#138 - Robert Mckay - Author/Musician

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Here we go.
Got to wait for the music.

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Let us fill the air.
We're we're not hearing the

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music.
You're not.

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No, no.
Nor is the YouTube or Twitch

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followers.
So welcome YouTube and Twitch

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followers.
Wow, going.

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To you, just ready.
Weird wild stuff, man.

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And I just figured out how to
not have to put the music in

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later.
Right on, man.

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So now I'm going to have to.
Put him in later.

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You're welcome.
Oh, he always keeps me on my

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toes, right?
And whenever it works, you guys

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got the book.
Yeah.

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Hello.
Welcome to the Chris and Mike

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show.
I'm Chris.

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He's Mike.
That's Robert McKay.

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You asked me a question, Robert.
And I I didn't.

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I didn't answer the question.
What was that you asked me?

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Oh, I.
Said, Did you get a chance to

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check out the book?
We have not yet.

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Have not.
We don't.

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Here's how we roll, man.
We like to come into these

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things organically because we
don't.

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We want to learn about you as
you share with us and those that

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are watching and eventually
listening to the show so you can

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bring up whatever you want to
bring up as far as your book.

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Don't give all the all the
things away because you want

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people to go buy your book
because that's one of the

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reasons why you're on here.
You know, so that's kind of why

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we do it the way we do it.
It's not a typical thing.

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I'm sure you've watched this at
some point in time, but we're

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not normal.
Let's let's interview Robert.

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Hi, Robert.
How are you today?

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I'm good.
Chris, what do you do for the

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thing?
I am a meat acquisition curator.

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What's that mean?
I chop up cows so it's more fun

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just doing it this way.
Yes.

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Absolutely so.
So this is Robert McKay.

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Welcome to the show.
Let's, let's give our, give our,

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our audience in what, 23
countries now, Mike?

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23 Thank you for coming on,
Robert.

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It's a pleasure.
Yes.

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Yeah, definitely a pleasure,
man.

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So give us a little insight of
what you why you wanted to come

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on this fantastic show and what
we can share about you.

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Yeah, just to share my story,
pretty much.

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So I I've been playing guitar
since I was 14 and I'm I.

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Started when I was 9, so
congratulations.

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Thank you.
I I actually started in 8th

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grade, I want to say 8th grade
and no 7th grade.

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So I took lessons up until my
senior year and I had the same

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teacher the whole time.
Wow, so I, I was pretty quiet in

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school.
I I was the kid walking around

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with the headphones on, you know
not.

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Really.
Yeah.

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I was a musician to her man.
Yeah, so, but my brother, he was

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in school band, so I got into
music right when Guns and Roses

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came out, right when they used
to.

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And you guys probably remember
this when they used to show

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Knocking on Heaven's store on
MTV.

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Damn right man.
The right.

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That was from Live at the Ritz,
Yeah, in New York City, I

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believe.
Yeah.

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That was an awesome.
That's still, I think, their

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best concert.
It's so, yeah, I totally

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remember that video.
I'm sure Chris does.

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Too.
So that's what that's what got

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me into the tar plane and
everything just kind of fell

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into place because I was living
at my grandma's house at the

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time.
So my uncle used to live there,

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you know, too, until he got
married and he moved out.

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So when he moved out, he left
his acoustic behind.

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So right when I started to kind
of watch MTV and got into Slash

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and I, I saw him playing.
I saw.

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So I'm like, oh, that looks
really cool.

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How many people started playing
guitar because of Slash?

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Yeah.
So yeah, I wanted to, I wanted

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to do the same thing her.
Brother.

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So I kind of put two and two
together that, you know, where

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my where my brother got his
rental for a band.

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Hey, they did guitar lessons
too.

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And hey, you know, my uncle left
his acoustic behind at the

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house.
Gee, you know, maybe I should

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ask them if I could use their
full lessons.

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So I, I always tell this story
and pretty much sums it up.

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One day he came over, I said
Uncle Joe, and now I'm like 14

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at the time.
I'm middle school.

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Uncle Joe, can I use your
acoustic for guitar lessons?

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So, you know, being a cool
uncle, he says, yeah, sure.

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Not a problem.
So my mom was upstairs, so I

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literally ran up the stairs and
I startled the hell out of my

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mom.
She had a bath turn.

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I said mom.
So she's like, she turned around

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bad.
And she's like, what?

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All those sites use this car and
I take guitar lessons.

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She said yeah.
And she was kind of fluctuate

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because I startled her so bad
because I yelled mom and she

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didn't hear me come up.
So, so, you know, of course, you

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know, she said yeah and
whatever.

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So I had the same teacher for
four years.

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Me too.
And, you know, it was kind of

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cool because they kind of had a
bond, you know, because I had

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them for so long, you know.
And you know, we did the Alfred

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books to kind of because I
didn't know anything about music

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up to that point.
So I wasn't in band.

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I wasn't course, I really didn't
have that much of a background

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on it.
So, you know, so, so we started

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with the Alfred books and I used
my uncle's acoustic.

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And then a year later, maybe
less than a year, he said, you

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know, you should probably switch
the electric percentage to two

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more because, you know, there's
so many, so many songs I could

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show you on a hooster.
So my mom got me my first

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electric guitar for my birthday,
which I still have.

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I still use, I still play.
That's awesome, I wish I still

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had my first.
Guitar, yeah I I solely use it

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and I didn't change anything on
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The only thing I've seen trying
is the guitar strings.

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My first real guitar was BC Rich
Warlock.

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I love that thing.
Oh, wow.

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OK, sweet.
But so you know, yeah, I've,

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I've used it up up until now.
I solely use it today and so,

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and then once he left, I stopped
lessons and then, but I kept

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playing, you know, I, I kept
learning, I kept thinking on

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YouTube and stuff like that.
And then I restarted lessons in

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2019 and I still take now and
I've been with the same.

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Are you taking with the same
guy?

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Lessons.
What?

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Are you taking private lessons?
Then?

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Yeah, OK.
Yeah, so the private lessons I

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take now, I've been with the
same person since 2019.

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That's awesome.
Because I know, like, I know if

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I want, you know, to get to kind
of get to that next level, I, I

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know I needed to go back to
lessons because, you know, you

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can only learn.
You can learn stuff for you

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stuff off of YouTube and stuff
like that, but you can only

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learn.
Yeah, if you have any questions,

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you can't ask me to.
Right.

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You know, so I know I wanted
that hands on kind of

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interaction to learn to learn
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And the accountability, it's too
easy if you're doing it yourself

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to just say, you know, I'm going
to skip today or I'm going to

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skip.
It's no different than Chris

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working out.
It's if he decides to not go one

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week, it's pretty easy to not go
the next week, right, Right.

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So if you're not a self starter
and you know that it's easy for

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you to just put something down
and not pick it up again for a

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month, I totally recommend that
people take private lessons.

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That's why I gave less.
I still do to this day.

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If somebody really wants to
learn, I'll teach you to play.

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It's not something my I don't
want 100 students a month

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anymore.
But yeah, I totally understand

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the wanting the hands on because
a lot of times you, you want to

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see something two or three times
before you pick it up, you know?

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Yeah.
And you know, I and like, yeah,

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especially with stuff like
metallic and Guns and Roses and

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stuff like that, you know, to
really learn it the right way.

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I feel like if you, if you have
someone there to kind of show

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you it that knows it maybe
better than you, it helps.

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Absolutely, you know.
And you know, that's what kind

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of like why I like my guitar
teacher so much is that he

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reminds me of my first teacher
because my first teacher was the

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same life.
What?

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Once we switched to the hour
lesson, he did half, half

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lesson, half, whatever I wanted,
whatever song I wanted to learn.

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That's what I used to do when I
had a lot of time on my hands.

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Yeah, but the following, but the
following week, the first thing

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we did was go over the week
before.

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So I.
Like this guy, that's very much

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how I used to teach.
You know and and.

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Review, learn, fun.
That's what I used to say.

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We're going to review last week.
We're going to learn, then we're

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going to have fun.
Yeah, and I used to, and that's

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the first thing we went over.
So whatever theory, you know,

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whatever exercise he gave me, we
went back and played it.

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You know, whatever, whatever
song, we whatever part of the

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song we learned, I went back and
played it.

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Yeah.
And there there was times that

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he called me right-handed.
You did the song more than

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theory, didn't you?
You can't lie because you know

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you're playing it, so you know
he's going to hear it.

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For sure.
You know, so it's not like, Oh

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yeah, just give me another shot.
And you know, you know, pretty

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much could say, yeah, you know,
you acted strong one on the

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other.
But he never got mad about it.

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He just made sure he went over
to make sure I understood it

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pretty much.
That's good.

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Yeah.
So now and from, from what a

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little bit I did learn about
you, you you've, you had thyroid

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cancer.
Yeah, I had the I had pap.

