#104 - Don Tresohlavy - Iraq War Veteran

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Yes, we are live on YouTube,
ladies and gentlemen.

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We are live on YouTube.
I warned him we were in a

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rock'n'roll theme.
Yeah.

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I'm old enough to remember
watching people having fun doing

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that.
It doesn't look as much fun

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today.
Yeah, that was actually.

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Right.
That was a probably.

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Yeah, No, right there.
That song, that was us.

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That was, that was Freeman from
Nemesis.

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Oh, welcome to the show, Donald.
How are you today?

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Oh, doing great, guys, doing
good.

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Absolutely, absolutely.

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So Donald's kind of a cool dude,
man.

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He he's a, he's a military
veteran.

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Thank you for your service.
Yes, thank you for your service.

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My military family, my son's a
Marine active duty right now I'm

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hanging out in California.
So you were let tell us a little

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bit about your military
background if you would.

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Donald, do you prefer Donald or?
Don, Don, Don.

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OK, Cool, Don.
So give us an idea of your

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military background, Don.
Sure.

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Yep.
Well, I did three years active

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duty.
I was a combat engineer

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stationed in Vilsack, Germany.
Shout out to 84th engineers.

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I love you guys still today.
Oh yeah.

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All righty.
OK, so I spent 15 months in Iraq

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way.
The way I very much remember it

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is I went into the combat zone
on my 23rd birthday.

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I was still in that combat zone.
What year was this so?

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What year was he?
What year was that?

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This was 2007 to 2008.
OK.

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OK.
And then I got out in 2009 and,

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well, you know, on paper, OK,
Yeah, it looked like things went

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really well as I got out.
I we used my GI Bill and I, you

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know, got my college degree.
Sure.

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And within six months found this
great job working for the

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railroad.
All right, on.

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And this is this is like 2009 to
2012, like end of 2009 to 2012.

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So if y'all might remember, this
wasn't a fun time to look for a

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job.
Not at all.

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Yeah.
So I felt very lucky in that

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case, yeah.
For sure.

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But I also wasn't really having
all that great of a time

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readjusting to civilian life and
all of that.

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So I, you know, I went back and
I went back into the reserves

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for a little bit, but I, I
didn't spend much time there.

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But in the meantime, well, the
reserves end up they pick up on

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some things from my deployment
and I end up getting ordered,

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basically ordered to seek help.
OK.

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OK.
And I did begin working with the

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VA, and I am not one of those
people who is going to complain

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to you about how bad the VA is.
I'll tell you they were great to

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know.
Yeah, because I've heard, I've

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heard both.
I mean, it depends on, you know,

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the person itself.
But yeah, some people just slam

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the VA and like you, some
people, you champion it because

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they did what they needed to do
so.

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It was kind of, it was a long
process.

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I mean, I they started working
my PTSD claim and we had to go

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through the process.
They started me with 40% and

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then I had to repeal and and we
got it up to 60 and then 70 and

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after 11 years.
OK.

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All right, so I come home from
work one morning, 7:00 AM, OK.

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And now you know.
I'm about £350 at this point.

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And how tall are you?
How tall?

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How tall are you?
About 6 foot.

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OK, so I just want to put in
perspective because you know

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when you're sitting down, people
don't know how tire.

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So 6 feet tall, £350.
Wow.

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That's a bad boy.
Not in good shape.

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At this point, OK, yeah, yeah,
yeah.

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So, and like I pretty much did,
every time I got home from a job

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on the railroad, I grabbed a
beer, started drinking, Yeah.

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And then just opened up my bank
account to do some usual stuff,

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pay some bills, Sure.
That an extra $20,000 in there.

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All from the VA.
Yeah, right on.

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That's that's how I found out.
I was 100% at that point.

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Right on.
And yeah, hey, I I mean, hey,

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guys, celebrate that by getting
hammered, of course.

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Absolutely.
But why not?

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You know, you remember I had to,
like, call out sick from work

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that night.
Like we don't do anything.

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OK.
Gotcha.

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Yeah I remember going like wow,
I go back on call in like 2

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hours and I'm hammered.
She'd probably.

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Call out.
Sick out no prior prior to to

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that moment in time were you
because we talked a little bit

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alcoholism, things like that.
So when you when did you drink

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and start, you know, take us
back to when that did it start

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during the military or did it
start coming out of the military

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to kind of bury those demons and
keep the keep the demons quiet

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or explain that a little bit?
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The drinking was the drinking
was a thing in the military.

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Sure.
Like at the very early onset of

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it, OK, I think a lot of the
drinking came from the fact that

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I couldn't smoke pot.
Oh, OK.

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That's really where I think a
lot of it really just started

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because I mean like.
I completely understand that

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for.
Sure, yeah.

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I've been in that situation too,
like.

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I'm going to.
That Ave. is taken away from you

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and that's what you gravitate
towards is the next thing,

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right?
Exactly.

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And even like and, and the
railroad, you couldn't smoke pot

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either, so.
And that was my situation.

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I was told I couldn't for a
large portion, you know, 10

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years.
So I get it, man.

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And that's kind of the avenue
that I was headed down because

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that's you have you find a
replacement for something,

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right?
Exactly.

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And unfortunately 1 is a
negative and the other is a

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positive and they take the
positive away from you and they

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leave you with the negative.
Isn't that, isn't that weird how

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the world did that right?
You take something that's not

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habit forming, that has so many
benefits from the health and

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psychological aspect, but
instead oh you can just go drink

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alcohol which is has the the
even if you're not an alcoholic,

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drinking alcohol on a daily
basis has a negative impact on

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your body.
In Access for sure, yeah.

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Yes.
So continue your story, Don.

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OK.
All right.

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So now unfortunately, something
the military instills in you

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that's probably not great to
apply to everything is never

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quit anything.
Right.

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Of course, instead of quitting
my job like I probably should

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have.
Right.

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I decided to just start smoking
weed and let fate decide.

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OK.
But I mean, at this point,

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unfortunately, it didn't go
quite the way I was really

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hoping it would, where I would
just start smoking weed and not

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quit and not drink anymore.
Oh, that, that did not happen.

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I just added weed to it.
I did drink.

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Less OK now were you just
drinking beer or was it was it

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liquor and a hard alcohol beer?
OK, it it was beer that was that

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was what the weight was coming
on.

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Definitely, Yeah.
OK.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I, I, I passed 20 years sober

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back in, in February.
So I get, I get that for sure

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because you know the beer, you
know it, it definitely packs on

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the weight.
Well, we'll, we'll, we'll talk

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about that.
Definitely.

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That's definitely alright.
So basically it takes about a

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year but I do finally get hit
with a drug test.

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Yeah.
Yep, and you know, I leave the

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railroad and just that.
Oh my God, we could do a whole

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podcast on that fucking story.
So let me ask you this, let me

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ask you this question.
So you test positive for part of

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the drug test and there's no
there's no type of assistants

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like, hey, you know, maybe Don
has a problem.

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Let's get him into this little.
It depends on your union

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contract.
Oh, OK.

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Well, everybody has different
rules in their contracts.

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And I was offered treatment but
I'm not going to go to rehab for

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fucking weed, especially when I.
Right, we we have the same

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option.
You go for 30 days, but then

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you're subject to random tests
at any time for any reason.

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And he would be under the same
like they could the very next

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day after he goes back to work,
they could pop him again and

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then he's done.
And that's what they're going to

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do.
Gotcha.

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So they, so they want they offer
you that out of a union level of

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of.
It's part of the contract.

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Right, but then.
But then if it's a random thing

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your second time, you'll see you
later.

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Bye.
Yeah.

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And they're going to wait maybe
a month or two, and then they'll

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say, Don, we're going to need to
see you down at medical.

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And, you know, he's still been
smoking weed.

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And now Don's done.
So he just chose to walk away.

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OK, gotcha.
So most unions know nowadays

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because this is back in 2009,
but most more 2910, right Don?

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Well, the R12 2012 was when I
was hired out on the railroad.

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I left in 2021.
So nowadays, Chris, yeah, most

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of them have come to their
senses weren't included and they

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just threw that out.
They don't test for that at all,

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right?
They test for everything else on

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your hard drugs.
Right, You got test for the

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cocaine, the cocaine and the
heroin and the Columbia.

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Yeah, yeah, The Columbia.
Columbia.

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Bam, bam.
OK, I got it.

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So.
So summarizing Don's story so

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far.
So you're in the military, Iraq

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war veteran, you finally get
100% disability.

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You wake up one day, 20 grand in
my bank account.

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So it's time to, you know, get
your party on.

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You kind of threw caution in the
wind, started smoking pot again

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while working for the railroad.
Fast forward several years, you

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get tested, you get popped.
You opt to just do your thing as

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opposed to the rehab because
you're not going to go to rehab

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for just pot.
Why not?

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So here we are so now we're
we're here we're you you you

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lost your job on the railroad.
Now let's, you know, pick up the

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story from that point all.
Right.

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Yeah.
So now, like basically OK now

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realize between the railroad and
the military, college was my

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only real break in life.
Like I, these are two careers

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that are life consuming.
You know, yeah, yeah.

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So now I actually have free time
for the first time ever really.

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Which is a bad thing for an
addict, right?

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Well, probably, yes.
In general, I'm not going to

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disagree with you.
Oh yeah.

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Also, I have a tendency to buck
the norm.

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OK, OK, really at this point,
like, 'cause the first thing I

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said with this is if I'm going
to not work, I am not going to

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just wake up and drink all day
and yeah, like, I'm going to do

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stuff, yeah.
You got to have some purpose in

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life regardless.
Yeah, I'm like I'm only 36 at

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the time.
OK, OK.

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But so I, I mean, that actually
really did help.

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So I kind of went from like
maybe drinking a case of beer

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every single chance I got, which
was on the railroad schedule

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close to every day.
OK.

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To like probably 15 every other
day.

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So I did reduce and also like
the other weird thing that just

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sort of like straight healthier
was I suddenly had a sleep

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schedule again.
Oh.

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First thing I did like 'cause I
was a conductor so I was totally

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on call 24/7.
Oh wow, oh wow.

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Yeah.
Wow.

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So like the first thing I did
was I was like, all right, 10:00

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PM, that is bedtime.
Yeah, 6:00 AM that is wake up

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time.
Gotcha.

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OK, Yeah.
OK.

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So like that, that part went
great, but the problem is like

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15 beers every other day is
still quite a lot.

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That is, That is quite a lot,
absolutely.

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I'll attest to that as well.
You know, I mean, I'd maybe,

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maybe, maybe maybe I dropped
about 15 lbs.

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That's about it driving that
much.

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But you know, Fast forward now
we get to the winter time.

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Winter sucks in upstate New
York.

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There's nothing to you don't
want to go outside.

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I don't know.
Outside in the winter.

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Time because it's cold, right?
Yeah, exactly.

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That's when I finally at least
get bored enough that I'm like,

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all right, I got to go find a
part time job or something.

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Yeah, you know, and all in the
same month I find this part time

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job, I'll just say a department
store.

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I don't want to say where, but
and and the same month a friend

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of mine like tells me about
mushrooms, right, psilocybin.

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I said magic mushrooms in the
text because I never spell

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psilocybin.
I've no idea how.

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To spell, OK, that's good.
MMM has Mike has experience with

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mushrooms, which is why this
will be a good conversation.

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Because he's been there and done
that.

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You've been there, done that.
So I've never done it.

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I've never done any psychedelic
even though I've written songs

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about it just from outside
looking in.

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Changed my life too, Don.
So, yeah, yeah.

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I want to ask you one question
real quick, not to interrupt

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your story, but did we gloss
over the fact that you were

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medically discharged from the
military?

