June 18, 2025
#107 - Fred "Jigg" Johnson - Pugilist
Hello Friends,
In this episode, Chris and Mike sit down with Fred Johnson, a professional boxer from Florida, who shares his journey in the boxing world. Fred discusses his transition from amateur to professional boxing, the challenges he faced, and the importance of mental health and coaching in his life.
He also highlights the significance of giving back to the community by coaching young boxers and the challenges boxing faces in the current sports landscape, especially with the rise of MMA. The conversation delves into the business side of boxing, including the role of promoters and the impact of losses on a boxer's career.
In this engaging conversation, Fred shares his journey into professional boxing, discussing the importance of popularity in the sport, his rigorous training regimen, and the mental preparation required for fight day. He reflects on the psychology of fighting, the significance of scoring and judging in boxing, and his aspirations for the future.
The discussion highlights the dedication and discipline required to succeed in boxing, as well as the respect and sportsmanship that come with being a professional athlete.
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What's up there, boys and girls?
This is the Chris and Mike show.
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We have a super special guest
today.
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We have Fred Johnson, a boxer
out of Florida is actually
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coming on the show to talk all
things about life and boxing and
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being a pugilist.
Welcome, Fred.
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How are you?
Welcome Fred, nice to meet.
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You.
Nice to meet you too.
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How you?
We're good.
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So just so people know, I'm in
Arizona, Mikes in Illinois, and
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you're in Florida.
Yes, Sir.
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Right on.
How's Florida today?
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It's been raining all week off
and on.
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Still warm though.
Yeah, yeah.
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It's like it's the armpit of
America, right?
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The humidity.
Yeah.
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What part of Florida are you in?
Calm out of Florida.
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It's like 40 minutes South of
the Tampa.
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Still considering the Bay Area a
little bit.
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OK, right where you're at.
OK.
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OK.
And born and born and raised in
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Florida.
That's where hometown
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everything.
Yes, Sir.
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Right on right on and so give us
a little bit of background on
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you.
You're obviously a boxer get
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litter and just so you know too,
this is at the why we're doing
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this right now.
We're we're we stream live on on
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YouTube, but then we'll also
have we'll have we'll drop this
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whatever lineup we are and all
that kind of jazz.
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So people can re watch this if
they're not able to join the
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YouTube broadcast.
So OK, give us a little bit
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background of who you are as far
as you know, whatever we want to
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talk.
We can talk about personally, we
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can talk about family life.
We can talk about work life.
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We can talk about boxing.
You tell us, introduce yourself,
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and we'll just go from there,
man.
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Well, I'll start off by saying
I'm a pro boxer, cool out of
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palm out of Florida.
I'm a father of two.
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Nice.
My work and mental health.
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So that's.
Cool, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, I've been how long?
Go ahead.
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I was going to ask you how long
you been a boxer.
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Since I was 15.
OK.
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And how old are you now?
36.
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Really.
You don't look 36, man.
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No, I would have never.
I I couldn't have no party life.
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It is a good boxer.
So how so?
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So you've been training
basically into the world of
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boxing for, what is that, 16
years?
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A little longer.
Yeah, OK, right on man.
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And and what's, what division do
you fight in?
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Well, it's a weight.
OK.
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And what's your record in
welterweight?
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I'm two I know as a pro right
now.
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OK, now congratulations.
Yeah, absolutely.
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So here's a question.
How, how because we don't know,
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I don't know the in and outs of
boxing, right and and the
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struggles and things like that.
Like we had somebody on that
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that was knee deep into into
professional wrestling and kind
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of had give us insight with
that.
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So with boxing, how long were
you an amateur boxer before you
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became a professional boxer?
Well, I can't even count how
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many years.
Really.
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I started competitive boxing at
19, but I trained since I was
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15.
OK, so you have 4 years of
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training to become A to start
competitive boxing at 19?
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Actually, you compete when
you're ready.
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Like I was still chasing
football dreams.
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Right, right, right up, man.
Chase and tell me they shut the
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door.
Right.
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Yeah.
Man, I had to make a decision.
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There you go.
So so why?
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Why is there such a long time
being an amateur and and going
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into the pro level?
Because I tell kids like who
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want to turn a pro on boxing, A
lot of people in general, not
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just kids, you got to treat
boxing and amateurs as let's
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say, pee wee football.
You.
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Know.
You got to learn.
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You got to learn the basics of
it, and then from there it is
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high school football.
OK, use that as an example.
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Then you make it to college,
then to the NFL.
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It's kind of like you're saying,
well, you want to build all that
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experience, as much experience
as you can in the amateurs.
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Win, lose or draw right off the
account before you turn on the
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probe.
OK, so how many amateur fights
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have you been in?
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OK.
And what was your what was your
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record as an amateur?
To two and four the.
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Hell.
I did.
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I did underwater boxing as well
too.
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Wow, what's that?
Under the radar bouncing.
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Oh.
OK, So what was your record on
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that?
I don't know, it was like every
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week.
Wow.
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Explain that.
Explain that for the people.
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That don't know.
Is that like, is that like
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fight?
Is that like Fight Club?
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You don't talk about Fight Club.
Yeah, it's basically that's what
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it is.
So I'm going to get put together
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in certain nightclubs.
Yeah.
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OK.
Wow.
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You you still have all the
gloves and stuff on.
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It's not bare knuckle or
anything like that, nothing
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crazy.
Well, we we had our hands
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wrapped.
Even some of the shows had had
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your own.
OK.
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Yeah, it was dangerous, but we
made sure we did the best we
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could to stay safe.
Yeah, of course.
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So how many did you get?
Yeah, Go ahead, Mike.
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Sorry.
Sorry, man.
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You go.
Go ahead.
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Did you get paid at these
fights?
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Of course.
Or why else would you do them?
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Yeah, cut them.
He asked.
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He you cut off Mike, say again.
Oh, did you get paid at those
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fights?
Or, you know, like people would
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ask, why else would you do them?
Experience.
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Oh, there you go, experience.
So even the amateur level, you
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don't get paid.
Experience.
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OK, so no, he didn't get paid.
OK, wow.
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So the so underground boxing's
experience amateur, is that a
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paycheck or is that experience
as well?
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Amateur boxing is legit
experience.
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OK.
Wow.
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Because that's certified, right?
That's a certified organization
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rules, OK.
That's crazy man.
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So.
So 16 years until you became a
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pro?
16 years of experience but not
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making a dime from doing it.
Hundreds of fights because he
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says he can count the other
ones.
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Right, right.
So you got to be like it.
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Like what?
What 80 plus knockouts say we
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have 100 fights.
You're like 80 plus knockout
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guy.
See.
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That's see, so to me, that's
amazing that it it took you that
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long to break into the pro
level. 2017.
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Musicians, man. 2017 I
originally turned pro but.
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OK.
I dealt with some mental things
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after the show that I was
originally supposed to be on.
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Damn falling through.
I was already battling mental
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issues like prior to going into
that fight and when I fight it
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didn't go through, which is like
pretty much hung out the gloves
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for a little bit.
Gotcha.
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I actually just got back into it
last year.
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OK, OK.
Like when I hung out the gloves
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I dripped it into.
Actually, that's when I started
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working in mental health.
OK.
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And what do you what do you do
in the mental health field?
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I have background with that too.
I worked.
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OK, cool.
So you work like behavioral
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types type stuff like that.
Yeah, but I've been, I had some
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time in that field too.
So I I know what that's like for
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sure.
And from now I started giving
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back, you know, coaching kids, a
lot of kids.
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And I eventually ended up pro
boxing coach.
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I told you Aston Muscle Gravel,
that's the first pro I've
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trained.
OK, right on.
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So I'm sure Mike and I both have
the same question.
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What does it feel like getting
hit in the face, in the nose, in
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a boxing ring?
In the beginning, I'm going to
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take you in front of the
beginning.
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In the beginning, Well, what the
hell is that?
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You know what?
I mean right, if you get popped
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the right way that's how you
feel but if you in a zone and
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your adrenaline rushing it's you
don't really feel it.
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Let me ask you this, did you
play baseball?
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I played baseball 2 years when I
was a kid.
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Did you ever get hit by the
ball?
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I got nipped in the air.
OK, so I got just pelted and
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like the first time it was, it
took me forever to get back in
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the batter's box, right?
But once somebody explains to
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you, you already know what to
expect.
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It seems different after that,
right?
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Is that what getting hit in the
face is like repeatedly?
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You just know what's coming.
Yeah, I mean the stuff you see
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coming, that's that due to less
damage, it's what you don't see
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that takes us too long into the
works.
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The blind side, that's that's
where Mike Tyson's, you know,
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uppercut that comes out of
nowhere.
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That's why he dropped people
with that shit, because they
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weren't expecting it.
I've been fortunate enough to
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experience that in sparring, so
I won't experience that in my
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real fights.
I've been parked a couple times
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in my real fights, but I really
haven't been taking much
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punishment.
That's good.
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Do you approach?
Do you approach the when you get
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into the ring?
Do you approach it more from a
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defensive standpoint, waiting
for your moment to to be
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offensive and aggressive?
Yeah, I'm a I'm a counter
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puncher we call.
I stayed to like the art of bars
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and well, the way my close train
me is hit and not get hit, you
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know?
Right there's there's I.
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Got you right.
And I'm I'm taking off.
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Yeah, that's there's a today
would be the best approach as a
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boxer man, defensively and
counter punching boxer as
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opposed to, you know, the great,
late, great Muhammad Ali just
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dope on a rope.
You know, that's the punishment
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you don't want to take.
So growing up, did you have any
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any any boxers that you idolize
that you aspire to become like?
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Well, first it was Roy Jones
Junior, but I learned quick,
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like as my coach taught me a
lot.
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I learned this guy breaking
every single rule of boxing and
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getting away with it because
because of his speed, you know
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Roy Jones is certain athletes or
boxers you can't really coach.
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Just like Curry with that crazy
3 pointer.
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Right, right, right.
Some things you just have.
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And join one of those guys and
learning the art.
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I really watched a lot of Andre
Ward, Floyd Mayweather and Penel
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Whitaker.
OK, yeah, old school man.
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What about you?
Consider Floyd Mayweather, the
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master of not getting hit.
Yeah, that's.
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Yeah.
One of the greatest?
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That's not the greatest
defensive fighter of all time.
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I agree.
Yeah I I would agree with that
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too 100% and that's why his
fights are boring.
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You took the words right out of
my mouth.
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People are going to say that his
fights are boring and as a
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student, how you look at it?
As a student, it's amazing.
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I agree with that for sure,
Fred.
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Yes.
Go ahead.
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No, I was just there, I was just
reinforcing that fact.
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You're you're a student of, of
the sport, you know, like you
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said, how you were coached and
stuff.
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So I could see that.
I could see how you would
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appreciate Mayweather's fights.
And and because he was, I mean,
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to me from a, from a viewing
standpoint, you know, you want
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the, you want the knockout
punch.
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You want, I like say I like the
lighter weight weight belts or
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weight classes just because they
tend, they're more aggressive in
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the ring.
There's more movement.
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I heard there's that.
Yeah, right.
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Yeah, a lot more punching in the
in the lighter weights.
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What's you mentioned football
earlier So, so and you still
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pursuing that dream, What what
are you doing with that?
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Are you trying out for teams and
stuff like that?
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Oh no, that was before dripping
into boxing.
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I'm still a I'm still a
teenager.
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I'm glad to please.
Gotcha.
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Yeah, I was playing semi pro for
the brightest and Gladiators
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beta, Southwest Florida
Gladiators now, but that was it,
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you know?
Did you play?
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Did you play football and
baseball and stuff throughout
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high school?
Like I just played football in
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high school.
OK.
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And certain situation with a new
coach kind of really shifted my
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path into the boxing gym.
OK, So what was it?
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What was it?
Explain to us, give us like some
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insight of your first of your
first professional fight.
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What was what was that like?
I mean, the emotion, the
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adrenaline, you know, the stage,
all that kind of jazz, you know,
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because you might obviously Mike
and our fighters to kind of walk
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us through that journey and what
it feels like to step into that
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ring knowing you're going to go
toe to toe with that dude.
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After doing it so much in
amateurs, I had a lot of
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experience.
So with that and then dripping
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into being a coach and then
going into camp, I'm going into
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camp after all of that.
OK.
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I had some real hard sparring.
Yeah, there's one guy in
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particular, Sonny dude who said
he another pro boxer, he's from
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Avon Parkway.
He was training out of Sarasota,
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FL OK, put me down a couple
times.
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He really showed me, OK, this
what the pros going to be like,
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you know, so.
He showed you the next level.
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Yeah, basically that's what that
was.
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That's what that was from there.
I think the preparation that I
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went through to get ready for
this fight.
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I usually think that people have
butterflies and all that nervous
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stuff.
I didn't like my trainer
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prepared me and I had a real
good camp, so I was ready.
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OK.
So would you say you were very
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centered on that night?
Yes, I got yeah, I was real
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calm.
But people like the way to fight
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was it was a bloodbath and
people was like looking at me as
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a monster.
But I I wasn't like black and
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out or angry, not once because
everything was connected for me
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and where.
Was this fight at?
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The van waves on the side, so
the Florida.
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OK, I was right by the water.
Can we, is this something we can
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we can go on YouTube and watch?
Not the fight, but I could send
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you the videos.
Oh, that.
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'D be cool.
Yeah, I'd like to see it.
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Man, that'd be awesome.
That'd be cool.
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So then this is your first
professional fight we're talking
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about.
Yes, Sir.
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Right.
And who was that against again?
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Brian, I forgot his name.
When you beat the guy, when you
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beat the guy, you don't remember
the name, right?
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It's I just kicked.
Brian nice guy though.
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Nice guy.
I know his name was Brian.
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Get his last name.
Yeah, yeah.
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So here's another, here's
another.
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And Mike, feel free to chime in
with all questions you have too,
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because so when you're boxing,
when you step into that ring,
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it's all business, right?
It's got to be business.
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You, you got your game plan, you
got your everything you're
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supposed to do.
Listen to your coaches all kind
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of jazz like you just kind of
explained that you had your
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camp, you were ready.
And so before the fight you meet
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just like weighing stuff like
that, right?
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Do you really get to know the
person you're going to fight or
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is more just like your
opponent's gladiator style?
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And after the fights over, do
you?
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You know what?
I mean you crossed paths but
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you're not really finna rub
elbows with your partner before
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the fight.
It was actually doing some scare
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tactics trying to.
Yeah.
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It was weird.
Yeah, you got to, you got to do
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that Tyson Stair, right?
You just want to intimidate.
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Yeah, it.
It didn't work.
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It was like, I don't know if you
see, like, the scary movies, you
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see, like Michael Myers and then
look away and look at him again.
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He disappeared.
Yeah.
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It was like stuff like that he
was doing.
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OK.
Oh, this really?
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That's a great description.
That's funny.
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That's funny.
So is it so like I know when in
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professional sports like
basketball, football, baseball,
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not so much baseball, but
basketball and football going
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from from collegiate level,
which we can kind of call
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amateur, right, Going from
amateur to pro, the speed is, is
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that much more as a pro, right?
Like with football, you can have
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an amazing athlete, college
football athlete, right?
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Then it comes to the pros and
just falls flat because of the
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speed and the timing is so
different between the two.
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Is it is?
Is it the same with boxing from
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an amateur to pro level?
It's actually two different
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levels and the amateurs you got
novice level, which is like your
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first ten fights.
That's like then you go open.
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Once you go open you fighting
anybody from who had between 10
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to maybe 300 fights.
Those are both sanctioned
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divisions.
USA boxer Yeah, obviously you
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want to get into the way you're
competing on a national level.
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Well, I just want people to
understand you're fighting at a
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pro level, just a semi pro level
at that point, right?
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You know, you're calling it
amateur and I think that gets
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misunderstood sometimes.
These are sanctioned divisions
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within the pro league.
You just well, if it's like
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wider League Baseball versus pro
baseball.
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Yeah, basically.
It's still a pro.
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Basically when you go open you
fighting guys with ton of
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experience, you you hope that
you get matched with a guy who
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had somewhere around the same
amount of fights as you.
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But I don't know, that way you
might be finding a guy who just
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won nationals 2 years in a way
on a row.
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Just fall in the Olympics, you
know?
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Yeah.
You can go like that when you go
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open.
So when you so when you're
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openly fighting, you still had
how many knockouts as an
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amateur?
I had.
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When I went open, I had just two
knockouts.
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I didn't know I wasn't one of
those guys who lift weights.
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I was just sold out for skill.
I didn't start pulling people
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down until I added strength and
conditioning.
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Oh really?
Yeah.
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Interesting.
So, so before that, would you
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say you were more of you relied
on your defensive skill set to
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wear people down?
Yeah.
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I'll throw a lot of punches.
OK, A.
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Lot of punches, you know, they
they had a little bit of sting
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on them, but I didn't want them
not to make you go to sleep.
