#149 - Duval - (The Band)

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Girls, what's up there, boys and
girls, Chris and Mike show.

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We're broadcasting live on
Twitch and YouTube right now.

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We have some really cool guests.
All right, so once again, boys

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and girls, this is Chris and
Mike Show.

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I'm Chris.
He's Mike.

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This is Dave and Brian from the
band Duvall joining us live here

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again on Twitch and YouTube.
Happy Halloween everyone happy.

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Halloween, Halloween, everybody.
Thanks for coming on guys.

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Hey, there you go.
There you go.

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I see you.
I see all of you.

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All right.
Cool.

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He's got the all seeing eye.
All seeing eye man.

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So you guys are you guys are
part of the the Velo Cheetah

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music entertainment family,
correct, which is very cool.

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Shout out to Bruce.
Shout out to Bruce.

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We're excited about that.
We are very excited about that,

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yeah.
Bruce is good people, man.

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We've been talking.
He and I've been talking shit,

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man.
Maybe six months or so.

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I sent him a message on Facebook
and the rest is history.

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He's just.
I have never talked to Bruce,

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but all I hear is good things
through Chris and yeah, so thank

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you very much, Bruce.
Thanks for coming on fellas.

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Good to have you here.
Bruce is our best cheerleader.

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I mean, he's, he's not our
student, you know, but.

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Cheerleader all the time.
He's got a face for radio.

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Collared shirts.
He's got the collared.

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Shirts.
Yeah.

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Oh, I know.
We talked about that.

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The big old butterfly collar.
The old.

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The old.
Man, you know all those are all.

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70s.
Yeah, like is you need just need

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a rocket, you know?
Yeah, yeah, old 70s style.

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Yeah.
So we're so we're basically

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we're here today, we're going to
talk about the band Duval

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because we're all about am I
saying that right, first of all?

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Duvall.
Yeah, Duvall, Duvall.

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It's depends on which part of
the country.

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Wherever you're from, if you're
from Canada, you know it'd be

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Duvalle I.
Guess Duvalle.

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Duvalle.
Yeah, yeah.

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And then we don't.
We don't care.

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How you?
Yeah.

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Cool.
So tell us a little bit about

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you guys and what you're all
about.

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What kind of music we now Bruce
did send us a couple tracks, but

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we don't like to we don't like
to spoil our listeners because

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we want we want our listeners to
find you and track you down and

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buy your stuff and and you know,
subscribe to your channel,

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things like that.
So just give us the whole the

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whole band, you know, details
and whatnot and you know what's

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going on in your guys world and
where you headed.

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Yeah, you you want to start?
Sure.

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Well, my version of it would be.
Shorter.

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Go ahead, Brian.
I'm a California kid.

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He's Oklahoma boy.
So I came out here a couple

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years ago to Tulsa and I love
the music community here.

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Dave and I met in a Led Zeppelin
tribute band.

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Sweet.
Out here in Tulsa, let's

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Zeppelin.
So I was the new Robert Plant

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and he was the new Jimmy Page.
And that's how we met about a

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year ago.
Actually, that's really a year

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and a half ago.
My favorite band for the record.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
My top 3 for sure.

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Can't get enough of Zeppelin
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Zeppelin and yes, so that's how
we met and I was a new kid in

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town and Dave has been, you
know, he's been playing guitar

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around for a long time.
So we just kind of he and I hit

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it off.
We just kind of we just really

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hit it off and then Dave had
some songs that he needed some

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vocals on.
So I put my vocals on, we went

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in the studio, I put my vocals
on some of these songs.

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And he's he's been writing a
lot.

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So we've got a lot, lots of
songs.

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We got about 12 songs now almost
in the can.

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So we've just been, you know,
figuring out what to do and

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figure out what to do with those
songs.

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And I'm glad that Bruce and
Villa Cheetah likes them and

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everybody else that's listened
to them seems to like them.

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So I think, you know, I really.
Like the two that you sent us,

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man, they were.
Well, Duvall.

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Dave Duvall.
I'm going to call him Duvall

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because the band is Duvall.
He doesn't know how not to write

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a hit.
Oh, right on.

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So we've got. 12 No pressure,
Dave, No pressure.

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Man.
Can I tell you what I told

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Chris?
Oh, nothing.

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And see what you guys's reaction
is I.

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I've been in, you know, many
bands since I was 14 years old.

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And Dave's been in many bands.
But when I heard, when Dave just

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started playing me some of the
songs that, well, he wrote, I

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was like, I like every one of
them.

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And that's very unusual to like
every song that's thrown at you

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right after you meet somebody.
So there was a connection, you

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know, immediately.
And we've been in the studio

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working on these songs and I'm
excited about them.

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And that's where we're at right
now.

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That's where we're at.
So yeah.

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We.
My.

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First time I he was such a great
singer.

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Well, we, we literally showed up
to to 1st Led Zeppelin

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rehearsal, his first rehearsal,
my first rehearsal.

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And it's like, who the heck are
you?

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Who that you know anyway.
But yeah, we didn't know each

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other and but it was after that
first, you know, we just only

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have one or two rehearsals than
we did a show.

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Yeah, we don't rehearse that
much.

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We make that a rule that we
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And we did a show together, but
we kind of, we kind of had a

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report on stage really, you
know, like, yeah.

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Not just as Robert Plant and
Jimmy Page, we had a Duval,

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Brian, Phil Miller kind of thing
happening at the same it was

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happening and so so it was a
cool thing to happen, you know,

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but.
I was I was kind of stuck dead

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in the water far as you know,
original material.

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I meet Brian.
He's the perfect voice for the

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for those for that, the song.
It's just a, it's just, we just

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got lucky with the the, the
right persona, right voice, the

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the songs, the yeah and, and,
and we got money, money Anderson

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on bass and Trey Barnes on
drums.

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And I've known Trey for a long,
I've known money even longer

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anyway, so I introduced Brian to
them and, and it's just been

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going click, click, click ever
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All we have to do we only time
we get slowed down, we have to

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wait for like how studios are.
We have to wait for mixing and

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mastering and you know we have
to get in line and that's yeah

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just chomping at the that's what
we're doing right now song but

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but but we are shot telling
about the EP Yeah yeah so we are

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but we do that six that are
mastered and and want to go out

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on an EP just to kind of like a.
5 or 6.

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Yeah, yeah, 5 or 6, yeah, 5
where something like that.

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The magic number is yeah.
So, Bruce I.

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Think I think the I think the
magic number for EPS is 8.

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I think it's 85 on an EP.
Is it 85?

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It's 55.
I think it's.

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No EP.
Mike says it's 5M, says it's 55.

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Is what?
5 and I'm fine and buy it, yeah.

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Yeah, Mike says. 5 Now when we
release the album, it'll

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probably have 12 micros.
Yeah, sure.

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Like that, sure.
And then we got a bunch of other

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material for like, I'm after
that.

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Oh yeah.
But all those songs?

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We got pretty much, we got
physical graffiti written.

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Yeah, all.
Right, we'll have to roll it

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out.
We'll have to.

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Roll it out in increments, you
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Yeah, right.
Yeah, that's cool.

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Yeah.
So by the way, that's a really

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good problem to have to have too
many songs it is to choose from.

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Oh agreed agreed.
So MM wanted to make a comment

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earlier about something you said
about songwriting.

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Well, something that Dave just
said that you say all the time

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too is the chemistry.
If there's no, it doesn't

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matter.
You can put the think about all

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the Super groups that have been
put together.

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That is everything.
Chemistry is nothing.

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Well, absolutely is to have the
the guys that are all kind of on

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the same page musically, you
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By the way, what you just said,
Mike, that is there's no secret

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formula as you know in this
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However, if you look at the
iconic bands that are still

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going, the Stones, Aerosmith,
ACDC, regardless of who is in

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the band right now, the original
guys that started that that, you

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know, that musical journey all
had chemistry and it's something

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that gets talked about.
But you can't manufacture that.

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You can't create chemistry.
It's been tried before by many a

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record label and it doesn't
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Sometimes it works, but it
doesn't last.

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So chemistry is absolutely
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And you know, they say image is
everything.

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Well, images is a lot too.
But, but if you don't have, like

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you said, you can put four of
the most talented people in a

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room, musicians, and if they, if
one chink in that armor doesn't

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work with the other three, it
will not work.

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You know, I had a pretty high
profile audition for STP and

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Dragon Force and Velt Revolver.
Now, because of who I am, I

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probably shot myself in the
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But what I said was to some of
these guys that I was

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auditioning for is I don't want
to be your former singer because

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I can't be your former singer
because you guys had the

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chemistry.
So if I'm going to be the new

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guy fronting your band, I got to
be me, and I know who me is and

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if.
That's a point that Chris always

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makes.
Yeah.

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He's always careful to say, and
I am too.

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We're not the best musicians in
the world, but when you put the

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four of us in a room together,
something magical.

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Happened.
There's something.

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He's the singer and the voice
for the band Nemesis, right?

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That's and that's all we ever
professed to be.

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He didn't profess to be, you
know, I'm the next Jeff Tate or

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I'm the next Robert Plan or, you
know, he's like, I'm the next

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Chris Dunham because that's who
I am, right?

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There you go.
Before I forget to make my point

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when you guys sent us those
songs.

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And it's even more cool now
because knowing that you guys

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are into the same kind of old
school music that I was.

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I don't know if this is going to
be a compliment or this is just

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my first impression, but.
We'll take it as a.

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Your music is almost like the
Romantics and the Talking Heads

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had a baby.
Oh my God, yeah, that is so

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dude.
OK, so wait, what I'm going to

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do, I'm going to tell you.
I'm going to tell you what songs

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Bruce sent us before you respond
to that.

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And that's so cool in my opinion
because I I love both those

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bands of Talking Heads,
especially because what talented

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musicians.
So Bruce, hold on, hold on, hold

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on.
So Bruce sent us Mary, Bruce

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sent us Mary.
Go round and he sent us.

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Come knock on my door.
OK Oh, both off again.

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Oh wow, I didn't know he was.
Going to that.

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Was well, yeah, no.
Signal this one.

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Personal favorites.
So The thing is.

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It's funny.
For a long time I got

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pigeonholed as a heavy metal
singer maybe about 15 years ago

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because I was doing some metal
things.

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But I don't like to call myself
a heavy metal singer.

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I just, I just call myself a
rock'n'roll singer.

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I don't either.
You know, and I'm fans of all

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music.
I mean, we grew up with all this

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great music and I yeah,
absolutely.

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So, you know, talking about
chemistry and talking about the

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writing process and talking
about, you know, all these

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things.
It's it's funny that my buddy

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Sean, I'm going to give a shout
out to Sean son and Shine.

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He plays in the band Trapped and
he he showed.

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I love you.
Yeah, when he heard, when he

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heard Aelia, another song that
we have, he called me and he

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goes, dude, it's like the police
and the Knack had a bait.

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And I'm like, wow, So what, you
just the clash, wasn't it?

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No, he said the police.
He said the police and the

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Knack.
You know my Sharona, so it's

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funny.
Because you just.

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Said you just said, you know,
it's like the talking.

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And the romantic kind of.
Thing so I had to just laugh

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about that because.
It's at first I told him the

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Talking Heads, but we opened up
for the Romantics and they had

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so many songs that I had
forgotten about other than

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talking in your.
Sleep right.

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I've done so I've done so many
shows with Mike Skill.

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I I was in a band called the
Famous Faces up in Portland, OR

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and we, we did many shows with
Mike Skill and he's just an

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amazing guy.
Yeah.

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And and we love the romantics
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Yeah, when they started jamming,
I was like, wow, you know, I'm

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into the deep cuts, the songs
that nobody listens to, right?