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I was medically discharged from
the reserves.

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OK it.
Was an honorable discharge from

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active duty.
OK, I I don't want to that

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that's a very important point in
this story because otherwise

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there's dumb people listening,
not dumb, maybe not informed

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that are going to think this
guy's just a lazy piece of shit

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and got lucky.
And I just want to reinforce the

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fact that you are honorably
medically discharged from the

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military and you had a hard time
reintegrating into society,

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which is a very common story
with veterans, right?

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That that, yes.
Yes, OK, so continue on with

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your story, but I think that's a
very important point in your

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life's, what do you call it,
Chris?

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Your life's resume your.
Life's resume?

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Yep.
Yeah, exactly.

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Continue on.
So now you're, you're starting

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to experiment with psychedelics,
which I have been there, done

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that many times all.
Right.

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So I I got the first one there,
the guy it tells me about the

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heroic doses like the 4G or
more.

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Heroic doses, that's what I call
them too, yes.

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Yeah.
OK.

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So, so for people, so, so
remember for people that don't

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understand because not
everybody's understands this

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topic.
So what's a dose?

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So real quick, yeah, people have
probably heard of micro dosing

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and they've heard of what they
consider people saying tripping,

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right?
Correct.

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Yep.
You are not tripping when you're

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in micro dosing.
You are kind of altering your

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reality so slightly that it's
only only really noticeable if

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you pay attention, right?
You'll notice just simple things

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like I don't feel as agitated
or, you know, areas where I

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would have had road rage or
something like that.

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All of a sudden I'm calm.
OK?

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A heroic dose is we're going to
let the walls melt in front of

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us and we're going to a
different dimension in our mind

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or in reality, nobody knows
because it's so realistic to

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you, it doesn't matter, right?
OK.

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And in that dimension there's
love and there it's just

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overwhelming, like the universe
is hugging you all at the same

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time.
I'm getting goosebumps as I'm

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describing it, right?
Because if you've been there,

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you long for that just peace.
It's just complete peace.

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And knowing that there's
something on the other side,

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that whether it's in your mind
or whether it's reality, it

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doesn't matter because when you
come back from that, you're a

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changed person.
And Don can tell you what that

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meant to him, but to me, it
meant I went from being a

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complete control freak and
asshole over everything in my

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life and a negative person to a
complete positive person and

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understanding that everyone else
is a human being, right?

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With their life's resume and
their reason for living, that's

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cool.
So.

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So for an ignorant person like
me, that would be the equivalent

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of just taking one hit off a
joint as opposed to smoking 10

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joints in an hour.
Yes, OK.

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Yes, OK.
I just because I you know that

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put that's a.
Great way to put it.

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OK, because I I.
I really want people to

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understand and listen to us
because if they haven't done it

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like myself, I want to get it
understanding because you and I

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have talked about it, Mike,
before.

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Yeah, so I get it.
But that helps me understand the

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difference between micro dosing
and a heroic dose.

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So a heroic dose is kind of like
I'm going to the desert with Jim

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Morris and drinking some peyote.
I'm going to see God.

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That would be like.
Putting enough to fill the palm

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of your hand with mushrooms and
you alone take that.

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That's your heroic dose.
OK.

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That's about 7 to 10 grams,
right, Don?

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Yeah.
Make sure you don't have

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anything to do for the next 12
hours or so.

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Oh yeah, we.
We can get.

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To that part, yeah, but OK,
yeah, so, so.

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Continue your story.
This is very interesting, but I

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wanted to kind of break it down
just in layman's terms for, you

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know, the people that don't
understand what we're talking

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about.
So continue, please.

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Very fascinating.
All right.

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So my buddy, he gives me 6G and
he tells me, all right, first

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night, do just 2G and see how it
affects you.

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OK, Well, John.
All right.

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Yeah, sounds great.
So.

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Well I invite my buddy over, he
brings over his VCR and we watch

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man.
Yep, like watch.

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Friggin Star Wars before it was
ruined with all that CGI

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bullshit.
All right, all right, the 2G

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haven't just an absolute blast.
I am like, OK, I didn't really

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know what to expect, but right,
you know, and who and who would.

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You're really, really.
Good.

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Yeah.
You enjoyed watching this movie,

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All right.
And the next morning I'm like, I

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still notice.
I'm like just kind of bouncy

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today.
Something really energetic.

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All right Hon.
Going.

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On.
Here.

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So that's a great way.
To describe it too.

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Something's different, right?
Yeah.

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Like I, I just couldn't put it
on it.

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So, well, Like every morning I
skipped on down to the gas

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station, bought a case of beer,
took it back to the house, threw

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it in the refrigerator, Right.
And, but, well, as far as I was

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concerned, I didn't think about
that beer for about two more

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weeks.
Really.

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Isn't that awesome?
That's.

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Crazy that's how it works.
So just.

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So if you're just joining us, so
this is Don and he's talking

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about his journey from
alcoholism and, and when he got

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introduced to, to mushrooms and
he was drinking 15 to 15 beers

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to a case of beer every other
day or so.

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And then you, you have this,
this 2 milligram dose of, of

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magic mushrooms as you call
them.

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You bought beer and you didn't
even think about it for two

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weeks.
Like it changed you 4G dose?

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In between that.
OK, but that's just.

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Yeah, but that's.
Amazing that that completely

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shifted your mind to to where
you because I'm like I said, I'm

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20 year alcoholic.
So when I stopped drinking, I

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just stopped drinking on a dime
because that's kind of my

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personality.
But I struggled more so after my

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first year with temptations that
he did the first year 'cause I

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was so hyper focused on getting
to the first year.

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Here's another thing.
To not gloss over OK.

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All right, he did. 2.
Doses.

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Right, He didn't sit there and
just pop mushrooms for 12 hours

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straight for seven months in a
row.

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He did 2 doses what, a few days
apart, right?

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That's usually how everyone does
it.

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Because one thing that I've made
very clear down and I want you

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to reinforce this is
psychedelics are not something

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that you long to do right away
again, right?

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It's that intense.
You don't, you don't wake up the

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next morning and go, let's see,
I'm getting goosebumps again,

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because this is important for
people to understand that these

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are not, this is not crack
cocaine.

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This is not crystal meth.
This is not something that

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people want to do right away.
Again, it's life changing in a

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positive way in all but a few
circumstances where people have

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underlying health conditions
where they shouldn't have done

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it in the first place, like
schizophrenia or something like

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that, Right?
Yes.

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And another thing that is very
important to note, with magic

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mushrooms, psilocybin, nobody
has ever died from an overdose.

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Thank you like that.
That is very important.

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Now, yes, psychotic breaks and
things like that are possible.

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I have to give it a pause.
That is good.

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I had to applaud.
That because it's, I mean,

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because Mike and I have talked
about that too with marijuana,

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like, you know, name what you
find one scenario where

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somebody's overdosed on
marijuana or killed someone on

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marijuana, it just, it doesn't
happen.

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So that's I, I appreciate you
guys bringing that up because

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that's a really valid point that
again, people that, that think

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this is taboo, who don't really
understand it, This Is Us trying

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to impart this wisdom on you and
you choose to do what you want.

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We're not advocating anything.
We're just sharing down the

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story.
But that's, that to me is

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amazing.
So to two doses a few days apart

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and then the desire for alcohol
just was wiped away.

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Now for about two weeks though,
OK, OK, but.

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Still, I mean, still it was
pushed at bed.

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That's impressive.
Yeah, Yeah.

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OK, so I.
Mean.

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After the two weeks or so I do
finally, I'm like, you know, I'm

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sick of looking at this.
Drink it.

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And I mean.
I'm like, I am pretty like.

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The thing is though, I'm not
getting drunk, OK?

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So you're just drinking to have
a drink as opposed to drinking a

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good hammer.
OK, Which is the way I.

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Do it now.
Yes, yes, because I was going

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to, I was going to make sure to
emphasize this like I right now

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I call myself, I'm a liquor on
vacation drinker, OK, You know,

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I like my last, my last drink
was, well, it was a Easter of

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last, of last Easter because I
was in Myrtle Beach.

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OK, you know, but like I did
like, like I said, I I started

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dropping down at that point.
I was really I would struggle to

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get up to 10 beers, OK.
Which Which again, which again,

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that's one point in time here.
Before magic mushrooms, you were

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15 to 24 beers every day or
every other day.

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So and now you.
As someone who hasn't been there

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can see, yeah, how his brain is
starting to rewire it.

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So yeah, that's impressive.
Man, exactly and.

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It's even at some points and
times it even felt more like wow

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I think I'm more doing this out
of ritual than anything else.

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Like I'm almost kind of forcing
myself to drink another beer

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because, yeah, well, I normally
would do that now.

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Yeah, I could.
See that?

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I could see that and it, yeah,
no, I mean, here's the thing.

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And in the meantime, I'm also
trying to lose weight and I'm

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going through a lot of, I mean,
I'm starting to exercise and

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doing yoga and all that and
eating healthy again.

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I've tried a whole bunch of
different diets.

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Right now I'm just sort of I I
inadvertently do the carnivore

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diet.
I bought a.

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Pellet.
Smoker and discovered bulk meat

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prices and then here I am.
I love it.

455
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:46,120
Yeah, but so, well, it's kind of
funny because I, I, I'd say this

456
00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:49,640
also, I tried everything to lose
weight except for just

457
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:55,320
completely quitting beer.
And I literally had the beer

458
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,200
down.
I noticed this about 2-3 months

459
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,760
ago.
OK, all right.

460
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,040
And you know, mind you, I've
taken mushrooms probably maybe

461
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:09,520
once every once every couple of
months since then before we get

462
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:10,600
too.
Far away from that.

463
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,560
When did you do the next dose
after you did those two?

464
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,080
Because you said that curbed
you're drinking for about two

465
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,360
weeks, Yeah.
When did you?

466
00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:21,120
Do the next dose after that it
was.

467
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:24,640
Probably.
It was probably about a week

468
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,840
after after I started drinking
again.

469
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:30,720
OK, Yeah.
And then you kind of continued

470
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:36,160
to do that all along or did you
take breaks from it or because I

471
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,680
went like a year after my second
time.

472
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,720
I took a couple of breaks
drinking.

473
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,840
I know there was one point.
I know I will.

474
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,200
OK, I know there was one point.
I remember I learned the hard

475
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:54,800
way that you can't not eat beef
because I literally, I remember

476
00:26:54,800 --> 00:27:00,240
this like, I was on chicken and
vegetables all month long and

477
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,200
nothing but.
And I remember texting a buddy

478
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,760
of mine who's a big diet freak
and he says like, and I'm like,

479
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:14,240
why am I wiped out after every
meal or after every, like, work

480
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,480
day?
And the first thing he asks,

481
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,520
he's like, yeah, when was the
last time you had beef?

482
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,360
Huh.
I'm like because you had no.

483
00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:26,560
Iron in your diet is that I.
I'm guessing that was probably

484
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,040
it you're getting more into.
Chris's wheelhouse now.

485
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,440
He understands Christian a lot
better than I do.

486
00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:34,720
Yeah, yeah, I, I.
Don't understand it.

487
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,360
Great myself, I just know, like
after he said that, I went to

488
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:41,040
Burger King, ate a burger and I
immediately felt better.

489
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,320
Yeah.
That's crazy, right?

490
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,320
That, that you just put some,
some, some dead cow in your body

491
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,200
and all of a sudden BAM, your
energy level goes through the

492
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,520
roof.
It's it's a trip, man.

493
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:59,680
It's absolutely a trip.
No, it's interesting, but no, I

494
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:04,840
actually got my beard all the
way down to no more than two at

495
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,880
a time, no more than four days a
week.

