#10 - Welcome to 2024!!

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I like that.
And we're live.

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I like that too.
I keep wanting to not like it,

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but I like it.
I want to not like everything I

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do.
Hey, we made it to double

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digits, man.
This is episode #10, the longest

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I've done anything except going
to work in a long.

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Time really.
Playing guitar doesn't count.

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I've done that every day for 40
years, so that's just a given.

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I have to play guitar.
I would go crazy.

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That's part of the reason I stay
sane, the Rock'n'roll Keep.

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Sanity is underrated.
Rock'n'roll.

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Oh oh.
I turned on my red light.

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Hey, I like the red light.
I turned on my red light.

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Look at that, it's kind of oh
now it's it's multi colouring.

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Now it's turning green.
That's kind of cool.

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Now it's check out my new mood
lighting.

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Oh, and I turned it off.
I have an addition to the studio

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back there.
It's a official lava lamp.

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It's not a studio until you have
a lava lamp, just so you know.

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Oh, this?
OK, I don't have a lava lamp.

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I'll have to work on that.
I got.

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That's kind of. 35% off at the
Amazon.com.

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If they want to sponsor the
podcast, that would be great,

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yeah.
Pretty cool.

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We'll be fine with that.
Little mood lighting.

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Help me write a couple new
tunes.

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Little mood lighting.
I'm blue.

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I'm Mood.
Lighting, Don't be blue, don't

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be blue.
Be happy, man.

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Don't be blue, Just the lights
blue.

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It's you know I can't do the red
light district because that's

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not my nature.
Blue lights.

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Blue lights.
So it it.

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No.
So it is it is it is the new

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year.
We haven't talked since last

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year or podcast.
What did you how was your how

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was happy new Year to you as
well my friend.

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How was your New Year's Eve?
It was awesome.

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Happy New Year to the listeners
out there that are multiplying I

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for the first time.
Like rabbits.

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Well, not like rabbits.
We hope like rabbits, that would

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be great.
Well, we want them like we want

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them to multiply like rabbits,
but you know, Yeah, yeah, good.

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Yes, right on nothing.
I literally had a nice relaxing

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night at home and watch movies
and that was it.

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Nice.
What did you?

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Watch.
I watched oh, what the hell is

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the name of that movie?
Revenge of the Nerds.

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No, it was on Amazon Prime.
That's all I know to be honest

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with you.
Wow.

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Which sounds like a very
captivating movie that held your

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attention and and made a mark on
your life.

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And definitely it was.
Actually, funnier than hell, but

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I might have had a few, you
know, pregame party favors

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before I watched that movie and
laughed my ass off and.

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Yeah.
Yeah, I didn't have any plans.

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Was it a recent release on
Amazon Prime?

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I'll find it.
Was it a recent Amazon release?

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OK.
I'll find it.

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You tell me what you did while
I.

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Find it.
We will.

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We we.
Nikki and I and George.

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Her dad's in town.
So we we we what did we do?

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We went, we we did stuff around
like we're building things like

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we we had to.
My buddy Jake Perkins came over

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and and move some dirt in the
playground area.

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We created for little man and
trip my grandkids.

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Anthony's having his birthday
party Saturday, his birthday was

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the 31st, so we're having his
birthday party on the 6th.

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So we're, you know like today I
was out, I was out.

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We're making a horseshoe pet for
the grown-ups at the party

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because everything's on that
side of the the yard 'cause we

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have an acre.
So it's all on that side, the

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pasture side to where the
gardens can play horseshoe,

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where the kids either have the
the swing set, the the little

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tikes, climbing rock, the wooden
Fort and the trampoline.

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Then we're getting a bouncy
house.

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So they have these four little
things they can engage in while

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the parents hang out in chairs
or play horseshoes and you know,

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that kind of thing, which which
will be fun.

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They're creating a so.
That's what I was doing today.

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Well we've we we the nice thing
is the way we're set up we have

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the acre so we have 209 feet
frontage and the sides are two

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11212 and the back is 209.
So the way we ended up setting

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up when the first person that
built this house in 96, they

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kind of put it on the
northeastern side of the yard

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where I probably have, I've got
22 car back-to-back length

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driveway.
So that's the depth of my front

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yard.
So it's kind of in the the the

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northeast quadrant of that acre,
right.

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So then behind us we have the
other like quarter acre and then

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it goes behind the house there's
you know long it's like like we

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have a square.
So right here's the house, this

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is the the side of that, the
backyard and this is all acreage

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and it's all grass over here.
We have a little paddock area

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with Nikki's got chickens in
there now that's where I put the

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the tools.
I have a lawn tractor.

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This part over here is just
grass and this part over here is

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just grass.
But we took the the edge of it

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and built it up on this corner
so the irrigation doesn't hit

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it.
So it's about this far up off

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the ground and then it kind of
dips in a little bit.

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So there's a little bit of a a
berm and so the playground's all

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up in here.
And then this is where the

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horseshoe pit is just along that
side of the pasture fence.

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I'll send you a picture at some
point in time.

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And you know, it would be nice
if I could get up there and do

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an aerial shot and just kind of
go over and go click.

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But you know it's.
Not you need a drone, man.

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Drones are fun.
So yeah, we, I know I, I I have

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a drone.
But I just, I don't.

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I don't.
I'm not good at it, man.

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I'm just not good at it.
Nikki got me one a few couple

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years ago.
I'm just.

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Spend 10 minutes a day.
Next thing you know, you'll be

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great.
Yeah.

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Just like learning an
instrument, that's all you

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really need is like 15 minutes,
literally 15 minutes or 1/2 hour

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a day in six months, you'll be
amazed at your improvement.

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I got a guy.
I got a guy that's actually

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just.
Spanish on Duolingo Duolingo.

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How you doing with it?
You know, 5 minutes a day.

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Hola ma'am.
Or crystal ball?

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Don't they esta El Puerto?
Don't they esta bano?

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Don't they esta la chica?
Don't they esta burrito, You

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know?
Mucho gusto, you know?

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I think I picked up bathroom to
me that.

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El.
Pollo Burrito.

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Yeah, bathroom.
Yeah, there's more to it.

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But you know, you got a guy.
You got a guy, what, playing

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guitar 15 minutes a day?
Well, he wants to start taking

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lessons and that's what I told
him.

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I said, you know, you know, but
the listeners don't know.

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I gave lessons for a long time
when I lived in Arizona to

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supplement my income.
I had quite a few students.

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So I am an accomplished guitar
teacher and it literally if you

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would put 1/2 hour into it a
day.

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He was amazed that it was that
little amount of time.

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You know, you don't have to be a
freak like I was and spend 8 or

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10 hours a day and become
obsessed and your mom gets

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worried about you and makes you
go play outside and stuff like

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that, you know?
That's where I was.

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I was obsessed.
Right.

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I was just waiting to grow up so
I could keep playing guitar 10

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hours a day.
Yeah, yeah.

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That's good.
So just you know and YouTube now

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right.
You can go on YouTube and type

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in you know guitar chords and
like I, I, I had we had a

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problem with our our washing
machine years ago.

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So I just went on YouTube and
typed in what problem we were

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having and and Jake and I took
the washing machine apart fixed

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it you know now I'll be it.
We had when we were all said and

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done, we had three leftover
screws that.

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Happens sometimes.
But it still worked.

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No problem.
Yeah, that worked.

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Those three.
Those 3 screws weren't really

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needed obviously, because it
didn't.

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It didn't break and it
functioned properly.

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So.
So bringing bringing that point

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right back around to music,
Eddie Van Halen said it best.

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Years ago, rules were made to be
broken and really there are no

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rules.
If it sounds good, it is good.

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So if you got 3 screws left over
when you're done and the thing

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works, it works.
That's all that's important,

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right?
At the end of the day, it just

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needs to work.
I used to get knocked down,

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dragged out argument with other
musicians that would say

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something was wrong.
Like it's not wrong, it may not

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be the way that you would do it,
or we're taught to do it.

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Or if you're following some
silly set of rules, yeah, then

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maybe it's wrong.
But the first person that I

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encountered, I told you before
was Scott.

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That said, just keep playing it
the way you're playing it and

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I'll figure it out.
It's a weird time signature.

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That's all I can tell you.
You know, it's not wrong.

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He liked it because it was cool
and that was motivation for me

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to just keep playing the way I
was playing.

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So there are no rules, man.
And back on that, too.

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The other cool thing about about
when we were in our nemesis

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heyday, like you guys never told
me how to sing, but I never told

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you how to play Give the char.
Never told Rick how to play

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bass, never told Scott how to
drum.