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Gotcha.
And then?
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You wore them down offensively
then, OK.
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And then once you added the
strength and conditioning did
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that your, your sting got a
little bit more stingy, right?
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Then I I started settling down a
little bit more too, like, OK,
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this feels kind of good.
OK, because you had more, you
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had more power behind your
punches then, so you didn't have
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to throw as many punches to have
the and having a greater impact
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then?
Correct.
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And when just like any sport,
you got to develop into your
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grown manpower, sure.
You know that didn't start
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happening for me.
Talk about 2324.
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OK.
What age did you go from the
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what you called the Peewee
League to the Open League?
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23 I think so.
So you got 23 when you went into
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the Open League and then what
age was your first professional
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fight?
3035 last year wow right where
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am I?
I had that gap or yeah, athletic
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boxing so.
It's just what I want people to
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understand and what I'm
impressed with is just, I don't
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know any other way to put it
with but your stick to
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itiveness.
You know, just that.
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Your tenacity to not guess,
that's the word I was looking at
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for you know, I'm impressed with
your tenacity to never give up
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on your dream.
Yeah, because that's a long
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time.
It's a long time chasing
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something and just to get, I
mean, you did take some time
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off, so go ahead.
Giving back, you know, it kind
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of like brought me back to the
sport.
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Yeah, helping fuel.
We had it, we had a gentleman on
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earlier today that his whole
thing was a project finds your
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fire.
And that's the basically is it
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kind of is what it sounds.
It's it's, it's helping someone
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find what what they absolutely
love to do in life.
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So that carries them, you know,
all other aspects of the light,
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not just their thing.
So obviously boxing is is
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something that you're very
passionate about because you
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again, like over 16 years of
your life, you've dedicated to
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the sport and you're still here
talking in a very eloquent way.
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So you've obviously not been hit
in the head very much.
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No, I haven't took many.
I've never been cut.
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I've never been.
Yeah, I've never been out.
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Never.
Never broke your nose?
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I ain't.
Never broke my knock.
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I would.
I'm not kidding you, man.
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Now I want to see some of your
fights.
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Yeah, because.
That says a lot to, you know,
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Chris and I, we're not blowing
smoke.
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We both love watching boxing.
Yeah, yeah.
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Like we were disappointed with
the Tyson and and Logan Paul
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fight.
It's like, come on, man.
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Then you hear all the back
nonsense that it was all you
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know.
Yeah, it's pretty sweet.
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I think Tyson deserved that type
of payday won last time.
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I agree 100%.
We agreed on that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he's actually, he was just
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in Arizona yesterday.
They're instituting a thing in
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Arizona with kids and physical
education.
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I didn't.
I didn't dive deep into the
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story, but it was something that
came across with Tyson and and
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the Arizona schools working on a
physical fitness program for
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kids, which is cool.
You know, it's all about me.
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Mike and I are all about giving
back too.
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So the fact that you now from a
coaching standpoint with your
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coaching kids and stuff like
that, kind of helping them
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achieve their dreams.
Yeah, a lot of them come and go,
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but a lot of kids, they come in
and gym like just like me, like
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how I was.
I just just a little damaged
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kid, you know, that didn't have
nowhere to put that aggression
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out.
Right.
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Yeah, something like boxing.
Talk a little bit about that,
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Fred, that how important boxing
is to kids who have no other
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choice.
A lot of people don't understand
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that this probably saved your
life.
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Would you not agree with that?
Yeah, it definitely dropped in
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my path.
I don't know where I was going
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to go, but I could tell you I
didn't find out where I was
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going to go without boxing.
And there's a lot of kids like
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that, right?
A.
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Lot and they don't have no
outlet.
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A lot of them don't even know
about boxing and don't even know
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boxing is a odds now.
See, that's crazy, especially in
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in, in the the time we live in
with how social media is so
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prevalent everywhere and you
have access to everything.
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It's it's taken this huge world
and just shrunk it down to your
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palm right where you can Google
anything.
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Is it, is it because they don't
think it's it's it's it's a,
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it's a an option because of cost
or because of location or it
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kind of expand a level?
Because it could be cost,
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location, it could be how they
look like.
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A lot of kids obese.
So I can never do something like
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that.
But they don't know.
452
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,800
I just got to go in there and
start doing it.
453
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,360
I can lose weight.
I can get in shape.
454
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,240
Well, George Foreman.
Yeah.
455
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,520
And then you got some kids who
only know as far as social media
456
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,520
on YouTube Go, they see somebody
like J Carl, like, oh, I can't
457
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,800
do that.
You got to be rich, you know?
458
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,720
OK.
Yeah, I get that.
459
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,200
I didn't think about that from
that approach.
460
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,600
Yeah, because because the size
really doesn't matter from a
461
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,560
boxing stack, because I mean,
the Foreman, what was his name?
462
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,840
Butter Bean that that, you know,
that hit that dude was huge,
463
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,200
right?
Somebody like Benavidez, he was,
464
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,040
he just fought Canelo and he was
about 15.
465
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,480
He was huge like butterball,
right?
466
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,400
That's yeah.
So it's it's, yeah.
467
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,880
Yeah, Boston, Boston do a lot of
for kids, but places like
468
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:10,400
jujitsu and Maui Tai Taekwondo,
those would be in the front of
469
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,560
the city, you know, boxing pack
tucked away somewhere.
470
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,520
Gotcha.
Because the whole M&AUFC
471
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,400
culture.
Yeah, like Muay Thai and
472
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,160
Taekwondo a little bit more
popular, you know, so they'll be
473
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,200
in a Plaza next to a Publix or
something like that.
474
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,760
And right boxing and being
warehouse somewhere where you
475
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,680
got to really search for there's
not really an open for everybody
476
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,320
to know handsome boxing gym
right there.
477
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:40,480
So it's almost become a second
class society because of MMA.
478
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,520
No, I wouldn't say that.
It's just boxing.
479
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,320
Always been tough dunks like
that.
480
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,040
Oh, it's always been that way.
OK, I didn't know that that
481
00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:51,200
that's.
Crazy and and you.
482
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,000
Got to go in the inner city to
find like a.
483
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,600
See you do because, because
I've, I've been faster with
484
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,360
boxing forever.
And I always thought train doing
485
00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:01,760
the I always thought that the
training behind being a boxer
486
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,560
would be just an epic workout to
do on a consistent basis because
487
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,360
it's a full body thing.
Like it's, it's, it's not just
488
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,600
cardio, right, because the
weights and the discipline and
489
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,640
the hand eye coordination.
But you can't, I can't.
490
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,760
The only boxing gyms I've ever
found are 45 minutes to an hour
491
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,960
away from me.
So it's, it's, you know, it's
492
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,240
like, and then they open one up
in, in in the East Valley where
493
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,640
I live.
But it was for women like you.
494
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:29,800
The whole thing was catered for
What?
495
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,000
Because I I just.
Yeah, I want to do something
496
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,240
like that.
They making to kill it.
497
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,360
Women are oh for those.
People making box and fitness
498
00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:40,640
gyms like.
Absolutely because again,
499
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,760
there's nothing where I live
right now, there's nothing.
500
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,080
There was one that popped up.
We had a we had a guest on.
501
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,600
She's part owner Alicia Shields
Mike of a gym called Box Out.
502
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,160
But everything you see on them
social media wise, it's it's all
503
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,360
women.
There's no men.
504
00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:58,800
So walking in there as a guy
would be awkward like, oh, which
505
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,160
one of you are going to fight?
But I can't hit a woman.
506
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,560
And then those guns don't be set
up like that.
507
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,120
Just need just fitness like
Title boxing.
508
00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:08,280
I don't know if you'll have that
there.
509
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,920
Title boxing.
Mayweather even drifted into the
510
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,200
fitness boxing germs.
Well, Mayweather, if he touches,
511
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:21,840
turns to gold, you know.
So how long you been married or
512
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,280
are you married?
I'm in a relationship.
513
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,320
OK, OK, OK.
And how old are your kids?
514
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,560
Oh my God, an 11 year old and a
five year old should be 6 August
515
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,520
8th.
OK, right now I have a grandson
516
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:35,840
that's 5 1/2.
So I feel you.
517
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,440
They're they're a blast at that
age.
518
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,680
Grandson, you look my age.
Thank you.
519
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,160
Thank you.
I just turned 55 and I've just
520
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,640
turned 55 in March.
I'm done.
521
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:52,040
I look like I'm 36.
See ya, I'm going to tell my
522
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:57,800
wife that, honey.
I'm only going to be 23 and I
523
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,760
look like I'm 62.
No, I'm just kidding.
524
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,080
I'll be 52 in August.
It's so you have a fight coming
525
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,200
up, right Fred?
Yeah, it's next Friday in Tampa.
526
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,800
OK.
And who you and who you fight
527
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,840
next Friday in Tampa.
They just replaced my opponent
528
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,440
it.
Was because he's scared of you.
529
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,480
I don't want to fight.
I don't want to fight action jig
530
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:20,520
man.
I'm going to get my ass kicked,
531
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,120
right?
So he balanced.
532
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,920
Yeah, this is Raul or something.
I got to look and scare family.
533
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,560
So, so from a preparation
standpoint, when they switch
534
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,120
your opponent, like do you watch
film and stuff of who you're
535
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:34,720
boxing?
So you kind of know they're.
536
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:36,520
Yeah.
OK.
537
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,760
So when they switch your
opponent, how does that, how
538
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,280
much does that mess with your
training and your game plan?
539
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,440
Not too much.
It take me in my trainer
540
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,800
probably like a day.
Sometimes it take my trainer
541
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,720
like 30 minutes to figure out we
need to do this that, this and
542
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,480
the 3rd to get a job done.
Let me.
543
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,880
Ask you this.
That's why I do a better check
544
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,520
man.
Do you have right on?
545
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,880
Do you have the?
Option to not fight if they do
546
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,640
that inside a week.
Yes.
547
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,520
OK, so now it'd be the balls in
your court.
548
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,200
You can say yes or no to the new
opponent because.
549
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,480
Well, it's always in your, the
thing about the probes, you can
550
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:24,480
make a decision if you're not
signed with a major, a major
551
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,800
emotion company.
I mean, sometimes you got to
552
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,240
trust who they put in front of
you.
553
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,320
But I'm pretty much independent,
so.
554
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,760
OK.
I'm a part of all my decisions
555
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:35,320
that I make.
Oh.
556
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:36,760
That's good.
That's awesome.
557
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,680
Yeah, because I kind of, I don't
know if this is act or not, but
558
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,120
it seems like Oscar De La Hoya,
that kind of started that whole
559
00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:44,960
trend where where you're the
boxer and you can be the
560
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,760
promoter and and you're the, you
know, the Golden Boy production.
561
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,560
So that way the boxer,
rightfully so, especially
562
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,480
someone on your journey, right,
almost 16 plus years, you should
563
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,040
get all the pieces of all the
puzzle because you're the one in
564
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,440
there, you know?
Not you, of course, because
565
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,880
nobody touches you, you know,
but you should.
566
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,080
That's that's the thing, right?
You should make the money, you
567
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,080
should reap the benefits from
promotions and and management,
568
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,880
all that kind of jazz, because
you're the product.
569
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,920
So why not have it
all-encompassing?
570
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,320
You know action jig promotions,
right?
571
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,560
Well, it's not my promotion
company.
572
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,000
You have some promotions are
pretty fair, right?
573
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,440
There should be a percentage of
the ticket sales guarantee
574
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,880
purse.
That's cool.
575
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,400
I'm good at.
So when you're dealing with good
576
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,040
people like that, they look out
for.
577
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,040
Is there is there still Don
Kings out there in the world
578
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,600
that just just for lack of
better term, just everywhere you
579
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,920
rape the boxers.
They're everywhere still.
580
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,440
Really.
Yeah, they're everywhere.
581
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:47,160
That sucks, man.
And that's just that's so, so,
582
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,360
so a boxer latching on to
someone like him.
583
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,840
That's just, that's just they're
trying to, you know, kind of
584
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,520
selling their soul to get to
that upper, to that next level.
585
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,160
And they feel like that's the
only way they're going to get
586
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,000
there.
It can be that way.
587
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,720
Hopefully he changed, you know?
Yeah, Yeah.
588
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,520
Hopefully.
Learn from his mistakes.
589
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:04,440
Like dead people?
Yeah.
590
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,280
But you're saying that that kind
of personality is still super
591
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,120
prevalent in the Boston?
World they say it's like just
592
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,160
like the music industry like
it's just Trump familiar with
593
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,200
that the next been staying
getting milked there man.
594
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,480
We're going to the next like
when in boxing, if you lose a
595
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,480
few times, it's like basically
send you right back to the
596
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,600
bottom and a lot of promoters
don't want to deal with that.
597
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,680
They ready to move on to the
next best thing.
598
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,240
That sucks.
So there's no, there's no they
599
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,440
don't, they don't back like you
just talked about with music
600
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,840
like back 20 years ago, you
invest in them in a band, you
601
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,920
help them grow.
You, you say the, you know, the
602
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,200
foundations, all that kind of
just now it's like, OK, I need
603
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,000
one song.
Give me one song.
604
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,080
And then and then a year from
now you're just done.
605
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:48,720
See you later.
Bye.
606
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,920
As long as you win, you can make
20 sounds.
607
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,320
Well, it's funny that he yeah,
it's funny he brings that up
608
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,200
because I just heard that on a
podcast I was listening to that
609
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,280
I was unaware of that, Fred,
that in the boxing world, you
610
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,480
cannot lose in MMA, you can lose
a couple times and you can still
611
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:11,360
keep trajectorying up, right?
You're on the upward path in the
612
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,000
boxing world.
If you lose one time, you could
613
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,880
be done.
If you lose 2 times, you're for
614
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,120
surely done I.
Didn't depend on who you lost
615
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,960
against.
If you lost again, it's like a
616
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,320
world champion, like a Canelo.
You still got, you still got
617
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,560
levers to yeah, 'cause.
You lost a world champion, It's
618
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,240
not like you lost to me, but.
You lose against Billy Joe from
619
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:39,120
Papa John's.
I don't think we could push you
620
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,400
out too much.
I don't think, Mr. Mark, you too
621
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,720
good.
Yeah, so when it comes to when
622
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,560
it comes to your fight on on
what was it the 13th or 16th
623
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,640
the. 13th.
The 13th are you the where you
624
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,680
at in the card is because now
you're a pro.
625
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,080
Are you an undercard?
Yeah, I'm on network.
626
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,400
OK.
It's a it's a popularity thing
627
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,440
at this point.
Oh OK so the more fights you do
628
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,000
as a pro the more popular you
can become and then you start
629
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,400
moving?
The more they can promote and
630
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,640
push you out in the public,
that's who the crowd coming to
631
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,800
see most of the time.
But I got a pretty good
632
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,440
following home.
Right on, right on.
633
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:24,080
Channel 10 and Channel 8 News
just did a story on me.
634
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,720
But I think I saw something of
that when you you were in the
635
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,000
boxing gym.
Yeah, that's awesome.
636
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,280
That is awesome.
How many, how many, how many
637
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,880
sparring partners do you have
when you're training for a
638
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,280
fight?
It could be from 2, it could be
639
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,800
the tenant.
OK, do you do you spar every
640
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,360
day?
Tuesday and Thursdays and
641
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,360
Saturdays with sparring days.
But I started overnight job, so
642
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,480
I got a right.
Yeah, I do.
643
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:53,880
Different days.
OK.
644
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,480
And the other days, what are you
doing?
645
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,920
Just conditioning, strength
work, cardio OK.
646
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,480
Just a lot of craft in.
OK, so, so again, just so people
647
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,520
can wrap their head around
stuff, so we're going to, we're
648
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,240
going to Rocky, right?
The the world famous movie,
649
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,680
Rocky, the first one, not all
the ones after the fact, like
650
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,560
all the training and stuff, the
running and all that.
651
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,640
Shit's kind of real at a certain
extent, right?
652
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,240
Yeah, it's, it's pretty much.
I don't you're doing the same
653
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,160
thing every day.
OK.
654
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,200
And then after that, you're
doing the same thing again every
655
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:25,800
day.
Every day.
656
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,080
But but that's the thing though,
you're, you're, you have to be
657
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,240
in top physical condition to
step to the ring, right?
658
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,120
Yes, Sir.
That's what we did everyday.
659
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,680
We practiced.
Yeah, Yeah.
660
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,000
I think that's the part that in
a situation like this that
661
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:48,720
people need to understand is how
many hours you put into, you
662
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,880
know, what do they say, 10,000
hours for the hour that they saw
663
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,240
you fight.
You know.
664
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,360
You're talking pregame, the
fight, after the fight.
665
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,800
You know people see that glory
of yours for an hour, they see
666
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,600
an hour of your life.
They don't see the 10,000 hours
667
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,200
that went.
Into my last fight I was
668
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,240
training like I'd say 4 to 5
hours a day.
