#136 - Dennis Campbell - The Evolution of AI

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You guys, here we go and a
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Welcome YouTube and Twitch
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Yes, welcome Twitchers.
I don't know why it pauses like

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that.
We're still hearing it.

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Did you pause it?
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Oh, OK.
All right.

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I just like the song, man.
Me too.

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There you go.
Welcome, boys and girls.

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It's Chris and Mike's show.
He's Chris.

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No, I'm Chris.
I'm Chris.

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He's Mike.
This is Mr. Bistech Dennis in

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the House.
Welcome, Dennis.

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Nice to meet you man.
What's up, Dennis?

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Nice to meet you guys, man.
I got doing.

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What's up?
What's up, man?

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We, you know, we're just it's a
Tuesday afternoon recording a

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show to go, you know, on the
podcast channel, all the kind of

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fun stuff, man.
So we thank you for joining us.

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It's been a while since we
originally spoke, I believe,

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because we have this this long,
like not long, but we have like

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this new list of people.
There's a list, there's a list,

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man, which when we started this,
we never knew there'd be a list.

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You know we.
Were lucky to get a guest in the

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beginning.
It's kind of cool to have a

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list, man.
It is, I love it.

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So usually I don't go in and and
poke at who's coming on the show

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because I like to be real, raw
and organic when we have

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conversations.
But I got to confess, I went on

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your Facebook page last night
because I was trying, Hey,

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Michael, Because I was trying to
find your e-mail.

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Because usually I stick it in my
phone, so it's attached.

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But no.
But the cool thing about it is

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not, I have some background on
you.

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Like, you're all AI.
Yeah, you're all like in the AI

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and stuff.
And then which?

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Him and I are just as much.
Man, Yeah, yeah.

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And I'm loving it right now.
I mean, I've been studying for

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years.
So I'm, I'm excited about the,

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the commercialization of it
right now too.

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It's a, it's a good time for
creative people to be able to

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use AI and even business people
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It's just a super powerful tool
right now.

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Yeah.
What capacity are you using it?

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I mean, so you had to understand
me to understand that I'm using

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it at a very high capacity.
Like, so I'm an engineer, I

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build software.
I'm a tech first kind of guy,

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man.
It says Mr. Business taking my

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name.
And it's not any by any

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imagination, something I kind of
dabble in.

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I've been in the deep end for
about 15 years.

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So I, I'm build a lot of cool
technology, man.

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So AI honestly is something that
I've just always been aware of

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really since about 2009, 2010,
even before commercialization, I

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went to pretty prestige, just
kind of engineering institute.

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I went to Georgia Tech down in
Atlanta and got to get exposed

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to some really cool stuff when I
was in college.

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So it kind of gave me some
insight about this stuff much

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earlier than where it is now.
And now I'm kind of excited to

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be able to use it to explore
marketing more effectively,

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telling stories more effectively
and just kind of being more

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creative.
But I'm, I'm also using it in my

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business a whole lot.
Like I could go down a number of

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different trees where I just
kind of use it in, in so many

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different ways to really be
effective.

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It's just.
I tell people all the time, man,

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this podcast wouldn't exist
without AI.

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We don't have the time to do
like a lot of the animations and

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the write ups, you know, Chris
and I will go in and tweak them

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after they're done to, you know,
get rid of the redundancy or

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whatever.
But in a positive note, that's

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how we use it all the time is
just to speed up the process of

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getting these shows out because
you know, we both work full time

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jobs too, so.
You know for sure.

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Where do you see that going as
far as like you know, they're,

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they say that AI is going to
replace so many jobs and do you

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see that happening in what
capacity and when?

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So I just look at it from a
different lens, like it's

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definitely going to replace
that, but it's going to create

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new ones too.
So honestly, people are needing

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to develop more AI skills like,
you know, you know, we're all in

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America, but you just have to
look around the world and like

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look at the tempo in which some
other nations are, are kind of

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teaching the the next generation
about how to use AI, how they're

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integrating it into everyday
education systems and things of

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that nature.
You got to understand that those

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are naturally things that we
have to start doing here in the

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States because AI is meant to
not take anything from anyone.

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It's really meant to remove
inefficiency.

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Similar to what it's doing for
you on your podcast, you know

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what I'm saying?
Similar to what it does for me

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in business and as a creative
and all these other great

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things.
It's literally meant to make

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stuff more efficient.
So figure out how to use it and

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then go do whatever you were
already planning on doing

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before, and you'll probably
figure out you'd probably be

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able to do it in a much more
efficient clip or probably

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faster or more effectively.
So that's kind of how I look at

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it, you know what I'm saying?
Yeah, and see, I in, in the last

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two days because I, I'm in real
estate.

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So I blog, I market, I make
videos and shit.

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I now have hey Jen, which
generates the, the the AI twin,

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right?
That does some stuff that I use

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that for.
I have chat GP.

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I've had that for quite a while.
My guy's name is Dave.

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We have really good
conversations.

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Unless he pisses me off, tell
him, go tell him go fuck

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himself.
You know, he was doing some shit

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last night, man.
I was, I was telling him, do me

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something like I give him all
the prompts and shit and he's

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fucking dropping all these
scripts.

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And I'm like, Dave, I'm not, I
don't want scripts, man.

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You're supposed to follow the
guideline.

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So, so I, you know, so, but so
it's funny in that aspect.

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But just to your point, Dennis,
it, it's time saving because

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what used to take me say 20
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I use Active Rain because Active
Rain is a platform for real

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estate.
If you didn't know that, right?

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So inside of that I have to go
click what state I'm in, what

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kind of topic it falls under,
whether it's like real estate,

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general information than
Arizona, then the county, than

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the city, and then the
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And I got to put in all the
hashtags and all the keywords

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and shit.
So what AI, what Dave's done for

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me is I'll, I'll do a paragraph
of a city like, hey, Dave, I

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want to do, I want to do 30 days
of blogs based on this city.

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Here's the important components
use, you know, everything I've

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taught you and, and go scour
everything and generate me 30

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days worth of blogs.
And then he'll be like, I don't

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want to do 30 at a time.
I'm like, that's cool.

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Let's store the memory.
Give me 3 right now.

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And then So then I just go back
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and read them and and make sure
there's legit because I'll, you

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know, sometimes he's a whack A
mole, but it truly I have I have

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content set up just from today.
What I do today.

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I have seven days of content on
Instagram and I have content on

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LinkedIn and Active rain until
the 24th of this month with what

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Mike and I do on our YouTube
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He allows me, I, I take the 10
to 15 reels we get from these

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shows like you're going to get,
I'm going to e-mail you 10 to 15

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reels, whatever we get from the
show once it's done.

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So you can use it however you
want, right, Dennis?

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But I take Dave and I say, OK,
here's here's the real topic.

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So whatever the whatever we
named those reels, right?

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And then Dave will write me a
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that and give me the hashtag.
And so I just pump it into

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YouTube.
And then it's just a matter of

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scheduling out and doing it.
My biggest, my biggest time,

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time consuming aspects are
plugging the shit in.

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So if we could figure out a way
to just take Dave and Hadrian

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and Active Rain to all talk,
that would be fabulous, because

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then I could just like.
Well, talk to us.

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About that, Dennis, is that.
Is that something that he can

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look forward to?
I mean, there's tools that can

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do that.
So I mean, and you're talking to

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another thing about me.
I know we didn't get into no

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back story, but like I build
technology at like the highest

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level.
So like when people talk to me

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about technology based problems,
I'm typically the guy who's in

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the mix of like also making
technology based solutions for

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like really innovative stuff.
So like this kind of stuff we're

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talking about.
I help people like build

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businesses around things like
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stuff like that.
But there are some platforms

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that kind of can help you.
I don't know exactly about the

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platforms you're just going on,
but there are platforms where

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you can do kind of bat
scheduling and all that kind of

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the good stuff too.
But yeah, they, those things are

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definitely, I'm on the horizon.
They're kind of going to get

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better and better and more
integrated with all the AI

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platforms you already use and
stuff like this.

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So you definitely anticipate a
whole lot more that.

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Yeah, the one cool thing about
the platforms I use, I can

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schedule out.
So it's just, it's just, and I

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can just set it and forget it.
So once a week I usually dive

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into that and just kind of like,
OK, it's the day I got to do all

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this shit, which is not fun
because it's mundane, right?

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But.
Yes, kind of like editing.

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Yeah, yeah.
So there's another way that AI

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helps us.
The reels that you're going to

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get, I doctor them up, I make
them look better and sound

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better.
But the initial bulk of the

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work, that's all done by AI too
as well.

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All of it because you know how
long?

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Well, I don't know it.
You probably edited a lot of

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video in your life, right?
I've edited some video for sure.

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I've actually I've been doing a
decent amount of it recently for

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sure.
But yeah, I know it's.

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Super time consuming, yes,
definitely.

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Yeah.
AI helps a lot with that.

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Yeah, I looked at some of your
content and it's just pretty

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legit, man.
I like it.

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I appreciate it, man.
I've been getting better at it,

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man.
I've been putting some work in

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it up at the for the past couple
of years or so, trying to, yeah,

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kind of get a better cadence of
creating stuff.

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I feel like kind of just
resonates the right way with the

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audience, but also represents me
the right way too.

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Yeah, that's cool.
So before the show, we all kind

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of pointed out the fact that
he's wearing a Cardinals hat.

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And so we're all kind of from
the Midwest, which is kind of

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cool.
I thought he was from Illinois,

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but he's from Missouri.
But it's all good in Missouri.

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We're neighbors.
We're neighbors.

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So you you've been doing, you've
been, you've been studying and

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researching AI for 15 years.
You you've said that a couple

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times and I saw it on your on
your social stuff too.

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So what was it that drew you
into that to made you because

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you're ahead of the game by a
long shot, right?

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Because most people have just
really introduced and embraced

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AI in the last like three to
five years, you would think, I

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mean, correct me if I'm wrong.
Probably being generous, it's

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probably just been within the
last couple.

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I would say that the public has
started to use it to the level

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that you're using it.
What do you think, Dennis?