496
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,480
Right now, that one was.
About about three months ago.

497
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,520
So that's kind of where.
I'm at if we're putting this

498
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,520
into perspective, I went 10
years without drinking at all,

499
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,200
9/9 and 1/2.
So we'll just round it up to 10.

500
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,440
But.
Then I decided because I had

501
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,840
rewired the way I think, I
don't, and I've told Chris this,

502
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,840
I just don't like feeling fucked
up anymore.

503
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,120
And a couple times a year that I
accidentally go over the edge.

504
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:40,960
I'm so disappointed in myself
just because that feeling is not

505
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,840
something that I aspire to
anymore.

506
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,720
When we were all addicts, that's
the feeling that you aspire.

507
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,120
That's what you would chase.
You would.

508
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,200
Chase, you would chase to be
comfortably numb and then once

509
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,200
you hit comfortably numb, at
least for me, then it was like,

510
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,360
OK, try to maintain that long
enough so then I can fall

511
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,680
asleep.
So now to.

512
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,000
Yeah, go ahead.
Now to put this into perspective

513
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,120
for people.
Yeah.

514
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,720
Instead.
Of aspiring to feel that way to,

515
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,440
you know, use it to fall asleep
as a crutch.

516
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,640
Kind of like Chris is describing
now.

517
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,120
It's disappointment.
You know?

518
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,840
I'm like, Oh my God, now I got
to ride this stupid fucking

519
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,720
feeling out for the next 6-8
hours.

520
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,120
Then tomorrow morning I'm going
to feel like shit.

521
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,920
I'm all dehydrated.
Fuck this.

522
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,440
I'm not doing this again because
I think a lot.

523
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,640
I give a bad impression because
I usually drink we're in the

524
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,000
morning, ladies and gentlemen.
So I have coffee right now.

525
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,320
But right, a lot of times people
do see me drinking a beer on

526
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,040
this show.
That's like the one or two beers

527
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,560
that I'll have for that whole
day.

528
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,800
Well, and then and you.
Have to understand two people

529
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,680
that are just joining us and
Mike referencing that.

530
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,520
And Mike's not an alcoholic, no.
Mike was never an alcoholic, no.

531
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,480
So the fact that he can have a
beer, it has no impact on him.

532
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,720
Me on the other hand, if I have
a beer, I'm down that rabbit

533
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,680
hole again.
Life, my, my fucking life is

534
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,520
just so that's going.
To rewire your brain right back

535
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,160
to the where the hole you were
in exactly which.

536
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,200
Is why it took me so long to
embrace non alcoholic beer

537
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,440
because when that first time I
did it the brain was like holy

538
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,280
shit this is beer.
The the tongue was like, oh, oh

539
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,800
the nectar from gods.
And then it just didn't know how

540
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,000
to process because I love the
taste of beer, which is why I

541
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,120
won't touch the non alcoholic
whiskey they've made.

542
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:19,080
Because I know being who I am,
if I had a shot of that fake

543
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,120
whiskey, it's fucking all over
because that was going right for

544
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:22,880
the.
Jack Daniels?

545
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,920
Exactly.
So you have to know your

546
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,440
balance.
Worry about.

547
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,800
For, for Speaking of Jack
Daniels there, I think maybe a

548
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,360
year ago or so.
I also haven't drank soda in

549
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,120
like a long time now.
That's kind of for.

550
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,720
Your weight too, man.
Yeah.

551
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,520
Soda like I'm I'm glad to say
that soda tastes like shit to me

552
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,000
now and this is how I found out
I was out at the casino one

553
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,640
night and I ordered a Jack and
coke OK, not even thinking about

554
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,160
it 'cause I mean, I first went
to Diet Coke and then put.

555
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,960
Soda, right, 'cause that Coke's
so much better.

556
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,280
Yeah, but.
Just saying this is a full on

557
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,480
sugary soda with the Jack in it,
right?

558
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,320
And and I just down it and I'm
like.

559
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,920
What the frig?
Is this doing to my stomach like

560
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,520
the sugar and the soda is
screwing me up way worse than

561
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:21,840
the Jag is right.
But Nah, I was going to say if

562
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,840
you if you look on my channel,
the daily dose of Dawn, yeah,

563
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,960
people, we are going to you see
like from a few from about maybe

564
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,520
two months ago.
I did this show there.

565
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,440
It's called the Hunt for Hulk
Hogan.

566
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,960
OK, right.
Early.

567
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,840
Hulk Hogan was doing a a tour
around upstate New York, OK,

568
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,600
with his new real American beer.
Yeah, yeah.

569
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,480
Oh my God, talk.
About fucking American this

570
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,000
water, I mean.
I told you I was.

571
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,280
I was stationed in Germany.
Man, I know good beer.

572
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,200
Yeah, yeah.
No, no.

573
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,560
No, in Germany, because you
bring that up in Germany, they

574
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,680
drink their beer warm, right?
It's not cold.

575
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,320
It's it's room temperature,
right?

576
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,680
Right, Yeah, which would be
weird to me, like because it

577
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,320
would be weird.
But it tastes good the way.

578
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,560
OK, OK.
Well.

579
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,720
I can't taste it, you know,
unfortunately, but you know,

580
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,440
I'll take your word for it.
If I make it there, I'll.

581
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:17,760
Let you know.
Yeah, Mike and Mike can.

582
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:23,240
Taste it for me.
But no, I, I, I buy a 12 pack of

583
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,960
of his beer.
Yeah, And I get home and it's

584
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,240
kind of the same thing again.
I'm like, there's about six of

585
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:35,400
them left in the fridge and I'm
tired of looking at them, so I

586
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,320
friggin choked down all six of
them one night.

587
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,200
And I'm just, man, this is like
the drunkest I have been in a

588
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:50,040
long time.
Like I end up like going

589
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,400
downstairs and going to the
bathroom and throwing up.

590
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,560
I'm like oh God, wow.
I haven't done.

591
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,240
This in a decade and a half?
Sure.

592
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,080
Yeah.
So I guess.

593
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,400
So.
God give a good shout out and

594
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:11,240
thank you to Hulk Hogan.
That's one thing.

595
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,400
I'm glad you brought that up,
Don, because I probably should

596
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,160
put out a public service
announcement.

597
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,600
I just kind of had the same
conversation only about cannabis

598
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,000
with another friend of mine who
recently discovered it again and

599
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,280
had a very bad experience
because.

600
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,880
Modern day.
Cannabis is a lot more powerful

601
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,320
than what we smoked when we were
in our 20s, which was basically

602
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,040
whatever came across from
Mexico.

603
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,600
So.
Be careful.

604
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,920
If you've been away from it for
a long time and you're thinking

605
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,120
about going and dabbling in it
again, absolutely go do it.

606
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,600
It's not going to hurt you, but
do it very minuscule.

607
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,360
You know, if you used to do a
lot, do a very tiny amount

608
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:58,120
because I blacked out the first
time I did the pens.

609
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,920
You know that stuff that's like
97%.

610
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,240
Yeah, my blood pressure.
Dropped down to nothing and that

611
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,600
was the end of me so.
Definitely be.

612
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,480
Careful and with edibles because
edibles are processed by your

613
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,199
liver and they're four to five
times more psychoactive than

614
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:21,880
THC, so be careful with edibles
as well so.

615
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:28,280
Edibles can be more potent than
magic mushrooms, no so.

616
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,679
They can.
They can mimic the same kind of

617
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:38,560
effects if you do too much
because THC is injected straight

618
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,840
into your bloodstream because
you're smoking it, right?

619
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,880
It's an instantaneous effect.
You feel high right away.

620
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,760
You know exactly what you just
did.

621
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:50,360
Edibles.
If you read the package it says

622
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,199
allow 40 minutes to an hour for
activation time right?

623
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,400
If you also read the package,
which a lot of people don't do,

624
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:04,040
it will show you the dose for
the amount that's in each gummy

625
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,200
or cookie or whatever you bought
right?

626
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,440
Sometimes the package says 200.
And 50 milligrams and there's 25

627
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:16,480
gummies in there is basically 10
milligrams each, correct, so. 10

628
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,720
milligrams to a novice is a lot
that might pin you to the couch

629
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:23,400
for 8 hours.
Like you can't move anything but

630
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:24,920
your eyes.
Yeah, or you're.

631
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,840
Or you're working out with
Donuts and bags of chips because

632
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,080
you're feeding.
That could happen as.

633
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,840
Well.
So.

634
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,680
Edibles are processed by your
liver and it turns the THC into

635
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,560
another chemical called 11
hydroxy metabolite, which is 4

636
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,560
to five times more psychoactive
than THC.

637
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,440
Seriously.
Yes.

638
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,400
So.
So with does the magic mushrooms

639
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,560
is that does that pull that out
too or no?

640
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,800
No mushrooms are going to be
more psychoactive than THC.

641
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:03,040
OK, but 11 hydroxy metabolite,
which is the chemical that THC

642
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,720
has turned into by your liver
cause four to five times more

643
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:09,960
psychoactive than the feeling
you would have if you smoked

644
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,440
marijuana is what I'm saying.
That's that's.

645
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,640
Crazy.
That's how I know.

646
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,560
That edibles don't affect me the
way they affect everybody else.

647
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,480
Because I can take a 200
milligram gummy and drive to

648
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,560
McDonald's and get lunch and
come back, Dude, I would I.

649
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,520
Would I'd be I'd be on the floor
for days, man.

650
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,520
They took 200.
Milligrams.

651
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,600
And I was like, man, I'm glad
I'm familiar with this feeling

652
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,240
'cause I just suddenly went, I'm
about to start tripping the

653
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:39,200
first.
Time I did it Don, I had to re

654
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,160
evaluate my life for like 5
minutes.

655
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,120
I went whoa, Nelly, you know,
and then I went, I came back to

656
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,880
baseline real quick.
I'm like son of a bitch, you

657
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,960
know, it's like.
It's not as much fun.

658
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,880
As the way other people describe
it, but I wanted to be very

659
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,160
clear to the listening audience
at home that when I talk about

660
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,240
that, I do not recommend people
do that on any level, right?

661
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,360
And I don't think you would
either, no. 200 milligrams.

662
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,920
Is a lot I mean.
Well, like I, I personally, I

663
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,160
don't really do, I've, I've done
edibles before, but I don't

664
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,280
really do them because I they're
too much of A commitment for me.

665
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,280
I just use them.
To sleep so I don't really abuse

666
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,400
them once.
In a while I like to.

667
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,080
Have a good time on a Saturday
afternoon, lay down, watch a

668
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,720
baseball game and relax.
You know, maybe after I mowed

669
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:30,720
the yard, I'll do a what you and
I are now called calling a

670
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:32,600
heroic dose.
Yeah.

671
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,280
But for the most.
Part I'll take like 20 to 40

672
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,640
milligrams before I go to bed
and it just kind of helps you

673
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,880
ease into sleep.
You know, I I have anxiety real

674
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,600
bad and I've always been a
person who could never shut my

675
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,680
brain down at night.
So it just kind of helps me ease

676
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,120
into sleep is the way I use it
for, yeah.

677
00:37:55,240 --> 00:38:00,280
I mean, what I love about
smoking it, I can smoke it and

678
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,120
then I can lay off for 1/2 an
hour and then go drive.

679
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,080
I can't really do that with
edibles, things like that.

680
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:15,040
Yeah, definitely.
I would not recommend someone

681
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,640
took edibles and went and drove
a car.

682
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:18,520
No, don't.
Do that.

683
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:23,640
Don't do that.
That's surprising.

684
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,800
It has such a different effect
from a different type of things

685
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,960
you ingest.
The things you learn listening

686
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,120
to podcasts, my friend.
Right, this is the Chris and.

