#171 - Don Warnock Jr. - All Things Music

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Hello boys and girls.
This is the Chris and Mike show

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coming to you live from
Riverside FM Podcasting Studios

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and we are here today with our
good friend Don Warnock.

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We are also live on Twitch,
YouTube, and now Chris and

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mikeshow.com, so you can find
all three of those platforms and

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you can check us out.
Check us out live wherever you

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are right now in the world
'cause we're Mike. 29 countries

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now, Mike. 30 brother, 3030
countries.

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Yeah, we, we failed to welcome
Sweden last week they joined on

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board.
So welcome, Sweden.

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Hello, Sweden.
We're not coming after you.

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We're not Donald Trump.
You can keep.

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Every.
We're not playing a grown up

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game of Risk.
I got Venezuela, now I'm going

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for Greenland.
Next is Australia, because

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Australia has a stranglehold.
Actually, it's kind of funny

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because now that we have the
website, the website, when you

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look at the analytics, it's cool
because it does look like a real

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life game of Risk and we're
starting to fill.

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In it is mine too, so it's.
Awesome.

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Yeah, that was Nikki.
That was Nikki's analogy of what

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Trump's doing.
He's like, he's playing a grown

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up game of Risk and I'm like,
it's pretty much.

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It's brilliant.
I love that.

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Like how many cards?
You got the green, you got the

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green, you got the black.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So if you don't know, Don
Warnock was on our show a while

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back when we had an epic
conversation about parts of his

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life that were really cool that
that he shared with us at night,

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like even his parents hadn't
heard.

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But Don is such a cool human.
We wanted to have him come back

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on the show and just talk music
because Don and I met via a

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mutual friend, Neanderthal, who
is a disc jockey here in in

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Arizona.
Also want to Kansas.

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Right.
Yeah, OK.

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Yeah.
So, so that was our mutual

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connection.
So I always actually thought Don

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was some type of disc jockey or
in the music world.

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You know.
Come to find out, he's not, he's

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just like Mike and I had this
innate amount of knowledge of

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music and love and passion for
it because it's it's it's life's

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soundtrack.
So we brought Don back just to

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have a conversation about music
and you know which Mike and I

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love and.
You're not going to find three

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guys that like to talk about
music more than us and I think.

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Oh, my God, yes, both of us.
So thank you for thank you for

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having me back for stalkers.
Yeah.

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The love of music is
unbelievable.

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It it runs through our veins.
I think personally, you, you

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know, as recovering addicts, you
know, music plays a huge part.

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Oh yeah, of how we react to
life.

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And you know, having, you know,
say Ozzy, for instance, you

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know, you can go clear back to
to the early mid 80s and, you

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know, Ozzy got me through my
first stint in rehab, lockdown

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rehab.
So yeah, super important, man.

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You know, I went there, I got a
piece.

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Of music that I play all the
time Don that literally saved my

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life because I.
Played my life, my man.

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Over again to get me through
those rough times, right?

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Yeah, yeah, I could not agree
more.

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Every time I pick up my guitar
and I play that, there's very

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few times that I don't get
emotional when I play that

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particular course of music, you
know, because I remember all

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those times.
It gives you chills down your

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spine.
I I got, I got chills now just

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thinking about Ozzie, you know,
God rest his soul, but.

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How can he got?
How can he not get chills

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thinking about Ozzy?
Yeah, you dance straight, Chris.

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Well, you said it best when he
died, Chris, the world got

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quieter.
Yeah, the world.

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Stands to.
And not just because of his

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music, because of his pushback
against what he considered the

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ridiculous part of society.
Right.

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Yeah.
You are.

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Correct.
Yeah.

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And just everything.
Ozzy was an enigma.

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He's just.
One of the times, one of the.

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Times, I think and and thanks to
Sharon, he became that that

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worldwide icon because without
Sharon, Ozzy doesn't have a a

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solo career.
I don't think to the level that

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he did, he'd be.
Dead or or or have some semi

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restraint.
Sharon, I think he's here and

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held him down.
Now he's a tough.

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Actor, I think he admitted many
times he would have never made

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it out of that hotel room that
you are correct.

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Yep.
Yeah, yeah.

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So what do you want to start
with today?

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Whatever man.
Fire away, dog.

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OK, here.
I'm going to just get it out the

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way, Jens.
Lead us under.

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Start Shinedown.
Sign down.

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Let's say you do, man, I need
one of those.

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Yeah, it's a back stretcher.
I love that guy I got.

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Those too.
It's from the Bear Cafe, the

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Bear Claw.
It works on the Bear Claw.

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Yeah, yeah, yours, yours a
little longer than my back

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scratcher, yeah.
That's what.

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She's now you've got an
extension.

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You walk right into that one.
That's awesome and even.

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With the dinner.
Make my shirt on man, Come on.

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I was going to say mine's wider.
No shit, Mike, right?

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Hey, I've heard you know wider
is better than.

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You're not legs, right?
Yeah.

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Anyway, we'll start real quick
with Shinedown and I'll take a

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breathe.
I did get to meet Eric, Berry,

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Zach and of course Brent about
two, 2-3 years ago.

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Those gents could not have been
kinder.

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I love them live and, and, and
the reason being you know just

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what you know Mike and you and
you, Chris said.

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They got me through some very
difficult times in my life.

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With that being said, the radio
station here, 98.9, The Rock,

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Kansas City, we were the there
were only 12 spots for meet and

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greets.
Myself, myself and my roommate

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Scott Burroughs were 13 and 13
and 14.

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Yeah, yeah, they'll watch.
Yeah, he'll watch.

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Why I?
Waved high.

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That's why I waved high.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So anyway, Brent, Brent came to
us, yeah, at the very end of the

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line because we are the odd
ducks out.

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We're the 13 and 14, which was
only supposed to be AA12 spot on

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meet and greet.
And Brent asked me like 6 times,

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is there anything we can do for
you?

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Is it?
My jaw was on the floor because

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I'm meeting Brent Smith, lead
singer of Shinedown, my favorite

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band, and.
And I couldn't get the words out

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of my head.
And fortunately, my roommate,

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Scotty, he spoke up.
He goes, hey, man, just keep

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spinning the tears, man.
And end of the day, that's what

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it's about.
Yeah.

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Anyway, that's why I love
Shinedown.

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And that's all I say about
Shinedown.

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That's cool.
Well, and you know, those guys

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are as much as that is an
embarrassing moment at the time,

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those guys are so used to that,
you know.

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Yeah.
Where where somebody gets tongue

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tied?
Yeah, they don't.

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I don't think they think.
Mike, I was completely tough

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about it.
I I didn't even formulate the

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words that I wanted to say to
him and I.

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Was been there almost every time
I met somebody that we opened up

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for.
Pat Travers, like that guy was

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one of my heroes in the bluesy
style of playing, right?

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I always wanted to put emotion
into my playing.

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There's nothing wrong with, like
I put Megadeth in a category of,

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I used to call it typewriter
rock, right?

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And that's really a bad way.
I don't mean that in a bad way.

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I mean it like, you have to be
right on the key all the time.

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You got to be right on the beat.
There's no room for real

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improvisation, right?
I'm not saying their music

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doesn't have a swing or a feel
to it, because it does.

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That's why I love them.
But it's very precise is the

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word I use now.
I like the Pat Travers style of

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looseness, and I tried to
incorporate that into our rock

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music, right?
We were.

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We had an edge to our music.
It wasn't heavy metal, but it

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wasn't Matchbox 20.
You know, we were somewhere in

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between.
One radio rock I got you.

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We we could have easily made it.
On the radio, yeah, we could

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have been ready to rock.
We were more if I had to clarify

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us, we were rock'n'roll, but we
were kind of like arena rock.

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We were because, because I
always kind of say that we were

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Creed before Creed was
discovered, because that's kind

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of how I wrote, right?
We had hooks, we had style, you

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know, we had a little, a little,
we had a little something, you

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know, we, we talked about it
before.

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I think with you, Don, where
we'd come out, we'd play 3 songs

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in a row.
I didn't say shit to the crowd

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and it's just boom, boom, boom.
And then when we're done with

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third song, everybody's just
like, holy shit, we came to see

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this other band and these guys
are the opening act.

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Who did we come to?
See, and they RIP it apart,

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baby.
Because we just, we, we, you

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know, we had the, some of the
bands we opened for, we had to

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like own our space and, and
deliver right up front.

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And then once we did that, once
we busted out that once we

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finished that third song and
everybody takes a big deep

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breath, you can feel the whole
crowd go, oh, wow, that was 3

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songs back, back-to-back.
That was amazing.

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Yeah.
'Cause some of the some of the

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bands talking about are like
Armored St.

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Sacred, right?
Their fans are not so forgiving

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to seeing opening bands right?
So we made sure that like when

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we came out, just like Chris
said, the first 3 songs were

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like we got to beat him over the
head or we're going to lose them

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right away.
You can't come out and play 100

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beat a minute song right off the
bat, and when you're opening for

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a band that.
Yeah, I got you.

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So the night that we played for
with Pat Travers, he was all I

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had The opposite, you know, Like
I had the Don't meet your heroes

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moment because he was all coked
up and didn't want to talk to

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anybody.
I've since forgiven him for that

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because I went down that road
myself.

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I had not.
Been there yet?

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I.
I didn't know what he was going.

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We've been there time.
Yeah, yeah, all, all three of us

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have been there so.
So I'm, I haven't done, I

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haven't done coke, man.
You're a lot.

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Yeah, yeah.
I watched.

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I watched.
Oh, that's cocaine.

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Good.
That that's Crystal.

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Good thing, brother.
Oh, that's freebasing.

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OK.
I had no idea.

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Yeah, Mike didn't.
Mike, when I when I was around,

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Nemo says none of that was going
on with some other bands I was

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in after the fact that I was.
Oh, that's oh, that's what

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freebasing is.
OK, I'm I'm out.

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See.
You yeah, good luck to you.

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So anyway, Mike, to get back to
what you were saying and and

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Chris, you as well, because you
brought up Creed, the difference

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between Creed and Alter Bridge
is one man and it's Miles

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Kennedy and absolutely, yeah,
absolutely.

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Anyway, Miles, like you were
mentioning, Mike, he plays in a

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lower key, but he plays to where
he plays a motion versus Mark.

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Are we talking Miles or Mark?
No, no, Miles.

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OK, I see what you're saying
now.

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And then go, go to Mark Termani.
Yeah, I see it, brother.

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Yeah, I love it, my man.
See the bottom.

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So anyway, Mark.
Mark Termani.

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Yeah, I see it now.
I know you're making me jealous,

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man.
So anyway, Tremonti plays more

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mechanical, so I totally get
what you're talking about.

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Pat Travers.
Yeah.

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I didn't want to ever lose that
Southern rock kind of looseness

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with the double stops and, you
know, just being able to put my

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own flavor on my own music,
right?

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So I didn't have to play the
same solo the same way every

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time.
I would always start it the same

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way.
And I was, I would pretty much

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end it the same way.
And somewhere in the middle it

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would keep you knowing what was
going on.

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But I didn't have to play.
You are correct for no, right,

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Right.
Mark Tremani is one of my

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favorite guitar.
Players.

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Oh, I have you ever met with
you?

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Have you ever met?
No.

