Nov. 19, 2023
#4 - Musical Ramblings
A general chat about music, more of our time in Nemesis, and the difference for bands starting out today vs. the way it was for us in the early 90's
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Rock'n'roll.
I love boys and girls.
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That's Mike Michaels on guitar.
This is the Chris and Mike Show.
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Thanks for coming by and having
a listen.
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What is that?
Is that something new?
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I just made that up as we're
sitting here.
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You know me, man.
I know I roll.
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It just comes and comes and
comes and comes.
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I have no, that's what she said.
I was waiting for that.
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I set you up, buddy.
You did set me up.
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I.
Have no idea where all that
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comes from.
I'm just thankful it does.
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Yeah, that's like me with
writing lyrics.
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They just pop into my head one
day and then boom, I have a
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song.
Yeah, you know, it's the muse.
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It's the muse.
I'm wearing my bison.
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This was this was a thing we did
at the Yellowstone, right?
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Yeah.
Yellowstone before Yellowstone
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was cool with the did a 5K on a
Friday and a half marathon on
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Saturday in the mountains.
It was fun.
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That's awesome.
So because we did both we got
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these 16 point 116.2.
I'm sorry, the bison challenge.
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It was pretty cool thing called
vacation races, which we've done
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quite a bit of you you they have
these destination races where
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you go like we've done Lake
Powell, Yosemite, Yellowstone.
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We were going to do Iceland
before COVID hit, but then COVID
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hit shut the world down.
That one would have been cool
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because that was a global
adventure for vacation races
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where you you'd run every day
like 5 KS and then the second to
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the last days of the half
marathon and you're with a group
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of people and you see all the
stuff and all the things you
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know that's awesome.
It would have been cool, but it
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got shut down because the COVID
don't.
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Here we are.
Hey, I ran 9 miles today on the
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treadmill.
That's not.
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That's the fastest I've gotten
since my recovery.
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Very nice.
So that was cool.
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That's a six 4640 mile.
I only did it for 1/4 of a mile,
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but you know, I'm still capping
my my running at a mile and a
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half.
I can't go any further than
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that.
So what was your actual injury?
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A little bit more.
A stress fracture on my second
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metatarsal.
So essentially, I broke my foot.
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Out.
And they had to do surgery.
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Well, the fun thing is is no, no
surgery.
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It was just a hurry up and wait.
The fun thing was I did it
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probably in December of 21 at
the Laughlin half, probably
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hairlined it.
And then the three doctors that
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had the first two were absolute
idiot dumbass motherfuckers that
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wasted my time and caused more
injury because I kept running.
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Second one I got decided to have
me run on inclines, 'cause she
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said it was my gait and I'm
like, well, my gait's never
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changed, but she had me doing
inclines on treads, so I started
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doing 4% minimum incline all the
way up to 7% still going at that
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time, 'cause I was in
outstanding cardio shape, you
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know, I was doing, I did AI, did
AI, did my mile benchmark run
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back-to-back, same day,
unbeknownst to me with a broken
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foot, and he got both under 6
minutes at 52 years old.
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That's impressive.
Yeah, with a broken foot.
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But you didn't realize it was
broken.
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Because then by March that year
is when they finally, like,
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started cross referencing Mris
and realized, oh shit, yeah, you
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have a stress fracture, your
second metatarsal, and yeah, no
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shit, you think.
I've just been telling you for
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months there's something wrong
with me.
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I walked in the door.
X-rayed me.
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Yeah, it's been a month now.
Exactly that I've been baby
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stepping everything, you know,
just cool.
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It's it's it's good to be
running.
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It was it was nice to get up to
9 miles an hour today on the
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treadmill.
I'm not going to lie, that was
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that was a good thing.
That was a very good thing.
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I haven't done that, and I don't
know how long.
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I hadn't run since February of
this year.
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So you know, it was good.
And then I stopped.
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I I just.
I hit my while and a half and I
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walked.
It was 23 minutes on the
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treadmill today, but I followed
the rules.
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I stopped at a mile and 1/2.
I kind of Joe, how are you?
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Mike Michaels, How was your day?
Well, I can definitely
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appreciate your progress on
recovery because.
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Not that long ago, when I
decided that we were going to
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write music again, I realized
that I had been playing all
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along, but I had not been really
playing.
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You know, there's a difference
between just messing around,
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sitting on the couch and
actually being able to
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physically make it through a
song without stopping, making
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mistakes, being frustrated
because you physically can't do
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it right.
My stamina and my dexterity had
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gone by the wayside for a lot of
things, so.
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To be able to sit down and do
what I just did even 8 weeks ago
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would not have been possible.
I couldn't make it that far,
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being that technically
proficient, so it's nice to be
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on the flip side of that.
Well, you had you had something
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called.
I had trigger finger.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, trigger finger.
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So explain what that is so our
our audience knows what that's
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about.
It's not about.
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No, it's definitely not from
shooting guns.
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It's from years and years of
repetitive motion, you know, AKA
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playing a guitar, working on an
assembly line now for the last
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13 years.
So you wake up in the morning
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and your finger is literally
like this.
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It's like a hook and no matter
what you do.
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You can't open it physically on
your own.
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You have to use your other hand
to pry that finger open, and
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it's some of the most
excruciating pain you've ever
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been in your life.
Man, I screamed every time I did
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it.
It just hurts uncontrollably and
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there's really nothing they can
do for it other than it either
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heals itself or you have to go
see a surgeon orthopaedic and
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get that tendon cut and then.
Basically sewn back together so
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it's stretched out again.
You've pulled that tendon so far
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that it it can't stretch
anymore.
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So luckily my sister is a
physically or a physical therapy
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assistant.
So she gave me some exercises to
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do and they worked.
She's very good at what she
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does.
And thank you Melissa, for
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telling me what I needed to do
because that actually worked.
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I did it religiously every day.
It was just basically you take
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both your hands and put them
together.
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And as far as you can stand, you
know, bend them one way and bend
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them back the other way and just
hold it there for like 5 seconds
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at a time.
You're just working that tendon
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out so that it stretches.
It doesn't get stuck while you
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sleep, it gets stuck.
That's why you wake up with your
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finger like that.
So yeah, very thankful to be on
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the men.
I have these funky.
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Yeah.
And see, I have these funky
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pinkies.
See my funky little pinkies,
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They're just these weird little.
They like to just hang loose for
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real, man.
Hey, which is, you know, never
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affected my ability to sing at
all.
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Let me tell you something that's
going to come back around on
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this podcast.
Remember the Pinky folks?
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Because when my buddy Rob is a
guest on here, his pinky is more
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jacked than anybody I've ever
seen in my life and it for some
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reason he just won't get it
fixed.
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So.
We'll have him show everyone.
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It's hideous.
Really.
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Oh, it's Oh yeah, What do you do
to his pinky?
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I'll let him tell the story
because he tells stories better
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than anyone I know and you will
be laughing your ass off.
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It should be the most downloaded
podcast we have.
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If anybody likes comedy and
funny stories, we'll just call
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it The Pinky Show.
It'll be funny, that's.
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Awesome.
Struck me as funny when you held
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your pinkies up.
I'm like, I got a story about
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that, right, right.
So last week we talked about
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Sammy and David.
Do you hear the news that
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Sammy's doing a tour with
Leverboy and it's basically a
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tribute to Eddie that was 2?
That was two weeks ago, OK?
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Was it 2 weeks ago?
OK?
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Yeah.
Last last week we talked.
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Two weeks ago we talked yeah.
Oh, that's right.
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OK yeah.
So two weeks ago we talked about
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Beverly Roth versus Sammy and
then Neanderpal local jock here
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in Arizona who's a huge, huge
presence in the radio world in
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Arizona.
He was alluding to it.
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I saw it earlier because I I
get, yeah, I get emails from
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Ticketmaster agencies and all
those places that update me on
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stuff.
And so, yeah, Loverboy and Sammy
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Hagar.
And this, the set list
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apparently is all Van Halen,
which Neanderthals a little
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irritated because he loved
Eddie.
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And there was never any type of
memorial, you know, for for
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Eddie at all.
There was a couple of songs
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played during the oh Tyler, I
Forget his Last Name or Taylor
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Hawkins.
Taylor Hawkins tribute that Foo
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Fighters did and Wolfgang came
on stage with them and did a
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couple Van Halen songs.
That apparently was the the
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extent of an Eddie Van Halen
tribute.
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I don't know if that's OK.
So the.
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Last thing that I read, not to
interrupt you, but the last
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thing that I read from Sammy was
that, yeah, yeah, no, no, no.
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He was offended that there had
not been a tribute to Eddie, but
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he didn't feel like it was his
place to do it when Wolfgang and
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Alex are still alive, right?
And nobody's heard from Alex in
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a long time, and that's his
business.
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I mean, I'm not saying that he
should do anything one way or
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the other, but nobody should be
busting Sammy's balls for not
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doing an Eddie tribute.
You know, he feels like that's
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not his place.
Oh, I I no, I agree.
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And I don't think there's
anything wrong with Sammy going
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out and doing an entire tour
wrapped around Van Halen music
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because he and Eddie wrote
brilliant songs, right?
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I mean, Sammy, he was in the
band.
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He's not that.
He's in the.
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Hall of Fame as Van Halen right
he's Sammy's not that right and
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and Sammy individually solo wise
he's he's he's not that great of
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a songwriter I mean nothing
against the man you know not
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that in the first stuff we ever
wrote is you know in the hall of
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but he's just not like he
reached he released stuff with
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the Circle I think is what he
called his last project and it
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was just it was stupid like he's
trying too hard I think is what
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it is like you just got to let
that shit flow I've never tried
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it whenever I wrote music or
wrote lyrics you know to songs
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if if if I got to the point to
where there was nowhere else to
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go with that song.
I'd just stop and I would never
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force myself to write anything
because I think if you're forced
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it then it's it's not genuine
and then you just you're just
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you're pulling cliches together
and.
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I'm going to agree.
If it doesn't flow, then don't
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write it.
I'm definitely going to agree
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with you on this one.
I like what they do as a
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musician, but from from a
selling or commercial
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standpoint, right away, I
understand.
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Nobody's going to like this
except other musicians.
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You know it doesn't have that
hook.
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You listen, listen to any CCR
song.
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Why do people still listen to
CCR every day by the billions
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it?
It sucks you right in, man.
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Let me give you a statistic for.
For the longest time, I wonder
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who the greatest songwriter in
the world was.
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I just recently watched ACCR
documentary I Was Blown Away
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Man, obviously.
I still top of mind could be
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anybody you know I still.
Cannot big explosions.
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I can't believe that this is
even true.
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In 18 months, John Fogerty wrote
5 gold albums.
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That's insane.
Five.
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That's insane.
Yeah, in. 18 months, 18 months,
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Kyle.
And what was it?
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Between it was between 1969 and
1971 I believe.
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It's just unbelievable.
Well did.
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I lose you.
And what was it?
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What was his?
What was it?
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Yeah, I lost a little bit.
What was his?
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Did you did you talk about his
his reason for doing so?
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He was going to lose his record
deal if his next record wasn't a
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hit.
So he felt like every song
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should be a good one.
Yeah, it's it's it's it's too
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bad that the industry now just
focuses on one hit wonders and
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there's no there's no labels
anymore really backing.
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There's no distribution backing
because everybody can just do it
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themselves and.
So that's you just don't get.
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That's the con of it, right?
The pro side of it is you and I
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are sitting here 2000 miles
apart doing a podcast with
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modern technology, right?
So we can also write an entire
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album on the on the same
equipment, correct.
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So the the good side of it is,
oh, absolutely if.
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You and I were in the 90s when
we formed Nemesis.
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We were limited to analog gear.
We went in an analog studio.
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We recorded the tape.
There was no digital anything.
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Then there was a DAT and a few
things that were kind of.
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Breaking new technology that
very few people had.
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Pro Tools was in its infancy,
but we basically played with
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Marshalls through big giant PA
systems and everything was
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analog.
Now my studio right here
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consists of a MacBook Pro and a
nice focus right Preamp and a
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couple other magic things that
don't really mean anything to
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anybody but you and I.
So.
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There's the pro side of it.
You're right.
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The con side of it is a band
doesn't get to develop the way
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we did in Nemesis either
nowadays, correct?
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Very few of them.
You don't go out and play clubs
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for years and then get noticed
and start selling CDs at a slow
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pace and get a development deal,
which is what we had at one
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time.
You just don't see those things
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happening.
But I guess you know Justin
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Bieber got famous just off.
YouTube or TikTok or whatever he
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did.
So there's the pro side of it
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again.
He didn't need anybody.
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Yeah.
Well I yeah, yeah it's like the
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the I don't know if he.
I think he's the current singer
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of Journey, that the Filipino
guy, you know he got discovered
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because of his YouTube right.
Journey karaoke basically, you
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know.
And yeah.
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YouTube they found it on YouTube
you know and I got I I recently
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downloaded a Journey a Journey
album that was all their live
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stuff and it's he's really good
at Steve Perry's level of
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singing to where oh it's if you
close your I love Steve Perry.
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The Journey was one of the bands
that grew up loving.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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So there's a couple tracks on
that that I had to look at to
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make sure that it was actually
Steve and I think his name is
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Arnad, Arnad Pinimoir or
something.
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But you can, you can kind of,
you can kind of tell because
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Perry's personality comes
through his, his character, you
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know, shines through his, his
vocals.
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So you can kind of tell his
nuances if you, if you've
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listened to him like I have
since I was, you know 10 years
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old.
See, you can see it.
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You can hear it.
You can hear the differences a
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little bit.
But but Filipino dude man has
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fought on with the most of the
stuff that it's just like the
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delivery of some of the words
that makes you realize, OK,
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that's Steve, that's not the
other guy or vice versa.
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But if you're looking for a a
live a live album of journey,
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it's it's phenomenal.
It's a really.
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Oh, he's.
Definitely as close as anybody
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that I've ever heard.
It's a really good Yeah, Yeah.
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So let's see the brilliance of
music.
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It's no I got Escape.
I remastered Escape, which was
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cool.
That's a great album too.
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Escape.
I used to fall asleep to that I.
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Just listened to that one at
work the other day.
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It's amazing.
It's a good album, man.
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Oh yeah.
You know, another tune that just
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came up the other day that I had
forgotten about because they
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wrote that candy ass shit in the
80s was what?
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God Starship.
Jefferson Starship?
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Find your way back.
Oh, oh, Jefferson.
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Holy.
Shit, everybody.
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Do yourself a favor and go out
to YouTube right now.
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And type in.
Find your way back by Jefferson
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Starship and turn it up.
What do you got there?
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I don't have my glasses on, bro.
Yeah so that's the journey.
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That's the greatest.
That's the it's the greatest
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hits journey album.
Oh, my thing's fading, There we
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go.
And the artwork, which I don't
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see the relevance to it but the
arc was done by Duff Mckagan of
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obviously Guns N' Roses fame,
Bad ass.
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But it's it's it's seventeen
shots.
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I got my glasses.
On.
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Trying to look cool but I'm old.
It's OK.
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It's OK.
It's got 17 tracks on it you
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know and they're all I mean you
know all the songs that on this
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on the slide thing are are the
hits exception of one I don't
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know why no fire but everything
else I've heard of and it's it's
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a jamming.
It's a jamming album, man.
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For for a live, a live thing for
sure, you know.
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So yeah, it's it's good.
It's good.
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So yeah, if you, if you know, if
you're a Journey fan, greatest
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hits, it's it's a good, it's a
good thing.
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I will definitely have to check
it out because I do like
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listening to that guy's version
of the songs.