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We just knew what we could do as
individuals, which I think was a

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lot of the reason why we didn't
have that internal struggle and

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strife, because we never, we
never put each other down.

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You know what I mean?
It's like I may not have liked

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how you would come to the you
would come to table with riffs

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and I'd be like, well, if this
is the verse and this is the

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chorus in your head, it was the
other way around.

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But with my lyrics and the way I
was structuring a melody, it

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worked.
It worked the way I was hearing

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it.
So it wasn't.

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It wasn't a fuck you.
That's not how I wrote it.

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It was, oh, OK well, let's try
it that way.

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And then that just enabled us to
kind of have a free form when it

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came to writing instruction or
songs because nobody was like,

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it's got to be like this, you
know, There's no 4-4 boring

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timing.
There was, Yeah.

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I'll tell you, The funny thing
about that is I never really

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thought about it in that context
because you would think that

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would be something that we sat
down and talked about from the

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get go.
You know, like we're not going

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to bring emotion into this.
We're going to just write for

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the song.
It just happened organically,

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man.
We never talked about it.

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That's just the way it happened,
you know, Our personalities just

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blended.
Perfectly.

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I don't think.
Yeah.

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Yep, I don't.
Think it was, It's no different.

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About how to write a song, it
was.

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We we didn't.
It never happened.

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None of that shit ever happened.
It's no different than Jake

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finding the podcast on his own
organically.

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It just happened.
That was that cracked me up.

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See, when you told me the story,
I was like, I thought that when

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you told me he listened to it, I
just assumed that you guys

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talked and he knew.
We did the podcast and it was an

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accident that I had asked him
the question about how he liked

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it and I said, Oh well, you
know, did you find it through

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your dad?
And he's like, no, I just was on

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Spotify one day and it popped up
the Chris and Mike Show and I

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don't remember why he said he
watched it, but he's like all of

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a sudden there's my dad.
I thought that was crazy.

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I thought the whole thing was
pre planned, you know, like you

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told him we were doing it.
I may have.

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I I don't know.
I don't.

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I don't because because he when
he's in Japan it's it's it's

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such a limited time that we'll
converse him 99% of the time.

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Be honest with you he'll he'll
FaceTime Nikki and I'm not

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around or or I'm I'm around but
he's he's you know it's it's the

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mother son relationship.
You know what I mean?

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I don't know.
I get it love my son to death.

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I I miss him when he's gone.
But it's that it's that thing

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that I'm not jonesing to talk to
him every single day because I

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didn't carry him for nine
months.

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You know, I mean I don't have, I
don't have that kind of

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connection because I'm not the
mother and I think only mothers

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had that connection with their
kids.

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Dads are a significant part of
their lives and their upbringing

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and you know, their character
building, you know and life

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lessons and things like that.
But you know, I didn't, I

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didn't, he didn't come out of
me, you know.

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So I don't have even even with
Sky, just I don't have that that

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mother, daughter, mother son
relationship wig and my

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relationship with my parents is
absolutely non existent and it's

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never been I've never had a
relationship with the with the

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father in my life.
So I didn't know how to be a

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father.
So along the way with Jake and

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Skye and I'd mess up and like
hey you know first time I don't

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know I never had a son before.
I didn't have somebody teach me

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how to be a father to a son and
have somebody to teach me how to

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be a father to a daughter.
This is all new to me.

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You know I had I had examples
but they weren't 24/7 live with

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me examples.
So there's no way to know that.

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So I don't.
I miss him, but I don't have

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that.
Oh, shit.

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If I don't talk to Jake today or
it's been 3 days or six days or

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a week, it's I'm not.
I'm not.

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Oh, freaking out and sad.
Where Nikki being the mom, you

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know, her son's halfway across
the world.

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She feels that and it's
emotional and I'm just like, you

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know, you're doing good.
Yeah, OK.

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Right on, man.
You know.

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I think that's.
A Super.

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We have the 5-10 minutes I
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That's a super typical dad.
You know there's there's

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exceptions to the rule.
I honestly, I didn't talk to my

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dad as much as I do now until we
started.

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We finally, you know, hit upon a
common common ground.

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You know, we both like betting
on sports.

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So it's almost every day now
that we have and I love it.

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You know, I look forward to it.
He'll be like hey, you got any

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bets lined up who do you like
today?

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You know, it's just something
that we both we're going to

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watch the game or whatever.
And it's just funny.

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We had the same relationship
that you and Jake did for the

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1st 30 years of my adult life.
And then all of a sudden sports

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betting came along.
And every Saturday I'll go over

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there for coffee and my mom will
make, you know, cinnamon rolls

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or whatever for breakfast and
we'll sit there and talk about

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the previous week and what's
coming up the next week.

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And I totally look forward to
that now, man.

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And it's just something that you
got to, I guess, you got to find

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that common ground, you know?
Yeah.

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And Jake and I have that common
ground and it's like when he

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texts me we'll have a a text
conversation 1520 minutes.

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But it's not it's not that our
you know what I don't know how

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long him and Nikki FaceTime.
But it's it's we don't have to

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FaceTime.
He and I can talk via text and

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cool with that where Nikki wants
to sing because that's her son.

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That's your boy.
I told again.

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Whereas I'm just.
I mean you know he'll yeah,

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he'll shoot me a text and hey,
can I ask you a question.

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Yeah.
You know, and then whatever the

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question is then we go off on
that tangent for 1015 minutes

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and the the biggest thing for us
is the time difference.

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So if it's 11:00 my time, he's
getting up and I'm you know, and

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he knows I'm not staying up that
much later, you know, but.

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Right.
Because I get up every day at

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six and I got little man.
But so it's he and both my kids

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and I have a good relationship.
Scott, Scott and I butt heads a

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lot because we're both stubborn.
We're both born of the same

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cloth and you know we both have
to have the last say in things.

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We're both.
We're always right, you know?

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Oh yeah, Neither one of us are
wrong.

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You.
Know we we have a couple of

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those.
We have a couple of those kind

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of relationships in our family
too, where two people are just a

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little bit too much alike, you
know?

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Yeah, right.
I just want to.

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So.
Actually, the apple doesn't fall

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far from the tree.
So OK, that kind of segues into

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what I wanted to talk about
actually very nicely.

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So one thing that I've noticed,
and you're welcome and maybe you

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can chime in on how you deal
with this and your relationship,

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but I noticed that there's.
I guess I'll start it off by

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making a statement.
I don't think that any it

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doesn't even have to be a
relationship.

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I don't think that anyone adult
should tell any other adult what

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to do with no limitations, as
long as that person is not

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hurting someone else.
You know, like you got

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relationships where people say I
would like to do that, but my

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husband's going to get mad, or I
would like to go do that, or I

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would like to be involved in
such and such, like whatever.

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Just name your topic.
But I can't do that because it's

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going to make that other person
mad.

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You, these people realize that
they only have one life, right?

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It's your life.
I know that you're sharing it

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with somebody else and and I'm
going to, I'm going to go out on

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a limb right here and say this
is probably why I'm still single

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and not married.
But I'm I'm looking for it like

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to be a team man.
And if I'm not a team I'm not

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interested in being in it.
I don't need anybody to tell me

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what I can and can't do.
I'm a fucking adult man, you

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know.
And that other person isn't an

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adult woman.
They they should be able to live

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their life the way they want.
I should be able to live the

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light life I want as long as I'm
not hurting that person.

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You know what I'm saying?
I think, I think, and Nick and

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I've been together almost 30
years, you know, that's why I'm

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kind of bringing this dating in.
Because somehow you made it

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through.
Right.

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Well, here's there's, there's,
there's secrets to to longevity

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in a marriage.
Number one, you have separate

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comforters.
You don't sleep with the same

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blanket.
You don't share a blanket that

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doesn't work.
Don't care who you are.

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I don't care what your your
reasoning for having one

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comforter is.
You're wrong.

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So you have two comforters for
two people.

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OK, Second thing is whoever
makes dinner, the other one

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cleans it up.
So if I make dinner with that up

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and vice versa, 2 for two,
that's OK.

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So exactly now and now breakfast
is different because she's up

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before I am.
You know what I mean?

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Breakfast doesn't count.
So it's just dinner.

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It's just the dinner, right?
Breakfast.

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Lunch don't count.
So then it's a dinner thing

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Separate.
We did not talk about this pre

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podcast either, just so
everybody knows.

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I agree with the 1st 100%.
You didn't even know this was

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coming.
So, yeah, go ahead.

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No, I didn't.
This is the beauty of our

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podcast is we just decide what
we're going to talk about, why

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we're talking about.
So people don't may not realize,

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but as soon as we as soon as
we're both on screen, Mike hits

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record.
So the only thing that's pre

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planned in a sense is the top 11
list.