669
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,040
Wow for 2 1/2 months and it was
over 4 minutes.
670
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,560
I stopped the second round one
minute.
671
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,640
Did you knock him down?
Yeah, yeah.
672
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,680
How'd that feel?
How'd that feel when knocking?
673
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,200
Like like throwing a punch and
then seeing your opponent just
674
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,560
drop.
It was a flurry.
675
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,680
I threw a flurry that made him
quick and I thought the referee
676
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,440
was going to let him get up.
Yeah.
677
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,520
And he waved it off.
OK.
678
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,160
I saw what I wanted to throw
out, everybody wanted.
679
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,600
I was highlight knockouts.
I saw what I wanted to throw,
680
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,560
but there's a freeway to fight
off.
681
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,800
OK, right on.
And so you just, and then all of
682
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,080
a sudden he's down.
Yeah.
683
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,560
So, so, so you're stepping back
looking at that, right.
684
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,200
You're still probably just
dancing a little bit freaking.
685
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,160
Just adrenaline's going through
the roof.
686
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,200
Are you just like in your head
Like yeah man, that knocked you
687
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,480
on your ass?
No, I stepped back Like people
688
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,680
thought like I stomped.
Like I stomped off.
689
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,440
People thought like I was
celebrating.
690
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,400
I was more disappointed because
I saw the overhand right that I
691
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,199
wanted to throw.
I wanted referee to just, you
692
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:14,480
understand, the 8 lbs and I
don't get back up.
693
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,360
Yeah.
You know about those highlight
694
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,760
knockouts that be viral, you
know?
695
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,159
Well, yeah, because that's going
to increase your popularity,
696
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,239
right?
There's the other side of it
697
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,400
that people don't see is that
disappointment on your face was
698
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,480
just you at war with yourself,
not your opponent, right?
699
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,199
They thought I was celebrating
when I when I started to.
700
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,800
Yeah, See, Chris and I will say
the same thing.
701
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,080
It's like we'll make horrible
mistakes in the middle of our
702
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,040
set and then we'll ask the
people that see us play every
703
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,560
night and that's like we didn't
hear anything, you know, like
704
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,040
the people don't understand.
It's like at that level, you're
705
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,400
not.
You're in more competition with
706
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,800
yourself than you even are your
opponent, right?
707
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,000
And the people be more
entertained than you realize.
708
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because what you, yeah, because
709
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,400
what you do isn't is it's
entertaining for sure.
710
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:09,800
I mean, that's the whole point
of it, right?
711
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,200
You're putting on a show.
So if you ever so if you ever
712
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,200
had one of those those those
punches thrown that just you
713
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,040
know, it's just you know, tree
falling in the woods, just one
714
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,400
hit, one shot.
Yeah, I had a.
715
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,200
And how does that feel?
Because you got a little smile
716
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,760
when I asked that.
Well, yeah, I got with him.
717
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,320
It felt good.
I'm still remember the first
718
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,960
time I put somebody down on my.
Punch.
719
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,400
Yeah, well, what kind of punch
was it?
720
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,800
It was a body shot.
OK.
721
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,960
Oh, really?
Yeah, it was a body shot, you
722
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:39,960
know.
To the ribs.
723
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,400
Yeah, to the oblique area.
I reached down to help him up
724
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,040
and well, he was one of my
mentors trying to Smith.
725
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,000
He wasn't on boxing around here.
He kind of freaked out, you
726
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,440
know, like what you doing?
We don't do that.
727
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,160
We don't help nobody up.
We go to, you know, wait on the
728
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,520
ribs to do his job.
That's what type of person I was
729
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,400
at the time.
But as it start happening more I
730
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,920
just walk off because.
You have to, right?
731
00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:10,200
That day, he told me you go to
the corner where in the room
732
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,440
that that's like in my head,
like you'll see me walk off when
733
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,360
I drop somebody on the videos
I'm seeing.
734
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:19,240
You Well, yeah, I mean, you
know, most boxers aside from
735
00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:21,960
some of them, the showboating
ones would would like you said,
736
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,840
you just you drop the guy, you
walk away and I I guess that's
737
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,560
kind of more respect for the
sport, right?
738
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:28,760
Like you're not going to
showboat.
739
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,760
Look at me.
Because all it takes is one
740
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,680
punch, right?
It's.
741
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:34,080
Yeah.
It's kind of like with football.
742
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,800
You score, touchdown, OK, Give
the ball to the referee.
743
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,160
Like the great ones like Barry
Sanders.
744
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,120
Here you go.
I act like Carolina before,
745
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:41,840
right?
Yeah, exactly.
746
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,920
You've been there.
This is this is who I am.
747
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,640
My job is to knock you on your
butt.
748
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,080
And, you know, these days I'm
more impressed with somebody who
749
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,960
has that class because it's so
rare, you know, than somebody
750
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,600
that makes up some dance they
do.
751
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,840
Yeah, I'm not as offended as
everybody else at all.
752
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,640
That showboating.
I mean, the over the top stuff I
753
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,640
can't stand, but now I'm so
impressed when someone has what
754
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,440
Chris, you know, just described
as the Barry Sanders approach.
755
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,280
Act like you've been there
before.
756
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,200
Yes, Sir.
If you're and you're going to be
757
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,480
there again, because that's the
other thing with that, right?
758
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,720
You, you've been there before
and you plan on being there
759
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:17,560
again and again and again.
That's my point.
760
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,960
If you think you're that great
that you have to do all that
761
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,760
showboating, then just don't do
it at all because we're going to
762
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,200
see it over and over again,
right?
763
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,800
Yeah, you never know who
watching like this is time for
764
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,480
the place where people can't,
like, be over the top when
765
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,520
they're celebrating.
But you just want, yeah, show in
766
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,160
front of you just want to fight
in front of probably 100 people.
767
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,720
There's no reason to go insane.
I can see if you want like a
768
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:42,000
championship belt.
Yeah.
769
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,040
Oh yeah.
That's a whole.
770
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,960
Yeah, that's a different.
Story exactly.
771
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,200
That's a different yeah.
You win the belt, man.
772
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,640
You better be fucking
celebrating.
773
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,560
That Yeah, If you win a world
title, we better see you
774
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,320
standing on the top rope, Fred.
Yeah.
775
00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:59,200
So for your fight coming up, how
do how do people watch it?
776
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,960
Can they watch it?
Is it something you can stream
777
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,240
online?
Is something you can TuneIn
778
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:03,560
thriller.
TV it's going to be on
779
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,320
pay-per-view on trailer TV.
I'm not sure how much OK it'll
780
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,120
cost, but I know you can stream
it on that app.
781
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,960
That kind of thriller, like
Michael Jackson.
782
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:14,520
Thriller TV.
Thriller.
783
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,920
OK.
A lot of musicians use that app.
784
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,600
OK, yeah, you have to give us,
you have, have have your, your
785
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,520
people give us that link so we
can, we can take a look at it.
786
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,360
Yeah, because that would be fun
to watch you, man, just, you
787
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,000
know, to see you, you know, not
now.
788
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,080
So Rocky never broke his nose
either, right.
789
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,800
And then his first fight with
with Apollo Creed, the first
790
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,840
punch.
Yeah, there's a there's
791
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,200
definitely a lot of lessons on
those movies.
792
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,320
Now, when you're, when you're
standing toe to toe with a guy,
793
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,240
right, I mean, you have a
certain space, right, because
794
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:49,640
the jab, the extension and stuff
like that, you're not like, you
795
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,120
know, typical, everybody knows
typically what boxers do and
796
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,000
things like that.
When you're when you're when
797
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,400
you're looking at the guy like
like in football, I let my son
798
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,640
play football and I so I was one
of the coach of the time and I
799
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,840
would coach the, the
cornerbacks, the defensive backs
800
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,960
and I would, you know, teach
them you, you watch the waste
801
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,080
because the waste shows where
the receivers going, things like
802
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,280
that.
So you don't get Juke and dive
803
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,960
and that kind of jazz.
So when you're boxing and you're
804
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,680
toe to toe with somebody, what
do you focus on?
805
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,640
You focused on on his eyes.
You focused kind of like the
806
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,800
whole picture around him.
Because the speed is what always
807
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,800
intrigues me with that.
The first thing I'm doing is I'm
808
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,360
checking their feet.
I'm seeing it flat footed.
809
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,120
I'm seeing it on his toes.
OK, once on their toes, they're
810
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,160
ready to move.
The ones with flat feet, they
811
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,440
they're not ready to move out of
the way.
812
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,600
I'm going to stand and bang.
OK.
813
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:37,920
Yeah, some of them just flat
feet.
814
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,160
They don't know how to stand at
all.
815
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:42,880
After that I'm checking my range
and like a lot of.
816
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,080
People.
Which is why, Which is why the
817
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,160
jab's so important, right?
The jab sizes up how?
818
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,320
Tall are you?
Once I figure out my range, I'm
819
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,400
listening to my coach.
OK, how tall are you?
820
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,680
I'm 59.
OK.
821
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,760
And what's your weight?
154.
822
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,960
And what's your span?
I forgot I only got those
823
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,480
measures like once.
So here's here's a fun question.
824
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,120
So being 59, is it Do you prefer
fighting somebody taller than
825
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,560
you?
Your heights are shorter than
826
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,000
you.
Everybody want to fight somebody
827
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,280
shorter than.
OK.
828
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,680
And and why?
Yeah, and why it's?
829
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,640
Easy to find your range if you
know how to do that and it just
830
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,520
give you that confidence like
you just so much bigger than
831
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,600
that person.
OK, OK.
832
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,640
But for me, like fighting
somebody taller, I don't get a
833
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,080
lot more leverage than you can,
and I know I can get lower
834
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,120
quicker, yeah.
So you can you can attack the
835
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,880
body easier on a taller opponent
than you can on the shorter one.
836
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,840
Yeah, and people who are slow
from underneath, those are shots
837
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,040
that knock you out and be
explosive enough, like tank.
838
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,400
A lot of tank shots come from
underneath.
839
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,120
Right.
He always catches somebody on
840
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,440
the blind side.
Yeah, yeah.
841
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,240
Which is what that uppercut's so
good, right?
842
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:58,760
Yeah.
And then when like you said,
843
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,920
when you do flurry, so when
you're doing your combinations,
844
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:03,560
is it both hand combinations,
are you focused on one side of
845
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,040
the body or does it depend on
the opponent?
846
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,280
I'll mix it up.
What I was going body, head,
847
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,200
body, head.
So do you get like in baseball,
848
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,920
they can, they can measure the
speed of the baseball right from
849
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,800
the pitcher to the catcher.
Do they measure the speed of
850
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,720
your hands when you're?
When you're that?
851
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,880
Would be pretty cool if they.
Did that would be cool, right?
852
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,160
They don't measure the force of
your punch though, right?
853
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:29,120
Yeah, well, not during the
fight.
854
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,040
Yeah, not during I I could.
Is that what you're asking for?
855
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,760
Is it sounds like?
Yeah.
856
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,720
I've just it's intrigues me how
fast like the the like we talked
857
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:41,600
about earlier, the lower, the
lower weighted weight classes,
858
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,400
the lighter weight.
You watch them do the speed bag,
859
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,640
man, it's out of control.
Yes, that's what I'm talking
860
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,120
about.
Like the speed that the that the
861
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,040
the lighter fighters have has
always been more intriguing to
862
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,560
me than the heavyweights because
the heavyweights tend to be
863
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:54,960
slower.
You know, that's why I want to
864
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,360
watch him fight, because if he's
never been cut, I'm interested
865
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,680
in skillful.
You know, like, whatever
866
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,800
profession it is, if somebody's
developed a way to do it the
867
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,560
right way, I want to watch you
do it the right way.
868
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,760
Yeah, well, obviously you don't
get hit a lot.
869
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,000
Yeah, I'll keep my hands up.
Yeah, they're going to say
870
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:16,240
figure that, yeah.
So you so you you wear glasses?
871
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:17,720
Do you wear contacts in the
ring?
872
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,080
No, I can see like if I took
this off, I can see you guys
873
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,720
pretty clear edges.
OK.
874
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,760
Well, if I back up too far, I
won't be able to read and it's
875
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,040
saying Chris and Mike.
Oh, gotcha.
876
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,920
OK, So you still have perfect
vision as far as being in the
877
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,640
ring without glasses on?
OK, I do.
878
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,560
Gotcha.
Well, I can't see nobody outside
879
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,240
already.
Well, yeah, it doesn't matter.
880
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:39,720
You just got to see the guy in
front of you, right?
881
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,920
I'd be in the same boat.
I can still see up close without
882
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,800
my contacts in, but I can't see.
Far away and I can hear good,
883
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,560
like I can make my own.
I can hear my coach over
884
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,120
everybody.
Really.
885
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,720
No matter how loud to get it, I
can hear my coach.
886
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,200
Yeah, that's cool.
That's kind of like you ever
887
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,520
seen that movie for Love of the
Game?
888
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,680
It's a baseball movie.
OK, So remember when, when, when
889
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,680
he when Coster's on the mound
and he's like, clear the
890
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,200
mechanism and the entire stadium
goes silent?
891
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,880
Isn't that Kevin?
Yeah.
892
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,160
Yeah, yeah, I've seen that.
Yeah.
893
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,920
So is it is it that kind of
concept 'cause that that's
894
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,240
intrigued me when he when he did
that in the in the movie, like
895
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:17,640
what if that's a legit?
That's like tonal Bridger.
896
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,000
Yeah, so it's so that's legit.
So it doesn't matter.
897
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,520
You can have people standing on
their feet cheering like crazy,
898
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,920
screaming, hollering, but you
just, you're so zoned in on your
899
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,240
coach, that's all you hear.
When you say that's how you felt
900
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:31,240
in the middle of a song, you
know on a good set you're not
901
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:33,000
there anymore.
This is true.
902
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:33,840
Yeah.
You get it.
903
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,040
I mean, yeah, but it's a
different thing.
904
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,720
I'm not trying to defend myself,
you know.
905
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,000
No, but you're doing what your
skill set is at that point.
906
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,480
He's just, I think a lot of
people would be fascinated that
907
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,400
he can get to that point in his
head before he gets hit for
908
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:52,960
sure.
Yeah, yeah, well, he doesn't get
909
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,120
hit.
He's already explained that.
910
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,640
That's why he looks so pretty
still.
911
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,880
Well, OK, so before he
potentially gets it.
912
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,640
Right, right.
So you've never been knocked
913
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:03,720
down.
Where have you?
914
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:05,080
I've.
Been knocked down and sparring.
915
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,280
Oh, and sparring, but never in
an actual fight.
916
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:08,600
Never.
In an actual fight, never
917
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,320
somewhat again.
OK, then let me ask.
918
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:10,800
You this?
Yeah.
919
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,320
No, we're not going to wait for
you, dude.
920
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,120
In your losses, were they
technical knockouts?
921
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,800
Were they decisions?
Were they?
922
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:19,880
Not over decisions.
OK.
923
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,080
All decisions.
And all those decisions were
924
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,600
wrong, right?
I say three of them was.
925
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,600
Questionable.
One of them was for sure loss.
926
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,240
I didn't do enough.
I gotcha.
927
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,840
OK, you.
All know the one.
928
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,120
That's humble, man.
But I started developing my
929
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,200
prostyle right And amateurs,
they want you to shoot and Bang,
930
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,200
Bang, Bang, Bang.
Oh, really?
931
00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:45,280
They they care about who the
busiest.
932
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,960
OK.
Obviously skill play a point on
933
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,560
that, but when I developed a
prostyle of boxing I slowed
934
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,400
down.
Like I was more patient picking
935
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:54,640
and choosing when I want to
shoot.
936
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,080
They don't like that in
amateurs.
937
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,160
Now do they want you to be that
way because of the entertainment
938
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,960
value?
They don't want boring fights is
939
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,680
that?
No, it's it's a sport who can
940
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,880
land the most hits and.
They want you.
941
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,080
That's busy.
That's the way their game is
942
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,680
designed for their score.
And we turn pro like everything,
943
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,240
by just a business.
You got to be strategic with
944
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:18,720
everything.
I can see that.
945
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,640
What what do you have as do you
have particular colors that you
946
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,080
that you gravitate to like, you
know, like Tyson always wore the
947
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,360
black shorts and the white
towel.
948
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,280
Do you have the same kind of
colors you always?
949
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,400
Nah I'm mixing it up.
I saw like red and cheetah print
950
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,400
or leopard paint.
My first.
951
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,440
Fight I will baby blue and
white.
952
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:40,240
My last fight and it's fighting
on white wearing all white and
953
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:44,120
silver.
OK, have you ever, have you ever
954
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,200
met any professional boxer that
was just like.
955
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:49,240
Yeah, I mean Roy Jones junior as
a.
956
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:51,440
Case.
I was in Alabama.
957
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,680
Right on.
And I'm in my phone and he come
958
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,280
in AB side locker room like you.
