#146 - Monkeyhouse Guitars - Custom Guitar Builder

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Crazy.
Well, the boys and girls and

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twitchers, Yeah.
Welcome Monkey House Guitars.

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Rock'n'roll, yeah.
That's Mike.

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That's Mike playing Mike.
It's Mike Squared.

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That was that thing we talked
about last episode or with with

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Joe, just Joe from Syracuse, the
space in a song and how cool it

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is for a crowd when you're
jamming out.

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Then all of a sudden everything
just stops.

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And you start right on time.
Right back up, right?

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What those people don't realize
is it's that fascinating for the

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three of us as musicians.
Too.

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Yeah, 'cause then you 'cause
then you hit it.

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You're like, fuck yeah.
Nailed it.

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Magic every time.
Him and I just said at the same

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time, that's the magic.
Nailed it, nailed it.

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So if you're just joining us,
we're live on Twitch and YouTube

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with Mike from Monkey House
Guitars.

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And of course, I'm Chris.
He's Mike.

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This is the Chris and Mike show
coming to you live for what, 20

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four countries now?
24 countries.

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We just picked up Brazil.
Just picked up Brazil, not the

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wax the country.
So I'm going to, I'm going to

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sit back and let you guys geek
out on the building of guitar

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stuff.
Because a lot of the, a lot of

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the stuff that that I try to
book for the show is stuff that

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helps kind of feed into Mike's
desires and love and passion for

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the guitar and, and talking
music and the scales and like,

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you know.
My healthy addictions.

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Right, Yeah, the the theory of
the theory of theory of music

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and all that kind of stuff.
I just like having conversations

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and learning stuff.
And so, you know, you guys just

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kind of do your thing and I'll
interject and I'll learn and

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we'll share and we'll go from
there.

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And I'm going to share your
screen too, at some point in

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time.
So just take it away there, Mike

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and Mike.
All right, yeah, I've been like

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a little kid at Christmas.
So if I get tongue tied, I know

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you might find this hard to
believe as a guitar builder, but

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just the people that you've
built guitars for and the level,

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and we'll talk about this, but
the level you've achieved is the

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same level of success we felt
when Metal Blade came to us and

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when Universal came to Chris.
And you know when labels start

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noticing that something that you
planted the seed for and hope

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that people understood what you
were trying to get across.

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When that happens man, explain
what that feeling's like.

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Honestly.
It's hard to put the words right

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because it's like, wait, what?
Who wants me to build a guitar?

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Yeah, it absolutely is.
And honestly, so I, I've started

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talking to Peter and I think it
was, I want to say like late

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April, early May when I talked.
To him, OK, so, so back it up a

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little bit, tell people who
Peter is, and then I want to

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know how you actually came to
have a conversation with Peter.

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OK.
And that's that's actually a

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really good story how that
happens.

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So.
That's why we're here.

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Yeah, so flashback to 1994 when
Candlebox was out, came out.

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Yeah, that's that's when Mike
and I met man.

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At the show.
Right.

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Yeah.
Literally.

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That album came out and it
literally changed my life.

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Me too, brother.
I had been, I'd been at that

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point, I'd been playing, I
started playing guitar like my

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freshman year in high school and
I I suck.

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I still suck to this day.
I'm horrible at it, but I always

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have the.
Same thing.

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Yeah, but I've always had a
love, just a passion for

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guitars.
Yes, that album came out and I

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would literally sit there, push
play and just try as best I

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could play that whole album all
the way through start to finish,

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you know, just fumble my way
through the fucking song.

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But I'm sure anybody listening,
it probably sounded like shit.

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But that album touched me and it
it, you know, it like a deep

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way, you know, just, it was so
profound.

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So the story with how Peter
Clett and I even got in contact

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with each other.
So we had the family over here

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at my house, we're all sitting
out, hanging out outside, the

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kids are playing in the pool and
shit.

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And my wife and I had decided
that day.

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I don't drink very often at all,
but we decided that day Fucking

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Bloody Mary sounds so good, you
know so.

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Damn right.
Had one that led to another led

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to another, you know, and we're
sitting on the back porch

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enjoying the sun, enjoying the
weather.

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We had music playing it just it
was a great day.

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It was just perfect day.
And I'm probably 5 or 6 Bloody

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Marys deep at this point,
feeling no pain, you know, and

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candle box thong comes on right?
And like, Oh, fucking love this

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band.
I haven't listened to them in so

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long, you know, but it I was
just like, oh, and just sat.

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There.
Yeah, exactly.

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Just basking in it and, and
sitting there next to my wife,

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just listen to the song.
And I was like, you know what,

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what would be awesome, what
would just literally be like

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bucket list is to build a car
for Peter Clay.

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That would be fucking amazing.
I could die at that point, you

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know.
And so a couple more drinks, a

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little more liquid courage, and
I'm like, I wonder if he's on

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Facebook, I'm going to look him
up.

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No, you know, so I look him up
and let it.

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There's his personal Facebook
page, the same.

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Way Chris found you, Yeah.
Yeah, so I, so I just send him a

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friend request and send him a
message, you know, explaining

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who I am, what I do.
And, you know, I was like, your

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music is literally part of my
DNA.

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It's in my blood, you know, and
I was like, if you would allow

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me to, I would love to build you
a guitar.

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I was like, I don't want any
money from you.

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It's not a scam.
I don't want anything from you.

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I just want to build you a
guitar, you know that's.

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So cool.
Send.

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You know, I was like, I'm going
to shoot my shot.

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He's probably going to deny the
friend request and not even read

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the message.
But I tried, you know?

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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And this was a Sunday evening
and I get up Monday morning, get

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to work, check my phone, and
I've got a message from Peter

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Klatt.
And I was like, holy shit.

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You know, And he's like, hey,
thanks for the kind words, blah,

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blah, blah.
This guitar thing really sounds

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interesting.
I'd, I'd like to talk to you

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more about it.
And I'm like crawling out of my

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skin, you know?
I'm like, Oh my God, fucking

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Peter Klatt, you know, like,
holy.

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Shit.
Going crazy I was.

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Just now, let me ask you one
question at this point.

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Yeah.
How much of A social media

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presence did you have at the
time for him to do any kind of

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research on you?
Honestly, I don't know that he

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did any research on me.
I'm sure he probably did some,

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but not a lot because he didn't
even.

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He didn't even start following
my page until after he had the

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first guitar.
That's crazy.

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Yeah, yeah.
So it wasn't like, I don't know

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honestly, that that'd be a good
question for him because y'all

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are going to get him on your
show.

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It's you're.
Going to help us do that, right?

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Absolutely, absolutely.
I'll talk to him and be like.

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Hey, he's one of my heroes.
Dude, yeah, that would be

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fantastic.
That would be dude, that that

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would be our moment of like,
holy shit.

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Because really, Mike can MM and
I's entire the reason Mike and I

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know each other is because the
candle box.

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I mean, we're at a we're we're
at a we're at a venue with what,

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2500 people?
And I just happen to be

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standing.
And he'll remember this show

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because the power went out.
Yeah, for about what, 15

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minutes?
Now where was that at?

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Where was that show at?
The electric ballroom in Tempe,

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AZ, right down the road from
ASU.

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No, yeah.
Yeah, Chris, I ended up opening

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up for the Marshall Tucker Band
there, maybe, I don't know, six

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months later after that show.
But imagine, imagine how the

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world works if I didn't go to
that show.

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If Mike didn't go to that show
by himself, mind you, and I'm

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not standing behind him singing
along with Kevin Martin the

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entire time.
We told the story before.

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So the short version, Mike kept
looking back at me and I'm like,

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who's this motherfucker staring
me down?

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And then I'm just rocking out.
And then when the power goes

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out, he busts out this business,
right?

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But he busts out this business
card.

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He's like, I'm in a band.
I'm looking for a singer.

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And I was like, oh shit,
alright.

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And here we are, 30 some odd
years later.

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Yeah.
Right Doc has a candy box.

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Show how crazy.
Yeah, exactly so.

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Cedar touched all of our lives,
yeah.

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Yeah.
It's crazy.

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So like when he thinks about
what I'm sure he doesn't,

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Everybody has this moment.
What have I done with my life,

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right?
Right.

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When you hear from somebody so
far removed as the three of us,

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think about how many other
people are in that boat where

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those first few albums from
Candlebox really did change a

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lot of life.
A burner man.

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And yeah, Lucy.
And so that that's something

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funny because Kevin Martin said
something to the effect of that.

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He hates that album that he he
didn't like it.

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And to me, I'm like, dude, that
album won.

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It was an amazing, amazing
album, but it was like it was a

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vibe.
It it was that album to me is

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like a moment in time.
That's a it was a vibe.

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Oh, it was it was so ahead of
its time.

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And so it just, it was fucking
amazing.

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And I'm like, I wish you could
listen to that album that you

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hate through somebody else of
the years, you know, and, and

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just appreciate it the way
somebody else does.

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Because to me, and I think all
three of us at that time had the

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same thought, what are they
going to fought this, their

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debut album is one of the
greatest debut albums of all

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time in my.
Ever.

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Yeah.
And I was like, how do you

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follow that up, right?
And then as a guitar player,

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Peter took it to the next level.
Absolutely.

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He was like, here's what I'm
going to do, right?

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You know, right.
Because to me, it was that

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sophomore, you know, you, you'd
think about that sophomore

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slump.
There's actually was a

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graduated.
Level.

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Absolutely.
Here's what we're.

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Yeah, if, if you can, if you can
fathom stepping it up a notch

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from that first album, you know,
which is just that had to have

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been such a monumental feat to
be like, OK, we've got to top

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that somehow.
Yeah.

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Yeah, right.
But so, yeah, how how you were

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saying it's funny how things
circle around and come around.

