#106 - Kelly Meyer - Project Find Your Fire

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So there boys and girls, this is
the Chris and Mike show.

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I'm Chris.
He's Mike.

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And this is Kelly.
The mayor, right?

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They said the right mayor Meyer.
Meyer, Damn it, it's Kelly

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Meyer.
Nice to meet you, Kelly.

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Kelly Meyer from Find Your Fire,
we're going to have an

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outstanding conversation because
he's a really cool dude and

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we're just going to dive right
into it.

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Kelly, give us a little
background of who you are, what

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you do, and what you're all
about, man.

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Well, there's a lot of long
stories that go to that.

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That is that I come from an
academia background.

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My wife and I run Project Find
Your Fire, a business based on

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personal growth development.
We have we are both certified

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board certified coaches, a
number of other areas.

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We do one-on-one coaching group
coaching, travel all over the

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place doing workshops, keynote
speaking, that kind of things.

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Have been doing it for almost 30
years not.

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Quite that, yeah, that's a
preference.

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Yeah.
We, we were talking before you

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jumped on Mike that, that he's
like ahead of the curve because

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that's kind of just been more,
more of a relevant thing to do

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in the last decade or so.
You were.

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Way ahead of your time.
Yeah, right on, dude.

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So you want to, what do you want
to talk about?

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You want to talk about your,
your, your like high school,

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post high school adventure
'cause we're all about life

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resumes here and where you've,
where you've come and where

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you've, where you've come from
and where you're heading, things

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like that.
Because that's what we find the

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most interesting, where you talk
to people.

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Well, I would kind of like to
start with what do you what does

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that project do?
There you go.

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You know.
So what we do is we help people,

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you know, ignite their own
spark, you know, light their own

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fire.
Find what excites you in life,

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man.
If you can find what you're

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passionate about, what excites
you in life, you are so far

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ahead.
The problem is that most people

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end up in this vicious cycle of
redundancy.

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Wake up, you'll live the same
life every you go to bed and

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it's just you relive the same
emotions over and over and over

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again and you never get really
excited about life.

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And so one of the things,
Speaking of which, one of the

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things we take our clients
through is sort of the icky guy

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principle.
And I don't know if you've heard

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of icky guy.
Icky guy is icky.

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Guy yeah, I haven't heard.
It's a Japanese concept and it

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means the reason for living.
OK, now they're they're icky guy

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principle and it's whole is a
little bit more complex where

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you start to discover all of
these different areas of your

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life and then when it comes into
the center, that's your reason

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for living.
So I've discovered a quick and

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easy version of that that helps
our clients, you know, find what

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light life on fire.
So imagine, you know, a couple

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of different quadrants.
This this square grid in one of

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those quadrants are the things
that you're good at and you love

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doing, which is your passions,
right?

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Makes sense?
The next quadrant over is the

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things that you're good at but
you don't love doing, which is

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typically our jobs.
Sure.

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Unfortunately for most people,
yeah.

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Right.
The next quadrant is the things

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that you're not good at that you
love doing.

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Like, there are a lot of people
who like, for an example,

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golfing.
I enjoy going out to golf, but

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I'm going to lose more balls
than I start, Right?

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Sure.
And the 4th quadrant then is the

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things that we don't love doing
and the things we aren't

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necessarily good at, which is
our chores, you know, laundry

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doing, paying the bills.
I'm not great at that stuff.

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I just do it because it has to
be done.

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Right, it's a part of life.
Problem is that most people

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spend most of their time in
quadrants where their jobs are

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and where the floors are.
So it think left and right.

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So it'd be like the right side
of this block.

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Sure.
Those are the things we have to

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do, OK.
The left side of the block are

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the things that we are
passionate about, the things

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that we are good at and we love
doing.

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Those are the things that light
us up, make us excited, and we

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all have those things in our
life, right?

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Right.
All these different areas, when

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we're doing them in our life,
whether it be fishing or hunting

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or on the motorcycle or whatever
it be that we just feel alive.

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The problem is that more people
are spending time on the other

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side of the quadrant than on the
things that really light them

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up.
Now, the most successful people

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in life spend more time in their
passions than they do with their

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jobs and their chores.
These people are successful

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because they're spending more
time with their passions instead

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of spending more time with their
passions because they're

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successful, in other words.
They're not looking at it as

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work, right?
Right, right.

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So if whatever it is that lights
you up in your life, let's say

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going for a motorcycle ride or a
more successful would spend more

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time on a motorcycle ride than
they would in their jobs and

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their chores.
Kind of like Neil Pert, because

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Neil Pert used to follow the
Rush rush the Rush tour bus

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around on his motorcycles.
Right, right.

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Exactly like.
As soon as the show is over,

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man, he's out.
He's gone, he's on his bike and

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he's he's tuned to the next
show.

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Yep, because that's what fires
you up.

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And if you can spend more time
in your life fired up and

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excited about life, when you get
to your chores, when you get to

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your job, you're still fired up
about life.

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You just carry it over.
And my wife always analogy like

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I'm down here working with
clients most all day long.

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I just got off 1 and when I'm
done, guys, I'm going to jump on

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another one.
Yeah, that's what fires me up.

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I love this stuff.
I love.

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And it's obvious.
You can see that in people you

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know.
You can hear it in your voice,

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you can see it in your eyes.
For those of you that are

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watching, when no one really
believes in what they're talking

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about, it conveys to the
listener as well, right?

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I can feel it.
The listener can feel it, right?

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Now, if everybody was going in
that direction, imagine what

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difference, what a different
world it would be, right?

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Just in our mindset and what we
thought was important.

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I agree with you in spades.
I think Chris was a good

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example.
I mean, he says I'm a real

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estate agent for my job, but
it's painfully obvious he loves

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doing.
Oh, absolutely.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get.
Not everybody has that.

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No.
In their life, right?

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They're like, oh fuck, I got to
go to work again, right?

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Here we go again another day.
I'm going to make my coffee.

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I'm going to drudge through this
day, get to 4:00, and then I get

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to do what I want for two hours,
right?

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Or three.
Hours.

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Right, that's most people's day.
And that's unfortunate.

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True.
And see what?

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See, this is one of the things
that Mike and I were poking at.

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MM was talking about doing this
podcast.

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So we went back and forth.
I don't know for how long,

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right?
Not too long because it's when

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he asked.
I'm like, hell yeah.

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It was a few months.
Yeah.

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But so this is something that he
and I both look forward to now

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because we've done it.
This is I think 100.

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It's like 105 or 105, something
like that, yeah.

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So, but it's, it's legit like we
just started doing it where it

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was just once a week and then we
like evolved because the

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schedule changed like, well,
hell, let's just do 2 a week.

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And then like today, because,
because the, the, the desire to

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be on people shows I, we have
three people today.

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So we're recording 3 episodes,
which we've never done before.

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So it's, it's kind of fun
because we're going to learn.

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We're going to learn from three
different people from different,

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all different walks of life.
And that's the beautiful thing

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about this, like.
So here's how I look it not to

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interrupt.
You.

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No, you're foot.
You're good.

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This is a great segue into this
day for me.

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Used to be not non productive,
but it was just different,

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right?
So now today, instead of

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watching documentaries or
playing my guitar, you know, I

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still did productive things.
I get to talk to somebody that

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I've known since 1993 for
whatever, you know, a lifelong

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friend.
And like he said, I'm learning

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from you now.
I would have never known what

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you did, that you had this
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I'd like to hear that there's
positive human beings doing

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positive things still, right?
Because all we hear is negative,

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negative, negative all day long.
It's just pushed on us through

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the media for whatever stupid
reason.

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But I want to be the antithesis
of that in that it's not always

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going to be a positive message,
but we're going to find a way to

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get there eventually, right?
Yes, Yep.

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Absolutely.
It's oh, go ahead, Mike, sorry.

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No, you're fine.
I just, no, that's what I hear

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out of your organization is, you
know, you're teaching people to

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think.
Like I finally learned to think.

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Chris learned to think that way
before I did.

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But we all got there in a
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But it it's great that you have
a way for people that don't have

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that Ave. to travel.
OK, here I can change my life,

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right?
I can think in a positive

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direction too.
I think that's awesome, man.

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So what's, what's the name of?
OK.

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So how do people find your
company that's centered around

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what we're talking about the?
Easiest way is to just go to the

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website it's project, find
yourfire.com and from there you

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will have links to all of our
social media of my personal

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Facebook and our business
Facebook and all the Youtubes

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and different.
Links.

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So do we have a chat?
Going with him, Chris.

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I we don't have a chat going
with, I mean, no, I mean him and

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I on Facebook.
Yeah, we have a conversation

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going.
OK, if you can send Chris the

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links, I'll post them when we
post them.

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Absolutely, absolutely.
So I want I want to stay on on

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this part of your life before we
before we transition to the

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stuff other stuff we talked
about South project finds your

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fire is it is it's it's
obviously a coaching platform,

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right?
And then you do stuff.

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If somebody's within your, your
where do you live?

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Wisconsin.
Wisconsin.

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Are you just north of me?
I'm down here in Illinois.

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Yeah, so we got Illinois,
Wisconsin in the the dry, boring

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desert of Arizona.
That's cool.

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You got to love.
You got to love technology with

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that.
Are you a Packers fan then?

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Oh God no.
I like this guy even more.

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It was just God.
No man, I like him even more.

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Did I see tell you I'm not a
Bears fan either?

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I grew up in Nebraska.
Oh, so you're Nebraska

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Cornhuskers?
All we have is the Huskers like

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die hard.
I will kill for my husband.

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Oh yeah.
But just just just so you know,

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I'm not a Cardinals fan.
I'm a Giants fan.

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And there's a whole reason for
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But so I'm, I'm not a Cardinals
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My my team is all the way on the
East Coast, you know, which

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poses a challenge, but what is
what is so?

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Who do you root root for as a
pro pro team?

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So my adopted pro team, ever
since I was a little little tyke

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was the Vikings.
It always that's my team and

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it's been hard.
Rd.

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Well, you know, you and you and
me alike, Giants, you know, I

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mean, you haven't won any
championships in a while, but at

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least at least you put better
product on the field than the

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Giants have or the Bears have in
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The Bears kind of had a little
bit of fun last year and then

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they I'm with.
You, you're right there with

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you.
I agree with that statement.

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Yeah, OK, so project find
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find your business side of life.
So if anybody's in Wisconsin and

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they want they want to find
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face or is 1 on ones.
So my clients who are local,

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they do have the option of
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office, OK, a majority of my
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the world.
Weakness.

