#155 - He's Chris & That's Mike

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I love that song, love that
song.

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I do too man, I always have and
I it hits me the same way every

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time.
I always love singing that song.

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It was a great song to sing.
I remember, like, sitting at the

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Control Board while you were
singing that in the bathroom,

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man.
And like, we couldn't see each

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other because we weren't in a
real studio.

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We were in my apartment.
And I just remember getting lost

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in my mind, man.
I was like, if that's not a hit,

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I don't know what is.
And I never said that about

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anything else, but it catches me
the same way every time.

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Yeah, me too.
I know I'm super biased.

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I think, I think, but I think
that nothing man and and.

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Nothing man hit me the same way.
Listen to your sin.

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Nothing man, Freeman, listen to
your sin.

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I think of of the because I
think those are the three ones

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out of the gate.
You know, I mean, I, I'm biased.

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I think all our shit would still
be relevant today.

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Once we put it out, we'll see.
Mama Kay always liked Vision.

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It used to be a song called
Concrete and Steel when Mike was

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in the band, so that's what she
still calls it, but she'd love

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the music to that.
Yeah, yeah, And she's.

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Listening to this Hi mom, love
you.

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Hi, Mama Kay.
She'll remember Concrete and

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Steel, which became Vision,
which was about Chris having a

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reoccurring dream of his death
at 30 years.

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Old, right, all the warm and
fuzzies, which you know, which I

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mean, in a sense it happened
because I ended up having having

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this weird little heart thing on
Memorial Memorial Day weekend of

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my 30th year on the planet.
So, you know, it kind of still

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happened in a in a weird way.
It did.

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So, yeah, so this is the
Christian Mike show.

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Obviously.
I'm Chris.

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He's Mike.
We are.

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We are just entertaining one
another today.

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Not sure what happened to our
guest, but you know, it's your,

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it's their loss is your gain.
Because I just get the dynamic.

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Yeah, but yeah, you just get the
dynamic dealer.

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That is the Chris and Mike show
coming to you live with 28

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countries now, right?
29. 29 countries, like go figure

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that shit out.
I should have looked up how to

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pronounce this country.
It's MALAWIMALA.

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W ma Mal Malawi mawala mawala.
Malawi, Malawi.

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Malawi.
MAWI, Malawi, We.

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We There you go.
So welcome, Malawi.

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Welcome, we're glad you could
join us on this.

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It's cold where I'm at dude.
I got our normal sleeves on.

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Malawi.
Oh Oh yeah, it's hot where

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they're at.
Probably, yeah.

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No, I'm cold, man.
It's it's like 60 some odd

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degrees.
It's been raining off and on all

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day.
The rain we were supposed to.

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Get it has here too.
Oh, right on.

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That's.
Good.

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Where you guys kind of enjoy it
because you don't really get to

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experience a weather change.
I look, I sat down at lunch and

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I looked outside and I was like,
son of a bitch, it's winter.

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It's like Game of Thrones, man.
Winter has come.

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Winter has come.
Which was my first thought when

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I looked outside.
But you know, you have to have

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watched Game of Thrones for that
to have made.

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Sense, right, Right.
So did you watch Land Man?

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It came back last night.
Is it just one episode?

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No, I did not watch it.
I.

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I only watched one episode.
I didn't.

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I didn't watch it anymore
because I wasn't sure.

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But they tried to do let me
look.

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They tried to do a truth bomb in
the beginning.

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Yeah.
And it you could tell it was

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forced right?
Because if I watched season 1

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like.
Without giving a spoiler house

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so OK so.
So season 1, his truth bombs

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would come random moments during
the show, right?

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Like you wouldn't expect them to
be there.

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They were.
They were relevant to the world

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itself.
I thought anyway, like, like the

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power one, the the, the
windmills, you know, that they

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built how they talked about that
and that that entire 16 minute

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truth bomb, the truth palm about
smoking cigarettes to how a

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Vietnamese guy can live to be 99
years old and he smokes a pack

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of cigarettes every single day.
So it's not, it's not the

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cigarettes, it's it's American
food, it's the American culture.

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It's whatever those things were
like they were, they were

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written into the script.
I thought very unique spots in

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the storyline that you didn't
expect them coming.

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And so episode one they lead out
of the gate with one and it's

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just kind of it to me, it's just
kind of fell short.

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It's like I'm expecting this and
it kind of came to here, you

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know, it's just there's a gap in
and that was the only truth bomb

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in that episode in that.
So it kind of left me like, OK,

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that was kind of a drag, kind of
a.

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Drag, I'll probably watch it.
I was, I was torn whether I

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wanted to wait till the whole
thing was out and just binge

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watch it, yeah, or watch it an
episode at a time.

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So I chose to watch the.
Yeah, it was still good.

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It was still, it's still, yeah,
it still lived up to the Land

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man standards that it has.
You know, it's just to me, the

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truth problem wasn't, wasn't it
wasn't necessary for the

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episode.
It it could.

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It had nothing.
It didn't pertain to anything

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that the episode embodied.
I have a strange feeling I'm

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going to agree with you.
Yeah, so, so Mr. Mike Michaels

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here, share me, shared with me
some things and this is the

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first thing you share.
With don't use the don't do the

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parenting one because save that
one for last because I actually

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want to hear your opinions on a
lot of those things.

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I'm on the musician one right
now.

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Oh, that's fine.
Yeah, why musicians are

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essential to culture.
Yeah, the last thing I sent you

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I think had to do with
parenting.

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I just wanted you to do that
last because there's some things

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in there I think you're going to
find really interesting.

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OK, yeah, so he sent me this
thing and I can't share it for

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some reason, probably because
it's not on on the the web or

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something.
But why?

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Musicians are essential to the
culture and it's not just

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entertainment.
It's part of who we are #1

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powerful memories.
Songs connect us to time, place

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and people like nothing else.
Which is true example right as I

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read that top of my head, one of
the first songs that ever

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played, I think on Nikki and I's
first date or so, was a song

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called Someone Into the Vicinity
of the Heart by Shenandoah.

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They no longer exist.
You can't find that song

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anywhere.
It's impossible to find.

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I remember the band.
I don't know the song, but I

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know that name.
Yeah, yeah, so, but so as soon

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if I hear that song
automatically, I think of Nikki.

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When we went through our our
separation from my drinking, I

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had made her a playlist because
you can still make playlists

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back then, even though it was on
ACD Stains.

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It's been a while because if you
listen to the lyrics of it's

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been a while again, how you
interpret the song is what makes

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it your own, how you, you know,
But in interpreting those lyrics

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at the time, it was completely
relevant to what we were going

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through with, with my becoming
sober and just the separation

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aspect of it and and being apart
from each other for those 90

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some odd days.
So it was very relevant.

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And still when I hear that song
to this day, I remember that.

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How about you?
Song dude.

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Yeah, it's a good song.
Yeah.

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What kind of powerful memories
of music do you have there, Mike

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Michaels?
Every day.

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That's my whole life.
Right.

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Well, yeah, but I'm just saying
if if one song was listening.

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To your story.
And I was trying to share this

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stupid thing, so I got
sidetracked.

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You're good for me.
Music is me, man.

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That's yeah, yeah.
You know, we, we had this

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discussion.
When I say music is my religion,

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I mean it, you know, that's what
saved my life.

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And that's what literally makes
me hum.

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You know, I'm.
I'm in tune with the universe

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when I've spent enough time not
only studying it and playing it,

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but enjoying it as well.
I, I forgot how to enjoy music

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for a long time.
I took it so seriously as a

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musician and wanting to be the
vehicle that I forgot that I was

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also the fan, you know?
Oh nice, that's a nice.

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So within the last probably, I
don't know, five years for sure,

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I've really gone back to just
taking the time to sit down and

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jam, you know, turn my surround
sound system on, shut the world

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out.
Yeah, so you can, you can play

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your guitar through your your
home entertainment system.

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Yeah, no shit.
Yeah, technology's come a long

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way, man.
Not only can we do a podcast

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2000 miles apart, I can use this
little spark amplifier and I can

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jam along with my iPad, the
MacBook, my television.

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Yeah.
That's cool.

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It's all really cool.
It's super.

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It is, and the sounds are
amazing.

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So for a musician, these things
are not expensive.

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I was fortunate that a friend of
mine's letting me borrow it

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seems in perpetuity at this
point, but he has another

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amplifier, so he's not missing
out on anything.

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But that's way beside the point.
These are super cheap.

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They're like probably $200 to
get the kind of sounds that come

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out of this amplifier when I was
15 to 25 years old and probably

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15 to 50 because these things
just came out.

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You're you, you would have had
to have spent thousands of

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dollars.
You would have had to have

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bought a tube amplifier.
Remember I I had a Marshall 100

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Watt head.
Yep, Yep.

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That was $800 by itself at the
time.

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Those are probably close to 1800
now because they don't make them

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anymore.
Not that version.

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Gotcha.
Then you got to buy a cabinet.

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It's got 4 speakers in it.
If you blow up any of the

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speakers which I did on regular
basis, you got to put new

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speakers in them.
Right.

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So you're talking and then you
have to buy all the effects.

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I had a rack mount system.
All that shit cost money, man.

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Yeah, yeah.
That's why we're poor now.

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This little box makes all those
sounds.

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That's crazy.
That's like with the PA system,

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you know, and then you get APA
system then I I am a good that

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that minimal vocal explain to
people what.

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You as a singer were expected to
have, because it wasn't just

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Chris showed up with a
microphone.

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If you had what he's going to
describe to you, you were the

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bomb, right?
I don't remember, I don't I

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don't remember how many channels
or heads what everyone call it,

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but it was APA system.
So I had, I had there was a four

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channel, OK, it's 4 channel PA
system.

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So I had, I had the two big
speakers that had stands if you

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wanted them.
I think it had a couple monitors

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with it.
It had people to carry these

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speakers.
These aren't.

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Home stereo speakers, right?
So it had the head and the four

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channels.
So you could put the vocals, the

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guitars, the bass, and then I, I
don't know how we did the drums

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or if you did the drums, I don't
remember that part of it.

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We didn't need to because we
were all in the same room and

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Scott beat the shit out of his
drums so we only.

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Had to mic him when?
We played live.

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Right.
So and that was equipped through

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2.
Channels.

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And then I didn't have to mic my
guitar either, because obviously

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we're in the same room again.
Yeah, Yeah.

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So that's what that was.
And that was, I think back then

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I want to say like I'm just
under 5 grand with with the

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vocal, I forget what.
That's the part I wanted you to

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get.
To yeah, yeah.

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I forget what the because as we,
as we evolved, I think is a

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couple months into just
rehearsals and stuff before we

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played you, you told me about
some kind of effects thing and

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it wasn't.
I never liked having heavy

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effects, but there's there's
something to have just a little

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a nuance of a delay on your
voice because it fills some

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space when you're holding out
your notes and screams.