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But that doesn't drop till the
end of the show.

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So everything else is just us
having a conversation and it

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leads how it leads and it takes
us where it takes us.

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So there's no, there's no
script.

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The only consistent thing for
the last three shows is the top

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11 list.
That's it.

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Everything else is just off the
cuff.

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What do you want to talk about
today?

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What's you know, good, bad.
So, yeah, so, so.

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Jake really appreciated that, by
the way.

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That was one of the things he
said he really enjoyed was that

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it was it was raw and it was
honest and yeah, he liked that.

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So go ahead, comforters.
Yeah, real, real, real, real,

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real.
Raw and and relevant.

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So separate comforters.
Whoever makes the dinner, the

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other whoever makes the dinner,
the other one cleans it up.

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And then you, you kind of have
to know your lane.

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And by that, I mean I'm not
great at laundry.

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And it's it's and it's not that
I'm not great at laundry as far

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as doing it properly, but I
just, I don't.

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I don't do it the way she does
it.

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So we learned a long time ago I
don't do laundry.

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She does now.
The caveat to that in my insane

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workout regiment and when I was
doing 8 workouts a week, you

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know, in those five days, then
Friday when I got home for my

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second workout, I would do my
own my own workout laundry.

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And I made the mistake one week
of throwing all my laundry in

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and didn't do hers.
And then she was kind of like,

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what the fuck?
And I was like, well you you you

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get mad at me when I when I do
all the laundry, I said.

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So I just was taking care of
mine.

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So now I've learned that if I'm
going to throw my stuff in, I

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throw hers in with it.
And I just do a whole, a whole

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load of sanitize.
Because when I work out, you

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know, this shirt would be
soaking wet by the time I was

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done working out because I just,
I work my ass off.

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Oh yeah, I work.
So there's kind of that you kind

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of kind of everybody's got to
know their yeah but you know so

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everybody's got to know their
their lane right.

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The other everybody got has to
know their has to know their

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lane.
So there's other little caveats

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that I won't go into because
they kind of hinder on the

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personal aspect of Heart of Her
and I's life.

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I don't and I'm not Howard Stern
and you're not Robin Quivers.

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So I don't think she's likely to
I'll happily share with you off

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airs because you'll get a kick
out of it.

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But that to me is the is the the
most the the basic of it is

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separate comforters.
Whoever cleans it, whoever makes

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it, cleans it up.
The other person cleans it up.

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And then I typically will load
and unload the dishwasher just

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because she does like all the
laundry.

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So the caveat there, she'll do
the laundry and then I do the

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dishes, I'll load them, unload
them.

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Every now and then she unload
them.

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But for the most part I'm
unloading them because I just

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kind of feel because she does
that part of that laundry and

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whatnot, then I should do that
without any issues.

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So we're we're kind of cool like
that.

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Where we don't, we don't.
We don't kind of step on toes

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that way every now and then.
You know, like I said, I'll do

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something laundry wise and
she'll do dishes.

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But for the most part, like we
did a crock pot thing for

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tonight's dinner, so when it's
all said and done, I'll clean up

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the mess because she put the
pot, the crock pot together.

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So it's the whole.
It's still the whole.

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Even though you've not been
buried, you've had

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relationships.
It's still the whole team

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concept.
Correct, correct.

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And there's nothing that and
going back to your your, your

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point before.
Right.

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And and anything that I would
do, I mean, yes, I can live my

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life and yes, she can live her
life.

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But we obviously know any, any,
any dramatic thing like if if if

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we decided, you know, next
Tuesday, oh, Chris, come to

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Pontiac and let's record an
album, you know, you'll be here

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for a month.
I'm just not going to go up to

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her and say, hey, I'm going to
Pontiac to go to Mike's house to

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record now for a month.
I'll see you back in March.

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00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,400
She's like, oh hell, you know
you're not because that that's

448
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,440
disrupting the life, that's
disrupting the the, the routine

449
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,800
we have now, if it's something
like, hey, on spring break, I'm

450
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,240
going to go to Illinois, blah,
blah, blah, you know what I

451
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,480
mean?
We talk about it and decide, OK,

452
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:10,120
is that you know?
So that's exactly what I'm

453
00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:11,160
getting to.
Why?

454
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:16,000
So what I'm hearing from, and
this is not just one couple,

455
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,800
this is not just one
relationship.

456
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,920
This is partly relationships
I've had.

457
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,280
I mean this, this is a
amalgamation of a bunch of

458
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,520
different things that, you know,
you know better than anybody.

459
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,480
I'm a student of human nature.
I have a lot of time on my hands

460
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,840
because I am single.
So I like to study people and

461
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:41,000
how they live.
And the one thing that I look

462
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:47,160
for would be, let's say we're
out in public and we have a

463
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,360
disagreement, right?
I would like some kind of

464
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,640
unwritten rule that we debate
about it when we get home.

465
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,440
But in the public, in the face
of the public, we're A-Team.

466
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,720
We're a solid unit, no matter if
that person did something

467
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,840
completely wrong other than kill
somebody.

468
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,440
I got your back.
But if I disagree with you,

469
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:14,160
we're going to talk about it
like adults like you and I agree

470
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,680
to disagree on a million things.
It doesn't come to the point

471
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,040
where we're not going to talk to
each other for five days or five

472
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,440
weeks or five years because I'm
pissed off because you have a

473
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,640
different viewpoint than me.
You know what I'm saying?

474
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,920
That's what I'm getting to is
like here.

475
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,920
I wrote it down, and I can't
remember without reading it

476
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,200
right off here.
It was very poignant.

477
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,280
It was all a like a whole stream
of consciousness just came to

478
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:48,240
me, like you write lyrics.
So I look at it like I went

479
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,240
through the darkest period of my
life on my own, right.

480
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,960
Just like you went through the
darkest period of your life on

481
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,880
your own.
At the end of the day, you and I

482
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,200
had to save ourselves.
A lot of people prayed for us,

483
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,560
helped us, rooted for us,
whatever.

484
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,640
But at the end of the day, we
survived a very dark place that

485
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,520
a lot of people don't even
understand how hard that is to

486
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,160
pull yourself out of it.
So First off, I'm coming to it

487
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:19,640
from that perspective and I
would inform any future Missus

488
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,840
Michaels of of this fact.
You know, here's where I've

489
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,600
been, here's where I'm at.
I don't need a lot of help in

490
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,000
the psychological department.
I got that under control.

491
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,320
You know, So what I'm thinking
is these people are not

492
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:37,000
realizing that their spouse is
literally policing their life.

493
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,400
And make no mistake, that's
exactly what you're doing.

494
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:46,160
You're allowing that person to
dictate what makes them happy.

495
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,680
I'm going to repeat that you are
living your life to make them

496
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,400
happy.
Your whole life now is.

497
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,920
Which is the wrong way to live.
Yeah, now you're walking on egg

498
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:04,040
shells every day to hope you can
get through another day without

499
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,920
making that person upset about
whatever, just so you have a

500
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,880
nice peaceful day.
Fuck that.

501
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,320
Fuck that.
I'm not living my life that way.

502
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,440
I want somebody that's going to.
Say agreed and that.

503
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,600
I want somebody that's going to
say, you know, Mike, I think

504
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:27,240
what you're doing is detrimental
to your health or our finances

505
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:32,200
or, you know, but let's talk
about it rationally.

506
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:37,160
You know, nine times out of 10,
I'm going to say, you know what,

507
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,000
I didn't look at it that way.
So thank you very much for

508
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,880
bringing that to my attention.
And we get stronger as a team.

509
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:45,360
I personally have never found
that in my life.

510
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,960
Sure, absolutely.
But that's what I'm getting at.

511
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,440
Nikki and I are unique in the
sense that that I can count on

512
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:01,000
one hand how many times we had
drop dead blowout argument

513
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,560
fights.
That's amazing in 30.

514
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,880
Probably three of those were
were in in Oh yeah, like

515
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,000
probably three of those were in
my drinking days and the other

516
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,640
two probably in the last 3-4
years.

517
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:21,480
Just because we were doing, we
were doing the the remodeling

518
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,840
our house and building the
addition for my daughter and and

519
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,520
the grandbabies.
And you don't understand the

520
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:33,400
stress that puts on a couple
until you live it.

521
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,440
Like the the amount of bullshit
we went through because the

522
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,960
contractor we had was a piece of
shit, Didn't follow through,

523
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,200
didn't follow up, just stopped
working on the House.

524
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,440
So then I had to kind of step
in, which I wasn't.

525
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,520
I'm not a contractor.
I've never pretended to be a

526
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:49,720
contractor.
I'm not.

