#99 - Alicia Shields - Mrs. Arizona USA to Global Advocate

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Because it allows me to relax.
Hey, boys and girls, what's

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going on?
It's the Chris and Mike show and

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today we have a super special
guest, Mrs. Arizona in the mix,

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Alicia Shields.
Welcome to the show, Alicia.

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Welcome, Alicia.
Thanks for coming on.

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Good morning.
Thank you.

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Excited to be here.
Right, so we were talking before

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the show started because I
thought she was she was working

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towards becoming Miss Misses
Arizona, but she's actually

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already misses Arizona.
So egg on the face.

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Tell us a little bit about that.
How did you achieve that and and

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where do you go from here?
Sure.

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So Missus Arizona, it's part of
the worldwide pageant system.

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So I'm Missus Arizona USA and I
will be competing for Missus USA

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in July.
The state pageant is more of an

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interview process.
If there's multiple candidates,

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it's all panel interview.
You talk about what your

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platform is and then they decide
on there and then you spend the

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majority of the year working on
your platform and then you get

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to the big competition, the
pageant in July.

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Can you run just for the Arizona
or do you have to be misses

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something like the county or the
city or?

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So with this particular pageant
system, you're the state and

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then you if you become Misses
USA, then you compete at at like

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a worldwide level.
OK, wow.

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That's awesome.
That's really cool.

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Congratulations.
Thank you.

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That's a big.
Deal.

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So what's what's, what's your
platform?

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So my platform is Veteran Mental
Health.

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So I'm working towards
destigmatizing mental health and

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helping veterans who many have
PTSD get the resources that they

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need and get plugged into those
resources and get involved with

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organizations that will help
them work through their PTSD and

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continue to serve.
That's awesome.

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Right on.
So you help them not only while

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they're in the service, but when
they get out.

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Very cool.
Cool.

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Right on.
And your your father's a

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veteran, was a veteran.
Yeah, So my dad was killed in

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the Beirut bombing of 83.
He was a Marine.

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He was killed during his
service.

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So that my family's a Gold Star
family.

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Right on.
And then you're you.

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And when you talked about
Patrick, your husband, he was a

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Navy, Navy veteran.
Correct.

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Yep, he was a crypto tech in the
Navy.

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Really.
How long?

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How long was he in the Navy?
So he did like 4 years active

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and then four years reserve or
something like that.

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So eight years total.
Right Hon, Right.

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And just so people know, you are
in the, in the Phoenix area, you

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have two, two kids or three, I
forget, 3.

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Three, they're all grown up.
What's Yeah, they're growing up,

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right?
What are the ages?

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1513 and 11.
Wow.

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So when we, when we worked
together, I don't even remember

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how long ago that was.
They were just, they were all

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yeah, they were small.
Yeah.

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Yeah, that's awesome.
I can't believe I've got one

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that's going to be driving the
streets of Phoenix soon.

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Is that is that Giovanni?
No, Caitlin.

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Really.
Yeah, Why don't you get the girl

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driver first?
Giovanni might actually drive

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before her.
We'll see, really.

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Maybe.
Is she one of those kids that's

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not excited about it?
No, she's very excited.

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She thinks she's going to jump
in the car the minute she gets

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her license and drive to Ohio to
see my parents.

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Really fantastic.
Yeah, that'll happen.

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That would be fun, though.
You know, if I'm like, hey,

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where you going?
Ohio.

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Yeah.
For my first drive.

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Right.
Well, I mean, think about

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though.
That's like when I learned how

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to drive.
My grandmother taught me in the

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back, in the back streets of
between Pleasant Plains, IL and

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Abington's, which is kind of the
Quad Cities area.

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And it was like legit, it was
all backwood stuff.

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So you know, super wide streets,
county roads anyway.

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And she had this giant, I don't
know what it was like a green

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Oldsmobile or something.
And she taught me like, because

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you still had the like the
little tip of the car hood,

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right?
And so that tip of the car hood,

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I had to line it up with the
center lane and I had to be 10

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two.
There was one time where I

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brought this hand down and I got
Christopher.

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What a dark I'm.
Like I'm like what?

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She's like, hold hands on the
string wheel.

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Oh my goodness.
OK, I'm sorry.

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And Mama Kay said that the speed
limit was for experienced

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drivers, so you couldn't even go
the speed limit.

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You had to go like 5 miles an
hour under.

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Yeah, see, see like.
We're being passed by a

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Winnebago.
I don't care.

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We're safe.
Right.

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My grandmother taught me the
cruise control and I was allowed

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to go 5 miles over the speed
limit because it's oh.

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That's funny.
Because it's County Road.

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Yeah, yeah.
And that's where I learned too.

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Yeah, yeah.
I think what scares me the most

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is her, her self-awareness.
It's the funniest thing.

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She can walk into a room, be in
there for a minute, walk out and

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tell you what everybody was
wearing shoe color and

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everything.
But if somebody was walking

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toward her to kidnap her, she
would miss all the red flags,

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really.
So we're like, this is great

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that you're going to be able to
tell the police what the

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kidnapper looked like to the
detail, but you can't recognize

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that it's about to happen and
get away.

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Yeah, that's that's a conundrum.
I'm aware of that personality

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type.
I have a family member that's

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very much like that.
I mean, she's very creative.

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This is my artsy girl that's in
all of the musicals and plays,

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and she's just like La La la in
her own world.

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That's crazy.
So now when it comes to teaching

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her to drive, who's going to
teach her?

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I don't know.
We haven't battled that out yet.

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See, I would now number one, we
bought Jake a stick, right?

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Skyler's a different story, but
we bought Jake a stick which

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which prevented him from being
able to text and drive.

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Right.
Oh, that's smart.

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So I thought so.
I thought because, because

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years, a couple years ago, well,
actually before he got in the

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Marines, so how many years ago
that was now he, he ran into a

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CenturyLink truck in the HOV
lane on the freeway.

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And then I've, I've later found
out it's because he was messing

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around with his phone.
But when he first started

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driving, right, that was, you
know, because you had to use

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both hands and both feet like he
just couldn't.

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And that's why we did that.
So, you know, Skylar, that the

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phones weren't as prevalent when
she started driving.

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So it really wasn't a concern,
you know, even though it's kind

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of destroyed, I think 4/4
vehicles in her day, you know,

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back on what?
She's good now.

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But you know, that was a chaotic
time of life.

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But so hey, this is the
Christian Mike show.

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We're on Instagram, Facebook,
and YouTube.

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Make sure if you're just joining
us, go to those to go to those

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social media sites that give us
a follow, Drop us, drop a

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review, you know, subscribe to
the platforms because you'll be

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able to know when Alicia's show
pops.

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And there's several reasons why
we have her on the show #1 where

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she's Mrs. Arizona, which is
pretty legit, especially how

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many people like, went and
applied for that role.

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Did you do you know?
No.

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OK, so you can't can't be like I
was chosen out of 15,000

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contestants when?
You went to the final

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competition though, How many?
So it was.

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Yeah, Well, the one in July
there will probably be about 50

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of us since there's 50 states.
But the the the way that the

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state one is run because it's
panel interview, you do those

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separate with the panel so you
don't actually go up against

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like you're not standing in a
room with everybody.

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OK, you just go and sit down and
then you have 5 people drilling

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it basically.
Yes, yes.

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OK.
And now, so is it all scheduled

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times or like is everybody
backstage in a line or how it

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kind of explain how that works?
Yeah, so you actually can do it

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via Zoom.
So you're not even in the same

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physical location because the
panel is located in different

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locations.
So you know, to save on cost is

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my assumption.
It's.

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Easier to just now, right?
Yeah, exactly.

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Same concept.
Yeah, right on.

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So what do you do for fun there,
Alicia Shields?

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Oh, what do I do for fun?
So I've gotten really heavy into

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weightlifting.
I'm doing my first bodybuilding

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show in August.
Nice.

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I've noticed, I've noticed that
you're bringing the boxing and

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stuff which you know the neck
doesn't allow me to box like

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otherwise because I've always
wanted to work out.

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I think boxing is a great
workout, is it not?

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It's a wonderful workout.
I bought into a boxing gym

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because I love it so much.
Right on.

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OK, that explains that explains
the concert promoting then nice

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job.
Yes, I just thought you were

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there because you were you were
hitting me up like, oh, you

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should come workout, come
workout.

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And unfortunately it was the the
timing was when I have little

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man and then the whole the whole
divert of the the degenerating

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vertebrae thing.
I'm like, I don't, I don't, I

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don't think this is going to be
good for the Mac.

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You know, yeah, it's the gym I
was working out at and then I

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bought into it, so.
That's cool.

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That is cool.
So so what's the what's the gym

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called?
Because you might as well plug

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it.
Box out.

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Box out OK and it's in box.
Out in Chandler.

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OK.
In Chandler, yeah.

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And then we also have a
nonprofit called Box Out Project

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where we focus on kids, women's
empowerment and veterans.

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Nice.
OK, so let's talk.

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Let's because I want to, I want
to talk about the stuff you do.

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So let's, since we're on the box
out thing, let's talk about that

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program.
What is that?

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What's that involved?
What does it entail?

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How do you help people?
How to can people reach out to

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get more information?
All that kind of jazz.

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Sure.
So Box Out az.com is the website

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for the gym itself and we have a
couple pros that fight out of

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our gym and then we have a whole
bunch of amateurs and then we

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have people that just come to
the classes because they want to

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stay in shape.
All of our classes are coached

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by people that have been in the
circuit, so former pros, active

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fighters.
So it's really cool Box Out

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project.
We found that a lot of people

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that get into boxing are
experiencing a lot of other

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things, whether it's addiction
or some other depression, other

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mental health type things.
And there's a lot of evidence

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that boxing and working out in
general is really good for your

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mental health.
There's actually been there's

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actually been studies about how
non contact boxing.

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So classes help improve PTSD.
So Box out Project takes the

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things that I know from the
medical side of the world and

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then uses our coaches so that we
can take at risk youth and train

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them.
And a lot of bullying happens in

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the schools.
So teaching, teaching people how

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to deal with that and then
women's empowerment for obvious

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reasons and then focusing on the
veterans is really where my

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passion is.
And what's really cool is I'm,

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I'm finishing my psych NP in
July also, it's going to be a

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busy time of year, right?
And we're, we're putting a

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clinic in the back of the boxing
gym.

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So I'll be able to do therapy,
Med management right there.

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And it's called In Your Corner,
behavioral health and Wellness.

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That's cool.
So for people that don't know,

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because people don't know
because we didn't really drop

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your your life resume, Yeah, and
you just dropped something went

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over my head.
So why don't you back back up a

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little bit and just explain to
people who you are and your

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medical background and all that
kind of stuff.

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So that'll help understand as we
continue down the our

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conversation here this morning.
Sure.

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So I got into nursing a very
long time ago.

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I've been a nurse for many, many
years and I went the leadership

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route.
So I was a chief nursing officer

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for a while and I was able to
make some good impact.

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That's why I went the leadership
route.

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I wanted to be able to make
systemic changes and I was able

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to do that.
But then I started to get a

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little burned out with
healthcare.

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I started teaching for a while
and then I got really heavy in

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the humanitarian world doing
both nursing and planning and

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security, which planning and
security was great because they

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got to do all of the planning of
operations and then I could go

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on the operations as a nurse,
which was really cool.

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What I realized while I was out
there, not only is there a huge

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gap with veterans, there's a
huge gap with disaster survivors

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and mental health.
Yeah, see, that's kind of stuff

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that I've seen.
Like you'll, you'll go, you'll

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go to places and and you'll drop
down on Facebook.

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Like, you know, I don't remember
the last place you posted

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because obviously there's so
much stuff that's on socially,

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but you were in another country
and, and like, not so much

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always disaster cleanup, but
you're just there to help and

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and do your thing.
Yeah, Uganda was the last one.

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OK.
And what did you do in Uganda?

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So in Uganda, this was with
veterans without orders.

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We set up Sawyer water filters.
So a lot of people don't have

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access to clean water and it
leads to malaria and other

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gastrointestinal
gastrointestinal disorders and

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absenteeism from school.
So the kids aren't getting the

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education they need.
So Sawyer has developed these

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super easy water filters.
You take their filter, a bucket,

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and you have clean water for 10
years.

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So yeah, it's amazing.
So.

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We took is is Sawyer spelled
like Tom Sawyer?

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Sawyer, Yeah.
OK, cool, cool.

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Yep.
So we we took these Sawyer

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filters over to Uganda and
here's the really cool piece.

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So we don't want to be an
organization that pops in for a

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week and then disappears.
So the way that you're going to

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make an impact in another
country is to build resilience

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and capacity.
It's like teaching people to

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fish right, so they don't go
hungry.

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Exactly.
So we, we learn, we've learned a

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few things over the years.
First of all, if you give these

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filters to men, they're going to
go sell them because they can

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make money right away, OK.
If you give them to women, they

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realize this is going to last us
for 10 years.

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That's going to keep my family
safe.

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My kids survive, right?
Yes, so.

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Women there's there's the focus,
right?

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Men want to make the money for
the house.

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Women like, screw that.
Let's figure out how to make

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this established water for a
decade.

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Yes.
Then we can worry about making

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monies on another way because
we're taking care from what you

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need to survive.
Exactly, exactly.

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So, so we, we only train women
and girls on how to use these

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and how to keep them safe.
So, and then we took it one step

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further.
We partnered with a school in in

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Uganda called Levites Academy
and their high school.

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We have a group of high school
girls that have become wash

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ambassadors.
So washes, water, sanitation,

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hygiene and we have taught them
everything they need to know

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about these filters.
So if if anyone in the community

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is having problems with their
filters, they can just take them

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to these wash ambassadors and
say help and they they're able

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to troubleshoot.
So we ask you this.

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Yeah, go ahead, Mike.
How do they keep the men from

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learning their what their
knowledge is right?

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I mean, they can, they can learn
it.

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But if we were to just hand them
out to men and the women weren't

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involved, that would be it.
Yeah.

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So because we're engaging the
women they have, they have more

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ownership over the product and
they're not, I mean, they're

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they're not letting the guys
just take.

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Them this just becomes.
Their thing, right?

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This is our thing.
I was going to, I was going to

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say, you know, have a dude come
into the house and try to take

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that filter away from from the
wife.