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So it was I, I want to say it
was like 24 hours before, like

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the day before I had texted
Peter.

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So it would have been that sad
Friday or Saturday of that

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weekend.
A guy that lives and Pete lives

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in Florida, a guy that he's
friends with had talked to Peter

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and he's like, hey, this buddy
of mine owns this company and

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they make guitar pickups.
I want to introduce you so Peter

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and this guy Jeff Richards meet
each other.

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Jeff runs Carondelet pickups
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I just started following them
too after I saw your.

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Yeah, and Jeff, same way, huge
fan of Candlebox and he's

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talking with Pete and like, man,
I want, I want to give you a set

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of my pickups so you can try
them out and play them.

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And Peter's like, dude, I would
love to take a set of your

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pickups, but I don't have a
guitar to put them in.

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You know, I'm not touching any
of my vintage shit.

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I'm not, I'm not putting those
in any of my existing guitars.

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I don't have one to put them in.
If something comes along to

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where I've got a guitar to put
them in, then you know, I'd, I

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would love to try them out for
you.

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And so when I was having a
conversation with Jeff and he

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walks away from that kind of
just, you know, deflated, like,

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oh man, I just met this guy and
I want, I wanted him to have a

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set of my pickup so bad.
And then 24 hours later, it's

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getting a hold of him again,
like, hey, some dude in Kansas

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is building me a guitar.
Do you want to put your pickups

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in it, You know?
And so Jeff was like, it was

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like the skies, the skies just
opened up and the stars align

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just right.
And the timing just couldn't

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have been more perfect on any of
it, you know?

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Especially for I, I would
imagine, you know, when he's

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sitting here, he'll say the same
thing in reverse, that as much

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as he fell in love with that
guitar, it the timing was right

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for him too, right?
He got an instrument.

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I have one behind me that I tell
Chris all the time.

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It's a Charvel STX Custom.
It's probably like an 89 or 90

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if I had to guess.
That thing can do things that

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any other guitar I've ever
picked up just can't.

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It's a special piece of wood
connected to a special neck,

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right?
There's just something special

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about it.
It's got that it quality.

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Right, right.
I think that's what that guitar

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that you built for him for
surely turned into for Peter

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because every photo I see with
him lately, he's playing your

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guitar.
So, yeah, and.

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That's why I was so excited to
talk to you for.

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Sure.
And and that was honestly that

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was the part that blew me away
more than him getting a hold of

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me or answering, you know,
responding to me and saying,

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yeah, build me one and building
it and meeting him and giving it

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to him.
That part was cool, but the so

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I, I gave that to him.
We, we drove down to Oklahoma,

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delivered it to him, got to hang
out with them, see the show, and

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then two days later he met up
with Jet Jeff from Karatella and

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got the pickup swapped out and
it was so funny so.

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What did you have in there?
It had a set of Guitar Marie

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pickups in it that were they
were supposed to be wound to Tim

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Shaw Vintage Tim Shaw specs.
And as soon as Peter plugged it

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in, started playing it, he's
like, oh man, these pickups are

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too bright.
You know, I need I need them to

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be darker da, da, da.
So then I was kind of you know,

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and so two days later they're in
Louisiana and he messages me

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that morning and he's like, Hey,
I wanted to want to talk with

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you about this.
I don't want to step on your

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toes or anything, but I've got
this guy here that wants to put

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a put different set of pickups
into this guitar.

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Is it cool with you if I have
him swap the pickups out?

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You know, like, I don't want to
hurt your feelings, but I want

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to get, I want to play this
thing every night.

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And I was like, holy shit, yeah,
do whatever you want to do.

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You know, I don't if you want to
play it every night, I don't

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give a shit what you do to it.
So.

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Now, let let me ask you this
real quick.

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Yeah, as a luthier, which is
what a guitar builder is called,

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right?
So now we're flipping over into

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your workshop.
All right, are luthiers that

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concerned about the pickups?
Is that is important as the

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shape, the build, the piece of
wood and you're like, in your

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experience, I I know with this
situation, you know, he's such a

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great guitar player and has
spoke to us all.

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It's like whatever you need to
do to be you, that's what we

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want, right?
Right.

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But on the you know, on the
average, are the pickups that

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important to the builder?
To to me, no.

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And that's what I picked up on.
So I want to know, like your

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peers, your colleagues, you
know, I don't know a lot of

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people who build actually.
You're the only person that

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builds builds.
Guitars, let's be honest.

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Right.
And I hate, I hate using the

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term luthier or like being
described as a luthier because

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I've, I feel like a luthier is
someone who's gone to school and

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studied and studied under
someone and learned the craft

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over years, you know, and, and
really put a lot of schooling

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and work into it.
I've started doing this shit as

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a challenge to myself just to
see if I could do it, you know,

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and.
Here's here's what I'm going to

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say about that.
I I know what you're saying and

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I would feel the same way
because Chris has complimented

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me the whole time we've been
together for being a humble

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musician, right?
And I try and be that way for

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sure.
But the master, Eddie Van Halen

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himself, who was also a guitar
builder and a player, right,

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said it does.
It doesn't matter how you get

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there.
You got there, right?

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Somebody who everybody in the
rock world knows who Peter Clutt

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is of camera blocks, right?
So you built a guitar that spoke

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to him so much that he wants to
play it every night.

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I would say it doesn't matter
how you got there, you got

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there.
Right, right.

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Right.
I told you online and I'm

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telling you now to the world.
Kudos, man.

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That's so cool.
Absolutely.

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Thank you.
And that that's been like the,

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the biggest compliment towards
my work that I ever could have

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received was the fact that, like
you said, every single show

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since he, since he got that
guitar, he's played.

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It and this is the this, this is
the guitar that this is the

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guitar I'm sharing, correct?
Yeah, yeah, that's the right one

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right there.
That was right after we got

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there.
That was them doing sound check

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right after I delivered it.
My wife hates that picture.

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She's all blurry in it.
To rock'n'roll, man, that's and

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I, I was at that concert in
Arizona when they, when they

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played in Arizona before with
Three Doors Down opening up.

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That was a phenomenal show.
Yeah, yeah.

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Oh, they.
Still sound great.

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Oh.
You you watch them now playing,

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playing their shows on this
reunion tour and those guys have

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not missed a beat in 30.
No, no, there's always that.

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And from a vocal, a singer
standpoint, because as a singer,

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I look at the singers he was he
was lights out, man.

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He hit the shit that I was like
I was I was sitting in there

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like, come on.
I was just waiting for the hit,

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waiting for the note and I'm
like, look about what?

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Damn, he hit the.
Note that's.

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Awesome.
Yeah, they're they're too

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amazing.
Still, they are.

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Absolutely.
Yeah, incredible.

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It's almost better because it's
more relaxed.

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Right.
Yes.

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You know, they, they know where
the groove is now.

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But that's me being nervous as
hell.

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That's a great picture, man, is.
I love it.

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My wife loved when we went on
that trip and went to deliver

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that guitar.
That whole day leading up to

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that, she's like, I love this
because you're nervous like a

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school kid right now, you know,
like you're.

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That's how I felt talking to you
today, dude.

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You did Mike was Mike was all
excited about you come when I

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told Mike I got you on the show,
I mean, and not a bad thing, but

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he just he couldn't shut up
about it.

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Like like we, we would talk, you
know, and then we were like, oh,

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the next show's coming up and
then we had somebody was

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supposed to come on.
They couldn't come on and then

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we ended up doing we, we were
late, just Joe was late.

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So then we were I was going on
the list of who is coming on.

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He's like, Oh yeah, Monkey House
guitars.

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So.
You know it's but it's it's cool

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though, dude, because that's the
thing.

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It's that's.
What's the thing I love most in

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the world?
Just like we're going to be

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kindred spirits there, right?
I've been playing guitars since

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we were young kids, so.
And that's the whole point of

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this man.
It's connecting and, and, you

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know, learning and then you
know, so keep talking.

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I'm enjoying the, I'm enjoying
the conversation.

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No, man, talk to us about go.
I didn't know you got to go

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deliver the guitar to him and
have that experience.

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You know that's.
Cool, yeah.

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Go through that and then what
happened from there?

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So that was getting there.
We we drove down there, got

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checked into our hotel room.
Pete had texted and was like,

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hey, sound check starting here
like in 20 minutes or something.

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Go ahead and come to the venue.
Da da da.

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One of our security guys will
show you, man, all that, you

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know this shit.
And so we walking through this

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hotel and casino carrying a
guitar in a case, you know, and

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by that point, you know, there's
people lining up at the box

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office to buy tickets.
And the dude like sees us, Hey,

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come on through and waves us
past every we walk right past

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him and he walks us in and I'll
come this way.

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I'll, I'll take you down there
and opens the door and you're

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looking down into the venue and
they're all on stage right now

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doing sound check, you know, and
I was just like, Oh my God, you

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know, like this really
happening.

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Holy shit.
And we're walking down the aisle

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to go towards the stage and one
of the guys on the stage into a

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microphone goes, Hey, Pete, your
guitar is here.

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I was just like, oh shit, you
know, and.

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Just got real.
Yeah, And walk up on stage, meet

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him, shake his hand, get to meet
everybody.

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And he's like, you know, like
Christmas, you know, like, I

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can't wait to see this, you
know, takes it out and it's

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like, Oh my God, you know,
checking it out, hands it off to

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his tech.
He's like, take the wireless and

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the other shit off my Les Paul
and put it on there.

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I want to play it, you know, and
I'm just geeking out so hard.

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What was it like when you heard
it played through a real rig for

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the first time like that?
Fucking amazing.

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I can't imagine dude.
I did I post.

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I think I posted a video of them
doing one song with that guitar

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during sound check, but hearing
it played through that rig in

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his hands was a fucking
religious experience.

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You know I bet, I bet because
that's your baby, man.