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I never had to play he's.
Incredible.

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Did he?
And Chris has told me, Frank

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Sinatra, you did see my piece,
yeah.

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I've listened to all that stuff,
man, because it made me a way

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that, number one, that he was
interested in it and #2 he was

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so good at it.
And and #3 the Frank Sinatra

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folks that run the trust gave
him the blessing to sink.

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Ah, you sucked.
Now he's laying it on thick.

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Yeah, I know.
He's got a lanyard hanging out,

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man.
Afterwards it's Avip Pass.

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I'm jealous.
Of course it was.

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So anyway, yeah, the Frank
Sinatra troupe gave him the

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blessing to do that.
And he, he nails it from fly,

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fly me to the moon.
Right out the gates, fly me to

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the moon.
He does, and that first time I

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heard him doing Sinatra I was
like, shut the fuck up.

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That's not.
Tremonti.

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That's Tremonti.
That's Mark Tremonti, man.

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Here's the squirrel.
Here's another squirrel moment.

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Oh, look at that.
That's.

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Badass dude.
That's that's 35 years old or

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30.
Years old.

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That's awesome dude.
Unbelievable when you guys send

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me.
Yellowed.

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Hey, that's the.
Only one I got.

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The only one I got, brother.
Or you better save it dude.

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This this is the only nemesis
T-shirt I got.

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You got any mic?
I well, I might.

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No, you don't got to say me
anything.

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I'm just kidding, man.
I might.

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That's awesome.
I'm just I'm.

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Just saying that was the only
that was a teacher.

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Like I saved memorabilia from
our time and and really

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ironically enough, the only two
bands I saved shit was was was

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Nemesis and the last one I was
in.

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But that's the thing.
It's just, you know, that was.

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Yeah.
And the Christmas, yeah, I dug,

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I dug back on on that.
And I've seen, I think if I

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remember right, I've seen some
of your stuff live.

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I'm not sure if it's Nemesis or
not.

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You may have seen.
Hair from the council, you have

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a.
Little bit.

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Wow hair.
I don't remember what that fuck?

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Yeah.
Me neither bro, that's why I'm

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wearing a hat.
See, I wasn't.

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In my very, very first band, if
there's.

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Anything out there?
Yeah, you might want?

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You might have got a one of
those shirts for free had you

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come seen us live because he
used to just throw them out.

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Oh, that was bumper stickers.
That's how he got the crowd

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going.
He'd look for the loudest,

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rowdiest person wherever we're
at.

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And yeah.
And throw it down.

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Target them, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, my man, I want to.

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Oh, that's cool.
Now you're just rubbing it in

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team.
That's cool.

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Dude, epic, my man.
Epic.

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When did that come on?
Comic book.

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It's a comic book.
That's even better.

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Dude, that's awesome.
That's so cool.

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It's a it's a it's one day
remains, but they did it comic

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booking.
That's really cool, man.

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Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah.

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Oh yeah, I can see.
So it's it's a four.

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It's a four set, four album set.
Find the real One day remains

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open Vinyl.
Vinyl.

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Yep.
Burn it down.

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Metal Lingus, broken wings And
levering your memory down to my

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last watch your words shed my
skin.

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And the end is here now the end
is here.

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Yeah.
There is a part in that song at

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the four minute 32nd mark.
Listen to it a few times.

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There's a harmonic that Tremonti
does, Yeah.

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I'm telling you, brother.
The dude is I have AI have, I

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have a list, I have a song list
that ties to running a half

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marathon.
And if that song comes on, I

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know I'm 2 songs away from
finishing.

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And I look at the distance and
if I'm not there, I'm like fuck,

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I'm not going to make it.
Hey, man, it it'll fire up your

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kit, man.
You, you, you get Mark kicking

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on the guitar, dude.
It's he's unbelievable, man.

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You mean Scott?
No, Scott.

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Scott's a drummer.
You, you said, yeah, you said

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you had said you get, you get
Mark kicking on the drums.

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Scott's a drummer.
No, he said.

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Guitar.
Oh, I thought he said drums.

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I'm not bad.
I I misheard.

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Hold on, I'll rewind.
Yeah.

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Hey Mike man, we better have his
have his iPods too.

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He's multitasking.
On a level that most people

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can't even imagine, that was
that.

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Was oh, that was a good.
It's a company called Z2 Comics.

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I keep bugging, I keep bugging
Miles and and Tremonti's brother

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to have them come on the show
and they just don't want to talk

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to me.
Yeah, come on, He's a super fan.

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There's that.
No, definitely Mike.

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I'm, I'm with Chris on this.
I'm a super fan with Alter

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Bridge.
I am Gene, Creed and Creed of

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course.
I am too.

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He got me into Alter Bridge.
I hadn't really listened to him

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till we started doing this
podcast and he started talking

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about it.
So I went and downloaded their

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whole catalog and just listened
to it at work till I got

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familiar with it and I.
See it and it's it's legit.

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It's it's the.
They turn into zombies.

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They turn into zombies on the
tour.

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Your wife's going to kick our
booty, Chris.

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You showing all your huh?
Is she there?

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I'm.
Not showing.

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I'm not showing my ass man.
She's at work, dude.

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Yeah, don't show your ass, man.
She's at work.

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This is BG 13 man.
Yeah, PG13.

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Now it gets tagged with explicit
content every.

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Time it gets the big X Oh yeah
so anyway yeah let's let's let's

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talk some eagles yeah talk some
so I.

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I did one of my favorite bands.
Oh I saw the original Hell

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Freezes over tour.
Yeah, I did not.

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I never got to see him.
Mike.

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I spent OK, so let me let me
start this conversation real

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quick.
Yeah, my dad introduced me to

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the Eagles, basically saying if
you want to be a musician,

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listen to the Eagles, the Doors,
Led Zeppelin and The Rolling

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Stones.
Right.

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And The Beatles.
The Beatles is the songwriters

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blueprint.
The Rolling Stones invented what

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we know is straight ahead
rock'n'roll.

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You are correct.
Led Zeppelin advanced on that on

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a level people are still trying
to get me.

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Paige, Baby.
The Eagles, the harmonies, to

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me, I had to know if they could
really do that live, right.

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So when they announced the hell
freezes over to her, I was about

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22 or 23 years old.
They played at Sun Devil

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Stadium.
I paid $100 a ticket in 1993 or

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90. 4 And that's a lot of money
back then, man.

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Yeah, and I was poor so, but I
had to know.

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And when I say that, not only
can they.

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The level delivered.
Oh, my God, The level that they

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can deliver live has only been
matched in my eyes by a few

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other bands.
Pantera was one of them.

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Metallica was one of them.
Yeah.

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The Eagles.
Ted Nugent, Yeah.

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Sweaty teddy baby.
The level of live proficiency in

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their vocals was just
mesmerizing.

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Yeah, my, my dad got to see him.
I think it was, it might have

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been held freezes over.
I think they came to Arrowhead

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and wherever they were, he he
got to see the same tour and

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said the exact same thing, man.
And to hear Don Henley and Joe

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Walsh.
Jesus.

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They talk about feeling.
Unbelievable.

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Dude, he gave him legitimacy.
Sitting here thinking about

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yeah, Pink Shannon, champagne on
ice.

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Oh yeah, something like that.
Enough.

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Enough.
See, my introduction to the

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Eagles was, was.
Oh, fuck.

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Was it the long run?
Was that an album?

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The long run, yeah.
Absolutely.

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OK, that was the first.
That was the first.

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I didn't remember.
It was a song or an album.

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That was my first introduction
to them.

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And then when I was in Illinois,
when I was Illinois over summer,

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I was staying at my uncle's
house and uncle's house, and I

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was in the basement and he had
all his cassettes and stuff on

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an entertainment center.
And I was going through it one

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day.
Because it's farm farmland.

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What are you fucking doing in
the farmland?

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And I found, I found the
cassette and I listened to it.

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I forget what album it was,
whatever album Desperado was on.

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But when Desperado came on.
I had that holy.

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Shit and like, holy shit, like
this is bad ass.

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And I was older than I was.
I don't know, maybe maybe.

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Yeah, it was it was eighth
grade, 8th to 9th grade.

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And I was like, wow, I didn't
because I had the long run when

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I was a kid, like 8 or nine
years old.

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And that's why I love the song
on that.

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I think the long run has in the
city.

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Is that right?
Yeah.

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So that you and I have talked
about that Mike.

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That song was been always been
one of my favorites just because

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the way the way it builds up,
you know, but the beginning and

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then when you tie them and then
when you tie, when you tie the

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movie to the warriors to it at
the ending scene where they, you

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know, when we come to the, the
the ocean, we're home.

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And then they climb over that
that Ridge of dirt, and there's

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the ocean and the thing that
that note hits on the drums and

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just boom.
You hear that opening riff?

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Right.
Yep, Yep.

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It's magic, man.
It's magic.

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And then Don Henley's solo stuff
I thought was pretty legit too.

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Yeah, yeah.
No question, Chris, Definitely.

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Yeah.
Don Henley's solo stuff is

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attic.
He strikes me as a fucking prick

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though.
I'm just saying as an individual

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human.
Yeah, I don't know.

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I'm busy.
I don't.

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I don't.
Think he he doesn't look very

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approachable at all.
He never know.

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You know, maybe he's got male
resting bitch face.

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Yeah, and the fact that they
were the house band for Linda

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Ronstadt for years, you know, a
lot of people, a lot of people

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00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,840
don't know that, right?
That they were the the house

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band for Linda Ronstadt and
decision musicians and shit.

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That's how they got so good at
what they did, you know?

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So where do you want to go next,
Garth, bro, you want to go

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Garth?
We can go Garth.

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Garth changed the face of
country music.

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No, he changed everything.
Yeah, well, he yeah, country

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music, Yeah, he definitely
changed face country, but he

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opened it up for pop, rock
country, which is not a good

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thing.
Well, he took all the ideas from

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Kisses Arena Rock Show and
turned it into a country arena.

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Rock show.
He did.

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He did he.
Took it straight.

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Out Gene and he Gene Fockett,
man, Yeah.

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Gene.
Price.

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And he says I was a good fan.
It's not something he tried to

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hide, though he said he admitted
it.

452
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,320
I'm a huge KISS fan.
So anyway, have you seen him?

453
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,240
Oh yeah, I've.
Never seen him.

454
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:07,840
I've seen Garth twice in Vegas,
twice here in KC, and every time

455
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,720
twice.
I'm sorry.

456
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,240
Well, I think.
Nick and I have seen him twice.

457
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:19,520
Yeah, so and every time it's
just been a big long sing along

458
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:25,120
and and I love that part, you
know, even with, you know, his

459
00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:31,640
sly guitarist may miss a cue,
miss a key, His drummer may miss

460
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,520
a key.
But you don't know it unless

461
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,400
you're unless you're a musician.
Well, I can hear you recognize

462
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:38,440
that shit.
No, I can hear you.

463
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,560
I know, but for the for the most
part those person most.

464
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,440
Yeah, most people wouldn't have.
This person's not picking that

465
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,360
shit up, no.
And there's and there's.

466
00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:48,600
There's no, there's no, there's
no show that's flawless.

467
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,480
Look, don't, don't be.
Don't be fool, boys and girls.