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I don't know if I'm saying
sorry.

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Papytori.
Thyroid cancer.

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But how long?
How long did you have that?

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So I was diagnosed in 2011.
I want to start around this time

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around October, November because
I remember it was told the end

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of the year.
So I had a goiter right where

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your thyroid betters.
I didn't have any.

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Yeah, like right here.
So your thyroid bed is like

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pretty much like, yeah, like the
lungs.

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You have a left side, right
side, but I don't have any.

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I didn't have any side effects.
So basically I had a cough.

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I had a cough for like 2 weeks
and I couldn't get rid of it.

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So one night I went to the ER
and the doctor noticed it.

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He said you, you have a bump on
your neck.

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Did you get that checked out?
He said no, I didn't think

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anything over because it wasn't
hurting or wasn't affecting me

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or anything like that, you know.
So he said nice, she really got

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it checked out.
So I got it checked out and

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that's how I found out.
I went to a primary doctor and

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she referred me to my
endocrinologist and they did the

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fine needle biopsy and came back
in.

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So.
So and so, how long did you have

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to deal with that?
So right after I had, I had my

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thyroid taken out and obviously
the voider that there's

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recovery.
Recovery wasn't that bad.

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It's more like a stiff neck.
I was in a hospital overnight

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because I had the drain tube,
which wasn't fun.

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When they took it out, it's
like, oh, it's not going to hurt

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that much and Yang, but it's not
going to hurt that much, don't

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worry.
So I had that done and then

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afterwards I followed up with
radiation oncologist, which I

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had to get, and I had to get
chemo, but I had to get

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radiation, radiation iodine,
which basically water, polar

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radiation.
So you take it and you know, you

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don't feel any effects from it,
But you guys stay isolated for

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48 hours usually Friday, yeah,
Friday to Sunday, It's Friday to

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Monday.
And then they check your levels

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to make you know, make sure your
radiation went down.

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So.
So isolation is because they

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don't want you walking around
and radiating other people.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You don't want to blow up and

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you know.
It sounds like a villain for a

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superhero movie, man.
Glow in the dark?

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Pretty much, yeah.
Yeah, that's crazy, man.

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Walking down the street and
people are just dropping just

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like, oh radiation man.
I didn't even know that was a

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thing where you had enough
radiation in you to make you be

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isolated.
That's the first time I've ever

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heard that that's.
Yeah, when you go.

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Like, because my son was young
at the time, like I was in a

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hospital for two days because I
didn't really have anywhere

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isolate at home.
So they did as a safety, you

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know, as a safety promotion
because you're really not, you

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know, because you're really not
supposed to be around people

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once after you first taste it.
Did you put yourself under a

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black light?
Yeah, yeah.

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I didn't feel any affection with
though.

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How long did you have to do
that?

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I I took on a Friday, first
night there.

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I took on a Friday and outside.
I think it means more of the

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length of time, not just
actually you did it for 40

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hours, you did this treatment,
you had the isolate for 48

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hours, but.
How?

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Radiation, iodine.
And of course from then until

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now I did it twice, OK, for the
first time, and then one time

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after that.
So then they like check your

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levels after that and make sure
that they got all the.

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Yeah, so.
Hard out or?

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Yeah.
So pretty much I get blood work

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done every three to four months
to check my levels and then I

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usually do PET scans once a
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I was frozen, wasn't I?
You know, depending on blood

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work, but not on what I haven't
had anything done for a while.

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So how long have you been?
Cancer for everybody.

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Say hi to my wife.
Hi, Nikki.

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Thanks for watching.
Yeah.

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So Ted, technically, technically
after you have your thyroid

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taken out, you're supposed to be
at 0.

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Technically I'm at like 1 point
between 1:00 and 2:00 on on

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blood work.
So, but I haven't the last time

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I had something done I was last
year, I had one, one small

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nodule taken out.
So I set my fingertip because

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there's cancerous.
They didn't want to leave it

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then, you know, took it out.
But I haven't had anything since

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said my, you know, my skin's
been clear and blood work's been

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good, so.
That's awesome.

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Congratulations man.
Yeah, I I've had this same

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oncologist the same this whole
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I'm an endocrinologist to it.
Endocrinologist.

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It's been the same person
throughout all this stuff.

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That's good.
So now from a so from a cancer

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standpoint, you're free and
clear.

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Now you're just going in for
your annual check UPS.

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Yeah, pretty much, yeah.
I got the blood work done every

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three to four months, and I see
my oncologist every same thing

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every three to four months.
And pretty much, you know, they

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follow the blood work as long as
the blood work's good, you know,

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they just keep an eye on it.
That's awesome man.

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That's scary when you hear the
you got cancer, you know, you

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don't know yeah, how far it's
gone.

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And that's awesome.
I'm glad you're on the right

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track now.
Yeah, thank you.

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Yeah, it's definitely scary.
But I'm, you know, luckily, I

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mean, I don't know, luckily if
somebody were.

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But yeah, there's four different
types of thyroid cancer, and the

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one I had is the least least
spreadable and most contained,

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the most localized.
So you had the best of worst

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case scenario.
Yeah, because I know there's,

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although there's another one
that's right, you know that

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isn't localized and spreads for
every use only.

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Yeah, that's definitely not the
one you want.

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I mean, nobody wants any of it,
but.

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Right.
The best you know.

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In your case, at least, it was
something that they're familiar

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with and they knew how to treat.
And I'm really happy for you,

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man, that your health nothing
means I just was recently sick

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for like a week.
And I mean just like a chest

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cold where you were no energy
and down for the count and just

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can't do anything if you wanted
to.

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Every time that happens to me,
it just really reinforces that

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that's it right there.
Your health is everything.

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Yeah.
And, and you know, like like

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last year I had a fib right,
right around the time, right

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around the time the nodule came
up, I also had a fib, so.

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My dad has that too, so yeah, I
know that can be scary if you're

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not medicated for that.
Yeah.

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And then so I had a
cardioversion done and that that

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helped, that got rid of it.
But the dot, you know, the

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doctor warn me, he said, you
know, cardioversions is could

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there's a chance to come back
and they have to get an

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ablution.
And that's exactly what

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happened.
Like the cardio version, we are

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there for like 3 to four months
and then right right around

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Thanksgiving it came back.
So then I had to do the

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ablation.
This past January I did it.

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Chris will be right back.
He he just texted me.

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He got kicked off his Internet.
I will fuck and.

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He said he signed back on SO.
I was wondering what happened to

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him.
Yes, it's weird, man.

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His Internet, and for the people
who are listening, we apologize

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every now and then.
It just goes crazy.

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He's got a cable modem and he
has Starlink.

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He actually has two choices and
where he's at in Arizona, it's

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not really rural, but it is like
a horse property community.

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So they're kind of on the edge
of the suburbs if I understand

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him right.
I think they just don't have the

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same kind of dedicated lines
that most communities have going

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into them yet.
Like he said, they're trenching

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for fiber optic now.
So Oh wow, that's what I have.

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I have a 1 gig up and 1 gig down
router sitting right in front of

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me.
Yeah, that's right.

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I have.
I have Verizon.

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I have to, yeah.
This is a company called Pavlov.

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One guy owns this entire company
that's based out of Champaign,

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IL if I remember right.
Either there, Denver, Co, I

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can't remember which.
I'm in Illinois.

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Chris is in Arizona.
I think you said you're in New

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York.
Yeah, I'm in New York.

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I'm in Long Island, New York.
Oh wow, that's awesome, man.

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So we're literally almost
traversing the entire country

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trying to do this.
It's amazing it works at all to

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be honest.
With you, it's pretty cool, you

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know.
But yeah, so you know that

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that's where I'm at now.
You know, health wise.

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Knock on wood, I'm clear.
So in the music side of things,

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have you played with a band?
I know you said you're trying to

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do like your own
singer-songwriter thing.

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Yeah, I haven't done bad.
Hey, I don't know what happened.

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To you.
I don't know what happened

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there, man.
It's just everything went black.

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I'm like, oh, OK.
Yeah, I I saw a goat blurry and

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I'm like, what happened?
I, I think, I think my, my

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normal, I have two Wi-fi's.
I think the, I think the Cox one

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just decided to disappear
because I can't find it.

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So it just blew me up for some
reason, you know?

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The other Chris is off in
cyberspace.

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Right, so I was.
Just asking him on the music

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side of things if he'd ever
played with a band.

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I know from following on
Instagram he's working on a

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singer-songwriter kind of deal.
I just have you ever played with

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a group or anything as a guitar
player?

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I've never played with a group.
I'm always, I'm always looking.

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I think I'm more comfortable
doing it more now than I was in

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the past, so I think part of it
was self-confidence.

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I get it.
But I think part of it was,

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yeah, that's part of the reason
why I, we took up lessons, you

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know, for exactly that reason to
kind of because you gain some.

