#189 - Beverly Brock - The Brock Agency, Inc

Unknown Speaker (0:06): And we're live.

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Unknown Speaker (0:08): And we're live. We are live. Welcome, YouTube and Twitchers. See, we got Beverly rocking.

Unknown Speaker (0:24): I used to be in a rock band. I'm a rock band.

Unknown Speaker (0:26): Right on. Oh,

Unknown Speaker (0:29): we gotta talk about that a little bit. Now come on.

Chris (0:56): Yeah. 'Sup there, boys and girls? This is the Chris and Mike show. Welcome. I'm Chris.

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Chris (1:18): We've had actors on. We've had people that have been in major motion pictures. We've had people that made documentaries and stuff. So it's kind of full circle today cause we have Beverly Brock on from the Beverly Brock Talent Agency. So give us a little elevator, elevator spiela, why you're here and what you all about Beverly.

Beverly Brock (1:39): I'm here because you asked me.

Unknown Speaker (1:43): Best answer ever. You took the words right out of my mouth. That is the best answer ever. Thank you. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (1:50): Yeah.

Beverly Brock (1:50): Well, I am an Brock agency. People say that all the time, Beverly, I'm with Beverly Brock agency. It's the Brock agency incorporated. And I am the founder and the owner since 1990. Long time feels like forever, but I love it.

Beverly Brock (2:09): I do love it. I help actors find their way into film and TV and commercials and music videos. It just depends on what it is and if it's really good enough take off work and go to you know if it's in their location I try to submit them in their location as much as possible unless it's out of their location it pays for travel and housing which a lot of them do now. So that's what I do every single day and I also represent screenwriters.

Unknown Speaker (2:42): What got you into this?

Beverly Brock (2:45): Well, I'd like to sell things and this is like selling the same thing. I like to sell stuff. When I was 12, I was a top sunshine greeting card girl in our community on my bike. I sold the top card. They were greeting cards.

Beverly Brock (3:04): And I was so excited. I thought, well, I can make money doing this. They gave me money for doing that. I thought, this is so much fun. I told my mother, I love it.

Beverly Brock (3:11): But I had to figure out another way to make money. So when I was in high school, the drugstore was right down the street from my high school. So during our break, I leave with my boyfriend and go down to the drugstore and I bought a cinnamon oil. I shouldn't tell it's on air, I can't tell it. I made special things that were not bad things, they were okay, they were cool things.

Beverly Brock (3:32): I made cinnamon toothpicks, okay, but you can't put cinnamon on your lips because it'll make your face swell up, but I sold them for a nickel a piece. It was just toothpicks, but they were soaked in cinnamon oil and I thought that was easy enough, I only make about $5, so I had to think of some other way. I grew up in the country, my mom and dad had this beautiful house out in the country which we all loved and we were surrounded by my uncles, my great uncles, farms all around us, peach orchards, everything was beautiful. And so I went in the fields and I collected all these dry flowers. And so I learned from my mom I hung the flowers upside down to dry in one of my daddy's barns and then when it got dry I sprayed them with dark you know what do you call that kind of paint, glow paint whatever it is and I sold them a bunch for 25¢.

Beverly Brock (4:19): And I like doing that a lot so I did that for quite a while. And little by little I got to where would go to the movies, I would sit in the movies. After the movie was done, my mom took us to see a movie every weekend downtown in Raleigh where I grew up and I made them all, my brother and my two sisters and my mom, made them wait so I could see all the credits. And why I did that I do not know, but it led me to this path. I wanted to know who directed it, who produced it, who cast it, where the actors were from.

Beverly Brock (4:50): So I'd have to I wouldn't have computers then, so you had to read about people and, you know, listen to the news or whatever. I didn't like the news and now I'm a kid. So but I sat in that theater. I remember in Patton, my brother is a big military guy. And in the Patton, had to sit there too.

Beverly Brock (5:06): So I watched that whole and my brother was so upset. Let's go home. This is ridiculous. I said, I have to see who did all the costumes. I've got to see everything.

Beverly Brock (5:15): And that's how I think I first got my love for this industry. That's cool. Was how people were so creative and how they made such great product.

Mike (5:25): I was like that with music, Beverly. I always wanted to know oh yeah. I wanted to know who produced it, who engineered it, because the sounds were just as important as the songs, right? Yeah. If it didn't sound good, it was hard to listen to.

Mike (5:39): So even if it was a good song, it got ruined. It meant something to who the producer was, where the recording studio was. I got a kick out of all that stuff. So I

Unknown Speaker (5:48): Right.

Unknown Speaker (5:48): How did you get into the acting and

Unknown Speaker (5:51): the music side of it? Obviously, you fell in love

Mike (5:53): with movies. How'd you get into the music side of it?

Beverly Brock (5:55): I used to sing in my church choir.

Unknown Speaker (5:58): Nice.

Beverly Brock (5:58): And that was when I was younger, you know, really young, like 16, 17, something like that. And my daddy want me be a Christian music singer. And I said, daddy, it's really hard to get into Christian music. It was then. Had no idea.

Beverly Brock (6:08): I didn't know it. It's still hard to get into Christian music unless you get in there and you do a crossover, you do rock and Christian. Then it's a little easier. But I said, daddy, it's too hard. But then I got into a folk musical, one of the first folk musicals ever.

Beverly Brock (6:22): It was our church and it's called Tell It Like It Is. And it was a folk musical about Jesus. We would travel for different schools and different churches, not schools, but different churches. And they would house us for the weekend and they'd feed us. We got to go to their church and we sing our Tell It Like It Is little program.

Beverly Brock (6:39): And I like that. And so, okay, then that one kind of expanded because we didn't have enough people after a while. Then I got into another one and it was 80 people in that one. Wow. It was big.

Beverly Brock (6:48): And we didn't travel quite as much. We did a lot of singing in the churches around our communities and stuff. And then I got into another one and it was even bigger and then we decided we would make a vinyl album. Tells you how old I am. So, we made an album to sell in a community to help cover our travels.

Beverly Brock (7:06): And I was a lead vocalist. Our church had great acoustics and I was a lead vocalist on the album. And I thought, really I like this. I didn't get paid for it, but it didn't matter. We were singing about God who I believe in.

Beverly Brock (7:18): And I just wanted to spread that good word. Know, I did. It made me feel good. It made me feel like I was doing something really good for other people, sharing your love for other people and making them realize you love them. And that God loved us all.

Beverly Brock (7:32): I mean, I love doing that. So that after I-

Unknown Speaker (7:35): That might be the

Unknown Speaker (7:35): best description of music I've ever heard.

Unknown Speaker (7:37): Yeah. That was impressive. Oh, you're so sweet. That's how I feel in my heart. I do.

Beverly Brock (7:42): I feel that way in my acting stuff. I really feel like I'm here to help people because I pray about it a lot because it's hard. I've got to turn my phone off for you guys. I can't believe I didn't do that. I apologize.

Unknown Speaker (7:51): Well, didn't either. So I'm gonna do that right now too, Beverly.

Unknown Speaker (7:54): Mine's

Beverly Brock (7:54): I'm plugged just in and turned starting something. Doesn't matter what time of day it is. I turn it off at 07:00 at night because I don't want to hear it beeping all night. But then I, I was working in a newspaper downtown on Fayetteville Street in Raleigh, and I was the receptionist, but I had to do the part time job ads. And I had already been in an English rock band, but they wouldn't let me sing.

Beverly Brock (8:15): I had to operate lights and sound, which I did do and did that for a year and I got tired of doing that. So then I got into a country rock band and we had a it was great. We traveled a lot and we sang a lot. All the guys that played in that band were professors from Carolina. All of them.

Unknown Speaker (8:32): Okay.

Mike (8:32): I detected an accent. That's what we're talking about is the Southeast?

Unknown Speaker (8:37): Yeah. Yes. That's where I'm at. I'm in North Carolina.

Unknown Speaker (8:39): North Carolina. The

Unknown Speaker (8:41): best place to live in the world. I love it.

Mike (8:43): Where my grandfather was from so my mother would agree with you.

Unknown Speaker (8:47): Where at?

