#111 - Carl Perera - Music, Malaysia, & The Machines That Move Us

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I don't know
me and I could just listen that

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song all day.
We.

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Could we Could just.
Play that back to rap and and

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just you know, and then all our
songs we should just we just

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have a podcast.
We play all our songs, that's

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all we do.
We just introduce the song and

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sit back and jam and just rock
out because you know how cool

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that be we.
Could actually we could actually

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make that happen.
Let's make that happen, man.

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Let's have just a Chris and Mike
Rock'n'roll show.

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You know, just just the music,
man.

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The music saves the masses,
right?

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We'll do that.
The music saves the world.

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So we had a guest scheduled and
we rescheduled him and I had

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something that's going to pop on
and I haven't been able to

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connect with them, so hopefully
they still chime in.

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So we're back to the basics the
way it all started.

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Back to the basics of love,
let's go to Lukenbach, Texas

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with Waylon and Willy and the
boy.

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That's a great song.
That is a great song.

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This successful life we're
living, it's got a student like

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the hat.
He, he was, he died and and died

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in Arizona.
He's buried at the Mesa

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Cemetery.
Yeah, when I first moved there,

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there was a guy that lived about
four doors down and he

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remembered going and seeing him
playing the bars in Arizona

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with.
See, I wish I would have known

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that, dude.
That would have been cool,

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right?
Yes.

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He told me some great stories.
Man, just to just to well share,

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share Waylon Jennings Arizona
bar playing story Mike for our

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our viewing audience on YouTube.
Well, it was more, it was more

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just the fact that like, you
know, he was that much old.

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He was probably 60 at the time.
So he was really been there done

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that as far as you know, every
guys were nobody when I saw him.

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You know, he he saw him go from
the only people that knew him

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were Arizona.
You know, they toured around New

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Mexico, Texas, the Southwest
basically in in the beginning.

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So they get, they both got their
start in that part of the

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country and that's the only part
of the country that knew him at

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that time.
Well.

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They were young men then.
OK, so I don't know if you know

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this or not, but Waylon Jennings
was actually a backup guitarist

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for Buddy Holly and the
Crickets.

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I seem to have heard that at one
point in time and I had

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forgotten the fact.
So, true story, the night that

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the music died, when the plane
crashed, Buddy Holly and Waylon

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got in a fight because Waylon
didn't want to ride on a bus.

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And they were just like, well,
Buddy Holly's the star, this

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other dude, what Big Bopper?
Big Bopper the other and the

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other guy that died, they were
the stars.

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So they got to go to the plane.
Everybody else had to ride the

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bus.
Unfortunately, here you are.

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Waylon Jennings lived a lot
longer than Buddy Holly did.

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The night that Stevie Ray
Vaughan died, Eric Clapton was

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supposed to be on that
helicopter, but his manager had

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never met Stevie Ray.
Oh fuck dude, that would have

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been catastrophic.
Yeah, we could have lost both of

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them.
Wow, that's the reason.

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That's the only reason why Eric
wasn't on it, because his

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manager didn't know him.
That was the story I heard back

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in the day.
Now if you Google it, that could

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have been urban myth, I don't
know.

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But Eric Clapton was definitely
there that night because it was

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one of those guitar festival
deals.

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So like Buddy Guy, Eric Clapton,
Stevie Ray, Jimmy Vaughn, they

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were all there.
Some kind of Blues Festival.

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I think it was Clapton's first.
He does like a yearly Blues

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Festival.
I think that was one of the

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first ones was in Alpine Valley,
Wisconsin.

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Oh, that's where the plane took
off.

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Yeah, so when it was a
helicopter.

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Oh yeah, I'm sorry.
My bad.

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And it flew into fog, which is
against, I think, visual flight

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rules for a helicopter.
It's not supposed to fly into

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dense fog.
You know, you've been to the

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Midwest.
There's no mountains here.

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It was in the sight of a hill.
It.

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Flew into Oh yeah, it's a
pretty.

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Good sized hill, but I mean it's
still a hill.

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Yeah, well, that's that's the
the reason Kobe Bryant's no

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longer with us.
Correct.

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You know, stay out of
helicopters.

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Yeah, well, unless it's clear,
unless there's clear skies, you

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know, I don't know if you can't,
if you can't see the the world

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in front of you, don't, don't
get a hell, don't get in a

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plane.
If, for that matter, if you

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can't see what's going on around
you, there's no point in jumping

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on the aircraft, man.
At least they got autopilot and

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you know you can keep the thing
moving In a jet helicopter you

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just straight to the ground if
something bad happens.

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Yeah, but.
Even autopilot does.

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Will autopilot adjust from
hitting a mountain or will just?

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Alert you.
Good question.

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We need to get a.
Pilot on the We need to get a

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pilot.
Hold on, hold on, pilot.

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I know a pilot.
I know a pilot.

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Let me see what he's doing.
Like legit.

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This is how these things happen,
ladies and gentlemen.

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We just start talking and
strange, strange things happen.

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Somebody knows somebody.
Is this sound?

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Hey, Carl, what are you doing
right now?

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Carl, we're reaching.
Out to Carl, I know Carl the

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pilot.
He's also realtor.

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I met him at A at a marketing
shoot, I don't know, 3-4 months

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ago and he's like, dude, you
want to go to my plane, let me

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know.
I'm like right on dude.

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I haven't taken a law on it.
But now that we're sitting here,

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I don't know It's it's it's I'm
sure just a little a little

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flyer plane.
This is this is Carl the

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realtor.
And for those of you can't see,

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I'm showing a picture of a of a
human wearing a Gray suit jacket

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with a white shirt.
Dapper, very dapper.

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You like that?
I don't.

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I don't know what nationality
Carl is, but you know, he kind

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of looks like somebody from the
the Middle East, I want to say,

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but I don't.
Want to say probably get.

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Away.
Oh, there's Carl.

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There's Carl.
Hey, dude.

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He's got a full head of hair.
He does.

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Hey, so we're on my podcast
right now and we just started

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talking about a flying in
helicopters and planes and shit.

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You want to jump on our show and
have a conversation?

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This is like real raw relevant.
This is as.

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Real, raw and relevant as you
get.

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It's almost as good as somebody
calling in.

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Right, right.
We'll see what he says.

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He's like I'm just working from
home, man.

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Let's find out if Carl wants to
come on the show.

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That would be awesome.
That would be fun.

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So he had and even has his his
notification silence and he

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still answered my my
notification which is cool.

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You would be one of the people
that would get through on my

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phone too.
Actually, I do not disturb you

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are because you're in my
favorites list and those are the

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only people that can get
through.

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He thumbed up the message.
Boys and girls.

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So let's see what his he's, he's
got a little thought bubbles

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going on right now.
Ladies and gentlemen, we're

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going to try and get a pilot
live right here.

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In the middle of this podcast.
That's awesome.

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Yeah, I'm down.
Like just calling.

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Give me your e-mail address and
I'll share the link with you

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right now.
This is the way we put these

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shows together, ladies and
gentlemen.

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You are seeing it right here in
action.

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You do it on your laptop or
desktop.

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As long as you have a webcam and
a microphone, we're good to go,

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man.
Yeah, 'cause we know he has a

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good Internet connection.
He's working from home.

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And he's a realtor.
He's in my industry, that's all.

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About good real estate
connection.

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And real estate.
Connection got to have a good

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Internet.
Connection and he flies.

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He's a pilot and this is good
timing too 'cause then you guys

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can.
We'll take care of you while you

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go do your thing.
Man, why I go when I go drop the

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thing in the in the dealio.
So let's see if he's he's he's

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thinking.
I think I'm her in my wings.

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I can get along without you now,
Dad.

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You can get along that way.
And ladies and gentlemen, he

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knows I mean that on some level.
Yeah, yeah.

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OK, OK, let's see.
How do I get his e-mail off my

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phone?
Oh, it's, oh, it's it's he's,

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he's, no, he's is he?
I thought it was an iPhone but I

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guess he's not OK.
Yeah, so I learned something.

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We got to make sure that if
they're on an iPhone, they got a

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they what do they call that?
Landscape it, not portrait.

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Yes.
Because Lemoyne started out

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landscaped and then he must have
dropped his phone and he

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portrait it on me and that makes
it look weird in the background.

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No, what I'm saying is, yeah,
nothing but love, brother.

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We worked it out, but for future
reference, invitation sent Ask

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Chris.
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm a

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sticker for details.
Yeah, check your e-mail, Carl.

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Yeah, he's a he's a cool dude,
man.

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He's a nice guy.
Awesome.

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Oh, fuck me.
Nikki Anne Burrell died.

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Who's Anne Burrell?
Anne Burrell died.

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Sorry, that was loud.
Who's Anne Burrell?

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Anne Burrell.
Food Network.

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Oh yeah, now I recognize.
Her yeah, Food Network.

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Oh shit, 69.
She's a fuck dude.

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She's as old as I am.
And that's not good.

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That is not good.
Wow.

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Yeah, now I recognize her.
Absolutely.

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Channel 3, sorry, I mean, I
didn't mean to blow.

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I didn't mean to blow up the
podcast.

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Like no, that's.
I know exactly who she is now

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that you showed me a picture of
her.

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Wow, that's terrible.
There he is.

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There's Carl Pereira and this.
Is Carl.

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Things happen, ladies and
gentlemen, just like that

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welcome, Carl.
Thank you so much for coming on.

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You're welcome.
That was impromptu.

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Dude, that's like, well, we had,
we had a guest coming on that

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that had to reschedule.
And I had a friend of mine, I

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was like, dude, what are you
doing tomorrow?

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And he obviously got busy with
day.

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And then so Mike and I were
talking about Waylon Jennings

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and Stevie Ray Vaughan are not
Waylon Jeans, Buddy Holly,

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Stevie Ray Vaughan crashing.
And then I brought up Kobe

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Bryant.
And then Mike's like, I wish we

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had a pilot.
And I'm like, hey.

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Yeah.
We're we're two morons here

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talking about, hey, you can do
this and that with the plane.

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I'm like, really, I don't know
what you can and can't do with

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the plane.
And he's like, I know a pilot.

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So thank you so much, Carl.
That's awesome.

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Carl, Carl, this is MM, this is
Carl.

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Welcome to the Chris and Mike
show You're you're you're live

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with us on YouTube because when
we do this it's live on YouTube.

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This is like 109th episode I
think and then we and then we

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purpose it out you you'll be on
here a couple weeks later.

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We'll drop you all the links and
stuff, you can share them so.

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Yeah, like you said, we're going
to have a guest.

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And then we kind of started
stumbling our way through the

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beginning of this and talking
about planes.

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And he says, I know a pilot, I'm
going to text him, see what he's

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doing.
Oh, that is so.

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That is so funny.
Yeah.

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And then I and I and I still had
your picture in our thread.

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So so I introduced, I introduced
you to the world like this.

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This is Carl.
This is Carl the realtor.

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I look a lot better in that
picture than I.

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And it was like, he's, he's very
dapper and like, I'm not sure

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where you're from.
Where he's from, you look very

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dapper and you got a full head
of hair, man, So you're doing

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all right, buddy.
I appreciate you guys.

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Bald is a cute ball.
Well, who knows?

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We did it.
We were at a marketing shoot for

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a title with the title Rep.
We know.

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And, and so we were filming
Jason.

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I were filming this, this thing
that I had dreamed up.

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You know, you, you've all seen
the commercials about

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pharmaceuticals, right?
Like, oh, you know, the, the

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side effects of Viagra, you
know, da da, da, da da.

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So we did the side effects of of
not working with a realtor.

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Yeah, that was, that was
perfect.

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That was so good.
Yeah.

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So Carl was there and and we, I
was, he kind of was gracious

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enough to kind of be involved a
little bit and we had to get him

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out and get pictures taken and
stuff.

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So it was kind of.
Fun volume up just a smidge,

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Carl.
Oh my volume.

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Oh, like my my.
There we go.

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You.
Got some facial hair now you

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grew a beard.
I know that takes takes like it

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comes in every three days, you
know, Then I got to shave it.

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Is it really you can grow a
beard in three days?

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Like this beard, Yeah, like 2-3
days, yeah.

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That's insane man.
There's one that's great long

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either.
Yeah, no mine.

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Mine was.
I can grow.

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Hair, yeah, mine would come in,
but I don't think it would come

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in that quick in three days.
So what we're talking?

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About, yeah.
Well, when we first started this

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show, it was just he and I kind
of bullshit conversations that

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we've grown.
So I.

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Actually, remember your last
question?

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So Chris's last question that
inspired him to text you was, if

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you're on a commercial jet and
there's no pilot and you're

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relying on autopilot, does it
account for like a mountain?

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You know, say you're flying at
the same level as a mountain.

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Would it account for that
mountain and adjust?

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Yeah, yeah.
There's terrain.

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Yeah, boy, yeah.
So I mean like when you, when

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you fly to like, I mean, I'm,
I'm not super well versed on

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jets because I haven't flown
them yet.

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But like there's a, there's a
thing called like a Cat 3

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approach, I believe.
And, and you can fly all the way

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down to the runway.
And so there is, there's some

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kind of device that measures the
distance from the base of the

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base of the airplane to the
ground.

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So it even knows like when to
flare and everything.

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And then even on the smaller
airplanes, depending on what

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kind of GPS you have, there's
terrain avoidance.

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So you pay your yearly
subscription and it uploads map

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and you'll have terrain and
collision avoidance.

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So, okay.
So did Kobe Bryant just not pay

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for have that to have that
terrain when he took off in the

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helicopter on the foggy day in
LA?

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Helicopters are different.
That's where we're going to go.

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What do you know about
helicopters?

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Anything.
I don't know too much, but I did

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look into that incident.
Yeah, because that was, I don't

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think that company was actually
supposed to fly in Mount

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Obscurement, so.
The same thing happened to

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Stevie Ray Vaughan, that the
company violated that pilot, or

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I think you have to have a
rating for that.

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He had a rating the pilot was
actually like pretty

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experienced, which is like
surprising that that would

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happen.
But I think he I think there was

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like external pressure.
So as pilots, we always have

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like certain checklist, like
personal minimums.

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And and so we, there's, there's
a thing called external

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pressures and usually, you know,
if you have celebrities or high

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net worth individuals that are
pressuring you to go and maybe

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it's against company policy or
something.

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It it seemed that might have
been.

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Chris Donald wants to go and he
calls you up.

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You got to move right now.
Yeah, I mean, getting on this

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podcast was like external
pressure.

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Dude, that's but that's the
coolest, that's the coolest

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thing, Carl, because legit, we
just we just met and kind of

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hung out for an hour and then
he's cool.

