard Rock artist,

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he's one of the few you really
can pick out most of the words.

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Yeah, but you're right, some of
the things slip by.

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And Joseph, there's a couple
things in that Dreamer song that

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I didn't know what he was
saying.

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Anything so.
Yeah, it's cool.

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That's why you know when when
back in the day when you got

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cassette tapes and final
records, you'd, you'd open up

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the vinyl and then on the inside
sleeve that you know, how is the

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record for those of you who
don't know, that one side always

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had lyrics on it typically, or
if it was a double bomb, you

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open it up and you see the
lyrics on it.

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And the same with cassette
tapes.

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Were you like me when you got
the cassette tape?

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When they finally went to that
and there was no lyrics, you

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were like fuck.
Right.

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It sucked, man.
It was like the whole point is

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you want to know what they're
saying because sometimes you

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can't pick up what they're
saying because the way they

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like, you know, Nirvana fucking
I already knew what Cobain was

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saying, man.
You needed the lyrics.

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Vetter's the same way Creed had
some songs where you didn't

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understand what staff was
saying.

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So the the lyrics that always
helped you understand what they

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were saying.
Oh, this is where it's at.

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This, you know, this is what
he's talking about.

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This is the line because you
just otherwise you just don't,

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you just don't get it.
So, you know, it's, it was, it's

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it's a travesty when you don't
have the ability to look at

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lyrics.
Now, obviously you can just

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Google machine it and, and find
the lyrics, all that kind of

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jazz, which is kind of cool.
So.

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Yeah, we didn't have that luxury
back then.

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No, no Google at all.
So here is another thing of just

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Joe's.
This is this is his his link

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tree.
So the cool thing about this, if

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you don't know boys and girls,
these are all links.

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So these are all songs that he's
done.

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And then you have website.
So you have his just his website

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and his shows.
Fiverr, which I didn't know he

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was on Fiverr.
Fiverr's a cool little platform.

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What is Fiverr I've I've heard?
Of it, I don't know what it is

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though.
Fiverr's the ones that did our

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original logo when we first
started.

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I paid a guy 20 bucks on Fiverr
to come up with our logo.

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Oh, so that original Chris and
Mike show logo was done by them?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah and
that's the cool thing about

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fiber.
It's a big websites to, you

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know, whatever you want, virtual
system, stuff like that.

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He's got his merchandise and
stuff, which is cool, I'm sure.

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Oh, let's I bet his YouTube
channel is insane.

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Let's, let's let's stop sharing.
Go to his YouTube channel and I

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will share his YouTube channel.
Hopefully nothing happened to

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Joe because, you know, so
there's, OK, I can subscribe.

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So I got to figure out how I did
that.

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It was automatically saying
subscribe to me.

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So there's just Joe's website.
It's ironically enough he has

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more subscribers on Instagram
and Facebook individually than

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he does on YouTube, which is
shocking because you would

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think.
He probably started there first.

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He's got a.
He's got a piano on his

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shoulder.
I can't click on it because that

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is a great picture.
That is an awesome picture.

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But there's there's this,
there's this stuff, man, all

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this videos, all his songs.
Oh, so he has his own stuff.

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Oh yeah.
His meeting, his meeting ran

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over.
He just messaged me.

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I will tell him just to jump on
Weird little dynamic here, boys

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and girls, you are good.
Jump on.

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We are talking about you anyway.
This is how you know that this

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is 100% unscripted and live.
Ladies and gentlemen, you are

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experiencing life live in real
time with us and recorded later

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for you.
How do you like that?

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Pre recorded.
That pre recorded, they're

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experiencing it live at the same
time as us.

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Pre recorded for them.
Exactly.

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Unless you're fortunate enough
to be watching us on YouTube or

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Twitch and then it's live for
you right now.

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So yeah, thank.
You so I so I I so is this him

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or is this this is this I don't
I?

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Don't it looks like him.
I don't have some glasses on,

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but that face.
Looks like, let's see.

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Wrap your head around that, boys
and girls.

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Joe is Joe before Joe is Joe.
We're laying down the You're

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welcome.
I don't know.

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I don't know, but Joe is Joe.
Euphemisms.

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Euphemism.
There's a euphemism?

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Yes, exactly.
Laying down the euphemisms.

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Laying down the euphemisms.
So we're going to, we're going

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to jump back on to.
Well, now I want to talk about

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original music with Joe too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So let's go back to the to the
share here and I'm going to show

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you his Facebook page.
There's his Facebook page coming

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up, just Joe Date.
So this is what just just

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playing again.
He's on the East Coast, so

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there's some of his upcoming
shows.

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We missed some of those
actually.

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So 17th.
Oh, he's playing tonight at

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Fireside by the River from 6:00
PM to 8:00 PM and then tomorrow

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night, Freight Yard Brewing from
6 to 9 and then on the 20th at

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Fratello's from 6:00 to 9:00 PM
So.

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Welcome, Joe.
If.

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You're welcome.
Oh, is Joe here?

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Hey, Joe.
Yeah, I just got here finally.

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Can you turn your phone the
other way, brother?

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Hold on.
There we go.

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Yeah, exactly.
No, you're sideways.

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Go.
That's where I was.

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There you go.
That's that's where I was

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before.
Oh, I don't know.

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I don't know.
Who knows?

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Technology, man.
How are you, Joe?

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Good man.
It didn't have you centered

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before, so I all right, we.
Got it.

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No, no I was.
I had to pull apart a keyboard

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this morning and they has
literally 78 screws in it to get

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to 1 little part and it takes
two people because you need all

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these.
So that got done and then I got

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on a meeting and I keep looking
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I'm like people, I got to go, I
got to go, I got something to

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do.
It's all good.

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So here I am.
Well spent.

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We spent the 1st 10 minutes
showing your socials, your

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Instagram, your I pulled up your
link tree, threw up on Facebook,

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now threw up on YouTube, and
then as I was scrolling down on

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YouTube we came across brand New
sin.

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Yeah.
Dude, so so Mike's excited about

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that.
Go ahead, Mike.

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I.
Didn't know you did original

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music, man.
I thought I was.

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We found Joe with hair.
Although all those, that's all

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my original stuff right there.
Oh, right on.

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I wonder what was behind you in
all your videos.

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Man, that's cool.
Yeah, I was.

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Well, I mean, it was.
Amazing.

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Yeah, I was.
That's where the music, I mean,

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I was, I never put out music
prior to that.

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When I joined the band in 2001,
I was at 24 years ago.

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And then from 2001 to 2000,
early 2008, I was in that band.

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And yeah, we toured all
extensively across the United

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States, North America, the UK.
We put, you know, put toward

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Motörhead a couple times, Black
Label Society, Breaking

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Benjamin, I mean, the, the, the
list goes on and on.

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It was, it was, it was quite the
journey, you know, and you know,

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yeah, we put out three full
length albums.

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And then as just Joe, I've put
out, I think I don't know at

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this point. 4.
Folding thousands, 2 EPS and

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countless singles that are all
originals.

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So yeah, most, most people don't
know like, oh, you're just the

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cover guy.
I'm like, oh, I, I do originals,

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but if I put up originals all
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yeah, yeah.
But we have a site, yeah, I

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still have your YouTube page up.
So you guys keep talking.

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I'll just keep scrolling through
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So.
Go back to 2001.

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How old was Joe in 2001?
Let's go back before When did

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you start playing?
Five, I'm 51, so I started

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playing, I started playing
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It was about 5.
My mom played piano and she, she

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taught me how to read music and,
you know, basic chords and, and,

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and notes on the piano.
So right at the same time I was

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learning how to read music or
read words, I was learning how

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to reading music.
So reading music is really

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second nature to me.
So and then I took.

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Get her in a band for the.
First, well, I just kind of

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toiled for years.
I just kind of did my piano

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thing or a jam with people.
But I never joined anything

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because the first part of my
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I played football and track.
I was recruited.

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Have a leaf in college to play
football and all track.

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I was a shot putter, discus
thrower and I, I love football

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so much and that was really my
focus.

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So football and lifting.
So that got me into college and

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all the way through college I
played college football.

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But during that time I just
Saint John Fisher, it's a

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Division Three school in
Rochester, NY And and during

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college, I just used to bring my
piano to parties.

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So they brought me in for free
and I drink for free.

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And if I if I just played music
all night.

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So and it was, it was the best
way to meet women.

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So right, but not everybody
that's.

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Why y'all getting bands?
That's why y'all getting bands,

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Joe.
We want to meet the Chicks, man.

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Yeah, it's true, It's true.
But I was, yeah.

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And everyone was like, well,
what are you here for college

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for?
I'm like, I'm going to be a

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social studies teacher in
college football.

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And they're like, but you're so
good at music.

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I'm like, I don't want to be a
starving artist.

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You know, it's so hard to get
into the business I don't want

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to do.
And when I left college, I went

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back to college and got my
recording engineering, like

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learned how to do stuff in the
studio, live sound, all that

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stuff.
Went back and got a degree in

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that.
And that brought me up to about

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2001.
And then at that time I was

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like, man, I just want to be in
a band, you know?

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And Long story short, I went and
tried out for what became Brand

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New Sin.
And they already had label

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interest because they had a
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There was the core of the band.
This is a lot I'm thrown at you,

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but the core of the band, the
core of the band was already

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together.
The other five guys were already

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together in a band previously
and they kicked the singer out

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and they wanted a new singer but
they wanted to change the sound

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of the band and they already had
label interests at that time.

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So the all the labels were just
like well when you get a new

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singer, let us know.
And I joined the band.

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We wrote a couple songs. 3 weeks
later went into the studio.

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This is October of 2001.
We had 1-2 record labels come up

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and one of them dropped the
contract right on the spot.

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So like I joined my first band
and went in a month I had a

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record deal.
That's awesome.

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That's crazy, man.
And then that was off to the

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races and I quit all my day jobs
at the time and I've been a full

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time musician since, you know,
early 2002.

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And yeah, I became a starving
artist.

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I guess I didn't want to become
so here I am.

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When you guys signed that, you
went in the studio, you dropped

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your album.
What was the first tour that

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they sent you out on to promote
that album?

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We did a very short tour with a
couple other bands on our label.

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We went down mainly just to get
us to South by Southwest, which

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is, I don't know if you guys
have.

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Yeah, we went down there to play
the showcase and, and that was

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how we landed a booking agent
and distribution and overseas

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and all this stuff.
But after that, our very first

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tour, so we did 5 shows and we
came back from that and the next

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tour we went out with was with
Motörhead and Morbid Angel and

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Morbid Angel.
So you're talking from September

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of 2001 to April of 2002, you
know that?