468
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,600
There's a there's a, there's a
chink in the armor somewhere at

469
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,480
Everything will show that every
single show that's ever played

470
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,400
by any band because it's just,
it's how it is.

471
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,160
Unless what?
And that's why I love live.

472
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,600
Yes, live.
If you go to a live show and

473
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,680
it's flawless, right, what's the
problem with that show?

474
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,560
Yeah.
It's it's not, it's not live,

475
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:14,560
correct?
Yeah, thank you.

476
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,200
It's not what I was looking for.
You got it.

477
00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:19,960
And Mike?
Yeah, it's being studio track.

478
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,640
Well, him and I know we've
played thousands of shows.

479
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,200
None of them were perfect.
Right.

480
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,440
No.
That's why I love live music.

481
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,160
Absolutely.
But the audience thinks they're

482
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,760
perfect, even the people who've
seen this.

483
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,560
Probably 100 times.
Right.

484
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:34,840
But you just don't.
You don't.

485
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,440
If you're an audience and you're
and you love a music regardless,

486
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,840
you you're going to notice
subtle, subtle variances in a

487
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,320
band's show because you're just
not.

488
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:44,840
You're too.
You're too engaged in what's

489
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:45,960
going on.
Hell.

490
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,040
You know, we get, we can step to
the next band, ACDC.

491
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,880
Oh my God, I think I had the
pleasure of seeing them.

492
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:54,520
Yeah, me too.
I just.

493
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,400
I never saw him.
Oh.

494
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:57,920
Chris, I know.
I'm sorry.

495
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,880
Perfection, brother.
It's not because he didn't want

496
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,280
to.
That's why I'm not destiny.

497
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,240
He would have let somebody off
man I.

498
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,480
I'll flip you the hundred a
hundred if you want to be man.

499
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,280
Whatever, man.
No, no, I'm good.

500
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,440
It's not like he doesn't like
ACDC.

501
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,680
I'd hammer you for that.
So anyway, we give back to Jinx

502
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,280
and the armor, you know, I've
even seen Angus.

503
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,360
You, you know, Angus, he plays
like Mike when I was talking

504
00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:27,320
about Loose.
He plays emotional, not

505
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:32,000
mechanical, and I've heard him
miss notes, you know?

506
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,280
That's what happens when you
that.

507
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,920
Way of playing instead of an E
by accident.

508
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:39,320
That way of playing is
dangerous, Don.

509
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:41,800
That's why I love it, right?
You're going to make mistakes,

510
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,000
but you're also going to do,
you're going to do what I call

511
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,160
happy accidents, right?
I stole that from Bob Ross.

512
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,280
I got his little bobblehead.
I love Bob Ross.

513
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,160
Dude so.
When you play loose as a guitar

514
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,280
player, you make what I like to
call happy accidents more than

515
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,720
you make mistakes to the point
where you're jamming along and

516
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,880
everything's predictable and all
of a sudden you as the player

517
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,320
go, wow, what was that?
That was awesome.

518
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,360
Right.
Yep, that works.

519
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:16,480
That's how Angus plays.
It's that loose and kind of, you

520
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,240
know, behind the beat ever so
slightly and what's going to

521
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,240
happen next, you know?
Well, and Angus, you know, he

522
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,160
goes out.
I don't know if you've watched

523
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:32,160
any of the videos of Reese sort
similar reason, but you know,

524
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,720
he's picking it out on that
thrust that goes out and to the

525
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,000
crowd and he's doing his kick,
you know, doing the Angus thing

526
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,880
and you know you're you're bound
to miss a goddamn string.

527
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,040
Come on man.
Yeah, he's basically doing the

528
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,040
Chuck Berry Duck walk.
Yeah, definitely.

529
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:56,400
It's hard at the same.
Time, duck, walk that big man.

530
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,920
That is exactly right.
Did you ever, Jake?

531
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:06,880
Here's another band that I saw 9
or 10 times because the first

532
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,040
time that I saw him talk about a
sing along.

533
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:14,880
Did you ever see Steve Miller?
Yes, I I saw Steve Miller at

534
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:21,080
they used to have a a big
festival in Kansas City at the

535
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:26,000
Liberty Memorial.
It's World War One National

536
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,840
Museum.
OK, now I want to ask you a

537
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,760
question about that concert.
Yeah.

538
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,400
Here's what blew me away because
Steve Miller's recordings and

539
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,440
it's very important when your
music was recorded for a lot of

540
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,640
people, right?
Led Zeppelin is an except

541
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,880
exception to the rule in that
Jimmy Page was a studio master

542
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,840
long before anybody else was.
Unbelievable.

543
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,120
What blew me away about Steve
Miller was the drumming is

544
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,880
outstanding in his band, but it
never gets portrayed in the

545
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,640
album the way it should.
Right, Because they didn't have

546
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:57,360
Studio.
Musician.

547
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,000
Yeah, well, no, they didn't have
the recording capabilities to

548
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,480
make the drum sound big and.
Fat Yeah Megan 5 right to Megan

549
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,000
Pop, his drummer.
Blew me away, Don.

550
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,120
Well, isn't it?
Isn't Steve Miller's godfather

551
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,160
Les Paul?
Yeah, yes, OK.

552
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,280
Yeah, I'm pretty sure we looked
that up one time on the podcast

553
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,960
to make sure that was true.
Yeah, yeah.

554
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,680
I just went and talked 20. 1000
people were louder than the band

555
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,040
about 80% of the time because
everybody knows every word to

556
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,160
everyone.
Every Steve Miller song.

557
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:33,520
You You are correct, so do I.
Well, it's like John Mellencamp,

558
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,640
Mike and I sound I was just.
Getting ready to go there,

559
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,040
brother.
So yeah, killer man.

560
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,000
He's he's a bad motor scooter
man.

561
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,320
Yeah, and here's here's the
here's the story about

562
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,000
Mellencamp life, Mike.
And I've talked about this lot

563
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,320
'cause it's fucking amazing.
It is.

564
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,360
So Drummer Kenny's back to
Drummond, right?

565
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,640
Yep.
And you can hear him break his

566
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,920
snare.
OK, He's he breaks his.

567
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,320
Snare.
By the time you right, but by

568
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,800
the time he brings his hand back
up and drops back down, his drum

569
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,960
tech already swapped out.
God damn, that's a good tech

570
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,480
dude.
And and Mike and I, no shit.

571
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,000
Mike and I were at the show.
We both taught it and and and

572
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:12,080
like and like both.
You want to talk about a tight

573
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,200
band and and less.
Than a beat that guy swapped

574
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,360
that snare out.
That's amazing.

575
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,440
And it's not like, it's not like
he's just, I mean, it was, I

576
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,920
forgot what song it was.
But that And then later in that

577
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,640
show, the house lights come on
and Mellencamp stacks back from

578
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,120
the microphone and the entire
crowd just sings the song back

579
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:30,880
to him.
Yep.

580
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,680
That's that's that's that's.
And then he bowed back to the

581
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,200
crowd.
It was so cool.

582
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,520
Yeah.
And I've seen him probably twice

583
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,920
since and the last one was
absolutely so bad on that team

584
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,200
again.
Let's not get off.

585
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,440
I gotta find out I'm.
Sorry, 'cause I, yeah, you're

586
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,040
good, you're good.
That's not your fault.

587
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,080
It's his fault.
He sounds like shit.

588
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,640
He smells too much.
He's did his.

589
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,800
It destroyed his voice.
Yeah, he should have stepped

590
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:53,560
away from the.
Cigarette.

591
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,720
OK, so this is actually he just
released this statement within

592
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,640
the last week because he's going
back out on.

593
00:30:58,640 --> 00:30:59,640
Tour.
I know, I talk.

594
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,800
About real, raw and relevant
again, right, Right.

595
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,000
His quote is I was playing to
20,000 people and everybody was

596
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,320
drunk and I was just kind of the
cheerleader.

597
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,400
I just thought, I'm here to be a
musician.

598
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,480
This is not being a musician.
This is being a fucking clown.

599
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,080
I don't want to be a fucking
clown.

600
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,640
So what is your guys's opinion?
Nah.

601
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:25,280
On And Chris Knows Mine, if you
have written songs that spoke to

602
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,720
a generation and now it
transcended to another

603
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:34,120
generation, to another
generation, you owe those fans

604
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,400
the same performance that Chris
and I saw in 1993 or 4 where

605
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,120
people were dancing in the
aisles.

606
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,040
I get goosebumps every time I
think about standing next to him

607
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,080
at that show.
It's the same experience I had

608
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,560
with Scott at ZZ Top.
I did not expect.

609
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:50,960
I knew they were going to be
good.

610
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:52,760
I didn't know they were going to
change my life.

611
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,520
There's certain changes right
there.

612
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,360
And that Mellencamp show and
Mike and I agree.

613
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,200
And I've told this 1000 times
when I'm asked what's the when

614
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,120
somebody asked you what was the
most entertaining concert you've

615
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,800
ever been to, It's a loaded
question because there's so

616
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,360
many.
But that show that Mellencamp

617
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,240
did by far from an entertainment
standpoint, I'm not talking

618
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,200
about the musician.
I'm not talking about the the

619
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,160
songs.
I'm not talking.

620
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,760
About the history and the
catalog of the music.

621
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,320
Just that moment time, pure
entertainment.

622
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:24,320
I'm here, Rock'n'roll show.
We're still talking about it 35

623
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,200
years later, like we were there
yesterday.

624
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,680
Right.
And then Garth Brooks has that

625
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,480
from a country level standpoint,
if the the most entertaining

626
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,320
country song, country concert
I've ever been to.

627
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,320
And he did it in Phoenix at the
at where the Suns play.

628
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,680
I forget what it's called now,
but he was doing he was doing

629
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,600
back-to-back shows.
He was doing 2 shows a night.

630
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,360
Yep.
He was doing he was doing a 6:00

631
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,920
played for three hours and then
came back on, I think, yeah.

632
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,360
And then came back on an hour
later and played and we got we

633
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,520
caught the second show and it
was fucking, it was

634
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,680
unbelievable.
Just unbelievable.

635
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,840
Just unbelievable.
Let let's step back to what Mike

636
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,480
was reading.
I'll step into Aaron Lewis.

637
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:17,560
He he's got an an angelic voice
and when he performs when he's

638
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:23,600
on and not yelling at the crowd,
right good, top notch.

639
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:29,160
But I won't, will not go see him
just because of what Mike just

640
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,680
read, because he doesn't
appreciate the people that put

641
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:38,080
him on that stage.
Thank you the Jeez, thank you,

642
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,200
you know, which is, which is why
the gracious musician we talked

643
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,080
about this with Lemoyne
Alexander, who was in who was a,

644
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,000
who was a rap, a rap producer in
the 90s and he's attached to

645
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,680
every rap artist you can think
of in the 90s.

646
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,960
No, no joke, think of a 90s rap
artist.

647
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,160
Lemoyne was was attached to him
in some way, shape and form.

648
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,440
It's the same way the more
gracious and humble the musician

649
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,880
is, the the longer and more
loved they are.

650
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,280
The If you're a fucking asshole,
you're going to talk about them

651
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,200
being an asshole as opposed to
any other thing.

652
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,080
Oh, here's a three three fold
easy.