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And yeah, they played obviously
all their hits, but then they

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started playing a lot of this
just straight ahead, rock'n'roll

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stuff.
And I'm like, what an

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outstanding band.
Oh man, that's when you really

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find out how good a band is,
when you damn right into the

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deep cuts.
And so often when it's a great

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band like that, you, you, you
find out.

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That's how you find out how good
they are, you know?

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Dave and I just had this
conversation yesterday about the

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romantics.
So it's really certainly.

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Good, you lie.
You brought that up.

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That is very funny because we
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I could tell the genuine
reaction you guys just had to my

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comments, so that's awesome.
And I'm going to throw you

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another, you know, bone sidebar.
I I had no idea when we're

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recording these songs.
I wasn't thinking about any of

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those bands.
I wasn't.

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Find it though.
No, but you, you don't try.

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We we're the same way.
You don't write music to sound

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like somebody else.
You write music that pleases you

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and it's tied you emotionally in
some way, shape and form.

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Because you're like me, Brian.
I write all the lyrics and the

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melodies and stuff.
Mike does all the takes, all

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that, and then runs with it.
But you, you and Mike, and I've

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talked about it before with with
Nemesis anyway, when every song

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we played, Mike would sit back
there and he could tell I was I

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was becoming that song because
every song I wrote had a purpose

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in life and had a was, you know
what I mean?

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So he's made the common couple
shows ago that he could see my

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character for each song.
So you don't go into a studio,

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you don't write music and think,
oh, this is going to be like the

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romantics or this is going to be
like the talking Heads.

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You know, you just have that,
that that influence, I think

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just comes through naturally
because that's that's what you

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grew up on and that's what
you're drawn to.

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And so that just comes comes
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I'm.
I'm very lucky.

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Yeah, I'm very lucky as a singer
because I got a guitar player

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who he he.
I don't want to know what Dave's

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process is, just like, I don't
really like talking about my

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process.
I have, I have guys that come up

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and go, how do you sing?
How do you sing like that?

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How do you do that thing?
How do you channel Robert Plant?

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I'm like, you know what, I love
you.

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Thanks for coming to the show.
That's private.

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That is my personal thing.
I don't like to talk about the

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process because I feel like I'm
going to.

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It's kind of like a holy thing
where you don't, you don't want

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to talk about that because it's
kind of like it's personal for

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one thing.
And two, you know, I just feel

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like if I talk about it, I'm
messing with the muse a little

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too much.
That's why I don't like that's

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why I don't like bands telling
people what their songs are

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about.
See what the what the actual

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with the actual like I've told
I've said it before when when

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Draymond dropped the bomb on the
sickness from the disturbed song

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with sickness and how it's not
really about his mother and it's

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not really about abuse.
It's like, what the fuck, man?

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Like you, you can't do that.
No, you cannot do that because

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the interpretation is.
Everybody's interpretation is

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different and that's why music
is what it is, man.

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That's exactly right.
Yeah, you.

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Want people to own it for
themselves, you know?

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Thank you.
Yes, yes.

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You hear this dreaming.
You hear this, Dave?

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Come on, man.
It'll challenge you too.

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Hey, listen, listen.
Don't mess with my childhood.

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Don't tell me that.
Don't tell me that Kiss Alive is

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not a live album, OK?
In my opinion, it's a live

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album, right?
And that's what I grew up with.

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And damn it, yeah.
It's a damn live.

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Album.
Yep, it's just like the moon

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landing.
Don't tell me it's fake, because

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I believe it was real.
I don't want to mess with that,

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but you know, Duvall comes up
with so many ideas and melodies

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and lyrics to.
So it's kind of like a Rick

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Nielsen, Robin Xander situation
in some ways where where he

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brings me songs.
I tried to invoke, you know,

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and, and relate and connect to
the material.

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Then I might come up with some
things.

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I come up with my own melodies.
I come up with something on the

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spur of the moment.
When you're recording as you

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know, you know, you don't know.
I never know how I'm going to

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sing a song.
I might rehearse a song a

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certain way when I'm when I'm
learning the song.

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But then when I get the studio,
I sing something totally weird

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that I never even.
It just comes into my head at

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the last minute.
Oh, I'm talking about the

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process.
Sorry, I didn't mean to go.

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There no, but, but, but
everybody's process is

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different, man.
Like when, when how Mike and I

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would work, we kind of had a, a
different dynamic than you guys.

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We would, I would, I would bring
him a song, I'd write lyrics and

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I'd be like, hey, take this.
And Mike is the only guitar

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player, and I've said it 1000
times, that had the innate

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ability to take whatever I wrote
and match it musically and match

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that emotion and and the vibe
that I wanted it to be.

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And I already kind of had a
melody in my head.

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And nine times out of 10, what
he came up with my melody that I

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already had in my head would fit
it.

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I may have to just little pieces
here and there, right?

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Or the OR the length of a verse
or length of a chorus.

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But for the most part it it
literally it was like you said,

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Xander Nielsen.
You know, I'm not saying we're

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McCartney and Linen, but it's
just it kind of has that you got

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to have that Ying and Yang to
it, right?

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You got to have it's and it just
makes it that much more

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powerful, I think exactly when
you write the song and it comes

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across like the song you heard
when we started our show, we

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wrote that 30 years ago.
Wow.

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Right, right on.
And everybody who hears that,

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like, holy shit, that's 30 years
old.

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I know because it sounds like it
could be now.

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Yeah, and it was.
Just right, thank you that.

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He says that.
All that's why that's why I told

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Brian about, you know, if if I
had a song that I wrote three

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years ago, but if we hadn't, if
it's not recorded or if let's

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say the instruments are recorded
but not the vocal, then hey,

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it's brand new, dude.
Nobody's heard it, you know, And

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but what you're talking about,
you know, like writing kind of a

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big factor for me is vibe, you
know, if there's a guitar riff,

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it already kind of suggests so
much in your mind, you know, it

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puts you to imagery, time and
place.

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Imagery.
Yeah.

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And it might be one time or
place for me, and it might be a

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different time or place for
Brian.

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He's.
He's going to sing it.

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So if he runs with it for where
he's.

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At In fact, I don't want to know
what the songs are about, right,

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Right.
So I interpret it how I

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interpret it, and Dave
interprets it how he interprets

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it, and the audience will
interpret it how they interpret

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it.
And I'm not going to argue

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either way.
Yeah, that's always my example,

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25,000,000 might 25 million
people might hear a song and

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interpret it 12 and a half
million different ways, right?

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You're going to have repeats
over and over again.

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That's it.
Yeah, you don't want to.

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Yeah, you'll get some comment
now.

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To both of your points earlier,
everybody should be able to

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interpret the song that Chris
wrote or the song that you

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wrote, Brian, the way that the
at least the lyrics should be

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interpreted however they want,
right?

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That music invokes an emotion in
them that may be, it may have

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been happy in the songwriters
eyes and somehow now it's sad

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for this person.
That person should be able to

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feel however they want when they
listen to that song.

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That's the purpose of art,
right?

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It's no different than a
painting on a wall, especially

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an abstract painting somebody's
going to interpret.

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It. 1000 different ways.
Yeah, everybody watches their

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own movie.
Yeah.

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That's a great way of putting it
for sure.

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Absolutely.
Yeah, In fact, I've heard

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artists will sometimes comment
on what inspired them on a song,

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you know, like a nationally
known artist, and I'll go, where

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the hell did that come from
then?

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You know, like I had a
completely different idea.

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Right.
And.

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That's why I don't, that's why I
don't like when people share the

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the reasoning behind the song.
It takes the mystery away.

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Like we've Mike and I've talked
about it before that this 20

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years ago.
Up on your mic there. 30 years

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ago, like when we get when we
when, when you'd go to concerts,

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right, you didn't have the Mt VS
and shit.

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So, so you didn't know what the
band looked like aside from the

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from the from the vinyl jacket,
right, That's right.

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So then you go, you go to the
show, you know, and the lights,

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the lights go out, you know, and
then whatever they have intro

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then I mean, and you you can
remember this, the entire crowd

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with in in unison, just start
screaming.

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It's.
Because they know, right?

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The energy and the vibes that
I'm getting goosebumps now

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because it's just like you.
And you don't get that anymore.

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It's gone because social media
has destroyed all that.

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But that's right.
That's that thing, man.

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That's that you capture moment,
you know.

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You, you, Chris and Mike, and me
and Duvall here are very lucky

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that we grew up.
And when we he just made that

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point a few episodes back and it
just hit me like a ton of

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bricks.
I was like, he's so right.

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No, it's no generation again
will ever experience what he

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just they will not.
Yeah, they will not.

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And that's why we wanted to
have.

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I don't want to talk about that
too much, but I mean, it's,

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it's, you know, I, I, I don't do
a lot of social media.

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I, I don't, I, I like mystery.
If you destroy mystery with any

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band, I am, I think that's the
beginning of the end.

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So, you know, I, I don't mind.
Like this is fun.

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We're doing this thing and, and
we, we're, we're not trying to

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be, we're old enough to know who
we are.

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We're not trying to be somebody.
We're not.

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Yeah, Yeah, there isn't.
You know, I like ghosts and I

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like, you know, of course, you
know, Kiss and the Mötley Crüe

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and I grew up with Alice Cooper
and David Bowie.

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I like all those people.
But we don't need another one of

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those, No.
And so we're, we're not trying

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to be something we're not.
But we're still young enough to

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want to bring fun and romance
back to Rock'n'roll or have have

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00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,760
that in Rock and.
Roll and I can hear that in your

447
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,760
music for sure.
So you guys, if that was your

448
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,480
goal, subconsciously you've
succeeded.

449
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,200
And I know that, you know, from
2 musicians, when we're giving

450
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,400
out examples of who you sound
like, the main reason I give you

451
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,480
2 bands is because you really
don't sound like either one of

452
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,080
those bands.
But I feel it's a respect thing,

453
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:04,840
right?
Yeah.

454
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,840
Like if I have to say what genre
I'm going to put you in, I found

455
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,960
it odd when you said, hey, I met
in a Led Zeppelin tribute band.

456
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,400
And then you write a song that's
closer.

457
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,000
You know, you're writing songs
that are closer to that

458
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,760
mysterious kind of side of pop,
right?

459
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,640
That's the best way I can
describe it.

460
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,560
The Talking Heads are the best
version of pop.

461
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,880
The Romantics are the best
version of pop.

462
00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:32,280
The Pixies were the best version
of that sub pop culture right?

463
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,200
Yeah, the most exciting thing
about for me, when I heard the

464
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,240
songs for the first time when we
were just listening to demos

465
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:45,680
before I recorded vocals on
them, was I don't know how to

466
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,000
categorize these right?
And I and I and then my

467
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,480
heartbeat started getting a
little faster because I like

468
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,280
that.
We have a song that Dave has we

469
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,760
we recorded it.
It's not mastered yet, but it's

470
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,760
called Something's Wrong.
I think it would be closer to if

471
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,000
Led Zeppelin recorded an R&B
song.

472
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,080
It would be maybe like described
in that way.

473
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:15,240
But I'm excited to find out what
people think about these songs

474
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:21,360
because they are cross genre, I
would say, or genre bending, if

475
00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:22,760
you want to call it that.
You know what?

476
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,240
I mean, it kind of, yeah.
It kind of marries like there's

477
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:30,520
probably 44 main genres I would,
I would guess, you know, But

478
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,760
yeah, the R&B side we had
actually there, you know,

479
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,840
something's wrong with like a
slow, slow bluesy song,

480
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,920
something that almost Motown,
you know?

481
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,880
Yeah.
And it's, I don't know.

482
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,320
And it's a motion.
Yeah.

483
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,800
It's a four piece rock band
playing it.

484
00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:49,920
But yeah, you'll just have to
trust me on it has that vibe.