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Yeah, that's not going to happen
because what kind of wife do?

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Yeah, yeah.
OK, you take my filter.

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Guess what you're not getting,
buddy.

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Yeah, that and no more clean
water.

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Right.
So I'm on, I'm on Sawyer's

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website.
So, so everything is like around

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50 bucks or less.
So there's just one that I

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pulled up.
It's a Sawyer water filter.

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It's called Squeeze water
filtration system.

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Is that a good example of what
you're using?

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Let me, I can, let me look at
their and I can tell you exactly

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which one.
But yeah, they're about 5030 to

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$50.00.
I mean, we we get a bit of a

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discount.
Because of the.

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What we're doing obviously, but
but yeah, we take, OK, so the

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squeeze water filtration that is
it's the same principle.

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But if you look at there's,
there's the filter in the bottom

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of the squeeze filtration
system.

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We basically take a filter that
very much looks like that and we

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buy buckets wherever we're at
and you take the bucket and we

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we put a hole in the bucket and
we put the filter in it.

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So then they they get 2 buckets.
So they take their dirty water,

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pour it into the bucket, let it
filter out, and then they have a

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bucket to catch the clean water.
OK, so on the basically on the

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bottom of of one bucket, you cut
a hole and you, you, you drop

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the filter into it, right.
So like, like for, for people

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that aren't grasping, like it's
like a garden hose, like a

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little piece of garden hose.
The water's going to travel

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through it.
The kicker is you have the

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filter that the water filters
through.

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So we have two Home Depot
buckets. 1 is full of water.

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You're going to pour it into the
other one that has the filter.

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And then where's that water
going underneath it?

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So they have a clean bucket.
OK, gotcha.

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Yeah.
So essentially.

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So essentially we have 3
buckets.

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Yeah, or they can.
They don't even have to use a

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bucket because it has a little
nozzle thing on it.

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So they can just once they have
that water in there, they can go

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ahead.
And okay, so you could set the

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bucket on the counter and have
the nozzle coming out the side

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instead of the bottom?
Yep.

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And then like on off like a
faucet.

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Yeah, kind of like one that
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And it's it's wild.
I actually scooped some water.

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So we also have a bag system.
I saw that on the site.

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Yeah, the gravity, the one
gallon gravity.

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Yes.
And we we use those when we're

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in the field.
I mean, we're not going to go

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and tell someone you should use
this if we're not going to use

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it.
Thank you.

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Right.
So we we were out in the field

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and we scooped up some water and
it was disgusting looking.

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It was brown, it had stuff in
it.

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Put it through the filter and I
drank it and it was the

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refreshing water.
So let me ask you, that's crazy.

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So does this work with all kinds
of water?

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Does it work with sea water?
So it doesn't desalinate.

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Okay, so that's why I asked,
because some people think I can

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go, you know, so it's more like
ponds and streams and stuff.

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Yes, yes.
Or, you know, if you catch.

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Water.
It has to be a fresh water

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source.
Right, right, right, right.

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OK.
Yeah, you don't.

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It's it's not a desalinator.
It's those are much more

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expensive.
That's.

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Why?
Yeah, that's.

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Do you follow Justin Wren at
all, Alicia?

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No.
The MMA fighter.

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Uh huh.
He spends time with the pygmies

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and what he does is he drills
wells because they don't have

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any.
They don't have a source of

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water.
So he goes over there and they

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actually drill the wells so they
can have water.

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Yeah, that's cool.
Because they were losing like 50

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to 100 people a day from
dehydration at one point.

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Yeah, that's terrible.
And one of the things we've

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noticed.
So we set these up with families

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and then the the way it's
supposed to work is like a

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community system.
Several families can use one

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filter.
But we also made sure the school

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is set up.
So all of the kids at this, at

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this particular school, Levites
Academy, not only do they have

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fresh water at school, we made
sure all of them have a filter

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at home.
So they're getting fresh water

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at home and at school.
And we have seen the results of

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that and absenteeism has
decreased.

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That's cool.
That is really cool.

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So when I hear when I hear that
is just people worry about such

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stupid shit that live here,
right?

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And when you listen to this
message, it's like all these

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people want is a clean glass of
water that makes their entire

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day, right?
Yep, absolutely.

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Just a difference in the way
that they live their day and the

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things that we find disturbing
in our day, right?

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Absolutely.
And then on top of on top of the

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water project, we also typically
do a clinic everywhere we go.

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So we take a couple nurses,
doctors and then set up.

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Set up a clinic.
How many times have you done

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this?
Oh, I've done it a lot.

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I mean, I've been all over the
world.

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I was previously with another
organization and I was in

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Ukraine during the war,
Guatemala.

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I mean, I've been all over the
place.

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We are, we are planning Malawi
as well as Niger this year and

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then we have someone in Zimbabwe
right now.

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Wow, so so this program again is
what out of that say it?

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Veterans without orders.
OK, Veterans orders.

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That's a lot of things.
Yeah, the out-of-the-box 1 was

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the local stuff.
Yes, yes.

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The box out project.
Yep.

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So Veterans Without Orders was
started about a decade ago.

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A really good friend of mine,
John Nanomaker, he was a

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Lieutenant Colonel, Colonel in
the army.

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And he started it a long time
ago and did things here and

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there.
And it wasn't until he retired

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that he was like, OK, I can put
more energy into this.

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At that point, we had both been
working together at another NGO.

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And when I left there, he was
like, all right, let's, let's

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blow this thing up.
And I was like, yes, let's do

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it.
So he's, his background is in

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civil affairs, which is the
humanitarian branch of the army.

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So he's got a lot of those of
that background and connection.

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And then with my background and
planning and security.

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And we just, we put kind of a, a
rock star team together.

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He did, he put this team
together.

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We have a board that's amazing
and all we want to do.

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We're we're an all volunteer
staff.

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So we don't get paid.
Every penny that we get goes to

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these operations and we just
want to get out there and make

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an impact.
When you guys go over there, do

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you have to, do they ask you to
come over or do you have to work

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that out with the government
before you go there?

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Because I know a lot of those
places are controlled by

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warlords, right?
There really is no government.

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Right, the answer is yes.
So sometimes we do get a

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request, like most recently we
got a request from Nazier to go

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do some training.
So we can use that request to

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then submit everything we need
to to the different government

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entities.
But if there's a place that we

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want to go and we have a
contact, we can ask them to

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request us, but we're always
going at the request of

456
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,680
somebody.
OK, nice.

457
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:21,200
So does that provide, what level
of safety does that provide

458
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,800
while you're there?
Because I don't think people

459
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,880
understand how dangerous these
places are, right?

460
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,840
It's not like you're going to a
place that's got a 711 on every

461
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,960
corner and right, you know,
they're run by some pretty nasty

462
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,560
people, most of them.
Yeah, I mean, it really depends,

463
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,520
right.
Like we, one of the things I do

464
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:42,280
from the security side of it as
we're planning is character map.

465
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:47,240
So we look at who are the good
characters and bad actors,

466
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,840
right?
And then what are our chances of

467
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,960
encountering them and our
chances of having a problem with

468
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,160
them.
And then once we get all of that

469
00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:01,680
together, we also do a risk
analysis and everything's green,

470
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,760
yellow or red, right?
You're either risk is in the

471
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:09,640
middle or if you, I'll be
honest, I mean with my previous

472
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,520
organization when we did Ukraine
and when we were looking at Gaza

473
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,520
even you're looking at a whole
lot of red.

474
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,000
And then the organization and
the board needs to decide are we

475
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,720
willing to take this risk?
And then the individual

476
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,640
deployers have to decide, am I
willing to take this risk?

477
00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:33,320
So how many take the risk?
I think that there's a group of

478
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,760
US that are like, I'll go
wherever, and then I think

479
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,560
there's a group that's like I'll
go to Guatemala.

480
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,080
Right.
But I'm not going somewhere

481
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,000
where there's missiles flying
overhead.

482
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,680
Where do you fall in that group?
She just goes.

483
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,960
I was going to say she just
goes.

484
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,440
Yeah, I and actually, yeah.
I mean, in Ukraine, I mean, I

485
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,800
didn't tell my kids, but we had
missiles and drones flying

486
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,000
overhead.
I didn't tell them that because

487
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,040
I didn't want them freaking out.
Sure, of course.

488
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:05,960
We our whole.
Our whole hotel would shake

489
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,200
because missiles would hit.
Oh my God.

490
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:09,960
OK, so let.
So that's the.

491
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,160
Hotel.
It didn't hit the hotel.

492
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,480
Well, yeah, but this is one of
those things why I wanted you to

493
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,920
come on the show, because you
have.

494
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,160
You have real world experience
inside the chaos umbrella.

495
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,520
So.
So talk about what?

496
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,040
Yeah.
And I'm sure you can figure

497
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,080
this.
I'm sure you can pull this out

498
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,320
of your brain.
Talk about one of the most

499
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,880
chaotic environments you've been
in and how you felt as just a

500
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,840
civilian watching all that
unfold.

501
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:35,560
Good one.
Good one, huh, That?

502
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,800
Is a great question so.
I would say there were a couple

503
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:46,000
of times when I was in Ukraine
that missiles hit very close and

504
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,080
one in particular was earlier in
the war.

505
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:55,800
So it was still kind of a newer
thing and it hit way EI mean it

506
00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,120
hit in La Vie, which were now on
the Polish border basically

507
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,640
right.
We're very close to Poland and

508
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,480
just seeing the chaos
surrounding that.

509
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,800
And there were a lot of
humanitarians around and

510
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,640
everybody was just wanting to
help and do something.

511
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:16,520
And, and it was, it was very
interesting to see that

512
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,840
environment.
And then months later, watch a

513
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:26,040
missile hit very close and you
could see women walk faster, but

514
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,040
it didn't really change their
trajectory at all, really.

515
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,400
Like, well, because that became
a way of life.

516
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,000
Right, it's just normal.
Right.

517
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,560
It became normal.
And I was, I was staying in a in

518
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,600
a town where, you know, at least
12 hours a day we didn't have

519
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,720
power because they had power
outages in different parts of

520
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,280
the country during different
parts of the day because the

521
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:53,560
Russia had impacted the, the
energy system, right, right,

522
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,640
right.
So we would go, we would go eat

523
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:02,440
dinner at a restaurant and have
candlelight and they just kept

524
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,800
going.
They kept going.

525
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:09,520
We would walk by luxury stores
and they would still be selling

526
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,120
their products and using
generators, so seeing the

527
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:16,520
resilience was unbelievable.
That's crazy.

528
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,760
So when let's go back to when
the first, the first missile

529
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,000
that hit when you were there and
what was the distance between

530
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,640
where you where it hit and where
you were at?

531
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,000
Do you know?
I mean, we actually went to the

532
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,400
site later.
It wasn't, it wasn't too too

533
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,520
far.
I mean it was probably 5 miles

534
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:36,920
or something.
It wasn't too.

535
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,200
It wasn't too far.
But it wasn't too too close

536
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,680
either.
But So what did you when it hit,

537
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,680
when it struck, whatever it
struck, what did you feel?

538
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,680
I mean, was it loud?
Did you just like tremble was

539
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,680
there, you know, rumbling earth,
you know, give because like,

540
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,520
I've never experienced that.
Mike's not experienced that.

541
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,120
And people that are listening
and watching to us, you know,

542
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,680
most people have not experienced
that in their lifetime.

543
00:28:58,880 --> 00:28:59,680
Yeah.
So.

544
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,680
So kind of give us an idea from
a, from your five senses.

545
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,080
You OK this thing boom blows up
and then and you're feeling

546
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,120
what?
So let me let me tell you about

547
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,960
a a different strike that was
much, much closer.

548
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:18,840
OK, sitting in in our hotel
room, you, you know, you hear

549
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:24,280
the air raid sirens go off, you
hear commotion outside.

550
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,520
And then you don't always hear
the impact.

551
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,720
Sometimes you do.
I mean, I've heard impact.

552
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,400
And I've thought, oh, that was
an outgoing missile.

553
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,720
And it's like, oh, wait, no, it
wasn't.

554
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,720
That was incoming.
So sometimes you hear it,

555
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,600
sometimes you don't.
But then when you're in a hotel

556
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,320
and the whole hotel starts
shaking, you're like, Oh yeah,

557
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,760
that, that was close.
OK, so wow.

558
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,920
OK, so literally the building
shakes but it doesn't crumble.

559
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,840
Right, right, right.
It like like you can feel I it

560
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,680
would.
I guess it would be sort of like

561
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,200
when when you feel an
earthquake.

562
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:00,800
Yeah, feel like an earthquake
for.

563
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,360
Sure.
OK, so so you said sometimes you

564
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,680
hear, sometimes you don't.
So has there ever been one that

565
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,480
that has that has struck
something that was so loud that

566
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,840
it made your ears ring?
No, not.

567
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,080
I've never been that.
Close that my ears were ringing.

568
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,640
Yeah, yeah, OK, cool.
That's what I wanted to get a

569
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,640
dynamic to understand.
And then so you went back to the

570
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,240
impact that you that you
mentioned earlier there was

571
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:23,800
about 5 miles away.
What was the?

572
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:24,640
What was the?
The?

573
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,200
I don't, I don't want to say
crash site, but what was that

574
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,320
like?
So we actually were, it was near

575
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,640
the train station, and this was
a period of time when trains

576
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,320
were also being targeted.
So we weren't allowed to travel

577
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:42,080
via train at that point as like
that was an organizational

578
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:46,360
decision and everything was sort
of blocked off.

579
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,640
Like the police were like, why
are you here?

580
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,720
What do you want?
So they were, yeah, Yeah, it was

581
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,000
very, very, very secured.
Gotcha, gotcha.

582
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,560
And now, so people understand
trains over there, they like the

583
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,160
Amtrak or they like the old
school cartoon trains.

584
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,880
I mean, they're kind of old
school, but they're really cool.

585
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,800
They're like, OK, OK, you know,
you get in and you, you have a

586
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,480
little sleeping area.
So we did.

587
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,480
Later on, when the trains
weren't being being attacked

588
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,720
anymore, we were able to travel
via train.

589
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,920
And we found that was actually
the easiest way to go from one

590
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,080
part of the country to the
other, especially in the winter

591
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,120
when the roads were bad.
Oh.