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What's that?
That's 6-7 months.

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I went from not being in a band
to opening for Motörhead like

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most people are.
Going to know who Motörhead is.

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I know who Morbid Angel is.
Like you, I started playing

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guitar when I was 9, so we've
been at it a long time.

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I'm a year older than you, Chris
is a couple years older than me,

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so we're all right in the same
wheelhouse.

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How much interaction did you
have with Motörhead?

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Because Lemmy is a lot all of
our heroes for.

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Sure.
A lot.

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You know, the first date that we
did with them was in Denver, Co

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and I just remember we pulled up
to the Ogden Theatre, We were

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sitting in the theatre.
Motörhead was sound checking

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and, and we're just sitting over
there and all of a sudden Lemmy

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comes walking by and we're like,
Oh my God, it's, you know, it's

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fucking Lemmy, you know, and we
just, we didn't know what to do,

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you know, So we just, you know,
we just kind of just sat back

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and wait.
And you know, when you're an

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opening ban on a big tour like
that, you just keep your mouth

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shut until someone tells you to
do something.

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And then all of a sudden, you
know, Lemmy comes over and

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introduces himself and he's
like, I really like, I really

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like you guys.
I like, I came looking forward

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to, to hearing you guys play and
whatever else you guys need, you

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know, please let me or this guy
know.

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And it was their tour manager,
Adam.

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And you know, they were, they,
they took us under their wings

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and not only for that tour, but
then in 2005, they asked us to

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go back out.
And that one was us and

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Motörhead and corrosion and
conformity.

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Also another band that I looked
up to so much, people who are

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listening right now that aren't
as musician nerds as the three

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of us.
The 2 bands that he just

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mentioned are bands that if they
walked by somebody like James

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Hetfield, he would have the same
feeling that the three of us

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have.
He would look at those guys and

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say those are my heroes.
And.

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It's because they ate, slept,
breathed the lifestyle.

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Just like, you know, They
weren't chasing the big hit on

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the radio.
They weren't looking for fortune

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and fame.
They wanted to play music on

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their terms.
And.

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I appreciated that.
And and that was and everything

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you've ever heard about Lemmy or
have seen about Lemmy or said

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about Lemmy was absolutely 100%
too.

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That dude was that's who he was.
There was no act, you know, like

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some people you meet, I've met
some people and it's not, I'm

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not begging against them, but
the person that you meet off

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stage and the person that you
see on stage are two completely

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different people.
And that's fine, you know,

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because there's times all of us
are.

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I mean, when you're performer,
you're you're a performer,

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you're going to have a somewhat
a little different personality.

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Lammy was not Lammy was the
exact same person that you've

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always seen.
He's the same person as he was

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on stage as he was off stage.
He was incredibly kind,

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incredibly intelligent and him
and I struck up a friendship

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just because I was a history
major and and he really loved

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history.
He was really fascinated.

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World.
War 2 buff, Nazi Germany buff,

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anything like that.
So even if we weren't on tour

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with them and we were in in, in
Hollywood and we'd always end up

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at the Rainbow and, and Lemmy
would be at the rainbow and I

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just go up to him and him and I
would sit there and, and just

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talk history and talk, you know,
talk shop man.

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And I just I really appreciated
his friendship and his guidance

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and just watching like, you
know, he's God.

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Let me is God, let me.
Is God remember the Remember the

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movie Airheads with William
Frazier and Abstract?

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Yeah.
Yeah, who would win in a fight?

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Let me.
Let me versus God.

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Right God, wrong trick.
Trick question.

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Let me is God.
Yeah.

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And and that's and it was.
But you know, I think my

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favorite part of Lem was he did
an interview and I believe Metal

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Edge magazine in 2005 and they
asked them they're like, well,

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we all know what you've been
listening to for years and your

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influences.
What did, what are what are you

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listening to now?
In the first band, Office Tongue

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was my band and I was like, all
right, I'm cool.

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I don't care what anyone else
says about my band, about the

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reviews, anything else.
Lemmy things were cool.

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So fuck everybody else.
And that's so cool, man.

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Yeah.
Very few people can have that

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story so.
No, it's very few wanted.

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To know, you know, was he
really?

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And I've heard the same thing
from so many musicians.

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As far as Lemmy's concerned, all
the stories are all positive.

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Yeah, all positive and just just
man, what a what a cool dude.

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What a cool dude.
And all he cared about was

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music, man.
He just wanted, he just wanted

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to drink his Jack and Coke and
get up and play music and that

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was it.
That was that was all he wanted

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to do.
And he loved his women.

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Oh, tell you that most people
couldn't understand.

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I have Oh my God, that was the
lot.

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I I can't believe how loud that
band was and anybody who's ever

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seen ever saw got the chance to
see motor high will know that

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like that.
I mean the on stage volume, like

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when we went up to finally sound
check that day in Denver and I

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remember my guitar player.
They're like, alright, you know,

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the song guys, OK, alright,
guitar stage, right.

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And my guitar goes like that.
And the monitors were at the

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level that Motörhead Hazmat and
those dudes are all so I mean

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it, dude, it, it shook me so
much.

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It disoriented me that I was
dizzy.

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Wow.
I was like, how the fuck?

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On stage volume for the Alder
monitors was over 100 decibels

449
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:13,040
and it's sometimes close to
about 105, which is a jet.

450
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,640
That's a jet engine.
I'll tell you a quick funny

451
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,920
story, Joe.
I've been giving lessons to a

452
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:22,000
buddy of mine and he buys this
really cool gear and he's still

453
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,160
learning.
So he left a lot of it in my

454
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,280
studio so that I could enjoy it,
right?

455
00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:30,120
Like these new spark amplifiers
he bought, like all the shit

456
00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:33,680
that goes with it, the cabinet.
And so now he's got the spark

457
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,760
too, and it cranks it up to 140
watts, right?

458
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,120
And he wants to hear what it
sounds like.

459
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,600
So he starts turning it up and I
can see the look on his eyes.

460
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,720
And at first I thought he was
getting scared and he thought he

461
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,280
was scaring me.
He turned the volume back down

462
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,200
and I just calmly looked at him
and said it's only ever going to

463
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,120
be too loud for you because you
have no idea what loud is,

464
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,880
right?
You know, like the rest of us.

465
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,240
I stood in front of 100 Watt
Marshall tube amp with multiple

466
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,080
cabinets behind me.
That's loud.

467
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,760
Yeah, and, and, and, and
unfortunately that's a thing

468
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:11,840
that's kind of dying off, you
know, like most bands nowadays

469
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,800
are.
No one's got amplified.

470
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,600
Everything's in here.
Everything's like a camper audio

471
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,920
or a mod, a mod for the people
out there.

472
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,880
Instead of having an amplifier
and, and, you know, a, a cabinet

473
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,400
and an amp, it's just, it's a
little POD.

474
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:36,920
It's got all your noises in it
and there's no stage noise at

475
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,080
all, which is great when you're
there's, there's a lot of

476
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,720
advantages of it.
But for us who grew up, we want

477
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,360
to feel the air movement.
That's and when you're not

478
00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:49,920
feeling the bass moving air,
there's no air moving.

479
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,920
Like, I saw Fozzie a few years
ago, Chris Jericho's band, No

480
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,360
Cabinets, and the drummer was
playing an electric kit.

481
00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:01,800
It looked real, but everything
was electric.

482
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,640
So then you weren't each even
hearing symbol noises coming

483
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,640
from the stage.
So at first you're in a club and

484
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,120
you're like, this is weird.
Your ears all just.

485
00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:13,040
And then you're like, man, that
sounds really good.

486
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,280
But it was almost too good.
It was almost like, man, I want

487
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,400
my dirty stinky rock'n'roll
noise back, but.

488
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,080
Well, and you don't get, you
don't get the element the the,

489
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,960
the holy shit moment.
Like Mike and I have talked

490
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,960
about this before.
We saw Mellencamp in Arizona

491
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,040
years and years and years ago.
And, and I forget what song it

492
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,800
was, but but the drummer Kenny,
he broke a snare.

493
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,880
So when he hit the drumstick
down, you heard he broke the

494
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,240
snare by the time he lifted his
stick up.

495
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,160
And as you went to hit it back
down, the drum tape replaced the

496
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,600
snare top that quick and we look
like, holy shit, did you see

497
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:47,920
that?
And most people wouldn't

498
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,880
recognize that in the crowd
because you're not focused on

499
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,560
the individual things as a
musician, right?

500
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,000
Because we don't look at we look
at the pieces of the puzzle.

501
00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:57,560
But you don't you're not going
to get that in your scenario.

502
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,440
So you missed that element of
the live, the beautiful thing

503
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,040
about being live and and
everything behind you.

504
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,600
We're, we're the last
generation.

505
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,320
Well, I wouldn't say we're the
last generation, but I would say

506
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,240
definitely millennials are
probably the last generation to

507
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,240
really enjoy that.
And it's like, eventually we're

508
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,760
going to sound like old.
I remember back in the day I'd

509
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,080
uploaded 6 cabinets and all this
stuff.

510
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,240
I mean, everything's going to
evolve because I mean, if you

511
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,000
talk to the guys that were back
in the 60s and they were like

512
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,360
those EA systems and, and there
was no monitor systems and you

513
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:32,440
had to have all these mics.
There was only two or three

514
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,680
different styles of microphones.
How about a band like REO

515
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,160
Speedwagon that had to lug
around a Hammond B3 organ for

516
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,440
50?
Years, you know, Yeah.

517
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,920
Or the people that actually had
a piano, then they have had

518
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,920
somebody come and fucking tune
the piano every goddamn day.

519
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:48,600
Well, they went on in that boat,
too.

520
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,840
They had a Hammond B3 player and
Cronin played a grand piano.

521
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,280
Grand piano.
So it it makes things easier.

522
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:02,680
It makes things less, you know,
you can fix things a lot

523
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,080
quicker.
But if your software goes down,

524
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,680
you know, but done again, you
know, you can blow a tube and an

525
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,680
amp and stuff like that and
you're not it's like NASA you

526
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,920
like I was just when I was just
fixing my keyboard, I was

527
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,520
ordering some other stuff
because like at a gig, I have

528
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,960
two keyboards, one in the truck,
one in in my gig, just in case

529
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,360
something happens.
That keyboard I have, you know,

530
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:28,040
multiple cables, multiple
microphones, multiple

531
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,760
everything.
You got to be ready for anything

532
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,400
because.
Oh yeah, we had a backup for

533
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,080
every.
You got it, You got it.