687
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,240
Mike Show Find us on Instagram,
Facebook and YouTube.

688
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,200
Great plug.
So how long?

689
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:44,040
How long, how long did it take
you to really not because

690
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,920
obviously you're not an
alcoholic at all on any level

691
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,320
now.
Because like we talked about

692
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,160
before coming on the show, you
use magic mushrooms to kind of,

693
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,640
you know, get yourself out of
that.

694
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,240
So how much beer do you drink
now?

695
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,200
I have not drank beer in about
two months now.

696
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:00,960
OK, so just.
Notice any other?

697
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,360
And how many doses have you
done?

698
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:07,640
Oh.
Mushrooms.

699
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,400
Yeah, quite a lot.
Quite a lot.

700
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,680
Too many count, OK.
But still, it's kept you from

701
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:19,200
drinking, which is amazing.
Yeah, and not, I mean it's I've

702
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,720
been doing them for about 3 1/2
years now, so.

703
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,320
Yeah, OK.
And what kind of, what kind of,

704
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,600
again, this isn't a how to do
magic mushrooms, boys and girls.

705
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,400
This is just me asking questions
for real.

706
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,240
Like just kind of ignorance.
How often do you dose like like

707
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,640
like you know, people that smoke
pot and smoke pot everyday

708
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,960
people that can drink and not
have issues with it can drink

709
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,840
everyday.
How how often do you do the mic

710
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,720
the the mushrooms and and do you
do heroic or micro?

711
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:53,920
I have I have not done any in
about 2-3 months right now

712
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,000
because of well, I currently my
my supply is out basically

713
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,120
indefinitely.
OK.

714
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:06,840
Unfortunately.
But I mean, other, but First off

715
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,200
#1 like, it's not like there is
any addiction going on here.

716
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,120
Well, yeah, I think you.
Haven't done it for that long.

717
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,120
Yeah, there's no.
Addictive properties to that

718
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,320
whatsoever.
That's why I made it very clear

719
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,920
that that wasn't something that
people aspire to do right away

720
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,120
again and I have never heard
anybody say that about

721
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,600
psychedelics.
OK, and to kind of not take the

722
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,880
opposite of what you just said,
but I'm glad that you found Don,

723
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,080
because you know how important
it is to me that people

724
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,640
understand that this is saving
veterans lives.

725
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,000
This saved him from being an
alcoholic, right?

726
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,680
It it 100% saved his life.
The man was £350 at 60.

727
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,480
He was drinking a case of beer
every day to every other day,

728
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,080
Right?
He was headed for death.

729
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,080
There's just no other way to put
it.

730
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,160
This saved his life.
Yeah.

731
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,280
He's sitting here talking to us,
having a good time.

732
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,440
He's laughing, he's telling his
story.

733
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,480
It it could have been just the
opposite.

734
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,880
He could have been another
veteran.

735
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,280
It could have been a number.
Right, exactly right.

736
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:08,840
Right.
Exactly.

737
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,640
And that's a bad thing.
We'd rather have Don here to

738
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,040
talk to him.
Yes, it's a great conversation.

739
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,840
So.
So from a personal aspect of

740
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,960
Don, do you have family,
brothers, sisters, ever been

741
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,440
married, kids, all that kind of
jazz?

742
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:25,240
Never married, no kids.
OK, that you know.

743
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:30,160
Of yeah.
We don't need to know them.

744
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:36,840
Don't sip me out.
So Brothers, sisters, brother

745
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,360
and sister, a couple of nephews,
you know, Yeah.

746
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,600
OK, OK, cool.
So.

747
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:43,840
What?
When you went, When you went?

748
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,880
Can we talk a little bit about
your time in the Iraq war?

749
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,640
Sure, a little bit, OK, because.
I don't, I don't want to open.

750
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,360
You know, you can stop me
whenever.

751
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,120
I told him he's welcome.
To talk about or not talk about

752
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,600
what kind of rapped about that
before the show a little bit,

753
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:58,480
OK.
Cool.

754
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,640
But yeah, I would like to.
Hear whatever you want to talk

755
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:01,520
about too.
Yeah.

756
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,240
What?
What branch were you in the

757
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:04,600
military?
I was.

758
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:06,160
I was an.
Army OK.

759
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,040
And you're an.
Engineer.

760
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,000
So explain to those that don't
understand what an army engineer

761
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,960
does.
Combat, combat, combat.

762
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:14,800
Engineer.
Yes, my bad.

763
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,720
Well, let me put it to you this
way.

764
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:23,680
My recruiter told me you'd be
setting the explosives.

765
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,680
OK, Then I got over to Iraq and
found out.

766
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,600
Now we actually look for them.
Oh, no.

767
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,160
Oh.
So so wow.

768
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,960
So you're scouring the desert
for IE D's basically then?

769
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,480
Basically yes.
There's route clearance was our

770
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,240
main job.
How stressful.

771
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:42,960
Was that man?
So you're on the front.

772
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:48,880
Line of the front line right.
Yes, basically we've the swaps

773
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,880
they put in front of the
infantry here.

774
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,360
Go drive down that road and
look.

775
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:53,600
Fuck.
That.

776
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,360
So now I say thank.
You again, sorry to interrupt

777
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,960
you, but holy shit dude.
Thank you for your service

778
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:05,880
brother.
So I wouldn't say once it's one,

779
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,840
once you've done it every day
for a month or so, it does

780
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,320
become normal and your Connor.
Your life's still in danger

781
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:14,680
every time we do that.
No.

782
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,480
Wow, that's insane.
So how many did you find a day

783
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:21,600
just.
Jesus Christ.

784
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,520
We quite frequently we wouldn't
find any in a day, OK, But you

785
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,600
know, I mean, usually if we
found one, it would take so long

786
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,240
to dispose of it that Oh yeah,
that was our day, OK, You know,

787
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,880
so.
I don't know if this relates or

788
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,720
not, but have you ever seen the
movie The Hurt Locker?

789
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,520
Yes, yes, I have.
OK, OK.

790
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,560
So I kind of get to the side
right there and I'm not trying

791
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,360
to.
I'm just, again, this is

792
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,240
painting a picture for people
that don't understand.

793
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:55,640
If so, is the Hurt Locker any in
any way relevant to what you

794
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,200
did?
Yes, yes, EOD, OK.

795
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,520
EOD is like the next step up
from combat engine OK.

796
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,240
EOD is what every.
Combat Engineer is supposed to

797
00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:08,280
be striving to be caught, OK.
OK, Yeah.

798
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:11,120
OK.
I mean, there's.

799
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,680
A line in that movie where the
guy tells him, like, you know,

800
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,640
let's pull out and let the
engineers handle it.

801
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,360
That's who he's talking about.
OK, OK.

802
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:22,360
Gotcha, so is is that where the
bulk of your your PTSD stems

803
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,360
from?
Just just looking for IE D's

804
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,240
that are going to potentially
kill you and or your people

805
00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:29,920
behind you.
Just the, just the.

806
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:35,800
Sheer stress of that.
I wouldn't put it all on that.

807
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:40,520
Like I said once after, after
about after, after about a

808
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,080
month, your real problem becomes
complacency where you stop

809
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,640
stressing about it.
OK.

810
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:48,840
I've heard that so many times,
Don.

811
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,360
Yeah, I.
Mean, that's why I don't really

812
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,760
want to blame it on that.
Sure.

813
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,920
Well, yeah.
You know, don't.

814
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,520
Want to get some angry messages
from my brother and should they

815
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,120
see this either no.
No, but this is your experience.

816
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,080
That's what everybody needs to
understand is this is the way

817
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:10,520
the world seemed to you through
that portion of your life,

818
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:11,440
Right, Right.
Right.

819
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:12,920
Oh yes.
Yeah.

820
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,000
Fuck what, everybody?
Else thinks at that point, this

821
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,800
is how your eyes saw the world,
going through that time in your

822
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,320
life.
That's what we're asking is,

823
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,200
yeah, you know, what did you
see?

824
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,040
What did you experience?
Yeah.

825
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,120
Yeah.
It's Don's point.

826
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,920
Of view because your point of
view is different than my from

827
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,240
what even Mike's point of view.
I have a buddy I went to high

828
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:31,560
school with.
He got out of high school.

829
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,120
He was the polar opposite person
you think would ever join the

830
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,000
Marines, let alone be a sniper,
end up killing nine people over

831
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,120
in, in Desert Storm like you
just, and then when he came

832
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,720
back, he had just all kinds of
chaos.

833
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:45,920
He just, I mean, he ended up
having a drinking issue big

834
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,360
time.
He ended up getting in a car

835
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,120
accident and going to prison for
some time.

836
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,080
So everybody's, everybody's
opinion and viewpoint of their

837
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,200
time in the military is
different.

838
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,320
So there's no judgement here.
There's, I mean, we just want to

839
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,560
hear your story and share it
with other ones, other people

840
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,800
that listen because you may help
somebody not go down that dark

841
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,600
path like you've gone to by just
a simple fact of, hey, magic

842
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,960
mushrooms got me to stop
drinking, you know, and so

843
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,240
you're, and So what caused your
PTSD is completely different

844
00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:15,040
than what caused my buddy's
PTSD, right?

845
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,600
Because he's over there killing
people and then he gets out and

846
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:19,960
all of a sudden you can't kill
anybody.

847
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,640
It's illegal.
Yeah, you know.

848
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,240
So, yeah, and, you know, and I
come from a military family.

849
00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:30,880
I mean, my my son has not seen
combat at all because we're not

850
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,360
in that, in that kind of time
frame right now.

851
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,840
But, you know, I know enough
people that have been there,

852
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,840
done that, that, that nobody
comes back the same person.

853
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,960
It just, you know, it doesn't
happen.

854
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,560
Definitely.
Not no.

855
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,080
So let's talk a little bit about
because what intrigued me was

856
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,480
your, your mansplaining, your
mansplaining The Handmaid's

857
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,640
Tale.
OK, so MM, have you watched The

858
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,360
Handmaid's Tale yet?
I have.

859
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,840
OK, yeah, I thought.
So so my wife and I watched the

860
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,840
whole series as well.
So and I kind of shared with her

861
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,080
this morning.
She's like, let's come on the

862
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,800
show today.
So I told her this guy down and

863
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,160
you know, I read your little bio
that you sent me and she's like,

864
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,160
oh man, swinging the Handmaid's
Tale.

865
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,560
That sounds interesting.
So I agree.

866
00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:14,520
So if you don't.
Know a Handmaid's Tale?

867
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,160
I haven't got as many.
Angry reacts to that as I

868
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:23,280
thought I would, but it's but.
Yeah, well, you know, I mean lay

869
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,160
out the handmaid's.
Tale for people that don't

870
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,720
understand that are listening
right now.

871
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,080
Otherwise, they're going to be.
Lost.

872
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:28,880
Yeah, OK.
So the.

873
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,360
Handmaid's Tale is on on Hulu,
and it's a series wrapped around

874
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,600
the fact that the entire world
shuts down because it's a

875
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:35,640
dystopian.
Future.

876
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,680
Dystopian future.
Where you can't have babies

877
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:42,520
anymore and the entire United
States gets taken over by Gilead

878
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,760
except for Texas, right?
Is it Texas and and Alaska?

879
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,520
Hawaii.
And Alaska, Hawaii and Alaska.

880
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,600
Are the continental US?
Yeah, right.

881
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,360
And the entire.
Continental United States only

882
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,400
Hawaii and Alaska are left
untouched by Gilead and Gilead,

883
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,400
like Mike said is dystopian
world and it's controlled and

884
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,520
the Handmaid's tale, the
handmaids are are are stolen

885
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,960
from their families because
they're fertile and just to

886
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,400
paint the really bizarre picture
for you.

