#145 - Lemoyne Alexander - Producer/Musician/Songwriter

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That's because I pressed live I.
Like that music?

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That's us, brother.
Yeah, that's Freeman.

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Written 30 years ago.
It's still relevant today.

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Timeless lyrics.
Man, recreate that drum beat and

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send it to me as a gift.
There you go.

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What's up there, boys and girls?
I'm Chris.

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He's Mike.
This is the Chris and Mike show

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coming to you live on Twitch and
the YouTube.

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And we have as a very special
guest Rock'n'roll star chart

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climbing former rap producer,
artist extraordinaire Lemoyne

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Alexander.
Welcome.

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New new single literally just
dropped yesterday ladies.

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And gentlemen, yeah, yeah.
So drop the information on the

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single Lemoine.
Yeah, tell us all about it.

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Did he freeze now?
Are we in a freezing world?

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Can you hear?
Us.

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Can you still hear us, Lemoine?
What is up with the Internet

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gauze today?
This is that cable splice in the

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Pacific Ocean deal messing with
this.

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It's got to be.
Oh, he he can still hear the

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music.
What the hell?

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See, I have nothing that tells
tells me to.

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Shut the music off, I can't hear
the music.

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Yeah, it is still OK.
What about now?

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Can you hear music in Alamoine?
Is it done?

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Yeah, I can hear you.
Dude, what the hell is there?

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We go Internet today.
I could tell you we're still

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jamming out him and I couldn't
hear the music anymore, I said.

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I think he can still hear the
music.

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Yeah, yeah, there's something
weird going on.

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Mike alluded to it that there
was a Internet cable in the in

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the ocean was severed, some kind
of fiber.

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So, you know, all kinds of crazy
shits going on today,

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apparently.
You can hear us now though,

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right?
Yeah, I can hear you guys all.

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Right.
Cool.

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Yeah.
So what I what I had asked you

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before you couldn't hear me was,
was let's talk about the single

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drop, drop the knowledge.
So people that are joining us

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that may not know you, even
though you're the most watched

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episode we have on our YouTube
channel, talk about the new

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single, where they can find it.
What's what's coming up for you

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in the next month or so as far
as shows and stuff like that's

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concerned.
Then we'll just dive into a

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conversation like always.
Sure, sure.

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The next thing was actually it
just dropped like 24 hours ago.

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It's called Claustrophobia.
And so far it's doing really

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well and everybody likes it.
You know, I'm excited about it.

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And it's one of those, those
songs that personal like like

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insecurity.
And I have shows coming up

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scheduled.
The, the first one is New

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Year's.
I'm, I'm going to be in Chicago

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on New Year's Eve performing.
It's going to be like a party.

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I mean, I'm going to be giving
away merchandise like stuff like

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this here.
My, my, my, my microphones.

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Oh, right on.
Awesome.

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And lots of posters and free
stuff that you get when you come

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to my show.
It's going to be more like a

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like a party than a concert
because we're going to have fun

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that night and then I'll have
some scheduled shows in January.

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February going into 2026 is
going to be really busy for me.

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Cool, You're coming to Arizona.
Yes, absolutely good.

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I have.
Let me.

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Know when you're.
There and I can't wait to get

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there.
Let me know when because last

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time you came out, I think it
was, it was some weird weekend

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where we couldn't connect.
So give me a heads up when

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you're coming to the show.
I'm.

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Coming out there to do a show
when I come out there.

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It is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Cool.
Right on.

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We'll we'll, I'll grab, I'll
grab the wife.

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We'll come take.
We'll come, we'll come join the

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crowd.
And you know, please.

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I'm, I'm going like I'm telling
him I'm going to grab him and

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take him on stage.
With me.

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There you go.
Yeah, I'm in Arizona side.

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Well, Nikki's got this thing
about New Year's Eve.

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Whatever we do on New Year's Eve
is what you do for the rest of

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the year, which is why I've
never played a show on New

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Year's Eve, because she wants to
be doing me on New Year's Eve

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instead of me standing in front
of crowd singing.

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So I've, I've respected that for
31 years.

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So I got to, you know, I got to
honor that because, you know.

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I don't have a wife to respect
yet so.

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So, but yeah, yeah, we're down.
So where can they find your

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single?
The singles everywhere.

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We talking on Spotify, Apple,
Deezer, anywhere.

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You can get your music from
Amazon, It's everywhere.

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OK, cool.
You know, I would appreciate it

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if you guys, everybody could go
listen to it and leave a comment

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about it and tell me what you
think of it.

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Absolutely, absolutely.
That's why I tried to share all

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your stuff.
That's super important, ladies

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and gentlemen, you people that
are listening, it costs you

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nothing to hit that share
button.

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That's zero.
And it helps out so much because

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if you share your friends share,
then their friends share.

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That's the idea.
Yep.

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And here's Lemoyne's and here's
and here's Lemoyne's, excuse me,

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Spotify page.
So that's what we're talking

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about.
Insecurity is one that that he

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came out originally.
There's claustrophobia.

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There's a new one.
Yes, so.

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All you got to do is listen to
it and then give it a thumbs up.

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And then while you're there,
just listen to all these other

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things, all these other songs,
you know, because while you're

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there, you might as well just
enjoy the moment with, you know,

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Yeah.
Because insecurity is a banger

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too, and it did super well on
many different platforms, right?

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Yes, it is.
It's everywhere.

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It's a matter of fact.
It's still going strong.

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It's a great song.
Oh yeah.

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I see people sharing that all
over the place, especially on

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TikTok.
You have a incredible following.

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On Oh yeah.
But that's the thing, man.

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Yeah, that's like started a
thing.

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That's yeah, that's good because
that's like supposed to be the

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thing.
Now everybody's on TikTok,

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they're getting off of the
Facebook and Instagrams and.

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Yeah.
You know at.

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Least that's when you go to.
But oh, it's funny, dude.

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I'm going to show you this is
because it can crack you up,

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Lemoyne.
So check this out because I like

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this.
I learned, we've learned how to

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screen share since we first
talked to you.

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So we stare shit, we we stare
shit.

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We screen share when we're
talking to our guests because we

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want to promote you, right?
Look at the second thing that

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comes up when I typed in your
name on Google Man.

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Oh yeah, 2 days ago.
Happy.

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Birthday.
But yeah, but think about that.

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That's the second thing that
pops up.

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I saw that.
That just cracks me up though.

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I've all the things.
So cool.

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Of all the things that Lemoyne
Alexander would pop.

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But the second thing that pops
up is me wishing happy birthday.

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So you got to look.
You got to look.

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Yeah, you're welcome, man.
So, but yeah, so I want to, I

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want to get, I want to get.
There's your main stuff.

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There's the overview.
If you just type in Lemoyne

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Alexander on Google, you're
going to get, you're going to

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come to his stuff right here.
You got his official artist page

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for for Instagram.
You got the Spotify link we

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talked about?
You go watch his videos on

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YouTube, subscribe to his
channel.

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You can write comments on that
as well.

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Yeah, there's his actual
website, Isotope Records artist.

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Is that how Isotopia isotope?
Yeah, that was that was a great

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label.
I was on with the last two

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albums.
The new album is is is with

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Symphonic and Wicked now.
OK, OK, cool.

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Look there.
I I still come up, but that's

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crazy.
That's yeah.

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There you are like.
Like, but what the odd?

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That's just crazy shit right
there.

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And there's the Claustro
Claustrophobia little clip,

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their new single, so be sure to
check that out.

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There's his albums, right?
Yes, Yep.

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What's the when's you're gonna
drop the entire new album with

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these songs you're on?
Album, it's scheduled, I think

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it's scheduled for March.
OK, cool.

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The the whole entire album, I
think you're gonna really,

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really enjoy it too, because
it's it's great songs like like

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Insecurity and Claustrophobia.
Yeah.

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I like the format you were going
to release it on to that little

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guitar that you had.
Yeah, I'm going to do that.

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Physical format are you still
doing?

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That yeah, that's going to be
really.

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Cool man.
Yeah, that's that's a great,

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unique way to release an album.
Uh huh.

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Absolutely.
I love that.

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Yeah, yeah.
That's your Facebook cover,

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Paige Lemoyne.
Yes, I was looking at it.

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I'm I'm enjoying this.
Yeah.

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Do you do these or do you have
someone do these for you?

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My record company and my
management team does all of

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this.
Nice, they do a fantastic job.

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I I love them turning you into
an animated character.

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It's so.
Cool.

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Yeah, I thought it was crazy at
first, but it really worked and

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the fans like this, so we went
with it.

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We stayed with it, yeah.
Yeah, well, I'm a fan.

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I like it.
So yeah.

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Yeah, it's cool.
And I like the fact that you got

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all the stuff, you got the
guitars, you got the the

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keyboard, you got the drums back
there.

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Because if people don't know, he
plays all the instruments.

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Like he could put his own band
together in his own house, in

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his basement, in his studio, and
come out the next day with a

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with an entire full song where
he's played every single

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instrument on the album.
In addition to being the

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engineer, the producer.
Right.

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Same thing.
Yeah, yeah.

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That's so cool man.
Yeah, so see there's.

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Him blessed here.
Yeah, but see, there's, there's

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him, the insecurity artwork.
Look, that's him on all

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different levels of, of music,
right?

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That's all he's that's him.
That's all his alter egos.

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He's a schizophrenic musician.
He plays everything.

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Yeah, actually you're right.
Oh, there's an old picture.

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You on the stage?
Man, that's a cool.

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One, yeah, I saw that was last
year.

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Right on, dude.
Where's that at?

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That was in California.
OK.

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And that's cool.
Big state.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a lot.

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Like black and I like, I like, I
like black and white Man, black

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and white pictures are so cool.
Oh yeah.

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That's cool too.
I.

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Like that they got the still
Stevie Ray Vaughan hat vibe

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going on.
Love it.

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Yeah, that was perfect world.
OK, we.

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We were shooting at at a
warehouse, I think we were when

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we shot.
This.

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Oh, right on.
That's cool.

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Cool background, man.
Oh yeah, you go.

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Perfect world.
Yeah, perfect.

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World nailed it.
Nailed it.

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I like it.
Title.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was.
It was difficult making that

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album, but I'm glad I got
through it though.

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Right on that a studio shot or
you sitting on a bus.

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That's on a bus when we thought
so, yeah, doing a lot of shows,

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and particularly this one was,
if I'm not mistaken, the

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festival in Chicago.
All right, Hon.