534
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:39,160
So the first time that I well,
I, I got my guitar stolen.

535
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,880
So I only had one guitar for a
while and we had gigs booked in

536
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,960
perpetuity from the time Chris
joined the band, So there was no

537
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,600
taking time off.
So I bought a guitar.

538
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,880
I begged this friend of mine to
sell me this guitar that I still

539
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,880
have, and that was it.
It had a floating tremelo on it

540
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,600
and I busted a string.
So you're, you know, you're up

541
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,440
shit Creek.
I learned very quickly that I

542
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,160
picked the right three guys to
be in a band with me because

543
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,040
they soldiered on.
It took me forever to get that

544
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,200
thing strong.
Yeah, it's, it's, I know my

545
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,280
daughter just started playing
bass and she did can voice

546
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,560
lessons and she plays violin and
all this stuff.

547
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,240
So, you know, I just had her
guitar dropped off at the shop

548
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,800
up the street to get set up
because she's like the action.

549
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,840
I don't know anything really
much about guitars.

550
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,520
I know the lingo.
I know everything about it, but

551
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,480
I don't know how to play it.
I don't know how to fix any of

552
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:32,920
it.
But I know what she says.

553
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,480
Yeah.
And and she's like, Dad, the

554
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,360
strings are too high.
They get my my bass player and

555
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,440
her instructor, who I'd known
for a number of years.

556
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,240
I'm like, oh, you need the
action set, You need your guest.

557
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,600
You did the bass set up.
She goes, yes.

558
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,240
So I'm like, that'll get done
today.

559
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,840
So it's up at the shop, my guys
fixing out all because the

560
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,080
strings are she needs some
closer so she can, you know, do

561
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,440
some stuff but but it's pretty
cool.

562
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,120
She chose the bass.
Yeah, she.

563
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,040
She's, I mean, I've never forced
her into music.

564
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,480
You know, I'm once like I
assumed that I was just going to

565
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,760
start giving her voice, voice
lessons and, and getting her

566
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,680
into music.
And I'm like, no, I'm going to

567
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,440
let her go on a musical journey
on her own.

568
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:17,760
I'm going to let her find it
herself.

569
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,160
If I force it upon her at such a
young age, she probably won't

570
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,840
dig it, but I knew she would
find her way to it.

571
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,440
And then, you know, she got into
violin a few years ago.

572
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:32,720
She's got an incredible voice,
but I don't teach and, and, and

573
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,560
even if I did teach, I wouldn't
teach my own kid.

574
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,880
There's, it's really most people
that I know.

575
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,480
They're like, I send my kid, I'm
an instructor, but I send my kid

576
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,840
to someone else just because of
all that.

577
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:44,640
It's kind of like when.
They're ready to learn how to

578
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,640
drive, right?
You're not teaching them how to

579
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,640
drive because she's a kid, man.
It's like, no, it's someone else

580
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,520
can do that.
Yeah, but this this summer?

581
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,240
She went to School of Rock.
A dear friend of mine opened the

582
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,920
School of Rock.
It's the first one we have in

583
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,960
our area and they were just
doing like a week amp just to

584
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,640
get everybody in there.
And she went there and the first

585
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,400
day she's like, man, I really
like guitar.

586
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,560
And then she comes back the
second day and she's like, well,

587
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,360
I played the bass a little bit.
And then on Wednesday she's

588
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,520
like, I'm doing bass.
By Friday was their performance.

589
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,000
She had learned rocking in the
free world in like 2 days on the

590
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,920
bass.
And she's like, I want to go

591
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,960
there for voice lessons and I
want to take bass.

592
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:23,960
I'm like, you want to play
guitar?

593
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,920
She's like, no, I I like the
bass.

594
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,200
I'm like, I like, I go.
Not many people want to play the

595
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,720
bass.
She goes every, everyone wants

596
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,400
to play guitar.
No one plays the bass.

597
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,880
I go, you're part of the rhythm
section.

598
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,640
I go.
And now she's listening to

599
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:38,920
songs.
She's like, dad, you hear the

600
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,160
bass in that song and you're
what the bass is doing in that

601
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,880
song.
So it's cool, you know, I'm

602
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,560
excited for.
We just recently interviewed.

603
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:54,120
Ronnie Robson from Canada, and
he was heralded in this guy's

604
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,880
book, is one of the top 100 most
influential bass players

605
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,440
basically to ever walk the
planet.

606
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,000
We had never heard of the guy
and he's still, well, he was a

607
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,760
lot of his stuff.
With studio studio musician,

608
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,640
he's a very sought after studio.
Hollywood Monsters is his latest

609
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,160
project, I think.
But he had he had he just

610
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,120
anybody and everybody that you
can think of musically.

611
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,360
He's played with some monster
like yourself.

612
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,040
You know, the guy played with
some monster players.

613
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,680
There's people out there.
Like that and one of the things

614
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,560
that I told.
Him was the bass is something

615
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,680
that like your daughter said,
everybody wants to play guitar

616
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,240
because it's out front, right?
It's the guy that everybody

617
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,640
know.
It's the same reason I wanted to

618
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,720
play guitar.
But when you get in a band and

619
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,800
you don't have a bass player and
then you get 1, you know, like

620
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,000
think back to when you were
131415 years old.

621
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,720
I was in the same boat as you,
Joe.

622
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,320
I spent a lot of time crafting
my own sound, right?

623
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,520
I didn't collaborate with a lot
of people till later on and I

624
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,440
think that benefited me because
I did develop my own way of

625
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:01,400
playing and I I do have a
distinct sound so I.

626
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,040
When I would give lessons.
To kids, it became the running

627
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,200
joke.
It's like, have you ever thought

628
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,160
about playing bass?
Because you'll be in a band like

629
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,960
that if you learn how to play.
Oh, there's not enough.

630
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:17,040
Bass players out there, but I I
tell everybody and I try not to

631
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,600
tell a lot of bass players or
drummers this.

632
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:25,160
I go the what you need in your
band without a good bass player

633
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,040
without without a good drummer,
you're shit without the next

634
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,040
most important part is your bass
player because they're they lock

635
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,480
into each other.
But without those, I don't care

636
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,000
how good of a guitar player you
are.

637
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,920
I don't care how good of a
singer are your band sucks.

638
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,560
You can have a ripping good
guitar player.

639
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,560
You can have a ripping singer,
but if you're bass player and

640
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,840
your drummers suck, you suck
those those absolutely the most

641
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,800
important pieces of your band
and I thought you can.

642
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,800
Have average band with the best
drummer in the world and you

643
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,760
have a great band.
If you have the greatest band in

644
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,040
the world with an average
drummer, you have a shit band.

645
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,560
Just what you said that you
can't overcome not having a good

646
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,880
rhythm section.
No, if you if you look.

647
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,480
At any of the greatest bands out
there, man, and all of them

648
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,960
have, you know, these drummers
that are just like or, or rhythm

649
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,960
sections that are just
unbelievable, you know, and, and

650
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,520
anybody will tell you that.
And I'm, I'm, I've been blessed

651
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,040
in any of the projects I've ever
done.

652
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,679
I've had absolutely amazing
drummers, absolutely amazing

653
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,400
bass players.
And anytime I put a project

654
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,800
together, those, the first two
people I think of, I find a

655
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,679
guitar player, I'll find all the
other accessories, man.

656
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:38,840
But I need, I need those people.
And you know what?

657
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,639
That's exactly.
What I've always thought of

658
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:43,480
myself, and I think that's why I
never got a big head because

659
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,600
there's a million guitar players
out there, right?

660
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,560
You just said it and I'm going
to start using that from now on.

661
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,719
Guitar players are an accessory.
You know, they're like the other

662
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,040
thing you put on your car, it's
the turbocharger you had.

663
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,440
There's a million turbochargers
in the world.

664
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,840
We can add it to whatever car we
want, but if you don't have Neil

665
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:06,280
Pert sitting back there or John
Bonham or Ginger Baker, if you

666
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,640
don't have somebody that can
drive the train.

667
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,200
It falls off the rails.
I mean, I I'm glad we came upon

668
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,640
this discussion because for
young musicians out there,

669
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,440
there's nothing more important
than finding the most badass

670
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,280
drummer and bass player that you
can get your hands on.

671
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,000
One of the things that I was
throwing myself under the bus

672
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,720
for is because I was playing and
developing my sound on my own.

673
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:33,400
The one thing that I forgot,
Joe, was the metronome.

674
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:35,680
That's one.
Thing.

675
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,520
That's one thing I've learned.
Yeah.

676
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,120
I've had to learn the hard way
that way, you know when I found

677
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,400
a badass drummer.
That was the thing that he beat

678
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,480
over my head.
He would just accentuate that

679
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,320
one so hard all the time.
He's like, you got to meet me

680
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,960
here.
I don't give a shit what you do

681
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,920
in between.
But we got to come back right

682
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,520
here all the time.
Yeah, I my.

683
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,800
Our second drummer, we had two
drummers in Brand New Sin and

684
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,640
the first drummer we let go and
then we brought another guy in

685
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,840
and he was like, I want to do
things to click.

686
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,960
And we're like, we didn't even
record the first record to a

687
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,000
click track.
So we were like, you know, so it

688
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,480
was tough to get in all that,
but he really taught us the the

689
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,360
importance of it.
But he also taught us the

690
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,480
importance of like being able to
weave in and out of that, like,

691
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,240
because I was always like, man,
we're going to stop.

692
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,480
We're going to be robotic.
He's like, no, no, no, it's not,

693
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,120
it's not that way.
It's going to be different, you

694
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,960
know?
And then I really learned when I

695
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,640
really got into doing studio
work, really right before COVID

696
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,880
started, I was starting to do
tracks for other people.

697
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,680
I was doing, I was working with
other people virtually.

698
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,760
And everybody was like, man, can
you, can you play to a click?

699
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,000
Oh my God, as a piano player,
man, I was like, it was really

700
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,360
hard because I had never done
that.

701
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,160
But I've gotten better at it
because it just makes life so

702
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,880
much easier.
But I've also learned what kind

703
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,560
of Click to put in my ears to,
to do it and like do don't just

704
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,160
come back on the 1:00.
And if you fall off it, come

705
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,680
back and then you can quantize
and all that stuff.

706
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,880
But man, it's made
collaborations around the world

707
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,840
so much easier because then you
send something to somebody.

708
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,760
And likewise when I'm working
with somebody and they send me

709
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,960
stuff to sing over, I know it's
all locked into a click.