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Comfort.
Yeah, you know, I could play

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chords, I could record stuff
like that.

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But you know, once you start
getting to scales and different,

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you know on that, on the theory
part of it.

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Yeah, don't worry about that
shit.

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Yeah, just have fun playing
rhythm because that's the you're

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going to play rhythm over 90% of
the time.

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Even if you're like, I was the
only guitar player in the band I

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played in with Chris, so I I
pulled double duty, right?

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You're still playing rhythm over
90% of the time.

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And that's the most important
thing.

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It's so sad that a guy like
Eddie Van Halen was so good as a

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lead guitar player because he
was actually a better rhythm

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guitar player, but nobody talked
about.

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That I haven't thought about
that yet.

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His sense of timing is still
untouched.

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Yeah.
You know, he would speed up and

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slow down within the song and
make it sound musical.

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Yeah.
That.

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That's.
Hard.

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Yeah, he wasn't thinking about
it.

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He just knew what he wanted to
hear and he did it.

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But what he was doing, that
swing feel where it's not on a

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perfect beat, Yeah, you're
playing ahead and behind the

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beat.
A/C DACDC is famous for that.

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The drummer's always playing
slightly behind the beat.

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It's what makes you want to keep
listening, right?

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Yeah, it's like the solo to
shock me too.

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Yes, it's a part in a solo
because I learned it now.

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I learned it two years ago,
whatever.

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And I remember my guitar teacher
saying, Oh yeah, this part kind

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of does behind the beat.
And then he comes back.

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But yeah, it's that
anticipation.

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It keeps your listener wanting
more.

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Yeah, but those kind of things
are hard to do if you haven't

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spent countless hours playing
with the metronome.

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So that's why I said just
concentrate on playing rhythm.

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And when you get that down to
where you're comfortable playing

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with a drummer or a drum machine
or whatever, those two things, I

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can't stress enough.
Spend more time playing rhythm

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than anything, and make sure
you're playing with the

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metronome.
Yeah, I'm, I'm always freaking

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out.
You know the macrodome or

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something on YouTube?
And I say that because I got

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chastised by the drummer that
Chris and I played with.

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That was the first thing that he
beat me up about.

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He's like, I've never seen
somebody who can play so well

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that speeds up and slows down
more than you.

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Oh, really?
And that, that's from doing with

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the Metrodome and all that.
For me, it's for me it was.

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I didn't play with the
metronome.

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I just sat in my bedroom and
jammed right.

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So I didn't have a drummer.
I wasn't really trying to play

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other people's music, so I
wasn't getting a sense of

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timing.
I was just, I had my own sense

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of timing.
Yeah, yeah.

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Which, if you got a guy like
this who wants to sing a song

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and you're speeding up and
slowing down within that same

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song, there better be a damn
good reason for it or he's going

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to be pissed off.
Flip out.

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We would use it though.
We would use that as part of the

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dynamic of whatever song we
were.

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Right.
You know, I, it became, yeah, it

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became one of my better
qualities.

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But I have to credit Scott with
that because he's the one that

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taught me he you got to be on
the beat first before we can

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deviate from it.
Before you, Yeah, you guys stay

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on it before you offer.
You cannot deviate from the

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norm.
Everybody got mixed feelings.

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The vomits to rush there yeah,
shut us down now YouTube.

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So we put up a show, a couple of
our 133rd show.

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We we actually we shoot, we can
screen share.

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So we went to YouTube and we
were, we were playing

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Comfortably Numb live at Pompeii
with Gilmore doing this, right.

451
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,080
OK.
Even Rover's like, yeah, OK, So

452
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,840
we were talking about that.
And then we we did the medley

453
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:48,400
that happened with Youngblood,
Aerosmith at the MTV, wherever

454
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,200
the hell they were.
Yeah.

455
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:56,120
In the other the other World and
so but we were talking about

456
00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:59,240
that and then so when we when we
dropped the episode it it got

457
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,000
blocked YouTube blocked the
whole thing.

458
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,360
So before you came on Mike and I
were talking about it.

459
00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:06,040
He think he he realizes now it
was the MTV part of it.

460
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,400
So, so.
I saw the I saw the post, you

461
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,240
guys.
That's why anybody who posted

462
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,400
anything to do with that MTV
Music Awards, if you read the

463
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,040
letter that they sent Chris, it
says blocked globally.

464
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,520
That means anybody who shared
any piece of that, MTV said,

465
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,480
shut them down.
Oh, OK.

466
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,840
Which, you know, like you can go
to you, you can go to you, but

467
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,560
you can go to YouTube and pull
it up.

468
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,840
It's like the dumbest thing.
And here's the thing.

469
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:36,960
And share it with.
Us.

470
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,560
This is where I agree with Chris
and I agree with a lot of

471
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,840
podcasters that I've heard
before this that made the same

472
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,400
argument, and I can make both
arguments.

473
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,760
But I think the fact that you're
bringing attention to these

474
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,080
artists is far more important
than even if we were making

475
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,800
money on this, which we're not
right now.

476
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,600
So at this point in time, Robert
Mckay's on episode, I think

477
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,440
we're on 138 or so now.
We have not been paid to do

478
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,600
this.
And that's not, it's not good or

479
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:14,360
bad, but if we're helping that
artist promote themselves and

480
00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:17,240
we're not being compensated for
it, why should we have a

481
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,800
negative strike against us?
I agree with your argument in

482
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,400
space.
Yeah, because the other song we

483
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,360
had on there was Ultra Bridges
new single The Silent Divide,

484
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,680
which was fantastic because they
went, they went back to their,

485
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,520
you know, heavy side.
So we had that going.

486
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,080
So those three things.
But we think it's just the the

487
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,960
MTV 1.
So we're going to have Mike cut

488
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,440
that down and see if that's.
True.

489
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,160
Yeah, Like I said, I saw, I saw.
I'm like, wow, that's wild.

490
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,560
Yeah.
I mean, for the people who are

491
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,920
watching on YouTube and Twitch
who are here every week #1 thank

492
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:49,880
you.
We appreciate it.

493
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,160
Michael Cergeant, want to see
that episode?

494
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,880
You can go to Spotify or their
Apple.

495
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,200
Spotify has the video, Apple has
the audio.

496
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,080
For some reason they're OK with
that.

497
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:05,400
So on our on our live part of
part of of of YouTube when we

498
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,280
did the show live that day, I
wonder if it bled through or

499
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,360
they blocked that as well.
Well, we'll have to go back and

500
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:12,400
look.
I never thought about that.

501
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,320
It's an interesting.
Question, I'll go on my phone

502
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,160
and do it because my wife, I
just did the same thing.

503
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,480
So another thing I want to talk
about Robert Wiley.

504
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,280
Wiley looked this up.
You wrote a book or you're

505
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,440
writing a book.
I wrote a book, so it's actually

506
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,240
out.
OK, hold that up in a little

507
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,360
here.
So people can see it, man.

508
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,960
There you go.
It's actually out now on Amazon

509
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,720
and Barnes and Noble.
OK.

510
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,720
And give us give us a synopsis
about it.

511
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,600
Just I mean, I don't want you to
give away because we want people

512
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,280
to come by it, but give give us
a little.

513
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,560
Tell us why you.
Wrote it in kind of a back

514
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:43,480
story.
There you go.

515
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,160
So why I wrote it kind of fell
into my lap.

516
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:53,040
I wasn't really planning on it.
So I started writing it last

517
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,920
year when I had my nodule taken
out.

518
00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:01,040
So because I'm a butcher, when I
had this done, I couldn't do, I

519
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,360
couldn't work for a week, so I
couldn't do the lifting.

520
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:13,080
So because this one was so
small, this stiff, the neck

521
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:18,600
stiffness didn't last that long,
only lasted I think 2, two days,

522
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:24,000
two, 2-3 days the most.
And so by the third day I felt

523
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,160
better.
So I had empty notebooks.

524
00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:30,920
I always have empty notebooks
lying around just to write, so I

525
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,280
remember.
Somebody else I don't know.

526
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,800
Most, most guitarists and
singers do, man.

527
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:40,200
Yeah, I almost, I think I have
at least two or three notebooks,

528
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,520
just cool.
And I always carry one with me

529
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,560
in the car just to write
whatever.

530
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,720
So it was like 2O clock in the
morning.

531
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,800
I'm like, no, I don't have work
in the morning.

532
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,120
And you know, I said I'm just
going to write just to write,

533
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,200
you know, And I started to
write, you know, you know what I

534
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:04,480
was saying before with the
slashing on MTV And I stayed off

535
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,400
until like 4 O clock in the
morning.

536
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:12,160
And I think I wrote like I want
to say 10 pages in like 2 hours

537
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,080
because I just wrote, you know,
and I hand wrote it.

538
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,880
So I didn't have a laptop at the
time either.