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If you can't hear Steve Perry,
you might as well hear somebody.
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And that's why it's supposed.
To see yeah.
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Oh, this one is mostly Steve
Perry.
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It's.
Mostly Steve Perry on that live
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because it's you can.
Yeah yeah OK There's a couple
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that that aren't odd things but
for the for the most of it Steve
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Perry and you can tell you can
tell by the the delivery of the
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words and the melodies and you
know I saw something on Steve
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Perry the other day on YouTube
dudes like flowing Gray hairs.
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It's he's going to it's one of
those things man.
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All the rockers from our youth.
Are going to just casually be
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gone in the next 10-15 years?
And I don't, I don't don't like
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that.
I know these.
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These are all getting old.
You know you don't and you don't
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growing up in the MTV era,
right?
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You have this.
You have these visions imprinted
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in your brain.
They're burned in your mind.
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You know what those journey
looks?
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Like and then you see them now
it's like holy right?
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Right, Like like right now the
Scorpions are doing the 40th
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anniversary all the.
Time first thing, man. 40 years
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ago, love and first thing came
out and it was a baby boom.
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Because Still Loving You was one
of those songs.
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That right?
You see them now and they're
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just totally grave mind.
Boggling.
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Yeah, but they probably sound
all wearing.
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Hats because they don't want
anybody to see that they don't
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have any hair.
It's like, OK, it's all good.
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I don't have any hair.
Yeah.
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Yeah, I'm sure I haven't.
I haven't.
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I haven't seen them in a while.
I don't either.
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But you know, I I, you know, I
didn't have hair when we were in
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Nemesis because I shaved it.
OK, So there there's a good
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story.
I had a bald cap.
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I was a play.
There's a good story.
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Yeah, so I just.
Showed.
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Yeah, I was in a play.
I just showed one of my friends
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that picture and then I'll let
you continue with your story.
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I apologize, the person picked
you.
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As me, because I'm bald,
Correct.
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They're like, that's you, right?
And I'm like, no, I'm the dude
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playing the guitar, right?
I told you I was a guitar player
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for how many years?
And I can't believe you had that
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long hair?
And I said, well, let me tell
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you another story.
He shaved his head before it was
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socially acceptable and everyone
was, like, scared and shitless
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of him.
That just wasn't done back then,
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you know.
No.
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And the irony of it, which we
got and and.
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See the irony?
Back then?
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I had a uh huh, I had a blue, I
had a blue lifted Ford pickup
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and on the back windows I had an
American flag and a Arizona
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flag.
I live with a with a black guy
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who was in the Muslim stuff in
Farrakhan and I was wearing
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unbeknownst to me because of my
ignorance, I used to wear this
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red and black checkered flannel
with black Doc Martens.
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So we we'd walk around them all
together and he'd be wearing his
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Muslim Farrakhan hat.
And I'm in this red and black
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flannel.
And we'd go in this corner into
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the stores, you know, the
corner, and we'd just watch
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people go out the other side and
like, what the Hell's going on?
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And then finally, about a year
later, I realized, oh, I got a
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shaved head, looked like a total
Skinhead because of how I
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dressed, which was nothing
intentional.
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It's just it was the flannel
era.
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And then Courtney, that was his
name, he's he's all into the
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just anything.
Louis Farrakhan.
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And and I forget some of the
guys that he was, he was really
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into and reading and studying
and he was in the Tai Chi and
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all this, you know, chakras and
stuff, really great human.
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But it just the two of us
walking down the street just
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caused alarm, you know?
And the the the whole reason I
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shaved my head was because I was
in a play and we were doing the
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dress rehearsal.
And that's basically the night
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before the show goes on.
You you walk through the you run
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the entire play for just, you
know, the directors and the the
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staff and my bald cap rip When
we were taking off the makeup
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and stuff.
And it would have taken 2 weeks
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because Amazon didn't exist to
actually get the bald cap from
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New York.
So I was like, well, fuck it,
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I'll just shave my head.
And you know, it was shoulder
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length, you know, And I mohawked
it the night that for one night
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and went to campus the next day
with a Mohawk and then right
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before the play shaved it off,
put the ball and then they have
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to do ball cap, just make up it
up.
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And that was it.
And then I showed up at band
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practice, I think 2 days later
with a shaved head.
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And you guys are like, what?
That's what I was just going to
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ask you.
So when I met you, I knew you
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had hair, But I was convincing
myself as you were telling this
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story that you never had hair.
But I'm like, I know he had hair
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when he joined the band.
You're right, you showed up that
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day and everybody was like, holy
shit man, what did you do?
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But it gave us such a unique
look, man, because Rick had his
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hipster look, you had the shaved
head, which made you look mean
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as all hell.
And Scott and I had long hair
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and we look like long hairs,
right?
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We look like rockers at that
time, yeah.
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And then about a month after,
right, right.
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And then about a month after I
did it, Michael Stipe from
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R.E.M. shaved his head.
And then, thus, the world began
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embracing white men, shaving
their hair off.
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This is a true story.
I forgot.
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What the hell?
Michael Yeah, yeah.
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But yeah, but legit nobody, I
mean, nobody shaved their heads,
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man.
Like no one, that's why.
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And of course in in.
You know, college because it was
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a college production.
You know, all the chicks were
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like, Oh my God, you're such
gorgeous hair.
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Really.
Really.
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Why did you say so?
Why?
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I still had gorgeous hair?
Why do you wait till it's all
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gone to tell me?
I had gorgeous hair.
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I actually used to get that
while I had it, so I can't say
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that.
Right.
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I always got asked the question
she.
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Has gorgeous hair.
Because then, you know, I always
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got asked the question, where do
you get your hair done?
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And the answer was always the
shower.
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Because if I had to put forth
any effort to do this, it
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wouldn't be there, right?
You know me better than anybody,
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man.
I didn't go get my hair done in
448
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,400
a salon.
Yeah, it was just naturally
449
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,600
curly.
That's that's probably why so
450
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,320
many, right?
That's probably why so many
451
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,440
rockers throughout the years,
their hair gets shorter and
452
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,560
shorter and shorter.
Like I saw something with with.
453
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,080
I think it was.
I think it was that Joe Rogan
454
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,000
thing I saw with David Lee Roth
on his he's buzzed military
455
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,080
buzz.
You know, he had this long
456
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,320
flowing lion's mane.
You know, that was one of his
457
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,680
trademark things.
And now he's just, you know,
458
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,040
this much hair on his head.
At some point you got to say
459
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,800
enough's enough.
You know, you either, I guess,
460
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,800
embrace the fact that it's all
gone, to quote the great George
461
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,280
Costanza, right?
These are the remnants of a once
462
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,720
great civilization.
You have to come to that
463
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,960
conclusion.
It's got to go.
464
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,840
Or you rock the skullet and
everyone laughs at you because
465
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:24,000
you don't know you're bald yet.
Yeah, right.
466
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,640
Even even Miles Kennedy from
Alter Bridge, he he had, he's
467
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,360
always had kind of long shoulder
length hair that keeps creeping
468
00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:33,040
up when they just so.
And they were here recently.
469
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,360
It's not, it's not as long as it
used to be.
470
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,520
And it's grand.
So when they post pictures and
471
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,440
stuff on their page, I'm like,
yeah, I get something current,
472
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,760
man, because that one's probably
from a couple years ago.
473
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:48,200
But I'll tell you so at the end
of the day, you think back and
474
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,680
at least I have to laugh because
I'm like, what the fuck, man?
475
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,440
It's so much better now to just
be able to get up and go.
476
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,520
My grandpa used to ask me all
the time when I'd come home for
477
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,200
Christmas.
He hated my hair, so I'd get the
478
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,840
same question every year.
Yeah.
479
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,480
You think that long hair makes
you play that guitar any better?
480
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,720
And I'd be like, no, it just
looks cool, you know?
481
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,480
And he'd always say, not from
where I'm standing.
482
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,360
So there you have that.
He hated it.
483
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,440
Yeah, long long haired freaky
people need not apply, right?
484
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,920
It was cool at the time and you
know, we all, we did have a good
485
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,760
look and that was part of the
band.
486
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,200
It was part of who we were.
It was important that we had an
487
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,120
image.
You have to sell an image.
488
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,600
You're you're selling a sound,
you're selling the songs, but
489
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,640
you're also selling an image.
You can't just go up there and
490
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,360
look like everybody else in the
crowd, right?
491
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,160
Nobody wants to see themselves
get up there.
492
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,760
They want to see some.
Like you said, they want to see
493
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,080
the long haired freaky people do
something to entertain us.
494
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,280
So we did.
We played loud, aggressive music
495
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,480
that you couldn't talk over
because it was loud and
496
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:05,840
aggressive I.
Don't know if it was aggressive.
497
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,640
It was more, it was, it was, it
was, you know, it was, it was
498
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,160
Hard Rock.
I would say Hard Rock.
499
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,760
I don't think we were aggressive
at all.
500
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,000
I could be wrong.
Well, not like death.
501
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,440
We were, we could play.
We could play with anybody.
502
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,160
Exactly.
No, no, no.
503
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,600
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm just saying that we we found
504
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,120
our niche we could play with.
Anybody.
505
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,200
Absolutely.
That was our niche as we could.
506
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,440
We could play with absolutely
anybody, which is why we worked
507
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,960
3-4 nights a week.
Yeah, right.
508
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,120
Yeah.
And the trippy thing is, and I
509
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,520
think last week we talked about,
I totally forgot, we opened for
510
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,400
Marshall Tucker Band.
And I, you know, there's one of
511
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,240
my all time favorite bands and I
just back then I didn't even
512
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,520
register that we were opening
for Marshall Tucker.
513
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,280
I didn't.
I hadn't.
514
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,240
I hadn't yet.
Like expanded, That was one of
515
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:04,160
your first gigs in the library.
At that time, yeah, yeah.
516
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,960
Yep.
I was trying to remember the
517
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,920
other day, Marshall.
Tucker Band and I still listened
518
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,600
to him to this day.
OK.
519
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,000
So we'll we'll scratch the story
I was going to tell because I
520
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,680
just put something in
perspective.
521
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:28,120
So we opened up for Marshall
Tucker and Sacred Reich just to
522
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,760
prove your point.
That we could put Enough's
523
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,480
enough.
We opened up for yeah, Enough's
524
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,120
enough.
Tony McAlpine, Pat Travers.
525
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,760
There was a there was a little
known band in the 90s who were a
526
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,640
one hit wonder and I had to go
back and look up what the song
527
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,440
was.
And I'll never remember what it
528
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,160
was now, but I do remember the
band.
529
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,640
Yeah, we opened up for a band
called Catfish.
530
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,560
Do you remember that show?
I do, yeah.
531
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:58,800
They had a really.
I remember.
532
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:04,240
The song, if I remember the
band, Yeah, look up that song on
533
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,760
YouTube when you got time, man.
You'll remember the song right
534
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,600
away.
It was on KU P/E all the time,
535
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,320
OK?
It was one of the ones that was
536
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,320
in the rotation.
OK, and they played it to Mason
537
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,040
Dryer and we opened up for them.
I was going through my folder.
538
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,080
I got all the tickets from all
the shows that we played.
539
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,440
Nice.
Yes, somehow that was in
540
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,200
something that I got back from.
I have some.
541
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,400
Stuff somewhere.
Yeah, right on.
542
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:37,640
I have to find my.
My box, I have a yeah, I have a.
543
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,320
You should reach out to him and
see if he has anything else that
544
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:50,760
he's not not being forthright
about having, because I don't
545
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,560
think he threw everything away
like he says.
546
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,600
Well, maybe he'll listen to the
podcast and he can send me a
547
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,760
message if he's got something.
It's all good.
548
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,440
I don't hold any ill will
towards anybody, especially him,
549
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,080
because he made sure I didn't
die when I was at the worst
550
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,200
point in my life.
So I have nothing bad to say
551
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,840
about anybody.
It's I did my shit, they did
552
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,280
their shit and we're still, you
know, you can't change the past.
553
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,880
I can only change the future.
So if you happen to listen to
554
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,120
this Kevin, and you want to say,
hey, it's all good, man,
555
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,480
Everything's good.
We're all different people,
556
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,800
right?
Yeah, last last I ran into him,
557
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,040
I I I helped him.
I helped him with something.
558
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,200
I think it was real estate
related.
559
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,240
And he's he's a he's a foster
parent now.
560
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,520
He fosters kids.
I see that he's still my friend
561
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,440
on Facebook.
So yeah, he always.
562
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,680
I think that is really great.
I admire him for doing it.
563
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,840
Yeah, it's been a while so.
So your friends on Facebook but
564
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,800
you never poke at him?
No, I just.
565
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:58,840
I don't know.
If he doesn't.
566
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,280
I don't know.
I guess I'll just say, hey,
567
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:04,880
sometimes you just got to say
hi.
568
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,640
Yeah.
Say, hey, that's kind of what
569
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,360
you did to me.
We what up.
570
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,680
You know, we we would go long
periods without talking and all
571
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,040
of a sudden you'd pop up just
out of the blue.
572
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,760
Or like my mom would run into
you out in Arizona, or my
573
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,800
brother would run into you and
they'd say, hey, and you and I
574
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,000
have always kept in touch,
though.
575
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,440
There's just something between
people who have gotten to the
576
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,640
level of being in a band that we
have that you can't break that
577
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,560
bond.
Agreed, agreed.
578
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,680
There's there's there's no and
nobody understands unless
579
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,840
they've been in bands they've
been on stage and performed
580
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,440
thousands of shows and different
been there done that you know
581
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,080
yeah it's just it's a whole
That's why when when black bands
582
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,280
that have stayed together with
the the same lineup.
583
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,320
You know Flex?
Well, Scorpions had the same
584
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:58,720
brand, no?
Because they got rid of Herman
585
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,680
the drummer.
I don't know who's in it now
586
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,400
like Rush was.
Rush was scorpions?
587
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,120
Well, no.
Russians started out, maintained
588
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,360
the original anime Anchor near
the Guns and Roses.
589
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,880
Fuck, maybe the Stones and The
Who?
590
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:21,199
Oh, no, they've had until.
Remember, as far as OK, the core
591
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,560
members are the same.
If we're going to count that,
592
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,120
Charlie Watts, Keith Richards,
Mick.
593
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,159
The bass players have changed
throughout the years.
594
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,440
Ronnie Woods Been there long
enough to be considered it.
595
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,880
Wasn't always Bill White Rolling
Stone.
596
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,400
Well, he's the original, but
he's gone now.
597
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,320
But he died, didn't he?
Yeah, I knew he.
598
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:43,239
Was gone.
I knew.
599
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:48,080
But no, Charlie died.
I think Bill has just left, OK?
600
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,600
ZZ Top was the same three guys
for all their years.
601
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,960
That's true until that one of
them died and they're still
602
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,440
touring, which I don't know how
you tour your your main basis of
603
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,120
ZZ Top, the two long bearded
guys out front it.
604
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,320
So here's the story behind that
and.
605
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:15,120
Yet you're still touring his
long time base tech of, I don't
606
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,960
know, 30-40, 45 years.
He was there for a long time.
607
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:26,120
It was Dusty's blessing that
they continue on with him
608
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,640
playing bass because Dusty said
he was every bit the bass player
609
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,760
that he was, if not more.
He wanted them to do it.
610
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,240
Oh.
That's cool.
611
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,840
Yeah.
That was like in his dying
612
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,920
wishes or it was in his will or
there was actually physically
613
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,280
documentation saying we, you
know, this is what I want.
614
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,840
I I would like the band to
continue.
615
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,280
This guy's as good as I was or
have ever been.