527
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:57,080
I'm not a a foreman by any may,
you know, by any means.

528
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,680
And so I had to start just
picking up the slack of this

529
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:05,480
shit that I didn't want to do
and the timing of it was screwed

530
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,200
up.
I mean, it's just unless you've

531
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,800
lived through a remodel with
with your significant other, you

532
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,720
don't know what I'm talking
about if you have.

533
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,240
I hear.
I hear that all the time.

534
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,000
Hammer on the head.
Yeah, right.

535
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,160
You're hitting.
It I have never had, but I have

536
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,880
heard that story countless
times.

537
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,880
Yeah.
And it's true. 100% true, 100%

538
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,120
true.
Like like and so but that's it.

539
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,200
Because we are.
We both came from, from very

540
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,960
dysfunctional families.
Before dysfunctional was cool.

541
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,520
We both came from families where
there was was addiction was was

542
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,440
prevalent.
We didn't realize it at the time

543
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,120
we were growing up until after
the fact.

544
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,920
Like looking back on my life,
right.

545
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:56,520
Because in in in society you
think addiction, drugs, alcohol,

546
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,080
yeah, sex is an addiction now
for some and that's been more

547
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,000
prevalent in over the years.
But you don't think of anything

548
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,680
else like.
Right.

549
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,800
But you don't think of anything
else addiction wise.

550
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,640
But but personalities the the
abuse of personalities can be

551
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,160
addictive.
The the beating, the physical

552
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,720
abuse is addictive.
You know because you get a, you

553
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,520
get a.
You get a rise out of that when

554
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,760
you're when you're when you're
you know when you're smacking

555
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,240
somebody around like you know
what I mean?

556
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,000
You get and then you you have
the flip side of the coin to

557
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,080
where those that are involved in
on the abusive people taking the

558
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,600
abuse and domestic violence
things, those are addictions.

559
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:40,080
Those are your trap.
Because I I watched, I watched

560
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,840
her, the mother get her ass beat
by the student named Doc who's

561
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,720
now on death row.
But he used to beat the shit out

562
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,320
of her.
Like you know, just pile driving

563
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:55,040
WWF Monday night wrestling and
just you know, jumping her over

564
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,040
the back of the couch and shit.
Holy.

565
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,560
Shit, man.
But you don't.

566
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,920
When you're a kid, you.
Oh yeah, yeah.

567
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,720
When you're a kid, you don't.
You don't.

568
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,040
But you don't really realize
what you're seeing because it's

569
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,520
just, it's so and go fast.
It's like a movie and then.

570
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,320
So how how old are you?
As I grew up with that person,

571
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,120
it was when we lived in Phoenix,
so anywhere between 3:00 and

572
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,480
7:00.
So probably probably I became

573
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,240
5-6 because I can remember it.
You became old enough to

574
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,520
understand what was happening at
some point.

575
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,000
If you did it, tell yours.
If they did it, tell yours.

576
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,280
Right, right.
So right.

577
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:36,480
And then and then so watching
her take that abuse, that was

578
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:41,840
her third husband.
She ended up having five, but

579
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,920
then as I as when we moved to
Tempe and then she started

580
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,320
taking her aggressions out on
myself and my brother.

581
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,600
That's learned behavior.
Like when you're when you're

582
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,160
abused as a child, it's it's
it's not uncommon for the abused

583
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,840
child to grow up to be the
abuser.

584
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,200
It's.
More common than the exception.

585
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,880
To that rule, because I was a
right.

586
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,400
Exactly.
You are was abused on all

587
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,720
different levels, totally.
I mean, granted I dealt with a

588
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,760
little bit with the alcohol
abuse and and you know, but I

589
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,120
was able to reel that in before
it caused any real significant

590
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:22,760
damage, correct.
My my brother wasn't so lucky.

591
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,400
It took him years to kind of
navigate through that and he's

592
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,240
finally clean and I talked to
him briefly every now and then

593
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,000
talked to him last couple weeks
and he's he's you know,

594
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,160
completely clean and sober and
he's happy.

595
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,240
He's in a great place.
He's two years older than me, so

596
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,080
you know that's 40 years
struggle with him, probably in

597
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,760
and out of of whatever.
So not everybody's as lucky as I

598
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,680
am as far as being able to kind
of come through that unscathed.

599
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,080
For the most part, music
obviously helped immensely.

600
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,720
Writing of of the songs helped
immensely.

601
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,920
Some of the stuff that we wrote
in Nemesis was directly tied to

602
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:07,320
how my childhood was the band
right before us and Illusion

603
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,400
Dog.
I had a lot more darkness in

604
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,880
writing there, which I think was
good because I got that out

605
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:18,840
before I joined Nemesis, because
Nemesis lyrically wasn't so

606
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,000
dark.
There was darkness to it, but it

607
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,320
wasn't.
It was more storytelling.

608
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:29,360
I looked at it as the stuff I
wrote with you than it was, you

609
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,200
know, like there was a song I
wrote Never again and it was a

610
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,240
dog that was dark.
There was a song I wrote Mother,

611
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,440
which has nothing to do with
Danzig's mother.

612
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,520
It was the story about how when
I was eight, she kicked me out

613
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,720
for lying during a monsoon storm
because the garbage flew in the

614
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,680
backyard and was rolling towards
the pool.

615
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,360
And she baited me, 'cause she
know.

616
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,760
I took it out and she asked me
about it and I was like, I

617
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,880
didn't do it, you know, 'cause
I'm eight years old, scared to

618
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,560
death, cause, lightning,
Thunder, you know, buckets of

619
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,040
rain being dropped.
And you know, Long story short,

620
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,720
she's kicking me out of the
house, 8 years old, in a monsoon

621
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:09,920
downpour because I was scared of
her, you know, You know, 8 years

622
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,280
old, eight-year old.
Kids lie.

623
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,600
They don't.
They don't lie to cover shit up,

624
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,840
I don't think.
I think it was a lie to because

625
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,120
I know I'm going to get my ass
beat if I tell the truth.

626
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,440
So we exactly lose.
Exactly in your situation.

627
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:29,159
But that, that, that.
Right, right in my situation.

628
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:34,520
So here's not to interrupt you,
but here's the 180 of what you

629
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:35,000
just.
You're good.

630
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,320
You're.
Good, because you and I grew up

631
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,560
180° apart, and everybody needs
to realize that.

632
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:47,199
I grew up with two parents who,
you know, wanted children,

633
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,880
wanted to have a family, just
like you're doing right now.

634
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,400
You know, I grew up with the
family that you created.

635
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,960
My mom and dad wanted to have
every one of us.

636
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,520
They were happy to have us
around.

637
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,720
They were sad when we left.
They loved us the best they

638
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:02,280
could.
They taught us about life the

639
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,800
best they could.
And in your situation, I lied

640
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,240
only because I knew I was going
to get in trouble.

641
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,480
I wasn't afraid that I was going
to, like, be injured or beaten,

642
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,800
you know, to where I was going
to show marks.

643
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:20,400
My dad swatted me exactly one
time in my entire life, and my

644
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,040
dad is 6/4 at the time.
He was probably 235.

645
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,120
He's a big dude.
And you know how not of a big

646
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,600
dude I am.
So he swatted me on the ass one

647
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,040
time for talking back to my mom
or whatever, when I was about, I

648
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,200
don't know, 810.
That's all it took.

649
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,880
I was like, OK, I'm never going
to push him to that point again

650
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,360
because I'm not stupid, you
know?

651
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:46,640
So to hear your story, just so
people understand my story is I

652
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,360
grew up as close to, you know,
what you would consider a normal

653
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,040
family in America.
I guess I don't know what you

654
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,480
define like.
A nuclear a nuclear family, they

655
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,760
call.
We were not abused.

656
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,800
Yeah, they called it a nuclear
family back in the day.

657
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,000
Sure.
Right, bottom line is I would.

658
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,880
And I could and I could.
Take any level.

659
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,080
Yeah.
And I could and I could take

660
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:13,480
being, you know, ass beat for,
you know, you know, I don't

661
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,640
know, doing something that
needed to be disciplined.

662
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,800
I'm not against disciplining
your children.

663
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,480
I'm not against spanking the
butts.

664
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,080
I mean, I, you know, spank both
my kids.

665
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,640
Oh, you know, I've I've, I've
smacked a little man in the butt

666
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:29,240
in his small existence of four
years.

667
00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:32,440
But it was an extreme reason.
It wasn't because, oh, he's he

668
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,440
knocked over a sippy cup.
No, it was.

669
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,520
I don't remember what he did,
but he needed his butt to be

670
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,040
spanked because he was being a
little terror.

671
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,000
And it was the same reason.
I think he's done it again.