539
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,840
So I literally hand wrote this
in a notebook, pen and paper.

540
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,200
That's impressive.
All into.

541
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,960
Itself, So yeah.
So then a week later, my

542
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,440
birthday is August 26th.
Mine's the.

543
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:37,760
Second surgery.
So the surgery was set up the

544
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,320
first week in August was when we
confirmed, OK, we're going

545
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,640
through the surgery, take it out
because it's cancerous, we don't

546
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,840
want to risk it.
So the girl calls me for the

547
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,600
surgery.
She's like, hi, I'm calling to

548
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:52,880
schedule.
I said OK.

549
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,160
She's like, well, the first date
we have available is August

550
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,600
26th.
That's my birthday.

551
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,880
So I'm like, you know, do you
have anything else?

552
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,320
You know, that's my birthday.
I don't want to have surgery on

553
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,680
my birthday.
So, so then she's like, well,

554
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,680
the next date is September 9th.
Well, I don't want to wait until

555
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,760
September to get this thing
taken out.

556
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,320
You know, if we're going to take
it out, let's get it taken out.

557
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,120
So happy.
Birthday.

558
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,720
Yeah.
Right, yeah.

559
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,280
So then she's like, well we have
August 18th.

560
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,680
I said OK, I said this one,
let's do August 18th.

561
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:33,600
So I had to kind of like clean
my case a little to let's not do

562
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,640
it on my birthday type thing.
So, but you know, we pulled it

563
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,000
off.
So, so that's how we came about

564
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:49,680
and the, the week I was off, I
got really nice these weather

565
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,480
wise.
So I went down by the water for

566
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,480
three of the days.
Wednesday, Thursday.

567
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,000
He lives on Long Island.
Chris.

568
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,360
Yeah, OK, OK.
Yeah, so I went down to Smith

569
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:07,840
Point and yeah, I wrote some of
it there and I saw my family on

570
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:14,480
my birthday and when I saw my
head, 29 page, 29 pages written

571
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,720
out, you know, hand roll.
No, these are these eight half

572
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,080
by 11 pages like a normal
notebook.

573
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,760
A regular?
Yeah.

574
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,280
Notebook.
OK, Yeah, regular notebook.

575
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,720
OK, cool.
Is this fiction nonfiction?

576
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,200
What?
Is this fiction?

577
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,040
Nonfiction.
Are you writing like a fiction

578
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,560
book or a book about yourself?
Biography.

579
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:39,400
OK, OK, there you go.
So, so I had it.

580
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:44,080
I had it the whole thing right
now, by the end of September.

581
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,240
And then I submitted it to a
publisher first week in October,

582
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,000
got approved.
And then, you know, a lot of

583
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,520
edits, a lot of random edits on
it, sure.

584
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,600
But yeah, so it came out two
weeks ago.

585
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,240
Cool.
Congratulations.

586
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,800
And thank you.
So, and it's basically, it's

587
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:09,440
basically about, you know, the,
the cancer part, the music part

588
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,640
everywhere I've played, I tried
out for America's Got Talent

589
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:16,200
twice.
That's.

590
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,840
Awesome.
Yeah, that that was before

591
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,440
COVID.
So, so, so tell us about that

592
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,720
process, because we've never had
somebody that's tried out for

593
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,400
that show been on our show.
So what's the process like for

594
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,440
that?
So that now, now it kind of

595
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,160
sucks.
Now it's all virtual.

596
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,840
You know, but just go back to
when you did.

597
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,120
I don't care about now, Robert.
I want to know what your

598
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,640
experience was when you tried
out.

599
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:43,600
So the additions was at the
Travis Center in New York City.

600
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:49,120
So I did it two years in a row,
the year 2018-2019.

601
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,640
So you go in and I never did it
before.

602
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,320
So the first year I did, I don't
know what I was walking into or

603
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,880
how many people or right.
So, so take us to the first

604
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,120
year.
So you go to the do you go to

605
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,200
the spot for the first year?
What do you, I mean, what do you

606
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,120
see?
Walk us through that.

607
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,320
Is there crowds so.
You walk, you walk in.

608
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,640
You walk.
Yeah, you walk in, you walk down

609
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:16,800
the stairs and there's a line
and then there's a check in at

610
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,600
the, you know, we got there.
So, so the first year I did it,

611
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,960
my aunt came with me and my son
came with me and we're waiting

612
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,600
on line and there's two people
in front of me, kids maybe

613
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:36,240
around 2022.
So his friend keeps asking the I

614
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,560
look like, are you nervous?
So he says no, no.

615
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,560
So at one point he says, you
know, you should just forget

616
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,160
where you're going to play and
you should just break out a

617
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:49,440
Taylor Swift song.
I started laughing because I

618
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,440
wasn't into country at that
point.

619
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,280
At that point, I was still on
Slash, you know, Slash.

620
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,240
I wasn't really listening to
country.

621
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,200
So I turned around to my aunt.
I said, yeah, I I'm not, no way

622
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,440
you would catch me doing
country.

623
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,600
I'll stick with, you know,
Metallica or whatever.

624
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:12,880
Now I do contract, but so you
sign in and then you go into I

625
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:18,239
guess like a big auditorium, not
order, but open space.

626
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,480
So you just kind of hang out
there and then you get called by

627
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:29,440
groups, I want to say groups of
20 and then you go into another

628
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,360
room to wait there and then they
call you 10 at a time.

629
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:39,120
And I remember while I was
waiting to get cold while you've

630
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,880
got while you're in a second
room, I heard clapping.

631
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,400
So on the call man told me that
this is going to be like on an

632
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,760
actual stage stage.
You just have a clap and they

633
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,480
don't tell you really anything
what kind of room is going into.

634
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:56,600
So then when they call, you go
into a room with 10 other people

635
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,360
and it's like conference room.
So you sit along the wall and

636
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,320
you know, the person's in the
middle with the camera and you

637
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:11,080
get, you had 90 seconds to do
whatever talent we're going to

638
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,800
do.
So I was the only one doing

639
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,760
music.
The guitar.

640
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,320
Everyone else was singing or I
think, and I think there was a

641
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,160
dancer, but I was the only one
really doing music.

642
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,120
Yeah.
So I think Guns and Roses

643
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,160
Patience, because I knew it and
I played enough that all right,

644
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,040
90 seconds, I could pull it off.
So.

645
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,400
So the girl says, all right, you
know, any volunteers?

646
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,360
So everyone's looking at each
other.

647
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,960
So no one volunteer.
Yeah.

648
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,960
And I'd be like, let's go, let's
go.

649
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,760
Me too.
Let's get it over.

650
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,240
Now if now if you told me I
would like, I'll go first.

651
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:52,080
Yeah.
Problem, yeah.

652
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,080
But I just playing guitar, I'll
put my.

653
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:56,760
But see, part of that I think
could be the fact they want to

654
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,720
see how you perform in front of
a crowd.

655
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:00,680
So when they're asking who was
the volunteer, whoever threw

656
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,920
their hand up first, they okay,
that guy is not going to have an

657
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,600
issue playing in front of people
because he right away went pick

658
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:06,240
me.
I'm good.

659
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:06,680
Let's.
Right.

660
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:08,640
Yeah.
And the ones that are kind of

661
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:09,560
like the ones they're doing,
right?

662
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:10,960
That's what I'm saying.
It could be one of those

663
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,240
psychological qualifying
questions.

664
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:16,560
So they're taking notes of every
group of 10 who automatically

665
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,600
said me, me, me, me, me, me.
Me.

666
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,120
Yeah, I can tell you.
An ACT group?

667
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,560
No.
One we all did.

668
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,360
We all just looked at each other
like.

669
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,000
And then that's like, OK, not
this group.

670
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,800
Yes, I know.
But I but everyone stayed in a

671
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:37,760
room while everyone performed.
OK, so that that was kind of

672
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,640
cool.
It wasn't like, all right, 90

673
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,800
seconds, you got to leave.
So what was the so?

674
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:45,520
So what?
So you get your 10, you called

675
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,480
into that conference room,
That's where you did your

676
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,200
performance.
Yeah.

677
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,520
OK.
Was it the actual judges or was

678
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,480
it somebody else?
Now it was someone else.

679
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,560
It was someone was an actual
judge like you see on the shows

680
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:01,360
they had.
The camera was the.

681
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,600
Was the clapping just a backing
track that they were playing?

682
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:06,960
Is that?
Not a word clap.

683
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,400
No no.
Is everyone clap and.

684
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,680
OK.
It was actually people that were

685
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,960
watching the performances, OK.
Yeah.

686
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,320
So it's kind of like they had a
Yeah.

687
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:16,240
OK.
So it's kind of like you're

688
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:18,000
trying to get backstage in
Metallica concert.

689
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,800
You got to go through the
roadies before you go see you

690
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,560
get backstage.
So that's who came up was the

691
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,560
roadie seeing if you if you were
worthy of going to the next

692
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:27,760
step.
OK, Yeah.