485
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,600
But then there's a that vibe,
Yeah, Anonymity, which is really

486
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,600
funky.
It's a funky song.

487
00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:58,840
I know what I wanted to say real
quick too.

488
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,200
Just back to the songwriting and
what the songs were about.

489
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,280
You know, we all know that
McCartney wrote Let it Be for

490
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,200
his mother.
OK, My favorite.

491
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,400
Songs Now one of my favorite
Beatles songs ever.

492
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:15,120
So there's so there's an example
of, you know, you it's almost

493
00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:18,280
like as a Beatles band, I wanted
to know what that was about.

494
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,200
And I and you get it, You can
get it.

495
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,360
But I mean, to hear Paul talk
about it and what it meant to

496
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:28,880
him, you know, you know, there,
there's that side too, which is

497
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:31,320
maybe perspective.
Paul McCartney gets away with

498
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,000
some things that other musicians
don't get away with, Right.

499
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,320
Did you guys ever see the
documentary that Dave Girl did

500
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,440
on Sound City?
That scene at the end I just

501
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,280
described to a friend of mine at
work where they're recording

502
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,120
that song.
And Dave Girl was like, jeez, I

503
00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:47,640
wish it was this easy all the
time.

504
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,800
And without missing a beat, Paul
McCartney says, what is, you

505
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:51,640
know?
Yeah, I know.

506
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,800
And Dave Girl's.
Yeah, if you're Paul fucking

507
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:59,000
McCartney, the rest of us mere
mortals, writing songs is a hard

508
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,680
process.
Paul.

509
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,320
Paul.
Doesn't exist in this universe.

510
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,600
So if you if you want to see
something really cool, if you

511
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,000
haven't already, watch Get Back.
Yeah, I watched it.

512
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,360
That series that Peter Jackson
did.

513
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,080
Yeah, it is on.
I've watched it 100 times.

514
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:21,480
Yeah, I love it.
What you're, I'm not going to

515
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,280
spoil it for anybody who hasn't
seen it, but what you will see

516
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,520
in that movie, regardless of
anything you've heard about The

517
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:33,040
Beatles, will all be proved
wrong in that in that show.

518
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,160
And it is eye opening.
And that is why I've watched it

519
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:42,520
so many times, because you see
one beetle and that beetle is

520
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,640
not from Earth.
And even the other three

521
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:53,080
acknowledge it and you can see
them looking at that beetle with

522
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:56,640
amazement.
And that is that is.

523
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,680
Anyway, I'll leave it at that.
You know, there's another thing

524
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,680
about McCartney that reminds me
of the whole you guys are

525
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,920
musicians, we're music, the
whole being a musician thing.

526
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,160
It's like, I think he was about
to go on stage, somebody had a

527
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,120
camera, you know, backstage.
And I thought to myself, you

528
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:19,640
know, he owns a frickin island.
But when he walks on that stage,

529
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:23,480
he's just another band member
and he's got play good.

530
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,240
He acts as such.
He's got hook up with the

531
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,320
drummer.
He's got a, you know, hook up

532
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,440
with the other guitar player.
He's got a singing key.

533
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,520
Can't be tired.
He can't be, you know, wasted.

534
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,800
And you know, you know, I mean,
he, he's got, he's in the same

535
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,520
boat we're all in when we step
on that stage and he he asked

536
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,520
for that.
He's not trying to prove

537
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:46,640
himself.
Oh, he's.

538
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,640
A good beat.
It is a great point.

539
00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:53,920
Yeah, I just saw he was, he was
just here in Oklahoma because we

540
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,200
now here in Tulsa, we now we
bought Oklahoma City has always

541
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:02,800
had a big arena for big acts
like like Paul McCartney or, or

542
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,400
the like.
But over the last 10 years we've

543
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,560
had to be OK center and and he's
been here several times.

544
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,720
But there's a video, I would
still do a little shout out.

545
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,160
There's a video.
He did a little selfie video and

546
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,440
he's, I think he's one of our
parks, you know, and he goes,

547
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:26,640
I'm here in Tulsa, OK.
It's middle of October, 80° Oh,

548
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:28,880
it's.
Bloody not Liverpool.

549
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,680
Yeah, it's it's because it was,
man.

550
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,280
We met some good weather, you
know?

551
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,120
Yeah.
But yeah, we got it, you know?

552
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,120
So Tulsa got put on the map a
little bit.

553
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,600
Well, I'll tell you something
that you just said, Brian,

554
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,320
before I forget that I never
really thought about either.

555
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,920
You made a good point for you
and Chris specifically.

556
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:52,600
You guys hear music before it
becomes a song, right?

557
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,800
And it's one thing that I've
always said that I came to terms

558
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:02,160
with real quick as a just
writing music is that the song

559
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:07,360
that I write as a musician is
never going to be what I present

560
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:13,000
to Chris as a lyricist, right?
He's going to change it to fit

561
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,840
the melody and the timing that
he requires for these certain

562
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,400
sections I came to.
I'm fascinated with the amount

563
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:26,600
of musicians who are just like,
so super glued, for lack of a

564
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,320
better term, to this structure,
right?

565
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,200
And I'm not changing it.
Yeah.

566
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,200
It's just such a you.
Know what the You know what?

567
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,880
The formality is so stupid.
You know what the formula is?

568
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,640
There ain't one.
Yeah.

569
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,720
Right.
Yeah, that's it.

570
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,760
That's.
It, I think Jerry Garcia said it

571
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,400
best, he said.
I bring a song to the dead and

572
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,600
it's never the same song that I
brought to him, but somehow it

573
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,120
always comes out better.
Good for him man.

574
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,040
Yeah, right, right.
Yeah, that is so true.

575
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,440
That's so important.
Yeah, our drummer told me that

576
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,600
quote and I, it just rattled
around in my head.

577
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,840
I'm like, yeah, just, you know,
present it to the guys and let

578
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,800
it be right.
Just let it breathe.

579
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,680
Yeah.
Become whatever it's going to

580
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,200
become.
It's that's it.

581
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,720
It is.
It's going to be whatever you

582
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,400
don't even imagine it's going to
be, you know, yeah, that's the

583
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:20,760
cool thing about what we do,
what we all do, you know, trying

584
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:27,520
to create and express and
phrase, you know, Chris, you

585
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,480
know, as a singer.
And you, it's phrasing.

586
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,320
Where, How, How?
What word do you choose that

587
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,280
sounds better?
That means something?

588
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,560
How long do you hold that ending
out?

589
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,000
What's going to start that
phrase?

590
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,680
All of that, all of that, how it
rolls off the tongue or is that

591
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,800
awkward?
Or do people even talk like

592
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,640
that?
Oh well, maybe, maybe they will

593
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,760
now.
The endings of his phrases

594
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,080
always grab me because they they
would lead me into something, or

595
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,960
they would lead the drummer into
something.

596
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:02,840
They would lead one of us into
these really cool parts, you

597
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,760
know?
He'd just be like, you know,

598
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,880
bear with me, check it out.
Here's what we, you know, can we

599
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,440
just, can we just extend that
out just a little bit further,

600
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,040
you know, and at the end, it
would always work.

601
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,600
It would.
Just you're so cool, you know,

602
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,880
you're creating, you're making
something up at the moment.

603
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,880
And then guess what?
If you're recording that, good

604
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,120
luck trying to duplicate it We.
Just talked.

605
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,080
That's that's, yeah.
That's how relevant this whole

606
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,720
thing is that we're doing right
here.

607
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,080
Chris and I were talking about
that before you guys got on

608
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,240
here.
I was like, I'm trying to

609
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,240
recreate a song, the one you
heard.

610
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,680
Yeah, that we were 30 years old,
30 years.

611
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,040
Yeah.
And I'm like, something's just

612
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,680
missing, you know, And I'm
hearing all these little nuances

613
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,680
that I did on the guitar.
Is a 22 year old just starting

614
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:48,600
out recording?
Yeah.

615
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,720
Like who's this guy?
I son of a bitch.

616
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,560
You got be careful.
I'm just going to say this.

617
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,840
Be careful.
Messing with something that was

618
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,120
good.
Yeah, already.

619
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,520
Yeah, I you know, I've heard so
many.

620
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,240
I.
Agree with you, but I don't have

621
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,560
any way to like that was
recorded on an 8 track that I

622
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,720
don't have the reels to anymore.
Yeah, absolutely.

623
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,840
No, yeah.
Oh, I ran the same thing, man.

624
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,360
Yeah, yeah.
Playing at home.

625
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,600
I use GarageBand on this very
iPad.

626
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,880
We're going to do the best we
can to make it sound like it did

627
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,360
back then.
I mean, I know it's going to be

628
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,360
different and I've come to terms
with that, but I just want to

629
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,920
capture enough of that original
magic, yeah.

630
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,360
Nemesis yeah, Nemesis is around
before before all of this

631
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,960
technology.
So the so the stuff we did with

632
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,960
some life circumstances and
whatnot, Mike lost all of the

633
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,640
catalog, all the recordings and
everything.

634
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,680
So what you hear are just random
things he has that legit was

635
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,200
recorded 30 years ago with HII
sang the vocals in his bathroom

636
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:54,120
to make.
My.

637
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,320
Apartment, right, it's and it's
still it still carries through,

638
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,800
but we want to be able to put
this stuff out.

639
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,920
We want to be oh, sure, you know
all the platforms for music,

640
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,240
right?
Absolutely, yeah.

641
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,800
Because some of us, yeah.
And that's the other thing that

642
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,880
I'm proud of as not only a
musician and a songwriter, but

643
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,320
the fact that you guys hear that
and you can appreciate what we

644
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,000
were trying to achieve.
I recorded all that too.

645
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,640
It's not like we went in a
studio.

646
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,760
You know, I, I did the best I
could with this microscopic

647
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,920
amount of like I knew enough to
get myself in trouble, right?

648
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,200
Chris is the one that came up
with the idea.

649
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,400
Hey, you know, I've recorded
some vocals in the bathroom and

650
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,920
I get good acoustics in there,
and it came out really cool.

651
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,160
Can we try it?
We can try whatever you want,

652
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,320
because I don't know what I'm
doing.

653
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:39,760
Right.
Yeah, right.

654
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:41,920
Yeah.
You know, I it turned out

655
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,720
outstanding.
I got to say that is true.

656
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,400
Before recording a home was so
convenient.

657
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,320
I remember like in other bands I
was in the past, I'd go to my

658
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,080
problem with musical ideas,
it's, it's only one little, like

659
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,480
the guitar is only one little
part of the equation, you know,

660
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,000
So I would have an idea concept
in my mind.

661
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,640
I'd go to band practice and hey
guys, what do you think about

662
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,040
this?
And play the guitar part.

663
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,760
And they just give me this dumb
look on their face, you know,

664
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,520
And so really.
Realize I need the rest of you

665
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,040
to make this happen, right?
That's like.

666
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,080
Yeah, so I kinda had to build
the whole concept of the song,

667
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,639
you know, bass and a drum beat
and some lyrical and my pitiful

668
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:24,199
singing or some or something.
Just a suggestion.

669
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,320
This is, you know.
You have no idea how profound

670
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,679
that statement is, Dave.
Helpful to do that.

671
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:33,600
Like working with Brian, he
could get an idea of like, well,

672
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:37,600
yeah, I could just initiate A
vibe, just a vibe, that's it.

673
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,480
But sometimes got to have a drum
beat and a bass, you know, and

674
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,520
and maybe a keyboard part or
something.

675
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,280
Too.
Well, here's a great example,

676
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,760
Dave.
I'm giving lessons to this guy

677
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:52,320
and you break down an ACDC song,
especially like, let's say, Gone

678
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,400
Shooting.
It's the same lick over and over

679
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,920
and over and and it doesn't
sound good until, you know,

680
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,440
Angus starts putting his little
nuances on top.