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How long?
It it's definitely in the range

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like the, the mass adoption has
been spiking over the past three

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years, but it's really just at
the cadence of the software too.

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So like all this software is
kind of and this year has been

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one of the biggest years in
growth for this AI platform

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usage.
But last year it started spiking

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some.
This year it's like spiking way

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more intensive because they're
just making way more dope stuff.

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So now.
So why?

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Why is that?
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What's the difference between
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years more user friendly?
And I got you, I got you.

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So the thing that's different,
honestly, is I got this.

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You asking the right?
Way.

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That's why I asked you, man.
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when I was when I first started
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advanced technologies and
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government.
So there's going to be parts of

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the government that get advanced
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research institutions like MIT
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really like high level
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let that are people are actually
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technology.
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wasn't at the level of
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So you know, they're, you know,
they're talking a lot about data

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centers and stuff like that.
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formats of places where they're
having to aggregate all of the

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stuff that people are using the
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The real the real reason why AI
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because there's much more data
highway for people to do the

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kind of stuff that AI is
extremely data intensive.

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So like for first, cloud
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a way where it could handle what
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But like we're talking about
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streaming times 20 or something
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when it comes to all of the
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back end.
When you go say, hey, edit up

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three hours of video content for
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social media content for me.
Strategize based off of this

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It's a lot of computing power.

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We're just now getting to a
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highway for the kind of data
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this at the level we're doing it
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And it's really just continuing
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works.
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wasn't there.
We barely had cloud computing 15

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interconnectivity that we have
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That's the why stuff can travel
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That's why Google and Facebook
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companies are are even more
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solutions to the market.
Then tech DPT had to do a lot of

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work to become the next big tech
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other tech companies that were
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So all story shortest
infrastructure.

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Man, that that's kind of, I
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I kind of went around in a
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Bit no, no, no, you're good.
That's every everything you said

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was 100% accurate and I'll put
this into better how old are

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you, Dennis?
I'm. 35.

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I'll put this into better
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So I'm 52, Chris is 55. 5535.
I have a degree in.

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Digital, Dennis.
I have a degree in digital

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electrical imaging, which
doesn't mean anything anymore

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other than it's going to put
this into perspective for you.

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When I ran a scanner back in the
day, we were just starting to

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switch from film to digital,
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To scan even a 500 megabyte file
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there wasn't the computing power
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Like the point he just made is
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The world had to wait until the
infrastructure was laid down.

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The ideas were there, everybody
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you could not make it work
because what we're doing right

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now was not even possible.
So, so from an infrastructure

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standpoint, we're talking about
fiber optic cabling and this

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kind of the you're talking.
About high speed Internet, but

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more important than that, the
point that he made, and I'm

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intimately familiar with this
because I work for a company

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that will never be mentioned on
this podcast, but we happen to

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build the support systems for
these server farms, right?

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So I've been intimately involved
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back in the 90s, starting this
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working for a company that
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You know, I was like, where is
all this shit going?

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And that's what they kept
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We're building a cloud
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Well, nobody even knew what that
was at the time, but now it

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makes sense, right?
What you just said was

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brilliant.
We needed that computing power,

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the data center, to be able to
make all this AI happen.

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That was very well said.
You didn't go around anything.

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That was great.
That was a great answer.

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I don't know.
But not.

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Yeah, I don't know where you're
gonna go from here.

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You already answered.
You answered all the questions

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man.
Come on man, I know you got.

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More Oh no, I got a million more
questions.

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Yeah, go ahead.
Fire away, man.

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That's interesting though.
That's fascinating.

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I, I, I, I, I was kind of hoping
you were going to say like, oh,

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and I watched the Terminator
that just, I wanted to, I wanted

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to get to the cyber, you know, I
wanted to learn how to make my

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own Terminator.
I tell you, maybe you want to

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make technology.
It wasn't terminated though, but

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that's funny.
So do you think that AI

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transitions into robotics for
like, you know, they're talking

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about having home servants and
things like that?

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Does AI?
It obviously translates over

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into.
Of course it's already there.

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Honestly, there's people already
making this kind of stuff.

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They have like little mini
robots.

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You can tell them what to do.
They walk around Pick.

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Stuff.
Those MIT robots are creepy,

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man.
Yeah, they had they, they're

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doing a lot of this stuff now,
man.

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They're starting to try to
figure out how to make

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commercialize.
I mean, I'm, I thought I robot

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when I was younger.
So I just kind of have a certain

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like I need one of those things.
You got to there's different

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things you can have to like
almost shut down any computer.

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You got to have stuff like that
around you at all time in the in

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the world that we're going into
because it's going to get tricky

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out here, real tricky real soon.
So I'm going to date myself.

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You probably don't remember
this.

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There was a, there was a talking
teddy bear back in the day

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called Teddy Ruxpin.
Oh yeah.

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And brother loved that thing.
Getting shit dude that shit with

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freaky.
And it was run by a cassette

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tape.
Dennis.

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Yeah, a cassette tale.
Yep.

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So what, how do you, what do you
do on a day-to-day basis to

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incorporate?
Because I, again, I, I kind of

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poked at your stuff.
So obviously you're, you're

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helping people like myself or,
you know, in just in the AI

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world itself.
So like tell people, cuz when

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you come on our show, we're all
about you.

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We're all promoting you, helping
people find you, helping people

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understand what you do business
wise and how to make you more

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successful.
Get your name out there more and

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more.
So kind of share a little bit of

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light on what you do and, and
how you're using this on an

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everyday basis to help other
people accomplish what they want

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to accomplish.
Like if I came to you and say,

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hey, Dennis, I'm a realtor, I
want to dominate the city.

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I don't know shit about AI.
What would you do to help me all

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of a sudden be able to blow up
in the city?

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And every time somebody turns
around and they're seeing my

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name or seeing my logo or seeing
my brand or, you know, you know,

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expand and without without
giving away your trade seekers

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because we want people to of.
Course of course, of course, of

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course, of course, of course.
Got you.

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So really.
So let me give you some

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framework for this.
So I'm a consultant, I'm a

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business and a technology
consultant.

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So basically, like I said, I've
been in tech over 15 years,

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taking a lot of my experience,
knowledge, expertise, all this

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stuff and kind of capstone it
into this consulting firm that I

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run where I literally just help
people basically be more

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effective in using technology to
build innovative solutions and

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assets for their businesses.
Now that means a lot of

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different things, but ultimately
my service is really holistic.

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Like I kind of help people from
idea all the way to this is

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ready for you to take it to the
market and reach hundreds of

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thousands of millions of people
and solve their problem.

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Really effective.
Now everything in between there

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is a ongoing, it's a process
that I take people to.

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It's like a four step process
and I do the same thing for

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every client.
Every time they on board with

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us, we get an understanding of
where they want to go and where

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they're at taking that
information, anything like what

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a typical consultant would do.
And we understand, OK, you're

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here, you're wanting to address
problems like this for more

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people in this space.
And then we at innovative

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strategy solution specialist, we
come in and say, OK, I've been

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playing around with mobile
technology, hardware based

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technology, AI based innovative
tech for years.

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I know almost every trick of the
tray.

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And I have like, basically, if
you want to call the HVAC

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specialist and say, Hey, my
heaters not working right or I

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needed to get hotter in my
house, I got a tool bag that

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said, Hey, I got a, a brand and
I want to be more effective to

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using technology and get into
these kind of people really,

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really fast.
And I may have a software

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platform or web platform to
solve some kind of problem for

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them.
Can you help me make this

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software more effective for
getting these people's problems

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solved?
I'm doing this in a story format

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too.
So it doesn't like kind of bore

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because it's the steps of the
process are very much so similar

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to what every any business
consultant would do.

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But when you come in and say,
we're going to come with

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innovative tech strategy.
So now it's like I'm naturally

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going to come in and throw in
different forms of technology

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that could be more effective at
doing what you're trying to get

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done.
So now it's like somebody might

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need a different software to
service platform, or they might

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need a new feature in their
outreach plat pipeline, or they

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might need a more effective way
to aggregate leads or be more

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like whatever it is, it's a
number of different things and

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directions you can go in, but
one of the, and I'll give you an

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example.
So most people come to me and we

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say, hey, I need to understand
what direction you want to go

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in.
So I have a process, it's called

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the visionary deck, where I can
take, it might take about two

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weeks, maybe 3 weeks depending
on where the client is.

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We go through this process and
we kind of really understand

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what direction they want to go
in, what problem they're

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solving, where it's hitting the
market.

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And then we use AI and take all
the data from that intake

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session and create what we call
a visionary deck that allows me

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and the client that I'm working
with to be able to see.

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Clearly where we're about to be
aligned and working for the next

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however long we're working
together to build whatever

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solution they're looking for.
But this deck is also really,

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it's important for me to be on
the same page with them so I can

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know what direction they're
going in.

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It's better for them to be able
to communicate with other people

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when they want to say, hey, I
need a new partner for this, or

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hey, I need a new team member
that can help me with this, or

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hey, we need a new outreach
strategy that can focus on

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getting this part of the puzzle
done for our marketing, whatever

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it is.
They'll have that visionary deck

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that I use a decent amount of AI
to kind of take in all of these

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intake session and formulate
this thing that allows them to

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have a very clear way to
communicate what they're looking

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to.
Do I like your visionary

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concept?
That really helped me understand

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what you're doing now.
I'm glad you gave that example

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because now.
I appreciate it.

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Yeah, that so we.
Do that at the gate, yeah.

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And then after that, I help them
now I appreciate it.

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And then it then there's three
more steps after that.

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I help them plan.
We create these technical plans

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00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,360
that help them really understand
what it's going to take to build

452
00:20:58,360 --> 00:21:00,840
out whatever they're looking to
get built because I don't just

453
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,560
take people in the building
technology without them

454
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:03,680
understanding what's going to
happen.

455
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,120
So I make sure I go through that
process and give them some

456
00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:07,840
insight.
My service, like I said, it's

457
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,920
coaching and consulting.
So some of the coaching elements

458
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,960
come in where I kind of make
sure that the insight and

459
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,720
experience that I've had, this
being a part of a lot of growing

460
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,520
tech companies, it's kind of
given to the clients that I'm

461
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,160
working with in a way that can
work for them.