710
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,480
So then I'm like, well, I'm just
I'm going to sing this course

711
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,600
once and then and then move it
over and move this part over.

712
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,160
And I don't have to sing
everything all the way through.

713
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,880
I can, you know, I can grab
parts.

714
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,520
So and and plus just learning
how to play the click just makes

715
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,480
you a better player.
It's harder for it's hard at

716
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:30,680
first.
It's really sad hard.

717
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,640
It's exactly what every.
Musician fears when they hear

718
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,040
the word click.
We're going to end up sounding

719
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,600
like a typewriter.
It's going to be just, there's

720
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,040
going to be no feeling.
You got to be able.

721
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,360
You have to learn how to play
around.

722
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,960
That's why you know, Scott
wasn't a drum teacher.

723
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,360
He musicians have their own
language.

724
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,840
So what he meant when he said I
don't give a shit what you do in

725
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,960
between is just what Joe said.
You can speed up and slow down

726
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,120
in between the measure, but
everybody.

727
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,880
Has to come.
Back on the one or the train

728
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,680
falls off the rails.
Imagine you can't imagine

729
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,080
anybody in the world other than
Led Zeppelin riding Cashmere

730
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,760
because it's in two different
time signatures at the same

731
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,960
time.
Yeah, but they're.

732
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,680
Playing 4/4 and they're playing
9. 12 over the top of him, Yeah,

733
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,880
I can't remember.
What YouTube I watched and he

734
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,600
does that and I don't I don't
know if it's if it's he might be

735
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,160
like doctor rock.
He literally dresses up in a

736
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,600
doctor's outfit and he the best.
It's really nerdy for the people

737
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,480
that are in the recording and
knowing much a lot things about

738
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,800
recording.
But what he'll do every once in

739
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,160
a while, he's like, all right,
let's go back and take these

740
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,560
songs that were never put to a
click.

741
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,800
A lot of times it's Zeppelin or
Bad Company or stuff like that.

742
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,120
Beatles songs that weren't
recorded to a click.

743
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,360
Let's quantize them.
Let's put them to a click.

744
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,080
And then you hear them, you're
like, Oh my God, it's, it's, it

745
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,280
sounds horrible.
It sounds horrible, you know,

746
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,600
because there is something to be
said about those older records.

747
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,840
And there's a there another
project that I did with one of

748
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,680
the guitar players from from
brand new Santa was called

749
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,600
Elephant Mountain and was more
of a rock project.

750
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:17,560
It was more like Deep Purple
meets Government Mule and, and,

751
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:22,600
and in that project we
absolutely were like, there's no

752
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,720
clicks in this band and our
drummer came from the jazz

753
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:32,720
world, is a jazz drummer.
So what he did was very cool,

754
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:35,640
but like, man, there you can
hear the things pushing and

755
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,440
pulling all the time.
But then there's other projects

756
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,640
like man, I'm like, we have to
do this to a click.

757
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,200
It's I guess it just depends on
what you're going for.

758
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,760
You know the style dictates what
you're going to do.

759
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,760
Yeah, you know the.
Old time rock, that old

760
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,360
rock'n'roll, that old classic
rock.

761
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,960
Like man, that was all about
pushing and pulling.

762
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,440
Especially Zeppelin.
Especially Zeppelin, you know,

763
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,560
ACDC, a lot of people don't
realize how much.

764
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,840
Swing there is in an ACDC beat,
but without Phil Rudd.

765
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:05,520
You know those Simon Wright
years?

766
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,320
They're good songs, but it's a
different feel for ACDC.

767
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,640
It's not the same when Phil.
Rudd's not behind the kit.

768
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:12,960
Couldn't agree with you more,
Joe.

769
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,960
You know that dude, it's like.
You just think he's like, then

770
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,720
he's at then he's just doing
that.

771
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:22,200
You're like, why is that?
It's so easy, but it's like, no,

772
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,720
it's not.
I was talking to sit down and.

773
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:27,200
Try and play that shit and then
talk to me after you're done.

774
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,160
Right?
I just saw I just saw a video.

775
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,400
Of him playing with, I think it
was the Australian Symphony

776
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,200
Orchestra and it was a big like
rock show and they did Highway

777
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,920
to Hell and he was playing the
drums, man.

778
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,040
And I mean that dude, what's
that dude in his 70s?

779
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:43,760
Was he smoking?
I.

780
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,360
Don't think so.
I think he'd probably usually

781
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,480
have that cigarette in his
mouth.

782
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,560
But no, he sat up there and he
fucking laid that beat down.

783
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,080
And it was like, man, there's
something to be said like about

784
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,240
the space.
And that was another thing I

785
00:40:57,240 --> 00:40:59,560
learned from our very first
producer, Brand New Sand.

786
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,000
Well, he's like, I don't give a
shit about this stuff, man.

787
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,360
He goes where's the space where
there's nothing happening, No

788
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,440
guitar notes, no singing, no
drum beat.

789
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:10,880
There's just, you know, and it's
minuscule.

790
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,040
And once like, well meaning
space.

791
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,520
I'm not talking right.
We're we're not, I'm talking

792
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,200
animation.
No.

793
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:22,040
Just like.
That, that, that little, that

794
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,920
little breath in between, that
that's the thing that keeps you

795
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,200
wanting.
To listen without you knowing

796
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:28,360
it, when you're the listener,
right?

797
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,720
You're not a musician.
You don't understand that.

798
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,440
I don't know why, but I got to
keep listening to the song.

799
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,560
It's because they keep baiting
you into it, right?

800
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:37,200
Right.
There's space slight.

801
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,720
Hesitation.
There's space in there.

802
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:43,040
Man, and that I've, I learned a
lot from that producer and I

803
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,680
carry over now, you know, I tell
people that I'm working with,

804
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,280
I'm like, man, just go, just
breathe right there or just no,

805
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,080
nothing there.
And I'm like, well, it's a split

806
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,080
second.
I go, trust me.

807
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,800
Listen to what happens when that
you start creating that little

808
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,680
space.
That was my favorite thing, Joe.

809
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,640
About the way that Chris wrote
his lyrics, because a lot of

810
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:04,880
times he would have these long
drawn out endings to whatever

811
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,600
point he was trying to make,
right?

812
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,160
And it would leave like
sometimes a measure and 1/2.

813
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,320
And people don't realize that
half a measure is the perfect

814
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,640
ending to, you know, you don't
need a full measure, but he

815
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,240
would leave you just the 2 beats
right within a 4 to 8 measure.

816
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:22,200
And it's like you could do
something cool and we would all

817
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,920
meet on that ending and there
would be that split second

818
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,960
before we came back in again.
And you could just see the look

819
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,640
on people's faces when the
volume came back out.

820
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,600
It's like, oh, you just hit him
over the head.

821
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,920
You know, I want to.
I want.

822
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,240
To I want to go down Joe's life
resume for a second here.

823
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,240
Well, no, because there's one
thing I noticed on on on your

824
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:44,240
YouTube channel and I don't know
how much you know about Mike and

825
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:45,600
I, but he and I are both in
recovery.

826
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,960
I've been I've been sober for
over 20 years.

827
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,840
That's my 20 year chip.
That's awesome man.

828
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,200
And.
You just got your.

829
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,560
One year, Chip, one year I'll be
months.

830
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,800
Ago in in December.
It'll be two.

831
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,320
It'll be two years.
Congratulations.

832
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,520
I'm almost two.
I'm almost two years, man, Right

833
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,320
on.
I'm really psyched about that,

834
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:05,880
man.
It was something I didn't think

835
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,080
I'd ever do.
And, and honestly, when I, when

836
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,240
I decided to finally get sober,
it wasn't like I was in, you

837
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:15,920
know, everyone just like, Oh my
God, I didn't realize you had a

838
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,000
problem.
Like, well, I, there was times

839
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,840
in my life I was definitely way
down, man.

840
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,720
And I was using not just
alcohol, but the drugs and, and

841
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:31,840
everything else, man.
But it was a slow roll, two

842
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,600
years to get me to sobriety and
it wasn't like, man, I'm, you

843
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,360
know, my life is fucking up.
My life was going very well.

844
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:45,960
It just finally all of a sudden
I just lost the I'm like, why am

845
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,840
I even doing this?
Why am I drinking?

846
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,640
Can't recover.
You know, I'm not even enjoying

847
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,680
being buzzed, but it was just
second nature.

848
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,600
Even if I wasn't drinking every
day, there was times I'll get to

849
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,200
a gig and I have anxiety.
I have anxiety and panic

850
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:03,800
disorder.
So there's a lot of times I

851
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,960
would, I was just using that to
like, give me a beer and a shot

852
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,120
and that's all I'm going to
drink tonight.

853
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,720
But just enough to like take the
edge off, get me behind the

854
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:13,920
piano and kind of just get me
going for the rest of the night.

855
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:15,840
But it was always such a social
thing.

856
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,400
And the last time that I drank,
I had stopped drinking for three

857
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,920
months up to that time.
And I was like, I'm just going

858
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,720
to take a break.
I don't at the end of the summer

859
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:30,520
of 2/20/23, yeah, 2023.
I was just saying I don't want

860
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,640
to drink anymore.
It's like it's not serving me

861
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,320
anymore.
I I'm not enjoying it.

862
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,000
I don't like the way I feel the
next day.

863
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,280
It's just when you drink, you're
robbing from tomorrow, You're

864
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,880
like, you're taking the more and
the more the more you drink.

865
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,800
I love that.
I love that me too.

866
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,240
You want, you want, you want all
the you want all that.

867
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:49,920
You want all the happiness
today.

868
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,400
Well, you're going to, you're
going to, you're going to start

869
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:53,760
robbing.
You're going to write that down.

870
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,040
You're going to start taking out
of.

871
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,120
Tomorrow's.
Happiness and maybe day 2 after,

872
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,840
that's happiness.
So you do you want all to this

873
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,120
happiness and in the next two
days be filled with just feeling

874
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,120
like shit.
Like, yeah, you can have this

875
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,720
out, but you're robbing from
your future.

876
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:13,160
So I just stopped and I said I'm
not going to drink until Brandon

877
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,360
was doing another reunion show
in December of that year.

878
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,360
And I was like, I'll wait till
that night and then I'll drink

879
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,520
that night with the boys and you
know, we'll have a great show.

880
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,680
We had a sold out show at the
theater here, like 809 hundred

881
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,720
people.
And and that night I great

882
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:30,800
before I went on stage, I
cracked a beer.