Unknown Speaker (8:48): He was from the Raleigh Durham era. Yes,

Beverly Brock (8:52): I'm more Southern now than I was. I've been here forty eight years, so. Pick up on accents wherever you live, think. I think if I went to London, I'd probably tell I'd sign them in five years So

Unknown Speaker (9:04): you may take this as a compliment? Right.

Unknown Speaker (9:06): Said something, Chris. Did

Unknown Speaker (9:07): you say? I'm going say you may

Unknown Speaker (9:08): take care of Chris for

Chris (9:09): some reason. You can't hear me at all? I

Unknown Speaker (9:11): know he's

Unknown Speaker (9:14): I'm not sure why. We see Chris, but we don't hear him for some reason. He's gonna fix that.

Beverly Brock (9:23): He's not working. Finished telling you. Anyway, in newspaper I found an ad and it said they were looking for a lead singer for a band, a top 40 band. They just did, you know, top 40 stuff. And so I went to see them and they were all young.

Beverly Brock (9:38): I was young too. But I thought I know more than these guys know. So I said, I want to buy the band, and I want to buy get all new equipment, and I want to manage the band, I want the band. They said, okay. I bought

Unknown Speaker (9:49): at the time?

Beverly Brock (9:51): You're not gonna believe this. Things have changed some I was 17.

Mike (9:55): That that's so important to establish because I knew you were gonna say something like that.

Beverly Brock (9:59): It's crazy. When I tell that story, it's like, I don't how'd that note? I wrote all the contracts for us to play at venues, and and I we got all the songs we were gonna play. I got our song list. And then I hired a photographer, I don't know how I found him, I don't know who told me, he shot us in the Raleigh Rock Quarry and I still have that picture on my office wall and I can't one of the guy's name is Davis I can't remember the other guy's name I probably could he just came to me but we we played a long time and we played I mean I did all the bookings I said

Unknown Speaker (10:34): did this is that for our band as well so we have that in common.

Unknown Speaker (10:37): We do.

Unknown Speaker (10:38): I was basically manager booking agent.

Unknown Speaker (10:41): And I was a singer, lead vocalist. Chris did

Unknown Speaker (10:43): that job. I played guitar,

Mike (10:46): had some good teachers coming up through the business. I had an excellent guitar teacher who also did a lot of that stuff for his band. And he said, you know, if you can do these things, you take all that money too. Right? You don't have to pay somebody to book all your gigs.

Beverly Brock (11:00): Exactly. You split I would just split the money up four ways.

Mike (11:03): Yeah. And mine was curiosity like yours first and foremost. Anyway, I loved watching how they did the light, how they did the sound. I learned to be a sound man. And with that, I got to meet guys like Dan Marley and Joe Klein from the Phoenix Suns because I was able to run sound for a band big enough to play at those guys' venues.

Mike (11:23): You know?

Beverly Brock (11:24): Wow. That's amazing.

Unknown Speaker (11:25): Yeah. It was a lot of fun. I was so glad that I took the time to do that.

Beverly Brock (11:29): It's walking the walk. You know? Yep. Absolutely. You gotta step outside the box, and I still don't know how I knew how to do any of that stuff.

Unknown Speaker (11:36): I don't either. I think I

Unknown Speaker (11:38): was too stupid to understand I didn't know what I was doing. Right? I just had the guts and the courage to walk in there

Mike (11:43): and say, give my band a chance. That's I think that's what impressed a lot of them. I didn't say give us a gig. Give us the best gig. I said, give us a chance.

Mike (11:52): One chance.

Beverly Brock (11:53): Right. I was just, I mean, I went in and I delivered my spiel and I'd tell them what we wanted for the night, the pay and what I needed. The guys needed drinks and dinner. And I said, I just want orange juice. I don't want anything else.

Beverly Brock (12:05): Just orange juice is all I And we always did a good job, packed the house and we had a good thing going on. I forget how. Then I met my husband. He didn't want me doing it anymore, so I had to stop. But I sang here in Hickory still, like at Murray's Mill.

Beverly Brock (12:21): I found a guitarist and she's played for me. Went down Murray's Mill is historical site near here and also I also did theater here too. My first play I was up for best supporting actress, I was so excited. Played three roles and played it again Sam. It was so

Unknown Speaker (12:41): That's much awesome.

Beverly Brock (12:43): But then another an older lady she'd been in theater forever. She won that award and I was I was upset, but it was in 'eighty one. She was taking it much longer than me. That was my first play. So I just happened to be good at on stage presence, I just get out there and just do it.

Beverly Brock (13:00): And I but and she died a few years later. So I I was grateful that she got it over me even though I really wanted it. It didn't really matter that much. So I did a couple reading stages. I was screwed one Christmas.

Unknown Speaker (13:14): Welcome back, bro.

Beverly Brock (13:15): Mommy, you have a great Grinchie squin. You have a great Grinchie grin. So I've done a lot of stuff and I modeled here in Hickory when I was younger. And so I have done the gamut. So I know the ins And I booked my own gigs.

Beverly Brock (13:29): I asked for my own money, I got the clothes from my shoot back in the day that was something you could do, but you don't do it now. And I got paid and I got the tears. So I thought if I can do this for myself I bet I could do it for somebody else.

Unknown Speaker (13:41): There you go.

Beverly Brock (13:42): And so my photographer who's here in Hickory, great photographer, James LeBrens, I mean, I still know him and his wife. He said, I did some work with a lady downtown Hickory. She's got a modeling agency. Well, I went to see her. And well, it's a long story.

Beverly Brock (13:59): Don't want to tell you that. I bought her out. But I to incorporate my name because it's a long story. I don't want to tell the whole thing on air. But I incorporated the name and changed everything.

Beverly Brock (14:13): And that's what opened the doors was the Brock Agency when I incorporated the name because it sounded

Chris (14:18): better it's than what Brock Talent Agency, correct?

Unknown Speaker (14:22): It's the Brock

Unknown Speaker (14:22): Agency. I'm sorry, Brock Agency. Yeah.

Beverly Brock (14:25): That's okay. I tell my talent all the time and they steal. They just steal. It's like, I'm with the Beverly Brock Agency. But you know what?

Beverly Brock (14:32): I don't care. At least they're saying I don't care.

Unknown Speaker (14:34): Well, this is why I asked because I like to I to share our

Unknown Speaker (14:39): guest stuff. There you go. This is Travis. I was gonna tell you, you need to do an interview with him. He's great.

Beverly Brock (14:45): He's been in a lot of shows.

Unknown Speaker (14:46): Well, get him on the show. Send him our way. Will do

Unknown Speaker (14:49): it. Send

Unknown Speaker (14:49): him our way.

Beverly Brock (14:52): And Doctor. Sam Maguera, he's awesome too. Mean, he's doing an international commercial right now. I've got some great, great talent. Mean Barry Price and I mean I can't name all of them but they're all so great.

Beverly Brock (15:03): Spend all my time talking about them and I've got great families that do a lot of work. We do a lot of variety of

Unknown Speaker (15:10): things I see lots that. Of Look at that.

Beverly Brock (15:13): And I love the families when they update their photos. I mean, it's like, oh my gosh, you guys are awesome. I would just pitch them, pitch them, pitch them. So I'll send an audition notice, but I'll call them every time. I have to call them.

Beverly Brock (15:26): I said, you know I call you. I said, I have to call you because I get as excited as you get. I need to hear excitement in your voice is what I need to do.

Unknown Speaker (15:32): Gotcha. That's awesome.

Beverly Brock (15:34): So it's a long road, but I was going to divorce and one of my friends I used to fly agents down here from New York. And they'd sit here and they were friends of mine. And Kim Matuka was here one time, she was a Schuler Talent and she was here and my daughters were little and I had an in home pet care setting service and I had to leave and go take care of somebody's pets. And she was here with my girls and when I got back they had all the photo albums out. They were showing her all these pictures.

Beverly Brock (16:00): I said why are you doing that? She said Bev bring your kids to New York and let them model for my mom. I said oh their dad won't let them. Said aren't you going through divorce? Went yeah she says it's the best time to get out of town and I said yeah I guess it is.