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Very.
Cool, I'm going to do all that

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again next year.
Right now, brother.

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This bad for you?
That was one of my favorite

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songs from the second album.
Cool.

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Right on.
Obviously it's relationship sunk

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because there's a chick in the
picture so you know it's

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relationship oriented.
Yeah.

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The best, best, best songs are
about relationships, man.

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Yeah.
I almost definitely.

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You still have that guitar?
I like that guitar.

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Yeah, that is a cool guitar.
Mr. Policeman, that's the shot

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from Mr. Policeman.
You still have that guitar.

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Hell yeah, I still have it.
It's a matter of fact.

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That's a badass act, man.
I.

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Love it.
Yeah, I was going to give it to

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the California Music Hall of
Fame.

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I mean, when At some point I'm
gonna give it to him so they can

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have it, you know, in a museum.
Why?

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Because then it.
But then it can't be played.

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It'll be silenced, man.
I don't play it anymore like I

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used to but.
Oh, OK, You know, all right.

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Yeah.
Don't silence it, man.

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I'll go to donate it.
If it's one of your go to

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pieces, definitely don't donate
it.

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No, no.
Yeah, you're right about that.

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But.
That's how you know.

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That's how you know how much
Eddie Van Halen loved dime bag

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because he gave up one of his
most prized possessions to bury

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him in.
Yeah.

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I didn't know that.
Yeah, the black and white

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bumblebee stripe guitar that was
on.

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Yeah, I didn't know that either,
but that's that's kind of cool.

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Yeah, I didn't know that.
Such a tribute.

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That's how much Eddie admired
what Dime did for

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revolutionizing guitar playing.
Just like he did, you know?

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That's.
Crazy.

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Yeah, that's true story.
Well, I believe, I don't know if

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you guys followed the first two
albums.

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The last song, there's an
instrumental OK Euphoria that I

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did.
Yeah, I listened to it.

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Yeah, we listened to.
Yeah, I remember that.

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Oh my God, I just heard the the
final mix of the last one, the

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newest one I just did.
Unbelievable.

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OK.
Really.

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I forgot about it and I listened
to it now like kidding me.

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So you got the mastered version
of it?

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Yeah, so I listened to it and
the weirdest thing is there's a

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section at the end of the song
where it's about at least maybe

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a minute of just me playing no
music to Solar Cool.

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And I was like.
Just guitar.

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Yeah, I was amazed.
Cool.

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Awesome.
And as I was doing it, I forgot

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all about it because I haven't
heard it in some weeks and

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months now.
Now that I listen to it, it was

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like, Oh my God, I couldn't
believe that I did.

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I must have been in the zone
when I did that.

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I just, I just listened to a
podcast where this guy was

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saying, and it blew me away that
what you're describing is the

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artists and entertainers that
are walking the planet today are

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literally pulling from the
Akashic records in another

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dimension back to this one, an
art form that has been lost to

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humanity longer than we realize.
So if it wasn't for the players

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and the entertainers that are
walking the earth today, it

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would be a pretty boring place.
That's why I've always tried to

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describe to people I don't know
what's happening when I'm

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playing because I can't describe
it to you in real time, right?

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That's true.
You're pulling, that's it.

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You're pulling from somewhere
else.

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You're the vehicle and you're
throwing it back out to the

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public and you're hoping that
they are able to comprehend what

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you are, right.
That's what you just described

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to me.
I was just getting ready to say

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this is.
This is weird to me because what

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you saying makes a lot of sense
because as I was listening to

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Euphoria Part 3, the latest one,
it it felt like a out of body

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experience.
Like is that me?

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I had to ask myself like, did I
do that?

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Yes, yeah.
You know, I'm listening to it as

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a fan, thinking, wow, that's
pretty good.

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And I didn't even know that it
wasn't me 'cause after I

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listened to it a couple of
times, I was like, wow, I can't

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believe that I did it.
I still can't believe it.

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What made me start thinking in
this direction, Lemoyne, is when

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Chris asked me if I would
consider re recording some of

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our old music that now, like he
said, we wrote 30 years ago some

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of it.
So I'm listening to these solos

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and I'm like, am I I'm number
one.

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I'm not even that same person
anymore, right?

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I was 22 years old when I
recorded that, or 21 and then

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my.
Question.

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Is, but then my next question
is, am I capable of doing it as

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the person I am today?
Just what you just said, Am I

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even that same person?
Like I had to sit down and

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relearn it step by step as like
I'm the student now of my own

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music.
It's crazy.

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The challenge with that has
always been like, for instance,

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what you're saying when, when I
was with State of Grace, we

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created a lot of beautiful music
together as a, as a band.

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And I asked my same as myself,
the same question you just asked

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me like, wow, can I perform
these songs later on in my life?

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Will I still have the same vibe
and energy about it?

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And for me personally, I have a
few, maybe two or three out of

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the three albums that we did
that I really enjoyed that I

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probably would add into my
setlist.

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But no, I couldn't I couldn't
touch any of those songs again.

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And I for personal reasons
because you know, it wouldn't

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feel the same singing them and
not being able to look at my

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guys on the behind me and you
know, it just doesn't feel the

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same.
So when I do my new songs, it's

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just a whole new lane where it's
just my lane and I can enjoy

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myself and.
Don't have to, and I totally

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understand what you're saying
because if the guy to the left

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of me here wasn't singing
Freeman or listen to Your sin, I

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that guy's an imposter now,
right?

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Those.
Those songs are so ingrained

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into my DNA and who I am.
If Chris isn't singing them,

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they're never going to be played
again unless they're recorded,

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right?
So that's why it's important to

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get them down.
Yeah, you guys should record the

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songs, trust me.
Oh, we're going to, we're, we're

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working on it.
We need you to, we need you to

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come and do some drums just
because Michael, Michael,

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explain it.
Michael, explain it.

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Mike's got the guitar.
I got the vocals.

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We got Rick William, Richard
Carr, the 4th that does the

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bass.
We need somebody to fill in the

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gap that Scott left when he
decided to, you know.

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Whatever you guys need from me,
I'm there, you tell.

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Me.
When you hear these, when you

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hear these beats, it'll make
sense because he was a very

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unique drummer.
You know he would be like a Phil

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Rudd from ACDC kind.
Of flew by the seat for real?

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Yeah.
Oh yeah.

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Yeah, Freeman the the yeah, the
intro song to the show that's

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that's us as a band so that.
Drugs.

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Wow, I didn't know.
That's probably.

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Yeah.
I really like that song.

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Yeah, yeah.
So, yeah.

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So that's that's that's us.
Yeah.

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That's a song called Freeman.
That's, you know, we wrote a

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long time ago, but it's
lyrically it's still relevant,

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man.
Like if you if I could grab the

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lyrics readily available and
read them, you'd be like fuck,

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that's totally relevant.
Listen to your sins.

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Totally relevant.
Just because how I.

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Wrote Yeah, it was.
I didn't intend to be a timeless

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writer, but it just because of
how the world is and

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everything's so cyclical, it's
just irrelevant, which is cool.

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What's the what's the name of
the song you said listen to your

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sins.
That that, that that song, that

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song is called Freeman.
And if you if you go watch one

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of our episodes and go to the
very end, you hear the song,

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listen to your sin at the end.
So we bookend, we book in each

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episode with two of our original
songs.

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Oh.
Nice.

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That's really nice.
I'm hey, listen, I'm in.

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All you got to do is call me.
I'm in.

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Right on.
Well, you listen to both of

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those songs after this episode
comes out, and all you got to do

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is recreate those drum tracks,
and you're part of our new

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legacy.
There you go.

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Nemesis Nemesis 2 point O is
what we're going to call it.

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OK, cool.
I'm in.

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I'm in all the way.
We were.

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We would appreciate it,
especially coming from somebody

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who knows how to make drums
sound like somebody played them.

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Oh yeah, That was that was us,
brother, right?

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I'm looking back in.
That was on the world famous

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Mason jar stage where Tool,
Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Pat Travers,

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everybody you can imagine got
their start.

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Oh, that's nice.
Yeah, sacred, right?

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That would have been circa 1996,
probably 7.

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I'm trying to figure out what I
was doing in 96.

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Probably a girl.
Oh, I was producing, making rap,

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hip hop and rap like in when you
guys.

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Chris has a girl.
OK, I got all right.

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You ready?
This is Freeman Lemoyne.

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Here's everybody.
Everybody listen to me.

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I'm going to tell you how it's
supposed to be, and that's

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enough.
No, this is Freeman.

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Is that what Freeman starts with
Mike?

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Yeah.
OK.

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You just have a very angry
voice.

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You're saying I do very nicely
and it's not.

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It's like.
Every I was like, because it

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doesn't feel right.
It's like everybody do.

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No, no, no, no, no, no.
Listen to me.

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I'm going to tell you how it's
supposed to be.

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I'm going to be a freeman.
I'm going to fight until the

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end.
I'm going to find the answers

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here.
I'm going to make it all quite

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clear.
In this world today, we all get

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betrayed.
Like a brother of mine, He's got

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a brainless mind.
I'm going to choose the road I

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take.
I'm going to choose the road to

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escape.
I'm going to fly with the

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heavens above.
I'm going to be the chosen one.

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People tell me how to live my
life and preachers tell me about

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the afterlife.
I'm going to make it if I can.

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I'm going to beat down the man.
I'm going to fly with the eagles

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above.
I'm going to be with the

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Lonesome Dove.
I'm going to ask the questions

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here why every motherfucker got
to disappear.

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I said yeah, that's yeah part.
Listen, children, to my mind, I

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am a victim of senseless crime.
I'm going to tell you about the

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afterlife.
I'm going to tell you about what

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happened last night.
I'm going to tell you about my

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insanity.
And then it ends in your face.

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Rock'n'roll.
Just you know, and then see if I

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dated this or not.
But there's some very profound

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statements within that.
Set of April, April 1996.

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I like the lyrics.
The lyrics are nice.

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Do you have the lyrics to listen
to your sin there?

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Thumbs up, guy.
I believe so.

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Hold on.
So listen to your sin is written

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from a third person perspective
that I didn't know.

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I thought that Chris had some
serious trips under his belt,

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right.
Mushrooms, acid.