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Oh my God, I literally, I stood
there recording him playing

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while they're playing it and
almost had tears in my eyes, you

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know?
Just like I cannot believe this

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is fucking happening, you know?
Yeah, when I'm real, when I told

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you kudos, man, I meant it on
that level, you know, because

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Chris and I have played at that
level, right?

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When those people are there and
they're there to see your

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creation, or in your case, to
use your creation to see theirs

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to fruition, that's a whole
nother level.

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It just is.
It was.

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It was unreal.
When I said the Charvel will do

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things for me that no other
guitars done, that's what I

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mean.
When he heard yours played

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through his rig, his all those
synapses in his brain lit up on

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a different level, right?
He's like, that's what I was

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looking to hear.
Right.

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And that gives me goosebumps
thinking about it, because I've

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played those guitars.
I know what that feeling's like,

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man.
Yeah, it's just it is a

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religious experience.
I've always said music is my

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religion.
I don't mean that to hurt

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people's feelings.
I mean that's what makes me me,

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right?
It took me a long time to figure

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that out, but that's what it is.
It's just I use it to make

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myself peaceful, right?
Right.

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Absolutely keeps.
Keeps me sane, you know?

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And that's what he heard.
You know, you met his needs.

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And it's when I heard or when I
read that and I saw that video

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you're talking about, that was
what was going through my mind.

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I'm like, how cool for somebody
I've never heard of to have

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built a guitar for somebody that
I've idolized since, like you

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said, 1994.
As a composer, as somebody who

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had a tone I fell in love with
his clean tone was so.

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Outstanding.
Anybody can have a distorted

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tone, and there's good distorted
tones and bad distorted tones

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there are, right?
Because some of them great on my

447
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,480
nerves.
But his clean tone, and that's

448
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,480
the one that will always get you
in trouble, right, is one of the

449
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,040
most perfect clean tones in the
history of the world.

450
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,840
And my, oh, it is.
It's so beautiful.

451
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:37,160
So just gnarling, you know?
So when you said that those

452
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,400
pickups were too bright for him,
yeah, I can almost kind of

453
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,600
picture what he was saying
because his top end is very

454
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,760
subtle and that's what I love
about it.

455
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,920
Yeah, and that's once he, once
he got those Carondelet pickups

456
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,880
in it, they played.
So they played a show that night

457
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,840
and then I think they played one
more and then they had a break

458
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:06,200
for like a week or two.
And then they were going to play

459
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:13,280
a show in Syracuse, NY And the
day of that show, it was like

460
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,040
late morning, early afternoon.
I had texted him and was just

461
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,800
like, hey, saw you guys are
playing in New York tonight.

462
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,320
I was curious if you brought my
guitar with you, if you're going

463
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,600
to be playing it.
Because if so, I'm going to be

464
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,360
like, scouring the Internet
tomorrow for pictures and

465
00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:32,080
videos.
I want to see it, you know, if

466
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,920
you brought it with you.
And so, dude, he traveled from

467
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,640
Florida to New York to play this
one show.

468
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,720
And he texts me back and he
says, yeah, that's the only

469
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,320
guitar I brought.
That's so.

470
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,720
Cool, man.
Oh, dude, I my heart dropped.

471
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:51,320
I was like, holy shit.
You know, like you left your Les

472
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,800
Paul at home, You know, Right?
That would be like, so that

473
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,160
would be like the equivalent of
me telling you I left the

474
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,440
Charvel, right?
The one guitar I know I can play

475
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,360
and always be successful even on
my bad days, right?

476
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,080
That that's what he counted on
from you, right.

477
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,960
To put it into perspective, for
people who are not a musician,

478
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,640
who are just listening to us
geek out about music, and

479
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,840
they're like, what are they
talking about This.

480
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,240
He brought one guitar.
And for a professional musician,

481
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,880
that's all you have.
You get one chance.

482
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,200
So yeah, yeah.
And I was like, I, as weird as

483
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,880
it was, I was so stressed out
that day after he told me that,

484
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,840
I was like, Oh my God, what if
something goes wrong?

485
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,360
What if what if something goes
wrong with it or it fucks up?

486
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:37,800
That's all on me, you know.
And this, this is his guitar,

487
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:38,480
right?
No.

488
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,200
So that one that you've got
pulled up there, that one is for

489
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,760
Davy French of Everclear.
Oh, OK, 'cause it looked like

490
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:46,360
it.
I'm I'm sorry.

491
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:49,680
Yeah, yeah, Davey and and Pete's
first one are real similar.

492
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:55,600
There's subtle differences, the
inlays, gold hardware, that kind

493
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,360
of shit.
Yeah, I told Chris before we

494
00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:00,760
started.
He was another person that you

495
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,720
had built a guitar for and the
other guitar player wanted one

496
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:04,400
as well.
Right.

497
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,480
Yeah, so our Alex Akus, I'm
getting ready to start building

498
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,440
1 for him also.
I can't remember his name for

499
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,120
some reason.
Yeah, practically, it's hard to

500
00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:13,320
say.
Yeah, so I'm.

501
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,120
Just I'm just, I'm just pimping
your product.

502
00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:16,000
What are you guys are talking,
man?

503
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,240
Absolutely.
Yeah, great pictures.

504
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,640
Dude, yeah, no.
So this is this is Peters.

505
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,880
That's Davies.
It's got the gold hardware

506
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,680
Peters has OK Chrome hardware.
Yeah, that's Davies.

507
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,920
So how and how that came about
with Davey.

508
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,200
Davey and Peter grew up
together, went to high school

509
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,960
together and shit.
So they've shown another since

510
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:44,800
they were kids.
And so after meeting Peter

511
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,560
getting the guitar delivered in
Oklahoma, we were driving home

512
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,720
the next day and my wife and I
are in the car and she's like Oh

513
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,160
my God.
Peter Collect just made a post

514
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,280
on his Facebook about your
guitar, you know, and we're,

515
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,840
we've, we've got 4 hours of Hwy.
ahead of us and I'm like, we'll

516
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,920
keep checking his post because I
guarantee you he's friends with

517
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,240
other guitarists.
He's friends with other famous

518
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:09,800
guitarists.
For sure.

519
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,160
Yeah, so the whole time she she
keeps checking that post, OK,

520
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,800
This person liked it.
This person commented on it.

521
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:19,160
And you know, she's like pulling
them up and, well, Davey.

522
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,560
I'm sure my name came up in that
conversation, yeah.

523
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,080
Yeah, right.
But, you know, and she's like

524
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,160
Davey French liked it and was
like, man, I need one of those.

525
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,960
And I was like, that's the dude
from fucking Everclear, you

526
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,640
know, so so we get home.
I think honestly, I don't even

527
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,040
think we made it home.
I think we stopped for gas.

528
00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:41,040
And so I pulled up Dave, sent
him a friend request and you

529
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,200
know, I commented on replied to
his comment and I was like, hey,

530
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,640
I know a guy you know, and by
the.

531
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,400
Time we get back home.
I'm friends with messaging.

532
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,840
Me like, hey, let's, let's talk
about this.

533
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,000
You know, I, I, I love that.
I want one of those.

534
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,200
And I was like, fuck, yeah.
So he's sending me.

535
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,600
So here's a question here.
Here's here's a question.

536
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,720
I'm interrupt you, but but
because I you know, and a part

537
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,040
of my ignorance, right?
Because I'm just a singer, OK,

538
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,520
Guitar makers are diamond,
they're rock'n'roll band Rhino.

539
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,080
But but I mean anybody, I'm not
going to say anybody can make it

540
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,880
to car.
But guitar builders, there's a

541
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,440
ton of guitar builders in the
world, right?

542
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,280
Right, right.
OK, so, so so what's making

543
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,280
Monkey House guitars stand out
to the fact that you have Peter

544
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,160
from Candlebox and then David
from Everclare.

545
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,880
I'm sure there's more that that
are are going to start, you

546
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,440
know, knocking on your door to
get guitars made because again,

547
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,640
this is Peter from Candlebox
right now.

548
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,200
A sound check, as he alluded to
earlier in this conversation,

549
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,760
that's the only guitar he took
to his show.

550
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,080
So what is it that makes your
guitars different, Mike?

551
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,080
That these musicians are
literally just looking at it

552
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,440
being like, I want this.
Right, that's a bad.

553
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,720
Question.
That is a damn good question.

554
00:29:53,720 --> 00:30:03,360
I wish I had an answer to it.
Is it somewhere between you have

555
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,840
the skill, the passion, and the
luck of the stars all aligned at

556
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,240
the right time?
I, I think it's got to be that

557
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,600
and I feel like it's, it's yeah,
just luck and everything

558
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,640
aligned.
Just riot.

559
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,600
I think a better way to ask
Chris's question is, in your

560
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,280
opinion, what do you do?
Because you have to do something

561
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,720
differently.
I don't want you to divulge your

562
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,440
trade secrets Like we always
tell authors, don't give your

563
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,080
book away, but right, Right.
And and you, you wouldn't

564
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,800
anyway.
But you know, kind of in your

565
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,600
own words, answer his question
because I'm curious too.

566
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,240
What do you think you do
differently?

567
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:46,040
So honestly, I, I feel like, and
so there's one, one other guy,

568
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,440
he's a customer of mine.
He he owns two of my guitars

569
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,600
right now.
He's gotten a hold of me,

570
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,880
consigned a build.
He's got two of them.

571
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,480
And here pretty soon, Peter and
that guy are going to be the

572
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,160
only two people on the planet
that have more than one of my

573
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:11,400
guitars.
That guy commented on on one of

574
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:12,640
my posts.
I can't remember which one it

575
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:17,640
was, I think it was a post about
art from Everclear wanting one

576
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,040
of my guitars and why he loved
it.