Beverly Brock (16:12): So we went up there for the summer during the OJ trials and they did a lot of work but that wasn't their cup of tea so you know are one's a nurse with several BA's and my other daughter she's got her master's in architecture and her BA in interior design and they both are very happy with their lives and they've got kids. That summer though helped me a lot because I learned a lot living inside of New York and I went to their office a lot too. So just to learn inside what they were doing you know so I would know what to tell people to do and what not Well to

Mike (16:49): you have your people on some serious shows I've known almost every show he's scrolled by.

Beverly Brock (16:54): Oh good. Well I'm glad. Well booking's going kind of slow right now. It's like we're in kind of a I don't know.

Unknown Speaker (17:01): A low?

Beverly Brock (17:02): It's kind of like a yeah. But it'll break I tell you why it'll change. It's very cyclical like everything in the world is. Everything gets real simple but we're doing lots of commercials, lots and lots of commercials and they pay really, really good and the people really important.

Chris (17:18): So this is what I want to kind of open the can of worms on because I know the answer is going be different depending on all different kinds of variables, right? With, with commercials and things like that. Cause obviously local one's going to be paid different than a national one. It's an international one. Right.

Chris (17:34): But like I saw when we were scrolling, like there's a family got booked for an RV, an RV commercial campaign. Right? What so I'm assuming that's something that goes nationwide.

Beverly Brock (17:44): Yeah but it's just print. Oh okay. Just social media. Everything has got a different price tag And on it also has, I don't like getting commercial with people in perpetuity.

Unknown Speaker (17:57): What does that mean?

Beverly Brock (17:57): Maybe one year. Perpetuity means they can use it forever and not pay you any more Okay,

Unknown Speaker (18:03): gotcha.

Beverly Brock (18:03): And I don't really don't like being in perpetuity because sometimes they will do something, they'll say, For one year usage? And then the second year negotiate it again at this rate. Now I'll do that. But sometimes in perpetuity pays so much, you know they're not going to keep it forever because makeup changes, hairstyles change, clothing changes, stuff changes. So they'll use it for a while as long as it looks pertinent to life.

Beverly Brock (18:35): I try not to most of our commercials they pay decent. When people are starting out they don't mind making a lot of money just to build their resume. But as they stay with me it's like people will contact me, Hey Bev, can we have so and so on this commercial? I said, Send me the information. Had And someone today, I didn't know who he was.

Unknown Speaker (18:55): Nice. Reach out through my website. Nice. I don't know who it is. They're going shoot down in Wilmington.

Beverly Brock (19:00): Thought, Yeah, I got people down there and they're going to shoot this. This will be great, but it has to be not union. It's non union because commercials that are not SAG, you can't have SAG people in and you can have non union in SAG though.

Unknown Speaker (19:11): Gotcha.

Unknown Speaker (19:13): Yeah. It's really kind of strange.

Unknown Speaker (19:14): Yeah. That is interesting. Cool. That's the way it works. That's the way it works.

Chris (19:20): Who's the biggest person you've ever worked with? The largest, the biggest star let's say.

Unknown Speaker (19:26): I lots of

Unknown Speaker (19:27): stars I can't do.

Beverly Brock (19:30): I have lots of big ones. John Bianco is a big actor he was a recurring principal character in The Sopranos and several other things. Travis has been in a lot of westerns. Elkhorn just wrapped and it was two seasons and not sure about the third season yet. But I've had a lot of people in a lot of big films.

Beverly Brock (19:52): Gerard Cordero has been in a lot of big films. In London, London shot in London. He's I mean I have lots of other people too. Mean that and my brain is just kind of stopped.

Chris (20:03): It's okay. Here's another question off that little tidbit. So Gerard, we'll just talk about him. So he gets a gig. He's going over to London to shoot.

Chris (20:11): So when an actor gets hired for a movie like that and they have to go overseas are they paying for the airfare the lodging things like that or is that something that's wrapped up in the contract?

Beverly Brock (20:21): I'll tell you something people have to really really want this business. They want it. They got to want to do it. When he got that gig, was going to shoot in New York and in London. And it had Javier Bardin in it.

Beverly Brock (20:35): That's what, that's who was in it. And so he was starring as Javier. Anyway, they said they couldn't cover airfare to London. He said, I don't care. I'll be in the same lane.

Beverly Brock (20:46): I'll fly myself. I'll probably look it up. This was back a little bit back. It was $3.50 round trip on the way up his flight. Said, I'll pay for that.

Beverly Brock (20:54): So I told the director, I said, he'll pay for his own flight and his housing's not a problem. They were so impressed that he would do go that far that they covered everything.

Unknown Speaker (21:05): Nice.

Beverly Brock (21:07): So, and I do get, I do work that hard to get people. I had a girl that was a lead, was supporting lead. She should have been the lead, but it was supporting. She had the most dialogue of anybody in the film. And it was a great little story and it was shooting in another state and she lived in another state.

Beverly Brock (21:25): But they didn't cover housing and travel. But where she's going, the hotels are so expensive and she was gonna shoot thirty days.

Unknown Speaker (21:31): Wow.

Beverly Brock (21:32): And I called the casting director, who's a lovely person. I said, she can't cover that cost. Dollars 300 a night, it'll just completely destroy what she's making. And I told her the story behind everything. Hang on.

Beverly Brock (21:45): I'm gonna call the director. He loves to cover the cost. And you know, he did covered everything.

Unknown Speaker (21:52): That's mind blowing.

Unknown Speaker (21:53): So you just

Chris (21:53): have you gotta do your thing. Beverly's gotta do her thing.

Unknown Speaker (21:57): That's right. That's right.

Chris (21:59): Get that Southern woman I getting

Beverly Brock (22:02): I know people go, one of my photographers, he used to say, he goes, Hey, what do you call people that do you wrong? I said, I don't know what you're talking about. He goes, Oh, come on. Know, he said, Dirty dog. He said, That's it, dirty dog.

Beverly Brock (22:14): D A W G, that dirty dog. Said, I don't deal with those dirty dogs afterwards, but I really have really nice people I deal with. I'm very, very blessed. Now I have had some people that weren't so nice, but overall I'd say 95% of my dealings with anybody has been really good.

Unknown Speaker (22:33): Yeah. Well I

Unknown Speaker (22:34): think that's a blessing.

Chris (22:35): And so your industry obviously because my industry aside from this is I sell houses and so being in real estate it's a relationship industry communication talking to people that kind of stuff. You got to be an extrovert. So in your world, I'm assuming, like you said, call the casting director who then talk to the director and, you know, let's get this covered. So you're, you're probably heavily in relationship mode with all the different pieces of all the different films, going back to your original story about you sat in a theater and watched everybody that was a part of that production. Because if people don't do that, most people don't, right?

Chris (23:06): Because everything streams now, you just skip it. It's, it goes forever. There's some shows that have ten minutes of credits now.

Beverly Brock (23:12): Oh yeah No, for crazy. It's crazy. Yep. When you get a, it's like I, I make it my, I try to call casting directors who I've known for years. Okay.

Beverly Brock (23:23): And even some new people I don't know if they post their numbers and some don't or some don't post and then with their emails. I email them and I said I'd love to have a chat with you if you have a moment. And I do that to a lot of people, a lot of producers and directors.

Mike (23:38): An easy way to explain what you're doing, Beverly, because most people listening right now, Chris and I understand what you're talking Most people listening right now, my mother included, is going, I have no idea what this woman does. So somebody comes to Beverly, They're a semi big star. You're going to get them a role on a show. I'm that person. How do you do that?

Mike (23:58): Explain to people what you do from start to finish.

Unknown Speaker (24:01): Well, I tell them. I said, they don't have to even be

Chris (24:04): Right, they're part going be the a star. You just have a nobody. You have a nobody. I come to you and say, Beverly, I want to be on TV. What do I need to do?

Chris (24:11): Yeah.

Beverly Brock (24:11): Well you're going to have to wait ten years before you get that first TV credit probably. Because you really need four to five co star credits to get a guest star role. A guest star is a big role, big pay. But you have to work up the ladder. You just have to.

Beverly Brock (24:29): I mean, student films, do independent films, put yourself out there, get some clips, get projects for yourself. I tell everybody the same thing. Okay your photos suck. I mean you got to get some photos. And I heard nice about it though, I said well my mama took those.

