#170 - Mark Winters - Musician

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I'm going to let you young.
Welcome you to the Twitchers.

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Hey, guys.
I got no picture.

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I think he's coming on.
Yeah, well, Mark's here, kind of

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sort of.
We can't see him.

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I heard Mark but I can't see
him.

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Right.
So this is Chris.

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I'm actually I'm Chris.
He's my that's Mark.

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Oh, oh, in a car, in a car in a
car might might not work.

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Mark, you got to be on a
dedicated you got to be on a

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dedicated Wi-Fi type thing.
We've we've are.

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You headed home.
I'm in Alaska and so my wife and

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I out here visiting and I
thought for sure Alaska's

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theater time was one hour behind
you guys, but apparently it's

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it's two hours.
It's really bizarre.

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OK, well, it's. 2:00 here, yeah.
It's 4:00 here.

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Yeah, it's 4:00 here.
Yeah, yeah.

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So I thought it would be 3:00
Alaska time because it that's

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what anyway, yeah, it's all
good.

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I'll be home in about I'll be
I'll be there at the hotel in

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like 5 minutes so.
Actually, he's good.

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He's good right now.
He's at 93%, Chris.

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OK, it's up to you.
I just don't want to, you know,

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if you want to wait till he get
we can talk until he gets to the

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hotel, then he's not.
We're not going to watch him

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leave the car and go to the
hotel room.

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OK, that's fine.
Yeah, just walk back on when you

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get there, Mark.
Yeah, yeah.

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Just do that.
That'll.

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Work.
Yeah, that work.

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Alright, we'll see you then.
Brother, we'll see.

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We'll see.
Drive safe.

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OK.
All right.

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I'll be, I'll see you guys
shortly.

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Thanks guys all.
Right.

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No problem.
Thank you.

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Bye.
Bye.

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So that's fun anyway.
So what were you talking about

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before Mark joined in football?
Football.

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Specifically, John Harbaugh.
John Harbaugh John Harbaugh was

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introduced to New York Giants
today.

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I saw a little spiel on the
Instagram that a lot of players

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showed up.
Congratulations by the way, I

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think that's a great hire.
My personal opinion?

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I, I, I would now the more that
I read about him and the more

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that I read about about.
It's a dynasty family.

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Yeah, football.
It's like the Mannings man.

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The hard balls, they eat,
breathe, sleep.

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Football.
I just could there have been

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maybe a a better choice if we
really sat down and, you know,

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thought about it maybe, but.
Yeah.

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But if you look at the ones that
if you look like sell this

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Robert Sella.
Yeah.

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So Robert Shelly got hired for
Tennessee, which is interesting.

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I did not know, I didn't see
that.

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Yeah, that's that was dropping
last night and then today, OK,

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Sean McDermott, I knew he was
going to get fired and I

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actually posted something.
I kind of knew he was, but I

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still find that surprising dude.
I mean, I know he couldn't get

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over the hump, but.
The hump is everything though.

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You got to get over the hump.
It is I.

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Don't care if you get if you get
to the first round.

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Playoffs every year, 10 straight
years, but you don't get past

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the first round.
There's there's a glitch in the

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matrix.
Look at look at remember Jon

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Gruden and and Tony Dungy,
right, Dungy left the the the

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Buccaneers because he couldn't
get him over that hump goes

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Indianapolis wins the Super
Bowl.

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Gruden gets that close to the
Raiders can't get over the hump,

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He goes to Tampa Bay, wins the
Super Bowl.

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Some people just need to go
somewhere else and get over the

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hump.
Now granted, right, Gruden made

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won a Super Bowl with Dungy's
team and I don't know who, I

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don't know who was coaching the
Colts before Dungy, but he won,

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he won the Super Bowl with that
previous coaches team, right?

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So.
Who knows?

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I'm listening to you.
I'm going to look up those

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contracts.
Oh, I know you.

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I figured you're, I figured
you're looking up research and

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doing some research.
So, yeah.

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So the more I the more I've read
about Powerball from people that

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are like, I have a really good
friend, Steve Binger.

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What's up Steve, who lives in
New York and he has his he has a

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giants page that that's How I
Met him.

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Really good guy.
Love smoking cigars every time

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the giants when he smokes a
cigar.

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I've tried to get him on the
show, but such a weird dynamic

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of time difference and and and
and he works and stuff.

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But so I asked him flat out
like, is this a good thing for

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New York?
I'm like, what's, you know,

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you're there and you hear all
the speculation and rumors and

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stuff about the deal going
South, that kind of jazz.

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And he's like, no, dude, this
straight up the whole the whole

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hang up was the fact that
Harbaugh Harbaugh's Harbaugh's

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deal was was he wanted to
control, he wanted to be the GM.

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Well, obviously the Giants
weren't going to give him the GM

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position because they like Joel
shown for God knows why.

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I can't imagine why.
I don't I, I, I, I me either,

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man he's.
I mean, talk about a failure.

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Well, and then his kids told him
who the draft and he didn't

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draft, and those people that his
kids told the draft went on to

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do.
That's your point a second ago.

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And I agree with you.
You know, sometimes I have a

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little too much heart.
Yeah.

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It all starts at the top.
So yeah, what have the Giants

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done for you as a fan lately?
Nothing.

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Nothing since Coughlin was
fired, which he shouldn't have

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been fired.
I mean, you know, it's you went

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to Super Bowls with the team and
you get fired.

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That was, that was an unclassy
move from an organization that

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has a storage franchise.
They should have dealt with that

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a little bit more graciously.
You know, they should have just

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had him.
I don't know.

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I didn't like Kaufman though
when he first started either.

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But with that being said, I'm
not a huge football historian,

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as we've all established, but
can you think of a person who's

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been a coach in the GM at the
same time who's been super

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successful?
No, no one.

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So I'm not sure.
I think that's a lot to bite

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off, man.
I agree that's too.

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That's too many hats.
And I think if I were him when

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they said no, I would have just
said what he wants anyway.

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Then can can I be involved in
the draft procedure?

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That's what he wants, right?
He wants to be involved in who

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are we going to put on the team
that I'm going to coach?

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Well, and what it is is Harbaugh
doesn't have to answer to shown

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he answers to the meritus.
That was how they got around

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that.
OK, which which you OK, good,

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because I wouldn't want to
answer Joel Schoen either

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because I mean, it's on record.
It's on film.

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The the the stuff the people he
didn't pick and his kids are

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telling him in behind in the NFL
Hard Knocks.

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You should draft these guys,
just guys, these guys.

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And he doesn't draft any of
those.

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And his drafts are a bust.
And he's on record saying that

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Saquon Barkley's done.
He will not rush for 2000 yards.

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He'll never be the MVP.
And what did Saquon Barkley do

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the year after he left the
Giants?

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Both.
Those things.

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Both those things.
Now what did Saquon do this?

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Year, both of them, right?
And what did he do this year?

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Nothing.
He went back to his giant style

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of playing because he clearly
stated on the Saquon

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documentary, I can't run like
that anymore.

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It's not healthy.
I can't run angry.

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And when you don't run angry,
you don't have the success that

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he had that one year in Philly.
Now, you can argue with me all

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you want.
Look at the stats.

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He cannot run out of this
runner.

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So no, he's not.
It's like Cam Scataboo.

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Cam Scataboo is not going to run
like Barry Sanders.

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Cam Scataboo is going to run
downhill like Dead Puckus.

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Those are two.
Different styles of running for

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sure, right?
Yeah, right.

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Right in your face, knock your
ass over New York Giants

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football.
You know the first time Jeremy

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Shockey got a ball, he he
knocked over 3 or 4 guys on the

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sideline.
That's New York Giants football

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smashed by the football, which
is what I love.

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Look.
At so you.

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Send me.
Yeah, yeah.

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Look at the two Kyle Tucker ones
first because those numbers will

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blow your fucking mind, man.
Yeah, so, so with the luxury tax

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in baseball, the Dodgers will be
paying $126 million a season for

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Tucker, assuming no deferrals.
That's more than the 11 teams

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entire payrolls.
And then the other one is Kyle

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Tucker will make $164,000 per
day from the Dodgers on his new

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contract.
Think about that for a second.

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Yeah, every day.
Yeah, there's another almost 200

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grand.
Yeah.

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OK, we'll round down $150,000 a
day, every day.

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Yeah, that's $5,000,000 per
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That's just and you wonder why
baseball tickets pricing is

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absurd.
What are the Rams?

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When I got to pull up on my
phone.

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There was one that I saw.
Oh OK, the tax thing, sorry.

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So Matthew Stafford only makes
19,000,000, only makes $19

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million after taxes despite
signing a $44 million deal.

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Federal takes 16.2 million jock
tax.

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Like the jock, he's going to
wear the jock strap.

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That's $220,000 a year.
FICA $665,000 years.

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Agency gets $1.32 million a
year.