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He's a cool Duke.
He's like everyone to go on my

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plane, man, let me know.
And I was like, alright, that's

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cool.
Dude, I thought that's what you

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were hitting me up.
For I figured, I figured.

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I figured I'm like I'm.
It's too hot now, though.

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We can go at 6:00, it's a lot
nicer.

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OK, OK, that's cool, man.
Yeah, so that's but so now

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you're on the show for at least
until we're done.

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So you just stop this.
So I'm going to go do my

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irrigation thing.
So you guys talk.

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I'll be back.
Yeah, so those were the those

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were the two big issues that we
brought up as far as he was

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feeling like, I think what his
argument was, was you were in

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the same amount of danger in a
helicopter as you were in a

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plane.
And I'm like, no way, dude.

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I mean, I'm a moron when I don't
know how to fly a plane or a

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helicopter, but I watch enough
documentaries to know that if

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shit hit the fan, it seems like
you would be pretty safe in a

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commercial jet liner if somebody
was.

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Oh, totally incapacitated, yeah.
Yeah.

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So you would have to load the
approach.

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And I think you would have a
better chance of doing that like

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if ATC was guiding you through
it or if they had like a pilot

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like guiding you through that.
Yeah, if you phoned or, yeah,

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radioed into the tower and had
somebody tell you step by step

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what you should do and you were
smart enough to push the right

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buttons or whatever.
Whatever.

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Yes, average.
Person be able to walk their way

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through it with somebody
experienced telling them what to

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do I guess was my question.
I believe so, because, yeah,

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they have something called the
FMS, which is like a flight

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management system, I think.
And so and so literally when you

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get your clearance, you, you
plug everything into the FMS and

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then unless there's like an
amendment or something, you

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change it on the FMS.
But, but I know typically like,

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unless it's like a really,
really bad weather day and, and

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like both the airport has to
have the equipment and your

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plane has to have the equipment.
Like I think most, most airline

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pilots disengage autopilot at
500 feet and they hand fly it

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down.
Yeah.

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But if it's it's a, if it's one
of those 00 mins where it's like

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the plane has to go all the way
down and you can't see the

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runway till you actually
touchdown.

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I think, I think to my
understanding, the airport has

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to have that equipment and then
your airplane also has to have

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that equipment in order to, to,
to fly that approach.

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So I guess technically it could,
but like I don't think every

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single airport is equipped for
that.

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So like, say, if you're flying
to Sky Harbor, I don't think you

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can fly.
I mean, I don't know.

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I haven't done this yet.
Maybe you can.

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I think they would probably, if
you had enough fuel, they would

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probably divert you to Los
Angeles because I think Sky

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Harbor's one of the harder
airports to fly into because you

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got to drop down so fast, you
know, coming over the mountains.

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Maybe I mean, I don't, I don't
know, I haven't heard that, but

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but they usually fly the visual.
So so I mean because we barely

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have weather here.
So like once they have the

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airport inside, they clear for
the visual, then I think pretty

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much they hand fly the plane
down and it's pretty, pretty

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easy going.
But.

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I came from Illinois.
I lived out there from 1993

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until what, 2009?
Chris was the singer in a band

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called Nemesis for quite a few
years in the mid 90s.

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He that's how we know each
other.

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I met him.
At the box.

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Concert and we put a band
together and we had a

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development deal with Metal
Blade and.

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Oh wow.
Opened up for Pat Travers and

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Sacred Reich and Sevendust and
Armored St. and all kinds of

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metal blade bands back in the
OK.

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That's another stamp on your
desk there, yeah.

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This is crazy, man.
The amount of sounds.

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I think I've talked about this
on the show, but this amp is

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probably $200.
A friend of mine's just let me

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borrow it for giving him
lessons.

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But the amount of sounds that
you can get out of this thing

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for 200 bucks, 300 bucks now
would have cost you probably, I

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don't know, fifteen, $20,000.
And it would have been a huge

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rack system that, you know,
three guys would have had to

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move to make it.
Isn't that amazing?

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Crazy how far technology's come.
Man, Oh, I know even like 15

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years ago because I like, I, I
played in a band in college and

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I still play in a band now I
play rhythm guitar and lead

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vocals.
But we do like now we do like

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country and classic rock is
mainly our, our deal.

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But what's wrong with that?
But yeah, like when we're trying

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to record even 10 or 15 years
ago, like the advancement and

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equipment now and the quality of
sound you can get from your

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desktop is just like insane
like.

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Yeah, I have this MacBook Pro
that I bought to do the podcast

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and a producer friend of mine
that lives in Georgia, he kind

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of helped me.
This is still a makeshift setup

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I'm waiting on.
I'm having a custom desk built

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and then I'm going to turn this
thing the other direction, but

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did the amount of tracks that
you can get out of this MacBook

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Pro is insane.
I've I've never found the end,

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you know?
And did you have to upgrade your

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Mac or is it just whatever
standard?

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No, this thing's just the way I
bought the best one they had.

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Believe me when I tell you this
is the most expensive piece in

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the studio.
OK, OK.

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Landslide.
So the computing power is pretty

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good, but but yeah, it's still
unbelievable what you can do in

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a box now.
Yeah, like when I boot this

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thing up.
So like, we usually start, I

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meet him on here like 4:50.
At 4:49, I'll open my Mac and it

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takes about, I don't know, 35
seconds from the time you open

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it till the time you put your
password in.

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I mean, you remember the days
when you would wait like you

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would start your computer, go
take a shower, come back, and

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you knew that everything had
gotten going enough to where you

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could actually sit down and
work.

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Yeah, that's how that's the
generation I come from.

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No, yeah, then even like I
remember summers, we were

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playing games online and stuff
and I would have to dial up the

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network and take 5 minutes to
connect to the Internet just to

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play a game of mini golf on the
computer.

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I was.
Like so frustrating.

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And then even when it got to the
point where like I got in a car

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accident in 1998 and I was, you
know, recovering and not able to

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move around a lot.
So I started playing one of

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those massive whatever, whatever
they call them, MMORG or what, I

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don't know.
They got a bunch of like one of

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those fantasy role-playing kind
of.

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Oh yeah, yeah.
Medieval kind of shit you.

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Know.
Yeah, yeah.

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EverQuest is what it was called.
Oh, OK, OK.

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And then I think people got
addicted to the next big one was

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World of Warcraft.
World of Warcraft.

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Yeah, that.
Took off all over.

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But right, right.
Was one of the first ones.

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And so the people that are into
those games are pretty smart,

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right?
Usually, yeah, yeah.

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It just takes over your life
though, man, It's amazing.

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Like to think of it now, all the
time I wasted playing that

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stupid fucking game, I should
have been sitting there playing

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my guitar more, you know?
Well, I think like Elon Musk and

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stuff like those strategy games,
like there's a component to

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there's like a connection
between that and like

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entrepreneurs and stuff.
It does help keep your mind, you

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know, because you're always
thinking about your next move

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00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,760
and upgrading your character.
And you know, I'll agree with

450
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,240
you, there's a lot of advantages
to it, but I just think there's

451
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,240
far more disadvantages.
You you could be doing the same

452
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:51,600
thing, playing a musical
instrument.

453
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,120
You know that you're in
position, right?

454
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,560
Yeah, yeah.
So a lot of those things are

455
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,360
excuses for not do not using
your full potential.

456
00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:02,360
We talked about that at nauseam
on this podcast because we have

457
00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:04,320
a lot of life coaches and stuff
like that.

458
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,280
And I enjoy it because I need to
hear it too.

459
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,400
You know, I always say that
people that are listening need

460
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,600
to hear it, but I'm careful to
say I need to hear it too.

461
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:12,840
Everybody does.
We all do.

462
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,840
We're guilty of becoming
lackadaisical and just getting

463
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:20,160
caught in our routines and
making excuses for Oh, well, you

464
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:21,760
know, I'm watching educational
television.

465
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,520
I say that to myself all the
time, right?

466
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,200
That's how I know about planes
and a little bit about

467
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,480
helicopters.
Very little, but I know way more

468
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,480
about planes, which is why him
and I never get in arguments.

469
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,360
We just I just started laughing.
I'm.

470
00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:36,000
Like of.
Course, of course, you know a

471
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,840
pilot.
It's so funny.

472
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,840
I like saw his text and I'm
like, what is this about?

473
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,640
But what do you find like?
Like is the biggest, biggest

474
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,800
struggle right now with the new
technology?

475
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,680
Like what what?
What do you struggle with?

476
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,560
Just the addiction, man.
Like here's the example I use.

477
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,160
You walk in a restaurant.
I try and, you know, go out to

478
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,080
lunch with my mom as often as I
can.

479
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,800
We'll walk in and you look
around a restaurant as they're

480
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,920
going to seat you.
And if there's eight people

481
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,840
sitting at a table, a lot of
times all eight of them are on

482
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,400
their phone.
Yeah.

483
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,080
You know, and that's one thing
that when I'm out in public, I'm

484
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:21,480
conscious of who I'm with and
whether they're going to be

485
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,840
offended by that, you know?
So like, my mom's on her phone.

486
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,400
I'll be on my phone while she's
on her phone.

487
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,800
But.
If she wants my attention, you

488
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,600
know she gave birth to me.
She kept me alive for 18 years.

489
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,120
I owe her at least that right?
We I can focus enough to have a

490
00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:40,560
conversation at lunch.
But what I see is how old are

491
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,800
you just out of?
Curious, I'm 36.

492
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:48,760
OK, so people your age
definitely grew up with

493
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,120
technology, right?
So your whole life has basically

494
00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:55,080
been encompassed by a phone, a
computer of some sort?

495
00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:00,680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
In people your age, don't you

496
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,120
see that a lot where their
attention is sucked into their

497
00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:07,680
phone, Especially in a social
setting where they're not

498
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,200
talking to each other?
They're talking to or they're

499
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,480
not.
They're looking at their phone.

500
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,280
I think so.
I think, I don't know, maybe

501
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,040
it's just my circle of friends,
but I think we're a little bit

502
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,840
more cognizant of it now like or
even find relief that we can

503
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,120
like not be on our phones
because.

504
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,400
Obviously you set your life up
in your mind that way.

505
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:26,840
You're a musician, you're a
pilot.

506
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,160
You're obviously an intelligent
individual who is driven and

507
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,880
wants to, you know, be active.
And so you're the exception to

508
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,840
the rule.
I'm the exception to the rule.

509
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,320
Chris is the exception to the
rule in that we go over and

510
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,880
above what's required of us on a
daily basis.

511
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,360
Most people don't do that.
Yeah, possibly like it.

512
00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:48,800
Like for instance, when I go
golfing, like like I never want

513
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,560
to be on my phone.
I mean that that is the time to

514
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,560
like not be on your phone to
just like chill out with friends

515
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,480
and stuff like that.
Obviously in an airplane, you

516
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,000
don't want to be on the phone
when you're on flying an

517
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,280
airplane, but I, I noticed like
everything that I do like the

518
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,680
most enjoyable hobbies keep you
in the present.

519
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,720
So like playing live music,
right?

520
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,320
Like you're in the present
flying an airplane, you pretty

521
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,520
much have to stay in the present
golfing.

522
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,800
I just like to be in the
present, like so anything that

523
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,120
really forces you to be in the
present, I find.

524
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:18,560
And then, you know, when I'm
scrolling away on my bed or

525
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,160
something like brain rot at
night, I just like kind of feel

526
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,680
like shit.
I just.

527
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,920
I just had that conversation
with the lady I work with today,

528
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,560
I said.
I told myself, you know, put

529
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,320
your phone down.
It's enough of that shit, you

530
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,920
know it's time to go to bed.
Like literally this is how

531
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,440
psycho I am in my brain. 22
minutes later I know exactly how

532
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,280
long it was because I looked at
the clock when I said OK that's

533
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,880
enough of that shit.
And when I scolded myself I knew

534
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,160
what time it was.
Then it was 22 minutes later.

535
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,800
I'm like, son of a bitch man,
stop doing that shit.

536
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:54,720
But you get sucked down a rabbit
hole.

537
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,160
You know, it's like, oh, I just
got to learn one more thing.

538
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,960
Yeah, and, and I and I have my
wife put my screen time

539
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,920
password, so I don't know it.
So I have to force her to put

540
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,800
the password in if I need more
time.

541
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,240
That's awesome.
Because I originally I was just

542
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,000
putting in my password, but it
got to the point where I just

543
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,640
ignore it, you know, put in my
password and ignore it.

544
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,800
And it was just becoming
subconscious like, oh, there's

545
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,440
no point to the screen time
password.

546
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,600
So she has my password now and
that helps a lot.

547
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,800
Yeah, Chris, we were just
talking about how how technology

548
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,800
like what, how it's kind of
ruined us.

549
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,080
It's very helpful.
But it's because this is cool,

550
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,560
because Mike's in Illinois.
I'm in, I'm in.

551
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,440
Well, I wrote Chandler, and
you're where he was.

552
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:43,400
Just he was just finishing that
thought and that's exactly what

553
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,400
I was going to say, Carl.
Now here is an example of Chris

554
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,520
and I using technology to our
advantage.

555
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,240
Right now.
We're doing something

556
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,960
productive, putting hopefully a
quality product out there.

557
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,200
I just got told again today, Mr.
Dunham, that we have a very good

558
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,480
podcast, thoroughly enjoyed it.
To a new listener or from a new

559
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,640
listener, so.
Right on.

560
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,520
Do you tell Carl how many
countries we're in?

561
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,360
18 countries, Carl.
Are you serious?

562
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,880
Yeah, for real.
Are you in Malaysia?

563
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,360
That's where I'm from.
Yes.

564
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,360
Oh, really?
Actually are, I believe.

565
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,160
Yeah, I will tell you in about
two seconds.

566
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,360
OK.
Yeah, that sounds.

567
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,920
Familiar so and now you can tell
you call your family.

568
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,360
Hey, in X days I'm going to be
on a podcast.

569
00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:27,480
You should join and listen.
On Spotify they can listen.

570
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,640
Hey, that's pretty cool.
We've grown the whole thing.

571
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,120
We've grown the whole thing
organically man.

572
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:37,440
We've not spent any money like
generating followers and shit.

573
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,320
We've gone from like 28,000 in
March to close to 100,000 views.

574
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,360
I take that man.
Close enough.

575
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:51,240
Yeah, I can fly my plane from.
There, this is the Philippines

576
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,880
and Malaysia.
That's pretty close.

577
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,720
It's probably like, yeah, if
you're taking an airliner,

578
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,240
probably within an hour or.
Big old jet airliner.

579
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,640
Yeah, there you go.
Steve Miller, man, there you.

580
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:07,800
Carl with the knowledge boom.
Only because my band asked me to

581
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,440
do that so.
Your band?