Beverly Brock (24:45): I said well we don't want mama photos. Mama loves you no matter what kind of photo you have. So I don't want backyard mama photos. That's what I call them. And I said, don't shoot on your cell phone and tell me they're professional because I can tell So the and then for casting directors I want to see a snapshot to make sure they look like their photos and that happens a lot.

Beverly Brock (25:09): So it happened to one of my families who got a huge job last And the guy that was cast away, he said, now Bev, you know, I've seen those kids like for two or three years straight and they don't look that way. Said, oh yeah. He said, can we get some snaps? I said, we did. I got him some snaps and they broke right away.

Beverly Brock (25:28): Parents don't change as fast as kids do. Kids need it every year because for your children to work you need to update their photos. And I say, all right, that's what you need to do. I've got a contract, you sign the contract, you want to talk about the contract, we'll talk about the contract, fill out the talent info sheet and when you get your first booking, which I submit you for it, but you can also submit too because you get on Actors Access and I tell everybody to pay the $69 for the whole year so it doesn't cost you to submit, cost you to get sides, cost you to upload your audition. So that $69 would be gone in three weeks if you already submitted yourself.

Unknown Speaker (26:04): Gotcha.

Beverly Brock (26:05): Just because you get an agent does not mean you need to stop submitting yourself because you're working as a team then.

Unknown Speaker (26:09): Right.

Beverly Brock (26:10): It'd be team Chris or team Mike.

Unknown Speaker (26:12): Right.

Beverly Brock (26:12): Okay. Who is your teammate? Beverly Brock. Okay, and then it helps, it helps. And so you just can't sit there and wait for something to drop in your lap.

Beverly Brock (26:20): I tell everybody in my guideline sheet, contact me every two weeks by email or phone, whichever, to let me know if you have questions, what have you done? Have you taken any classes with anybody? Any casting directors online? I need to know who they are so when I submit you I'll submit it in the notes and I have notes for everybody. And on that there's access I have folders where everybody lives and I have folders where they can work local.

Beverly Brock (26:45): And my assistant in New York, she she sees the same thing that I'm submitting for. She can submit to, she can see it in the folders and who speaks multiple languages, who's a strong talent that can go out for guest star roles. Okay. And who's just starting out and need to go out for co star roles, which co star roles are great. I mean, they're not in the poo poo at.

Beverly Brock (27:02): They may be one line, two lines, but you're getting that co star credit and you're working on this with people, director, producers, other actors. So it's just building your credits and building your resume so you can get that guest star role because I tell everybody read about the people that are big now. Yeah. Guy who plays on Chicago PD, what's his name? He plays, Hank Voigt.

Unknown Speaker (27:25): Don't know. I don't watch that show.

Unknown Speaker (27:27): Oh, I I love that show. What are you talking about? You know who he is. It it was ten or ten or fifteen years for him to get his first big break.

Unknown Speaker (27:36): Wow.

Beverly Brock (27:37): That's right. And Harrison Ford, same thing. One liners on gunsmoke. My mom used to watch gunsmoke all the time.

Unknown Speaker (27:43): Mom still does.

Unknown Speaker (27:46): Mom still does.

Beverly Brock (27:48): I know. I know. He was always on it. Yes, boss. Or yes, sir.

Beverly Brock (27:53): One liners, just one liners, but that's how he got to He loved it. He worked as a carpenter on the side. Oh yeah. You have to read about those people and see it takes that drive. You've got to have that desire.

Beverly Brock (28:07): You've have that burning in your soul. I mean, don't stay in this business because I make a lot of money. I tell you because it's hard. It's just hard. I mean, work from 7AM in morning.

Beverly Brock (28:18): I get up and start checking email right away. I don't respond to them till 09:00 I want people to start responding to me. I want to go through everything. I want do invoicing, all that kind of stuff. Because I do most of my work because I had been burned before.

Beverly Brock (28:31): So I do my invoicing. I interview my talent. What is your great talent, Mike? What is your great talent? What do you want to be?

Unknown Speaker (28:38): What do you want to do? That's what I ask everybody.

Unknown Speaker (28:39): I play guitar. For

Unknown Speaker (28:42): like forty years? Okay.

Unknown Speaker (28:45): Four years or forty years?

Unknown Speaker (28:46): Forty.

Beverly Brock (28:47): Oh wow see one of my guys is a big guitarist too and he's up for a huge commercial right now. Big commercial. He was on an Eliquis commercial that was nationwide, Sag Nell Eliquis commercial and he was a lead guitarist in there. It was fun. He said, I love it when my phone dings.

Beverly Brock (29:03): That means Bev is sending me a residual check. They get their money fast. So when I interview them, I want the kids to be able to talk to me too.

Unknown Speaker (29:14): The

Beverly Brock (29:14): parents go, Do you need the kids to? Now the kids are three. As long as they can say their name and say how old they are and where they live, it's about a look with kids. Kids that are older, eight and up, they should be able to communicate with me when I ask them questions. What do you like to do in school?

Beverly Brock (29:31): How good are you in school? Do you like going to school? Do you like your friends? What do you like to do besides go to school? I know I want to know things about everybody because that's what I feel like sets me apart from everybody.

Beverly Brock (29:41): I know personally one on one what people like because people, Casper might as well call me and ask me, can we get him again? Didn't he? He African drums, I said, yeah, does. How did you remember that? I said, well, remembered it because it's on his resume.

Beverly Brock (29:58): So that kind of stuff. I tell everybody stay steady, stay with one agent, don't jump around. You jump around, you look inconsistent and like you think you're, you know, it's gonna get more, you're gonna get three or four or five agents. That's too many agents, too many people, too many fans in the pot. Too many people you've got to give 10% to Okay.

Unknown Speaker (30:18): Or 20

Unknown Speaker (30:19): So real quick. If they say they love Chris, right? How could you not I love

Mike (30:27): find this fascinating. I think other people

Unknown Speaker (30:30): are gonna find it fascinating too,

Unknown Speaker (30:32): because this is how these people end up on TV. They call Beverly,

Unknown Speaker (30:35): they say, Chris is great. Where's he been all our life? Right? He should have been a big star years ago. We're gonna give him

Mike (30:41): this guest star role and see how it works out. How does that go down as far as what do you do from there as his talent agent?

Beverly Brock (30:50): They send me a deal memo, and I have to get it all filled out. Have to get him to sign. He has to fill out an I-nine and a W-two. You got to fill out all those documents because they're going to take tax out on you at that point because it'll be a SAG project. More than likely.

Beverly Brock (31:06): And so you have to fill out all those documents and then you sign a check authorization because the check will come to the Brock Agency and care of Chris, what's your last name?

Unknown Speaker (31:14): Dunham. Like Jeff Dunham the comedian. Yeah,

Beverly Brock (31:18): yeah. Just Dunham care of the block a to z and it has to stay there or my bank won't let me deposit it or at all. So then you get the deal memo and then I have to send in his sizes all of his sizes now get those from you And usually I save them. So next time you get a book and I'll have it in your folder. I have a folder.

Beverly Brock (31:38): My auntie tells me I have too many emails and I know I do, but what do you do? When you got a lot of people, you got to have a lot of stuff. Anyway, and then I send it to casting. I send the deal memo. I send the information that is he SAG?

Beverly Brock (31:53): Is he non union? They want to know all that too. It's your And third job for SAG, you become a must join.

Unknown Speaker (32:01): Gotcha.

Beverly Brock (32:02): You gotta join. And so then we work on the deal for SAG after that.

Unknown Speaker (32:07): Gotcha.

Beverly Brock (32:07): But you get to shoot first. But if you're in a New York, they don't make you join before you shoot, but sometimes they do.

Unknown Speaker (32:14): And that's just Screen Actors Guild, correct? That's

Beverly Brock (32:18): Screen Actors Guild, that's correct.

Unknown Speaker (32:20): We're also talking to people who don't understand what we're talking about, so I

Unknown Speaker (32:23): Equity want get that out

Beverly Brock (32:26): is an actor, that's theater.