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And and it works out really well
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Yeah, so with your with when you
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like say, I decided after this
episode, holy shit, Kelly's

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amazing.
I want to find my fire.

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I don't have fire.
I'm you know what?

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What does that look like?
Give us an idea what that looks

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like.
So people listening and watching

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us on YouTube right now can get
a feel for that and then, you

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know, see if it works in their
in their life.

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Sure.
So what I would do is guide you

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to the web page in the coaching
section and there is a place to,

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you know, ask about more
coaching and so you can fill out

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a very short questionnaire which
would give me just an idea of

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who I'm talking to.
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What's bothering you?
What do you want?

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What do you look for?
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up with a a one hour
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OK, no charge.
Absolutely.

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We just talk for an hour.
I love that.

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Me too.
You tell me about you and then

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we have to decide, you know, if
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If if I'm not a match for you.
That's fair.

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I get that.
Yeah.

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Not.
Every, every.

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Yeah, this is a very personal
thing, right?

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Absolutely.
But, and, and I've done and I've

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done coaching throughout my real
estate career and that's the

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first time I've ever heard
somebody say we're going to have

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a conversation for an hour just
to see if we're a fit.

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I used to do that with my guitar
students.

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Oh, yeah.
Your first lesson was always

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free for the same reason that
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you may not feel comfortable
with me for whatever reason, You

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know, like our energies may not
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That's interesting, I like that
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Not a great approach, right?
It's not because you're not a

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good teacher.
It's not because you're not a

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good student.
It's just because the energies

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just don't.
Yeah, align.

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And that's fair.
Yeah, my mom told me 100 years

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ago, not everybody's going to
get along.

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And what fun would it be if they
did right, Right?

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And I didn't.
Understand that for a long time,

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but it makes sense to me now.
And I kind of have that approach

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with real estate and doing it
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There's been people I've worked
with that we just personalities

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don't work, you know, so for
lack of better term, we fire

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each other because it just
doesn't, it just doesn't work

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right.
So it's not as, it's not, I

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don't like you as a human.
We just, you're not listening to

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me.
You're not following my

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guidance.
So therefore you're wasting my

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time and I'm wasting your time.
You need to find somebody else

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that you can relate to better.
It hasn't happened that often,

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you know, maybe 5 * 5 six times
in, in my entire career.

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But it does happen and it's OK.
It's OK to say no.

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It's OK to say we don't work
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So I, I love that approach.
Kelly, kudos to you for that.

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Thank you.
Thank you.

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After that conversation, what
would happen is that if we

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decide that this is going to
work and let's take a shot at

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it, there are a couple different
programs that you can go for

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like a six session or a twelve
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And then we'll just get set up
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every other week or so.
Sometimes people like to, you

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know, jump head on and I want to
do 3 sessions this week because

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I like, no, you don't.
Because when I work with you,

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different than talk therapy is
that I don't want to hear about

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your past.
We're not talking about your

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past.
We need to know it too.

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Yeah, we need to understand
where you came from.

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But it's all from this point
forward.

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Think of this point forward.
That's.

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Love that dude.
I love that.

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And so that's the work and I
will give you work, you will

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homework.
This isn't going to be tell me

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about your problems.
Tell me about your childhood.

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OK, I'll see you in a couple
weeks.

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No, I'm going to put you to
work.

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I see.
Yeah, I like the homework aspect

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because of the coach I had
recently that I'm no longer

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with.
There is no like we would have a

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conversation, right?
We would talk about, OK, here's

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here's a checklist, here's these
three things you need to do.

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So I would do those three things
was really good at doing

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everything, anything and
everything he asked, right.

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But then the following week
phone call, there was no follow

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up to those tasks.
There was no, there was no

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accountability, which I always
thought, well, you know, like

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just because I said I did it,
you're not verifying I did it.

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I mean, you can see some of the
stuff on social media, but there

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was no real accountability to
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And then stepping back and
looking at it, the whole reason

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I hired this guy is because I
wanted to go from 10 million in

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production to 20 million
production a year, which has

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always been my hurdle getting,
you know, closing that gap,

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which after three years, I'm
like, OK, didn't do it, you

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know, breaking ties.
I'm like, you know, and now that

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I look back at it, I learned a
lot.

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I did gain business from the
coaching and my, some of my

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approaches have changed.
Like I've consistently dropped

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reels on YouTube for 210 days,
which is unheard of.

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Like there's.
You know.

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There's people have a problem
dropping one reel right when

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Mike and I started this show,
when Mike and I started this

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show.
For those of you who are just

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listening, I just threw myself
under the bus.

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Chris has done amazing, if not
only his business side of it,

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but the podcast side of it too.
Our podcast page has grown leaps

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and bounds since March just
because of this consistency.

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Sorry to interrupt.
You no, but that's but I was

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going to prove this.
Point for sure.

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Right.
But I was going there because

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when I, Nick and I were talking
about this the other day.

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So I've been in real estate,
like I said, 25 years.

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So I've had a web, a YouTube
page probably since 2004 or

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five.
So to put in comparison, I just

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really started like hyper
focused on the Chris and Mike

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show page probably in November,
December, right, even though we

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were you.
Really turned it up in March.

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Though, right.
So just from that alone we're,

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we're I think we're almost near
or just past 80,000 views now to

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put it in comparison.
Yeah, 82 now, I believe closing

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on 83.
Yeah, we're it'll be 100 soon.

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So comparison my personal real
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page.
I'm only, I'm just under 500,000

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and I've been around for 20
years.

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So the difference in how you
approach things now, nobody back

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then knew what the hell YouTube
was about.

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Nobody understood SEO content,
nobody understood hashtags and

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keywords and none of that.
So taking everything I know now

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and applying it towards the
Chris and Mike show page, it's

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mind boggling the success and
the and the trajectory it's

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going and it's all organic, like
all of it.

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Yeah, we're not paying big money
for advertising.

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This is just him doing this on
his own, you know, using his

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brain and saying, OK, I'm just
going to be consistent and I'm

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going to do it at the same time
every day and blah, blah, blah.

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But consistency is the keyword
that we both keep using.

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So all that being said, when
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assuming you have a YouTube page
and, and, and all that kind of

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jazz.
OK.

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So we one of the things we do,
we like to go like each other's

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stuff and subscribe because then
it helps everybody grow

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organically.
So on your YouTube channel,

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because we're not looking at it
right now, do you have, do you

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have training videos?
Do you have kind of give us an

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idea what that's about?
And then I'm going to change our

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subject in about 10 minutes.
OK, first I want to go back to

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what you said before is that one
other thing that I give to my

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clients that very few people do
is that I, I hook them up with

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an app every Monday.
I check in with every one of my

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clients.
I'll send message.

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Now, I don't schedule clients on
Monday is my office day, my

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administrative day, but I take,
I check in with every one of my

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clients on Monday.
Here's your homework.

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How's your homework going?
Do you have any questions?

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Give me the highs, give me the
lows.

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What's going on in your life
right now?

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Check in with me.
Let me know what's happening

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every single Monday.
Does everybody respond to me?

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No, but they have 24/7 access to
me.

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That doesn't mean that I'm going
to answer your question at 3:00

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in the morning, right?
Right, right, right, right,

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right.
But at the same time, I'm not

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leaving you hanging.
I need you to know that I'm

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jumping off this bridge with
you.

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Yeah.
And so.

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That's awesome, man.
We're going to get through that

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now.
So, so there's, there's a whole,

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there's a total level of
accountability on a weekly

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basis.
Regardless, regardless if if

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I'm, if you're coaching me and
I'm not responding you still, I

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still see that you're you're
poking at me.

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I feel that you're saying.
He's in the back of your mind.

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Yes, I dude.
Absolutely, and it's not that

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hard.
It's not that hard, but it's,

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it's a missed concept, man,
because I've, I've done the

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Buffini Fairy, Joe Stump, just
all kinds of coaching real

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estate platforms in 25 years.
And I'm not bullshitting you,

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Kelly.
You're the first one that has

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ever said up front, number one,
it's an interview first and

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foremost.
And then it's all about now

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moving forward.
Your past is your past.

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Stop dwelling on that shit
because so many people do and #3

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I'm going to hold you
accountable.

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You're going to get work, you're
going to get homework.

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You're going to be that's.
I love that.

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Here's a quick example.
So when I was given lessons, I

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would give you your lesson for
the week and I would be very

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clear.
If you come back next week and

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you haven't done the work, we're
going to learn the same thing

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next week that we learned this
week.

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That was upfront too, right?
And you're going to pay me

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again?
Yep.

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I'm not going to be mad.
I'm not going to lose my temper.

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I'm not going to be disappointed
in you on any level.

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But this has got to be clear.
If you haven't done the work,

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we're going to do the same thing
next week.

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Because I already know how to
play, right?

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That's why I'm not disappointed.
That's why I don't care.

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You're not hurting me.
You're hurting you.

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Yeah, because you just lost
another $20.

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Right.
Yeah, yeah.

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You know, and going back to that
is one thing that what you guys

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don't see on camera is that on
that side of the camera I have

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an, my entire wall is whiteboard
and I have little notes to

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myself.
Spinning around.

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Spinning around, man.
Let us see it.

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Is it possible?
I guess, too.

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Is it possible to spin around?
Let's see.

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Oh, there's the books.
The wall.

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Oh, there you go.
That's awesome.

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For those of you.
Who are just listening.

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He's just that's proved his
point.

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He's got notes and different
colors all over the way.

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Right on.
And what is what's what's the

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project find your fire?
What's the statement behind you?

454
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:16,960
Because that's been that's been
poking at me this.

455
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,640
Entire time.
This is actually just a banner.

456
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,600
OK, yeah, I figured.
When I do public speaking or

457
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,200
something.
We want to know what the

458
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:25,320
statement.
We want to know what it says

459
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,520
though.
Be fearless in the pursuit of

460
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,120
what sets your soul.
Dude.

461
00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:30,520
I love that.
That is awesome be.

462
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,560
Fearless in the pursuit of what
sets your soul on fire.

463
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,560
Yep.
And then a little bit of what we

464
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,680
offer.
Games, public speaking, books,

465
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,840
workshops, coaching and personal
development.

466
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,080
And what kind of games do you
play, man?

467
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,480
And of course, what what
musician wouldn't have an office

468
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,400
without?
That's see, now that's the

469
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,360
perfect segue because this is
Kelly Mayer, is it right?