582
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,400
You're in a band, Yeah.
Yeah, I'm in a little cover

583
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,160
band.
OK, Chris, you're gonna have to

584
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,840
come and watch this someday.
OK, I did not know that dude.

585
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,960
I didn't know you're in a band
either, Mike was.

586
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,400
Just telling.
Oh, oh, yeah.

587
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:21,600
Been there, Done the last
subject.

588
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm on iTunes from the last band

589
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,720
I was in.
Oh, cool.

590
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,240
The Sturgis tore in 2008.
So yeah, you know.

591
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,040
Oh, very nice.
He was on the radio, recorded.

592
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,400
Yeah, yeah, was on the radio.
Real, real talk to USA with the

593
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,360
real estate for years for a
year.

594
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,240
The good news Arizona, 106
episodes of that was the

595
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,480
mastermind behind that show.
And then here we are with the

596
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,880
Christmas, which I wanted to
name with the Mike Michael show,

597
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,600
but he forced Chris and Mike
upon me.

598
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,800
Good news Arizona, the Channel
3.

599
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,880
That's the biggest
misconception.

600
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,240
People think it's Channel 3, but
it was when COVID hit.

601
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,640
Two weeks into COVID, I was
tired of all the nonsense.

602
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,720
So I was like reached out to my
friend Dean not and I was like,

603
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,960
dude, let's, let's do a show
called Good News in Arizona and

604
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,760
just focus on all the good we
did.

605
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,480
And I still get people reaching
out to me like I it was, it was

606
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:09,520
cool, man.
It was a good thing.

607
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,280
It it hits, it hit its stride
about two months in and, and,

608
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,360
and you know, just kind of took
off.

609
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,200
We had one of our a lot of our
episodes we did live were 11,000

610
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,880
plus viewers and stuff.
It was pretty legit.

611
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:22,840
Wow, cool.
Yeah, that's awesome.

612
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,480
They.
Had some legit guests too like

613
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,720
he had.
Gene Simmons.

614
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,520
Michael Bruce.
Original.

615
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,520
Yeah, original guitar player for
Alice Cooper.

616
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,720
Michael Bruce, right?
We were actually in the studio

617
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,840
with him.
We had personal trainers on.

618
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,680
We had, I mean, just I, I could
go Butch Patrick from from the

619
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,520
Munsters, Eddie Munster.
OK, Soup Nazi, no soup for you.

620
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,680
Just all kinds of all kinds.
Of things that graphic in the

621
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,080
background, Carl.
Oh, I can.

622
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,040
Actually, some of it's blocked
by you guys.

623
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,320
It just says that it's a top 10
Phoenix podcast.

624
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,320
That's also a true story.
He didn't just put that on

625
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,640
there. #3 #3.
Now we're number.

626
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,720
Three now, yeah.
In your metro area there.

627
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,120
Hey, that's awesome.
Yeah, that's pretty cool.

628
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:11,760
I had no idea what I was walking
into.

629
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,960
Guys, that's.
Just But you're a realtor man,

630
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,200
so you get it.
So you know, we don't know where

631
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,440
to walk into daily musician.
I just say yes.

632
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,520
Yeah, exactly.
And a musician.

633
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:23,800
What do you play?
What's the music?

634
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:28,440
What instrument?
I play rhythm guitar, acoustic

635
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,480
and then I do main vocals.
So we do country, a lot of

636
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,760
George Strait.
I like Keith Urban.

637
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,200
Oh my ex is living, I like
George Strait.

638
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,680
We do the Firemen by George
Strait.

639
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,680
We do Alan Jackson.
Yeah, stuff like that.

640
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,520
They're just CCR.
Yeah.

641
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,000
Oh, so you just hit the button
there?

642
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,400
Mike loves CCR, one of my
favorites man.

643
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,840
So where's your next guest bands
ever?

644
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,200
Uh huh.
Well, we, we usually play two to

645
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,880
three times a month at the
social birdie at Las Colinas

646
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,520
golf course in Queen Creek.
OK, it's a they revamp that

647
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,520
whole restaurant and.
But now during the summer, they,

648
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,480
they don't do any shows during
the summer because it's so hot,

649
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,040
because it's outdoors.
So we'll pick it back up in

650
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,240
October, but.
Yeah, when, when, when you get

651
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,680
around to to playing, let me
know and the wifey and I will

652
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:16,600
come out and.
Check out Oh yeah, it'd be

653
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:17,800
great.
That's a great date night spot

654
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:18,120
too.
And.

655
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,040
Everybody in Phoenix, head out
and see Carl play, please.

656
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,640
Yeah, social birdie.
Yeah, they.

657
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,880
Put it on your calendar.
We're giving you plenty.

658
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:25,800
I noticed, man.
It's June.

659
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,280
He's been in.
October.

660
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,960
So you know, come on, what did
you guys chat about while I was

661
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,720
doing my my irrigation?
Well, somehow I figured I owed

662
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,640
him how I knew you because he
told me how he knew you.

663
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:44,080
So we talked about the band and
then somehow that led into me

664
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,160
playing EverQuest after I got in
my car accident.

665
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,560
And that's how we started
talking about technology either

666
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,080
being helpful, helpful or
harmful.

667
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,080
And I said, when I walk in a
restaurant, I'll see eight

668
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,160
people sitting at a table and no
shit, a lot of times all eight

669
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,440
people are buried in their
phone.

670
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,080
I can't imagine that, you know,
two people wouldn't talk to each

671
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,880
other.
Yeah, no, I just.

672
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,000
Went to the casino with two of
my friends last Saturday and

673
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,920
there wasn't one time that all
three of us were sitting there

674
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,760
on our phone.
Two of us were always talking to

675
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,520
each other.
You know, usually it was all

676
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,040
three.
Yeah, yeah.

677
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,760
And for Carl and I that that's
that's I mean, our life is

678
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,560
attached to that, unfortunately,
because you know, back and when

679
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:25,000
I got.
Real.

680
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,280
It's different when you're
working.

681
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,280
You don't do that when you're
sitting there getting you at

682
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:29,720
dinner, do you?
No.

683
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,560
No, but what I'm talking about,
but I think it caused an

684
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,440
addiction because like
everything's an opportunity.

685
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,160
So like now you almost feel like
you're missing an opportunity

686
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,840
and then it just gets built into
your DNA, which is terrible.

687
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,280
OK, then let me ask you both the
same question.

688
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,520
We'll start with Carl.
Are you married?

689
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,120
Yes.
Remember, Remember his.

690
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:49,560
Wife.
Oh yeah.

691
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:55,280
Yes.
OK, Hello, Carl's wife.

692
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,560
Carl's wife.
So you're sitting there with

693
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,400
what's her name?
Oh, Mari.

694
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,440
Mari, Mari, Mari, you're having
a nice dinner out on a Saturday

695
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,280
night and your phone goes off
and it could be business.

696
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:13,960
What does Carl do?
Well I do put mine on sleep on a

697
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,760
no notifications so unless
unless the number's saved in my

698
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,920
phone, it'll ring and then if
it's usually somebody I know

699
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,040
like my family member, I'll just
send it to voicemail.

700
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,000
I, I, I, I noticed, I noticed
you had do not disturb on, but

701
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,920
you still responded to me, so
that was kind of cool.

702
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,360
He he did comment.
On it, I'm just sitting on my

703
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,480
phone.
Yeah, no, but legit dude, at the

704
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,800
beginning of the show we talk
about the fact that we had

705
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,199
somebody had to reload,
reschedule, which I knew ahead

706
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:39,560
of time.
Then I had a buddy coming on but

707
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,239
he texted me since and he just
got tied up unfortunately.

708
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,920
So we organically just I, I text
you on the show.

709
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:49,199
I know Pilot.
I know pilot.

710
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,360
You see how it is?
I was Plan B.

711
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:55,239
You were.
Plan C actually but but but but

712
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,680
but but but it came the.
Best option?

713
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,200
I think but it right, but it
turned out organically because

714
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:06,120
again, it took it took me
talking about when the music

715
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,120
died, which was the we we
started talking about Waylon

716
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,200
Jennings, because I started
singing Waylon Jennings and then

717
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,480
and then just kind of trans and
it went there to to the pilot

718
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,240
thing, because then Mike
referenced Stevie Ray Vaughn and

719
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:18,560
how Eric Clapton was supposed to
be on that helicopter and he

720
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,960
wasn't right.
And then I referenced the Kobe

721
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,320
Bryant thing and then so that
and then we talked about the

722
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,960
hill and that's where I kind of
thought about it.

723
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,280
Mike's like, Oh, a pilot.
And I was like, I know a pilot.

724
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,400
It is pretty crazy.
So bad, you were the first pilot

725
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,840
I thought of.
Yes, so.

726
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,280
You know, I know another one,
but he flies those big he like

727
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,280
legit flies for.
God.

728
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,960
I think now.
So he'd probably be more well

729
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,960
versed on that 3.
But he.

730
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,720
Probably all my questions.
And he probably wouldn't have

731
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:51,120
been available, man, because
yeah, that's like Aaron and you.

732
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,600
Legit.
Answered all our questions.

733
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,760
Those were the questions, Would
you be safer in a helicopter or

734
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,920
a commercial airliner?
And it's 100% a commercial

735
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,000
airliner.
I've never been in a helicopter.

736
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,040
And the other thing helicopters
have to look out for is power

737
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,200
lines because they're flying so
low, you know, like we don't

738
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,080
have to worry too much about
that unless we have an emergency

739
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,480
situation where we have to do an
off site landing.

740
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,680
But yeah, the the helicopters
have to constantly think about

741
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,400
power lines because they're very
like, when you're moving that

742
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,080
fast, you don't see them.
And so, yeah.

743
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,160
Here's a here's a question then,
since you're a pilot right now,

744
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,960
it seems to be like an an an an
abnormal amount of planes are

745
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,000
falling from the sky.
Good.

746
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:32,440
Question.
Yeah.

747
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,880
Is that true or is it just us
where all of a sudden the media

748
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,680
is just focusing on plane
crashes because legit it seems

749
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:43,160
like every day.
A plane is calling me Jason,

750
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,120
Jason and Jason.
Does he listen to this podcast?

751
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,480
Text No text him and tell him to
go on YouTube.

752
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,320
The Chris and Mike show.
He'll see us.

753
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:53,000
Really.
Does he know?

754
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,520
Yeah, we're live on YouTube.
We're live on.

755
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,200
He knows.
I've invited him a couple times.

756
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:01,360
Oh, OK, OK.
We're so it's So what I think it

757
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,280
is with the airplane stuff is
like the first US commercial

758
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,400
airline crashed in Washington,
right.

759
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,640
And then ever since then there's
been like a magnifying glass on

760
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:15,720
airplane incidents that I, I was
actually working like while I

761
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:18,760
was doing my commercial ratings
last year at Erguard flight

762
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,280
school.
And then there was that, that

763
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,800
mid air collision at Tucson.
I don't think that that that

764
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,240
collision would have ever made
the news if it wasn't for that

765
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:29,600
Washington crash, you know, just
the month prior because

766
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,960
everything was just so hyper
focused on airplanes now.

767
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,400
So, so I think it's a little bit
of that.

768
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,840
I actually looked up like the
stats of 2024 year to date

769
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,040
compared to 2025 and actually
there was less crashes this year

770
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,200
than there were in last year at
the previous year.

771
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,560
So.
So that's over 6.

772
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,440
Months.
What's that?

773
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,520
Yeah.
Six months, over six months or?

774
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:56,880
Yeah.
Year to date, yeah.

775
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,400
Yeah.
So I compared it cuz I'm like,

776
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,840
is this like unusual?
Like we're hearing about it so

777
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,760
much?
I never thought about the media

778
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,880
with like the dog with a bone
angle and they are like that a

779
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,920
lot, right?
Yeah, they like to

780
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,720
sensationalize it.
And fear causes abuse and.

781
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,160
Unfortunately so.
So we actually have less planes

782
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,000
that have fallen out of the sky
so far in 2025 than we did in

783
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,840
2024 for the same length of
time.

784
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,840
Yes, the caveat is that there's
more because of that that was U

785
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:28,440
s s first, you know, since 2009
commercial incident, accident

786
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,440
with fatalities.
That was why it was like, I

787
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,080
mean, there's more commercial
fatalities this year because it

788
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,920
was the first one since 2009,
OK, as far as US crashes go.

789
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,640
So I think that's what caused
it, yeah.

790
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:41,480
OK, so are you are you a flight
nerd?

791
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,440
Do you go in and, and and
research that stuff?

792
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,360
What'd you say, Mike?
There's somebody behind you.

793
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:46,480
Thank you.
Good job.

794
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,080
I saw.
Them I just saw their yellow

795
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,000
shirt.
Amazon.

796
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,280
This is a running theme on this
podcast, Carl, I cannot let him

797
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:58,360
get killed by the UPS guy.
Or if it doesn't happen to be

798
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,840
the UPS guy, it could be a
serial killer, right?

799
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:06,320
So, so I text ADHDI text Jason
for you Carl, I said, I said you

800
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,920
can find Carl here in cinema
link and he's like.

801
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,960
No, I didn't even text him yet,
so I'm glad you.

802
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,480
Didn't so he's he's like, yo, I
don't know how I missed your

803
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,680
podcast text.
I'd love to be a guest and

804
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,240
assistant any way I can.
I'm sorry for the delay.

805
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,200
Jason's the guy that he's a
title Rep, that marketing Rep

806
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:22,600
that helps U.S. market and
stuff.

807
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:23,320
He's a cool guy.
Awesome.

808
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:24,200
Very.
Cool guest.

809
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,400
That's funny.
That's funny.

810
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,040
He would be.
He used to be a model.

811
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,880
So, and an actor, yeah, and.
An actor?

812
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,520
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, yeah, he's a good guy.

813
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,040
We've had some great guests,
man.

814
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,360
What were we talking about for
my squirrel moment?

815
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,120
And my and my flight nerd that.
Oh yeah.

816
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,640
Yeah, so, so like when that
crashed into Washington, did you

817
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,400
guys like dive into the research
and the and the, you know, all

818
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,880
the stuff?
Yeah, I mean, because even at

819
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,400
Chandler Airport, right, like,
like the difference between US

820
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,200
and Washington was that you
don't see a military helicopter

821
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,080
on your iPad.
Like, you know, you don't see

822
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,560
that traffic on there because
they're, they're not required to

823
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,600
be on there.
With us, we can see the

824
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,480
helicopters on our iPad.
However, there's there's been a

825
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,200
lot of close calls that even at
Chandler, you know, because our,

826
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,760
our traffic patterns are very
tight, like very close to each

827
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,360
other there's.
Helicopters take out of front of

828
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,680
Chandler too.
Oh, just a lot of helicopters

829
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,680
training out of Chandler.
Yeah, yeah.