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It's written in the third person
from somebody meaning himself

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who has never done it,
describing it exactly to my

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experience, what I had being a
person who's done it several

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times right, right.
I didn't know that till we

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started this podcast and him and
I started talking about his our

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lyrics that became our songs and
he's like no man, I've I've

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never done it in my life.
I just, you know, went to a

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space in my head and I wrote it
from a third person perspective.

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You wrote the lyrics.
Chris did.

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Oh, Chris did OK.
He's never had that experience,

455
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,240
but if you've been a person,
I've never.

456
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,520
Tripped on acid do but I wrote a
song that when Mike heard it it

457
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,800
legit it makes it equates to
tripping on acid.

458
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:15,320
I know I'm going.
I want to hear it.

459
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,080
So that's the song that you're
going to hear at the end of the

460
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,920
podcast.
OK, We put Freeman at the

461
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,040
beginning, which he just read
you the lyrics, and I put Listen

462
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,760
to Your Sin at the end of the
podcast.

463
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,400
Those were two of my favorite
songs to play live because you

464
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,400
could see people really thinking
about what he was saying at the

465
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,000
time.
OK.

466
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,880
Another one of my favorites that
I would like to recreate is a

467
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,040
song called Vision.
He literally saw his own death

468
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,920
at 30 years old.
Really.

469
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,880
Then ended up yeah, then ended
up having a heart attack in real

470
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,920
life at the same age.
True that.

471
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,040
How crazy is that?
And he told me about this when

472
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,920
we wrote the song.
He's like, it's a vision that

473
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,320
I'm having of my death on my
30th birthday.

474
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,320
And it got to the point where it
was so creepy the morning I was

475
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,520
like, you got to stop telling me
that fucking story because it's

476
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,600
so here's either seriousness in
his eyes.

477
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,200
So, so here's I can't find
listen to your scene yet, but

478
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,840
here's vision.
I had a dream the other night.

479
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,520
It took me on a weary flight.
It took me down into my soul.

480
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,160
And show me the place where I'll
go.

481
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,680
Took a journey.
I found you there.

482
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,880
I saw my equal in my stare.
I got to find the reason why.

483
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,480
I got a vision.
I got a vision.

484
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,480
Yeah.
I got a vision control in me.

485
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:29,720
I got a vision.
I got a vision.

486
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,160
Yeah.
I got a vision of agony. 3

487
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,760
stages of my life.
First one.

488
00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:40,720
First was when two cars collide.
Second one under the sun in a

489
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:47,160
pool of water on the chosen 1/3.
Time was dying time on that

490
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:52,000
tablet on that line because
everyone is under the sun.

491
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,800
They're going to dig that.
I'm the only one.

492
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,360
The reason why I got to find the
reason why I got a vision.

493
00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:59,320
Yeah, I got a vision.
Yeah, I got a vision control in

494
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:00,760
me.
I got a vision.

495
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,120
Yeah, I got a vision.
Yeah, I got a vision.

496
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,640
I got a vision.
I got a vision control in me.

497
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,920
I stepped outside and thank you.
I stepped outside and signed my

498
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,320
mind.
I saw the echoes of my crimes

499
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,320
because the iron dog is on the
way.

500
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,560
I got to find the reason why to
stay.

501
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,360
So all of those were it was it
was the whole back story.

502
00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:25,360
Like Mike said, as I, I started
having these dreams and I was

503
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:26,720
really into lucid dreaming at
the time.

504
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,520
So I started learning how to
control my dreams.

505
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,960
So the first part, I saw these
two cars collide.

506
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,160
So when I first had that dream,
you wake up freaking oh shit.

507
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,560
And then I then instead of
freaking out, I kind of looked

508
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,560
back into the cars and I was
hunched over.

509
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,800
One of the string was dead.
So then freaked out, you know,

510
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,640
Then I would tell myself dream
again, dream again.

511
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,600
So this is actually a true story
then it.

512
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,640
Was yeah, it was a whole dream
sequence.

513
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,480
So I saw the vehicles crash and
then the next the next thing

514
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,640
when I got past that in the
dream, the next level of the

515
00:25:55,640 --> 00:26:00,600
dream was like I turned and I
was in AI was sitting at the

516
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,800
edge of a swimming pool.
All it was was a giant pool,

517
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,680
like a giant massive pool and
field all around.

518
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,440
So I walked up to the pool, took
the step on the first step

519
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,400
looked into the water.
There was a body.

520
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,200
I reached and rolled over.
It was me bloated.

521
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,640
I'm like, oh fuck, woke up
right.

522
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,800
So went through the went through
the phases of the dream again,

523
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,160
got to the body, rolled it over.
Instead of freaking out, I

524
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,360
pulled it to the to the step.
And then when I turned, I was in

525
00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:28,040
another spot.
That spot I was in like a all I

526
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,360
can equate it to is like New
York or or Chicago, where you

527
00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:32,800
have the tree, the street lines
with newspaper.

528
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,320
Remember newspaper stands.
Yeah, I remember them.

529
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,720
So just just a whole street row
of them and I'm walking by them

530
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,960
and every one of them said
3/4/2000, which was my 30th

531
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,320
birthday.
So that's where it equated me.

532
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,280
OK, so then I went and did tarot
card reading, which Nick you

533
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,320
fucking hated because she's all
against that shit.

534
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,160
And when I asked the question in
your head, if you've done cover

535
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,040
cards, you don't ask them the
question to think of the

536
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,760
question why they're shuffling.
So my question was was going to

537
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,240
when I was was I going to die
when I was 31st?

538
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,160
Fucking card laid down was the
Reaper.

539
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,920
Boom, I'm like oh.
Fuck.

540
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,800
And then the guy's reading them.
He's like, what'd you ask?

541
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,400
And I was like, I don't want to
tell you, man.

542
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,280
He's like, well, when I'm seeing
is there's a life change or

543
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,480
something's going to happen
that's going to, you know, just

544
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:22,320
see be like, not not
devastating, but something's

545
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,440
going to happen when you turn
30, that's going to completely

546
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,400
change the directory of your, of
the trajectory of your life.

547
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,440
And I'm like, OK, well, I asked
if I was going to be dead when I

548
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,200
was 30.
He's like some level you're

549
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,200
going to be in shit.
You not Memorial Day weekend in

550
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:39,280
my 30th year, I had, I had like
crazy heart palpitations, ended

551
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,440
up being an A-fib with rapid
ventricular late.

552
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,760
But I basically they put this
drug in me called Cardizem,

553
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,720
which is supposed to reignite
your normal, your normal

554
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,360
arrhythmia.
And they only put half of it in.

555
00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:53,960
And I started having a reaction.
So next morning he's like, if I

556
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,400
would have pushed all that, you
wouldn't be here.

557
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,160
We'd be in the basement not
having a conversation.

558
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,280
I'm like, oh, so there you go.
How crazy is that?

559
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,560
And the reason why I'm having a
hard time finding Listen to Your

560
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,440
Sin is these are all my lyrics.
There's tons and tons of lyrics

561
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,640
man.
Yeah, I think I told you the

562
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,240
first time you're on here.
The reason that he got the job

563
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:16,040
was we literally met at a candle
box concert, so I knew he could

564
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,040
sing because he was singing with
the band while they were playing

565
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,080
and the power went out for about
15 minutes during that.

566
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,840
There's one of our set list.
Yeah, see.

567
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,280
So the power went out for like
15 minutes and the moment the

568
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,720
power went out, their singer
obviously got distracted and

569
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,880
quit singing.
But my new singer kept singing

570
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:41,960
acapella behind me, so I I
already knew the guy could sing.

571
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,160
So I told my drummer at the time
we needed a singer.

572
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,200
I said I already know the guy
can sing.

573
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,960
This was in the early 90s where,
you know, there was no Internet,

574
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,480
so we met at a bar.
You didn't want somebody to come

575
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,040
to your practice space and see
$10,000 worth of equipment that

576
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,680
you couldn't replace because we
were poor back then, right?

577
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:06,400
Yeah, I remember someday.
Still poor, but anyway.

578
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,920
As long as you got music man,
you rich man, always.

579
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:15,040
He showed up to his first
practice with the same basically

580
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,000
suitcase full of lyrics that
he's added to, you know, many

581
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,000
times over throughout the years.
But he already probably had 100

582
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,080
songs written, maybe 130.
Wow, that's.

583
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,520
A lot of songs, at least half of
them or what he would consider

584
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,920
ready to be turned into music.
You know, a lot of it was poetry

585
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,480
and spoken word kind of stuff,
but he would take certain

586
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,560
sections of those things just
like he said to you, and he

587
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,080
would turn him into a song at
the snap of a finger.

588
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,400
Found him.
Listen to your sin.

589
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,240
Yeah, these are great lyrics.
Man, the original, the original

590
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,560
lyrics, handwritten everything.
That's how old.

591
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,400
That's how old school.
I'm a hoarder, Lemoyne.

592
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,160
I got a dream for the common
man.

593
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,280
He got to fight until the end.
I got a feeling.

594
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,600
And it's quite clear.
If you're going to fly and

595
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,480
disappear, drop the tablet.
Go insane.

596
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,320
Feel the juice flow through your
veins.

597
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,680
On your journey, take a slow.
Choose the place where you will

598
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,360
go.
Take a trip behind your eyes.

599
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,680
Feel the sorrow beneath your
cries.

600
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,240
Take a moment.
Listen to your sin.

601
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,720
Fight the battle that you must
win.

602
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,760
Fight the battle.
Fight the battle that you must

603
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,840
win.
Oh listen baby, to your sin now

604
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,600
your journey has come to an end.
You haven't found solace to your

605
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,400
sin.
You keep on fighting and waiting

606
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,680
for the day when you close your
eyes and it stays away.

607
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,440
I ain't no preacher.
I ain't no praying man.

608
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,280
You turned your back on the
Almighty's hand.

609
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:45,480
You got a dream in your life.
You soar and hiring every night.

610
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,680
Something like that.
Take the trip behind your eyes.

611
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,640
Feel the sorrow revolutionize.
Take the moment.

612
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,800
Listen to your sin.
Fight the battle that you must

613
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,800
win.
Fight the battle, fight the

614
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,960
battle that you must win.
And before we would do the song,

615
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:03,960
I would introduce it as tomorrow
doesn't understand yesterday

616
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,360
will never be again.
So take a moment and listen to

617
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,480
your sin.
And the mic would start and I'd

618
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,960
turn around.
Because there was about AI don't

619
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,040
know 12, there was probably a 12
bar intro to the song.