616
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,760
And you know, he wouldn't have
been my bass tech if he wasn't a
617
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,880
good bass player, right?
Just like a guitar player is not
618
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,640
going to have a they're not
going to have a guitar tech that
619
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:04,720
can't play guitar.
That's cool.
620
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,760
I did not know.
Usually your guitar tech is as
621
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,080
good as playing and they know
how to fork your shit.
622
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,400
Not one single original member.
They're still touring.
623
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,840
As for like.
How's that work?
624
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,640
Like Journey has the core of the
band, you know?
625
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,000
And then you have a singer that
can pretty much emulate Steve
626
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,840
Perry on point.
I still have never seen them
627
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,640
with with without Steve Perry.
I don't.
628
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,840
I don't, you know, it's just I
just don't like, I just don't
629
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,280
like it, you know, I just, it
wouldn't.
630
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,000
It just doesn't work for me.
It's, you know, it's kind of
631
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,560
like, I don't know.
I just it doesn't.
632
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,320
I don't think you should call
yourself the band name if you
633
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:51,280
don't have at least the core
members left and foreigners.
634
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,480
Just the name now has nothing to
do with the the band because
635
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,080
it's they're all different.
My opinion anyway, I don't.
636
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:04,440
You know, I would say as long as
as long as you have the blessing
637
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,320
of the original members and the
original members are getting
638
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,840
paid, then I don't have a
problem with it.
639
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,640
But when there's a deal like,
let's say Great White, when
640
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,120
Great White had all their
problems, Jack Russell went his
641
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,840
way, the band went their way,
and then there was a legal
642
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,960
battle, then ensued over that
name.
643
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,440
Right then I have a problem with
it.
644
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,440
It's like either everybody gets
to use it or nobody gets to use
645
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,200
it.
That's when it's a problem.
646
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:35,480
KISS has got something set up to
where they want KISS to continue
647
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,560
with no original members in the
not too distant future.
648
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,320
But that's their wishes.
They want to keep making money
649
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,640
off it, and if people want to go
see it, you know, who are we to
650
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,880
say I'm I'm with you, I'm not
going to see it because I
651
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:54,520
remember the original, but a 14
year old kid right now doesn't
652
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,320
have that same option that you
and I had, right?
653
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,400
So maybe he wants to go see as
close to Kiss.
654
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,080
As he right but then they but
right right but then they they
655
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,400
need to they need to be tribute
kiss you know kiss you know
656
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,480
asterisk tribute band when they
do it because you.
657
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,000
You're not.
I get you authorized by kiss off
658
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:14,600
your name.
And stuff.
659
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,240
But you you just right something
to that effect to where it's
660
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:21,200
not, you know this isn't the
original product, but it's as
661
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,400
close to the original product
you're going to get.
662
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,880
You know it.
Just so you want a disclaimer
663
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,480
because there's plenty of cover,
there's no original members in
664
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,320
the fan.
Come at your own risk.
665
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,800
Right.
Yeah, because if you didn't
666
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,320
know, I'm fine with that.
I think I was.
667
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,440
A huge Foreigner fan and I.
Right, right.
668
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,680
If I'm a huge Foreigner fan,
which I like Foreigner for, that
669
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,040
was about it.
I like some of the stuff that
670
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,800
Luke Graham did on the solo
stuff.
671
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:53,120
But if I'm going to go see
Foreigner, I I'm walking into
672
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,760
that that venue expecting to
hear Lou Graham sing.
673
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,520
So if Luke Graham's not singing,
what am I paying for?
674
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,840
You know, that's agreed it's no
different like like Queen's
675
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,480
Reich, right?
They had their split and their
676
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,400
nonsense and chaos.
I would like to point out one
677
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,160
band real quick, the name before
I would like to point out one
678
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,720
thing real quick.
I would like the audience to
679
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,480
realize that's how we wrote
songs.
680
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,480
Do you notice how that we
resolve that problem very
681
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,160
quickly without arguing?
Nobody raised their voice.
682
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,960
That's the kind of vibe that
we're looking for on this
683
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,560
podcast.
A lot of people are asking me
684
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,400
why I'm doing this.
What I want to get out of it,
685
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,560
What I want to get out of it is
a lot of things.
686
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,120
But the main thing I want to get
out of it is to show the world
687
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:42,560
what a connection two people had
and how you can have
688
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:48,400
conversations and debates and
disagree without getting
689
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,960
excited, getting in an argument,
if you have your point, and I
690
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,080
have mine, and we know that
we're not going to agree, we
691
00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:00,520
agree to disagree.
That's why I kept asking him
692
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:05,760
questions until I got I wanted
to get to the root of what you
693
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,520
were getting at.
I thought I knew what you meant.
694
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,600
But I had to keep asking the
right question until I got there
695
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,600
right.
What he's asking for is he wants
696
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,920
the public to be.
Aware that the band has no
697
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,160
original members because he's a
huge Foreigner fan, but he's a
698
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:28,080
fan of Lou Graham, just like I
would be a fan of Mick Jones as
699
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,240
a guitar player, correct?
Right, right.
700
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,600
I just want the world to see
where we're coming.
701
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:34,800
That's the thing.
Like was cool.
702
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:37,920
Right.
And it's that's the concept with
703
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,400
Queen's right.
Like everybody knows Jeff Tate
704
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:40,000
left.
Queen's right.
705
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,600
So when Queen's like tours they
they know it's not Jeff Tate
706
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,960
because then Jeff Tate when he's
trying Jeff Tate of Queen's
707
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,680
right, you know Jeff Tate will
do.
708
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,880
He's come he's come through
Arizona so much since he went.
709
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,320
So it's kind of like dude you're
wearing you're welcome out.
710
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,360
Stop, let me ask you this.
Have you seen?
711
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,560
Shows up and does a show.
Have you seen the other guy?
712
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,680
No.
I heard you even hurting.
713
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,760
I haven't even heard him.
I need to do myself a favor and
714
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:08,800
go listen to him.
I don't.
715
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,240
Yeah, yeah.
I haven't.
716
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:12,520
I haven't heard of, but I've
heard.
717
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:17,320
I've heard that he he's like
just younger stronger voice.
718
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,640
You know the other mind blowing
thing.
719
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:25,040
Jeff Tate smokes like Freddie
Mercury smoke I don't blows my
720
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:29,360
mind And Freddie Mercury smokes
like a pack a day Shit.
721
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:34,120
I It blows my mind how singers
some people just have just.
722
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:38,040
Knowingly.
Yeah, I just genetic.
723
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,720
But those guys didn't live to be
that old, so who knows?
724
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,600
They might have blown their
voice out, you know.
725
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,840
Well Freddie Mercury died from
AIDS.
726
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,960
The complications not has
nothing to do with smoking but
727
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:55,120
just the the fact that like you
know all singers you you push
728
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,840
the the power comes from your
diaphragm you know and then you
729
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,160
and you can inject your throat
you know know how to manipulate
730
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,600
it to where your throat singing
and.
731
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,000
And combination of both, which I
did in Nemesis.
732
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,480
There's stuff that was all
throat.
733
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:08,680
No throat.
You know what I mean.
734
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,960
But somebody with a range like
Mercury and and just his his
735
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,480
power and presence as a singer
alone.
736
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:21,000
I didn't, I didn't know until
years years ago that he's like
737
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,360
was a just a a chain smoker.
I'm like what the fuck.
738
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,000
Like any man who cares.
You're playing guitar chain
739
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,800
smoker.
You know you do little
740
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,680
background harmonies here and
there, but.
741
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,480
You're not.
You're not doing a show.
742
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:38,000
A 90 minute show, singing and
and constantly smoking like I've
743
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,160
I've seen stuff from Metallica's
tour where Hetfield's sucking
744
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,640
down cigars side stage before he
goes on.
745
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,040
I'm like, what the fuck are you
doing?
746
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,720
Like you're you don't inhale
those.
747
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,040
Yeah, but you're still but
you're still fucking hitting the
748
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,560
cigar, man.
Kept even worse.
749
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,400
You're still hitting the cigar.
It's still hitting your throat.
750
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,000
Whether you inhale or not.
It's still.
751
00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:05,080
You're still bringing an element
into your into your instrument,
752
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,440
which singers.
I understand where you're coming
753
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,480
from to.
Where you you, you just right.
754
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,480
It's just, you know I've had my
share of problems with my voice
755
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,320
over the years.
But it's it's never something
756
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:21,400
that I I I abused knowingly.
And to me, smoking as a singer,
757
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,560
just knowingly willingly abusing
your instrument, it's kind of
758
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,800
like you with guitar.
Like you you'd mentioned
759
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,040
earlier.
Like if you don't play, you'll
760
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,280
lose it and you have to get back
to that constant.
761
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,640
Where you just fiddle around
with it every day for a couple
762
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,040
hours getting your rhythm back
and your fingers back and your,
763
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:41,080
you know, it's it's no different
than if if I decided oh, I'm
764
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,160
going to go you know join a
cover band and sing two nights a
765
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,760
week.
I'm not in vocal shape to do
766
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,080
that.
There's there's going to have to
767
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,320
go back you know get a go back
to voice teacher for a couple
768
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,280
months and.
I mean, I still know all the
769
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,520
drills and exercises, but it's
just always good to have
770
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,040
somebody that that like a
trainer, you go work out.
771
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,240
I don't go work out by myself.
I go work at Orange Theory
772
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,000
because they have trainers that
this is what you're doing.
773
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,680
This is how you do it and it's
you need that well and that's
774
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,280
something that very.
Rare do I think.
775
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,520
Think about from a singer
standpoint is you're carrying
776
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,000
your instrument around with you
at all times.
777
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,760
So a singer is always in fear of
getting sick.
778
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,880
And usually singers are not
germophobes, but they're they're
779
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:29,360
very much, they're more aware of
things like that because you are
780
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,280
carrying your voice around with
you and if you get sick, you
781
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:33,880
Can't Sing and you can't
perform.
782
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:38,520
Like you said, I can get blown
out drunk, I can get stoned, I
783
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,200
can do whatever, and I can still
get up there and play my guitar.
784
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,480
Because you're playing comes
from your subconscious.
785
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,720
Yours does too.
But your instruments also part
786
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:52,640
of your body.
People take that, that you know,
787
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,040
if you don't hang out with
musicians, you don't even think
788
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,440
about That is what I'm getting
at.
789
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,200
Only musicians actually think
about the singer because you
790
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,600
hear it all the time.
Hey man, you know, if you're
791
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,840
sick, stay away from me because
I got a show tomorrow.
792
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,640
Yep.
That's why I was always even
793
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,760
before Knuckles were cool.
It was, you know, I don't want
794
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:20,560
to shake your hand.
Yes, you know, it's just just
795
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,240
you know.
You know, before, before all the
796
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:30,040
hand sanitizers and shit, I
always was just, you know,
797
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,600
that's the one thing about
microphones too, is like you.
798
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,360
Just you never from a singer
standpoint and nobody touches my
799
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:37,560
mic.
Like, fuck off.
800
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:38,400
Don't.
No.
801
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,160
He even had his own mic stand
that he could have killed
802
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,640
somebody with.
Do you still have that?
803
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:44,920
Yep.
Yep.
804
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,520
I I I don't.
It broke.
805
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,720
The guitarist and my last band
decided to be funny to throw
806
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:55,920
something in the trailer when we
were packing up for the Road to
807
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,200
Sturgis tour and and and broke
it.
808
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,200
Oh man.
And then?
809
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,880
Right then and there, the
drummer was like, oh, right.
810
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,720
And then the drummer's like,
that's a bad omen.
811
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:06,840
That's a bad omen.
So I gave it.
812
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,280
I I connected with Neil.
Who explained, explained to the
813
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,280
fine people who are listening
what we're talking about because
814
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:14,880
they have no idea what we're
talking about.
815
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,520
So either describe it to him or
if you have a picture, I.
816
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,520
Wish I had a picture.
But I don't have a picture, but
817
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,720
I have a tattoo.
So the tattoo which you can't
818
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:26,200
really see, I'll have to take a
picture of it and somehow get it
819
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,560
on.
But the tattoo, this mic stand
820
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,120
was fucking Neil.
Drew the tattoo because Neil
821
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,720
Neil created, right, right.
So the mic stand itself was my
822
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:38,280
hand.
We we molded my hand in this
823
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,080
resin.
So I was holding the mic like
824
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,200
this in my hand and the whole
thing went down, like, where's
825
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:49,680
the went down to my shoulder.
But this was up, so my my.
826
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,640
The base of it was raven's
claws.
827
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,360
And then it came into my arm.
My whole.
828
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,400
So cool.
The whole.
829
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,120
Entire arm was like like
straight up, straight up to
830
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,440
where when I stepped to the mic
I'd be stepped into my hand the
831
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,160
mic.
We had a so the mic would fit
832
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,640
right inside my hand of the mic
stand itself and then I I would
833
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,840
wrap my hands around my hand and
single thing weighed probably
834
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:20,240
what you know.
Yeah, yeah, probably 15 lbs it.
835
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:21,840
Was A.
It was made of black resin.
836
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,400
And you and the cool thing about
you could really, yeah, but you
837
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,720
could, you could see the veins
the way he did it.
838
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:31,680
You could actually see my actual
veins in the sculpture itself
839
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,880
because he was an art student.
So it was an art project that he
840
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,400
he did and he got an A on it.
You got, oh, you got, yeah, many
841
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,560
compliments on that.
I'm decided it'd be.
842
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,240
It was always a talking point.
It was before.
843
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:48,800
People bands like corn.
Oh yeah, Long before being out
844
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,360
with their.
Long before.
845
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,520
Yes.
Yeah, I I was the mic stand
846
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,440
originator.
You very well might have been.
847
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,480
Who knows?
I mean, we played so many damn
848
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,200
shows, dude, who knows who saw
us?
849
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:06,520
You know, when we got on the
plane to fly back here to play a
850
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:11,080
gig in Illinois, like probably
five or six people that were
851
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,880
from Phoenix had been to one of
our shows at The Jar or The
852
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,440
Ballroom or Boston's or
whatever.
853
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,440
Right on.
We played a lot of shows, I
854
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,720
remember.
Boston's.
855
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,520
Yeah, Yeah, that's Yeah.
If you got booked at Boston's,
856
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:29,840
you were a big deal at that
time.
857
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,880
Uh huh.
Yeah.
858
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,000
Yeah.
Wow.
859
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,560
We need the scene like in
Phoenix ticket steps.
860
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,840
And we can go over the I don't
know, I haven't.
861
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,880
I don't really go.
I've every now and then I'll
862
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,040
check out with some friends,
we'll go see cover bands and
863
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,560
casinos.
But I haven't.
864
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,480
I haven't picked up a New Times
in 20 years and that's where all
865
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,520
the band stuff used to be.
I just, I don't know.
866
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,320
When I go to record stores, the
record stores I go to don't
867
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:10,040
really promote local bands,
which is kind of shitty other
868
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,040
than ASU.
That's how we got all ours.
869
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:18,400
I I.
Just yeah, that was the best
870
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:19,560
thing.
I was going down ASU the last
871
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,280
time I went.
Out finding the hottest chicks
872
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:28,640
you could Scott and I rather
enjoyed that job.
873
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:30,080
Hitting the.
Pavement.
874
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,120
Oh, I bet you did.
You know, it's like, yeah, we'll
875
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:39,280
go sell the tickets.
Yeah.
876
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:44,840
Yeah, good old Scott.
Did you reach out to Rick at
877
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,040
all?
Did you poke at him?
878
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,440
No, but I need to, William.
Richard Carr, the 3rd I'll get
879
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,920
on that.