830
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,080
So what's?
Your flight rating.

831
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,440
So what?
What kind of planes are you

832
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,520
flying?
So right now I I own a little

833
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,960
Cessna but I last year I got my
commercial rating in multi

834
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,760
engine so I can be paid to fly
multi engine aircraft now.

835
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,040
And so now, now.
Explain Explain to our viewers

836
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,360
what a multi engine aircraft is.
Oh yeah.

837
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,240
So you you have single engine
ratings, which is 1 engine on

838
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:46,280
the airplane, usually at the
nose of the aircraft.

839
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:49,320
Yeah, prop in the front and then
multi engine.

840
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,360
There's a lot of different
flight flight characteristics,

841
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,840
but there's usually a engine on
each wing.

842
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,080
So you have a left and right
engine and the difference is it

843
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,200
can be a little bit more
dangerous.

844
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,640
You would think having 2 engines
is more safe, but if you don't

845
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,400
know what you're doing in a
multi engine, if one fails and

846
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,400
you over control or don't
control the airplane enough, it

847
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,560
can actually do this flat spin
kind of thing and kill you

848
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,040
faster.
So what happened?

849
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,360
To cool.
So yeah, so you have to be

850
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,920
trained on how to fly a multi
engine, especially in emergency

851
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,600
situations where one engine goes
goes dead.

852
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,680
And that's why the airlines are
pretty much safe because if if

853
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,720
you have a bird strike in one
engine, most likely you didn't

854
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,400
you didn't bird strike both
engines.

855
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,440
Unless you're Sully, you know,
they're still looking into what

856
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,120
happened in Air India there
because yeah, they're not really

857
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:34,360
sure Let.
Me ask you a.

858
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,040
Person who lived.
What?

859
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,520
Happened to that flight that
disappeared MH370.

860
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,240
Oh, I think I know.
Tell me, oh, this is this is I.

861
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,840
Don't know breaking news this.
Is like breaking news on the

862
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,280
Chris and Mike Show.
So, yeah, yeah.

863
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,320
So my, my cousin, my cousin's
husband flies for Malaysia Air.

864
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,800
Used to, used to.
He was a he was a captain on

865
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,760
Malaysia and he was friends with
that guy.

866
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,240
He was friends with that guy.
Oh, really?

867
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:03,640
No.
Wow, no.

868
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,240
I'm so glad I asked this
question.

869
00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:08,880
And so, well, the, the media
kind of, and if you looked at, I

870
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,200
don't know if you guys watched
that Netflix documentary, but

871
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,680
they kind of pinned it on The
Captain.

872
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,920
You know, they said he was
having marital problems, he was

873
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,120
depressed and like flew that
flight in this flight simulator

874
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:19,880
or whatever.
Yep.

875
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,240
So me and my wife went to to
Malaysia last summer.

876
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:25,960
I took her for the first time
and we were, I was talking to my

877
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,960
cousin's husband and he's like,
he's like the only people that

878
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,000
confiscated that flight
simulator was the Malaysian

879
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,160
government.
He's like, nobody cross checked

880
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,000
the information on that flight
simulator.

881
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,040
So no shit, whatever whatever
said, whatever they said goes

882
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,960
essentially and, and, and
Malaysia Air.

883
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,000
I mean, that's like a government
subsidized airline, right?

884
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,200
Like so like they need to
protect their reputation and

885
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,760
whatnot.
But it went missing kind of by

886
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:57,080
Diego Garcia military Island,
which is AUS owned military

887
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,400
island.
Are you guys familiar with Diego

888
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:00,840
Garcia?
I only know because.

889
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,120
I'm not familiar with Diego I.
Only know because of this

890
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,720
incident.
Yeah.

891
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:07,760
So the plane kind of went
messing around there, correct?

892
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:13,480
And and my, my daddy's company
that he worked for his Freescale

893
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,920
and there was like 20 top execs
at Freescale on that plane.

894
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,760
And there was like a patent.
There was a patent pending

895
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,800
technology that there were maybe
multi governments wanted.

896
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,640
So, so wouldn't it be convenient
that Obama met met with, with

897
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,280
Malaysia government quite
frequently during that time,

898
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,080
which is quite, quite unusual.
And then the plane goes missing

899
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,360
and then those execs are on
there and everybody disappears.

900
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:44,160
And then a month later, Malaysia
Airline gets shot down by a

901
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,160
Ukrainian missile or a Russian
missile.

902
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,120
With the more scientists or some
shit on there like that too,

903
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,680
right?
Wasn't there like some top?

904
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,840
On that flight, see, I don't,
I'm not too sure, but it is kind

905
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,640
of weird that like there was no
wreckage found from the MH370

906
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,640
and then all of a sudden there's
wreckage from the missile that

907
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,280
was shot down the other plane.
And some, some theories are

908
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,560
like, oh, that might be the
same.

909
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,160
They might, they might be
covering up the wreckage of that

910
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,520
plane with the wreckage of the
original crash and.

911
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,200
There's only, there's only.
Two times that a plane of that

912
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,480
size has just disappeared off
the face of the Earth.

913
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,040
Because Carl knows better than
we do.

914
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,240
But we know well enough Chris
Dunham.

915
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,280
The governments of every world
know where every plane is at all

916
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,480
times.
And Australia poured a ton of

917
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,320
money into that investigation.
But what if it was a multi

918
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,720
government cover up because.
That's what I'm saying.

919
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:40,280
So the two times that a plane of
that size has just disintegrated

920
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,560
into basically nothing is that
and the Pentagon.

921
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,120
Is Russia part of NATO?
Is who?

922
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,560
Russia part of NATO?
They're not.

923
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,560
They're not right.
So all of a sudden they shoot,

924
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:56,400
they shoot down Malaysia, maybe
in retaliation.

925
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,200
They don't get that technology.
I hate NATO.

926
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,040
That's the whole Ukrainian war.
So, so you opened, you opened

927
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,400
the door.
I wanted to, you unlocked the

928
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:04,760
door.
I wanted to open mic about the

929
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,400
Pentagon because I had.
Many keys.

930
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,280
The plane that hit the Pentagon,
like I've always kind of

931
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,160
questioned that.
I'm not a big conspiracy

932
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,800
theorist on a lot of things,
but.

933
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,440
Some of them are true.
That, that one is, I mean, what

934
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,240
do you think about that, Carl?
That plane that hit the Pentagon

935
00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:23,440
completely disintegrating?
Because I've seen video, because

936
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,440
you see videos all over the
place now where it looks like a

937
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,360
like a missile going into the
Pentagon.

938
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,320
And there's no, there's no
wreckage that was found in the

939
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,240
Pentagon.
There's power lines still

940
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,720
intact.
Like how did the wings not take

941
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:35,960
out?
Those power well, isn't it

942
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,760
interesting that the Air India
right plane crashed into the

943
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,000
side of a building and the
building still standing and the

944
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,720
plane the back of the plane is
still intact, right And it's and

945
00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:47,480
it's Indian construction.
Thank you.

946
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,360
I mean, Indians are my people.
I mean, I'm happy.

947
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,800
He can say, yeah, that's why I
said thank you, yeah.

948
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,840
Yeah.
So, but OK, I just think it's

949
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,920
all kind of strange.
The whole 911 thing is a little

950
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,160
strange to me.
That to me, yeah, because they

951
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,000
built those towers, because
we've all watched the

952
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,840
documentaries on that stuff.
They built those powers to

953
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,520
withstand that kind of impact.
And then you have the.

954
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:14,000
Only time in recorded history
that an airliner has hit hit a

955
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,240
skyscraper, right?
And the skyscraper

956
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:17,680
disintegrated.
Yeah.

957
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,440
I wonder if you interviewed
America, what percentage of

958
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,720
people actually believe that the
story that was told to us?

959
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:26,320
Because I I almost think.
Zero at this point.

960
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,320
Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't
think a lot of them believe it.

961
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:30,400
We should have asked.
We should.

962
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:31,840
We've had people on here from
Australia.

963
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:37,280
We asked him what he what, what
they think of Americans, which

964
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:41,040
was fascinating because they
actually embraced our culture

965
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,960
and stuff.
Like when I think Australian, I

966
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,680
think shrimp on the Bobby
Foster's for lager, right?

967
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,080
Good day, mate.
Right.

968
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,960
All that kind of funny stuff.
But you know, there was one

969
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,320
thing that he said about that
that I picked up on Chris, that

970
00:46:55,400 --> 00:47:00,000
he said there's as much, you
know, he appreciates the good

971
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,040
that came out of the American
culture.

972
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,680
But it's probably not known to
the whole world.

973
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,120
But I think it's pretty common
knowledge that Australians are

974
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,880
some of the nicest, most giving.
You know their culture, they

975
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,040
take care of each other, right?
Yeah, he said.

976
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,400
Our culture is ruining that
part.

977
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,480
I picked up on that.
Did you hear that?

978
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,400
I did.
I think that's sad.

979
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,520
So you're so so you're a
Malaysian.

980
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,360
Did you grow up in a Malaysia or
did you grow up in America,

981
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,440
Carl?
I grew up in America, I was born

982
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,800
in in Malaysia, but we used to
go back every summer for like

983
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,440
2-3 months at a time.
So cumulatively, I spent

984
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,120
probably 2-3 years in Malaysia.
So what's the Malaysians take on

985
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,200
Americans?
Because this, that fascinates

986
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:39,920
me, like because we're in so
many countries, we're trying to

987
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,720
get people to come on from the
other countries, but you know,

988
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,920
language barrier and stuff.
So every time I went back to

989
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,160
Malaysia, like, yeah, obviously
I look, I look somewhat Indian,

990
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,560
but but they, they would detect
my English accent and I always

991
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,360
noticed like, you know, if
you're, if you're like a white

992
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,240
person in Malaysia, like, like
you're treated off really.

993
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,640
But apparently, even if you just
sound like a white person,

994
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,560
really, but now, but now it's so
westernized.

995
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,640
It's so Westernized.
Like, you know, the world has

996
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,800
really shrunk.
I remember, like when we first

997
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,120
came to America, we had no clue
what Halloween was.

998
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,760
And my mom hid us in the
bathroom because there were

999
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,200
people with mass at the door
knocking.

1000
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,800
When did you come to America?
In 1990, that's.

1001
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,640
Fantastic at what age?
I was one, my brother was 5, and

1002
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,600
my mom was alone and in the, in
the whatever apartment we were

1003
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,720
having.
And she and she, yeah, she was

1004
00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:34,120
like freaking out.
Like we had no idea what

1005
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,200
Halloween was.
But now, like, Halloween is like

1006
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,800
such a global thing, right?
Right, that's crazy.

1007
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,200
Now put that in perspective.
I just graduated high school in

1008
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:46,280
89. 91 OK.
Yeah, I was born in 89.

1009
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,560
So there you go.
Well, yeah, because you were one

1010
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,720
in 90.
So yeah, you were two when I

1011
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:53,680
graduated.
Where you go?

1012
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,200
That's crazy, man.
Yeah, so the culture, the

1013
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:02,520
culture shift is big in Malaysia
and there's an Islam country,

1014
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,160
but it's not like it's not like
90% Islam like Afghanistan.

1015
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:10,480
So like it's not, it's Sharia
law for for Muslims, but it's

1016
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,120
not like applied to everybody.
No.

1017
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:15,320
If you're a woman and you're
Christian, you can drink at the

1018
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:16,800
bar.
But if if you're Muslim, you're

1019
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,600
not supposed to be drinking at
the bar, you know, like.

1020
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,480
And the and the and the Muslims
and again, I'm I'm little

1021
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,520
ignorant about it.
The women are the Muslim women

1022
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,520
that wear I forgot the.
Yeah, that I think it's a hajib.

1023
00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:29,080
Yeah.
So all you see is there nothing

1024
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,120
else.
That's yeah.

1025
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,680
Well, in Malaysia, like they're
not even required to do that.

1026
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,240
So you'll, you'll, you'll.
I see some but honestly like

1027
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,560
it's not that many anymore.
OK.

1028
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,800
And Malaysia's again, my nurse
with geography, Nikki, just got

1029
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,080
this tapestry map of the world.
She's like, oh, this will help

1030
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,400
you, but it's for her classroom.
Malaysia's an Asian country,

1031
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:48,120
right?
Yeah.

1032
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,400
It's like Southeast Asia kind of
by Thailand and.

1033
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,560
OK.
So they speak Asian or they or

1034
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,400
is there?
Their, their country's language

1035
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,600
is Malay, Bahasa Malaya.
So, yeah, everybody's required

1036
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,200
to learn it if you're growing up
there.

1037
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,360
But but it was colonized by the
English.

1038
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,200
So, you know, that's how the
Indians, the Indians were

1039
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,280
brought over by the British to
run the railroads over there.

1040
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,680
And so a lot of everybody speaks
English there.

1041
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,200
Oh, yeah, you, yeah, everybody
pretty much speaks English

1042
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:14,640
there.
Yeah.

1043
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,600
OK.
But they do have some pretty

1044
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,920
harsh laws when it comes to like
public intoxication drugs.

1045
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,160
Yeah, yeah, I think drug use is
definitely frowned upon like,

1046
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,680
but like public intoxication,
I've seen that have.

1047
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,960
You seen that personally, Carl?
Have you been looking in the in

1048
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,000
the in the cell phone camera?
I was like.

1049
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:39,560
I've been public intoxication.
But you know, it's crazy,

1050
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,400
Malaysia, even though it's like
a third world, I mean, it's not

1051
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,360
a third world country, but it's
a developed country.

1052
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,440
But like, OK.
Like you see more homeless

1053
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,760
people in America than you do in
Malaysia, Like.

1054
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:50,720
Really.
Yeah, OK.

1055
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,880
Where did you go in Malaysia?
Like, what were you in?

1056
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,400
A small town?
Big city?

1057
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,760
Like what kind of area?
So we grew like when I went to

1058
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,760
go back in the summers to visit
my grandmother, we would go to

1059
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:08,280
Clang, which now Clang is a
pretty like, it's like not, not

1060
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,800
the greatest area.
But when I went back last last

1061
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,440
summer, we would go visit these
areas for family and stuff.

1062
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,560
But we stayed in like a more
nicer place.

1063
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,280
Yeah.
OK, So what size town?

1064
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,160
Like where's your grandmother
from population wise?

1065
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,360
I don't know, let me let me
Google it.

1066
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,080
Clang Malaysia.
Google Machine Google.

1067
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,160
But now is all your family in
Malaysia?

1068
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:30,920
Do you have other?
Do you have immediate family

1069
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,480
here now?
Now most of my mom's side is

1070
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:38,440
here.
Wow, there's 1,000,000 people in

1071
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,440
clang.
Wow, so big city.