620
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,320
So he had plenty of time to make
that happen.

621
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,120
And then it was.
Just so cool.

622
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,880
Very good man.
Thank you, thank you, thank you,

623
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,920
thank you.
It definitely describes the

624
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,160
experience.
Write me.

625
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,240
I usually write all of my songs,
but yeah.

626
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,800
We'll make your songs.
Thanks man, maybe you guys can

627
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,600
write something for me.
OK.

628
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,440
I would love to.
I would love to contribute

629
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,800
guitar tracks for sure.
That's.

630
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,120
Most definitely.
That's my fortune.

631
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,440
That's my fortune.
I'm going to start on the next

632
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,720
album in in three or four more
months.

633
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,760
Here's where I'll make you a
deal.

634
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,560
If you come up with a rhythm
track that you would like to

635
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,840
hear a different take on a solo,
you send me a WAV file and I'll

636
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,520
throw it into Studio 1 and I'll
put my version on and I'll send

637
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,640
it back to you and you can
decide if you like it or not.

638
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,560
I've done that for a couple
other people too, so.

639
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,160
You got a deal, I will do that.
Yeah, yeah.

640
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,080
If you ever come up with a
rhythm track and you're like,

641
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,040
hey, I'd like another idea of,
you know, what a solo would

642
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,000
sound like on it, just tell me
what, tell me what you're

643
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,280
looking for and I'll put my spin
on it for sure.

644
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,440
Yeah, and from lyric lyrical
standpoint, if MM would come up

645
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,560
with a riff and then I would, I
would just when I start hearing

646
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,520
the music, then I just start
writing.

647
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,680
So that's, that's the muse for
me is, is the music possesses

648
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:42,640
me.
Then all of a sudden here's a

649
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,680
song.
I mean, listen, you're saying 10

650
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,320
minutes maybe it took me to
write that.

651
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,960
I mean, it wasn't nothing.
I, I big believer when you write

652
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,440
songs, you can't force it,
right?

653
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,040
It just has to flow it.
Has to flow.

654
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,760
Right.
So if if I'm if something comes

655
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,000
to my head and I write like 3
verses and that and it just

656
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,000
stops, I walk away from it.
I'm not.

657
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,280
I'm not.
Going to force something you.

658
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,240
Know what I mean?
Yeah, that is the way.

659
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,680
You're the same way you're,
yeah.

660
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,840
Yeah, but my message is almost
the same way, I guess you could

661
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,040
say, like when I get into a
zone, when I'm writing a song,

662
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,080
it's all I have to fill the
track first.

663
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,560
The track is what gets me every
time.

664
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:29,440
So if I'm listening to a track
and I I don't, I've never done

665
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,800
this.
So, you know, I'm telling you

666
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,040
the truth.
I've never had, like, most

667
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,320
writers, they have like books of
lyrics and stuff.

668
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,640
I've never did that.
I go into the studio, which is

669
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,200
mine, or a different studio, and
I have to hear the track and

670
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,320
I'll listen to it, listen to it.
And then I'll say, OK, let me go

671
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,120
in there.
And I go in there and I actually

672
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,120
sing the melody.
And then I put the words with

673
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,000
the melody.
And then I'll do like, you know,

674
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,040
a straight pass.
And then I'll come back and fill

675
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,480
in the words.
All in one tape, all, you know,

676
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,720
all in that one day.
So I don't leave the studio to

677
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,800
come back.
Oh, I got another part.

678
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,920
No, I get it all done that
night.

679
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,600
You got to.
You got to because that's when

680
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,880
the muse is talking to you.
That's when the energy.

681
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,480
'S there, right?
That's the only way I could

682
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,040
work.
Yeah, yeah.

683
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,120
And then I'll go back into the
studio like what the fuck did I

684
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,000
recorder?
What is this?

685
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:26,600
And then?
Right.

686
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,639
But see, imagine how like, say,
put yourself in Prince's shoes

687
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:31,080
or Eddie Van Eddie's shoes,
right?

688
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:35,080
And all the stuff that they have
recorded and even Ozzy that

689
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,880
nobody's ever heard because they
did exactly what you did.

690
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,679
They went in like, I have an
idea.

691
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,560
I got to lay this down before I
miss it because nine times out

692
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,800
of 10 in my entire since I've
been writing, because I started

693
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,520
writing when I was in high
school, an English teacher kind

694
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,639
of pulled that out of me and
like, oh shit, I can do this.

695
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:51,920
Like this is a gift.
I need to.

696
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,520
So that's all my stuff is
written in a poetry ballad

697
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,400
format because that's how she
taught me to write.

698
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,920
So that's why all my lyrics can
fit to so many different things.

699
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:01,920
But.
Right.

700
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,320
When you have that, when you're
in that moment and you and you

701
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,080
have that, the voice in your
head, you have to go with it

702
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,080
because otherwise it's not going
to be there tomorrow.

703
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,000
You know what I'm saying?
You're not going to have that

704
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,200
same.
And that's, that's, that's for

705
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,520
real with songwriters.
That's how right?

706
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,520
There's an interesting fact here
for me.

707
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,720
Couple of things happen.
I came up with a song.

708
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,960
Well, you did just just the
because you just said it like

709
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:29,840
one day.
I was.

710
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,680
I was, I was.
I'll never forget.

711
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,160
This happened when I was in
Texas.

712
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,840
And I did, I had did the track.
The song was done.

713
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,480
Yeah.
And I'm not the kind of guy who

714
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,760
was trying to rush it and try to
create.

715
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,720
No, I just left, did the track
and left it up.

716
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,920
And then I went to bed.
Yeah.

717
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,120
I think I went to bed around
about 11 that night and about

718
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,240
2:30 in the morning the lyrics
came to my head.

719
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:04,600
So I I was so sleepy.
I took my phone and I went some

720
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,080
shit.
I don't know what it was, but I

721
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,480
said it into my phone because I
know how I am.

722
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,320
If I wake up in the walk, I'm
I'm not going to remember.

723
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,560
So whatever I said in the phone.
Sucks.

724
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,520
Yeah, I, I, I won't remember
because it, it would be the last

725
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:25,440
thing on my mind.
So when I got up that morning, I

726
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,800
said, what the hell did I
record?

727
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:32,400
So I hit the button and it was.
But I could hear the idea of

728
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:37,840
what I was doing even through
all that muttering, Garbled.

729
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:43,040
But I was like, oh, I got it.
And I ran into the studio and I

730
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,880
turned the mic on and I listened
to it and I recreated it and

731
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,520
reproduced it into my mind and
put it on the mic.

732
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:55,000
And yeah, the rest is history.
I had a full song with about two

733
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,880
or three hours.
That was the next question I was

734
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,880
going to ask you and you kind of
just answered it.

735
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,720
I know Chris knows.
We we just talked about it.

736
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:05,760
How many times have you not been
able to record something and

737
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,720
I've become mature enough as a
musician to laugh at it and ask

738
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:13,400
myself this question?
What are the chances I'm going

739
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,400
to remember this kick ass idea
tomorrow?

740
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,360
Zero.
Yeah.

741
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,160
Have you?
Answered your question.

742
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:23,360
Nowadays you just recorded into
your iPhone, but I'm talking

743
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,440
about like back in the day.
I was just getting ready.

744
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,360
To say have those, Oh my God
dude.

745
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:32,920
Oh man, the ideas.
Brilliant.

746
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,920
Songs.
Oh yeah, I was in crazy places

747
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:43,320
at the most like unbelievable
situations.

748
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,120
And I had to stop and run in a I
went.

749
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,280
I never forget.
I ran into I was, I was out.

750
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,200
I ran into the bathroom or some
restaurant and I wrote

751
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,960
everything on a piece of tissue
before cell phones.

752
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,520
You remember that?
You write that.

753
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,600
I wrote it down and I kept the
melody in my head so much that I

754
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,200
couldn't pay attention to what
everybody else was doing and

755
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,840
what's wrong with you?
And I'm like, I got the song in

756
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,280
my head and I hurried back, went
back to the studio and I cut it.

757
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,400
I can't lose it because there
was no cell phone or nothing

758
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:16,760
yet.
See you just.

759
00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:19,960
Write shit and you use.
Yes, so you know what I'm

760
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,800
talking.
About everything, yeah.

761
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,720
Oh yeah.
Oh my God, plenty of times.

762
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:32,360
Toilet paper and everything.
Ripped, ripped pages, fucking

763
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,560
stains of food and crap.
You know, like probably eating a

764
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,280
Taco.
That's a great idea.

765
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,880
See, and that was the sad part
about being a guitar player is

766
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,760
if you didn't have a cassette
player that you could record

767
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,520
handy next to you, you were just
jamming.

768
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,360
And you're like, I got to either
remember that I either have to

769
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,240
play it enough to where I can't
forget it or it's going to be

770
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:54,240
lost.
Because there were a lot of

771
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:57,200
years I didn't have access to be
able to record things.

772
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,600
And then unfortunately, I lost a
bunch of years of my recordings

773
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,960
because when I moved back here,
Long story short, a bunch of my

774
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,320
stuff got left behind.
So I had to start over.

775
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:13,120
All I had left was, you know, a
few things that Chris had and

776
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,280
whatever was left in my head.
Luckily, a lot of those songs we

777
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,600
played so many times, you're
never going to forget them.

778
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,400
Yeah.
Well, then that we had, that we

779
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,880
had back in the day we lost
Lemoyne.

780
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,880
Oh, oh, I think he hit the wrong
button.

781
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,720
Oh, there you.
Go and back and back in the day,

782
00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:31,520
I actually, there was this, No,
you're good.

783
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,720
So, so back in there, I actually
bought a camcorder from this

784
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:37,120
place called Service Merchandise
because you could lay away it.

785
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,080
And I used to bring that to
practice and set it up in the

786
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,240
corner and we would record our
practice for the sole purpose of

787
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:45,560
being able to capture what we
are just rehearsing.

788
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,200
Because you can as a musician,
you know so much stuff is

789
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:55,000
created by improving.
Oh yeah, and we were lucky to

790
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,280
have the camcorder for sure.
That was like way of.

791
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:03,040
I don't remember I I did this
when I was.

792
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:12,280
Breaking into the industry as a
rap producer and my kids mom was

793
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:13,600
like, you know what you need to
do?