577
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,120
Might have been one about Peter,
I'm not sure, but he commented

578
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,520
on it and was like, I'm pretty
sure it's the neck.

579
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,960
And that's the only thing I can
figure because anyone that's.

580
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,400
What I noticed, that's what I
wanted to hear you say.

581
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,480
Like like you said, to a degree
anybody can build a guitar,

582
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,520
right?
Building a neck is kind of a

583
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:47,760
whole animal in and of itself,
but hand carving a neck gives.

584
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,840
It a oh, you hand carve it.
Yeah, yeah, every.

585
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,680
Building was fucking from
scratch man.

586
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,840
Every single thing is from
scratch.

587
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,320
So my let me show you real
quick.

588
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,560
Absolutely.
Lesson in guitar building,

589
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:03,680
ladies and gentlemen.
Yeah, buddy.

590
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,680
So my my necks literally start
off like this.

591
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,520
That would be so lost I wouldn't
even know where to.

592
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:14,760
Start.
Yeah, that's a good.

593
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,240
It's going to be a guitar net,
but that's.

594
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:22,040
Yeah.
So everything is 100% from

595
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:27,840
scratch, you know, and that's
the only thing I can figure that

596
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,640
when somebody of Peter's caliber
gets it in their hands and Peter

597
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,520
even commented on the net a
couple.

598
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,960
Times that's what I wanted to
hear you say, because that's the

599
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,840
only thing that's going to sway
me too, because that's the magic

600
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,280
of this Charvel, right?
I know as a builder you're going

601
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,880
to pick the right piece of wood.
That's the other thing Chris

602
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,560
getting a custom built guitar is
he goes out and he looks at

603
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,080
every piece of wood until he
sees the one that he wants.

604
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,160
He knows how that piece of
wood's going to sound after he

605
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,000
bouncing.
Out into the car shape, right,

606
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:00,440
right.
So.

607
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,160
So, so, so just so I can put in
people's perspectives.

608
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,960
Kind of like Roy Hobbs when his
dad cut down the oak tree and

609
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,920
then he found the piece of oak
to make the bat.

610
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,760
Yes, right.
Absolutely.

611
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,360
Right, so that was that was Roy
Hobbs bat that that he used and

612
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:15,800
light.
I think he called it lightning

613
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,680
boy or something right until
that until he hit that home run

614
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,560
and it broke and all chaos
ensued.

615
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,640
That's the Robert Redford.
Movie same.

616
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,120
Yes.
Good job, Yeah.

617
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,440
The natural.
I was waiting.

618
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,520
I was.
Waiting I I speak in television

619
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,960
movie euphemisms sometimes and
it takes people a minute.

620
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,760
We talked about the Gallagher
family from Chicago one time and

621
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,800
the guest was like.
No, he you got me for a minute

622
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,120
on that.
Yeah, I followed the story all

623
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,560
the way down.
But that's but that's why I

624
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,800
mean, that's a great example
though, because there is a wood

625
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,600
of the baseball bat was was the
the best piece of wood he could

626
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,920
find for that bat to sustain
him, you know, in the movie

627
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,560
anyway.
So that's bad.

628
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,320
That's that's pretty legit dude.
That you that you I can see now

629
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,000
that's an that's an that would
be an appeal.

630
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,080
Like I had a microphone stand
that I had a drummer make in my

631
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,080
he's my second drummer ever.
And it it kind of, it's hard to

632
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,600
explain because it broke, but.
The bottom.

633
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,639
Of it, the bottom of it were
Raven's claws.

634
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:12,600
He drew me a tattoo, but it's
kind of hard to see it now, but

635
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,159
my arm was put, he put my arm in
resin, so it went like this, OK.

636
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,080
And you could see as I would, as
the mic stand, this comes up and

637
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,679
I had the microphone held in
that hand right there on stage.

638
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,080
You could see the veins and the
muscle going up to the

639
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,320
microphone.
Oh.

640
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:31,880
Yeah.
Yeah, it was.

641
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,880
And it was before anybody had
mic stands.

642
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,360
He did it.
He was an art student ASU, Neil

643
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,400
Sands.
Thank you, Neil, art student

644
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,080
ASU.
And he had a project he had to

645
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,719
do that was not using the
typical type stuff.

646
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,760
So he's like, hey, dude, can I
let's make you a mic stand?

647
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,000
Because I just released this
thing called Welcome to My Mind.

648
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,520
And he really dug the stuff that
was in there.

649
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,080
And so the bottom of it were
Raven's claws going up to this

650
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,280
weird twisted knot.
This thing weighed like 30 lbs.

651
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,080
Oh wow.
And then my, my arm picked it up

652
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,640
on the top and like, legit, I
would stand on stage like this

653
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,720
holding my own hand with the
microphone.

654
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,520
My foot would fit underneath the
raven's claws so I could rock

655
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,080
it, you know?
Either way, it was, it was

656
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,160
fucking.
It was amazing.

657
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,400
That's insane.
Yeah, it was so.

658
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:21,640
Cool.
Shit on it broke it anyway, but

659
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,920
yeah, so that so but see that
appealed to me because it was

660
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,280
cool and then that was a a
conversation piece when we

661
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,400
played out.
So if if that's one of the

662
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,640
allure that people have is
because you hand make this shit

663
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,080
hand carve it.
Oh for sure.

664
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,400
That's dude, that's badass and
that's.

665
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,880
Like going full circle back to,
you know, after Chris and I met

666
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,840
at the candle box show, we went
on to have some old fuck moments

667
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,320
where we opened up for the
Marshall Tucker Band.

668
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,160
We had, I don't know, I don't
even know how many times we

669
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,800
opened up for sacred, right?
They loved us.

670
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:53,520
I.
Don't.

671
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,760
I don't know.
Their rhythm guitar player ran

672
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,560
sound for us at the Mason jar in
Phoenix, which was super cool.

673
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:05,160
So, you know, like these moments
led to more moments that Chris

674
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,920
and I were able to, you know, we
opened up for Pat Travers 7

675
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:15,600
Dust, Tony McAlpine enough's
enough belly guns just.

676
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,480
Yeah, because we, we, we hit the
same time.

677
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,360
Within two years of us doing our
thing, Creed took off.

678
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,320
So we were in the Tempe sound of
the time when when I used to say

679
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,400
it on stage, if you came for
Tempe Jingle Jingle sound,

680
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,480
you're in the wrong place.
We were just playing straight

681
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,800
ahead Rock'n'roll again like
Candy Box was.

682
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,800
And we could play, yeah, and we
could play with anybody.

683
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,160
It didn't matter.
We got booked.

684
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:45,360
I shaved my head and they booked
us for a Skinhead show and you

685
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,680
know, it worked it.
Worked.

686
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,000
But it was so far from our
ideology.

687
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:54,800
But it's the music, right?
Yeah.

688
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,000
So that's the thing.
It doesn't matter who is up and

689
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,320
down the radio dial.
We could play with them because

690
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,760
our music was so diverse and
unique and original.

691
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,920
The only cover we did, we did 2
Roadhouse Blues and Mike did

692
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,160
Catch Scratch Fever.
Aside from that, it was all

693
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:10,840
original.
Right, right.

694
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:13,920
So that was a cool thing about
it, you know, And we knew how to

695
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,520
work the crowd.
And, you know, we came out and

696
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,680
played three songs without me
saying a word to the crowd.

697
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,240
And afterwards, just kind of
like, it's like, hey, hey, you

698
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:23,480
know, how's everybody doing
tonight?

699
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,840
And they're just like, what the
fuck is this?

700
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,200
Right, right.
You didn't expect it when you

701
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,800
had the refreshments in the gym
Blossoms coming out of Arizona.

702
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,920
You weren't expecting a band
like us to step up on stage.

703
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,320
I just.
Thought people were ready for

704
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,880
rock'n'roll again.
And after the success of

705
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,960
Candlebox and after the success
of Creed, because I don't,

706
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,720
Candlebox got lumped into
Seattle because that's where

707
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:46,960
they were from at the right,
right, right, true, true.

708
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,520
They were just a straight ahead
rock'n'roll band.

709
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,520
When you hear Arrow, it beats
you over the head like we

710
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,320
intended for our opening song to
do.

711
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,600
When you hear Freeman, that was
our intention was just a beat

712
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,400
you over the head for what, 3
minutes, right?

713
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,480
Right.
Two minutes and 58 seconds,

714
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,120
right?
Like, let's just kick their ass

715
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,440
for three.
But they, but they were so much

716
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,880
different at the time than
everything else that was coming

717
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,280
out of Seattle.
Yeah, it was.

718
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,440
It was apples and oranges, you
know.

719
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,960
Absolutely, but they were able
to pull that perfection off

720
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,360
live.
That's what blew me away when I

721
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,800
went and saw him at my fucking
jaw was on the ground.

722
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,480
I'm like, there was no, I'm
you're waiting for the

723
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,240
imperfections.
That's what I always say about

724
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:30,240
ACDC.
If you've never seen them, I

725
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:33,000
always say for two straight
hours or 2 1/2 hours, if that

726
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,520
band made a mistake, I never
heard it.

727
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,040
Right, right, right.
That was candle box for me at

728
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,720
that show that Chris and I went
and then that.

729
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:41,400
And that's how they are still
today.

730
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,520
It's unreal.
They're so tight.

731
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:46,160
Yeah, you don't lose that for
sure.

732
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:54,520
Yeah.
Yeah, well, we have to still

733
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,520
talk.
There's you guys have more

734
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:56,880
things to discuss.
Oh, for sure.

735
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,120
No minutes.
I don't.

736
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,400
Well, there's a law, so.
OK, so.

737
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,160
So we got Peter Clit from from
from Peter Clatt.

738
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,640
Sorry.
Yeah, we got to talk about.