1072
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,480
That's a big city, man.
Yeah, big shit, big shit.

1073
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,800
But yeah, my dad's side still, a
lot of them are over there.

1074
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,280
So when we go over there, we
visit all my dad's side, but my

1075
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,240
mom's side migrate to Australia,
Europe.

1076
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:54,640
Really.
Yeah.

1077
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:57,040
Okay.
Yeah, they were trying to get us

1078
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,440
out of there as possible.
Why was that?

1079
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,280
They just didn't like what They
didn't like the environment.

1080
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:02,960
They went to more opportunities
in America.

1081
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,560
More opportunities and less
biases for.

1082
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:06,480
Sure.
Well, he said it.

1083
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,720
It is a third world country.
I mean they're.

1084
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,240
Working that way.
Out, but yeah.

1085
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,600
Yeah, yeah.
Do they have?

1086
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,280
Do they have?
You may not be able to answer

1087
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,280
this because you're not, you
don't live there and stuff, but

1088
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:18,680
what would, what would their
opinion be?

1089
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,640
You think of the president of
the United States at this moment

1090
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,680
in time?
I think we're not getting

1091
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,440
political.
It's just a general question.

1092
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,960
Yeah, no, I think a lot of them
like listen to CNN or something.

1093
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:35,840
I don't know.
Yeah, which kind of sucks, but I

1094
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,600
don't know.
I don't know why, like I don't.

1095
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,360
Yeah, but so I think their
opinions are like very.

1096
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,200
But I'm like, man, you guys
actually need to live here.

1097
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,480
Who?
What does what does Malaysia

1098
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,440
have?
Is it a is it a democracy?

1099
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:51,960
Like who's in charge?
They say it's a democracy, but

1100
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,280
like even the last election, I
mean, I, I don't know if we're

1101
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,360
too far away, but there were,
there were, there was like cars

1102
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,200
bringing in a bunch of ballots
at the end, right?

1103
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,280
So a lot of that, a lot of that
corruption still there.

1104
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,880
It's a little puppet regime.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1105
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,360
If if the opposition's winning,
they'll find some way to to keep

1106
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,160
the the the the same people in
power somehow.

1107
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,880
Yeah, President King.
Prime Minister.

1108
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,720
Prime.
Minister OK, so kind of like

1109
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,720
England, because that's how
Australia is, right?

1110
00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:22,720
They have the Prime Minister and
they still answer to they still

1111
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:24,800
answer to Charles.
So do you guys answer to Charles

1112
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,800
because you were, you were
developed by British, But no,

1113
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,440
no.
No, no, now we have our own

1114
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:30,720
thing.
And then like Singapore used to

1115
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:32,240
be like, so it used to be
Malaya.

1116
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,920
The whole thing was Malaya.
Then Malaysia separated from

1117
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,200
Singapore.
Singapore has gone on to to

1118
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,800
create a much larger economy
than Malaysia, but they were

1119
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,080
part of the same thing at the
same time, like, you know, so

1120
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,000
you can drive to Singapore from
Malaysia.

1121
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,560
That's.
Why I asked the question?

1122
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,480
That's awesome.
Yeah, you guys, what kind of,

1123
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,040
what kind of sports are played
in Malaysia?

1124
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:51,600
Because we're educating the
world.

1125
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:53,120
You're educating the world now,
Carl.

1126
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,280
You're educating 19 countries
here and all about Malaysia. 18

1127
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,760
I'm waiting for 19 We're
Malaysia white, white.

1128
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,360
Yeah, you're gonna have your,
you're gonna have your, your,

1129
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,360
your dad's side of the family
listen to the show.

1130
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,360
And then, oh, gosh, Carl.
And then you're the third.

1131
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,320
World thing and they'll be like,
Carl is not the third world,

1132
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,040
right?
Right.

1133
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,560
Then you'll send us a, a, a a
violent, you know, a very harsh

1134
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,120
written e-mail.
We mean that in the nicest way

1135
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,960
possible.
Malaysia, yeah, but Google says.

1136
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,800
No, Malaysia is not a third
world.

1137
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,520
It's a Second World.
It's a upper middle income

1138
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,560
country, OK.
It's it's considered developing

1139
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,000
apparently.
I think I said that they're

1140
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,040
working their way.
That's it.

1141
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,040
Yeah.
Say that, Mike.

1142
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,760
Yeah.
I mean, they have the, they used

1143
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,080
to have the tallest towers in
the world, the Patronus Twin

1144
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:35,360
Towers.
That's the one point.

1145
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,960
Then the verge of the beach is
now the tallest and and now

1146
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,000
they've built another one which
is now I think is the second

1147
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,800
tallest tower in the world.
OK, let me go on record.

1148
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,600
I apologize Malaysia.
I forgot you had those bad ass

1149
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,000
buildings.
They are spectacular.

1150
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,800
I apologize.
Frozen building.

1151
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,800
Rock on Malaysia.
There you go, Carl, so you can

1152
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,680
tell your people to listen.
To us, yeah.

1153
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,360
Yeah, no, I love Malaysia.
I mean, my wife loved Malaysia.

1154
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,640
We were like, I was thinking
like maybe I should go fly from

1155
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,880
Malaysian Airlines.
A lot of the work through my

1156
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,600
head.
What's the climate?

1157
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,360
What's the climate like?
It's like Florida, it's very

1158
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:10,640
humid.
All the time.

1159
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,640
Pretty much all the time, yeah.
So you'll get tropical storms

1160
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,680
and stuff.
I think my skin likes humidity.

1161
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,200
So to speak.
No, no, no seasons.

1162
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,360
Yeah, you can go into a higher
elevation and it's a little bit

1163
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,880
cooler, but it's pretty much
like Florida.

1164
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,240
OK.
Yeah.

1165
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:31,000
Do you guys have Americanized
restaurants like McDonald's and

1166
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,080
Arby's and Burger King and
stuff?

1167
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,680
Yeah, they even.
Have real food, really.

1168
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,920
But they have real food, right?
Because you don't, you don't.

1169
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,280
We're big on.
We've had a lot of people on the

1170
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,360
show that are all health and
fitness and health and Wellness

1171
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:47,400
and stuff, and we've talked
about the fact that the

1172
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,240
countries outside of America
would not accept the food that

1173
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:52,840
Americans eat because of they're
so it's so bad.

1174
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,760
Like Nikki and IA Little about a
month ago now, we stopped from

1175
00:55:56,120 --> 00:56:01,200
talking to Nathan and Peter.
We stopped bad carbs and

1176
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,760
starches and crackers.
Did you do you know what's in a

1177
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,120
Ritz cracker, Pete Carl?
Because it's insane, man.

1178
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:10,080
It's absolutely insane.
Go to my Instagram, go to my

1179
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,000
Instagram and watch the reel
about Ritz crackers, man.

1180
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,400
It'll blow your mind.
It is crazy.

1181
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,560
I'm hungry, yeah.
No, no, no, no, you can't.

1182
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:22,720
Ritz bad and it's it's.
Bad.

1183
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:24,520
But see, here's here's the
thing.

1184
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,680
Here's the struggle with it.
Because the convenience of a

1185
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,600
tortilla and the convenience of
a sandwich.

1186
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,040
Like when I'm doing yard work
like I did today, I came inside

1187
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,480
and I'm like, what do I eat?
Because we don't need bread.

1188
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,120
We don't have tortillas.
Now let me tell you the

1189
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,880
distinction right there that I
just heard.

1190
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,000
OK, I agree with you on the
convenience of the bread.

1191
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,800
Yeah.
But I fucking love a tortilla.

1192
00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:48,960
I do too.
I mean, like, love, you know,

1193
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,240
And then I love what's inside
and I'm like.

1194
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,680
You like Chipotle?
Yeah.

1195
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,520
Just yeah, whatever you put
inside, I make breakfast.

1196
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,040
Burritos.
I do.

1197
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,080
I do too.
There's love inside that

1198
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,320
tortilla, and the tortilla is
delicious and it's that it's one

1199
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,240
with me.
I just can't give up my

1200
00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:06,040
tortilla.
Right.

1201
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,760
Well, see, now I have I have egg
wraps, but a problem with an egg

1202
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,040
wrap it's only about the
circumference of.

1203
00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:14,760
And Peter told us that.
Like a like, yeah, like a like a

1204
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,240
10 LB weight weight, OK, because
people explain.

1205
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,720
So you can see like an egg wrap
is just about the circumference

1206
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,760
of a 10 LB weight you put on
when you go work out, right?

1207
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,360
That's that's it.
It's not big, right?

1208
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,640
So I've had those.
But like today I had, I realized

1209
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,680
we still had tuna.
So I actually just dumped 2

1210
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,600
packets of tuna fish in a bowl
and put Mayo, mustard and spun

1211
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:36,720
it up.
And that was my lunch.

1212
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:41,040
But and it's satisfied, but it
wasn't the same as having the

1213
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,000
burrito man because the Portilla
you just you jonesing for that.

1214
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:48,720
Like since we stopped since we
stopped like no, no lie.

1215
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,720
Nikki are doing dance lessons
Mondays and Thursdays.

1216
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,840
Yeah, and twice now we've
stopped after dance lessons and

1217
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,560
went to Filbertos because this
just go extremely bad that way.

1218
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,040
Wait, so you're doing no carbs?
No carbs.

1219
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,600
We're not doing no carbs, we're
doing, we're doing no, no bad

1220
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,880
starch.
So no breads, no tortillas, no

1221
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,360
crackers, because it's all
refined and stuff.

1222
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,280
Oh, got it.
So we're focused more on because

1223
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,160
the inflammation that it causes
and all of the bad stuff that

1224
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,560
comes with it.
So we just decided to try it for

1225
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,360
a couple weeks and then.
Have you noticed?

1226
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,360
When I do something, I just.
Do oh, he's noticed.

1227
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,560
Like huge.
He just asked if he noticed

1228
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:28,280
anything.
Yeah.

1229
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,160
Oh, yeah, yeah, I have.
I have a degenerating vertebrae

1230
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:35,120
in my neck to the point that we
stopped running because it it

1231
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,520
was so jacked up and and I'm a
runner.

1232
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,120
Like we were going to run the
Marine Corps Marathon in

1233
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:44,120
October, like we've probably
done 60 half marathons.

1234
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,960
Like we legit we were runners.
But once I the short version of

1235
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,360
the longest story stress
fraction my foot, I wore a boot

1236
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,560
fate months that throw me off
all of the the cardio stuff

1237
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,800
getting back into it once I was
released and healthy and the

1238
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,880
bone was healed was good for, I
don't know, maybe a month or

1239
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:02,720
two.
And then all of a sudden I

1240
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,160
started noticing some more pain
going on because it's everything

1241
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,320
has shifted a little bit because
it wasn't generating anyway.

1242
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,560
So all the bad starches and, and
the enriched, the enriched food

1243
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,040
and stuff, it creates
inflammation.

1244
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,760
So the inflammation, the
tingling and the numbness and

1245
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,560
the pain in the neck stopped
pretty much 95% of it went away.

1246
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,280
So I was like, OK, so that's,
that's a good thing to stay away

1247
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,520
from.
I mean, like I said, we still

1248
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,360
kind of fell off the wagon and
had Filbertos a couple nights

1249
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,000
and burgers aren't that hard,
you know?

1250
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,000
It's just you, you go have a
burger and you just hold the

1251
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,680
button, you know?
Yeah, yeah.

1252
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:39,200
And then I'm.
OK with.

1253
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,360
I mean, I could probably live
without a Bono.

1254
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,040
My hamburger.
Yeah, man.

1255
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,840
Giving up the thought of giving
up tortillas.

1256
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:47,920
I just don't.
I know it's hard.

1257
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,400
I just don't think it's going to
happen.

1258
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,080
I don't see why I should.
Well, I'll tell you what you can

1259
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:54,640
be.
Hundreds of years old.

1260
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,680
Right, You can keep the
tortillas, get rid of the vape

1261
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,840
because a whole new thing came
out about vaping.

1262
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,840
And.
The popcorn lung is the real

1263
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,880
thing.
That's crazy, is that is vaping

1264
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,720
the same as E cigs or is that
different?

1265
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,760
So it's the same concept.
Thing it is.

1266
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:10,480
Oh yeah.
Yeah.

1267
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,040
What?
Yeah, he's smoking a cigarette,

1268
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:13,320
basically on a vape.
Yeah.

1269
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,360
OK, Yeah, yeah, I've never been
a big smoker or anything, or a

1270
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:18,560
vapor.
That's good.

1271
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:20,920
Well, you're from Malaysia, you
have hook, but you have hookahs

1272
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:21,880
in Malaysia.
You.

1273
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:26,000
Just naturally inhale smoke and
just walking outside.

1274
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,600
Right.
In Arizona, it's common.

1275
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:33,960
He's walking to the haze.
It's.

1276
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:36,520
Very polluted in the valley,
I'll give you.

1277
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,160
That it is so sports.
What kind of sports are in

1278
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:40,840
Malaysia?
Is it?

1279
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:41,600
Is it?
Is it?

1280
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:42,480
Yeah.
Yeah.

1281
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:43,240
Soccer.
Soccer.

1282
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,120
Yeah, I was going to say soccer,
but football, right?

1283
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,520
Yeah, yeah, they're really big
into the English league over

1284
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,040
there.
That's like, huge.

1285
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,640
Nothing else.
No baseball, basketball, none of

1286
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:52,840
that.
I think the Indians are really

1287
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,800
into cricket and badminton.
Badminton's huge.

1288
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,000
Too Badminton's.
Huge.

1289
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,760
Yeah, Really.
They love cricket.

1290
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,600
Indians love cricket for sure.
Yeah, that's huge.

1291
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,240
Yeah, that's a huge thing.
But you know that going back to

1292
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,000
the food thing with Malaysia,
Yeah, Yeah.

1293
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,080
It's like baseball, kind of put
it.

1294
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:10,320
Going on.
OK, OK, OK.

1295
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:11,520
Yeah, go back to.
Food.

1296
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:13,000
I don't think there's like.
A never ends, yeah.

1297
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,400
Well, I was just thinking about
the food in Malaysia.

1298
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,040
You know, what we noticed is
like, you know how here in

1299
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,720
America, it's like if you go out
to eat, it's gonna cost you

1300
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,960
more.
But in Malaysia, you can

1301
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,040
actually go out to eat and it's
like cheaper to go.

1302
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:29,240
It's like if you go to go to
like the street foods, right?

1303
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:30,280
Like.
That's why I was going to ask

1304
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,240
the street vendors.
Yeah, the street vendors, you

1305
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,200
get chicken rice, man, like
perfect macros, like like

1306
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,280
chicken pure, pure ingredients.
It's like, oh, it's so good.