653
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,239
Here's here's a great.
Quick example, and we won't name

654
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,440
names because you know we're
above that, but Chris just named

655
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,840
a name because Lemoyne has come
on here twice with platinum

656
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,480
albums hanging.
Behind.

657
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,520
He has no reason to talk to
Chris and Mike, right?

658
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,840
No, no, he couldn't have been
more gracious.

659
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,280
Another example.
Here's A.

660
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:37,360
Here's another example.
So Option B is a young and up

661
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,719
and coming artist who is an
incredible guitar player and

662
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,920
probably going to make it, but
hasn't made it yet.

663
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,800
They don't have the platinum
mountains hanging behind them,

664
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,480
right?
And they were too busy and too

665
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,440
good to talk to us, right?
And that's fine.

666
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,360
Move on.
That's, you know, that's sad.

667
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:58,800
But it's what I would, I would
like to tell that kid, right.

668
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,560
You need to follow the Moines
example in that he's been there,

669
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,760
done that, has no reason to talk
to us, has the money in the bank

670
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:11,000
still making the music and was
as joyous to be on here.

671
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,440
As you are right now, forget his
roots and that that's why I

672
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:19,240
brought up Tech 9, because Tech
is from Tech 9 is from Kansas

673
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:24,480
City.
And every label told him no, not

674
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,000
too fast.
Now he ain't going to make it.

675
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:34,480
So he started his own label and
he's huge.

676
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,440
I mean, look up Tech 9 on
YouTube and he's never worked.

677
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,560
Yeah.
And sometimes that's what you

678
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,080
have to do.
That's what we're doing here,

679
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,040
right?
Nobody came and knocked on our

680
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,360
door and said, hey, would you
guys do a podcast and interview

681
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,480
some people?
So we started our own, right?

682
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,040
Yeah.
You dance right I.

683
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,360
Don't know why they you know
they.

684
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,480
Didn't I never started their own
podcast?

685
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,640
Oh, the Kelsey brothers.
Started fuck the Kelsey brothers

686
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,640
man.
I am so I am so tired of the

687
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,000
Kelsey Brothers man and you.
Want to know why?

688
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,040
You want to know why?
I'm going to tell you why.

689
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,560
I'm going to tell you why Jason
Kelsey is nothing without his

690
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,880
brother.
Jason Kelsey was just a Sinner

691
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,840
on her football team until
Travis started Taste.

692
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,160
Taste until Travis started
dating Taylor Swift.

693
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,360
Haters, you can hate, but it's a
fact.

694
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,880
Nobody fucking talked about
Jason Kelsey.

695
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,040
No, nobody.
Nobody talked about Jason.

696
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,320
No, but don't think about it.
Tell me if I'm wrong.

697
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,200
Nobody talked about Jason Kelsey
until Travis started dating

698
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,400
Taylor.
The only reason Jason Kelsey's

699
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:34,880
on a pregame is because of his
brother.

700
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,440
The only reason Jason Kelsey's
on commercials is because of his

701
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,320
brother.
The only reason Jason Kelsey's

702
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,720
got a podcast is because of his
brother, which is fine, but you

703
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:46,280
cannot tell me that if Travis
did never, if Travis never dated

704
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,120
Taylor Swift, you would not have
the conversation as relevant

705
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,840
with Jason and and Travis
Kelsey.

706
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,440
Travis Kelsey.
Hold on.

707
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,960
I know, hold on, hold on.
Travis Kelsey is a badass

708
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,880
motherfucker tied in this first
four years in the NFL.

709
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,320
He was like, motherfucker, get
out of my way, I'm running you

710
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,200
over.
Get a great football player

711
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,840
100%.
But because of his dating with

712
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,440
Taylor Swift #1 it kind of, it
kind of tilted the NFL viewers.

713
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,600
It skewed things big time.
And it tilted the NFL

714
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,760
viewership, which is fine.
Women can love football, that

715
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,040
kind of jazz.
I'm not saying that.

716
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,240
But it changed the way
football's perceived.

717
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:21,320
It turned it into drama.
It turned into a reality show

718
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,880
Was before football.
First hard knock shows the

719
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:25,960
behind.
The scenes, right?

720
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,040
Right, that's what I'm saying.
That's football.

721
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,040
I love it.
That's when somebody hits this

722
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,960
hot button issue.
But that's but that's, and

723
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,600
that's what I'm saying, Don, But
because what the world decided

724
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,360
that, Oh, we pay attention to
Travis and and Taylor, it

725
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,240
changed everything and it
changed and and it changed

726
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:46,560
everything in a negative way
because look at the NFL now as

727
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:47,720
opposed to what was five years
ago.

728
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,680
Microscope.
Exactly.

729
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,760
Which is fucking bullshit.
It's a fucking game.

730
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,160
You go play the game, you hit
people, you light them up.

731
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,000
Now there's people the the
referees suck so bad now that

732
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,160
that's the conversation you have
Tuesday morning instead of about

733
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,000
the game.
You're not talking about the

734
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,600
game.
Here's the thing I'm going to

735
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,880
agree with you on.
OK, for four years he looked

736
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,920
like and no, no, no, no.
That's I love it when somebody

737
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,080
hits your hot button.
Issues, man, I think we hit this

738
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,560
hot button, Mike.
That's why people love listening

739
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,840
to this show.
Sometimes you hit my hot button

740
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,360
issues, sometimes you're going
to hit his.

741
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:26,120
One thing I'll agree with him on
is there's the potential that

742
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,040
you would have said Travis
Kelsey was one of the best tight

743
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,560
ends to ever play the game for
four years and then he would

744
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,200
have faded into existence,
right?

745
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,680
That potential for his timeline
was possible.

746
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,120
I'm not going to disagree with
Chris on that, right.

747
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:46,200
So what you said, Don, is the
dating of the superstar

748
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,760
definitely skewed him to be a
superstar, maybe longer than he

749
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,240
would have otherwise, right?
Right.

750
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,080
Because this year, this year,
would you have talked about

751
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,920
Travis Kelsey?
No, no, he had an off here and

752
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,800
it's and it excuse the reason
he's a superstar.

753
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,240
He should be known for football,
not for who he dates, period.

754
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:09,640
I don't care who you on the NFL
or or in in basketball or in

755
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,920
baseball for that matter, or
hockey, the Olympics, it it

756
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,320
doesn't matter who you date,
man.

757
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,840
It's what you do on the field.
It's it's what you're known for.

758
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,360
You're this person, you're
Travis healthy.

759
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,480
This motherfucker.
Leave the.

760
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,800
Grill.
Of right, right, without the,

761
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,720
without the Super Bowls, he's
still getting in the Hall of

762
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:26,680
Fame because he has the numbers
and he's produced.

763
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,880
Year and year and year.
Until this year.

764
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,200
Kind of like Aaron Rodgers
didn't do shit this year.

765
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,880
Aaron Rodgers should have left
when he blew his knee out in

766
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,840
Dent in in New York and just
called it a day.

767
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,520
I'm done.
Russell Wilson's going to

768
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:37,520
continue playing.
What's he doing?

769
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:40,360
He's tainting his legacy.
He's taking away his his second

770
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:41,840
ballot Hall of Famer.
Come on, Josh Allen.

771
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,720
Josh Allen is a new Dan.
Dan Marino he is.

772
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,000
New fans, huh?
He is.

773
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,560
Look at him, he can't get past
the first round of games.

774
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:56,000
Like maybe I was pulling for
Chris, I was pulling for.

775
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,640
Him I was too.
I like Josh.

776
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:01,240
With my G2 now, he's always a
bride.

777
00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:03,360
That's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying though,

778
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,920
with the Chiefs gone, this was
this was Josh Allen.

779
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,600
All all anybody talks about is
the referees fucking up that

780
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:15,200
call and talking about how Josh
Allen and how Josh Allen right

781
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:17,360
and how Josh Allen cried
afterwards and how Sean

782
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:18,920
McDermott, I was standing up for
my team.

783
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,480
That's why you got fired.
Sean McDermott shut the fuck up

784
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,800
your coach.
You take the good and the bad.

785
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,480
You were on the wrong side of it
this year.

786
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:26,480
You're alongside of it last
year.

787
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,280
So be it.
The referees are inconsistent to

788
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,320
the point that they're going to
call the game the first 2-3

789
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,480
quarters touching, grab,
handling, you know, oh, blocking

790
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,480
the hand and shit.
Then it comes last five minutes,

791
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,960
fourth quarter, you do this.
Oh God fucking flag.

792
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,280
You got to call the game
consistent from the beginning to

793
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:43,040
the end.
Period if.

794
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,280
You're going to let them hand
fight?

795
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,240
Right.
If you let them hand fight in

796
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:47,720
the first quarter, they're
fucking hand fighting in the

797
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:49,040
fourth quarter because it's not
fair.

798
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,800
It's going to go one way or the
other.

799
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,800
I.
Agree with you, and here's why.

800
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,240
Because I watch college
basketball as much as I watch

801
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:57,800
the NFL, right?
And the one thing.

802
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,480
That, I want to say, is
basketball too, Mike.

803
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,720
OK, so I'm a Hawks.
Fan tell me if I'm wrong here.

804
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,120
When you watch a college
basketball game, to Chris's

805
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:13,880
point, there will be games,
especially in what do I want to

806
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,760
say, the Big East?
There's a lot of that's like a a

807
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,520
contact game.
It's East Coast.

808
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,320
Maybe they're.
Physical.

809
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,920
So if you start watching a game
and they're allowing them to be

810
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,880
super physical the whole game's
that way they don't change at

811
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,520
half time and say, OK, now we're
going to call the game tighter.

812
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,080
They do do that in football.
I agree with Christian Bates.

813
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:36,560
Bullshit.
And then?

814
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,920
And then, and then when it comes
to the playoffs, you'll, you'll,

815
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,760
you'll hear it this season when
it comes to the playoffs, the,

816
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,720
the commentators will make the
statement that they, all the

817
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:45,360
referees said they're going to
let them play today.

818
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,480
Well, fuck you, dude.
You can't do that.

819
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,000
They're used to playing a
certain way all year long.

820
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,960
It becomes muscle memory.
I cannot touch.

821
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,880
I cannot go around this way.
If my head's not, if my head's

822
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,520
not turned around, I'm going to
get flagged.

823
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,440
You can't change it.
That's the biggest problem with

824
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,080
the officiating is it's
inconsistent.

825
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,920
And that then lingers to it,
takes you to the fact that

826
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,720
people think it's rigged, which
I go back to Would Tom Brady

827
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:11,920
really let Eli Manning be his
bitch twice?

828
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,680
Then they go back to betting and
then yeah, and then.

829
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:17,080
Right, but that's then that's
the problem with allowing

830
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,160
betting in the in.
In football you can't.

831
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,640
That's what happened when they
open up betting like they have.

832
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,240
So you'll appreciate this.
I'm going to segue you all the

833
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:26,440
way back to music.
That's the same.

834
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,280
Come on.
That's the no.

835
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:29,880
That's the same.
Not football.

836
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,280
It's the same bait and.
Switch, it's all good, man.

837
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:34,600
That's what we, that's what we
do.

838
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,280
I hear what he's saying.
That's the same bait and switch

839
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,760
as John Mellencamp writing all
those great songs.