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Little reverb.
Yeah, little there.

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That's what is a little reverb.
So it wasn't, I never went super

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heavy on the effects because
again.

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You used a slight reverb and you
used a slight delay.

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Yeah, just just you didn't
start.

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Using a delay until Jason talked
to you into it at the.

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Right, right.
Yeah, he's.

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Like I'm going to put a delay on
there, but it was a slap back

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delay.
So you would say something and I

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would just repeat quickly.
It made.

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What it does is it blends your
voice when and Tony's probably

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like Jesus Christ.
Here's how you can explain this

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a lot better.
But well, come on the show,

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Tony.
I know we're waiting.

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It just basically blends your
voice into chaos, right, Because

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a live setting, especially the
Mason dryer, was long and

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narrow.
Yeah.

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So he was making sure that you
punched through the loud music.

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Yeah.
Always watching vocal, sitting

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on top of everything.
Is Jason still around?

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No, he died.
OK, that's what I thought,

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'cause I would say when you get
Jason on the show, I thought he

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passed away.
That was the He passed away,

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maybe.
Yeah.

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Rest in peace, brother.
Two years before we started this

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show.
Gotcha, that sucks.

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He's a good guy.
He's a real.

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He would have done this in a
heartbeat, man.

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He would have remembered every
Yeah, I would have loved to have

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heard his reaction when he told
us we had one last song and we

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played an 11 minute.
Yeah.

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Open intervention.
Divine Chris is like, yeah, I

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got just the song.
I got just the song, Turn

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Around, Intervention, Divine,
and then he comes up.

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I remember him coming.
I remember him coming up to the

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stage like like, like, like, I
don't know, maybe 6-7 minutes

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into it.
I don't remember the time, but I

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remember I'm on the side of the
stage rocking out or something.

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You're playing solo or
something.

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I look at him, he's like, he's
like, I'm like, yeah, dude, He's

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like, I'm like, he's coming.
Just wait.

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It takes 2 minutes and 15
seconds just to break down the

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end of the song because you got
to back it down from how it

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started.
Right, but he loved that song.

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So the credibility of that was
don't ever do that again.

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But fuck, that was a good song
because it was that was the

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heaviest.
That was the heaviest thing we

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wrote at that time.
I think that just because it

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was, it was, there was poetry,
it was from my poetry book and

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there was and, and I and, and
my, my being naive, it's divine

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intervention, right?
And I just, I always thought it

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was intervention divine.
True story.

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Oh, I thought you did that to be
clever.

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No, I didn't.
I didn't.

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I really did all these years.
No, I didn't.

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I gave you.
I realized it.

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Later I was like, that's so
clever.

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I I real years later I realized,
oh shit, it's it's divine

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intervention on intervention.
Of mine, it was acid.

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Yeah.
And he inadvertently wrote one

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of the coolest titles that we
ever had.

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Yeah, yeah, that was a great.
I still like that song.

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I just too bad we don't have
that recorded because that'd.

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Be epic.
I I could remember that for

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sure.
Yeah, but.

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It's that'd be hard without
Scott, man.

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Scott drove that thing, so his
dynamics were outstanding.

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Yeah, I'm still.
Have we sent the music to

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Lemoine yet for Freeman?
Not yet.

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I'm getting there.
OK, I'll just ask him.

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Hey Lemoine, what's up brother
#2 on why?

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His New Year's Eve show.
No, you should.

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I talked to, I talked to Gambino
today from Velo Cheetah Music

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and Entertainment Agency.
He wants us.

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He's he's he really wants us to
come.

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He really wants us to come to
Oklahoma in January for the Hard

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Rock party thing.
I told him.

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I said we'll talk about it.
We'll figure it out if it's if

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it's viable or not.
So he's he's doing, he's got

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something going on.
Wait, I actually talked to him

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about a couple hours ago.
He's got something going on

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actually an hour ago.
He's got something going on

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where he's merging with somebody
else.

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So he's just going to turn into
a powerhouse.

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The guy, if you haven't heard of
a little Cheetah and you're in

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the entertainment industry,
Google Bella Cheetah.

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He's a great guy.
He's all about just helping

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musicians get paid and and grow
their their music.

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He's going to he's Dave Newton.
I told you this shot.

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Yeah, yeah.
Thanks.

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Again, bro, Yeah, totally.
Yeah, and from our advice, he's

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having Dave newto rerecord the
Lord of the Devil so they can

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release it and you're.
Going to I know, that's so cool.

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I'm so proud of that.
I.

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Want to see that song being
number one across the board?

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Yeah, I have listened to it so
many times.

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I would be curious, Dave, if
you're out there and you're

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listening and you happen upon
this, let Chris know or one of

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us, how many times has that
thing been played on Spotify

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since you were on this podcast?
Because I'm responsible for a

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lot of I think you only get
credit for once a day, but at

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least once a day it's me.
Yeah, and I and I bought it.

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I bought it off of off of off of
Apple or iTunes.

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What are you doing, dog?
Yeah, I have it in my iTunes as

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well, but I don't ever use that.
I always use my playlist so.

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You're fine, Dozer, You're fine.
He's getting credit for freaking

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I'm streaming.
Yeah, you're fine.

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There's Doser the dog.
Let's see if I can get Doser the

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dog in.
Why are you shaking, man?

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What are you tripping on?
He's like, I've never been on a

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podcast, man.
I'm nervous.

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Jeez, just saying hi.
He's tripping on something.

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I don't know.
We have a ghost, so maybe the

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ghost is wandering around and
freaking him out man.

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Yeah, they see shit we don't for
sure.

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Yeah, it could.
It could be because it's not

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like him to be squeamish.
That's why cats always freak me

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out, because you know they're
looking at shit.

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Oh yeah, we, we could tell.
He does.

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Every now and then he'll look in
the he'll stand up from where

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he's in the great room.
He'll just kind of look in this

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corner.
And that's what he's doing now.

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So I don't know what the fuck's
going on with Dozer.

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And I told you, every fiber in
my being wants to not believe in

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any of that shit.
But my family encountered that,

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so I have to.
Well, and see Skyler when she

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was little, she we lived in her
first house.

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I encountered it multiple times.
Yeah, yeah.

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So I'll tell Skylar story.
You tell me one of your stories.

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So Skylar, I would wake up, I'd
hear her talking, and I'd go in

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her room and she was standing in
the corner talking, like

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literally having a conversation
with somebody.

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And so later we found out and,
you know, she was talking to an

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old lady.
It's like a grandma or something

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sitting in a rocky chair.
There was no rocky chair, so we

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asked the neighbor across the
street who was original owner.

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He's like, Oh yeah, whatever the
last name was, Old Man Winter's

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wife died in the house.
And like, oh, OK, so Skyler's

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talking to old the old lady.
So she was having like a

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conversation, a full blown
conversation.

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Yeah, and she went on.
She went on till, I don't know

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when it kind of left, but she
would.

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She did some weird shit, man.
She would she met one of Nikki's

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friends and and Nikki's like,
oh, this is Ramey.

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And she's like, oh, hi, Ramey
Johnson and Ramey's like my last

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name is not Johnson Scott.
I was like, it will be like a

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year later she got married to a
guy named last name was Johnson.

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Wait, back that up.
I I missed something.

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OK, start that story over
because.

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OK, please.
OK, so so Nikki worked at a bar

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and one of her friends at the
bar, her first name was Ramey.

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I don't remember her last name
so I'm not going to.

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It was a crazy last name like
Ramey Federer.

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It doesn't matter, we don't want
to do last night anyway, right?

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So we had come into the IT was
an Applebee's Bar and Grill.

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We came into it one night and
Nikki introduced, I think I

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brought Skylar with me and and
we were sitting at a high top

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and Nikki came by and you know,
she's bartending.

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So I think Remy was our servant.
So Skylar's like Nikki's like,

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oh, this Chris, this is Ramy and
Ramy, this is Skylar and

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Skylar's like hi Ramy Johnson.
And Ramy kind of laughed and

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she's like, that's not my last
name is Skylar's.

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Like it will be.
And a year later, I think maybe

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you're.
How old was Skylar at this

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point?
We lived at the 2nd house, so 8

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or 9, maybe 789 somewhere around
there.

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That is crazy dude.
Yeah, yeah.

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And so, and she went on to do
stuff like that to where she was

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there with with this chick.
Megan was watching her.

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Nick and I were going out, so we
dropped her off.

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So Megan was going to going to
take her back to our house as

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soon as we left because we live
right down the street.

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I think it's Megan.
I'm not sure.

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Megan the firefighter chick.
So the phone rang.

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The bartender at the time
answered the phone and as soon

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as the phone rang, Scott looked
at Megan and said, that's my

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mom.
Understand?

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Back then you didn't have cell
phones like we do now.

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So the the phones were
constantly ringing in a bar, you

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know, Applebee's that you open
with time, you're late, you

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know, etcetera, etcetera.
Dog is still just standing

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there, historically looking at
the corner.

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That's crazy.
Yeah, so now he just walked

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away.
So when the phone rang and and

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she looked at Megan and said,
hey, that's my mom.

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And then the bartender, you
know, hey, I think it was Mike

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the bartender.
Hey, you know, Applebee's good

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afternoon, blah, blah.
You know, whatever he said he he

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looks around the bar.
He's like, hey, Megan, it's

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Nikki holding up the phone.
So she she called a couple sexes

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of birth of the babies, you
know, for people.

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She she has that site, which is
probably, you know, it's

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somewhere in the family because
Nikki's got a got a grandmother

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that, you know, refers to as a
witch.

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Now she's a Wiccan, She's a
white witch.

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She's not a black witch.
She's a good positive witch.

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The dog still fucking freaking
out.

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So yeah.
So now go ahead with your story.

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No, they worship nature.
Wiccans.

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Yeah, totally.
I've.

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I've known plenty of Wiccans.
I just remain unaffiliated.

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The house that I live in right
now is the quietest house I've

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ever lived in my entire life.
I only had one instance here

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that I cannot explain.
I'll take a picture of it and

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I'll send it to you and it'll
make sense.

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OK?
My garage has A1 car garage and

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it's a type 1 car garage.
Like, you got to pay attention

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to what you're doing, right?
You can't.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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Fucking around or you'll fuck
your car up, right.

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Right.
On the wall that's adjacent to

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my studio here, there's brackets
put up with a wooden shelf.

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It's about, I don't know, maybe
a 2 foot wide 2 1/2.

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00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,480
It's a solid piece of board.
It's not going anywhere, right?

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00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:04,480
It weighs a.
Fucking ton.

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00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:09,000
Yeah, yeah.
I I woke up 1 morning and I have

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like paint cans and de icer for
the winter and a tarp up there

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and mostly it's just like paint
cans and a bunch of stuff that

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you would use in the winter
time, right?