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And the California State tax is
5.85 million a year.

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He's only making $19.7 million a
year.

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See this?
Well, smallest violin.

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Sorry, Matthew.
So sorry, so sorry.

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Crazy.
I cried when I read that.

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Crazy I I cried too.
I'm weeping.

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I explains how Odell blew
through $100 million in five

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years.
No, it doesn't.

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Live within your means, Odell.
You can't build generational

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wealth on that kind of money.
Yeah, but you look at the

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Mannings, there's your OK, you
can because, you know, you can.

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We talked about that a couple
episodes ago.

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The wealth, the wealth that's
been built for the Mannings, not

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from the dad.
The dad didn't play football at

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the time.
You made bank.

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No, but his.
Son's dead and they are, and

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then their nephew is making what
we say, $6.78 million playing

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college football.
Yep, more than a coach by a

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landslide, right?
It's insane man.

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And that was going to be the
thing that I I saw somewhere.

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And it might be Kyle Tucker now
is worth more.

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One of those guys on the Dodgers
is worth more than the owner.

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Think about that.
Yeah, that's the first time

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that's ever happened in sports.
That's why it made the

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headlines.
That's because they got it.

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They put they need to put a cap
in baseball and.

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That was the question.
On top of that statistic was,

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yeah, should there be a cap in
baseball there?

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Should be there should be a cap
in all sports because nobody, I

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don't care who you are, you're
not worth, you're not worth that

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kind of money.
You're you're hitting a ball,

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you're catching a ball and
you're throwing a ball.

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That's it.
Nothing else.

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Look Mark's back.
Welcome back to Dudes.

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Dudes.
That's that, man.

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Well, it's shaking.
There we go.

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I'm so sorry about all this,
man.

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It's all.
Good brother, It's all good

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you're.
Good.

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Take a breath.
Relax.

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It's all right.
We're we're into.

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It man, we're not those kind of
people.

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We're not.
That's good.

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We're relaxed.
That's, that's cool.

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I'm I'm appreciative.
This is fun.

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Man, yeah.
We're just conversation, having

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fun, man.
That's why, that's why we that's

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why we hit it off in the e-mail,
because we're not assholes, man.

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I'm in Illinois.
Yeah, yeah, I'm in Illinois.

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You're in Alaska and he's in
Arizona, so we made this work.

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Yeah, yeah, that's awesome.
So.

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So what are you doing in Alaska,
man?

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So we've been out here a few
times and really love, we love

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my wife and I love hiking,
backpacking, camping, that kind

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of thing.
And we, we were out here.

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I'm just making sure y'all are
on Wi-Fi here.

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Wi-Fi.
Yeah.

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OK, good.
Yeah.

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We, we love, we just love the
culture.

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It's very close to Texas in the
way that the people are out

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here.
And I've been my wife's been

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after me to buy a cabin in the
mountains with for her

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somewhere.
I thought it was going to be in

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in Colorado.
That was my thought.

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But then when we, when we set
foot in Alaska, like after the

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first night of camping out in
the tent, she's like, right

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here, baby, find me a spot.
So we're back up here in

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Fairbanks looking.
We were in Anchorage a little,

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you know, bit ago.
Cool.

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Yeah.
And we wanted to come in the

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dead of winter to see what it
was actually like to be in the

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dead of winter up here.
So we're getting used to it.

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It's it's pretty cool.
Is is there the ability to go

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house shopping in the dead of
winter?

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We wanted to know that and the
answer is yes, yes we can.

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We were out.
We have this the most amazing

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tour guide.
She's a realtor, but she's

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really a tour guide and she's
been out with us driving in the

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snow.
She we got stranded yesterday.

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She had to have one of her
friends with a big 4 wheel drive

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truck pull us out of the snow.
And it's been, it's been an

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experience.
I mean, we, we went, you had to

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think about this.
We're on a like A5 acre parcel

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and you're going to go up to the
house and the house is sort of

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set back halfway on the
property.

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And so you have a little
driveway and then, you know, so

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you kind of you make your way up
the driveway and then from the

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driveway to the house, you got
to go snow surfing, dude.

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You're like you're you're
plowing through the snow to make

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a lane for yourself to get to
the door, right?

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On.
So it's totally not the Texas

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experience, which is where I'm
originally from.

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Yeah, yeah.
So obviously you're going to

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you're going to vacation in the
warmer months as opposed to the

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blizzardly winters, I would
assume?

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We we don't know that.
We've been told by most of the

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the locals that June is the time
not to be here because the the

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mosquitoes are insane in in
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So come any other time besides
June.

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OK, we were there.
We did a Norwegian cruise,

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Alaskan cruise, and it was
October.

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So it was it was cold, but it
wasn't, it wasn't.

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Holy shit.
Cold.

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You know, it was it was
bearable.

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It was, Yeah.
And we did the whole glacier,

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all this stuff.
We were Juno, Ketchikan, some

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some other spot.
I forget now which, but yeah, so

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I don't.
Not Fairbanks.

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What's the other one?
Anchorage.

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No, not Anchorage.
I don't know.

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I.
Think you fly, fly into

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Anchorage, maybe the the
cruises.

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I think because we did a cruise,
that's how we first got the

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experience here where our cruise
stopped in Seward and then you

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got a chance to do a train ride
up to Anchorage.

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Or maybe it was vice versa.
Maybe we flew into Anchorage and

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took a train ride down to Seward
and the then the the port of

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call for the debarcation was
Seward.

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Yeah, we sell.
That to Seattle.

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We went from Seattle to Alaska,
OK.

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Well, that's cool, yeah.
Yeah, it was fun you.

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Guys stopped somewhere in Canada
too if I remember we.

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Did we stopped in in Victoria,
Canada?

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Yeah.
Nice people.

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Nice, yeah.
Vancouver.

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We stopped in Vancouver.
I love Vancouver.

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It's amazingly awesome.
Yeah, yeah.

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Nice people, nice people.
So now that you're now that

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you're here, you're settled,
relaxed, chilled out.

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Give us a little bit about you
and why you wanted to come on

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the Chris and Mike show so we
can kind of start our

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conversation with you from
there.

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Yeah, so I oops, I am a career
pivoter.

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I was, I was in aerospace
engineering.

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I love applied math and physics.
I studied it in school.

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Computational fluid dynamics.
I love doing calculus and

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differential equations and
studying, you know, physical

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phenomenon as this part of
things I know.

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Nothing about this is.
My head is like.

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But.
That's.

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Cool.
He's the smartest one in the

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room today, Mark I.
Don't know anything about that,

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but I would tell you that.
But I, I love, you know, I love

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that part of, of life.
But I've also been a poet my

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whole life.
My grandma taught me to write

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poetry when I was 5.
And so I have these sort of

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competing facets to my mind
always sort of trying to express

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themselves.
Can I?

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Ask you a question that you may
not be able to answer.

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Sure, Mike.
Shoot, man.

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What?
Is it about math?

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Like, how does your brain work
like that?

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I mean, what makes math so
interesting?

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My brother's like that, like
some people's brains, just

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they're geared towards that side
of life and I, I just don't get

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it because I'm bad at even
simple math.

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Yeah, I, I think personally that
I have AI have a curious mind

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about a lot of things, but I
have a curious mind when it

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comes to the intuitively the way
things function.

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And so like I always just sort
of get like how an engine works

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or how thermodynamics works
across the surface or how, you

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know, fluid flows around an
object.

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It did to me, it makes sense.
And, and so I think in the

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mathematics side of things other
than just the, I really just

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enjoy more complex things to, to
sort of sort through and figure

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out.
It's a way for me to explain to

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myself and other people why
something's happening.

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Why, why is the water freezing
or why is the air flowing in a

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certain way?
So I don't know.

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I say it's like a, it's like a
language.

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Like my brother, he is a
polyglot.

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What's a?
What's a Poly?

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What's a polyglot?
He he speaks lots of languages.

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Oh, right on.
More.

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Yeah, more than something today.
That's awesome.

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Yeah, more than three or four.
And he speaks them forwards and

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backwards.
So like the word really the,

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the, the the English language he
taught his twin to to speak

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backwards English.
They call the language straw

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cab, which is the word backwards
backwards.

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Wicked.
And so Mark is crammed right and

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and Chris would be shirk right.
He can speak like.

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Full sentences like that, like.
Fluent like we're talking right

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now.
Wow, that's.

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Amazing.
Insanely, insanely.

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He learns French as his second
language and he taught his

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friend Steven to speak backwards
French that.

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Is so wow right?
And so he's just got this gift

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for language.
And so when he's, as a matter of

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fact, when he's talking to you,
like when he starts speaking

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French, his he gets very French.
He's very, very, you know,

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Francophile.
Yeah, exactly.

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And then he.
Speaks.

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When he speaks German, he
becomes, yeah, that's.

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Amazing.
Man, right.