He always looked at me funny
880
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,440
when I introduced him, when I
did the banner introductions,
881
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,080
you know, and he'd always look.
At me, like with that little
882
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,480
evil eye, when I'd say William
William Richard Carr, the third
883
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,960
on base, get the stink out.
It's Rick, man.
884
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,680
William Richard Carr, the third
Mr., Mike Michaels on guitars,
885
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,280
Scott Connor on the drums.
Ladies and gentlemen, please
886
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:27,000
welcome Mr. Chris Dunham.
Yeah, that would be me.
887
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,000
We did that a few times well.
Where are we at?
888
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,880
We did.
We do that a few times for sure.
889
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,720
I I introduced, I think, I think
every set we ever played.
890
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:38,520
I introduced the band.
I did every time.
891
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,440
Not introducing the band, no,
you did it just like that.
892
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,600
It's just it brought it brought
back memory.
893
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:49,600
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You have to, man.
894
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,440
People need to know who you are
and why you're there.
895
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:57,680
You know, everybody always left.
That's the whole better than
896
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,240
they can of it, right?
Yeah.
897
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,760
Everybody always left our show
happier than when they got
898
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,200
there.
So I guess ultimately which is?
899
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:08,400
Cool.
Because not all.
900
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,880
Yeah.
I would say ultimately for you
901
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,240
and I, that would be our mission
statement or mantra for this
902
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:17,560
podcast is we hope that when you
get done listening to this, that
903
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,720
you either laughed or cried or
thought about something or just
904
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:24,080
had an emotion and that it made
you happy.
905
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,320
If they're tears, I hope they're
happy tears.
906
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,360
You know I want positivity bred
into the world now, right?
907
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:35,080
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, because not all my songs
908
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,640
were were happy, you know?
No.
909
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,760
No time for hate, no, but I
think.
910
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,200
That wrote were happy either,
but it was.
911
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,120
I think the it's.
The way they were delivered,
912
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,920
people could resonate with him
and they could catch on to it.
913
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,600
I think the point that they're
missing, though, is the ones
914
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,840
that weren't positive were
therapeutic to you in your own
915
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,080
personal way that we knew
because you shared it with us,
916
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,080
but the public never got to hear
that, you know, So what they
917
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,560
would interpret as, wow, that's
an angry song.
918
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,320
It might have been an angry
song, but that was your way of
919
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,200
dealing with it without hurting
anybody.
920
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,280
Absolutely.
Music is therapeutic.
921
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,280
Absolutely.
So if it needed a OH.
922
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:23,000
Yeah, without If it needed a
tough guitar riff, we would make
923
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,160
it a tough guitar riff and it
would support the song.
924
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,560
It would support the message.
It might make it sound like it
925
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,440
was an angry song or that you
were being angry, but it was.
926
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,960
Music is therapy, man.
Some of the nicest guys I've
927
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,480
ever met in my life play the
heaviest music.
928
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,520
Those death metal guys, all
they're doing is trying to scare
929
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,080
people.
They're the nicest guys you'd
930
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,520
ever want to meet for the most
part.
931
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,800
They get their aggressions out
on stage every night.
932
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:48,240
Oh.
Yeah.
933
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:48,960
Well, yeah.
Yeah.
934
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,200
Yep, exactly.
Yeah.
935
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,920
People don't.
Not everybody but there's
936
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,320
there's collective groups in in
in my lifetime that never you
937
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,960
know when when the whole Tipper
Gore shit was going on oh
938
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,360
Metallica's Satan worshippers
and you know AC DS use the
939
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,760
devil's music all they didn't
nobody understood it was it was
940
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,280
nobody's evil man.
It's just it's just show.
941
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,200
It's it's a character you step
into.
942
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:21,360
It's you know, you.
You couldn't be metallical
943
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,560
without having that dark,
imminent presence.
944
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,160
Because.
It was such ground breaking
945
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,600
music and such so, so off the
wall.
946
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:30,720
Where the hell did this come
from?
947
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,640
Like you could never release an
album called Kill Them All Today
948
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,680
with that cover on it.
There's no way like that's not
949
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,720
going to fly.
Destroyed, You know, Right.
950
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:43,080
But back then, it's just.
I mean, that's the thing, man.
951
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,840
Nobody Metallica did for heavy
metal what?
952
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,400
What Grunge did what Seattle did
for grunge, right?
953
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,600
Because there's two different
eras of time.
954
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:58,560
And when Metallica broke in and
kind of hit the mainstream that
955
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:03,680
that nobody heard that fucking
driving angry just in your face
956
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,480
like fuck you here I am music
like they put out, you know, I
957
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,400
mean I like all the Metallica up
to black and black I think kind
958
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,800
of made them commercialize,
which there's a whole debate
959
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,800
that we won't go down there.
But I liked everything pre
960
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,560
black.
I Black's all right.
961
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,440
Right.
Black's all right, but Black was
962
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,000
a commercial success.
Which they had, They had to,
963
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,320
right?
They had to go there because
964
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:28,960
they had to evolve.
You know what I mean?
965
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,560
Like you can't just stay and
kill them all world, you have to
966
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,440
evolve.
I mean Ride Lightning is still
967
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:37,680
all their pre black stuff stands
a test of time.
968
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,840
Black took them to the
stratosphere and you know, then
969
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,720
the S&M stuff with their
orchestra I thought was
970
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,680
fantastic because whoever
thought that metallic music
971
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:53,840
could actually so.
There's a good if I can find it,
972
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,720
I'll write it down and I'll
share it because it's totally
973
00:54:56,720 --> 00:55:00,440
worth.
Watching this YouTube clip it's
974
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,240
the it's acoustic like.
What the fuck?
975
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,960
It's it's music, dude.
There's a YouTube clip out there
976
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:12,760
with Michael Caine.
He's the director of the
977
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,440
orchestra.
He's dead now, but there's a
978
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:23,160
there's a good clip of him
talking about writing the charts
979
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,440
for Master of Puppets, the song
itself.
980
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:30,160
And he said, I went to James and
I said this section right here.
981
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,520
He said it's very interesting.
He said were you guys aware that
982
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:39,120
you wrote it in 22nd, thirty
2230 seconds?
983
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,080
And James said, I was
embarrassed, but I just had to
984
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,600
look at him and say, Nah man, we
just thought it was cool.
985
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,920
And that dude started laughing.
It's it's just a great, you
986
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,880
know, here's this musical genius
conductor can do anything, play
987
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,440
any instrument, write it, notate
it, do anything.
988
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:03,160
And he was fascinated that a
band of four people could pull
989
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,400
off a musical feat like Master
of Puppets.
990
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:10,400
It is a musical feat.
It's like 200 and. 20 beats a
991
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,520
minute or something, just
non-stop except for that little
992
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,080
middle section.
Yeah, yeah, it's insane.
993
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,280
Yeah.
Yeah, No, it's one of my
994
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,440
favorite all time songs too.
And the S&M version is fucking
995
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,200
fantastic.
But the original one is still
996
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:29,480
just, you know, it's just so we
we could go on for, we could go
997
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,800
on for days about Metallica and
we probably will at some point.
998
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:38,560
But to harken back to how this
whole point started, I heard
999
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:46,320
about Metallica in 1985. 84 When
Ride the Lightning came out, my
1000
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,680
buddy Mark Brewer was giving me
a ride to school.
1001
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,200
I was probably a fresh I must
have been a freshman in high
1002
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:52,840
school because he would have
been a sophomore.
1003
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,120
And he popped that thing in his
cassette deck and it's changed
1004
00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:00,080
my life ever since, man, just
hearing that opening to fight
1005
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,960
fire with fire.
Unbelievable, right?
1006
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,600
Nobody had ever heard anything
like that, man.
1007
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,400
The the kids today can't
understand that.
1008
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,560
There was nothing like that.
They were the first, right?
1009
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,440
We were listening to Def Leppard
and Mountain crew, man.
1010
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,520
Exactly.
None of them.
1011
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,960
That's the one thing that that
where we're at in the in the
1012
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,320
music world today, there's
there's nothing that's that's
1013
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,640
not been tapped into.
You know now it's just
1014
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,120
everybody's a thief on some
level.
1015
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,000
But not intentionally agree.
You know, I I know exactly.
1016
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,120
It's hard to be an original
nowadays.
1017
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:45,600
Yeah, Yep it is.
Because even the stuff we wrote
1018
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:50,520
in Nemesis that would would
still, you know, would still be
1019
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:55,120
relevant today if if if if it
came out today, we it would be,
1020
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,800
it would be compared to
something else that came out
1021
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,120
since then, I'm sure, and I'm
very proud of that.
1022
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:05,280
Lyrical content and.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we have.
1023
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,760
And we didn't use, we didn't use
a bunch of studio magic.
1024
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,040
We just went out there and
played, man.
1025
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,160
There's two lessons that I
learned from Jimmy Page and Led
1026
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,960
Zeppelin.
The two lessons that I took away
1027
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:23,800
from studying Zeppelin more than
any other band was split
1028
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,520
Everything 25%.
There's no argument, doesn't
1029
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,840
matter who wrote what without
that other guy being there.
1030
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,680
There's no band.
OK, that's rule #1.
1031
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,520
Agreed, agreed.
Rule #2 is don't do anything in
1032
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,600
the studio that you can't
recreate live.
1033
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,160
And he broke that rule a little
bit, absolutely.
1034
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,200
But he was always able to lean
on John Paul Jones to play some
1035
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,520
kind of keyboard stuff to
support the other guitars that
1036
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:56,600
weren't there right.
Yeah, yeah.
1037
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,720
He's the Beethoven of guitars
for our generation.
1038
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,320
No question.
Right on.
1039
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:08,920
That's a good analogy.
It is I to me, he is just
1040
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:16,960
because to your point, he
recorded stuff that still sounds
1041
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,080
just like it did the day it was.
It doesn't sound like it came
1042
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:24,440
from 1967 or 1975.
It sounds like it was recorded
1043
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:28,960
yesterday, right?
You hear a Led Zeppelin song.
1044
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,480
It doesn't harken you back to
1970.
1045
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,320
It's just a Led Zeppelin song,
no?
1046
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,320
Not at all.
Yeah, yeah, not at all.
1047
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,520
It stands the test of time for
sure, even though you go back
1048
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:40,200
and I.
Mean.
1049
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,720
Obviously they've remastered
their stuff, but if you go back
1050
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:48,400
and listen to Trickster or
Slaughter, it's clear that it's
1051
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,640
1987, correct?
Nothing wrong with those bands.
1052
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,400
I'm not saying that it's bad.
I'm just saying if you hear that
1053
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,400
sound, you say, Oh my God, that
takes me back to 1988, right?
1054
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,040
If good times, bad times comes
on right now, I'm just like,
1055
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,040
cranking it up.
I'm not thinking, oh, it's 1968,
1056
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,400
right?
Right.
1057
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,560
Oh yeah.
Even The Doors didn't have that
1058
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:17,200
power.
No, no, because a lot, you know,
1059
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,160
their stuff came from the 60s
and the 70s.
1060
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,760
Just because of the what a lot
of it was driven by Manzarek and
1061
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:26,040
and Robbie and the way they
played, it's still the keyboards
1062
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,400
itself.
I think kind of the way Manzarek
1063
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,800
played them kind of locked them
in that time capsule in the.
1064
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,160
Sound.
Yeah, the actual sound that he
1065
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:40,720
worsened.
Yep, Yep, Yep, absolutely it.
1066
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:46,400
Just fascinates me more and more
all the time at how talented
1067
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:50,920
Jimmy was, not only as a guitar
player and a songwriter, but as
1068
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,480
a producer and an engineer
because the sounds that he got.
1069
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:00,240
He didn't use all that studio
magic, it just whatever he did
1070
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,400
to record those that music, it
stood the test of time.
1071
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,840
It just fascinates me.
Oh yeah.
1072
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,160
Oh yeah, that's.
One.
1073
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:13,760
That's one man's vision.
That's that's the yeah.
1074
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,080
Oh, yeah.
Which is insane, like inside of
1075
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:17,000
his brain.
For a day.
1076
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:18,960
Just for a day.
See what?
1077
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,080
He's kind of like Prince.
Like what did Prince hear?
1078
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,720
All that shit, that everything
that Prince ever recorded.
1079
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,880
Did he hear all that shit in his
head before I laid it down or
1080
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:28,000
was it just, you know what I
mean?
1081
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,360
Those are those things.
Yeah, those are those things
1082
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,720
that always, you know, because I
never, I've never had the fool
1083
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,640
when I write lyrically.
I've never, I've never had, I've
1084
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,960
never had the music in my head,
you know, per SE.
1085
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,880
And then in all the nuances, I
always needed you guys to feed
1086
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,120
off.
Well, this needs the drums.
1087
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,000
Got to go this way and the bass
got to go this way.
1088
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,760
I just heard the melody I just
saw.
1089
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,440
I saw what I wrote and then the
melody came up from based on
1090
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,520
what kind of riff you came up
with.
1091
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,880
And then you guys kind of filled
in all the pieces to make it
1092
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,680
this big sound that that was
true for any band that was ever
1093
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:02,120
in.
When it came to writing, I could
1094
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:07,000
lyrics, all the melodies and
structuring but the.
1095
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:12,760
Best way that I can describe it
from a musician's standpoint is.
1096
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,280
I used to have a really
complicated explanation, but
1097
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,480
I've simplified it.
You would understand my
1098
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,720
complicated explanation but most
people go cross eyed on me.
1099
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:27,680
So the best way I can describe
it is it's like in my mind I can
1100
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:32,680
feel the rhythm and the pieces
which would be the chords are
1101
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,680
like puzzle pieces floating
along in my mind and I just plug
1102
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,040
them in where they belong,
right?
1103
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:42,840
So I'm feeling the rhythm, just
the the universe vibrates at
1104
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,360
frequencies.
And we're going to get really
1105
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,680
woo woo now, but that's the
reason that a lot of musicians
1106
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:52,560
like to get high because you're
on another frequency now, right?
1107
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,840
So on that frequency, I'm going
to play differently than I am
1108
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:00,640
when I'm on a sober frequency.
It just changes the way that you
1109
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:04,840
play so now.
The puzzle pieces look
1110
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:08,600
differently than they would have
if I was not under the influence
1111
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,400
of anything.
You're just vibrating at a
1112
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,280
different frequency.
That's all there is to it.
1113
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,560
But as far as writing the music,
that's a cool analogy.
1114
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:18,760
It's.
Just like putting puzzle pieces
1115
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:26,480
in there, yeah, yeah.
That's why you need drummers.
1116
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,640
Drummers are good at putting the
puzzle together because they
1117
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,120
understand sections.
They can count.
1118
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:34,600
That's the big one.
They can count.
1119
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,720
Yeah, right.
Thank God for that.
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Well, we're over an hour.
Should we call it a day?
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Get back to life for the week.
Repeat that, because you froze
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up on me, I said.
I said we're over an hour, so we
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should probably call it a day.
Call it a show.
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Was this our 4th show?
This is #4 #4 The Chris and Mike
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Show.
What are we going to call this
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one?
Ramblings.
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Musical ramblings.
I'm fine with that.
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Yeah, I'll.
Let you name it Musical
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Ramblings Episode 4, The Chris
and Mike Show.
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Thanks for everybody for hanging
in with us for this long.
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Yeah.
It's a democracy.
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Hopefully you got something good
out of this.
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It is a democracy.
So, all right.
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Mike Michaels.
I'm Chris Dunham.
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He's Chris Dunham.
We'll see you next time, right?
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Peaks All right, man.