448
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,000
Yeah.
Every one of those fucking

449
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:30,640
things was on the ground on the
garage floor, but not one of

450
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:35,040
those things hit my car,
including the board.

451
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:41,280
The board was down too.
So the board is laying right

452
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,120
next to my recycle bin, which is
like this far about a foot from

453
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:48,320
my car.
But every other thing that was

454
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,000
on top of that board and the
board were on the garage floor.

455
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,160
How it how none of that shit
ever hit my car.

456
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,600
It's impossible.
I can Ding my car door if I

457
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,280
don't pull in far enough, I'll
smack it against the recycle

458
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,680
bin, right?
It's plastic.

459
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,840
It's not going to hurt anything.
But that's how close it is to

460
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,600
the wall and everything that's
on along that wall.

461
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,240
That's the only thing that's
ever happened here.

462
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,680
And I told Steele, I said I made
a public service announcement.

463
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:19,720
I stood right in the middle of
the garage and I was like, if

464
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,560
you're not paying fucking rent
here, you have no business here.

465
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,800
If you are not providing any
kind of positivity to this

466
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,760
property here, you are not
welcome here.

467
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,440
Later, never had another
problem.

468
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,360
So the weird.
Thing back and forth go ahead,

469
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,840
go ahead the.
Weird thing that happened to me,

470
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,840
I think I've told you this story
is before I lived with Carrie, I

471
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:47,680
started to every night I'd lay
down and I could feel something

472
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,280
at the end of my bed and all
around.

473
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,280
Oh yeah, we've had that.
Yep.

474
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:58,600
So when her and I started living
together, like I finally got up

475
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,680
the courage, I'm like, you know,
do you feel that?

476
00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:07,280
And she's like, yeah, OK, you
know, I'm not crazy.

477
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,560
Somebody else experience just
like you're experiencing this

478
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,040
living in a haunted house with
Nikki.

479
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,240
At least you know you're not
crazy, right?

480
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,480
Something's happening and
everybody admits to it.

481
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,720
The weird thing is, is back in
the day, nobody wanted to admit

482
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,880
that shit.
And then you had to suffer in

483
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,880
silence right here.
You're being tormented.

484
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,720
Some people had mean ghosts,
right?

485
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,040
Or human experience, or whatever
the fuck you want to call them.

486
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,720
Absolutely.
Some of that stuff is just

487
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,560
undeniable.
It just is.

488
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:38,880
Agreed.
Agreed.

489
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,840
And like I said, every fiber of
my being says I don't want to

490
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,880
believe in that kind of stuff
because I just don't.

491
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,320
But if we live in a multi
dimensional universe, how do you

492
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,920
know that things aren't bleeding
through right there?

493
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,640
There could be so many
explanations as to what's going

494
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,680
on.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

495
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,440
And Sky has referenced, like
her, her husband, June Michael

496
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,400
Michael Eugene Fryer, Junior.
Michael Eugene Fryer Junior.

497
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,680
We just call him June for
junior.

498
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,440
He is.
He has made reference to toys.

499
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,640
He'll be in one of the rooms,
you know, and all of a sudden, a

500
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,320
toy just starts going across the
floor.

501
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,800
And you're our neighbors.
No, in their house, on their

502
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,000
side.
Because we just think the ghost

503
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,360
goes back and forth.
Yeah, we think the ghost goes

504
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:28,120
back and forth.
Yeah.

505
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,920
It took one of Anthony's toys.
Like, we couldn't find it

506
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,960
forever.
Like, I don't know, 6-7 months.

507
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,240
And I had said it, I left.
I left to take him to school.

508
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,960
And I put it on the end table by
the couch.

509
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:45,720
Before I forget, did you ever
find the remote from like, 100

510
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,720
episodes ago?
No, no.

511
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,440
That remote just disappeared,
went into the ether.

512
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:52,600
Yeah.
Yeah.

513
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,640
Now, here's the crazy thing I
told you about Mama Kay's makeup

514
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,480
bag that showed up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

515
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,920
That'd be fascinating if you
wake up one day and it's right

516
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,160
where you thought it was all
along.

517
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:03,320
Because that's what happened.
Yeah.

518
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,200
Yeah, because what?
Whatever he what, what?

519
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,240
Whatever it was, that was his
because I put it on the table,

520
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,480
the coffee table, the not the
cocktail, but the couch table,

521
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,040
the couch table by the couch,
seeing table.

522
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,360
When I came home to put stuff
away, it was gone.

523
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,520
I was like, well, that's weird,
you know, And I thought he just

524
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,640
did something with it.
And then next morning he asked

525
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:21,760
for it.
I was like, well, don't you have

526
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,600
it?
And so Long story short, I that

527
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,040
came back, I think six months
later, it was just there.

528
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,000
I forget what it was, but.
That's what happened.

529
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,280
To her, she like asked.
It was just there of.

530
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,600
Course, she asked my dad, you
know, Hey, did you move this?

531
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,480
Because you got to ask the
person you live with.

532
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,360
And he's like, why would I do
that?

533
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,560
That's what she expected him to
say.

534
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:43,960
And she's like, OK, well, it's
gone.

535
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,240
I don't know what happened.
Yeah.

536
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,840
She woke up, what, a year or two
later and bam, there it was.

537
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,360
That's creepy.
Yeah, yeah, it's strange.

538
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,000
How does that kind of shit
happen?

539
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,480
I don't know, because when?
When our neighbors to the east,

540
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,560
No, I'm sorry, to the West, the
good neighbors, they watched our

541
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,320
house.
We went when we went on a cruise

542
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:07,840
last year and they came over one
day and all the bar stools that

543
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,920
were tucked underneath the
kitchen island were all out and

544
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,640
spread out.
Like just, they weren't tucked

545
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,080
in, they were all out.
So, so their son Waylon, like he

546
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,560
turned around, went and got
Jenna and she's like, you know.

547
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,080
So then when I went to pay him
to give money for Waylon for

548
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,480
watching the house, then his
dad, Jason started telling me

549
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,920
that that Jenna had a ghost when
they were dating and some weird

550
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,760
shit went down and stuff.
It's gone down in his house to

551
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,600
where they actually the ghost
actually pulled.

552
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,480
I, I forget if it was Jenna's
grandmother, Jason's grandmother

553
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:43,800
pulled the grandmother off the
couch.

554
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,400
They had cleaned up another
event.

555
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,440
They had cleaned up all the toys
and stuff, put it away.

556
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,480
Jason got up in the middle of
the light because he couldn't

557
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:51,920
sleep.
And as he's walking through the

558
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,360
living room, he started stepping
on toys and he's like, what's

559
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,280
what, you know, like we cleaned
all this up.

560
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:01,320
What the hell?
So we think maybe that when we

561
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,520
bought the house, we tore it
apart.

562
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,680
Like you could walk in our front
door and you could, I mean, it

563
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,080
was just frame and wood, you
know, the exterior was there,

564
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,360
but.
All the way down to the studs.

565
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,080
Right.
The windows were open all the

566
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,040
time because it was summer.
We were airing out all the

567
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,840
debris and stuff.
So we think maybe the ghost got

568
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,320
pissed and left, went to their
house for a while or got tired

569
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,800
of being in that house and then
came over to us because we were

570
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,040
kind of open.
But for the most part you have

571
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,240
your.
Friends in here since right?

572
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:31,920
We do yeah.
There's nothing.

573
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,040
I mean, it's weird to take stuff
and you know, there's things

574
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,280
that just randomly disappear and
you can't you can't figure out

575
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,880
where they are.
You know, Nikki's like legit one

576
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,760
of her, her favorite pair of
jeans is just gone.

577
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,000
Like it's gone.
And we've looked and looked and

578
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,480
then that's what happened to
clean shit.

579
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,400
That's what.
Happened to my aunt at a house

580
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,240
that she lived in.
I won't say where which one, but

581
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:58,280
yeah she had the same problem.
She had a nice ghost too though

582
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,160
it took things at times and it
did weird shit.

583
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,880
Like I was spending the night
there one time and it I walked

584
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,600
in the bathroom and the toilet
just flushed for me like right

585
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,680
as soon as I was done.
That's crazy, man.

586
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,280
It would flip lights on and off.
That's absolutely crazy.

587
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,920
I'm I had, I got distracted
because I heard a little man out

588
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,840
front, he's riding, he's
practicing riding his bike.

589
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:26,600
And because we have a security
camera, I can actually see him

590
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,760
practicing riding his bike.
That's pretty cool.

591
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,280
Is he on a straight 2 Wheeler
now?

592
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,440
He's still got, he's got 2
wheel, he's on a 2 Wheeler, but

593
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,560
he's got training wheels, right,
You know, because he's just

594
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,040
it'll take him a little while to
get this balance of stuff, but

595
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:51,840
it's it's pretty cool.
Awesome Yeah so let's go back to

596
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,440
what what your missions where
musicians are essential to

597
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,600
culture number 2 is the rich
emotions you get to interact

598
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,080
with people sharing the music
with individual love how Mike

599
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,080
and I that's.
My favorite part?

600
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,520
Yes, a 30 year friendship was
born instant.

601
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,520
Yeah, Yes.
Yeah, right there.

602
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,480
And that's happened to me more
often than not.

603
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,080
Just like we're bitching about
not bitching.

604
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,040
We're complaining about Tony
because we want him on the show

605
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,159
for his knowledge.
It was the same way with him,

606
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:24,840
man.
I would have just really long

607
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:30,159
conversations over lunch and
breaks and whatever, you know,

608
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:33,400
while we were at Guitar Center.
When you're, when you have a

609
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,320
common interest like that and
music is not just a common

610
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,280
interest, it's a way of life,
you know?

611
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:44,520
Yeah, absolutely.
Personal identity.

612
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,880
The music we love becomes part
of our story as.

613
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,679
Individuals, I think we just
covered that as well.

614
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:53,920
We did, we did.
And then the collective history,

615
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,600
how songs capture the spirit of
eras and give voice to cultural

616
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,680
shifts, that that kind of is
really on point because if you

617
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,120
look at the decades of, of you
look at every single decade,

618
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,080
right?
That the music's different for

619
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,560
sure.
The styles are different, you

620
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,040
know.
Yeah, right now I'm training a

621
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,640
kid that's only 20 years old,
and some of the songs he knows

622
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,120
that I play, and some bands I'll
be just fascinated that he

623
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,440
doesn't know who they are.
Yeah, right.

624
00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:22,720
Yeah, That's the fascinating
thing about Music Man, for sure.

625
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,520
But then you have bands like,
and this is always fascinated

626
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,360
me.
Talk about paranormal.

627
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,000
Why does Led Zeppelin never
sound old?

628
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,760
Yeah, well, we talked about how
they how they purposely recorded

629
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,440
the way they did.
They have transcended time.