592
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,360
I can see that.
So we would, we would take the

593
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,680
train.
It was, I think it was like an

594
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,120
18 hour train ride to where we
were going.

595
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,360
It was awesome.
Like we loved it.

596
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,920
We would have our MRE's, we
would cook our MRE's in the

597
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,120
train and eat our MRE in the
train.

598
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,000
The wildest thing happened
though, like, you know, you, you

599
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,480
Sir, you know, you see all this
stuff and you do all this stuff

600
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,080
and you're about to leave the
country to come back home.

601
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:59,040
And I'm, I'm laying there and
all of the sudden I felt like

602
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:05,240
this impact and smelled diesel
or train hit a truck that was

603
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,480
crossing the tracks.
I was like, what?

604
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,800
What are the odds, right?
You're not going to hit by a

605
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,600
missile, but you can run into a
truck, the railroad.

606
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,640
Tracks and they just kept going
right.

607
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,840
So we actually, we came to a
stop and we're like, man, we're

608
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,640
going to be here all day because
we're thinking from the US,

609
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,000
right?
They're going to rope this off.

610
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,360
They're going to do this.
NTSB shows up.

611
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,080
Exactly.
Well, they basically.

612
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:36,680
I I was looking out the the
window and one of the conductors

613
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,480
or whoever came and grabbed a
piece of the train that fell off

614
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,520
during the threw it right by
where I was standing and then we

615
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,680
were on our way again.
I was like, OK, that wasn't the

616
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,760
delay I expected.
That's amazing.

617
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,640
Hey, if you're just joining,
this is Alicia Shields.

618
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,680
She's an amazing human.
That's all kinds of things,

619
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,240
giving back.
She works with veterans.

620
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,480
She works with different
nonprofit organizations.

621
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,760
She's gone all around the world
to help people.

622
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,080
You can find us in this story on
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623
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,320
Chris and Mike Show is the
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624
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,720
those platforms.
So veterans without orders,

625
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,000
we're kind of talking about
that, which is basically a bunch

626
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,560
of volunteers.
You don't make a dime.

627
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,440
Are you all?
And you're obviously all tied

628
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,600
somehow to military, correct?
Because it's veterans without

629
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,560
orders.
For the most part, or first

630
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,200
responders.
OK, OK, so you have you all have

631
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,280
some type of medical military
background.

632
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,720
So when you're going to these
obscure places, you're not

633
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,560
you're not going in like a total
city slicker that doesn't know

634
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,840
what the Hell's going to happen.
And you got to have some type of

635
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,600
skill set in order to be
prepared because obviously, I

636
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,680
mean, have you ever been, have
you ever been like, like

637
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,760
detained, questioned, like
approached, attacked from, from

638
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,360
some of these places you've gone
to as a group, not individually,

639
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,800
but just as a group, Like, hey,
why are you here with guns

640
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,120
drawn?
Like, you know we're going to

641
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,680
blow you up if you don't back
up.

642
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,040
No, we've actually been pretty
fortunate.

643
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,480
We we try to definitely go about
things the right way.

644
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,600
We don't just show up uninvited
like we talked.

645
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,239
About earlier, I asked that
question.

646
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because I've listened to a ton

647
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,960
of these stories with people
that do exactly what you do, and

648
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,000
that seems to be the right way
to do it.

649
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:19,679
You mentioned a couple other
things that people would find

650
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,239
interesting.
You usually have contacts there,

651
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,719
right, that have you have a
liaison between yourselves and

652
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,639
the government.
That or the warlords, or whoever

653
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:33,679
the evil doers are, there's a
contact between you and them.

654
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,000
Yeah.
And we also don't like to just

655
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:41,040
send people in blind.
So we will, we try to send at

656
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,760
least a couple people ahead of
time to do a little bit of

657
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:48,400
reconnaissance to find out like
where, where are all of our

658
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,280
resources, what hotel do we want
to stay at, where are the

659
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,199
safest, safest areas to stay.
So that way we're not going in

660
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:58,000
blind.
The guy that I mentioned that's

661
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,960
in Zimbabwe right now, he is,
even though he's distributing

662
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,640
water filters, he is also doing
a little bit of a Recon for a

663
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,640
bigger operation in the future,
OK.

664
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,560
That's awesome.
I think another thing that

665
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,760
people would find interesting is
how do you handle the logistics?

666
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,960
Like, you have to get all this
equipment there, right?

667
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,080
You're doing medical procedures
and administering medicine, and

668
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,560
that's a huge logistical
nightmare to get stuff from here

669
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:28,720
to there, right?
So we like to say that we can

670
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:32,360
like hike into places and, and
do what we need to do.

671
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:37,040
So and and we don't travel with
a huge group.

672
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,000
Like when we went to Uganda, I
think there were like six or six

673
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,200
or seven of us.
So.

674
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:45,520
Yeah, Yeah.
So we can just put put a

675
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,480
backpack on the front and the
back and go into wherever we

676
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,920
need to go.
Now, are there logistical

677
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,240
nightmares?
Absolutely.

678
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,840
We always find a pharmacy
wherever we go so that we can

679
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,880
get whatever meds that we need
sourced locally.

680
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,800
A lot of times that's easier to.
Aren't you actually asked about

681
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,040
being being detained?
Yeah, I forgot about this.

682
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,600
OK, right.
Now dies into that.

683
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:15,000
Cool.
So I got to, I got to Uganda and

684
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,040
I had a ton of medication with
me that had been like donated

685
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,960
and stuff.
And they're like, well, you

686
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,440
didn't apply for this, blah,
blah, blah, whatever it was.

687
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,480
And I was like, well, we didn't
have to do that last time.

688
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,240
And they're like, well, our
rules changed so we need to hold

689
00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:31,840
on to all your stuff.
And I was like, I was like,

690
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,680
listen, I'm not leaving here
without this suitcase.

691
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,200
So I was like, if I, if you have
to lock me in that room with the

692
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,920
suitcase, you can, but you're
not touching this bag.

693
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,440
So we kind of went back and
forth and I, I called one of our

694
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,160
contacts there and I was like,
can you do anything?

695
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,440
He's like, just let them have
it.

696
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,760
And I was like, absolutely not.
So I was like, I can, I, I am

697
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,680
patient.
I can outfit them so.

698
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,640
Right on.
I waited for the next shift and

699
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,320
the next.
Why you're the right person for

700
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,760
the job.
Wow.

701
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,240
The next shift I was like, look,
what, what can I do?

702
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:12,160
Because we don't, we don't do,
we don't do bribes, right?

703
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,040
But I'm like, what can I do to
get this out of this airport?

704
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:21,960
So, so we sat down and had a
great conversation and she's

705
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,320
like, well, do you have any
glasses?

706
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,320
I was like, I don't have any
glasses, but I have Tylenol.

707
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,800
I have this, I have that.
And I kind of went through

708
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,920
everything I had and what it was
for.

709
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,800
And I'm like, look, here's the
bottom line.

710
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:38,360
If you don't let me through with
this, I'm sending this back and

711
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,280
everyone will know that you're
the reason your people didn't

712
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,480
get help.
That's awesome.

713
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,840
And they finally let me go with
all of our stuff.

714
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,560
So right on.
That was smart.

715
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,080
Thing how?
How many, how many hours was

716
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,480
that detainment do you remember?
No, it wasn't.

717
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,280
It wasn't super like I think it
was like 2-3 hours.

718
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,760
So it wasn't super, super long.
I got there at the right time

719
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,600
where I didn't have to wait like
8 hours for the next shift to

720
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,280
come on.
Yeah, Can I, can I just drop

721
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,080
this?
I think you're just like, I know

722
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,920
you, but I don't know you.
I'm learning more about you and

723
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,080
and and you're quite the badass
like.

724
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,840
Fascinating.
And not to be and not like, I

725
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,960
mean, number one, I mean, it's
and I don't, I don't want to

726
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,200
come across here, but you're a
woman, you're in a foreign

727
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,800
country with a suitcase full of
medicine that's going to help

728
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,040
complete strangers that are in
dire need of it.

729
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,560
And you're just like, no, I'm
not moving.

730
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,360
You're not taking this bag.
I'll just sit here for three

731
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,040
hours if I have to.
So like I think if I was in that

732
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,880
situation, I don't I don't think
I would be as calm as I mean, I

733
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,400
could be wrong, but like that's
impressive that you just.

734
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,840
That's why I said she's the
right person for the job because

735
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,280
most people would have just
given that fucking suitcase up

736
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,360
and said I'm out of here because
I want to protect myself, right?

737
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,040
I have a family at home and.
Yeah, but she does.

738
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,240
She's married and has three kids
and she's going.

739
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,240
That's what I'm saying.
Giving of herself a very

740
00:38:57,240 --> 00:39:00,680
selfless human who's helping
other countries get but.

741
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,360
You know, I appreciate that on a
level most people can't

742
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,360
understand because I'm on 10
people, right?

743
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,240
I think that countries are
stupid.

744
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:11,120
I think that allegiances to
flags are stupid.

745
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,200
And I'm like, we're all on this.
We only have this one planet,

746
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:15,520
right?
We all have to live on it

747
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,760
together.
So the fact that there's people

748
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,360
out there doing what you do, I
can't appreciate that enough

749
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,120
because like Chris said, I don't
know if I have not only the

750
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:31,360
mental fortitude to do it, but
you know, just you're proving

751
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,800
that you are willing to go that
extra mile for people that you

752
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,200
don't even know.
That's amazing.

753
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,880
I, I think that our experiences
in life, like my experiences

754
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:47,360
when I was younger, definitely
led me to become the this person

755
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,440
that I have.
It shaped me for sure.

756
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:55,960
I mean, when I I've traveled a
lot since I was young and I

757
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,200
often travel alone.
I I was kidnapped in Paris.

758
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,000
I was mugged in Venezuela.
So like I've had these

759
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:08,640
situations happen.
IA story that Chris, I don't

760
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:13,080
even know if if you know, I had
lost a son years ago.

761
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,200
We were.
Actually kind of kind of you

762
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,840
kind of alluded to that in our
time, but there was you never

763
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,680
shared the story.
And that's not somebody like

764
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,640
tell me the story, Alicia.
Yeah, but I know that, but I

765
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:24,920
don't know the details around
it.

766
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:30,520
So we actually got trapped in
the desert of all places for six

767
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,720
days.
And I almost didn't make it out

768
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,880
either.
It was Death Valley.

769
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,640
OK, OK.
But all of these things like

770
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,920
that's the worst thing that can
happen to someone losing your

771
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,200
child.
And I don't, there's there's

772
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,520
nothing that anybody in any of
these countries can say or do to

773
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,360
me that is going to be worse
than that.

774
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,760
So it's like, what do you, what
do you got for me?

775
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,600
Because I've been through
health.

776
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:58,520
So.
Yeah.

777
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,720
No, I, yeah.
And I I get that for sure, but

778
00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:03,520
that puts.
It into perspective for.

779
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,280
Sure, but you are, I mean,
legitimate what you do and you

780
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,360
voluntarily do it.
It's not like you're getting

781
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,280
paid.
It's not like, I mean, I, I like

782
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,520
to call things life resume.
Like what's your life resume?

783
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,600
Like all the things I've done in
my life that Mike's done and

784
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,440
you've done, It's you, you're
building your life resume.

785
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,920
So when, when you're at the end
of your life, because we're all

786
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,720
terminally ill and you're
sitting there reflecting back on

787
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:25,320
your life, you're going to have
just this epic, this epic

788
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,400
journey that you can sit back
and reflect on, which I think is

789
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,400
fantastic.
So which is leading me to this

790
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,400
question, are you, are you
taking notes?

791
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,320
Are you journaling?
Are you going to put this pen to

792
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,000
paper and release a book at some
point in time that just for all

793
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,400
the things you do?
Because again, you should.

794
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,480
I, I knew about some of this
stuff, but I didn't realize how,

795
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,960
how in depth you are as a human
with all of this volunteering

796
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,680
and giving back and providing
help and, and you know, building

797
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,680
countries so they can survive.
I mean, that's fantastic.

798
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,360
I mean, I do write write some
stuff I journal here and there.

799
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,680
It's probably not as organized
as it should be.

800
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,600
I should probably start putting
it in in one spot instead of 10

801
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,200
different spots.
Or get somebody to help you do

802
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,640
that, because I'll tell you what
I see in you is you're a doer.

803
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,320
You're not a sit down and
reflect on what I've done,

804
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:22,560
right?
You're thinking about what am I

805
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,600
going to do next?
You're you probably have a five

806
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,520
year plan, a 10 year plan and a
tomorrow plan, right?

807
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,680
So you're always doing it.
If you get a ghost writer or

808
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,480
somebody that can help you
organize those thoughts, I love

809
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,920
stories like yours.
I've listened to literally

810
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,240
thousands of hours of podcasts
with people just like you, which

811
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:44,720
is what inspired me to want to
do this with Chris is just what

812
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:48,960
he said. him and I have done
things that most people haven't,

813
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,760
and you've taken that to a whole
nother level in that you spread

814
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,040
it out to the world, right?
You've been to places that most

815
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,360
people, some of them they
haven't even heard of, right?

816
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,960
Let alone know where they're at.
If we just, if we tell.

817
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:03,480
Us.
That's fine.

818
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,320
That's true though.
That's amazing.

819
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,360
So, OK, so we've talked about
veterans without orders.

820
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,680
What's what's, how do you guys
raise the money?

821
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,040
Because obviously you must be
nonprofit, right?

822
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,840
It is.
We are a nonprofit and we are

823
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,960
completely donor funded.
Veterans Without orders.org if

824
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,680
anyone feels so compelled.
We'll include a link when we

825
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,120
reduce the show for sure.
And, and one of the things that

826
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,280
I've I've brought to the
organization because of my

827
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,840
mental health.
Sure, passion.

828
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,080
We really wanna start make.
Okay, first of all, let me back

829
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,400
up.
Every or every operation that we

830
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,280
do is named after a fallen
service member.

831
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,720
That's.
Cool, that's really cool.

832
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,480
And the coolest thing we do
before the operation, we

833
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,560
actually do an honor call with
that fallen service members

834
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:01,920
family.
Fantastic.

835
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:07,160
And we learn about them what
what made them tick, what drove

836
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,160
them crazy, what was their
personality like.