That's pretty much unheard of
959
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,120
for the big guys to come to
speak to the B side.
960
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,720
Then I was in the A side or the
main Carter speed.
961
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:06,480
He came in and was like, what's
up everybody?
962
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,280
And I'm looking at my phone and
I look up and I look back at my
963
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,800
phone and I look up again like,
oh stop, He took a picture with
964
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,160
us and everything.
That's awesome.
965
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,520
That's cool man, how I love
those stories.
966
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,640
That was what, three years ago?
Right on.
967
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,720
Was he?
Was he what you hoped he would
968
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:26,800
be as a human?
For the short time of my time,
969
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,760
you were.
With him, he is a decent dude.
970
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,880
OK.
I've seen him at a celebrity
971
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,280
basketball game when I was
younger, but I never met him.
972
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,120
He had a house here in Sarasota.
OK.
973
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,600
At the time.
OK, it's cool when you meet
974
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,160
somebody that you aspire to be
in their their, they're not
975
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,000
assholes, that they're genuine
humans, you know?
976
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,840
Yeah, you know, everybody's an
asshole.
977
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,120
Some point in their in their in
their rise because, you know,
978
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,600
it's just.
Floyd Floyd walked right past me
979
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,760
one time too.
Yeah, who did?
980
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,360
As a coach, Floyd Mayweather,
and I think it's like Daytona
981
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:05,040
Beach area, he actually dapped
the fighter up who I was
982
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,560
coaching, right with no
hesitation.
983
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,200
Oh cool, that's cool.
That's awesome.
984
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,840
And then did your fighter win?
Oh no, he didn't win that night,
985
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,440
damn it.
That would have been great if he
986
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,040
won too.
They gave they he did a good job
987
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,120
because Floyd was going to
actually sign the fighter who
988
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,080
fought our guy, OK?
And he did enough for Floyd not
989
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,600
to want to sign him anymore.
Wow.
990
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,040
Even though.
We didn't win.
991
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,640
He gave a little upset.
Gotcha, That's fair.
992
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:39,920
You know, So what do you think
about the, the, the scoring in
993
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,680
boxing?
Does it does it warrant the
994
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,080
decisions when it comes down to
it?
995
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,480
Or is, you know, is it, is it
popularity?
996
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,280
Is are they really looking at at
the the punches landing?
997
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,680
Because I think that'd be really
hard to sit there and watch.
998
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,800
What do you do?
10 rounds or 12 rounds?
999
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,200
Well that's probably 6 rounds,
but my first team is 4.
1000
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,520
OK.
So from a six round standpoint,
1001
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,880
you go to the distance, I mean
are are there the judges are on
1002
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,960
what three sides of the ring?
Yes.
1003
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:10,760
OK, how do they, how do they,
how are they counting it?
1004
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,200
Like is there something in their
hands or something where they're
1005
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,280
like they?
Have one of those clickers.
1006
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,320
They just got a good eye and
they that's it.
1007
00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:20,560
They're marking it down.
Whoever they feel on that round,
1008
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,880
they it's a 10/9 like right?
So that's it.
1009
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,800
It's just naked eye.
It's a judgment.
1010
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,440
But a lot of them, before they
become pro judges, they got to
1011
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,160
go through the amateurs too.
Oh, even the ribs.
1012
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,880
They got to go through the
amateurs as well.
1013
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,600
OK, so you got to work your way
up on all levels of the sports.
1014
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,680
You're starting at the bottom
and working your way all the way
1015
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,400
up.
And that's why a lot of those
1016
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,720
judges to be old.
Oh, that makes sense.
1017
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,440
Though.
Let's see that's that.
1018
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,160
Could that be?
Could be a bad thing though
1019
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:55,560
because their their reaction
time is is lower than it was 20
1020
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,640
years ago.
You'll be surprised though, it's
1021
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,000
like a lot of good judges like
they, you know, they've been
1022
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,880
doing it so long when it's like
second hand.
1023
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,040
OK, OK.
I can see that it becomes a
1024
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,880
habit, right?
So they're basically watching
1025
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,720
the fight and just with their
hand, they're they're making
1026
00:49:11,720 --> 00:49:14,040
little ticks on something.
OK.
1027
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:15,680
And.
Then you have every now and then
1028
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,280
you have those questionable
decisions.
1029
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,040
Yes, watching.
Right.
1030
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,160
What were you watching, man?
That's the stuff that drives us
1031
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:24,880
nuts as viewers.
Like, you got to be kidding me
1032
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,800
because there's some fights Mike
and I have talked about and
1033
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,680
watched recently.
You know, it's like how.
1034
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,080
Recently, there's a lot going
on.
1035
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:34,320
Some of those judges be hurrying
boxing.
1036
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,320
Yes, kind of like how LeBron
James is destroying basketball.
1037
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:44,400
Do your job.
Yes, quit falling over when no
1038
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,360
one touches you.
Yes, like she's just, you know.
1039
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,200
And there's video evidence.
No total video evidence.
1040
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,440
They made it so popular man
flopping.
1041
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,800
I think they got it, stole it
from soccer and ran with it.
1042
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,000
Yeah, because I've.
Yeah, soccer has flopped too.
1043
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,320
Good point.
Yeah, yeah, but you know
1044
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,720
flopping needs to stop.
You can't flop in boxing, right?
1045
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:06,000
You just can't fall to the
ground.
1046
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,480
Then you get a standing 8 count
for nothing.
1047
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,520
Yeah, that defeats the purpose
of the sport.
1048
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,360
Man changes to me and said grace
was in his eye.
1049
00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:17,040
Look at that, duty just fell
over.
1050
00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:19,560
That's the first day you got to
go down in history as the first
1051
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:23,280
bouncer to plop.
True.
1052
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,960
Story So let's talk about the
day of fighting.
1053
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,040
We got about 10 minutes left
here.
1054
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,800
So I want to kind of get into
the mindset of that.
1055
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,400
So the day, the day of the
fight, what's your, what's your
1056
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,480
routine?
Because I'm assuming it's, it's
1057
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,400
consistent, right?
Because creature habit, right?
1058
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,960
So the I mean, what's the day of
a fight?
1059
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,200
You wake up at what time and and
just take us through that day
1060
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,960
before the night of the fight.
I'm waking up probably 7-8
1061
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,320
o'clock and.
OK.
1062
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:54,000
I'm eating a good breakfast.
What's a good breakfast?
1063
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,080
What's a good breakfast for you
on fight day?
1064
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,200
Life, anything would lie to you.
Like I'm loading on berries and
1065
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,800
vegetables.
Really.
1066
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,280
Yeah, really loading up on them
things.
1067
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,160
OK, so why?
Why loading up on vegetables and
1068
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:09,960
berries as opposed to to
protein?
1069
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:12,840
Well, I'm really trying to
rehydrate and put those fluids
1070
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,240
back in my body first in the
morning.
1071
00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:16,600
For the weigh in was the day
before.
1072
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:20,240
And we still rehydrating all the
way up into that fight.
1073
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:24,680
So I want to put lights in my
body that morning, probably for
1074
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,680
lunch.
I have like a small chicken
1075
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,800
pasta because my stomach.
You shrink your stomach while
1076
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,200
you're in that wood cutting
process.
1077
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,360
Yeah.
I have like a small chicken
1078
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:38,880
pasta and probably some
broccoli.
1079
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,560
OK.
Maybe our protein shake before I
1080
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,960
get to the venue.
OK, won't eat again until after
1081
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,640
the fight over with.
But prior to that fight, we'd be
1082
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,120
relaxed.
I don't know what they'd be
1083
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:53,600
saying, but I listen to opera
too.
1084
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,000
I listen to opera.
Anything that keep me, you know,
1085
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,640
mellowed out and relax.
Well, I could think Opera.
1086
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,440
Yeah, Opera.
Music.
1087
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,320
People probably think little
baby on headphones or something.
1088
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,360
Nah that's awful.
I don't even know what they
1089
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,200
saying.
They just keep me.
1090
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:14,600
That's.
Cool though, yeah.
1091
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,920
I thought I was the only one
that had my opera sessions.
1092
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,120
No, I yeah, I love classical
music too.
1093
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:22,320
I like everything, really.
Except.
1094
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,400
Except a hardcore rap.
I'm just not a fan, you know?
1095
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,120
I just.
That's what people think I
1096
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,440
listen to all the time.
But I'm being ready to fight.
1097
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,280
I'm I'm a real like I visualize
a lot.
1098
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,120
I could see that you kind of
seem like somebody who would
1099
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,600
totally zone into it and Zen and
just inner peace and just calm.
1100
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,160
You know, I I don't I don't I
haven't seen you fight yet.
1101
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,880
We're going to make that change,
but I I don't imagine you going
1102
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,960
in there like, oh, you just
don't have that demeanor.
1103
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,120
I know I could be wrong.
He.
1104
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,960
Seems very centered.
He just seem, yeah, you do.
1105
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,280
You seem very centric, very in
control of who you are.
1106
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,120
You know that's her cool.
Right on.
1107
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,000
So again, the fight is the 13th.
Yeah, the 13th.
1108
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,280
Right.
And and it's a pay-per-view
1109
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:07,600
event.
What's the what's the venue for
1110
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,440
that?
It's the Hilton downtown Tampa.
1111
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:11,920
OK.
And what are tickets?
1112
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,600
If somebody's in Tampa, they
want to go?
1113
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,360
It's $75.00 for VIP and $50.00
for general admission.
1114
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,440
Right on.
I'm sure they got any tables
1115
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,360
left, but that was a lovely one.
Gotcha, cool.
1116
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,440
Anything else you want to add?
I I just appreciate you guys for
1117
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,120
giving me the opportunity and I.
Appreciate you coming on.
1118
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:32,840
Yeah.
Anybody you want to shout out
1119
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,320
to?
I asked, man.
1120
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,800
He asked.
He been doing a lot for me, you
1121
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:38,960
know.
Ash is cool.
1122
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,720
Yeah, that's how we found you.
Yes, and I asked when somebody
1123
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:44,200
doing me wrong.
Ash don't like it.
1124
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:45,720
He found it.
Right, that's awesome.
1125
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:51,000
Or some like the news here, the
newspapers here didn't do me too
1126
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,480
good and it's not about it like
right away.
1127
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,080
Ash took care of that.
I actually had a real big dude
1128
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,440
that's like my most.
OK, right on.
1129
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,160
Yeah, thank you for by the
garbage.
1130
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,000
This is my brother, man.
Right on.
1131
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:04,120
That's awesome.
Yeah.
1132
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:05,600
And again, Ash is how we found
you.
1133
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,960
So shout out to Ash for coming.
And that's with Absolutely with
1134
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,480
Fred, Ash and Jig.
And he friended both of us on
1135
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,360
Facebook.
So thank you, friend, and us,
1136
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,160
Ash, it's a pleasure to meet you
and thanks for hooking us up
1137
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:17,560
with Fred.
This has been awesome, man.
1138
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,800
We appreciate you coming on too.
Yeah, and you're welcome to come
1139
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,200
back, man.
Let's get you like, you know.
1140
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,200
Yeah.
Let's talk to you after the
1141
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:24,240
fight.
Yeah.
1142
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:26,600
I want to know what went through
your mind and all.
1143
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,200
Yeah, let's do this after the
fight so that you can tell us,
1144
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,720
you know, what fight day was
like, what the fight was like.
1145
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,400
You know, take us through that,
I think.
1146
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,720
That that was a huge.
Boxing fans, man.
1147
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:36,960
Yeah, we are.
Totally, dude.
1148
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:38,440
I mean, it's, it's, I mean, I
grew up.
1149
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,480
I grew up Marvel.
Marvelous Marvin Hagler.
1150
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,000
Tyson.
Tight white, yeah, but.
1151
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:45,760
Tommy.
Tommy Hearns.
1152
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,880
Yeah, yeah, yes, Tommy Hearns,
that's what it was.
1153
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:48,920
Yeah.
Tommy Hitman Hearns.
1154
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,200
Like all those Buster Douglas
Tyson.
1155
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,360
Yeah, Buster Douglas.
That's a bad word.
1156
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:57,840
Tyson should have been ready for
that fight, man.
1157
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,280
He should have been.
He was too busy.
1158
00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:01,520
Hookers and blow man Hookers and
blow.
1159
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,640
The one thing that I got from
Fred on this podcast is how
1160
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,000
focused he is on doing the job,
man.
1161
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,760
And that's what that's what you
got to be.
1162
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,200
You know, people think that
musicians are all drug addicts
1163
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,200
and party animals.
Yeah, there's a little bit to
1164
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,160
that, but there's a lot of work
that goes into being a
1165
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:16,520
professional.
Anything right?
1166
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,960
Exactly.
People don't see that side of it
1167
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,200
so.
Do your do your kids watch you
1168
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:22,600
fight?
Yes.
1169
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,600
They are they like, are they
like, just like, come on, Dad.
1170
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,920
Come on, Dad.
You know, I think my old, my
1171
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,480
oldest one and she would be a
little bit more nervous, but my
1172
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:32,800
5 year old.
Yeah.
1173
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,000
I got videos of her I think she
menace she like.
1174
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,400
That's awesome.
That's great man.
1175
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,280
Just.
Stand up and scream at me like
1176
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,960
I'm not doing enough.
Kids are brutal, man.
1177
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,440
But she want me to get busy.
Sure.
1178
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,680
Good for her.
That's cool.
1179
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,960
That's cool, man.
You're a good man, Fred.
1180
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,040
I appreciate you coming on, man.
And damn.
1181
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,800
Nice to meet you.
Man, Yeah, we got to have you
1182
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,400
back.
We, you know, let's talk again.
1183
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,080
Let's talk some more about
fighting, all that kind of
1184
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:02,640
stuff.
Man.
1185
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,040
You're a good dude.
Send us the stuff because we're
1186
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:06,480
going to watch you.
It's going to be fun.
1187
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,680
I want to see you fight man.
Keep them up right?
1188
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:11,440
Yes, Sir.
That's right.
1189
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,360
There you go.
There you go, man, We appreciate
1190
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:16,200
you.
Be safe out there.
1191
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:17,720
We always wrap our shows up with
that.
1192
00:56:17,720 --> 00:56:20,480
Don't let the bad days win.
So if, if, if anybody out there
1193
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,440
is feeling suicidal and
depressed, don't be that person
1194
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,120
that takes your own life because
somebody's going to miss you.
1195
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,280
Somebody Loves You and and you
don't want to create that hole
1196
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,280
in somebody else's heart.
So reach out, find some help,
1197
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,640
talk to somebody you know that
will listen to you and and just
1198
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,720
be an ear to lean on.
We're no judgement zone here.
1199
00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:37,840
The Chris and Mike show.
We're all about love and and and
1200
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,840
finding common ground with
people, human interest, things
1201
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:41,640
like that.
So we wish you the best of luck
1202
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,760
in your in your fight cup coming
there, Fred, Absolutely great.
1203
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,400
Kick some ass, man, where we're
going to be rooting for you.
1204
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,720
And I'm going to yell at the TV.
If you're not doing, I want you
1205
00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:52,880
to do.
Yeah, best of luck, man.
1206
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:54,440
Like I said, it was damn nice to
meet you.
1207
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:58,080
Thanks again for doing this and
knock him dead man.
1208
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,000
Yeah, we appreciate your time.
Yeah, we appreciate time.
1209
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:02,640
Especially because you're
training for a fight.
1210
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:03,920
So nothing but love from us,
man.
1211
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,920
Nothing but love.
Alright, brother.
1212
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:07,160
Peace.
Peace.
1213
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,120
Have a great day man.
Alright too.
1214
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:35,680
Nice.
This is the place where you will
1215
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,000
go.
Feel the trail behind your eyes,
1216
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:44,480
Feel sob and need yourself.
Take a moment.
1217
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,280
Look until you see him.
Watch the battle.
1218
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,200
That's you boss.
We're Watch the battle.
1219
00:57:52,200 --> 00:58:11,320
But you boss Will, who is this
baby?
1220
00:59:26,570 --> 00:59:28,600
The.
When?
1221
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:33,640
It goes around.
The world you with no creature,
1222
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,320
we don't pray and smile.
You took your breath on the
1223
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:43,880
almighty day, you got a dream.
Who in your life?
1224
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:52,080
The people soul in every day
take the trail behind your eyes
1225
00:59:52,080 --> 01:00:06,760
feel the soul yeah yeah yeah
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah take a
1226
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:12,480
moment listen to you see it
fight the fan over to you most
1227
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:40,440
we.
You gotta, you gotta.
1228
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,760
You gotta, you gotta, you gotta.
00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,560
What's up there, boys and girls?
This is the Chris and Mike show.
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We have a super special guest
today.
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We have Fred Johnson, a boxer
out of Florida is actually
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coming on the show to talk all
things about life and boxing and
5
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being a pugilist.
Welcome, Fred.
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How are you?
Welcome Fred, nice to meet.
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You.