630
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,080
For sure they have, because it
doesn't matter what Zeppelin

631
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,760
sound comes on, it's you don't
feel like that's from the 60s

632
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,360
and 70s.
No at all.

633
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:50,960
I don't think that's ever been
replicated.

634
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:53,840
I don't think so either.
I mean you can the.

635
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,760
Recording quality is what I'm
talking about, right?

636
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,920
Yeah.
The fact that he was able to

637
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:03,200
capture on tape timeless music,
literally.

638
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,920
Steele agreed with that. him and
I had this conversation, I was

639
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,520
like, you know what?
I've always thought about that,

640
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,120
too.
He'll have the 60s and then

641
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,080
he'll flip over to the 70s, like
when he's driving back and forth

642
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,520
to wherever he's going.
And he said, you know, I, I, I

643
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,840
thought the same thing.
I, I'll hear a Zeppelin song

644
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,320
come on.
And it just doesn't sound old.

645
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:23,680
It just sounds like Led
Zeppelin.

646
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,680
Yeah, and that's that's that's
that's an amazing compliment to

647
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,120
that band that they just sound
like Led Zeppelin.

648
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,280
Yeah, because I think Jimmy
Page, one of his goals was

649
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,640
exactly what I just said, right?
He wanted to create music that

650
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:45,400
transcended generations time.
Yeah, I agree.

651
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:50,920
With that 100%, yeah, for sure.
So now this is a fun one.

652
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,560
This is a quick health quick
quick health facts.

653
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:55,880
You didn't know that you sent
me.

654
00:36:56,720 --> 00:37:00,280
I knew you would like to.
So yawning?

655
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,160
I never knew about this.
Yawning cools your brain by up

656
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,280
to 3°F and under a minute
Yawning.

657
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,920
Nor did I.
That's one that I was like, no

658
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,800
shit.
Now what my brain must be,

659
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,320
really.
Hot because I got a yawn.

660
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,200
What's funny about yawning is I
can't completely yawn to

661
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:24,120
completion since my neck surgery
since I had the mishap Explain

662
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,400
like I'll get to I'll get well
OK when you yawn right, you get

663
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,160
to the end of the yawn right?
OK.

664
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:35,040
I don't get the end of the.
I'll get right there and then it

665
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,840
just.
Stops you never can't the

666
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,040
satisfaction of the complete.
I can't not since neck surgery,

667
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,560
not since the not since I had
the issue with the with the the

668
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,280
incision swelling up and
knocking the lymph nodes.

669
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,000
And I've never been able to yawn
since.

670
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,880
So I can't yawn to crack my to
pop my ears.

671
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,520
My ears will just pop right?
And I'm like, holy shit, I can

672
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,800
hear again.
It sucks flying.

673
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,680
It sucks flying because I have
to chew down the entire flight

674
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,920
and then and then I don't
realize my ears are, are

675
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,840
unpopped until like, I don't
know, two or three days later

676
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,560
I'll just do something.
All of a sudden click like, oh

677
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,480
shit, I can hear.
It's amazing.

678
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,480
So yeah, that's all you do.
It does suck.

679
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:18,680
And then I don't know how to fix
it.

680
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,520
So, you know, eventually I have
to go get this next one fixed.

681
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,880
So maybe it'll reverse that.
If there's any doctors out there

682
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,040
listening and can help Chris
with his problem, send us an

683
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,360
e-mail.
Chris and Mike show it at Gmail.

684
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,280
Chrisandmikeshow@gmail.com I
knew this one.

685
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,400
I knew #2 Chewing celery burns
more calories than it contains,

686
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,440
so it has a negative calorie
effect.

687
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,600
I knew that.
I knew eating celery burns more

688
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,280
calories than it assumes.
Yeah, I've heard this one too.

689
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,880
Smelling.
Yeah, I've heard this one too,

690
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,680
about smelling Rosemary, how it
boosts your memory by 15% in

691
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,800
just minutes.
That's a very interesting 1:00.

692
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,120
And we have a lot of, we have a
lot of Rosemary, but I've never

693
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,800
actually tried it, so I should
try it one day.

694
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,000
Start snorting a little
Rosemary.

695
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,960
Right.
It's nice when I, when I trim it

696
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:05,760
because I have it around the
front of the house.

697
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,720
When I trim it, I'd spend like
crazy.

698
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,080
It does and we make Rosemary.
We use Rosemary from our garden

699
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,000
for chicken, so it's great.
Beet juice.

700
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,640
I'm not a big fan of beet juice,
but it helps like a natural

701
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,080
blood pressure pill, lowering
your points, lowering it by at

702
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,120
least 10 points.
My Grammy loved beats I know

703
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,080
understood the fascination.
Then here's this one.

704
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,320
Standing on one leg builds
balance plus core strength equal

705
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,920
to 10 sit ups.
Reap, I heard you, but repeat

706
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:43,040
that.
Balancing on one leg builds

707
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,000
balance and core strength equal
to 10 sit ups.

708
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,600
But it doesn't say for how long.
That's why I had.

709
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:49,800
Your It doesn't say for how
long.

710
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,240
It does not say for how long.
So if I just do it for 2 seconds

711
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:56,280
I did 10 sit ups, I'm going to
get swollen.

712
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,680
OK, so, so I'm on one leg right
now.

713
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,400
OK, so it's it's 4.
See here's the problem.

714
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,760
You got to balance.
You got to balance, OK.

715
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,240
Well, that was part of the
instruction balancing on one leg

716
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:11,240
I.
Was trying to do it properly

717
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:14,560
without getting off screen.
OK, so there.

718
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,240
So there, I'm balancing.
I'll balance.

719
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:20,960
I went on this Eating Chili
Peppers speeds metabolism by 23%

720
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,520
for up to two hours, which would
be great if you like Chili

721
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,360
Peppers because I don't.
Chili Peppers give me heartburn.

722
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,320
Yeah, if you get heartburn,
Chili Peppers are not for you.

723
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:36,240
Right #7 humming for 5 minutes
Boost nitric oxide, improving

724
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:44,880
airflow 15 times.
Everybody's like shut the fuck

725
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,720
up.
I'm going to, I'm going to hum

726
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:49,640
and stand.
Yeah.

727
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,520
Cold showers increase dopamine
levels by 250%.

728
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,600
Just cold therapy alone is so
good for you, right?

729
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,600
It releases cold shock proteins
into your body.

730
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:04,880
Now what does what's dopamine
do?

731
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,200
Dopamine, that means.
What does dopamine do?

732
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,200
Oh, OK, That's, that's what
everybody's looking for is the

733
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,280
dopamine drop.
That's what you know, OK.

734
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:17,200
Addicts are looking.
For is that feeling.

735
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,960
Gotcha.
Laughing with friends triggers

736
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,920
endorphins that raise tolerance
by 10 to 15%.

737
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:32,240
Tolerance to what?
Yeah, because it doesn't say

738
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,320
hydrogen rich water neutralizes
something.

739
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,560
I would say tolerance to other
people in general.

740
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,560
OK, yeah, I had.
I had to unstep my my because it

741
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,520
says the hydrogen rich water.
Uh oh.

742
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,680
What are you crying for, Trip?
Trip's crying.

743
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,600
I don't know.
Something's wrong with Trip,

744
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:54,560
man.
No, he's not.

745
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,840
He hasn't been.
He's been sick for a couple days

746
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,880
and he hears me talking.
Yeah.

747
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,120
Hydrogen.
Which water neutralizes

748
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,320
something, but I can't show what
it neutralizes because there's

749
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,720
something over it.
I don't think I cared about that

750
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:17,760
one because I was like where the
fuck are you going to get

751
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,680
hydrogen rich water?
Right.

752
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,280
And then oh, I put that down.
That's a little wacky.

753
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:28,360
And then slow breathing lowers
your blood pressure by 8 to 10

754
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:34,960
points.
Active, active, active

755
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:42,400
backazone.
So that's the, that's the I have

756
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,280
activity by my office window.
Are you being spied on?

757
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,320
What's up, bobblehead?
Chris is being spied on, ladies

758
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:51,200
and gentlemen.
Come here.

759
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,640
I'm I'm podcasting man.
You we can't I can't get trip

760
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,560
over here because in church want
me to pick him up and hug him

761
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:58,960
and stuff.
So don't talk Trip and hear me.

762
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,800
OK, OK.
I see you riding your bike,

763
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:02,640
though.
You're doing a good job.

764
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,200
Life lessons being handed down
right here, live on the podcast,

765
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,520
ladies and gentlemen.
Life lessons.

766
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,120
Yep.
Yep, life lessons.

767
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:17,400
I like it. 20 things you should
never share with your kids Adult

768
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,760
relationship problems.
What do you?

769
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,520
Protect their sense of security.
I want to know how you feel

770
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,160
about each one of these.
I OK, so I never that's.

771
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:26,760
Bullshit.
OK.

772
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:28,880
Tell me one.
So I think that's bullshit.

773
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,120
I because I think that your
children need to understand that

774
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:37,360
life isn't perfect.
The, the, the ups and downs, the

775
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,720
ebb and flows.
They need to understand that

776
00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:43,280
that not everything is a fairy
tale because that's what you see

777
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:44,480
online.
We've talked about it before,

778
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,000
right?
Oh, you know, skip and Stacy,

779
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,560
perfect little life.
And then all of a sudden

780
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:50,720
everything's positive, positive
pause.

781
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:51,680
And now all of a sudden the skip
and.

782
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,720
Station and even for social
media, was that not the

783
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:56,920
portrayal that people tried to?
Yes.

784
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,400
Gaussian.
Harry, on the outside, yeah,

785
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,560
thank you.
And on the inside, things were

786
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,200
chaos.
Yeah.

787
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,080
So no, I wanted people.
To hear your opinion, because I

788
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:12,280
think more about, I think that's
more the way to raise children

789
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,000
in reality, right?
They'll be more prepared for the

790
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,400
world if they use your approach
in that life is not all roses.

791
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,040
That's how my parents were too.
They were honest with us about,

792
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,320
you know, they didn't tell us
the horror part of it.

793
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,120
They just said things are not
good right now.

794
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,080
We have to do XY and Z right?
Right.

795
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,920
And that's number two, right?
And that's number two, the

796
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,560
financial worries you.
I agree that you shouldn't carry

797
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,400
that down to your children
because you don't need them

798
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,440
stressing.
But kids, kids hear everything

799
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,360
and they listen when you don't
think they're listening.

800
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,040
And some of the, some of the
stories that I hear from

801
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:52,400
teachers because I'm married to
1, the children's opinions that

802
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:57,920
some of them will state are, are
too old for them to state,

803
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,160
meaning they're hearing it at
home from mom and dad and they

804
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:07,040
think it's relevant to, you
know, 6th grade or fifth grade.