840
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,520
And then you're going to see him
play them live and he strips

841
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,800
them down to an acoustic set and
he plays them at a different

842
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,520
tempo and in a different key.
Because to Chris's point, he

843
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,080
smoked way too much and he Can't
Sing the way he used to or bring

844
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,280
that same energy as I sit here
and smoke and I'll understand,

845
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,600
but I'm not a singer, OK?
That's true.

846
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,960
So this gets back to your
Mellencamp story, Mike.

847
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,440
We had Rob Zombie here one year.
I saw him too.

848
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,360
Yeah.
And I've seen I've.

849
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,240
Seen the full on Rob and the
stripped down Rob well.

850
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,360
He was naked.
You saw Rob.

851
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,560
Zombie.
I haven't seen him No, no share

852
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:24,480
a moon maybe but no I just
kidding.

853
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:31,720
Anyway, yeah, he showed up and
our our rock station was

854
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:37,200
anticipating the full on Rob
Zombie full show with the pyro

855
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,480
and everything.
Now he showed up with the

856
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,480
guitar.
That was that.

857
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,080
I was like, what The Nothing,
nothing around.

858
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,320
I'm like what's?
This man, this.

859
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,080
Fucking no, no, no.
What's this dog down?

860
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,640
There so much man, I couldn't.
No, no, no.

861
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:50,840
I have a squirrel moment.
I was.

862
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,400
Do you hear the background?
Yes.

863
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,720
Now, like, what the hell is
that?

864
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,440
It's a street sweeper.
It's a.

865
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:56,040
St.
Sweeper.

866
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,560
Oh yeah, I can hear it.
Are they in your backyard?

867
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,600
Yep, I can hear you.
There's a street sweeper.

868
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,440
In your backyard.
In my front yard.

869
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,400
Weren't they sweeping up pine
cones in Arizona?

870
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,480
I don't know what the hell
there's a street sweeper.

871
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,480
What a thought.
In a in a rural neighborhood

872
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:14,720
they got a fucking sweet
sweeper.

873
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,680
Is that the first?
Time you've ever get in the

874
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,880
stand off the street.
I've watched this or I've seen

875
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,560
it every now and then like after
like like when major storms and

876
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,960
shit, but not in the middle of
fucking 1130.

877
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,320
On a Friday, man.
It's the middle afternoon, dude.

878
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,640
You know nice blue skies and you
know it's supposed to rain

879
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,360
tomorrow.
Not like it's doing in your

880
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,640
neck.
Now I've ate Chris.

881
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:41,480
I fired up.
I had to go get 40 in one premix

882
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,120
for my snow blower and I fired
up.

883
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:49,040
Now, I hadn't fired the damn
thing up in three years, so I'm

884
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,080
surprised it worked.
I, I told Mike to get his.

885
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,720
We have, we have similar leaf
blowers, hurricane strength leaf

886
00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:55,400
blowers.
I got one.

887
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,840
I told him I want him, I want
him blow in the snow with a leaf

888
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,840
blower and I want a video of it.
I want a video mount saying with

889
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,440
the snow.
Backpack I told him I got.

890
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,880
Yeah, no.
I told him I had the backpack.

891
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:07,800
I don't.
Have a backpack.

892
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,640
I don't have a backpack.
I told him I got to get somebody

893
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,640
to shoot the video because it's
hard to video yourself and blow.

894
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,920
Yeah, yeah.
But you have, but you live near

895
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:17,920
a family.
You just have steel.

896
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:18,600
Come on.
What are you doing?

897
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:19,800
Steel?
Nothing.

898
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,520
Come over here, man.
No, this camera.

899
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,480
Hold my phone.
He'll hold my phone while I blow

900
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:25,960
the snow.
Chris wants a video.

901
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,160
He'll do it.
And then we're going to, and

902
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,080
we're going to put it up on the
Instagram page, you know, and

903
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,560
then I'll do it in and then I'll
do it in Arizona and there'll be

904
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,000
no snow.
I'll do one of ours.

905
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,680
Honestly have side by side.
Yeah, everything stops in

906
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,840
Arizona when it snows.
He sent me his horrible weather

907
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,520
forecast.
Last night, Don.

908
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,120
Yeah.
My forecast, Yeah, yeah, go

909
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,200
ahead.
Before we get to to off topic.

910
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,000
Yeah, that's fine.
I love Off Topic.

911
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:56,560
Works for me anyway.
Talking here.

912
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,680
Let's talk metallic they are.
Metallic Hey man, brother.

913
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:07,760
Quite possibly kidding my I know
you are bro OK my favorite band

914
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:17,440
ever When when I first heard
Metallica it was on Buddy of

915
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,520
mine had it on on cassette in
his.

916
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,120
I heard ride the light.
See this I like.

917
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,320
Yeah, it was Ride the Light.
Might have been Ride the Light.

918
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,760
OK, And I'm going, you know, I
was all in the Lynyrd Skinner

919
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,720
back then, right?
In 70s bands and Manny, he fires

920
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:36,320
up some Metallica.
I'm going, what the fuck is this

921
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,720
man?
Man, I'm telling you it

922
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,600
Metallica changed my life, and
me too.

923
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:43,600
Was that the?
Was?

924
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,720
Was that?
Was that the gateway to your?

925
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:47,840
To your, your your down, down
what?

926
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,320
That's your puppet, What are you
talking about?

927
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,640
No, no, I'm just asking you if
I'm not, if Metallica.

928
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,440
No, no, no, I'm no.
I want to know if Metallica.

929
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,080
Listen to Metallica.
Was was was Open the door to

930
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:04,760
your chaos in life.
No, okay, no, to answer your

931
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,360
question.
Okay, good, good.

932
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:08,880
I wanted to.
I want people to understand

933
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,400
musics, not an influence on
human behavior.

934
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,400
That's why I not at all.
No, okay, thank you.

935
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:17,840
They kept me for.
People who think so, Well, no,

936
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:18,760
but there's people to think
that.

937
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,160
That's why I asked that.
Because we, we, we all know your

938
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,360
background.
We all know you've been there,

939
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:23,720
done that.
But that's because you

940
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:25,520
introduced to that song.
That's why I wanted to just, I

941
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,520
wanted to put those two pieces
together and you answered the

942
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:28,840
question.
Probably they didn't drive you

943
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,400
to a life of crime.
Right, That's my point.

944
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:32,400
That's my point.
I'm.

945
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,040
Glad you brought that up man.
Yeah, because Tipper Gore would

946
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,280
have said otherwise.
Yeah.

947
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:37,480
That's the fact.
If you were.

948
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,360
Listening to Metallica.
You became a friend who was

949
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:39,880
coming back.
Hold.

950
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:45,200
On Hey, somebody, somebody
should have put a rag in her

951
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,800
head, but.
So when is the first time that

952
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,720
you got to see him live, Don?
It would be it.

953
00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:58,120
Was 1980. 8 for me 1986 he
opened up for or Metallica

954
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:04,360
opened up for Ozzy on the
ultimate Centaur 86 baby and.

955
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,640
Shut the front door.
Yeah, he had to kick him off

956
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:07,920
that.
That's the real deal, man.

957
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,040
Well, I heard that.
I heard they had to kick him off

958
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,440
the tour because they were they
were disrupting his crowd.

959
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,720
Yeah, he was too.
They were too good.

960
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:20,320
They were too good.
Wow and Ozzy Ban, you know

961
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:21,960
you're.
Talking Aussie well back then.

962
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,040
Ozzy, he was just coming out of
a rough.

963
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:26,640
Period.
This was 86.

964
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:27,560
You are correct.
Yeah.

965
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,480
And you know, he's sweating on
the stage and doing Ozzy back

966
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,840
and forth and but Metallica just
crushed it.

967
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,840
It was on Master of Puppets, by
the way.

968
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:38,880
Yep.
And they had, they had the

969
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:43,520
master of puppets, the all the
guard behind no.

970
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,400
Epic.
So, so here's why I want to go

971
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,720
with Metallica and, and, and I'm
not disenlarged for what he did

972
00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:53,600
with with Napster because now
you know what, 30 years later,

973
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,000
large and the important, we
understand the important.

974
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,080
Well, we understand the
importance of.

975
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,080
Doing it is important, you are
correct.

976
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,320
But Metallica was not played, my
man.

977
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,760
Metallica was not played on the
radio, right?

978
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:06,440
No.
OK.

979
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:07,480
Well, other than.
Shine there.

980
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,640
But hold on though.
Metallica was not played on the

981
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,680
radio on a whole.
So the way Metallica grew in in

982
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,520
fans and in in in sales was
bootlegs.

983
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,920
Kids would copy, kids would
record the shows they would they

984
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,400
would they would record their
cassette tapes and then start

985
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,920
selling their friends and shit.
That's how Metallica climbed out

986
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,120
of the gutter of of a garage
band to where they are.

987
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,760
So the irony of what Large did,
again, I'm not slamming Large

988
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,680
because what he did was was
needed to be done and he was

989
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,760
totally right.
But it it seemed ironic to me at

990
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,120
the time that Large is going
after somebody who's allowing

991
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,160
bootlegging and music when the
reason they got where they were

992
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,080
is because of bootlegging.
Music.

993
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,160
I'm so glad that you brought
that up, Chris, because we did

994
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,600
not make that point the last
time that we talked about this.

995
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:59,120
And that is such an important
point to the reason that people

996
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,120
revolted against Metallica.
Because if you're old enough,

997
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,040
like the three of us are to have
been there from the beginning,

998
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:12,160
that band would not have existed
if somebody had not handed one

999
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,040
of us a cassette of No Life,
Tell Leather or Ride the

1000
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,160
Lightning or whatever.
You know, people were copying

1001
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,400
and handing out.
There was no radio play until

1002
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,840
MTV came along and played one.
And now you're talking 1988,

1003
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,000
right?
They started in 1981.

1004
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,440
Yep.
So it was almost 10 years later

1005
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,160
before the music ever got to be
on any kind of media that the

1006
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,040
average person that would see
that's such an important point.

1007
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,640
And the other cool thing about
that, I remember Metallica

1008
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,280
basically staying from their
camp because you you again, but

1009
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:47,440
back in the day were MTV took
that mysterious away from you as

1010
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:48,800
a viewer, as a listener.
You.

1011
00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:50,720
Can see your rock heroes in
front of you.

1012
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:53,200
Metallica made a point.
Their camp anyway, that we're

1013
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,640
never going to be in our videos.
So when they finally show up in

1014
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,000
the videos, I was like, come on
man.

1015
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,000
Like you said, you weren't going
to do that and now you're doing

1016
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,000
that.
I I like the fact that one was

1017
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,040
one without the band in it at
all.

1018
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,280
Yeah, there was just there's two
versions.

1019
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,800
They got the version that has
them and then they have the one

1020
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,560
that's based on the Johnny's got
his gun or Johnny got his.

1021
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,560
Gun right, well, that's the one
I'm related to because I never

1022
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,320
saw the other one when for
whatever reason if they had two

1023
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,280
out at the same time, I only saw
the Johnny got a gun version.

1024
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:20,280
I never I.
Never.

1025
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,520
They have a jam in version where
they're in a warehouse.

1026
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,080
It's it's in black and white
just like the other one.