672
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,480
I.
Mean.

673
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,960
It was the same reason that my
dad swatted my ass because it

674
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,160
was an extreme circumstance
where I said something to my

675
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,960
mother or whatever that was
needed to be addressed

676
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,080
immediately, you know?
And he got his point across

677
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,640
because he never had to do it
again.

678
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,360
I'm not stupid, you know?
I'm like, OK, that's his limit.

679
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,680
Let's not push him to that point
again.

680
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,080
You know, I think the children
have a little bit of

681
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,120
responsibility in learning how
to be a respectful young person

682
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,800
too, you know?
And the one thing, the one thing

683
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,480
talking about being a father,
the one thing that I will give

684
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:28,880
my dad credit for is I was
probably 1516, you know, enough

685
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,120
independence to be raising a
little hell to start with.

686
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:36,280
So I'm sitting down to dinner
one night and here comes my

687
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,840
brother trucking down the hall.
He's like 8 years younger than

688
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,600
me.
So he would have been about six

689
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,600
or seven, you know, And he's
like, look what I found in

690
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:52,080
Mike's fuck bag, cigarettes.
And of course, you know, my mom

691
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,000
went ballistic and she sick my
dad on me.

692
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,480
And my dad says, OK, you know,
let's go in the bedroom and

693
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,080
we're going to close the door
and we're going to have a

694
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,360
private conversation that, you
know, he that was the other

695
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,360
thing.
They didn't punish us in front

696
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,960
of the whole family.
You know, they did things

697
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,680
privately.
Which?

698
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,320
Looking back on, it was pretty
cool, yeah, unless we push them

699
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,480
to the point where they had to
lose their mind and you know how

700
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,520
that goes, being a parent.
So anyway, he sits down and he

701
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:24,840
says now at the time my dad quit
smoking in 1995.

702
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,080
Congratulations, because I
haven't done it yet.

703
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,680
So once again, congratulations.
But back then he smoked about

704
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,600
two packs of Marlboros a day and
loved every minute of it.

705
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:40,080
He quit, but he almost died.
So anyway, Long story short, he

706
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:46,800
said, you know, yeah, your mom
doesn't want you to smoke, but I

707
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,480
smoke every day so far.
Be it for me to be a hypocrite.

708
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,720
If you're going to continue to
smoke, for Christ's sake, don't

709
00:38:53,720 --> 00:39:01,040
get caught again, Mike.
OK, that was the first time that

710
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,760
I really was old enough to have
a lot of respect for how cool he

711
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:11,120
was to have handled it that way.
Yeah.

712
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,920
Another time I came home drunk,
puking all over the place.

713
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:21,360
And of course, my excuse is I
got into some bad food.

714
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,160
You know, I'm trying to sell
that.

715
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:29,520
And when you're 1617, you're too
stupid to realize what you look

716
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,160
like when you're drunk and
everyone knows you're drunk.

717
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,960
I thought I was going to be
slick, you know, and tell the

718
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,480
story about how I got into some
food poisoning and my mom once

719
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,280
again sick, my dad on me
thinking that he's going to just

720
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,160
lay into me.
And now in front of her, he

721
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:46,120
says.
Right.

722
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,800
Yeah, he says.
I had a couple nights where I

723
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,960
got into some bad food like that
myself.

724
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,080
Mike, he says best thing you can
do is go sleep it off.

725
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,440
That was the end of it.
To look at my mom's face that

726
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,880
night.
She could have, she could have

727
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,880
killed him.
Oh, she was just like, what?

728
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,280
That's it?
You know, you're not going to?

729
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:07,920
No.
He said.

730
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,320
Yeah, I had a couple of nights
where I got into some bad food

731
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,960
myself.
Best thing you can do is go

732
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,840
sleep it off.
So that's the kind of

733
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,280
environment I grew up in, man.
You know, my parents had a good,

734
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:26,600
they had a good balance of, you
know, there were times my dad

735
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:27,560
had.
Good, come back.

736
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,680
Different, exactly.
Because there were times he had

737
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,920
to be different than that, and
he handled every situation

738
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,720
accordingly.
But so did my mom.

739
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,000
You know, most of the time you
wanted to deal with mom.

740
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,480
To your point earlier with Jake,
you know I really wanted to

741
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,800
settle it with her because
talking to my dad was not so

742
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:49,800
easy.
But once again, we were not the.

743
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,800
Thing that's that's right and
and I understand I don't want

744
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,960
people listening watching this
thinking that my entire life was

745
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,200
was you know wake up beaten, go
to bed beaten.

746
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,840
It's it's it's it had enough.
It happened.

747
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,960
It occurred enough times for as
long as I can remember, you

748
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:15,120
know, kind of started around 8
years old until I was old enough

749
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,320
to not take it anymore, which is
probably 11-12.

750
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,080
It outweighed the positive, it
outweighed the good.

751
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:28,040
You know what I mean?
Because you, you, you, you take

752
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,720
that darkness over that period
of time, and it's not your

753
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:36,680
entire life, but it's enough
that it overshadows whatever

754
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,320
positive things.
Because on the other flip side

755
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:43,560
of the coin, there's a single
mom raising two boys on her own.

756
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,400
You know, we were from Illinois.
They moved to Arizona because

757
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,000
supposedly I was going to die.
My ass was so bad.

758
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,360
They, you know, you got three
months to live.

759
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,720
It's Colorado, Arizona, because
those are the best two

760
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:55,920
environments for an asthmatic.
They were tired of the cold.

761
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:02,920
So we went to Arizona you know,
and and I learned when going

762
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,920
back, my grandmother passed, my
brother and I connected at the

763
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,520
airport in Illinois and then
drove rented a car and then kind

764
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,440
of drove the whole backwoods of
Illinois, you know Springfield

765
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,320
to Ave.
Galesburg area near the Quad

766
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,040
Cities to give you a point of
reference.

767
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,080
That's when it came out that
that he always held it against

768
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,360
me because I took him away from
his home.

769
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:30,840
I was fucking three years old,
man.

770
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:37,360
I had no choice in anything.
He was 5, so he has a better

771
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,720
recollection of being completely
removed from all he knew and

772
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:44,760
transferred, you know thousands
of miles away to the desert.

773
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,800
Again, not my fault.
I didn't say let's go do this,

774
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,440
you know, and and but there was
bitterness there from him,

775
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,800
legitimately.
So which I I, I, I when he told

776
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,320
me that I'm like, holy shit, I
could see that, you know, So

777
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,080
even though it wasn't an
intentional, like you're a Dick

778
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,800
for making us move, there was
still that underlying anger that

779
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,680
he carried with him our entire
life growing up.

780
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,720
And still, you know, to that
point that was this is 23.

781
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:21,080
So that was back in 1415 ish.
No, maybe after that, 1617.

782
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,880
I don't remember when she when
she passed, but he carried it

783
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,720
for a long time and then finally
shared that.

784
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:28,560
And I was just like, wow, you
know, my bad.

785
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,720
But how would you have known it
like he?

786
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:36,480
Remembers when my right and he
remembers when my parents

787
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,600
divorced and and you know, he
was sitting in my grandmother's

788
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,960
picture window waiting for David
to show up and he never showed

789
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,880
up.
So that had to be traumatic on

790
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:54,000
him because that happened around
the same time, you know, that

791
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:59,200
whole thing happened because she
claimed he couldn't handle my

792
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,200
because I was sick.
I was 2 1/2 months early.

793
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,600
I was terrible, baby man.
I was, you know, I was going to

794
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,600
die every other day.
You and I have that for three.

795
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,560
Months after being born, I
didn't come home.

796
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,400
Yeah, So yeah, I'm not going to
go down all that bullshit stuff,

797
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,040
but it is what it is.
And you you.

798
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,400
I guess the moral to this
conversation is is your

799
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,520
upbringing helped mold you into
who you are.

800
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,720
My upbringing helped mold me
into two into two, into who I

801
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:27,320
am.
Probably one of the main reasons

802
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:31,520
I got into abusing alcohol was
because I was burying shit, even

803
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,760
though I thought I had an
outlet, purging it with music or

804
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,240
whatnot.
It purged a lot of it, but not

805
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:38,840
enough of it, right?
It it, it kind of pulled a lot

806
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,000
of the demons out, but they
still kind of lingered.

807
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,520
The ones that were a little bit
deeper and darker, the abuse and

808
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,800
whatnot that you know, that
takes a while to kind of

809
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,520
represent itself as you go on a
life.

810
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,920
And it's not, it's not how
you're brought up, it's what you

811
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,840
do with it.
So you know.