805
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,720
And it's not, it has nothing to
do with it.

806
00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:13,400
But they're, they're, they're
honing in on that and bringing

807
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:20,800
those opinions that no, no, are
not always positive.

808
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,440
We'll say, you know, I can't, I
can't really think.

809
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,520
I can think of 1, but I'm not
going to share it because that

810
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:31,720
would kind of that would it
would bring up if, if it would

811
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:35,600
bring up the situation that
that, Yeah.

812
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,160
And if anybody, if anybody's
listening to this that, you

813
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,400
know, knows us and knows the
events and stuff, it's yeah,

814
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:44,480
school.
And it's nothing bad.

815
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,920
It's just an opinion of
something that that a child was

816
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,200
sharing.
It was one of those like step

817
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,640
back.
Like what'd you say?

818
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,400
Like what?
It's like, you know, a little.

819
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:01,840
Pure adult.
Yes, way way too adult for an 11

820
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,200
year old.
One of the best. 11 year old.

821
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,960
People that I listen to, you
know, like for a lengthy period

822
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,400
of time, which is the only way
that I'll accept someone's

823
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,720
opinion is if I've listened to
him for more than a couple

824
00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:17,360
hours, Right, right, right.
And most of the podcast I listen

825
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,800
to her long form.
So this guy basically said

826
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:24,600
exactly what you just said and
then he followed up with you.

827
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:29,000
Talk to children about reality
at their level, right?

828
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,000
You don't tell a 5 year old
we're going to lose our house.

829
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,480
You just say that we can't
afford to buy that doll for you,

830
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,440
right?
We're just not in a position to

831
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,440
be able to do that right now.
Something like that, right?

832
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,560
It's so so I had this is you
like this.

833
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,920
So I have a friend from Rotary
that he runs a retirement home.

834
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,480
OK, memory care.
Phone there dude.

835
00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:53,640
OK, OK, so I have a friend who
runs, who runs a retirement

836
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,040
facility from, you know, just
I'm retired, I shouldn't say

837
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:01,800
retired, but the older
generation that can no longer

838
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,480
live alone, you know, so whether
it's.

839
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,360
Assisted.
Living kind of deal, right?

840
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,560
There you go.
So assisted living from don't

841
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,080
need a lot of help all the way
to holy smokes, your memory

842
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,480
care.
So he was sharing one day at

843
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,800
Rotary about how you deal with
the memory loss things.

844
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:20,160
OK, so let's just paint a
picture 20 years from now.

845
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,640
I'm cuckoo, OK, I wake up in a
minute.

846
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:25,440
No.
Well, this is this is where I'm

847
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,120
going with this.
Can I tell you because I've

848
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,240
known you now for 60?
Five years, right?

849
00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:35,640
Well, this is this.
This is the interesting, this is

850
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,520
the interesting thing.
No, you're good, but this is the

851
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,160
interesting thing about it.
So I wake up and I'm and I'm

852
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:46,880
knee deep in Alzheimer's and I
think, and I think, I think it's

853
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,200
it's 1993 and I'm going, I'm
going to the Mason jar to play a

854
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,280
show, right?
That could happen, right?

855
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,360
So, right.
So legitimately that can happen.

856
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,560
So as I'm walking around the
memory care place, I'm looking

857
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,480
for my mic stand.
I'm looking for my, my, my gear

858
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,000
for the show.
And I run into a staff member.

859
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,640
Now the staff member has two
options.

860
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,760
They can be like Chris.
You're 75 years old, man.

861
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,920
You've lost. 21.
Right, whatever the case may be

862
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,760
or or you say, you know what,
Chris, let me help you find

863
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,200
that.
Remember when you hide your mic

864
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:21,600
last?
Well, yeah, I had it at the at

865
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,520
the the last show.
We loaded it up in my truck.

866
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:24,960
Oh, well, it's probably out back
in your truck.

867
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:31,640
Let's let's go find your truck.
So they engage in that.

868
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:36,600
We'll call it a hallucination or
the memory because it's not as

869
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:43,040
detrimental as saying no dude,
you're in memory care like that

870
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,400
was 50 years ago.
You have no idea what you're

871
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,200
talking about.
You lost your mind.

872
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,200
There's no point.
In doing that because it's not

873
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,080
going to help that person in
that situation at that moment,

874
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,280
right?
So and then it dawned on me what

875
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,480
the story he shared was.
A woman got up and, and, you

876
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,920
know, 90 years old said she was
pregnant.

877
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,240
So you'd be like, well, that's,
it's physically impossible.

878
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:10,080
You're not pregnant.
But they played, they played

879
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,400
along with her being pregnant
because that's where she was at

880
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:14,800
the time.
That's where she was in her mind

881
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,440
and they played it out.
So it was a safe thing and it

882
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,960
was done.
They've done stuff with, you

883
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,640
know, they wake up looking for
my wife while your wife passed

884
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,560
like 10 years ago, But she's not
going to tell them that because

885
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,360
then all those emotional sorrow
is going to just compounding

886
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,920
down on that person.
So well, where was she last?

887
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:36,720
So they kind of they they it's
it's it's it's playing into no,

888
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:40,680
I the memory with agree with
yes, yeah, without.

889
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,760
And along those lines, I just
read a study that or they

890
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,600
completed a study.
I just read the article that

891
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:52,000
psilocybin, when even used in
moderation, will prevent

892
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,560
Alzheimer's by up to 50%.
It's been proved.

893
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,080
Yeah.
Well, we've, yeah, well, we've

894
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:57,760
talked.
About your neural path.

895
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,400
Yeah, we've talked about you're
not going to the same route for

896
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:02,680
workers.
I'd never do anymore.

897
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,920
I go there and come back
different when I go to the

898
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,040
office every time because it
keeps it keeps you kind of alert

899
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,000
and stuff.
So a little thing and then just

900
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,160
how I live my life.
There's so many different

901
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:15,200
things.
I'll read every now and then

902
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:16,640
like, oh, I do that, I do that,
I do that.

903
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,720
So you know.
Just music does the same thing.

904
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,280
True.
It basically keeps your mind,

905
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,920
well, music is one of the only
activities that you're ever

906
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,040
going to do that uses both sides
of your brain at the same time.

907
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,960
Right.
Yeah #3 negative talk about the

908
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,160
other parent.
Yeah, never ever, ever agreed

909
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,920
with that 1,000,000%.
There is no other option.

910
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:45,720
No, your fears are insecurities.
I can see how they learned the

911
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:51,520
confidence from the parent, but
at the same time I don't know if

912
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,080
I don't know if we have shared
fears and insecurities.

913
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,560
But I think you were probably
vulnerable around your children,

914
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,800
right?
To to some level, you know, it's

915
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,720
more.
So than a normal parent that I

916
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:08,480
would think of I would imagine.
Right, right, right.

917
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,200
Gossip about others, never
gossip, never because that just

918
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,000
it's a waste of fun.
That's a big thing.

919
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,920
That's a big thing in, in the
world today, right, Because you

920
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,520
have, you have the two faced
people, you know the, the Mean

921
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,560
Girls, right?
And then just the people that

922
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,720
that you know who they are
because they're going to, if

923
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,400
somebody talk shit to you about
somebody else, then nine times

924
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:31,960
out of 10, as soon as you turn
around and walk away, they're

925
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,440
going to talk shit about you to
somebody else. 100% And then if

926
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,560
you go one step further, my
other favorite adorable people

927
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,000
are the ones that say I really
hate when people talk about

928
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,760
other people and then that's all
they fucking do all day long,

929
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,520
but they don't realize it.
That's how oblivious they.

930
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,640
Are yeah.
So that's one of those things,

931
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,960
if you, if you, if, if
somebody's in your life talk

932
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,880
shit about other people, do you
be mindful of fact they're doing

933
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,600
the same thing to you when
you're not around?

934
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,840
Damn right there.
Which is, which is

935
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,880
disappointing, you know.
And I'm guilty.

936
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,800
I try so hard not to do that.
So if.

937
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,920
To be and to be honest, I don't,
I don't really talk shit about

938
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,960
anybody.
I mean, I'll talk shit about my

939
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,400
neighbors to the east, but
that's usually just with Nikki,

940
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,360
so I think most.
Of the time that you and I are

941
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,560
talking about people, it's well
deserved.

942
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,360
Right, they've done and it
shouldn't.

943
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,000
Be done.
You know, now we're doing a

944
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,800
public service announcement.
Right, kind of kind of like how

945
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,400
the public's opinion of Cam
Scataboo, you know,

946
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,240
participating in in Monday Night
Raw and he's getting lit up for

947
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:34,440
that.
So he blasted back to them

948
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,440
basically, if for those you
don't know, Cam Scataboo is

949
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,520
running back for the Giants, who
his ankle was like this and I

950
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,280
went like that.
So he's out for the year, but

951
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:44,640
he's making this immense
progress.

952
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,000
Well, the about 10 of the New
York Giants showed up at Monday

953
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,360
Night Raw.
I don't know if you've seen this

954
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:49,720
or not, Mike.
I have not.

955
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:53,680
But so, so they they play the
placate, you know, the little

956
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,880
scripted thing they come up and
the rushers are giving crap to

957
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,560
the Giants stands.
We haven't run the Super Bowls

958
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,080
in hell long.
And you know, there's some

959
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,520
pushing this stuff.
And then one of the Giants

960
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,360
players behind him launches one
of the other players.

961
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:11,600
And you know, it creates all
this this rub because Weiss

962
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:17,880
canvas Gadibou, who's on injury
reserve in a in a Monday night

963
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,000
Ross skit.
Well, number 1, he was behind.

964
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,200
He was in the crowd.
He was just in the front row.

965
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,720
He didn't really do anything but
get face to face with the guy.

966
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,880
So he didn't physically do
anything that was real because

967
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,720
then they were throwing punches
and stuff, which we all know it

968
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:31,280
wasn't more like a photo op.
Not real.

969
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,920
It was it was a skit.
Yeah, it always was a skit.

970
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,840
But people being people and
because they can't just step

971
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,680
back and realize it's wrestling,
it's not real.

972
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,000
Cam's like, look for those who
just hating on me, go ahead and

973
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,680
follow me.
Move along with your life

974
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,680
because.
That's my attitude.

975
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,040
I've I've done nothing in my
life but play football and I

976
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,560
have fun playing football and
now I'm at a point in my life

977
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,640
where I'm injured and I can't
play football.

978
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,760
So I'm trying to figure out what
I can do to help curb that

979
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,800
desire to have fun in his crazy
little fun way he wasn't.

980
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,120
So basically.
To try to injure.

981
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,320
No, no.
So he's basically like, read

982
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:12,960
between the lines, people.
Yeah.

983
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,720
If you don't like it, stop
following me.

984
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,720
You're not going to hurt my
feelings and have a nice day.