693
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,560
Yeah, pretty much.
You think of a dialogue.

694
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,640
Imagine that.
You got to see the band, unless

695
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,080
the band wants to see him.
Right.

696
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,840
But imagine, imagine that job
you're and now you didn't answer

697
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,560
the question you made like how
many people were there?

698
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,080
Was there a hundred?
Was there 1000?

699
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,720
Was there a land?
Rent on the building, I would

700
00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:46,760
say 1000 OK.
He's he's right around New York.

701
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,360
City.
So yeah, let's just try to skip

702
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,800
that.
So imagine being that guy, the

703
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,800
roadie that has to go through
these thousand people and pick

704
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,720
out a select number to take back
to the band and say, OK, out of

705
00:37:57,720 --> 00:37:59,560
these, this is who you're going
to have the judge from.

706
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,400
That's pressure on the roadie,
right?

707
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,840
Because what if, what if
somebody has a bad 90 seconds

708
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:05,840
and they're phenomenal, no
question.

709
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,720
They just had a shitty 90
seconds, right?

710
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:14,560
And then yeah, yeah.
And at the time when at the time

711
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,600
when they did it in person, so
they they went to all the

712
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,320
cities, yeah, they went to like
12 city, sure.

713
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:21,960
So.
I remember that.

714
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,280
I remember that part of it.
Yeah, Oh.

715
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:26,880
I'm sure I did it.
Yeah.

716
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,760
And my aunt asked me on the way
of she's like, how did you do?

717
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,320
I said, I don't know.
I say, I hope I did it.

718
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,800
I kind of zoned out while I
started playing.

719
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,360
Do they say anything when you're
done, Like at all?

720
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,880
They, yeah, they just say thank
you.

721
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,040
All the usual.
Thank you for coming and thank

722
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,360
you for trying out.
You know you'll go to e-mail

723
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,480
January, February.
So what did the e-mail say when?

724
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:54,240
You said right, yeah, you're
going to get an e-mail 1 zero to

725
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:55,880
60 days.
So everybody like check an

726
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,360
e-mail, check an e-mail, check
an e-mail.

727
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,440
Where's the spam?
Where's the junk folder?

728
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,080
Oh shit, did I move the wrong
one?

729
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,720
And.
The e-mail was pretty generic,

730
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,880
you know, kind of like, thank
you for trying out, you know,

731
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:10,840
You know, you haven't moved on
to the next level, right?

732
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,160
Yeah.
Thank you.

733
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,760
Bro it's pretty generic e-mail
across the board.

734
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,520
In the world of e-mail spam, oh,
you're just going to get an

735
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,120
e-mail from us?
I was.

736
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:23,760
I would have called him every
day.

737
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,040
Hey, I didn't get an e-mail.
Did you send it yet?

738
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,920
Yeah, that's what's all she.
Said did I win?

739
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:33,560
You know you'll you'll know by
e-mail if you moved on or.

740
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,280
Not right.
It's that George Costanza thing.

741
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,240
Costanza.
I'm going to Burrow into your

742
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:38,720
brain every day.
Hi, this is Robert McKay.

743
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,760
Did I get my e-mail yet?
Yeah, No.

744
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,560
Hey, it's Robert again.
Did I get my e-mail?

745
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,760
Yet no.
Stanza I was in 58 days and yes,

746
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,840
Robert, you can come on the
show. 06 days.

747
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:53,000
It's.
Awesome.

748
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,120
So then you went back the next
year?

749
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,800
I went back the next year.
So when I went back in 2019, I

750
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,880
already started guitar lessons.
I, you know, I restarted guitar

751
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,000
lessons.
So I did.

752
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:10,400
Second year I did Mama 10.
Oh nice.

753
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,200
Because I, you know, I just
finished learning and I'm like,

754
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,880
all right, this is pretty, you
know, pretty easy.

755
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:23,320
So I did that and the second
time I wasn't as nervous because

756
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,320
I kind of, yeah, I kind of knew
the setup.

757
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,720
For yeah.
So what do you call it?

758
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,160
So the girl at the girl asks,
you know, she asks you what are

759
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:35,960
you going to perform or what are
you going to do?

760
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,840
So I said, yeah, I'm going to do
Mama Kim by Aerosmith.

761
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,200
So it's like, oh, wow, OK, cool.
So same thing.

762
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,560
I, you know, my aunt came the
second time too.

763
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,080
And she's like, how'd you do?
I said yeah, I saw.

764
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,080
I zoned out, you know, no, she
said, you know, she said

765
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,120
whenever, whenever you're ready,
start.

766
00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:57,720
And then she kind of put your
hand, you know, she put your

767
00:40:57,720 --> 00:41:00,200
hand up when you're, you know,
time is up.

768
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,080
But yeah, as soon as she said
you whenever you're ready, I

769
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,720
just floored it and just kept on
playing so.

770
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,880
That's the way to do it.
I'll give you another tip that

771
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,000
will help you when you're
nervous or you're having stage

772
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,360
fright.
Remember that nobody can do what

773
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,280
you can do, right?
Nobody is you.

774
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,800
And even worse than that, very
few people in that crowd can do

775
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,480
what you can do.
They're all in amazement.

776
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:35,240
Even if you're not as good as
right, even if you're not 100%

777
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:38,680
up to par to being and playing
in front of people, keep in mind

778
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,600
that very few people can do what
you can do.

779
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,760
Yeah.
And, and I think the more I've

780
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:48,280
done open mics and stuff like
that over the past, because even

781
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,080
as long as I have complained, I
just started to do open mics

782
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,960
three years ago, 3-4 years ago.
So, you know, that's one thing

783
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,440
that's definitely you kind of
realize over time.

784
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,880
And I think once you realize
that, yeah, it makes a world of

785
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,240
difference.
When you totally don't realize

786
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,880
what?
You know, because I, because I,

787
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:13,240
it's like, you know, give me
another one, you know?

788
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,320
Same thing with podcasting
lately.

789
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,760
That very few people can do what
you can do.

790
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,520
I always kept that in mind, like
when you and I would get up on

791
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,280
stage.
Not that I had to think about it

792
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,040
a lot.
Because the one advantage that

793
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,880
we had, Robert, is we were
probably too young and dumb to

794
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,360
know that we should have been
scared.

795
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,200
Yeah.
You know, we were so excited.

796
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,960
That's it.
It's funny how we always take

797
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,280
the same word, but that was it.
We were so excited to get up

798
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,320
there and show what we had done
in the rehearsal space because

799
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:49,240
we rehearsed at nauseam, you
know, like probably 10 times

800
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:52,200
more than any other band did
because we wanted to be that

801
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,040
much better.
So not only were we young and

802
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,200
not knowing that we should have
been nervous to get up there,

803
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,880
but we were so polished that
there was nothing to be afraid

804
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,160
of.
Train wrecks for us became, wow,

805
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,680
I wish we could do that every
night, but it was an accident,

806
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,200
you know, I was like, wow, that
was really cool.

807
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,920
But we'll probably never be able
to replicate that.

808
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,040
Yeah, like.
What did you do?

809
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,320
There Yeah.
And even my brother, my brother

810
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,400
said after the first time I re I
remember I called him or he

811
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,920
called me because he couldn't
come out because he had work.

812
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,440
So he's like, hey, how'd you do?
So I said I guess I did all

813
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,280
right.
I said, you know, they didn't.

814
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,040
You know, I was nervous, but I
did it.

815
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:34,760
And he kind of said the same
thing.

816
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,160
He said.
You know, he takes a lot of guts

817
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,520
to do.
Damn right.

818
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,480
You know, he said, you know, you
say a lot of people say they're

819
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,920
going to do something and never
follow through with it.

820
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,120
So that, that that's always
stuck with me.

821
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,200
You know he he told me that
after the first time I did it.

822
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,640
And that was always my comeback.
If somebody criticized anything

823
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,360
that I did or our band did, I
was like, start your own band

824
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:01,720
and do better, right?
Yeah.

825
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,240
Yeah.
Like, I'm not going to sit there

826
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:06,880
and argue and feed into it.
I just look at him and say

827
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,560
you're welcome to start your own
band and get up there and do it

828
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,440
too if you're so fucking smart,
right?

829
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,280
Right.
But that, that's always stuff.

830
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:15,800
And I, I tell him that all the
time.

831
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,040
That's always stuck with me.
It's true, Yeah.

832
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,480
It's true, though.
I mean, because here's the

833
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,040
thing, at the end of the day,
you know, you're even even the

834
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,680
bands that are out right now in
the world, you pick a band,

835
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,440
there's not not one person could
be defined as he's the best lead

836
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,480
singer ever, right?
Or he's the best guitarist ever,

837
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,640
I mean.
No, and that's not what music.