470
00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:55,920
We got to talk, Mayor.
Yeah, for sure.

471
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,080
I.
Don't know why I'm looking at

472
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,080
that saying Mayor Meyer, Kelly
Meyer project finds your fire.

473
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,600
He's with us today and he's got
some sleeve art going on.

474
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,240
Not only he's a coach and a your
father.

475
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,640
A4.
A father of four and a husband

476
00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:16,440
33 years, I think you said,
which is fantastic, actually.

477
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,760
Congratulations.
So let's let's segue into the

478
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,320
Rock'n'roll man.
Yes.

479
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,800
Let's go back into Wayback
Machine.

480
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,520
Yeah, Wayback.
Machine.

481
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,800
Wayback Machine, Yeah.
So Kelly's in high school.

482
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,400
He doesn't give a crap about
school and learning.

483
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,560
What year did you graduate?
For Because he wants to be a

484
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:37,760
rock star. 88 is when I.
Graduated 8989. 91 There you go.

485
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,080
So we're all within three years.
We're all within three years.

486
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,080
So where'd you go to high
school?

487
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,920
Just South of Lincoln, NE in
Beatrice.

488
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,640
OK, so terrible student could
care less because you had

489
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,120
aspiration to do something that
those aspirations were.

490
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,440
To be a rock.
Star, there you go.

491
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,480
And when did you?
I had a backup plan, OK.

492
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,560
Me too, I did too.
My backup plan was it was

493
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,680
Rockstar or I was going to be a
stuntman or a rodeo clown.

494
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,800
Nice, brilliant.
Because all of those are that's

495
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,880
like me.
I went when I went to school for

496
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,000
journalism.
I'm like, I'm going to be a

497
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,560
writer and I won, I won some
internship and realizable.

498
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,680
This sucks because you don't
make any money for busting your

499
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,320
ass for 20 hours writing an
article.

500
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,320
So that's so brilliant me.
Let's go from journalism, which

501
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,480
is hard to break into good.
Let's go to acting because

502
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,280
acting is a surefire way to make
a living.

503
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,800
So and then, you know, then that
transitioned into musics like,

504
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,240
OK, so pick the three most
difficult things in the world to

505
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,000
actually be successful at
because why not, right?

506
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,960
And so now I'm ending up selling
houses for a living and, and,

507
00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:40,280
you know, changing people's
lives.

508
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,360
So there's no, there's no anger
with that.

509
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,440
What what, what, what instrument
did you play?

510
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,360
What was your role in the band?
Guitar.

511
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,000
OK, cool.
Lead Rhythm.

512
00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:50,520
Lead.
OK, right on.

513
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,240
How many?
How many members in the band?

514
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:53,520
5.
Five.

515
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,280
OK, So what were the what were
the breakdown?

516
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,840
2 guitars, bass, drums.
Singers, bass, drums.

517
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:00,400
Cool.
And what kind of music?

518
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:06,640
Metal right on metal.
Well, it was hair band.

519
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,960
It was.
Oh, man.

520
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,120
So it was like one of those
times when through the late

521
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:17,400
80's, the greatest generation of
music.

522
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,160
Yeah.
And then what happened was

523
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:26,520
graduated in 88.
The band, because of our age and

524
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,160
whatever, just sort of late to
the party.

525
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,520
OK.
Did not get into the grunge

526
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,520
thing, could not do it.
So we stayed metal thing, you

527
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,560
know, denim and leather and you
know.

528
00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:40,600
George Judas Priest All out.
Judas Priest.

529
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,240
Motörhead.
Yeah.

530
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,240
Saxon.
Saxon for sure.

531
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,520
They wrote the song Denim and
Leather, right?

532
00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:54,400
And brought us all the time.
I think that, you know, we were

533
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,320
just wrong time, wrong place
left what we were doing.

534
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:05,160
But So what happened was I have
to I have to go back earlier

535
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,040
because this is a life story
too.

536
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:12,240
And this is changing point in my
life and I didn't realize it at

537
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,080
the time, but when I was about
14, I wasn't even in high school

538
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,440
yet and I started spending time
in a place that I probably

539
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,600
shouldn't have been, especially
considering that I was supposed

540
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,920
to be in school during the day.
But I loved playing pool, so

541
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,080
that's where I ended up spending
most of my days.

542
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,960
I was in a state strip club, but
you know, same line of thought.

543
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,440
Yeah, same point.
Hall for sure.

544
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:42,280
So there one day I went to first
period which was banned because

545
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,640
I was a band geek you know.
And right then I grabbed my pool

546
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,040
cue from my locker headed down
the street to the pool hall.

547
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,520
When I walked into the door
there was an old man getting off

548
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,480
of his bar stool at the very end
of the bar and he started

549
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,240
walking towards the front door
as I was walking towards back

550
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,840
towards the tables.
Never seen this guy before in my

551
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,000
life and when he got to me he
stopped dead in front of me and

552
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,000
he said this to me.
He said who are you?

553
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,000
I said why?
I'm Kelly.

554
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,520
I was just a little punk.
Right.

555
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,040
Hey, come on, man.
I'm Kelly.

556
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,200
You don't know me.
Come on, dude.

557
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,000
What's up?
Yeah.

558
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,440
And he looked at me for a long
time and then he said this to

559
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,480
me.
He said no you're not.

560
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:22,680
And this you figure that out,
the better off you'll be.

561
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,920
And he walked out the door and I
thought, now here I am just a

562
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,400
pimply faced little junior high
punk, right?

563
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,640
What a weirdo.
That's deep.

564
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,560
That is deep.
I just, I got chills when he

565
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,360
said that.
Man, that's powerful.

566
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,840
I didn't even realize it at the
time.

567
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,240
Well, how could you?
Shortly after my encounter with

568
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,120
the old man, I started going
through that weird teenage

569
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:49,600
phase, like the discovery phase,
who you are and stuff like that.

570
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,400
It was actually that crazy old
drunk man's words that came back

571
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,560
to my mind.
The sooner you figured out, the

572
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,320
better off you'll be.
And so I took a stand.

573
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,280
This is who I'm going to be.
This is what I'm going to

574
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,680
represent and this is what fit
into my life.

575
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:05,200
Cool.
Was it right?

576
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,960
No.
But at least I made a decision

577
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,040
and I watched my friends all,
you know, try to figure out who

578
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,360
they were.
It never fit the social norm.

579
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,360
It was always the hair.
It was always the earrings, the

580
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,080
the nose piercings with the
chains and the.

581
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:21,920
Oh, you had those two like
Snake.

582
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,640
From from.
Skid Row.

583
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,040
Skid Row.
Yeah, right on.

584
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,880
Even before the ink, you know, I
would draw all over my, I would

585
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,960
create my own tattoo sitting in
class because when I didn't want

586
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,360
to do that, it is just like, I
didn't even really care because

587
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:39,840
this is who I'm going to be and
this is what I represent.

588
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:45,000
And so I think that fed into
what I would ultimately become.

589
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,600
And actually at the age that I
am now, I'm going to be 56 in a

590
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,680
couple of months.
Congratulations.

591
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,200
I still hear that old man's
words.

592
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,960
Well, you obviously because you
brought it up.

593
00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:00,240
Yeah, it was so important to me
at that time and, you know,

594
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:05,080
throughout my life.
But then playing in the band,

595
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:11,680
not being in school and thing
how it turned out was that after

596
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:17,960
I graduated, I graduated I think
by default, I think they just

597
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,280
like just go away.
It's.

598
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,040
Too small of a town not to
graduate, you be.

599
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,480
Done, Yeah, go away.
Started playing with the bed and

600
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:32,480
was going really well and right
away ended up opening for Head

601
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,080
East on a couple of shows like
Never.

602
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,560
Been any reason?
Yeah, like that.

603
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,560
They're from Illinois.
Very 300 people kind of shows,

604
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,760
but at least it was headline or
opening for a big name act

605
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:53,880
started picking up some momentum
and in the process I did find

606
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,960
sort of an Ave. of escape is
that there was a college that

607
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,040
had an audio and recording
degree.

608
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,160
Oh nice learn.
To be like an audio engineer,

609
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,320
Sure.
So I did start doing that.

610
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,840
And why?
I did that through the College

611
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:08,440
of.
Yeah, I was.

612
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,520
I built my own studio twice, not
three Times Now.

613
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,080
Nice.
While I was doing that, then we

614
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,880
started.
We got picked up by management

615
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,000
and was, so we started opening
up for more.

616
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,920
Alice Cooper was one of them.
Nice.

617
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:31,120
Just sort of a local, regional,
you know, we were the local band

618
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:36,400
opening for in a local like sure
wing alley bar room type of

619
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,960
thing.
And I remember Alice giving sort

620
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,480
of this speech.
He came into our dressing room

621
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,360
is.
This when was Alice still

622
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:48,920
drinking?
Or was he sober by now?

623
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:56,680
He was sober, OK, but yeah.
OK, OK, I got it.

624
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,600
Alice.
Yeah, yeah, Alice lives in

625
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,320
Arizona.
I actually, I've, I've done my,

626
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:02,800
my, some of the past things I've
done.

627
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,240
I actually met his original
guitar player, Michael Bruce.

628
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:06,320
Oh yeah.
Cool.

629
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,840
And, and actually had, you know,
probably four or five really

630
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,440
deep conversations that we did.
Anything with him, right?

631
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,800
Yeah, yeah.
So super nice guy, just, you

632
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,320
know, so that's why I asked
about the the Alice, where he

633
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,720
was at when he came in.
So go ahead with your story,

634
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,360
your Alice Cooper story.
What was the name of the band?

635
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,640
You didn't say that.
Highlander.

636
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,040
Highlander.
OK.

637
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,480
Highlander.
Oh oh.

638
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,080
We didn't wear kills though.
I love the series so I'm

639
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,640
automatically a fan.
OK, so this is Kelly.

640
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,520
He's talking about his band
Highlander and and when they

641
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,600
were on tour with Alice Cooper,
Alice Cooper coming into the

642
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,080
dressing room or they open for
Alice Cooper.

643
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:43,560
Alice Cooper.
Yeah.

644
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,120
It was just like, what?
Single show?

645
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,840
And so he's like, yeah, you guys
seem really nervous.

646
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,760
Yeah, kinda.
And.

647
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:56,160
So he gave us like, it was like
this dad pep talk, like, yeah,

648
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,440
like the dad pep talk, like,
it's going to be OK.