462
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,120
And then after we make that
technical plan, they can take

463
00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:25,920
the plan, go manage and develop
the project themselves, or they

464
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,840
can work with us to manage and
develop the project.

465
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,840
They run a pilot, take it to
market, figure out what growth

466
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,520
and scaling looks like, whether
it's raising capital, getting a

467
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,840
bunch of revenue from a bunch of
different clients, or

468
00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:40,400
strategizing on what go to
market actually looks like to,

469
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:41,720
to get the growth that they're
looking for.

470
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,720
So it's all of that in, in, in
one kind of nutshell.

471
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,200
I'm trying to keep everything
consolidated because but it, but

472
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,160
it's one of those things where
it's just four step process and

473
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,680
we we use AI across all those
other three pillars too.

474
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,240
I'll talk in detail about the
Visionary deck, but with the

475
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,240
project planning I've been ACTO
multiple times so I'm bringing a

476
00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,400
lot of my insight there when it
comes to high level technical

477
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,520
planning to using a tell.
People what a CTO is.

478
00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:06,080
A CTO is a chief technical
officer.

479
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,000
So basically it's a person that
comes into a company and

480
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,240
operates as an executive that
really helps with technology

481
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,360
based execution and strategy and
system development and team

482
00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:17,600
building and all that kind of
other stuff.

483
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,480
But.
A lot of times when I say tell

484
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,040
people what that is, you're
telling me what?

485
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:25,400
It is so thank you.
You all good for sure.

486
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,360
But yeah, so that that's kind of
something that's the experience

487
00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:29,720
that I have.
So I'll bring that into helping

488
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,840
with the plan.
We rapidly develop plans that

489
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,200
they can understand from a cost
Time Team perspective, so they

490
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,560
can know what it really takes to
get whatever project it is

491
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,960
completed.
We do similar things with the

492
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,640
development.
There are components of our

493
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,360
development systems now that
I've been an engineer for years

494
00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:46,080
building software in all
different kind of ways.

495
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,480
But there are a lot of AI based
tools to kind of speed up

496
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,520
software development right now.
So we work a lot with those

497
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,160
types of tools as well in the
process.

498
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,480
Without giving out either your
trade secrets or who you've

499
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:02,200
worked with, give us an example,
you know, or maybe you can of

500
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,800
you know different companies
that you've worked with that

501
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,840
you've helped do these kind of
things.

502
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,080
For sure.
I mean, so I've got a lot of

503
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,480
recent clients that I'm working
with right now that I'm using

504
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,760
newer AI strategy with.
But I mean honestly like I have

505
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,840
a resume of like just a bunch of
stuff I've done.

506
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:21,920
So like the last project I was a
part of that was like very large

507
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,520
and just kind of like in, in a
very just visible position.

508
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,280
And I probably can take about 3,
but I I'll talk about 1

509
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,680
specifically.
I'm a point owner of a mobile

510
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,320
telecom company called Mullah
Wireless with Mullah Mobile.

511
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,360
And basically Mullah Mobile
sells devices, it creates

512
00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:41,320
software for these devices, it
makes custom phones and tablets.

513
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,400
And I was a part of that team as
the CTO.

514
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,280
So I did a lot of different
things to really help build

515
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,760
strategy for technology based
systems in a complete mobile

516
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,360
device company, similar to like
a Samsung or Apple or any of

517
00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:56,600
that kind of stuff, but just in
a much larger, I mean a much

518
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,680
smaller scale, but ultimately
still capable of doing all of

519
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,280
those similar systems.
So when we were running that

520
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,520
there, there was a lot of things
that I use AI for to kind of

521
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:10,640
help keep teams together,
develop plans, create more

522
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,240
effective kind of marketing and
outreach materials, messaging,

523
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,000
documentation and all that kind
of other stuff.

524
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:22,200
All of those processes get 10 to
15% faster and maybe even more

525
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,160
when I start integrating AI
based systems.

526
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,440
And I've been using AI on a
day-to-day basis in my as an

527
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,640
executive and engineer and
innovative for probably the

528
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,240
past, I would say 4 to yeah,
probably say four years.

529
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,520
Like I, I use it every day, but
it's, it's so many things that I

530
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,120
would be using it for that it,
it could get like, I don't need,

531
00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:41,680
I look at it, I just use it as a
natural tool.

532
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,680
It's almost like picking up a
pencil or a pen or something

533
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,680
like that.
So now for me, it's, it's

534
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,040
integrated in so many different
things, but I do do a lot of

535
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,160
fact checking.
I'm, I'm an avid researcher, so

536
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,400
I don't just use AI blindly.
I kind of like use it very much

537
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,640
so as a kind of extension of
what I kind of already

538
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,800
understand and more rapid.
I think all three of us would

539
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,280
have that in common for sure,
yeah.

540
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,480
OK, that, that's kind of how I
do it.

541
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,520
So Moolah is something out that
and, and this is a whole company

542
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,560
that we built a whole new suite
of mobile devices.

543
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,520
It was tablets, phones,
literally we rolled them all

544
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,360
out.
We they got sold on Walmart.

545
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,720
We were working with large scale
advertisers for the advertising

546
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,880
systems in these devices.
We had a suite of about 7 to 8

547
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,160
applications that were kind of
running these devices as well as

548
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,440
running the firmware system.
So I'm saying that we were

549
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,440
developing a lot of stuff.
We were still developing in more

550
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,160
legacy methods, but the way that
I was managing doing all of that

551
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,160
is like, and we were still, this
is not a large scale mobile

552
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,560
telecom company.
Like we had a decent team, we

553
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,520
had a government contract, we
were doing some good business,

554
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,240
but this isn't a large scale
company and we're doing very

555
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,800
large scale projects.
We're capable of running and

556
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,320
managing multiple different
teams.

557
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,040
And ultimately, AI just help
speed up the process of being

558
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,800
able to manage and communicate
all of the stuff that we were

559
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,280
working on.
That's cool, that's cool.

560
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,920
Man, it is very cool.
Appreciate.

561
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,320
It appreciate it.
So, so how far are we away from

562
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:10,880
AI creating like, you know, a
totally, I don't know how to

563
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,760
explain like a robot that you,
you see walking down the street,

564
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,240
you think it's a regular human
being.

565
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,960
I mean, I wouldn't, I wouldn't
say they would go there far.

566
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,280
Like there's a level where they
can go there far, but I don't

567
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,560
think it's going to happen
anytime soon.

568
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,400
That type of yeah, like I think
it'll be it's a lot of other

569
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,080
more practical applications out
here that they'll probably start

570
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,720
playing around with before they
get to because that that's a

571
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:33,600
crazy project.
But.

572
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,080
It's, don't you think just as
human beings, we want to stay

573
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,480
separate from that just
psychologically?

574
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:41,640
I mean it would.
Make some.

575
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,000
Time like where you make some
sense?

576
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,480
Want to see a distinct
difference other than maybe if

577
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,120
we wanted like a sex robot or.
Something, that's what.

578
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,480
I knew that's where.
You're going but, but, and I'm

579
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,880
not into that shit, but you've
you see it that they're that

580
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,760
they're making like you see,
it's an evidence.

581
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,080
And I don't know how real it is
because right, because you see

582
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,600
reels now on Instagram and
Facebook, like I saw this one,

583
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,640
this company called Astro Vibe.
And I'm like, Oh, that's amazing

584
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,000
what the astronauts are doing in
outer space and stuff and how

585
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,080
they're spacewalking.
And there's and then I scroll

586
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,520
through the thing and I'm like,
Oh, this AI gentleman, like you

587
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,760
assholes, man, like come on,
like, but they made it.

588
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,280
It looks so real.
I'm showing little man, that's

589
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:21,840
my grandson.
Like look, dude, look

590
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,680
spacewalking and and he's like,
whoa, pop up, that's bad.

591
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,480
And then you realize, like you
Scroll down.

592
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:27,760
It's like, Oh man, that's not
real.

593
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,960
OK, You made me think of one of
my other questions.

594
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,120
Thank you.
You're welcome.

595
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,080
Since AI has started, one of the
freakiest things that's happened

596
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:41,480
is they did an entire 2 or 2 1/2
hour podcast of Joe Rogan

597
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,160
interviewing someone that he
never interviewed, right?

598
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,480
Because they took all the words
that he said for however many

599
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,200
10s of thousands of hours he's
been on the air, and they

600
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,280
generated an entire show with a
person that never happened,

601
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,640
right?
How long?

602
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,720
My question is, in your opinion,
how long is it before you can't

603
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,680
distinguish between reality and
AI?

604
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,080
So like, not just artificial
intelligence, but like Chris was

605
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,320
alluding to, what's true and
what's not true.

606
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,840
Yeah.
So we got to, there's a thing

607
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,600
that has happened.
So what you're talking about

608
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:19,720
from a digital perspective,
there is no real way of keeping

609
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:25,840
that level of reality on the
Internet or on digital format.

610
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:31,160
So now we have to take ourselves
out from a lens of like thinking

611
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,880
that we should believe
everything is on the Internet

612
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,480
because people are in that lens
already.

613
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,520
And that lens is not the lens
that you should even like.

614
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,440
There's a level of value that's
on the Internet right now that

615
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,360
humans give the Internet that it
doesn't really deserve.

616
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,520
And there are really people that
are actually supplanting what's

617
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:53,880
real human connection for what's
sometimes not even, it's not

618
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,560
what they actually perceive.
And this is a hard thing to

619
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,520
discuss because what you're
talking about is like,

620
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,800
understand, we're looking on
digital platforms.

621
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,920
So there's nothing that a
digital platform can't do to

622
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,080
visualize what you can see in
another.

623
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,040
Like this stuff can all be
manipulated.

624
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:09,960
This stuff can all be
replicated.

625
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,720
It can all be redistributed on
different streams.

626
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,720
Like it's it's not, there's
nothing stopping those types of

627
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:16,960
things from happening.
So now.

628
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,120
Like Chris says, we're putting
ourselves out there, right?

629
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:20,360
Right.
Yeah.