1307
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,600
And you're paying like literally
like $1.50 USD.

1308
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,440
So so you do that three times a
day, you're like less than like

1309
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,960
4 bucks or 5 bucks or whatever
and you're eating great food

1310
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,520
literally for 5 bucks USD you
can eat like really good and.

1311
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,000
OK, so what's what, what's the
chicken rice in in Malaysia?

1312
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:57,440
What's that meal?
Oh, she's.

1313
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,520
Like a it's rice some some like
a black sweet, like soy sauce,

1314
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,640
cucumbers, some we call it
sambal, which is like, just like

1315
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,280
a little spicy sauce that you
can you can have it with it, but

1316
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,240
then like the chicken, you know,
like a lot of chicken like

1317
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:10,240
sounds.
Delicious.

1318
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:11,960
It's my.
It's my.

1319
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,800
Favorite dude?
Yeah, because see Mike's, Mike's

1320
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,720
in Illinois.
So it's what is it 610 there?

1321
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,440
So he's he's knocking on the
door.

1322
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,360
And here's the other thing that
I hear.

1323
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,800
So Chris knows this and the
people listening because I've

1324
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,360
said it probably 1000 times, but
I'm allergic to dairy.

1325
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:30,240
So like, I gravitated towards
Mexican food when I moved to

1326
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,960
Arizona because contrary to
popular belief, people from

1327
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:37,880
Mexico don't use cheese like
Americans do in Mexican food.

1328
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,880
If they use cheese, they use
goat cheese.

1329
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:42,120
Oh, yeah, Yeah.
But a lot of times they just

1330
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,120
sands the cheese.
You know, it's just in your

1331
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:48,960
burrito is beans and rice and,
you know, the meat, whatever you

1332
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:52,200
want.
The same thing goes for any kind

1333
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:56,280
of Chinese, Japanese, Mongolian.
Now you're talking Malaysian.

1334
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,680
And everything you said sounds
so good, especially to me,

1335
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,520
because those are things I know
I can eat without worrying about

1336
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,600
getting sick, right?
There's no dairy in any of that

1337
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,200
stuff.
And we ate like crazy for two

1338
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,480
weeks.
Like like we ate like crazy and

1339
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,200
I came back and I gained 2 lbs
Really.

1340
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,680
I was like, that's it.
I thought I was going to gain

1341
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:17,640
like 12 lbs dude when I came
back.

1342
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,880
But I think it is because they
don't use the the same food

1343
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,080
processing that we used here in
the States.

1344
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:24,760
I don't know what we do to our
food.

1345
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,640
Like, well, Chris just said, so
the things that he's trying to

1346
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,440
avoid is any kind of processed
food.

1347
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:35,760
So what Peter and Nate both kind
of they had a little differing

1348
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,200
opinion, but the one thing that
we agreed on is you want to

1349
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,480
stick with one or two
ingredients in the main.

1350
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,600
You know, like Peter was saying
no rice and I freaked out about

1351
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,960
that too, right, because I love
my I love my Mexican rice and I

1352
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:53,160
just love rice in general.
Right as a bed to what Carl just

1353
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:54,680
said.
Chicken.

1354
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,280
Pork.
Well, that was my that's that

1355
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,800
was essentially my lunch every
day was it was a chicken rice

1356
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,840
burrito with Sriracha sauce and
and some cheese in there.

1357
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,240
And that's like like when I came
in from from doing yard work,

1358
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,880
that's what I would have made or
I would have had one made.

1359
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,360
I would make 3 or 4 Sunday night
and have them throughout the

1360
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,360
week, especially when I get done
working out.

1361
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,720
I'd come home and eat the, you
know, the protein burrito.

1362
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,600
But the problem is, is I have
the same thing that Chris has

1363
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,920
where we have degenerative disc
disease and any kind of

1364
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,400
processed food like that,
especially bread crackers, the

1365
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:29,280
bad starches that he named, they
cause horrible inflammation in

1366
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,320
your joints.
So that was that whole podcast

1367
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:33,800
was basically about that
subject.

1368
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,800
Anybody that's listening, go
listen to the Peter Ho and Nate

1369
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:40,880
Palmer, any of those interviews.
That's exactly what that's about

1370
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,160
is.
Conversations, conversations.

1371
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,280
We don't have interviews.
There are conversations on the

1372
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,680
Chris and Mike Show.
I I walked right into that.

1373
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:51,320
Car you walked right into that I
had.

1374
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:53,920
Bitched about that from the get
go.

1375
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:58,920
I got to, I got to go, I got to
go move a port.

1376
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,520
So you guys continue the
conversation.

1377
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:03,920
I, I, I did walk right into that
one.

1378
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:06,920
You know, we're not doing
interviews, man.

1379
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,480
We're just, you know, like when
we're sitting around and you'll

1380
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:13,400
appreciate this after band
practice sitting around talking

1381
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,320
to your brothers, man.
You know, those are some of my

1382
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:20,320
favorite conversations, dude,
because you could talk about

1383
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:25,640
anything from how do you buy a
house to do you think that we're

1384
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:30,480
alone here?
You know, you mean like, no

1385
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:34,520
dude, like in general, you know,
in the universe, those kind of

1386
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,240
conversations.
You know.

1387
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:38,880
I would be the one saying you
mean like here, just in the

1388
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:40,520
house.
Like you think there's a ghost.

1389
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:44,160
No, I mean like in the universe.
Well, that's a great question

1390
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,880
because, like, you know, now all
that alien stuff is coming out

1391
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:48,960
on Netflix, and it's like, OK,
it really makes you think.

1392
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,320
And then I had a pilot that flew
with me last week that swears

1393
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,760
he's like, I don't even tell
people this, but during my

1394
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:58,160
training, which was close to,
you know, Luke Air Force Base,

1395
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:02,920
Seder area, just just West of
Deer Valley, he said he saw a

1396
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:07,000
basketball sized orb fly under
his right wing.

1397
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:11,440
And how do you, how do you
discount You said it at the

1398
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,160
beginning when you came on the
show.

1399
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:18,520
These kind of things are for
what we all in society like to

1400
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:21,360
call above average intelligent
individuals, right?

1401
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,040
So yeah, when you.
Have a sheriff's deputy call in

1402
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,320
saying I don't know what I'm
looking at, but here's what I'm

1403
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:29,360
looking at.
Or, like you said, a bona fide

1404
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:34,000
pilot who has no reason to say
anything for fear of losing

1405
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,280
their license due to insanity.
Right.

1406
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,600
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
When I hear it from my own

1407
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:43,280
father has had experiences that
have caused me to have to

1408
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,440
believe in things that I
probably wouldn't believe

1409
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,960
otherwise.
Because he's a no nonsense kind

1410
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,480
of guy, man.
He's common sense to the bone.

1411
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,480
You know, here's the way shit's
going to be.

1412
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,960
And you know, I've, I've said a
million times on this show, he

1413
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:58,720
never had to yell.
He never had to hit us.

1414
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:02,000
He's 6 foot four and he's got a
lot of common sense.

1415
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,120
So you can't argue with somebody
who's been there, done that, you

1416
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:05,800
know?
Yeah.

1417
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:09,120
And he saw stuff.
Oh, he's had encounters with

1418
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:13,240
ghosts.
He saw a UFO on his way to a

1419
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:17,800
fishing trip, like close
encounter, not just like out

1420
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,600
and, you know, bright light,
that whole kind of what people

1421
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:24,440
describe.
So I guess it could be like, I

1422
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,360
mean, it could be advanced
technology that humans made, I

1423
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,440
mean, but it just can't be
nothing.

1424
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,200
Like it just can't be nothing.
When we, you know, like when him

1425
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,640
and I go down that rabbit hole
together when we're riding in

1426
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:38,320
the car, you know, just wherever
at the casino or hanging out,

1427
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,480
just me and him, you know,
talking like guy stuff.

1428
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:46,360
How do you know that it's not
just especially like things like

1429
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,760
Bigfoot because they never found
evidence, right?

1430
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,400
So how do you know that's not an
interdimensional being?

1431
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,120
And every now and then there's,
you know, Sedona's one of those

1432
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,800
natural vortexes, right?
It's one of the seven wonders of

1433
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,000
the world.
They say as far as energy goes.

1434
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,760
And I've been there and I
experienced it.

1435
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:06,320
And it's not, it's not bullshit.
There's something different

1436
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:11,000
about that spot on the earth
because I've been beautiful and

1437
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:14,000
you feel different.
I felt like I was weightless

1438
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,319
there as far as stress and.
Wow.

1439
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:19,720
Fascinating.
Just one weekend.

1440
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:24,080
There's that in the window.
One weekend I remembered it

1441
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,680
forever, so you know.
Wow, can't.

1442
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,279
Say that about a lot of places.
But that's a great airport, by

1443
01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:31,439
the way, if you have a little
plane to fly into Sedona.

1444
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,640
I bet it's got to be beautiful.
Oh, it's one of the top, I would

1445
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,479
say probably top five airports
in the country to fly into.

1446
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,040
If they ever want to pay a
stupid money to keep doing this

1447
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,200
podcast, believe me, that's
where I'll park my ass.

1448
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:46,160
Oh yeah, that'll be great.
I love that place.

1449
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:49,880
You know, I've never really
explored Sedona in that kind of

1450
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:51,720
manner, but maybe, maybe next
time I have to be more

1451
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:53,640
cognizant.
Of it, I can't recommend it

1452
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:55,240
enough and it's right up the
road from me.

1453
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,160
I'm like 1800 miles away now.
Like what did you do to feel

1454
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:00,200
that?
Like to feel that?

1455
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:02,760
Just be in there man.
OK.

1456
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:06,200
We went down and checked out
like the Red Rocks and, you

1457
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:09,439
know, that Canyon tour,
whatever.

1458
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:12,399
We kind of, yeah.
And just going into the shops

1459
01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:16,080
and talking to the people, more
so than anything, the people

1460
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,960
that actually live there on a
day-to-day basis, you can tell

1461
01:09:20,279 --> 01:09:23,640
the people who are there for the
wrong reasons versus the people

1462
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:25,240
that are there for the right
reasons.

1463
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,600
And I'm not sure I ran into any
people that were there for the

1464
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:29,800
wrong reasons.
You know they.

1465
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,640
'D like to tell you about the
history of it and how they ended

1466
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:37,359
up there and just that seventh
wonder of the world thing, you

1467
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:38,439
know?
Yeah, yeah.

1468
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:40,840
Well, I definitely got to be a
little bit more aware because I

1469
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:42,760
do love Sedona.
I think it's a beautiful place,

1470
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,760
but I guess I never had that
feeling.

1471
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:49,359
I, I, I have that feeling a lot
in the beaches like like Florida

1472
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:53,520
or or Hawaii.
Hawaii, definitely.

1473
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:57,560
For some reason, it's just like
every beach.

1474
01:09:57,560 --> 01:09:58,880
You can find a peaceful beach in
Hawaii.

1475
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,680
You can find a violent beach in
Hawaii.

1476
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,400
You can find the geography.
Like for some reason, Hawaii

1477
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,200
kind of has that effect That
sounds like that that Sedona has

1478
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:08,680
on you.
For me and what I guess my point

1479
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:12,760
was, I think maybe if there is
all these dimensions that

1480
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:16,040
physicists have now told us are
there, you know, especially

1481
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:18,840
quantum physicists.
I like where this went.

1482
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,880
Well, we were talking about the
difference between like, ghosts

1483
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:25,000
and aliens.
And I'm starting to wonder if,

1484
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:28,320
you know, like the flip side of
some of these conspiracy

1485
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:31,520
theories aren't true in that are
we living in a simulation?

1486
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:36,200
You know, a lot of these things
would make sense, but the

1487
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:40,600
dimensions for me answer way
more questions because these

1488
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:44,800
things might be so thin at those
spots that literally that energy

1489
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,920
is right next to right.
So now you're feeling that next

1490
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,240
dimension.
Maybe that's all about love and

1491
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:54,200
unconditional love and
everybody's happy and, you know,

1492
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:55,880
Donald Trump loves everybody
and.

1493
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,040
So there's a big, beautiful
bill.

1494
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,560
Instead of mean things you know.
It's a big, beautiful bill.

1495
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:02,880
Everybody's going.
To love.

1496
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:04,560
It Bill, it's beautiful.
It's beautiful.

1497
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:10,080
But instead, in that dimension,
he's saying on page 39, here's

1498
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:11,960
where I'm going to fuck you,
right?

1499
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:14,160
Or here's where Congress is
going to fuck you.

1500
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:17,480
Yeah, but let's be honest,
every, every, every president,

1501
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:20,800
all they all have their own
bills.

1502
01:11:21,480 --> 01:11:23,320
Everybody's got their agenda,
right?

1503
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,600
They all got their legacies that
they want to pass.

1504
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,640
And then it it ends up.
It just has nothing to do with

1505
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,920
the three people who are talking
on this podcast.

1506
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,280
Well, and that's kind of what I
posted the other day, like

1507
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:34,400
protest.
I know I love.

1508
01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:37,320
You all you want, right?
Protest all you want, but just

1509
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,640
you're destroying.
Don't wreck other people shit.

1510
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:42,520
Right, right.
You're destroying families,

1511
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:44,240
legacies.
You're destroying families that

1512
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:46,720
have worked hard and just trying
to make a living and make their

1513
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:48,760
life better.
Talk about real, raw and

1514
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:50,560
relevant.
We are literally talking to

1515
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,520
somebody who immigrated to this
country.

1516
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,120
His mother made a better life
for her family.

1517
01:11:55,480 --> 01:11:57,440
He became a productive member of
society.

1518
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:00,960
Not everybody that comes here.
I was wondering if you guys

1519
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:02,360
were?
Talking about.

1520
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:06,560
But that's, but that's the
that's the thing.

1521
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:08,600
That's what strikes me about the
riots and and.

1522
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:10,040
No, really.
I mean, actually, you're an

1523
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:11,480
immigrant, right?
Your.

1524
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:14,200
Mother came here, she made a
better life for herself.

1525
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,400
You became a productive member
of society.

1526
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:19,520
I want the people listening to
the podcast who maybe don't

1527
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:22,560
think the way I do so open
mindedly in the way the all

1528
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,760
three of us do that, you know,
not everybody that comes here is

1529
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:28,360
coming here for the wrong
reasons.

1530
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,240
Most of them are coming here for
the right reasons.