649
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,560
And here's, you know, here's
sort of what to focus on and

650
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,200
it's going to be OK.
And you guys are going to do

651
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,120
great.
And so it was just one of those.

652
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,040
He was a really sort of nice
guy.

653
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,920
I didn't get to know him much
more than that.

654
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:18,680
But after that, as things
progressed, we ended up doing a

655
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:26,400
show in where were we in Omaha
again, at some ballroom and

656
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,440
there was an A&R Rep.
There just happened to be a

657
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,840
great show.
The crowd was into it.

658
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:33,880
Good.
Don't.

659
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,480
You love that when that happens.
Oh yeah.

660
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,880
Everything, everything's just on
point and you just come off.

661
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,240
Stage like, like the energy was
just right.

662
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,560
Yeah, that's the best how you'll
ever have in your life.

663
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,240
Absolutely.
Yep.

664
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,880
And then after the show he
talked to us a little bit and

665
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:56,000
said he would like to hear more
and invited us to record some

666
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,280
demo material and they would see
what they could do with it and

667
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,120
ended up with who.
Was he in ANR for?

668
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:04,600
A capital.
A capital.

669
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,800
And we ended up with a three
album spot.

670
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:15,680
We ended up doing two of those
who and between the 2nd and the

671
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:20,000
3rd, we had already had recorded
a bunch of stuff, but nothing

672
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,040
really grounded.
And that's when the accident

673
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,840
happened.
We ended up rolling the bus down

674
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,880
the Interstate.
And so Metallica, yeah, kind of

675
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,680
like Metallica, except, you
know, everybody survived.

676
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,680
Wow.
Then we, I and one other person

677
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,800
spent considerable time in the
hospital sort of trying to think

678
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:50,440
about life's choices.
That time it was, you know, we

679
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,240
had had a lot of fun.
We had opened for, you know,

680
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,240
poison and Skid Row and, you
know, a few other guys.

681
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,960
But we were like, I, when I tell
this story, I always tell people

682
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,240
don't get so excited because we
were like the opening band to

683
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,120
the opening band, like the
local, regional, Oh yeah, we're

684
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,520
familiar.
Yeah, I've been there, done

685
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,920
that.
We I mean, we our our shows we

686
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,800
played range from opening Tony
McAlpine, Marshall Tucker Band,

687
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,040
enough's enough Sacred Rike.
I mean, it's just we had we were

688
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,360
that type of music.
I explained to people we were

689
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,280
Creed before Creed was Creed
because that's how I wrote

690
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,800
lyrics.
I didn't write songs about

691
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,760
getting laid and and you know,
drinking and shit.

692
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,040
It was real life stuff.
Mike had his own style.

693
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,760
He you couldn't compare Mike to
anybody.

694
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,040
Mike created Mike sound but the
crazy.

695
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,040
Thing about us, man, is we could
get booked from every he just

696
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,719
the list he named you.
When you tell people that

697
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,360
they're like, Oh yeah, now I
know you're lying.

698
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:48,960
We opened up for the Marshall
Tucker Band right in front of

699
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,480
them and we opened up for Sacred
right right in front of them.

700
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:58,400
You couldn't get a more further
musical genres apart, right?

701
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,720
Right.
But sometimes he's right.

702
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:03,600
We slid into that because we
weren't so heavy that we

703
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,520
offended people that didn't like
that kind of music.

704
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,640
But we weren't bubble gum rock
either.

705
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,240
You.
Know yeah, we weren't I called

706
00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:15,120
it we weren't what did I call it
Tucson or Tempe candy ass pop

707
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,080
rock.
We weren't we were in that same

708
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:21,280
window of the gym blossoms and
and the refreshments and and the

709
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,320
dead hot workshop that local
Tempe Tempe Jingle jangle.

710
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:26,960
But we we weren't the Tempe
Jingle jangle sound.

711
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,000
We actually had substance behind
our music and we could play with

712
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,520
anyone like we just kind of
talked about it didn't matter

713
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,360
like we our our songs could
stand alone.

714
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,520
Even the one that starts the
show Freeman lyrically that's

715
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,720
still relevant today.
That's awesome.

716
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,280
It's insane.
Like a lot of our stuff that we

717
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,840
wrote initially is could still
be relevant and being played

718
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,280
today because of I don't want to
say I was ahead of my time, but

719
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,480
some of the social things I talk
about they didn't exist back

720
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,920
then and but they're still
relevant and and more

721
00:35:57,240 --> 00:36:00,320
significant in today's world
than it was back then or back

722
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:01,560
then.
I was just writing to write.

723
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,640
I always tell him, man, the
thing that attracted me to his

724
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,480
lyrics were that you, anybody
can take them and interpret them

725
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,880
how you want, right?
A lot of people might interpret

726
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,400
them the same way, but then you
put 10 people in a room, there's

727
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,720
going to be two people that
interpret it 180° from everybody

728
00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:21,280
else, and you're like, Oh yeah,
now I see that angle too, right?

729
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,120
Yep, Yep.
That's absolutely true.

730
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,680
And as a music professor, I used
to teach musicology.

731
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,120
And John Cage, there was a
composer in the 50s named John

732
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,560
Cage.
He was an experimentalist and

733
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:39,760
one of his quotes, and I love
the quote as he says that people

734
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,160
can go to a concert and leave
just as stupid as when they went

735
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,960
in.
That's great.

736
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:54,600
So yeah, the the varying in
styles it you know, I talked

737
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,280
about the metal band and the
hair stuff, but on the side I

738
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,760
actually had a gig for playing
with Johnny Cash and Marie

739
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:07,400
Osmond as a contract musician.
Cool part of their band band

740
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,640
that would always hire these
contract musicians.

741
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,680
So I did a couple of shows with
each of them.

742
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:17,040
Very my style but it worked out
so.

743
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,200
That's awesome though.
But that's.

744
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,880
That's very cool.
Definitely 2 American icons for

745
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,680
sure.
Oh yeah, yeah.

746
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,680
So you said that between the 2nd
and the third album you had this

747
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,360
accident, right?
So did the third album ever come

748
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,720
out?
What they did is they ended up

749
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,960
putting bits and pieces of stuff
we had already courted recorded

750
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,400
into the third album so that we
could satisfy the contract OK,

751
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:49,560
but it really was trash.
So was the band done before that

752
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,880
album came out?
Because that's what happens a

753
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:52,800
lot.
Yeah, yeah.

754
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,920
So what happened was I made the
decision while I was still into

755
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,640
the hot in the hospital to just,
oh, she got hurt.

756
00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:04,640
Yeah, yeah.
So I googled Highlander the

757
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,400
band.
Dude, there's a there's a a

758
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:13,120
Highlander Celtic rock band.
Celtic music.

759
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:16,080
That's not us.
There's the Highlanders, then

760
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,800
there's Highlander Music, and
there's HP Highlander Band.

761
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,640
There's Highlander.
Are these albums still

762
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,760
available?
That's why I was doing this.

763
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,520
I mean, I'm sure they're out of
print, but they would belong to

764
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,760
Capitol Records still.
You know, I don't know.

765
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,600
What so type in Highlander
Capitol records?

766
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,320
Crazy you got to get specific
with the.

767
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,960
Yeah, 'cause I was thinking
maybe still on on podcast or not

768
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,640
podcast on Spotify or you know,
Apple Music.

769
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,560
If they have no idea.
Yeah, there would have to be

770
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,840
some representative.
That's why we're not on there,

771
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,320
because you or I would be a
representative of that music.

772
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,440
Yeah, it just, it just comes up
Highlander Capital Management,

773
00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:00,000
LLC.
Yeah, he falls into the same

774
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,040
category as us when people say
hey how can I find your stuff

775
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,040
while we were pre Internet,
right?

776
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:06,040
Yeah, right.
Yeah.

777
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,920
Our band and our music lives
were definitely Chris used to

778
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,800
record us on what was it, a
middle camcorder.

779
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,320
Yeah, like a JVC handheld
camcorder.

780
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,080
And that was the highest
technology you could have at the

781
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,600
time.
Man, we were all like, holy

782
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,000
shit, you got a camcorder?
Yeah, layaway.

783
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,520
Layaway from Service
Merchandise.

784
00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:29,520
Beautiful thing, man.
Like a little Fostex 4 track.

785
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:30,640
That's what I had.
I was.

786
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:33,480
Like yeah.
And then I went to an 8 track

787
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,720
quarter inch reel to reel.
It was a Tascam that was high

788
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,080
tech man.
I had a 12 channel board in that

789
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,600
eight track.
Chris did a spoken word on

790
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,880
there.
And then we actually recorded

791
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,520
the song you're listening to in
the beginning.

792
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:52,080
That was recorded partly in my
apartment and partly it.

793
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,480
Was in the bathroom.
Yeah.

794
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,920
You know, but you know, the the
one benefit of singing in a

795
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,160
bathroom is you have a mirror.
So you can, if you, if you know

796
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,360
what you're doing as a singer,
you can actually, you just focus

797
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,360
on, on your mouth as you're
singing in the mirror.

798
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,840
And because there's little hands
and tips that people don't like

799
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,680
with the to sustain an E, you
push the bottom, you push your

800
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,040
tongue down to the bottom of
your, your bottom teeth and you

801
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,680
hold, you press it there while
you're holding the note out.

802
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,600
Well, when you're standing in
front of a mirror, because I

803
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,120
learned this in vocal when I was
in college, I did vocal voice

804
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,600
addiction because I was theater
major after journalism.

805
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,640
Part of it was was we had to
hold a mirror in front of our

806
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,640
face in the class when we're,
when we're doing certain

807
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,720
exercises.
So it's actually a benefit to be

808
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:35,640
standing in front of mirror when
you're singing because then you

809
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,960
can, you can remember those
little tiny nuances from a

810
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,680
singer standpoint that make sure
you don't go sharp or flat.

811
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,920
You just subtle little things
you do with your mouth and your

812
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,480
lips and your tongue and this,
you know, you know, So it was

813
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:47,880
fun.
Plus I'm not in there by myself.

814
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,920
I'm singing to my my reflection
and the downside of singing.

815
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,760
In a bathroom is during mix
down.

816
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,800
You can't say, hey, can you take
a little of that reverb out

817
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,640
right?
I always had AI always had a

818
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,320
little bit of a little bit of a
reverb on my voice because I

819
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,320
like that subtle, the subtle, I
don't know, I don't know how to

820
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,080
explain it.
Just he is so easy, Kelly,

821
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,960
because he has.
A natural Southern drawl.