838
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,760
That's one of the things that
attracted me to music to begin

839
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,160
with, as it wasn't a
competition.

840
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:40,720
Right.
It's just you as much.

841
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:45,280
As I like sports, I don't like
that pick a team kind of thing,

842
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,160
you know?
It's like, right, I like

843
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,880
everybody.
The three of us are all

844
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,560
musicians.
We're all talking the same

845
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,520
language right now.
I'm just into whatever you're

846
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,320
doing musically as you would be
what we are.

847
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,480
It's not where the Bears versus
the Cowboys or whatever.

848
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,520
You know, it's there's no
animosity.

849
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,080
And let's talk about how the
bears destroyed them.

850
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:08,280
Oh my God.
Thank you, cost me 50 bucks but

851
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,560
it was worth every bit of it.
But yeah, that's all I was

852
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,160
saying was same thing, man.
You, you, you know, I may not

853
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,360
have been the best singer in the
world, but I was the best at

854
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,720
what I did and how I wrote.
You were the best singer that

855
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:21,760
Nemesis ever had, and that's all
we needed.

856
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,040
Yeah, thank.
You and but that's the thing so

857
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:29,560
it's it's you own your space so
the fear I mean everybody has

858
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,400
that fear of performing when
they first start doing it.

859
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,200
Luckily a lot of my fears got
got pushed out of the wayside

860
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,000
because before I was in bands, I
was in acting and I was on

861
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,160
stage, you know, doing
theatrical plays and stuff.

862
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,600
So the that that that nervous
energy eventually just evolved

863
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,840
into excitement and just raw
energy trying to burn that

864
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,240
energy before we go on.
Because you know, when you're in

865
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:52,600
a band, you're always faster
live, you're always faster live.

866
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,680
And we would play 3 songs
without saying a word to the

867
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,160
crowd back-to-back to back.
You know, when we get that I'm

868
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,880
already like oh fuck is
sweating, you know, because you

869
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,400
just, you're just hyped.
So the.

870
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,400
That every time he does this I
want to get back up there.

871
00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:12,320
Yeah, I mean, my first open mic,
I I was nervous as hell.

872
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,040
My first open mic was was in
North Carolina.

873
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,960
It wasn't even local.
That's North Carolina.

874
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,640
That's good break.
Get your, get your, get your,

875
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,440
get that, you know, one of the
iron out the edges out of

876
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,640
Hometown and then come to
hometown just dialed in, man.

877
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,080
They'll be like, holy shit, did
you see Robert last night?

878
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,640
That was outstanding, man.
Because they were nobody.

879
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,520
Nobody remembers when you play
in front of five people, right?

880
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,520
And one of them is the janitor,
one of them is the bartender,

881
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:44,960
and one's the waitress, right?
So, but you got to start

882
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,320
somewhere.
So that's cool, man.

883
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:48,400
You know, you just got to start
somewhere.

884
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,960
We played Monday night at
midnight too.

885
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,000
Yep.
Trust me, there's not many

886
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,800
people out partying Monday night
at No and.

887
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaking, Speaking of Guns and
Roses slash not too long ago

888
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,440
there was something populated on
on I think a real whether it was

889
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,440
Instagram or Facebook.
They actually had a 32nd clip of

890
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,680
Guns and Roses in what looks
like a tip city.

891
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,840
Yeah, what looks like a 15 by 15
room.

892
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,600
Nobody was in there except
somebody sitting on a chair next

893
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,000
to the stage.
Like 6 people.

894
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,120
And they're playing, yeah.
And they're playing.

895
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,520
And it's.
And the capture was basically no

896
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:20,880
one real.
No one remembers.

897
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,360
It always starts this way.
Like you don't.

898
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,400
It always starts.
It was like 1980, four, 1985,

899
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,160
you know, they broke.
In six or seven.

900
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,920
Right, but that's the thing as.
I said I don't tell you.

901
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,440
Yeah, well, yeah, because before
appetite there were nobody.

902
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,760
There was just a picture that
Chris was talking about.

903
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,400
Axel's hair was like 3 foot
tall.

904
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:41,680
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.

905
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,760
It was just, it was just like
legit.

906
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,640
If you walked into a bar, they
had a corner stage and there

907
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,920
they were on this tiny corner
stage and you could see enough

908
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,600
space on the floor in front of
them that there was not that

909
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,360
many people there.
No.

910
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,480
But again, but you know, it was,
it was when they were first

911
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,400
jamming, I'm sure when they
first put the band together.

912
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,920
Everybody starts that way.
Nobody, Nobody.

913
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,240
Nobody.
Nobody.

914
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:06,760
Yeah.
You just nobody starts any other

915
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:07,880
way.
You just don't.

916
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,960
You they didn't hand us a
national headlining no opening

917
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,160
spot right off the bat?
No, no, they handed us Monday

918
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:16,760
night at midnight and said good
luck.

919
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,240
Yeah.
Yeah, and let's see.

920
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:19,720
What?
We looked at each other and

921
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,320
yeah, we looked at each other
and said how the hell are we

922
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,200
ever going to get anybody here
when nobody's here?

923
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,560
That was the challenge.
You know, how do I get a

924
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,360
following?
And this was before the

925
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:29,520
Internet.
This was before.

926
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,760
Facebook, yeah, we had.
We didn't have the advantage of

927
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,200
the Internet.
This is 1994 five.

928
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,360
Yeah, so there was no Facebook
or anything like that.

929
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,160
No, hell no.
It's old school.

930
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:40,600
Nobody had a computer in their
house.

931
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,800
I mean very not nobody, but.
Rare.

932
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:44,880
Jeez, that was really good
grammar.

933
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:50,560
Not nobody clear to go my.
So the one of the other things I

934
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,040
noticed about you, you had you
while you were dealing with

935
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:54,280
cancer, you were still
performing.

936
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,160
So how long was this entire
ordeal from when you got

937
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,160
diagnosed and how long you've
played over the years?

938
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,040
I saw that on I think your
Instagram or your Facebook, one

939
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:10,840
of the. 2 The well, I was trying
to I'm trying to I was trying to

940
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,240
in 2011.
So the thing with with at least

941
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:20,400
my thyroid cancer, it's luckily
it hasn't been.

942
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,680
I haven't had the effects of it
to where it's really slowed me

943
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,960
down to where I couldn't get
out.

944
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,160
You know, as long as I stay on
top of it with the doctors and,

945
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,160
you know, do my tests and stuff
like that.

946
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,840
Yeah, it's not.
And I'm very lucky that, yeah, I

947
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:46,960
mean, I'm able to travel play as
much as I have, you know, But as

948
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,400
far as playing out, that's been,
I want to say three years, OK,

949
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,040
cool.
Four years, right.

950
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,040
Right after I started lessons,
OK.

951
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,240
Because that that kind of gave
me the confidence to and my

952
00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:02,200
guitar teachers in the band.
In the band, right on.

953
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:08,280
So he's a he's a guitar.
So don't believe in gross so.

954
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,920
So when you go out playing, it's
just you and your guitar.

955
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,600
You're just playing.
Are you doing acoustic electric?

956
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,600
Both.
Both how long are?

957
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,320
Your set.
Well, well, most of the open

958
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:27,120
mics you got to do 3 songs.
OK, Film Festival.

959
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,800
I did Film Festival.
I did one song.

960
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,760
I did a coffee shop this year.
I was at two hours.

961
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,240
Oh nice.
That so that that's the first

962
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:38,760
time I did a 2 hour.
Set on.

963
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,400
Very nice.
That's definitely different.

964
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,960
It is different because I never
played inside a coffee shop

965
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,240
before, but.
You can't.

966
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,320
You can't turn.
I just kind of winged it.

967
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,080
You know you gotta.
You can't turn up to 11 in a

968
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,920
coffee shop.
Yes, but I just kind of winged

969
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,200
it, you know?
Cool.

970
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:00,240
I, yeah, I, I kind of wrote out
a set list and then I'm like,

971
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,360
because, you know, coffee shop
is like people are coming in

972
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:04,200
their own type thing.
Yep.

973
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,000
So I just kind of threw out that
that out the window and I just

974
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,360
kind of wind it for 2.
Hours.

975
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,040
So next time you do a 2 hour
show at a coffee shop, come up

976
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,040
with songs that that can relate.
Like when somebody's leaving,

977
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,440
you start playing Hey Joe, Hey
Joe, where you going that

978
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,400
coffee?
But you change the lyric, right?

979
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,480
Instead of gun, where you going
with that coffee in your hand?

980
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:30,200
And so right, So then so so
search the database of songs

981
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,720
that all relate to.
You can point somebody out.

982
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:34,960
No, just that you can point
somebody out with them.

983
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,080
Like, like, Hey, Joe, summon a
crowd.

984
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,680
Because it could be called Joe.
Right, Right.

985
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,200
So things like that, like, like,
come on, Eileen.