1531
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:33,160
Yeah, Nikki Nikki's family,
immigrants, they came over this

1532
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:34,600
whole.
Country is founded on

1533
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,240
immigrants.
Don't get me down that rabbit

1534
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:37,920
hole.
No, well, no, but and and they

1535
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:41,960
were the Italian immigrants, so
like legit they built the East

1536
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:45,280
Coast.
Yeah, I would love to explore

1537
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:47,680
the East Coast because I feel
like everybody that's been in

1538
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:49,360
New York and Jersey and
everything, there's like a

1539
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,080
different energy there.
And I'm like, I haven't

1540
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:53,040
experienced that yet.
I need to I need to go

1541
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,920
experience that well.
The fun thing about New York

1542
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,160
when we were there is we didn't
drink as much water, man.

1543
01:12:58,920 --> 01:12:59,840
What do you drink?
Wine.

1544
01:12:59,920 --> 01:13:01,320
We just didn't drink.
We didn't.

1545
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:04,680
We didn't feel the need in
Arizona.

1546
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:08,000
This this, this is like probably
the 10th glass of water today.

1547
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:09,880
It's so dry.
It's so dry.

1548
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:11,200
Right.
So you're constantly.

1549
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,080
You're constantly.
It's not here today, Carl.

1550
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:16,960
It's like 98% humidity.
Over there where you're.

1551
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,200
At Yeah, we got a front moving
in.

1552
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:23,160
Oh my gosh, You know, I think my
skin is like made for humidity

1553
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:24,720
just because I was born in that
climate.

1554
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,640
Every time I go back to Florida.
For humidity, because it's good

1555
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:29,520
for you, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, that's probably

1556
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,240
true.
But when it gets excessive, it's

1557
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,760
hard to breathe.
Yeah, we're we're this is our

1558
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:35,800
next 5 days.
And Carl you may not know this

1559
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:39,760
or not, but one O 8 today
1101141O91-O2 then it drops

1560
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,720
Sunday.
Oh, good to a calm 98°.

1561
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,240
Like.
Three with 65% humidity.

1562
01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:48,360
There you go, Carl.
We don't.

1563
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:49,560
See where?
Humidity is.

1564
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,720
That's probably exactly what you
had about every day, right?

1565
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:57,920
87. 7% humidity. 60 to 80%
humidity.

1566
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:00,760
Yeah, yeah, you, you would be
drenched in your shirt.

1567
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:02,480
You would have to change your
shirt 3-4 times a day.

1568
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:04,400
Yeah.
That's how that's here, Yeah.

1569
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:05,920
No bueno.
That is no.

1570
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:08,240
Bueno.
Yeah, I guess it would be harder

1571
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:12,640
to control mold and stuff, but.
Well, Jake, my son was in Japan,

1572
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:16,200
OK and stationed in Japan for a
couple years during He's still a

1573
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,080
Marine, but he was in Japan for
a couple years and we actually

1574
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:22,200
Nikki sent him stuff that would
help keep things dry because of

1575
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:24,440
the.
You know.

1576
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:28,240
And so we never really dove deep
in that.

1577
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:29,720
Did you?
Did you guys deep into the

1578
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:31,440
conversation with him when he
was on the show, Mike, about

1579
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,080
Japan's weather?
Because I never really talked.

1580
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,840
I don't think we talked weather
that time.

1581
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,000
We just saw.
But the one thing that I will

1582
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,680
say is Carl's right.
So like if I didn't have central

1583
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:46,280
air or like, you know, people
that don't have central air,

1584
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:49,560
which is not uncommon here,
they'll have multiple window

1585
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:51,200
units.
Because you're right, man, in

1586
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:53,120
the summertime, if you don't
have air conditioning,

1587
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:56,240
everything will mold.
Oh, I see.

1588
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,560
The lady that put the air
conditioning in this house, my

1589
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:04,120
mom was, well, still is really
good friends with her and that's

1590
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:06,200
what inspired her to put Central
Air in.

1591
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,880
As my mom said, we had a
horrible summer where it was,

1592
01:15:09,440 --> 01:15:12,720
you know, like over 100 heat
index every day, and she came

1593
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:15,120
home from work one day and the
whole front of her cabinets were

1594
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:17,400
all full of mold.
Mold.

1595
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,400
Yeah, just from being
oppressive, humidity for days

1596
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:25,400
and days and days, yeah.
That's the that's the downside,

1597
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:25,880
I suppose.
You.

1598
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,600
Got to have central air.
That's what keeps your house

1599
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,680
from molding.
So does Malaysia have

1600
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:37,080
electricity?
Yes, you know what we allow we

1601
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:40,160
have we have those like you
know, I don't know why they

1602
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:42,080
don't do it more in America, but
they have like the the

1603
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,480
individual units like the AC
units in each room.

1604
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,040
Yeah, which which I think is
actually more effective and

1605
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:49,080
easier to maintain because like
if one of those breaks down,

1606
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:51,320
it's like way cheaper than if
the whole central.

1607
01:15:51,480 --> 01:15:54,680
No, I agree.
Yeah, I have a client in Cave

1608
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:56,600
Creek that they put, I forget
what they're called, but he

1609
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,400
legit put one of those in every
single room of the house, every

1610
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:00,760
single room split.
I forget what they're called.

1611
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:02,840
I want to say split system, but
I don't think that's right.

1612
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:04,480
I know you talk about the white
things.

1613
01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:06,680
Yeah, yes, on the.
Top of the wall.

1614
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:11,160
Yes, yeah, I know exactly.
People say their eyes, but I

1615
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:13,680
think they look fine.
No, I don't think they look bad

1616
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:16,480
at all.
No, I think if you just, if you

1617
01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:18,720
can dress them up a little bit,
you know, you put some waves on

1618
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:23,680
them, you know, maybe a little
characters, you know, little

1619
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:25,160
little flames would be cool.
Maybe a little.

1620
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,480
You know, maybe put flames.
On things you know.

1621
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:31,320
My conspiracy mind is that it's
that you can get a bigger ticket

1622
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:34,720
item for a fix on a on a huge AC
system than just one of those

1623
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,680
little ones, you know?
And the same thing with water

1624
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:40,680
heaters, like in Malaysia,
there's electric water heaters.

1625
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,040
So they don't have big tanks
that are heating up a bunch of

1626
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,520
water.
It's just every shower head has

1627
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:48,200
a box like this big.
Well, you know.

1628
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:49,480
Why?
And you just press the button

1629
01:16:49,480 --> 01:16:51,960
and the electricity, and the
electricity instantly heats up

1630
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,160
the water that flows through it.
Seriously.

1631
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:55,360
Yeah.
And so I'm like.

1632
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,800
Wow, that's way more.
Next time you go to Malaysia,

1633
01:16:57,800 --> 01:16:59,560
take a picture of that and send
it to me.

1634
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:01,240
Oh yeah, I'd be interested.
I'd be interested to see I.

1635
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,320
Probably can just Google it and
send it to you, but.

1636
01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:07,240
But that's not as fun.
He wants to get a live picture

1637
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,520
from.
Drop $2000 on an Airtech.

1638
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:11,440
You, just like Mara.
Chris wants us to go to Malaysia

1639
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:13,320
and I can take a picture of the
water heater in the shower.

1640
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:14,720
It's got to be legitimate,
right?

1641
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:18,680
OK, OK, honey, let's go.
You got to be in person

1642
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:20,800
pictures.
Right, you know, I want a

1643
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:22,600
selfie, man.
Here it is, Chris.

1644
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:24,880
Just point to like this is the
micro Harris click.

1645
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:29,080
And he wants the timestamp to
say whatever city Malaysia.

1646
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:32,640
Yeah, so then I can see it.
That's hilarious.

1647
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:34,360
That would be awesome.
That would be.

1648
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:35,880
Awesome.
That's the way we roll it, man.

1649
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:38,800
Oh my gosh, he.
Can write it off.

1650
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:40,560
He can write it off.
He's just, you know, just say

1651
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,600
it's for real estate, you know,
but I had a client that wanted

1652
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:45,280
to understand what.
The.

1653
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:50,120
Landing client A.
Water heater was in in in a

1654
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:53,040
Malaysian bathroom because they
wanted to build a house in

1655
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:54,800
Arizona that matched that
concept.

1656
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,840
So you know.
I just got you a free trip, man.

1657
01:17:59,000 --> 01:17:59,400
You're.
Welcome.

1658
01:17:59,480 --> 01:18:00,120
That's true.
Thank you.

1659
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:03,880
You're good.
I'm sure waiting for my tickets.

1660
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:08,600
Now when you when you go back to
Malaysia, do you ever play, do

1661
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,120
you ever play music in Malaysia?
Like go to a bar and just jam

1662
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:15,160
out like a couple of like.
Sash No, I play for like family

1663
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:17,640
members, but I don't think I
played I played in a music

1664
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:18,960
store.
You know the thing about

1665
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:22,560
Malaysia, they're very good
musicians like like you can't

1666
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,240
like I feel like I can get away
with some mediocre performances

1667
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:28,480
here, correct.
But in Malaysia you will get

1668
01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:31,240
like you would get torn down,
you know, like there's so many

1669
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:32,960
good so.
They know good from bad.

1670
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:37,080
Yeah, yeah, I think, I think
Americans, which I love, are a

1671
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:41,120
little bit kinder, you know,
yeah, Asians, not so much.

1672
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,200
They they kind of just say it
like how it is.

1673
01:18:44,480 --> 01:18:45,280
So you.
Suck.

1674
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,680
They're gonna tell you you suck.
Yeah, yeah, they won't.

1675
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:49,760
They won't pat you on the back
and say good job.

1676
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:51,160
I feel like that the most
terrible.

1677
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,640
That's crazy.
So our our Australian friend was

1678
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,040
on and they like totally embrace
American Music.

1679
01:18:58,040 --> 01:18:59,800
Does Malaysia embrace American
Music?

1680
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:02,520
Oh yeah, Top 40.
Yeah, pretty much.

1681
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:04,720
You can hear the same Top 40.
Is there, is there anybody we

1682
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:07,120
would know that came out of
Malaysia from a, from a musician

1683
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,760
standpoint?
Guy Sebastian, he won Australian

1684
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,360
Idol.
He he's pretty.

1685
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:13,800
He's pretty famous in the pop
world.

1686
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:18,120
OK, are.
They big in the how do I are

1687
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:21,160
they big in like the K pop scene
or is that more?

1688
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,480
Korea, I think, I think there's
because Malaysia is kind of like

1689
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:26,000
a melting pot.
We have Chinese, India and

1690
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:30,000
Malays.
Yeah, yeah, I think K pops like

1691
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,160
my my cousins, they like K pop a
lot and.

1692
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,400
So K pop is just Korean pop
music or is it K pop?

1693
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,000
Is that's where it originated,
Yeah.

1694
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:42,280
Korean Pop.
Their style of boy band, kind

1695
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:43,520
of.
I'm probably Butcher.

1696
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:48,040
Very intense training.
Yeah, dude, it's they're amazing

1697
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:49,120
musicians.
He's.

1698
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:52,200
He can't be any.
Ridiculously fucking good.

1699
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:56,960
I was introduced to this whole
scene by a girl I work with and

1700
01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:01,240
she's like, totally into it.
Knows as much about that as I do

1701
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:03,520
about Hard Rock and heavy metal,
you know?

1702
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,840
And I like to, you know, I like
to think of myself as educated

1703
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:09,800
and worldly, especially when it
comes to music.

1704
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:13,080
So I'm sure as much as she
thought she was boring me, I'm

1705
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:16,080
like, no, tell me all about it.
I mean, it may not be my scene,

1706
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:17,880
but I want to know about it, you
know?

1707
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:21,680
And I was fascinated at how
she'll show me these TikTok

1708
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:26,200
videos of their music and then
them playing like a Metallica

1709
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:29,680
song on their guitar, you know,
and their note for note,

1710
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:31,880
probably better than the band.
Wow.

1711
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:34,880
They are very intense with the
practice and they're like,

1712
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:39,280
there's a great documentary on
Netflix now called Dirty Pop.

1713
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:41,560
It's about Lou Perlin.
Did you see it?

1714
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:43,680
I saw that I.
Did dude, what did you think

1715
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:45,200
about that?
What did you think about that?

1716
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:47,720
I just, I mean, it's all about
the money, right?

1717
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,400
That's what he did it for.
All about the money.

1718
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:52,440
I think so, but then I'm going.
To have to watch.

1719
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:53,240
His.
His.

1720
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:54,720
Scheme, Mike, you got to watch
it, dude.

1721
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:58,120
Yeah, you guys need to talk
about it after you watch it,

1722
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:01,640
because there's aspects almost
of Lou, Lou Pearlman, the guy

1723
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:05,240
that I actually admire.
True, because he built he.

1724
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:06,720
I don't know if.
You feel the same way, but.

1725
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,800
I do because he took, he took,
he took, he took nothing and

1726
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:12,880
made it into.
This it was his vision, right?

1727
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:15,880
Yes but but yeah, he built
Backstreet Boys and and Snake.

1728
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:17,520
Yeah, I'm familiar with who he.
Is OK.

1729
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:19,560
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But but then the.

1730
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,560
You guys can talk about it.
I know the whole story behind

1731
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:24,960
Ron or Luke.
Perlman, Luke Perlman.

1732
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:25,680
Oh, OK.
Yeah.

1733
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,520
So, I mean, he built these,
like, these amazing boy bands

1734
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:30,720
and then he got sued out of
their contracts and then still

1735
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:34,520
went on to build some fairly big
boy bands like O Town and LFO.

1736
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:36,480
Like they were fairly
successful.

1737
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:38,800
So who?
Shoot him the guys in the band.

1738
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:41,880
Yes, **NSYNC and Backstreet Boys
student.

1739
01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:45,800
They they got what was there was
a they got platinum right

1740
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:47,520
million million sale for.
Sure.

1741
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:49,000
Yeah.
I think they generated $200

1742
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:52,960
million in sales in revenue and
they gave them 10 grand each. 10

1743
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:54,480
grand each, fuck.
Right.

1744
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:56,560
And then so but the.
But The thing is, they were so

1745
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,000
naive about it because they.
Were so I didn't know.

1746
01:21:58,440 --> 01:22:00,240
I got AI, got a $10,000.
Check.

1747
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:02,920
Yeah, you would think you would
make it like 100 LB grand each

1748
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,800
to to try to like lengthen this,
this deal out a little bit more.

1749
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:07,600
But yeah, he kind of threw it
himself there.

1750
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:09,400
Right.
And then and then the one, I

1751
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:12,040
forget who it was, but he had
worked at at Texas Roadhouse or

1752
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:14,520
something equivalent to that.
And so he was like showing this

1753
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:16,520
$10,000 check.
They're like, dude, you make

1754
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:19,640
more than that in a year here.
And that's when it kind of

1755
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:21,160
dawned on him like, wait a
minute.

1756
01:22:21,480 --> 01:22:24,440
But the way he treated, but the
way he treated them was like

1757
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:27,840
like first class all the way,
like all the way.