822
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,880
He doesn't talk that way, but he
sings like he's in Molly

823
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:21,400
Hatchet, right?
So it's easy to put a very light

824
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,960
delay just to carry out the end
of every note into the next

825
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,680
measure, right?
I I never needed to.

826
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:33,120
Like I would put a slight delay
if there were things that had a

827
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,520
bunch of open spaces, right?
But I would time it to the beat

828
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,720
so that you would really never
even know there was a delay

829
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:41,080
there unless it was a wide open
space, right.

830
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,760
Yeah, right.
He just has a naturally good

831
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,360
sounding voice.
Yep.

832
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,160
I love putting a little bit of
that.

833
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,880
On my guitars too, is that you
don't notice that it's a delay

834
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,400
there.
It just thickens it up.

835
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,360
But it's if you take it out,
people go something's different.

836
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,520
Yeah, it makes it a bigger sound
like you want to fill.

837
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,720
The space and I was just filling
space.

838
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,200
I was just fascinated that you.
Know as a musician, we

839
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,600
understand that music is
mathematics right I never

840
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,840
thought after I became a
recording engineer and a live

841
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:15,400
sound engineer that you have to
subdivide those effects into

842
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,440
that same time signature right
so now you have to time your.

843
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,560
Delays and.
Your reverbs to the actual beat

844
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,240
of the song and they have to
change as the song changes.

845
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,960
You know that guy back there
running sound is not just

846
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,480
finding a happy medium and then
standing there and watching the

847
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:32,760
show the rest of the night,
right?

848
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,720
He's probably working harder
than anybody else in that room.

849
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,680
Absolutely, because.
Yeah, and see I can.

850
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,960
Contest to that a little bit,
'cause when I was doing the

851
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,720
theater major, I did all the
facets.

852
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:45,360
So I ran lights, I did the
sound, I learned all those

853
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,120
different things.
It's a lot of work, man.

854
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:49,120
Yeah, it is a lot of work.
You're not just sitting there

855
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,640
watching what's going on on
stage.

856
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,400
You're and you have the cues and
you have these checklists and

857
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:54,920
these note cards.
I got to do the lights here and

858
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,720
that and the music sounds
effect, blah, blah, blah, blah.

859
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,200
So yeah, people think running
sound and stuff.

860
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,640
Oh, that's a great gig.
You're just sitting there

861
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,120
watching the show.
Well, not really.

862
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,840
You are, but not really.
So while we're talking about

863
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,720
this, I got to know.
What?

864
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:09,600
What was your rig?
What guitars did you play?

865
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,240
What amps did you prefer?
So my go.

866
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:19,720
To amp setup was as a PVV TM120
and I ran through vintage and

867
00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:23,800
pig cabs. 4 twelves OK, Very
popular during that time.

868
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:29,040
That was, that was my.
Setup I ran dry mostly.

869
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,800
I had a delay pedal and a
compressor and that was really

870
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,400
it.
And for people listening, a

871
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,840
delay just.
Makes the sound ring out and a

872
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,080
compressor keeps it from feeding
back.

873
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:45,160
You're just basically pinching
the sound to make it fuller,

874
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,320
more bottom end, right?
Yeah, I did.

875
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:49,880
I did the same thing.
Nice and.

876
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,760
Tight.
You want that speaker to just be

877
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,640
blowing air forward all the
time?

878
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:59,720
Absolutely I have.
That was side A and then my side

879
00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:03,680
B was APV renown.
That was my first amp that I

880
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:04,960
ever got A.
Compliment on.

881
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,760
I took the.
I took the the 212 speakers out

882
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:14,040
of it and also ran it through.
Those were black widows, right?

883
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:15,880
Yeah.
They were I.

884
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:21,160
Ran that back through the ampegs
also, but that was my acoustic

885
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,680
setup.
So on my electric side I had the

886
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,960
VTM and my acoustics that I had
the renown.

887
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,120
So here's one thing that I
noticed.

888
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:33,280
PV has some of the most and
that's the reason it's used in

889
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,400
country music a lot.
For people that don't know that

890
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,880
PV is super popular in country
music because they're clean.

891
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:47,040
Sound is probably only second to
Vox or no Roland, yeah.

892
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,200
James Hetfield has one of the
most beautiful.

893
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,240
Clean sounds.
And Kirk Hammett has one of the

894
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:57,240
worst how he can listen to
James's all the fucking time and

895
00:44:57,240 --> 00:45:00,320
then think that what his the
shit that's coming out of his

896
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,000
when they're playing clean is a
good guitar tone.

897
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,400
I don't get it.
His ears don't work right, but

898
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,840
the PV renown had a beautiful
clean sound.

899
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,400
Marshalls the same way.
They're clean.

900
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,640
Sound sucks.
Yeah, you have to.

901
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,000
Doctor it, I used to use a.
Quadraverb GT because I met

902
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:22,760
Chris at a candle box concert
and I loved Peter Klutz clean

903
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,080
sound.
I've sent him messages on

904
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,000
Facebook giving him compliments
on that.

905
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,200
I was like, I totally stole your
clean sound just because you

906
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,320
know you listen to Far Behind
and You Beautiful.

907
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,640
Beautiful clean.
Guitar.

908
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,960
I was like, I got to know where.
That's a great sound.

909
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:39,680
Fantastic.
Man.

910
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,160
It's the Quadraver GT.
So I put that in my rack and I

911
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,160
bypassed the, you know, just
stuck it in the effects loop on

912
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,760
the Marshall and just bypassed
that clean channel and use that.

913
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,640
Yeah.
Oh yeah, for sure.

914
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,480
So for my guitars I I prefer my
Jackson.

915
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:07,920
I've got a a dinky Rev the USA
mid 90s dinky red so we prefer

916
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,920
the same company my.
Baby is a Charvel STX custom.

917
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:17,280
Yeah, my Charvel that I really.
Love, Actually my Jackson got

918
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,600
stolen.
Oh, that's right.

919
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:20,360
I remember that.
Yeah.

920
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,960
You were there, yeah.
My Jackson.

921
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,120
Got stolen too.
Oh my God, maybe it's the same.

922
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:30,960
Guy when I started teaching
College in.

923
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:36,800
HOCKINGVILLE, Kansas I had all
my guitars in my office, came in

924
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,880
one Monday and one of them was
gone.

925
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,360
Like I knew instantly, like all
the cases were lined up, 12 of

926
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,880
them.
All the cases were lined up.

927
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,760
I unlocked the door, turned the
lights on.

928
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,840
I'm like something is different,
something is wrong.

929
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,720
And I started looking around the
office like what the heck is

930
00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:55,880
going on?
And I noticed my Jackson was

931
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,440
gone.
Well, here's what happened to

932
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,520
me, man, I.
Was working at a pre press

933
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,200
house.
I was a scanner operator.

934
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,520
That was my backup plan.
I was I went to school for

935
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,240
graphic arts and it was pouring
down rain that day and I had a

936
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:11,560
gig right after I left work.
So I had my guitar and all my

937
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,160
effects in the back.
And the guy that was working

938
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,160
maintenance at the place came
running in and he said, hey,

939
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,600
man, somebody busted your window
out.

940
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,760
And I can't believe it.
Your wallet's still there

941
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,720
because my I had left my wallet.
In the car.

942
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:27,720
And dude, I didn't even have to
think about it.

943
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:29,480
In 1/10 of a second it hit my
brain.

944
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,480
I'm like, I said it out loud, my
wallet's still there because my

945
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,520
guitar and all my fucking
effects are gone.

946
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:39,360
And sure shit.
So.

947
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,120
That's how I ended up with this.
STX Custom.

948
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,000
It's crazy how the universe
gives you what you need

949
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,480
sometimes.
This thing has been with me for

950
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,680
what, 35 years now?
32 years I would never get rid

951
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:57,120
of it because that thing can do
I can get sounds out of I can't

952
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,000
get out of another instrument
every other guitar just.

953
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,520
It's good, but it's not that one
right.

954
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,040
I'm sure you've experienced it
the same thing being a player

955
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,560
for this many years.
Yeah, I ended up getting my.

956
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:13,400
Jackson back actually, because I
called the police the my Dean at

957
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:18,040
the college and you know, they
sort of put together this quasi

958
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:21,600
task force, poor thing.
Well, I started.

959
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,040
Watching Craigslist?
Oh yeah, Craigslist was.

960
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,840
Huge back then, right?
A guitar came up for sale on

961
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:28,600
Craigslist.
I'm.

962
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,200
Like I recognize that guitar.
I know that guitar.

963
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,200
In fact, I had a a case.
That I put all of my pics in

964
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,400
inside the the guitar case and
it was still there.

965
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,440
Like everything was there.
So I called the Police

966
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,960
Department.
I'm like, I have my guitar and

967
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,160
they said OK, I want you to go
buy it, we're going to come with

968
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,160
you.
So I ended up getting my.

969
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,000
Guitar.
Back and the guy goes to jail.

970
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,000
Did you wear Did you wear a
wire?

971
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,000
No, I didn't have to wear that
would have.

972
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:58,760
Been cool dude.
No, he took the.

973
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,480
Cops with him.
He was gangster.

974
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,920
I was I was going to meet him in
a parking.

975
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,280
Lot of some store at the public
parking, Yeah, and so the cops

976
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:08,240
said to.
Me, the detective.

977
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:10,600
Said to me.
Excuse me?

978
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,880
Yep, we're going to watch from
over here, OK, He said.

979
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,520
As soon as you pick up the case
and walk away, that tells us

980
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,320
that that's your guitar.
Right on, man.

981
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,080
Then we'll come.
In swarmed.

982
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:22,560
Yeah.
They did.

983
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:27,600
There was like, was he all?
Was he all like hyped out,

984
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,680
strung out on drugs, one of
those type of thefts?

985
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,080
He was actually.
One of the janitors at the

986
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,880
college, Yeah.
Ouch.

987
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:43,440
So of all the guitars?
I knew then that he had already

988
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,000
gone through all of my all of my
girls.

989
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,040
Yeah.
And that was the one that he

990
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,800
wanted.
OK, how many guitars did you

991
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,320
have?
12 OK wow when I.

992
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:54,880
Was about how many I.
Had at my height.

993
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,680
Wow, I'm down to 4 now.
See, I had one.

994
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,960
Microphone 1 mic stand.
And I was good.

995
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:03,160
Now you know I had this.
Little I.

996
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,320
Had like forget what I forget
what it was.