739
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,240
Everett, I'm just sure I said
Clint on the show.

740
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:08,360
Clint Clitoris.
No.

741
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:09,760
Peter Clatt.
OK.

742
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,440
And then we have Davey from
Everclear.

743
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:12,280
Yeah.
Who else?

744
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,520
Who else?
Who else?

745
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,840
That we that the world does know
that that you want to share with

746
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,200
us that.
You're building for, I mean that

747
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,480
that's the three big ones would
be Peter and then Davey and then

748
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,040
Art from Everclear and that.
OK.

749
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,920
Getting to getting to build one
for Davey was fucking huge to

750
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,280
me.
You know, I was like, this guy,

751
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:33,520
sure.
He's been, he's been playing

752
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,720
with Everclear for 20 years, you
know, Yeah, like, holy shit.

753
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:42,600
And the dude is yeah.
One, just such a amazing human

754
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:47,320
being, such a just down to
earth, such a great guy, you

755
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,920
know, and two, he's such a
goddamn talented guitarist.

756
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,080
It's.
Absolutely.

757
00:39:52,160 --> 00:40:01,440
Insane but for me and I, I don't
want to downplay the excitement

758
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:06,680
of building 1 for Davey, but I
knew in getting to go.

759
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,640
Delivered because I drove to
Denver to deliver that one to

760
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,360
him and getting to do that and
meet him, I was going to get to

761
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:18,520
meet Art also, Right, Right.
So a couple times during Davey

762
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,600
and I's conversation, you know,
like, hey, your guitar is almost

763
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,520
done, you know, blah, blah,
blah.

764
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,800
And he's like, yeah, Art is
really excited to see some

765
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,040
pictures of it.
He might want 1, you know, and

766
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:38,440
I'm like, fuck yeah, you know.
And so he, you know, he's like,

767
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,240
he, he wants to wait until, you
know, you get here and he gets

768
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:45,640
it in his hands, gets to see it,
gets to play it and feel it, you

769
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,920
know, before, before he commits
to anything.

770
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,960
Sure.
So we arrive at that venue in

771
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,520
Denver.
Do we go downstairs, like into

772
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,720
the dressing room first?
They were doing sound check

773
00:40:57,720 --> 00:40:59,320
upstairs or starting sound
check?

774
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,360
They're setting the levels on
the drums and David gets the

775
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,640
guitar out and he plays it
unplugged for just a minute and

776
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,200
it's just like, I've got to get
this upstairs and plug it in,

777
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:12,560
you know?
You know right away as a guitar

778
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,560
player, you know for sure.
I'm like, fuck yeah, I know.

779
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,200
And that's he even said that
he's like, as soon as I played

780
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:23,200
it unplugged, it was so snappy
and it sounded so just exactly

781
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,720
how I wanted it.
I knew I had plugged in and hear

782
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:27,680
it, you know?
Not to interrupt your story, but

783
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,920
real quick, the guy that taught
me to pick out guitars, he

784
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,280
actually taught me to put my ear
up to the guitar so I could hear

785
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,120
how the wood was sustaining.
Right, right, right.

786
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,240
You know, he's like, you're
going to hear what kind of

787
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:42,360
sustain you're going to get out
of that wood because all the

788
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,480
electronics is doing is
amplifying the actual sound

789
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,560
you're hearing through that
grain of the wood.

790
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:48,560
Yeah.
Yeah.

791
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,080
That was the best lesson I ever
learned.

792
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,160
People see me do that at a
guitar shop and they think I'm

793
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,560
fucking crazy.
But right, right, it works.

794
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,560
But it makes sense, you know?
Yeah, I saw one of the greatest

795
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,600
guitar players.
Rolling Stone dubbed him as one

796
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,240
of the top 10 or top 25 most
influential guitar players of

797
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:06,360
all time.
Ted Turner from Wishbone Ash.

798
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,120
Right.
I sold him a guitar at Guitar

799
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,120
Center in Phoenix and I saw him
do that with the guitar that he

800
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,720
ended up buying.
I was like right on.

801
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,240
Nice, nice.
You know you get vindicated when

802
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,120
all those years you think you're
doing something special that

803
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,560
nobody else knows, right?
And you see somebody else doing

804
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:23,520
it.
Yep.

805
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,120
Yep.
I'm like, hey, I do that too.

806
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,000
And he's like, you got to man,
how are you going to know if

807
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,480
it's going to sustain or not if
you don't listen to the grain of

808
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,560
the wood number?
That's what the guy that showed

809
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,080
me.
I love those moments.

810
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,720
Absolutely.
I do know what I'm talking

811
00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:38,720
about.
Right.

812
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:44,040
So, yeah, So Davey then took the
guitar up on the stage, plugs it

813
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,680
into his rig and sitting there
just fucking murdering this

814
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,760
thing, you know, just playing
the shit out of it.

815
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,200
And I'll be again.
I had a Peter Cleck flashback.

816
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,240
I'm just like, Oh, my fucking
God, you know, on the stage,

817
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:02,640
plugged into his rig in this
beautiful auditorium, you know,

818
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:07,000
wailing on this thing sounds
fucking incredible.

819
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,280
And then Art comes out walking
on the stage and like, hey,

820
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,440
introduces himself to me.
You know, it was funny.

821
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,120
I'm standing there watching
Davey play, and I just feel a

822
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,840
hand on my shoulder and turn
around and it's Art standing

823
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,280
there.
And he's like, hey, I'm part.

824
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,440
And I was like, holy shit, yes,
you are, you know?

825
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:27,800
And he's like, he's like, you
built that.

826
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,680
I was like, I'm like, yeah.
And he's like, I want to play

827
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,080
it, you know?
He's like, Davey, bring that

828
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,120
here.
Let me play it.

829
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,720
So Art takes the guitar, puts it
on, starts playing on it and he

830
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:43,440
plays that guitar for about 10
or 15 seconds and stop and

831
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,560
looked at me and he goes, I want
1.

832
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,880
And I was I was just like, holy
shit, you know, Oh my God.

833
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:56,000
So that that was just a fucking
amazing experience and getting

834
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:02,280
to hang out with those guys and
talk guitars, talk music and

835
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,640
their art.
Art's the same way.

836
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,160
Just such down to earth normal,
just a.

837
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,160
Well, you you tell either one of
those guys, if they want to come

838
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,120
on here and talk guitars,
they're more than welcome.

839
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,440
To right.
Right.

840
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,720
Anybody.
Clear for Yeah, Yeah, they were

841
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:22,040
another band that spoke to me
right away and where I'll give

842
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,960
them a compliment is it was the
same way as Candle Box.

843
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,840
It was just so different and
catchy at the time, right,

844
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,560
right.
Sometimes catchy is good,

845
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,240
Sometimes catchy is it's pop
music.

846
00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:37,560
And I've you know, we have
dubbed pop music evil for a

847
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,080
reason in the rock world, right?
Right.

848
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,240
Some of it, and I'm not saying
their stuff is pop music, but

849
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:46,520
even in that world, some of it's
good.

850
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,680
Pop rock's fine.
Candy ass Pop Rock's not fine.

851
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:52,680
Right, right.
And Everclear had that edge to

852
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,800
them.
The guys that loved heavy metal

853
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,600
even liked Everclear.
Absolutely.

854
00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:59,760
It was so catchy, you had to
listen to it.

855
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,600
Somebody's behind you.
I have a job to do on this

856
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,440
podcast, ladies and gentlemen,
and I'm not going to share my

857
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:12,520
duties.
So yeah, they're absolutely more

858
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,120
than welcome to come on here and
talk guitars, like Chris said.

859
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:19,480
And any musician, you know, even
famous or not famous, welcome to

860
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,720
come on here and talk about why
they love your particular

861
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:24,600
guitar.
Because I'm as curious as

862
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,600
anybody because I just had this
conversation with my mom not

863
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,600
that long ago.
I'm still 13 years old inside my

864
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,840
brain, right, right.
Like, I love to play just we're

865
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,640
boys.
That actually that that actually

866
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,560
would be really cool if we get
Peter or Davion to actually talk

867
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,000
about you, Mike the guitar
maker.

868
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,960
Oh, that would I.
Would I would get so nervous

869
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,160
and, and, and find and find out?
No, but really to find out.

870
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,720
Here's the thing.
Here's the thing, it would it

871
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:54,640
would help you understand the
the allure of your of what you

872
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:55,880
built, right?
Sure.

873
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,800
Which in doing so, in doing so,
because Mike and I are all about

874
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,960
helping get our guests into the
forefront, out into the world,

875
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,400
right?
Like, this is not an interview,

876
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,480
it's a conversation.
I'm, you're fully aware of that,

877
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,560
right?
Interviews are boring yourself.

878
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,520
Because I was on radio and that
was the one thing I hate.

879
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,360
It's like, oh, you know, just a
stupid straight line.

880
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,240
No, screw that, man.
You learn so much more just like

881
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:20,760
this.
The, the organic, real and raw

882
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,840
relevant conversation about why
you're here.

883
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,320
You're here because #1 Mike
wanted you to come on the show

884
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,120
and I tracked you down and
you're gracious enough to say

885
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:28,920
yes.
So thank you.

886
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,680
And you build custom.
Guitars and you put custom

887
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,200
guitars in the hands of three
guitar players who have toured

888
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,840
the world I don't know how many
times.

889
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,520
Platinum, right?
So right.

890
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,960
So it'd be right.
So it'd be fantastic to have

891
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,480
them on and you can come with
them because we can put poor

892
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,720
people on this thing and, and
find out from Peter and Davey

893
00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:51,360
and Art.
What was it about your

894
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,480
instrument that they were so
drawn to that they had to have

895
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,360
one, right, Let alone have
another one?