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That's amazing.
He gets he gets language and I

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get math and science.
Life it all.

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Makes sense now, right?
So it's just kind of two, I

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guess there's two different ways
that you sort of get the world

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right real quick.
What did your parents do?

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I was.
Just going to ask him that.

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Thank you.
They're.

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All mixed up.
So my, my, my, my dad has a PhD

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in pharmacology, of course, and
he's also an MD and he has a

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also a undergrad degree in
history And so, and he's a

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dyslexic of all things, really.
And so he had to, it took him

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like forever to learn anything.
Like he reads at 110th the speed

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of a normal person, right?
Wow.

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And my mom, it's impressive that
he did.

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What he did, yeah.
Yeah, they met in East Texas

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going to school and she.
Didn't finish university and so

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she's been, she's had they, they
were together for 16 years and

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16 years and then they divorced.
And so she has had a variety of

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marketing and sales type thing.
So she's a very outgoing, social

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butterfly style personality,
very salesy.

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I would say my, you know, my, my
grandparents probably had more

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of an influence on me because of
my parents were divorced and I

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spent a lot of time with my
grandparents kind of, you know,

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teenage years and, and after,
you know, so I would say my

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grandma when I, I used to stay
with her in the summertime with

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my, my four brothers.
And she taught me the arts.

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So she taught me when I was 5 to
write poetry.

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She taught me to paint
watercolors.

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My grandpa taught me to do pen
and ink.

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My brain is mixed up.
My dad's left-handed, my mom's

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right-handed, and so I paint.
I paint watercolors and do

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creative work in calligraphy
with my left hand.

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And I do.
I do engineering work, math, and

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pen and ink drawing with my
right hand.

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Wow.
That's.

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Amazing It's it's Chris is
terrible.

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It's terrible because look OK, I
got OK.

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You think like a normal thing,
like I played, I played

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football, like I played tennis
going in in school.

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And so, you know, my dad and I
go out that or baseball, I go,

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we go out to throw the baseball
and it's like, what hand am I

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going to throw it with?
I don't know.

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And so I got to go, I got to go
hard with the left hand and then

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with the right hand and I'm
like, which one am I feeling

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better?
OK, I'm going to do that thing.

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So every single thing like I
play ping pong left-handed, I

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play tennis right-handed, I play
racquetball left-handed.

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It's like so it it takes you
twice as long to figure out

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whether you like a thing or how
you do the thing with your body.

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So you're.
Like, extremely.

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What is it?
Ambidextrous.

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Ambidextrous.
Just right down the middle.

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And be confused.
Yeah, I'm like, wow.

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I'm like, no.
So do you?

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Do you have kids?
I do.

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I do so so.
Did any of this translate into

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the kids?
Yes.

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Unfortunately, my daughter's
like, what did you do to me,

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Dad?
So my daughter's trying to

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figure out how to write when
she's go in grade school, right?

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And so she's like, and I did the
same thing, like right-handed,

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left-handed, right-handed,
left-handed.

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OK.
And so she is trying to and

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she's like, I don't know, maybe
6 or 7 and she still hasn't

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quite decided yet.
And So what she ends up with is

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she, she holds the pencil like a
left-handed person would hold,

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which is different than a
right-handed grip.

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OK.
She uses a left-handed grip in

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her right hand to write with a
right-handed slant, Right.

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It's like the oddest thing ever
to watch her, right.

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It's like, OK, Megan, that's her
name is Megan.

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It's like, OK, that's odd.
And she's like me.

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She has to figure out what she's
going to do when she's picking

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up a thing.
So she plays racket sports with

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different hands.
And.

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Yeah.
Yeah, my grandson is

453
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,320
left-handed.
My oldest grandson who's 6, and

454
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,440
everybody else is right-handed.
We don't know where that came

455
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:22,800
from.
And then his little brother is

456
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,720
right-handed and we thought he
was.

457
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,200
So I coached him in baseball, I
coached him in football.

458
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,760
And we were always right hand,
right hand, right hand.

459
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,760
And then we realized one day, oh
shit, he's left-handed like

460
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:32,920
that.
Explained everything.

461
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,360
Poor.
Little man, everything yeah, my,

462
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,040
that's, that's really cool.
My yeah.

463
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:47,440
My, my dad when he grew up, he,
he, so he was left-handed, but

464
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:53,240
they had no left-handed gear and
so he had to play with a

465
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,320
right-handed MIT.
He was good at baseball.

466
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,480
He had to play with a
right-handed MIT and he would

467
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:03,840
catch the ball and then he would
take MIT off, drop the ball.

468
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,160
I saw him throw that.
There was a baseball player, I

469
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,440
think his name was Jim Abbott,
where he didn't have a hand.

470
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,960
He lost his hand.
He was a birth defect, so he did

471
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,360
that.
He was a pitcher, so he would

472
00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:18,480
throw the ball and as after he
released the ball, he he'd have

473
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,400
the glove on and then when he
catch something like super fast

474
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,560
man, he would just get rid of
that glove ball.

475
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,920
It was crazy.
So yeah, it can be, you know,

476
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,920
Rick Allen, 1 foot exam and you
can do all kinds of shit.

477
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,480
You put your mind to it, right?
Yeah.

478
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,080
Yeah, that's that's crazy.
Yeah.

479
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,880
So, OK, we we've spent 10
minutes here talking about the

480
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,040
ambidextrous of you.
What?

481
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,560
What about this?
Why are we really here, Mark?

482
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:48,240
Yeah, I'd say, you know, first
of all, I checked out you guys

483
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,440
show I really enjoy, you know,
your, your the vibe for your

484
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,360
show and you guys and your
artists.

485
00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:58,160
And I think so from from my
point of view, you know, I have

486
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,080
a a music project and so I've
done a career pivot.

487
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:06,240
So I went from being the the
aerospace dude to doing some

488
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,160
life sciences for a little bit,
and then I picked up a guitar to

489
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,000
play a song to my wife for our
anniversary, right?

490
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,400
Handed or left-handed?
See, you know I'm Chris like I'm

491
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,480
in the shop, right?
And the shop had no left-handed

492
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:21,840
guitars.
Very.

493
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,600
Rarely do that I.
Was forced to do it with my

494
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,880
right hand, which is OK, but
actually I'm OK with the

495
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,520
right-handed guitar playing.
I wish I could turn my piano

496
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:39,440
inverted because I really want
to play the melody with my left

497
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,880
hand and the rhythm or bass
notes with my right hand when

498
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,120
I'm playing the melody.
And you can transpose on a

499
00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:50,880
keyboard but you can't flip it
right anyway, so right-handed.

500
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:51,400
Why?
Did why?

501
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:52,600
That's just just squirrel
moment.

502
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,600
Why don't you just Jimi Hendrix
that shit and turn the guitar

503
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:55,960
upside down?
I I.

504
00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:01,960
I, I would have, but I, it
didn't register for me that that

505
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,360
was a thing to do because I
like, I had done nothing

506
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:07,880
musical, no singing, no playing,
no nothing.

507
00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:11,640
And so 2011 I pick up a guitar
to play a wife, my wife a song

508
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,480
for anniversary.
And I'm like, OK.

509
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,000
And the guitar shop owner, I
said, look, I'm going to buy

510
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,240
this acoustic guitar.
I'll even buy like the little

511
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,120
bit nicer model from you, but
you got to agree to teach me to

512
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:23,400
play a song and sing for my
wife.

513
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,400
So he's like, OK, I'm in.
He's like, I'm all about that

514
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:31,800
and being, you know, organic.
And so, you know, that's a story

515
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,240
all to itself.
But I'll tell you, sitting in

516
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,960
our favorite Italian restaurant
singing a song to her was such

517
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:44,200
an emotional connection for me.
I was like, Oh my God, where has

518
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,600
this been my whole life?
Right?

519
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:51,400
It was just such a a connection.
And so I've just became

520
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,680
obsessed.
My wife would say I was obsessed

521
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:56,560
learning music.
I put a little group together,

522
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:01,040
we play some cover songs, and I
just wanted to play 1 gig.

523
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,720
And in doing that, I kept
changing the lyrics to the songs

524
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,720
that I was singing because I
didn't like the way or I just

525
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,000
wouldn't sing a song because I
didn't like the vibe for the

526
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,920
song.
And that kind of removes a lot

527
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,080
of material from your
repertoire, right, that

528
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,920
everybody wants to hear if
you're doing that.

529
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,960
And so I 2018, I decided, OK,
I'm going to write my own stuff.

530
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,880
And I taught myself and, you
know, bought a few courses

531
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:34,360
online to sort of self study.
And so here I am, you know, my

532
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:39,560
first album went out in 2018 in
May, unfortunately, because

533
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,240
COVID had a tour set up behind
that and COVID sort of shut down

534
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:49,320
all of our tour dates.
And then I sort of roll through

535
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,040
COVID.
Well, the, the first month I was

536
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,120
sad because I put so much energy
and so much of me into writing

537
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:58,200
the album, putting the band and
the group together.