887
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,520
The Handmaid.
Is laying on the bed, legs

888
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,960
spread, women have become.
Sterile women have become.

889
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,680
Sterile, so the the husband of
the wife.

890
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,520
The wife is holding the
handmaid's shoulders, so she's

891
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:27,080
engaged by visual participation.
So she's behind the handmaid.

892
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,760
The handmaid's on the bed and
the husband is having sex with

893
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,280
the handmaid while looking at
the face of the wife who's

894
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,880
holding the handmaid down in
order to impregnate the

895
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,800
handmaid.
And then that handmaid becomes a

896
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,800
vessel to carry said baby.
And then that baby gets turned

897
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,280
over to the husband and wife.
I forget what the husband's

898
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,400
called.
The commander gets turned.

899
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,040
Over to the commander.
And and the commander's wife and

900
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:54,920
then that handmaid typically is
enforced to be the nanny of said

901
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,560
baby or she's removed from the
the house entirely.

902
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,440
And then they end up going
working as prostitutes in the

903
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:06,200
brothel, which is very dark and
violent.

904
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:11,200
And just like it's not the.
Yeah, it's not the.

905
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,360
Bunny Ranch brothel in Reno, NV,
man, it's, it's a brothel.

906
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,400
Like you're basically getting
raped on every single occasion,

907
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,960
but you're forced to do that
because that's your end game and

908
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,840
that's what you know, you're
forced to do.

909
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:28,040
So Don here has a YouTube
channel where he's mansplaining

910
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:30,880
The Handmaid's Tale.
So they tell.

911
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,640
So there's the background of the
show.

912
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:42,480
Don mansplain it to us, please.
Letter read My reactions to this

913
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,120
have just been like what the
hell I First off, I got to say

914
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,000
this the pacing on the show is
amazing.

915
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,720
Yes it is.
It keeps you in case for sure

916
00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:55,120
Marvel would Marvel and Star
Wars need to take notes from

917
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:56,640
that because couldn't agree with
him.

918
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,080
All the same.
Stupid loopholes and dumb shit

919
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,600
going on.
Yep.

920
00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:04,480
Their pacing is so great it
camouflages it.

921
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,440
Yeah, so I'm gonna give them
that.

922
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,880
And all right now I am
currently, I've done my episodes

923
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,880
through season 2 right now.
OK, cool.

924
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,160
What's available?
Right now I'm going to

925
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,040
subscribe.
To your channel right now, Yeah,

926
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,680
yeah.
Started to I've started to watch

927
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:28,320
season 3, Season 2.
I am just blown away by this

928
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,120
plot line.
OK, yeah, the guy, Nick the

929
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,280
driver.
Yep, Yep.

930
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,040
OK, He's he's that for the
people that don't know, he's the

931
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,080
commanders driver, right?
Hand man for sure, right hand

932
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:41,760
man.
Yep, basically.

933
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,000
And the commander wants to
promote him.

934
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,320
Yeah.
So in order to get promoted, you

935
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:48,880
got to get married.
Yeah.

936
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,840
And they make him get married to
a 15 year old little fucking

937
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,440
religious robot.
And.

938
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,520
And on top of that, he's got to
fuck her or else she's going to

939
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,600
turn him in, right?
Being a being a gender traitor,

940
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:10,000
right?
Yeah, Yeah.

941
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,880
And I'm just sitting there like,
who the fuck is raping who here?

942
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,080
Thank you.
Yeah.

943
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,960
That's the.
Brilliance of that writing, Don.

944
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,360
Yeah.
Do you?

945
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,560
Know Do you know how?
Many people that went right over

946
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:27,840
their head, yeah.
Oh, I'm sure I will bet.

947
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:32,920
And I'm, I'm in, I'm I just got
introduced to Lawrence, whom I

948
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:37,520
absolutely love.
OK, OK, I mean no spoilers, but

949
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,320
I'm about I've watched the
second episode of season 3 right

950
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:42,720
now.
If people haven't seen.

951
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:45,680
Seasons 1-2 and three they've
been living under a rock, so I'm

952
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,000
not worried about too many
spoilers with The Handmaid's

953
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,600
Tale unless it's the final
season because that just came

954
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,400
out.
Yeah, that's and that's where

955
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:54,640
we're.
At right now we're in the final

956
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,800
season as it just ticks down,
but I can already.

957
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,640
Tell this Lawrence guy he's the
he's got to be the Saul Goodman

958
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,080
of this series.
He's already stolen the show for

959
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,480
me.
I don't care about anybody else.

960
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:10,680
I'm like, what is his deal?
Because up until he showed up,

961
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,920
my main thing about this was
like, who's having a good time

962
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:14,760
here?
Yeah.

963
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,880
Right, because nobody is I'm.
Waiting for everybody to just

964
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,640
stop and go Hey I got an idea
dude.

965
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,080
God isn't real and we're wasting
our fucking time.

966
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,680
Yep, and just waiting.
For everyone to realize this,

967
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:32,240
yeah.
And it's.

968
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,320
And, and, and so those that
haven't watched it, really you

969
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,320
should, one of the opening
scenes of the entire show is, is

970
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:42,720
basically the folks from Gilead
stealing women from on under.

971
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,800
You know, I forget where they're
going because it's been so long,

972
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,680
but they were stealing the
women, chasing them down and

973
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,520
taking the kids.
So if the women had kids, they

974
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,320
steal the kids too and place
those kids with other commanders

975
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,720
and their wives and God forbid
they're females because then if

976
00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:59,720
they're females, what's the path
when they reach the edge?

977
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:04,440
Cause again, if you think the,
the, the FLDS stuff, the, I

978
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,680
forget what it is, but you know,
the wacky side of the Mormon,

979
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,400
Mormonism, fundamentalist,
fundamentalist, all the wives,

980
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,840
all the kids.
It's kind of that I've I kind of

981
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,240
equated it to that concept that
it's it's that kind of forced

982
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:20,560
upon with a 15 year old that
Nick was forced to marriage

983
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,120
that's forced upon.
You have to do this or else and

984
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,440
the OR else is you're going to
be hanging from a bridge dead.

985
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:28,680
Yes, that's.
The other thing is they went

986
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,600
back to the Roman times and they
left them hanging there from

987
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,400
that.
That was a Roman trick back in

988
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,240
the day, yeah.
Just to leave.

989
00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:38,720
You there all over the place.
Yeah, actually it probably.

990
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:43,160
Started with like Genghis Khan.
Probably.

991
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,120
Probably because he wasn't a
very good human.

992
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,600
No, you know.
What was?

993
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:55,000
It less than 1% of the less than
1% of the women could have

994
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,280
babies.
Is that what it got down to in

995
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,720
Gilly in the?
In Handmaid's Tale, yeah, I

996
00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:01,720
think so.
I think that's a kind of.

997
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,680
I haven't really.
I think they're still piercing

998
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:11,360
together the the beginning for
me on this because I gotcha like

999
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,760
I, I mean my, my other main
thing is I'm like, all right, I

1000
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,840
could see where we could get
here in a couple of generations.

1001
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,320
I don't see how we're getting.
I'm glad you took us there

1002
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,800
because that's where I wanted
you to go that this could if you

1003
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,560
watch this series.
That.

1004
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,520
Could happen so easy.
Look how easy we gave up our

1005
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,280
rights after 911, right The
Patriot Act.

1006
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,400
Yeah, look how easily they will
give up the rights when COVID

1007
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,120
hit.
Well, that.

1008
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,360
Yes, I've always another great
point though.

1009
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,040
The Republicans will give up
their rights of a terrorist

1010
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,320
attack and the Democrats will
give up their rights in a

1011
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,240
pandemic.
Well, we're fucked if the

1012
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:51,280
terrorists ever get a biological
weapon, right?

1013
00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:53,880
Which they did.
With which I think COVID, I

1014
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:55,960
mean, not to go down a
conspiracy trail, but I think

1015
00:54:55,960 --> 00:55:00,080
that was biological on some
level because now look at all

1016
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,960
the stuff that's coming out
about that, you know, some

1017
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,960
health insurance providers won't
cover anything.

1018
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,320
Now that's COVID related from
the vaccinations.

1019
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,800
What does that tell you?
You know, you know, and it's

1020
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,120
fine.
And whatever that was, I mean,

1021
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:14,920
I, I like, I never snored before
COVID.

1022
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:16,640
Now I snored and I had COVID
twice.

1023
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:21,040
It's like, what the fuck?
You know, So there's that, you

1024
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,160
know, and in the military, like
you were out of the military,

1025
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,280
but my son Don, you had no
choice.

1026
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:29,440
Like right.
As a as a Marine, anybody in the

1027
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,120
military, you're a Guinea pig
for everything when it comes to

1028
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,040
vaccinations.
Oh, absolutely right, because

1029
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,280
you're.
Property of the government?

1030
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,960
Exactly.
So right, but that was his

1031
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,760
thing, like he had no choice,
even if and he wouldn't have not

1032
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,320
said no anyway.
But even if those that said no,

1033
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,400
you were, you were still you.
You take the shot or you're

1034
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,640
you're dismissed and you're not,
you're not dismissed with, I

1035
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,440
forget what it's called now.
Hell brain fart.

1036
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,120
Oh, with prejudice.
Yeah.

1037
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,400
Yeah, like dishonorably
discharged because you're not

1038
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:00,800
taking the shot.
Correct.

1039
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,680
Right.
And so, I mean, that's that's

1040
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,440
crazy shit, man.
And you know, and when Jay

1041
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,480
Jacob, he he had like fucking
raging nightmares the first

1042
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,160
night.
He he when it was in the system,

1043
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:11,720
like just did you get
vaccinated?

1044
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,480
I did.
I got the Johnson and Johnson

1045
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,480
vax, the baby one.
I did not.

1046
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:17,880
I had to because.
We were.

1047
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,200
We were runners and we were
going on a vacation race and we

1048
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:22,600
couldn't we couldn't get on the
plane.

1049
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,680
We couldn't get to the event
without a vaccination.

1050
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:25,720
Card.
Yep.

1051
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,240
Nikki had to because she's a
teacher.

1052
00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:29,160
She had no choice.
It's like you get, you take this

1053
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:30,560
or you're tired.
Think about that.

1054
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,400
For a second, a vaccination
card.

1055
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,600
So for a very short time, this
country got everybody to have to

1056
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,920
have a piece of paper to travel,
right?

1057
00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:40,960
Yep.
Tell me that wasn't.

1058
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:47,120
Some kind of weird site Geist
fucking high level experiment to

1059
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,640
see how far we can control the
population for how long.

1060
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,800
Absolutely, man.
I think all of that, at the end

1061
00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:00,480
of the day, it was, it was a
smoke and mirror at the time,

1062
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:01,960
because everything's smoke and
mirrors, right?

1063
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,800
Like you have all the stuff
Trump's doing now.

1064
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,160
But if you look at the last page
of the newspaper, you see what's

1065
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,200
really going on in the world.
And all the ditty stuff is

1066
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:10,480
drawing attention from other
things.

1067
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,280
Corey Haim and all those and and
Chester Bennett.

1068
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:15,200
Right.
And Chris?

1069
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,160
Cornell they were all tied to
the fact that there was such an

1070
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,240
underlying human trafficking
pedophilia ring in the Hollywood

1071
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,520
scene and and all the different
parts of the world.

1072
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,360
Nobody believed Corey Haim or
Corey Feldman, right.

1073
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,080
They just shut him down, shut
him down, shut him down.