812
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:03,680
I I also think that what people
underestimate being a musician

813
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,760
and being in a band, as much as
you are busy, there's also an

814
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,440
immense amount of downtime no
matter how you try to work your

815
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,000
life.
And that immense amount of

816
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,360
downtime has to be filled with
positive things.

817
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,440
And when you're 22 and
invincible and you don't think

818
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,440
you're going to die, of course
you can do drugs all night and

819
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,600
you can drink all night and you
can still function every day,

820
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,160
you know, And you can do that
for a long time.

821
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,600
And that's the problem is you're
not smart enough when you're

822
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,440
young to understand that when
you get to be our age, all that

823
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,760
takes its toll and you start to
feel it, even if you don't look

824
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,280
like it.
I get complimented on not

825
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,120
looking like I'm 50 years old
all the time.

826
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,520
I appreciate that.
I feel like I'm 65 because of

827
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:56,400
use that I put my body through
in a nice car accident, but.

828
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,280
Yeah.
I just wish you know.

829
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,840
In yeah, I'm the same.
Yeah, I'm yeah, I'm the same

830
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:10,240
way.
Go ahead, go ahead.

831
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,320
No, I just definitely wish in
hindsight that we had done

832
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,320
things differently during that
time.

833
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,920
But I guess that's why we have
the stories, to be able to tell

834
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,400
people that, you know, didn't
live that kind of life.

835
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:25,720
Right.
And I think, I think people get

836
00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:26,920
caught up.
And again, this is just my

837
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,920
opinion and it's not, you know,
I'm not baptized in the world or

838
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,640
anything with a garden hose.
But I think that that people get

839
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,360
wrapped up in the blame game and
pointing the fingers, you know,

840
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,440
like, Oh my mom or my dad, Oh
yeah, I got daddy issues, Mommy

841
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:45,680
issues, nobody, anybody that
says they had the perfect

842
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,040
upbringing and have the perfect
life, they're lying through

843
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:49,760
their teeth.
Just keep an eye on them and

844
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,480
their life will fall apart
within the next, you know, 6 to

845
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,160
12 months.
And it'll be for all the world

846
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,160
to see.
There's nothing more ironic, I

847
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,960
think, in this, right.
There's nothing more ironic than

848
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:04,560
you see these, these these
people on social media and and

849
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,000
you know, they're championing
their lives and this and that

850
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,840
and everything's roses and and
Peaches and you know, and then

851
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,720
all of a sudden it just gets
fractured and their lives go

852
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:16,480
tumbling down these two
different directions and they're

853
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,560
sharing all their garbage on
Facebook and Instagram or

854
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,200
whatnot.
And you're calling the other

855
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:29,360
person out and you go from like,
it's it's roses and and daisies.

856
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,160
What is it?
Rainbows and daisies and all of

857
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,840
a sudden it's it's Dragons and
chaos.

858
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,000
I'm sorry, they didn't happen
overnight.

859
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:37,840
Oh, I just.
Didn't you?

860
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,400
Were you were masked.
I love those people.

861
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,240
Yeah, I love it.
You're right, 'cause you're

862
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:44,480
yeah.
You're hiding.

863
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:47,840
You're hiding behind.
You're hiding your cast in the

864
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,120
world because you think it's
going to make your life better.

865
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,360
It's not.
The more honest you are and the

866
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,400
more forthcoming you are with
whoever your significant other

867
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:01,800
is, the the better your life is.
If the people that get divorced

868
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,280
in four years, they, let's be
honest, they just gave up.

869
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,640
They didn't try.
They hit a wall.

870
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,600
They hit some kind of hurdle
they couldn't get over.

871
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,280
And instead of working together
to get over that hurdle, they

872
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,360
decided to go around it and
divorce each other and get on

873
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,960
with their lives.
OK, so could have like done when

874
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:21,440
I?
When I got sold at the end.

875
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,800
Of my drinking.
They either did that.

876
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,040
Go ahead.
I agree with that.

877
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:32,360
Or, you know, the other reason
that that happens is people put

878
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:37,040
on a fake persona for the whole
time they're dating somebody and

879
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,080
then as soon as they marry them,
the real person comes out and

880
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,160
it's like, OK, now this.
That's what scares me right

881
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,360
there is now here's what I am as
a real person.

882
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,120
You know, I fucking faked it all
this time and you know me better

883
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,200
than anyone.
The one thing I am is an open

884
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,960
book.
I probably too honest, but I

885
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,560
don't know any other way to be.
I'm not going to show.

886
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,280
I I don't have time to sugarcoat
especially anymore.

887
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,800
I'm getting older.
But even as a young guy, you

888
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,560
know, we just talk to each other
like fucking human beings.

889
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,240
Let's talk.
We can disagree.

890
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,480
We don't have.
It's unrealistic to agree on

891
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:13,880
everything.
I'm not looking.

892
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,560
I think people misconstrue what
I'm saying when I have this

893
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,560
conversation with them, and
that's part of the reason I

894
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,160
wanted to bring it up.
I'm not looking for a utopia.

895
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:27,080
I know that you're going to have
struggles, but it's how we deal

896
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:32,360
with those struggles that is
important to me, that we do it

897
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,840
civilized and like adults and
human beings, and that we don't

898
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,680
try and police each other's
life.

899
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:41,720
And I don't think that's too
much to ask for.

900
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:44,360
You're you're living proof.
My parents are living proof.

901
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,680
They haven't had a perfect ride
either.

902
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:51,440
But almost 50 years later, love
carried them through.

903
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,840
I guess, you know, at the end,
at the end of the day, it was

904
00:49:54,840 --> 00:50:00,840
worth it to them to figure it
out rationally in the end.

905
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,320
I know emotions happen
sometimes, but the people that

906
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:11,600
I'm talking about, it's almost
like a constant struggle to stay

907
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,480
together.
You know, you'll have one nice

908
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,120
conversation with them.
Oh, we went and did.

909
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,920
We went and had dinner.
We took a ride or we went

910
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,120
wherever.
And then the next nine

911
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,560
conversations in a row are, oh,
that fuckhead.

912
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,560
I just wish he wasn't around and
you know everything's negative

913
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,000
again.
Then there's one positive

914
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:36,440
conversation, dude, to your to
your point, on Facebook earlier.

915
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,800
I literally have a friend on my
Facebook and this is no shit

916
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,760
that has broken up and gotten
together with the same fucking

917
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,480
person at least 15 times.
And I'm being conservative.

918
00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:50,640
Wow.
Wow.

919
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,080
What are you thinking?
At that point?

920
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,240
I got to know what.
Yeah.

921
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,680
Who's going to change?
Because it's.

922
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,000
Yeah, that's the thing.
That's the thing.

923
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:08,880
It's it's if you're if you're
getting married to someone that

924
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,200
you think you can change them.
Once you're married, you can't.

925
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,560
It's just a it's a lost cause.
You can't like Nikki and I don't

926
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,600
want to change each other.
We know who we are.

927
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:22,280
We we've we came from where we
came from and that was one of

928
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,680
the things that worked because
it was completely disheveled

929
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,400
lifestyles or not disheveled but
dysfunctional lifestyles that we

930
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,200
came from and we were just
opposite enough, like our first

931
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:33,600
date.
I find out told her I want to be

932
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,320
a rock star, I want to be a
musician.

933
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:36,920
This is what I plan to do with
my life.

934
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,480
This is what I it's acting.
It's music.

935
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,680
Is this like straight up our
first date like she knew from

936
00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:46,040
within 10 minutes to get in my
truck and walking around Salt

937
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:47,840
River Bottom because that was
our first date.

938
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,760
Went to Salt River and just
talked for an hour and a half,

939
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,440
two hours, whatever it was.
But that was part of that

940
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,280
conversation.
So there was no, there was no

941
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,680
surprise when I ended up finding
you at at Candlebox show and we

942
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,280
came together as a band and
we're doing what we were doing.

943
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:07,880
There was that wasn't a shock to
her.

944
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,800
Now she may not have liked it.
They she may not like that

945
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,600
lifestyle.
She may not have liked the fact

946
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,720
that you know, gone as much as I
was with rehearsals and shows.

947
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,240
But she still understood that
was that was who I was.

948
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:21,920
That was what I wanted.
It wasn't.

949
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,680
I don't want to be an astronaut.
I don't want to be a lawyer.

950
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,680
I wanted to be a rock star.
I wanted to to bring music to

951
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,480
the masses and share what I have
always been considered as a

952
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,440
considered as a gift of my
writing and and passions.

953
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,120
And that, like your guitar
playing, it's a gift.

954
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,440
You know, you were given that
gift.

955
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,240
And so she knew it wasn't a
surprise.