883
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,440
I drank a couple shots and I
went on stage.

884
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,880
And then after the show I had
some beers with the fans and

885
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,520
some people.
I didn't drink excessively and

886
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,440
not, you know, I maybe had over
the course of the night, maybe

887
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:49,560
3-4 beers, 3-4 shots, which I
mean, it's not a lot for someone

888
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,880
who used to be able to drink 20,
you know, And I remember getting

889
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,960
home that night and I remember
laying down and I'm just, I was

890
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,520
already just like, I'm like,
why?

891
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,680
I'm like, I had the most perfect
show.

892
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:09,920
And honestly, I could have had
the same feeling without getting

893
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,320
drunk.
And, and I'm like, I just, I

894
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,040
don't like this.
And I fell asleep and the next

895
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,840
day I woke up and I was just so
hungover.

896
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,400
It literally the, my whole day
was shot.

897
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,040
I I couldn't do anything.
I had all these other plans to

898
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,120
go and hang out with people that
have come into town and I

899
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,880
canceled them all.
And I just said, yeah, I'm done.

900
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,520
And I did it quietly.
I only told a few people.

901
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,720
I didn't make like, hey, you
know, there's so many people go

902
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:37,680
out there and be like today's
day one and all that.

903
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,080
I didn't tell people until I was
like 8 or 9 months into it.

904
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,720
That's why I didn't know.
That's why I don't know my.

905
00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:45,800
Date Joe, because you and I have
that in common.

906
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,720
And I think it has a lot to do
with us and you.

907
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,960
I think we probably have a lot
of the same disorders, right?

908
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,240
We're an extrovert and an
introvert in the same body.

909
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,720
Yeah, an ambivert.
And it's called an MDV or

910
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,440
ultravert.
There's a couple of different

911
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,680
words for that.
Yeah, we are the same, I hear.

912
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,480
You talk, and we have a lot of
those same similarities.

913
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,720
So I did the same thing, man.
I woke up one day and I knew I

914
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:11,760
was going to die.
So I I we got to quit now,

915
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,120
Right?
And I said the same thing.

916
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,000
Why are you doing this?
You used to enjoy living.

917
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,720
You used to enjoy playing music.
You used to enjoy hanging out

918
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:20,880
with your friends.
It's like, what are you doing?

919
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:22,800
Yeah.
And there was so many.

920
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,280
Times and then after that, like
I everyone's like, well, you

921
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:26,960
know, the people that were close
to me like, well, what are you

922
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,280
going to do when people buy you
drinks?

923
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,200
I'm like, I'm just, I'm not
drinking tonight or, you know, I

924
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,160
just said no thank you and I
didn't explain it.

925
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:34,680
And I just let it go for a
while.

926
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,760
And so I felt like I had a
little control on it because

927
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,480
after that show I, I went
through like I was mentally

928
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,480
having a lot, I was struggling a
lot mentally and like my

929
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,440
depression was coming in.
I cancelled the UK tour that

930
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,600
I've been planning for a year
and I just kind of had to get my

931
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,920
shit straight.
And I'm like, alcohol is not

932
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,440
helping this.
And I'm also looking at all my

933
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,280
friends that are around me that
are struggling and people are

934
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,960
drinking and they're like,
they're on this medication, that

935
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,320
medication, they're having this
or people are having heart

936
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,760
attacks.
And, and all my idols around me

937
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,520
like are all my their livers are
failing.

938
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,040
Their kidneys are failing at
everything.

939
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,680
It's like you can't keep that
up.

940
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:15,880
And, and, and there's such a,
there's such a decline in

941
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,360
alcohol in general.
I mean, since I got in sober,

942
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,160
I've realized there's a ton of
other people around me that have

943
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:25,000
gotten sober as well, right?
And it's, that's a whole of

944
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,080
conversation for another day.
But like I, and, and then I

945
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,120
stopped and then I thought maybe
for a little bit, like I used to

946
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,920
smoke a lot of weed back in the
day and then I didn't smoke and

947
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,800
I would dabble once in a while.
And now it's completely legal

948
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,560
in, in New York State.
It's been legal.

949
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,960
I mean, that's why And that's
why I.

950
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,600
Think the alcohol abuse is
dropping so dramatically because

951
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,920
people come back to something
else that doesn't have the same

952
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,560
like like.
And yes and no.

953
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,960
But but you're not you're.
Not insanely violent when you,

954
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,080
when you're stoned out of your
mind, you're not going to get

955
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,240
behind a car and kill an entire
family because you, you, you're

956
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:03,160
so out of whack with with the
booze, right?

957
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,200
I mean, I don't, I would never
drive stoned or drunk at all.

958
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,160
When I was drinking rhinotically
enough, I only drove drunk three

959
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,840
times and the one was the last
time I ever drove drunk.

960
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,120
And then the next day, I didn't
know how I didn't get caught,

961
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,960
which is when I woke up, like
something's got to change

962
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,400
because my wife and I, we never
fought.

963
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,760
I was functional.
So I hit it.

964
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,720
Nobody knew.
Kind of like you, the people

965
00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:26,720
that I did tell, they kind of
mocked at it and laughed at me.

966
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:28,520
Oh, you'll be drinking in a
month and like, you're never

967
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:29,680
going to be successful with
that.

968
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,120
So the thing that was for me, it
was, I mean, for you, I can't

969
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,320
imagine because I wasn't in the
music lifestyle then.

970
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,760
But so I lost a lot of friends
because I, I'm like, I'm not

971
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,840
drinking.
But if if you lost people.

972
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,680
You didn't lose friends.
Well, true, they weren't your

973
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:44,600
friends.
Yeah, good.

974
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,920
Good way to spend.
That for sure, but for you doing

975
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,640
it in the height of your career,
right.

976
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,720
I mean, it may not be bad of
you, but in the midst of that,

977
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:54,360
like you said, how do you say no
to drink?

978
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,600
And you know, it's it's, yeah, I
mean.

979
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,200
When you play four or five,
sometimes six nights a week.

980
00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:04,960
And that's, I mean, I would love
to say I'm in the music industry

981
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,960
and I am in some ways, but for
the most part when I'm playing

982
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,760
gigs, I'm in the food and
beverage industry.

983
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,800
And the more food and beverage I
can help sell, Oh yeah, yeah.

984
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,280
So the more gigs I'm going to
get.

985
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:18,760
So, you know, I'm, I'm an
accessory to help sell booze and

986
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,640
and food and beverages, you
know, in general when you're.

987
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:22,960
Yeah.
So when you're doing.

988
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,200
Your shows, you're doing the
stuff that you kind of drop on

989
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,120
Instagram, the different
versions of songs and whatnot,

990
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,920
because I don't like the column
covers because you kind of make

991
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:29,920
them your own.
Yeah.

992
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,880
What was that list?
No.

993
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,400
Well, here's the thing.
Because some people are like,

994
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,760
man, what you do?
Like we came out and when say

995
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,760
when we come out to see her,
you're going to hear, hey, I'm

996
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,840
going to change this song.
I'm like, I'll throw those in,

997
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:45,280
but honestly, I I am just like
what you would typically see in

998
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,240
a bar.
You know, I'm playing you're

999
00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:50,280
upbeat, singing Salong songs
because if I was doing a lot

1000
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,520
what I was doing, I found AI
think this is what it is.

1001
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:54,720
I'm going to jump back a little
bit.

1002
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:59,000
I found my lane on social media.
I was like, where where is my

1003
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,360
lane going to be?
Where I'm going to get the

1004
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,560
engagement, get people to come
and discover me and then go down

1005
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,800
the rabbit hole and find that
I've done all these other things

1006
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,480
in my career.
How do I do that?

1007
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,360
And once I landed on a kind of
like a lane and something I

1008
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,080
could do, I just run with that.
But if someone comes and see me

1009
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:18,760
to play live, I do.
I play over 5000 different

1010
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,360
covers and I'm talking
everything from from Frank

1011
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,880
Sinatra to Metallica.
So like some days I'm playing,

1012
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,320
you know, a nursing home in the
afternoon at 1:00 in the

1013
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,200
afternoon.
I'm playing nothing but 60s and

1014
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,280
70s and oldies and classic
songs.

1015
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,360
And then and then I'll go play a
kids birthday party and I'm

1016
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,240
playing, you know, like One
Direction and Britney Spears in,

1017
00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:44,000
you know, things like that.
And and then I'll go to another.

1018
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,600
Read music, ladies and
gentlemen.

1019
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:47,920
And that and then I'll.
Go to a bar and now you'll be

1020
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,920
hearing me playing the bar.
And then some nights I'll be,

1021
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,200
it's more country, so I'll play
more country.

1022
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,160
Some nights it's more classic
rock, some more grunge.

1023
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,480
You know, while we're on this
subject.

1024
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:00,120
Since we.
Stumbled onto social.

1025
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,600
Media, yeah.
How do you avoid getting flagged

1026
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:05,960
for playing other people's
music?

1027
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:10,160
Because Chris and I have been
getting YouTube especially hates

1028
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,800
us right when we play other
people's music.

1029
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,640
Are you using their?
Actual tracks.

1030
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:17,680
Well, like like we did this
morning.

1031
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,360
When we were waiting for you to
come on, we, we played, I went,

1032
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:21,920
I'm on the, I'm on the Instagram
page right now.

1033
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,320
So the, the viewers can see this
because we're live going through

1034
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,320
countries right now, right?
So, so we, we played last in

1035
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,280
line, a bit of last in line.
We played a bit of limelight.

1036
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,320
I know where he's going though.
Yeah, yeah.

1037
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,040
Here's what I want.
So here's what I.

1038
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,640
Want to ask you, Joe, So like,
do you follow the charismatic

1039
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,840
voice on YouTube?
No.

1040
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:44,720
I don't believe something.
Maybe I do.

1041
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,240
She used to be an opera singer.
And she kind of does what you

1042
00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:52,280
do, only she goes one step
further and she breaks down.

1043
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,200
She's actually, I know who
you're talking about.

1044
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,520
It what's her name?
Alyssa or something?

1045
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,920
I can't think of her name, but
she's.

1046
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:02,480
Listening to the track.
In the background as she's

1047
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,560
explaining what they're doing.
That's all we're trying to do,

1048
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,200
right?
We're trying to play the song

1049
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,880
and then say here's why we like
it or don't like it or yeah,

1050
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,800
well, there's, there's.
There's a lot, there's a lot to

1051
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,080
that.
Like, OK, And it all comes down

1052
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:21,200
to D EMCA Digital Music
Copyright Act.