997
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,280
I had some little you had APA
system, I know.

998
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,520
I but that was more for.
Band purpose, but I had that one

999
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:12,760
effects thing I had remember
that.

1000
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,320
I don't remember what the hell
it was, but it would it would

1001
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,200
where I would you, you would
fuck with it.

1002
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,600
So the the the delay and reverb
and stuff we played.

1003
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,720
Oh yeah, he had.
I forget what it was, I'll think

1004
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:25,680
about it while we're finishing,
but you told me to buy it, so I

1005
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,440
went and found.
It and he had the most bad ass

1006
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,800
delay.
Reverb at the time, and I can't

1007
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,480
remember who made it, it was so
simple.

1008
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,720
All it was was a reverb and a
delay.

1009
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:38,240
It had like 2 buttons.
But this thing sounded

1010
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:42,000
fantastic, man Yeah.
What 2 guitars do you have that

1011
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,360
you just showed us when you were
painting your camera around the

1012
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:45,960
room?
Oh, this is my Jackson and my.

1013
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,640
Is the Jackson the one that you
bought?

1014
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,000
That you had to go.
That's awesome that you still

1015
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,440
have it.
Yep, I also.

1016
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:58,120
Have a.
I've got a couple Gibson's my

1017
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:59,960
acoustic line.
I love Alvarez.

1018
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:02,560
So I've got a couple 6 strings
and a 12 string.

1019
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:08,360
I've got a couple Gibson's, but
one of my Gibson's is the oh

1020
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:16,360
shoot, what did they call it?
It had it has a my gosh, I was

1021
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:21,360
just it's got a, a Les Paul body
with a flying V headstock and

1022
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,480
they made them between 74 and
70.

1023
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,240
A Marauder.
Yes, I was trying to think of

1024
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:28,840
what they called.
Those things, yeah, Paul Stanley

1025
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:33,280
used to play one every.
Once in a while I got 1 and I

1026
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,960
got that one from a buddy in
high school.

1027
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:40,880
His brother had it and he said,
you know, my, my older brother's

1028
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,920
off to college.
His guitar's in the closet.

1029
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,000
You want to buy it?
I said, of course I want to buy

1030
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,480
it.
He said 100 bucks, it's yours.

1031
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,160
So I bought 100 bucks.
That's a smoking deal.

1032
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,440
And then I got.
The crazy idea of Mr.

1033
00:51:54,440 --> 00:52:00,160
Modification is that instead of
the the humbucker single coil

1034
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,160
and it it was the like the wax
covered pickups or paraffin

1035
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:05,480
covered or whatever they
covered.

1036
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,000
Those were awesome.
Yeah, they were paraffin

1037
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,840
covered.
This is such a guitar geek part.

1038
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:14,040
Of the show I waited 100.
And six episodes to talk.

1039
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,560
To another guitar player, I know
he Mike's been on me for so.

1040
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,640
Long to get a musician.
I've been trying and then here

1041
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,120
you are, Kelly.
We didn't even know you're a

1042
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,920
musician, so you're just feeding
his fire, which is fantastic.

1043
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,200
That's what we So please
continue.

1044
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,320
Because it's all going right.
Over my head, man.

1045
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,480
But Mr. Mr. Modification.
I thought I had the great idea

1046
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,440
of throwing in a couple of
humbuckers, You know, I don't

1047
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:41,880
remember if they were probably.
Friends for us ignorant folks.

1048
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,080
What's a humbucker?
So 2.

1049
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:47,160
Pickup.
Were there two sides?

1050
00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:49,080
Oh pickups?
As soon as the pickup, I knew

1051
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,000
what it.
Was yes, so instead of having

1052
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,120
one they're.
Wired together.

1053
00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:55,240
OK, I just didn't realize that
was the technical term was a.

1054
00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:57,120
Humbucker because that'd be a
great name for a band.

1055
00:52:57,240 --> 00:52:59,360
So when they here's a here's a
quick.

1056
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,520
History on guitars.
When they invented the guitar,

1057
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,320
there was only the single coil.
And when you plugged it into the

1058
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,640
amplifier, there was a inherent
hum in the amp that would never

1059
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,600
go away.
So as music got louder, the hum

1060
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,600
got louder.
And it's annoying, right?

1061
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,440
Every time you stop playing,
it's.

1062
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,800
Yeah, yeah.
Well, somebody just one day

1063
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,880
said, I wonder if I stick these
two together and I put extra

1064
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,880
windings on them, if that won't
make the hum go away because now

1065
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,600
the polarity is being reversed,
right?

1066
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,240
You have positive, negative push
and get more away from each

1067
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:34,600
other.
And they plugged it in, and

1068
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:36,240
that's why they call it a
humbucker.

1069
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:38,600
There's no more hum.
Is that where Neil perk up the

1070
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:39,320
line?
Everybody got the.

1071
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:43,760
Deviate from the norm, yeah.
Reverse polarities, yes, OK.

1072
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:47,920
I got a great.
I I got a.

1073
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,920
Great famous guitar player story
for you.

1074
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,840
So I'm working at Guitar Center
in Phoenix.

1075
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:56,680
Shout out to 152.
And this guy comes.

1076
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,120
In wearing a Hawaiian.
Shirt and a pair of shorts.

1077
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:00,480
You know, it's the middle of the
summer.

1078
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,080
Just like like he looked like
somebody's dad walking in off

1079
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,160
the street, right?
The only thing that made.

1080
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:07,440
Him look a little different is
he had.

1081
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,800
Shoulder length hair.
And he was probably, I don't

1082
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,760
know, 50 some at the time.
He's looking at, you know,

1083
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,480
Guitar Center puts all their
most expensive guitars at the

1084
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,720
top where nobody can reach him.
Obviously he kept looking up and

1085
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,440
nobody was helping him.
So I walked up and I said, hey,

1086
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,400
you need some help?
He says where you guys keep your

1087
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,120
special guitars.
And he had a thick English

1088
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,480
accent.
I said, well, that's as special.

1089
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:34,440
As they get.
Right there.

1090
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,520
And he said no, no, no, you
misunderstand.

1091
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,600
Where do you keep your special
guitars?

1092
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,600
I was like, oh, I had only been
working there for maybe six

1093
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,960
months, 8 months.
I really still didn't understand

1094
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,120
what he meant, you know?
So I went and asked my manager

1095
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:52,560
and he said, Oh yeah, he's
looking for like custom shop

1096
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,960
stuff that we would keep, maybe
even not here.

1097
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,200
But he says ask him what he's
specifically looking for.

1098
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,760
So he was specifically looking
for Gibson's and Fenders.

1099
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,320
So we take him in a private room
and we had to get some stuff

1100
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,880
from Scottsdale and Tempe.
So there's like 20 to 25 minute

1101
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,880
drive back and forth on a good
day.

1102
00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:18,280
So I'm talking to him and he
starts talking about his friends

1103
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:23,400
over in England, specifically
Jimmy and David and Robert.

1104
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,200
And I'm like.
You can't be meaning Paige.

1105
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,920
Plant and Gilmore, he's like, Oh
yeah, yeah, they're my mates,

1106
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,400
you know, my, my mates sleep,
get a guitar.

1107
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:35,960
Go to get back home.
Yeah.

1108
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,480
Play with the boys in the band.
What do you got for me, Mike?

1109
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,840
What do you got?
So we find him this.

1110
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,360
Tom Murphy, you know.
Do you know who Tom Murphy is?

1111
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:45,920
He's a master builder for
Gibson.

1112
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:53,880
Beautiful.
This guitar was $12,500 and 2003

1113
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,400
so you can imagine what it would
cost now, he starts.

1114
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,800
Playing this thing, Kelly I.
Can't tell you how much that day

1115
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:07,640
showed me what a 3000 guitar
$3000 guitar sounds like and a

1116
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:12,960
$12,000 guitar sounds like.
So much so that he tried

1117
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:18,200
different cables and because he
was the one playing it, you

1118
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:19,520
could.
Totally hear.

1119
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,920
You know all the nuances that he
was looking for.

1120
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,320
Come to find out, this guy's
name was Ted Turner.

1121
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,240
He played in a band called
Wishbone Ash, and he's rated by

1122
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:34,000
Rolling Stone magazine as not
only the inventor, him and his

1123
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:38,200
buddy of the twin guitar attack
that Judas Priest used, that

1124
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,040
Iron Maiden used, that Def
Leppard used, that everybody

1125
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:45,160
adopted, your band adopted.
He is credited with being the

1126
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:49,520
originator of that particular.
Here's how Rock'n'roll is going

1127
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,000
to be presented to the world.
That is cool I.

1128
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,960
Knew who he was because I worked
with a.

1129
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,320
Guy in the graphic arts industry
named Daryl Haldane.

1130
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,680
He was from South Africa and he
worshipped Wishbone Ass.

1131
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:06,240
So he had already introduced
that band to me years before and

1132
00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:08,520
he, the guy told me he's like,
you probably don't know who we

1133
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:12,960
are because we were significant
about the time you were born,

1134
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:17,080
you know, I said, oh, I know who
you are and that.

1135
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:18,760
Fascinated him so he's that was
my street.

1136
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,040
Tread right there.
Oh yeah.

1137
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,280
That's awesome.
So.

1138
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:25,920
We got about 15 minutes left
here.

1139
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,120
What's what's like?
Because Mike and I like, we like

1140
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:32,200
to deep dive in things.
So.

1141
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,040
So you're married, 4 kids.
How old are the kids?

1142
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:40,320
My oldest is 29 and.
Then 2521 and 18.

1143
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,280
My baby just graduated high
school.

1144
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,640
OK, all boys, girls mix.
My oldest 2 are boys, my

1145
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,080
youngest. 2 Are girls OK?
Yeah, so my daughter's.

1146
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,240
That was born in 96.
My son was born in 2001.

1147
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,120
My son's a Marine.
My daughter's giving us our 2

1148
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,280
little grandchildren, school,
school, being a nurse and stuff.

1149
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,760
Is everybody still kind of
staying in the Wisconsin area

1150
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,280
where you live or they venturing
out Like we've had some guests

1151
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,440
that the kids are like all over
different parts of the world.

1152
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:08,720
No, I've got.
My oldest is in.

1153
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,840
Pittsburgh.
And are they?

1154
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:12,880
Are they excited about the Aaron
Rodgers pick up?

1155
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,480
He's not much of A.
Football fan so he he could care

1156
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,920
less.
Gotcha, Gotcha 4.