Nice to meet you too.
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How you?
We're good.
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So just so people know, I'm in
Arizona, Mikes in Illinois, and
10
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you're in Florida.
Yes, Sir.
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Right on.
How's Florida today?
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It's been raining all week off
and on.
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Still warm though.
Yeah, yeah.
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It's like it's the armpit of
America, right?
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The humidity.
Yeah.
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What part of Florida are you in?
Calm out of Florida.
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It's like 40 minutes South of
the Tampa.
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Still considering the Bay Area a
little bit.
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OK, right where you're at.
OK.
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OK.
And born and born and raised in
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Florida.
That's where hometown
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everything.
Yes, Sir.
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Right on right on and so give us
a little bit of background on
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you.
You're obviously a boxer get
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litter and just so you know too,
this is at the why we're doing
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this right now.
We're we're we stream live on on
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YouTube, but then we'll also
have we'll have we'll drop this
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whatever lineup we are and all
that kind of jazz.
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So people can re watch this if
they're not able to join the
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YouTube broadcast.
So OK, give us a little bit
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background of who you are as far
as you know, whatever we want to
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talk.
We can talk about personally, we
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can talk about family life.
We can talk about work life.
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We can talk about boxing.
You tell us, introduce yourself,
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and we'll just go from there,
man.
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Well, I'll start off by saying
I'm a pro boxer, cool out of
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palm out of Florida.
I'm a father of two.
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Nice.
My work and mental health.
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So that's.
Cool, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, I've been how long?
Go ahead.
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I was going to ask you how long
you been a boxer.
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Since I was 15.
OK.
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And how old are you now?
36.
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Really.
You don't look 36, man.
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No, I would have never.
I I couldn't have no party life.
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It is a good boxer.
So how so?
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So you've been training
basically into the world of
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boxing for, what is that, 16
years?
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A little longer.
Yeah, OK, right on man.
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And and what's, what division do
you fight in?
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Well, it's a weight.
OK.
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And what's your record in
welterweight?
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I'm two I know as a pro right
now.
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OK, now congratulations.
Yeah, absolutely.
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So here's a question.
How, how because we don't know,
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I don't know the in and outs of
boxing, right and and the
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struggles and things like that.
Like we had somebody on that
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that was knee deep into into
professional wrestling and kind
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of had give us insight with
that.
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So with boxing, how long were
you an amateur boxer before you
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became a professional boxer?
Well, I can't even count how
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many years.
Really.
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I started competitive boxing at
19, but I trained since I was
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15.
OK, so you have 4 years of
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training to become A to start
competitive boxing at 19?
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Actually, you compete when
you're ready.
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Like I was still chasing
football dreams.
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Right, right, right up, man.
Chase and tell me they shut the
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door.
Right.
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Yeah.
Man, I had to make a decision.
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There you go.
So so why?
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Why is there such a long time
being an amateur and and going
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into the pro level?
Because I tell kids like who
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want to turn a pro on boxing, A
lot of people in general, not
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just kids, you got to treat
boxing and amateurs as let's
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say, pee wee football.
You.
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Know.
You got to learn.
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You got to learn the basics of
it, and then from there it is
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high school football.
OK, use that as an example.
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Then you make it to college,
then to the NFL.
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It's kind of like you're saying,
well, you want to build all that
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experience, as much experience
as you can in the amateurs.
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Win, lose or draw right off the
account before you turn on the
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probe.
OK, so how many amateur fights
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have you been in?
56.
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OK.
And what was your what was your
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record as an amateur?
To two and four the.
88
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Hell.
I did.
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I did underwater boxing as well
too.
90
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Wow, what's that?
Under the radar bouncing.
91
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Oh.
OK, So what was your record on
92
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that?
I don't know, it was like every
93
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week.
Wow.
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Explain that.
Explain that for the people.
95
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That don't know.
Is that like, is that like
96
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fight?
Is that like Fight Club?
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You don't talk about Fight Club.
Yeah, it's basically that's what
98
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it is.
So I'm going to get put together
99
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in certain nightclubs.
Yeah.
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00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:48,560
OK.
Wow.
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You you still have all the
gloves and stuff on.
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It's not bare knuckle or
anything like that, nothing
103
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crazy.
Well, we we had our hands
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wrapped.
Even some of the shows had had
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your own.
OK.
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Yeah, it was dangerous, but we
made sure we did the best we
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could to stay safe.
Yeah, of course.
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So how many did you get?
Yeah, Go ahead, Mike.
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Sorry.
Sorry, man.
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You go.
Go ahead.
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Did you get paid at these
fights?
112
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Of course.
Or why else would you do them?
113
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Yeah, cut them.
He asked.
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He you cut off Mike, say again.
Oh, did you get paid at those
115
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fights?
Or, you know, like people would
116
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ask, why else would you do them?
Experience.
117
00:05:28,280 --> 00:05:30,800
Oh, there you go, experience.
So even the amateur level, you
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don't get paid.
Experience.
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OK, so no, he didn't get paid.
OK, wow.
120
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So the so underground boxing's
experience amateur, is that a
121
00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,040
paycheck or is that experience
as well?
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00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,200
Amateur boxing is legit
experience.
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OK.
Wow.
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Because that's certified, right?
That's a certified organization
125
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rules, OK.
That's crazy man.
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So.
So 16 years until you became a
127
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pro?
16 years of experience but not
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making a dime from doing it.
Hundreds of fights because he
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says he can count the other
ones.
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Right, right.
So you got to be like it.
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Like what?
What 80 plus knockouts say we
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have 100 fights.
You're like 80 plus knockout
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guy.
See.
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That's see, so to me, that's
amazing that it it took you that
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long to break into the pro
level. 2017.
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Musicians, man. 2017 I
originally turned pro but.
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OK.
I dealt with some mental things
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after the show that I was
originally supposed to be on.
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Damn falling through.
I was already battling mental
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issues like prior to going into
that fight and when I fight it
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didn't go through, which is like
pretty much hung out the gloves
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for a little bit.
Gotcha.
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I actually just got back into it
last year.
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OK, OK.
Like when I hung out the gloves
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I dripped it into.
Actually, that's when I started
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working in mental health.
OK.
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And what do you what do you do
in the mental health field?
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I have background with that too.
I worked.
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OK, cool.
So you work like behavioral
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types type stuff like that.
Yeah, but I've been, I had some
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time in that field too.
So I I know what that's like for
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sure.
And from now I started giving
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back, you know, coaching kids, a
lot of kids.
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And I eventually ended up pro
boxing coach.
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I told you Aston Muscle Gravel,
that's the first pro I've
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trained.
OK, right on.
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So I'm sure Mike and I both have
the same question.
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What does it feel like getting
hit in the face, in the nose, in
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a boxing ring?
In the beginning, I'm going to
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take you in front of the
beginning.
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In the beginning, Well, what the
hell is that?
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You know what?
I mean right, if you get popped
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the right way that's how you
feel but if you in a zone and
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your adrenaline rushing it's you
don't really feel it.
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Let me ask you this, did you
play baseball?
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I played baseball 2 years when I
was a kid.
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Did you ever get hit by the
ball?
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I got nipped in the air.
OK, so I got just pelted and
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like the first time it was, it
took me forever to get back in
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the batter's box, right?
But once somebody explains to
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you, you already know what to
expect.
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It seems different after that,
right?
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Is that what getting hit in the
face is like repeatedly?
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You just know what's coming.
Yeah, I mean the stuff you see
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coming, that's that due to less
damage, it's what you don't see
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that takes us too long into the
works.
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The blind side, that's that's
where Mike Tyson's, you know,
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uppercut that comes out of
nowhere.
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That's why he dropped people
with that shit, because they
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weren't expecting it.
I've been fortunate enough to
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experience that in sparring, so
I won't experience that in my
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real fights.
I've been parked a couple times
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in my real fights, but I really
haven't been taking much
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punishment.
That's good.
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Do you approach?
Do you approach the when you get
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into the ring?
Do you approach it more from a
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defensive standpoint, waiting
for your moment to to be
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offensive and aggressive?
Yeah, I'm a I'm a counter
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puncher we call.
I stayed to like the art of bars
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and well, the way my close train
me is hit and not get hit, you
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know?
Right there's there's I.
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Got you right.
And I'm I'm taking off.
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Yeah, that's there's a today
would be the best approach as a
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boxer man, defensively and
counter punching boxer as
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opposed to, you know, the great,
late, great Muhammad Ali just
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dope on a rope.
You know, that's the punishment
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you don't want to take.
So growing up, did you have any
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any any boxers that you idolize
that you aspire to become like?
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Well, first it was Roy Jones
Junior, but I learned quick,
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like as my coach taught me a
lot.
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I learned this guy breaking
every single rule of boxing and
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getting away with it because
because of his speed, you know
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Roy Jones is certain athletes or
boxers you can't really coach.
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Just like Curry with that crazy
3 pointer.
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Right, right, right.
Some things you just have.
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And join one of those guys and
learning the art.
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I really watched a lot of Andre
Ward, Floyd Mayweather and Penel
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Whitaker.
OK, yeah, old school man.
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What about you?
Consider Floyd Mayweather, the
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master of not getting hit.
Yeah, that's.
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Yeah.
One of the greatest?
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That's not the greatest
defensive fighter of all time.
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I agree.
Yeah I I would agree with that
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too 100% and that's why his
fights are boring.
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You took the words right out of
my mouth.
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People are going to say that his
fights are boring and as a
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student, how you look at it?
As a student, it's amazing.
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I agree with that for sure,
Fred.
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Yes.
Go ahead.
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No, I was just there, I was just
reinforcing that fact.
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You're you're a student of, of
the sport, you know, like you
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said, how you were coached and
stuff.
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So I could see that.
I could see how you would
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appreciate Mayweather's fights.
And and because he was, I mean,
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to me from a, from a viewing
standpoint, you know, you want
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the, you want the knockout
punch.
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You want, I like say I like the
lighter weight weight belts or
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weight classes just because they
tend, they're more aggressive in
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the ring.
There's more movement.
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I heard there's that.
Yeah, right.
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Yeah, a lot more punching in the
in the lighter weights.
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What's you mentioned football
earlier So, so and you still
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pursuing that dream, What what
are you doing with that?
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Are you trying out for teams and
stuff like that?
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Oh no, that was before dripping
into boxing.
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I'm still a I'm still a
teenager.
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I'm glad to please.
Gotcha.
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Yeah, I was playing semi pro for
the brightest and Gladiators
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beta, Southwest Florida
Gladiators now, but that was it,
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you know?
Did you play?
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Did you play football and
baseball and stuff throughout
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high school?
Like I just played football in
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high school.
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And certain situation with a new
coach kind of really shifted my
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path into the boxing gym.
OK, So what was it?
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What was it?
Explain to us, give us like some
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insight of your first of your
first professional fight.
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What was what was that like?
I mean, the emotion, the
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adrenaline, you know, the stage,
all that kind of jazz, you know,
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because you might obviously Mike
and our fighters to kind of walk
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us through that journey and what
it feels like to step into that
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ring knowing you're going to go
toe to toe with that dude.
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After doing it so much in
amateurs, I had a lot of
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experience.
So with that and then dripping
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into being a coach and then
going into camp, I'm going into
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camp after all of that.
OK.
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I had some real hard sparring.
Yeah, there's one guy in
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particular, Sonny dude who said
he another pro boxer, he's from
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Avon Parkway.
He was training out of Sarasota,
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FL OK, put me down a couple
times.
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He really showed me, OK, this
what the pros going to be like,
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you know, so.
He showed you the next level.
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Yeah, basically that's what that
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That's what that was from there.
I think the preparation that I
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went through to get ready for
this fight.
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I usually think that people have
butterflies and all that nervous
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stuff.
I didn't like my trainer
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prepared me and I had a real
good camp, so I was ready.
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OK.
So would you say you were very
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centered on that night?
Yes, I got yeah, I was real
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calm.
But people like the way to fight
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was it was a bloodbath and
people was like looking at me as
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a monster.
But I I wasn't like black and
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out or angry, not once because
everything was connected for me
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and where.
Was this fight at?
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The van waves on the side, so
the Florida.
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OK, I was right by the water.
Can we, is this something we can
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we can go on YouTube and watch?
Not the fight, but I could send
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you the videos.
Oh, that.
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'D be cool.
Yeah, I'd like to see it.
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Man, that'd be awesome.
That'd be cool.
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So then this is your first
professional fight we're talking
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about.
Yes, Sir.
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Right.
And who was that against again?
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Brian, I forgot his name.
When you beat the guy, when you
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beat the guy, you don't remember
the name, right?
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It's I just kicked.
Brian nice guy though.
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Nice guy.
I know his name was Brian.
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Get his last name.
Yeah, yeah.
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So here's another, here's
another.
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And Mike, feel free to chime in
with all questions you have too,
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because so when you're boxing,
when you step into that ring,
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it's all business, right?
It's got to be business.
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You, you got your game plan, you
got your everything you're
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supposed to do.
Listen to your coaches all kind
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of jazz like you just kind of
explained that you had your
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camp, you were ready.
And so before the fight you meet
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just like weighing stuff like
that, right?
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Do you really get to know the
person you're going to fight or
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is more just like your
opponent's gladiator style?
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And after the fights over, do
you?
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You know what?
I mean you crossed paths but
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you're not really finna rub
elbows with your partner before
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the fight.
It was actually doing some scare
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tactics trying to.
Yeah.
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It was weird.
Yeah, you got to, you got to do
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that Tyson Stair, right?
You just want to intimidate.
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Yeah, it.
It didn't work.
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It was like, I don't know if you
see, like, the scary movies, you
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see, like Michael Myers and then
look away and look at him again.
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He disappeared.
Yeah.
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It was like stuff like that he
was doing.
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OK.
Oh, this really?
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That's a great description.
That's funny.
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That's funny.
So is it so like I know when in
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professional sports like
basketball, football, baseball,
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not so much baseball, but
basketball and football going
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from from collegiate level,
which we can kind of call
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amateur, right, Going from
amateur to pro, the speed is, is
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that much more as a pro, right?
Like with football, you can have
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an amazing athlete, college
football athlete, right?
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Then it comes to the pros and
just falls flat because of the
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speed and the timing is so
different between the two.
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Is it is?
Is it the same with boxing from
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an amateur to pro level?
It's actually two different
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levels and the amateurs you got
novice level, which is like your
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first ten fights.
That's like then you go open.
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Once you go open you fighting
anybody from who had between 10
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to maybe 300 fights.
Those are both sanctioned
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divisions.
USA boxer Yeah, obviously you
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want to get into the way you're
competing on a national level.
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Well, I just want people to
understand you're fighting at a
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pro level, just a semi pro level
at that point, right?
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You know, you're calling it
amateur and I think that gets
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misunderstood sometimes.
These are sanctioned divisions
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within the pro league.
You just well, if it's like
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wider League Baseball versus pro
baseball.
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Yeah, basically.
It's still a pro.
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Basically when you go open you
fighting guys with ton of
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experience, you you hope that
you get matched with a guy who
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had somewhere around the same
amount of fights as you.
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But I don't know, that way you
might be finding a guy who just
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won nationals 2 years in a way
on a row.
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Just fall in the Olympics, you
know?
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Yeah.
You can go like that when you go
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open.
So when you so when you're
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openly fighting, you still had
how many knockouts as an
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amateur?
I had.
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When I went open, I had just two
knockouts.
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I didn't know I wasn't one of
those guys who lift weights.
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I was just sold out for skill.
I didn't start pulling people
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down until I added strength and
conditioning.
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Oh really?
Yeah.
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Interesting.
So, so before that, would you
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say you were more of you relied
on your defensive skill set to
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wear people down?
Yeah.
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I'll throw a lot of punches.
OK, A.
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00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,040
Lot of punches, you know, they
they had a little bit of sting
359
00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,080
on them, but I didn't want them
not to make you go to sleep.
360
00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:47,560
Gotcha.
And then?
361
00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,400
You wore them down offensively
then, OK.
362
00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,600
And then once you added the
strength and conditioning did
363
00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,600
that your, your sting got a
little bit more stingy, right?
364
00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,720
Then I I started settling down a
little bit more too, like, OK,
365
00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,520
this feels kind of good.
OK, because you had more, you
366
00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,520
had more power behind your
punches then, so you didn't have
367
00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,560
to throw as many punches to have
the and having a greater impact
368
00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:09,960
then?
Correct.
369
00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,120
And when just like any sport,
you got to develop into your
370
00:18:14,120 --> 00:18:18,760
grown manpower, sure.
You know that didn't start
371
00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,280
happening for me.
Talk about 2324.
372
00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:26,120
OK.
What age did you go from the
373
00:18:26,120 --> 00:18:29,560
what you called the Peewee
League to the Open League?
374
00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,160
23 I think so.
So you got 23 when you went into
375
00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,480
the Open League and then what
age was your first professional
376
00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:46,160
fight?