1053
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,160
And that was enforced many years
ago.

1054
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,440
And that was, you remember,
there was a number of years ago

1055
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,200
where YouTube thought they were
going to go away because YouTube

1056
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,160
was like, oh, we don't have the
rights, all that stuff.

1057
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:32,640
And that's really where it all
came about.

1058
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,880
As long as I'm interpreting, I'm
creating.

1059
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,520
The.
Music myself, I'm not using any

1060
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,600
recorded tracks that were
already recorded and released

1061
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,920
and I do my interpretation.
I'm in the clear.

1062
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,520
Absolutely OK, once you start
now.

1063
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:57,600
But if here's the caveat.
So if you take something that I

1064
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,360
did and start playing it, then
you're in violation because now

1065
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:05,040
you're using my cover that's
already in the fucking system.

1066
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,400
So they're going to they're
going to flag that or this times

1067
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,680
I used to do vocal covers and I
would take the actual track and

1068
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,680
remove the vocal and undo the
vocal cover.

1069
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:20,240
And that in that regard, TikTok
and a bunch of these other, you

1070
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:21,560
know, YouTube and stuff like
that.

1071
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,840
If you keep things under one
minute, then you're under fair

1072
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,160
use.
You won't get any of the

1073
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:28,360
revenue, but it's under fair
use.

1074
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,080
Once you go over a minute, then
it's copyright.

1075
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,280
They'll mute it got you.
OK, So what I did for your stuff

1076
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,120
this.
Morning should be able to pass

1077
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,840
through the show because we did.
I, I, we played three of your

1078
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,880
songs on Instagram and then we
pulled up one of your tracks on

1079
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:46,080
for for your band Brand new send
because Mike and I were like,

1080
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,360
holy shit, just got originals
like what is this?

1081
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,080
Yeah.
But that's good to know it's.

1082
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,760
It's there's a lot.
To it and each platform is a

1083
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,960
little different and I upload
covers all the time to YouTube

1084
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,520
and a lot of times they will
detect detect well, they'll look

1085
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,320
at the title and they'll be like
oh, he's covering the cars.

1086
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,120
So next thing you know, they're
like, hey, you're going to be

1087
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,320
sharing your revenue with these
people, you know, and then

1088
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,000
you're splitting the revenue
with the people.

1089
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,600
I'm just saying there has to be
a way.

1090
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,320
To make him happy because she's
literally listening to their

1091
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,960
tracks for 1/2 an hour and she
has a million subscribers and

1092
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,920
they're not she's she's probably
not she's.

1093
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,040
Sharing the revenue.
She's not getting monetized.

1094
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,040
Yeah, we're not.
We're not monetized either.

1095
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,960
That's what makes it weird, man.
It doesn't matter.

1096
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:35,320
OK it.
Doesn't matter if you're

1097
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,360
monetized or not you're
monetized regardless if you're

1098
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,280
monetized or not you're being
monetized like somebody's making

1099
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,760
money because they're selling ad
revenue on your shit and

1100
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,440
everything else.
I got you So yeah it's it's a

1101
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,120
very intense and probably 2 hour
conversation early do that.

1102
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:54,000
And each platform, each platform
is, is, is vastly different

1103
00:55:54,000 --> 00:56:00,080
because if I, if I post a full
cover, what if I release a cover

1104
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,960
and I put it up on my own page,
OK, I get, I don't get any

1105
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,280
revenue from it 'cause like
Facebook or Instagram be like,

1106
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:14,520
oh, you're using just Joe here I
go again, even though it's, but

1107
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,760
I did that.
And but they don't know that

1108
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,240
like let's, it's all pieces and
parts, it's algorithm.

1109
00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:21,520
And if anything, you should be
happy that it's doing that

1110
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:25,280
because you may not be, you may
not, you may not be getting the

1111
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,960
revenue off the video that
you're posting to Facebook, but

1112
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,240
any revenue that's generated
from that is going to the.

1113
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,800
On the other.
Side, that's Chris's.

1114
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,000
Argument.
Yeah, all we're doing.

1115
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:43,040
All we're doing is helping get
that artist more so in the

1116
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,120
forefront of other people that
may not have like there's people

1117
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,480
that that may not know who you
are.

1118
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,240
So the whole purpose of what we
do when we have musicians like

1119
00:56:51,240 --> 00:56:53,640
yourself, we want to promote the
hell out of you and get you in

1120
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,280
front of other people.
And I have your, your, your

1121
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,480
Instagram page up because I
don't want to forget about this.

1122
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,800
You're, you're breaking news,
the grind lifestyle about that.

1123
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:07,480
Yeah.
So I did a podcast with these

1124
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,080
guys at the grand lifestyle,
Nick and a couple of the other

1125
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:17,320
guys and about a year ago and
and they're managers as well on

1126
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,040
a lower level there.
You know, they're not like you

1127
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,240
know, they're not like Irving
Azoff shovel.

1128
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,400
You're not up there.
And I've always self managed

1129
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:28,920
myself as solo artists, but it,
there's times like I'm literally

1130
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:33,320
doing everything, man.
I'm doing everything.

1131
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,200
And it's, there's times in a day
I'm like, I didn't even play

1132
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,400
music today.
I'm a musician.

1133
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,720
I didn't even play music because
I had to do all this other stuff

1134
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,760
like what's this I got to do
when I get off the phone with

1135
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,520
you guys or when I get done with
this, I do some business side of

1136
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,440
things.
So we just struck up a

1137
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:52,360
conversation on that podcast and
then all of a sudden and we just

1138
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,120
struck up a, a friendship.
And then it was a few months

1139
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,520
later, I made a post about
something about just being a

1140
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,440
little frustrated about, you
know, just trying to find enough

1141
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,560
time in the day.
And they reached out and they're

1142
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,520
like, hey, you know, are you
interested in management?

1143
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,920
I'm like, well, I'm like, I was
going to ask you guys after the

1144
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,960
podcast that we did, but I
didn't want to feel like I was

1145
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,680
being an opportunist.
And they're like, same, you

1146
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:15,920
know, we didn't want to do the
same.

1147
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:17,560
And I'm like, I'm kind of glad
we did this.

1148
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:21,560
So really what we're doing it
and it's a really slow roll

1149
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:22,960
because everyone's like, well,
what's happening?

1150
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,400
What's happening?
I'm like, it's only been a

1151
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,640
couple months.
I go, you don't understand.

1152
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:30,000
Like we're all trying to like
kind of get used to like what

1153
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,960
we're going to be doing right.
You know, how we're going to

1154
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,760
approach things.
The business is rapidly changing

1155
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,960
in front of our eyes and our
ears right now with we're not

1156
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,400
just with not with just AI.
There's a lot of stuff with the

1157
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,880
AI side of things, which is
again, a whole other podcast on

1158
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,320
itself, but also in the live
music industry all the way from

1159
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,760
the top all the way down to the,
the, you know, the blue collar

1160
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,560
guys like me.
There's bands out there that are

1161
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,760
filming arenas that are losing
their ass.

1162
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:06,400
They're selling out places.
But the cost of touring is so

1163
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,800
fucking expensive because you
know who gets paid last after

1164
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:11,480
that?
The band.

1165
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,200
That that the band.
The band.

1166
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,360
Everyone else gets paid.
You know Lincoln.

1167
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,080
Park made a.
Sold out Wembley Stadium, but

1168
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,360
everyone else got paid before
the band did, right?

1169
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,520
Everybody.
And we can make a laundry list

1170
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:26,600
of all the people that are
involved.

1171
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,040
Then the cost of it.
Yeah, there was a story.

1172
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,360
I heard, I, I forget who, I
think Def Mckagan was talking,

1173
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,040
talking about the, the era when
Axel wouldn't come on stage

1174
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,400
right for like an hour and shit.
And and he made the comment,

1175
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,080
which was, it was probably in
the documentary, which blew my

1176
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:41,440
mind.
He's like, we were paying to

1177
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:45,760
play by the time that Axel came
on stage because like you just

1178
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,520
said, everybody gets paid before
the band.

1179
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,360
But because they went over
everything time wise, then they

1180
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,520
were paying the union because
all the roadies and the local

1181
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,360
unions and stuff had to get paid
in their time.

1182
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,200
You're right, you're past.
The hour when?

1183
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,880
You're supposed to go 11:00 man.
Right, so that blew my.

1184
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,280
Mind, like, holy shit, you're
paying to play.

1185
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,360
Even though you you filled
Phoenix International Raceway.

1186
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,440
You took an hour to come on the
stage.

1187
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,920
Yeah, everything's pushed back.
And you just fucked.

1188
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,120
Your entire band on the
paycheck, that's.

1189
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:13,640
Why?
A lot.

1190
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,080
A lot of it.
That's why.

1191
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,640
I love that.
Quote and that scene and a year

1192
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,760
and a half in the life of
Metallica and Chris quotes it

1193
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,440
all the time.
Where Jason Newstead was like,

1194
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,440
we learned so much about what
not to do when we toured with

1195
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,640
Guns and Roses.
Yeah, exactly.

1196
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,640
And and.
Jason, Jason actually lives up

1197
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:31,920
here now.
He lives in my area.

1198
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:36,840
He, he lives in A and we, we, I
run into him from time to time,

1199
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:40,680
but Jason's great too.
But, but yeah, getting back to

1200
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,880
my, my thing is like, and now
you're getting right down.

1201
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,680
And I've had some conversations
with some musicians as of late

1202
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,280
and they're like, man, I used to
be able to play four, 5-6 nights

1203
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:54,120
a week, well year round.
And now I, I, I got holes in my

1204
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:55,480
calendar.
I'm like, so do I, they're like,

1205
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,600
you do too.
I'm like, well, let me tell you

1206
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,640
something.
I go, I saw this a couple years

1207
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,600
ago and it was once COVID rolled
back, everyone's like, let's go

1208
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,000
do stuff and do stuff and do
stuff and do stuff.

1209
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,120
We just want to be out of our
house.

1210
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,080
But I go, that is going to be a
honeymoon phase.

1211
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,360
And then we're going to go back
to the actual problems that we

1212
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,280
have with our economy and the
cost of everything.

1213
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,520
And the cost of everything is so
fucking expensive now, right?

1214
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,400
And I told everybody I go
listen, I go as a musician.

1215
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,080
I'm re.
I've been spending a year

1216
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,880
revamping my business and
getting ready for this new

1217
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,120
phase.
But all these new things that I

1218
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:35,440
got going on because all my best
friends all owned restaurants

1219
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:39,040
and bars, and all of them are
like alcohol sales in New York

1220
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:44,200
State when we became legal,
dropped 25 to 33%.