1758
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:31,000
They wondered for nothing,
except they got this.

1759
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:33,920
Can you imagine working for a
whole year for nothing like?

1760
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:35,560
For 10 grand.
For 10 grand.

1761
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:37,040
And playing out the sold out
show.

1762
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:40,240
And they worked hard.
Oh, Oh my God, they work hard.

1763
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:43,600
The, the, the, the time we
talked about this before, Mike,

1764
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:46,920
the time and effort that you got
to put into the, you know, like

1765
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:48,840
rock bands.
Don't we all know for graphing

1766
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,080
and stuff.
But we watched, we watched, I

1767
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:53,960
saw a thing with Bruno Mars with
his prepper for his upcoming

1768
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:57,800
tour he was on or he's currently
doing the behind the scenes of

1769
01:22:57,800 --> 01:22:59,960
what he does.
It's just insane.

1770
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,600
And I never thought about it.
I never put it together that all

1771
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:07,560
that dancing has to be
choreographed in practice right

1772
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:10,280
time and time again.
Like you could just like I

1773
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:13,280
remember when back in the 80s,
remember that band CC in the

1774
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:16,480
music Factory, right, the semi
Hammer Air stuff.

1775
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:20,720
I remember them stopping their
tour because of exhaustion and

1776
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:23,000
all the members of the band went
to the hospital for exhaustion.

1777
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,200
I'm like, what the fuck?
You're just standing on stage

1778
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:28,360
and then, oh, the choreography
part of it.

1779
01:23:28,480 --> 01:23:30,960
Yeah, they're probably running
equivalent of 5 miles or

1780
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,880
something on.
Stage It's unbelievable that

1781
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,560
that Backstreet Boys *NSYNC
could sing that well while

1782
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:38,160
moving like that.
You know, it's like.

1783
01:23:38,440 --> 01:23:40,240
Because lip syncing wasn't a
thing back then.

1784
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:42,400
It wasn't there, no.
Well, and the thing that.

1785
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,320
The word.
Attracts the thing that we would

1786
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:47,360
all be familiar with is a
drummer will tell you if you

1787
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:50,560
play a 2 hour show that's
equivalent of running 5 miles

1788
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:53,640
that's why most drummers are
runners yeah for.

1789
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:53,880
Sure.
Wow.

1790
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:57,000
Yeah, that's.
True, that's a cardio.

1791
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,360
Like I always tell people, it
takes a certain kind of

1792
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:01,720
mentality to want to beat the
shit out of something for hours

1793
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:03,000
on end.
Because it's not really a

1794
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:06,640
musical instrument, right?
Unless you have a band there.

1795
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:08,880
Don't tell that to a drummer.
Don't tell to Neil.

1796
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:10,720
Pierce I tell that to drummers
all the time.

1797
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:13,200
Neil, Neil would Neil would roll
over the great.

1798
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:14,720
Wait a minute.
What'd you say, Mike?

1799
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:18,680
When you put it in context,
you're not making notes right.

1800
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:20,640
You got to tune the Toms right a
little bit.

1801
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:23,320
You do.
No, not even a little bit, Ask

1802
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:25,640
Chris.
I was a stickler for that one

1803
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:27,000
too.
Oh yeah.

1804
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:30,200
Scott taught me a lot about how
to arrange songs and how to

1805
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:32,560
write songs.
I taught him how to fucking put

1806
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:36,560
his drums just right because
when I met him they were over

1807
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:40,480
ringing over each other and not
they just weren't tuned.

1808
01:24:40,480 --> 01:24:41,680
Right.
Well, you can't hear.

1809
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:43,400
I don't think drummers can hear
behind the kit.

1810
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:45,440
I don't think they're hearing
what we hear because it's going.

1811
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:48,160
Forward.
Here's the difference.

1812
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,880
You go from being a guy playing
in his bedroom, we've talked

1813
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:54,000
about this to a guy playing in
the garage.

1814
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:58,240
The first time a drummer has to
be on APA system, that's the

1815
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:01,040
first time they've ever been
electronic, right?

1816
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:03,160
Guitar players have always had
their amplifier.

1817
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:04,960
Bass players always have their
amplifier.

1818
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,280
Chris and Carl both have to have
APA system because they're the

1819
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:11,000
lead singer.
But that's the first time

1820
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:13,320
drummers have ever had
microphones on there.

1821
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:17,240
And shit changes dramatically
when you put a microphone on an

1822
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:19,320
acoustic drum.
That's true, yeah.

1823
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:23,360
And I'm a stickler for them
sounding badass coming out of

1824
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:27,040
the PA because if there's too
many overtones, then that starts

1825
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:31,240
to bleed into your vocals, my
guitar, the bass, and bad things

1826
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:33,360
happen.
That's where the audience

1827
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:36,320
leaves.
Mike, I would love to send you I

1828
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:38,840
just released a song on iTunes
this past week called To the

1829
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,720
Future and What called.
What called what?

1830
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:45,600
To the future, To the future.
My Carl Anthology is my stage

1831
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:50,440
name, but but we recorded that
in in college, like years and

1832
01:25:50,440 --> 01:25:52,440
years ago and I found it in the
archives and I'm like, I'm just

1833
01:25:52,440 --> 01:25:53,440
going to put this on iTunes.
Sweet.

1834
01:25:53,480 --> 01:25:56,080
But you could probably RIP that
one apart like I don't.

1835
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:58,440
Know no.
Only if you ask me.

1836
01:25:58,440 --> 01:25:59,600
Now see.
No.

1837
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:01,480
So you'll have to go.
I love it you you'll have you'll

1838
01:26:01,480 --> 01:26:03,880
have to go listen to a couple
episodes now, Carl, because we

1839
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:06,720
always open with a song Mike and
I wrote called Freeman that is

1840
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:08,920
that lyrically it's still
relevant today, but.

1841
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:09,480
Didn't you?
Nice.

1842
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:12,480
Hear hear me singing a mic jam
and you can hear the band.

1843
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:14,800
Yeah, I'd love to hear that.
I want to.

1844
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:18,160
Re record that, it's so bad.
It's yeah, I do too.

1845
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:19,560
Are you man?
What?

1846
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:22,040
What's the artist on?
On iTunes it's under.

1847
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:22,960
You won't.
It's not.

1848
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:24,880
We're not on iTunes.
Yet you got to figure out how to

1849
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:29,280
OK.
It's just a demo from like 1995

1850
01:26:29,480 --> 01:26:33,600
that we recorded basically in my
apartment and I drums in a

1851
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:36,000
double wide trailer.
I see.

1852
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:38,400
Yeah.
So, but I mean, it's still, it

1853
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,000
still sounds like it.
I mean it's.

1854
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:43,440
We get so many compliments on
it, man, but the way I hear it

1855
01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:46,440
in my head and the way Chris was
going to lay his vocals down

1856
01:26:46,440 --> 01:26:48,440
originally, I just so want to do
that.

1857
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:53,320
He had the megaphone idea before
Weiland or anybody.

1858
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:56,960
That's where that's where that
idea originated from, was that

1859
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:58,600
song.
He's like, here's what I want to

1860
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:00,240
do.
I want to have this guy talking

1861
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:03,360
in this voice and I want to have
this guy telling this part of

1862
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:05,320
the story.
And it was genius.

1863
01:27:05,480 --> 01:27:08,520
But we just never got to put it
down the way that we had talked

1864
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:10,520
about it years ago.
Yeah, yeah.

1865
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:11,800
Oh, yeah.
I want to hear it.

1866
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:14,000
You got, you guys are more in
like heavy, heavier stuff,

1867
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:14,720
right?
Heavy metal.

1868
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,080
It would be the Hard Rock.
It's Hard Rock.

1869
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:19,680
We, we, I, I always tell people
when they ask what we sound

1870
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:21,360
like, we were Creed before Creed
was Creed.

1871
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:22,960
Because that's how I wrote
lyrically.

1872
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:25,000
Our oh, Creed.
But Creed's kind of like, not

1873
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:25,960
that hard.
Right.

1874
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,920
No, but we had elements of it
like we opened for Sacred Reich

1875
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:31,480
and enough's enough in Marshall
Tucker Band, just to name three.

1876
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:34,240
Oh yeah, the dynamic there the.
Marshall Tucker Band's like,

1877
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:35,480
yeah.
Uh huh.

1878
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:36,440
But we could.
That's the thing.

1879
01:27:36,440 --> 01:27:39,360
We could play with anybody
because our music was just that

1880
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:41,560
music.
It was it was it invited you in?

1881
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,360
We'd come out, bust 3 songs
without me saying a word to the

1882
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:46,320
crowd and just boom, boom, boom
in your face.

1883
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:48,400
And then they were just like, oh
sweet, what do we have?

1884
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:51,520
Here we'd beat him over the head
for like 11 straight minutes.

1885
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:53,480
And then you finally say
something.

1886
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:55,720
Yeah, you win them over.
Yeah, I like that.

1887
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:57,440
Yeah, that's sweet, but you know
that the.

1888
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:00,000
Chris, he was shy.
He had to warm up to the crowd a

1889
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:01,480
little.
Bit he was so I'm kind of like

1890
01:28:01,480 --> 01:28:03,240
that too.
I mean, no, no, no, I'm Chris is

1891
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:05,360
not shy but.
He's not on any level.

1892
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:09,120
But for some reason I get shy
when I'm get on there.

1893
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:15,120
Do you get shy or do you get
like, I used to call it, like an

1894
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:16,720
adrenaline?
Are you talking like stage

1895
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:18,760
fright?
No, not stage fright.

1896
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:21,960
Like I'm I'm excited to perform,
but like in the middle of songs

1897
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:24,920
and stuff, I'm just like so bad.
Like saying stuff.

1898
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:26,400
Oh, he.
He was not.

1899
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:30,480
Yeah, like that's a talent that
maybe I need to practice a

1900
01:28:30,480 --> 01:28:32,640
little bit more.
Our band takes a little bit of

1901
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:35,520
time in between because we, I
don't know if they got to do

1902
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:37,760
their stuff and I'm just like
standing there, like, come on,

1903
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:39,200
guys like mix up.
I can't.

1904
01:28:39,480 --> 01:28:43,280
I can't talk Chris up enough to
like if shit hit the fan.

1905
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:47,960
He was just take control, kind.
Of he.

1906
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:51,720
Would start giving away free
drinks to the crowds or T-shirts

1907
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:55,120
or bumper stickers it's like do
what you need to do man I got

1908
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:56,400
this it's.
All that's sweet.

1909
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:00,760
That's awesome.
Probably the first conversation

1910
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:06,520
I had with my drummer when we
had first met Chris was that was

1911
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:08,240
the compliment I gave him right
away.

1912
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:10,320
I'm like, we're going to be able
to walk on a stage and this

1913
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:11,680
guy's not going to have any
fear.

1914
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:13,720
We went from a guy who had stage
fright.

1915
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:18,240
The first gig we played in front
of like 1000 people got the best

1916
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:20,760
gig you could imagine at the
Electric Ballroom back in the

1917
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:23,440
day, OK?
And there was literally like

1918
01:29:23,440 --> 01:29:27,680
1000 people there that night and
this guy froze and my drummer

1919
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:29,520
was like, that can never happen
again.

1920
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:32,360
And I couldn't argue with that.
You can't be afraid to go on

1921
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:34,280
stage.
Yeah, you got to be pumped.

1922
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:37,960
Yeah, so Chris was the
antithesis of being afraid to go

1923
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:39,840
on stage.
He was like, let's go.

1924
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:43,000
How'd?
You find Chris, stop there.

1925
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:46,160
Just firing that other guy.
I just wanted to jam, man.

1926
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:48,520
I just want to jam.
I have to bail because my my

1927
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:49,560
truck's ready.
So this.

1928
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:51,640
I probably got to go to man.
I'm braid that.

1929
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:52,600
We got to wrap.
This up?

1930
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:54,840
Yeah, too much fun.
Carl, you got to come back and

1931
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:56,960
do this again with us for sure.
Man, yeah, we'll do.

1932
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:59,400
We'll have a show on you what
you actually planned to have you

1933
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:01,840
come on and we can talk all
kinds of things again because,

1934
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:05,840
you know, whatever you want.
We had to answer the text, man.

1935
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:07,520
That was, that's fucking right
on, dude.

1936
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:09,120
Thanks for having me on guys, I
appreciate.

1937
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:11,680
It so nice to meet you.
Yeah, nice to meet you.

1938
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:15,000
We'll have to I'll text you my
link to my iTunes.

1939
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:17,160
Yeah, absolutely.
Please let me know what your

1940
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:18,600
honest thoughts are, that'd be
great.

1941
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:20,400
Yeah, absolutely.
And then we always wrap up the

1942
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:21,880
show that don't let the bad days
win.

1943
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:24,160
Mike and I have both been
touched by someone who's who's

1944
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:26,400
taking their life.
So Somebody Loves You, somebody

1945
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:27,480
miss you.
Don't put that hole in

1946
01:30:27,480 --> 01:30:30,680
somebody's heart.
Talk to somebody, go to sleep.

1947
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:31,840
Tomorrow's going to be a better
day.

1948
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:33,280
You will be missed.
You are loved.

1949
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:35,200
Peace.
Love you brother.

1950
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:37,640
Love you man, thanks.
Carl.

1951
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:39,240
Have a good night, Carl.
You too.

1952
01:30:39,400 --> 01:31:00,040
Peace.
This is the place where you will

1953
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:06,320
go.
Feel the trail behind your eyes.

1954
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:14,040
Feel yourself and need yourself.
Take a moment, Look until you

1955
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:16,440
see him.
Fight the battle.

1956
01:31:16,440 --> 01:31:20,560
That's you boss wheel.
Fight the battle.

1957
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:24,880
But you boss wheel.
Who is this baby?

1958
01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:46,800
The.
Come down here, you haven't

1959
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:53,280
found salads in your sand.
You don't fight him.

1960
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:57,720
Wait for the dead when he's
closer.

1961
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:01,840
I'm here for the wind.
You ain't no creature.

1962
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:06,080
When the plants found you,
should you put it on the

1963
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:10,000
Almighty?
You've got a dream.

1964
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:17,880
Who in your life to keep our
soul in every man?

1965
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:23,000
Take the trail behind your eyes.
Feel the soul evolution now.

1966
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:32,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.

1967
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:37,000
Take your moment.
We can see you.

1968
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:41,400
See him find your family.
To you more clear.

1969
01:33:41,400 --> 01:34:08,610
You
gotta, you gotta.

1970
01:34:09,290 --> 01:34:10,930
You gotta.
You gotta.

1971
01:34:11,010 --> 01:34:51,760
You gotta.
The.