Thanks for stopping by.
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See ya.
Hey.
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Rock'n'roll.
I love boys and girls.
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That's Mike Michaels on guitar.
This is the Chris and Mike Show.
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Thanks for coming by and having
a listen.
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What is that?
Is that something new?
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I just made that up as we're
sitting here.
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You know me, man.
I know I roll.
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It just comes and comes and
comes and comes.
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I have no, that's what she said.
I was waiting for that.
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I set you up, buddy.
You did set me up.
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I.
Have no idea where all that
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comes from.
I'm just thankful it does.
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Yeah, that's like me with
writing lyrics.
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They just pop into my head one
day and then boom, I have a
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song.
Yeah, you know, it's the muse.
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It's the muse.
I'm wearing my bison.
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This was this was a thing we did
at the Yellowstone, right?
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Yeah.
Yellowstone before Yellowstone
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was cool with the did a 5K on a
Friday and a half marathon on
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Saturday in the mountains.
It was fun.
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That's awesome.
So because we did both we got
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these 16 point 116.2.
I'm sorry, the bison challenge.
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It was pretty cool thing called
vacation races, which we've done
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quite a bit of you you they have
these destination races where
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you go like we've done Lake
Powell, Yosemite, Yellowstone.
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We were going to do Iceland
before COVID hit, but then COVID
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hit shut the world down.
That one would have been cool
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because that was a global
adventure for vacation races
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where you you'd run every day
like 5 KS and then the second to
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the last days of the half
marathon and you're with a group
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of people and you see all the
stuff and all the things you
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know that's awesome.
It would have been cool, but it
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got shut down because the COVID
don't.
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Here we are.
Hey, I ran 9 miles today on the
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treadmill.
That's not.
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That's the fastest I've gotten
since my recovery.
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Very nice.
So that was cool.
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That's a six 4640 mile.
I only did it for 1/4 of a mile,
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but you know, I'm still capping
my my running at a mile and a
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half.
I can't go any further than
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that.
So what was your actual injury?
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A little bit more.
A stress fracture on my second
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metatarsal.
So essentially, I broke my foot.
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Out.
And they had to do surgery.
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Well, the fun thing is is no, no
surgery.
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It was just a hurry up and wait.
The fun thing was I did it
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probably in December of 21 at
the Laughlin half, probably
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hairlined it.
And then the three doctors that
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had the first two were absolute
idiot dumbass motherfuckers that
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wasted my time and caused more
injury because I kept running.
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Second one I got decided to have
me run on inclines, 'cause she
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said it was my gait and I'm
like, well, my gait's never
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changed, but she had me doing
inclines on treads, so I started
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doing 4% minimum incline all the
way up to 7% still going at that
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time, 'cause I was in
outstanding cardio shape, you
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know, I was doing, I did AI, did
AI, did my mile benchmark run
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back-to-back, same day,
unbeknownst to me with a broken
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foot, and he got both under 6
minutes at 52 years old.
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That's impressive.
Yeah, with a broken foot.
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But you didn't realize it was
broken.
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Because then by March that year
is when they finally, like,
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started cross referencing Mris
and realized, oh shit, yeah, you
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have a stress fracture, your
second metatarsal, and yeah, no
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shit, you think.
I've just been telling you for
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months there's something wrong
with me.
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I walked in the door.
X-rayed me.
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Yeah, it's been a month now.
Exactly that I've been baby
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stepping everything, you know,
just cool.
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It's it's it's good to be
running.
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It was it was nice to get up to
9 miles an hour today on the
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treadmill.
I'm not going to lie, that was
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that was a good thing.
That was a very good thing.
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I haven't done that, and I don't
know how long.
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I hadn't run since February of
this year.
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So you know, it was good.
And then I stopped.
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I I just.
I hit my while and a half and I
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walked.
It was 23 minutes on the
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treadmill today, but I followed
the rules.
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I stopped at a mile and 1/2.
I kind of Joe, how are you?
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Mike Michaels, How was your day?
Well, I can definitely
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appreciate your progress on
recovery because.
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Not that long ago, when I
decided that we were going to
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write music again, I realized
that I had been playing all
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along, but I had not been really
playing.
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You know, there's a difference
between just messing around,
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sitting on the couch and
actually being able to
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physically make it through a
song without stopping, making
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mistakes, being frustrated
because you physically can't do
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it right.
My stamina and my dexterity had
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gone by the wayside for a lot of
things, so.
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To be able to sit down and do
what I just did even 8 weeks ago
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would not have been possible.
I couldn't make it that far,
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being that technically
proficient, so it's nice to be
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on the flip side of that.
Well, you had you had something
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called.
I had trigger finger.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, trigger finger.
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So explain what that is so our
our audience knows what that's
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about.
It's not about.
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No, it's definitely not from
shooting guns.
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It's from years and years of
repetitive motion, you know, AKA
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playing a guitar, working on an
assembly line now for the last
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13 years.
So you wake up in the morning
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and your finger is literally
like this.
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It's like a hook and no matter
what you do.
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You can't open it physically on
your own.
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You have to use your other hand
to pry that finger open, and
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it's some of the most
excruciating pain you've ever
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been in your life.
Man, I screamed every time I did
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it.
It just hurts uncontrollably and
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there's really nothing they can
do for it other than it either
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heals itself or you have to go
see a surgeon orthopaedic and
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get that tendon cut and then.
Basically sewn back together so
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it's stretched out again.
You've pulled that tendon so far
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that it it can't stretch
anymore.
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So luckily my sister is a
physically or a physical therapy
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assistant.
So she gave me some exercises to
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do and they worked.
She's very good at what she
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does.
And thank you Melissa, for
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telling me what I needed to do
because that actually worked.
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I did it religiously every day.
It was just basically you take
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both your hands and put them
together.
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And as far as you can stand, you
know, bend them one way and bend
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them back the other way and just
hold it there for like 5 seconds
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at a time.
You're just working that tendon
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out so that it stretches.
It doesn't get stuck while you
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sleep, it gets stuck.
That's why you wake up with your
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finger like that.
So yeah, very thankful to be on
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the men.
I have these funky.
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Yeah.
And see, I have these funky
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pinkies.
See my funky little pinkies,
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They're just these weird little.
They like to just hang loose for
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real, man.
Hey, which is, you know, never
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affected my ability to sing at
all.
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Let me tell you something that's
going to come back around on
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this podcast.
Remember the Pinky folks?
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Because when my buddy Rob is a
guest on here, his pinky is more
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jacked than anybody I've ever
seen in my life and it for some
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reason he just won't get it
fixed.
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So.
We'll have him show everyone.
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It's hideous.
Really.
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Oh, it's Oh yeah, What do you do
to his pinky?
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I'll let him tell the story
because he tells stories better
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than anyone I know and you will
be laughing your ass off.
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It should be the most downloaded
podcast we have.
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If anybody likes comedy and
funny stories, we'll just call
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it The Pinky Show.
It'll be funny, that's.
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Awesome.
Struck me as funny when you held
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your pinkies up.
I'm like, I got a story about
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that, right, right.
So last week we talked about
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Sammy and David.
Do you hear the news that
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Sammy's doing a tour with
Leverboy and it's basically a
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tribute to Eddie that was 2?
That was two weeks ago, OK?
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Was it 2 weeks ago?
OK?
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Yeah.
Last last week we talked.
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Two weeks ago we talked yeah.
Oh, that's right.
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OK yeah.
So two weeks ago we talked about
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Beverly Roth versus Sammy and
then Neanderpal local jock here
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in Arizona who's a huge, huge
presence in the radio world in
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Arizona.
He was alluding to it.
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I saw it earlier because I I
get, yeah, I get emails from
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Ticketmaster agencies and all
those places that update me on
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stuff.
And so, yeah, Loverboy and Sammy
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Hagar.
And this, the set list
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apparently is all Van Halen,
which Neanderthals a little
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irritated because he loved
Eddie.
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And there was never any type of
memorial, you know, for for
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Eddie at all.
There was a couple of songs
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played during the oh Tyler, I
Forget his Last Name or Taylor
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Hawkins.
Taylor Hawkins tribute that Foo
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Fighters did and Wolfgang came
on stage with them and did a
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couple Van Halen songs.
That apparently was the the
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extent of an Eddie Van Halen
tribute.
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I don't know if that's OK.
So the.
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Last thing that I read, not to
interrupt you, but the last
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thing that I read from Sammy was
that, yeah, yeah, no, no, no.
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He was offended that there had
not been a tribute to Eddie, but
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he didn't feel like it was his
place to do it when Wolfgang and
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Alex are still alive, right?
And nobody's heard from Alex in
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a long time, and that's his
business.
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I mean, I'm not saying that he
should do anything one way or
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the other, but nobody should be
busting Sammy's balls for not
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doing an Eddie tribute.
You know, he feels like that's
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not his place.
Oh, I I no, I agree.
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And I don't think there's
anything wrong with Sammy going
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out and doing an entire tour
wrapped around Van Halen music
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because he and Eddie wrote
brilliant songs, right?
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I mean, Sammy, he was in the
band.
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He's not that.
He's in the.
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Hall of Fame as Van Halen right
he's Sammy's not that right and
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and Sammy individually solo wise
he's he's he's not that great of
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a songwriter I mean nothing
against the man you know not
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that in the first stuff we ever
wrote is you know in the hall of
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but he's just not like he
reached he released stuff with
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the Circle I think is what he
called his last project and it
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was just it was stupid like he's
trying too hard I think is what
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it is like you just got to let
that shit flow I've never tried
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it whenever I wrote music or
wrote lyrics you know to songs
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if if if I got to the point to
where there was nowhere else to
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go with that song.
I'd just stop and I would never
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force myself to write anything
because I think if you're forced
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it then it's it's not genuine
and then you just you're just
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you're pulling cliches together
and.
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I'm going to agree.
If it doesn't flow, then don't
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write it.
I'm definitely going to agree
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with you on this one.
I like what they do as a
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musician, but from from a
selling or commercial
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standpoint, right away, I
understand.
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Nobody's going to like this
except other musicians.
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You know it doesn't have that
hook.
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You listen, listen to any CCR
song.
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Why do people still listen to
CCR every day by the billions
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it?
It sucks you right in, man.
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Let me give you a statistic for.
For the longest time, I wonder
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who the greatest songwriter in
the world was.
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I just recently watched ACCR
documentary I Was Blown Away
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Man, obviously.
I still top of mind could be
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anybody you know I still.
Cannot big explosions.
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I can't believe that this is
even true.
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In 18 months, John Fogerty wrote
5 gold albums.
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That's insane.
Five.
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That's insane.
Yeah, in. 18 months, 18 months,
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Kyle.
And what was it?
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Between it was between 1969 and
1971 I believe.
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It's just unbelievable.
Well did.
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I lose you.
And what was it?
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What was his?
What was it?
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Yeah, I lost a little bit.
What was his?
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Did you did you talk about his
his reason for doing so?
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He was going to lose his record
deal if his next record wasn't a
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hit.
So he felt like every song
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should be a good one.
Yeah, it's it's it's it's too
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bad that the industry now just
focuses on one hit wonders and
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there's no there's no labels
anymore really backing.
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There's no distribution backing
because everybody can just do it
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themselves and.
So that's you just don't get.
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That's the con of it, right?
The pro side of it is you and I
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are sitting here 2000 miles
apart doing a podcast with
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modern technology, right?
So we can also write an entire
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album on the on the same
equipment, correct.
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So the the good side of it is,
oh, absolutely if.
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You and I were in the 90s when
we formed Nemesis.
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We were limited to analog gear.
We went in an analog studio.
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We recorded the tape.
There was no digital anything.
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Then there was a DAT and a few
things that were kind of.
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Breaking new technology that
very few people had.
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Pro Tools was in its infancy,
but we basically played with
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Marshalls through big giant PA
systems and everything was
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analog.
Now my studio right here
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consists of a MacBook Pro and a
nice focus right Preamp and a
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couple other magic things that
don't really mean anything to
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anybody but you and I.
So.
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There's the pro side of it.
You're right.
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The con side of it is a band
doesn't get to develop the way
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we did in Nemesis either
nowadays, correct?
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Very few of them.
You don't go out and play clubs
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for years and then get noticed
and start selling CDs at a slow
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pace and get a development deal,
which is what we had at one
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time.
You just don't see those things
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happening.
But I guess you know Justin
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Bieber got famous just off.
YouTube or TikTok or whatever he
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did.
So there's the pro side of it
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again.
He didn't need anybody.
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Yeah.
Well I yeah, yeah it's like the
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the I don't know if he.
I think he's the current singer
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of Journey, that the Filipino
guy, you know he got discovered
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because of his YouTube right.
Journey karaoke basically, you
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know.
And yeah.
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YouTube they found it on YouTube
you know and I got I I recently
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downloaded a Journey a Journey
album that was all their live
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stuff and it's he's really good
at Steve Perry's level of
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singing to where oh it's if you
close your I love Steve Perry.
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The Journey was one of the bands
that grew up loving.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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So there's a couple tracks on
that that I had to look at to
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make sure that it was actually
Steve and I think his name is
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Arnad, Arnad Pinimoir or
something.
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But you can, you can kind of,
you can kind of tell because
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Perry's personality comes
through his, his character, you
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know, shines through his, his
vocals.
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So you can kind of tell his
nuances if you, if you've
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listened to him like I have
since I was, you know 10 years
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old.
See, you can see it.
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You can hear it.
You can hear the differences a
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little bit.
But but Filipino dude man has
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fought on with the most of the
stuff that it's just like the
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delivery of some of the words
that makes you realize, OK,
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that's Steve, that's not the
other guy or vice versa.
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But if you're looking for a a
live a live album of journey,
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it's it's phenomenal.
It's a really.
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Oh, he's.
Definitely as close as anybody
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that I've ever heard.
It's a really good Yeah, Yeah.
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So let's see the brilliance of
music.
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It's no I got Escape.
I remastered Escape, which was
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cool.
That's a great album too.
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Escape.
I used to fall asleep to that I.
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Just listened to that one at
work the other day.
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It's amazing.
It's a good album, man.
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Oh yeah.
You know, another tune that just
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came up the other day that I had
forgotten about because they
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wrote that candy ass shit in the
80s was what?
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God Starship.
Jefferson Starship?
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Find your way back.
Oh, oh, Jefferson.
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Holy.
Shit, everybody.
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Do yourself a favor and go out
to YouTube right now.
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And type in.
Find your way back by Jefferson
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Starship and turn it up.
What do you got there?
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I don't have my glasses on, bro.
Yeah so that's the journey.
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That's the greatest.
That's the it's the greatest
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hits journey album.
Oh, my thing's fading, There we
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go.
And the artwork, which I don't
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see the relevance to it but the
arc was done by Duff Mckagan of
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obviously Guns N' Roses fame,
Bad ass.
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But it's it's it's seventeen
shots.
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I got my glasses.
On.
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Trying to look cool but I'm old.
It's OK.
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It's OK.
It's got 17 tracks on it you
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know and they're all I mean you
know all the songs that on this
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on the slide thing are are the
hits exception of one I don't
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know why no fire but everything
else I've heard of and it's it's
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a jamming.
It's a jamming album, man.
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For for a live, a live thing for
sure, you know.
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So yeah, it's it's good.
It's good.
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So yeah, if you, if you know, if
you're a Journey fan, greatest
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hits, it's it's a good, it's a
good thing.
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I will definitely have to check
it out because I do like
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listening to that guy's version
of the songs.
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If you can't hear Steve Perry,
you might as well hear somebody.
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And that's why it's supposed.
To see yeah.
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Oh, this one is mostly Steve
Perry.