986
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:43,240
Right.
Come on, Eileen.

987
00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:46,320
The the, you know, Dixie, the
Midnight Runners, something like

988
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,640
that I think would be
interesting because then you're

989
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,040
going to get the people engaged
in the fact that they're going

990
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,800
to start catching on after two
or three songs.

991
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,120
You're throwing stuff out there
that people are like, oh, you

992
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,320
know, you're it's there.
It's coming and going songs.

993
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,320
That would be clever, man.
Yeah.

994
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,120
That would be, you know.
I'll definitely yeah, yeah, let.

995
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,840
Us know if you can pull it off,
that would be cool.

996
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,680
I'd like to know that set list,
man, but you got to kick it off

997
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,520
with hey Joe because and then
just tweak it instead of gun

998
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,160
coffee.
Yeah, You know, like if I was in

999
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:15,520
a coffee shop, you'd be like,
what?

1000
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,320
What?
What did he just do that would

1001
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:18,400
help me stick?
Around.

1002
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,800
That's what I'm saying.
I would talk like, wait, it's

1003
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,360
like Weird Al Yankovic, but not,
definitely not writing your own

1004
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:25,800
song.
You're just tweaking them to

1005
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,920
kind of go with the vibe of the
coffee shop.

1006
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,440
Yeah, there's got to be there's
got to be coffee songs and shit,

1007
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,200
man.
You know the.

1008
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,760
Gambler.
You could play the gambler,

1009
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,480
right?
That's like a one person

1010
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,560
storytelling.
It's like storytelling songs,

1011
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:42,880
dude.
Yeah.

1012
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,640
Whoa, yeah, that's that's wow.
Yeah.

1013
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:47,880
Let us know how that works,
Robert.

1014
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:48,720
I think that'd be.
Fun.

1015
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:50,200
Yeah, definitely.
I think that'd be fun.

1016
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,160
So where do people find your
book again?

1017
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,240
Amazon, it's on Amazon and
Barnes and no, I'll put up.

1018
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:02,480
OK, yeah.
And it's against all odds, and

1019
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,400
it's about your journey through
cancer and music and all that

1020
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:10,520
kind of stuff.
Yeah, yeah, everywhere I've

1021
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,880
played, you know, America's,
America's Got Talent.

1022
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:20,640
The two times I did that,
playing in North Carolina,

1023
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:25,280
playing in Jersey.
First time I played in Jersey

1024
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:31,760
was a brewery.
OK, So when, when I first start

1025
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,760
to try to find places, I found a
place local, but it's more like

1026
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:40,480
open jam and trying to explain
to the guy that listened, you

1027
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,680
know, because I, I just started
to write my own stuff.

1028
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,240
Yeah.
Well, you know, he's like, so

1029
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:48,520
he's like, you know, I'll send
you a list.

1030
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,120
And, you know, if you don't know
any of these songs, you know,

1031
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,440
come up and play.
OK, I got you open jam.

1032
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,720
So everybody kind of comes up.
Hey, we're going to play this

1033
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:58,960
from, we're going to play
knocking on his doors from Guns

1034
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,000
and Roses.
Who can play that kind of thing?

1035
00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:03,520
Yeah.
So he sent me a list.

1036
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,200
So I'm like, I know these songs,
but I don't really know how to

1037
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,600
play them because it's more like
set, you know, some of your

1038
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:10,400
stuff like that.
Yeah.

1039
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,320
Oh, yeah.
That that didn't last too long.

1040
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,960
I I tried, I tried going there
two times.

1041
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,360
And he showed me at the end of
the night because I, you know, I

1042
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,000
wanted to play by myself.
So.

1043
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,800
So then I found this place in
Jersey, some on Facebook, you

1044
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,320
know, all different music groups
or different areas.

1045
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,960
So I found a place that was a
Tuesday night, Tuesday, and I'm

1046
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,120
off on Tuesdays.
OK, so I said know what?

1047
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:40,120
I'll drive down, you know, you
know, and I'll come back the

1048
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:41,560
same night.
It's not that far.

1049
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:48,800
So and I just got in my amp.
I have a Catalyst 200 amp nice,

1050
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,560
my line 6 Catalyst.
So I just got it like maybe two

1051
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,080
months before that.
So I text the girl, you know the

1052
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,960
girl.
So I'm like, I don't have a

1053
00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:03,720
sound pickup for my acoustic.
It's OK if I bring my electric.

1054
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:05,960
So it's like, yeah, yeah, not a
problem.

1055
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:07,880
I'm like, it's OK if I bring my
own amp.

1056
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,560
Yeah, yeah, not a problem.
So I don't have to sound pickup

1057
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:14,080
for my acoustic at the time.
So I sent you the picture of the

1058
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,520
amp and I'm like, is this OK?
So she's like, yeah.

1059
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,560
So I guess she didn't realize
how big the amp actually was

1060
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:27,120
when the picture.
So I walk in and when you walk

1061
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:31,880
in, so you had two entrances.
I, I think he used to be old

1062
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:36,240
repair shop or the repair shop.
So where the beige used to be,

1063
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:40,800
that was the bar part.
So and where the office was,

1064
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:45,840
that was like where the bathroom
was, but they kind of put like 2

1065
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:50,520
tables for kind of how like L
then you had to walk down to the

1066
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,800
bar and then the setup was in
the corner.

1067
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:58,160
So I went in through the office
part, so she didn't see my amp

1068
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,280
beforehand.
You know, when I went off to

1069
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:06,080
went off to her to say hi at the
bar, she was bartending, you

1070
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:10,360
know, she didn't see the amp so
she didn't you know, so so she's

1071
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,760
like, oh, how is the ride?
Still wasn't bad.

1072
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,560
It took me 3 hours.
So a guy next to me heard me say

1073
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,760
that and he's like usual 3 hours
to still come play an open mind.

1074
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,120
I said yeah, it wasn't that bad.
So then he's like, are you

1075
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,480
driving back afterwards?
I said yeah.

1076
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,400
I said I have work in the
morning, but yeah, driving back

1077
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,800
the same night right after this.
So they, I, they all look like

1078
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,880
kind of like you're crazy, like,
you know, like you're driving 3

1079
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:44,080
hours to do an open right.
But so, and everyone else is

1080
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,440
playing acoustic now.
Everyone else is playing

1081
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,800
acoustic lights off and here I
am with the amp.

1082
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:56,200
I I think I brought my Fender
the first time, but I switched

1083
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:57,960
it up to my friend and my
Epiphone.

1084
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,360
But yeah, I remember walking
down with it and it's like, Oh

1085
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,400
my God, that's, that's huge.
I'm like, well, is it OK?

1086
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,360
It's like, no, no, that's fine.
It's not a problem.

1087
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:12,600
And I remember looking up at the
bar so bar was like AU and the a

1088
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:17,640
girl looking like that, like Oh
my God, like and I just cranked

1089
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,360
it.
But I was the only one that

1090
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:24,160
played a what?
You know, everything else was

1091
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,240
playing acoustic.
Everyone was playing later

1092
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,520
stuff.
And you are?

1093
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:32,000
You are at least knighted by me
as an official guitar player,

1094
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:33,960
because that's what guitar
players do.

1095
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,280
And I cranked it and.
It's too loud, you can leave.

1096
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,560
Oh, I used to crank it too.
And I.

1097
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,120
Still do.
Well, one of my biggest pipe

1098
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:47,640
peas was, you know, chatter.
When I played, I used to drive

1099
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,720
me nuts.
Like if I'm playing like I don't

1100
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,520
want to hear fucking
conversations.

1101
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,720
Or you're not going to be able
to talk if I'm playing a guitar.

1102
00:57:53,720 --> 00:58:00,000
Right, so because I had my AM,
you know if I heard a chat, I

1103
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,960
didn't make it obvious when I
just want to pretend I'm messing

1104
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,680
around, but meanwhile I'm just
turning the volume up a little.

1105
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,440
So you said you just got to do 3
songs, right?

1106
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:10,960
Right, Right.
So if you're chatting on here,

1107
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,080
if you're shattering after the
first one, guess why you you're

1108
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,000
not going to be shattering by
the time we get done, Yeah.

1109
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,480
The only person that could ever
make me turn down was the sound

1110
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,240
man because he was bigger than
me and he was the one making

1111
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:23,840
the.
Sound good?

1112
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:26,680
Yeah.
And a lot, I mean a lot.

1113
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,880
A lot of the other open mics are
acoustic, like the one I did in

1114
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:35,320
North Carolina.
I became friend, I became pretty

1115
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,440
close with her.
So she used to run.

1116
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,960
She used to run 1, three times a
week.

1117
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:46,320
So whenever I went down, I
always shout to her beforehand

1118
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:51,120
to make sure she was around.
So I always gravitated.

1119
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:56,080
I, I went 2-3 times a year just
to go down and play with her.