1074
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,320
And I look at him, it's like
fucking told you.

1075
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,400
I told you right now what he's.
Saying seems mild compared to

1076
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,600
what people have heard, right?
Because that's the thing, it's

1077
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,720
like, let's desensitize the
world, right?

1078
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,760
Which is why I don't think
aliens were announced truly

1079
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,520
until this last couple years.
Because the Internet has so

1080
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,360
undated everybody with
everything.

1081
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,040
You're not going to have the
reaction to aliens that you

1082
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,360
would have had 20 years ago, 20
years ago, the world's in a mass

1083
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,040
panic.
Holy shit, aliens.

1084
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,080
Now it's like, oh, yeah, there's
an alien, there's, there's UFO.

1085
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,000
Let's see, let me get my phone
out, you know, but.

1086
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,960
Here's here's I think the rabbit
hole goes even that much deeper

1087
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,440
because they told you about
aliens, right?

1088
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,960
So if they told you about it,
then it actually is deeper than

1089
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:13,880
that.
So then I think it goes to you

1090
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,560
and I have talked about 100
times maybe we're living in a

1091
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,560
situation where timeline shift
and they know it, right?

1092
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,040
And there's nothing they can do
about it there.

1093
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:27,040
There's a huge conspiracy that
when they started that CERN up,

1094
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,520
that that's when the timeline
started shifting.

1095
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,000
Yeah.
Yep.

1096
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,880
So let's just.
Tell them yeah, aliens are real.

1097
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,480
That's my point.
Yep, no I.

1098
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,520
I was reading something
yesterday about time mirrors.

1099
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,600
Have you heard of Have You heard
about Time Mirrors?

1100
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:42,360
No, now you're going to teach me
something.

1101
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,680
It's all theoretical.
Because when I read the article

1102
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,480
at the end of the articles, and
this is all speculative, I'm

1103
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,920
like well that sucks.
So time mirrors.

1104
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,600
I love shit.
Like that I know so time.

1105
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,960
Mirrors are basically it the way
it looked, it was, was, you know

1106
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,720
how you got the ring there?
The the light ringed on It was

1107
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,840
like that size of mirrors facing
each other and it could increase

1108
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,680
communications from, you know,
better than they are now.

1109
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,920
It could go through different
levels of I sent it to Nikki

1110
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,280
'cause it was such a fascinating
article.

1111
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:15,240
Let me see how I can find it.
Yeah, there it is.

1112
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,480
Oh, come on, stupid thing.
That's why is it not doing it.

1113
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:25,880
It's not playing fair anyway.
It's just a it's a unique thing.

1114
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,760
I will it's a unique thing that
that is is is is it's up.

1115
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,760
It's up in the game as far as
technology is concerned because

1116
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,280
you could take you can take
these time errors and you can it

1117
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,520
it's supposedly cause again,
it's all in theory can can store

1118
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,920
data you know at a more
efficient rate that it can it

1119
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,080
can.
Communications.

1120
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,040
At a more efficient rate, which
I don't know how more efficient

1121
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:49,960
communication would be.
I'm in.

1122
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,400
I'm in Arizona, Mike's in
Illinois.

1123
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,000
And where are you at, Don?
I'm in upstate New.

1124
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,320
York, right?
Oh shit.

1125
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,360
So, I mean, you know, we're
covering the, the West Coast,

1126
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,120
the Midwest and the East Coast
on the show.

1127
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:04,440
So how, how much more
communicating can you get?

1128
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,160
Right?
But it, it was fascinating from

1129
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:07,400
that fact.
And I'll send it to you, Mike,

1130
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:11,640
'cause it, it literally was just
like, wow, that's, that's a,

1131
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,080
that's a legit type thing.
And then I realized, Oh, it's

1132
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,280
not real.
It's it's all speculation, but

1133
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,280
that's how everything.
Started right at at one time we

1134
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,560
thought there were only two
dimensions and people thought

1135
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,800
the world was flat.
And if we thought anything

1136
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,960
different, they would hang you
into town square.

1137
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:28,400
Yeah.
Right.

1138
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,880
Yep.
Are you on?

1139
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,120
Are you on Facebook as Donald?
Dawn.

1140
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,040
Yeah, that's my personal
profile, but I also have the

1141
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,360
Facebook page, the Daily dose of
Dawn.

1142
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:41,640
Right?
I want to send you this.

1143
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:43,400
Thing that's why I was asking.
I want to sign up for.

1144
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:44,480
That too.
Yeah.

1145
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,960
I'm a Dawn fan now.
Daily.

1146
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:48,480
Daily.
Dose of Dawn.

1147
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,640
Hopefully after this appearance
I'll get a whole bunch more too.

1148
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:54,880
We hope you do.
Man, that's the whole point,

1149
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:56,280
man.
We want to help people like you

1150
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,080
help people like us.
And it's, you know, it's, it's

1151
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,400
it goes all around.
Yeah, I meant what I said.

1152
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,560
Man, it's awesome to know that
you went through the same kind

1153
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,120
of deal that I did.
Only, you know, your situation

1154
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:11,560
was so much worse because your
physical health, I mean, at one

1155
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,160
time, I guess my physical health
was at risk too.

1156
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:19,960
But it, it, it warms my heart
every time I hear a success

1157
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,280
story from someone with
psychedelics because they've

1158
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:28,280
been demonized as the horrible
drugs, just like meth and

1159
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,240
cocaine.
And you know what I'm saying?

1160
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,160
When it's the exact opposite.
All I've ever heard is beautiful

1161
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:35,200
stories from people.
Yeah.

1162
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:41,160
Well, Nixon Reading, needed a
reason to lock up the hippies.

1163
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,840
That's it, people.
Don't realize that that's the

1164
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:47,800
only reason it's illegal.
He was scared of the hippies.

1165
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,040
That's a true story.
Yeah, he was on.

1166
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,160
Tape, that's part of the
Watergate, when that became,

1167
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,040
when that became public
knowledge to the Freedom of

1168
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,080
Information Act, We found out
that Nixon was afraid of the

1169
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,960
hippies.
They were gaining too much power

1170
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,280
and they were changing people's
minds.

1171
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:09,000
You know, when who was it that
said drop out or TuneIn?

1172
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:10,120
Drop out?
Yeah.

1173
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,240
Yeah.
Who was that?

1174
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:14,680
I don't remember.
It wasn't.

1175
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:16,800
It wasn't.
It wasn't linen.

1176
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:22,280
No, it was a famous psychedelic
guy back in the day, but he had

1177
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,480
such a movement that people.
Was it Timothy?

1178
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:25,920
Was it Timothy Leary?
That's it.

1179
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:26,680
Thank.
You.

1180
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,560
You're welcome.
Jesus, well, because I was

1181
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:30,520
thinking about Timothy real
early in the in the effects

1182
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,480
because they did all the even in
the military, right.

1183
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,240
They were experimenting LSD with
our troops.

1184
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,880
They were giving.
Them heroic doses times 1000

1185
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,120
right because they wanted.
To see what what impact would

1186
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,920
have on them in those poor.
Guys, now they went through hell

1187
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,640
because they didn't know what to
expect, right?

1188
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:51,040
That was a horrible thing to do
to somebody.

1189
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:55,320
So imagine this, Don, you and I
are talking about what a heroic

1190
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,480
dose is.
Imagine doing 1000 times that.

1191
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,520
Of LSD.
Of LSD.

1192
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,560
There's a movie on Netflix.
I I told Chris about it.

1193
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,520
I'll, I, it'll probably come to
me while we're talking about it,

1194
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:14,360
but that's the whole premise of
the documentary is here's what

1195
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,160
happened to our troops and
because they were government

1196
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,280
property.
I think they were.

1197
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,600
Volunteers at 1st and then they
were.

1198
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:23,720
Forced.
And then they were.

1199
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,800
Forced.
But they were giving.

1200
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,040
Them 1000 times what we would
do.

1201
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,280
What do you even do then?
You just, like, lie on the couch

1202
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,640
and fall through space.
So you have.

1203
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:37,760
You have.
One, you have a miniseries

1204
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:44,160
called Warm Wood WORM Wood,
which is about mind control and

1205
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:49,600
the LSD effects, and you have
How to change your mind, which

1206
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,040
is another thing on on on
Netflix and then have a good

1207
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,280
trip, which is another thing on
Netflix.

1208
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,880
I was trying to find the
relation to the more aspect of

1209
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,480
it, but it's not.
This one's on Max.

1210
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:07,440
OK on Max Max movie power of
Google boys and girls power

1211
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,560
gurgle.
So, Doctor.

1212
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:11,160
Delirium.
That's it, Doctor.

1213
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,440
Delirium and the Edgewood
experiments.

1214
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:16,360
That's it.
It's on on Max Doctor Delim and

1215
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:22,200
and here's the here's the here's
the summary of OK, the wow.

1216
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,080
OK, the image is the gas mask
that you have to go like Jake

1217
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:28,720
had to do the gas mask thing.
So it's basically the true story

1218
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:32,840
of human experiments conducted
by the US Army from 55 to 7520

1219
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,560
years, 20 years.
The Army used its own soldiers

1220
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,240
as human Guinea pigs and
research involving powerful mind

1221
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:41,880
altering drugs.
Told through exclusive footage

1222
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,400
and first hand accounts, this is
a true story of one of the

1223
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,040
darkest chapters in U.S.
history.

1224
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:47,560
The footage is.
Hard to watch.

1225
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,040
It really is.
Yeah, and it.

1226
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:53,040
Was released in 2022 and and
I'll put it on our Facebook page

1227
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,960
because the the image they have
for this is is creepy.

1228
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,120
That's what made me.
Watch it, you know damn well

1229
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:01,120
that's why I tuned it super.
Creepy image, man.

1230
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,080
Yeah, super creepy image.
So that would be.

1231
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:08,560
The for the people listening,
the they're going to be like,

1232
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,200
man, he's a, he's definitely a
flip flopper.

1233
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,280
I am not.
That's the dark side of

1234
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,200
psychedelics, right?
I would never recommend somebody

1235
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:19,920
sit there and do 1000 times a 10
milligram dose.

1236
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:24,760
Well one thing I would also
stress is like I I don't believe

1237
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,320
like psychedelics should be
legal in the same way they

1238
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:31,440
cannabis is, no.
I think it should be controlled.

1239
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:32,400
Yes.
Yes.

1240
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:34,680
Like distributing?
Yes.

1241
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:36,920
Thank you.
I agree with you 1,000,000%

1242
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:41,480
because not everybody is you and
I, and not everybody is Chris,

1243
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,720
and not everybody's going to use
it responsibly.

1244
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,640
So yeah, I agree.
That's a good point.

1245
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,960
I think that it should be legal,
but I think it should be legal

1246
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:54,360
through some kind of
prescription plan where, you

1247
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:58,320
know, you don't get 1000
milligrams at a time or

1248
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,240
whatever, where you could put
yourself in a psychotic trip.

1249
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,640
So what's your weight down to
now, if you don't mind saying?

1250
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,240
Right?
Now it's about 260.

1251
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,880
That's that's.
Awesome, and you were plus 350

1252
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:20,200
and you were at your worst.
Well, very nice.

1253
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,440
That's insane man, but good for
you.

1254
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,080
I mean with the.
With the two months of no beer

1255
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,680
that that is starting to shrink
down again.

1256
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:32,320
So and and no soda.
Yeah, that too as well.

1257
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,760
Like I was honestly, that's kind
of what it came down to.

1258
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:40,400
Also, like I said, I was down to
like 2 at a time three times a

1259
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:44,120
week and I wasn't gaining
weight, but I wasn't losing any.

1260
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:46,640
Yeah, you're, you're.
Flatlining just.