630
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,280
So now it's one of those things
where it's more about

631
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,520
credibility behind the way that
you distribute things.

632
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,360
Now it's like, can I believe
from the distribution source

633
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,200
that this is something that
either if it is AI generated,

634
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,520
they're letting me know it's AI
and they're giving me that this

635
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,000
is a format of AI that I'm using
for this type of messaging.

636
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,440
Or you have all these other
reputable or somewhat reputable

637
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,400
because I look at the media from
a number of different lenses,

638
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,200
but you have these different
reputable media outlets that may

639
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,600
have seemed like they've lost
some value over the years.

640
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,640
As social media and all this
stuff is written, they become

641
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,840
more valuable because they
actually have real people

642
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,760
addressing real things in a way
that people know it's coming

643
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,800
from a real format.
Now that stuff is what's going

644
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,320
to like differentiate between
all this fake stuff or, and I

645
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,600
only want to call it fake.
I just want to say AI generated

646
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,880
stuff.
The AI generated stuff now

647
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,080
becomes you.
You just have to look at things

648
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,880
from a certain length and only
take things that you should feel

649
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,280
like from real people or real
statements from these credible

650
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,400
distribution sources that you
know are.

651
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,240
That's why social media is still
important because having your

652
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,160
own social media following and
your own social media presence

653
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,920
allows you to kind of message in
a way that's more authentic to

654
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,160
the people that are already
having an affinity of following

655
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,960
you and stuff like that.
And they can kind of somewhat

656
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,800
believe based off of whatever
you position you're missing as I

657
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,640
mean there's AI personalities on
the Internet too as well, so.

658
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,120
That's why I bring this up,
Dennis, because my Facebook feed

659
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,600
is like half untrue stories,
like Chris said, and the other

660
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,160
half is my friends and my
followers and you know.

661
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,680
And Dennis, Dennis is smirking.
So I think Dennis is creating

662
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:57,640
that shit and he's using it as
as, as, as data data to see how

663
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,880
we can mess with the human
humankind, man.

664
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,600
Yeah, I have no time for it.
I'm actually highly.

665
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:09,000
Are we your social experiment?
Yeah, no, I like dumping myself

666
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,960
in any environment to have any
kind of conversation.

667
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,400
So for me, it's like, I don't
really agree time for a lot.

668
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,520
No, I'm laughing too.
Like I'm definitely.

669
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,040
It's all good, but I.
Definitely understand.

670
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,200
Like, yeah, man, it's a lot of
fake stuff out here on the

671
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,560
Internet, but.
And I get suckered into a lot of

672
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:24,760
it.
And then I get pissed off.

673
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,800
I'm like, you know, you'll start
reading the comments and it's

674
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,680
like, that's not true.
It's AI generated.

675
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,360
And I'm like, God damn it, I
fell for it again.

676
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,120
I wanted it to be true.
Kind of like aliens, you know?

677
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,200
Right.
Well, there is aliens.

678
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,200
Aliens are true.
I was about to say they they're

679
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,080
very there's. 3 chefs coming.
Yeah, and they, and so I don't

680
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,600
know what it, it didn't sound
like AI because then a bunch of

681
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,000
news outlets were talking about
it, but you're trying to hit one

682
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,800
of them with a missile and it
and it just kind of ricocheted

683
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,240
off of it and it's still coming,
which is a, which is, which is a

684
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,400
trip.
You know, that's because they're

685
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,480
probably a Type 1 civilization
and they got force fields and

686
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,640
they're generating their own
power, right?

687
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,600
Exactly.
I can respond to this person who

688
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:08,960
texts me.
You're cool man.

689
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,440
So I'm doing something in the
background, which I'm going to,

690
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,360
I'm going to share it here if
it's done, which is going to be

691
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,400
kind of cool because we learned
how to share our screens,

692
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,520
Dennis, because, you know,
technology's kind of cool like

693
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,600
that for sure.
I got to hold on, hold on, hold

694
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:23,880
on.
Don't do it yet, OK?

695
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,040
OK, so we're holding on, man.
As I as I alluded to earlier,

696
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,680
where's the share button, Mike?
It's there somewhere?

697
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,400
There I found it found I found
it.

698
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,640
So as we alluded to earlier, as
I alluded to earlier, anyway, I

699
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,120
have, I have my own AI.
This is me and check it out.

700
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,000
It's in a world of fantasy.
Yeah.

701
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,640
Yeah.
Lost in a world of make believe.

702
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,320
Name the band.
I'm lost in a world of fantasy.

703
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:50,760
Yeah.
Yeah.

704
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,120
Lost in a world of make believe.
Name the band.

705
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,480
Mike, you should know this.
I should.

706
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,560
I'm lost, Lost in the world of
fantasy.

707
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,720
He yeah, yeah.
I was lost, Lost in the world of

708
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:13,960
make believe Triumph, man.
I am from Canada, but so that

709
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,560
that is an AI twin.
I made through the through the

710
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,040
platform.
Hey, Jen and legit while we were

711
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,040
talking, I and it took that
quick to create that video.

712
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,880
Now I mean that I mean I go
deeper than that.

713
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,200
A lot of stuff.
I sent Mike something one time

714
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,840
and he didn't realize it was AI
until I told him it was.

715
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:36,240
AI OK but now ever since I'm so
glad you found this guy because

716
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:41,120
ever since that just OK cool man
I'm glad you found us Dennis.

717
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,400
Ever since he sent me that and
told me that now that when I

718
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,880
watch it and I watch it like
that I'm like that's not my

719
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,720
friend.
So my next question is when does

720
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,800
his emotion crossover into?
Yes.

721
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,760
Because that's what's missing is
those little inflections in his

722
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,560
voice.
That is totally missing because

723
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,360
whenever I close my video show,
I'm like until next time, see

724
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,560
you.
And I can't get that in the AI.

725
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,520
I can't get my plan to have
those.

726
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,719
Yeah, I can't have the the, the
that's like my sign off.

727
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,360
Whenever I do anything like see
you, I can't get it to do that.

728
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,920
I can record it, right, because
I have about 30 different

729
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,920
avatars I recorded on my green
screen just to kind of give me

730
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,360
different dynamics of
conversation and, you know,

731
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,600
waist up, whole body, that kind
of thing.

732
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,719
But it it doesn't pick up the
personality.

733
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,880
And I always say, if you don't
know Chris, you wouldn't know

734
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,840
that that wasn't him, right?
Right.

735
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,760
But now that you've talked to
him for just even 35 minutes,

736
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,679
when you hear that, you can hear
the difference too, right?

737
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:44,760
Yeah, so and so first of all,
Hagen, like I know the guys who

738
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,040
make Hagen like one of the one
of the guys who leads the

739
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,880
technology Hagen, he, I, I built
the company with him about four

740
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,120
or five years.
He built the.

741
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:55,159
Company, he brought me into a
project he was working on Super

742
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:56,199
cool guy you know what I'm
saying?

743
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,240
Super dope technology.
They're they're based in like

744
00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:01,960
Hagen is power.
So I've been aware of Hagen for

745
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,440
some time.
They're being made by some

746
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,600
really, really amazing
technology guys.

747
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,480
So it's a dope platform and
there's going to be a time where

748
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,760
what you're talking about
becomes more possible as more

749
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,000
data is fed into these types of
systems.

750
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,360
So AGN is still fairly new.
It's still, it's powerful right

751
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,560
now, but it's still fairly new.
So as time continues to evolve,

752
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,760
there's going to be more.
And to get the exact type of

753
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,840
emotion you're talking about,
you got to remember that you're

754
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,400
all we're talking about is think
about animation.

755
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:38,360
Think about Mickey Mouse or The
Lion King or any of this stuff.

756
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,600
Now you realize that the level
of animation that they made in

757
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:46,680
those worlds, they got the
ability to for Pixar and Woody

758
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,840
and Buzz Lightyear, they got
these animated characters to

759
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,880
simulate emotion type things
from an animation perspective.

760
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:59,160
What platforms like Hey Gene and
ChatGPT can do things similar to

761
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,280
this, these lip syncing type of
experience that you're talking

762
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,360
about?
What's going to happen is it's

763
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,320
going to be more data that's
going to be fed into these

764
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,680
systems and then there's going
to be more natural human

765
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,440
cadence.
That was going to be my next

766
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,160
question.
Are we missing the data to be

767
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,400
able to make that happen or are
we missing?

768
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:15,960
More data.
These systems are still fairly

769
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,200
new.
Give them a few more years.

770
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,640
You're going to give way more of
that stuff.

771
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,200
It's still going to be, you're
going to have to control it more

772
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,920
to get that natural feel that
you want, but it's naturally

773
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,440
those things are going to start
coming as as time continues

774
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,600
tomorrow with this tape.
So it's kind of like how ChatGPT

775
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,480
now has had it's been it's it's
been prevalent for a while now.

776
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,320
And because I've used it for at
least a couple years now, it

777
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,880
like I can ask Dave right now,
Hey, you know, write a, you

778
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,280
know, A5 page summary of who I
am.

779
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,000
And it would just because he
knows everything.

780
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,600
There's an all about me for the
most part, right.

781
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,360
So it's, it's the same concept
and right, the more you feed

782
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,560
chat, the more he learns, the
more he learns about me, my

783
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,000
tendencies, what I what I want
to write about how, how I

784
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,680
doesn't really know how I speak
because I'm not, you know, I

785
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,240
mean, I speak to him, but you
know, I'm saying so it's that.

786
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:05,960
So the more I pump in the Dave,
the more accurate it's going to

787
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,240
be.
So it's the same concept with

788
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:08,520
the Hadrian and platforms like
that.

789
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,880
Then if I'm grabbing what you
said the more exactly OK.

790
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,280
And you're talking about from,
you're using it from from an end

791
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,080
user perspective.
Now we're talking about from a

792
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,200
platform perspective.
So there's a certain amount of

793
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,720
data that has to be fed to this
whole entire platform to get

794
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:24,400
more of that element that you
all are talking about.