1027
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,360
OK.
Well, yeah, so, but yeah,

1028
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,080
that's, I mean, that's the whole
point I want to bring when you

1029
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,120
brought up Metallica, I mean,
yeah, I first time I saw

1030
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,560
Metallica was with the the, the
Phoenix International Raceway.

1031
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,160
It was with the Guns and Roses
where they were torn together

1032
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,880
and Metallica fucking destroyed
Metallica destroyed.

1033
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,440
Guns and Roses actually was an
hour and a half.

1034
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,440
Late, I would agree.
But yeah, Metallica just they

1035
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:48,840
destroy.
Everyone life.

1036
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,080
And I wasn't even close to this
stage like we were.

1037
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,320
It was such a mad, I mean, you
know, 100,000 people and I'm

1038
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,680
probably in the, you know, the
80 thousandth row.

1039
00:51:57,720 --> 00:52:02,200
And it's just like it's from all
the way back there.

1040
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:03,600
It's.
Just it's and you're in the damn

1041
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:04,880
nether, man.
It's hotter than.

1042
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,280
Balls, didn't you?
It was nighttime.

1043
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,320
It was, didn't.
You guys go spot, didn't you?

1044
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,680
And I go to see them on the load
tour.

1045
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,280
We may have.
I'm just that was the that was

1046
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,360
the first time I saw them here.
I think you and I saw them on

1047
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,960
the load tour as well.
OK, well, let's I know Scott,

1048
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,720
actually the.
Metallic, you guys went too

1049
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,760
Metallica GNR tour.
You know who the opener was for

1050
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,520
us in KC?
Body count made.

1051
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:34,200
Oh, really?
Really.

1052
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,480
Yes, yeah, yeah.
Cop killer, cop killer man.

1053
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,960
And and and and ice T sang it
man.

1054
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:43,480
Oh.
Yeah, I remember that

1055
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,680
controversy a whole.
Oh, it's huge dude.

1056
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,000
I see was brilliant for that.
Everybody was cool to the cops

1057
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,520
and they they ignored.
Well, yeah, but but that was

1058
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,800
that was I see his brilliance.
And now he's played a cop on TV

1059
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,240
for 25 years.
Right.

1060
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:58,840
Yeah.
And he lives in, he lives near.

1061
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,640
He lives.
He lives where Nikki exactly,

1062
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,840
Mommy?
He lived where Nikki schools.

1063
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,960
It's the craziest thing ever.
Yeah, he lives in Chandler, AZ.

1064
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:08,720
Ocotillo Liquido.
Not.

1065
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:11,480
Uh huh.
People run into him and post

1066
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,080
him.
Yeah, people run into him and.

1067
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:15,360
Why don't you get him on the
show?

1068
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,520
Because I don't know him.
He people just run into him.

1069
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,440
I've seen people he's ice.
Tea Man I I would forgive him

1070
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,680
for not wanting to come on to
Kirsten Mike's show, but if you

1071
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:28,000
want to ice tea, you're welcome.
I met you in Smitty's in 19. 90s

1072
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,200
Smitty's as a record store,
right?

1073
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,440
Smitty's.
No, no, it's a grocery store

1074
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,440
kind of like a Walmart, kind of
like a Walmart marker place

1075
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:38,800
because it had all the things
that had a little restaurant in

1076
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,920
there and you had like, you
know, the, the, the, the food

1077
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,720
stuff and you had like some
casual clothes like jeans and

1078
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:47,160
shit like that, you know, Yeah,
kind of like that store yellow.

1079
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:48,680
Front Kind of like the new
Bucky.

1080
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:50,600
Well, the older Bucky's, just
smaller.

1081
00:53:51,240 --> 00:53:53,120
The TG and Ryan Bucky's.
But I'll agree with you.

1082
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:55,720
I'll agree with you.
I've never been to Bucky's.

1083
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,760
The extent of our conversation
was you're iced tea and he said

1084
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,440
that's what they tell me.
That's what they say.

1085
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,960
See, I think it's more powerful
when you meet somebody that that

1086
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,320
is, is on that level.
I'm not going to say famous

1087
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,760
because, you know, the fame is a
is a, is a loaded word.

1088
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:13,360
But somebody on a different
level.

1089
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:17,760
If you're not, oh, all, all
shucks, it's more of a genuine

1090
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,600
interaction than Oh my God, Oh
my God.

1091
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,000
Oh my God, man.
Because yeah, yeah.

1092
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,640
Yeah, here.
Here's a prime example and I've

1093
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,760
never met her personally.
I know a lot of people that have

1094
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,880
met her.
Lizzie Hale from Hailstorm.

1095
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,560
She's fucking awesome.
She is the real deal man.

1096
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,600
Women can do anything, can
obviously can sing.

1097
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,000
She could do anything to me.
Yeah, well.

1098
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,800
I agree with you on that.
I have to have Nicki's for me

1099
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,080
too, Yeah.
Women singers.

1100
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,680
Me too, I have that permission.
I don't need no permission,

1101
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:52,960
honey.
Listen, we'll send her your way,

1102
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,600
Mike, all right?
Now she she is her.

1103
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,800
And the boys are incredible.
I love all four of them.

1104
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,080
I've seen them multiple times.
I've never got to meet any of

1105
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,720
them, but yeah.
She's what I like to call good

1106
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:11,120
for music, right?
She's a fan, you know, no ego,

1107
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,320
just likes to jam.
That's what I always appreciated

1108
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,640
about Chris.
He was like, let's just jam, you

1109
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:17,960
know?
Those were the kind of people I

1110
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,960
was looking for.
I don't want a bunch of drama.

1111
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,040
Life's full of drama.
We're here to have a good time.

1112
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:23,040
That's just fucking.
Game.

1113
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,440
I agree, brother.
Every band that was in when when

1114
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,720
people would arguing like shut
the fuck up, let's just go jam.

1115
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:30,680
Let's just go play music.
That's exactly what he says.

1116
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,880
Shut up, shut the shut up.
Let's just.

1117
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,680
We're here to do this like just
this is when we step out of our

1118
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,080
world.
This is what music takes you if

1119
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:41,240
he gives you a break from
reality.

1120
00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:43,800
And let's choose you to say, but
it does because as when you're

1121
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,320
in a band, yeah, think about it,
think about it.

1122
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,280
You're, you're, you're not doing
shit for 22 1/2 hours a day.

1123
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,000
When you're a touring band, you
don't do shit for 22 1/2 hours

1124
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,800
sitting around thinking you have
90 minutes a day.

1125
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,880
If you're lucky, you're going to
be a headliner by then to just

1126
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,560
go out there and and be in that
space.

1127
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,080
And then you got to be on.
Nothing else Where nothing else

1128
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,080
in the world matters, nothing
else in life matters.

1129
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,600
You're there if you're in front
of 10 people or 10,000, you're

1130
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,520
touching them, you're
entertaining them and you're

1131
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,680
having the time of your life for
90 minutes.

1132
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,440
And hopefully they're singing
back to you.

1133
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,000
Right the other, the other 22
1/2 hours.

1134
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,720
Right, the other 22 1/2 hours,
you're fucking traveling.

1135
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:23,840
Yep, you're doing the mundane
bullshit.

1136
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,320
It's just, it's not.
Sitting around with the last

1137
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,840
right, what we call.
It the last band, the last band

1138
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,880
I was in.
We had Roda Sturges tour in 2008

1139
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,200
and it was the most mundane,
monotonous, fucking dry, boring

1140
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:38,520
bullshit day after day after day
until we got on stage and then.

1141
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,160
How many corn rats you got, man
A?

1142
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,480
Lot of corn rats.
Exactly.

1143
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,560
And and the bullshit drama that
we had to deal with with one of

1144
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,120
the members in the band.
It just we got home, 1 member

1145
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:51,480
quit, one member was on his way
out.

1146
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,600
I convinced him to stay.
He was going to walk out during

1147
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,000
the tour.
And I'm like dude, you walk out,

1148
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,760
this is done.
I'm not fucking going back to

1149
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:57,960
Arizona with the front of my
ass.

1150
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,160
Yeah, we can't do this without
whatever piece of you.

1151
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,160
But that's that's.
What people don't get just Willy

1152
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,640
nilly hired drummer.
No, you're just there to jam.

1153
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,600
You're there to entertain.
Know your role.

1154
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,360
Stay in your lane.
Along the lines.

1155
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,000
Of what Chris is.
Along the lines of what Chris is

1156
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,440
talking about, I just heard
Sturgill Simpson say it

1157
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,960
brilliantly, he said.
The music part I do for free.

1158
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,400
I get paid to travel, right?
Yep.

1159
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,200
Oh, brilliant.
Yeah.

1160
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,920
Because to Chris's point, he's
like, I would get up there and

1161
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:32,800
do that for free because I have
every musician in the world has

1162
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,000
played for free.
And even worse, a lot of

1163
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,080
musicians have paid to play
right where we give the club

1164
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:40,960
owner.
We never did that, but some

1165
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,800
bands give the club owner money
for the privilege of being

1166
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:45,880
there.
So we.

1167
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,560
Paid in it, we paid we, but we
paid in a sense we first started

1168
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,120
out because we had the pre sell
tickets.

1169
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,080
That was That was better than
paying to play, though.

1170
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,120
Agreed, but we're still.
We're still paying, no?

1171
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,240
But we we were still paying with
our time and our effort.

1172
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,560
Like we weren't just going to
get to go there and play.

1173
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,000
We had the show.
We could sell tickets to have

1174
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,520
people come to the door.
And the more kickers came to the

1175
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,160
door, the more the yeah, you.
Had a free head count.

1176
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,640
Yep, yes, yeah.
We had to guarantee them X

1177
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,680
amount of people and we always
overdid.

1178
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,920
Because those people are going
to be drinking, spending money,

1179
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,160
tipping the bartenders,
etcetera, buying feud, whatever,

1180
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:23,880
right?
But that, but that's the thing.

1181
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,360
So we we did in a sense, we
didn't pay to play, but we still

1182
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,000
we paid with our time and our.
Effort to make.

1183
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,120
Sure that people were there and
this is before social media, so.

1184
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:34,720
Hey Chris, who is rigging for
you?

1185
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:38,440
You we rigged.
Our own show gear.

1186
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,840
Yeah, yeah, all the time, all
the time.

1187
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:43,600
Yeah, we didn't have a lot of
help.

1188
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:49,120
Yeah, we.
Had a couple roadies, we had a

1189
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,720
couple roadies that that
believed in us that showed up

1190
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,200
and and it.
Wasn't a 50 man Rd. crew though.

1191
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:59,720
It was like a.
Yeah, even when we even when we

1192
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,120
did the Sturgis tour with my
last band, I I hauled my own

1193
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:03,800
shit.
I took my own shit on the stage.

1194
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:04,960
I I didn't.
I didn't.

1195
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,800
It's one.
Thing cool about Chris Don, if

1196
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:11,080
we, and I mean this in the
nicest way possible, you have to

1197
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:12,440
have been in a band to
understand.

1198
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,560
A lot of times, singers that
don't play an instrument,

1199
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,720
they're like, do you want me to
get lost and get out of your

1200
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,240
way, or do you want me to help?
There were nights where it was

1201
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:23,040
important for him to go work the
crowd, right?

1202
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:24,600
And we took care of all that.
Shit.

1203
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,120
And we, like you said, we had
people.