837
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,560
In their That's really cool.
And it's so cool because when

838
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,320
we're on the operation, like
little things will happen and

839
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:21,760
we'll be like, that was that was
so and so, so, and then

840
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,480
afterwards we'll, you know,
we'll follow up with the family

841
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,360
and say, Hey, these, these
things happen.

842
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:32,160
We think it was your loved one,
but we also affix stickers with

843
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,360
their name on it.
So like in Uganda, it was the

844
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,760
Staff Sergeant Kendall Ivy
project.

845
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,720
So all of the buckets that we
gave out have his sticker on

846
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:43,840
him.
Nice.

847
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,280
So it's really cool.
That's beautiful.

848
00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:51,880
So with all that said, we want
to really integrate mental

849
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:56,040
health into these operations, so
it's not just taking random

850
00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:01,920
people to go give clean water.
That's important, but let's take

851
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,960
some veterans that lost their
sense of service and purpose

852
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,280
when they left the military and
work through a PTSD program.

853
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,680
And at the end of that program,
the final thing they do is go do

854
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,800
humanitarian work and serve
again and give back again.

855
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,960
That was actually going to be my
first question about this side

856
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,480
of it.
What is that the top problem

857
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,480
that you see when people come to
you on this side of it for help

858
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,120
is that they just no longer have
a sense of being and I don't

859
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,280
know what to do with my life and
or is it the PTSD side or both?

860
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,680
Or what's the top problem that
these people come to you with

861
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,280
that are no longer in the
military?

862
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,800
It just can't seem to function.
Yeah.

863
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,920
So having worked with, and this
is I'm, I'm not Speaking of the

864
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,320
VWO volunteers in at all.
I'm Speaking of all the

865
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,800
volunteers that I've worked or
if they're all the veterans I've

866
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,560
worked with.
So you got a couple things.

867
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,520
You got one that sense of loss
of purpose, right They were

868
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:02,240
doing.
Amazing.

869
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:04,240
Yeah.
I was gonna ask.

870
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:05,160
So when?
OK, so go.

871
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:06,520
I would sort of.
I just wanted to make sure you

872
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,280
explain that because not
everybody's gonna understand

873
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,400
what you're saying.
So continue, please.

874
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,160
Sorry for.
Yeah, so they were doing, doing

875
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,560
amazing things, protecting their
country, protecting other people

876
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,440
in other countries, serving
people in other countries.

877
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,480
And then you get back and all
the sudden it's like, boom,

878
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,400
figure out your life, you're on
your own.

879
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:26,920
And it's like, what do I do from
here?

880
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:32,120
So that sense of, of loss, PTSD,
like you mentioned, that's

881
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,400
that's huge.
I mean, people, people that

882
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:40,040
served with my dad, and this was
in the 80s, they're still waking

883
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:40,920
up with nightmares.
Oh.

884
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,400
Yeah.
So it it's like it just, it

885
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,520
doesn't go away.
And how do you cope with that

886
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,920
and how do you deal with that?
And then there's also another

887
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,200
group and I've encountered
patients like this.

888
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:59,560
As a matter of fact, you went
from carrying a gun and killing

889
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:04,880
people with no repercussions to
now you can't even yell at

890
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,720
someone that makes you mad,
right?

891
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:11,520
So, so it's a huge like that
power you.

892
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,520
That really puts it into a
visual, right?

893
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,200
Yeah, I mean, they had the power
to take someone's life, right?

894
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:20,760
And now they have they have no
power.

895
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,200
Or just like you said, like an
officer that was used to

896
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,360
screaming at an entire platoon
all the time is now in an office

897
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,880
setting or something and he's
trying to do the same thing, or

898
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,200
even a factory or whatever.
Yeah, I never thought of.

899
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:35,720
I never thought of that.
That's a that's.

900
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:41,360
A Well, I've heard those stories
inside a job that I've had.

901
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,400
We'll just leave that open.
But yeah, you know, that guy

902
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,320
used to be in the military, so
you better watch him because,

903
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,560
you know, he's carried that side
of it into civilian life.

904
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,760
And people who were never in the
military don't know how to react

905
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,360
to that.
And all of a sudden he's in HR

906
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,000
and he doesn't understand what
happened.

907
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,320
And that's a very great point to
put it into perspective for

908
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,480
people who are listening, these
people trying to reintegrate

909
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:09,800
back into civilian life for 10
years, 15 years even, you know,

910
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,920
a four year stint or whatever.
That's a long time to do the

911
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:17,960
same thing over and over again.
And and that's go ahead, Chris.

912
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,400
One of the one of the things I
love about VWO is we're not

913
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,160
suiting time.
I mean, I'm wearing our shirt

914
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:26,200
right now.
This is.

915
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,920
This is what we go out in.
I mean, we're not, we're not all

916
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,560
dressed up.
We don't get fancy.

917
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,960
We go out there to get dirty
and.

918
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,400
I love that.
And we, we are, we are

919
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,200
professional when we're in front
of of people, right?

920
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:48,080
But it's, it's not always,
sometimes the language that when

921
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,280
our group gets together may
offend people that haven't been

922
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,560
first responders or in the
military, or sometimes the

923
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,280
conversation may people might
not like it.

924
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:01,400
It's not, it's not, you know, so
that's why we, we, we recruit a

925
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,040
very specific group of people
and they need to know like

926
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:10,640
we're, we're not what you may
expect and we may not be your

927
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:11,680
cup of tea.
And that's OK.

928
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,600
Yeah, yeah, because you're there
to do one thing, and that is to

929
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,760
provide aid and whatever however
that looks like, because it's

930
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,800
different everywhere you go.
But your sole purpose is to give

931
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,960
back and establish something.
So then you can move on to the

932
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,360
next.
The next, I don't want to say

933
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,520
adventure, but the next you.
Know yeah, the next operation

934
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:31,880
so.
What I what I was going to jump

935
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,040
in a minute ago.
You're talking about veterans

936
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,960
and how when they come out, so
Jake is Jake's a Marine.

937
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:42,160
You knew that, right?
So he's gone back and forth a

938
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,920
lot about re enlisting or
getting out, releasing, getting

939
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,840
out type of things.
So, so as of late, he's, he's

940
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,720
back on the thing while I'm
going to re enlist for, for

941
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:52,400
another four years, which gets
him the 12.

942
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,240
And then he's like, you know,
might as well just stay for the

943
00:49:54,240 --> 00:50:00,320
other 8 and hit the 20.
So from a father's standpoint,

944
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:01,600
right?
And because my son's a marine,

945
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,640
because I could never get the
military because the asthma, I

946
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,120
tried 3 branches.
They all said no.

947
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,440
So once, you know, when Jake
realized he right.

948
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:12,120
So I, you know, the, the, the
pride is just leaks out when I,

949
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,000
you know what I mean.
And when I introduce Jake, you

950
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,280
know, I'll drop, you know, this
is Sergeant Dunham and he's like

951
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,080
stop dad, because he doesn't
like that, right?

952
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:22,760
He's he's a very humble Marine,
like you wouldn't you know, he

953
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,960
doesn't, he doesn't like to tell
Lowe's, Hey, I'm a Marine.

954
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,720
I wanted my discount.
You know, he just doesn't do any

955
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:30,080
of that.
So I didn't realize it, but in

956
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,600
in talking with Nikki the other
day after Jake and I had this

957
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,480
long conversation at night, like
10:00, he starts texting me like

958
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:36,720
he does.
And then so we're talking about

959
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:40,720
all this and he wants to go back
and to, to the depot and, and,

960
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,600
you know, go through drill
instructor school again and all

961
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,080
that kind of jazz.
And Nikki being the mom, she's,

962
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,080
she has the vantage point that I
don't have because I'm the dad,

963
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:52,320
right?
And we know mothers are

964
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,880
different than fathers, right?
Because of the I would hope so.

965
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:57,760
Right.
Well, because Jake's Jake's kind

966
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:03,000
of a mama's boy, right?
So her so, so when I was right,

967
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,160
so when I was sharing this with
Nikki, she, she just, she got

968
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,120
like irritated.
She was like, well, that's, you

969
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:09,200
know, how, you know, that's
right for him.

970
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:10,960
I was like, I don't know what's
right for him, but I, he needs

971
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,680
to make his own choice.
And her fear is kind of what

972
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,840
you're talking about, which I
didn't get until you just

973
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,400
started describing it.
The fact that he's going to go

974
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,160
from being this this dude that
had when he's 18 years old, he

975
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,600
had $1,000,000 credit card at
his disposal because he's

976
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,400
accounting supply and logistics,
right And then when he hit.

977
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,000
Podcast it's great too.
If people want to go listen.

978
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,320
It was.
Episode 9.

979
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,120
I think he talked about that.
Right.

980
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,640
And he actually talked about in
our text exchange about how

981
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,280
going from a completely
structured, secured lifestyle,

982
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,760
he doesn't know what the real
world's going to be like to him

983
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,880
now because he has had that
structure.

984
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,320
Now see, he's been in long
enough.

985
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,640
He sees that fear, right?
Right.

986
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,520
So, but that's what I got to do
exactly.

987
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,360
And I wasn't, I wasn't thinking
of that in my conversation with

988
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,520
him because why would I?
And then when Nikki spun it and

989
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,320
like, legit, she was, I thought
she was mad.

990
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:04,920
And I'm like, it's not my fault.
I'm not.

991
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,280
She's like, no, no, no.
I'm just, you know.

992
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,480
But you know what I think is
important for your not to

993
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,520
interrupt you, but you know,
what I think is important for

994
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:16,960
people to hear in your message
is it's that's where the father

995
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,040
and mother, the true dynamic of
that is important.

996
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,600
Because when I was going to move
to Arizona, my mom was doing the

997
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,240
same thing.
She was freaking out being a

998
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:26,880
mother.
No, you're not going, you're

999
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,360
going to stay right here where I
can keep.

1000
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,680
And my dad was like, he's an
adult.

1001
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:34,480
You got to, you know, somebody
needs to be that voice of reason

1002
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,600
of we've done the best we can
and it's time for him to make

1003
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,560
his own decision, right?
Right.

1004
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,920
I think Nikki's fear is.
That's important.

1005
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:47,040
Yeah, Nikki's fears he if he if
he stays 20 years, then where is

1006
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,040
he when it comes out?
He'll be 38 years old.

1007
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,440
So she's fearful of, of
occupation, things like that.

1008
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,440
And I'm like, well, he's going
to why he's still in there.

1009
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,520
He's planning on finishing
school and stuff like that.

1010
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,440
Jake doesn't like school, so
he'll take a class and then his

1011
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,600
mindset changes because he just
doesn't like school.

1012
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,560
I appreciate that, right?
I like to learn when I want to

1013
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,400
learn when I want to learn it.
Right.

1014
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,360
But I can see the dynamic that
Alicia shared is like, OK, so

1015
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,760
here's here's let's say Jake
stays for 12 years.

1016
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,960
He gets out when he's at the end
of his 12 years, it's like what

1017
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,840
kind of what kind of benefits
does the military give him as

1018
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,520
far as pension and medical,
right?

1019
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,680
I mean, he's going to have
access to the VA for the rest of

1020
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,080
his life.
But we all know what a fiasco

1021
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,200
the VA can be, right?
I'm sure you see that with

1022
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,120
Patrick on a personal level,
Alicia, as well as what you do.

1023
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,600
But I wasn't look at it from
this, from that standpoint,

1024
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,120
because I'm like, I'm like,
well, if, if he goes for 20

1025
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,520
years, that's a career.
So you, you, you finish your

1026
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,640
career, you get your pension,
you get your military and your

1027
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,560
medical benefits.
And then you haven't, you're

1028
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,480
only 30 years old.
So guarantee income, right?

1029
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:53,320
And I have a client that that
actually his father did the

1030
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,680
exact same thing Jake's doing.
He got in the military in, in

1031
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,200
the 60s.
He was accounting, supply and

1032
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,680
logistics, spent 20 years doing
that, got out, got a job at the

1033
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,320
city of Phoenix doing the exact
same thing within the last three

1034
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:04,760
years, retired from the city of
Phoenix.

1035
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,000
So he had double pensions,
double mail, you know, blah,

1036
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,120
blah, blah, blah.
But Nikki's concern is just

1037
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,840
that, like, where's is there
pensions still available in the

1038
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,760
military for 20 years?
What's the medical like?

1039
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,600
And when he gets out at 38, is
he going to have that concert,

1040
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,760
that issue that you just
described, Alicia, which is

1041
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,840
like, oh, here I am.
I'm in control of this entire,

1042
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,680
you know, what is it right now
he's doing reservist.

1043
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,000
So when the reservist comes come
into Pendleton, he handles all

1044
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,000
of it like he handles all the
supplies and stuff.

1045
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,960
So it's, you know, it's a big,
it's a big job and he's

1046
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,560
structured and he doesn't have
to pay for room and board and

1047
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,080
he's got his own place to live.
He's, you know, it's all those

1048
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,600
things that are tied into being
a service member.

1049
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,720
And then when you get out now
what?

1050
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:51,320
Which I never thought of because
again, I couldn't, I couldn't

1051
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,280
get in.
But that just that struck me,

1052
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,360
which is why I wanted to kind of
back up and talk about that

1053
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,440
because it's it's, it's a real
thing, obviously, because you

1054
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,080
brought it up and, and Nikki's
concerns are validated now, so

1055
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:06,160
I'll let her know that.
But he just, I didn't think

1056
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,400
about it because you always
think PTSD when you get out of

1057
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:09,720
the military.
OK, they did some, they did

1058
00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:11,640
some.
And everybody ties PTSD to

1059
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,960
active service in, in, in a, in
a, in a chaotic environment.

1060
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,240
But that's not always
necessarily true, right?

1061
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:21,720
You can get PSD because a drill
Sergeant lights you up and

1062
00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:23,680
scares the bejesus out of you.
You don't have to react.

1063
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,320
And all of a sudden you're
having nightmares for the rest

1064
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,560
of your life because this dude
was this close to you, you know,

1065
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,920
just shredding you.
So there's all forms of PTSD,

1066
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,880
not just that's just combat
zones.

1067
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,120
I think that no matter when
somebody gets out of the

1068
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,360
military and it doesn't matter
if they served for four years or

1069
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,040
or 20 years, there's, there's
grief.