Unknown Speaker (32:29): I'm a union member too,

Unknown Speaker (32:31): so I'm familiar. I just want

Unknown Speaker (32:32): everybody else to be familiar with what we're

Unknown Speaker (32:33): talking about. You're so smart, Mike. Know he's just so smart. He could teach me something, I tell you. I just try to make him jump.

Beverly Brock (32:41): Sure. I know, it'd be awesome. But I have musicians, but I don't book gigs anymore for people. I just get them commercial work and TV work. I used to book gigs, but that's a lot of work.

Unknown Speaker (32:51): Yeah, we live

Unknown Speaker (32:52): that. We know. Oh yeah.

Beverly Brock (32:54): It's hard. It is. But I have a lot of great musicians and singers and stuff that they can get. A lot of commercials are asking for that now. If you watch, see the commercials that are dancing and stuff, just said, gosh, he's got a commercial and he's dancing in the commercial.

Unknown Speaker (33:06): So I can't wait to see it.

Unknown Speaker (33:08): That's awesome.

Beverly Brock (33:10): It'll be awesome. So that's what it is. It's all paperwork once you book. And then you get on the production call sheet, your name will be in there, your role will be in there, your call time will be in there, location will be in there, and who you can reach out in case you have gotten lost going to sit. Then your wardrobe, they provide wardrobe most of them, but if they're using your clothes, then you get paid for wardrobe.

Unknown Speaker (33:36): Oh, that's fun. That's really cool.

Beverly Brock (33:40): So sometimes they want to because they're cutting corners and they should. If you're playing a businessman, you've got suits, you know, you can use your own stuff. A lot of that you can tell a lot of people use their own things. Feel really, they look really comfortable in their clothes. Yeah, sure.

Beverly Brock (33:51): And then once you get to SET, you have a voucher that you sign when you go to SET, you have to sign it. And I'll tell you how to sign it and fill it out because the voucher is generally something that keeps track of your pay and goes through the payroll system. If you get, say you want to start out doing extra work because you've never done, learn SET protocol. Extra should basically be background people. But when you go, because there has to be background people and everything.

Chris (34:22): Oh, everything. Yeah. Absolutely.

Beverly Brock (34:23): Yeah. Everything. And so starting out as a background person is good because you learn set protocol, when to keep your mouth shut, don't talk and don't change your clothes. I mean, it's so much you want to do when you're on set and you don't talk and you don't try to ask for his autograph. You don't do any of that stuff.

Beverly Brock (34:44): You have to remember when you're on set, you're trying to learn what

Chris (34:47): to You just kind of blend in.

Mike (34:48): Isn't that what that Samoa that we had on? She was that in the

Unknown Speaker (34:53): Spider Man movie, right? She was a extra background person? Superman. Super I think was Superman. Yeah, was Superman.

Unknown Speaker (35:01): It was right before Superman. Yeah, Superman. But yeah, that's what she was. She started out extra stuff and then kinda worked her way into, like, that kind Yeah. Of

Beverly Brock (35:08): Sure. You work your way up the ladder, people know your face, they know who you are. One of my women went to do a background for Tulsa King down in Atlanta.

Unknown Speaker (35:16): Oh, cool. Awesome. I love that show.

Beverly Brock (35:18): Well, was so excited. She called me. She says, they gave me lines. Soon as you get lines, mean, you said, you have to let me know.

Unknown Speaker (35:26): Right. Because you get paid. Right?

Beverly Brock (35:27): That's right. But let me know. I had a girl that did, I said men in black as an extra too. Yep girl, she was like 12. And she got lines coming off the school bus.

Beverly Brock (35:43): And her mom told me a week later, and that's way too late because who's going to corroborate that? Maybe they cut it out. Maybe they didn't cut it out. Don't know. But you have to tell your agent immediately because I'll reach out to casting and say we need a contract.

Beverly Brock (35:58): They should offer it on set generally. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. It's so busy on set they just it's covered up.

Chris (36:04): Okay. So you're doing a scene. I'm an extra. I'm just standing there the director says give me a line. These pretzels are making me thirsty.

Chris (36:11): So after I deliver that line, I need to hold on one minute. Beverly, I just had a line.

Beverly Brock (36:16): No. No. No. You got once you have a break Okay. Then you call.

Unknown Speaker (36:20): Okay. Okay.

Unknown Speaker (36:20): You don't call me. I wanna stand in front of everybody else.

Unknown Speaker (36:23): Okay.

Unknown Speaker (36:23): You call me. Get a break.

Unknown Speaker (36:24): Just making sure. Cut. Cut. I gotta call my agent right now.

Beverly Brock (36:30): Yep. Then we both make money. I don't make my 10%, but you make good money. And then you get residuals if you're talking in a SAG project. So you've got to think about it.

Beverly Brock (36:40): Do I want to make money? Do I not want to make money? I better call. I'll call her tomorrow. Then you forget it.

Beverly Brock (36:45): You've got to remember it.

Chris (36:47): See I don't think I would ever forget if I all of a sudden didn't have a line and I got a line because right there you know I know enough about acting from, you know, way back when I've been there, done that stuff that once you got a line, you're getting paid. Whether it's, whether the line is like, hello, or whether the line is, this pencil is making me thirsty, it's still a line regardless of the length of words that you say. One more Now if you get three if you're in three movies correct me if I'm wrong three movies three projects whatever and you have lines in all three then like you alluded to earlier then that's when you have to join SAC.

Beverly Brock (37:19): That's when you're a must join and they'll send us a letter

Unknown Speaker (37:24): and

Beverly Brock (37:24): say you're a must join and then you can follow the protocol to join. Now I think we get a discount on SAC in North Carolina and maybe in South Carolina too. I'm not sure about South Carolina, but I think we get a discount on SAG here. Joining SAG does not necessarily mean you're to get more work.

Unknown Speaker (37:42): Right. It's just

Beverly Brock (37:44): a union. Doesn't mean just a union and I like them a lot, But if you join SAG and you're not that well known yet, may not be working for a bid because there's so much non union stuff.

Unknown Speaker (37:56): Right.

Beverly Brock (37:57): You have to weigh the odds, but if you're a must join and you want to move ahead, you need to really do the steps.

Unknown Speaker (38:04): So do you not make any money non union?

Beverly Brock (38:07): Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. But you don't residuals The on only thing you do get, say you did mozz apple sauce and they were going to use it for one year for a thousand dollars or $2,000 and then they're going to buy it out to use it another year if it was successful. That happens all the time.

Unknown Speaker (38:28): Okay.

Beverly Brock (38:28): Okay. And then you have to watch it because I had a guy in a commercial and they never told us it was running again. And he said, My mom and dad saw it on TV. So I called up the company. I said, Hey, that's running again you need to pay us some money.

Beverly Brock (38:44): They happened eight wow. Why don't you just pay them $30,000 and you can use as long as you want to. He says no I didn't want to it. Said you probably paid us that much money already. I said, just that way no one would be forgetting anything.

Beverly Brock (38:58): And he goes, I said, well okay whatever you want to do we'll see it and that's fine. People are easy to work with and you know what as long as you're easy to work with they're going be easy to

Unknown Speaker (39:09): work I found that

Unknown Speaker (39:09): in the music business as well.

Unknown Speaker (39:12): Be nice to

Unknown Speaker (39:12): Just keep kind.

Unknown Speaker (39:15): That's right. Want to treat others the way you want to be treated. That's what you have Respect.

Chris (39:19): See you're from like you know now North Carolina, so you get the yes ma'am, yes sir, you know, please and thank yous that, you know, I do that all the time in my business and I get shit from people like, Dude, I'm not your grandmother. I'm like, Well, it's just a respect thing. That's just, you know, yes ma'am, yes sir, I'm sorry, my bad. I'll just call you Beverly now sorry but a lot of it you don't hear that very much anymore you know at least in my world.

Beverly Brock (39:44): A lot of my actors call me Miss Rock they will not call me by my first name and most of them guess what they are what they've been.

Unknown Speaker (39:52): Military. Yeah.

Beverly Brock (39:53): That's exactly right. Yep. Every single one of them, not everybody, but I'd say nine out of 10 had been military. And they were raised around here. One of them was into Washington, but most of them had been around here.

Beverly Brock (40:07): And they said, that's the way I was raised, Ms. Brock, and that's the way I was raised in the military too. I said, okay, whatever works for you. Now I have others that call me boss. They call me El Jefe.