794
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,880
You need to like because there
was no, there was no way to

795
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,000
remember anything.
So she volunteered me to get a,

796
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,160
a camcorder and I was like, you
know what, you're right.

797
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,280
So I went and bought a camcorder
and that's they are the most

798
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,560
hardened things to work with
because you got to plug it up.

799
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,880
Then you got to buy all the
little cassettes and tapes.

800
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,120
You know, you got to tell me why
the.

801
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,160
TV.
Won't erase nothing.

802
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,920
So I used to go to New York a
lot and I did a lot of big

803
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:50,320
records back then when I was
producing rap and hip hop and I

804
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,160
would run, we would have the
tape machine run it, you know,

805
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,040
because there's no like, oh,
erase and go back and none of

806
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,160
that like you do with cell
phones or, you know, you, you,

807
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,280
that's a one take period.
So, you know, and, and I ran

808
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:10,320
through a lot of my sessions on
the camcorder and then, you

809
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,760
know, I, I do all of that for,
for like the whole trip and then

810
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,840
come back home and I got to look
at it on the tape.

811
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,680
There's no way to transfer it.
You got to go someplace to

812
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,040
transfer it.
It was just a big mess to do all

813
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,880
of that.
You know, it was like, but I

814
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,240
still got the amazing because I
still got 2 sets of all of that

815
00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:34,120
stuff and one day I'm going to
transfer all that to see all

816
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,880
that stuff that I did back in
the day though.

817
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,200
Yep.
Yep.

818
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,800
And you had to take the cords
and plug them into the VCR.

819
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,080
And then hit yeah.
Record the VCR right?

820
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,640
So then the VCR would record
everything on the tape while

821
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,760
you're watching on the TVI?
Remember, before every show you

822
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,120
would have to give somebody like
a 15 minute tutorial on how to

823
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,160
run the camcorder because you're
and Chris kept saying and I need

824
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,040
you to pay attention because you
don't understand.

825
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,400
You hit one wrong button and
you're going to screw it up and

826
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,400
then I can't see it and I'm
going to be pissed, right?

827
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:05,360
And that would happen a couple
times.

828
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,200
And that's happened multiple
because I didn't go back and

829
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,520
look at it.
I'd hit the record button and

830
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,560
erase have little sections be
like what is this?

831
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,880
You.
Know old days, man, old days,

832
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,080
good old days.
I'm going to tell you something.

833
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,200
You know, people, we got to
think technology, I know it may

834
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,800
be.
Yeah, there's there's something

835
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,200
good about it and there's
something bad about it.

836
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,480
Sure.
Like when I look at things the

837
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,960
way that it is today, I love it
that we are.

838
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:42,520
We're more accessible to things
that we did back 20-30 years ago

839
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,240
then we are today, like today.
Especially to be in touch with

840
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:49,440
your fans at the level that you
are right.

841
00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:52,760
Exactly, exactly.
There's no way I could have been

842
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,400
able to do what I'm when you
were with a band back then.

843
00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:00,080
When you were a big time
producer in the 90s, if you,

844
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,000
Chris and I, as 2 normal human
beings or even AS2 musicians

845
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,880
wanted to talk to you for an
hour or so, that would have been

846
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,720
impossible.
Those kind of things didn't

847
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:13,200
happen because you would have
been inaccessible to somebody at

848
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,320
our level and we wouldn't have
been running in the same circles

849
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,920
anyway.
But now we're talking to you

850
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,120
about the level of success you
achieved in the 90s and now the

851
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,440
new career that you've developed
in the Internet age as a rock

852
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,000
guitarist and a producer and a
songwriter in your own right in

853
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,960
that world.
It's just I agree with you.

854
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,880
I think technology, you have to
look at the positive, especially

855
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,440
for artists.
Yeah.

856
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:48,600
Now the downside to it is for
me, it's how do I explain this?

857
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:54,360
It's, it's less creative.
You can't do all the things

858
00:43:54,480 --> 00:44:00,360
that's more, you know, organic
because Yep, it's, it's so crazy

859
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,240
the way the music business is,
the way the to actually be

860
00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:08,240
involved because you can
actually make a song on your

861
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:11,280
phone now.
You couldn't do that in the 90s,

862
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,120
right?
I mean, you can make songs so

863
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,200
easy that, you know, it, it,
it's like, where's the talent

864
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:20,680
now?
Back then, Yeah.

865
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,320
Exactly.
There's no way you.

866
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:27,720
Had to have talent and a lot of
people just coming up with even

867
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,600
even with the whole, the whole I
just heard of of this new

868
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,080
software, this AI software.
Software, yeah.

869
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:40,520
Literally making songs for you
now. 30,000 songs a day are

870
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,880
being uploaded to Spotify that
are AI.

871
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,360
We just did.
We just released a clip a week

872
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,480
ago about that.
How crazy.

873
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,000
That man.
And that's ridiculous bullsh.

874
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:57,280
It's it's so chaotic that how
the hell a a a real true

875
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:02,760
musician and artist should never
have to go to AI because you

876
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,520
can't appreciate the music,
especially live in concert.

877
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,880
It's almost impossible because
we learned.

878
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:15,280
If you can't right see.
As I was growing up, I was

879
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:20,240
taught how to play instruments,
you know, guitars, drums, bass,

880
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,640
everything and watching and
learning.

881
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:30,880
There was no AI, There was no
way of, of iPhones and Computer

882
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,760
Music.
And I, I didn't do any of that.

883
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,360
I didn't learn how to do none of
that stuff.

884
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:41,280
You know, as, as time has
progressed as it did into where

885
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,920
we are today.
That's like the going thing now.

886
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,880
And Lemoyne, I always say when
we were learning to play, there

887
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,520
were two paths of travel.
You either sucked or you didn't

888
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,600
suck, right, Right.
There was no polishing it up.

889
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,760
There was no.
I don't know how it's.

890
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:04,880
Balloons, man, I know.
That's why.

891
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,960
That's why on my next album, I'm
going straight to tape.

892
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,560
I'm not even doing digital.
I'm going straight to tape.

893
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,360
That's good.
Yeah, Awesome.

894
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,840
Tape machine.
All the way.

895
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We made a conscious effort to in

896
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:23,800
Nemesis that anything we did at
practice or in the studio, it

897
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,560
had to be able to be replicated
live.

898
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,520
Like we weren't going to do
anything that we couldn't pull

899
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,160
off standing in front of a crowd
of people.

900
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,320
None of the backtrack bullshit,
you know what I mean?

901
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,000
It's like you had to be able to
pull that shit off live or we're

902
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,960
we're going to record it any
other way because in your.

903
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,920
The only studio, the only studio
magic we took advantage of is

904
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,720
the same one anybody would.
We put a rhythm guitar track

905
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:47,920
underneath the solo and Chris
would do background vocals.

906
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,480
Right, right, right.
Yes, I mean it's it's not it it

907
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:58,280
that's why I say how is it that
these AI musicians that how you

908
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,640
going to perform all of these
even though the songs you get to

909
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:06,160
me, can you and I'm going to ask
you as real musicians, can you

910
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:12,120
tell the difference between an
AI musician or real organic

911
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:19,000
musician in their music can.
If I if you gave me an AB

912
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,560
example, I think I can.
The ones the ones I've seen,

913
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:25,880
I've seen the videos because
every now and then you'll see it

914
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,880
on Instagram and shit, you'll
have somebody that's a video and

915
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,520
I can tell that's AI because the
way the mouth because again,

916
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,160
singers look at singers, right?
I look at I listen to lyrics, I

917
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,840
look at how the words are sung
and formulated the melody.

918
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,960
So when I, I saw one not too
long ago, maybe within the last

919
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,240
week that it, it, it caught my
attention because the, the, the

920
00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:46,800
background was cool.
I'm like, oh, what's this?

921
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,800
And so I, I turned the volume up
and I listened to it and it was

922
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,280
clearly AI at the end of the
day.

923
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,280
It wasn't an actual full blown
thing.

924
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,440
And then I wrote, when I read
the paragraph below it, it

925
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,560
clearly set it up.
Creates your own music in your

926
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,760
own video using the software.
I'm like mother fucker.

927
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,160
So from an audio standpoint, if
from an audio standpoint, I

928
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:10,360
don't, I don't because because
music is so oh, what's the word

929
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,760
overproduced, right?
It's everything is auto tuned

930
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,440
and all that kind of shit.
But that's why I'm saying if you

931
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,680
AB it.
So if you give me insecurity or

932
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:25,680
claustrophobia and then you give
me AAI created song without a

933
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,600
video or anything, I'm almost
confident I could tell that

934
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,640
Lemoyne recorded that in a
studio and some Dick had made it

935
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,920
on AI.
I'm pretty confident I could

936
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,600
tell the difference.
Yeah, because I still be, still

937
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,240
be, still be.
Subtle nuances, right.

938
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:40,480
You're going to.
Even though he stacks all his

939
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,520
background vocals, he pushes his
voice to the front enough, which

940
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,040
a good engineer and producer is
going to do.

941
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,280
To know that that's a real
person and that there's enough

942
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:56,760
human element in your vocals
where you don't get that in

943
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,640
those AI created songs.
Like Chris said, they're almost

944
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:00,960
too perfect.
Right.

945
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:01,880
Yeah.
What's this?

946
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,920
What's this about, man?
Chicago's alternative rock

947
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,160
president.
Oh, that was something the

948
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,480
record company was working on
during the during the highlight

949
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,360
of all of the the things that
was going on in the summer last

950
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:16,680
year.
Right on.

951
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:19,920
I don't know how they came up
with that, but that was

952
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,200
brilliant though you were.
Kind of nice.

953
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:24,640
Yeah, Yeah.
See, that's the power of

954
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,480
Facebook, man.
I can I can deep dive into your

955
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:32,400
music career.
We're shooting a clip from my

956
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,000
documentary.
OK, when's that come out?

957
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,880
That's actually in 2026.
We're still working.

958
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,520
What's it called?
Trust no one.

959
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:46,640
No, it's called.
I don't know they got it.

960
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,480
They still working on a name for
it right now.

961
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,600
OK, OK, that's a cool picture
right there.

962
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,640
Oh yeah, that's one of my
favorite pictures, in fact.

963
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,200
See, I'm in the, I'm in the
yeah, I'm in the visuals, man.

964
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,640
I like, Oh yeah, absolutely.
I love, I love abstract art.

965
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,000
I love that kind of dark colors
and things like, me too.