681
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,880
The song was designed to be a
certain way, and it needs both

682
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,120
guitar players, the bass, the
drums, the singer.

683
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,400
Do everybody doing their little
thing because there's so many,

684
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,960
what Chris likes to say, the
open space, you know, like you

685
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,520
need a field in the middle of
certain.

686
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,800
Yeah.
That song is a great example of

687
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,840
if you keep that lick cycling
going around, it's the coolest

688
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,960
thing ever.
But if you speed up or slow down

689
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,320
even ever so slightly, the train
falls off the tracks.

690
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,000
But it's a great example of what
you just said.

691
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,280
It's not really that great on
its own.

692
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,200
It takes the whole to, and that
was our goal was to make a song

693
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,920
not a great riff, not a great
lick, not a great vocal.

694
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,800
We wanted a great song.
You're baking a cake.

695
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:47,720
You're baking a.
Big.

696
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:51,120
Old, beautiful, best food you've
ever had in your life?

697
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:52,560
Cake.
You know, yeah.

698
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,680
And I think that's what gives
this legitimacy here.

699
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:01,200
Tequila in their limits.
I do, I do, but I'm probably

700
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,800
unique in that way.
Yeah, yeah.

701
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,880
That's funny.
Yeah, that's that's fun.

702
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,800
That's a good point though.
It takes all the ingredients to

703
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,040
make to bring the chemistry with
that to make it.

704
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,200
Work and you know I.
Think that's what makes this

705
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:22,240
podcast work is you know my
dream was we kind of fell into

706
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:25,280
the talking about addiction part
because Chris and I have that in

707
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,600
common.
But the one thing you.

708
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,440
Do I have that in common with
you all?

709
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,040
Congratulations, I feel.
I'm I'm 20, I'm 20 years sober.

710
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:38,400
Mike's about. 1518.
Outstanding, Outstanding.

711
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:41,520
I've lost a lot of friends.
I've lost a lot of friends.

712
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,440
I've never achieved what you
guys achieved.

713
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,600
Yeah, And that's why I lost.
That's why we do the ending the

714
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,520
way we do it, because we've lost
a lot of people along the way to

715
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:56,640
suicide and drug addiction.
And absolutely, the point of the

716
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,840
point I was going to make is the
musician side.

717
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,160
You're never going to get
musicians to truly open up to

718
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,400
you on a podcast, interview,
show, whatever you want to call

719
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,360
it, unless they know you've been
there, right?

720
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,960
The reason that we can talk like
we've known each other for 30

721
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,720
years like Chris and I have, is
we've all been doing the same

722
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:18,480
thing for that same amount of
time, right?

723
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,680
That's right.
We understand the blood, sweat

724
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,880
and tears that went into your
struggle, just like you

725
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,200
understand ours.
All the, all the Spinal Tap

726
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,800
moments, yeah.
Yeah.

727
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,600
I've had too many.
Forgot about that.

728
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:40,480
You know, it's bands like we
could make 5 Spinal Tap sequels,

729
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,680
man.
I had Spinal Tap moments before

730
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:48,080
Spinal Tap was spinal.
Give us give us your best one

731
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,920
that you.
Totally understand it.

732
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What's your what's your Mike

733
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,560
wants to Mike wants to know your
best Spinal Tap moment, Brian.

734
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:57,960
Oh my God.
Oh, I got one.

735
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,440
I got one that's got student.
Yeah, I want, well, we want both

736
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:01,840
your Spinal Tap moments, but
we'll go.

737
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,640
Back first.
Well, one of those jumps.

738
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:07,120
Bouncing up and.
You know guys, you know, you get

739
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:12,040
side about the music and and
bouncing up and down and then

740
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,120
crash.
I go through the stage, I'm

741
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,160
about to be hit right in the
middle of a panel, you know,

742
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:24,680
particle board panel, you know,
and yeah, this is this one

743
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,160
happens like we're in, we're in
Oklahoma, but we're in the city

744
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,960
of Tulsa, if you get outside of
Tulsa.

745
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,320
Take a look.
Underneath the stage before you

746
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,840
go jumping on it a.
Whole lot I.

747
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,280
I.
Have too many, you know, my

748
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:45,560
ADHD, my ADHD brain is hardwired
for catastrophe.

749
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:49,920
So so I have a thing and I had a
manager that used to tell me

750
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:50,880
this.
He goes, what are you doing in

751
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,920
this video right here?
Like a live footage of a video.

752
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,880
I'm standing on stage with my
back to the audience, to the

753
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,680
drummer, and I'm look,
discovering that I have a price

754
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,120
tag on my shirt or my coat.
And for some reason I'm fixated

755
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,320
on it.
And I'm totally forgetting that

756
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,080
I'm in front.
I'm performing in front of an

757
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,160
audience.
I'm like, oh, by the way, Oh,

758
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,520
yeah, this is a nice Christian
Dior 999.

759
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,520
I paid for that.
What are you in my brain?

760
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,280
This is what going.
Through my brain I would

761
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,160
appreciate.
People go, what do you think

762
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,120
about when you're on stage?
I'm like, dude, you don't want

763
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,880
to go there.
I don't even, I, I don't have, I

764
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,080
can't even, I can't even talk
about about it because it's like

765
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,960
I can't even hardly talk about.
It see, that's the benefit of

766
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,960
that's the benefit of how Mike
and I would write our music

767
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,680
because every song I wrote was,
was a timestamp of a point in my

768
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,160
life, right?
So whatever song we were

769
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,080
playing, I was in that moment in
my life, whatever it was.

770
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,560
So that's where that's always
where my thoughts were, what

771
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,720
that song was about.
It was my thing was between

772
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:47,520
songs and like we would come out
and play 3 songs back-to-back to

773
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,040
back, not say a word to the
crowd.

774
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,720
And then once you finish the
third song, the crowd's just

775
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:53,280
like hair blown back, like holy
shit.

776
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,520
Then I would say something.
But to me it was always, I don't

777
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,440
want to be that cheesy guy.
How's everybody doing tonight at

778
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,120
Phoenix, right?
You know, cuz I mean, thanks for

779
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,000
coming to do that, right?
So.

780
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,480
What to do?
What not to do?

781
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,560
Right, so that was my only weird
thing of don't ask what I'm

782
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,600
doing on stage cuz then I would
start thinking what what do I

783
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,080
say tonight, you know?
I know exactly.

784
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,280
No, I, I guess, I mean, I'm
going to answer the question

785
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,200
now.
The biggest Spinal Tap moment

786
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,240
that I ever had.
It's a little bit emotional, but

787
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:21,440
I'm not going to get emotional
because it's a happy ending.

788
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,440
But real quick, I was playing on
stage with a guitar player who I

789
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,640
could tell was not right before
he got on stage and he literally

790
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,240
died.
Oh fuck.

791
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:33,520
This was a two night gig that we
were playing.

792
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,800
No.
This was this was Friday night.

793
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,240
He died.
He literally died for a few

794
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:39,160
minutes.
Wow.

795
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:45,040
The next day, the next night he
was very much alive and he

796
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,400
played the best show we've ever
played.

797
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,480
Don't ask me how, I can't
explain it.

798
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:56,200
It's like he was, he had a Keith
Richards moment and it was

799
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,440
unbelievable.
We went to like the worst show

800
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,360
we ever did to the best show we
ever did.

801
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,520
So that's just crazy.
But that happened.

802
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:07,120
That actually is a true story.
And he never found out why he.

803
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:08,880
Oh yeah, he did.
No, we did.

804
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:09,960
Yeah.
We, we, we knew.

805
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:10,880
Yeah, we knew.
Yeah.

806
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,160
Right, Kenneth?
That's a whole nother chapter,

807
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,040
another probably another show
for another show.

808
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,320
But but I you know you, I could
tell that.

809
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,000
Apparently I'm not awake yet.
He had a Keith Richards moment.

810
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,280
I'm with you.
We're all on the same page, no?

811
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,240
Even me, I know I you.
Guys were there.

812
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:26,920
I caught up.
Yeah, yeah, this is.

813
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,920
But we've had many, I'm sure
between the two of us, me and

814
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,120
Duval, we can talk about Spinal
Tap my.

815
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,120
Funniest one was years ago when
I was a kid.

816
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:43,120
We're showing up some bar guess
I was here in Tulsa anyway and

817
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:48,000
we're loading in and there's
this chick on the phone and and

818
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,320
she and she's talking on phone
and she's not really looking at

819
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,240
us.
She go Vance here.

820
00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:59,120
So we're going to leave.
Keep that in there.

821
00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:02,120
Awesome.
I'll tell you my best one and

822
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,040
and it was the as a guitar
player, it was embarrassing and

823
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,000
Dave will appreciate this.
I knew I picked the right three

824
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,800
guys because my main guitar got
stolen.

825
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,920
I got another guitar that had a
floating tremelo on it, right?

826
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,480
It had a Floyd Rose that
floated.

827
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,480
And I didn't realize that when
you broke a string that your

828
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,400
entire guitar went out of tune
because I had never experienced

829
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,880
that before.
And we're on stage right in the

830
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:32,480
middle of playing vision, which
is, you know, guitar driven.

831
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,160
It needs the guitar right before
I go to play the solo, pop the

832
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,200
string, it's all out of tune.
I run backstage.

833
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,920
These guys carry on like
warriors.

834
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:45,440
I mean, the crowd went crazy
because Chris, Chris stepped up

835
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,080
and just, you know, became the
the man of the hour.

836
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,120
But it taught me something.
Number one, you got to have at

837
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:56,400
least one backup guitar.
Yeah. #2 to block that thing

838
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,240
off, because I rarely pull that
bar back, you know?

839
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:02,760
The show must go on and.
See and see and see.

840
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,240
That goes back to what we talked
about earlier, the chemistry and

841
00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:07,480
connection.
Because if we didn't have that,

842
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:10,880
they wouldn't understand that I
had the ability of the improv,

843
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,680
whatever song I was doing,
right?

844
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,600
So I could take vision where
wherever I wanted to take it

845
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,760
during the time it took him to
replace that string.

846
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:19,880
And it doesn't, it doesn't miss
a beat.

847
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,320
Now, if you've seen this before,
you're like, well, this is

848
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,240
different.
Where's Mike?

849
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,640
But if it's the first time, you
if the first time you had.

850
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,120
Everybody stop that plane and
looks looks for Mike.

851
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,960
Right, but if that's the.
Worst case scenario.

852
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,520
Yeah, right.
But if you hadn't seen this

853
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,400
before, then you're just
thinking, OK, this is the

854
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:35,800
singer.
He's just going off on a

855
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,040
tangent.
Yeah, there you go.

856
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,320
You know what I mean?
So it.

857
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,160
Yeah, Yeah.
So the dynamic of it works.

858
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,280
And that guitar player?
Must have a drug problem.

859
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,480
He's been back there a while.
You know, but that's the, that's

860
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,480
the, that's the dynamic you need
for a band.

861
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,120
That's where you go back.
You can have, you can have, you

862
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,080
can have the four greatest
musicians, like you said in the

863
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,560
world standing on stage.
But if they don't have that, if

864
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,240
they're not connected.
Or worse yet, somebody gets

865
00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:01,920
pissed right at me because I
didn't prepare.

866
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,040
These guys knew my guitar got
stolen.

867
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,360
I didn't have a choice.
I was lucky to have the one that

868
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,080
I had at the time because we're
all poor as shit back then, you

869
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,600
know?
Oh yeah, man.

870
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,560
So Chris, what is yours?
We haven't heard your Spinal

871
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,040
Tap.
Yeah, you know, yeah, OK, it was

872
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,120
probably.
Your theatre moment, wasn't it?

873
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,880
Well, well, I'm gonna go this
way.