896
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,400
Because you know that doors, you
know that doors going to open up

897
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,960
every time you when you go drop
off the next guitar and the next

898
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,560
guitar, people are going to
comment like, and all of a

899
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,040
sudden you, you know, Monkey
House Guitars is going to be a

900
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,720
household name in the
rock'n'roll world.

901
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:11,880
Because that's why you're here,
right?

902
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:16,080
We're going to give you like 20
clips that you can share your

903
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,120
disposal as well.
So you know, we're going to do.

904
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,240
Before you go pump and before
you go public, let us know so we

905
00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:24,600
can hop on the gravy train.
That that would be great.

906
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,600
That would be right.
You know, you got to think big,

907
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,160
man.
Yeah, so.

908
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,680
Let me ask you this.
Yeah, we never then Chris and I

909
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,120
are terrible about this.
And because he let me lead the

910
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,840
show and I started off by just
talking to like, geeking out

911
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,280
about guitars.
What made you want to build

912
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:46,520
guitars?
And what?

913
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,720
Obviously because you were a
player, right?

914
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:53,520
And when did you start doing it?
All right, so The funny thing

915
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:59,240
here, I think probably about a
month ago I had an elementary

916
00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:03,360
school teacher contact me from a
school that's a couple miles

917
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,800
from here.
And they're in Kansas, right?

918
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,120
I'm sorry, we're in Kansas.
Yep.

919
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,240
You're in Kansas, Yeah.
We're in Kansas, Yep.

920
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:16,640
And her students, the 5th grade
class is getting ready next

921
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,440
month.
I think they're having their

922
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,200
music program.
So the art teacher and the music

923
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,800
teacher are coming together.
And these kids are building

924
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,920
cardboard guitars for their
music show.

925
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:29,280
Yeah.
So.

926
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,880
So it's incorporating the art
class into the music program,

927
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,080
you know, which I think is
beautiful, You know, I love.

928
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,200
It that they have both.
Yes, yeah, exactly.

929
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:44,800
So she reaches out to me and
it's like, hey, explains what

930
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,440
they're doing.
Would you be willing to come to

931
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:52,680
our school and talk to the the
the entire 5th grade class, like

932
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:57,240
75 kids about what you do about
building guitars and blah, blah,

933
00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:01,200
blah, so they can get some
inspiration and ideas for their

934
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,400
project they're doing, You know,
I love it.

935
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,840
I was like, yeah, absolutely.
That would be fun to do.

936
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,840
I was more nervous going to talk
to these kids than I was going

937
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,640
to meet a rock star, you know?
Oh.

938
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:17,400
For sure I would be too.
Yeah, the, the week, the weekend

939
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,840
before doing that, I was in
Denver delivering a guitar to

940
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,680
Everclear.
And I was more nervous that

941
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:29,760
weekend talking to these fifth
grade kids, you know, but so

942
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,080
leading up to that, I'm sitting
there thinking, OK, what in the

943
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,880
hell am I going to talk to these
kids about?

944
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,600
That's going to keep them
interested, you know, to get

945
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,480
them engaged in the
conversation, you know, And so I

946
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,920
really started thinking about
when did I start building the

947
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,720
guitar?
And the first time I attempted

948
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:53,200
building a guitar, I was about
that age, like 4th, 5th grade.

949
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:58,960
And it was, it was out of
cardboard and plexiglass and

950
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:03,040
fishing line, you know, and put
the whole goddamn thing together

951
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,040
and it would make noise.
It sounded like shit.

952
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:11,520
But I built it and it, it was,
it resembled a guitar, you know?

953
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,080
But I built.
It right.

954
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,840
And that's that's where the
whole thing started, you know,

955
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,160
and then it flashed forward
several years in high school and

956
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:27,480
woodshop.
We had our like our end of the

957
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,680
year project.
You got one free project.

958
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,280
You could build whatever you
wanted.

959
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,040
You had the whole wood shop at
your disposal to build this one

960
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,560
project.
And I want to.

961
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,480
Build a guitar.
Just so people understand wood

962
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,440
shop, it was a class in junior
high and then in high school we

963
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,280
actually learned how to use your
hands and craft things with

964
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,680
power to a metal shop and auto
shop.

965
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:51,080
We don't have those anymore
because the for whatever reason,

966
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,320
you have to go to a a what is a
vocational school for that

967
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:55,680
stuff?
Which was stupid.

968
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,640
We actually have one of those in
our town, so we're fortunate.

969
00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:01,200
Yeah, yeah.
So there was a time when you're

970
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,040
required curriculum included
wood shop, metal shop and auto

971
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,560
shop.
Right and Joe can music and art.

972
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:08,440
Yeah, and music and art.
I'm surprised.

973
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,920
I was surprised when he said
that because a lot of schools

974
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,080
have stripped that out of their
programs, right?

975
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,120
All right.
And I think that's sad, you

976
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,000
know?
Agreed 100% Man 100%.

977
00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:22,840
But yeah, so that was that was
my I want to build a guitar for

978
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,960
this project.
My stop teacher.

979
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:32,440
He was like 8590 years old, have
had like 3 fingers, you know,

980
00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:37,280
and and he he's like, I don't
know shit about building a

981
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:38,480
guitar.
You're on your own.

982
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:43,440
I'm no help to you, you know,
and I'm like back then there's

983
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,800
there's.
There's no Internet.

984
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:53,000
No Internet, no YouTube, no you
know nothing that I can just

985
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,680
look up and absorb information
and figure it out.

986
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,200
How old are you like?
It it was a disaster and.

987
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,160
How old are you, Mike?
I I actually I turned 50 here in

988
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,200
a couple days.
OK, we're all in the same

989
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:06,800
wheelhouse within four years of
each.

990
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,800
Yeah.
Yeah, so, so that project never

991
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:16,080
got anywhere near completion.
And that always ever since then

992
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:20,600
in the back of my mind bugged
the shit out of me that I never

993
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:27,680
did see that through, you know,
And so not even 10 years ago,

994
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:32,640
probably six years ago, I want
to, I want to see, you know, if

995
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:38,120
I can do this, you know.
And so my daughter and I for

996
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:43,000
like just a daddy daughter
project, we had bought a kick

997
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,520
guitar.
You know, I was like, we're

998
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:48,120
going to build a guitar and a
kick guitar is kind of just like

999
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,040
a Lego set, you know, you just,
it's all already done.

1000
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,720
You paint it, finish it and, and
assemble it and it's done.

1001
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,920
There's, it took us like 2
weeks, you know, and I was like,

1002
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:04,720
that was kind of really
anticlimactic, you know, is

1003
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:05,680
that.
Your daughter.

1004
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,240
That's my granddaughter and me.
OK.

1005
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:09,720
Right on.
That's you.

1006
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,680
That that's me.
Right on.

1007
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,640
But he's having a bad hair day.
Yeah.

1008
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:23,840
I didn't shave that day, but so
we we did that kid guitar and I

1009
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,760
was just like, that wasn't even
a challenge.

1010
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:32,640
That was way too fucking easy.
One from scratch, the whole

1011
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,200
thing.
What would it take to do it from

1012
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,960
scratch?
So really just started diving

1013
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,120
into it, absorbing all the
information that I could.

1014
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,400
Start investing in tools one at
a time here and there and get to

1015
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,280
the point where like, all right,
I'm ready to cut some wood and

1016
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:53,280
try this and built my first
guitar from scratch.

1017
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:59,160
And it happened way too easily.
Like it just said, it went

1018
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,520
together and in the over the
course of like a month and a

1019
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:05,000
half, two months, it was done,
you know, and that that's

1020
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:06,920
building a neck from scratch and
everything.

1021
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,360
It just it came together and
plugged it in and it played and

1022
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,360
it worked and I was like well
fuck, that wasn't too hard

1023
00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:16,320
challenge to see if I.
Could don't tell people that.

1024
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,840
Don't act like it was too.
It was super hard.

1025
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,760
It was the hardest thing you've
ever done in your life.

1026
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,520
Everyone I've built since then
has been hardest fuck there.

1027
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,600
You go.
Do you think that building that

1028
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,040
kick guitar gave you like a leg
up?

1029
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,520
Did that help at all or you
would have been able to do the

1030
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,000
first one the same way you did
it?

1031
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:40,680
Without helping guitar that I
don't know about you, but every

1032
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,520
guitar that I've owned, I've
taken them apart.

1033
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,840
You know, these swap out
pickups, do this, do that, and

1034
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,680
then reassemble it, put it back
together and you know I've.

1035
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,160
Always found somebody that was
smarter than me for real.

1036
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,440
I just I.
Recommend somebody else.

1037
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,840
Fixes them if I if I buy
something I need to figure out

1038
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,040
how it works so I'll take it
completely apart and learn it

1039
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,720
and then put it back together.
You know and I was always that

1040
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:10,720
way with my guitars too.
So I don't, I don't feel like

1041
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:15,280
the kit guitar really did
anything for me other than kind

1042
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:21,200
of ignite the, the, the desire
to do more than just build a

1043
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,640
kit, you know?
Well, you actually answered my

1044
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,080
question without knowing it.
It was the fact that you had

1045
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,760
taken them apart and putting
them back together, all the ones

1046
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,240
that you had bought.
You knew how the electronics

1047
00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:36,240
looked, you knew how the pickups
went in there, and you knew what

1048
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:40,480
you would do differently if you
were, if you had, you know the

1049
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,760
blueprint to do it yourself.
Now I understand it's because

1050
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,840
you spent time taking them apart
and seeing how they worked.

1051
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,840
I just, I make that joke all the
time, but it's not a joke.

1052
00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:54,320
Don't give me your collector's
guitar because you know I'm a

1053
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:55,520
player.
I'm not a collector.

1054
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:56,600
I'm going to write the fucking
thing.