985
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,800
Right. 100% Well my life.
It's, yeah.

986
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,400
I mean, granted, he's the
public, right?

987
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:23,680
Right.
I mean, granted, he's now a

988
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,000
public figure.
I believe me.

989
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:30,400
Believe me, I know for sure.
But it's still just, it's just,

990
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:35,560
it's nuts, man.
Let's see we the I work issues,

991
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:40,480
my kids knew, understood that I
what I did for a living, deep,

992
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,600
deep work issues, you know,
homes should feel peaceful, but

993
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,160
with with what I do for a
living, it's I don't have 9:00

994
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,960
to 5:00.
So they knew that when my phone

995
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,840
rang, they had to be quiet.
You know, they knew why that I

996
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,760
had to answer my phone.
But that's why I had the rule.

997
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,240
I didn't answer after 7 on
Sundays because that was family

998
00:54:57,240 --> 00:54:59,280
time.
So they understood that they

999
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,280
respected that.
But you know, and I would still

1000
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:02,880
get looks, you know, as they're
growing up.

1001
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,400
I'm on the phone, you know.
Come on, come on, Dad.

1002
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,400
And I'd be like, I know, I know.
Give me a minute.

1003
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,600
I'm fine.
I trust me, you know.

1004
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,680
Kids are kids, they don't
understand everything.

1005
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,240
Right, right.
And but then they learn, you

1006
00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:15,800
know.
Sure.

1007
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,520
Private medical matters I don't
agree with.

1008
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,400
Yeah.
Private medical matters I don't

1009
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:21,960
agree with.
I think you, I think you need to

1010
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,760
be, I think you need to be
transparent with your children.

1011
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,000
If there's something medical,
that's that's an issue.

1012
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,640
Like they knew when my neck was
messed up.

1013
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,520
They knew when I had my issues.
You know what I mean?

1014
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,160
Because if you just wake up one
day and your dad and mom, mom or

1015
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,760
dad are gone because they had a
health issue that you didn't

1016
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,040
share, well, where's really
prep?

1017
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,160
There's just going for surgery.
Yeah, Yeah.

1018
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,800
Yeah, to me, man, there's so
many families that just spend so

1019
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,160
much time saying we don't talk
about this, we don't talk about

1020
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,040
that, right?
It's like, well, if you're

1021
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,680
taking the time to talk about
it, you might be a closer

1022
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,320
family.
That's all I'm going to say.

1023
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,680
I didn't raise a family, but I
did grow up in a family.

1024
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:05,200
And the reason we're still a
family is because we talked

1025
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,280
about things, right?
We went through bad things

1026
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,360
together.
We didn't separate from each

1027
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:10,240
other.
Nope.

1028
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,520
Exactly.
Exactly.

1029
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,520
Childhood trauma.
I, I, I didn't share with my

1030
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,520
kids my childhood trauma till
they were well into their adults

1031
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,760
aged.
I, I told Jake about it maybe

1032
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,280
two years ago, right.
Because you don't, you don't.

1033
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,520
And, and yeah, because childhood
trauma is a hard thing to share,

1034
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:35,040
but, and everybody has to deal
with their traumas and their

1035
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,440
PTSD in their own way.
So I don't, I agree with that.

1036
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,680
Like, like your childhood
traumas need to stay within you

1037
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,320
until you think your kids, until
it's relevant to share with your

1038
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,920
kids.
And if there's, you know, if

1039
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,160
there's, if there's a relevancy
to it, then by all means.

1040
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,440
But don't just do it just to
satisfy your own.

1041
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:55,880
It's that old thing, you know,
where, where when you go tell

1042
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,080
somebody bad news, Are you
telling somebody bad news

1043
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,360
because you want to get off your
chest or because you want to

1044
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,440
shift the ownership of that bad
news?

1045
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,200
Like if you're having an affair,
like you've I've heard this

1046
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,320
before where, you know, husband,
wife or have one of them's

1047
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,480
having an affair and then he
goes and tells, you know, the

1048
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,400
wife goes, tells the husband,
I've been cheating on you for 10

1049
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,600
years with, with so and so.
Is she telling you that because

1050
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:17,800
she's tired of carrying the
guilt?

1051
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,520
Or is she telling you that
because she really wants to like

1052
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:25,280
help you understand?
Hey, you know, so, yeah, that

1053
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,560
kind of that kind of stuff.
I I there's a time and place for

1054
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,080
it, but it needs to be relevant
to the conversation just on a

1055
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,520
random thing and and I won't go
down the path how ours came up,

1056
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,040
but it did and I shared it and
there you go.

1057
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,320
Inappropriate jokes or explicit
content.

1058
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,760
I I agree with that.
I don't because your kids are

1059
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,320
sponges and it and they're going
to like the next one is angry

1060
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:49,600
political opinions, those two.
Things you and I probably would

1061
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:54,040
have parted ways had I raised
kids because I just feel like

1062
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,440
words are just noises that come
out of your mouth.

1063
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,280
That's all the more power that
I've ever given them, right?

1064
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,440
So here's how I would have
handled it.

1065
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,640
Especially if you're going to
grow up in a musician's

1066
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,920
household, right, right, right.
Fuck is an adjective.

1067
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,560
It just is.
Now I work in a.

1068
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,240
Factory No no fuck.
Is an adjective.

1069
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,640
It just is.
My whole life has been

1070
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:18,600
surrounded by people who say the
word fuck all day long for So I.

1071
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:19,760
Wouldn't say inappropriate.
I didn't.

1072
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:21,120
I didn't say inappropriate
words.

1073
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,840
I said inappropriate jokes.
There wasn't words.

1074
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,760
Saying to me, you know me, dude,
I have, I have a fucking gallow

1075
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,080
sense of humor.
So if you're going to live

1076
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:34,320
around me, I'm going to say the
most inappropriate thing at the

1077
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,640
most inappropriate time because
that's how I deal with

1078
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,080
especially like if someone died,
I'm not the person you want

1079
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,760
around.
No, because the only way I know

1080
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,800
how to deal with grief was.
Laugh to laugh, right?

1081
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,080
Yeah, and that is so
inappropriate to most people.

1082
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:54,960
But yeah, I feel like I've done
the best I can to everybody

1083
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,360
while they're here.
So God forbid somebody I love

1084
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:02,440
dies while I'm sad.
I feel like I did the best I

1085
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:06,600
could at that point in my life,
right at keeping a positive

1086
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,240
relationship, keeping in touch,
letting them know that I care

1087
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,440
about them, you know, those kind
of things.

1088
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,520
I don't have any regrets.
We're all going to die.

1089
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,000
I'm hyper aware of that.
We just, I don't know.

1090
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,320
It's so, it's so crazy how
relevant a lot of things that we

1091
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,560
talk about are.
I literally just had this

1092
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:26,000
conversation.
I spend so much time by myself

1093
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,760
because I literally do not look
at the world the same way as

1094
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,720
everybody else.
And most people say, Oh yeah,

1095
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,960
neither do I I'm like, you have
no idea how wrong you are.

1096
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,520
You have fought into society in
the system.

1097
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,360
I never did.
I've tried to rebel against it

1098
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,200
since day one.
I participate as an actor every

1099
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:52,400
day but I'm hyper aware that we
only give get to live once more

1100
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:57,360
so than probably anybody ever
because most people live in

1101
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:01,120
their past which blows me away
which is how this conversation

1102
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:05,280
came up.
I'm like you have no idea what's

1103
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,240
what a waste of fucking time
that is.

1104
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:12,200
You can't change any of that.
And to steal a quote from Joe

1105
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,600
about drinking, you're literally
everyday robbing your fucking

1106
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:19,800
future by living in these
mistakes that you made that you

1107
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,920
can't correct.
You can only go forward, right?

1108
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,040
Yeah, yeah.
Had I given up on life and said

1109
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,000
because I was a drug addict, I'm
always going to be a failure, I

1110
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,480
would have always been a
failure.

1111
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,200
If you've had failed
relationships and you're afraid

1112
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,760
to do another, have another
relationship, you're stuck there

1113
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,560
too.
You're going to live there

1114
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:44,320
forever.
That was my point, right?

1115
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:48,880
You're robbing from every
fucking day going forward, I'm

1116
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,640
thinking about what's our next
show?

1117
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,040
What's our next move right?
What am I going to do musically?

1118
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,320
What's my next schedule look
like yesterday, to quote your

1119
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,240
however, you said that yesterday
is gone.

1120
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,640
Yesterday doesn't understand.
Yesterday is just Yesterday is

1121
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,480
just an illusion tackling
today's quest for tomorrow's

1122
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,000
dreams.
Yes.

1123
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,320
There you go.
That's it, man.

1124
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:18,960
I just, I'm fascinated at how
much stock people put into I'm

1125
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,880
going to be here tomorrow and
I'm never going to say make

1126
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,600
those same mistakes because I'm
never going to give that

1127
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,960
situation a chance again,
whatever it may be.

1128
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,440
Yep.
That's why people fail.

1129
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:34,800
That's why you're not Jeff
Bezos.

1130
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,080
You want to know why Jeff Bezos
is Jeff Bezos?

1131
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:38,560
Because he always thought about
tomorrow.

1132
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:41,680
Yep.
What?

1133
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:42,800
What are you telling?
Complaints.

1134
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:43,960
Yeah.
Yeah.

1135
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,840
Well, I know I I've, I've told
Jake and Sky, I've, I've had

1136
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,880
conversations like I'm, I'm 55
years old, like, you know, I'm

1137
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,920
not going to be around forever,
you know?

1138
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,720
And it's getting to that like
we're watching something the

1139
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,960
other night and this, this, this
character on Nurse Jackie.

1140
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,520
I don't know why it hit me.
It was weird it it was hauling

1141
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:05,520
the character hauling from
Northern Exposure, but he came

1142
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,680
into the hospital.
He was basically should have

1143
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,800
been to Hospice and he wasn't.
He didn't want to go to Hospice,

1144
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,400
didn't do anything.
But that for whatever reason,

1145
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:15,600
that moment of that character
being in the hospital bed, that

1146
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:19,680
hit me, like, fuck, you know,
it's like, wow, OK.

1147
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,240
We're all going to die.
I don't want to, I know, but I

1148
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,200
and I'm and you know me with
that dude, we're terminally ill,

1149
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,760
but it's just for whatever
reason, that scene with him, it

1150
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,320
just it hit me like I've never
been hit with it before.

1151
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,080
Like, yeah, I don't want to be
in a hospital bed when I die.

1152
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,560
Like just it was weird part of
it because I think he was an he

1153
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,000
was, he was an alcoholic.
He was like he was 22 years

1154
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:40,760
clean and they wanted to give
him morphine.

1155
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,320
He's like, I'm not taking any
morphine And he's, you know,

1156
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:44,600
I'm, I'm clean till the day I
die.