Unknown Speaker (40:19): What are you playing on them? I'm what? And he said, no, no, El Jefe means balls. I went, oh, okay. So I have a lot of great talent and they're good personalities, funny.

Beverly Brock (40:33): And the ones who leave always regret it just about every time because I work hard for people and when they decide they want to exit for whatever reason I said once you leave the door you cannot do

Unknown Speaker (40:44): Oh you're like the mob. Yeah. I'm not going to. Know, I know. That was a bad analogy.

Chris (40:53): Now so with all the talent that you've had over the years doing this have you ever had anybody win awards?

Beverly Brock (41:03): Yeah, Dean Morgan's won awards. He's a writer, and a comedian. He's doing, shows right now all across the Southwest and in LA too. He'll be coming out to Carolina soon. He's hilarious.

Unknown Speaker (41:17): Is he a comedian?

Unknown Speaker (41:18): Yes. Yes.

Unknown Speaker (41:20): Okay. Should get Mike loves comedians.

Unknown Speaker (41:21): You need to look him up.

Chris (41:24): Okay. Mike loves comedians. So you should introduce him to us. We should get him on the

Unknown Speaker (41:29): show too. Talk your ears

Chris (41:31): up. We've had quite a few comedians on. It's a blast. It's just, you know, cause this is-

Unknown Speaker (41:38): He is so funny.

Unknown Speaker (41:39): Yeah. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (41:40): I mean, he did Back to the Future. Did, what was is a lighthearted. Yeah. You gotta look him up. It's Dean Morgan or Shelton Mushugana.

Unknown Speaker (41:48): Okay, we'll come

Beverly Brock (41:49): He's Jewish obviously, but it's a Jewish comedian. It's so funny.

Unknown Speaker (41:54): Right on.

Beverly Brock (41:55): Awesome. I mean, just love him and his wife is wonderful too. I mean, but you know he's he'd be great on your show. He would be. I have so many people that would be good on your show.

Unknown Speaker (42:04): Oh my gosh!

Unknown Speaker (42:05): You go just open the door.

Unknown Speaker (42:06): There's lot of stuff! I said it was awesome!

Chris (42:08): Yeah and see what we like to do is we showcase the people on our show so if you've watched any of our episodes, is probably why we're top three podcast of Phoenix for entertainment, because everybody comes on, we're promoting while you're on the show. We're driving people to their band websites, whatever they're doing, to their shows of the comedians. Like it's constant driving people to our guests. It's not about Mike and I, it's about this conversation and helping other people. Otherwise we just talk to ourselves.

Unknown Speaker (42:33): Right. Which is boring. Right. Know, mean, it's fun, but it's, you know, it's not as He gets bored with me.

Unknown Speaker (42:38): It's not

Unknown Speaker (42:38): as fun can

Unknown Speaker (42:39): carry a tune in a bucket. Have you ever had somebody win an Emmy?

Beverly Brock (42:47): I know people have won Emmys. Okay. My good friend down in Spain she's won Emmys. She's an Emmy award winning coach. Cool.

Unknown Speaker (42:59): We'll give you that one because I don't know anyone that's won an

Unknown Speaker (43:02): Emmys I don't either. Well, no. Take that back.

Beverly Brock (43:05): I love her. She's awesome. Does, she coaches children on shows, TV shows.

Unknown Speaker (43:11): She touches children. That's cool. Oh, okay. I'm just,

Unknown Speaker (43:15): I'm just

Unknown Speaker (43:16): playing. Jesus. The show just changed. No. Jerry Stinger.

Unknown Speaker (43:24): She is a yeah. You are not the father. Yeah. She's awesome. I and I so many wonderful people.

Beverly Brock (43:34): I can't even begin to make a list. So- It's

Unknown Speaker (43:36): Well, that's good.

Beverly Brock (43:37): She's encouraged me to write a book. Well, to write a book. I

Chris (43:41): think a lot of people that have amazing

Unknown Speaker (43:44): life- long

Chris (43:44): time, That have amazing life resonates, need to write a book. We had a guy in a couple of weeks ago. Was a friend of mine in local radio market in Arizona, Paul Marshall called the Neanderthal. And he, from the East Coast to the West Coast, he's been in the, in the rock, rock and roll radio scene for forty years.

Unknown Speaker (44:01): Wow.

Chris (44:01): So the stories that he has, just the little snippets of them are fascinating. And he got, he got riffed because you know, radio is radio. And so Mike and I were talking to him like, you need to write a book, man, just of your memoirs. And he's like, well, know, like, no, like people can live vicariously through someone like him because he sat in front of people that, you know, Mike and I will never sit in front of. Now you being who you are and what you've done with your life, you've sit in front of some really popular iconic members of, of, you know, music and acting and things like that.

Chris (44:32): So I think you should, because there's nothing better than reading somebody's life resume from a storytelling standpoint.

Beverly Brock (44:41): Well she's told me and she may be right, I have a health issue.

Chris (44:47): Okay.

Beverly Brock (44:47): And you know, people, people think, and it's nothing, it doesn't keep me from doing anything. Nothing. Nothing keeps me doing anything. Nothing. I mean,

Unknown Speaker (44:54): I

Beverly Brock (44:55): pray, I, I love what I do and I love being a grandmother. I love being a mother to my kids. I love my family. But when I was growing up, I fell out of car on my head when I was four years old because I was lying. Yeah.

Beverly Brock (45:09): But pulled out my long curly hair. I know my curly hair was not curly anymore. It's straight. Okay. And my brother didn't know I was gone.

Beverly Brock (45:16): Oh. And we were right. We didn't have seat belts back then. Right. And then carves came all the way down.

Unknown Speaker (45:22): And I was standing on my daddy's toolbox. That's why they say never leave any in the back. I was on the floorboard. Right. It's a standoff.

Beverly Brock (45:28): And we were going to get our little dog from the vet, but he wasn't ready. So we're gonna go to an ice cream shop. Yay. And I was, yeah, I was standing on the toolbox and, looking out the window and I kept seeing the stripes going on the car. God.

Beverly Brock (45:42): There they go. Isn't it stupid? I mean kids have their imagination and you're growing and learning and I thought how can I figure out where they're going? I said I'll tell mom I'll shug it. And I said mom at the door stop shugging and she said well you scoot away and I'll close it when we get to the stuff like.

Beverly Brock (45:57): I thought that didn't work very good. I remember this even at four. I remember I opened that car door and I looked down under and I saw the stripe go under the tire and that's the last thing I remember because I went all the through four lanes of road, all the traffic stopped and my brother said, Mama Beverly's gone. There I was in a ditch, a man was bringing me out of a ditch all bloody and banged up and I was in a shop for five days.

Unknown Speaker (46:21): So

Beverly Brock (46:23): it gave me an issue in my head. And so I've told people and I've helped people with kids who have epilepsy because it made me develop epilepsy but I don't have seizures. I'm very grateful. But I can tell people there are things you can do, biofeedback is something to help you. If you're anxious person, learn how to breathe on the biofeedback.

Beverly Brock (46:45): Colleges teach it. And you do it for free because it's teaching the kids, college students, how to help you and they get for the grade. So I have been called from the high school. I've been called during classes and stuff. Can you help us?

Beverly Brock (46:59): Someone said I'm gonna see you school. So I And go help people don't know what to do. And a lot of people have told me that, you know, their kids have developed that. And I said, well, just, you know, make sure they rest a lot, make sure they eat light and keep them away from any flashing lights because that is a trigger for a lot of people. And she says, you'd to put that in that book too because you overcame a lot.

Beverly Brock (47:21): And people think they can't overcome something if they have a malady.

Unknown Speaker (47:23): Agreed.

Beverly Brock (47:24): I said, hello. That'll never stop me

Unknown Speaker (47:26): as far

Unknown Speaker (47:27): as hope.

Chris (47:28): No, but she's right though because what overcome and then who you become, there's part of that overcoming part that builds the character of who you are and the drive and the internal drive. So unless you start with when I was four years old down that path, you know, and that, you know, how, like, I don't know how big a fan of you are like Quentin Tarantino's movies and stuff, but he never goes in order. Right. There's always backtracking and flashbacks and things like that, which keeps-

Beverly Brock (47:52): That's how talk in Roy.