538
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:04,320
And then I ended up after three
or four weeks of being sad, I, I

539
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,480
pivoted online and became
singer-songwriter guy online as

540
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,760
opposed to a four piece, you
know, soft rock band rewrote my

541
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:15,320
material, did a bunch of Zoom
ticketed shows and raised money

542
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:22,560
for charities and went through,
you know, the, the process of

543
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,880
teaching myself to be a solo
performer And coming out of, of,

544
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:31,600
of COVID, I wrote more material
and finally got some traction a

545
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,560
couple years ago.
I, I, I was in a showcase at

546
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:39,120
South By and a Tour Company
picked me up and had a, my first

547
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:44,320
big tour last year and then so
spring and a fall tour last

548
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:45,440
year.
And I'm doing the same thing

549
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,800
this year, putting new music out
and sharing my rock with a

550
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,840
positive eye with a little nerdy
twist in there.

551
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,160
That's my.
That's my nothing.

552
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,920
Wrong with that.
Weezer is one of my favorite

553
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,360
bands man.
OK, yeah, they're they're and

554
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,080
that's what.
They were, but, you know, back

555
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,200
in the 90s, they were the one of
the first nerd rock bands,

556
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,280
right?
But they were cool, you know?

557
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,760
Yeah.
Yeah, so if you heard their

558
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,160
music.
You would have never known it,

559
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,680
Yeah.
For me, I play, you know, I, I

560
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,600
see the world with, you know, my
own little rose colored colored

561
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,120
glasses.
So I, I see lots of the

562
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,440
positives in the world.
And so my music is typically

563
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,960
inspirational, has a positive
element to it.

564
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,600
And you know, I've got my, my
songwriting influences who sort

565
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:35,120
of shape the way I craft a song
and I'm out, you know, talking

566
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,440
about usually like the
juxtaposition of science and

567
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,040
philosophy.
You have a song called Boundary

568
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,640
layer.
It's about breaking through

569
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,520
boundaries in your life
philosophically.

570
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,480
And it's also about
computational fluid dynamics

571
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,680
theory and boundary layers of
particles entering the

572
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,800
slipstream of another particle
and approaching the boundary

573
00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:00,520
layer there and slowing down and
getting some new energy and

574
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,440
going in a new direction.
So the physics and the

575
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,040
philosophy kind of overlap in in
a thought.

576
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,000
That's really cool, man.
That was really.

577
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,640
Graham rambling.
Sorry, Chris, I didn't, no.

578
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:11,680
You're not rambling.
Be long.

579
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,120
Winded there that that's what
we.

580
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,640
Appreciation man.
One of the things that I find

581
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,160
fascinating, Mark, is most
people.

582
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,880
That's why I asked about your
background, because it's super

583
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,280
important if people aren't good
at putting two and two together.

584
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,600
Most mathematicians are not
artistic, right?

585
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,840
So when Chris said you were
coming on here as a musician, I

586
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,840
find that fascinating when all
of a sudden you're like, yeah,

587
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:39,040
I'm into physics and aerospace
and I really like doing calculus

588
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,280
for fun and all of a sudden you
don't hear in the next breath

589
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,920
most of the time.
Oh, and I love to play guitar.

590
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,000
Right, Right.
So who were your influences as a

591
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:55,000
musician, being a new musician?
What led you to, you know, you

592
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,080
said I write music as my
influences were.

593
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,600
Who were they?
I'm curious.

594
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:06,920
Yeah, so I learned to play the
guitar playing John Mayer songs.

595
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,680
So I love John Mayer.
I love his bluesy influences.

596
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,680
You know, he's obviously has a
lot of influences himself from a

597
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:21,120
lot of the the Blues greats.
And so I I also love the the

598
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:27,880
quirky positive energy and just
the groove of Jason Mraz.

599
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,000
So a lot of songs.
Yeah, I love some of that.

600
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,920
You know, dance joy.
You know, dance joy is another

601
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,200
influence of mine, Ed Sheeran.
And so, you know, as I'm

602
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:45,800
crafting a song, you know, I'm
influenced by the the way in

603
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,520
which those writers, you know,
might structure a song.

604
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,200
And then, yeah, I've always been
moved by really powerful

605
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,080
vocalist.
So Pavarotti, I like, I always

606
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,320
like listening to his music or,
you know, some of the more, you

607
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:08,640
know, pop oriented vocalist like
Adele, I like the way she

608
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,080
approaches some of her lines.
So, you know, for me, I, I think

609
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,120
I've got an eclectic, you know,
influence.

610
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:23,200
And so I think as you, as I'm,
as I'm through thinking through

611
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:29,280
a piece and maybe as early as
I'm writing, you know, my, my

612
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:35,240
music was probably lyric driven.
And I would sort of wrap in, you

613
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,720
know, the instrumentation around
the lyric and try to, you know,

614
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,800
push my melody around with my
chords.

615
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,080
Because vocal, you know, I, I
was, I wasn't trained as a

616
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,200
vocalist to start with.
And so melody would come last.

617
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,000
And as as I've written more, Co
written more and trained myself

618
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,320
more, now the vocal elements are
more intuitive.

619
00:32:55,560 --> 00:33:00,960
And so now I can sit down with
my guitar or a piano and, and

620
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:05,040
sing a melody and, and sort of
find the vibe of the lyric and,

621
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,800
and you know, sort of put it all
together.

622
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,600
In my opinion, that makes a
better vocalist when you start

623
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:16,360
out that way where, yeah, you're
in the driver's seat, right, and

624
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,960
you're not real sure what to do
yet.

625
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,000
That's where you develop you,
right?

626
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,160
You can always learn how to hit
that note.

627
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,040
You can't teach somebody
attitude right?

628
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,440
Yeah, I think you're I'm 100%
with you.

629
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:35,400
I think the just having, having
the mastery or mastery enough of

630
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,600
your instrument, whether it's
your voice or you're, you know,

631
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,280
the, you know, a piano or a
guitar or whatever instrument

632
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:47,440
you're playing, having it so
that it's natural for you to

633
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,640
express yourself.
You know, I'm I can, I can write

634
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,560
lyrics all day, but taking a
lyric and making something

635
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,280
powerful and moving and and
emotionally connection

636
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,440
connecting with that, that's
that requires such intuition,

637
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,240
you know, from all the elements
of your musicality, right Well.

638
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,920
Here's a good example.
I can teach somebody to become a

639
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,880
good beginner to intermediate
guitarist, but past that, you're

640
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,360
on your own, right?
Because I can do things on my

641
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,159
instrument that I can't explain
to you.

642
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:20,920
I can't tell you the theory
behind why it happened.

643
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,920
I can only let you hear it and
say, you know, it either sounds

644
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,800
good or it doesn't.
So if you say something sounds

645
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,639
amazing, I can't just talk you
through how I just did that.

646
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:34,639
I just did it right.
It came through the universe to

647
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:38,760
me, back to the universe.
That I feel you exactly.

648
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,560
It's like one man's it's like,
OK, so I'm like like I'll write

649
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,440
a I'll write a lick on my guitar
and then like let's say I'm

650
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:53,600
cutting a track and my producer
is is doing some of the guitar

651
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,040
parts and he cuts the lick that
I created right, as opposed to

652
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,360
asking me to cut it for whatever
reason, right.

653
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:05,240
And I'm listening to him like,
that's not my lick.

654
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,960
It's it's his interpretation of
my lick, right?

655
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,560
Which is like, OK, so two guys
sort of fitting in the pocket of

656
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,440
the music in a different way,
right?

657
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,880
Which is totally interesting to
me because I was thinking like,

658
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,120
you know, if I sent my lick to
Mike, Mike would play the same

659
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,240
way I would.
And he wouldn't.

660
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:25,920
He would play it his way.
Absolutely.

661
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:28,040
It's like, OK, that's really
cool.

662
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,240
Here's.
Another thing that'll make

663
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:32,280
people's heads turn is when you
tell them that you had to go

664
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,720
back and learn something that
you recorded right.

665
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:37,000
I'm like, I'm not sure I could
play it quite that way again.

666
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,440
And they're like, didn't you
write it?

667
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,600
Yeah.
But you don't quite understand,

668
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,200
right?
That was a moment in time that

669
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,760
happened that might never happen
again.

670
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,240
That that yeah, like you have
right now you have my song up.

671
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,560
What does it mean to be human?
The cover of it right.

672
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,880
And I've got this really cool,
you know, sort of Latin ish boss

673
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,560
ish beat that's cooking in the
background and it's got these

674
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,800
licks.
You know, even like when I go to

675
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,760
when, when I make the
arrangement for that song where

676
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,040
it's just me playing, it's just
solo me playing.