1157
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:48,120
He's like, and the guy's like,
look, man, like I understand

1158
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:51,080
that.
But you, you got this much time,

1159
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:53,560
right?
You know, so it's I.

1160
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:55,240
Just want to go to bed and never
wake up.

1161
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:57,200
Right, that would be the best
way.

1162
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,600
Or die while you're having sex.
Both of you die at the same

1163
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,080
time, you know, right At climax.
You both just.

1164
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,800
Yeah, because otherwise it's
going to be super freaky for.

1165
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,800
The Yeah, it would be.
It would be, yeah.

1166
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:15,880
That would even traumatize me.
Complaints about parenting I

1167
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:20,040
we've never, we never, you know,
it's we did for us.

1168
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,480
Yeah, exactly.
Secrets that weigh heavy.

1169
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,560
We didn't I don't think we had
any secrets legal or family

1170
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:27,960
disposed.
Never had any of those.

1171
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:32,520
We never played the the
comparison thing like keeping up

1172
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,360
with the Joneses.
We didn't have that mindset.

1173
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:36,960
We never criticize teachers or
friends.

1174
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,720
When I mean Nikki and I will
have those conversations now,

1175
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:41,800
but our kids are out of the
house and it's not so much

1176
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:43,480
criticizing.
It's just, you know, like we

1177
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,160
talked about the neighbors that
are assholes, right, sure

1178
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:48,800
regrets in our life.
We don't really talk.

1179
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,920
I've I've I've I've shared with
with both the kids.

1180
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,720
You know, if I could do things
certain things different, you

1181
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:58,480
know, I would over the years
because I think everybody has

1182
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,400
something they would do
differently if looking back on

1183
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:02,720
it.
But it's but it's not.

1184
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,720
That right there, right?
You're not living in your past,

1185
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:12,320
you're just saying I was young.
If I was to do this over again,

1186
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,360
here's how I do it.
And in your case, you've

1187
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:18,400
probably done those same things
differently, maybe 3 different

1188
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,320
times.
Well, and, and to, just to, to

1189
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,080
point that out, the conversation
I had with Jake a couple weeks

1190
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,840
ago, it's he's going to be 8 1/2
years in the Marines if he, if

1191
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:30,440
he decides to get out, I'm like,
dude, you're 8 1/2 years in.

1192
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:34,560
That's, that's a a year and a
half from a decade.

1193
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,680
And then it's only 11 1/2 years
from a career.

1194
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,120
I'm like, do you really want to
get out and have to start a

1195
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:44,200
career all over again with with
day one and go 20 years where?

1196
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:48,880
You know what I would tell him
right now to tell you how fast

1197
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,200
time goes.
Well, I no, I told him.

1198
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:52,920
I've told him I'm like, dude, by
the time you get out here, I

1199
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:54,040
just.
Moved 38.

1200
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,080
Yeah, 38.
I feel like I just moved back

1201
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,560
here dude and I'm 15 years into
another career.

1202
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,520
I know that's what I'm saying.
So that's what I'm trying to get

1203
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,680
him to understand that because
of what he does in the Marines

1204
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,360
right now, it's it's cake.
He wants to go back to drill

1205
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,760
instructor school and finish
what he started, which I, I'm

1206
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:12,680
like all by all means go do
that.

1207
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:16,280
And when he does that, by the
time he finishes that, it'll be

1208
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,680
12 1/2 years.
So it's like you might as well

1209
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,520
just stay because if you make
Sergeant, staff Sergeant or

1210
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,480
gunny Sergeant, you're
untouchable because you're not,

1211
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,960
you're just, you're the non com
and nobody will touch you.

1212
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:31,200
You're just going to coast.
And then I have a friend I've

1213
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,880
known since I was 15 that's in
the Navy, that's planning his

1214
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:35,400
retirement.
He's going to move back here, go

1215
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,400
up to Flagstaff.
And so that's how it kind of the

1216
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,520
conversation started because he
started telling me what he was

1217
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:40,720
doing.
So I started picking his brain.

1218
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,160
How does that work with the
military and whatnot?

1219
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:46,560
And it's kind of like with
teachers, you, your last three

1220
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,880
years of whatever your pay is,
that's what you get.

1221
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:53,240
So if you're making 5 grand in
the in in the military and you

1222
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:56,560
go retire, you get 2500 bucks.
And then Jimmy explained, you

1223
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,960
know the disability stuff.
So you chart every little thing

1224
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,120
that happens to you, rightfully
so because you're out there, you

1225
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:03,640
know, your body's being
destroyed.

1226
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,640
But the, the, all the little
nuances that you deal with from

1227
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:14,040
tinnitus to, you know, torn ACL,
you know, ruptured all the

1228
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,080
things you can do right in the
military because it's, it's

1229
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,520
unforgiving, physically
demanding.

1230
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,080
And so you keep track of all
that stuff.

1231
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,560
Then you can get your disability
like, you know, you can make

1232
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:26,440
2500 a month from regular
pension, but then another 5

1233
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,880
grand that's tax free from
disability, from all the little

1234
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,000
nuances that you dealt with
while you were there.

1235
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:34,320
So you're all of a sudden 7
grand at 28 years at 38 years

1236
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,280
old, with your entire life ahead
of you?

1237
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,320
I can think of two people off
the top of my head that I don't

1238
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,040
want to talk about.
I'll tell you off the air, but

1239
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:45,800
both of them are one of them
basically lived their whole

1240
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,800
life, did whatever they wanted
because they did exactly what

1241
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,560
you're trying to advise Jake to
do.

1242
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,480
He got a full pension out of the
military, the Army, and

1243
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,640
specifically and the other
person that I can think of, I

1244
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:01,000
went to school with and he went
all the way.

1245
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:02,640
Man.
He, he retired as a full

1246
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,480
Colonel.
So look up what they make as a

1247
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:07,520
fucking pension.
And he earned every penny of it,

1248
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:08,280
right?
He right.

1249
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:12,440
He gave 30 some years of his
life to the United States and.

1250
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,080
That's what I'm and so that's
the advice.

1251
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:16,960
That's the thing.
Hey if I go back in time some

1252
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:18,120
this is what I would have done
different.

1253
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,040
From that level, 38 years old,
he can do whatever he wants for

1254
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,280
the rest of his life because
he's always going to have money

1255
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,880
rolling in exactly hard earned
money.

1256
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:31,480
And that's but still, you're 38
years old, you're a young man.

1257
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:36,160
Well, in 38, when he's 38, it's
going to be like 28, right?

1258
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,360
Because that's what I'm when I
was, when I was a kid, 55, I'm

1259
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:40,720
moving into the retirement
facility.

1260
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:42,000
I'm dead in 10 years.
I'm 50.

1261
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,520
When you and I started Nemesis,
we didn't trust anybody over 40.

1262
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:49,280
They were old fucking people.
Yes, it's over the hill, man.

1263
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,160
Over the hill, man.
Scott thought he was old because

1264
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:55,080
he was like 27 or 28 at the
time.

1265
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:57,280
He's like over the be.
Dead before the bearing goes off

1266
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:04,360
the ground, Yeah.
All right, so then we got where

1267
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:05,400
are we at?
We are OK.

1268
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,720
So, yeah.
So envy or bitterness, we never

1269
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:11,360
really played that game because
we never were those type of

1270
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,480
people, you know?
But you know, a lot of Cardinals

1271
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,160
go back and forth.
I love you.

1272
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:16,399
I don't.
I hate you.

1273
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:17,479
I love you.
I hate you.

1274
01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:21,560
Yeah, kids see that.
Yep Yep, the negative self talk

1275
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:25,160
or body shaming.
There's a lot of that goes on in

1276
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,439
households.
And then blaming them for

1277
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,479
stress, you know, and there's a
little bit of truth to that last

1278
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:32,800
one.
Like there's some stuff that

1279
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:37,439
that we dealt with that, that I
didn't blame anybody.

1280
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:42,200
But you have that, that, that
when you, when you had know how

1281
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:46,920
to explain it, the family member
that that struggled and then

1282
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,439
you, you adapt your life to help
that family member.

1283
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:51,840
But then you realize, OK, I just
gave up this life that I was

1284
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,600
working for because I had to
make sure that person could be

1285
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,520
successful.
So it's not it's.

1286
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:58,880
Kind of like you had to take a
time out, so to speak.

1287
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:00,960
Right, right.
So it's, it's, it's not an

1288
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,920
intentional blame, but you still
you because you're human,

1289
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:06,840
there's still a little little
ounce of resentment.

1290
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,399
So when they do something that
you don't necessarily agree

1291
01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:10,920
with, that kind of stirs up that
emotion.

1292
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:12,399
It's like, you know what the
hell?

1293
01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:13,560
Why, why, why are you doing
that?

1294
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,640
Why you can't you just be
grateful for what we did?

1295
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:19,399
Or you know what I mean?
Yes, so, but and it's not and

1296
01:09:19,399 --> 01:09:22,399
it, it's truly.
That is the human element for

1297
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:23,680
sure.
Right, right.

1298
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:25,920
So it's truly not who I am.
And it's like, yeah, but but

1299
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:27,680
that's part of that dynamic
that.

1300
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:31,399
I think a lot of times people
forget that as a human being,

1301
01:09:31,399 --> 01:09:34,080
we're an animal as well, right?
We're a mammal.

1302
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:36,880
So we still have an animal
instinct.

1303
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:38,960
We still have that DNA in our
coding, right?

1304
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:41,279
Right.
Chris knows I'm such a nerd that

1305
01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:45,160
I've researched this stuff down
to the nub, right, to the point

1306
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:47,399
of why people do what they do.
And that's it.

1307
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,640
He just described.
That's not who I am.

1308
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:55,080
But you can't sometimes you have
to understand, you can't stop

1309
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,440
those emotions.
And I have ways that I deal with

1310
01:09:57,440 --> 01:09:59,720
them, right?
I'm crank my guitar up to 11 and

1311
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:05,040
jam for an hour.
Instead, most people let those

1312
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,080
things fester and build up and
then their kids suffer because

1313
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:09,160
of it.
I think that's where that

1314
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:13,160
statement comes from.
Instead, you were like, time

1315
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:14,840
out.
I love this person.

1316
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:19,840
What am I going to do to
dissuade these emotions?

1317
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,120
And in your case, I'm sure at
the time you went and fucking

1318
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:24,400
ran.
Right, right.

1319
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:27,880
But that's yeah.
So that's the thing that she

1320
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,960
just, you know, don't we're all
human.

1321
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,400
So just recognize the human
aspect of your life and and, you

1322
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,480
know, roll with it because, you
know, you nobody supposed to be

1323
01:10:37,480 --> 01:10:38,840
perfect.
And that's the biggest problem I

1324
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:40,760
think a lot of people have.
They just they think you have to

1325
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,880
be perfect as a parent and you
don't you're not raising perfect

1326
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:45,040
children.
You're raising children, you're

1327
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:49,200
raising damaged goods because
nobody's flawless, right?