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It's.
Mostly Steve Perry on that live
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because it's you can.
Yeah yeah OK There's a couple
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that that aren't odd things but
for the for the most of it Steve
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Perry and you can tell you can
tell by the the delivery of the
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words and the melodies and you
know I saw something on Steve
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Perry the other day on YouTube
dudes like flowing Gray hairs.
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It's he's going to it's one of
those things man.
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All the rockers from our youth.
Are going to just casually be
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gone in the next 10-15 years?
And I don't, I don't don't like
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that.
I know these.
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These are all getting old.
You know you don't and you don't
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growing up in the MTV era,
right?
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You have this.
You have these visions imprinted
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in your brain.
They're burned in your mind.
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You know what those journey
looks?
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Like and then you see them now
it's like holy right?
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Right, Like like right now the
Scorpions are doing the 40th
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anniversary all the.
Time first thing, man. 40 years
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ago, love and first thing came
out and it was a baby boom.
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Because Still Loving You was one
of those songs.
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That right?
You see them now and they're
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just totally grave mind.
Boggling.
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Yeah, but they probably sound
all wearing.
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Hats because they don't want
anybody to see that they don't
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have any hair.
It's like, OK, it's all good.
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I don't have any hair.
Yeah.
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Yeah, I'm sure I haven't.
I haven't.
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I haven't seen them in a while.
I don't either.
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But you know, I I, you know, I
didn't have hair when we were in
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Nemesis because I shaved it.
OK, So there there's a good
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story.
I had a bald cap.
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I was a play.
There's a good story.
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Yeah, so I just.
Showed.
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Yeah, I was in a play.
I just showed one of my friends
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that picture and then I'll let
you continue with your story.
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I apologize, the person picked
you.
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As me, because I'm bald,
Correct.
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They're like, that's you, right?
And I'm like, no, I'm the dude
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playing the guitar, right?
I told you I was a guitar player
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for how many years?
And I can't believe you had that
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long hair?
And I said, well, let me tell
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you another story.
He shaved his head before it was
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socially acceptable and everyone
was, like, scared and shitless
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of him.
That just wasn't done back then,
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you know.
No.
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And the irony of it, which we
got and and.
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See the irony?
Back then?
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I had a uh huh, I had a blue, I
had a blue lifted Ford pickup
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and on the back windows I had an
American flag and a Arizona
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flag.
I live with a with a black guy
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who was in the Muslim stuff in
Farrakhan and I was wearing
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unbeknownst to me because of my
ignorance, I used to wear this
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red and black checkered flannel
with black Doc Martens.
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So we we'd walk around them all
together and he'd be wearing his
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Muslim Farrakhan hat.
And I'm in this red and black
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flannel.
And we'd go in this corner into
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the stores, you know, the
corner, and we'd just watch
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people go out the other side and
like, what the Hell's going on?
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And then finally, about a year
later, I realized, oh, I got a
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shaved head, looked like a total
Skinhead because of how I
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dressed, which was nothing
intentional.
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It's just it was the flannel
era.
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And then Courtney, that was his
name, he's he's all into the
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just anything.
Louis Farrakhan.
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And and I forget some of the
guys that he was, he was really
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into and reading and studying
and he was in the Tai Chi and
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all this, you know, chakras and
stuff, really great human.
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But it just the two of us
walking down the street just
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caused alarm, you know?
And the the the whole reason I
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shaved my head was because I was
in a play and we were doing the
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dress rehearsal.
And that's basically the night
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before the show goes on.
You you walk through the you run
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the entire play for just, you
know, the directors and the the
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staff and my bald cap rip When
we were taking off the makeup
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and stuff.
And it would have taken 2 weeks
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because Amazon didn't exist to
actually get the bald cap from
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New York.
So I was like, well, fuck it,
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I'll just shave my head.
And you know, it was shoulder
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length, you know, And I mohawked
it the night that for one night
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and went to campus the next day
with a Mohawk and then right
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before the play shaved it off,
put the ball and then they have
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to do ball cap, just make up it
up.
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And that was it.
And then I showed up at band
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practice, I think 2 days later
with a shaved head.
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And you guys are like, what?
That's what I was just going to
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ask you.
So when I met you, I knew you
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had hair, But I was convincing
myself as you were telling this
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story that you never had hair.
But I'm like, I know he had hair
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when he joined the band.
You're right, you showed up that
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day and everybody was like, holy
shit man, what did you do?
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But it gave us such a unique
look, man, because Rick had his
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hipster look, you had the shaved
head, which made you look mean
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as all hell.
And Scott and I had long hair
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and we look like long hairs,
right?
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We look like rockers at that
time, yeah.
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And then about a month after,
right, right.
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And then about a month after I
did it, Michael Stipe from
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R.E.M. shaved his head.
And then, thus, the world began
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embracing white men, shaving
their hair off.
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This is a true story.
I forgot.
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What the hell?
Michael Yeah, yeah.
430
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,800
But yeah, but legit nobody, I
mean, nobody shaved their heads,
431
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,560
man.
Like no one, that's why.
432
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,080
And of course in in.
You know, college because it was
433
00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:52,760
a college production.
You know, all the chicks were
434
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,600
like, Oh my God, you're such
gorgeous hair.
435
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,000
Really.
Really.
436
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:56,920
Why did you say so?
Why?
437
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,800
I still had gorgeous hair?
Why do you wait till it's all
438
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,600
gone to tell me?
I had gorgeous hair.
439
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,000
I actually used to get that
while I had it, so I can't say
440
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,960
that.
Right.
441
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:10,840
I always got asked the question
she.
442
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,720
Has gorgeous hair.
Because then, you know, I always
443
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,880
got asked the question, where do
you get your hair done?
444
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,960
And the answer was always the
shower.
445
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,960
Because if I had to put forth
any effort to do this, it
446
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,840
wouldn't be there, right?
You know me better than anybody,
447
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,680
man.
I didn't go get my hair done in
448
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,400
a salon.
Yeah, it was just naturally
449
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,600
curly.
That's that's probably why so
450
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,320
many, right?
That's probably why so many
451
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,440
rockers throughout the years,
their hair gets shorter and
452
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,560
shorter and shorter.
Like I saw something with with.
453
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,080
I think it was.
I think it was that Joe Rogan
454
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,000
thing I saw with David Lee Roth
on his he's buzzed military
455
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,080
buzz.
You know, he had this long
456
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,320
flowing lion's mane.
You know, that was one of his
457
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,680
trademark things.
And now he's just, you know,
458
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,040
this much hair on his head.
At some point you got to say
459
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,800
enough's enough.
You know, you either, I guess,
460
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,800
embrace the fact that it's all
gone, to quote the great George
461
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,280
Costanza, right?
These are the remnants of a once
462
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,720
great civilization.
You have to come to that
463
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,960
conclusion.
It's got to go.
464
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,840
Or you rock the skullet and
everyone laughs at you because
465
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:24,000
you don't know you're bald yet.
Yeah, right.
466
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,640
Even even Miles Kennedy from
Alter Bridge, he he had, he's
467
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,360
always had kind of long shoulder
length hair that keeps creeping
468
00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:33,040
up when they just so.
And they were here recently.
469
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,360
It's not, it's not as long as it
used to be.
470
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,520
And it's grand.
So when they post pictures and
471
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,440
stuff on their page, I'm like,
yeah, I get something current,
472
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,760
man, because that one's probably
from a couple years ago.
473
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:48,200
But I'll tell you so at the end
of the day, you think back and
474
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,680
at least I have to laugh because
I'm like, what the fuck, man?
475
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,440
It's so much better now to just
be able to get up and go.
476
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,520
My grandpa used to ask me all
the time when I'd come home for
477
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,200
Christmas.
He hated my hair, so I'd get the
478
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,840
same question every year.
Yeah.
479
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,480
You think that long hair makes
you play that guitar any better?
480
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,720
And I'd be like, no, it just
looks cool, you know?
481
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,480
And he'd always say, not from
where I'm standing.
482
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,360
So there you have that.
He hated it.
483
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,440
Yeah, long long haired freaky
people need not apply, right?
484
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,920
It was cool at the time and you
know, we all, we did have a good
485
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,760
look and that was part of the
band.
486
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,200
It was part of who we were.
It was important that we had an
487
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,120
image.
You have to sell an image.
488
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,600
You're you're selling a sound,
you're selling the songs, but
489
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,640
you're also selling an image.
You can't just go up there and
490
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,360
look like everybody else in the
crowd, right?
491
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,160
Nobody wants to see themselves
get up there.
492
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,760
They want to see some.
Like you said, they want to see
493
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,080
the long haired freaky people do
something to entertain us.
494
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,280
So we did.
We played loud, aggressive music
495
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,480
that you couldn't talk over
because it was loud and
496
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:05,840
aggressive I.
Don't know if it was aggressive.
497
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,640
It was more, it was, it was, it
was, you know, it was, it was
498
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,160
Hard Rock.
I would say Hard Rock.
499
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,760
I don't think we were aggressive
at all.
500
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,000
I could be wrong.
Well, not like death.
501
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,440
We were, we could play.
We could play with anybody.
502
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,160
Exactly.
No, no, no.
503
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,600
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm just saying that we we found
504
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,120
our niche we could play with.
Anybody.
505
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,200
Absolutely.
That was our niche as we could.
506
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,440
We could play with absolutely
anybody, which is why we worked
507
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,960
3-4 nights a week.
Yeah, right.
508
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,120
Yeah.
And the trippy thing is, and I
509
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,520
think last week we talked about,
I totally forgot, we opened for
510
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,400
Marshall Tucker Band.
And I, you know, there's one of
511
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,240
my all time favorite bands and I
just back then I didn't even
512
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,520
register that we were opening
for Marshall Tucker.
513
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,280
I didn't.
I hadn't.
514
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,240
I hadn't yet.
Like expanded, That was one of
515
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:04,160
your first gigs in the library.
At that time, yeah, yeah.
516
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,960
Yep.
I was trying to remember the
517
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,920
other day, Marshall.
Tucker Band and I still listened
518
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,600
to him to this day.
OK.
519
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,000
So we'll we'll scratch the story
I was going to tell because I
520
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,680
just put something in
perspective.
521
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:28,120
So we opened up for Marshall
Tucker and Sacred Reich just to
522
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,760
prove your point.
That we could put Enough's
523
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,480
enough.
We opened up for yeah, Enough's
524
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,120
enough.
Tony McAlpine, Pat Travers.
525
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,760
There was a there was a little
known band in the 90s who were a
526
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,640
one hit wonder and I had to go
back and look up what the song
527
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,440
was.
And I'll never remember what it
528
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,160
was now, but I do remember the
band.
529
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,640
Yeah, we opened up for a band
called Catfish.
530
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,560
Do you remember that show?
I do, yeah.
531
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:58,800
They had a really.
I remember.
532
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:04,240
The song, if I remember the
band, Yeah, look up that song on
533
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,760
YouTube when you got time, man.
You'll remember the song right
534
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,600
away.
It was on KU P/E all the time,
535
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,320
OK?
It was one of the ones that was
536
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,320
in the rotation.
OK, and they played it to Mason
537
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,040
Dryer and we opened up for them.
I was going through my folder.
538
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,080
I got all the tickets from all
the shows that we played.
539
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,440
Nice.
Yes, somehow that was in
540
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,200
something that I got back from.
I have some.
541
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,400
Stuff somewhere.
Yeah, right on.
542
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:37,640
I have to find my.
My box, I have a yeah, I have a.
543
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,320
You should reach out to him and
see if he has anything else that
544
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:50,760
he's not not being forthright
about having, because I don't
545
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,560
think he threw everything away
like he says.
546
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,600
Well, maybe he'll listen to the
podcast and he can send me a
547
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,760
message if he's got something.
It's all good.
548
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,440
I don't hold any ill will
towards anybody, especially him,
549
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,080
because he made sure I didn't
die when I was at the worst
550
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,200
point in my life.
So I have nothing bad to say
551
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,840
about anybody.
It's I did my shit, they did
552
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,280
their shit and we're still, you
know, you can't change the past.
553
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,880
I can only change the future.
So if you happen to listen to
554
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,120
this Kevin, and you want to say,
hey, it's all good, man,
555
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,480
Everything's good.
We're all different people,
556
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,800
right?
Yeah, last last I ran into him,
557
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,040
I I I helped him.
I helped him with something.
558
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,200
I think it was real estate
related.
559
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,240
And he's he's a he's a foster
parent now.
560
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,520
He fosters kids.
I see that he's still my friend
561
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,440
on Facebook.
So yeah, he always.
562
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,680
I think that is really great.
I admire him for doing it.
563
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,840
Yeah, it's been a while so.
So your friends on Facebook but
564
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,800
you never poke at him?
No, I just.
565
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:58,840
I don't know.
If he doesn't.
566
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,280
I don't know.
I guess I'll just say, hey,
567
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:04,880
sometimes you just got to say
hi.
568
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,640
Yeah.
Say, hey, that's kind of what
569
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,360
you did to me.
We what up.
570
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,680
You know, we we would go long
periods without talking and all
571
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,040
of a sudden you'd pop up just
out of the blue.
572
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,760
Or like my mom would run into
you out in Arizona, or my
573
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,800
brother would run into you and
they'd say, hey, and you and I
574
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,000
have always kept in touch,
though.
575
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,440
There's just something between
people who have gotten to the
576
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,640
level of being in a band that we
have that you can't break that
577
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,560
bond.
Agreed, agreed.
578
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,680
There's there's there's no and
nobody understands unless
579
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,840
they've been in bands they've
been on stage and performed
580
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,440
thousands of shows and different
been there done that you know
581
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,080
yeah it's just it's a whole
That's why when when black bands
582
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,280
that have stayed together with
the the same lineup.
583
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,320
You know Flex?
Well, Scorpions had the same
584
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:58,720
brand, no?
Because they got rid of Herman
585
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,680
the drummer.
I don't know who's in it now
586
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,400
like Rush was.
Rush was scorpions?
587
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,120
Well, no.
Russians started out, maintained
588
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,360
the original anime Anchor near
the Guns and Roses.
589
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,880
Fuck, maybe the Stones and The
Who?
590
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:21,199
Oh, no, they've had until.
Remember, as far as OK, the core
591
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,560
members are the same.
If we're going to count that,
592
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,120
Charlie Watts, Keith Richards,
Mick.
593
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,159
The bass players have changed
throughout the years.
594
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,440
Ronnie Woods Been there long
enough to be considered it.
595
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,880
Wasn't always Bill White Rolling
Stone.
596
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,400
Well, he's the original, but
he's gone now.
597
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,320
But he died, didn't he?
Yeah, I knew he.
598
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:43,239
Was gone.
I knew.
599
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:48,080
But no, Charlie died.
I think Bill has just left, OK?
600
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,600
ZZ Top was the same three guys
for all their years.
601
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,960
That's true until that one of
them died and they're still
602
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,440
touring, which I don't know how
you tour your your main basis of
603
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,120
ZZ Top, the two long bearded
guys out front it.
604
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,320
So here's the story behind that
and.
605
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:15,120
Yet you're still touring his
long time base tech of, I don't
606
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,960
know, 30-40, 45 years.
He was there for a long time.
607
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:26,120
It was Dusty's blessing that
they continue on with him
608
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,640
playing bass because Dusty said
he was every bit the bass player
609
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,760
that he was, if not more.
He wanted them to do it.
610
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,240
Oh.
That's cool.
611
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,840
Yeah.
That was like in his dying
612
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,920
wishes or it was in his will or
there was actually physically
613
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,280
documentation saying we, you
know, this is what I want.