1120
00:58:56,080 --> 00:59:00,480
She's always so supporting of
it, you know, and I, I became

1121
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:04,760
really close with her.
So yeah, I, I go down to three

1122
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,640
times a year.
Yeah, I go down to Carolina.

1123
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,000
I play without.
That's awesome, man.

1124
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:11,400
What are you playing?
Where are you all?

1125
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:13,440
Go ahead.
What shows you got coming up,

1126
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,360
coming up?
You know, open mics you're doing

1127
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,400
coming up that people can.
Go check out this yes.

1128
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:24,800
So this year, this year, last
year I I found more local stuff.

1129
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,560
So, you know, which is kind of
cool yeah.

1130
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:40,360
So so I'm doing I'm doing 1 next
Tuesday, do 1 the next Tuesdays

1131
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,560
in a row.
They do it once.

1132
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,600
A month, So the the the 30th,
September 30th, yeah.

1133
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:52,640
And where's that at?
That's at Great S Brewery.

1134
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,200
OK, Patrol.
OK, cool.

1135
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,200
And then and then now since
you're in no, if you're since

1136
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,720
you're in Long Island, I got to
ask the question Giants, Jets or

1137
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,840
Eagles.
Giants.

1138
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:05,920
Thank you.
Wait, what's Giants?

1139
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,240
Jets or Eagles?
Giants.

1140
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:09,160
Giants.
OK, thank you.

1141
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:10,520
How?
About this one Giants, right?

1142
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:12,640
Thank you.
Then Chris still likes you.

1143
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:16,800
Yeah, so you heard They you
heard they they're benching

1144
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:18,680
Russell Wilson.
Did you hear that?

1145
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,880
I don't hear.
Yeah, They benched him today.

1146
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:22,320
Jackson darts.
Oh, they did.

1147
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,040
Jackson darts starting against
the Chargers.

1148
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:26,720
That Oh, sure.
That's the rookie, right?

1149
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:27,840
Yeah.
Oh, sure.

1150
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:29,760
Which, you know, I didn't.
Hear about that?

1151
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,600
They're they're oh, and three.
So Dabel's got to do something

1152
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,000
before he gets fired?
I think he's fired.

1153
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,280
Yeah, I know They were hanging
on.

1154
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,160
Yeah, right.
It's just he was hanging on.

1155
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:39,560
I.
Don't know how he's still there

1156
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,120
dude after five years of.
Being actually, I don't three of

1157
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,320
us.
I mean, they're 31, they're

1158
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:50,320
31114 and two since Eli left.
Yeah, how is he still there?

1159
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,720
Like no idea dude 100.
And five years.

1160
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:56,800
Right. 113 losses since Eli
left.

1161
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:58,360
It's like, come on.
It's just come on.

1162
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:03,320
Yes, Then that's surprising.
I slit, you know, with that kind

1163
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:03,880
of record.
I know.

1164
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,120
Stay at fight.
I know it's ridiculous and the

1165
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,800
amount of people that have left.
Anyway, we get on football, be

1166
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:13,000
here for another hour.
So if you want to find Robert

1167
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,280
McKay, just go on his Facebook
page, which is just Robert

1168
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:16,840
McKay, right?
Yep, Yep.

1169
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,160
As well as Instagram.
Yep.

1170
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,120
OK, and then you can find his
book Against All Odds, Amazon

1171
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,880
and Barnes and Noble.
It's all about his triumphs and

1172
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,480
of, of getting over cancer and
playing music and all the places

1173
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:32,000
he's gone and done and just
coming and, and, you know, doing

1174
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,040
what he loves, right?
And you're also a butcher.

1175
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,200
We didn't talk about you
chopping things up, man.

1176
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:43,200
So, so the butcher said, it's
kind of like I, I could've same

1177
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:44,440
thing.
I kind of fell into it.

1178
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:49,040
So I, I went to Suffolk
Community College for business.

1179
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,640
So while I, while I was going to
school, I was sending out, you

1180
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,360
know, faxing out resumes,
whatever.

1181
01:01:55,000 --> 01:02:00,480
So I I wasn't getting really any
hits and and I tried one place,

1182
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:04,480
it really didn't work out.
So I needed money just to have

1183
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,560
right.
So you know, I picked, you know,

1184
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:11,160
grocery store, whatever.
So I went down from the

1185
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,880
interview and the guys like I
really, because originally I

1186
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:15,920
applied for grocery.
I didn't even apply for my.

1187
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,240
OK.
OK guys, like I really don't

1188
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,480
have anything for groceries.
Anything else you want to do?

1189
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,800
So I said I don't know me
because my uncle was a butcher.

1190
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:28,920
OK, OK.
So, and he, he made a career out

1191
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:29,520
of it.
Yeah.

1192
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:33,320
Are you guys what?
Are you guys union?

1193
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,520
Yeah, I figured.
Yeah, what's 3-4?

1194
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:41,720
What's the 3:40?
Two, I'm 2096 UAW that's.

1195
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:47,120
It I'm not.
He'll, he'll sell you a house if

1196
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:48,880
you want to retire in Arizona,
right?

1197
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:50,120
That's yeah, that's what I'll
do.

1198
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,880
I want to go down to tennis.
Yeah, I'm eventually nothing.

1199
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,960
Nothing wrong with Tennessee.
Man, that's beautiful.

1200
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,160
Yeah.
I'm I'm going down there in 3,

1201
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,760
going down there in three weeks.
Playing the show I.

1202
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:03,880
Want to see family?
I'm going.

1203
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:08,760
OK, well I'm trying to zigzag
and so I'm going down to

1204
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:14,920
Knoxville to see my cousins from
Sunday to Wednesday and then

1205
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:19,160
Wednesday I'm shooting over to
Charlotte to do the open mic

1206
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:25,680
with the with my friend and then
I'm doing one Thursday and right

1207
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,040
near Charlotte.
So I'll be in Charlotte from

1208
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:34,640
Wednesday to Saturday and
Saturday I'm going to Nashville

1209
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:40,040
and I found two open mikes
Sunday, Sunday and Sunday and

1210
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,680
Monday and then Tuesday I had
bath.

1211
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:47,200
So Tuesday I'm going to drive
like halfway, you know, stay

1212
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:51,960
somewhere cool at the halfway
point, then come back Wednesday.

1213
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,560
Right, so, so all you list of
boys and girls out there, go to

1214
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:56,560
Robert McCann on Facebook,
Instagram, find out what he's

1215
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:58,880
playing and go check him out,
man, you know.

1216
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,040
Yeah, I'm always, I'm always
close to where I'm.

1217
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:02,400
Playing, there you go, There you
go.

1218
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,560
All right.
We always, we wrap everything up

1219
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:05,880
like this.
If you're feeling bad, if you're

1220
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,320
depressed, you're suicidal,
don't do it.

1221
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,720
Go go for a run.
Go for go screaming a pillow.

1222
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,800
Go journal.
Go find somebody to talk to.

1223
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,360
If you don't, if you can't find
somebody to talk to, you text

1224
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:16,960
988.
They're standing by waiting to

1225
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:18,720
help you.
Don't leave a hole in somebody

1226
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,640
else's heart.
Tomorrow will be be a better day

1227
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:23,120
because you're waking up in it.
Somebody does love you.

1228
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:24,560
Somebody will miss you.
So remember that.

1229
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:26,840
He's Robert McKay.
I'm Chris Dunham.

1230
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:28,520
He's Mike Michaels.
This is the Chris and Mike show.

1231
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,800
Until next time, see you.
Thank.

1232
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:33,640
You guys.
Don't leave yet.

1233
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:35,440
Don't leave yet, Robert.
We got to make sure I'll upload.

1234
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:51,040
Feel the teeth, focus your eyes,
long your journey.

1235
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:57,040
This is the place where you will
go.

1236
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:04,680
Feel the trail behind your eyes,
Feel the soap and need your

1237
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:07,920
turn.
Take a moment.

1238
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,240
Look at.
You see it, watch your bail and

1239
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:18,160
see your boss.
We Who is this baby?

1240
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,720
Come down here.
You haven't found something.

1241
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:48,640
You see the sand.
You keep on fighting.

1242
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:53,320
Wait for the dead.
Wait, it's closer out there.

1243
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,400
You.
Put in the wind, you went.

1244
01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:00,640
No quizzes, we're playing.
Smile and you should.

1245
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:08,720
You quit on the almighty day.
You gotta do who in your life to

1246
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:16,720
keep our soul in every man?
Take the trail behind your eyes.

1247
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:27,320
Feel the soul evolution now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1248
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,920
yeah, yeah.
Take a moment.

1249
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:34,200
Look at you.
See it?

1250
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,840
Fight the bail in two months.
Clear.

1251
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:07,200
You gotta, you gotta.
You gotta, you gotta, you gotta.