795
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,360
But understand that that that is
going to get fed to this thing

796
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,600
much faster than you will
probably anticipate because of

797
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,560
how many people are using these
platforms like they're used

798
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,360
quite frequently and a lot and
high value once people start

799
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,880
seeing the the real value.
OK, so here's a relatively deep

800
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,000
question and I'm sure you know
the answer to it, but is there a

801
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,040
centralized location that all
this information goes to and

802
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,840
then it gets distributed into
his individual file as well?

803
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,720
Or does Chris have his own
ChatGPT?

804
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,640
I think I think what you're
asking.

805
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,800
No, no, I, I I was I'm thinking
what what he's saying he tracked

806
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,560
me if I'm wrong, but everything
I I put in the chat ChatGPT,

807
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,600
it's public, right?
So then then it's not it's not

808
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,720
it's not my own.
It's not locked in my vault.

809
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,400
So.
That program is learning with

810
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,240
everyone, yes.
That's right.

811
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,160
Exactly.
Yeah, That's why chat is what it

812
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,720
is.
And a lot of these AI platforms,

813
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:23,480
they are like group learning.
There are things you can do to

814
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,640
pay to get your stuff more
secure and private on ChatGPT,

815
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:31,480
but it's more of a, it's
building a network of data

816
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,400
endpoints that allow it to be
more effective.

817
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:34,880
It's just answering questions
all around.

818
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,000
So it's, it's definitely like
the feeder network and it's just

819
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,720
going to keep getting smarter.
But there are like, they do have

820
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:44,480
dedicated buckets for just
Christmas stuff and like this,

821
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:45,680
it's kind of just how the cloud
works.

822
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,080
It's like you got a dedicated
bucket for what all your social

823
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,960
media stuff in Facebook's big
cloud bucket of Instagram or

824
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,320
Meta based stuff, you know what
I'm saying?

825
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,160
So it's one of those kind of
things that give you a bucket.

826
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,000
But a lot of the data that is
processed from their bucket is

827
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,160
kind of aggregated in a way that
allows everybody to kind of

828
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,360
benefit from the fact that Chris
was searching for how to

829
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,600
strategize on real estate in
said area.

830
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,120
Now other people that may want
to look for similar things have

831
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,320
some a pipeline to be able to
understand it a little bit more

832
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,840
effectively and quicker or
something like that.

833
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,440
That was a great answer to my
horribly asked question.

834
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,080
I'm glad you were able to
decipher what my question was

835
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,360
out of that.
But yeah, that was a great

836
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:27,840
answer for sure.
You know why?

837
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,800
Because because Dennis is
actually AI.

838
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,680
He's not real.
This is just this is him.

839
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,480
He's sitting in the backroom and
he's I'm a mess with

840
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,200
motherfuckers.
I'm not real.

841
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,000
So you remember that we.
We've never actually had a guest

842
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,120
on this podcast.
They're all.

843
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,280
Yeah, we haven't.
You remember that movie, Simone?

844
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,800
I may be dating myself again.
It was an Al Pacino flick and it

845
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,120
was called Simone and it was
basically Simone.

846
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,880
Do you ever, did you ever see
that movie, Dennis?

847
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,800
OK.
So Google SIM one and it's

848
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,640
Simone.
And what did the preface of it

849
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,440
and this, it's got to be 1520
years old, but the preface of it

850
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,320
was this, this, this Hollywood
producer, exec director was

851
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,880
tired of all the bullshit that
actors pull, right?

852
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:15,480
So somebody that was dying
created this simulated woman and

853
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,120
they basically the entire movies
wrapped around this fake woman.

854
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,440
And they get her to do all these
different things.

855
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,480
He tries to destroy her and push
her away.

856
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,480
And then just people embrace her
even more.

857
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,840
It's like a it's like a
simulated Charlie Sheen, but the

858
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,000
female version, right?
The train wreck.

859
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,920
You know, she's walking at one
point in time.

860
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,120
She's hands and he's going
through a pig, a pig, a pig

861
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,360
field and just slopping and just
just the nasty thing because he

862
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,120
was trying to disrupt it and
kind of, you know, make

863
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,560
everybody think she's not real.
But it's a trip because once all

864
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,520
this became so much more aware
in the world that AI is really

865
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,160
coming and it's dominating.
I'm not oh, SIM one that that

866
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,520
Simone the movie with Pacino.
It was brilliant because it was

867
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,400
all about somebody who's not
there, but the entire public

868
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,320
thought she was legit and it was
all done.

869
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:06,920
Obviously back then it was all
done with CGI, which obviously

870
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,160
is another version of AI, right?
Just a different type of

871
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,640
platform.
But it's legit.

872
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,680
So you, I mean, if you like
Pacino and you're in that kind

873
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,880
of movies, like actual movies
that you have to act, you should

874
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,080
check it out.
It's pretty legit.

875
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,640
Simone.
Simone.

876
00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:23,160
Yeah, Simone.
So what's what's on the horizon

877
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,480
for Dennis?
What do you got going on in the

878
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,840
future besides taking over the
world with AI technology?

879
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,400
Man, yes, I'm not as focused on
taking over the world with AI,

880
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,080
but it is, it's a tool that I'm
going to definitely use.

881
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,760
So right now, man, I got a
couple of days that I'm quite

882
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,680
focused on.
So of course, I told you all, I

883
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,880
run a consulting firm.
It's kind of like something

884
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,160
that's just a natural part of
the way that I move and operate.

885
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,440
But in front of me, being a
consultant and a coach, I'm very

886
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,800
much so an executive and
innovator in the immersive tech

887
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,600
and media space.
So right now I'm running a

888
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,120
company, it's called One Another
World.

889
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,040
We're focused on making VR
technology XR technology more

890
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,840
accessible, more relevant, more
impacted.

891
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,920
So we, we created this service
platform called reset XR.

892
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,160
It ultimately distributes
Wellness based immersive

893
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,360
technology platforms to
locations all around.

894
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,360
But we're, we're doing an
activation tomorrow at a, an

895
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,200
organization called BHR.
They some behavioral health,

896
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,440
not-for-profit that folks.
So kind of just a lot of

897
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,240
different things in community
when it comes to just the

898
00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:23,480
Wellness of people's mental
state and stuff like that.

899
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:29,000
So I'm building this reset XR
platform right now to make and

900
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,280
it's called reset XR for a real
reason because I mean VR and XR

901
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,440
technology being around for a
while but I feel like.

902
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,960
You just hit a another question.
I got VR.

903
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:43,280
What you got?
It's long forgotten, right?

904
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,320
It was supposed to be the
greatest thing about 2016.

905
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:53,760
What has happened to the
progress in VR and just that

906
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,040
whole general space?
It seemed like it was taken over

907
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,520
about 8 years ago and then it
just, I don't hear a lot about

908
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,520
it anymore.
So talk to me about that since

909
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:02,640
you're in that space.
I'm glad you asked that.

910
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,000
Question, I'm glad you asked the
question.

911
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,160
So this is an amazing question.
It's the point that a lot of

912
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,320
people that are generally in the
market are feeling about this

913
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,080
technology already.
That's why I named our core

914
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,000
service reset XR, because
honestly, the whole industry has

915
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,400
been positioned me as properly
in my in my for my lenses,

916
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,760
someone who's just built a lot
of really effective tech.

917
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,600
So they built this technology
and they positioned it as more

918
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,560
of a entertainment based thing
to the market.

919
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,600
So most people's introduction to
the technology is naturally

920
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,160
aligned with like either some
form of gaming or maybe some.

921
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,640
Yeah.
Yeah, things of that nature.

922
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,560
So people see it as more of a
from a general perspective,

923
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,960
people see it as this like
headset gaming experience, which

924
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,080
that's not a way for you to make
a new form of hardware

925
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,800
technology, something that
people really adopt.

926
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,720
And, and that's really the
biggest, one of the biggest

927
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,520
problems.
So I've come into this inch over

928
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,240
the past few years understanding
and learning that, but then

929
00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:58,280
knowing that this technology is
too powerful for people to look

930
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,280
at it from that lens.
Like there's a million other

931
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,200
applications that come from this
technology that are just, they

932
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,960
happen all over, but they're
just very much so siloed and

933
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,720
this to adjust the people that
are looking for certain

934
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:09,840
solutions.
So there's training day that you

935
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,040
can simulate workforce training
and development.

936
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,800
There's one of the verticals
that I'm focused on Wellness,

937
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,320
which there's things that can be
done with immersive technology

938
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,920
to take meditative and mental
Wellness to places that a

939
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,080
therapist alone just can't do
for people because you might not

940
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,960
be capable of distributing at
the level that everybody needs.

941
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,000
So there's a lot of other
applications that need to be

942
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,280
explored with this technology.
And that's one of the main

943
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,000
reason why I created on another
world because that problem that

944
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,160
you just said, like this
technology came in, looks like

945
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,120
it went, it never went anywhere.
Meta, Apple, all these other

946
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,640
large scale tech companies are
investing large amounts of money

947
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,160
and making this hardware,
continuing to create

948
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,520
infrastructure for people to
make software in these spaces.

949
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,960
But there's a disconnect between
the software and the company

950
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,280
that are building the software
and the rest of the general

951
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,840
market that doesn't see the real
value in what this technology

952
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,280
can be.
Because it's not like I don't

953
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,400
see it as something that's meant
to supplant reality.

954
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,160
I see it as something that's
meant to help extend reality,

955
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,480
help give people alternate
versions of how to do reality

956
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,920
and then use that as a tool to
help make the real reality

957
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,240
better.
So man, I.

958
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:16,800
Never thought it was.
Cool, I didn't.

959
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,840
I yeah, you're right.
It was totally geared toward

960
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,840
gaming because that's what got
me into it was a friend of mine

961
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,400
had the Oculus and I played it
and I'm like, wow, this is

962
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,680
awesome, but I don't want to get
wrapped up in another gaming

963
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,800
system that is going to suck.
You know, I just don't play

964
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,720
games anymore, man.
I don't have time for that.

965
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,280
I love games as much as anybody,
but they're a time suck, right?

966
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,080
So I just don't want to be in
that environment.

967
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:44,400
But like you just said, which is
brilliant.