614
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,840
I I would like the band to
continue.
615
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,280
This guy's as good as I was or
have ever been.
616
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,760
And you know, he wouldn't have
been my bass tech if he wasn't a
617
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,880
good bass player, right?
Just like a guitar player is not
618
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,640
going to have a they're not
going to have a guitar tech that
619
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:04,720
can't play guitar.
That's cool.
620
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,760
I did not know.
Usually your guitar tech is as
621
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,080
good as playing and they know
how to fork your shit.
622
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,400
Not one single original member.
They're still touring.
623
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,840
As for like.
How's that work?
624
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,640
Like Journey has the core of the
band, you know?
625
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,000
And then you have a singer that
can pretty much emulate Steve
626
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,840
Perry on point.
I still have never seen them
627
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,640
with with without Steve Perry.
I don't.
628
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,840
I don't, you know, it's just I
just don't like, I just don't
629
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,280
like it, you know, I just, it
wouldn't.
630
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,000
It just doesn't work for me.
It's, you know, it's kind of
631
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,560
like, I don't know.
I just it doesn't.
632
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,320
I don't think you should call
yourself the band name if you
633
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:51,280
don't have at least the core
members left and foreigners.
634
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,480
Just the name now has nothing to
do with the the band because
635
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,080
it's they're all different.
My opinion anyway, I don't.
636
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:04,440
You know, I would say as long as
as long as you have the blessing
637
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,320
of the original members and the
original members are getting
638
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,840
paid, then I don't have a
problem with it.
639
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,640
But when there's a deal like,
let's say Great White, when
640
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,120
Great White had all their
problems, Jack Russell went his
641
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,840
way, the band went their way,
and then there was a legal
642
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,960
battle, then ensued over that
name.
643
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,440
Right then I have a problem with
it.
644
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,440
It's like either everybody gets
to use it or nobody gets to use
645
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,200
it.
That's when it's a problem.
646
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:35,480
KISS has got something set up to
where they want KISS to continue
647
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,560
with no original members in the
not too distant future.
648
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,320
But that's their wishes.
They want to keep making money
649
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,640
off it, and if people want to go
see it, you know, who are we to
650
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,880
say I'm I'm with you, I'm not
going to see it because I
651
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:54,520
remember the original, but a 14
year old kid right now doesn't
652
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,320
have that same option that you
and I had, right?
653
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,400
So maybe he wants to go see as
close to Kiss.
654
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,080
As he right but then they but
right right but then they they
655
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,400
need to they need to be tribute
kiss you know kiss you know
656
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,480
asterisk tribute band when they
do it because you.
657
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,000
You're not.
I get you authorized by kiss off
658
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:14,600
your name.
And stuff.
659
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,240
But you you just right something
to that effect to where it's
660
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:21,200
not, you know this isn't the
original product, but it's as
661
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,400
close to the original product
you're going to get.
662
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,880
You know it.
Just so you want a disclaimer
663
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,480
because there's plenty of cover,
there's no original members in
664
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,320
the fan.
Come at your own risk.
665
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,800
Right.
Yeah, because if you didn't
666
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,320
know, I'm fine with that.
I think I was.
667
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,440
A huge Foreigner fan and I.
Right, right.
668
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,680
If I'm a huge Foreigner fan,
which I like Foreigner for, that
669
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,040
was about it.
I like some of the stuff that
670
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,800
Luke Graham did on the solo
stuff.
671
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:53,120
But if I'm going to go see
Foreigner, I I'm walking into
672
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,760
that that venue expecting to
hear Lou Graham sing.
673
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,520
So if Luke Graham's not singing,
what am I paying for?
674
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,840
You know, that's agreed it's no
different like like Queen's
675
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,480
Reich, right?
They had their split and their
676
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,400
nonsense and chaos.
I would like to point out one
677
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,160
band real quick, the name before
I would like to point out one
678
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,720
thing real quick.
I would like the audience to
679
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,480
realize that's how we wrote
songs.
680
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,480
Do you notice how that we
resolve that problem very
681
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,160
quickly without arguing?
Nobody raised their voice.
682
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,960
That's the kind of vibe that
we're looking for on this
683
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,560
podcast.
A lot of people are asking me
684
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,400
why I'm doing this.
What I want to get out of it,
685
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,560
What I want to get out of it is
a lot of things.
686
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,120
But the main thing I want to get
out of it is to show the world
687
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:42,560
what a connection two people had
and how you can have
688
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:48,400
conversations and debates and
disagree without getting
689
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,960
excited, getting in an argument,
if you have your point, and I
690
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,080
have mine, and we know that
we're not going to agree, we
691
00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:00,520
agree to disagree.
That's why I kept asking him
692
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:05,760
questions until I got I wanted
to get to the root of what you
693
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,520
were getting at.
I thought I knew what you meant.
694
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,600
But I had to keep asking the
right question until I got there
695
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,600
right.
What he's asking for is he wants
696
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,920
the public to be.
Aware that the band has no
697
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,160
original members because he's a
huge Foreigner fan, but he's a
698
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:28,080
fan of Lou Graham, just like I
would be a fan of Mick Jones as
699
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,240
a guitar player, correct?
Right, right.
700
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,600
I just want the world to see
where we're coming.
701
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:34,800
That's the thing.
Like was cool.
702
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:37,920
Right.
And it's that's the concept with
703
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,400
Queen's right.
Like everybody knows Jeff Tate
704
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:40,000
left.
Queen's right.
705
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,600
So when Queen's like tours they
they know it's not Jeff Tate
706
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,960
because then Jeff Tate when he's
trying Jeff Tate of Queen's
707
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,680
right, you know Jeff Tate will
do.
708
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,880
He's come he's come through
Arizona so much since he went.
709
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,320
So it's kind of like dude you're
wearing you're welcome out.
710
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,360
Stop, let me ask you this.
Have you seen?
711
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,560
Shows up and does a show.
Have you seen the other guy?
712
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,680
No.
I heard you even hurting.
713
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,760
I haven't even heard him.
I need to do myself a favor and
714
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:08,800
go listen to him.
I don't.
715
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,240
Yeah, yeah.
I haven't.
716
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:12,520
I haven't heard of, but I've
heard.
717
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:17,320
I've heard that he he's like
just younger stronger voice.
718
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,640
You know the other mind blowing
thing.
719
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:25,040
Jeff Tate smokes like Freddie
Mercury smoke I don't blows my
720
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:29,360
mind And Freddie Mercury smokes
like a pack a day Shit.
721
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:34,120
I It blows my mind how singers
some people just have just.
722
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:38,040
Knowingly.
Yeah, I just genetic.
723
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,720
But those guys didn't live to be
that old, so who knows?
724
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,600
They might have blown their
voice out, you know.
725
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,840
Well Freddie Mercury died from
AIDS.
726
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,960
The complications not has
nothing to do with smoking but
727
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:55,120
just the the fact that like you
know all singers you you push
728
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,840
the the power comes from your
diaphragm you know and then you
729
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,160
and you can inject your throat
you know know how to manipulate
730
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,600
it to where your throat singing
and.
731
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,000
And combination of both, which I
did in Nemesis.
732
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,480
There's stuff that was all
throat.
733
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:08,680
No throat.
You know what I mean.
734
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,960
But somebody with a range like
Mercury and and just his his
735
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,480
power and presence as a singer
alone.
736
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:21,000
I didn't, I didn't know until
years years ago that he's like
737
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,360
was a just a a chain smoker.
I'm like what the fuck.
738
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,000
Like any man who cares.
You're playing guitar chain
739
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,800
smoker.
You know you do little
740
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,680
background harmonies here and
there, but.
741
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,480
You're not.
You're not doing a show.
742
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:38,000
A 90 minute show, singing and
and constantly smoking like I've
743
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,160
I've seen stuff from Metallica's
tour where Hetfield's sucking
744
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,640
down cigars side stage before he
goes on.
745
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,040
I'm like, what the fuck are you
doing?
746
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,720
Like you're you don't inhale
those.
747
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,040
Yeah, but you're still but
you're still fucking hitting the
748
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,560
cigar, man.
Kept even worse.
749
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,400
You're still hitting the cigar.
It's still hitting your throat.
750
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,000
Whether you inhale or not.
It's still.
751
00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:05,080
You're still bringing an element
into your into your instrument,
752
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,440
which singers.
I understand where you're coming
753
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,480
from to.
Where you you, you just right.
754
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,480
It's just, you know I've had my
share of problems with my voice
755
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,320
over the years.
But it's it's never something
756
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:21,400
that I I I abused knowingly.
And to me, smoking as a singer,
757
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,560
just knowingly willingly abusing
your instrument, it's kind of
758
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,800
like you with guitar.
Like you you'd mentioned
759
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,040
earlier.
Like if you don't play, you'll
760
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,280
lose it and you have to get back
to that constant.
761
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,640
Where you just fiddle around
with it every day for a couple
762
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,040
hours getting your rhythm back
and your fingers back and your,
763
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:41,080
you know, it's it's no different
than if if I decided oh, I'm
764
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,160
going to go you know join a
cover band and sing two nights a
765
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,760
week.
I'm not in vocal shape to do
766
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,080
that.
There's there's going to have to
767
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,320
go back you know get a go back
to voice teacher for a couple
768
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,280
months and.
I mean, I still know all the
769
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,520
drills and exercises, but it's
just always good to have
770
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,040
somebody that that like a
trainer, you go work out.
771
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,240
I don't go work out by myself.
I go work at Orange Theory
772
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,000
because they have trainers that
this is what you're doing.
773
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,680
This is how you do it and it's
you need that well and that's
774
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,280
something that very.
Rare do I think.
775
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,520
Think about from a singer
standpoint is you're carrying
776
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,000
your instrument around with you
at all times.
777
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,760
So a singer is always in fear of
getting sick.
778
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,880
And usually singers are not
germophobes, but they're they're
779
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:29,360
very much, they're more aware of
things like that because you are
780
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,280
carrying your voice around with
you and if you get sick, you
781
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:33,880
Can't Sing and you can't
perform.
782
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:38,520
Like you said, I can get blown
out drunk, I can get stoned, I
783
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,200
can do whatever, and I can still
get up there and play my guitar.
784
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,480
Because you're playing comes
from your subconscious.
785
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,720
Yours does too.
But your instruments also part
786
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:52,640
of your body.
People take that, that you know,
787
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,040
if you don't hang out with
musicians, you don't even think
788
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,440
about That is what I'm getting
at.
789
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,200
Only musicians actually think
about the singer because you
790
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,600
hear it all the time.
Hey man, you know, if you're
791
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,840
sick, stay away from me because
I got a show tomorrow.
792
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,640
Yep.
That's why I was always even
793
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,760
before Knuckles were cool.
It was, you know, I don't want
794
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:20,560
to shake your hand.
Yes, you know, it's just just
795
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,240
you know.
You know, before, before all the
796
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:30,040
hand sanitizers and shit, I
always was just, you know,
797
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,600
that's the one thing about
microphones too, is like you.
798
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,360
Just you never from a singer
standpoint and nobody touches my
799
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:37,560
mic.
Like, fuck off.
800
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:38,400
Don't.
No.
801
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,160
He even had his own mic stand
that he could have killed
802
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,640
somebody with.
Do you still have that?
803
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:44,920
Yep.
Yep.
804
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,520
I I I don't.
It broke.
805
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,720
The guitarist and my last band
decided to be funny to throw
806
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:55,920
something in the trailer when we
were packing up for the Road to
807
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,200
Sturgis tour and and and broke
it.
808
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,200
Oh man.
And then?
809
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,880
Right then and there, the
drummer was like, oh, right.
810
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,720
And then the drummer's like,
that's a bad omen.
811
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:06,840
That's a bad omen.
So I gave it.
812
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,280
I I connected with Neil.
Who explained, explained to the
813
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,280
fine people who are listening
what we're talking about because
814
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:14,880
they have no idea what we're
talking about.
815
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,520
So either describe it to him or
if you have a picture, I.
816
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,520
Wish I had a picture.
But I don't have a picture, but
817
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,720
I have a tattoo.
So the tattoo which you can't
818
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:26,200
really see, I'll have to take a
picture of it and somehow get it
819
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,560
on.
But the tattoo, this mic stand
820
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,120
was fucking Neil.
Drew the tattoo because Neil
821
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,720
Neil created, right, right.
So the mic stand itself was my
822
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:38,280
hand.
We we molded my hand in this
823
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,080
resin.
So I was holding the mic like
824
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,200
this in my hand and the whole
thing went down, like, where's
825
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:49,680
the went down to my shoulder.
But this was up, so my my.
826
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,640
The base of it was raven's
claws.
827
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,360
And then it came into my arm.
My whole.
828
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,400
So cool.
The whole.
829
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,120
Entire arm was like like
straight up, straight up to
830
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,440
where when I stepped to the mic
I'd be stepped into my hand the
831
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,160
mic.
We had a so the mic would fit
832
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,640
right inside my hand of the mic
stand itself and then I I would
833
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,840
wrap my hands around my hand and
single thing weighed probably
834
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:20,240
what you know.
Yeah, yeah, probably 15 lbs it.
835
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:21,840
Was A.
It was made of black resin.
836
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,400
And you and the cool thing about
you could really, yeah, but you
837
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,720
could, you could see the veins
the way he did it.
838
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:31,680
You could actually see my actual
veins in the sculpture itself
839
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,880
because he was an art student.
So it was an art project that he
840
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,400
he did and he got an A on it.
You got, oh, you got, yeah, many
841
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,560
compliments on that.
I'm decided it'd be.
842
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,240
It was always a talking point.
It was before.
843
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:48,800
People bands like corn.
Oh yeah, Long before being out
844
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,360
with their.
Long before.
845
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,520
Yes.
Yeah, I I was the mic stand
846
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,440
originator.
You very well might have been.
847
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,480
Who knows?
I mean, we played so many damn
848
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,200
shows, dude, who knows who saw
us?
849
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:06,520
You know, when we got on the
plane to fly back here to play a
850
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:11,080
gig in Illinois, like probably
five or six people that were
851
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,880
from Phoenix had been to one of
our shows at The Jar or The
852
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,440
Ballroom or Boston's or
whatever.
853
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,440
Right on.
We played a lot of shows, I
854
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,720
remember.
Boston's.
855
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,520
Yeah, Yeah, that's Yeah.
If you got booked at Boston's,
856
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:29,840
you were a big deal at that
time.
857
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,880
Uh huh.
Yeah.
858
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,000
Yeah.
Wow.
859
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,560
We need the scene like in
Phoenix ticket steps.
860
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,840
And we can go over the I don't
know, I haven't.
861
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,880
I don't really go.
I've every now and then I'll
862
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,040
check out with some friends,
we'll go see cover bands and
863
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,560
casinos.
But I haven't.
864
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,480
I haven't picked up a New Times
in 20 years and that's where all
865
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,520
the band stuff used to be.
I just, I don't know.
866
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,320
When I go to record stores, the
record stores I go to don't
867
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:10,040
really promote local bands,
which is kind of shitty other
868
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,040
than ASU.
That's how we got all ours.
869
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:18,400
I I.
Just yeah, that was the best
870
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:19,560
thing.
I was going down ASU the last
871
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,280
time I went.
Out finding the hottest chicks
872
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:28,640
you could Scott and I rather
enjoyed that job.
873
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:30,080
Hitting the.
Pavement.
874
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,120
Oh, I bet you did.
You know, it's like, yeah, we'll
875
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:39,280
go sell the tickets.
Yeah.
876
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:44,840
Yeah, good old Scott.
Did you reach out to Rick at
877
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,040
all?