1261
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:53,080
Staying the same.
So because we do this a lot, we

1262
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:55,560
squirreled all the way from his
time in Iraq.

1263
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,800
How long were you in Iraq 3?
Years 15.

1264
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,160
Months, 15 months, OK.
Yep.

1265
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,360
And then hung the.
Whole and the whole time you

1266
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:07,000
were, you were doing, you were
looking for bombs.

1267
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:14,720
Well, the first about six months
of our deployment, my platoon

1268
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:19,280
got separated from our company
and turned into a makeshift

1269
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,720
company with a couple of other
platoons and we went and played

1270
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:23,440
infantry.
What part of Iraq?

1271
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,400
Right on this.
This was in Baghdad.

1272
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:31,320
OK.
We did that for six months and

1273
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:36,240
then we moved up to the Northern
region War Horse, OK, and that's

1274
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:39,480
where we did real clearance for
the following eight months and

1275
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:41,200
so.
When you would find when you

1276
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,840
would find an IED, you talked
before how it would take the

1277
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,160
entire day that the fine one
blow me out of your days just

1278
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,760
consumed with this IED, How
would you dispose of it once you

1279
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,760
got it safely removed from the
area or did you dispose of it

1280
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:56,600
there?
Well, we would try to dispose of

1281
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:58,880
it.
There would be the best way to

1282
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,360
do it, Yeah.
We wouldn't really try to move

1283
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,200
it.
Circumstances.

1284
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:10,480
Now our skill level as as combat
engineers and was not very high.

1285
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,480
Well.
You're 23 years old, man.

1286
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,280
It's not like 10.
Years of.

1287
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,240
Experience of how to disarm a
bomb.

1288
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,439
Yeah, there, there.
Were a couple of NC OS that had

1289
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,359
gone through special schools and
and the special school everybody

1290
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:25,040
wants is Sapper.
That's the one.

1291
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,160
If you have that little tab that
says Sapper, OK, you can do

1292
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:31,200
pretty much anything.
Oh but yeah.

1293
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,720
But were these?
Were these like?

1294
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:42,680
Russian made IEDs.
I, I, I believe at the time, if

1295
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,439
I recall correctly, they were,
they believed they were tracing

1296
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,479
them back from Turkey.
Turkey, OK.

1297
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:51,240
So when you blow 1, so you come
across one because this

1298
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:52,760
fascinates me.
So you come across one.

1299
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,680
IEDs are just crazy, right?
Sharp, no loaded, going to

1300
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,279
destroy everything within a
large radius.

1301
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:01,680
So.
Do you do you cover it with

1302
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,880
something in order to dispose of
it safely so all the shrapnel

1303
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,080
stuff's not flying and, and
inadvertently, you know, taking

1304
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:12,000
somebody's arm off?
Well, you don't get out of the

1305
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,560
vehicle unless you absolutely
have to, OK?

1306
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:17,760
So you find these things while
you're in the vehicle.

1307
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:20,960
You're not like walking with it.
So I had in my head, I

1308
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:22,640
envisioned you walking with a
metal detector.

1309
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:26,319
I did too, you know.
We thank God we only did that

1310
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:30,319
once, OK, We only.
Did that once, yeah.

1311
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,960
So how do you find, how do you
find it in the vehicle like

1312
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,560
that, that that to me would be
hard ground penetrating?

1313
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,880
Radar.
We had the special vehicles, but

1314
01:09:40,399 --> 01:09:44,240
First off, we're like God, like
probably 30 feet in the air.

1315
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:46,160
Oh no shit.
Wow.

1316
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:49,160
So there's.
That and some of them had

1317
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:52,319
infrared cameras in various
different ways.

1318
01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:56,480
They put the ID there during the
day, it cooks and then we go out

1319
01:09:56,480 --> 01:10:00,720
at night and they show right up
on the screen like a.

1320
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:05,280
Signature, yeah.
There, there are various ways

1321
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:07,760
like that.
Well, I mean, this is how we did

1322
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,720
it 10 years ago.
They probably got or well, 15

1323
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:11,760
now.
Jesus.

1324
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,960
So you had a special, you had a
special made vehicle just for

1325
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:20,600
that, right?
Yes, there were a couple of them

1326
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:24,880
that we would either there be
the RGS and the Buffalo because

1327
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,160
that's lifted.
On a whole nother level, 30 feet

1328
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:28,800
in the air.
Yes.

1329
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:32,720
And it's up in the air and the
bottom of it comes down in AV

1330
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,320
shape, OK.
So that.

1331
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:39,680
Way when the IED goes off
underneath it yeah, it's.

1332
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:40,520
Pressure.
It's.

1333
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,280
Slit.
So it goes on the outside of the

1334
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:47,800
vehicle, Yeah, so.
Half it's either either side is

1335
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,360
absorbing half of the blast.
That's cool.

1336
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,320
I mean, you know, yeah.
So when when the.

1337
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:55,400
Buffalo has a big.
Arm on it.

1338
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,920
Have you ever seen Transformers
too, I believe?

1339
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:01,720
There's one.
Where the one of them, he's got

1340
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,480
a big arm on a big ass truck.
That's a Buffalo.

1341
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:05,920
OK, that's one.
Of the trucks.

1342
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,680
We had now I totally.
Know what it looks like?

1343
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,960
So when you when you say you're
driving and then all of a sudden

1344
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:13,400
everything alerts Woo, there's a
bomb.

1345
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:17,840
There's a bomb, so you're parked
on top of this thing with your V

1346
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:19,200
and how does it?
How do you ignite it?

1347
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:22,480
Then how do you set it off?
Oh, well, you no, no, no.

1348
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,000
That is just there in case you
run over it accidentally.

1349
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:26,880
Oh, OK.
OK, OK.

1350
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:28,360
Well, that's why I clarified,
because I didn't.

1351
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:32,240
I didn't know.
Yeah, No, if you find it, I mean

1352
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,440
you, you, you perimeter it off
and you try to blow it in place.

1353
01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:37,240
OK, so.
What's the perimeter you guys

1354
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:41,960
would do all right?
Oh God, trying to remember it

1355
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:43,320
can ballpark it.
It's been a while.

1356
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:48,960
I don't even really want like, I
don't know, 300 meters.

1357
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:52,960
OK, OK, that just gives people
an.

1358
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:56,440
Idea that like Chris said you
know I was under the same

1359
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,440
illusion that you guys were like
right over the top of it when

1360
01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:02,120
you were blowing it up yeah the.
Vehicle.

1361
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:05,360
Was just designed in case it
blew up that that was a safety

1362
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,000
device that was engineered into
the vehicle, right?

1363
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,320
Yeah, so 300 meters.
Is that's a pretty good range to

1364
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:17,400
be away from it.
I got, personally, I got hit

1365
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:21,080
while I was in the Buffalo ones
and I always made the joke.

1366
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:25,480
You see, they gave me an award
for it and I was like, doesn't

1367
01:12:25,480 --> 01:12:31,040
shouldn't the Haji get this?
I mean it kind of.

1368
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:34,160
Seems like he did the he he he
won, right?

1369
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:37,520
Yeah, Yeah.
No, you won because you're

1370
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,120
sitting here talking to us.
Yeah.

1371
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:41,480
So where do you where did it
hit?

1372
01:12:41,480 --> 01:12:46,040
You when it hit you.
It hit on the on the driver's

1373
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:48,520
side front, like right, pretty
much right underneath where I

1374
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:49,280
was.
I was.

1375
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:52,880
And then you watch the wheel go
flying.

1376
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,720
Wow.
And OK, OK, so these things, you

1377
01:12:57,720 --> 01:12:59,800
know, I, I never thought these
things were something you'd mess

1378
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:02,280
with, but that's, that gives a
little bit more perspective on

1379
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:05,160
because you hear every now and
then that somebody, somebody

1380
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,080
gets killed from IED when they,
you know, driving their vehicle

1381
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:09,600
and stuff.
So I mean, these things got to

1382
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,840
be just insanely powerful to
penetrate vehicles and blow them

1383
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:14,880
up and shit.
Well.

1384
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,440
It'll your your regular cars,
they'll shred them right to

1385
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:19,360
shreds.
Yeah.

1386
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:23,720
What about a Hummer?
Oh, yeah, yeah, the, the

1387
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:24,720
Humvees.
Yeah.

1388
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:27,280
You don't want to get hit in
those.

1389
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,400
We had strikers that I
definitely did not want to get

1390
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,680
hit in one of those.
None of them.

1391
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:38,440
What's a striker?
A striker is basically a tank

1392
01:13:38,440 --> 01:13:41,160
with eight wheels.
OK, OK.

1393
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:44,400
I got it.
That that'd be the best way.

1394
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,120
OK now since.
You said tank.

1395
01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:49,000
What would happen if a tank hits
one of those IEDs?

1396
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:53,560
Well, they're usually kind of
screwed because of the tread.

1397
01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:56,200
Oh.
So you're not going to get.

1398
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,440
Hurt, maybe, but your vehicle's
going to be incapacitated.

1399
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:02,960
Yeah, disabled pretty easily,
but you would be.

1400
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:07,720
Safe inside the tank I.
Think it would depends.

1401
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:09,560
Likely.
I mean, they do have like what

1402
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,360
They do have what they're called
anti tank mines there.

1403
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:18,560
Yeah, will literally go
underneath the hole, blow like a

1404
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:23,120
hole through the bottom of it
and out the top and the 4th of

1405
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,280
it will RIP everybody inside
apart.

1406
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,560
Wow.
Jesus now?

1407
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,040
Now in your in your time, you
don't have to answer this.

1408
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:32,560
You don't want to.
But in your time in the military

1409
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:36,720
doing what you did, did you ever
did you ever come across the the

1410
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,280
after effects of one of those
going off and and like coming up

1411
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,480
and seeing a vehicle that was
destroyed because of it, that

1412
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:44,400
you were just too late to get
there type thing?

1413
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:49,640
No, I never saw a vehicle that
was destroyed.

1414
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:53,520
And thank God, I never like had
anything like.

1415
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:56,560
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, yeah, never any mass

1416
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,240
casualty situations or anything
like that.

1417
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,320
That's good.
Yeah, that's good.

1418
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:04,760
Right on.
I think in that.

1419
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:06,720
Respect.
It was probably a blessing that

1420
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:09,200
you were the frontline of the
frontline, right?

1421
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:12,280
So if that was going to.
Happen it.

1422
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:15,040
Unfortunately, it would have
happened to your buddies or you,

1423
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:17,760
but you never had to experience
that.

1424
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:23,240
Well, yes, and I mean we our my
old company can proudly say we

1425
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,960
had no deaths.
Oh, right on that.

1426
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:31,080
Is that's that's huge.
Especially, yeah, I mean, we had

1427
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:34,040
a few evacs that sure happened,
but we had no deaths.

1428
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:35,600
That's outstanding.
And how many?

1429
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:37,800
How many was in your unit?
How many troops in your unit?

1430
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:42,960
Well, our company, that'd be, I
want to say 150.

1431
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:46,000
Nice.
Wow, that's impressive.

1432
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,360
That's a good leadership.
Well, that and.

1433
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:50,320
Yeah.
Now, were you ever actively

1434
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:53,080
engaged in combat?
As far as you know, just you,

1435
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:56,560
you roll up over a hill and all
of a sudden there's all the bad

1436
01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:01,560
guys.
No, I mostly just, I mostly

1437
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,480
dealt with the IEDs and they
don't really come out to play

1438
01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:06,240
during that.
Oh, OK.

1439
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:08,520
I mean.
That's kind of one of those

1440
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,520
things, you bury it and you hope
for the best.