874
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,960
I'm gonna go this one.
So, so we were opening up.

875
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,760
I think it was the Marshall
Tucker Band show.

876
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,200
Oh, I love Marshall Tucker.
Band so, so and, and so our so

877
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,800
we were opening up for them and
and we were at the ballroom,

878
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:38,040
which is about which probably
about 2500 some odd people like,

879
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,000
you know, a lot of a lot of
bands came through there.

880
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,760
So I'm I'm never I'm nervous
before a show, but I'm not

881
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:44,840
nervous like I'm going to throw
up.

882
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,040
It's that anxious energy, right,
Brian, you get that, like you're

883
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,400
ready to go, you know, you,
you're turning on the switch,

884
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,160
You know, I call it the iron dog
when I go on stage, It's it's a

885
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,080
different personality.
So I'm pacing back and forth and

886
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,560
and Mike's tuning his guitar and
and Williams doing his thing and

887
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,200
Mike always had a cigarette in
his fret, right.

888
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,880
So, and I wasn't a big smoker
because singer, but I'm like,

889
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,520
Oh, that'll help me kind of
chill out a bit.

890
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,560
So I grabbed the cigarette and
you know, you know, nice and

891
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,960
hail and, you know, put it back
couple.

892
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,440
Times he hit it.
Yeah, like, OK, this is cool.

893
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:15,720
You know, it's kind of bring me
down a bit.

894
00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:17,040
I'm still anxious, I'm still
pumped.

895
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,840
We go out, bust out our first 3
songs and I'm about to in the

896
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,960
middle of the second song, I'm
like, like, you know, whoa, man,

897
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,120
like this is this is OK, this is
cool.

898
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,800
And I'm like, I always had a
shot of Jaeger and a Budweiser

899
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,680
before the show.
That was the extent of it,

900
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,800
right?
So I'm thinking there's no,

901
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,480
there's no way the Jaeger and
the butt are doing this to me.

902
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,440
There's just no way.
So I'm you know, we're we're

903
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,600
jamming out and I'm just I'm in
this pocket, man that I just are

904
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:43,760
you supposed to?
I can't.

905
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,920
See the sounds, man?
Right, right.

906
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,480
And I've never been in this
pocket before live, so I'm just

907
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,240
thinking I'm in the groove, man.
This is one of those the all the

908
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:53,920
rock gods are lined up.
This is just going to be one of

909
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,880
those shows that just fucking
stellar.

910
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,640
Yeah.
So, you know, play the show.

911
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,960
Great show, great response from
the crowd and shit, next day we

912
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,320
go to practice.
I'm a practice and and I'm I'm

913
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,160
explaining this to Mike and he's
just sitting there kind of

914
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,080
fucking laughing, chuckling
under his breath, looks over

915
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,280
Scott.
He's like, dude.

916
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,840
My drummer and I had the best
time that night.

917
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,440
I'm sure.
But you have this neighbor that

918
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,600
could take a Marlboro cigarette,
take the tobacco out and put

919
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,800
marijuana in it.
So he mixes the marijuana, the

920
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,720
Marlboro, right with marijuana.
And I haven't smoked.

921
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,920
I haven't smoked pot in years,
man.

922
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:34,120
So I hit this thing twice and I
inhale it and I'm fucking like,

923
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:39,200
I'm not like wacky, but but that
was that was as close as I can

924
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,240
get to like a Spinal Tap moment
because it's like you didn't you

925
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:44,120
didn't realize what the fuck
happened.

926
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,800
But after the fact, it's like
the show because you feel the

927
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,120
music, right?
You just, everything's just kind

928
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,480
of like you're just into it even
more than you always are.

929
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,840
Things elevated, Yeah.
So seeing the sky.

930
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,960
Yeah, yeah.
So that would be my closest

931
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,560
Spinal Tap moment for.
Sure.

932
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,040
I so wish that show was
recorded.

933
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,120
Yeah, because it probably, we
probably did things that night

934
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,000
that we never did again.
Yeah, right.

935
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,600
I know.
And some of them are probably

936
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,600
really amazing moments.
You never know for sure.

937
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,400
Nuggets in there, you know, you
just don't know So, but I, you

938
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:22,120
know, I, I personally, I have
now realized now that I feel and

939
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:27,880
I've always felt more at home on
stage than I ever have in any

940
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:32,000
house I've ever lived in.
And I think that it's easy.

941
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,360
That part is easy for me, that
doing that stuff is easy.

942
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,800
That's like the easy part.
You know what I tell people,

943
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,040
Dave?
That's funny They because if you

944
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,680
know me, I'm pretty introverted
until you get to know me,

945
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,520
extremely introverted till you
get to know me.

946
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,480
But I could get up on stage
right now in front of 6000

947
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,800
people and play my guitar.
And the first question that

948
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,120
people ask me is how can you do
that?

949
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,680
And then I immediately make them
laugh and say, because I don't

950
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,080
have to say anything, right?
Yeah.

951
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,760
I know what I'm saying.
With a guitar in my hands, you

952
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,080
can know what my emotions are.
Dave will say the same thing.

953
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,360
You know how Dave and I feel
just by listening to us play?

954
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:08,960
Yeah.
If we're sad, it's going to

955
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,560
sound sad.
If we're happy, it's going to

956
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,000
sound happy, right?
Yeah, it comes out, man.

957
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,800
It comes out.
Yeah, I I think music for me is

958
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,760
easy.
Life has been tough.

959
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:18,320
Thank you.
Yeah.

960
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,200
Hey, man.
Yeah, yeah, that's a that's a

961
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,000
thing, yeah.
Getting on stage and and, and,

962
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,800
and some confidence, you know,
like play, like don't especially

963
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,240
talking about like singing, not
having to sing, play guitar.

964
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:34,720
There's something I can do, you
know, I don't see how Brian can

965
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:36,480
do it, but.
That's what they got.

966
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,040
That's where they become another
person, right?

967
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,040
Like Chris said, he becomes
another person.

968
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,680
If you, Dave or Brian, said it
earlier, you know, people ask me

969
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:51,120
what I think about on stage.
I have to say, as another joke,

970
00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:53,920
I don't really know how to play
guitar because I can't tell you

971
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,680
why I can do what I can do,
right?

972
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,720
It just happens.
And I'm so blessed that I can do

973
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:01,280
that.
But I've never been egotistical

974
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,160
about it because I really don't
understand why I was given this

975
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,760
gift.
I just use it, right?

976
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,160
Yeah.
There's things I can do on a

977
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,520
guitar that turn people's heads
and they turn my head as well,

978
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:13,520
right?
It's like, wow, how did that

979
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:14,800
just happen?
That's so cool.

980
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,000
I love that.
Sound, it's it's interesting.

981
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:22,400
I did a, I have a degree in
theater and music and I had the

982
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,880
opportunity to work with, I had
the opportunity to work with

983
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,160
Martin Scorsese 4 years ago when
they were filming Killers of the

984
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,840
Flower Moon.
I had AI had a small part in

985
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,920
that.
Well, it actually had a bigger

986
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,160
part that got edited out.
But anyway, the what I got a few

987
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:42,440
minutes with him and a very few
minutes with him and I realized

988
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,640
that he was at Woodstock.
That was his first film as an

989
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,880
AD, and I was at Woodstock as a
4 1/2 year old kid that was

990
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,040
kidnapped.
Yeah, that was kidnapped by my.

991
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,760
Well, now I'm aging myself.
OK, audience out there, you can

992
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:56,240
figure.
Out.

993
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:01,000
But but I yeah, I was kidnapped
by my hippie uncle for about a

994
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,040
week.
We went to Woodstock.

995
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:07,080
But anyway, the conversation, he
finally ended it with OK, OK,

996
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,000
OK, OK.
So what you're telling me is

997
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,080
that, you know, you've been
pretending to be other people

998
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:16,160
your whole life.
We had a music conversation and

999
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,600
I did a lot of journaling about
that.

1000
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:24,720
And so when people say to me,
what are you on what persona?

1001
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:26,960
I said, I don't, I don't.
I can't tell you that.

1002
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:31,080
I can't answer that because I
might be playing a part, but

1003
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,040
it's also.
Who I am, that's me.

1004
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:39,480
It's the ultimate of who I am
that I can't talk about like.

1005
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,040
No, yeah.
That's why on my Facebook page

1006
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,680
it says music isn't what I do,
it's who I am.

1007
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,120
Right, it is.
It's who I am.

1008
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:53,240
It's probably many different
personas that make up who I am.

1009
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,120
So at any given night, you don't
know what you're going to get.

1010
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,440
But yeah, what you're talking
about going on stage and feeling

1011
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,480
confident.
Yeah, Mike was that's, I think

1012
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:12,000
for some reason there's
something comes out like, like a

1013
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,320
lot of people, you know, get
nervous.

1014
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:19,560
Well, what's so funny is, man,
this is kind of stupid but kind

1015
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,520
of a story.
But once I had to give up at

1016
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,560
work, where I work my day job, I
had to just, I had to introduce

1017
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,080
somebody.
And so I just, all I had to do

1018
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:33,640
was just read this paragraph
and, and, and if I ate my

1019
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,480
freaking lunch, man, like, like,
you know, for I got to read

1020
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,000
this, you know, I'll have just
read this.

1021
00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:43,040
Whereas, you know, at the time,
you just like any other time,

1022
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,640
you know, I had 2-3 shows that
week and, you know, getting up

1023
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,120
and playing guitar for three
hours no problem, you know, and

1024
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,480
but in front of a bunch of
strangers, but getting up and

1025
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,320
just reading a paragraph, you
know, about.

1026
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,520
I was a nervous wreck.
And then I realized, yeah, it

1027
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,200
it's just a whole different part
of your personality.

1028
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,520
Yeah, I know Christian.
I think like Brian, his whole

1029
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:13,640
self is a is a vocalist, a
singer, actor and and his whole

1030
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,040
persona is what he carries on
the stage.

1031
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,360
Well, that's the thing that
those two have in common is

1032
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,640
Chris is the same way.
He's a trained theater guy.

1033
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,000
He went to school for it.
He acted, did, did a lot of

1034
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,000
theater.
The one thing that he did that

1035
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,200
brought me out of my shell, I
had a couple advantages.

1036
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,640
My day job, I got involved with
the union and I had to go talk

1037
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,320
to people on a daily basis,
right?

1038
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,240
So that helped a lot.
But then getting on here, he

1039
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:43,200
noticed right away he's like,
you know, I can't do everything

1040
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,600
or it's going to be my show.
It's like you, this was your

1041
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:46,760
idea.
You got to come out of your

1042
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,920
shell a little bit.
You're talking to me, man.

1043
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,000
You know, we've known each other
for 30 years.

1044
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,000
You're talking to me.
You're not talking to the world.

1045
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,440
You're not talking to anybody
else.

1046
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,720
It just that rattled around in
my head.

1047
00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:59,640
I'm like, OK, I'm just going to
focus on talking to my brother,

1048
00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:01,800
you know?
I think I was telling Chris that

1049
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,600
the other day.
When that's it, like what are we

1050
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,600
going to talk?
Or I was talking about what are

1051
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:10,320
we going to talk about?
I go for a musician get

1052
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:11,400
together.
It's just fun.

1053
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,560
But that's, that's the thing.
That's what I told you, though.

1054
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,160
I said we're just going to,
we're going to introduce the

1055
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:16,320
show, we're going to introduce
you guys.

1056
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,280
All right, then we're just going
to let the conversation go where

1057
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:19,960
it goes.
And here we are 53 minutes into

1058
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,400
it.
That's the thing, though.

1059
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,520
But that's the that's that's the
thing.

1060
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,320
People don't understand how much
a conversation is so much more

1061
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,440
appealing than an interview.
Yeah, Yeah.