3035 last year wow right where
377
00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,000
am I?
I had that gap or yeah, athletic
378
00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,640
boxing so.
It's just what I want people to
379
00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,880
understand and what I'm
impressed with is just, I don't
380
00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:57,920
know any other way to put it
with but your stick to
381
00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,000
itiveness.
You know, just that.
382
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,880
Your tenacity to not guess,
that's the word I was looking at
383
00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,520
for you know, I'm impressed with
your tenacity to never give up
384
00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,880
on your dream.
Yeah, because that's a long
385
00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,080
time.
It's a long time chasing
386
00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,480
something and just to get, I
mean, you did take some time
387
00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:18,680
off, so go ahead.
Giving back, you know, it kind
388
00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,600
of like brought me back to the
sport.
389
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,760
Yeah, helping fuel.
We had it, we had a gentleman on
390
00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,240
earlier today that his whole
thing was a project finds your
391
00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,360
fire.
And that's the basically is it
392
00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:32,440
kind of is what it sounds.
It's it's, it's helping someone
393
00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,960
find what what they absolutely
love to do in life.
394
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,280
So that carries them, you know,
all other aspects of the light,
395
00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,320
not just their thing.
So obviously boxing is is
396
00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,280
something that you're very
passionate about because you
397
00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,160
again, like over 16 years of
your life, you've dedicated to
398
00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,040
the sport and you're still here
talking in a very eloquent way.
399
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,120
So you've obviously not been hit
in the head very much.
400
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,360
No, I haven't took many.
I've never been cut.
401
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,680
I've never been.
Yeah, I've never been out.
402
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,400
Never.
Never broke your nose?
403
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:03,800
I ain't.
Never broke my knock.
404
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,440
I would.
I'm not kidding you, man.
405
00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,080
Now I want to see some of your
fights.
406
00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,720
Yeah, because.
That says a lot to, you know,
407
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,720
Chris and I, we're not blowing
smoke.
408
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,080
We both love watching boxing.
Yeah, yeah.
409
00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,960
Like we were disappointed with
the Tyson and and Logan Paul
410
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,000
fight.
It's like, come on, man.
411
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,200
Then you hear all the back
nonsense that it was all you
412
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,960
know.
Yeah, it's pretty sweet.
413
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,160
I think Tyson deserved that type
of payday won last time.
414
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,720
I agree 100%.
We agreed on that.
415
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he's actually, he was just
416
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,800
in Arizona yesterday.
They're instituting a thing in
417
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,880
Arizona with kids and physical
education.
418
00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:41,200
I didn't.
I didn't dive deep into the
419
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,080
story, but it was something that
came across with Tyson and and
420
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,920
the Arizona schools working on a
physical fitness program for
421
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,440
kids, which is cool.
You know, it's all about me.
422
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:50,800
Mike and I are all about giving
back too.
423
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,480
So the fact that you now from a
coaching standpoint with your
424
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,640
coaching kids and stuff like
that, kind of helping them
425
00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:01,000
achieve their dreams.
Yeah, a lot of them come and go,
426
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,640
but a lot of kids, they come in
and gym like just like me, like
427
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,840
how I was.
I just just a little damaged
428
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,520
kid, you know, that didn't have
nowhere to put that aggression
429
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:13,440
out.
Right.
430
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,480
Yeah, something like boxing.
Talk a little bit about that,
431
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,880
Fred, that how important boxing
is to kids who have no other
432
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,520
choice.
A lot of people don't understand
433
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,520
that this probably saved your
life.
434
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,360
Would you not agree with that?
Yeah, it definitely dropped in
435
00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:29,800
my path.
I don't know where I was going
436
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,520
to go, but I could tell you I
didn't find out where I was
437
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,600
going to go without boxing.
And there's a lot of kids like
438
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:37,200
that, right?
A.
439
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,200
Lot and they don't have no
outlet.
440
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,520
A lot of them don't even know
about boxing and don't even know
441
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,160
boxing is a odds now.
See, that's crazy, especially in
442
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,560
in, in the the time we live in
with how social media is so
443
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,240
prevalent everywhere and you
have access to everything.
444
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,760
It's it's taken this huge world
and just shrunk it down to your
445
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,520
palm right where you can Google
anything.
446
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,200
Is it, is it because they don't
think it's it's it's it's a,
447
00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:08,280
it's a an option because of cost
or because of location or it
448
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,120
kind of expand a level?
Because it could be cost,
449
00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:16,000
location, it could be how they
look like.
450
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,000
A lot of kids obese.
So I can never do something like
451
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:20,880
that.
But they don't know.
452
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,800
I just got to go in there and
start doing it.
453
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,360
I can lose weight.
I can get in shape.
454
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,240
Well, George Foreman.
Yeah.
455
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,520
And then you got some kids who
only know as far as social media
456
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,520
on YouTube Go, they see somebody
like J Carl, like, oh, I can't
457
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,800
do that.
You got to be rich, you know?
458
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,720
OK.
Yeah, I get that.
459
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,200
I didn't think about that from
that approach.
460
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,600
Yeah, because because the size
really doesn't matter from a
461
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,560
boxing stack, because I mean,
the Foreman, what was his name?
462
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,840
Butter Bean that that, you know,
that hit that dude was huge,
463
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,200
right?
Somebody like Benavidez, he was,
464
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,040
he just fought Canelo and he was
about 15.
465
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,480
He was huge like butterball,
right?
466
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,400
That's yeah.
So it's it's, yeah.
467
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,880
Yeah, Boston, Boston do a lot of
for kids, but places like
468
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:10,400
jujitsu and Maui Tai Taekwondo,
those would be in the front of
469
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,560
the city, you know, boxing pack
tucked away somewhere.
470
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,520
Gotcha.
Because the whole M&AUFC
471
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,400
culture.
Yeah, like Muay Thai and
472
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,160
Taekwondo a little bit more
popular, you know, so they'll be
473
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,200
in a Plaza next to a Publix or
something like that.
474
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,760
And right boxing and being
warehouse somewhere where you
475
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,680
got to really search for there's
not really an open for everybody
476
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,320
to know handsome boxing gym
right there.
477
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:40,480
So it's almost become a second
class society because of MMA.
478
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,520
No, I wouldn't say that.
It's just boxing.
479
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,320
Always been tough dunks like
that.
480
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,040
Oh, it's always been that way.
OK, I didn't know that that
481
00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:51,200
that's.
Crazy and and you.
482
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,000
Got to go in the inner city to
find like a.
483
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,600
See you do because, because
I've, I've been faster with
484
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,360
boxing forever.
And I always thought train doing
485
00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:01,760
the I always thought that the
training behind being a boxer
486
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,560
would be just an epic workout to
do on a consistent basis because
487
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,360
it's a full body thing.
Like it's, it's, it's not just
488
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,600
cardio, right, because the
weights and the discipline and
489
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,640
the hand eye coordination.
But you can't, I can't.
490
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,760
The only boxing gyms I've ever
found are 45 minutes to an hour
491
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,960
away from me.
So it's, it's, you know, it's
492
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,240
like, and then they open one up
in, in in the East Valley where
493
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,640
I live.
But it was for women like you.
494
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:29,800
The whole thing was catered for
What?
495
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,000
Because I I just.
Yeah, I want to do something
496
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,240
like that.
They making to kill it.
497
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,360
Women are oh for those.
People making box and fitness
498
00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:40,640
gyms like.
Absolutely because again,
499
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,760
there's nothing where I live
right now, there's nothing.
500
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,080
There was one that popped up.
We had a we had a guest on.
501
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,600
She's part owner Alicia Shields
Mike of a gym called Box Out.
502
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,160
But everything you see on them
social media wise, it's it's all
503
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,360
women.
There's no men.
504
00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:58,800
So walking in there as a guy
would be awkward like, oh, which
505
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,160
one of you are going to fight?
But I can't hit a woman.
506
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,560
And then those guns don't be set
up like that.
507
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,120
Just need just fitness like
Title boxing.
508
00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:08,280
I don't know if you'll have that
there.
509
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,920
Title boxing.
Mayweather even drifted into the
510
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,200
fitness boxing germs.
Well, Mayweather, if he touches,
511
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:21,840
turns to gold, you know.
So how long you been married or
512
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,280
are you married?
I'm in a relationship.
513
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,320
OK, OK, OK.
And how old are your kids?
514
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,560
Oh my God, an 11 year old and a
five year old should be 6 August
515
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,520
8th.
OK, right now I have a grandson
516
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:35,840
that's 5 1/2.
So I feel you.
517
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,440
They're they're a blast at that
age.
518
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,680
Grandson, you look my age.
Thank you.
519
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,160
Thank you.
I just turned 55 and I've just
520
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,640
turned 55 in March.
I'm done.
521
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:52,040
I look like I'm 36.
See ya, I'm going to tell my
522
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:57,800
wife that, honey.
I'm only going to be 23 and I
523
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,760
look like I'm 62.
No, I'm just kidding.
524
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,080
I'll be 52 in August.
It's so you have a fight coming
525
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,200
up, right Fred?
Yeah, it's next Friday in Tampa.
526
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,800
OK.
And who you and who you fight
527
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,840
next Friday in Tampa.
They just replaced my opponent
528
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,440
it.
Was because he's scared of you.
529
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,480
I don't want to fight.
I don't want to fight action jig
530
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:20,520
man.
I'm going to get my ass kicked,
531
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,120
right?
So he balanced.
532
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,920
Yeah, this is Raul or something.
I got to look and scare family.
533
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,560
So, so from a preparation
standpoint, when they switch
534
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,120
your opponent, like do you watch
film and stuff of who you're
535
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:34,720
boxing?
So you kind of know they're.
536
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:36,520
Yeah.
OK.
537
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,760
So when they switch your
opponent, how does that, how
538
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,280
much does that mess with your
training and your game plan?
539
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,440
Not too much.
It take me in my trainer
540
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,800
probably like a day.
Sometimes it take my trainer
541
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,720
like 30 minutes to figure out we
need to do this that, this and
542
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,480
the 3rd to get a job done.
Let me.
543
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,880
Ask you this.
That's why I do a better check
544
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,520
man.
Do you have right on?
545
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,880
Do you have the?
Option to not fight if they do
546
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,640
that inside a week.
Yes.
547
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,520
OK, so now it'd be the balls in
your court.
548
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,200
You can say yes or no to the new
opponent because.
549
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,480
Well, it's always in your, the
thing about the probes, you can
550
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:24,480
make a decision if you're not
signed with a major, a major
551
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,800
emotion company.
I mean, sometimes you got to
552
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,240
trust who they put in front of
you.
553
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,320
But I'm pretty much independent,
so.
554
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,760
OK.
I'm a part of all my decisions
555
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:35,320
that I make.
Oh.
556
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:36,760
That's good.
That's awesome.
557
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,680
Yeah, because I kind of, I don't
know if this is act or not, but
558
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,120
it seems like Oscar De La Hoya,
that kind of started that whole
559
00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:44,960
trend where where you're the
boxer and you can be the
560
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,760
promoter and and you're the, you
know, the Golden Boy production.
561
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,560
So that way the boxer,
rightfully so, especially
562
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,480
someone on your journey, right,
almost 16 plus years, you should
563
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,040
get all the pieces of all the
puzzle because you're the one in
564
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,440
there, you know?
Not you, of course, because
565
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,880
nobody touches you, you know,
but you should.
566
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,080
That's that's the thing, right?
You should make the money, you
567
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,080
should reap the benefits from
promotions and and management,
568
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,880
all that kind of jazz, because
you're the product.
569
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,920
So why not have it
all-encompassing?
570
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,320
You know action jig promotions,
right?
571
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,560
Well, it's not my promotion
company.
572
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,000
You have some promotions are
pretty fair, right?
573
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,440
There should be a percentage of
the ticket sales guarantee
574
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,880
purse.
That's cool.
575
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,400
I'm good at.
So when you're dealing with good
576
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,040
people like that, they look out
for.
577
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,040
Is there is there still Don
Kings out there in the world
578
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,600
that just just for lack of
better term, just everywhere you
579
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,920
rape the boxers.
They're everywhere still.
580
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,440
Really.
Yeah, they're everywhere.
581
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:47,160
That sucks, man.
And that's just that's so, so,
582
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,360
so a boxer latching on to
someone like him.
583
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,840
That's just, that's just they're
trying to, you know, kind of
584
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,520
selling their soul to get to
that upper, to that next level.
585
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,160
And they feel like that's the
only way they're going to get
586
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,000
there.
It can be that way.
587
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,720
Hopefully he changed, you know?
Yeah, Yeah.
588
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,520
Hopefully.
Learn from his mistakes.
589
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:04,440
Like dead people?
Yeah.
590
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,280
But you're saying that that kind
of personality is still super
591
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,120
prevalent in the Boston?
World they say it's like just
592
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,160
like the music industry like
it's just Trump familiar with
593
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,200
that the next been staying
getting milked there man.
594
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,480
We're going to the next like
when in boxing, if you lose a
595
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,480
few times, it's like basically
send you right back to the
596
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,600
bottom and a lot of promoters
don't want to deal with that.
597
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,680
They ready to move on to the
next best thing.
598
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,240
That sucks.
So there's no, there's no they
599
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,440
don't, they don't back like you
just talked about with music
600
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,840
like back 20 years ago, you
invest in them in a band, you
601
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,920
help them grow.
You, you say the, you know, the
602
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,200
foundations, all that kind of
just now it's like, OK, I need
603
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,000
one song.
Give me one song.
604
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,080
And then and then a year from
now you're just done.
605
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:48,720
See you later.
Bye.
606
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,920
As long as you win, you can make
20 sounds.
607
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,320
Well, it's funny that he yeah,
it's funny he brings that up
608
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,200
because I just heard that on a
podcast I was listening to that
609
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,280
I was unaware of that, Fred,
that in the boxing world, you
610
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,480
cannot lose in MMA, you can lose
a couple times and you can still
611
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:11,360
keep trajectorying up, right?
You're on the upward path in the
612
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,000
boxing world.
If you lose one time, you could
613
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,880
be done.
If you lose 2 times, you're for
614
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,120
surely done I.
Didn't depend on who you lost
615
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,960
against.
If you lost again, it's like a
616
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,320
world champion, like a Canelo.
You still got, you still got
617
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,560
levers to yeah, 'cause.
You lost a world champion, It's
618
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,240
not like you lost to me, but.
You lose against Billy Joe from
619
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:39,120
Papa John's.
I don't think we could push you
620
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,400
out too much.
I don't think, Mr. Mark, you too
621
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,720
good.
Yeah, so when it comes to when
622
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,560
it comes to your fight on on
what was it the 13th or 16th
623
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,640
the. 13th.
The 13th are you the where you
624
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,680
at in the card is because now
you're a pro.
625
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,080
Are you an undercard?
Yeah, I'm on network.
626
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,400
OK.
It's a it's a popularity thing
627
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,440
at this point.
Oh OK so the more fights you do
628
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,000
as a pro the more popular you
can become and then you start
629
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,400
moving?
The more they can promote and
630
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,640
push you out in the public,
that's who the crowd coming to
631
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,800
see most of the time.
But I got a pretty good
632
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,440
following home.
Right on, right on.
633
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:24,080
Channel 10 and Channel 8 News
just did a story on me.
634
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,720
But I think I saw something of
that when you you were in the
635
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,000
boxing gym.
Yeah, that's awesome.
636
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,280
That is awesome.
How many, how many, how many
637
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,880
sparring partners do you have
when you're training for a
638
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,280
fight?
It could be from 2, it could be
639
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,800
the tenant.
OK, do you do you spar every
640
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,360
day?
Tuesday and Thursdays and
641
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,360
Saturdays with sparring days.
But I started overnight job, so
642
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,480
I got a right.
Yeah, I do.
643
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:53,880
Different days.
OK.
644
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,480
And the other days, what are you
doing?
645
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,920
Just conditioning, strength
work, cardio OK.
646
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,480
Just a lot of craft in.
OK, so, so again, just so people
647
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,520
can wrap their head around
stuff, so we're going to, we're
648
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,240
going to Rocky, right?
The the world famous movie,
649
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,680
Rocky, the first one, not all
the ones after the fact, like
650
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,560
all the training and stuff, the
running and all that.
651
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,640
Shit's kind of real at a certain
extent, right?
652
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,240
Yeah, it's, it's pretty much.
I don't you're doing the same
653
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,160
thing every day.
OK.
654
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,200
And then after that, you're
doing the same thing again every
655
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:25,800
day.
Every day.
656
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,080
But but that's the thing though,
you're, you're, you have to be
657
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,240
in top physical condition to
step to the ring, right?
658
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,120
Yes, Sir.
That's what we did everyday.
659
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,680
We practiced.
Yeah, Yeah.
660
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,000
I think that's the part that in
a situation like this that
661
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:48,720
people need to understand is how
many hours you put into, you
662
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,880
know, what do they say, 10,000
hours for the hour that they saw
663
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,240
you fight.