677
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,360
So I get only one guitar.
And you have to carry the whole

678
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,320
song on it.
Then you have to rearrange the

679
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,560
whole song anyway because how
much of it is percussion

680
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,560
important?
How much of it is the melody,

681
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,160
the back melody or the counter
melody, right?

682
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:23,880
How are you doing all the pieces
all at once on one instrument I.

683
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,640
I just have to interject too.
Do you look like somebody that

684
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,840
would be fun just to freaking
hang out with for a few months?

685
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,160
You know, it's just, I mean,
it's just everything that I see

686
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,600
on your and this is I like doing
this when we're talking to

687
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,400
somebody, you know, Mike loves
talking more music and the

688
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,440
dynamics of music and like you
guys are having.

689
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,760
So that gives me the, the kind
of freedom just to kind of go

690
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,320
down journeys of the people
we're talking to.

691
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,080
And I, I, there's not a single
picture that I'm like, oh, that

692
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,760
looks like it was fun.
I think it's the same thing in

693
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,480
my head as you've been scrolling
through here.

694
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:58,720
It's like, yeah.
It's a blast.

695
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:01,400
Man, yeah.
I'm having so much fun.

696
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,400
It should be illegal.
That's supposed to be life, man.

697
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,120
Yeah.
Yeah, and my wife is so amazing.

698
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,480
She's like, she's watched me
reinvent myself right over.

699
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,160
And over again.
Yeah, and she's like, hello, I

700
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:20,680
did not marry a musician, you
know, but she's been super

701
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,840
amazing and super supportive.
And I can't be more thankful

702
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,720
for, you know, for her being
wives.

703
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:29,760
Wives don't like musicians, man,
Even though you tell them on the

704
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,600
very first date, this is what
I'm going to do with the rest of

705
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:32,600
my life.
They just, they don't, they

706
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:33,240
don't hear it.
She.

707
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:35,560
Didn't have that one luxury
though, because she was like,

708
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,000
see, but Mike?
Is a bait.

709
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,720
It was a bait and switch.
But.

710
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,200
You did the right thing, Mark.
You wrote the first song ever

711
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,280
for her, yes.
Bingo.

712
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,400
Yeah, genius.
Yeah.

713
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,400
That's amazing.
So you are Aeros aerospace

714
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,800
engineer.
Obviously you fly planes because

715
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,520
I see your plane.
Yeah, right.

716
00:37:58,240 --> 00:37:59,840
Oh, I.
Missed that part, no?

717
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,760
Yeah, Yeah.
So it's because, of course, as a

718
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,440
pilot too.
Yeah, he's a pilot.

719
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:04,600
He has because he was in the
plane.

720
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,200
He was in the plane.
And so it looks harder than it

721
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,440
looks.
So being an aerospace engineer,

722
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,640
and this is totally off topic,
but what do you think about

723
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:19,680
Artemis 2?
Oh, you know, so Chris aerospace

724
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:25,520
has two segments to it.
So there is the orbital

725
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,880
mechanics crowd and then there
is the compressible fluids or

726
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,520
the atmospheric flight people,
right.

727
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,520
And so So which one are?
You I'm.

728
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,880
The atmospheric flight guy
because I like, I like my hair

729
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,360
to be on fire.
I used to race motorcycles.

730
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:43,440
I like that's not.
Surprising.

731
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,040
Fast, right?
Surprise.

732
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,560
You know, I'm like, OK, so and I
like to feel those G's when I'm

733
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,080
when I'm flying or whatever can.
You just give us a list of

734
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,640
things that you haven't done in
your life.

735
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,040
Life resume times like like like
you, you so far are beating

736
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,240
everybody that we've ever talked
to as far as life resume is

737
00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:05,240
concerned just in this fur
volume. 35 minutes of

738
00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:08,800
conversation it's it's oh, check
that, oh, check that oh, I can

739
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:09,960
do that I can do that, I can do
that.

740
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,920
I did this, I did that, I did
this, I did that makes.

741
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,880
Me angry is he can do math at
that level and he's so cool.

742
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,160
Right, right.
It's, it's, it's like our own

743
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,520
version of goodwill hunting.
And and there's no chalkboard

744
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,360
because he's already he created
the chalkboard.

745
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:26,840
You're just solved.
All the problems.

746
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:33,120
You know, there's, there's so
much amazing gusto in life

747
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,480
everywhere you look.
I think, I think there, you

748
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,200
know, you could live 1000
lifetimes and just not unlock

749
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,280
all the doors that are out
there.

750
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,800
Your energy.
Is infectious, man.

751
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,160
It is.
Thank you.

752
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,440
I'm feeling it.
You know, if you came to my

753
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,800
show.
OK, so like I have this, this is

754
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,360
my signature merch.
OK, It's think like a proton.

755
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,040
OK, I'm gonna let.
That sink in OK.

756
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,480
It's it's, it's, it's, it's
science.

757
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,720
OK, Proton is.
Positive right proton is

758
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:05,040
positive.
See, look at that, Chris.

759
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,880
Yes, you got it.
Bingo.

760
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,840
Right.
So there's there's there's

761
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,600
neutrons, which are neutral, and
there's electrons and they're

762
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,720
negative, right.
And so my job is to add a few

763
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:18,360
extra protons to your orbit.
If you come to a show with me

764
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,360
and you leave with some of that
positive infectious energy, and

765
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,680
I'll feel like I've done my job.
And you got to have fun while

766
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,240
you're doing that, right?
Yeah, absolutely.

767
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:29,640
We need to have what?
The show's not over yet, but we

768
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,720
need to have you back on a
Friday because Fridays we can

769
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:35,920
talk as long as we want because
there's no time stamp, there's

770
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,440
no time gap limit.
OK, so in February, we're

771
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,000
booking Fridays, 10:30 AM
Pacific Standard Time.

772
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:43,960
So let's let's.
Figure that out.

773
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,520
Let's figure.
That out because I I because

774
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,360
really, an hour's not enough for
you.

775
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,280
Put it in my sundial so I get it
right this next time, right?

776
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:54,440
Well.
No, it's all good man.

777
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,760
My.
Ass with angle was off by 1°.

778
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:57,400
It's all.
Good.

779
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:58,920
But really, an hour's not
enough.

780
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,560
I mean, Michael agreed to that,
but it's, it's, let me, let me

781
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,280
tell.
You how much of A blessing that

782
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,960
is?
Yeah, sometimes Chris will

783
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:10,920
decide that, you know, we've
covered what we needed to cover.

784
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,360
I'm trying to say this nicely.
And yes, we're moving on, right?

785
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,800
This might be the first time
other than people that we know

786
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,200
together personally, where I've
heard him go, we're running out

787
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,720
of time.
And I got a million questions

788
00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:27,200
and I do too.
So your energy, dude is so

789
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,720
infectious.
And the amount of things that

790
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:33,080
you've done, I would like to
unbox them.

791
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,720
More one by one, yes.
Like maybe a month of Fridays.

792
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,080
I'm so down but you guys are
cool to hang out with and talk

793
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,000
with.
So show me what's what's the

794
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,600
story between y'all two?
You you.

795
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,000
Can tell the story Mike you
tell.

796
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,960
Them I do.
When I was 19 years old, for

797
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,240
whatever reason, I had fulfilled
my obligation with my parents.

798
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:53,960
I wanted to be a professional
musician.

799
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,040
I knew what I wanted to do from
the get go, right?

800
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,960
I didn't decide later, so I went
and got a degree in graphic arts

801
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:04,320
to appease my mother, and I
moved to Arizona in 1993 with a

802
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,440
mission to start a band, to see
the world, to get paid to do it.

803
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,160
You know, that's what I wanted
to do for a job, so I did.

804
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,320
The first incarnation didn't
work out.

805
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,720
So Fast forward to Chris.
I'm at a Candlebox show in

806
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,200
Tempe, AZ at the Electric
Ballroom.

807
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,320
About 2000 people.
It held on the big side and

808
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,880
there's this dude singing behind
me the whole show and

809
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,120
unbeknownst to him, he thought I
was, you know, pissed off or

810
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,080
whatever.
Long story short, the power goes

811
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,840
out and he's still belting out
the rest of the measure.

812
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,520
After Kevin Martin had stopped
saying, and I didn't remember

813
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,280
this part, but apparently I
turned around, did a 180 and was

814
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,960
like a, are you a singer?
I play in a band.

815
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,320
And I handed him a business
card.

816
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,040
I'm like, we need a singer like
stat.

817
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,360
We got gigs booked or whatever.
So we met him at a bar and had a

818
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,920
couple drinks, went to the
practice space and, you know,

819
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:02,880
Chris showed up with like a
suitcase of lyrics, I like to

820
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,080
call him, and APA System.
So back in the 90s, if you had

821
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,880
APA System and you had written
any amount of lyrics, you were

822
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,000
pretty much in the band, right?
Boom.