1204
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,480
We had people that believed in
us, that wanted to be there and

1205
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,880
we allowed them to be there.
But there were nights where we

1206
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,840
needed his help and he would
carry the drums and he knew what

1207
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:39,040
to do with them and the, you
know, whatever we needed, he had

1208
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:40,080
watched.
I got yelled at that.

1209
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,200
I got yelled at the I got yelled
at the first couple of times

1210
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:43,720
touching Scott's drums.
What are you doing?

1211
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,120
I'm like, no touching.
I'm helping.

1212
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,920
I'm helping, man.
OK, But you don't do it like

1213
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:50,360
this.
You got to pick up OK.

1214
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,400
Fucking drummers are the most
sensitive bastards on the

1215
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:55,880
planet.
Like don't touch.

1216
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,360
It's the whole step brothers,
right?

1217
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,480
That's where that came from.
Don't touch your drums.

1218
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:03,720
Yeah, all when?
Calls a lot of singers, you

1219
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,680
know, LSD, lead singers.
Disease.

1220
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,120
That's drummers.
That's their quirk.

1221
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,720
Dude, don't touch my drums.
Don't stand on my course.

1222
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,920
Well, there's there was
sometimes there was sometimes at

1223
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,200
practice.
I there was times at practice I

1224
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,720
would just casually go sit on
the on on his drum kit behind

1225
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,560
his drum kit and he'd come in
the room and his eyes like

1226
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:22,960
fucking bugged out.
What are you doing sweating?

1227
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,800
I'm just.
I'm just sitting, man.

1228
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,240
I'm tired, Eddie.
I'm tired, touch, anything,

1229
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:32,720
nothing sad.
I was just, I was just sitting

1230
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:34,720
here admiring the view from the
behind the stage.

1231
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,480
Man, and the longer that he
wouldn't sit there, the more

1232
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,800
nervous Scott would get to the
point where he'd be like.

1233
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:42,040
Fucking.
Just move.

1234
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:42,920
Just move.
Let me let.

1235
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:44,520
Me, just move.
Let me just move.

1236
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,920
Just move.
Yeah, I knew.

1237
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,920
My guitar players are.
They're different.

1238
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:51,360
They're like I pick up my guitar
player.

1239
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,000
Yeah, yeah, the guitar players
are a little more melon.

1240
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,560
Crank it up, I got 3.
More catching this are a little

1241
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,640
yeah, they're, they're more
careful about their equipment,

1242
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:01,240
yeah.
But it's true though, when you,

1243
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:05,360
when you're in a band and you
see how, how perfect they line

1244
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,080
up their kit because every
drummer is different, right?

1245
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,920
And how they, how they adjust
the, the, the like there's

1246
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,840
tilts, there's certain tilts
that he would do with his Toms,

1247
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,880
you know, and you'd sit there
watching him before showing he's

1248
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:21,520
like, and just, and just like
painstakingly doing 20 different

1249
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,840
things for like 10 minutes.
I'm like, and you just like,

1250
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:25,320
what the fuck?
And then when it's all sudden

1251
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,000
done, it's because it, it's
just, it's where he needs them

1252
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,960
to be.
Which goes back to the story

1253
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,560
with the Mellencamp, right?
Which goes back to the

1254
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,840
Mellencamp story and the drum
tech being right there and

1255
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:42,280
knowing as soon as he broke that
snare man that it was done like

1256
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,400
he knew.
I wish I knew exactly.

1257
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:46,400
Oh, and and it's.
Never.

1258
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,640
Yeah, I had to get incredible.
It was, it was, and we just

1259
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,120
happened and we just happened to
be looking at the drummer.

1260
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,760
That was the thing.
If we weren't looking at the

1261
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,560
drummer, right, we wouldn't have
seen it.

1262
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,600
And it's just, it's just, I
probably was in, I was probably

1263
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,640
watching Mellencamp, but he was
probably in front of the drummer

1264
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:03,640
in some way, shape or form
because so it was my line of

1265
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:05,960
sight.
Mike's probably watching guitars

1266
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:07,240
and drummers and basses and
shit.

1267
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,360
So we just kind of our eyes
emerged at the same time, but

1268
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,240
that's the tightness of the band
and that's knowing exactly where

1269
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,760
all the pieces were supposed to
be truly incredible at all given

1270
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,480
times as a drummer.
Because I mean, you're off.

1271
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,640
Oh, that symbol stands a
centimeter to the left.

1272
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:19,880
Do we lose fucking pissing off
the?

1273
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:21,800
Drummer, we might not laugh.
Because then it's not hits.

1274
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,760
Frozen in Time Here's the movie
Time.

1275
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,800
When is the last time going back
to Metallica and when's the last

1276
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:32,720
time you got to see them play
live, Don?

1277
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,280
Let's see, I went with Jason
Farr.

1278
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,680
He's AKA Bubba.
He's a Bubba.

1279
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:46,680
Anyway, we went and saw him at
Sprint Center, which is now

1280
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:50,440
T-Mobile downtown Kansas City
probably four years ago.

1281
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:56,760
And man, I am telling you that
place is, it's made out of Glass

1282
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:02,120
Mike.
So, you know, the, I don't know

1283
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:10,120
how the engineers built it, but
it, the place it expands is the

1284
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,840
latter.
The music gets, I think they

1285
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:16,640
built it to expand and you could
actually feel the building

1286
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,960
breathing and it was
unbelievable.

1287
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:24,920
They had the, they had the, you
know, the drop downs, they had

1288
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:31,240
the 360 carousels that that hung
from the ceiling and would do

1289
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,600
all the graphics.
Oh, yeah, Those are at you know

1290
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:36,040
what those are?
Those are drones.

1291
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,200
Those are being piloted.
Yeah, and they had the drones.

1292
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:39,920
They did.
They did have the drones.

1293
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,760
Yeah, it was.
That's, I mean, their show's

1294
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,880
insane.
It unbelievable dude, you know

1295
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:52,160
and you know let's this goes
clear back to James cat pill.

1296
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:58,040
You know, he has the same
affliction we had, you know, and

1297
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:03,240
he, he battles every day to stay
away from bad things.

1298
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:13,160
And man is is he stays sober and
in his sobriety of whatever sort

1299
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,840
he he sounds better today than I
saw him in 86.

1300
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:19,800
Oh, his.
Voice just keeps getting

1301
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:21,560
stronger.
Yeah, yeah.

1302
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:26,640
Can he hit the highs as as he
did when he was 20s, thirties?

1303
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:33,120
No, neither can I.
But his his range and his

1304
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:38,680
longevity that he can hold the
note, you know, especially on,

1305
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:43,280
you know, one for, you know,
whatever, just pick a song.

1306
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,680
He sounds better today than he
did then.

1307
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,640
Yeah.
So fortunately for Metallica,

1308
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:56,680
the high screaming part of their
music wasn't as important as it

1309
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,720
might be for, like, a pop
artist, right?

1310
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:03,320
So what he gained in his lower
register made him a more

1311
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:07,320
powerful singer, which gave
their music more legitimacy.

1312
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,520
Their music didn't need that
high.

1313
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:13,440
And I appreciate those albums,
but to be honest with you, Kill

1314
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,440
Them All is still a little hard
to listen to.

1315
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,840
I'm waiting for the reissue.
You could be a bitch now I'm

1316
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:20,960
with you.
I love the song, I don't

1317
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,360
necessarily like to record in
quality.

1318
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,520
Welcome back, brother.
You guys are in this monumental

1319
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,400
fucking ice storm.
Bad monumental weather and shit.

1320
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,040
I'm clear blue skies and cocks.
See what happens.

1321
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:36,640
Cox Communications You are
absolutely sunny, but it's 5°.

1322
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,880
That's, let's go on record, Cox
Communications.

1323
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,120
You suck.
You absolutely suck.

1324
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,920
You are pathetic.
You are the worst Internet

1325
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,920
provider in America.
I literally like all of a sudden

1326
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:49,400
it stopped.
I agree, Jake.

1327
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,680
What?
The hell And I'm on the wrong

1328
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,960
side of the screen.
I was over there and I'm over.

1329
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,240
Here, yeah, you're on the left.
Now you're on the right.

1330
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,200
But that's hot, man.
Everything's off now.

1331
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,600
We got Mike in the middle, now
Mike's in the middle.

1332
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,160
It's like a MM Malcolm, you
know?

1333
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:04,600
Malcolm in the Middle.
I'm felling in.

1334
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:09,160
Right all.
Right, Mike, what are you going

1335
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,200
to play us out, man?
Play us out of tune.

1336
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:15,640
Pick up that guitar Heavy D
There you go every sorry Heavy D

1337
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,640
light on the I had to think
about my strengths Chris.

1338
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:21,560
Sorry about that.
Hey.

1339
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,920
So So what happened with your
interview?

1340
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:30,920
Any news?
Actually, it's funny, urban and

1341
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:37,320
newly do do you know urban
clothing newly Anyway, we we

1342
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,520
have a million square foot
warehouse here in ring.

1343
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:41,840
Wow, wow.
Yeah, it's huge, dude.

1344
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:46,480
It's monster.
Anyway, I got a call back for a

1345
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:53,160
second interview on Monday and I
have another interview with Echo

1346
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,480
Bank or Echo Soap.
Sorry.

1347
01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:01,400
OK, it's a nonprofit, but just
transporting whatever they need

1348
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:02,280
to transport.
Cool.

1349
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:05,120
So the other one didn't work
out.

1350
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,120
Oh.
Bummer, man.

1351
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,000
Yeah, yeah.
Hey, it's OK, Mike.

1352
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:16,200
I've had more nose than I can
count, so Oh yeah, the second

1353
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:20,160
interview I'm happy with.
Yeah, and that's with the urban

1354
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,840
one or the E1.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1355
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:24,440
With both on Monday.
Oh, cool.

1356
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:25,600
Right on fingers.
Fingers.

1357
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:29,640
One that I, Yeah, the one I
interviewed with you or when?

1358
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,120
When we had to reschedule.
Yeah.

1359
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,200
I didn't get that.
OK, that's OK.

1360
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:38,680
It's all good.
If you need a, if you need a, if

1361
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:40,120
you need a reference, put me.
Put me down.

1362
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,160
Oh, I do.
Thank you, guys.

1363
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:44,080
Thank you I've.
Known you.

1364
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:46,040
I've known you for a long time.
So you put me down a deal, man.

1365
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:49,120
Yeah, that is a big deal, Jets.
Thank you.

1366
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,560
Yeah, I want to comment the fact
that you're a Kansas City's fan.

1367
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:57,000
I'll let that slide.
No one thing wrong, Doctor

1368
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,640
Cohen.
You sent me the damn poster.

1369
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:00,560
Oh good, because that's kind.
Of love you man here.

1370
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,520
That's because I love you, man.
You're a good human.

1371
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,880
When you sit here and have
conversations like this with

1372
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:08,160
people, you definitely get to
know them.

1373
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,880
And the one thing that I did not
anticipate is how much you can

1374
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:15,440
feel someone's generous or not
generosity.

1375
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:19,760
They're genuineness, right?
You guys too man, it comes

1376
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:23,040
straight through the screen.
I didn't anticipate that at all.