1070
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,960
You, you go through the stages
of grief when you get out and

1071
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,600
part of it.
I have known people that hated

1072
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:57,200
their time in the military but
miss aspects of it because the

1073
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:02,360
the camaraderie.
I mean, there is relationships

1074
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,240
are formed in the military that
people don't understand.

1075
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:10,920
And, and the, the closest I can,
I can liken this to when you've

1076
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:17,760
done CPR on a patient, you have
a different relationship, I

1077
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,520
guess, as a group then, like
those of us that work together

1078
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,840
during COVID and we were
intubating patients left and

1079
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:29,200
right and we're, we're working,
you know, 70 hours a week or

1080
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,280
ridiculous hours.
We have an understanding that

1081
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:37,680
when we try to talk to people
outside of our that did that,

1082
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,200
they don't get it.
No.

1083
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,680
Well, that's kind of what him
and I describe of being in a

1084
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,880
band together.
You know, it's nobody's ever

1085
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,960
going to know what it's like to
go up and stand in front of

1086
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,280
hundreds or thousands of people
with three other guys and think

1087
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:55,320
that, you know, you're all that.
And it the only reason it works

1088
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,920
is because the four of us have a
hive mindset, right?

1089
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,640
It's the same concept, just in a
different environment.

1090
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,480
There's certain things that
you're going to do in your life

1091
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,280
that the only other people that
understand it are those that

1092
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:13,040
experienced it with you, right?
Can't explain that to anyone.

1093
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:15,720
For sure.
And and that's the same, I think

1094
00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:17,480
it's the same with sports too,
that you're alluding to, because

1095
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,680
when you absolutely like Jake
played high school football and

1096
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,840
you have that bond with those,
with those kids that he played

1097
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:23,920
football with for the rest of
his life.

1098
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:25,840
It's the same hive mindset of a
team.

1099
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,040
Right, when you win
championships, when you do

1100
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,760
whatever you have that you, you,
there's that bond.

1101
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,760
It's same like with the Marines.
Once a Marine, always a Marine,

1102
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,920
right?
And you're the Marines, you

1103
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,160
know, the Marines are the ones
that kind of you look down on

1104
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,880
all the other branches because
they're Marines like they're,

1105
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,120
you know, they're going in
before anybody.

1106
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,600
It's, it's, it's one of the
things that that Jake shared

1107
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,000
with us when he got out of boot
camp when he graduated, it was

1108
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:53,360
is you're a Marine first period.
Your job is to go out and kill.

1109
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,840
That's it.
That's there's no other way to

1110
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,400
sugarcoat it.
So even though he wasn't, he's

1111
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,120
not infantry.
That's not his MOS.

1112
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,000
He still had to go to the
infantry school because you're a

1113
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,800
killer 1st.
And that's what you talked about

1114
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,320
earlier.
Alicia, you, you, you in the

1115
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,640
military like Chris Kyle, the
American Sniper, right?

1116
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,160
I mean, the dude legit one of
the greatest, you know, military

1117
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,160
snipers ever to walk this face
to earth.

1118
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,360
And you made a really, really
valid point that's stuck with

1119
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,280
me.
Like you get a pat on the back

1120
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,320
for taking somebody's life, and
then you're going in in in QT

1121
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,480
and your car doesn't work
because the machine's broken and

1122
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,160
you start yelling at the clerk
behind the counter.

1123
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,920
You're in trouble.
Like, but wait a minute.

1124
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,080
Or smashing a gas pump.
Or Yeah.

1125
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,800
Right.
But wait a minute.

1126
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,680
Look what I did for this world.
Look what I I protected you.

1127
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:41,280
Now I'm up.
They.

1128
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,080
Told me to actually blow the
button.

1129
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:45,840
They actually told me to blow
another human being's head off.

1130
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,200
And that's what I did, right?
I mean, that became happenstance

1131
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,560
for him.
To her point earlier, that

1132
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:55,480
became normal life for that.
You know, snipers, their job is

1133
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,480
to shoot people that could never
see them, right?

1134
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,240
And they take pride in that.
Yeah, but that.

1135
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,440
How do you reintegrate back into
civilian life when that was your

1136
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,520
job for the last four years,
eight years, 10 years, 12 years?

1137
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,880
Come on.
Well, and I think that's where

1138
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,600
it's so important if you're
thinking about getting out and,

1139
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,960
and like for Jake especially,
have a plan.

1140
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:20,760
Who are you going to volunteer
with?

1141
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,720
Where, where are you going to
get that camaraderie that you,

1142
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,080
you got when you were in?
And that's, you know, when we,

1143
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:32,080
when we go out onto these
humanitarian operations, it's

1144
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:37,920
that same kind of camaraderie
and the, the, the guys and women

1145
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,680
that go are like, Oh my gosh,
it's just like I was back in the

1146
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,720
military.
Like they get that sense of that

1147
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,120
feeling again.
So it's really good for them.

1148
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,560
And that's where if we can
incorporate the mental health

1149
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:56,520
into it, then they can come out
of the operation an even better

1150
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:00,000
person than when they started
the the process.

1151
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,240
So along those lines, that's a
great segue into a thought I

1152
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,400
just had because you're in the
medical field as well.

1153
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,560
What are your thoughts on?
Because I've listened to a lot

1154
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:15,880
of shows on this too, like
psychedelics, MDMA, therapy.

1155
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:18,880
Thumbs.
Up for the people who are just

1156
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,760
listening, I got 2 thumbs up on
that one.

1157
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:23,520
OK.
So kind of kind of talk to me

1158
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:28,760
about that because I know it
from a recreational user for,

1159
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,080
you know, a couple times
allegedly.

1160
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,520
Yeah, so.
How did they do do that and what

1161
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,440
are your thoughts on it?
Yeah, I think there's a lot of

1162
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,160
benefits.
So ketamine therapy is really

1163
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,520
big right now.
I fully plan on doing ketamine

1164
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,120
therapy when I am done with
school.

1165
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,800
OK, so so explain, explain to
people what ketamine?

1166
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,760
Thesa because kind of not
everybody's going to as you go

1167
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,080
through this explaining things
because yeah, I'm not even

1168
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:52,880
familiar with that.
Yeah, you're.

1169
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:57,000
Good Ketamine is a a medication.
People say it's the horse

1170
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:01,520
tranquilizer.
It can be used during certain,

1171
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,520
certain procedures.
It can be used to kind of make

1172
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:08,320
you forget things or or not so
much forget things, but be

1173
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,160
really calm and relaxed during
certain procedures.

1174
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:17,400
If somebody is very, very
anxious, we could give them give

1175
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,200
them some ketamine.
If they're in a lot of pain, we

1176
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,560
can give them ketamine.
There's a lot of reasons you can

1177
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:28,760
use it, but it also there's
ketamine therapy where you take

1178
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:33,080
ketamine and it kind of gets you
into this spot mentally and then

1179
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:37,200
you can access parts of your
memory that that maybe you've

1180
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,200
you've blocked off.
So if you're doing therapy and

1181
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,080
the other the other all the
other drugs work like this as

1182
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:48,160
well.
And if you're, if you're doing

1183
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,160
it under control, a controlled
situation and have somebody

1184
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,760
trained who's walking you
through it, you can really

1185
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,760
unlock some things that you
experienced and haven't

1186
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,480
processed and be able to process
those things.

1187
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,280
OK.
With Academy and therapy, what

1188
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:07,000
kind of time frame that's that
road you're going down there?

1189
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,600
What kind of time frame are you
talking?

1190
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,960
Because I know they like to use
the term micro dosing, right.

1191
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,160
So for the people that are
listening, they're they're not

1192
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,080
taking people in and just like
shooting them up with a bunch of

1193
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:19,480
drugs and getting them super
high.

1194
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:24,160
And you're talking, is that what
you're talking about is like the

1195
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,400
micro dosing part of it where
they're doing it a little bit at

1196
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,120
a time for an extended period of
time?

1197
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:31,040
Yes, yeah, OK.
Yeah.

1198
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:32,720
And then you would, you know,
you come at it.

1199
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:34,640
It's just it's another form of
therapy.

1200
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:38,080
So just think about therapy.
You don't just go once and then

1201
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,840
you're done.
You keep, you keep coming back

1202
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,440
and you keep working, working
through those issues.

1203
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:49,960
There's I actually have a, a
friend he serves with veterans

1204
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,880
without orders.
Also, he was a Marine, OK, He he

1205
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,040
did one of the ayahuasca
retreats.

1206
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:57,880
Awesome.
OK, I'm familiar.

1207
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,640
With those as well, he said.
I mean, life changing, yeah.

1208
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,920
So.
I used mushrooms for the same

1209
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:06,440
thing twice in my life.
So I reset my brain 2 times

1210
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:12,240
about 7 years apart.
OK, And I went into it with an

1211
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,800
intention.
You know I'm going to fix these

1212
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:18,360
problems, right?
OK, so for those, those of us,

1213
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:24,640
those of us that don't know what
is an IO, why'd you say iOS?

1214
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,280
Ayahuasca.
Ayahuasca.

1215
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:33,000
No idea what that is.
It's another psychedelic.

1216
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,880
OK, so are you familiar with it?
I'm not.

1217
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:45,000
OK, so ayahuasca is an actual
drink that the shaman make.

1218
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:50,240
It was invented in South
America, Brazil if I remember

1219
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,800
right, but definitely in South
America.

1220
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:57,760
They figured out a way to
extract DMT, which is

1221
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,560
dimethyltryptamine.
Your brain produces that.

1222
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,520
They think that's a lot of what
happens when you dream, right?

1223
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,200
Your brain dumps all these
chemicals into your body.

1224
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,880
Some of them keep you still, but
some of them they're pretty sure

1225
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,800
enter you into the dream state
and DMT would be one of them.

1226
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:18,200
The shaman figured out how to
make a drink out of this and

1227
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:21,640
make that DMT experience, which
is very short when taken by

1228
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:22,960
itself.
I've done that too.

1229
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:27,000
It lasts like somewhere around
20 minutes, 10 minutes, 20

1230
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,320
minutes, but it's super intense.
Like you leave reality.

1231
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:32,600
I'm staring at you guys right
now.

1232
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:36,440
And if I had done some DMT in a
couple minutes, all the sudden

1233
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,880
all this would fade away and I
would be in a different

1234
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,120
universe, right?
That also resets your brain.

1235
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:46,080
It's super cool if done right
and under the right

1236
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,280
circumstances.
And all these things Chris likes

1237
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:52,680
to say, and I like to pair it,
we're not advocating drug use.

1238
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:58,800
We're advocating positive drugs
under controlled environments,

1239
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,840
right?
But ayahuasca will change your

1240
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,120
life.
So if you're a smoker, if you're

1241
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:10,000
a horrible drug user, like
addicted to opiates, these are

1242
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,560
things that this is a drug that
will actually reset your brain,

1243
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,160
just like any psychedelic will
if done in the right

1244
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:19,240
circumstances.
You can come out the other side

1245
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,040
a different person.
That's crazy.

1246
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:25,120
The nice mellow human being that
you know me to be today doesn't

1247
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:29,200
want to do mean by people when I
used to be closer to the person

1248
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,760
she described, where it would be
more like barking orders at

1249
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,560
people.
That changed after those two

1250
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,680
experiences.
That's how interesting reset the

1251
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:39,480
way I thought about the world.
Yeah.

1252
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,800
So with your mental health that
you're that you're pursuing now

1253
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:45,840
that that degree in that when
you go to places like Uganda,

1254
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:49,560
OK, and you're, you're
establishing, you know, water,

1255
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,840
whatever, are you going to
instill that as part of what

1256
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:54,680
you're doing?
Yes.

1257
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:58,160
So I've actually had had two
countries so far.

1258
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:05,280
People from two countries.
I know many have asked me to

1259
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:07,920
help them in implement a mental
health program.

1260
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:13,640
So as you can imagine, medical
in a lot of places is difficult.

1261
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,800
Now think about mental health
here, it's hard to get access.

1262
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,360
So now go to a third world
country.

1263
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:22,280
How hard is it there?
So kind of what our plan is and

1264
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,320
we are, I'm, I'm working on
building this program and I'm

1265
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:29,120
hoping to start it in Uganda and
then like Lake Guatemala next.

1266
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,680
So see how you said Uganda out
of nowhere?

1267
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:39,520
We're going to build a well, I
already have like a shell

1268
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:46,120
program where we can teach
anybody some basic mental health

1269
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,280
skills, almost like mental
health first aid.

1270
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,040
OK.
And then we're going to take

1271
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:56,320
community members and teach them
to become peer counselors.

1272
01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:00,480
All right on.
So that way they have somebody,

1273
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,600
granted it's not a therapist,
they're not going to get

1274
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:06,200
medication, but they have a peer
counselor that has basic skills

1275
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,720
that can walk them through
certain situations, right?

1276
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,000
And we know with lots of people,
they just need to talk through

1277
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,160
the problem.
They need to talk through the

1278
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,360
trauma, talk through the chaos,
purge and get out of their

1279
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:18,400
system, work through it from a
verbal standpoint with somebody

1280
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,360
that you can trust that's not
going to go down the street.

1281
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:24,120
Oh, Chris is a whack A mole
because you have that trust and

1282
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:27,960
you're helping them get through
that, that trauma that they hold

1283
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,400
and carry.
That's brilliant, Alicia.

1284
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:34,760
So the we've kind of, we've made
like a shell program because you

1285
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,040
can't do A1 size fits all
because the cultures are so

1286
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:40,040
different.
So we have like a shell program

1287
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:44,240
that we will change and tweak
based on the culture we're going

1288
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:45,360
to.
OK.

1289
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,640
So obviously, so that's the
importance of understanding the

1290
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,960
culture walking into which goes
back to how you do all the

1291
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,280
planning of actually getting
into the the country that you're

1292
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,080
going to.
So that's part of your research

1293
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:58,160
obviously now.
Yeah.

1294
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,480
Do you speak?
Do you speak multiple languages?

1295
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:02,640
You just pulled that right out
of my head.

1296
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:06,640
Like do you have AI?
Was going to say, do you have a

1297
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:08,640
translator?
Do you speak multiple languages?