966
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,600
I love black and white.
She's very happy.

967
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,520
Yeah, we were definitely all
about not going up there and

968
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,600
looking like your dad and your
brother decided to start a band

969
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:16,920
in the basement, you know,
right.

970
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,600
Who's this guy?
I don't know this is this is a

971
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,840
lot of stuff I don't even know.
I just see stuff and be like.

972
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,720
Yeah, yeah, there's there.
I like the, I like your this.

973
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:30,040
I like the logo of this, how you
did the colors and the and the

974
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,760
that's.
Yeah, I think that came up with

975
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,480
this idea.
I dig that a lot because I'm all

976
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,040
about.
I mean, I don't it's not

977
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,920
obviously geared towards.
And why didn't?

978
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,680
But I like the US, yeah.
Exactly.

979
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,320
Yeah, fucking a brother.
I love that.

980
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,200
It's the reoccurring theme too.
When you see that, you know it's

981
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:46,120
you.
Yep.

982
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:47,960
Yeah.
That's absolutely.

983
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,480
Branding so important.
Branding.

984
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,080
Absolutely, man.
Yep.

985
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:54,720
Oh, I thought I got to the end
almost.

986
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:58,840
I was like, oh, Lemoyne jamming.
And this is the Chicago 1, you

987
00:50:58,840 --> 00:50:59,640
said?
Or California.

988
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,480
California.
This is California, yeah.

989
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,400
That's awesome.
Oh my God, I had a great time.

990
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,600
See, that's you got to love it,
man.

991
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:18,320
Who's that?
That's Dame Cerini.

992
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:23,520
It's a guy that I did a he's a
jazz guitarist that I did his

993
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,840
his last two albums and he
turned out to be one of my best.

994
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:27,600
Friends.
Oh, right on, he.

995
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:33,120
He showed up at the at the the
Hall of Fame event too.

996
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,680
He was there.
Oh cool, a jazz guitarist.

997
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,560
Look at he signed.
He signed his name on one of the

998
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,080
guitars, too.
Yeah, well, yeah, this one's got

999
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,600
all kinds of signatures on it.
Yeah, mine's somewhere in there,

1000
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,400
I think.
Yeah, at the in the middle.

1001
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,080
OK, cool.
Yeah, right there.

1002
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:51,920
Yes.
Yeah.

1003
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,800
See how I pulled your name out
without even knowing it?

1004
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,960
See that?
We're here.

1005
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,760
We're sinking, Lemoyne.
That's right.

1006
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,760
See, I'd love, I'd sad.
Dude, you make me want to be on

1007
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,160
stage again.
You got to stop me too.

1008
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,880
Yeah, man, that was fun.
That was that was a brilliant

1009
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,120
night I had.
Well, I was surrounded by

1010
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,560
nothing but artists that I grew
up listening to and that that

1011
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:20,440
was a great film.
There was a cool one that had

1012
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,680
all your stuff on it, which I
thought was that was a great

1013
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,520
picture.
Anything else you want to touch

1014
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:33,080
on bud?
Well, we could talk about how I

1015
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,040
came up with claustrophobia,
which was OK.

1016
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,600
Yeah, absolutely.
Now here, here's what I want to

1017
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,400
tell you because I'm I'm a big
believer and don't tell the

1018
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,600
world what your songs are about
because you want people to have

1019
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,840
their own interpretation of it,
right.

1020
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,640
So that's just my opinion.
You want to you want to explain

1021
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,640
how everyone explain it?
I just I like to dangle that

1022
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:55,040
carrot to be like, hey, this is,
you know, you know what I mean?

1023
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,840
But that's just me.
But that's just me.

1024
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,600
Because you want people to
interpret their own music.

1025
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,080
Like it pisses me off when when
like, OK, prime example and then

1026
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,800
you can tell your story.
Dave Draymond from disturbed,

1027
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,040
the song a sickness and the
whole part in there that that on

1028
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,600
the on not the radio version,
but the the studio version, how

1029
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,000
he's he's fighting with his mom
and she's beating him and shit.

1030
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,560
It was all made-up.
That was all made-up.

1031
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:18,760
I'm like you mother fuckers
real.

1032
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,760
No, no, it was all fucking
made-up man.

1033
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,600
And it pissed me off.
Like dude what the fuck you

1034
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,680
don't tell people the true
meaning behind your shit.

1035
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,000
Like like legit like Mike said
earlier he thought I tripped

1036
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,720
with acid and mushrooms man, not
a day in my life.

1037
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:37,880
That that takes away from the
field of the song because there

1038
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,000
are people in this world who
actually going through that.

1039
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,160
Yes, yes.
And they want to be able to

1040
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,520
identify with that.
He actually swayed me to this

1041
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,640
side of thinking.
I didn't used to think like

1042
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,240
this, but the more I hear him
tell these stories, I agree with

1043
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:55,640
him wholeheartedly now.
Because there's certain songs

1044
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,240
that mean things to me that I
don't want to know that it means

1045
00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:01,800
something differently to the
artist, right?

1046
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,440
Well, isn't that the point of
music is I interpret your music

1047
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,960
however it comes to me.
Exactly.

1048
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,720
And and you're right.
So what I would share with you

1049
00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:14,360
guys, OK, probably be the only
time.

1050
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,080
It's like, I wasn't going to say
any of this.

1051
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,440
Shit, I know, but that's but
that's I just I just I just

1052
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,480
don't, I just don't like it when
you take away.

1053
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,600
I agree.
The power, the power of music is

1054
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,720
the is the power of
interpretation, right?

1055
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:27,120
Yeah.
Part of everybody.

1056
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,440
Telling story and, and everybody
interpret everything different.

1057
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:30,320
So go ahead.
I'll get off.

1058
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:31,440
I'll go over here now.
Go ahead.

1059
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,200
So you heard the whole full
song, right?

1060
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:40,080
Absolutely, Several times.
And when you listen to the full

1061
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:44,040
song that you get the
understanding of the lyrics and

1062
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:48,000
and you understood it.
So I'll tell you my

1063
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,200
interpretation first hand was
the first time I heard it.

1064
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,520
Like the world is closing in on
me and I'm doing my best to

1065
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:59,760
maintain my place in the world
as that's happening around me,

1066
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,640
right?
For lack of better care.

1067
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:03,880
Yep.
Well, I'm in the same kind of

1068
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:05,800
boat with Mike.
Yeah, I like that was my

1069
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,440
interpretation too, for the most
part.

1070
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:13,640
OK, so the real story behind
that was true.

1071
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:26,680
I was in a place in my head in
2024 when I was in in my studio

1072
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:30,440
in Texas and I was all over the
place.

1073
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:34,520
There were things happening in
my life that surprised me, that

1074
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:37,440
upset me.
I was just really going through.

1075
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,120
The sad part about it was I was
doing it all by myself.

1076
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:47,960
But the good part about it was I
needed to be by myself so I

1077
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:53,040
could heal from all of
disastrous situations that came

1078
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:58,600
before that.
Now, as I was right as I was was

1079
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:06,160
going through my moment, excuse
me, my manager called me and was

1080
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:10,400
was he and I were talking on the
phone and I was not in in a

1081
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,800
good, good place.
I was very disappointed.

1082
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,920
I was upset.
And he was like, you know, the

1083
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,360
last thing I needed to hear was
him telling me, just write a

1084
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,280
song about it, write us talking
about it.

1085
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,160
I'm so angry at him for saying
it.

1086
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,600
Like, seriously, you want me to
write us?

1087
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,880
I'm going through.
I'm about to crash and burn.

1088
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,400
You know, all the walls was clay
caving in on me.

1089
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,360
And my mindset was different.
I was hungry.

1090
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,600
All kinds of shit was going on
that I was not used to.

1091
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:44,880
And.
Now you want me to relive it

1092
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:50,280
every 3 minutes and 30 seconds?
Exactly.

1093
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,560
The only thing this man can say
to me is write a song about it.

1094
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,960
So I was so angry at him for
saying it, I got off the phone.

1095
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:03,680
I don't want to hear no more.
And I surrounded myself with

1096
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:08,320
with all this optimistic, you
know it.

1097
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,920
And, yeah, viewpoints of
everything that I was

1098
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:16,960
experiencing at that moment.
And I sat down on the couch and

1099
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,520
I see, you know what?
Maybe he's right.

1100
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,920
Fuck it, let me go ahead and
write a song about it.

1101
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:25,400
So I took all that negative
energy, all the energy that I

1102
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,880
had that started the song off
was was negative.

1103
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,920
By the time I got to the
finishing part of it, it became

1104
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:36,400
positive.
And I took all that energy and I

1105
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:42,680
put it into claustrophobia.
And I, I can't believe that.

1106
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,000
And the song was created in that
one day and see.

1107
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,360
That and that's, that's the
power of what we have, you and

1108
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:53,280
I, because Mike doesn't write
lyrics, but that's the power of,

1109
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,040
of being able to take your,
your, your struggles, right and

1110
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,640
put them on paper.
Because I lived a fucked up life

1111
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,440
to, I mean, like little, I could
have gone one or two ways in my

1112
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:02,720
life.
I went this way instead.

1113
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,280
Had I not had, had I not had
that English teacher not pulled

1114
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,320
out the fact that she knew I
could write, I don't, my

1115
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,160
trajectory would have been
completely different because

1116
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,920
writing was able and it allowed
me to purge everything like I

1117
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,680
purged all the demons out
through music.

1118
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:22,840
And then as as we started
performing these songs in the

1119
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,760
darkness that I was writing in
those songs, that was cathartic

1120
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,240
in itself, performing because
I'm pushing all that shit out to

1121
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,440
the crowd, right?
Even though they don't know I'm

1122
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,920
pushing out this negative dark
shit, I'm still, it's a vehicle

1123
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:40,880
to keep my sanity.
So I love the fact that he's

1124
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,680
like, write this shit down
because that helps you get

1125
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,840
through that.
And now you can look back on it

1126
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,080
without harboring any real
darkness and and pain associated

1127
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:50,800
with it.
Because you, you, you work

1128
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,040
through it, right?
But, but I'm going to ask you

1129
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:57,080
this when when someone says
something like that to you and

1130
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:01,200
you are in a different zone and
a different your, your mindset

1131
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,840
is different.
That's the furthest and the last

1132
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,960
thing on your mind.
Yeah, I'm trying to fix every

1133
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,840
fucked up situation in your
life.