1377
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,160
I was like, how much, you know,
are we going to really feel what

1378
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,720
these people are?
And there's times where we'll

1379
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:32,720
get off here and basically have
the same opinion or somebody.

1380
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:36,120
It's like they were, they were
whatever, you know, or we'll

1381
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,120
just be so blown away.
It, it's almost like it drains

1382
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,439
you, you know?
Man, you know, we've been

1383
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,319
talking for a little over an
hour now, man, it seems like 5

1384
01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:45,439
minutes.
It does.

1385
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,240
I mean, exactly.
Yeah, it just.

1386
01:08:47,319 --> 01:08:47,720
It does.
No.

1387
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:48,560
Agreed.
Agreed.

1388
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,000
Absolutely.
That that is super fun.

1389
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:59,640
That's when you know you know,
the the truth is the truth.

1390
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:06,720
The feelings are mutual and and
the podcast is real and you

1391
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:13,520
know, I I Jesse James Dupree,
Speaking of the demo, you know,

1392
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:19,520
when he had on full final swoon
man, that was all real him and

1393
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:23,520
Mike Ballard and and that that
is for real and he wouldn't.

1394
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,200
You know how I know?
You know how I know that, Don?

1395
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,279
Yeah, because when I saw them, I
saw him live twice.

1396
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:31,200
But the first time I saw him was
in their.

1397
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,920
Heyday I made Jesse.
And I got to see him at the

1398
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,000
Electric Ballroom, same place
Chris had graced the stage many

1399
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:38,120
times.
Yeah.

1400
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:41,359
And he came out and he's like,
you know, got this shit eating

1401
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:42,279
grin on his.
Face.

1402
01:09:42,279 --> 01:09:45,479
Oh yeah, that's Jesse.
Everybody like my new guitar and

1403
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,439
the whole crowd goes crazy.
And he's like, yeah, I like it

1404
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,040
too, but mostly because they
give it to me for free.

1405
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,120
That's just being just being
honest, folks.

1406
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:59,680
Just being honest.
All right, Hotel California,

1407
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:01,000
come on.
I wish I knew.

1408
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:02,360
Hotel California, Yeah.
He.

1409
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:04,760
Doesn't do covers, man.
That's the thing about Mike.

1410
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,800
Mike's not a big.
I'm taking MG man, come on.

1411
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:09,400
Yeah, I have not spent my whole
life.

1412
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:11,400
Are you going to sing Chris?
No.

1413
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,200
Chris will do.
I'm going to do my I'm going to

1414
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:15,600
do my top, my speech that we do
when we go out of a show.

1415
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:17,360
He'll play the music and he'll
talk.

1416
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:22,640
He might sing because he
actually knows this one.

1417
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:26,320
Yeah, maybe it doesn't work.
It doesn't work though on a

1418
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:27,240
podcast, man.
Yeah.

1419
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,240
It doesn't work across the
Internet.

1420
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,320
It's like, I won't do karaoke
either, you know, people like,

1421
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,480
why won't you do karaoke?
Because you're singing too this.

1422
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,120
You're not, you know, and it's,
it's, it's everything's

1423
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,440
different live.
Everything's faster live.

1424
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,240
You feel the music live.
You don't really feel the music

1425
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:47,120
on, you know, 2000 miles Away,
although it is a good song.

1426
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,040
You've known heavy string, Mike.
Come on, Mike.

1427
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:51,880
This is one of our songs that he
wrote.

1428
01:10:52,440 --> 01:10:54,080
Yeah, no, I like it.
I like the chord.

1429
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:57,120
So as always, if you're feeling,
if you're feeling sad or

1430
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:58,640
suicidal, depressed, don't do
it.

1431
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,760
You know, go scream in a pillow,
go journal, go for a run, go

1432
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,400
workout, go find somebody to
talk to.

1433
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,280
If you can't find somebody to
talk to, you can text 988.

1434
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:09,480
Somebody's there standing by
waiting to help you deal with

1435
01:11:09,480 --> 01:11:11,680
what you're dealing with.
You don't want to be the person

1436
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:13,760
that doesn't wake up tomorrow
because somebody does love you.

1437
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:15,960
Somebody will miss you and you
will leave a hole in that

1438
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,720
person's heart.
And it's a, it's a hole that's

1439
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,360
hard to fill because they're
going to always question why you

1440
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,120
did what you did and why you
didn't reach out for help.

1441
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:27,200
So don't be that person because
we want you here.

1442
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:28,880
The world's a better place with
you in it.

1443
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,600
So remember that.
He's done Warnock, Super cool

1444
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,600
guy from Kansas City.
We met long time ago.

1445
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,960
It's got to be, it's got to be,
it's got to be 1012 years

1446
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:40,960
something now.
Yeah, it's been a while, man.

1447
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,320
Yeah, he's Mike Michaels.
He and I met at the Candle Box

1448
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:48,480
show back in the early 90s.
And our lifestyle, our, our

1449
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:52,560
lives were forever changed.
Speaking of Candle Box Monkey

1450
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,200
House, Monkey House Guitars
built a guitar for Peter Clutt

1451
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:56,680
of Candle Box.
Peter, we're still waiting for

1452
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,680
you to come on the show, you
know, so Sammy Hagar.

1453
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:01,160
I have messaged it a couple of
times.

1454
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:02,920
Come on Sammy, come, come talk
to us.

1455
01:12:03,480 --> 01:12:05,280
You know you liked Sammy's
family.

1456
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:07,040
Sammy's family all chimed into
my post.

1457
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:10,520
I liked it and I'm like OK Sammy
where are you like come on, you

1458
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,040
can come back on.
We get Sammy.

1459
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:15,040
I got a free hour.
I'm going to be getting a hold

1460
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:18,360
of Mike pretty soon because I
pretty much got the idea for the

1461
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,120
guitar in my head.
I would like to get Mike and

1462
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,200
Peter on here together.
Agreed.

1463
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,120
That'd be incredible.
And I know, I know he wants to

1464
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,440
do that too.
So yeah, let's hope that that

1465
01:12:28,440 --> 01:12:31,720
happens because that would be
amazing to hear his reaction

1466
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,600
while Mike's here.
You know why he loves that

1467
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:39,160
guitar so much?
And I'm not so sure that Mike

1468
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:43,880
isn't a little bit responsible
for his love of Candle Box's

1469
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,120
music again.
And they just announced that

1470
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:48,760
they're not going on a farewell
tour.

1471
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:49,880
They're.
Actually, I don't know.

1472
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:51,680
I saw that, Mike.
That's so.

1473
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:54,320
Cool man, because I saw a
farewell tour not.

1474
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,160
But but I see.
Yeah, yeah, go ahead.

1475
01:12:57,160 --> 01:13:00,040
Sorry.
But to be Mike Thompson of

1476
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,240
Monkey House and be in the
middle of all that, I mean, even

1477
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:07,760
if it's a 10th of 1% of, you
know, getting him back in that

1478
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:09,840
direction, that's so cool to be
a part of that.

1479
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,680
Yeah, yeah, right.
Now we're now we're a part of

1480
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:14,560
that as well.
Right, I saw that towards

1481
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,720
always.
They put the customers back in

1482
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,760
if you it's for you.
Yeah, it's for.

1483
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:26,320
Yeah, Yeah.
The radio edit sucks.

1484
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,280
The radio edit does suck.
That's why I listen to Sirius

1485
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:29,400
Satellite and that's why I
bought my.

1486
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:29,880
Own.
Yeah.

1487
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,960
Yeah, yeah.
But I saw Nikki and I saw that

1488
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,720
tour with Three Doors Down
opening, which, you know, Brad,

1489
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:39,720
Brad Arnold, God bless him.
I don't think he's turning

1490
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:41,160
around very quickly.
I know.

1491
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:42,760
Did it, Brad.
That's so.

1492
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:45,240
Sad man it is because he's such
a he's such a nice.

1493
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:48,600
He comes across as somebody
comes as we were talking about

1494
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:49,880
earlier.
He comes across as somebody

1495
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:53,440
who's very approachable, who's
very genuine, who would actually

1496
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,400
would would care that you
acknowledged and he would

1497
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:57,760
probably be a little.
Embarrassed if you have him,

1498
01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:58,920
dude.
Probably.

1499
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,520
Probably because he's just seems
like that nice of a guy.

1500
01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:04,640
So say a prayer for Brad Arnold,
for those of you that pray

1501
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:08,560
because he's struggling with
stage 4 cancer and some of the

1502
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:12,880
songs really hard now that he's
written because they reference,

1503
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,640
you know, love me when I'm gone.
But stay around.

1504
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:16,840
Stay around.
Brad.

1505
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,400
You're you're a good human.
We need good humans like you and

1506
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:22,600
the planet.
You guys got anything else?

1507
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:26,800
Anything else?
Where?

1508
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:28,520
Where's my breakfast?
I don't know.

1509
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:30,920
I eat my breakfast.
It's in your belly.

1510
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,800
You know, it's funny, dude.
The reason why I sent you the

1511
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,160
banner is because you've always
asked me to send you In and Out

1512
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,000
Burger and I could never figure
out how to send you In and Out

1513
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,120
Burger.
Yeah, now it'd be rotten.

1514
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,360
And then I and then I saw that
banner on Marketplace and I'm

1515
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:45,680
like, you did great.
And I would have loved, I would

1516
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:47,920
have loved to have been there
when you opened it up because

1517
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:49,840
I'm sure you had no fucking clue
what you're getting.

1518
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,080
No, none.
That would have been the

1519
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,880
greatest thing ever.
I should have text you hey when

1520
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,200
you get this package have have
your wife fill me opening it

1521
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:58,160
'cause then it would have been
it would.

1522
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:00,000
Have been yeah, I could have,
man.

1523
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,800
Yeah, we.
Did we did one year when Jake

1524
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:04,880
came home for Christmas, he
wasn't supposed to come home.

1525
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:07,720
And he came home and I actually,
I I told him not to tell Nikki.

1526
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:10,840
So I actually snuck him in the
house to the garage service

1527
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:12,680
door.
And I filmed the whole thing.

1528
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,840
And when, when he turned the
corner and and she turned and

1529
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,680
looked and see, I mean, it was
it was epic.

1530
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:19,800
It's like those.
Yeah.

1531
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,280
It's like those cheesy
commercials you see on TV when

1532
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:24,800
somebody comes home.
No, that's that's a mob 11 or

1533
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:26,920
son.
Yeah, well, it's, he's mama's

1534
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:28,360
boy.
Sorry son, but your mama's boy.

1535
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:30,320
No, it's all good.
Me too.

1536
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,280
Yeah, I'm not.
We won't go there.

1537
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:35,560
Love you guys both.
Have a great day.

1538
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:40,320
All right, You know, stay warm.
Don.

1539
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,800
Yeah, I'm going to.
I'm going to probably go

1540
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,600
outside, take a. 28 here today.
Language D baby.

1541
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,560
Language D Yeah, I'm.
Going to go outside and, and you

1542
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:50,600
know, just take off my shirt and
do some yard work because it's,

1543
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:51,760
it's everything.
Go golfing.

1544
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,760
Have a great day fellas.
Thank you guys for the people,

1545
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:00,040
nothing but love man.
Thank you for your time Don

1546
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:02,280
appreciate.
You, you guys are very welcome,

1547
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:02,800
Donners.