1328
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,560
Nobody's perfect and the P And
if you try to raise a perfect

1329
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:53,800
child, you're going to do the
complete opposite.

1330
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:55,840
And they're going to rebel
against that and go down dark

1331
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:57,920
paths because nobody can be
perfect.

1332
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:02,040
You have to let them kind of be.
And we've learned a lot with and

1333
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:03,400
hanging out now with tripping
Anthony.

1334
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:07,440
It's it's a weird the dynamic of
approaching of things with them.

1335
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:11,160
And then you start watching
Skyler and how she's a mother

1336
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:16,000
and how she's a wife and you, we
see things that she picked up

1337
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,520
from watching us.
And we have that rarity

1338
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:21,240
nowadays, right?
Because you can't, it's hard to

1339
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,240
find somebody to spend together
as long as we have, especially

1340
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:26,680
with me going through alcoholism
for a while and and then dealing

1341
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:28,800
and dealing with the family
struggle we had for a while.

1342
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,280
Because those things can, can
tear people apart because we've

1343
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:32,960
seen it.
I'm like, we've, we've seen

1344
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:34,480
that.
You see it all the time.

1345
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,480
It's easier to play the blame
game and walk away and start

1346
01:11:37,480 --> 01:11:42,760
over and hit reset than it is to
just suck it up and fucking deal

1347
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:48,000
with it and create a stronger,
deeper bond with your spouse

1348
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,000
because you went through that
together.

1349
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:54,080
There's so few people willing to
put forth that kind of effort

1350
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:55,120
nowadays.
Though, right?

1351
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:57,360
It is because that's why we're
talking to Steph Conger.

1352
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:00,400
Remember, it's two years, the,
the, the happiness of the

1353
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,200
relationship starts fading away
and, and two years in one day.

1354
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,960
And the average marriage is 3
1/2 years because they spend the

1355
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,440
next 18 months either trying to
figure it out or argue with each

1356
01:12:08,440 --> 01:12:10,280
other.
So they hit that 18th month and

1357
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:12,880
which is a 3 1/2 year mark.
And like, I'm out, I'm just

1358
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:13,800
done.
I can't do it anymore.

1359
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,360
And but that's the vicious cycle
that you see now.

1360
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,840
And more and more people are
doing that instead of just

1361
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,480
stepping back and, and you know,
hey, let's work through this.

1362
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:24,400
Let's build something that's
going to last.

1363
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:28,280
Or, and here's a crazy idea,
let's just talk every day so

1364
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:30,160
that we don't ever get to that
point, right?

1365
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:32,600
Mm.
Hmm, so many people just don't

1366
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:34,480
talk.
Nope, Nope.

1367
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,640
I have go ahead, go ahead.
No, go ahead.

1368
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:40,400
No, no, no, no, no, no go.
Ahead, I have friends who talk

1369
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,280
to me independently of each
other, right?

1370
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:43,040
Right.
Right.

1371
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:47,720
Both of them know that.
Well, not both of them, but I

1372
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,000
have many.
I actually have several sets of

1373
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:53,400
friends that I know both
couples, Right?

1374
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:55,880
Right.
And the amount of things that

1375
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:59,240
they don't talk about together
without giving away any of their

1376
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:02,880
secrets just fucking fascinates
me, right?

1377
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:04,400
Yeah.
It doesn't make me want to stay

1378
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:06,440
single.
It makes me understand why I'm

1379
01:13:06,440 --> 01:13:10,480
single because I am.
So we've discussed this.

1380
01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:13,680
I'm so different than everybody
else that I'm not going to spend

1381
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:17,200
time arguing about fucking
nonsense, right?

1382
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,320
We're either a united front and
we're together against the

1383
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,280
world.
And what I mean by that is we're

1384
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:26,720
going to work out our shit first
and then worry about anything.

1385
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,400
An outside influence, right?
And that's the approach there

1386
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:31,560
should be, and that's the
approach that we took as we

1387
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:32,600
raised our kids.
It was.

1388
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:35,560
Which in my opinion, is why you
guys were successful.

1389
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:37,360
Probably and same with your
parents.

1390
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,840
Yes, same thing.
It's the people that, that write

1391
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:44,000
it out and, and goes and, and
again, and I've said this

1392
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,480
before, like Nikki and I are
very unique in the fact we, we,

1393
01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:50,360
we've had really one bad year of
the entire time we were

1394
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:51,800
together.
And it's because of my drinking.

1395
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:54,280
And I may have been two years,
but I don't, I don't really

1396
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:57,440
remember, you know, if it was
1224 months of that.

1397
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:01,320
But aside from that, we never
really argue.

1398
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,040
We have disagreements.
Yeah, we don't.

1399
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,440
We don't yell at each other.
We've never really.

1400
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:07,440
That's all.
Except for the except for the

1401
01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:10,000
one time, except for the one
time which the next day I woke

1402
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,080
up, something's got changed.
That's when I stopped drinking.

1403
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:14,520
But I recognized it.
Sure.

1404
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:16,800
And there was an outside
influence.

1405
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,360
That's not you.
You're not a violent.

1406
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,160
Person, right?
And, and I was never violent as

1407
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:22,640
an alcoholic.
I was functional.

1408
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:26,080
I did my job.
I, I, you know, but so if you

1409
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:28,920
take, if you take a relationship
on a whole, we had one real

1410
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:31,440
rocky year because of my
drinking.

1411
01:14:31,440 --> 01:14:33,760
We had another little rocky year
when her brother died and there

1412
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:35,960
was a little bit of guilt there,
I think because he wanted to

1413
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:39,000
come live with us.
And she didn't think it was

1414
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,840
right to have him come live with
us because of just, you know, he

1415
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,720
was a party animal and stuff.
And I had, I had stopped

1416
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,360
drinking by then.
And, you know, and then

1417
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,600
unfortunately within I think a
month, he ended up passing away

1418
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:55,160
from just terrible, tragic
single car accident type thing.

1419
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,280
So I think she carried guilt
with that for about a year

1420
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:00,120
because, you know, why wouldn't
you?

1421
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,280
I mean, it's human nature.
I told him, no, he can't come

1422
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,840
and now he's dead.
Not her fault she couldn't

1423
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:06,240
control the circumstances around
it.

1424
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,560
He had, she had actually nothing
to do with how he passed away.

1425
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,520
He never even expressed
bitterness because of that.

1426
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,560
It's just it wasn't the right
time in her eyes to allow that

1427
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,760
to happen.
And I respect that.

1428
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:19,920
But I think she carried guilt
with her for a year with that.

1429
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,800
So that was, it wasn't a bad
year, but it she was just off

1430
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,840
that whole year and you could
just tell there was there was

1431
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:29,320
sorrow and pain and and Nikki's
not one to really talk about

1432
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:30,760
things.
So it's you got to kind of pull

1433
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:32,400
stuff out of her and if she
wants to talk, she will.

1434
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:34,000
If she doesn't, you don't, and
you respect that.

1435
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:37,040
Because you just do, right?
We probably have a lot of that

1436
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:38,320
in common.
Like, yeah.

1437
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:39,480
So I don't think you need to
know.

1438
01:15:39,480 --> 01:15:41,280
I'm probably not going to tell.
You right.

1439
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:45,240
So it's one of those things that
that you just step back and love

1440
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:46,200
them.
Yeah.

1441
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:49,240
You know I'm here, you know.
But that's what you're willing

1442
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:52,120
to do instead of, you know, if
you don't want to talk about it,

1443
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:55,200
then don't be over there sulking
or, you know, yes, now you're

1444
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:57,400
now you're just compounding her
problem, right?

1445
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:01,160
Because you're talking to an
introvert and now you're telling

1446
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:04,200
them that either there's nothing
wrong or you're going to talk

1447
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,280
about it, which is impossible
for them at the time.

1448
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:07,880
Yep.
Agreed.

1449
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,560
I don't.
It just fascinates me why it's

1450
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:15,560
so hard for people who claim to
love each other to not put forth

1451
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:17,920
the effort that you just
described.

1452
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,000
Right.
You took the time to understand

1453
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,920
this is how that person is.
That's what you have to do.

1454
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,760
You have to be willing.
You didn't understand overnight

1455
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,320
that she was introverted and at
that was moments in time.

1456
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:31,760
She's not willing to talk about
certain things.

1457
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:35,640
Yeah.
It took time for you to say, OK,

1458
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,240
scratch my head.
Well, it happened again.

1459
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:41,760
OK, I guess I'll just sit back
and wait for her to come to me,

1460
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,960
right?
Yep, Yep.

1461
01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:46,440
And that's the thing.
You just don't.

1462
01:16:46,440 --> 01:16:51,200
You don't know so, and the
communication is communication.

1463
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:54,000
Communication is completely
necessary.

1464
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:57,120
Yeah, you got to talk to people.
Otherwise the flux capacitor in

1465
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:58,840
the whole thing just goes down
the tubes.

1466
01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:00,960
Yep, it's that simple.
Just talk to people.

1467
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:03,880
So we're going to wrap this up
because I got to pee really bad.

1468
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:08,640
That's a good time to wrap it.
Up and I'm sure you got to go.

1469
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:10,200
It's, you know.
I'm hungry.

1470
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:12,160
Go eat some food.
Oh, yeah.

1471
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:15,840
And so, you know, as as we do
with always, if you're feeling

1472
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,200
sad, depressed, suicidal, don't
do it.

1473
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:21,760
You know, go scream in a pillow.
Go journal, go write, go run.

1474
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:23,920
Go work out.
Go do something to change your

1475
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:25,440
mindset.
If you can't find somebody to

1476
01:17:25,440 --> 01:17:28,480
talk to, text 988.
Everybody is sitting there

1477
01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:31,480
waiting to help you get talk you
off that Cliff, off that Cliff,

1478
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:34,360
off that ledge.
Tomorrow's a better day because

1479
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:36,000
you're in it.
Someone does love you and they

1480
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:37,400
will miss you.
So don't be that person that

1481
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:38,880
leaves a hole in somebody else's
heart.

1482
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:41,200
He's he's Mike.
I'm Chris.

1483
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,800
This is the Chris and Mike show.
And thank you for allowing us to

1484
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:46,000
spend time with you today
because we know your time is

1485
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:47,520
valuable.
We appreciate your presence.

1486
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,280
All 29 countries of you.
Yes, we do.

1487
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:54,040
Thank you so much for tuning in.
We love you all.

1488
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,360
We love you all.
Yeah, God bless you.

1489
01:17:56,360 --> 01:18:00,400
We love you all.
Peace out everybody.

1490
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:01,800
Love you brother.
Love you too man.

1491
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:03,480
Let's see you peace.