1055
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,760
Right, right, and.
Then I mean that in a good, I

1056
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,680
mean that in a good way.
I'm going to play it and it's

1057
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,360
going to get a, it's going to
get abused.

1058
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,840
Right.
And that, that's, I, I feel that

1059
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,800
way about every guitar that I
build.

1060
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:13,000
When, when the the new owner
gets it, I don't want it to be

1061
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,360
hung on the wall and displayed.
It's not a not a part piece, you

1062
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,160
know, and I, I've literally,
I've told people that I want you

1063
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,000
to beat the shit out of this
guitar.

1064
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:23,320
I want you to bring the fuck out
of this thing.

1065
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,680
That means a lot to hear.
Yeah, you know that.

1066
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:30,720
Like that's what it's made for,
is to have the shit played out

1067
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:33,560
of it, you know?
Well, yeah, it's like Hetfield

1068
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,120
still plays his original.
What?

1069
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,240
I don't remember what it was.
Mike, you'll know.

1070
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,880
It's an Epiphone, yeah, that
that Flying V that he has that's

1071
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,840
been around with him since what,
198079 or whatever, right?

1072
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,680
It's literally like a $300
guitar that he plays Seek and

1073
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,600
Destroy on or whatever now.
Right.

1074
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,080
But think about that.
That guitar has been around the

1075
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,240
world.
Probably, probably right, 4050.

1076
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,440
Yeah, it's a $300 guitar that
you couldn't put a price tag on

1077
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:00,920
today.
Correct.

1078
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,560
No, right?
No, but no, not at all.

1079
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:04,960
But that's the point of it.
You're not.

1080
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:06,760
You're building a you're
building an instrument to be

1081
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,840
played.
You're going to have you have

1082
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,960
people that collect shit hanging
on their walls, right?

1083
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,440
Like I'm sure somebody owns Jimi
Hendrix guitar and it's behind

1084
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,520
the case on his wall, but.
Which is so sad.

1085
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,520
Right, but.
You know, but for the most part,

1086
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:22,120
you're building something that
that creates life and the music

1087
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,000
world and it, you know, and
music is life, man.

1088
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:29,400
So that's cool, dude.
Yeah, that was a brilliant

1089
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:30,520
statement right there.
I love.

1090
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,400
That oh oh, you're welcome.
Pretty gross.

1091
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,680
What did I say?
Music is life.

1092
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:37,600
It is.
Music is life, man.

1093
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,000
Music is life.
It is, you know, you can't.

1094
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,360
I mean, think about, we've
talked about it before.

1095
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:43,960
Can you imagine a world without
music?

1096
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,040
We have like, had that debate.
I don't, I don't know.

1097
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:51,160
When Ozzy no, like when Ozzy
died, like I made the comment,

1098
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,360
Mike and I talked about it
because on the next show and

1099
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,960
it's when he died the the world
got quieter and it's and it's

1100
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:58,480
not like his music doesn't live
on.

1101
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,240
It does.
It's not like his legacy isn't

1102
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,920
what it is, but.
But there's never going to be

1103
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,440
more, because right?
Right, right.

1104
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,320
I'm sure there is.
I'm sure he has all kinds of

1105
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,760
stuff stored away, right.
Especially with the sun.

1106
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,440
Sun, I'm sure we're going to
hear stuff because I'm sure,

1107
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,400
Yeah, you know.
No, it's not.

1108
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,160
It's not because you don't have
the sound bites.

1109
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,240
You don't have, you don't have,
you just don't have Aussie.

1110
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,040
It's different.
It's different when you lose

1111
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,160
somebody to that magnitude.
It's kind of like it's just, you

1112
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,960
know, when Elvis died, it the
world got quiet because, you

1113
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,760
know, back then there was no
Internet, but Elvis reached the

1114
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,800
entire world.
And it's like, well, now what?

1115
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,200
You know, that's why people
grieve so hard when Ozzy died,

1116
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:33,960
because it's.
Right.

1117
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,400
Or John Lennon, you know.
Right.

1118
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,480
You, just, you, just you silence
somebody.

1119
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:43,560
That was such a voice on so many
levels and Ozzy carried through

1120
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:47,440
so many genres and and it didn't
matter if you liked Sabbath or

1121
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,280
or his music alone.
You liked him because of the

1122
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:50,400
Osbournes.
If you didn't like because of

1123
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,560
the Osbournes, you like because
you heard the stories about the

1124
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,480
bats and the doves and pissing
on the Alamo.

1125
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,480
There's so many different things
to his character and the dynamic

1126
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,960
human that he was that you just
you loved or hate him.

1127
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,120
But I think more people loved
him than hated him because all

1128
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:08,200
he wanted the other day was just
to jam and just and and be a

1129
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,480
loving human and share with.
Right.

1130
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,880
And for guys like Mike and I, he
gave us some of the greatest

1131
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,120
guitar players that ever graced
the instrument that, you know,

1132
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,760
made us ambitious enough to go
out and try and be that good as

1133
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:21,920
as well, you know?
Right.

1134
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,320
Well, think about the guitar
players he gave to us.

1135
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:28,480
Try to try to think of what the
what the music world would be

1136
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,440
today had he not done anything
he did, you know?

1137
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,960
There wouldn't be.
There would be no Metallica.

1138
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:36,400
No, there would be No Yeah,
there'd be so.

1139
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,680
Because he gave them their first
big start.

1140
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,880
Yep.
So who's the who's the Holy

1141
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,160
Grail?
If who, who's the one phone call

1142
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,680
you're waiting for to say, hey,
Mike, I want you to build me a

1143
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,920
guitar?
So that's that's a good

1144
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,000
question.
It is, I love it.

1145
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,400
A lot.
And I do have an answer a lot.

1146
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:04,240
A lot of the problem with that
is most Holy Grail guitarists

1147
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:09,200
are endorsed, you know, and part
of their endorsement deal.

1148
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,720
And I've talked to several, you
know, they're like, I would love

1149
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:15,360
to have you build me one, but I
can't accept the guitar from

1150
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,560
you.
I can't have pictures of me

1151
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:21,120
holding your guitar because I'll
lose my endorsement deal, you

1152
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:25,880
know?
The one Holy Grail one that as

1153
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:30,880
far as I know isn't endorsed is
Pete Loeffler from Chevelle.

1154
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:38,280
I would love to get in contact
with him somehow and build a

1155
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,440
guitar for him.
Well, you're gonna get a little

1156
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,480
clip of this show that hopefully
this is part of those clips and

1157
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,160
you can just put it on this
page.

1158
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:51,280
Right, right.
And you just blew me away, man.

1159
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,840
That's such an interesting
choice because my mind went

1160
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,480
right to his tone and there's
another tone that I really

1161
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,400
admire and love, right?
And and the things I love about

1162
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,520
him.
So there's actually, my answer

1163
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,320
wouldn't be just him.
There's three of them.

1164
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:10,880
OK, He's 1.
And so Pete loves playing Pete

1165
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,120
Loeffler.
He has a thing for baritone

1166
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:18,440
scale guitars and and odd, odd
scale guitars and shit.

1167
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:23,000
He has, I've seen pictures of
him now there's some baritone

1168
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,960
scale Fender that he picked up
that he's been playing lately.

1169
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:32,600
OK, so I, I love players that
are like that, that they want

1170
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:37,800
oddball shit, you know?
Because now it's a challenge for

1171
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:38,880
you, right?
Right, right.

1172
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,920
It's something different.
It's not, well, I've got

1173
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:43,360
templates sitting right here for
that.

1174
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:44,920
I could crank out another telly
in it.

1175
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,360
And you know, it's like a
challenge.

1176
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:52,440
It's something it takes a lot
more focus on work going into

1177
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,960
it.
But what I love to hear about

1178
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,120
that from you, Mike, is that
means that the guitars that you

1179
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,720
build, that you would consider
average guitars are so far above

1180
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:03,880
and beyond anything that you
could go buy at the store.

1181
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,400
That's what I want people to
understand that listening to

1182
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,760
this, if you're a young guitar
player out there, the reason

1183
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,280
that I'm so excited as a 40 year
veteran of playing the

1184
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:18,160
instrument to talk to this man
is I know the love and care that

1185
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,440
goes into picking the wood in
the necks.

1186
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:24,520
And like you said, making a neck
is a tedious process.

1187
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:28,640
You can't.
Rush it and it it just, I love

1188
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:32,520
to hear your passion for the
same passion I have for playing

1189
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,720
the instrument when I hear it
the way it's intended through a

1190
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,640
great amplifier.
And you know what I'm saying?

1191
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:42,520
Well, and that, that's a big
part of the, that it's a big

1192
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:46,200
part of the appeal.
And the fun of it to me is

1193
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:50,320
you're building custom shit.
It's it's not I want you to

1194
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,480
build me this exact guitar that
I saw hanging on the wall at

1195
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:57,600
Guitar Center.
You know, it's I want this

1196
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,080
guitar, but I want it to have
this on it.

1197
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,880
But they don't make that.
I want, you know, I want this

1198
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,400
with a Floyd on it, but they
don't make that.

1199
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:09,000
It doesn't exist in the wild.
And I want one.

1200
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,840
I really want one with my my
name engraved on the fret board.

1201
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:16,520
But that, you know, go into a
custom shop that's a it's a

1202
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:21,280
three-year wait list and you
know, I'll never have that.

1203
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,360
You know, I'm like, well, fuck,
I can do that for you.

1204
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:28,120
I can, I can literally you can
piece meal, you know, pick and

1205
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:32,280
choose different aspects of
guitars that you love and cram

1206
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,880
them all into one and build
that, you know, and that's the

1207
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,640
part that I love about doing the
custom shit.

1208
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,360
Is and that's why I'm excited to
talk to you.