956
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:46,320
So when these people get
married, right, So when people

957
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,120
get married and think they're
going to change that other

958
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,040
person, oh, it'll be fine.
Once they get married, I'll

959
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:51,600
change it.
Old school.

960
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,280
Perfect example.
Frank the Tank Man.

961
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,320
Frank the Tank.
She wanted him to change once

962
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:57,800
they got married.
Well, Frank the Tank didn't

963
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,720
change, man.
That's who he.

964
00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:03,040
Was he was a party animal.
He enjoyed life, right?

965
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,960
You can't expect somebody to
change like that because you're

966
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,360
married.
It doesn't work.

967
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,640
And the marriages that fail are
because people don't want to put

968
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,360
him to work.
If your parents put him to work,

969
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,920
Nicky and I put him to work.
Rick and Anne Ro Dougherty of

970
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,280
people I've known since 76, they
put him to work.

971
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,960
It's it's the rabies mother, you
know, Duke and Kathy Raby,

972
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,120
another family around there.
But they put him to work.

973
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,000
It's.
That's when my mom and dad got

974
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:27,960
married, too.
It's.

975
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,280
Worth it, right?
Yeah.

976
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,560
It's worth it at the end of the
day because you're sharing your

977
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,240
life with somebody.
I couldn't imagine if Nikki and

978
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:38,920
I weren't married now I just, I
just, you know, I couldn't

979
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,280
imagine it.
It's just, you know, you just

980
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,440
it's it's part of you.
It's part of your soul.

981
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,800
That's why I think a lot of
people that are married 50-60

982
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,200
years, you know, and then their
80s, seventies, 80s and 90s.

983
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,360
And one goes, it's within two
weeks, man.

984
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,000
The other one goes because it's
part of them, it's it's it's

985
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,720
part of their makeup, part of
their DNA.

986
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,880
It is and they.
Are and if you've evolved.

987
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:06,880
It's cool that you bring that up
because I noticed, and I guess

988
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,960
because I'm getting older, I
noticed at Christmas time that

989
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:17,160
that ebb and flow of my mom and
dad in their own home is it

990
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,200
would be so.
It would be so weird if one of

991
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,720
them wasn't there, You know,
like my mom was sitting down in

992
00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:25,160
one living room with my sister
and my sister-in-law.

993
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,520
And, you know, they were having
their conversations.

994
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,440
And my nephew and my dad and I
were sitting in the other living

995
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,400
room watching the football game
and we were having our

996
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,600
conversations.
But, you know, if I wanted to

997
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,520
get up and go talk to my mom,
she was right there.

998
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,840
You know, it's just that kind of
stuff.

999
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:45,200
Like you said, they make that
home together, but they work

1000
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,320
their ass off.
And that's the thing that

1001
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,440
people, they don't see that
every day.

1002
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,520
They committed to not giving up,
you know.

1003
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:56,560
Right.
Yeah.

1004
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,000
Like, like we were doing
something last week with with

1005
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,960
everybody and Sky made made a a
joke that Nick and I were

1006
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,480
holding hands.
We hold hands all the time.

1007
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,000
Like legitimately, we like each
other.

1008
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,000
Not only do we love each other,
but we like each other.

1009
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,480
So you know, we've done things
over the years where we had 51st

1010
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:19,560
5050 first dates in a year.
So that year we decided we're

1011
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,960
doing 51st dates.
So something that we've never

1012
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,160
done before as a couple we did
counting from 1 to the 50th

1013
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,360
date.
So in that basically it's a,

1014
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,680
it's a, it's a date night once a
week with the exception of two

1015
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,600
weeks of the year, right.
But that's shit that you do just

1016
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:39,360
because that's what's you know,
that's one of the, that's what

1017
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:43,920
one, I guess that would be.
The other thing that you do to

1018
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,480
maintain longevity is you have
date nights that they're not

1019
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,400
scheduled like they were that
year.

1020
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,920
But we still go out, we still do
things, you know, it's more

1021
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,760
spontaneous, you know, for the
most part, until I broke my

1022
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,560
foot, we were going out country
dancing every Saturday night at

1023
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,480
this place in Mesa called Graham
or what was it?

1024
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,400
Denim and diamonds.
Because she loves the dance, OK,

1025
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,960
I have a, you know, and who
knew?

1026
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:08,560
We're fucking great at dancing,
man.

1027
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,880
But that goes back to the fact
that we've been together so

1028
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,640
long.
We have a very we have a very

1029
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:19,680
healthy relationship on a whole,
and it's just something we both

1030
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,120
enjoy doing, you know, We both
enjoy running.

1031
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,560
We both, you know, I I would, if
I had my way, we doing half

1032
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,160
marathons for the rest of my
lives.

1033
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:31,040
And she's kind of tired of that.
So I still want to get to a full

1034
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,560
marathon, you know, and to
complete it, because she's done

1035
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,560
too.
But at some point in time, we'll

1036
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,200
probably stop doing half
marathons and drop down to 10

1037
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:44,120
KS, you know, just because she
doesn't want to run that length

1038
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:48,640
of time where I still want to
challenge myself and get down to

1039
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,560
an hour and 45 minutes for 1/2.
My best is an hour and 40. 8.

1040
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,680
And I want to do that before we
stop the whole half marathon

1041
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,040
thing.
But it's just, you know, so one

1042
00:56:58,040 --> 00:56:59,400
of those things you got to baby
step it.

1043
00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:07,280
To that point, I would say
that's what that kind of

1044
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,160
describes.
I guess that's almost a

1045
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:14,720
definition of what I would look
for in the definition of an

1046
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:19,880
ideal relationship as that you
are making her priority and she

1047
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,880
is making you a priority.
That's what I feel like is

1048
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,800
missing from these conversations
with these people, that

1049
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,200
everything is negative.
You are not making your

1050
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,280
significant other.
I couldn't.

1051
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,720
I couldn't even say it.
Significant is the word people.

1052
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,560
You're not making your
significant other a priority.

1053
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,720
You are dissing them.
Nope.

1054
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:49,400
And I know I I just, I I can't
wrap my head around how that is

1055
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:54,040
helpful, constructive, positive
in any way.

1056
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,320
You know, I I just don't
understand.

1057
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,960
Yeah, I wouldn't want to be in
that situation.

1058
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,800
I don't.
Either priority.

1059
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:08,440
You have to if all you do right.
And it's not to say that your

1060
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,520
life ends because that's the
other thing that people don't

1061
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:11,960
understand.
Just because your relationship

1062
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:13,120
doesn't mean you can't have
friends.

1063
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:14,360
No, it should.
Begin.

1064
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,320
It doesn't mean you can't go
hang out with your best friend

1065
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:17,960
from high school, right?
Correct.

1066
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:19,680
It's.
I still hang out with Todd.

1067
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,400
I've known Todd since since 84.
You know, I still hang out with

1068
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,520
Tony from time to time.
I've known his entire family

1069
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:30,640
since 76.
So it's it's not like you can't

1070
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:36,600
still have your friends and do
your things, but there has to

1071
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:40,120
be, you can't do anything that
jeopardizes either one of you's

1072
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,840
trust and understanding of who
you are as individuals and and

1073
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,040
as long as you have that
foundation you you're

1074
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:48,600
successful.
You just have to be willing to

1075
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,360
work through the struggles
because you're going to struggle

1076
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:51,720
regardless.
There's always going to be

1077
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,960
struggle.
Well, and let me tell you.

1078
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,680
If if the.
The trust issue.

1079
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,440
If that person's going to cheat
on you, they're going to do it

1080
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,800
somehow, some way, regardless.
The fact that you don't, yeah.

1081
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,280
The fact you don't let them go
out with their friends is not

1082
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,000
going to keep them from fucking
somebody else.

1083
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,080
If they want to do it, they're
going to do.

1084
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,480
It it's going to make it.
Worse, and that's the thing that

1085
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:19,200
I don't understand either, is if
you want it, if you want to go

1086
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,280
out and screw the whole world,
why are you married to somebody

1087
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:24,840
you know?
Why are you talking to other

1088
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:25,160
women?
See.

1089
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,360
And here's the sugar.
Ray got life by the balls.

1090
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,000
Right, right, right.
Sugar Ray.

1091
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,000
Not a big fan of sugar, right?
I'm not a big.

1092
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,400
I'm not a big fan of Sugar Ray.
But you know who Sugar Ray is,

1093
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,240
right?
I say Sugar Ray, not all for

1094
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:39,640
your baby.
I agree with you, OK?

1095
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,560
Come on, you know.
But he had a thing.

1096
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,040
But he had a he had he 30 years
ago.

1097
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,840
Whenever he came out 25 years
ago, somebody asked him.