1062
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,000
Interviews are boring.
Hi, Brian.

1063
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,560
How long have you been singing?
Well, Chris, that.

1064
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,680
Was the only hard, fast rule I
had.

1065
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,280
You know, at the beginning I'm
like, dude, I don't want this to

1066
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,320
become a radio show.
I don't want it to become an

1067
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,800
interview show.
I want the best way I could

1068
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,600
describe it was this is our
playground.

1069
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,480
This is the after band practice
conversations that I loved more

1070
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,880
than anything to this day ever,
right?

1071
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,920
We would talk about is there
fucking aliens in the world to

1072
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:59,240
solving the governmental
financial price crisis, right?

1073
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,040
You know, just talk about
anything and everything.

1074
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,560
And those were some of my
favorite conversations because

1075
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,640
in my opinion, these were some
of the smartest people I ever

1076
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,800
got to be around, right?
They're musicians.

1077
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:12,680
Sure.
And the cool thing about that is

1078
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,800
the music and the songs that I
was able to come up with from

1079
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,320
those conversations.
I wrote a song called Losing All

1080
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,160
the Madness because of post band
conversations about the chaos in

1081
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,960
the world.
And it's just then you started

1082
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,600
pulling headlines out from from
different things like, oh shit,

1083
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,680
this, this goes along with what
we were just talking about last

1084
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,200
week.
So those those just normal

1085
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,760
everyday conversations have
power if you just let them be

1086
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,200
organic and let them grow and
take their own course.

1087
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,240
So him and I were like, what if
we turned that into a podcast,

1088
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,760
right?
So it's, it's great.

1089
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,360
I, you know, that's just
brilliant.

1090
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,480
It's what you just said.
I don't know why I thought I,

1091
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,920
I'm saying this, but I, you
know, I've never looked at

1092
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:56,560
myself as a musician, right?
I, I've always looked at myself

1093
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:02,840
as a, a singer and I get to play
with really talented musicians.

1094
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,160
I tried to tell.
Himself.

1095
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:05,920
To.
Same way.

1096
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,560
I can play.
You guys are both.

1097
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:12,480
Wrong with Yeah, I played piano,
I played guitar, I played

1098
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,760
instrument, I played drums.
But I don't.

1099
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,480
I'm not very good at those by
the way.

1100
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:17,920
Let me let me tell you why
you're wrong.

1101
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:21,160
OK?
I, I hate to disagree with

1102
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,080
anybody, but it's a positive
reason for why you are both

1103
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,640
wrong.
And Chris agreed with me when I

1104
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,880
told him this the first time.
And I know Dave's going to agree

1105
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:35,320
with me because without you guys
standing up there, there's no

1106
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,080
fucking band.
It's just an instrumentalist,

1107
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:39,560
right?
Where it's a drummer and a bass

1108
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,920
player and a guitar player and a
keyboard and however many

1109
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,880
musicians you got.
But the audience didn't come to

1110
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,760
see an instrumental band.
They came to see Chris perform

1111
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,920
his lyrics and they came to see
Brian perform his lyrics.

1112
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,200
That's the reason they came to
the show.

1113
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,560
And as long as you guys, as
Chris likes to say, doesn't have

1114
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,840
lead singer disease, everything
works, right?

1115
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,720
Yeah, a lot of front men that
just.

1116
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,160
They let that power of.
Without me, there's no band go

1117
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:09,200
to their head.
I was so.

1118
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,040
Axel Rose.
Axel Rose.

1119
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,480
Yes, I'm sure I'm guilty of lead
singer moments.

1120
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,920
Lead singer Disease.
LSD, brother.

1121
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,760
And the year that I've known
this guy, he probably could have

1122
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:29,720
strangled me several times.
Oh, but, but the beauty, the

1123
00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:35,280
beauty of it is, is that once
you have a bond with somebody,

1124
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:39,720
and he's like my Big Brother
that I never had, we can say

1125
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:44,960
anything to each other, anything
as hideous as it is.

1126
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,120
That's why I.
Picked up to do this with.

1127
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,080
Ryan, I'm sorry for.
Yeah, smart enough.

1128
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,400
He'll he laughed at it.
He'll call me and and say, man,

1129
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,120
I'm sorry.
I'll call him and say sorry and

1130
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,160
he'll be like for what?
Yeah.

1131
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,000
I mean, it was, it was this big
production in my head and.

1132
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,680
Him and I both had those
moments.

1133
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,000
So it's it's like, OK, that's
true.

1134
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:05,640
Never mind.
Yeah.

1135
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,160
I love you.
Yeah.

1136
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,360
The weird dichotomy that Chris
and I have is I'm an empath.

1137
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:16,480
That's where my gift came from.
I get and he always professes

1138
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,120
that he's not.
So a lot of times I'll call him

1139
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:20,720
up and I'll be like, dude, I'm
sorry.

1140
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,600
And he?
I am a super.

1141
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,200
For what?
And I'm like, I was in a shit

1142
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,400
mood the other day, I didn't
notice.

1143
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,560
That I dude, I'm a super empath.
I I feel like I'm a super

1144
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:31,320
empath.
Me too.

1145
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,280
Yeah, if you're an empath, I'm
a.

1146
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,680
Separate empath.
OK, then we're in the same boat

1147
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,760
because I feel other people's
emotions.

1148
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:43,760
I'm an ADHD supercharged empath
so I have to be taken down

1149
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,720
notches, probably more than you
know I would like to admit.

1150
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:52,920
You know, I tell you, music is
it brings us the best to be, but

1151
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,440
brings us the worst.
I wouldn't say brings us worse.

1152
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,960
It's not you bringing out bad
sides.

1153
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,280
Music it music is.
It's such an artistic challenge.

1154
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,680
There's no right or wrong, you
know.

1155
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,120
It's learning to deal with those
emotions that Brian and I were

1156
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:09,920
just talking about.
You're just putting it into

1157
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,520
words, Dave.
It's learning to deal with those

1158
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,680
emotions as they come to you.
Right?

1159
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,480
Yeah.
Because sometimes, like Brian

1160
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,360
said, it's so much information
all at once.

1161
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,040
You're like, I can't.
I'm just, I'm one fucking

1162
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:24,320
person, right?
Yeah.

1163
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,160
How can I?
How can I process all this shit

1164
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:28,960
right now?
I'm still dying, I'm still

1165
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:29,720
learning.
Me too.

1166
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,880
Brother, me too, every day.
Yeah.

1167
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:33,840
And if you guys?
Fail all the time.

1168
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,960
So if.
No matter what Brian says, he's

1169
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,640
a great team player.
I think we all are because we

1170
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,320
know our limitations.
I will load gear.

1171
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:43,800
Me too.
I load gear.

1172
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:45,720
He did, too.
I load gear.

1173
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,480
Anyone went in, they had a
hernia once and.

1174
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:49,880
I didn't.
I wouldn't load gear.

1175
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:53,760
I'd load gear.
Nobody.

1176
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,400
No, that's that's the thing.
You ever now, Brian, you can

1177
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,000
agree with this because you're a
singer like I am.

1178
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,600
You have to have an eager to do
what we do.

1179
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,440
You absolutely have to have an
ego to step on stage. 100% how

1180
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:05,640
how many, how many thousands of
people?

1181
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:09,240
Or you know, 10 people.
Because if you, you got to own

1182
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,080
your space.
What's the example I always

1183
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:12,840
give?
Nobody wants to hear Chris get

1184
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,360
up there and go, hey, thank you
for coming out on a Saturday.

1185
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,080
We're we're going to have a big
party that's going to be.

1186
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,600
Great, you just said.
You know it is it's holy ground.

1187
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,880
Right.
You're talking about it's sacred

1188
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,920
territory and it's, it's how
I've always felt about it, even

1189
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,400
as a kid.
I, I I made a deal with myself

1190
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:37,160
when I was seven years old that
I would never get on a stage if

1191
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:41,120
I wasn't 110% in it.
Yeah.

1192
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:45,160
If I'm trying to fake it, if I
know I'm not going to hit that

1193
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:49,480
high a note in Green Manalishi
or, you know, whatever I'm

1194
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:55,640
doing, I, I don't know that I
could get on stage because I

1195
00:59:55,640 --> 01:00:00,920
can't fake it like that.
I have to be pretending that Rob

1196
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:02,760
Halford's going to be in the
audience.

1197
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,160
And if he's in the audience and
he hears me sing Green

1198
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:10,400
Manalishi, I want Rob to cry in
a good way.

1199
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:15,280
I don't want Rob to leave going.
That sucks, you know.

1200
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:18,720
I always.
Have thought of the audience as

1201
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:22,000
being who's in the audience.
You don't know who's going to be

1202
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,480
there.
Even on your off night, you got

1203
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,680
to be good.
We only had one rule, Brian, and

1204
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,880
that was that we got up there
and played like it was the last

1205
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,480
gig we were ever going to play.
There you go.

1206
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,800
We knew that someday it was
going to be right.

1207
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,920
Nothing lasts forever.
We hope it went on for 30 years.

1208
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:39,880
You could die on stage.
Absolutely.

1209
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:46,000
You know what I always thought
too is like Tulsa it it for It's

1210
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,360
not a big city, you know, but
for some reason it's just a lot

1211
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,240
of great guitar players here.
It's probably like that

1212
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:57,240
everywhere, I'm sure, but but
you know, I often think, you

1213
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:01,240
know, guys talk about like
thinking about the the different

1214
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,960
guys that going out playing
tonight, you know, like how do I

1215
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:08,080
go on stage and do my thing?
You know, when, when Steve Pryor

1216
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,400
or somebody, you know, these
other guys are so, so awesome.

1217
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:12,440
You know, they're playing
tonight.

1218
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:18,840
And my, my approach to that is,
is was he's not here tonight.

1219
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,440
You know I am so.
That's how you have.

1220
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:23,920
To throw it down for these
people.

1221
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,120
And actually, there's the, the
truth of that is from the

1222
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:32,280
audience perspective, nobody
else is there but you, you know,

1223
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,400
and, and your bandmates.
I'll tell you one.

1224
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,800
Of my so it doesn't really
matter how killer you know some

1225
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:41,480
other bands fact more great
bands around the batter that's.

1226
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:45,160
Funny you say that.
That night, that moment, is

1227
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,040
yours, you know.
Take it.

1228
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,760
I'll tell you a funny moment
that is bright.

1229
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,480
It just triggered a memory.
We were playing at the Mason Jar

1230
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:56,360
one night and I got off stage
and you know, one of the moments

1231
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,360
where it's like I got a piss
right now, so set my guitar

1232
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,480
down, went in the bathroom and
of course, you know, then the

1233
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,480
audience starts coming in
because the show is over.

1234
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:05,760
Yeah.
This guy's standing right next

1235
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:09,360
to me, drunk as fuck.
Of course, God bless him.

1236
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:14,880
He looks over and he says a
fucking great guitar playing

1237
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,120
dude.
Fucking you're, you're a

1238
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:21,040
shredder, man.
Fucking lose that belt as gay as

1239
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,880
fuck.
I was wearing one of those

1240
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,840
studded belts like Judas Priest
used to wear, you know, because

1241
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,560
I thought it was cool and I
still stand by it was cool.

1242
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,760
And I was like, man.
I said if that's the best you

1243
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,760
got, man, OK, You said I was a
great guitar player and that's

1244
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,080
why I was here so.
I love you, man.

1245
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,400
Yeah, yeah.
I just said, hey, thanks for

1246
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,520
coming out and buying a ticket.
We appreciate your support.

1247
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,720
So, so, so that's a, that's a
good segue to what I want to ask

1248
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,200
you guys.
So, so David, David, I want to

1249
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,320
know who your top three favorite
guitar players are of all time.

1250
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:53,160
Oh.
Thank you.