1134
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,360
You're trying to change your
attitude and your personality.

1135
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,480
The last thing you want to do is
write a song about it, right?

1136
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,680
True, but it is the best time to
do it.

1137
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,920
It is because it's.
Top of mind, it's top of mind

1138
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,200
and all the feelings are there
and the emotions are there.

1139
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:28,200
And when we told me the killing
part about it was when he told

1140
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:33,880
me I was very angry and and when
I sat down and thought about it,

1141
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,600
gave her some thought, like
about an hour later, I said,

1142
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,600
maybe he's right.
Let me go in and see what I can

1143
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,800
create from, from all of this
energy that I have.

1144
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:49,040
And the music came about first
that just because you, if you

1145
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,800
can hear the music, it just
sounds angry, It sounds

1146
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:56,840
energetic.
So I took that energy and from

1147
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:00,720
the what I was going through, I
didn't even write none of this

1148
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,600
down.
I just went in and sang it.

1149
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,840
Then the words got a little
weird.

1150
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,240
So I just started making the
words kind of like rhyme

1151
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,440
together.
But basically what you're

1152
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,240
hearing is all of that energy
coming out of me.

1153
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,600
And then towards the, the, the,
by the time we got to the second

1154
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,240
verse, that's when I started
saying, OK, I can't project this

1155
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,040
kind of energy.
I have to be more positive even

1156
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,880
though I'm going through
something and true.

1157
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:33,120
It helped me to understand that
this could be a therapeutic song

1158
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,320
for not just me but for other
people as well, just like

1159
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:41,520
insecurity.
So when I got finished with it,

1160
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,440
it took me almost like 8-9
hours.

1161
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:48,200
I finished the whole song, song
was done and I sent it back.

1162
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,520
And I didn't even call him.
I just sent it to him.

1163
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,720
Like OK, here's your here's
here's what you asked me to

1164
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,440
write.
From my experience.

1165
01:00:56,080 --> 01:01:00,480
He literally called me back and
he cried on the phone.

1166
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:06,400
He was, he was like amazingly
shocked and he was like, dude,

1167
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,400
you know, this is beautiful.
We're going to turn into a

1168
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:10,960
single.
I said a single.

1169
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,000
We already had a single, which
was supposed to be daydreaming

1170
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:18,240
and he heard claustrophobia.
He was like he fell in love with

1171
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:19,760
it.
The man cried.

1172
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:23,560
This is this is a full grown man
who cried from listening to the.

1173
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,960
Soul Man.
There you go.

1174
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,600
And I knew then I was like, OK,
I, I don't have anything else to

1175
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,240
say.
And I to be honest with you, I

1176
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:35,560
really didn't like look at that
song like that.

1177
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,040
Yeah, well, you.
But we but see that's the thing.

1178
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:39,680
But you hold on what I'm saying.
OK.

1179
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,600
Go ahead, Mike, Go ahead.
I'm sorry but you guys both said

1180
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:46,240
something that people need to
listen to that are not artists.

1181
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,160
And Chris is right, I don't
write lyrics.

1182
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,600
You know, if you want to know
how I'm feeling, I'll play you a

1183
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,680
song and you'll know exactly how
I feel.

1184
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,320
But you both said something
that's very important to people

1185
01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:00,720
who listen to music as therapy.
It's the same therapy for the

1186
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,520
person that wrote the song,
right?

1187
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,120
You guys both wrote it for a
reason.

1188
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,320
For whatever reason, he decided
to write Listen to Your Sin from

1189
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,640
the third person.
He had a reason for writing that

1190
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,560
in his subconscious somehow,
right?

1191
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,040
Freeman was how he was feeling
at the time.

1192
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,960
Yeah.
Nothing man, nothing man was how

1193
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,000
I was feeling at the time.
Correct, right?

1194
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:26,560
Yeah, and as, as you would not
know, lyrics are like a

1195
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:30,080
testament.
But it's the therapy that, you

1196
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:33,440
know, like a lot of times I used
to think before I met Chris,

1197
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,120
that has to be horrible for that
person to go up there and have

1198
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,480
to relive that moment.
That was a joke that I meant

1199
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,240
when, you know, I said your
manager was like, yeah, go write

1200
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:42,600
a song about it.
Sure.

1201
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,000
You know I'm going to write a 3
minute and 32nd song so I can

1202
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,840
relive this moment every 3
minutes and 30 seconds I have.

1203
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,760
To well, see, now you understand
the reason why it didn't

1204
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,320
resonate to me as well as it did
to him.

1205
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,720
Because whatever he associated
that song with, with his life,

1206
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:58,560
that's what made him cry.
Sure.

1207
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,760
For him to call me back and was
in tears.

1208
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:06,760
He had never did all of my
songs, but this one was the most

1209
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:11,520
that that impacted him that much
then about.

1210
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:17,240
All things and and I think real
world lyrics, I think that keeps

1211
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:19,880
because we played our songs
thousands and thousands of

1212
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,480
times, right, And I never got
tired of them because every time

1213
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,720
it was time for listen to your
sin or nothing, man or vision,

1214
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,560
whatever, I could step into that
person.

1215
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,080
I could step into vision because
I know what vision's about

1216
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,680
visions came from my soul and my
memories and my dreams.

1217
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:39,840
So I never got tired right.
So I never got tired of playing

1218
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,960
those songs because every time
I, I we played it, even though

1219
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,920
it it may not have been new to
the crowd, it wasn't new to us.

1220
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,440
I still could.
I still couldn't embed that that

1221
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,800
person that wrote that song.
And you know, that's another

1222
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:57,600
very powerful point, Chris.
And it makes music so much

1223
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,920
cooler, in my opinion, than
movies, because in the same

1224
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:04,840
night you guys get to step into
a new character in a new song

1225
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:09,440
every 3510, however long the
song is, the next time that new

1226
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,760
melody starts, you're like, OK,
now I'm this guy.

1227
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:13,960
Right now I'm this.
Moment that is true.

1228
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,400
It's like a character.
A movie takes 2 hours.

1229
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,560
You know that character takes 2
hours to develop your guys's

1230
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,240
characters within a song.
You might be telling a

1231
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:25,560
lifetime's worth of stories
literally in 3 minutes.

1232
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:29,520
It's 4 minutes, 5 minutes.
Then you're in on to that next

1233
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,560
character.
I just that vision popped in my

1234
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:33,280
head as he was talking about
that.

1235
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,120
You're literally stepping into
that character every time that

1236
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,320
song new song starts.
Yeah, that's why.

1237
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,160
That's why to me, writing songs
like, like we talked about

1238
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:43,680
earlier, we're not Van Halen,
right?

1239
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,560
Van Halen writes the songs about
partying, drink and having sex

1240
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,720
with women.
It's just I couldn't get behind

1241
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,640
that kind of music every single
show.

1242
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,720
It wasn't our thing.
We always say there's nothing

1243
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:58,160
wrong with that, but Chris said
it just on the last show that

1244
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:01,520
had been done before, right?
So why would we want to try to

1245
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,680
recreate what they've already
been successful?

1246
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,720
At it's not that we didn't.
Like it we loved.

1247
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,280
It.
If that's the thing that and

1248
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,760
that's why insecurities
resonates with people.

1249
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,800
That's why Klaus Robbie is going
to resonate with people because

1250
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:15,960
they're connecting it.
They they, you know, it's like

1251
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,800
kind of we talked about our, our
we had a guy on the showcase

1252
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,600
called Dave Noodle called Dave.
His name is Dave Noodle,

1253
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,920
fantastic musician.
Like he's got a song called the

1254
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:29,760
The Lord of the Devil, which
just why this guy's not top of

1255
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:33,000
charge Lemoyne is beyond me.
But it's, it's that thing.

1256
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:37,000
You, you, you have the ability
to touch somebody's life just

1257
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,840
from the title of just the word
of the song, the title of the

1258
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:43,120
song or just how it feels.
But it's going to open the door,

1259
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:45,800
right?
So the titles of your songs open

1260
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,360
that door.
And once that doors open and the

1261
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,280
listener steps in, then it's
game over, man.

1262
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,800
They either love it or hate it.
And you know, we want everybody

1263
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,040
to love your stuff.
And you know, because that's why

1264
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:56,600
we do it.
Right.

1265
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,320
So that's powerful.
That's all I got.

1266
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:04,760
I became a fan right now he's
going to do a Costanza come out.

1267
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,640
I became a fan for the same
reason, because both of those

1268
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,200
songs spoke to me for the same
reason, Chris said.

1269
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:17,240
I've been in those periods of my
life where I immediately, you

1270
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:19,920
know, with insecurity.
Everybody has their own

1271
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:21,920
insecurities.
I mean, how could you not have

1272
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:23,040
nailed that?
Yeah.

1273
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,280
And the message behind your
single you dropped yesterday

1274
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,880
with claustrophobia.
I don't know human being other

1275
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:33,320
than maybe somebody who was a
trust fund kid that never had to

1276
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,000
have and they have their own
pressures, right?

1277
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,960
I don't know a human being that
didn't have some kind of period

1278
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,000
in their life where they felt
like the walls were closing in

1279
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:43,720
and you, you have a fork in the
road.

1280
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,360
Like Chris said with this
horrible upbringing, when he

1281
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,640
became an adult, he literally
had two decisions to make.

1282
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:53,720
He could have blamed that on the
rest of his life for being an

1283
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:57,280
asshole and not succeeding.
Or he could have said OK I'm

1284
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,760
going to do things differently
and he chose option B

1285
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,320
thankfully.
Yes, thank God for that.

1286
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:03,480
Me too.
I.

1287
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,800
Mean that's what I get out,
that's what I get out of that

1288
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,160
song is I went through that
period too, where I'd easily

1289
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,280
could have went down the path to
destruction, right?

1290
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:16,720
Yeah.
And this, this resonated with me

1291
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:18,120
last time on the show and bring
it up.

1292
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,360
I'll bring it up now though, the
insecurity concept, right?

1293
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:22,520
The song and all that kind of
stuff.

1294
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:26,120
Here's somebody I'm talking
about you Lemoyne, OK, who has

1295
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,960
has produced and been with and
helped probably sell.

1296
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,960
You know, I didn't even know
millions and millions of records

1297
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,600
with everybody you've you've
touched in your career, right?

1298
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,320
Right.
And you're writing a song called

1299
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,040
Insecurity.
I know.

1300
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,240
You know what I'm saying?
It's very.