1098
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,480
I was watching something.
Somebody asked him probably once

1099
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,320
MTV things back when they played
music.

1100
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,040
They asked him why he why he
didn't have a significant other.

1101
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:58,360
However, they phrase a
girlfriend, whatever.

1102
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,200
He said, 'cause I want to get
laid, man, is that get it

1103
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:02,760
wouldn't be.
It wouldn't work.

1104
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:04,840
I'm out enjoying my life.
I'm.

1105
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,360
I'm going one night stands all
across the country.

1106
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,600
Every time I play a show I'm I'm
enjoying my life and having

1107
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,200
having fun with it.
Why would I get married and and

1108
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:18,480
and end that.
That to me was brilliant, like,

1109
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:22,560
you know?
Who you are, you know that

1110
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,960
you're at the precipice of of of
the world.

1111
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,360
Is that your feet?
Because at the time they were

1112
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,120
they were on fire.
Sugar Ray was was the thing.

1113
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,040
And he knew enough about himself
to know that he couldn't be

1114
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:36,880
loyal to one person.
So why do that?

1115
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,960
Bon Jovi, Same thing, man.
He buried his high school

1116
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,000
sweetheart.
What people don't realize he

1117
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,520
married his high school
sweetheart about 1520 years

1118
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,680
after Bon Jovi made it, because
his his high school sweetheart

1119
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,880
saw what he wanted.
And she's like, fuck that.

1120
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,840
I'm not going to be involved in
this shit 'cause you you.

1121
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,160
There's no way that you're going
to stay loyal to this

1122
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,120
relationship.
Kudos to her.

1123
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,320
Kudos to him.
Because then what do you do?

1124
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:06,800
He wounded all the supermodels.
Cindy Crawford, I was the only

1125
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,760
one I remember, but just all
kinds of like, chicks that were

1126
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:14,560
the chicks at the time, you
know, top ten models, actresses,

1127
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,120
whatever.
He went out and did his thing.

1128
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,360
I'm Jon Bovi.
Jon Bon Jovi, a rock star.

1129
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,120
And I'm.
I'm nailing all these beautiful

1130
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:22,000
women.
I'm doing all.

1131
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,960
But at the end of the day, it
wasn't enough to sustain his

1132
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:27,320
happiness.
So what did he do?

1133
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:31,080
He went back to his high school
sweetheart and made the

1134
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:32,480
commitment to her.
And now what?

1135
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:36,160
3-4 kids later, they're all, you
know, adults and things like

1136
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,080
that, and they're having the
time of their life.

1137
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:43,920
So, you know, it's a wonderful
thing I have to go right now,

1138
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,360
which is ironic because
somebody's dumping dirt in my

1139
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,800
yard.
Well.

1140
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,080
So I have to cut this thing
short.

1141
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:56,480
We will let them dump some dirt
in your.

1142
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,800
So let's do our top.
Let's do our top 11 things while

1143
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:05,440
on winter break real quick and
we can do that.

1144
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:16,920
Put I gotta ask, is it?
OK, so I I really I'm so feel

1145
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,280
bad to end this because this is
such a great conversation, but

1146
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,360
it it is what it is so.
Here's what it is, ladies and.

1147
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,240
Gentlemen, the top 11 things to
do while in it.

1148
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:25,840
OK, right.
Right.

1149
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,240
Life.
Life happens.

1150
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,400
That's the the beautiful thing
about doing this.

1151
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:31,280
Like.
Life happens right on this

1152
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,960
podcast.
We do it so right on the spot.

1153
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,960
So the top 11 things to do while
on winter break might take it

1154
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,920
off.
Take off with no I I start #11

1155
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:48,320
eat holiday foods. #10 You're
even.

1156
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:52,840
You're #10, yeah?
I'm #10 work out so you work off

1157
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:59,640
the holiday.
Food Go ahead #9 #9 use use your

1158
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:07,640
grandmother's fruit fruitcake as
added insulation. #8 Listen to

1159
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,600
rock'n'roll Christmas music.
Oh yeah.

1160
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,960
Oh yeah.
Yes, #7.

1161
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,240
Go see trans-siberian orchestra
in concert.

1162
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:18,920
If you haven't done that, you
must do that.

1163
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,760
They're fantastic.
It's absolutely amazing.

1164
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,320
He's not kidding.
Do yourself a favor, number six,

1165
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,160
Go holiday shopping.
Look on Amazon.

1166
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,680
I hope.
Right.

1167
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:32,800
Yeah.
Don't go out in the public.

1168
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:38,440
That's insane. #5.
Attend an ugly sweater party.

1169
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:40,360
It's a rite of passage if you
haven't.

1170
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,000
If no one you know has an ugly
sweater party, then you host one

1171
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,080
next year.
You'll thank me.

1172
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:50,920
OK #4, attend a New Year's Eve
party.

1173
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:55,280
Those are always fun.
Yeah, even if even if you didn't

1174
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,800
this year and you know like
neither one of us did, still at

1175
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,520
some point in time in your life,
you should do that #3.

1176
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:06,120
Don't drink and drive.
That's a must, a must.

1177
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,920
Things to do while on holiday
break is don't drink and drive.

1178
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:16,400
#2 Eat some tasty Donuts.
Right.

1179
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,160
Because, you know, everybody can
have a donut every now and then,

1180
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:21,800
and the number one thing to do
while on winter break?

1181
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:30,360
Your significant other.
Yeah, so one thing.

1182
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,320
Yes.
And with that I have to go.

1183
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:33,760
Yes.
OK.

1184
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,600
We're going to let Chris go and
I'm going to do some

1185
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:42,360
housekeeping.
You do some housekeeping I'm

1186
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:43,400
going to.
Go.

1187
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,520
OK, later brother.
OK.

1188
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:47,720
Good luck with your dirt later
brother.

1189
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:58,160
OK, so a shout out to Sunshine
for showing me how to increase

1190
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:04,120
our Facebook page following.
So I'm going to ask all you guys

1191
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:09,480
to do me a favor and go to the
Chris and Mike show on Facebook.

1192
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:15,160
And right next to where the
message button is, there's three

1193
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:18,480
little dots.
Click on that button and it'll

1194
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:23,000
pull up another page and you go
down to like #4 and it'll say

1195
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:27,320
invite your friends.
If you can go to the top of that

1196
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,720
page when you click it, you can
invite all your friends to like

1197
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:34,120
our page, and that will
definitely help drive the

1198
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:38,000
traffic to it.
And that will make all of us a

1199
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,920
lot happier because it'll be a
better page, it'll be a bigger

1200
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,240
community, and we'll all have
fun.

1201
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:47,720
So thank you Sunshine, for
showing me how to do that and

1202
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:52,680
for inviting all your friends
and getting people involved in

1203
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:56,840
our Facebook page.
It's been growing exponentially

1204
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:03,120
over the last, I don't know, 12
hours since we started this

1205
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:06,600
process.
So once again, thank you.

1206
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:11,920
And obviously we had to let
Chris go because he's doing a

1207
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,960
massive home improvement project
in his backyard.

1208
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:19,320
He's basically re landscaping
one whole side of his backyard.

1209
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,280
So we'll forgive him.
He's been busy this week and

1210
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,680
he's got family in town and I
don't have any of that stuff

1211
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:30,640
going on.
So I got Bob Ross the bobble

1212
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:37,360
head in the back and a new lava
lamp and that's about the

1213
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,560
improvements.
We're going to have a new studio

1214
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:45,320
table in here in the foreseeable
future, so things will probably

1215
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:49,320
look different and should look
better going to do some upgrades

1216
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:51,880
on the equipment.
But anyway, that's all

1217
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,560
information that you guys
probably don't need really.

1218
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:59,960
I just want to thank you for
your subscription hitting the

1219
01:06:59,960 --> 01:07:07,200
follow button Facebook page.
Just appreciate everybody that's

1220
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:11,240
giving us positive feedback and
got a lot of positive feedback

1221
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,400
on Jake's podcast.
It was a blast to do.

1222
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:18,000
He's an amazing human being and
I'm happy to now call him my

1223
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:21,560
friend.
So until next week, I hope

1224
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:25,200
everybody stays safe, be kind to
one another.

1225
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,400
There's no reason to not be.
Just if you don't like somebody,

1226
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,840
don't talk to him.
There's no reason to be mean to

1227
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:35,960
people, so be nice.
I didn't used to be nice.

1228
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:39,720
I didn't have any friends.
I became nice and I got a lot of

1229
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:41,680
friends, so I guess there's
something to it.

1230
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,440
Anyway, until next week.
Peace.

1231
01:07:49,000 --> 01:08:18,439
The.
The.