968
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:47,840
I could see the other
applications for VR, like I'm a

969
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,320
musician, right?
So to have somebody sitting

970
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:55,600
there either jamming with me or
teaching me, or you know what

971
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,560
I'm saying, I saw the
educational and the user aspect

972
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,200
from a functional standpoint,
right?

973
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,920
As a musician, this would be
great if Chris and I could be in

974
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,080
the same room 2000 miles apart
in real time.

975
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,600
VR VR could do that.
I've never put.

976
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,040
On VR goggles, I've never done
anything like that whatsoever.

977
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,080
So with you saying that, that
that kind of just like that

978
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,520
would blow my mind.
Like legit you, is my concept

979
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,160
legit?
Could you make that happen?

980
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:23,320
Could you make that happen,
Dennis?

981
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,520
So there.
Are vertical like stuff like

982
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:26,200
that.
Does happen.

983
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,560
So like there are vertical where
yeah, like Facebook has invested

984
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,520
millions of dollars into this
thing that they call the

985
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,560
metaverse.
It's called the metaverse.

986
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,960
They made the Metaquest headset
and then they made a digital

987
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,680
world where people that have
Metaquest headsets going to the

988
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:42,920
digital world and build their
own digital environment.

989
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,400
Now, the way that they've done
it is very much so Facebookie.

990
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,320
So it's so wide and broad that
you can come on there and do

991
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,520
anything.
There is no limit to what you

992
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,360
can do in the metaverse.
You can then create any type of

993
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,240
world for any types of people,
for any type of group, and

994
00:46:57,240 --> 00:47:00,320
people that are also have
profiles in Metaquest and in the

995
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,640
metaverse that can come see.
I've heard of it, but I never

996
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,600
knew what it was.
So I I don't, I'm not someone

997
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:06,840
that.
Frequents these types of

998
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,000
environments, but this is
something that's very, very.

999
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,200
You just explained to me what it
was, though I've heard the.

1000
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,240
Word.
But I just didn't know what that

1001
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:17,920
pole concept basically like AVR.
Facebook, if you could imagine

1002
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,480
when I say that, think of it as
literally as you could have your

1003
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,880
own page and profile and you can
create a world around your page

1004
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,400
and profile that people can come
to and you can go to other

1005
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,920
people's pages and profiles.
You can have domains that are

1006
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,000
groups and all these other
things, and it gives you the

1007
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,160
ability to take it from being
this flat page as a group on

1008
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,760
Facebook to now you have a
virtual environment that

1009
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,200
encapsulates this group that can
do almost anything that this

1010
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,080
group can imagine.
That's crazy dude, but it's all.

1011
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,400
Virtual though, so you know what
I'm saying.

1012
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,000
It's.
Very much so a virtual

1013
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,880
experience to kind of replicate.
It's, it's a virtual reality.

1014
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,680
That's why they call it virtual
reality, you know what I'm

1015
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,840
saying?
But it's that that vertically is

1016
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,640
very much so alive and moving.
I see even more practical

1017
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,720
applications than that.
But those types of applications

1018
00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:05,720
are things that like have drawn
a lot of people into the

1019
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:10,320
technology, but not enough to
make a seismic quake of the

1020
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:11,520
whole world.
Understand.

1021
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,480
Like there's still this like,
even though there's a lot of

1022
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,920
people that are interested in
this tech, it's still small in

1023
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,520
comparison to how many people
are using more traditional

1024
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,720
formats and technology like
mobile devices and tablets.

1025
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:26,040
And and I guess that was the
point of my question.

1026
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,800
Was when I first saw the Oculus,
I was like, holy fuck, man, this

1027
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,760
is going to take over the world,
not just as gaming, but just the

1028
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,840
concept of being that virtual
world that you just described to

1029
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:42,080
the audience, right?
Here's a place you can go

1030
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,280
interact, be productive.
I didn't see that in the gaming

1031
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,600
side, but the actual graphics
and the world and being like on

1032
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,440
that Oculus, you could interact.
There was a like, learn how to

1033
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,000
use it room.
I'm sure you've seen it.

1034
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,320
You know where you can interact
with the guy playing the piano

1035
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,720
or whatever and there's a fire
crackling in the background.

1036
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:04,280
You totally feel like you're
there.

1037
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,800
OK, so I have a question.
I'm trying.

1038
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,160
To wrap my head around this, my
head's going to explode.

1039
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,840
So like put it in this in this
kind of perspective.

1040
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,760
So I watch football on TVI won't
go to a game because it sucks,

1041
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,160
right?
You can't see all the highlights

1042
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:20,640
and shit.
You can't you can't see

1043
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,280
everything when you're when
you're at an NFL game, but you

1044
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,120
can see everything when you're
at home for the most part,

1045
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,720
right?
So is is this technology

1046
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:33,320
something that that you could
virtually buy a ticket to stand

1047
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,560
on the sideline and watch the
game?

1048
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:40,680
So you're there, but you're not
there because it's a hologram of

1049
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,080
yourself, but you're actually at
a real event as a kind of like

1050
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,880
Star Trek shit, like beam me up,
Scotty.

1051
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,560
You know, you're just there
watching the game and like you

1052
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,920
could, I could reach out and
touch Cam scataboo on the

1053
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:52,600
shoulder and he could turn look
at me like, what the fuck you

1054
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,160
doing on my sideline, man?
Like my bad.

1055
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,640
I mean, is it, is it, is it
going there to where you can

1056
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,640
kind of, you know, virtually
transport yourself to a, a, a

1057
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:06,520
space and time and, and kind of
like be engaged in that, like a

1058
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,760
concert or event or like, you
know, a prime example, COVID,

1059
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:11,920
right?
COVID shut everything down.

1060
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,360
So the stadiums were empty.
But if, if there were technology

1061
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,760
was there, then you can have
your virtual seats and you're

1062
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,800
all at the stadium watching the
game, even though you're not

1063
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,680
there.
Is that, am I just whack A mole

1064
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,040
or is that something on the
horizon?

1065
00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:27,080
I don't know.
Yeah, let me give you.

1066
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,520
Yeah, I can do some context,
man.

1067
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,880
So you got to think we're
humans.

1068
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,760
We only have so many senses.
So virtual reality does some

1069
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,920
things to play off a few of your
senses at a level that you it,

1070
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,440
it can blur the lines between
some of your other senses.

1071
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:48,840
But physical touch in virtual
reality is not as it's not, it's

1072
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,040
possible.
There's this thing called

1073
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:54,360
haptics that simulate physical
interaction, but haptics is not.

1074
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,200
It's just an extension to visual
virtual reality.

1075
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,840
So now you can have haptics that
couple with, but it's not going

1076
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,520
to be as simple as you
interacting with someone in a

1077
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,000
physical location while you feel
like it.

1078
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:11,160
That stuff is that's very far,
you know what I'm saying?

1079
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,040
Like next level?
I know that's like next level

1080
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,440
stuff.
Yeah, that's next level is very

1081
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,640
it would require.
Something totally different for

1082
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,640
that to happen for more people.
So the physical part, I wouldn't

1083
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,520
even say that that stuff is like
something that you would think

1084
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,360
about exploring.
But from a visual perspective,

1085
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,000
yeah, there's major partnerships
with stadiums and Major League

1086
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:33,120
sports that have made these
simulated sitting courtside or

1087
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:37,360
sitting on the right on the over
the first baseline or simulating

1088
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,280
the sitting right.
Like they've done these types of

1089
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,520
things, basketball, baseball,
soccer, and you can kind of get

1090
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,760
almost any angle that you could
imagine from different software

1091
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,760
from in the VR experience.
So they have stuff like that

1092
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,680
where you can literally be in
those places.

1093
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:57,360
So his visual concept.
Is doable visual and audio, so

1094
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,080
like the.
Visual and.

1095
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:00,920
Audio they.
Have spatial audio where it's

1096
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,040
kind of like you get the feel of
sounds coming from different

1097
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:05,080
directions and things of that
nature.

1098
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,640
So those things are very much so
already here and, and available

1099
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,240
in certain formats for sure.
Yeah, the haptic, the haptics

1100
00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:12,040
thing.
There's a, there's a.

1101
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,920
Commercial years ago for for Cox
Communications, which is the

1102
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,200
major cable provider here in the
West Western.

1103
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,240
I don't know if it is where
you're at, but where where they

1104
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:21,800
could where they could hug
people, right?

1105
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,200
Like you could share a hug.
So you have a grandparent.

1106
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,480
I remember that game.
Yeah, a grandparent.

1107
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,760
Wearing this thing and then.
And on the other end of this,

1108
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,840
the tablet was the daughter was
wearing the thing, and they

1109
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:33,960
could virtually hug each other
and actually feel it.

1110
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,320
That's haptics.
That's OK.

1111
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:37,160
Cool.
Yeah.

1112
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,640
So that's that's another form of
immersive technology.

1113
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:47,080
So like anything that can play
on your visual, your audio, your

1114
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,360
the sense of feeling, even the
sensory stuff, you know, sifts

1115
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,000
and smell, these are all
immersive technologies that can

1116
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,920
be mixed together, do a number
of different things.

1117
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,640
But yeah, that's a, that's
definitely a use case that

1118
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:58,880
people played around with for
sure.

1119
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:00,560
That's cool.
That's cool.

1120
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,320
So like.
When I did the Van Gogh

1121
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,440
immersive thing, that's the kind
of stuff where you go through

1122
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,960
this warehouse, it's just
nothing.

1123
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,720
But then you're walking through
Van Gogh's artwork and shit and

1124
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:12,480
you can kind of reach out and
touch it, even though it's not

1125
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,400
really there and you're not
really touching it, but it's

1126
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,440
it's still kind of there because
you're immersed in it, right?

1127
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,680
I just, I just put that together
right now, Dennis, and I'm not

1128
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,360
an idiot, man.
He sucks.

1129
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:29,680
You're good.
Mind blown.

1130
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,000
We have to have you come on like
once a year just to give us

1131
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,240
updates of AI and where it's
gone and where it's 100% because

1132
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,600
this is just fascinating.
Man.

1133
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,200
Fascinating.
And so, yeah.

1134
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:41,640
So that like I was saying, I
think we.