1157
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,680
Steelers, Aaron.
Rodgers just needs to go away.

1158
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:23,880
Fine, right?
Thank you.

1159
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,920
Just just call it a day.
Man, I.

1160
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,160
That's like when Brett Favre did
that shit, Like just just call

1161
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:30,440
it a day.
Your last two years weren't

1162
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,960
productive like LeBron James.
Go away now, go away.

1163
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,160
You're destroying the NBA every
time you open up Facebook,

1164
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:38,840
Instagram.
I saw a real last night of the

1165
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:40,920
greatest actor in the NBA and it
was LeBron.

1166
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,720
All his like a 15 minute collage
basically of all the stupid shit

1167
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:48,120
he does, you know, one was was a
phantom punch.

1168
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,920
He was going around a basketball
player and then like nothing,

1169
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,280
nothing touched his body.
The guy with the ball didn't.

1170
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,920
Touch him at all, LeBron.
Yeah, it's like, dude, just.

1171
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,240
Go away now you're.
Just you're trying to get stats

1172
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,080
go away.
Emmett Smith, would he?

1173
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,840
We left the Cowboys.
He was gone for stats, Yeah.

1174
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,400
And it's time, you know, for a
lot of.

1175
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,720
People for a lot of different
things, you know, and I watch

1176
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,600
you know, come around here we've
got a lot of casinos in the

1177
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:16,240
area, you know watch some of the
bands that we played with back

1178
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:20,560
in the day in their their
greatness right now they're

1179
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:24,600
reduced to playing for crowds of
200 at the casino and I'm like

1180
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,960
and just but but is that but see
but see there's a thing.

1181
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:29,440
Though, Kelly, is that their
fire?

1182
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,120
What you going to say Is that
their fire?

1183
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:32,480
Man.
Because if that's.

1184
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,600
Their fire they're going to
continue because I believe it or

1185
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:38,600
not, if, if, if, if, if our band
nemesis was still together and

1186
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,920
we had rode that crescendo, we'd
still be playing shows pot of

1187
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,680
playing Casino, right?
I mean, just because if, if

1188
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,760
that's if that's your passion,
right, then you have to do what

1189
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,200
you love.
Just like you preached earlier

1190
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:51,560
on your on your thing.
So we played it.

1191
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:52,600
You knew what I was going to
say.

1192
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,440
You just walked right into that.
I knew you were going to come

1193
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,120
back because pizza.
Joint where?

1194
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,720
They were advertising People's
Johnson Party of Five, your

1195
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,720
pizzas ready while we were
jamming, you know.

1196
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,880
I think we've all.
Had gigs like that.

1197
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,640
Absolutely.
That's the fun of it, man.

1198
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,040
That's the.
Fun of playing in front of the

1199
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:12,960
three people that play in front
of 2000 people.

1200
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,720
And the difference of your
performance is exactly the same

1201
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,760
because you're playing and doing
what you love.

1202
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:20,600
It doesn't matter how many
people are there.

1203
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:22,920
Here's where I'll.
Here's where I'll.

1204
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:24,560
Agree with you and disagree with
you.

1205
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:26,480
I completely agree with what
Chris said.

1206
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,480
You walked right into that one.
But here's where I'll agree and

1207
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,240
disagree with you if the band is
still.

1208
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:39,200
Able to play the songs.
Effectively agreed.

1209
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,360
I don't care if they're playing
for. 5 people and five.

1210
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,800
Million, right?
If they're doing what they love

1211
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,560
and they're making a living in
it, that's great.

1212
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,200
But when they become a parody of
themselves, like Axel Rose and

1213
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,560
David Lee Roth.
Then I have a problem with it.

1214
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:52,840
I.
Agree with that 100%.

1215
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,560
That was the caveat.
To that was the asterisk.

1216
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,920
Do you not go out there and ruin
that band's image?

1217
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,200
The only one that I'll throw out
there right now that people seem

1218
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,640
to have a problem with, and
they've eased off, thankfully,

1219
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,600
is the Pantera reunion.
We can't get Darrell and we

1220
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,160
can't get Vinny up there anymore
because they're dead, right?

1221
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,320
Right.
Let let the people who never got

1222
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,520
to see it, they picked the two
best people on the planet to

1223
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,400
represent those two people who
are no longer with us.

1224
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,160
If you didn't get to see
Pantera, this is the next best

1225
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,400
thing, right?
And there's a difference of that

1226
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:25,960
then.
Like like say Foreigner, because

1227
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,240
Foreigner still touring.
There's not one single original

1228
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:29,880
memo from Foreigner touring.
No.

1229
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:31,800
What are you doing?
What are you doing?

1230
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,840
You're a cover band.
Yes, go away.

1231
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:37,160
Go, go away.
Then it becomes.

1232
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:42,360
A real.
Revelation of or.

1233
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:47,120
Exposure of what is business
versus music because now it's

1234
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:51,040
the brand and it doesn't who's
representing the brand, it's the

1235
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,080
brand.
You know, Levi's jeans will

1236
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,360
always be Levi's Jean.
But let me ask you this before

1237
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,000
we get too.
Far away from that subject, how

1238
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,840
do you feel about that?
Like if all the members of

1239
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,160
Foreigner are unable to
represent that music anymore, is

1240
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,160
there anything wrong with their
blessing?

1241
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,320
These people.
Carrying it on because KISS

1242
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:11,880
wants to do the same thing,
right?

1243
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,760
I think, see, I think it's
bullshit if you're not if

1244
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,520
you're.
Not if there's not an original

1245
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,080
member in the band.
There's no point in it's Led

1246
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,240
Zeppelin.
OK, Why did Led Zeppelin stop?

1247
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:21,960
Bottom died, right.
Boom.

1248
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,080
Right.
Aerosmith stopped touring wide.

1249
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,200
Aerosmith stopped touring
recently because Steven Tyler's

1250
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:27,200
voice.
You're not replacing Steven

1251
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,320
Tyler.
Now, Lincoln Park took a decade

1252
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:34,440
to replace to replace Chester,
but I don't think that does the

1253
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,080
band any justice because she's
not Chester.

1254
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,360
She will not sing like Chester.
They got a check because of the

1255
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,640
range she needed to be able to,
but they're in the same boat.

1256
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:44,600
Where?
You can't because he's dead.

1257
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,200
It's the same thing exactly.
It's like NXS has.

1258
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:48,800
Gone nowhere since Michael
Hutchins died.

1259
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,680
So ACDC John, bottom of NXS you
can't replace.

1260
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:56,000
That dude exactly ACDC.
Was lucky they had two

1261
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:57,800
lifetimes.
Bon Scott and Brian Johnson

1262
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,640
right?
But I mean, name, name other

1263
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:04,560
bands that have been able to
carry on without an integral

1264
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,640
part.
And I aside from ACDC, I don't

1265
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:07,680
really.
I can't really.

1266
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:09,240
OK, Yeah, yeah.
Van Halen.

1267
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,560
That was a whole.
That's the only rather 1 though,

1268
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:12,680
right?
So there's two.

1269
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,080
Out of all the.
Bands everywhere couldn't agree

1270
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,840
with you more so I think.
Foreigner just needs to hang it.

1271
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:19,840
Up, but I want his opinion on
it, yeah.

1272
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,920
I don't even Van Halen was able.
To carry on without their

1273
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,160
original formation because we're
actually more successful

1274
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,000
monitor.
It was a different styles.

1275
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,000
Different music.
It was a different.

1276
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:32,480
I'm not going to disagree with
you there.

1277
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:34,880
More popular though, I think
that.

1278
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,640
Van Halen.
After Dave left, I think Van

1279
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,360
Halen was done.
And then it's great that those

1280
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,640
musicians got together because
they produced something that was

1281
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,200
really outstanding.
Yeah, it wasn't Van Halen.

1282
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:53,960
It was Van Hagar or Sam Halen.
I agree with that.

1283
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:55,800
Oh that's a cool 1.
Sam Halen I like.

1284
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:57,680
That that's I never heard that
one before.

1285
01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:59,800
I agree with that, but in the 2
examples.

1286
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,520
That we brought up Chris is
right.

1287
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:08,240
They were both more successful
on the flip side, ACDC and Van

1288
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,760
Halen.
But every musician in the world

1289
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:12,520
will say exactly what you just
said.

1290
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:16,920
Van Halen was dead after David
Lee Roth left the band.

1291
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,880
It didn't have the same energy
to it, right?

1292
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,200
What is different because and
because I've seen.

1293
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,840
We've all seen clips of Van
Halen in their heyday, David de

1294
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:29,360
Roth, just he, he would never
stay on track with the songs.

1295
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,520
He would never sing in key live.
He just, some of the stuff I

1296
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,960
watched like 2 just well, he was
drunk a lot for sure right?

1297
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,520
So that's the thing I.
Think I think Sam Halen will

1298
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:39,720
call because I love that.
Kelly.

1299
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,640
They they put on a show where
you could, you knew what you

1300
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,200
were going to get every night.
Yeah, You know what I mean?

1301
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,000
You knew Sammy was.
I mean, they're going to be

1302
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:49,640
drunk and what not because
they're a party man.

1303
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:53,240
But he still performed at the
level that that he held himself

1304
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:55,360
accountable to.
He was a professional singer.

1305
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,720
He wasn't showman.
Comparison.

1306
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,560
David Lee Roth.
No, we can all agree, I think

1307
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:03,000
that David Lee Roth set the
foundation as a front man in a

1308
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:04,760
rock'n'roll band.
Who to be, how to be what?

1309
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,960
How to look, the persona, the
charisma, the engaging of the

1310
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:08,760
crowd.
Right.

1311
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:10,960
Because even though he wouldn't
sing.

1312
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,360
I saw something the other day.
It was a compilation.

1313
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:16,200
They were doing an interview
with him and his back and forth

1314
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:17,600
with their their music and
stuff.

1315
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:19,680
But you can't take away from the
fact that when they were.

1316
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:20,600
Good.
They were good.

1317
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,760
They were, they were good.
Most nights he was on his game

1318
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,880
and they just ruled the world
with the fucking stacks all the

1319
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,400
way to the Oh yeah, yeah, you
know that Unchained.

1320
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,240
Video that you always bring.
Up I love that was one of the

1321
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:33,200
first.
Images.

1322
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:38,320
That I saw that made me say holy
shit, how can I do that too,

1323
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,440
because I want to stand in front
all those that was that was that

1324
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,720
was the first song the.
First video I ever saw and I was

1325
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,520
the same thing.
Like, you know.