1221
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:49,960
That's 1/4 to 1/3 and sales that
are out, but you know, cost of

1222
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,680
going out to dinner even like if
you're going to Applebee's for

1223
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,320
two people, it's going to be
well, well over 100 bucks.

1224
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:00,240
I go, I told all my musician
friends, I go don't watch the

1225
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,320
music industry, watch the food
and beverage industry.

1226
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,560
And if the food and beverage
industry starts struggling,

1227
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,600
we're going to start losing our
gigs or we're going to start

1228
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,280
have to play for less.
Or they're going to go from

1229
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,320
having music at a venue 2 to
three nights a week down to one

1230
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,360
a week.
Instead of 12 artists a month,

1231
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:16,920
they're going to have four
artists a month.

1232
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,280
So and the rotation, you're
going to go from getting 1 gig a

1233
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,400
month there to 1 gig every three
months there.

1234
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,240
And you start adding that up
across all the board.

1235
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,480
And I just had this conversation
with a musician yesterday and

1236
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,760
he's really thinking like, all
these venues are screwing me

1237
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:31,320
over or we're just getting
screwed.

1238
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,040
I'm like, no, they're not.
I go, do you have friends?

1239
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,400
I go, your girlfriend works in
the industry, right?

1240
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,600
Yeah.
I go ask her how business is.

1241
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,920
Ask her how shit is.
They're trying to survive, and

1242
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:43,600
most places can't get enough
work.

1243
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,840
Here's the thing.
Some places don't want to have

1244
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,600
music because they can't be any
busier than they are because

1245
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:50,400
they don't have the staff to
help.

1246
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,760
If you bring in a band that's
going to draw people, they're

1247
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,560
screwed because then everyone's
going to be like, man, I wait is

1248
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:59,480
the bar for 45 minutes?
I couldn't even get a drink.

1249
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,200
That happened at a venue here
last week.

1250
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:05,280
They had 700 people there and
everyone's like, I went there, I

1251
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,360
got one drink and I couldn't get
a drink for the rest of the

1252
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:08,920
night.
And then they're bitching.

1253
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,120
And then it's like, oh, we're
never going to go back there.

1254
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:15,000
And now, you know, so you can't
be any busier than you are.

1255
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,880
So that's why I was just like,
well, here, here's the next

1256
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,160
phase of my career.
In order to make it this long as

1257
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,520
a full time musician at 25,
almost 30 years into this now,

1258
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:29,160
you have to keep evolving.
You have to keep changing and

1259
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,080
you can't be pining for the old
days.

1260
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:34,080
I wish people would buy C DS.
I wish people would do this.

1261
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,960
I would.
I'm sorry you have to can't.

1262
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,800
You have to you.
You're not going to stop AI.

1263
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,440
You're not going to stop What
are you going to do about the

1264
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:44,000
economy?
What are you going to do?

1265
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,480
You, you personally, there's a
lot of things maybe you could

1266
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,760
do, but at, at the the macro
level of what you're dealing

1267
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:52,960
with on a daily basis, you're
not going to be able to change

1268
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,800
it.
So you do adapt or you die and

1269
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:57,840
somebody's flipped the music
business on a 10.

1270
01:03:58,160 --> 01:03:59,480
Right.
And it still is.

1271
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:01,440
I know.
You joined that band Everything.

1272
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,880
Was changing, Yeah.
I mean, we signed a record deal.

1273
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,520
At the worst possible time, you
know, or at the best possible

1274
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:07,880
time.
It depends on how you want to

1275
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:09,640
frame it.
But you know, I learned a lot,

1276
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,080
man.
I jumped into the music

1277
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,280
business.
You got to be on forefront.

1278
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:17,520
Forefront of what we're
experiencing now, yeah, and all

1279
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:18,400
the way.
Through right?

1280
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,080
And now AI.
Is coming.

1281
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,440
And you know, like I said,
that's a whole.

1282
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:23,640
I don't even want to get into
that.

1283
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,320
I mean, I I embrace it.
I mean, there's parts of it I

1284
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,240
don't like because now the entry
level to anybody making a song

1285
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,960
is like, yeah, all it's got to
do is do that and put in a

1286
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:34,760
couple words and it spits out
songs.

1287
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:37,960
But that's like any technology
that comes along.

1288
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:41,200
That was the same when everyone
got a phone with a camera on it.

1289
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:42,920
Now you're a professional
photographer.

1290
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:47,480
Oh, you can make a video or you
can, oh, you're a video creator.

1291
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,640
You're all this stuff.
I'm a I'm a cinematographer,

1292
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:50,760
Joe.
Let's come on, be real.

1293
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:52,080
Yeah, exactly.
So I.

1294
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,800
Mean there's a whole lot of
bunch of stuff, but I use AI,

1295
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,960
I'll use Suno and stuff like
that for demo ideas and

1296
01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:59,720
everything that I'm using it to
my advantage.

1297
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:03,720
But like everything's changing
and during COVID I had to

1298
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,320
stream, that's all I was doing.
I lost all my gigs.

1299
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:08,200
I don't know.
Where are you guys located?

1300
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:12,040
I'm in Arizona, Mikes IN.
Illinois, OK, well, New York

1301
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:13,760
State.
Man, it was like the Gestapo

1302
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,480
here when COVID happened.
Like it was like everything shut

1303
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:17,720
down.
There was.

1304
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:19,520
Oh.
God it was.

1305
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,200
It was a nightmare.
So I lost all my gigs and I'm

1306
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,640
like, what I'm going to do and
rape it.

1307
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:28,200
When I saw before the shutdown
was coming, I went and bought a

1308
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:29,040
bunch of gear.
I'm a God.

1309
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,400
I'm going to start streaming.
Everyone's like, no man, it's

1310
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:32,640
not going to be as bad as you
think.

1311
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,520
I go, no, it's going to be bad
and it's going to be probably

1312
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,440
worse than you freaking can
imagine.

1313
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,080
I go I'm experiment, Joe, not
the show, right?

1314
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:43,600
I I go.
Yeah, I was, I was a history

1315
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:45,480
major.
I know how this shit rolls out,

1316
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,400
man.
I've watched our government very

1317
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:52,680
deeply and and I'm not a
conspiracy nut, but there is

1318
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,360
conspiracies and all this other
shit.

1319
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,400
But I go, I'm going to get ready
for this.

1320
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:00,560
And I started streaming online
and those two years that were at

1321
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:04,560
the height of COVID, I made more
money streaming online that I've

1322
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:08,280
ever made.
And one year and, and I was

1323
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:12,080
making, I was killing it online.
But then I knew it was going to

1324
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:13,880
come back.
And now I'm back into the world

1325
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:15,600
of playing the games.
But now the gigs, you're going

1326
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:17,840
to start pulling back.
People can't afford.

1327
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,400
How the fuck do people afford to
do go to a concert?

1328
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,000
You see the price of rush
tickets.

1329
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:28,120
Fuck is paying 5000?
Dollars a ticket?

1330
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,960
Where are these people?
I don't, I don't understand it.

1331
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:33,760
And that trickles all the way
down.

1332
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:37,160
It's like, man, now all of a
sudden, with all this other

1333
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:39,840
stuff you got, like, now I'm
going to go back.

1334
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:43,000
I'm going to be streaming again.
Yeah.

1335
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:49,560
You know, I I just reset up my
entire studio to get ready to

1336
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:52,200
start streaming again.
Did you guys freeze, man?

1337
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:53,760
Oh, OK.
I thought you froze for a month,

1338
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:58,520
Chris has.
Been driving him, he has

1339
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:02,000
Starlink and he has a cable
modem so he can choose one or

1340
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:06,360
the other and both of them have
been driving him crazy like for

1341
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,480
about the past two weeks.
But but yeah.

1342
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:11,800
As I was saying, I'm getting
back into streaming again.

1343
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,240
That's one of the thing my
management company, this is

1344
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,880
where we all started going is
that, let me ask you going back

1345
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:18,360
to.
That not to interrupt you, but

1346
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,240
did you start on Instagram,
YouTube or Facebook first?

1347
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,480
Like when you were streaming
during the COVID?

1348
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:25,640
Yeah, Twitch.
Yeah.

1349
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:27,240
Oh.
You did twitch?

1350
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,120
Right out of the gate.
And I only did, I only did that

1351
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:35,680
because I was doing morning show
here twice a week.

1352
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,960
I was on radio with the the big,
the number one morning show in

1353
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,680
Syracuse and we have been using
Twitch for a year up to that

1354
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:44,680
point.
And the guy that runs the

1355
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:46,280
morning show, he's like, dude,
you should really should be

1356
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:48,160
streaming on there.
I'm like, when do I have time?

1357
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,920
I got to play at that time.
I'm playing 300 plus gigs a

1358
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:52,800
year.
So we never gained any traction.

1359
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:57,320
On Twitch and about six months,
three months into it, it was

1360
01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:00,160
quite a while.
Chris had set up the YouTube

1361
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,760
channel and I'm like, why don't
we just start streaming live to

1362
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,480
YouTube as well?
We had way more success on

1363
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,760
YouTube than we did.
It just depends.

1364
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,360
Man, Twitch is its own monster
in itself.

1365
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:13,960
It's about building a community,
it's about finding your lane.

1366
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,359
You can't just go on there and
just stream and get it's Oh my

1367
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:19,880
God again, another whole
conversation for another day.

1368
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:22,640
But you know, these are the
things that my managers that

1369
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:25,000
I've been talking about and it's
like, what what are we doing?

1370
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,520
Because he has some of their
artists were out on the road

1371
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:29,760
just Rd. donging it.
And I have a booking agent.

1372
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:31,840
Hey, do you want to go out for
two or three weeks?

1373
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,399
Yeah, they're going out and
they're just they're they're

1374
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:37,160
pounding the pavement and it's
like nothing's happening because

1375
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,520
these bars are like not filling
up.

1376
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:44,439
They're a lot of these artists
are lesser known that they're

1377
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:47,279
competing with all so and so is
down the street tonight or this

1378
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:48,600
was going out or there was a
fight.

1379
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:53,520
The football game is on.
So now it's really going back to

1380
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:58,319
streaming again because people
have harder bitch televisions

1381
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:01,960
that look amazing, sound systems
in your house that look amazing.

1382
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,720
You can go buy 30 rack and natty
ice and make a steak on the

1383
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:09,800
grill and sit back and enjoy
that and interact with that.