823
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,600
Look at that.
He's got, he's showing me.

824
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,280
That's sweet.
And then I found last week in my

825
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,320
barn, I found a tote full of
lyrics that were from a file

826
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,640
folder alphabetized.
I haven't gotten in that yet,

827
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,280
but this was just this is just
from the Nemesis days and and my

828
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,600
last band's days.
That's not even by touching on

829
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,280
it so.
Him and I went on to form a band

830
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,760
called Nemesis.
We ended up with the development

831
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,840
deal with Metal Blade Records,
played countless shows together,

832
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,760
opened up for everybody from the
Marshall Tucker Band to Armored

833
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:47,120
St. to Sacred Right to LA Gun 7,
Dust, Tony McAlpine, Enough's

834
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,560
enough.
The list goes on.

835
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,080
I mean, we kind of found a pot
of gold in those four guys.

836
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,320
It was the best, Chris describes
it the best.

837
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,720
It was the best time of all of
our lives.

838
00:43:57,720 --> 00:44:01,320
And we, whether we knew it or
not at the time, yeah, we

839
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,120
didn't.
Realize it like we didn't live.

840
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,000
In large favorite like.
Like the fact that you open up

841
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,760
for Marshall Tucker Band and you
don't.

842
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,360
You don't.
You're so naive that you don't

843
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,040
realize who the Marshall Tucker
Band is yet.

844
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,720
Or the opportunity that were you
were just afraid, right?

845
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,600
Like you just you just don't get
it.

846
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,960
Then you look back up like we
were written up in a magazine

847
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:25,360
that we did a cover with Mikes
Guitar Hero buddy Ray Stone of

848
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,080
Roadhouse Blues.
And I love Jim Morrison.

849
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,480
He's one of my gods.
Morrison Morrison veteran Bono

850
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,400
where my 3 like vocalists the.
Whole crowd while they were

851
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,480
playing us not to interrupt you,
man, but no, you're good.

852
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,880
I just that he takes me back to
these moments in time and I was

853
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,600
a spectator of this because the
guitar that's sitting behind me

854
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:43,960
belonged to one of my best
friends.

855
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,320
His name's Ray Stone.
And Long story short, it ended

856
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,280
up going he sold it.
He never knew where it ended up,

857
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,920
and one day he saw me with it
and he's like, that's my guitar,

858
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,760
dude.
And I was like, no, it's mine.

859
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,080
I just bought it, you know, it's
like.

860
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,520
He said.
You don't understand, is the

861
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,080
serial number, blah, blah, blah,
blah.

862
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,760
And I said, yeah, how do you
know that?

863
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,280
He said that's my guitar.
So anyway, he wanted to come

864
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,680
play it.
And I said, come down and jam

865
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,800
with us, man.
I was like, all right, what are

866
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,240
we going to play?
And I said, Chris loves

867
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:16,880
Roadhouse Blues.
Everybody in that crowd, Mark,

868
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,880
all our jaws were hanging on the
floor.

869
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,720
They did the best version
outside the doors is what that

870
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:25,440
article said that that reporter
had ever seen.

871
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:29,480
I can, I can, I can, I can
channel Morrison.

872
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,280
At least I could, I could, I
could do Morrison like like.

873
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:33,760
It was awesome.
I.

874
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,680
Was Blues was the one of the
first songs I learned so the the

875
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,600
group I played with.
When I formed my my band,

876
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,600
everyone had been in music for
10 or 15 years besides me.

877
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,600
And so they didn't want to play
anything normal.

878
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:54,080
They wanted to play some crazy B
side cars songs and just like

879
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,040
complicated hard stuff.
And Roadhouse Blues was one of

880
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,440
the ones that was not as
complicated.

881
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:01,960
And so I actually played that
one on the lead guitar.

882
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,840
It was my first lead guitar.
The song that I ran ran the

883
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,000
whole the whole song with, which
was really cool.

884
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,520
The other guy in the in the
group sang as well.

885
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,600
And he loved Jim Morrison and he
loved to sing his songs.

886
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:16,800
Yeah.
Yeah, I used to.

887
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,040
Do almost.
My dad introduced me to The

888
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,840
Doors when I was younger, but I
didn't appreciate him until I

889
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,640
met Chris.
Because when you meet somebody

890
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,520
that's so passionate about a
group, then it starts to leak

891
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,680
into you, you know, like, I got
to listen to them a little bit

892
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,800
more because this dude seems to
really think they're all that,

893
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:33,280
you know?
Yeah.

894
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,000
And see what, what, what, what
lured me into the doors, which

895
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,560
you'll like this, Mark, was the
poetry.

896
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,120
Because when I was in high
school, my English teacher, one

897
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,560
year, we had to write a, a
ballad for the, for the class.

898
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,480
So I wrote this ballad and I got
an A and I'm like, what the

899
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,360
hell?
And then all my friends like you

900
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:50,720
can write.
I'm like, apparently.

901
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:54,040
So I started writing ballads for
my classmates.

902
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,600
And then she convinces me to, to
come to the literary magazine

903
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,040
called Dimensions for the high
school.

904
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,760
And then I, I scribed a poem
called Touch of Grey and it gets

905
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,320
published and everybody's like,
all the girls like, oh, this

906
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:11,480
guy's got soul, you know.
But so for me, the poetry was

907
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,240
cool because it opened a part of
my brain I didn't know existed.

908
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,120
And then that throughout my life
has helped me purge a lot of

909
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,640
darkness.
But when I, when I stumbled

910
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,880
across the doors, it was from a
poet aspect I was in, it was in

911
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,200
a bookstore, I think changing
hand bookstore.

912
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,440
And I saw Jim Morrison's one of
his poetry books.

913
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:29,440
And I'm like, what the hell is
that?

914
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,160
And I bought it and I'm like,
oh, the Lords and the creatures

915
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:33,120
or something.
I remember now.

916
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,960
But that's what pulled me into
the doors and that's what pulled

917
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,480
me into Pearl Jam.
That's what pulled me into

918
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,880
YouTube because I'm that guy
that when I would buy the

919
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,640
record, buy the album, buy the
cassette tape, I open it up for

920
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,480
the lyrics.
It was the lyrics that pulled me

921
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:46,800
in.
So if you really I didn't give

922
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,240
a.
Shit about lyrics to tell him,

923
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:49,400
right?
Right.

924
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,320
Oh, he cared about what?
He cared about the guitars.

925
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,760
He was a guitar player.
But that's the dynamic.

926
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,200
My mother.
Was Mark, this is a true story?

927
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,640
My mom was always worried that,
you know, we went through the

928
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,040
Satanic panic of the 80s, right?
So not that she was thinking.

929
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,480
And she was just like, are these
bands any good or blah, blah.

930
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,000
I'm like, I don't even know what
they're saying.

931
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,440
And I had, I had such an honest
look on my face.

932
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,280
She believed me.
I'm like, all I care about how

933
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,160
is the music?
You know, I don't even, I didn't

934
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,360
know the lyrics to half of those
songs until I met Chris and he

935
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,360
wrote lyrics that spoke to me.
You know, like all of a sudden I

936
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,640
got it because I was on the
inside looking out, you know,

937
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:29,840
that's.
That's amazing, I find.

938
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:36,120
So I went to my first formal
education as a songwriter 3

939
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,320
years ago in Austin.
Andrea Stolpi has a.

940
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:46,400
She does a a songwriting retreat
in in New York, in Nashville, in

941
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,360
Austin and at all LA.
And she's a former, you know,

942
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,520
Berkeley professor and she does
a lot of work with labels and

943
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,120
whatever.
She's been a label writer.

944
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,880
She's got a great background and
a great energy, and her retreats

945
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:01,240
are curated.
So you have to submit your

946
00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:05,800
portfolio to her and she curates
everyone to figure out what 25

947
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,120
or 30 people she's going to
invite to the retreat for that

948
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,040
that particular retreat.
And so I went to my first one

949
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:16,800
not knowing what to expect.
And it's 5 days and you show up

950
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,200
the first day, everybody sort of
gets to know one another in a

951
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,760
round table.
And everyone's very accomplished

952
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,840
that that I'm there with.
I'm just feeling good to be

953
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,320
there.
You know, like, all right, yeah,

954
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,720
I didn't get cut.
Put me in coach.

955
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,240
And so then the next day we
start.

956
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:37,160
So we do like a morning yoga,
have breakfast.

957
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,440
Then we do a little bit of
education about different, you

958
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,640
know, didactic aspects of, of
starring writing.

959
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,000
And then by 3:00 she splits
everyone up into three person

960
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,680
teams and she makes the three
people write a song.

961
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:58,640
And then at 6:00, right after
the late, the early dinner break

962
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,480
at 6:00, everybody has to
perform it as a trio.

963
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,520
So each group, right.
And so, you know, you're, you

964
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,440
know, eight or nine groups are,
are, are doing this and you're

965
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,800
there with really good people.
So there's a lot of pressure to

966
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,760
write a song, finish it and then
perform it.