1298
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,240
We actually we do.
We do have translators when we

1299
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:14,520
go places, interpreters, But I
do, I mean, I speak Spanish.

1300
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:20,399
I've, I've spoken Spanish since
I was young and then when I was

1301
01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:23,520
over in Ukraine and Poland, I
spent so much time over there.

1302
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:27,120
I actually got a Polish tutor
and so I do speak some Polish

1303
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:30,359
now and then.
I love languages so everywhere I

1304
01:08:30,359 --> 01:08:33,840
go I at least pick up the basics
and learn how to introduce

1305
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:35,880
myself and ask people how
they're doing.

1306
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:38,479
I love them too, but I'm
horrible at all of them.

1307
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:42,960
Yeah, I'm, I'm on, I'm on day
670 on Duolingo learning

1308
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:43,399
Spanish.
He's.

1309
01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:46,399
Doing good with Spanish.
Manamo crystal ball, don't be a

1310
01:08:46,399 --> 01:08:50,680
star, don't be a * El Bano.
I mean, I did a whole better

1311
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:52,640
than that, but you.
Did a whole paragraph on one of

1312
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:53,279
the.
Podcasts.

1313
01:08:53,399 --> 01:08:54,680
Yeah, I did.
It was great.

1314
01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:57,520
Yeah, that's.
The I said Ola and he rattled

1315
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,520
off a whole paragraph and I'm
like, that's the best I can do.

1316
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,760
So, Miguel.
Miguel.

1317
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:06,399
Hey, if you're just joining us,
this is the Chris and Mike.

1318
01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:08,800
Sure, you can find us on
Instagram, Facebook and YouTube.

1319
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,399
Give us a follow up, give us a
like and drop a review on all

1320
01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:13,200
those platforms because that's
how we grow.

1321
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:14,560
We're talking with Alicia
Shields.

1322
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,040
She's an amazing human.
Veterans without orders is

1323
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,640
something she does the box out.
What is the box out?

1324
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,439
Box out project.
Box out project and that that

1325
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:27,600
helps veterans as well.
And now the box out project does

1326
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:29,240
it.
Is it just veterans as as open

1327
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:31,560
to to kids, families, women's
fathers, everything?

1328
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,479
Are the three.
Three areas that are our main

1329
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:39,160
focus are at risk youth, women's
empowerment and veterans.

1330
01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:41,600
OK, cool.
And So what and box out is a

1331
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:43,720
gym.
And as she talked about earlier,

1332
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,200
in case you just join us, you're
actually you're actually trained

1333
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:50,319
by either active or retired
fight pugilist, right?

1334
01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:52,920
I mean, they're they're somehow
they were in the lifestyle as a.

1335
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:54,680
Boxer in the circuit.
Right.

1336
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,440
So you're actually getting real
world training, not just some

1337
01:09:57,440 --> 01:10:00,000
guy who's like, I want to teach
boxing today because I played

1338
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,600
knockout when I was a kid.
Yeah.

1339
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,720
Been working out at the Y since
50.

1340
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,200
Yeah, right, right.
So her life resume also includes

1341
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:11,280
the fact that she's she's been a
nurse for God knows how long.

1342
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,680
She's working on getting another
level of that, which is mental

1343
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,000
health, to help with mental
health aspect and all the things

1344
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,800
she does.
Anything else you want to talk

1345
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:20,720
about?
She's misses Arizona, USA.

1346
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,000
Oh, she is misses Arizona.
She's forcing out of.

1347
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:26,320
I just forget that because, you
know, there's all these other

1348
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:27,080
things.
So yeah.

1349
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:30,160
I know she's an amazing human
being, but she's also misses

1350
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:31,880
Arizona, USA.
She's a woman.

1351
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:33,040
They like that stuff.
Right.

1352
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,760
And she's and she's, she's an
avid runner now because we've

1353
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:37,520
been talking a little bit.
She's doing the Marine Corps

1354
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,720
Marathon in October.
Yeah, right.

1355
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,520
Which is funny.
Because I hate running.

1356
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:45,120
Where do you have time I.
Like.

1357
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:49,440
You make me feel like a lazy,
horribly lazy human being.

1358
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,920
Well, I I wish I.
Could have seen my.

1359
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:58,000
So I have a competition coach
for for the bodybuilding show,

1360
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,200
right?
I wish I could have seen his

1361
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:03,520
face when I messaged him and was
like, hey, by the way, I'm

1362
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,160
running the Marine Corps
Marathon because those are such

1363
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,880
polar opposites.
You're not supposed to do that.

1364
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:13,120
Well, and yeah, and see, that's
because I've ran Nikki and I've

1365
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,560
done probably 60 half marathon
since 15.

1366
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:20,680
There is a fine line between, I
mean, bulking up muscle wise and

1367
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,200
running because it contradicts
itself.

1368
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:24,720
Absolutely.
Because, you know, it's just

1369
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:28,080
it's like like she doesn't Nikki
likes when I have more bulk like

1370
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,840
I have now as opposed to when
before I broke my my head, my

1371
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,320
stress fracture that I was, you
know, I could get up tomorrow

1372
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:36,440
and go run 10 miles without even
thinking about it, right.

1373
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:41,440
But I was more lean and fit.
But she likes, she likes where,

1374
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:43,480
you know, what I'm standing for.
Although I can see your chest,

1375
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:47,680
but you, but when you run you,
you lean it away.

1376
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,080
And if people don't understand
the whole concept of running,

1377
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:51,960
you're basically putting your
body in shock when you're

1378
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:54,160
running a half marathon or a
marathon because your body

1379
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:57,240
doesn't know what to do.
So it starts retaining all the

1380
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,680
all the food inside you because
they know that you're going

1381
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,360
because of your training.
Do you know you're going to

1382
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:05,760
starve your body for an X amount
of time?

1383
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:08,840
And while doing so, you're
punishing your body for X amount

1384
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:12,840
of time, which is why it's so
important to hydrate and diet is

1385
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:14,400
so important.
So I can see where your

1386
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:17,880
competition coach was like what
you're going to do that?

1387
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:20,480
But are you?
Is it going to help you find a

1388
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:22,520
balance though?
Yeah, for sure.

1389
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,600
And, and kind of what I've been
doing because I have to do a lot

1390
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:28,240
of cardio every day anyway for
the competition, but it's

1391
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:31,520
usually usually elliptical or
bike or, you know, something

1392
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,160
like that.
But I've just turned all my

1393
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:38,880
cardio into running.
So I try to run about four times

1394
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,920
a week.
I'll do four or five miles most

1395
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,080
days and then I'll do a long
run.

1396
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:48,520
So I'm I'm not like killing
myself with the running where

1397
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:51,680
like people that are running
1015 miles every day.

1398
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:54,240
I'm not doing that and.
We were never like that either.

1399
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:57,400
When Nikki and I were training
for all our rushes that we did,

1400
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:00,600
it would be basically at least
at least a 5K every day.

1401
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,000
We'd have a day off and then
we'd have a long run on Saturday

1402
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:04,840
or Sunday.
So if Monday through Thursday,

1403
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,680
we're at least, you know, 3 to 5
miles, I would end up doing more

1404
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:09,480
because that's just, you know,
overachiever.

1405
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,720
And then the Saturday, whatever
it was, you know, the first, the

1406
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:16,040
first day would be, you know, 3
miles and you just build it and

1407
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:18,840
you build it and build it, build
it until all of a sudden you're,

1408
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,760
you know, your training runs,
you know, 14 miles that day.

1409
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,000
But your body's accustomed to it
now.

1410
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,800
And, and it's as much as it can
be, right.

1411
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,120
But with the bodybuilding, I
asked, but that's why I asked.

1412
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:31,120
So is he going to help you find
a happy meeting?

1413
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:32,760
Because the bodybuilding's in
July, August.

1414
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:36,040
August 2nd.
August.

1415
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:37,520
OK.
And the and the and the My

1416
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:42,920
birthday, October.
Yeah, so I'm, I'm like measuring

1417
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:46,960
my obviously I do my weight all
the time and then body fat

1418
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:50,840
percentage, but I also measure
my, my measure my thighs,

1419
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:54,840
measure my arms.
And we, we make sure I'm not

1420
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:59,200
like losing too much anywhere,
making sure I'm staying

1421
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:02,360
hydrated, upping my car, my
carbs as needed.

1422
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:08,920
So yeah, he's definitely, we're,
we're making changes as needed.

1423
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,880
Cool, do you do any supplements?
Oh yes.

1424
01:14:12,440 --> 01:14:14,200
You know, not everybody does.
That's why I.

1425
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:14,600
Asked.
Yeah.

1426
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,520
No, I mean, I'm all natural.
I'm a natural bodybuilder.

1427
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:21,600
Oh, no, I wasn't thinking.
Yeah, yeah, I just, I was just

1428
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:23,880
meaning like from a healthy
standpoint, like I just, I

1429
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,880
start, right.
Like I just, I just started

1430
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:30,880
doing a hemp works supplement,
my mushrooms in it for energy

1431
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,000
and vitality.
And then I take these little

1432
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,520
healthy gut gummies, sea Moss
gummies once a day because it

1433
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:38,240
helps with the gut health and
things like that.

1434
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:41,760
So I'm not super into everything
either, but for what you're

1435
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:43,880
doing, that's why I asked that
because you obviously there's

1436
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,680
got to be, you know.
Yeah, so I believe everybody

1437
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,720
should be on creatine whether
they lift or not because of the

1438
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:54,240
brain benefits.
So creatine is so good for

1439
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:56,600
people.
So I definitely take creatine,

1440
01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:03,000
amino acids, magnesium, zinc at
night.

1441
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,480
I started taking ashwagandha
root at night.

1442
01:15:05,480 --> 01:15:09,720
I feel like I sleep better.
Magnesium I might have already

1443
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,520
mentioned.
So I I do I take AI take a quite

1444
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:15,360
AI take quite a few.
I do collagen drinks in the

1445
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:19,400
morning.
Yeah, OK, yeah.

1446
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:23,120
But yeah, now now with with the
kids and and the hubby now is

1447
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:25,520
does Patrick just sitting on the
sidelines watching you do all

1448
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,640
this stuff and just be like,
what the hell, When do you

1449
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:29,880
sleep, woman?
Yeah, sometimes, but.

1450
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:32,600
We.
Actually, we, we worked out.

1451
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:37,080
We worked out together the other
day and he's like, now listen,

1452
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:39,520
don't think that this means I
want to start bodybuilding.

1453
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:48,560
So he, Giovanni, I wish he would
start running with me.

1454
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:53,600
He's like, I don't.
So the trick, the way we got

1455
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,920
Jake to run with us is is he got
in trouble one day.

1456
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:58,600
So his punishments we had, he
had to go do the race with us

1457
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:00,320
the next day.
OK, nice.

1458
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:02,480
OK.
And he was so pissed off.

1459
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:04,160
He beat everybody.
Wow.

1460
01:16:04,440 --> 01:16:06,040
He was like.
Sticking that one in your back

1461
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:06,840
pocket.
Right.

1462
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:10,000
He was like 10 years old at the
time, but legit he beat every

1463
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,600
single person in that race.
It was like 21 minutes for his

1464
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:15,440
very first 5K.
And I'm, I mean everyone.

1465
01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:17,320
I'm not.
Just out of share everyone.

1466
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:21,160
Like we were, we were, we, we,
we weren't in front, but we

1467
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:22,480
were, you know, where we
started.

1468
01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:25,560
And legit he won first place
overall.

1469
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:27,040
And I'm like, dude, you need to
run.

1470
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,120
You need to run now.
Like, come on.

1471
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:31,040
And then, you know, he would do
a little bit now and then he

1472
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:35,080
probably did, I want to say 1520
races, 5K's with us and placed

1473
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:36,880
in every single one of them.
And then he's like, he's just

1474
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:39,440
done running.
I'm like, seriously.

1475
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,200
Because as you know, as a kid, I
couldn't run.

1476
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,880
I had asthma so bad that I was
on the way to the hospital every

1477
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:47,720
single week.
It was that I had a breathing

1478
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:50,840
machine at home.
I had, you know, Quibrin and and

1479
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:53,680
all these other weird asthma
medications that they just, you

1480
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:55,480
know, and Arizona's on the worst
state for that.

1481
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:59,560
So as a child being able to run,
I couldn't experience that

1482
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:00,720
right.
I didn't hit that till high

1483
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:02,760
school and I grew out of it.
So for him to be 10 years old

1484
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:06,720
and run for the first time ever
run a 21 minute 5 Cam like holy

1485
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:07,600
shit son that's.
Crazy.

1486
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:09,680
Right.
And he can still do it.

1487
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:12,560
Like a couple years ago he
texted me and says I just did a

1488
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,560
6 minute mile Dad, I'm like, OK,
I'm coming for you.

1489
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:17,120
And at the time I was, I was at
7:40.

1490
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:19,800
So it took me two years to get
there.

1491
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:21,840
But I ended up doing
back-to-back at Orangetheory

1492
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:25,240
Fitness, two classes back at
that at 555, each class for a

1493
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,520
mile.
And then I ran, went outside in

1494
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:30,000
557.
So I'm like, OK, I got you son.

1495
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:32,960
So here's my thing with that.
Because.

1496
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:37,440
I, when I did my first 10K
runners are a strange breed,

1497
01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:38,760
right?
I don't consider myself a

1498
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:44,200
runner, but whatever.
I first 10K, I've run plenty of

1499
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:47,440
5K's and everyone's at the
starting line and this guy's

1500
01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:51,520
like, what's everybody's pace?
And I'm like, look, I just want

1501
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:55,360
to finish like I don't care if I
finish last.

1502
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:59,400
So my thing now is my race, my
pace.

1503
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,920
I the Marine Corps Marathon, you
have to hit a 14 minute at

1504
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:08,080
least.
I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I can do that.

1505
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:12,880
And what's crazy is it doesn't
matter if I'm running 2 miles or

1506
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,720
9 miles, my mile time is the
same.

1507
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:17,720
No, but that's good though.
But I love.

1508
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:19,240
Your attitude though, that's
awesome.

1509
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:23,440
See my my see now my mindset for
running changed after I broke my

1510
01:18:23,440 --> 01:18:26,480
foot because before that I was
trying to get to 145 half.