1251
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:58,520
Wow, OK, I'd have to say now,
now, all right, a lot of people,

1252
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:02,080
a lot of guitar players that
argue with me, you know, but but

1253
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:06,880
I I'm kind of come from the like
kind of old school.

1254
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,680
It's tough guitar player because
I'm set.

1255
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,240
I work so much on creating
songs.

1256
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,920
Yeah, but all right, let's just
talk about guitar player, not

1257
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,200
necessarily songs, you know?
Yeah.

1258
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:22,800
As far as guitar playing, Jimmy
Page, Stevie Ray Vaughan and and

1259
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:28,760
then Mick Taylor in the Stones
lineup and now Eddie Van Halen,

1260
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,680
obviously, you know, great
player and.

1261
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,360
I love.
This and and even, you know,

1262
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,880
Clapton.
I learned, yeah, you just hit a

1263
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:37,120
couple of Mike's favorites.
Too.

1264
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:41,000
So you speak our language?
Which ones were your favorites,

1265
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,160
Mike?
Stevie Ray for sure.

1266
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,880
Jimmy Page, obviously those.
Are Mike and.

1267
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:47,680
Eddie.
You know it.

1268
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:51,360
Blues don't really turn.
Out a whole lot in in the songs,

1269
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:55,800
you know that we we do that we
write and that we, you know,

1270
01:03:55,800 --> 01:04:02,560
that we play in Duval, but it's,
it's, it's there, you know, it's

1271
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:04,320
there.
I think there's, there's a few.

1272
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,080
I think some of the phrasing in
the solos.

1273
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:10,240
I think like Stevie Ray was just
so expressive.

1274
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,040
Yeah, yeah, you know, he's like
he's having a conversation and

1275
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:15,880
thinking of it.
This is phrasing like.

1276
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaking of empaths.
Or every egg notes was a musical

1277
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:20,680
passage in itself.
That's I think.

1278
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:24,000
Stevie Ray expressed himself
better than anyone ever.

1279
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:28,040
Eddie might have come close
because it was their reckless

1280
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:31,080
abandoned, You know, there there
was.

1281
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,160
I don't think you could put that
music to a metronome, you know

1282
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:38,760
what I'm saying?
It was those guys swing in their

1283
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:40,920
field.
They were on time like a

1284
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:42,480
motherfucker.
I'm not saying they weren't

1285
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,360
tight.
They were one of the all those

1286
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,360
guys were the tightest musicians
ever.

1287
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,640
But it wasn't like what I call
typewriter rock.

1288
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,800
You know, ACDC has that swing to
him.

1289
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:57,120
Stevie Ray probably professed
himself through the guitar.

1290
01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:03,320
I agree better than anyone else.
Yeah, it was very, it, it was

1291
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,880
kind of mind blowing.
You know, people say Blues, but

1292
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,960
man, there's a lot of Blues
artists you can, you can go

1293
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:11,880
listen to, but, you know, great
Blues.

1294
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,560
You'll never hear anybody like
Stevie Ray Vaughan, that he was

1295
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,360
something different.
I you know, like, I mean he was

1296
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:22,520
Stevie Ray fan and that doesn't
necessarily mean I, I, I sit

1297
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:23,840
around listen to Blues all the
time.

1298
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,080
I have I like some Freddie King
songs and some B.B.

1299
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,240
King songs.
I think they're they're catchy

1300
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:33,000
or they're they're cool and all,
you know, and but I but I do I

1301
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,080
will say I like people like dual
Braunhall junior.

1302
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:40,640
He he played Narc angels.
He he's not as well known.

1303
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:42,280
He's out of Austin.
I'm a fan.

1304
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:46,400
I love that he's really cool
guitar player, man, He just his,

1305
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:50,600
but he's not Blues either, you
know he's blue Z It's.

1306
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,240
Like Southern rock and the Blues
had a baby.

1307
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:54,360
Right.
Yeah, very.

1308
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,160
That's my kind of psychedelic.
Yeah, very psychedelic.

1309
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,520
Okay, so, so kind of so kind of
the same question for Brian,

1310
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,520
except from from vocalist
standpoint singers, maybe your

1311
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,680
top three singers.
OK, hold on.

1312
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:08,320
Can I talk about guitar players
for a minute?

1313
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,320
Sure, absolutely.
Absolutely no, Absolutely not.

1314
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:13,880
I'm a singer.
I'm going to talk about guitar

1315
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,640
players because I have a
relationship.

1316
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,400
I'm obsessed.
Honestly, I'm obsessed with more

1317
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,960
guitar players than I am
singers, so I love.

1318
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:24,800
This guy too, I'll tell you
what.

1319
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,080
When I was 10 years old, I
discovered Richie Blackmore.

1320
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,080
And.
I in fact had a Memphis Fender

1321
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,560
Strat because I thought I wanted
to play guitar.

1322
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,920
OK, So I did not know.
OK, thank.

1323
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:41,120
Hold on.
I'm getting.

1324
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:44,000
There you're.
Reading you and I we're vibing

1325
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:48,640
right now.
So the first album I got, Deep

1326
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,880
Purple had already broken up.
I had never heard Smoke on the

1327
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:56,360
water, and Richie was already on
with Dio in Rainbow, OK, when I

1328
01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:02,800
discovered Deep Purple Live Made
in Europe 1976 burn mistreated.

1329
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:09,160
When I heard mistreated, I was
on the floor because of the

1330
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:10,480
tone.
Yeah.

1331
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:14,240
Even as a kid I was like, wow,
that something in that tone.

1332
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:17,800
Yeah, it dragged.
My pickup cranked through that.

1333
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:23,920
My soul and all that.
All those bending weird which

1334
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,520
requires.
Such technical precision.

1335
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:28,120
It's out.
I could talk about it all day

1336
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:31,720
long, but so Richie Blackmore,
Ace Fraley from KISS.

1337
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:36,120
God bless, God bless Ace Fraley.
You can sing every ace friendly

1338
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:37,320
guitar solo about.
That right you.

1339
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,720
Can that's really important.
I'm going to say Jimmy Page and

1340
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,000
then Michael Schenker.
Nice.

1341
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:44,840
And Tony.
Tony Iommi.

1342
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,360
Tony Iommi.
Tony Iommi from the Black

1343
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:48,160
Sabbath.
Yeah.

1344
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:50,120
So those are my five guys
singers.

1345
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:53,840
OK, I'm going to, if I have to
pick 33, I'm just going to

1346
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:55,080
randomly pick.
Yeah.

1347
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:56,880
Paul Stanley of KISS.
OK.

1348
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:00,480
Because KISS is the reason why I
do what I do right now one.

1349
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:04,560
Of the best entertainers ever.
Paul Stanley and a great singer.

1350
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:06,080
And a great.
I'm going to go.

1351
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,840
I'm going to go, Steven Tyler
and I'm going to go.

1352
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,760
I'm going to go.
God.

1353
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,280
Robert Plant I.
Was going to say you gotta go.

1354
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:16,439
Robert Plant.
Led Zeppelin.

1355
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,640
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I have many, many, many.

1356
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:23,560
And those are great examples of
what front men should be though.

1357
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:24,640
For sure.
Yeah.

1358
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,080
Yeah.
Man, we have Freddie Mercury,

1359
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:31,200
David.
It's, it's yeah, it's endless,

1360
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,520
man.
But I just to, to, to me, it was

1361
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:35,520
Morrison.
Morrison got me into lyrical,

1362
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:38,640
the lyrics and and Marshall
songs, right?

1363
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:41,960
Because, because when right,
because when, when I was in high

1364
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,720
school, I had an English teacher
that kind of realized I, I had a

1365
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:46,880
creative side of me.
So she's the one that opened up,

1366
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:48,840
right?
And that's what, that's what my

1367
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:50,840
English teacher did.
She opened up the fact that I

1368
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:54,439
could write poems and that led
me that when I then I heard a

1369
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,040
Doors song on on what was then
classic rock.

1370
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:58,960
I'm like, holy shit, this is
amazing.

1371
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:02,840
So Morrison, number one, Bono
and then Vedder because they

1372
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:06,200
just they all just kind of I
like to Bono's presence in the

1373
01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:08,880
in the rattle and hum era, that
kind of part of Bono.

1374
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,840
I don't like Bono now.
He's he's he's oversaturated

1375
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,399
himself in the world.
He's too political and too like

1376
01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:16,960
just too just fucking stay in
your just stay in your lane,

1377
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:18,560
man.
Rattle and hum.

1378
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:20,319
Rattle.
Yeah, but Rattle and Hum to me,

1379
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:24,080
that was that was everything.
Because like you with theatre as

1380
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,560
a major and I was a journalism
major, it's like I I learned

1381
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,880
that music is everything.
I can take the theatre side, I

1382
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,640
can take the lyrical side, the
writing side, the performance

1383
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:33,680
side and become all the same.
Right.

1384
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:35,160
It is.
Well, he totally.

1385
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:37,560
Chris just said something.
I'm sorry to interrupt you, but

1386
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,399
you just said something that
made a thought trigger in my

1387
01:09:40,399 --> 01:09:42,200
head.
The two songs that you sent me,

1388
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:47,120
we've all been inundated with
listening to compressed music,

1389
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,399
right?
And being a guy who's recorded

1390
01:09:49,399 --> 01:09:51,600
music, I've never mastered it,
but I've mixed it.

1391
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:53,800
I've recorded it.
You know, I've been involved in

1392
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:56,120
the studio process for thousands
of hours.

1393
01:09:56,120 --> 01:10:00,280
So I'm listening to your songs
and the first thing I think of

1394
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,360
is I fucking hate compressed
music.

1395
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:05,480
I want to hear the song the way
it was intended to be heard,

1396
01:10:05,480 --> 01:10:07,760
right?
So I put it on my surround sound

1397
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,600
and it made it a lot better.
But I still want to hear that

1398
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,840
WAV file, right?
I want to hear the full.

1399
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:14,400
Yes.
Hell yeah, man.

1400
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:16,480
You want to feel the bass?
Well, thank you.

1401
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:18,760
Yeah, thank.
You so that's that's the way.

1402
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:21,800
Yeah, so there's a good, there's
a good, there's a good

1403
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:23,240
transition because we're over an
hour here.

1404
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:26,200
So I don't want to, I don't want
to miss how people can find you.

1405
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,040
What you got coming up on your
album drops, if you're going on

1406
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,560
the road, things like that.
So let's talk first about the

1407
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,320
first album from Duvall.
When's that coming out?

1408
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:39,400
Before the end of the year.
OK, Yeah, yeah, real soon.

1409
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:42,640
That that's going to be the.
EP Yeah, the first EP I mean.

1410
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:44,960
It's basically and that'll be
called anonymous.

1411
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:47,720
OK, anonymous.
Duvall with 1L.

1412
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,360
Yeah, Duval Duvall, that's
correct.

1413
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:54,000
So we have Facebook, we have the
YouTube channel, we have things,

1414
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:59,600
but Bruce is going to be in the
process of, you know, we're,

1415
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,160
we're handing the reins over to
our team and they.

1416
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,880
Will figure all that out.
They decide all Yeah, because

1417
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,000
they they want to do all the
promotions.

1418
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:11,200
Well, you know Bruce, first
thing Bruce did is is hook us up

1419
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:12,960
with you guys.
So thank you, Bruce.

1420
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:14,640
Yeah.
And thank you, Bruce, again.

1421
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:19,640
For sure so awesome talking with
you guys and I feel like I need

1422
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:23,200
I feel unfortunately like I need
to do this every morning now did

1423
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:27,080
we mention like every you you
guys have a problem the problem

1424
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:30,400
every morning now I want to have
coffee and do.

1425
01:11:30,440 --> 01:11:32,400
Like where's Chris and Mike?
They haven't called.