1441
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:11,720
Got you set.
It.

1442
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,040
Forget it.
Yeah, yeah.

1443
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,400
Any idea how many IEDs you
discovered in your time?

1444
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:26,240
I no, I really want to know.
I don't know, maybe like 4050,

1445
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,400
OK, that's still that's.
Still cool though.

1446
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:31,520
That's 40-50 people that you
are, you know, vehicles that you

1447
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:32,960
saved.
Absolutely.

1448
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,240
That's impressive, man.
That's very impressive.

1449
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,000
So this is the Chris and Mike
show.

1450
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,400
This is Dawn.
You can find him on Facebook at

1451
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:45,440
the Daily Dose of Dawn, right?
Yep, and then same thing on.

1452
01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:48,280
YouTube Daily dose of Dawn.
That's correct.

1453
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:49,160
Yep.
OK.

1454
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:51,280
And he's.
Currently a mansplaining,

1455
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,440
Handmaid's Tale.
And then what else have you done

1456
01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:55,000
on your YouTube channel?
Because we're going to go

1457
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,160
subscribe, obviously, but let,
you know, pitch yourself a

1458
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:58,640
little bit.
What other stuff do you have on

1459
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:00,400
there?
Oh.

1460
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,560
You see, if there's a if there's
a theme to this thing, it's

1461
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:06,560
living with adult ADHD, OK,
Right.

1462
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:10,640
Man, I play Fortnite, I climb
mountains.

1463
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:13,360
I go on and down all go again,
man, I'm all over the place.

1464
01:17:13,480 --> 01:17:15,120
Right on.
That's cool.

1465
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:18,080
That's cool.
Anything else you want to talk

1466
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:27,600
about?
I don't know, what do you think?

1467
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:29,240
Mike, anything else you want to
ask Don while he's here?

1468
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:30,680
Anything else you want to
converse about?

1469
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:35,640
No, I'm just glad that you made
it through the other side, man,

1470
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:38,000
and that, you know, you battled
your demon.

1471
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:41,320
A lot of people don't understand
that saying that you're sober

1472
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:45,800
doesn't mean that you don't
still have some kind of what

1473
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:49,680
they would consider vice, right?
So people are going to be

1474
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:52,280
saying, well, that poor feller,
you know, he used to be an

1475
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:54,560
alcoholic, but now he smokes pot
all the time.

1476
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:58,000
Good on you.
Because those people have those

1477
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,240
people that say that.
I always make the joke, I know

1478
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:03,800
that you've never smoked pot
because you don't understand

1479
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:07,560
what it is, right?
Alcohol takes you away from your

1480
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:11,160
reality.
Cannabis brings you so far into

1481
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:15,400
reality that you are closer to
it than anybody who has never

1482
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,040
done it has ever been.
That's the difference.

1483
01:18:18,440 --> 01:18:21,080
Alcohol sucks you away from
society.

1484
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:24,560
Cannabis brings you right back
into it at a level that most

1485
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,040
people have never understood.
Yeah, let's, let's.

1486
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:32,360
Touch real briefly on on the
impact that smoking marijuana

1487
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:35,040
has for you, like you know it
can be used for antidepressants,

1488
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:38,840
anti anxiety.
What is it for you that it helps

1489
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:42,000
you deal with?
If that makes any sense.

1490
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:44,520
It makes perfect.
Sense great question.

1491
01:18:45,480 --> 01:18:47,760
I mean the first, the first
thing it helped me with,

1492
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:51,600
especially with the health wise
was regulating my appetite OK?

1493
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:54,080
Very much.
Because I was definitely one of

1494
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:56,720
those people that, like, didn't
eat until the end of the day and

1495
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:59,880
then ate one stupid big meal.
Yeah, I would be that.

1496
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:01,800
Person without it a lot of
times.

1497
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,880
Yeah, yeah.
And and I mean, that was like

1498
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:08,440
the first big, big helpful thing
was like, you know, I could take

1499
01:19:08,440 --> 01:19:10,040
a little hit in the morning.
Yeah.

1500
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:13,520
You know, for again, I'll
actually eat breakfast now.

1501
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:15,040
Yeah.
Well, that's good.

1502
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,480
Well, because, you know, not
eating is not healthy.

1503
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:25,800
Right now.
Anything, anything else to add

1504
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:29,720
to that?
Either one of you I.

1505
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:33,760
Would say that it definitely
makes people who are introverted

1506
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:36,640
more extroverted.
That would be another.

1507
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:40,440
Misconception.
You know, a lot of times I would

1508
01:19:40,440 --> 01:19:48,200
just disappear from society if I
didn't have a way to calm my

1509
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:51,400
anxiety, right?
Because I have like social

1510
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:54,800
anxiety where big groups of
people just I don't like being

1511
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:56,520
around him, right?
He likes being.

1512
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,360
In front of them on a stage
instead, yes, I like.

1513
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:01,040
Him at Bay?
Yeah, yeah.

1514
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:02,360
And then I don't have to talk to
him.

1515
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:05,840
Do you?
Were you?

1516
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,920
Already an already social person
where you like talking to

1517
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:11,520
people?
Or did that help you kind of

1518
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:16,160
bring you out of your shell?
I've never really been a

1519
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,560
sociable person.
That did bring me out of my

1520
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,200
shell in high school.
Definitely.

1521
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:24,360
Yeah.
I mean, even nowadays, even

1522
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:28,120
after the mushrooms, you know,
I'm like, I socialize with like

1523
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:29,520
3 people.
Yeah, well.

1524
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:31,800
I would.
Say that you and I have that in

1525
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:35,360
common in our personality trait.
Chris doesn't know a stranger,

1526
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:36,880
right?
He's going to talk to anybody

1527
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,480
for any reason that seems like
they want to have a conversation

1528
01:20:39,480 --> 01:20:42,560
about whatever subject.
That's just, that's part of his

1529
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:47,120
genetic makeup, right?
You and I are more if we know

1530
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:48,920
you, we'll talk to you for
hours.

1531
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:51,720
If we don't know you, it's hit
or miss whether we're going to

1532
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,200
have a conversation or not.
Probably not.

1533
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:57,480
Now you.
Have.

1534
01:20:57,480 --> 01:20:59,640
Here's one thing I.
Forgot to ask you you, you had

1535
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:01,680
referenced military, GI Bill,
whatnot.

1536
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:03,640
So did you actually?
You went to college.

1537
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:05,600
What did you what did you get a
degree in or did you?

1538
01:21:06,440 --> 01:21:08,240
Criminal justice.
All right on.

1539
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:11,880
So am I going to have an
affinity for serial killers?

1540
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:16,120
Yes.
Fascinating.

1541
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,800
So, but you never did anything
with the criminal with the

1542
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:22,720
criminal justice degree job in
that in that world.

1543
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:27,320
No, by that time, and honestly
I'm glad I didn't.

1544
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:32,240
Yeah, I like there is a lot of
correctional officers around

1545
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:33,960
here.
Yeah, me too.

1546
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:34,680
There's.
A lot.

1547
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:37,400
There's a lot less.
Thank you very much, Governor

1548
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:43,080
Hochel, but you have no idea.
How bad I wanted the next words

1549
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:45,400
out of your mouth to be.
Yeah, I became a serial killer.

1550
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:50,000
No.
Well, I always actually, I don't

1551
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:53,040
know if it'd be a serial killer,
but I always said if I became a

1552
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:58,040
corrections officer, it would
just be this vicious cycle where

1553
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:02,200
I'm there guarding some asshole
and throws a bucket of shit on

1554
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:04,760
me.
So at this point, I got no

1555
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:06,160
choice.
I got to kill him.

1556
01:22:06,480 --> 01:22:11,080
Yeah, so right to death.
Now I'm in prison myself.

1557
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:13,760
And then?
I'm going to get pissed off at

1558
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:15,720
some guard, throw a bucket of
shit on, yeah.

1559
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:19,320
So here's the way.
Here's the.

1560
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:22,560
Way that I have heard it put
best because we're a present

1561
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,320
town too.
So I'm, I know a lot of guys who

1562
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:28,640
have worked there.
They basically say we're

1563
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:33,280
glorified babysitters and our
only responsibility is keeping

1564
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:36,080
people from keeping these guys
from killing themselves.

1565
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:39,760
And what are they in there for?
Killing people, right, right.

1566
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:44,320
So that's a very stressful job,
keeping people who are in there

1567
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:47,200
for mostly killing other people
from killing themselves.

1568
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:52,240
Yeah, that, that really.
Put it into perspective for me.

1569
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:54,800
I don't know if it does for
anybody else, but I never

1570
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:55,760
thought of it.
That way, but that's

1571
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:57,320
interesting.
That's a really interesting

1572
01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:58,240
approach.
Yeah, yeah.

1573
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:01,960
Hi there.
Boys and girls are going to wrap

1574
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:03,160
this up.
This has been the Christmas mic

1575
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:04,320
show.
You can find us on Instagram,

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Facebook and YouTube.
You can find Don on YouTube and

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Facebook with the Daily Dose of
Don.

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That's a Don.
He's a very interesting human

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military veteran, had some
active duty.

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So definitely subscribe to his
channel, follow his journey and

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his path.
Great guy for what we know in

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this short amount of time.
Don, thank you very much for

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coming on the show.
Absolutely.

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Thanks for doing this man.
Great time guys.

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No problem, Yeah, and and we.
Always wrap up the show with

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this.
Don't let the bad days win.

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If you're feeling depressed,
you're feeling anxious, reach

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out to somebody.
Somebody Loves You.

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Somebody will miss you if you
don't wake up tomorrow.

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So don't be that person.
Don't leave that hole in

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somebody's heart.
We're all here to help and

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support you.
If you need any help, you can

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reach out to Mike and I
personally, or you can just

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Google help and you're going to
find all kinds of avenues to get

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some support to help you deal
with whatever kind of a

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situation you're dealing with
today.

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So just remember that Somebody
Loves You.

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Somebody will miss you.
Or, if you're so inclined.

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Come on the show and talk like
Don to the show.

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Have a great.
Time.

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Just tell your story.
Sometimes it helps just to talk

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to people.
It does.

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Right.
And it may, I know Mike and I,

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we look forward to this.
So it makes our day that much

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better having these
conversations with people like

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Don because you learn something
new every day.

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I had no idea that that you had
vehicles that actually could

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search for IEDs.
Mike and I both thought it was

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you get your get your, you know,
what do you call those things

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again?
I forgot now the metal

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detectors.
Metal.

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Detectors.
Walking down the streets and

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just going back and forth,
sweeping for a bomb, sweeping

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for a bomb, I was right there
with.

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You, brother.
So I learned the same thing

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today.
This has been fascinating.

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Thanks again for doing this.
It's very nice meeting you, Don.

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Thank you for your service.
Yeah, have a very.

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Welcome, you guys have a
wonderful.

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Day Don, we appreciate you man.
Have a great day bro.

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Nothing but love.
Thank.

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You again for your service, bud.
Hey, Dave.

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Peace, Peace.
This is the place where you will

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go.
Be on the trail behind your

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eyes.
Feel yourself and need yourself.

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Take a moment, Look until you
see him fight the battle.

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That's you.
Both will fight the battle, but

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you both will.
Who is his baby?

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The.
Oh, when it.

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Goes around.
Here everywhere you ain't no.

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Creature.
We're playing smile and you

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should give grace on the
almighty day.

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You gotta dream who in your life
to keep a soul in every man.

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Take the trail behind your eyes.
Feel the soul evolution now.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah.

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Take a moment.
Look at you, see him fight your

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bail and see you mostly.
You gotta, you gotta.

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You gotta, you gotta, you gotta.