1511
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:29,720
Which was that guy?
Which but to, but to me that,

1512
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:34,920
that for being over 50, to run a
half marathon in an hour and 45

1513
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:37,880
minutes, to me was like, that's
and I got to 1:48 and then, and

1514
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:39,960
then when the foot really got
bad and that was it.

1515
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,280
Because then I ran the, the
Vegas half and then it's just

1516
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:45,200
from there on, I was in the boot
and, and, and for bills.

1517
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:49,240
You don't know people that are
in fantastic cardio shape. 8

1518
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:52,560
months takes all of that away.
I don't care what you cause

1519
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:54,760
cardio's different things.
Cardio's not just running, it's,

1520
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:58,920
it's biking, it's, it's the, the
rowing machine, it's elliptical,

1521
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:03,440
it's the Stairmaster.
You can do cardio with different

1522
01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:05,280
kinds of weights.
You can do cardio can be doing

1523
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,760
leg day and, and doing goblet
squats and sumo squats and leg

1524
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:10,880
press and leg growth.
I mean, because as long as your,

1525
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:14,240
your heart rate's elevated and
you're sucking for air, that's

1526
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:16,560
cardio.
So it doesn't have to just be

1527
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:20,160
running, which I didn't know
until I got in the boot.

1528
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:22,520
Then I'm like, wow, what the
hell am I going to do with this?

1529
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:24,400
Right?
Because I'm not allowed to run

1530
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:26,560
and I can't put the boot on the
row or I can't put the boot on

1531
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,600
the bike.
So then it was all upper body

1532
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:31,320
cardio when I was using TI Rex
straps and stuff, and you know

1533
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,680
what I mean?
So I still was able to maintain

1534
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:38,800
a certain level of cardio.
But even before that, when we

1535
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:40,840
just thought it was a neuroma
and I was having problems with

1536
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:44,120
then all I was doing was biking
and I was afraid biking on a

1537
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:47,760
stationary bicycle wasn't going
to have the same impact at

1538
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,200
running.
Oh my God, when I was able to

1539
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:57,280
run again, I was faster and was
in better cardio shape per SE,

1540
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:02,520
because it's it was so much
harder to maintain the the the

1541
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:05,720
same kind of level on a bike
doing, you know, 1516 gear on a

1542
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:07,880
bike.
And because it was orange

1543
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:11,160
theory, it's up and down, you
know, push paste all out me.

1544
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:13,880
That blew my mind.
It just totally blew my mind

1545
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,080
that cardio is everything.
It's not just running down the

1546
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,760
street for for people that
understand that it is anything

1547
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:21,760
that you get your heart pump and
get you sucking for air, that's

1548
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:22,600
cardio.
Whether?

1549
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,400
Anything that gets your heart
rate elevated for sure, yeah.

1550
01:20:25,480 --> 01:20:27,320
Right, right.
So that's like what you alluded

1551
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:29,800
to Alicia, like you, you, you
know, the different things

1552
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:33,040
you're doing cardio wise, it
still helps the end game.

1553
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:36,800
And when you when when you train
for marathons and half

1554
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:40,040
marathons, you can do all kinds
of workouts that do that, which

1555
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:42,800
I mean, because you do CrossFit,
you can do regular just

1556
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:45,160
weightlifting, you can do
regular core stuff, you can do

1557
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,320
regular running, you can walk,
you can jog.

1558
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:48,920
I mean, there's so many
different things that benefit

1559
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:51,920
you and it and it works out the
other muscles that you don't

1560
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:55,400
realize will be a benefit when
you're running, which is when

1561
01:20:55,480 --> 01:20:57,520
the whole bike thing for that.
And really I was like, holy

1562
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:59,640
shit, this is amazing.
I didn't lose a step running on

1563
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:01,520
the bike.
I lost, I lost all kinds of

1564
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:04,000
steps being in the boot because,
you know, there was absolutely

1565
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:09,040
no traditional cardio, but the
bike totally did not, did not

1566
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,880
derail my my fitness level.
From a running standpoint, it

1567
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:13,800
actually made it that much
better, which was surprising.

1568
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:15,280
Nice.
Yeah.

1569
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:20,480
It's it's so funny when I run
the first mile, I want to like,

1570
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:22,120
die.
It's so does Nikki.

1571
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:23,840
So does Nikki.
She talks to herself the whole

1572
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:24,760
time.
This is stupid.

1573
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:26,160
I don't want to do this.
Yes.

1574
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:28,160
Why am I doing?
Like what the hell is wrong with

1575
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:29,640
me?
I have to stop.

1576
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:32,480
I can't breathe.
And I'm like, you are breathing,

1577
01:21:32,480 --> 01:21:35,160
your lungs are moving air and
it's like I have to stop.

1578
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:36,760
My legs hurt.
No, your legs don't hurt.

1579
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:42,960
So I actually got the pep talk
app and I'll listen to like like

1580
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,920
David Goggins and.
He's great.

1581
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:47,840
Yes.
I love that dude.

1582
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:50,160
I've followed him on Instagram
for years.

1583
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:54,040
I heard him on Rogan the first
time and I'm like, he's just one

1584
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:56,760
of those people that is
infectious now.

1585
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:58,640
He really makes me feel like a
piece of shit.

1586
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:03,160
He may be every day because this
guy takes a picture and she'll

1587
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:07,120
tell you he takes a picture of
his watch at like 4:30 in the

1588
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,840
morning and he's like, I'm up
doing whatever.

1589
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:11,280
What are you doing?
You know he's.

1590
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:15,560
That guy, he's that guy.
And literally he has gotten me

1591
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:19,440
out of bed several mornings when
I've had to go run because I

1592
01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:22,320
just hear him playing in my
head.

1593
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:27,480
But but yeah, that's a great app
at like 40 minutes on the stair

1594
01:22:27,480 --> 01:22:29,320
stepper.
I'm listening to those.

1595
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,200
I'm listening to people the
whole time, giving me

1596
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:34,160
motivation.
That's awesome.

1597
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:35,440
Yeah, Nick is the same with
running.

1598
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:38,480
I I have the mindset with
running that finished stronger

1599
01:22:38,480 --> 01:22:42,040
than you started.
So if if my like our first smile

1600
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:44,440
forever and ever and ever was
always in the 10 minute range

1601
01:22:44,440 --> 01:22:46,320
because again, Nick is like you,
I don't want to run.

1602
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:48,760
Yeah.
You know, and I get behind her

1603
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,000
and I'm like, you got to run
because I'm behind you, you

1604
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:52,520
know?
But I think it's important for

1605
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:55,760
people to understand that that's
what you replaced your addiction

1606
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:58,080
with.
So your mindset about running,

1607
01:22:58,440 --> 01:23:01,280
you know, I, I'm going to tease
him about it, but he knows that

1608
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:05,200
I know you know, it's like when
I say he's one of those guys,

1609
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:07,480
it's like I think like you do
Alicia.

1610
01:23:07,480 --> 01:23:10,280
I see these people on Facebook
and even David Goggins.

1611
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:13,600
I'm like, I could never keep up
with that anyway because I don't

1612
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,320
understand that mentality,
right?

1613
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:19,480
I understand Chris's mentality
towards running because that's

1614
01:23:19,480 --> 01:23:23,440
what he does to keep himself on
the straight and narrow as far

1615
01:23:23,440 --> 01:23:26,360
as my mind, my body, my spirit
is healthy, right?

1616
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:29,080
I can appreciate that like
there's no tomorrow.

1617
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:32,560
So I get it.
The other people that do it, I'm

1618
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:35,640
I guess I can appreciate where
Nikki's coming from.

1619
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:38,800
I would be doing the same thing.
What?

1620
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:42,040
This is so stupid.
But the difference and one of

1621
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:43,840
the main things which is cool
about you doing the Marine Corps

1622
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,800
Marathon that's in it's in
Washington, DC for those that

1623
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:50,640
don't know you actually, you
Arlington Cemetery, all the, all

1624
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:53,960
the really cool, cool.
But you know, all the sites that

1625
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,040
you want to see in Washington,
you're running through and, and

1626
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:58,360
you're part of that.
You run with with with veterans,

1627
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:01,400
You run with active duty
members, you run.

1628
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:04,000
I don't know if they're they did
it before the you run through

1629
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:06,960
the 1st responders fallen, you
know a.

1630
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:08,960
Memory Mile.
Yeah, memory mile.

1631
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,200
Yeah, I'm hoping my dad's
picture is going to be on that.

1632
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:14,320
That would be cool.
So, so it's, it's a really, it's

1633
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:18,320
a really humbling race because
number one, it's it's massive,

1634
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:22,920
but #2 you, you look to your
left at one point in time, you

1635
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:25,840
have, you have a Marine running
full gear with a rock on.

1636
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:29,040
And it's like, yeah, be kidding
me, this guy's passing me, you

1637
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:30,240
know what I'm doing?
9 minute mile.

1638
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:33,640
And he's like, OK, it's just,
it's very humbling.

1639
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:35,840
It's, it's, it's, it's an
amazing race And they have

1640
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:37,840
everything.
They have 510K, half marathon

1641
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,120
and full marathon.
So if you've never done 1 and

1642
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:42,240
you want to do want to be a part
of that environment, I highly

1643
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:44,640
suggest that we would have, if
we went this year, it would have

1644
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:46,840
been our fifth time.
But we just, we just because the

1645
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:48,160
next thing we just got to bow
out.

1646
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:51,680
But it's and it's an amazing
event.

1647
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:54,000
We the whole weekend you stay
and have, I mean, it's just

1648
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:55,440
really cool.
So if you've never done it, boys

1649
01:24:55,440 --> 01:24:56,720
and girls are listening and
you're a runner.

1650
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:59,760
Marine Corps Marathon, it's
mcm.com, I think is the thing.

1651
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,320
Go check it out.
It's it's definitely something

1652
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:03,840
to do bucket list wise for a
runner.

1653
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:06,920
Yep, and this year they're doing
it a little bit different this

1654
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,000
year because it's the Marine
Corps 250th.

1655
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:12,520
Birthday.
Marine Corps Marathon 50th Every

1656
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:14,520
entry is a marathon entry this
year.

1657
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:17,400
Right, which is why it's a drag
that we're not that we have to

1658
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:19,080
bow out because that thing, it's
like.

1659
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:21,840
Yeah.
So I think next year it'll go

1660
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:24,600
back to the five.
Oh, OK. 510K half, yeah.

1661
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:27,240
Yeah.
So yeah, I'm excited.

1662
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:32,400
I've been, I've been training.
I've I'm starting to not hate

1663
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:34,080
running quite as much.
Yeah.

1664
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:37,080
Well, see, The thing is once you
once you train for it and then

1665
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:40,160
you do the the full, you're
gonna you're gonna find yourself

1666
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:41,880
in the couple weeks I need to go
for a run.

1667
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:47,080
Yeah, yeah, that's, I hope so.
I've I'm doing 1/2 in June to

1668
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:49,040
see where I'm at.
Where's the half at?

1669
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,000
Long Beach, OK.
Good.

1670
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:52,600
I was going to say, hopefully
not in Arizona.

1671
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:56,600
No, it's in Long Beach, but I
and I keep I keep learning

1672
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:58,200
valuable lessons.
I posted about this.

1673
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:01,880
I don't know if you saw it.
It was my seven mile run a few

1674
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:06,200
weeks back and I started out and
I got to a mile and my hair tie

1675
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:09,960
broke.
So then you know, it's it's in

1676
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:12,040
the morning.
It was still kind of warm and I

1677
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:14,600
don't have a hair tie for my
hair for the next 6 miles.

1678
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:18,000
So like, all right, I got a
carious fair with me from now

1679
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:20,120
on.
Nikki has all kinds of things in

1680
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:22,160
her camel pack.
She has Chapstick, she has

1681
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,280
Kleenex, she has about $20 in
cash.

1682
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:29,560
She has several, her ties, band
aids, little Advil, Tylenol, you

1683
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:30,760
know, because you, you don't
know.

1684
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:33,760
And when you're off, when you're
off running, like you have your

1685
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:36,680
phone because it fits in our
camel packs, but that's it.

1686
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:41,040
Like you, you have nothing else.
And you know, it's kind of

1687
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:44,120
you're, you're purposely
isolating yourself regardless of

1688
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:47,360
where you're running, because if
you're on a trail, well, you're

1689
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:48,680
still on a trail.
It's not like you could turn

1690
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:50,520
around.
Oh, there's a Circle K you may

1691
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:51,960
have passed through OK two hours
ago.

1692
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:56,320
So, you know, that's the thing.
So when you train, be mindful of

1693
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:59,560
that, those trails where you
have the areas where you can hit

1694
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:02,080
a QT because you know.
Yeah.

1695
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:04,200
It sucks having to pee when
you're running and there's

1696
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:06,120
nowhere inside to pee for a
woman.

1697
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:09,160
See men like Oh Tree.
You know, yeah.

1698
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:13,080
I'm good, but women?
Yeah, that happened last week

1699
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:18,360
and I was like, OK, I can get to
repairing.

1700
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:20,760
Is it called Reserve I?
I was.

1701
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:23,720
Like I know there's a bathroom.
There, I think I'm close enough

1702
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:26,520
I can get there or I can turn
around and go back home, but I

1703
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:28,040
made it to the reserve and use
the.

1704
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:30,920
Bathroom there, yeah, there's
that, There's you running on

1705
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:34,600
that, that that canal system,
Yes, the one that starts like we

1706
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:36,760
used to start it from Arizona
Ave. and Riggs and take it all

1707
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:39,120
the way to Freestone Park.
Yeah, it goes far.

1708
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:40,360
Yeah, it's awesome.
I learned.

1709
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:42,160
I learned that it actually goes
farther than that.

1710
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:45,000
But we've just when we were
running for our races, we would

1711
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:48,080
take from the rigs in in Arizona
and we go to my office at at

1712
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:52,040
Bourke St. and baseline.
How far is that for people who

1713
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:55,720
are listening?
I want to say that's that's

1714
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:58,440
pretty.
I want to say 10 miles at least.

1715
01:27:58,440 --> 01:28:00,280
There you go.
At least.

1716
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:03,680
If not, yeah, because because I
would stock the fridge, we would

1717
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:06,360
put, we would put little goo in
the fridge because my office was

1718
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:09,280
there and I had a code.
So Gatorade little goo min a

1719
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:10,880
point and then run back the
other direction.