1426
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:33,680
You.
Well, here's what I'm happy

1427
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:35,720
about.
You guys are the first people,

1428
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:39,160
and I know everybody.
I totally appreciate that

1429
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,640
compliment and I know all the
musicians that have been on here

1430
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:45,280
have had that same kind of
feeling, but you guys are the

1431
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:49,320
first ones to say it out loud.
You just made my dream of this

1432
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:51,400
podcast come true with that
statement.

1433
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,160
Amen.
It's a It makes it so much.

1434
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:57,920
Well, there's AII.
Love talking to musicians?

1435
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,880
Yes.
You reminded me of how some

1436
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:05,560
radio interviews I heard the
questions were like, God,

1437
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,240
where's that?
What is that even about?

1438
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:08,360
That's why I don't.
That's why.

1439
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,680
See.
Yeah, Yeah, you guys remind.

1440
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,480
Me of a band on break between
sets.

1441
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:15,520
You know, having a shot in the
beer.

1442
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:17,160
Sorry.
No, no, no.

1443
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:19,480
You're good, man.
I, I, you know, but that's the

1444
01:12:19,480 --> 01:12:21,920
thing.
When I was I had a radio show on

1445
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:24,600
iheart and I and my producers
would give me shit all the time

1446
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:26,840
because they wanted me to be
focused on.

1447
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:28,960
It was called Real Talk USA with
the real estate guy because I

1448
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,400
sell houses for living.
They wanted everything to be

1449
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,600
focused on real estate sales.
And I'm like, that's not how I

1450
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:35,600
work, man.
It's it's I'd rather have

1451
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,440
conversations and get, you know,
when you have a home inspector

1452
01:12:38,440 --> 01:12:40,200
on your show, there's only so
many things you going to ask

1453
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:44,000
them from, right.
But once you start opening up,

1454
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:47,120
once you have the dialogue, then
it's like, oh, shit.

1455
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:49,640
Then you learn so much more
about the process and what they

1456
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:50,440
find.
What instead of.

1457
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:53,680
Well, home inspection cost 450.
I think you're right with that.

1458
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:55,600
Yeah.
That's your reality, your square

1459
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:56,560
footage.
It's yeah.

1460
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:59,600
His argument to his producer
was, do you know how dry that's

1461
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:03,200
going to be as a show if I just
sit here and go, interest rates

1462
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:07,240
are four point. 235 percent you
know you, you taught, You write

1463
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:11,480
about what you know or what you
don't know and want to know.

1464
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:14,560
And you, you talk about things
you love and are passionate

1465
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,280
about.
What else is there to talk

1466
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:19,120
about?
So we have 4 musicians in a room

1467
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,480
here, so to speak.
And yes, this is how it's going

1468
01:13:21,480 --> 01:13:23,920
to go.
Because we're telling stories

1469
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,080
and we're, this is what we do,
man.

1470
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,800
We're all you know.
You and Mike and Chris and Dave

1471
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,200
Duvall and Brian are all on the
same.

1472
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:35,560
We're in this universe that is
unique to us.

1473
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,400
You can't fake having been
there, done that.

1474
01:13:38,440 --> 01:13:41,720
And if you say you were in a
mafia and you start telling

1475
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,080
stories, people are going to
know right away whether you

1476
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:47,240
really live that life.
It's the same thing for

1477
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:51,840
musicians, firefighters, police
officers and Chris always likes

1478
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:55,600
to say your life resume, right?
We prefer talking to musicians

1479
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,200
because that's what him and I
have in common for more time

1480
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,760
than anything.
But if we have somebody on here

1481
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,040
that has a cool life's resume as
right.

1482
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,760
Whatever, it makes it easy it
It's just when you tell a story

1483
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:10,240
that's exactly like one of our
stories with the.

1484
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:14,320
Same passion for sure.
Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.

1485
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:15,880
So they so you guys have a
website?

1486
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:21,680
I'm sorry again.
So we don't have a website.

1487
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,680
We've got a Facebook page and
YouTube.

1488
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:26,920
So what's what's coming?
Okay, what's the YouTube?

1489
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,360
Channel.
We've got a domain, you know.

1490
01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:33,600
For to tell them YouTube.
Tell them I tried the website.

1491
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,320
That's a whole nother deal,
because people.

1492
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:40,080
Yeah, anyway, tell them what?
The Facebook page.

1493
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,320
Is Facebook is let's go back to
you hold on YouTube.

1494
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:46,160
What's the YouTube do?
YouTube channels.

1495
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:50,160
Do ball music.
On one word or two I mean.

1496
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,160
It's all one word.
OK, Yeah, that's why I'm getting

1497
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:54,040
that because I want to, I want
to be able to share your stuff

1498
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:58,680
here and it's just.
There's a little bit out there.

1499
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,160
There's a lot more coming.
Nice, yeah.

1500
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:03,920
Yeah, I'm just for what?
What, How long?

1501
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:05,640
Whatever.
Did you guys hook up with Bruce

1502
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:07,280
while he's pulling this up?
Yeah.

1503
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:09,640
About a month ago.
Are you serious?

1504
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,360
Yeah, man, he, Bruce is.
And I met.

1505
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:13,880
Him.
He makes me feel lazy.

1506
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,640
I can't go into the, I can't, I
can't go into all the details,

1507
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,560
but I met him.
I met him through a a local

1508
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:22,880
guitar builder.
Oh nice.

1509
01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:25,840
Here in Tulsa.
Yeah, we got a great, we just

1510
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:29,080
met a great guitar builder named
from Mike from Monkey House

1511
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,160
Guitars.
He's he's made guitars for Peter

1512
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:34,720
Clit from Candle Box and the two
guys from Everclear.

1513
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:37,360
Mike, is it Everclear?
Yeah, I know.

1514
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:39,520
I know those guys in Everclear.
So.

1515
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,440
So yeah, tell Mike I said hi.
So.

1516
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:43,680
He's an.
Outstanding guy.

1517
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:46,200
The name of this guy is Glenn
Morgan.

1518
01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:50,080
OK, Glenn Morgan Guitars.
And I, I just want to, I want

1519
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,680
to, I want to say thank you to
Glenn Morgan too, because it's

1520
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,760
going Bruce.
Yeah, absolutely.

1521
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:58,120
Bruce to Glenn Morgan.
Well, shout out to Glenn too.

1522
01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:00,840
Yes, I, I think we have Glenn
coming on the show, Mike.

1523
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:02,400
Oh.
Sweet, there you go.

1524
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:03,760
Look at him.
Thanks guys.

1525
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:04,760
I think so.
Let's see.

1526
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:07,520
I would be remiss if I didn't
give a shout out to Chris.

1527
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:11,760
He worked Glenn Morgan ass off
booking all you guys and the

1528
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,800
conversation you had on the
phone he was so excited about

1529
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:19,120
and he got excited to call me
And to think that we started

1530
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,400
this together two years ago.
Wow.

1531
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:24,120
I meant to send him a text when
he called me.

1532
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:26,320
But thank you for all the work
you're doing man.

1533
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:27,600
Thank you.
It's not.

1534
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:30,800
You guys both, yeah.
It's just, it's so much fun,

1535
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,360
man, and it takes all of us to
make this happen.

1536
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,120
Absolutely.
And I'm as humble as they come,

1537
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,800
so I'm appreciative that anybody
wants to do this with me.

1538
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,280
So we need.
Guys like you, man, we need guys

1539
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:43,080
like you.
We need more Chris and Mike the

1540
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:46,480
industry.
Need more more because it's all

1541
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:48,560
about you.
So when you guys go on the road,

1542
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,680
if you come to Chicago, make
sure you reach out to Mike.

1543
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,560
And if you come, if you come to
Phoenix, you make sure you reach

1544
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:55,280
out to me.
So I'll, I'll do a group text

1545
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:57,160
when we're done so you guys can
get Mike's number 2.

1546
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:58,880
Yeah, I got friends in all both
of us.

1547
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,240
Yeah, because you come to town.
You come to town.

1548
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,000
I want to come see you.
I want to come hang out and jam.

1549
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:04,840
We'll bring the wife.
Absolutely everywhere.

1550
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:06,960
Fantastic.
We will see you all soon.

1551
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,160
That'd be fantastic, man.
Yeah.

1552
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:12,080
All right, so everyone so watch
for watch for Duval's EP to drop

1553
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:13,840
by the end of this year.
You can find them on Facebook

1554
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:18,480
and and YouTube and again for
Chris and Michael Wrap.

1555
01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:20,880
Spotify on iTunes this.
Spotify on iTunes?

1556
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,960
Yeah.
Duval on Spotify, iTunes and all

1557
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,320
the other streaming services.
Some of them I've never even.

1558
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:29,800
Heard of and Vela Cheetah?
Vela Cheetah marketing.

1559
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:31,160
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1560
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:33,760
Bruce, Bruce, Bruce, send us
your logo.

1561
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:35,440
So we'll put that on the
Facebook page as well.

1562
01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:38,560
So, all right, don't, don't
leave after I wrap up.

1563
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,560
We've got to make sure you guys
are all good with the uploads

1564
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,120
and stuff.
So again, for the Chris and

1565
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:42,440
Mike.
Sure.

1566
01:17:42,440 --> 01:17:43,240
I'm Chris.
He's Mike.

1567
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:45,400
This is this is Dave and Brian
from the band Duvell.

1568
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:49,200
If you're feeling depressed,
suicidal, anxious, you know, go

1569
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:51,240
screaming a pillow, go journal,
go outside and run.

1570
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:52,760
Go work out.
Do something that's going to

1571
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,240
change your mindset.
Don't leave a hole in somebody's

1572
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:57,240
heart because you don't want to
be here tomorrow because the

1573
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,800
world's better with you in it.
Somebody does love you.

1574
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:01,240
Somebody will miss you.
So remember that.

1575
01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:03,720
Text 988 if you can't find
somebody to talk to because

1576
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,120
somebody there is standing by
waiting to talk you off that

1577
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,040
ledge.
Again, for Chris and Mike, Dave

1578
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:09,960
and Brian, this is the Chris and
Mike show.

1579
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:11,280
Love you, brother.
Love you guys.

1580
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:12,600
Thank you guys.
So.

1581
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:15,480
Much for coming on.
Thanks for all you do guys.

1582
01:18:15,480 --> 01:18:18,280
You as well.
And and for for Bruce Gambino

1583
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,000
right now, Brother Bruce, we
love you.

1584
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:46,840
Man.
This is the place where you will

1585
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:51,080
go.
Be on the trail behind your

1586
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,720
eyes, feel yourself and need
yourself.

1587
01:18:57,080 --> 01:19:02,040
Take a moment, look at you and
see him fight your battle and

1588
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:07,640
see you bum a queer.
Fight your battle, fight you,

1589
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:10,360
bum a wheel.
Who is this baby?

1590
01:19:24,880 --> 01:20:33,830
The.
Come down here, you haven't

1591
01:20:34,150 --> 01:20:38,750
bounced out in the exam, you
just won't fight him.

1592
01:20:39,630 --> 01:20:44,350
Wait for the day when this
closure out you get put in the

1593
01:20:44,430 --> 01:20:49,230
wind, you went no quizzes.
We don't play in the mound.

1594
01:20:49,230 --> 01:20:53,310
You just, you put it on the
almighty day.

1595
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:59,600
You've got a dream.
Who in your life to keep our

1596
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:05,720
soul in every man?
Take the trail behind your eyes.

1597
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:09,360
Feel the soul evolution now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1598
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:21,160
yeah.
Take your moment.

1599
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:25,400
Listen to your fear.
Fight your family, to you.

1600
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:26,960
More clear.
You

1601
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:57,400
gotta, You gotta.
You gotta, you gotta, you gotta.