1326
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,400
And but I also agree with your.
Statement.

1327
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:52,080
That I saw Van Halen two or
three times with Sammy and it

1328
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:55,640
was a quality product every
right and I saw both I saw.

1329
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,680
David Lee Roth on the Edeman
Edeman Smile Tour, which was oh,

1330
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:00,640
I did too.
I saw him open up for.

1331
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,920
Or no, Cinderella opened up for
them and blew him off the stage

1332
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:06,600
and he was he was flawless.
Like he.

1333
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,480
Was he was He was singing, he
was in tune, he knew the lyrics.

1334
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,920
He wasn't fucking around.
Right.

1335
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:13,440
He wasn't fucking around like he
and then.

1336
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,320
He he starts fucking around so
much and it takes away, I think,

1337
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:20,040
because being a singer, I want
the singer to do their fucking

1338
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:22,640
job.
Not, you know, sit there with a

1339
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:24,200
bottle.
Because then later in life, I

1340
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:26,800
saw him and Sammy on tour.
The Sammy, Sammy and him would

1341
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:30,120
rotate headlining nights, right?
So Sammy kicked them off.

1342
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:31,640
The Sammy just blew him off the
stage.

1343
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,880
From a performance standpoint,
David Lee Roth comes out, he

1344
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:37,760
headlined that night.
Lights go dark and we're just

1345
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,840
sitting there waiting.
He comes out when this blue

1346
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:44,480
sequins jumpsuit skin tight and
has a bottle of Jack and he's

1347
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,880
using the bottle of Jack as his
penis the whole show like he's

1348
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,400
singing and he's it's like, what
are you doing, man?

1349
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,440
Just and we left.
I we left like, I don't know, 20

1350
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:58,520
minutes into a SEC because it
was just, it's so embarrassing

1351
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,520
and just like, dude, come on,
like just do the do what you're

1352
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,040
here to do.
There's entertaining and

1353
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:05,600
entertaining, and then there's
just.

1354
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:07,720
Being an idiot, right?
And he was just being an idiot,

1355
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:08,600
correct?
It's just, it was.

1356
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:11,080
Disappointing, but so I had seen
and I've seen Van Halen with

1357
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:15,240
David Lee Ross, so I saw solo
with the band and I saw Sammy

1358
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,600
Nick and I've seen Sammy a few
times solo and then with Van

1359
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:19,480
Halen.
So yeah, it's just it's two

1360
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:20,640
different products.
On on.

1361
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,080
Sammy is one of the best live
rock'n'roll singers.

1362
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,520
The world has ever heard Yeah,
agreed.

1363
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:27,680
He's just.
Consistent night after he.

1364
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:31,840
He doesn't have the biggest
range, no, but at his age, to be

1365
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,800
able to go out there and deliver
like he does, even to this day,

1366
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:37,400
is fascinating.
Yeah, because he's excellent. 70

1367
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:38,720
age or.
Something he's like the same

1368
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:39,560
age.
As Bill Clinton.

1369
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:43,000
Yeah, look at look at Sammy and
look at Bill Clinton, right.

1370
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,920
Well, Sammy.
Hasn't had, you know, 67% of the

1371
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,320
people he's known killed to
weigh on his soul.

1372
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,760
He's probably had 67% of the
people gotten drunk with him.

1373
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,640
That's a good.
Spreading love and.

1374
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,360
Positivity into the world.
Or or you know, and just

1375
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:03,480
straight up murder.
You know, and the dynamic of.

1376
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,840
Of the life, you know?
Yeah, I don't want to be on that

1377
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:07,200
list.
Oh yeah, we're all gone

1378
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:08,200
tomorrow.
Damn it.

1379
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:10,560
Put a voice name.
Hey.

1380
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,120
So this is Kelly before we let
him go.

1381
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:16,920
You still play.
Yeah, you know, I do still play.

1382
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:21,800
But it's limited.
Make it a priority.

1383
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:24,000
Make it, well, most.
Of my time.

1384
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,080
Is, you know, working with
people and talking with people.

1385
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:29,240
And so put 10 minutes back into
your day.

1386
01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:32,200
Every day.
That's Well, I do I, but you're.

1387
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,760
Going to you'll send me a.
Message later on, you'll be

1388
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:36,560
like, thanks man.
I've been doing it every day and

1389
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,479
now my life has changed.
Yeah, this is your fire.

1390
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:40,399
You need that for you.
This is my fire.

1391
01:08:40,399 --> 01:08:41,920
This is my I had to do that for.
Me.

1392
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:45,040
That's why I'm telling you.
When I'm this guy did that for

1393
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:46,279
me.
He made me accountable.

1394
01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:48,920
And start playing again.
And I've got a full studio in

1395
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,040
the basement too.
That I record it still still,

1396
01:08:52,279 --> 01:08:57,359
But when I'm not traveling,
doing workshops and keynote

1397
01:08:57,359 --> 01:09:01,800
stuff, I, I'm playing and, you
know, I get calls lots of times

1398
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:05,640
to, you know, sit in with a
praise band or sit in with a pit

1399
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,479
orchestra for a different
production of something.

1400
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:10,640
So I'll always pick a gig like
that.

1401
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:15,160
But, you know, I'm not looking
to be in a band because I've,

1402
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:17,000
I've lived that life.
Right, Right.

1403
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,319
OK, I'm OK.
With where I'm at.

1404
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:21,680
But yeah, Oh no, I'm never going
to stop playing.

1405
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:25,840
And that's why I've got, you
know, a couple of micro that is

1406
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:26,319
awesome.
So.

1407
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:28,880
Before I wrap this thing up, I
want to ask you, I want to go

1408
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,319
back in time to our
conversation.

1409
01:09:30,319 --> 01:09:33,279
You had the the you had the,
the, the piercings from the nose

1410
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:35,040
to the ears.
Yeah, right.

1411
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:36,760
OK.
How do you blow your nose, man?

1412
01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:39,680
The same as.
Everybody else.

1413
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:43,800
But here's the thing.
When I did it, I got my nostrils

1414
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,600
pierced in.
I could almost tell you the year

1415
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:51,880
it was 80.
I bet it was 89 OK before it was

1416
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:52,960
a thing.
Sure, kind.

1417
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,000
Of like when I shaved my head in
90s people.

1418
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,320
Nobody was shaving their head
freaking us all on OK.

1419
01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:59,840
And so I went.
To a place where they did ear

1420
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,960
piercings and I, I want you to
Pierce my nose.

1421
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,840
And they said, I don't think we
can do that.

1422
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,800
I said, well, I saw, you know,
this in the magazine.

1423
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,600
I think Snake already had.
Yeah, I think that's where I got

1424
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,600
the idea.
I've seen the.

1425
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:18,600
Thing, so I know you can do it.
She literally called the doctor,

1426
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:22,320
the hospital and asked if it was
OK to make sure it wasn't going

1427
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:26,600
to paralyze my face.
And so she stuck the gun like

1428
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:28,960
right up in my nose.
They're like hot.

1429
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:33,880
Oh God.
That hurt like hell, so I had

1430
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,960
like a normal.
Piercing like the giant post in

1431
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:40,080
it and then I'm like, I'm
already here, go ahead and do

1432
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:41,880
the other one.
So she stuck the gun up.

1433
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:47,960
Oh dear.
So I've got close and so I

1434
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:48,920
could.
Blow my nose.

1435
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:53,080
Except when you get a cold, you
know the snot just hangs off of

1436
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,400
those big inside things, so you
always have to keep it.

1437
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,000
Closed.
Keep it cleaned up.

1438
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,360
So did you?
Did you sleep with the chains?

1439
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:02,720
No, I took the chains out OK
because that.

1440
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:03,760
Was my other thing like how do
you?

1441
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:06,560
Sleep with that shit man.
Let me make you feel better

1442
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,880
about that period.
In your life, these kids today

1443
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,840
are splitting their tongues.
Yeah, you can't fix that.

1444
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:16,280
Not.
I could see.

1445
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:18,800
Certain aspects of of.
A dynamic that would be

1446
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,640
beneficial to the female part of
that relationship.

1447
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:23,440
That would be it.
That would be it, yeah.

1448
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:25,280
What a.
Great place to end the show.

1449
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,680
Hey, we are Chris and Mike.
This is Kelly Mayer.

1450
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:32,000
He is project Find Your Fire and
that's project Find yourfire.com

1451
01:11:33,480 --> 01:11:34,880
Scoot this way.
I want to read your thing.

1452
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:36,320
I want to read your thing,
Kelly.

1453
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:38,840
There you go.
Be fearless in pursuit of what

1454
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:40,440
sets your soul on fire.
Project.

1455
01:11:40,440 --> 01:11:42,800
Find yourfire.com.
Check them out.

1456
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:44,160
You're going to love them.
We love them.

1457
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,080
And we just met him.
So this has been a great,

1458
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,400
engaging conversation.
We always so much.

1459
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:49,320
Man.
That's awesome.

1460
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:50,480
Yeah.
Yeah.

1461
01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:52,760
Thank you for very much for.
Joining us and and letting us

1462
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:54,560
have some time with you because
it's valuable.

1463
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:57,960
If you've watched our shows at
all, you know, we always end

1464
01:11:57,960 --> 01:11:59,200
with don't let the bad days
wind.

1465
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,080
If you're feeling suicidal,
depressed, find somebody to talk

1466
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,160
to.
Somebody will miss you tomorrow

1467
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,240
if you don't wake up.
So don't create the hole in

1468
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:09,160
somebody else's soul.
Reach out, get some help because

1469
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,800
everybody loves you.
Everybody needs you and and

1470
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:16,040
don't be that person.
Mike and I both had experiences

1471
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:17,680
with somebody taking their
reliance and it sucks.

1472
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:21,080
So just don't do it.
You can find us on Instagram,

1473
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:24,280
Facebook and YouTube.
Like subscribe, follow all kind

1474
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:26,040
of jazz.
Kelly's show will drop here in,

1475
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:27,840
I don't know, a week or so,
something like that.

1476
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:30,920
We'll give you all the content
we have from here, Kelly, so you

1477
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:32,280
can share it all you want as
well.

1478
01:12:33,480 --> 01:12:35,280
Until next time, Anything else
you want to say, Kelly and wrap

1479
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:38,280
it up?
No Live with love and live with.

1480
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:40,760
Passion that's all.
Live with love, live with

1481
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:42,840
passion.
See you later everybody, have a

1482
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:43,280
great day.