1135
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,240
Yeah.
We dive into that, but I'm big

1136
00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:45,600
on immersive technology, so I'm
I'm focused on becoming a

1137
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,040
thought leader in the immersive
tech space.

1138
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,600
So I'm really focused on this
Wellness experience that we're

1139
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,080
creating.
We have our first activation

1140
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,520
tomorrow in Saint Louis.
It'll be at this really nice

1141
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,920
hotel and Art Museum called 21
C.

1142
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,680
So it'll be an experience that
we have just specifically for

1143
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,840
the group of people that are
kind of visiting this Wellness

1144
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,040
journey at that with that
organization BHR.

1145
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,640
I'm also planning like we have
two other activation that'll be

1146
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:10,880
having over the next couple of
months.

1147
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,600
So all of this stuff is on
another world focused on really

1148
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,880
focused on that bringing what
we're doing and what we see is

1149
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,280
one of the verticals that can
really make this technology just

1150
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,040
more relevant to people.
Like it's you bought the Oculus

1151
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,000
and you feel like the technology
just sitting there collecting

1152
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,480
dust because you didn't it
wasn't presented to you in a way

1153
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,360
where you can really see long
term relevancy.

1154
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,560
It wasn't.
Playing a game on the icons

1155
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,400
isn't that much better than
playing a game on ATV if you

1156
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,880
don't want to play a game at
all.

1157
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,640
It's like what?
What else do I see a value in

1158
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,160
this technology?
And that's really what we're

1159
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,600
focused on.
So willingness is our first

1160
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,440
vertical education and
development will be our second

1161
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,080
verticals.
And then we'll dive into

1162
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,520
entertainment leisure after we
kind of dive to those first

1163
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,560
verticals.
So whatever happened to the

1164
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,360
Google Glasses?
That was another one that was

1165
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:58,640
supposed to be like, it's going
to replace your whatever

1166
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:01,440
computer, television.
I mean, you know the thing about

1167
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,640
all of that kind of stuff.
It's just timing with stuff like

1168
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,440
that.
So now, have you ever heard of

1169
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,360
the Ray Man Meadows?
And yeah, my one of my one of my

1170
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,480
guy.
Yeah, a guy I work with has him

1171
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,080
and he put him on and walked
through a house.

1172
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,280
It's pretty legit because he's
just, he's just having a

1173
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:16,920
conversation walking through a
house.

1174
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,480
Yeah, so they literally come
with like, cameras.

1175
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,000
Built in them so you can have
there's cameras in them and then

1176
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,560
there's also really can't see
it, but there's like a a speaker

1177
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,080
built in here.
So you can literally it's a

1178
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,800
speaker and a microphone.
So you can literally talk to the

1179
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,960
AI.
You can get it, it can, it can

1180
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,480
see what you're looking at.
And like if you're in a

1181
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,440
different country and you want
to read a billboard, say, hey,

1182
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:41,200
what is that billboard say and
no and do stuff like that for

1183
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,800
you like that.
Like, yeah, but these things are

1184
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,560
becoming more advanced.
So they have a lot of other

1185
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,440
stuff to that they're doing.
But this type of technology,

1186
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,920
there's Ray Ban Meta, the
glasses that give you mixed

1187
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:54,680
reality, augmented reality
glasses.

1188
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,840
This stuff is like a more in
between use case, between

1189
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,080
virtual reality, they call it
mixed reality, augmented

1190
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,320
reality.
So the glasses are are very much

1191
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,440
so still a thing.
I don't know if Google's going

1192
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,800
to venture back into their
space, but there's definitely

1193
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,600
like going to be a lot of stuff
that's happening there.

1194
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,960
Meta is like becoming so they
were too early with their

1195
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:14,440
Google.
Google glasses.

1196
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,920
They definitely were too early.
Like it took that it was still.

1197
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,680
Other things that need to be
developed to make this

1198
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,280
technology like AI had to like
this tech has been around for.

1199
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,720
They've been doing this meta.
You can tell how far I fell

1200
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:27,280
behind Dennis.
Because I'm talking to you about

1201
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,680
things that you understand and
you're telling me where it's

1202
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,760
gone.
I didn't get back into

1203
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,840
technology until we started this
podcast.

1204
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,280
I was literally just smart TV
guy and had no need for a

1205
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,840
computer, right?
So I had to kind of dive back

1206
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,240
into this.
I didn't know Ray Ban came out

1207
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:43,280
with that.
Chris knew that.

1208
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,480
It's pretty late.
It's pretty legitimate and hooks

1209
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,960
up to.
His phone and I think with his I

1210
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,160
don't know if it's it's standard
with all there's like a 3 minute

1211
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:55,240
recording window that you can do
small recording window on the.

1212
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,360
Other Ray Bans.
So yeah, this is a collaboration

1213
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,840
between Ray Ban and Meadow, so
if you sick, that's awesome.

1214
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,160
Huge. 200 bucks come together.
Yeah, 200 bucks.

1215
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:05,640
Not bad.
That's why I like your idea of

1216
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,720
having this guy on.
Every so often because it'll

1217
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:11,880
help me keep up with technology,
because you just told me things

1218
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:16,360
that I I had pretty much given
up on virtual reality.

1219
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,280
I didn't know that anybody was
still pursuing it stupidly.

1220
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,640
You know, you should know.
It's the whole world around this

1221
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,880
stuff, and there's a lot of.
There's hundreds of millions of

1222
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,400
dollars being dumped into this
industry.

1223
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,320
It's just it's not as connected
to the to the market as people

1224
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,640
would imagine.
The last thing I'll tell you all

1225
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,000
I'm doing too, so I have AAI
talk series that I'm actually

1226
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,960
dropping.
Well, it's going to be, I'm not

1227
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,320
going to call the podcast.
It's going to be 15 to 20 minute

1228
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,640
conversations that I'll have
with people on Instagram Live.

1229
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:45,280
So I got about almost 15 people
booked, but I'm trying to do

1230
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,400
around 25 to 30.
Excuse me, sorry about that.

1231
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,880
Conversations before the middle
of October.

1232
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,560
So I have a couple of AI
creative projects that I've been

1233
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,280
working on.
What's helped me being a tech

1234
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,480
executive and a consultant and a
coach.

1235
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:00,920
I'm also an artist and a
creative.

1236
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,760
So I make music.
I have a, a format that I'm

1237
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:06,920
doing with the music that I
create that's meant to my

1238
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,200
moniker is still Mr. Business
tech in the music, but it's

1239
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,720
meant to bring more people into
the tech the same way we just

1240
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,600
had a conversation and like the
like these types of

1241
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,480
conversations.
I have them all the time between

1242
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,840
all different types of people,
all different ages, all

1243
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,840
different doesn't matter.
Like, yeah, you can go somebody

1244
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,080
like myself in the room with
somebody who may be interested

1245
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:29,760
in technology or maybe fearful
of it or maybe wanting to

1246
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,400
understand more.
But really they let they just

1247
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,200
haven't talked to the right
person to help them kind of

1248
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,440
connect the dot.
I'm like one of those kind of

1249
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,920
guys, but I'm also using this
talk series that I'm creating,

1250
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,160
which is called the Huawei AI
talk series.

1251
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:46,600
I'm using it to be a format for
me to kind of remove the fear in

1252
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,480
AI and really just enlighten
people in a way to allow them to

1253
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,800
see it as a tool that they can
use to do almost anything.

1254
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:53,920
And we'll highlight greater
projects in that space.

1255
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,480
Yeah, the fear is real too.
Because how I learned.

1256
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,400
About Hey, Jen and this thing
called auto realism and and, and

1257
00:58:59,960 --> 00:59:03,320
Inman, which is the real estate
kind of Backbone Ash Association

1258
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:04,640
Realtors.
Every year they have an Inman

1259
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,280
conference, which, you know,
you've probably heard of that,

1260
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,320
Dennis, people just flock to
this thing.

1261
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,160
Technology da da da da.
Well, they had the original

1262
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,520
founders of Google on the year
before Google was launching and,

1263
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,360
and, and so they asked the crowd
then like, hey, you know, you

1264
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,640
imagine being able to just type
something and it pops up

1265
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,440
instantly.
And half the crowd was excited,

1266
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:27,000
half the crowd was scared.
So with with.

1267
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,120
Hagen.
And AI, they did the same thing.

1268
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,400
The guy that and then behind it
all, he introduced an AI speaker

1269
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,560
and then she came on the thing
and she's like, OK, first and

1270
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,840
foremost, you know, how many of
you are excited about AI and

1271
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,000
only half the crowd raised their
hand and how many of you are

1272
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:42,600
afraid of the other half the
crowd raised the hand.

1273
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:47,840
This lady by far is nowhere near
your level of intelligence will

1274
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,120
come to this because she's only
been doing it for one or two

1275
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,480
years and she's getting paid to
speak all around the world four

1276
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:56,520
to five times a week.
And so she, that's what drew me

1277
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,920
to the Hajin because she, she
pulled up Hajin and these are

1278
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:03,920
the things that I had had she
used a different chat platform.

1279
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,440
The chat CPT I forgot was called
but she told them to do this.

1280
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,440
And connect with hey, Jen.
And then when she pulled it up

1281
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,640
from the time she left that city
to this to California to do the,

1282
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:16,240
the conference, she pulled it up
on the screen and like 164

1283
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:17,800
things were written and and
prepared.

1284
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,160
And then she just goes back to
her hotel room.

1285
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,760
She goes through them all and
sets them all up to to be

1286
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,960
dispersed, you know, in all her
platforms.

1287
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,880
If she's getting paid bank for
that dude, you should lead the

1288
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:33,040
way because 15 years you're way
ahead of the curve with

1289
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:37,000
everybody because again, that
chick 1-2 years and she's

1290
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,760
considered a a a professional or
not a professional.

1291
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,240
What is what's the word expert?
An expert on it, but.

1292
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,640
You got 15.
Years you're building startup

1293
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,160
companies and all kinds of tech
wrapped around anything and

1294
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,480
everything you've talked about
today like dude, you're just

1295
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,560
your life resume is fantastic,
Dennis and you're only 35 years

1296
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,400
old you the fact that you
thought of this when you were 20

1297
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:02,280
and dove into it that's next
level man like next level even

1298
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,960
if you're not really here, it's
just an image of you and AI

1299
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,960
created man, it's still so real.
I'm definitely here.