1384
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:13,160
So like I'm coming back to the
streaming game big time.

1385
01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:17,359
And because the last time I got
in the streaming, like ever

1386
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:20,640
since I left streaming, I pretty
I haven't really streamed since

1387
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:25,600
the end of 2022.
I stopped and I went back pretty

1388
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:30,960
much full time gigging.
And now I'm going back and but

1389
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:34,359
my social media has crippled
since that time.

1390
01:09:34,359 --> 01:09:38,240
So like now it's time to go back
and you know, wrangle and all

1391
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:42,720
those, all these people, man,
it's like it's it's a lot, man.

1392
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:46,120
There's there's so many, there's
so many things changing on that

1393
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:50,000
was the other thing about like
becoming an artist mentor, like

1394
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,960
how do I give back to these
other musicians?

1395
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,880
And part of it is like, man,
I've survived every wave that's

1396
01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:02,200
been brought my way.
So let's just start helping

1397
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,240
people navigate it.
Do I have the answers?

1398
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:07,120
No, but I'm going to tell you
I'm going to give you a survival

1399
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,600
tactics.
It's like going in the army,

1400
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:11,680
like, hey, I'm going to teach
you how to survive in the

1401
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:13,520
wilderness.
I'm going to teach you how to

1402
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:15,000
shoot this gun.
I'm going to teach you how to do

1403
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,280
this and that.
I'm not, I'm not, I'm, I'm not

1404
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,080
going to be exactly sure how
it's going to roll out, but

1405
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:24,000
you're going to have the, the
ability to face any situation

1406
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,000
and thrive in it.
Yep.

1407
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,200
Let's talk, you know.
Let's talk about how people can

1408
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:30,800
find you, Joe.
So this is your this is your

1409
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:32,200
Instagram page.
Joe.

1410
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:36,000
Just Joe Syracuse.
So he's dropping stuff every

1411
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:37,400
day.
Mike and I both follow him.

1412
01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:40,000
Mike was actually following you
long before I was following him,

1413
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:41,600
and I've been following you for
a long time.

1414
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,480
I love your Yeah, Joe.
I got actually.

1415
01:10:43,480 --> 01:10:44,600
That's the next thing I got to
do.

1416
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,000
I got to I got to make today's
video when I get off the phone.

1417
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,280
So here's what you need to do.
I mean, you don't have to do it,

1418
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:51,920
but I had I had I had the
thought because we lost Ace

1419
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:54,400
Fraley and Mike and I were
talking about before show the

1420
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,440
song Rock Soldiers.
That would be cool.

1421
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,640
Just saying.
But you know, I got, I got

1422
01:11:00,440 --> 01:11:01,720
another idea and I know if I'm
going to.

1423
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,960
Rush it just because.
Yeah, yeah, I want to make sure

1424
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:08,080
it sounds good, you know.
So I think I'm going to, I'm

1425
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,920
going to wait a few days and I
don't want, I want to sometimes

1426
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:12,800
I don't want to be that first
one, like, Oh my God, I got to

1427
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:14,960
do a tribute.
I got we can do a tribute at any

1428
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:16,920
time.
So I'm going to work on it and

1429
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:18,560
probably have something out in
the next few days.

1430
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:19,960
And I think it's going to be
cool because.

1431
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,960
But the easiest way to find me
because sometimes my social

1432
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,720
media, because just Joe wasn't
available on every platform.

1433
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:28,320
So I had to become just Joe
Syracuse.

1434
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,800
It's just go to justjoe.com.
Yeah.

1435
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:35,120
That and and that is my.
Whole you can find everything in

1436
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:39,040
in my world over there and find
everything that I'm doing now

1437
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,800
between the artist, mentorship,
custom songwriting, studio work,

1438
01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:45,960
you know, that's all the stuff
that I'm really starting to

1439
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:50,280
focus on now.
Keeps me home right more often.

1440
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,080
There's my link tree, yeah.
So but I did it on.

1441
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:58,120
Purpose because I want people to
see that number one if you scan

1442
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:01,320
this code right here you're
going to go all this stuff but

1443
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:04,320
there's your website just Joe
we're going to go there I got to

1444
01:12:04,440 --> 01:12:07,320
I got to switch to this dip
there we go so you see on your

1445
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:12,640
screen now just had that just.
Had that built spent two months

1446
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:16,840
when my when my web designer
like redoing my website yeah so

1447
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:20,000
just Joe dot.
Com is a is is takes you to his

1448
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:22,920
his website, which then will
take you to everything, correct?

1449
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:24,800
Yeah, it'll take you to
everything.

1450
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,440
And really showcase, like, what
I'm doing now.

1451
01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:31,160
And also you can find me live.
You can find all my social media

1452
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,000
that way.
Yeah.

1453
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,160
It's just there's a lot going on
right now.

1454
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:38,000
Like, I spent my entire day in
here yesterday.

1455
01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:40,640
I had to do a track for a guy in
Poland.

1456
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:43,920
I sang on his song.
So I made my money for the day

1457
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,000
yesterday.
And then I tore apart my whole

1458
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:50,040
studio and put it back together
to get it ready for streaming

1459
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:56,880
again and more content creation
and also meeting clients here

1460
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,520
for artist mentorship that are
people in the area.

1461
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,400
Yeah, I just been.
And I'm just, I want to be home

1462
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,160
a little bit more just because I
can.

1463
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:09,480
I see where the business is
going.

1464
01:13:09,480 --> 01:13:11,760
And I'm only going to play the
places that I truly enjoy.

1465
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,320
I don't want to be home a little
bit more of my daughter's 12.

1466
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,400
And before I know it, she's
going to be graduated and gone.

1467
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:19,840
And I don't want to miss.
I don't want to miss these

1468
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,440
teenage years that are so
freaking important.

1469
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:25,440
They're all important.
But these years go by super fast

1470
01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:28,920
and a lot more happens and I
just want to be more present for

1471
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:34,440
her because I see too many of my
musician friends get so wrapped

1472
01:13:34,440 --> 01:13:36,800
up and playing shows and being
gone all the time.

1473
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:41,200
They miss these connections with
their their their kids and also

1474
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:44,120
the cultivate my relation, my
relationship, my girlfriend to

1475
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,760
make sure that I I stay on top
of that because I've been

1476
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:50,440
married and divorced twice and a
lot of the factors in my there's

1477
01:13:50,440 --> 01:13:53,120
a lot of factors in the divorces
and I don't want to ever speak

1478
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,440
bad about them.
I'm still close to both of my

1479
01:13:55,440 --> 01:13:57,840
ex's.
Is that a big downfall?

1480
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:02,480
Was my was my Musiker and
absolutely watched it.

1481
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,520
Even if you're a local guy, even
if I'm home every night, I'm

1482
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,800
still gone every night.
Hey, we want to go do something

1483
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:09,960
this weekend.
I can't.

1484
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:14,480
I gotta play gigs.
Yeah, Nikki never wanted us to

1485
01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:17,120
do New Year's Eve gigs because
she she had this thing.

1486
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:20,920
Nikki is my wife 31 years that
if if at midnight you're

1487
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:22,760
supposed to, whatever you do at
midnight is what you're doing

1488
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:24,440
for the rest of the year.
So if I'm not doing my wife at

1489
01:14:24,440 --> 01:14:25,520
midnight, what the fuck is going
on?

1490
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,160
Well.
Here's the good.

1491
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:30,720
Thing when I play.
On New Year's Eve, I play at the

1492
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:34,200
big hotel here in Syracuse, and
I play while people are checking

1493
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,520
in.
I play from 4:00 to 6:00 and

1494
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,040
then I and I'm done and I get
New Year's Eve.

1495
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:43,440
I get New Year's Eve money.
Here's the money to play for the

1496
01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:46,240
cocktail hour early in the day
while people are checking in and

1497
01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:48,120
having some drinks.
And then I'm done.

1498
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:51,080
And then, you know, the past
two, the past two years have

1499
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,960
been sober.
So then I go eat a steak dinner

1500
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:59,080
with my girlfriend and and then
we and then and then we just go

1501
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:02,480
watch football and then we go
watch one band at midnight and

1502
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,760
then we go to bed and that's it.
So there you go.

1503
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,120
Hey, so he's just Joe.
Dot com, that's where you can

1504
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:09,960
find him.
We close every we close every

1505
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:11,240
show like this.
If you're feeling sad,

1506
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:13,160
depressed, suicidal, don't do
it.

1507
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,640
Go outside, go run, go scream in
a pillow, go journal.

1508
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:18,720
Find somebody to talk to.
If you can't find somebody to

1509
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,040
talk to, text 988.
Somebody is waiting there to

1510
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:24,200
help you through your struggles.
Tomorrow is a better day with

1511
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:25,760
you in it.
Don't leave a hole in somebody

1512
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,160
else's heart because people do
love you.

1513
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:29,240
People will miss you, and people
do care, even if you don't

1514
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:32,160
realize that.
So again, just joe.com

1515
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:33,320
superhuman.
Dude.

1516
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:36,480
Joe, I'm so glad you got you on.
Yeah, thanks for coming on, man.

1517
01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:37,360
Thanks man.
I hope I.

1518
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:41,480
Covered there's a lot that goes
out of my mind but yeah, if it's

1519
01:15:41,480 --> 01:15:43,400
OK you we're going to have you
back so.

1520
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:45,600
You can talk.
Let's do it anymore.

1521
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,320
Man, don't hop, don't hop off
yet because once we close the

1522
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,320
show, we're going to make sure
all the all our little segments

1523
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:53,040
are uploaded, OK?
For Chris and Mike, this is

1524
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:54,800
Chris and Mike Shogan.
That's just joe.com.

1525
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:56,080
Check them out.
Go watch them live.

1526
01:15:56,440 --> 01:15:59,320
Superhuman great life resume.
It's all about the Rock'n'roll,

1527
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:00,840
brother.
Thanks again.

1528
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:01,720
See you.
Love you.

1529
01:16:01,720 --> 01:17:43,290
Bye.
The.

1530
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:29,840
The.
Creature little plants, man, you

1531
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,800
sure you put on the?
Almighty Day.

1532
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:43,880
You gotta dream who in your life
to keep on soul in every man.

1533
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:50,680
Take the trail behind your eyes.
Feel the soul evolution now.

1534
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:59,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.

1535
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:04,960
Take a moment.
We can see you, see him fight

1536
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:34,600
your family to you.
You gotta, you gotta.

1537
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:37,880
You gotta, you gotta, you gotta.