Did you poke at him?
878
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,440
No, but I need to, William.
Richard Carr, the 3rd I'll get
879
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,920
on that.
He always looked at me funny
880
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,440
when I introduced him, when I
did the banner introductions,
881
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,080
you know, and he'd always look.
At me, like with that little
882
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,480
evil eye, when I'd say William
William Richard Carr, the third
883
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,960
on base, get the stink out.
It's Rick, man.
884
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,680
William Richard Carr, the third
Mr., Mike Michaels on guitars,
885
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,280
Scott Connor on the drums.
Ladies and gentlemen, please
886
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:27,000
welcome Mr. Chris Dunham.
Yeah, that would be me.
887
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,000
We did that a few times well.
Where are we at?
888
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,880
We did.
We do that a few times for sure.
889
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,720
I I introduced, I think, I think
every set we ever played.
890
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:38,520
I introduced the band.
I did every time.
891
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,440
Not introducing the band, no,
you did it just like that.
892
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,600
It's just it brought it brought
back memory.
893
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:49,600
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You have to, man.
894
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,440
People need to know who you are
and why you're there.
895
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:57,680
You know, everybody always left.
That's the whole better than
896
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,240
they can of it, right?
Yeah.
897
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,760
Everybody always left our show
happier than when they got
898
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,200
there.
So I guess ultimately which is?
899
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:08,400
Cool.
Because not all.
900
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,880
Yeah.
I would say ultimately for you
901
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,240
and I, that would be our mission
statement or mantra for this
902
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:17,560
podcast is we hope that when you
get done listening to this, that
903
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,720
you either laughed or cried or
thought about something or just
904
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:24,080
had an emotion and that it made
you happy.
905
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,320
If they're tears, I hope they're
happy tears.
906
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,360
You know I want positivity bred
into the world now, right?
907
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:35,080
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, because not all my songs
908
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,640
were were happy, you know?
No.
909
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,760
No time for hate, no, but I
think.
910
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,200
That wrote were happy either,
but it was.
911
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,120
I think the it's.
The way they were delivered,
912
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,920
people could resonate with him
and they could catch on to it.
913
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,600
I think the point that they're
missing, though, is the ones
914
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,840
that weren't positive were
therapeutic to you in your own
915
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,080
personal way that we knew
because you shared it with us,
916
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,080
but the public never got to hear
that, you know, So what they
917
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,560
would interpret as, wow, that's
an angry song.
918
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,320
It might have been an angry
song, but that was your way of
919
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,200
dealing with it without hurting
anybody.
920
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,280
Absolutely.
Music is therapeutic.
921
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,280
Absolutely.
So if it needed a OH.
922
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:23,000
Yeah, without If it needed a
tough guitar riff, we would make
923
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,160
it a tough guitar riff and it
would support the song.
924
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,560
It would support the message.
It might make it sound like it
925
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,440
was an angry song or that you
were being angry, but it was.
926
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,960
Music is therapy, man.
Some of the nicest guys I've
927
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,480
ever met in my life play the
heaviest music.
928
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,520
Those death metal guys, all
they're doing is trying to scare
929
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,080
people.
They're the nicest guys you'd
930
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,520
ever want to meet for the most
part.
931
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,800
They get their aggressions out
on stage every night.
932
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:48,240
Oh.
Yeah.
933
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:48,960
Well, yeah.
Yeah.
934
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,200
Yep, exactly.
Yeah.
935
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,920
People don't.
Not everybody but there's
936
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,320
there's collective groups in in
in my lifetime that never you
937
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,960
know when when the whole Tipper
Gore shit was going on oh
938
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,360
Metallica's Satan worshippers
and you know AC DS use the
939
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,760
devil's music all they didn't
nobody understood it was it was
940
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,280
nobody's evil man.
It's just it's just show.
941
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,200
It's it's a character you step
into.
942
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:21,360
It's you know, you.
You couldn't be metallical
943
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,560
without having that dark,
imminent presence.
944
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,160
Because.
It was such ground breaking
945
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,600
music and such so, so off the
wall.
946
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:30,720
Where the hell did this come
from?
947
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,640
Like you could never release an
album called Kill Them All Today
948
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,680
with that cover on it.
There's no way like that's not
949
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,720
going to fly.
Destroyed, You know, Right.
950
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:43,080
But back then, it's just.
I mean, that's the thing, man.
951
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,840
Nobody Metallica did for heavy
metal what?
952
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,400
What Grunge did what Seattle did
for grunge, right?
953
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,600
Because there's two different
eras of time.
954
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:58,560
And when Metallica broke in and
kind of hit the mainstream that
955
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:03,680
that nobody heard that fucking
driving angry just in your face
956
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,480
like fuck you here I am music
like they put out, you know, I
957
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,400
mean I like all the Metallica up
to black and black I think kind
958
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,800
of made them commercialize,
which there's a whole debate
959
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,800
that we won't go down there.
But I liked everything pre
960
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,560
black.
I Black's all right.
961
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,440
Right.
Black's all right, but Black was
962
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,000
a commercial success.
Which they had, They had to,
963
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,320
right?
They had to go there because
964
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:28,960
they had to evolve.
You know what I mean?
965
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,560
Like you can't just stay and
kill them all world, you have to
966
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,440
evolve.
I mean Ride Lightning is still
967
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:37,680
all their pre black stuff stands
a test of time.
968
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,840
Black took them to the
stratosphere and you know, then
969
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,720
the S&M stuff with their
orchestra I thought was
970
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,680
fantastic because whoever
thought that metallic music
971
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:53,840
could actually so.
There's a good if I can find it,
972
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,720
I'll write it down and I'll
share it because it's totally
973
00:54:56,720 --> 00:55:00,440
worth.
Watching this YouTube clip it's
974
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,240
the it's acoustic like.
What the fuck?
975
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,960
It's it's music, dude.
There's a YouTube clip out there
976
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:12,760
with Michael Caine.
He's the director of the
977
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,440
orchestra.
He's dead now, but there's a
978
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:23,160
there's a good clip of him
talking about writing the charts
979
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,440
for Master of Puppets, the song
itself.
980
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:30,160
And he said, I went to James and
I said this section right here.
981
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,520
He said it's very interesting.
He said were you guys aware that
982
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:39,120
you wrote it in 22nd, thirty
2230 seconds?
983
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,080
And James said, I was
embarrassed, but I just had to
984
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,600
look at him and say, Nah man, we
just thought it was cool.
985
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,920
And that dude started laughing.
It's it's just a great, you
986
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,880
know, here's this musical genius
conductor can do anything, play
987
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,440
any instrument, write it, notate
it, do anything.
988
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:03,160
And he was fascinated that a
band of four people could pull
989
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,400
off a musical feat like Master
of Puppets.
990
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:10,400
It is a musical feat.
It's like 200 and. 20 beats a
991
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,520
minute or something, just
non-stop except for that little
992
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,080
middle section.
Yeah, yeah, it's insane.
993
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,280
Yeah.
Yeah, No, it's one of my
994
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,440
favorite all time songs too.
And the S&M version is fucking
995
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,200
fantastic.
But the original one is still
996
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:29,480
just, you know, it's just so we
we could go on for, we could go
997
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,800
on for days about Metallica and
we probably will at some point.
998
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:38,560
But to harken back to how this
whole point started, I heard
999
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:46,320
about Metallica in 1985. 84 When
Ride the Lightning came out, my
1000
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,680
buddy Mark Brewer was giving me
a ride to school.
1001
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,200
I was probably a fresh I must
have been a freshman in high
1002
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:52,840
school because he would have
been a sophomore.
1003
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,120
And he popped that thing in his
cassette deck and it's changed
1004
00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:00,080
my life ever since, man, just
hearing that opening to fight
1005
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,960
fire with fire.
Unbelievable, right?
1006
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,600
Nobody had ever heard anything
like that, man.
1007
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,400
The the kids today can't
understand that.
1008
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,560
There was nothing like that.
They were the first, right?
1009
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,440
We were listening to Def Leppard
and Mountain crew, man.
1010
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,520
Exactly.
None of them.
1011
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,960
That's the one thing that that
where we're at in the in the
1012
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,320
music world today, there's
there's nothing that's that's
1013
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,640
not been tapped into.
You know now it's just
1014
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,120
everybody's a thief on some
level.
1015
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,000
But not intentionally agree.
You know, I I know exactly.
1016
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,120
It's hard to be an original
nowadays.
1017
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:45,600
Yeah, Yep it is.
Because even the stuff we wrote
1018
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:50,520
in Nemesis that would would
still, you know, would still be
1019
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:55,120
relevant today if if if if it
came out today, we it would be,
1020
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,800
it would be compared to
something else that came out
1021
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,120
since then, I'm sure, and I'm
very proud of that.
1022
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:05,280
Lyrical content and.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we have.
1023
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,760
And we didn't use, we didn't use
a bunch of studio magic.
1024
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,040
We just went out there and
played, man.
1025
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,160
There's two lessons that I
learned from Jimmy Page and Led
1026
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,960
Zeppelin.
The two lessons that I took away
1027
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:23,800
from studying Zeppelin more than
any other band was split
1028
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,520
Everything 25%.
There's no argument, doesn't
1029
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,840
matter who wrote what without
that other guy being there.
1030
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,680
There's no band.
OK, that's rule #1.
1031
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,520
Agreed, agreed.
Rule #2 is don't do anything in
1032
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,600
the studio that you can't
recreate live.
1033
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,160
And he broke that rule a little
bit, absolutely.
1034
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,200
But he was always able to lean
on John Paul Jones to play some
1035
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,520
kind of keyboard stuff to
support the other guitars that
1036
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:56,600
weren't there right.
Yeah, yeah.
1037
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,720
He's the Beethoven of guitars
for our generation.
1038
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,320
No question.
Right on.
1039
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:08,920
That's a good analogy.
It is I to me, he is just
1040
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:16,960
because to your point, he
recorded stuff that still sounds
1041
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,080
just like it did the day it was.
It doesn't sound like it came
1042
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:24,440
from 1967 or 1975.
It sounds like it was recorded
1043
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:28,960
yesterday, right?
You hear a Led Zeppelin song.
1044
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,480
It doesn't harken you back to
1970.
1045
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,320
It's just a Led Zeppelin song,
no?
1046
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,320
Not at all.
Yeah, yeah, not at all.
1047
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,520
It stands the test of time for
sure, even though you go back
1048
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:40,200
and I.
Mean.
1049
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,720
Obviously they've remastered
their stuff, but if you go back
1050
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:48,400
and listen to Trickster or
Slaughter, it's clear that it's
1051
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,640
1987, correct?
Nothing wrong with those bands.
1052
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,400
I'm not saying that it's bad.
I'm just saying if you hear that
1053
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,400
sound, you say, Oh my God, that
takes me back to 1988, right?
1054
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,040
If good times, bad times comes
on right now, I'm just like,
1055
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,040
cranking it up.
I'm not thinking, oh, it's 1968,
1056
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,400
right?
Right.
1057
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,560
Oh yeah.
Even The Doors didn't have that
1058
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:17,200
power.
No, no, because a lot, you know,
1059
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,160
their stuff came from the 60s
and the 70s.
1060
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,760
Just because of the what a lot
of it was driven by Manzarek and
1061
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:26,040
and Robbie and the way they
played, it's still the keyboards
1062
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,400
itself.
I think kind of the way Manzarek
1063
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,800
played them kind of locked them
in that time capsule in the.
1064
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,160
Sound.
Yeah, the actual sound that he
1065
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:40,720
worsened.
Yep, Yep, Yep, absolutely it.
1066
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:46,400
Just fascinates me more and more
all the time at how talented
1067
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:50,920
Jimmy was, not only as a guitar
player and a songwriter, but as
1068
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,480
a producer and an engineer
because the sounds that he got.
1069
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:00,240
He didn't use all that studio
magic, it just whatever he did
1070
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,400
to record those that music, it
stood the test of time.
1071
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,840
It just fascinates me.
Oh yeah.
1072
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,160
Oh yeah, that's.
One.
1073
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:13,760
That's one man's vision.
That's that's the yeah.
1074
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,080
Oh, yeah.
Which is insane, like inside of
1075
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:17,000
his brain.
For a day.
1076
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:18,960
Just for a day.
See what?
1077
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,080
He's kind of like Prince.
Like what did Prince hear?
1078
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,720
All that shit, that everything
that Prince ever recorded.
1079
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,880
Did he hear all that shit in his
head before I laid it down or
1080
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:28,000
was it just, you know what I
mean?
1081
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,360
Those are those things.
Yeah, those are those things
1082
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,720
that always, you know, because I
never, I've never had the fool
1083
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,640
when I write lyrically.
I've never, I've never had, I've
1084
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,960
never had the music in my head,
you know, per SE.
1085
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,880
And then in all the nuances, I
always needed you guys to feed
1086
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,120
off.
Well, this needs the drums.
1087
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,000
Got to go this way and the bass
got to go this way.
1088
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,760
I just heard the melody I just
saw.
1089
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,440
I saw what I wrote and then the
melody came up from based on
1090
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,520
what kind of riff you came up
with.
1091
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,880
And then you guys kind of filled
in all the pieces to make it
1092
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,680
this big sound that that was
true for any band that was ever
1093
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:02,120
in.
When it came to writing, I could
1094
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:07,000
lyrics, all the melodies and
structuring but the.
1095
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:12,760
Best way that I can describe it
from a musician's standpoint is.
1096
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,280
I used to have a really
complicated explanation, but
1097
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,480
I've simplified it.
You would understand my
1098
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,720
complicated explanation but most
people go cross eyed on me.
1099
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:27,680
So the best way I can describe
it is it's like in my mind I can
1100
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:32,680
feel the rhythm and the pieces
which would be the chords are
1101
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,680
like puzzle pieces floating
along in my mind and I just plug
1102
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them in where they belong,
right?
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So I'm feeling the rhythm, just
the the universe vibrates at
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frequencies.
And we're going to get really
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woo woo now, but that's the
reason that a lot of musicians
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like to get high because you're
on another frequency now, right?
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So on that frequency, I'm going
to play differently than I am
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when I'm on a sober frequency.
It just changes the way that you
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play so now.
The puzzle pieces look
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differently than they would have
if I was not under the influence
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of anything.
You're just vibrating at a
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different frequency.
That's all there is to it.
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But as far as writing the music,
that's a cool analogy.
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It's.
Just like putting puzzle pieces
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in there, yeah, yeah.
That's why you need drummers.
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Drummers are good at putting the
puzzle together because they
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understand sections.
They can count.
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That's the big one.
They can count.
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Yeah, right.
Thank God for that.
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Well, we're over an hour.
Should we call it a day?
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Get back to life for the week.
Repeat that, because you froze
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up on me, I said.
I said we're over an hour, so we
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should probably call it a day.
Call it a show.
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01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:09,960
Was this our 4th show?
This is #4 #4 The Chris and Mike
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01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,440
Show.
What are we going to call this
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01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:13,120
one?
Ramblings.
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01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,440
Musical ramblings.
I'm fine with that.
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Yeah, I'll.
Let you name it Musical
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01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:22,320
Ramblings Episode 4, The Chris
and Mike Show.
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01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,640
Thanks for everybody for hanging
in with us for this long.
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Yeah.
It's a democracy.
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01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,400
Hopefully you got something good
out of this.
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01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,520
It is a democracy.
So, all right.
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01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,920
Mike Michaels.
I'm Chris Dunham.
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01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:43,160
He's Chris Dunham.
We'll see you next time, right?
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Peaks All right, man.
Thanks for stopping by.
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See ya.
Hey.