967
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,040
And I'd never done any of that
before.

968
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,480
And so to me, like, what is, you
know, as a poet, maybe I'd done

969
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,720
a little bit of free writing,
but never to that level because

970
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:28,600
it was just sort of me, you
know, learning from my grandma.

971
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,560
And so, you know, went through,
you know, these free writing

972
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,000
sessions that we reduced down
to, you know, lyric and made,

973
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:40,680
you know, music out of them.
And each of my groups, I thought

974
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,520
it was, I thought I was just
like, in the most amazing

975
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,520
moment, everybody's we wrote an
amazing song.

976
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,800
We performed it that night.
You're you swear that you've met

977
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,080
your new soul mates that that
very day.

978
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,480
And then the next day she breaks
you up into a different group

979
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,160
and makes you write with another
group.

980
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,880
And five nights in a row you're
doing that and you kind of get

981
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:03,600
the vibe.
For one, she tells you, what are

982
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,560
you good at?
So she's listening to she, she

983
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,840
spends time in each of the
writing groups watching the

984
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,360
group interact.
And then when you perform it,

985
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,120
she kind of knows who did what
in the performance.

986
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,360
And then she gives you a
breakdown after the first two

987
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,640
days and after the 2nd 2 days
and then the last day.

988
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,120
So you get 3 professorial check
insurance.

989
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,360
And she says, hey, hey, you
know, Chris, you know, you've

990
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,520
got a great voice or Mike,
you're a great guitar player,

991
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,400
whatever she's telling people.
And so for me, she said, look,

992
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:37,080
you know, you're, you've got a,
your, your superpower is

993
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,880
reaching into everyone and
pulling the best out of them in

994
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,360
the group.
So you you observe what

995
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,720
everyone's great at and you pull
it out of them and make sure

996
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:47,680
that's part of the song that
you're writing together.

997
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,640
You're great at me, she said.
I'm great at lyrics, she said.

998
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:56,680
You're great at arrangement and
structure and rhythm and, and

999
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,840
prosody and the collaboration
and the harmonies.

1000
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:05,480
But your melodies suck.
So you need to work on your

1001
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:10,480
melodies, right?
And so for me, she's asked,

1002
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:11,680
well, how do I fix that?
Right?

1003
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,560
I've never been to school for
melody writing.

1004
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,680
She said, hey, you need to find
the very best melody writers

1005
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,720
that you you can and Co write
with them and listen to what

1006
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:23,240
they do for the for 5 or 10
songs.

1007
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,080
And then you need to do that in
the next set of songs you write.

1008
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,920
And so a a very long winning way
for me to say like I, I, I Co

1009
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,560
write with when I when I got
back from my my retreat, I, I

1010
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,720
started Co writing with
everybody and I found you put me

1011
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:47,600
with an intuitive vocal melodist
and we can write a pretty Dang

1012
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:52,240
good song in three hours and
have and cut it if you.

1013
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,800
If you give me that guy, we
could write 10 songs in a day if

1014
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,360
we were having a good day,
right?

1015
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,160
If they were just simple rock
songs and we were just wanting

1016
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:06,120
to bang out some tunes that we
could easily write 10 songs and

1017
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,000
two of them would be songs that
we would probably play forever.

1018
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,760
Yeah, and, and for me, that was
a new, a new revelation.

1019
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,480
And so I went through a period
of writing with the very best

1020
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:21,200
melody writers that I knew.
And then I I flipped it and I

1021
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,480
forced myself to be.
Think about how terrifying this

1022
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,400
will be.
Mike, put your guitar down.

1023
00:53:27,720 --> 00:53:29,480
You can't pick it up.
I've done.

1024
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,560
It you.
Can't pick it up and you're

1025
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,360
going to just sit there and
you're going to sing, right?

1026
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:35,920
You're the singer in the writing
group.

1027
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,640
You're not going to do anything
but sing right?

1028
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,840
Terrifying.
And to me it was great.

1029
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,720
It was, it was like bonsai base
jumping or something like, all

1030
00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:49,440
right, I'm there, man, I'm in.
And so after you do it 5 or 10

1031
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,280
times, you get over yourself and
you know, you, you sort of

1032
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,320
developed some, some approach
to, you know, what key do you

1033
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,960
write in or how do you sing a
melody or how do you make a riff

1034
00:53:58,960 --> 00:53:59,600
or whatever.
Well.

1035
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,920
I'm sure even as an extrovert
Chris could put himself in a

1036
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,480
situation where he's going to be
uncomfortable, right?

1037
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,520
The guy could get in front of
60,000 people right now and sing

1038
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:09,520
his ass off.
I know it.

1039
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,880
I've seen it with my own eyes.
He's not afraid to go on stage,

1040
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,400
but I'm sure he can think of a
situation like you just

1041
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,560
described for you and I.
If you take my guitar away from

1042
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,760
me, that's 60 to 80% of my
voice, right?

1043
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,760
My.
Mine, mine's karaoke machines.

1044
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,000
If you, if you want me to sing
karaoke, I don't have any

1045
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,680
confidence of karaoke because
it's, it's there's nothing,

1046
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,640
there's nothing there, right?
Like I, I, I need the music, I

1047
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:34,760
need the band, I need the
energy.

1048
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:35,520
I don't.
I don't.

1049
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,680
We weren't.
A cover band either.

1050
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,840
I mean, we played a few cover
songs, but we didn't make it a

1051
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,600
point to learn other people's
music.

1052
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,440
We were proud that we wrote our
own music.

1053
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,360
That was part of our stick, you
know I.

1054
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,640
Love that, right And.
Part of the reason with karaoke

1055
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,600
is you don't have monitors.
You're not hearing.

1056
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,200
I just, I just, I've never been
a point.

1057
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,600
I've never heard about that.
But I tell you what, I one of

1058
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,440
the things I do, Chris, one of
the things I've been doing, so I

1059
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,040
have a vocal coach and he's been
teaching.

1060
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:01,200
I had one.
Yep, I had one.

1061
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,960
Yep, Yep.
And I had to put my 10,000 steps

1062
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,400
in like everybody else.
And so I, I spent time for a

1063
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,440
couple years now with a great
vocal coach.

1064
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:12,760
And now like what you would if
you were getting proper vocal

1065
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,120
training, you would be able to
start with the first note of the

1066
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:17,880
song, right?
And I know it.

1067
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,240
I'm starting on the five of the
song, you know, or wherever I'm

1068
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:23,880
wherever I am.
And then you could sing the

1069
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:24,880
melody.
That's where.

1070
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,920
Drummers come in real handy,
right?

1071
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,960
And so for me, I've been
training a lot to be able to

1072
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,880
take a note and sing them, sing
the full melody, acapella, sing

1073
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,960
this dark standard banner,
whatever, as a training exercise

1074
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,000
for myself.
Star single banner is a good

1075
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,960
training song.
Star single banner is a good

1076
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,800
training song because that's 90
seconds of take you all over the

1077
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,680
place.
If you can pull that off, even

1078
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,120
even in key the entire time, you
know you can sing because that's

1079
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:50,840
one of the things my vocal coach
made me do.

1080
00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:52,960
He made me do that.
It's like the first song we

1081
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,760
learned was that and you here
you go.

1082
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,480
Because that is the most dynamic
range song.

1083
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,800
That's a standard, traditional
song to sing.

1084
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:02,400
If you can nail that, OK, you
can.

1085
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,920
And as a.
Singer I so many singers never

1086
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,200
concentrate on the beat, right?
One thing that Chris was really

1087
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:14,440
good at is understanding where
that not just the one started

1088
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,000
but where the accent of that
measure started, right?

1089
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,160
Do I, where's my power come
from?

1090
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,520
Is it got to be right on that
one or can I wait just a second

1091
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,960
and make him wait it out and
then he would hold it out past

1092
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,480
the measure, right?
So now the key changes

1093
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,360
instinctively.
We didn't know what we were

1094
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,280
doing, man, it just sounded mine
was all instinct.

1095
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,120
You.
Know I had this had this tiny

1096
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,840
because so Mike I was really
that sort of drew me back into

1097
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,600
my first studio session.
So I'm recording my first album

1098
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:48,280
and I really hadn't spent time
playing on a click track much

1099
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,960
Had some.
And so I go in the studio and,

1100
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:55,480
you know, I'm with session
musicians there who are playing

1101
00:56:55,480 --> 00:57:00,760
the drums for me, for my track
and bass and in the keyboard.

1102
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,120
And so I'm, I'm playing, but I
told my producer when I, when I

1103
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:08,760
hired him, I'm playing every
guitar part and I'm singing all

1104
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,480
the lead vocals and the
harmonies.