1720
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:15,920
Yeah, I've discovered if I start
at my house, I can run to the

1721
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:19,160
reserve and then hit the canal
and I can do as many miles as I.

1722
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:20,600
Want.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1723
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:23,680
It's like I just have to be
mindful that it is like 2 1/2

1724
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:25,320
three miles back to my house,
so.

1725
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:26,160
Right, right.
See.

1726
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:28,560
And that's where, that's where
Nikki helps me with the math

1727
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:30,320
because we'll be like going to
go run 6 miles.

1728
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:32,040
I'm like, OK, we're going to run
out to, you know?

1729
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:34,840
Yeah, he's going to run 6 miles
in One Direction.

1730
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:35,880
Right.
Yeah, exactly.

1731
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:37,480
She's.
Like, no, we got to turn around.

1732
01:28:37,480 --> 01:28:39,320
Well, because I like to do a
half mile cooldown.

1733
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:41,960
So then I'll say something and
should be like, yeah, no, we

1734
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:44,040
went go this far.
In turn I'm like, oh, OK,

1735
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:47,640
Because if it was up to me, we'd
have like a mile and a half cool

1736
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:50,280
down and you know, that's just
not her.

1737
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:52,920
So and we haven't, we really
haven't run in about a month

1738
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:55,680
which sucks but I replace it
with just pushing weights and

1739
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:58,640
stuff.
I do like that Strava app.

1740
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:02,400
Yeah, Strava's cool.
We were Strava forever now.

1741
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:04,120
And then we went.
Then I went to Garmin.

1742
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:06,800
I had a Nike, Nike watch when we
first started running.

1743
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:08,560
And then I finally got a Garmin,
OK.

1744
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:11,360
And then so I kind of bounced
out of the Strava because I

1745
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:13,040
mean, how many running apps do I
need, you know?

1746
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:15,360
Right, right, right.
What does that do for you?

1747
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:19,840
For somebody that doesn't run.
What was that Strava app?

1748
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:21,720
Yeah.
What does the Strava app do for

1749
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:25,360
you?
Well for me, I make my routes so

1750
01:29:25,440 --> 01:29:29,920
I I'm like OK, I need to know 10
miles from my house what what is

1751
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:32,240
the route?
And it'll either show you routes

1752
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:34,400
that have already been made, or
you can make your own.

1753
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:37,920
Yeah, like I've, I had, I had
routes I saved in Strava as we

1754
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,120
were training for things.
I would say I don't know if they

1755
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:43,040
come, if they go public or not,
but I would, I would save

1756
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,320
different little things we did
to just, you know, then I could

1757
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:47,920
go, let's go run this today.
And then what about?

1758
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:50,400
Yep.
And then what I do before I go

1759
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:53,240
run, I send the route to Patrick
just in case.

1760
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:56,120
Oh, because you run by yourself.
Yeah.

1761
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:58,400
OK, that's good thinking.
Good thinking.

1762
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:00,840
But of course, you're you're a
badass, so I dare anybody to try

1763
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:03,280
to stop her on the trail.
You're going to get your ass

1764
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:04,200
kicked.
She.

1765
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:08,520
Did not give up an entire
suitcase of no pharmaceuticals

1766
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:11,160
to the Ugandan government
people, right, you're in.

1767
01:30:11,480 --> 01:30:14,040
Trouble.
What I didn't tell you guys is I

1768
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:16,360
actually trained Krav Maga in
Israel.

1769
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:17,280
So.
Oh.

1770
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:21,120
Right on.
We really are a badass, yeah.

1771
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:24,800
Yeah, so I was actually supposed
to be there last week and had to

1772
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:28,800
delay my training.
So I'll be going probably in the

1773
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:31,040
fall, to do another training.
There you go.

1774
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:31,640
All right.
Well.

1775
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:33,840
That's one thing.
That's one thing that I always

1776
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:37,320
like that Rogan talks about on
his podcast is nowadays you got

1777
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:38,880
to be careful.
You don't know what woman you're

1778
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:40,320
running into.
That's true.

1779
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:43,640
You might, you might run into a
Ronda Rousey that nobody knows

1780
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:45,920
about just because she didn't
pursue it, right?

1781
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:48,480
But she might be a Brazilian
black belt.

1782
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:52,480
Yep, Yep Chris, can I make 2
quick plugs?

1783
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:56,920
Absolutely.
All right, this is the empowered

1784
01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:59,920
nurse.
This is my first ever book that

1785
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:01,120
congratulations.
On.

1786
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:02,800
Amazon.
Nice.

1787
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:06,280
And then it's really just about,
you know, burnout is so bad in

1788
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:08,240
nursing.
So it's just about getting back

1789
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:11,640
into why you got into nursing.
And then a plug for Patrick.

1790
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:14,800
This is his book.
Right on, Where'd it go?

1791
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,120
That's awesome.
It's part of a series, so this

1792
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:18,840
is the first one.
Right on.

1793
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:21,120
What's this about?
What's the synopsis of it?

1794
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:30,160
Oh, I haven't read.
I'm.

1795
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:33,200
Going to but I've just got too
much going on right now.

1796
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:36,280
You don't say.
Since we're since we're dropping

1797
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:39,240
books, this is my book that I
wrote a couple years ago.

1798
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:41,960
It's called the Legend of
Charles Lee Lang OK, cool.

1799
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:44,080
It's based on a true story
because I used to go up every

1800
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:45,680
January work with his name is
Chuck.

1801
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:47,160
I used to work on his cattle
ranch.

1802
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:51,200
And then finally at one point in
time he had asked we had a

1803
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:56,160
conversation when when we were
going riding out, it went to a

1804
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:57,680
dark side.
He's like, hey, when I die, man,

1805
01:31:57,680 --> 01:31:59,240
I don't want to be buried in the
cemetery.

1806
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:01,680
I want to be buried in the open
fields and mountains so I can

1807
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:04,640
sew.
That's that's it's, it's based

1808
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:07,200
on a true concept, but the whole
thing's made-up.

1809
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:09,960
But so what's on his Amazon as
well?

1810
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:11,840
That was my.
That was my third my. 3rd I

1811
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:15,280
don't have a book this.
This is my book right here.

1812
01:32:15,440 --> 01:32:17,720
This is book.
This is as much writing as I'm

1813
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:19,520
going to do.
I just, I just figure we're

1814
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:21,200
busting out books.
I'd you know, I'd share.

1815
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:24,160
Of course.
So again, boys and girls, this

1816
01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:26,240
is Alicia Shields.
She's an amazing human.

1817
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:29,120
We'll have all her information
on the Instagram, Facebook, and

1818
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:31,560
YouTube.
Mike puts these all together

1819
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:32,920
once we're done.
So there's gonna probably be

1820
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:35,800
about 1520 shorts that we can
share with you.

1821
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:38,920
So then you can put those
everywhere on your stuff that

1822
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:40,800
will talk about all of the
nuances of what you do.

1823
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:43,480
She's misses Arizona, she's
trying to be Misses USA.

1824
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:47,000
She works with Veterans Without
Orders, which is a fantastic

1825
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:52,800
nonprofit organization that goes
around the world to empower

1826
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:56,720
other countries on so many
different levels, and she has

1827
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:59,640
Box Out.
Box out and box out project.

1828
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:03,360
Box out is a is a boxing gym
she's a a part owner of and

1829
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:07,120
Chandler and Box out project
helps empower veterans, women

1830
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:10,520
and at youth at youth kids that
risk kids.

1831
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:13,240
Is that OK?
So yeah, anything you want to

1832
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:15,040
learn about Alicia Shields,
that's going to be on the show.

1833
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:18,640
Mike and I always wrap this
stuff up with, you know, if

1834
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:19,840
you're hit, don't let the bad
days win.

1835
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:23,720
Somebody Loves You.
Reach out, talk to someone if

1836
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:26,080
you're if you're depressed, if
you're sad, if you're just

1837
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:28,240
confused, whatever the case may
be, tomorrow is always going to

1838
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:30,840
be a better day.
So to be don't be that person.

1839
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:33,040
That leaves avoiding somebody's
heart because you just didn't

1840
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:36,120
have a conversation with them,
right?

1841
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:38,800
Any anything you want to wrap up
with Alicia?

1842
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:42,880
I I appreciate you having me on
here.

1843
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:45,720
It was awesome.
It was a lot of fun.

1844
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:48,520
Thanks for letting me get all
that information out.

1845
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:52,520
And if anyone's interested in
volunteering or finding out more

1846
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:55,440
about any of the awesome
organizations we talked about,

1847
01:33:55,440 --> 01:33:58,720
please reach out to me because
we would loved.

1848
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:01,400
I'd love to talk more about the
organizations so.

1849
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:03,640
Well, we can have you back on.
We can have that as much as you

1850
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:05,000
want.
And we just, we can just focus

1851
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,880
one day on on veterans without
orders and talk about all the

1852
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:10,720
stuff you do there.
So that's the thing about us.

1853
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:12,160
We don't have an agenda.
We don't.

1854
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:13,840
We don't.
Have you want to do a whole show

1855
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:16,000
on that?
Just get with Chris and we'll do

1856
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:17,320
a whole show on just that.
Yeah.

1857
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:18,520
Cool.
Yeah, I'll have the.

1858
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:22,400
I'm all about the veterans, too.
Yeah, Yeah, that would be, that

1859
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:26,800
would be fantastic because
again, we're all about helping

1860
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:29,880
everybody else's stuff grow and
be and be brought to the

1861
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:31,880
forefront because you know, it's
networking.

1862
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:35,280
It's it's a different brand of
networking, but I didn't know

1863
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:37,760
about better than other orders
until you just told me.

1864
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:39,840
I knew you the other stuff you
did right, But then you're like,

1865
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:41,680
Oh, I don't do that anymore.
I didn't I knew you were I

1866
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:43,760
didn't know you were a real part
over a box out, but I knew you

1867
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:47,120
were a boxing right, So I knew
you were legit.

1868
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:51,080
I didn't know you're a bad ass.
So you are I'm like legit.

1869
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:52,760
You're a truly human, amazing
human.

1870
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:55,520
I mean, I liked you and your
family before, but you just you

1871
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:58,600
went up a notch with this stuff
because it's it's selflessness

1872
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:04,120
and there's so many people don't
do enough to help others.

1873
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:07,720
And I think that's sad because
you get so much of you get so

1874
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:11,520
much for food for your soul when
you're helping other people and

1875
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:14,360
and you know, you're teaching
people how to fish

1876
01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:18,000
theoretically, so they know how
to take care of themselves for

1877
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:19,400
decades at a time with the
water.

1878
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:21,040
That's amazing.
And the water thing is

1879
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:22,960
sawyer.com.
So if you guys didn't catch that

1880
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:26,800
part of show Sawyer, like
thomassawyer.com really cool

1881
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:29,720
products about how to filter
water that doesn't work for the

1882
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:31,600
ocean.
But all the other you know, you

1883
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:33,960
I I I pulled it up while we were
talking about it too.

1884
01:35:34,440 --> 01:35:37,240
There's a picture, I don't know
if it's from one of your

1885
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:40,200
adventures, but a bunch of
buckets lined up in a row and it

1886
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:42,600
looked like 1/3 a third world
country, right?

1887
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:45,120
I don't want to say this, but
and they all had their little

1888
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:48,760
things going out and and kids.
I mean, it's so it's it's

1889
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:50,920
amazing, amazing stuff that you
do Alicia, amazing.

1890
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:53,120
You should you should go take go
take a nap.

1891
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:55,440
OK.
I think I might.

1892
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:58,760
You deserve it.
Eat my rice cakes and take a nap

1893
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:01,080
there.
You go and tell Patrick and the

1894
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:03,640
kids I said hello and then we'll
definitely have you back on

1895
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:05,040
again.
Love to have you have more of

1896
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:07,000
your story, especially with the
other stuff that you do with.

1897
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:08,640
From a volunteering standpoint,
it's fantastic.

1898
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:10,120
It was awesome to meet you for
sure.

1899
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,360
Thank you for coming on and
doing this and getting your

1900
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:15,880
message out there and whatever
message, whatever links you want

1901
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:19,560
as far as those messages for
this one, just drop them in the

1902
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:22,520
link that we have.
To e-mail me e-mail, shoot me an

1903
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:24,800
e-mail today when we're done,
e-mail me everything that you

1904
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:26,720
that you talked about.
So then when Mike puts it all

1905
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:30,080
together.
I'll drop those links on Spotify

1906
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:34,440
and he can drop them on YouTube.
And actually yours will when I

1907
01:36:34,440 --> 01:36:37,360
drop it, it'll go to anywhere an
RSS feed goes to.

1908
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:41,920
So Apple, Amazon, Spotify.
So whichever ones you want in

1909
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:44,800
there, just send them to Chris
and I'll include him in the

1910
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:46,360
final post.
So thank you again.

1911
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:48,320
I really appreciate it was
amazing to meet you.

1912
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:51,440
Nice to nice to meet you Mike.
Nice to see you again, Chris.

1913
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:54,400
You as well have a great day.
You too.

1914
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:56,720
Love you guys.
Love you too.

1915
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:14,840
The place where you will go
behind your eyes.

1916
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:25,080
Take a moment, look until you
see it.

1917
01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:37,720
Fight your bail and see your
boss weird.

1918
01:37:39,120 --> 01:39:05,360
Fight your battle.
Now you're coming.

1919
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:08,760
Come down here.
Yeah, we found out he didn't see

1920
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:12,480
his sand.
You can fuck and fight him.

1921
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:16,200
Wait for the dead.
Or when he's.

1922
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:20,160
Closer out here.
But in the wind he went.

1923
01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:25,680
No quizzes, we'll play, inspire
and make sure you press on the

1924
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:29,240
almighty day.
You got a dream.

1925
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:37,040
Who in your life to keep our
soul in every day?

1926
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:42,280
Take the trail behind your eyes.
Feel the soul revolution.

1927
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:56,760
Yeah, take a moment.
Look where you see it.

1928
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:00,640
Fight your family to you.
More clear.

1929
01:40:26,270 --> 01:40:30,990
You gotta, You gotta.
You gotta, you gotta, you gotta.