Chris (47:53): Thank you. Cause it keeps you engaged and the movies are just all of a sudden, you know, two hours is done. It's very entertaining and, you know, so, but I like that aspect of storytelling because you go back and forth with the original, with the origin of the story of the person, and you just kind of weave through the, to the tale and tell your stories along the way. I think I'd read it. I think it'd be fascinating.

Chris (48:16): I like documentaries. I like documentaries.

Unknown Speaker (48:19): I like

Chris (48:19): autobiographies because I like learning about that person's life, you know, where you just see somebody on the screen you don't know. Well, the fact

Mike (48:28): that you started this journey at 17 years old, like you said, that's unheard of today. If you went to your mother at 17 now and said, here's what I'm gonna do with my life,

Unknown Speaker (48:37): I didn't ask anybody. I didn't ask. I just did it.

Unknown Speaker (48:39): I didn't ask them.

Unknown Speaker (48:42): These kids today don't have enough determination to go to work most of the time, let alone

Mike (48:47): be that much of an entrepreneur. You were 17. Yeah. That's crazy.

Beverly Brock (48:51): I just love doing stuff. I really do. I'm an artist too. Yeah. Not, I'm not just a singer, an artist and a mom.

Beverly Brock (48:59): Painter. I also was a painter. Painted, cartoon characters. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (49:05): Cool. I said, I

Beverly Brock (49:07): don't paint now. I stopped painting. No. My kids worry because my daughters get messing with my paint. But most of my daughters, they're not typical.

Beverly Brock (49:16): I said, is 40? I don't know. They work like they both have degrees they both work so hard. I'm proud of them.

Chris (49:24): That's because they're a mom. It's hard. It's hard not to be led by example when you have a mother who's driven. I don't, we don't know you and for more than our random conversations on the phone and text and Instagram. But you started coming up my feet a couple years ago for whatever reason I have no idea from an algorithm standpoint.

Chris (49:43): So I see your stuff and I saw your stuff and then I eventually friend requested you and it took you a while, but then you friend, you accepted that. So I've, I've seen your stuff for years, but the, the, you can't, you can't not see somebody's drive even from outside looking in. Right? You just, you just can't. So I think when children are successful, because their parents, whether you know it or not, you're leading by an example.

Beverly Brock (50:06): My parents were awesome. Really awesome. I mean and I was a great mother so there

Unknown Speaker (50:12): you I'm

Beverly Brock (50:15): a great mamma for my four grandchildren. I mean they love me because I love them and I don't do anything but I'm working a lot so don't do as much as I used to because it seems like the more I do, the more I have to do. Right.

Chris (50:29): Now did so any of your kids get into the, get the acting bug, go into the commercials and TVs and stuff or no?

Beverly Brock (50:36): My daughters did for a bit when we went to, moved to New York, just for a bit. They don't like it. They don't like this business. They always worked too hard. I said, You work too hard.

Beverly Brock (50:44): You go on audition calls and then they were in Central Park in the summertime wearing sweats for the fall. They said, Man, that's all. But they had the bands out there, you go inside and they enjoyed that, but it was was hot. They're not lazy girls at all even when they were little. Grand, two of my grandsons, both my grandsons have been in a commercial.

Beverly Brock (51:04): One of them just came up with my food back long time ago. My oldest grandson's 16 and back when he was a baby. I didn't have a lot of people that lived in Lexington, South Carolina and there was some popped up and there was a commercial because I don't believe in nepotism. Think that, but I didn't have anybody. I needed a mom and a child that was three.

Beverly Brock (51:25): Well, he's three. Lacey, what to do, I told her, I I called her, I said, Hey, I got a commercial right there in Lexington, South Carolina. And they happened to go to that pharmacy.

Unknown Speaker (51:33): And

Beverly Brock (51:34): they get, and I said, Mom, you got to tell him when we get there, he can't be sitting around waiting because three years old, I don't like to wait. Well, those hand makers were wonderful giving him brushes to play with and just stuff. He did that commercial and it ran forever. Nice. And then my other grandson, he got one.

Beverly Brock (51:51): I pitched him in a whole packet. I didn't have a lot of babies a long time ago, fourteen years ago. I have lots of babies now. Congratulations. Because he looked at my stuff like they were looking for.

Beverly Brock (52:08): But my granddaughters hadn't had that drive and desire. They're both real. One of them's an artist and a gymnast and she's a singer. She sounds like me. I was not a gymnast, but she's a very good singer and she's a great gymnast and tennis player.

Beverly Brock (52:25): My other granddaughter is just eight and she loves horseback riding and she loves doing gymnastics. But she's like everywhere. She's like I mean, I'm that way too. I can do a job and start another job, stop this job, finish this job, stop the other job back. I can just sew diapers.

Chris (52:41): So you're ADHD?

Unknown Speaker (52:45): No. Once every client goes to that place, no. Doctor.

Chris (52:49): Chris, you'll do it. It's not a bad thing. Just because do that. I'll start something and all of a sudden there's six things going on and I wrap them up by the end of the day. My wife tells me I'm undiagnosed ADHD.

Chris (53:00): I was like, so finally I'm starting to see things. I was cleaning the house last week and I was doing stuff inside, I noticed the hedges out front. Should trim those. So then I went outside, take garbage, I grabbed my hedge trimmer and I trimmed the hedges. And then I came back in and did some more of the flooring stuff.

Chris (53:14): Then, oh, I got to do the other side, you know? And so she's like, what'd you do today? And I rattled it off. She's like, did you do it all in order? I was like, oh, no, I did this.

Chris (53:22): And I went and did that. Then I saw the garbage and I had to

Unknown Speaker (53:24): do And she's

Unknown Speaker (53:26): like, you show ADHD. I'm like, okay, you know, whatever works.

Unknown Speaker (53:30): I like that. Can do a lot of stuff and do it functionally. I don't have to do it in order for anybody. It's just for me.

Unknown Speaker (53:37): Yeah, exactly.

Beverly Brock (53:38): Long as I get it done, that's all that matters.

Chris (53:40): Exactly. Now she'll do that and leave little tornado spots all over the house and then the next day I'm cleaning them up, know, because you know, nothing but love. We've been together thirty one years. So it's, know, we have

Beverly Brock (53:50): Oh, I love you. Even though she gives you all the stuff to do.

Chris (53:54): Right. Well, actually I just do it because she goes, I'm self employed. So she's a school teacher. So on Fridays, if I'm not doing anything, I just clean the house. So then there's the ghost again.

Unknown Speaker (54:03): I had a Chris. I a Chris come in. You got that.

Chris (54:05): There's the ghost again. Then it just, gives her the ability just to hang out on Saturdays and not do housework. Let's see if this fixes it.

Beverly Brock (54:12): You're a good husband. That's what it is.

Chris (54:13): I try to be. And a good wife.

Unknown Speaker (54:16): There you go. Good care. That's what

Unknown Speaker (54:20): it takes. Does. Agreed.

Beverly Brock (54:22): The other thing I do, call casting directors so I can and they say, well a couple of them say, I'm just so glad you called me. Everyone just emails or they text and I said, well I'm a talker. I like to talk. I said, I really like to hear someone's voice. Want to talk to them.

Beverly Brock (54:36): But sometimes people think they're annoying people but I think

Chris (54:40): talk If don't the pick phone you know you're not annoying them but if they pick up the phone then there's your conversation, right?

Beverly Brock (54:46): There you go.

Chris (54:48): Now where can people find you if they wanted to kind of jump in and become a superstar actor and be your first actor award winning thespian? Where can they find you? Absolutely.

Beverly Brock (54:59): Okay. You can go to my website, is the, it's www.thebrockagency.com. All lowercase. It's not Casey's Div, it's thebrock, brock,agency.com and it's that, and you can apply. There's a talent app.

Beverly Brock (55:14): You go across the top of my website and there's a talent tab. You're not a client, you're a talent. So you apply on talent tab and I'll get a notification that you've applied and I'll go look at your application. I'm getting ready to send notifications out tomorrow to a lot of people that have applied that I really love their looks, but I can't see their resume with just one photo. I can only see where they're located and their age and a couple of their photos.