1105
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,360
Why?
Because I got to learn it,

1106
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,440
right.
And so I just got to, you know,

1107
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,560
if I'm, if I suck, that's cool.
I've got to do better so that I

1108
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,360
don't suck.
And so I'm sitting down just

1109
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,520
doing the rhythm guitar part for
my very first song, and I'm in

1110
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:29,360
the studio and everything's new.
The headphones are new, in the

1111
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,400
booth is new, everything new.
Everything's so new and you're

1112
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:36,320
listening to the beat.
And so I'm playing and it took

1113
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:43,320
me 20 takes to do the rhythm
part for my first song, which is

1114
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,680
terrible.
This is how long it took me.

1115
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:50,040
I've heard a lot worse.
And then I'm like, I finally

1116
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,960
like on take 15, I was finally
kind of getting it right.

1117
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:57,440
It was sinking in, and the
producers like, sit back in the

1118
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:58,800
pocket a little bit, please,
Mark.

1119
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,000
And I'm like, what the heck does
that mean?

1120
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,760
He's like, wait for the.
Back beat.

1121
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,880
You're play, you're playing on
the beat, right?

1122
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,960
You need to sit back behind it.
I'm like, well, my, and now my,

1123
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,240
my science mind starts.
Is that 2?

1124
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,840
Is it 2 milliseconds?
Is it 5 milliseconds?

1125
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:16,480
Right.
It's a feel.

1126
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,520
Brother, it's a feel.
How do I do?

1127
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,080
I'm like, OK, finally I just
turn all that off.

1128
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:22,480
See I.
Was going to say you got, you

1129
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,240
can't get, you got it.
You got to shut the analytics

1130
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,080
off, man.
Yeah, you got to feel it.

1131
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,080
OK, I had the.
Wave, baby, I'm on there.

1132
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:29,920
I'm surfing the wave now.
Here's.

1133
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,280
A band that you probably, you
didn't name them, I don't know

1134
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:36,240
if you're a fan of them, but if
you want a shining example of an

1135
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,960
entire career of that, listen to
ACDC.

1136
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,720
That's their whole gig is
they're always ever so slightly

1137
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,880
behind the beat.
That's what makes you want to

1138
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,640
keep listening without you even
knowing it.

1139
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,480
Yeah, that's I, I, I've, I do
enjoy some ACDC songs.

1140
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,920
Probably my favorite male
vocalist that I've learned the

1141
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:01,600
most from is Chris Cornell.
I don't know if you guys are

1142
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,720
Chris Cornell.
Ones best or not one of the best

1143
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:05,360
vocalists.
How?

1144
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,600
Could you not be a Cornell fan
dude?

1145
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,400
It's just how he chooses to
Cornell.

1146
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,680
Everybody you know.
Yeah, how he choose.

1147
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,080
Like he does this.
He does this acoustic version of

1148
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:17,720
nothing compares to you.
Oh, I know.

1149
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:18,760
I've heard it.
I've heard it.

1150
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:19,840
Oh my.
Goodness, yeah.

1151
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,040
So here's.
Here's a fun little story about

1152
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,120
Cornell.
When When before Seattle

1153
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:28,440
exploded, you had Mother Love
Bone, you had Pearl Jam without

1154
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,120
Eddie Vedder, and you had
Soundgarden.

1155
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,000
OK, none of them were known yet.
They were just local heroes,

1156
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,720
that type of thing.
Cornell and Andrew Wood, the

1157
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,960
lead singer from Mother Love
Bone, who heroin overdose, God

1158
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:44,680
rest his soul socks.
They were roommates, so they

1159
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,920
would challenge each other to
write songs, kind of like what

1160
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,880
you're doing with that camp you
did for five days.

1161
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,840
So their entire lifetime as
roommates where they're one

1162
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:55,600
upping each other every day each
other.

1163
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,120
Yeah.
They each had their own little 4

1164
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:58,520
track recording things in their
rooms.

1165
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,040
They were jealous.
Oh dude, Can you imagine being a

1166
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:06,120
family on the wall?
So I mean, just the growth that

1167
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,560
they both just challenging each
other every single day.

1168
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,960
And again, nobody's just just
garage band guys, but they were

1169
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:14,880
roommates.
They both had their own

1170
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,160
trajectory.
They're going down.

1171
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:20,320
And they were just daily, just
different songs, so real.

1172
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,640
Quick, if you're a Chris Cornell
fan, go listen to that Mother

1173
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,480
love bone mother.
Love bone or or the OR the OR

1174
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:28,800
the.
Nothing compares to you from

1175
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,960
Cornell.
Yeah, but mother love bone to

1176
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,840
me.
You'll give more ideas of where

1177
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:39,360
that started because Andrew Wood
did exactly what Cornell did in

1178
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,160
the beginning.
He took notes to a place where

1179
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,840
you don't expect them to go, but
they're just sheer beauty.

1180
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:46,280
Beauty.
Yeah.

1181
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,360
And yeah, and Andrew Wood played
every show like it was his last

1182
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,360
show, like he and he didn't care
if it was some five people or

1183
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,360
5000.
He treated like a arena rock

1184
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:54,960
show.
You can.

1185
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,680
Feel it on the record.
And that's real, yeah.

1186
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,000
Come bite the apple.
Come bite the apple by the

1187
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,600
level.
We have to wrap this up.

1188
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,440
You have to come back.
We're we're going to we're going

1189
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,920
to get you back.
I'll e-mail you and we'll we'll

1190
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,520
set some dates in February and
Fridays because again, Fridays

1191
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:10,840
we can talk for as long as we
want.

1192
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,000
This is it's just you're
amazing, man.

1193
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,760
This is Mark Winters.
I'm going to, I'm going to go to

1194
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,120
your, I'm going to go to your
share your website real quick

1195
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,320
while we wrap this up.
I remember boys and girls, we

1196
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,360
are brought to you by Riverside
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1197
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,480
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1198
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:31,320
And if you're feeling sad,
suicidal, depressed, well, go

1199
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,680
listen to Mark Winter's music
because it's upbeat and it's

1200
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,600
positive and that's going to
change your mindset.

1201
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,360
And if it doesn't, then text
988.

1202
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,600
And somebody's there to talk you
off that Cliff because you are a

1203
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,440
better person waking up tomorrow
in our world because somebody

1204
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:44,920
does love you and somebody will
miss you.

1205
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,080
Mark, thank you so much, so
much.

1206
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,640
I really, really.
We could just do this for six

1207
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:55,720
hours, but unfortunately can't.
But definitely Fridays, we need

1208
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,920
to have Fridays with you because
then it's just game on.

1209
01:01:57,920 --> 01:01:59,320
We can just talk forever.
Yeah.

1210
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,480
Then we have time.
I'm off all day and yeah.

1211
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,320
That's sweet.
Mike and Chris, you guys are

1212
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,400
amazing.
Thank you so much for you're

1213
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,320
having me man.
Maybe I'll.

1214
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,000
See you out on tour.
I'm I'm headed out on tour in

1215
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,240
the spring, so maybe I'll.
See you.

1216
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:12,240
Guys out there?
Yeah.

1217
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:13,960
Don't leave yet till we when we
hang out, we'll.

1218
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,240
Actually talk to you before
then, I promise you, yeah.

1219
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,960
Yeah, So markwinters.com is
where you find everything about

1220
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:20,720
Mark Winters.
He's the life resume.

1221
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,920
We just barely touched on it.
It's it's like this.

1222
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,160
It's just we're going to have
more conversation from Mark.

1223
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:27,120
Love you guys both.
It's great.

1224
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,800
Great episode.
I just literally stop us.

1225
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,680
Mark, I'm Mike, you know, just
mind boggling.

1226
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:34,720
You're great, Mark.
Thank you for for, for for

1227
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:38,720
joining us today.
We don't want to fly in this

1228
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,280
door to you.
Look the tablet.

1229
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:47,840
You're insane.
Feel the Jesus.

1230
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:51,000
Focus your way all get your
knees.

1231
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:59,360
Listen to the place where you
will go.

1232
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:07,960
Feel the trail behind your eyes.
Feel the Take a moment.

1233
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:09,920
Look at you.
See it?

1234
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,880
Fight the battle.
That's you fuck Wheel.

1235
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,240
Fight the battle, but you fuck
Wheel.

1236
01:03:19,200 --> 01:04:44,390
Who is this baby to your feet?
Come down here we haven't found

1237
01:04:44,430 --> 01:04:52,550
solid in the sand from fighting.
Wait for the dead or when it's

1238
01:04:52,550 --> 01:04:54,510
going to rob you.
Hit for the wind.

1239
01:04:54,630 --> 01:05:00,880
You ain't no creature we're
playing found you should you

1240
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:05,280
quit on the almighty man.
You got a dream.

1241
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:11,360
Who in your life to keep a soul
in every man?

1242
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:18,320
Take the trail behind your eyes.
Feel the soul evolution now.

1243
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:27,320
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.