You know.
664
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,360
You're talking pregame, the
fight, after the fight.
665
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,800
You know people see that glory
of yours for an hour, they see
666
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,600
an hour of your life.
They don't see the 10,000 hours
667
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,200
that went.
Into my last fight I was
668
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,240
training like I'd say 4 to 5
hours a day.
669
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,040
Wow for 2 1/2 months and it was
over 4 minutes.
670
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,560
I stopped the second round one
minute.
671
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,640
Did you knock him down?
Yeah, yeah.
672
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,680
How'd that feel?
How'd that feel when knocking?
673
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,200
Like like throwing a punch and
then seeing your opponent just
674
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,560
drop.
It was a flurry.
675
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,680
I threw a flurry that made him
quick and I thought the referee
676
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,440
was going to let him get up.
Yeah.
677
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,520
And he waved it off.
OK.
678
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,160
I saw what I wanted to throw
out, everybody wanted.
679
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,600
I was highlight knockouts.
I saw what I wanted to throw,
680
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,560
but there's a freeway to fight
off.
681
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,800
OK, right on.
And so you just, and then all of
682
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,080
a sudden he's down.
Yeah.
683
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,560
So, so, so you're stepping back
looking at that, right.
684
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,200
You're still probably just
dancing a little bit freaking.
685
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,160
Just adrenaline's going through
the roof.
686
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,200
Are you just like in your head
Like yeah man, that knocked you
687
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,480
on your ass?
No, I stepped back Like people
688
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,680
thought like I stomped.
Like I stomped off.
689
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,440
People thought like I was
celebrating.
690
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,400
I was more disappointed because
I saw the overhand right that I
691
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,199
wanted to throw.
I wanted referee to just, you
692
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:14,480
understand, the 8 lbs and I
don't get back up.
693
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,360
Yeah.
You know about those highlight
694
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,760
knockouts that be viral, you
know?
695
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,159
Well, yeah, because that's going
to increase your popularity,
696
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,239
right?
There's the other side of it
697
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,400
that people don't see is that
disappointment on your face was
698
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,480
just you at war with yourself,
not your opponent, right?
699
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,199
They thought I was celebrating
when I when I started to.
700
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,800
Yeah, See, Chris and I will say
the same thing.
701
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,080
It's like we'll make horrible
mistakes in the middle of our
702
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,040
set and then we'll ask the
people that see us play every
703
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,560
night and that's like we didn't
hear anything, you know, like
704
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,040
the people don't understand.
It's like at that level, you're
705
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,400
not.
You're in more competition with
706
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,800
yourself than you even are your
opponent, right?
707
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,000
And the people be more
entertained than you realize.
708
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because what you, yeah, because
709
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,400
what you do isn't is it's
entertaining for sure.
710
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:09,800
I mean, that's the whole point
of it, right?
711
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,200
You're putting on a show.
So if you ever so if you ever
712
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,200
had one of those those those
punches thrown that just you
713
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,040
know, it's just you know, tree
falling in the woods, just one
714
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,400
hit, one shot.
Yeah, I had a.
715
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,200
And how does that feel?
Because you got a little smile
716
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,760
when I asked that.
Well, yeah, I got with him.
717
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,320
It felt good.
I'm still remember the first
718
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,960
time I put somebody down on my.
Punch.
719
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,400
Yeah, well, what kind of punch
was it?
720
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,800
It was a body shot.
OK.
721
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,960
Oh, really?
Yeah, it was a body shot, you
722
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:39,960
know.
To the ribs.
723
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,400
Yeah, to the oblique area.
I reached down to help him up
724
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,040
and well, he was one of my
mentors trying to Smith.
725
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,000
He wasn't on boxing around here.
He kind of freaked out, you
726
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,440
know, like what you doing?
We don't do that.
727
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,160
We don't help nobody up.
We go to, you know, wait on the
728
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,520
ribs to do his job.
That's what type of person I was
729
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,400
at the time.
But as it start happening more I
730
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,920
just walk off because.
You have to, right?
731
00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:10,200
That day, he told me you go to
the corner where in the room
732
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,440
that that's like in my head,
like you'll see me walk off when
733
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,360
I drop somebody on the videos
I'm seeing.
734
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:19,240
You Well, yeah, I mean, you
know, most boxers aside from
735
00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:21,960
some of them, the showboating
ones would would like you said,
736
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,840
you just you drop the guy, you
walk away and I I guess that's
737
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,560
kind of more respect for the
sport, right?
738
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:28,760
Like you're not going to
showboat.
739
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,760
Look at me.
Because all it takes is one
740
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,680
punch, right?
It's.
741
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:34,080
Yeah.
It's kind of like with football.
742
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,800
You score, touchdown, OK, Give
the ball to the referee.
743
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,160
Like the great ones like Barry
Sanders.
744
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,120
Here you go.
I act like Carolina before,
745
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:41,840
right?
Yeah, exactly.
746
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,920
You've been there.
This is this is who I am.
747
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,640
My job is to knock you on your
butt.
748
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,080
And, you know, these days I'm
more impressed with somebody who
749
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,960
has that class because it's so
rare, you know, than somebody
750
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,600
that makes up some dance they
do.
751
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,840
Yeah, I'm not as offended as
everybody else at all.
752
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,640
That showboating.
I mean, the over the top stuff I
753
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,640
can't stand, but now I'm so
impressed when someone has what
754
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,440
Chris, you know, just described
as the Barry Sanders approach.
755
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,280
Act like you've been there
before.
756
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,200
Yes, Sir.
If you're and you're going to be
757
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,480
there again, because that's the
other thing with that, right?
758
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,720
You, you've been there before
and you plan on being there
759
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:17,560
again and again and again.
That's my point.
760
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,960
If you think you're that great
that you have to do all that
761
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,760
showboating, then just don't do
it at all because we're going to
762
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,200
see it over and over again,
right?
763
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,800
Yeah, you never know who
watching like this is time for
764
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,480
the place where people can't,
like, be over the top when
765
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,520
they're celebrating.
But you just want, yeah, show in
766
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,160
front of you just want to fight
in front of probably 100 people.
767
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,720
There's no reason to go insane.
I can see if you want like a
768
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:42,000
championship belt.
Yeah.
769
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,040
Oh yeah.
That's a whole.
770
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,960
Yeah, that's a different.
Story exactly.
771
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,200
That's a different yeah.
You win the belt, man.
772
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,640
You better be fucking
celebrating.
773
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,560
That Yeah, If you win a world
title, we better see you
774
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,320
standing on the top rope, Fred.
Yeah.
775
00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:59,200
So for your fight coming up, how
do how do people watch it?
776
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,960
Can they watch it?
Is it something you can stream
777
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,240
online?
Is something you can TuneIn
778
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:03,560
thriller.
TV it's going to be on
779
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,320
pay-per-view on trailer TV.
I'm not sure how much OK it'll
780
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,120
cost, but I know you can stream
it on that app.
781
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,960
That kind of thriller, like
Michael Jackson.
782
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:14,520
Thriller TV.
Thriller.
783
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,920
OK.
A lot of musicians use that app.
784
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,600
OK, yeah, you have to give us,
you have, have have your, your
785
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,520
people give us that link so we
can, we can take a look at it.
786
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,360
Yeah, because that would be fun
to watch you, man, just, you
787
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,000
know, to see you, you know, not
now.
788
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,080
So Rocky never broke his nose
either, right.
789
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,800
And then his first fight with
with Apollo Creed, the first
790
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,840
punch.
Yeah, there's a there's
791
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,200
definitely a lot of lessons on
those movies.
792
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,320
Now, when you're, when you're
standing toe to toe with a guy,
793
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,240
right, I mean, you have a
certain space, right, because
794
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:49,640
the jab, the extension and stuff
like that, you're not like, you
795
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,120
know, typical, everybody knows
typically what boxers do and
796
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,000
things like that.
When you're when you're when
797
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,400
you're looking at the guy like
like in football, I let my son
798
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,640
play football and I so I was one
of the coach of the time and I
799
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,840
would coach the, the
cornerbacks, the defensive backs
800
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,960
and I would, you know, teach
them you, you watch the waste
801
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,080
because the waste shows where
the receivers going, things like
802
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,280
that.
So you don't get Juke and dive
803
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,960
and that kind of jazz.
So when you're boxing and you're
804
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,680
toe to toe with somebody, what
do you focus on?
805
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,640
You focused on on his eyes.
You focused kind of like the
806
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,800
whole picture around him.
Because the speed is what always
807
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,800
intrigues me with that.
The first thing I'm doing is I'm
808
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,360
checking their feet.
I'm seeing it flat footed.
809
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,120
I'm seeing it on his toes.
OK, once on their toes, they're
810
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,160
ready to move.
The ones with flat feet, they
811
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,440
they're not ready to move out of
the way.
812
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,600
I'm going to stand and bang.
OK.
813
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:37,920
Yeah, some of them just flat
feet.
814
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,160
They don't know how to stand at
all.
815
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:42,880
After that I'm checking my range
and like a lot of.
816
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,080
People.
Which is why, Which is why the
817
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,160
jab's so important, right?
The jab sizes up how?
818
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,320
Tall are you?
Once I figure out my range, I'm
819
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,400
listening to my coach.
OK, how tall are you?
820
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,680
I'm 59.
OK.
821
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,760
And what's your weight?
154.
822
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,960
And what's your span?
I forgot I only got those
823
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,480
measures like once.
So here's here's a fun question.
824
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,120
So being 59, is it Do you prefer
fighting somebody taller than
825
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,560
you?
Your heights are shorter than
826
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,000
you.
Everybody want to fight somebody
827
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,280
shorter than.
OK.
828
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,680
And and why?
Yeah, and why it's?
829
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,640
Easy to find your range if you
know how to do that and it just
830
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,520
give you that confidence like
you just so much bigger than
831
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,600
that person.
OK, OK.
832
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,640
But for me, like fighting
somebody taller, I don't get a
833
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,080
lot more leverage than you can,
and I know I can get lower
834
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,120
quicker, yeah.
So you can you can attack the
835
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,880
body easier on a taller opponent
than you can on the shorter one.
836
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,840
Yeah, and people who are slow
from underneath, those are shots
837
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,040
that knock you out and be
explosive enough, like tank.
838
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,400
A lot of tank shots come from
underneath.
839
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,120
Right.
He always catches somebody on
840
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,440
the blind side.
Yeah, yeah.
841
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,240
Which is what that uppercut's so
good, right?
842
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:58,760
Yeah.
And then when like you said,
843
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,920
when you do flurry, so when
you're doing your combinations,
844
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:03,560
is it both hand combinations,
are you focused on one side of
845
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,040
the body or does it depend on
the opponent?
846
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,280
I'll mix it up.
What I was going body, head,
847
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,200
body, head.
So do you get like in baseball,
848
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,920
they can, they can measure the
speed of the baseball right from
849
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,800
the pitcher to the catcher.
Do they measure the speed of
850
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,720
your hands when you're?
When you're that?
851
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,880
Would be pretty cool if they.
Did that would be cool, right?
852
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,160
They don't measure the force of
your punch though, right?
853
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:29,120
Yeah, well, not during the
fight.
854
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,040
Yeah, not during I I could.
Is that what you're asking for?
855
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,760
Is it sounds like?
Yeah.
856
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,720
I've just it's intrigues me how
fast like the the like we talked
857
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:41,600
about earlier, the lower, the
lower weighted weight classes,
858
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,400
the lighter weight.
You watch them do the speed bag,
859
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,640
man, it's out of control.
Yes, that's what I'm talking
860
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,120
about.
Like the speed that the that the
861
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,040
the lighter fighters have has
always been more intriguing to
862
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,560
me than the heavyweights because
the heavyweights tend to be
863
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:54,960
slower.
You know, that's why I want to
864
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,360
watch him fight, because if he's
never been cut, I'm interested
865
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,680
in skillful.
You know, like, whatever
866
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,800
profession it is, if somebody's
developed a way to do it the
867
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,560
right way, I want to watch you
do it the right way.
868
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,760
Yeah, well, obviously you don't
get hit a lot.
869
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,000
Yeah, I'll keep my hands up.
Yeah, they're going to say
870
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:16,240
figure that, yeah.
So you so you you wear glasses?
871
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:17,720
Do you wear contacts in the
ring?
872
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,080
No, I can see like if I took
this off, I can see you guys
873
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,720
pretty clear edges.
OK.
874
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,760
Well, if I back up too far, I
won't be able to read and it's
875
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,040
saying Chris and Mike.
Oh, gotcha.
876
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,920
OK, So you still have perfect
vision as far as being in the
877
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,640
ring without glasses on?
OK, I do.
878
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,560
Gotcha.
Well, I can't see nobody outside
879
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,240
already.
Well, yeah, it doesn't matter.
880
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:39,720
You just got to see the guy in
front of you, right?
881
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,920
I'd be in the same boat.
I can still see up close without
882
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,800
my contacts in, but I can't see.
Far away and I can hear good,
883
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,560
like I can make my own.
I can hear my coach over
884
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,120
everybody.
Really.
885
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,720
No matter how loud to get it, I
can hear my coach.
886
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,200
Yeah, that's cool.
That's kind of like you ever
887
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,520
seen that movie for Love of the
Game?
888
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,680
It's a baseball movie.
OK, So remember when, when, when
889
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,680
he when Coster's on the mound
and he's like, clear the
890
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,200
mechanism and the entire stadium
goes silent?
891
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,880
Isn't that Kevin?
Yeah.
892
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,160
Yeah, yeah, I've seen that.
Yeah.
893
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,920
So is it is it that kind of
concept 'cause that that's
894
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,240
intrigued me when he when he did
that in the in the movie, like
895
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:17,640
what if that's a legit?
That's like tonal Bridger.
896
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,000
Yeah, so it's so that's legit.
So it doesn't matter.
897
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,520
You can have people standing on
their feet cheering like crazy,
898
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,920
screaming, hollering, but you
just, you're so zoned in on your
899
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,240
coach, that's all you hear.
When you say that's how you felt
900
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:31,240
in the middle of a song, you
know on a good set you're not
901
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:33,000
there anymore.
This is true.
902
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:33,840
Yeah.
You get it.
903
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,040
I mean, yeah, but it's a
different thing.
904
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,720
I'm not trying to defend myself,
you know.
905
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,000
No, but you're doing what your
skill set is at that point.
906
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,480
He's just, I think a lot of
people would be fascinated that
907
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,400
he can get to that point in his
head before he gets hit for
908
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:52,960
sure.
Yeah, yeah, well, he doesn't get
909
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,120
hit.
He's already explained that.
910
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,640
That's why he looks so pretty
still.
911
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,880
Well, OK, so before he
potentially gets it.
912
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,640
Right, right.
So you've never been knocked
913
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:03,720
down.
Where have you?
914
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:05,080
I've.
Been knocked down and sparring.
915
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,280
Oh, and sparring, but never in
an actual fight.
916
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:08,600
Never.
In an actual fight, never
917
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,320
somewhat again.
OK, then let me ask.
918
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:10,800
You this?
Yeah.
919
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,320
No, we're not going to wait for
you, dude.
920
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,120
In your losses, were they
technical knockouts?
921
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,800
Were they decisions?
Were they?
922
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:19,880
Not over decisions.
OK.
923
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,080
All decisions.
And all those decisions were
924
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,600
wrong, right?
I say three of them was.
925
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,600
Questionable.
One of them was for sure loss.
926
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,240
I didn't do enough.
I gotcha.
927
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,840
OK, you.
All know the one.
928
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,120
That's humble, man.
But I started developing my
929
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,200
prostyle right And amateurs,
they want you to shoot and Bang,
930
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,200
Bang, Bang, Bang.
Oh, really?
931
00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:45,280
They they care about who the
busiest.
932
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,960
OK.
Obviously skill play a point on
933
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,560
that, but when I developed a
prostyle of boxing I slowed
934
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,400
down.
Like I was more patient picking
935
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:54,640
and choosing when I want to
shoot.
936
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,080
They don't like that in
amateurs.
937
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,160
Now do they want you to be that
way because of the entertainment
938
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,960
value?
They don't want boring fights is
939
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,680
that?
No, it's it's a sport who can
940
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,880
land the most hits and.
They want you.
941
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,080
That's busy.
That's the way their game is
942
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,680
designed for their score.
And we turn pro like everything,
943
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,240
by just a business.
You got to be strategic with
944
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:18,720
everything.
I can see that.
945
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,640
What what do you have as do you
have particular colors that you
946
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,080
that you gravitate to like, you
know, like Tyson always wore the
947
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,360
black shorts and the white
towel.
948
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,280
Do you have the same kind of
colors you always?
949
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,400
Nah I'm mixing it up.
I saw like red and cheetah print
950
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,400
or leopard paint.
My first.
951
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,440
Fight I will baby blue and
white.
952
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:40,240
My last fight and it's fighting
on white wearing all white and
953
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:44,120
silver.