1209
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,240
You know, I want I definitely
and I'll tell you why I want you

1210
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:47,800
to build me a guitar because we
had our original bass player on

1211
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,720
a on the podcast.
What about a month ago, Chris?

1212
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:52,680
Maybe.
Maybe longer than that.

1213
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:54,680
Time flies, man.
Yeah, it might have been back in

1214
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:55,200
all hey.
William.

1215
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,800
Hey, William Richard Carter.
William, they put us on 12 hour

1216
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:00,200
days.
I'll get in touch soon.

1217
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:01,520
That's the reason you haven't
heard from me.

1218
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,800
That was awesome.
The reason that I want you to

1219
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,240
build me a guitar is something
caught my ear when we were

1220
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:11,440
talking to him.
He just had a bass made for him

1221
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:15,240
recently, and he said if you're
ever afforded the opportunity,

1222
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:19,480
take it, because I can't express
enough how different this

1223
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:22,360
instrument is versus anything
I've ever played.

1224
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,600
And I could see it in his eyes,
and I could hear it in his

1225
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,840
voice.
Right, right, right you.

1226
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,120
Sound like a little like you
said with Peter, He's like a

1227
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,280
little kid at Christmas.
When he heard that played

1228
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,600
through his rig, his eyes lit up
and Davey's eyes lit up, Right.

1229
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,600
Like, these are players who
respect their tone so much

1230
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,560
because people bought millions
of their records, ladies and

1231
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:43,080
gentlemen, right?
Millions.

1232
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:44,720
These are platinum selling
artists.

1233
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,560
Their tone means something to
them when they're delivering

1234
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,640
their message after you paid
$300 to see them play, Right,

1235
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:52,800
Right.
Whatever it costs nowadays, it's

1236
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:54,120
more expensive than it used to
be.

1237
01:04:54,120 --> 01:05:01,560
But yeah, it's just blows my
mind that, you know, you at 40,

1238
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:03,600
you know, that's what makes the
story even better.

1239
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:07,080
At 43 or 44 years old, you
decided to start building

1240
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,160
guitars for.
For the hell of it.

1241
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:11,040
Yeah.
Can I do this?

1242
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,640
Do I have the talent and you
whip one out?

1243
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,400
And yes, I not only have the
talent, I think I'm pretty good

1244
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,520
at this.
So I'm going to continue and I'm

1245
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:20,560
going to reach out to a couple
people and.

1246
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,080
And it's just and here we are.
And that's.

1247
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,320
I thought you were going to tell
me you've been building guitars

1248
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:27,800
since that shop class.
Right.

1249
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:29,760
I wish.
I wish I would have.

1250
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,080
I wish I would have really stuck
with it.

1251
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:36,920
If I could go back and talk to
18 year old me, I would not let

1252
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:41,160
myself have stopped at that
point, you know, because I could

1253
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,560
have been doing this for 30
years, you know?

1254
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:47,760
But Yep.
So let's give, let's give, let's

1255
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,320
give you a moment to give a
shout out to your family and and

1256
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:52,600
you know all your friends and
stuff in Kansas before you wrap

1257
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,000
this puppy up and you guys can
talk off air about building like

1258
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,280
a guitar.
Absolutely.

1259
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:00,640
OK.
For well, that's you got.

1260
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:02,600
You got to say hey wife.
You got to say hi to the wife

1261
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,400
and kids, man.
Yeah, they're sitting right

1262
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:09,640
inside.
He's a good Midwestern guy.

1263
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:11,200
I love his temper.
Yeah, yeah.

1264
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,640
I'm in Illinois man.
But no, that is that is 1 huge

1265
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:19,040
thing for me is 1.
My wife is so incredibly

1266
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,920
supportive of me doing that.
Good job.

1267
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:22,720
That's a good.
Job.

1268
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:24,520
Wife.
He's amazing.

1269
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,880
When I first started out doing
this, we had just bought our

1270
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,720
house.
I built a little 10 by 10 shed

1271
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:35,120
in the backyard and that's where
I started at was in this little

1272
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:41,080
box and I was I was so crammed
in there, you know, just it the

1273
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:44,680
shit that I was putting out, you
wouldn't look at at that guitar

1274
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:46,280
and think that came out of
there.

1275
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:51,080
You know, it just it was insane
and it was it wasn't heated,

1276
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,880
wasn't cooled.
It froze in the winter.

1277
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,320
You know, I had to have a
propane heater going in there

1278
01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:00,040
just to so I couldn't see my
breath while I'm working, you

1279
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:04,280
know, any finishes, oils,
anything paint.

1280
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,840
I had to bring all that in the
house during the winter because

1281
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:11,040
it would freeze out there.
Glue it just it sucked, but it

1282
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:16,760
got me going and I got to a
point where so we have A2 car

1283
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:20,880
garage and I got to a point I
was talking to a guy that I

1284
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,680
worked with one day.
I was like, I really want to

1285
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:27,120
move my workshop into the
garage, but I've got to talk my

1286
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:31,880
wife into it and I don't I don't
know how to butter her up and

1287
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:36,160
like sweeten the deal to to get
her to let me do that, you know,

1288
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:41,040
And so I came home that day and
just So what would you think if

1289
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:44,080
I cleared out all the shit out
of the garage and moved my shop

1290
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:46,640
in there instead?
And she's like, cool, do it, you

1291
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:49,000
know?
And I was like, no, sweet.

1292
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:52,880
So see why wives are cooler than
we think when they are man, you

1293
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:55,120
just you just got to how long
you been married.

1294
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,080
We've been married 10 years.
Yeah.

1295
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,480
So that's the thing man, once
you have time invested, it's.

1296
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,640
Just it's a.
Conversation Nick and I've been

1297
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,680
together 31 so it's we finished
the sentences and shit right

1298
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,800
right it's just that's the thing
man I mean because because now

1299
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:12,520
it's just what what you do is
good for you too not just for

1300
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,920
you and I think that's that's
the cool thing about that good

1301
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,560
dynamic with the relationship is
you can both realize that OK

1302
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:21,560
well Mike's doing over here
building guitars is going to

1303
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:25,160
help us in the long run because
the more you build the more

1304
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,200
successful you get the.
You know more, and even at the

1305
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:30,760
beginning, just the fact that it
made you happy, right?

1306
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,000
You were happier, Mike, because
you were building guitars.

1307
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,920
Right.
It either made me happier or it

1308
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:39,240
kept me out of her hair.
One of the two, I'm just gonna

1309
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:41,840
say.
That I'm just gonna say.

1310
01:08:42,279 --> 01:08:44,040
That now I can watch whatever I
want.

1311
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:47,520
Right, right, right.
But, but no, she's, she's super

1312
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,960
supportive of it.
You know, I'll, I'll be out here

1313
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,560
long hours, late at night, first
thing in the morning on all

1314
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:56,640
weekend.
I'm out here in my shop working.

1315
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,680
Yeah, but.
And I've found I've got to force

1316
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:05,920
myself at times to step away and
have family time, you know, cuz

1317
01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:10,560
that's important and I don't
want to miss out on that.

1318
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:14,439
So it's hard finding that that
balance, you know you'll.

1319
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:15,680
Find it, you'll get it.
You'll.

1320
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,760
Get time and family.
Time, yeah, but you'll find it

1321
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:20,560
though, yeah.
The more you do, the better

1322
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:22,080
you'll get out of dude, the more
you'll understand.

1323
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:23,840
It so.
That's good, the fact that you

1324
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:25,880
recognize that you're on the
right path.

1325
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,000
So that's good, right?
That's good.

1326
01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:31,479
For sure.
Yeah, OK, so so he's Mike for

1327
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,520
owner, founder of Monkey House
Guitars.

1328
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:35,560
Got it right this time.
You can find them on Facebook

1329
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:36,800
and Instagram.
Just search Monkey.

1330
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,680
Just search Monkey Houses.
Just search Monkey House

1331
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Guitars.
Right.

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Yep, Yep.
OK, Yep, we close every show

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like this.
If you're feeling sad, suicidal,

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depressed, don't do it.
There's always somebody who

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loves you, who'll miss you.
Don't leave a hole in somebody

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else's heart.
Tomorrow's a better day because

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you're going to wake up in it.
No bullshit.

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Text 988.
If if you can't find somebody to

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talk to, text the 988.
There's somebody there willing

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and ready to help you get
through whatever you're

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struggling with.
With that being said, I'm Chris,

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He's Mike and that's Mike.
I'm, I'm, I'm sandwiched by

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Mike's, you know, it's it's,
it's Mike squared.

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We appreciate you being on the
show, dude.

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We definitely going to have you
come back on after you make

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guitars for more and more people
in the world.

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Yeah, I love it.
If we if we can get Peter or

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Davey or art on you, come on
with them, because then we can

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just.
Yeah, let's make that.

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Happen.
That would be love.

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Super fun to do, yeah?
I love that idea.

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I, I might just, I might have to
have a few drinks that day in

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order to do that.
There's no problem with.

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That that's fine, you can, you
can drink for me 'cause I don't

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drink.
Love you brother.

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Love you too, man.
See you guys.

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Great to meet you, Mike.
Thanks for coming on.

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Thanks for.
Your wife long your journey.

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Listen to the place where you
will go.

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Be on the trail behind your
eyes.

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Feel yourself and meet yourself.
Take a moment.

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Look.
Until.

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You see it, watch your battle
and tear balls we hear.

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Watch your battle.
Who is this baby?

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Come
down here, we haven't found the

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salary in the exam from
fighting.

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Wait for the dead when it's
going around.

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Here you.
Put in the wind.

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You ain't no quizzes.
We don't pray and smile.

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And you should.
You put it on the almighty day.

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You got a dream.
Who in your life to keep our

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soul in every man.
Take the trail behind your eyes.

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Feel the soul revolution now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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yeah.
Take

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your moment.