Beverly Brock (55:39): So

Chris (55:40): is this what they would fill out? It's It's under the contact form. You go to her website, thebroccagency.com you go across the top like she said, click the contact button and then fill out all your information there, verify you're not a robot and then just hit send And then Beverly is going to call you and your life's going to change.

Beverly Brock (56:01): I won't call you. I'll email you.

Unknown Speaker (56:02): Oh, come on.

Beverly Brock (56:04): Well, I don't call. If I call anybody, oh my gosh. Right. This next Wednesday I have, oh my God, I've got so many wonderful people that I'm meeting because I take a break.

Unknown Speaker (56:15): I

Unknown Speaker (56:17): do a zoom interview when I meet Nick.

Unknown Speaker (56:20): That's good.

Beverly Brock (56:21): Yeah, do a zoom interview and it's thirty minutes. So you need to be ready. I send the contract and the talent information. So you have it in front of

Unknown Speaker (56:29): you

Beverly Brock (56:29): and you read it with me so you can ask me questions and I can ask a few questions about yourself. And if you have a reel, even if it's a play from school or it's where you sang at a concert or something, Anything that you have that shows that you've done something, a gymnastics reel, football, anything that shows that you've done something in front of people. That's a big that Gotcha. Helps

Chris (56:51): That's cool. Right on. And you'll talk to anybody as far as age wise, it doesn't matter.

Unknown Speaker (56:59): Won't, under 17, I won't

Unknown Speaker (57:00): talk to them

Beverly Brock (57:01): because they're not of age.

Unknown Speaker (57:03): But if their mom or

Unknown Speaker (57:04): dad reaches, and I say, you've got to have your parents reach out. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but you're under eight. So I have to talk to a parent first, but you could be on the call. You can be on the call. You can talk to me too.

Beverly Brock (57:15): The parent, both parents, a parent and me and the, and the town. I need to talk to them first, make sure they're not too shy. Cause I told one, tell people before your child's got to learn to communicate with others. Well

Unknown Speaker (57:26): yeah, you got to communicate. You got

Unknown Speaker (57:27): to be

Chris (57:28): an extrovert to be in this world and at least in your world. So what's the, what's the youngest you've ever worked with?

Unknown Speaker (57:35): Infants.

Unknown Speaker (57:36): Okay and what's the oldest? Yeah I And what's the oldest?

Beverly Brock (57:41): I wish I had someone 95 but I don't. Okay. But I have 70 to 85. My Rochester for a long time. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (57:50): Have.

Chris (57:50): That's fantastic. Yeah. That's fantastic. Anything else you want to share? Any other questions you have for her, Mike?

Beverly Brock (57:56): I don't think so. Mike, you have questions for me?

Unknown Speaker (58:00): No, he was asking both of us.

Unknown Speaker (58:02): Yeah. Okay.

Mike (58:03): No, I will link your website to your episode. Yeah. People can check

Unknown Speaker (58:08): you out from there. They watch the episode, your website will be linked there. Infectious. You're welcome back here anytime to tell whatever stories

Unknown Speaker (58:17): you want. This has could been

Chris (58:19): come back on when you get one of your, one of your bigger guys, bigger actors booked on something. Come on can with back and then we could talk about what's coming up for them.

Unknown Speaker (58:29): Or come on with them.

Unknown Speaker (58:30): Come on, oh that would be fun. Come on with them.

Beverly Brock (58:32): Yes. Yeah, yeah. Well I could do that because you know, I tell you the longer you stay with somebody the more they know about you.

Unknown Speaker (58:40): Yeah, a 100% agreed.

Beverly Brock (58:42): Because when I got a concern the other day they wanted someone that could play guitar so great and they could sing heavy metal. I thought, Oh, Eric Congdon, he can do that. He is so good.

Chris (58:53): You go. Now you know two more people. We'd to sell it to sing, you know. Mike said, Now you know two more people because I was a singer and he's a guitarist. We have to out the contact Brock agency and set up a Zoom.

Unknown Speaker (59:07): I can do that. Have to set up a Zoom. You got it right. Just to Yeah, the Brock agency. You're welcome.

Beverly Brock (59:13): Don't change contract. The contract stands as it is.

Chris (59:19): That's cool. That's good. You should because you've done it for so People should respect your experience and the fact that you're very good at what you do. So what you see is what you get from a contract standpoint. Like that.

Unknown Speaker (59:31): That's why I find it fascinating. I'm glad he asked that question that you're still willing to work with just anybody.

Beverly Brock (59:38): Well, green people get work. I I call them green. You know, they don't know anything about

Unknown Speaker (59:43): the But there's so many people who have your experience, Beverly. I'm sorry to interrupt you, but there's so many people that have your experience that they get to your level that, you know, you've worked with some pretty serious people on some pretty serious shows that they just say, I'm not going

Unknown Speaker (59:56): to mess with those green people anymore. Right?

Unknown Speaker (59:59): Oh, no.

Chris (1:00:00): I find that admirable. Goes back to her loving what she does, you can tell. You can see it. Can see it.

Unknown Speaker (1:00:05): 100%. I've felt it the whole show.

Chris (1:00:07): Right. And it's hard to feel that in podcast, but you do exude energy. And I'm glad we finally got you on the show because I really, I was going So after you for a this was a check.

Unknown Speaker (1:00:18): I know.

Unknown Speaker (1:00:18): This is a bucket list. I had Beverly Brock on the show. And it's been a while.

Unknown Speaker (1:00:24): It's so funny. Oh, you guys are wonderful too.

Unknown Speaker (1:00:27): You are. You. I gotta give a shout out to my buddy, K Smoove, who's a DJ in Joliet. Nice. And the Yorkville area.

Unknown Speaker (1:00:36): I've been telling him I was gonna do that forever. If you're looking for a good DJ around Joliet or Yorkville, K Smoove. There you go. K Smoove. He's a good guy, does a great job.

Chris (1:00:46): Right on. Right, and girls. I'm Chris. He's Mike. This is Beverly Brock, thebrockagency.com.

Chris (1:00:51): She's a super cool human with an amazing life resume. I may, I was trying to tell you earlier when you guys couldn't hear me, I was gonna, I was comparing you to Crystal Gale. You kind of had, you remember Crystal Gale? Loretta Lynn?

Unknown Speaker (1:01:00): I play Crystal Gale.

Unknown Speaker (1:01:02): I say

Unknown Speaker (1:01:02): it. Okay. Okay.

Unknown Speaker (1:01:03): You go. I could totally see that.

Unknown Speaker (1:01:05): For people that know who

Chris (1:01:06): Crystal Gale is, Crystal Gale is Lynn, Loretta Lynn's sister, is who famous for Long your cole

Unknown Speaker (1:01:12): straight here. I

Unknown Speaker (1:01:13): did too.

Beverly Brock (1:01:14): I wanted longer song or a fall. And the fall was just there. And I was, it was a talent show at my daughter's school elementary. And I was up there. I forget this song, but I was just singing it away.

Unknown Speaker (1:01:25): I flipped the hair and then when I flipped it the fall came off of

Unknown Speaker (1:01:29): my arm and came running.

Unknown Speaker (1:01:31): That was so funny!

Chris (1:01:36): That's amazing that's awesome. Right. Again, now I don't know how you could be depressed after watching this show, but if you are feeling suicidal, depressed, don't do it. You know, go, go scream in a pillow, go journal, go outside, go for a run, go work out, go find somebody to talk to. If you cannot find somebody to talk to, you can text 988 somebody standing by right now to help talk you off that cliff, get you off that ledge.

Chris (1:01:56): Tomorrow is a better world with you in it. Don't leave a hole in somebody else's heart because you decide to leave the world when you shouldn't. For Chris and Mike, this is Chris, that's Mike. And for Beverly Brock, we appreciate you all taking time with us until next episode. We'll see you.

Unknown Speaker (1:02:08): Love you brother. Love you Beverly. Love you too, Thanks for your time.

Unknown Speaker (1:02:11): Thank you Beverly.

Unknown Speaker (1:02:12): Love too you so much. Thank you.