OK, have you ever, have you ever
954
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,200
met any professional boxer that
was just like.
955
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:49,240
Yeah, I mean Roy Jones junior as
a.
956
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:51,440
Case.
I was in Alabama.
957
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,680
Right on.
And I'm in my phone and he come
958
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,280
in AB side locker room like you.
That's pretty much unheard of
959
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,120
for the big guys to come to
speak to the B side.
960
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,720
Then I was in the A side or the
main Carter speed.
961
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:06,480
He came in and was like, what's
up everybody?
962
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,280
And I'm looking at my phone and
I look up and I look back at my
963
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,800
phone and I look up again like,
oh stop, He took a picture with
964
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,160
us and everything.
That's awesome.
965
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,520
That's cool man, how I love
those stories.
966
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,640
That was what, three years ago?
Right on.
967
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,720
Was he?
Was he what you hoped he would
968
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:26,800
be as a human?
For the short time of my time,
969
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,760
you were.
With him, he is a decent dude.
970
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,880
OK.
I've seen him at a celebrity
971
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,280
basketball game when I was
younger, but I never met him.
972
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,120
He had a house here in Sarasota.
OK.
973
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,600
At the time.
OK, it's cool when you meet
974
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,160
somebody that you aspire to be
in their their, they're not
975
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,000
assholes, that they're genuine
humans, you know?
976
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,840
Yeah, you know, everybody's an
asshole.
977
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,120
Some point in their in their in
their rise because, you know,
978
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,600
it's just.
Floyd Floyd walked right past me
979
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,760
one time too.
Yeah, who did?
980
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,360
As a coach, Floyd Mayweather,
and I think it's like Daytona
981
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:05,040
Beach area, he actually dapped
the fighter up who I was
982
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,560
coaching, right with no
hesitation.
983
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,200
Oh cool, that's cool.
That's awesome.
984
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,840
And then did your fighter win?
Oh no, he didn't win that night,
985
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,440
damn it.
That would have been great if he
986
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,040
won too.
They gave they he did a good job
987
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,120
because Floyd was going to
actually sign the fighter who
988
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,080
fought our guy, OK?
And he did enough for Floyd not
989
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,600
to want to sign him anymore.
Wow.
990
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,040
Even though.
We didn't win.
991
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,640
He gave a little upset.
Gotcha, That's fair.
992
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:39,920
You know, So what do you think
about the, the, the scoring in
993
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,680
boxing?
Does it does it warrant the
994
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,080
decisions when it comes down to
it?
995
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,480
Or is, you know, is it, is it
popularity?
996
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,280
Is are they really looking at at
the the punches landing?
997
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,680
Because I think that'd be really
hard to sit there and watch.
998
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,800
What do you do?
10 rounds or 12 rounds?
999
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,200
Well that's probably 6 rounds,
but my first team is 4.
1000
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,520
OK.
So from a six round standpoint,
1001
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,880
you go to the distance, I mean
are are there the judges are on
1002
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,960
what three sides of the ring?
Yes.
1003
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:10,760
OK, how do they, how do they,
how are they counting it?
1004
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,200
Like is there something in their
hands or something where they're
1005
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,280
like they?
Have one of those clickers.
1006
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,320
They just got a good eye and
they that's it.
1007
00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:20,560
They're marking it down.
Whoever they feel on that round,
1008
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,880
they it's a 10/9 like right?
So that's it.
1009
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,800
It's just naked eye.
It's a judgment.
1010
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,440
But a lot of them, before they
become pro judges, they got to
1011
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,160
go through the amateurs too.
Oh, even the ribs.
1012
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,880
They got to go through the
amateurs as well.
1013
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,600
OK, so you got to work your way
up on all levels of the sports.
1014
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,680
You're starting at the bottom
and working your way all the way
1015
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,400
up.
And that's why a lot of those
1016
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,720
judges to be old.
Oh, that makes sense.
1017
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,440
Though.
Let's see that's that.
1018
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,160
Could that be?
Could be a bad thing though
1019
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:55,560
because their their reaction
time is is lower than it was 20
1020
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,640
years ago.
You'll be surprised though, it's
1021
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,000
like a lot of good judges like
they, you know, they've been
1022
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,880
doing it so long when it's like
second hand.
1023
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,040
OK, OK.
I can see that it becomes a
1024
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,880
habit, right?
So they're basically watching
1025
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,720
the fight and just with their
hand, they're they're making
1026
00:49:11,720 --> 00:49:14,040
little ticks on something.
OK.
1027
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:15,680
And.
Then you have every now and then
1028
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,280
you have those questionable
decisions.
1029
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,040
Yes, watching.
Right.
1030
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,160
What were you watching, man?
That's the stuff that drives us
1031
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:24,880
nuts as viewers.
Like, you got to be kidding me
1032
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,800
because there's some fights Mike
and I have talked about and
1033
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,680
watched recently.
You know, it's like how.
1034
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,080
Recently, there's a lot going
on.
1035
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:34,320
Some of those judges be hurrying
boxing.
1036
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,320
Yes, kind of like how LeBron
James is destroying basketball.
1037
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:44,400
Do your job.
Yes, quit falling over when no
1038
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,360
one touches you.
Yes, like she's just, you know.
1039
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,200
And there's video evidence.
No total video evidence.
1040
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,440
They made it so popular man
flopping.
1041
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,800
I think they got it, stole it
from soccer and ran with it.
1042
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,000
Yeah, because I've.
Yeah, soccer has flopped too.
1043
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,320
Good point.
Yeah, yeah, but you know
1044
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,720
flopping needs to stop.
You can't flop in boxing, right?
1045
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:06,000
You just can't fall to the
ground.
1046
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,480
Then you get a standing 8 count
for nothing.
1047
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,520
Yeah, that defeats the purpose
of the sport.
1048
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,360
Man changes to me and said grace
was in his eye.
1049
00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:17,040
Look at that, duty just fell
over.
1050
00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:19,560
That's the first day you got to
go down in history as the first
1051
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:23,280
bouncer to plop.
True.
1052
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,960
Story So let's talk about the
day of fighting.
1053
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,040
We got about 10 minutes left
here.
1054
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,800
So I want to kind of get into
the mindset of that.
1055
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,400
So the day, the day of the
fight, what's your, what's your
1056
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,480
routine?
Because I'm assuming it's, it's
1057
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,400
consistent, right?
Because creature habit, right?
1058
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,960
So the I mean, what's the day of
a fight?
1059
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,200
You wake up at what time and and
just take us through that day
1060
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,960
before the night of the fight.
I'm waking up probably 7-8
1061
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,320
o'clock and.
OK.
1062
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:54,000
I'm eating a good breakfast.
What's a good breakfast?
1063
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,080
What's a good breakfast for you
on fight day?
1064
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,200
Life, anything would lie to you.
Like I'm loading on berries and
1065
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,800
vegetables.
Really.
1066
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,280
Yeah, really loading up on them
things.
1067
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,160
OK, so why?
Why loading up on vegetables and
1068
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:09,960
berries as opposed to to
protein?
1069
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:12,840
Well, I'm really trying to
rehydrate and put those fluids
1070
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,240
back in my body first in the
morning.
1071
00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:16,600
For the weigh in was the day
before.
1072
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:20,240
And we still rehydrating all the
way up into that fight.
1073
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:24,680
So I want to put lights in my
body that morning, probably for
1074
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,680
lunch.
I have like a small chicken
1075
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,800
pasta because my stomach.
You shrink your stomach while
1076
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,200
you're in that wood cutting
process.
1077
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,360
Yeah.
I have like a small chicken
1078
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:38,880
pasta and probably some
broccoli.
1079
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,560
OK.
Maybe our protein shake before I
1080
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,960
get to the venue.
OK, won't eat again until after
1081
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,640
the fight over with.
But prior to that fight, we'd be
1082
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,120
relaxed.
I don't know what they'd be
1083
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:53,600
saying, but I listen to opera
too.
1084
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,000
I listen to opera.
Anything that keep me, you know,
1085
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,640
mellowed out and relax.
Well, I could think Opera.
1086
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,440
Yeah, Opera.
Music.
1087
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,320
People probably think little
baby on headphones or something.
1088
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,360
Nah that's awful.
I don't even know what they
1089
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,200
saying.
They just keep me.
1090
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:14,600
That's.
Cool though, yeah.
1091
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,920
I thought I was the only one
that had my opera sessions.
1092
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,120
No, I yeah, I love classical
music too.
1093
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:22,320
I like everything, really.
Except.
1094
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,400
Except a hardcore rap.
I'm just not a fan, you know?
1095
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,120
I just.
That's what people think I
1096
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,440
listen to all the time.
But I'm being ready to fight.
1097
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,280
I'm I'm a real like I visualize
a lot.
1098
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,120
I could see that you kind of
seem like somebody who would
1099
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,600
totally zone into it and Zen and
just inner peace and just calm.
1100
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,160
You know, I I don't I don't I
haven't seen you fight yet.
1101
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,880
We're going to make that change,
but I I don't imagine you going
1102
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,960
in there like, oh, you just
don't have that demeanor.
1103
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,120
I know I could be wrong.
He.
1104
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,960
Seems very centered.
He just seem, yeah, you do.
1105
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,280
You seem very centric, very in
control of who you are.
1106
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,120
You know that's her cool.
Right on.
1107
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,000
So again, the fight is the 13th.
Yeah, the 13th.
1108
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,280
Right.
And and it's a pay-per-view
1109
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:07,600
event.
What's the what's the venue for
1110
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,440
that?
It's the Hilton downtown Tampa.
1111
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:11,920
OK.
And what are tickets?
1112
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,600
If somebody's in Tampa, they
want to go?
1113
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,360
It's $75.00 for VIP and $50.00
for general admission.
1114
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,440
Right on.
I'm sure they got any tables
1115
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,360
left, but that was a lovely one.
Gotcha, cool.
1116
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,440
Anything else you want to add?
I I just appreciate you guys for
1117
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,120
giving me the opportunity and I.
Appreciate you coming on.
1118
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:32,840
Yeah.
Anybody you want to shout out
1119
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,320
to?
I asked, man.
1120
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,800
He asked.
He been doing a lot for me, you
1121
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:38,960
know.
Ash is cool.
1122
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,720
Yeah, that's how we found you.
Yes, and I asked when somebody
1123
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:44,200
doing me wrong.
Ash don't like it.
1124
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:45,720
He found it.
Right, that's awesome.
1125
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:51,000
Or some like the news here, the
newspapers here didn't do me too
1126
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,480
good and it's not about it like
right away.
1127
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,080
Ash took care of that.
I actually had a real big dude
1128
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,440
that's like my most.
OK, right on.
1129
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,160
Yeah, thank you for by the
garbage.
1130
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,000
This is my brother, man.
Right on.
1131
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:04,120
That's awesome.
Yeah.
1132
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:05,600
And again, Ash is how we found
you.
1133
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,960
So shout out to Ash for coming.
And that's with Absolutely with
1134
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,480
Fred, Ash and Jig.
And he friended both of us on
1135
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,360
Facebook.
So thank you, friend, and us,
1136
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,160
Ash, it's a pleasure to meet you
and thanks for hooking us up
1137
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:17,560
with Fred.
This has been awesome, man.
1138
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,800
We appreciate you coming on too.
Yeah, and you're welcome to come
1139
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,200
back, man.
Let's get you like, you know.
1140
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,200
Yeah.
Let's talk to you after the
1141
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:24,240
fight.
Yeah.
1142
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:26,600
I want to know what went through
your mind and all.
1143
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,200
Yeah, let's do this after the
fight so that you can tell us,
1144
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,720
you know, what fight day was
like, what the fight was like.
1145
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,400
You know, take us through that,
I think.
1146
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,720
That that was a huge.
Boxing fans, man.
1147
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:36,960
Yeah, we are.
Totally, dude.
1148
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:38,440
I mean, it's, it's, I mean, I
grew up.
1149
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,480
I grew up Marvel.
Marvelous Marvin Hagler.
1150
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,000
Tyson.
Tight white, yeah, but.
1151
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:45,760
Tommy.
Tommy Hearns.
1152
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,880
Yeah, yeah, yes, Tommy Hearns,
that's what it was.
1153
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:48,920
Yeah.
Tommy Hitman Hearns.
1154
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,200
Like all those Buster Douglas
Tyson.
1155
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,360
Yeah, Buster Douglas.
That's a bad word.
1156
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:57,840
Tyson should have been ready for
that fight, man.
1157
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,280
He should have been.
He was too busy.
1158
00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:01,520
Hookers and blow man Hookers and
blow.
1159
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,640
The one thing that I got from
Fred on this podcast is how
1160
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,000
focused he is on doing the job,
man.
1161
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,760
And that's what that's what you
got to be.
1162
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,200
You know, people think that
musicians are all drug addicts
1163
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,200
and party animals.
Yeah, there's a little bit to
1164
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,160
that, but there's a lot of work
that goes into being a
1165
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:16,520
professional.
Anything right?
1166
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,960
Exactly.
People don't see that side of it
1167
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,200
so.
Do your do your kids watch you
1168
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:22,600
fight?
Yes.
1169
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,600
They are they like, are they
like, just like, come on, Dad.
1170
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,920
Come on, Dad.
You know, I think my old, my
1171
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,480
oldest one and she would be a
little bit more nervous, but my
1172
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:32,800
5 year old.
Yeah.
1173
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,000
I got videos of her I think she
menace she like.
1174
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,400
That's awesome.
That's great man.
1175
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,280
Just.
Stand up and scream at me like
1176
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,960
I'm not doing enough.
Kids are brutal, man.
1177
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,440
But she want me to get busy.
Sure.
1178
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,680
Good for her.
That's cool.
1179
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,960
That's cool, man.
You're a good man, Fred.
1180
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,040
I appreciate you coming on, man.
And damn.
1181
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,800
Nice to meet you.
Man, Yeah, we got to have you
1182
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,400
back.
We, you know, let's talk again.
1183
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,080
Let's talk some more about
fighting, all that kind of
1184
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:02,640
stuff.
Man.
1185
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,040
You're a good dude.
Send us the stuff because we're
1186
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:06,480
going to watch you.
It's going to be fun.
1187
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,680
I want to see you fight man.
Keep them up right?
1188
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:11,440
Yes, Sir.
That's right.
1189
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,360
There you go.
There you go, man, We appreciate
1190
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:16,200
you.
Be safe out there.
1191
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:17,720
We always wrap our shows up with
that.
1192
00:56:17,720 --> 00:56:20,480
Don't let the bad days win.
So if, if, if anybody out there
1193
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,440
is feeling suicidal and
depressed, don't be that person
1194
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,120
that takes your own life because
somebody's going to miss you.
1195
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,280
Somebody Loves You and and you
don't want to create that hole
1196
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,280
in somebody else's heart.
So reach out, find some help,
1197
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,640
talk to somebody you know that
will listen to you and and just
1198
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,720
be an ear to lean on.
We're no judgement zone here.
1199
00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:37,840
The Chris and Mike show.
We're all about love and and and
1200
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,840
finding common ground with
people, human interest, things
1201
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:41,640
like that.
So we wish you the best of luck
1202
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,760
in your in your fight cup coming
there, Fred, Absolutely great.
1203
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,400
Kick some ass, man, where we're
going to be rooting for you.
1204
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,720
And I'm going to yell at the TV.
If you're not doing, I want you
1205
00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:52,880
to do.
Yeah, best of luck, man.
1206
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:54,440
Like I said, it was damn nice to
meet you.
1207
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:58,080
Thanks again for doing this and
knock him dead man.
1208
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,000
Yeah, we appreciate your time.
Yeah, we appreciate time.
1209
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:02,640
Especially because you're
training for a fight.
1210
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:03,920
So nothing but love from us,
man.
1211
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,920
Nothing but love.
Alright, brother.
1212
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:07,160
Peace.
Peace.
1213
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,120
Have a great day man.
Alright too.
1214
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:35,680
Nice.
This is the place where you will
1215
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,000
go.
Feel the trail behind your eyes,
1216
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:44,480
Feel sob and need yourself.
Take a moment.
1217
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,280
Look until you see him.
Watch the battle.
1218
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,200
That's you boss.
We're Watch the battle.
1219
00:57:52,200 --> 00:58:11,320
But you boss Will, who is this
baby?
1220
00:59:26,570 --> 00:59:28,600
The.
When?
1221
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:33,640
It goes around.
The world you with no creature,
1222
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,320
we don't pray and smile.
You took your breath on the
1223
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:43,880
almighty day, you got a dream.
Who in your life?
1224
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:52,080
The people soul in every day
take the trail behind your eyes
1225
00:59:52,080 --> 01:00:06,760
feel the soul yeah yeah yeah
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah take a
1226
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:12,480
moment listen to you see it
fight the fan over to you most
1227
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:40,440
we.
You gotta, you gotta.
1228
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,760
You gotta, you gotta, you gotta.