1300
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,760
We feel your brother.
We feel it's just, it's cool,

1301
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:14,520
man, because it's.
Exciting to me and I'm just

1302
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,760
barely using it.
I'm barely using it.

1303
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,840
Me too.
It's after hearing this

1304
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:22,400
conversation I feel like.
We definitely are in the baby

1305
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,400
steps of AI, you and I for sure.
Yeah, we're not Dennis over

1306
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,400
here.
You know, I tried to scan your

1307
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,240
shirt over the over the
Riverside.

1308
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:31,960
It didn't work, man.
I was doing this to me.

1309
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:33,520
It might.
It might be a bad.

1310
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,120
I like to keep that in there,
but yeah, I mean, it's on

1311
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,600
another dot world.
So you know what's cool about

1312
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,960
what he just said though?
Yeah, I know.

1313
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,360
I love the fact.
You're humble.

1314
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:45,960
I try and.
Be a humble musician, right?

1315
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:47,960
I've been playing music since I
was nine years old.

1316
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:49,960
People tell me I'm good.
That's all I say.

1317
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:55,160
The reason that I'm glad we met
you is because I like to have

1318
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:59,120
what I call my people, right?
So if I need to have a question

1319
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,720
answered about AI from now on,
I'm going to contact Dennis.

1320
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,120
Right?
That you're a subject matter

1321
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:06,520
expert.
That was Chris's point.

1322
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And the way that you described

1323
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:12,320
and talked the whole time you
were on the show, man, you

1324
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:16,280
finally were able to get a dummy
like me to understand something

1325
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:20,440
that I'm not well versed at,
that I'm very new at.

1326
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,720
And the way that you describe
these things, it's painfully

1327
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,880
obvious that you know what
you're talking about because you

1328
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:29,560
can talk above our heads, but
you choose to bring it down to

1329
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,560
our level, right?
That's a sign of intelligence

1330
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,360
for sure.
I appreciate it, man.

1331
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:35,440
This.
Is disrespect man.

1332
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,760
I disrespect him, man.
I respect the life for him in

1333
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,040
front of me man.
I just, I understand and I've

1334
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,840
been blessed to learn a lot of
stuff and get exposed to a lot

1335
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,440
of stuff and well, you're great
at getting your message across

1336
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,840
too, man.
Because we're talking about very

1337
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:51,720
complex things and you were able
to put it like Chris said, I

1338
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:55,360
think you should be out there
speaking and being paid these

1339
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:57,920
exorbitant fees because you
definitely deserve it.

1340
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,440
And and what you just I am a
public speaker.

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01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,560
Too I I I feel like.
I need to boost up the amount of

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01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:04,920
work I'm doing in that space,
But I do.

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01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,320
I think you do, yeah.
You're very good.

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01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,120
And and what you said about your
your.

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01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:12,800
Your mindset about humans and
being human, that's what that's,

1346
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,280
I mean, you're home with us
because we're the same thing.

1347
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,480
It's not.
We don't interview people.

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01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,120
We have conversations,
interviews boring.

1349
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,480
You can't learn as much as just
having an organic conversation

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01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,320
like we had.
I'm glad I kind of broke my mold

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01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:26,560
and looked kind of, I couldn't
find your e-mail.

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01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,040
So I started diving deep down,
which is cool because then I was

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01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,840
excited.
We're gonna let you go.

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01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,960
How do, how do people find you
from a consulting aspect?

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01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,640
Is this something that like
anybody in the world can kind

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01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,880
of, hey, I want to do this.
So drop, drop how people find

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01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:42,880
you, and then we'll wrap up the
show for sure.

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01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:44,440
Yeah, so you all can reach me.
I'm.

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01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,600
I'm naturally on LinkedIn, you
can look me up Dennis Campbell.

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01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,360
I'm also have my consultant
company.

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01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,120
It's called DNY Enterprises.
So the letter D the letter N the

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01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,680
letter Y enterprises.com.
You can find different things we

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01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,320
provide, like I said, coaching
and consulting services as well

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01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,040
as we do public speaking.
I have a book that we're rolling

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01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:03,800
out later on this year called
Beyond Code.

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01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,960
So there's a number of different
things that we do from the DNY

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01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,720
Enterprises.
Then I'm an executive and the

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01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,880
and the founder of one another
world where if you're interested

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01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,200
in anything immersive
technology, Wellness related,

1370
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:17,720
primarily right now, but
literally I'm a thought leader

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01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,160
in the immersive tech space.
So on another world is my like

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01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:23,240
immersive tech world where we
play in the Bay, create and

1373
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,560
really just look to serve and be
more effective with that stuff.

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01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:28,360
And then you can find me on
Instagram, Mr. Business Tech,

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01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,600
I'm on there.
I'm like I said, I'm a executive

1376
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:35,680
artist, consultant, the coach,
all these things simultaneously

1377
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:39,720
Arthur and, and I just kind of
find a way to to be the most

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01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:43,400
authentic version of myself on,
on Instagram and now building a

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01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:44,840
YouTube community and stuff like
that.

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01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:46,840
So really just trying to, you
know, saying make sure I'm

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01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:50,160
visible for for what I feel like
it's the work that I'm called to

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01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,520
do in the world around me.
So and I well, the next time you

1383
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:55,160
come on here.
You make sure that Chris books

1384
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:58,560
you on a Friday and we're going
to do an hour about AI and we're

1385
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:00,840
going to talk an hour about
music because I did not know you

1386
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,240
were a musician and now we got
to talk about music.

1387
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,520
So yeah, man, my albums come my
first.

1388
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:07,760
I'm a I'm a new.
Artist too man I just released

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01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:11,320
my first single in June, July,
June or something like that.

1390
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:13,200
Released a single is called Why
wait?

1391
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,280
I'm releasing, where can I find
album?

1392
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,760
It's on even that.
Bit so you can see you can hear

1393
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:20,880
a piece of it on YouTube.
Like I have some of it on

1394
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,480
YouTube, but I chose to, I did
throw differently.

1395
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,720
I'm I just, I'm choosing not to
like throw my music in the in

1396
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:30,080
the the pool and pond of all the
other traditional distribution

1397
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,720
platforms.
But you can go to YouTube and I

1398
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:36,480
do have parts of some of my
music there and then, uh, like I

1399
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:39,680
did throwing even dot Biz and
yeah, man, I'm brought the

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01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,000
singles out.
I'm rolling out my album next

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01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:43,840
year.
I mean next month, so it'll be

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01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:45,440
in like me.
It's late October.

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01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,360
I'm dropping my album.
It's called you can't Unsee this

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01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:50,520
shit.
Congratulations.

1405
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:55,000
So it's my first, my first
presentation.

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01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:57,320
I would love to come on and do
something more music related to.

1407
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,720
Yeah, absolutely music too, man.
Yeah, we do too.

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01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,560
Yeah, this is how they.
All started Hey, so this been

1409
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,320
the Christian Mike show.
This is Dennis Campbell he's

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01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,880
mind blown expanded the
knowledge today of AI universe

1411
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:11,560
definitely going to happen back
on.

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01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:12,840
We're going to talk more about
music.

1413
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:13,840
We're going to talk more about
AI.

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01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:16,080
We'll have you back on next time
just talk music.

1415
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,000
So and then we'll have another
show where we talk AI again.

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01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,280
So we wrap up show every show
like this.

1417
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,440
If you're if you're feeling bad,
depressed, you know, suicidal,

1418
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,280
you know, reach out to somebody,
go go run and go yell on a

1419
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:27,840
pillow.
Go journal, go work out, do

1420
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,160
something, reach out to somebody
that will talk to you, that will

1421
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,240
listen to you.
You don't want to leave at home

1422
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:33,920
in somebody else's heart.
They're going to miss you

1423
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:35,880
because they love you even
though you don't think they do.

1424
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,560
Tomorrow's always a better day
when you wake up in the world

1425
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:40,080
with us.
So remember that.

1426
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:41,760
I'm Chris, he's Mike, this is
Dennis.

1427
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,520
Find us on all the platforms and
we will drop all Dennis's

1428
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,440
information on the Facebook page
once the show drops.

1429
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,240
So you can you can see it came
out on his socials and and dial

1430
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:52,520
in and get connected with him.
If you want to learn more about

1431
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:55,560
his consulting business and his
Future Music business and all

1432
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:57,680
the things associated around
Dennis Campbell.

1433
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,280
Fantastic life resume, man.
Thank you very much for coming

1434
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,320
on the show.
Thanks again man, you've been

1435
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,040
fantastic.
Conversation, man.

1436
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,680
Fantastic.
Don't, don't, don't jump off yet

1437
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:08,640
because once we sign off, we got
to make sure everything's

1438
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,520
uploaded.
So until next time, everybody,

1439
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:12,000
peace.
Peace.

1440
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:36,600
This is the place where you will
go.

1441
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:44,440
Feel the trail behind your eyes.
Feel yourself and meet yourself.

1442
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,520
Take a moment, Listen till you
see him.

1443
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,440
Watch your battle.
That's you, you boss wheel.

1444
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,840
Watch your battle.
Hold you boss wheel.

1445
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:47,680
Who is this baby?
The.

1446
01:09:18,859 --> 01:09:21,420
Now you're done here.
Come down here.

1447
01:09:21,420 --> 01:09:28,220
You haven't found solely you see
you're saying he's from fighting

1448
01:09:29,100 --> 01:09:33,540
wait for the dead when he's
closure out of the.

1449
01:09:33,899 --> 01:09:38,380
Way you ain't.
No creature, we're playing.

1450
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:45,040
Put on the almighty day.
You got a dream.

1451
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:53,120
Who in your life to keep on
throwing every day?

1452
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:57,520
Take the trail behind your eyes.
Feel the soul evolution now.

1453
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:04,840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.

1454
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:44,640
You gotta.
You gotta.

1455
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:46,760
You gotta.
You gotta.