1301
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,320
Ironic.
It's totally ironic because

1302
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:45,640
you're the last person in the
world.

1303
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,600
I think whatever would be
insecure, but the beautiful

1304
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,960
thing about you is your humble
as a motherfucker.

1305
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:54,760
So even though you got this shit
in the background, these gold

1306
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:56,760
almonds, platinum almonds and
all the stuff you shared with in

1307
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,160
the first show, at the end of
the day, you're a normal human

1308
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:00,760
being like we are.
And you're humble and you're

1309
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,120
grateful and you're gracious for
what you are allowed to do on

1310
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:06,640
this planet and you embrace it.
And that shows in your music,

1311
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:08,160
man.
It shows what the feeling behind

1312
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,120
it and the emotion behind it and
the and how you're driven with

1313
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:13,520
it.
It's just that's why Mike and I

1314
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,000
were both like, we need to get
him back on the show.

1315
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:18,120
Get him back on the show because
you're just a super cool human

1316
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,399
man.
And regardless of where our

1317
01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:24,000
lives take us, it's it's I love
the fact that I can just text

1318
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,040
you.
Hey, man, you know, it's just,

1319
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:31,720
you know, like that, you know?
There there's a let me tell you

1320
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:36,439
something guys.
Yep, When I was doing all of the

1321
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:41,120
the, the high end, big records
and all of that stuff, I was not

1322
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:42,720
happy.
I was never happy.

1323
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:43,680
It was money.
It.

1324
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:45,520
Was all about.
Survival.

1325
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:47,279
You were making money.
You had to pay your bills.

1326
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:50,240
Survival.
Good, good word, good choice.

1327
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:56,399
And I just played along with the
whole thing because it was

1328
01:08:56,399 --> 01:09:03,279
mostly, honestly about 90%
bullshit and 10% music.

1329
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:07,880
Yeah, right.
And I learned that this is what

1330
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:11,479
the music business was and I I
didn't want no part of it

1331
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,840
anymore.
That makes me happy to hear that

1332
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:18,319
from somebody who was there
because we can say that all day

1333
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:21,399
long and everybody can call us
white boys.

1334
01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:25,200
You don't know nothing about the
rap game, you bold, you know,

1335
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:28,000
whatever.
And here's how you were somebody

1336
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,720
who was there.
You had your ear to the ground.

1337
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,319
You were producing the records,
you were dealing with the

1338
01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:35,840
artists, and you just heard it,
ladies and gentlemen.

1339
01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:39,520
He says most of it was bullshit.
A lot of it was made-up.

1340
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,439
And I think a lot of, I think I
think a lot of music, it is

1341
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,200
bullshit when it comes down to
because the image is such a huge

1342
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:51,600
part, especially back then.
Like, you know, like, like

1343
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,000
people like be like Vanilla Ice
and Eminem, right?

1344
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:56,440
For them to get into the rap
world.

1345
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,920
Vanilla Ice made his shit up.
Remember all that stuff that

1346
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:02,080
went down?
It was all bullshit Because,

1347
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:04,560
Because, right?
Because otherwise.

1348
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,800
He's not the only one.
No, right.

1349
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,120
I know.
Oh yeah, we would.

1350
01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:13,760
Not expect.
Oh yeah, well, it's like my wife

1351
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:15,560
always thought Kid Rock came
from a trailer.

1352
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,440
Like he was trailer trash.
And then I and then something

1353
01:10:18,440 --> 01:10:21,680
happened on, on Facebook a few
years back and it showed his his

1354
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:22,840
house.
He grew up and I'm like, hey

1355
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:24,760
babe, this is where Kid Rock
grew up.

1356
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,040
She was like, she was pissed.
That's not a trailer.

1357
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:30,440
Like, no, he's a trust fund baby
out of Detroit.

1358
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:34,800
But the way his persona is, I'm
a good old blue collar

1359
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:36,560
motherfucking Rock.
And you know, I'm going to drink

1360
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:38,880
my ass off, smoke some weed and
party, party, party.

1361
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,560
But he needed that in order to
sell his records and he.

1362
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,040
Did a great job of developing he
did for sure he.

1363
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:48,320
Did so did they realize so did
so did right?

1364
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:51,120
So and Eminem.
I mean, you know, I'm not huge

1365
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:52,560
in the rap.
We talked about that and there's

1366
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:56,280
a there's a handful of songs I
like from Eminem, But had he not

1367
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:58,480
gone through what he'd gone
through and not and if he didn't

1368
01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:01,240
have the the the the kind of
background that he established

1369
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:04,000
for the world to see, would he
be as successful as he is?

1370
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:05,440
I mean, you're you're a rap
producer.

1371
01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:09,240
Would he Des Moines?
Let me tell you something about

1372
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,880
Eminem.
Eminem to me is a true artist,

1373
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:16,520
true artist.
And what I respect about him is

1374
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:21,840
he he respects his craft more so
than the element of the bullshit

1375
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:25,320
that surrounds it.
And I've seen first hand what

1376
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:28,000
kind of real artist he really is
coming.

1377
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:32,160
I was in Lansing when he was
developing his shit in Detroit,

1378
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:36,720
so I wasn't that far from him
when I met some of his entourage

1379
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:38,480
at the time when I was
producing.

1380
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,160
But you know, and me and my son
talked about this a lot.

1381
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,800
For his birthday.
I took him to a surprise

1382
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:51,760
concert, the Eminem, when in his
early days when he was just

1383
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,400
getting started.
And I was telling everybody,

1384
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:57,240
this guy's going to be big watch
this guy, this guy is going to

1385
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,520
be awesome.
And I took myself for his

1386
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:04,440
birthday to see Eminem at a
closed off daytime concert

1387
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:10,200
nobody knew about and my son
became a huge he didn't even

1388
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,440
know who he was until he saw the
show.

1389
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:16,280
He's still a fan till this day.
That's cool.

1390
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:21,080
You know, and I bumped into him,
Eminem, a couple of times way

1391
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,600
before he became the guy that he
is today.

1392
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:25,920
Sure.
You know, and same thing with a

1393
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:31,520
lot of people that I know on the
first hand basis, like common.

1394
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:35,480
Yeah, Yeah.
A lot of these guys were just

1395
01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:38,200
like normal guys.
They all normal guys until they

1396
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:42,680
reach a peak in their career
where they become invincible.

1397
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:46,440
Yeah.
And we look at them like more

1398
01:12:46,440 --> 01:12:48,520
than what they are.
Yeah.

1399
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:52,800
Well, I never, and when it comes
to me, I never wanted to be.

1400
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:56,040
I never wanted that perception.
That's why you can talk to me

1401
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:59,440
and all my fans can talk to me.
Everybody can talk to me.

1402
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:06,280
When I was a Rap Per SE producer
at that time, I watched all the

1403
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:11,520
artists that I produced,
everybody that I had some kind

1404
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,520
of connection with.
We're making hits with them,

1405
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:18,200
their character, their
personality outside of the

1406
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,720
studio.
Oh my God, that can be

1407
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:25,280
unbearable to deal with when
you're dealing with them from a

1408
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:30,720
from a perspective of an artist.
They just they they have to put

1409
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:34,000
the face on to do so.
I.

1410
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:37,720
Said I would never be if I was
an artist and I used to say this

1411
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:40,320
all the time.
If I ever get an opportunity

1412
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,720
beer because I I never wanted to
be an artist.

1413
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,240
This was I just wanted to be
behind the scenes.

1414
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:47,960
And we talked about that last
time.

1415
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:51,920
The shit that I seen during my
courts, in my time as a

1416
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,840
producer, I, I, I was like, I
can't believe these are the

1417
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,280
people that I looked up to,
right?

1418
01:13:57,440 --> 01:14:00,680
I go, I have to ask myself like.
Wow, for real?

1419
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,240
Yeah.
Yeah, you know, I've seen so

1420
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:07,400
much shit that I kept saying I
would never be like this to my

1421
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:08,040
fans.
I would.

1422
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:11,280
I think too many people forget
why they started doing it in the

1423
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,680
first place.
Yeah, yeah, right.

1424
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:15,920
And.
And I promised myself and I

1425
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,080
promised my dad, I promised to
God.

1426
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:21,920
I said if I ever got a hit, you
know, I'm going to be the first

1427
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,160
person in and the last person
lead.

1428
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:27,080
You know, I'm going to give
autographs, shake everybody's

1429
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:28,480
hands.
And I'm not going to charge

1430
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:31,040
nobody for no photographs.
That's not me.

1431
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:35,080
When I had radio, yeah.
When I had my radio, yeah.

1432
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:38,520
When I had my show on iheart, I
did a radio show on iheart for a

1433
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:40,400
year called Real Talk USA with
the real estate guy.

1434
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,000
I got to be really good friends
with the people in the Phoenix

1435
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,160
iheart, right?
Rightfully so because I had a

1436
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:49,120
show on there and so they would
take me around when I first got

1437
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:50,880
there and show me where all the
artists and stuff would play.

1438
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,160
A big one of the biggest key
factors when people come into

1439
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:57,240
Phoenix to play.
They would do 3 songs in this

1440
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:00,240
little like jam session they had
in the in the Phoenix iheart

1441
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:03,520
location.
The ones that showed up on time

1442
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,480
did their stuff without any
head, without any headache or

1443
01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:08,080
grievance.
Like none of those stupid you

1444
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,000
know I might head something I
can't get to the door.

1445
01:15:10,440 --> 01:15:12,920
Those artists went on to make
millions and millions and

1446
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:15,240
millions of dollars and sell
records and play a airplay like

1447
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:16,760
galore.
Those that fucked with them,

1448
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,800
those that showed up 1015
minutes late refused to go on

1449
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,960
until they got their seltzer
water or until this was done or

1450
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:27,000
till that was done.
They squash them like a bug and

1451
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,080
because they squashed them like
a bug, their entire career

1452
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,760
fizzed out because if Iheart
wasn't going to play you, you

1453
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:36,320
were fucked.
So the right so so he would tell

1454
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,280
me, Steve, the guy that was
behind my show, would tell me.

1455
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:40,560
There were certain bands would
come in and they would stand at

1456
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,840
the front door of the iheart
studio for three hours after

1457
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,640
their their three song
performance and sign autographs

1458
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:48,960
and take pictures without
complaining, without bitching,

1459
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,160
without moaning.
And those artists have done

1460
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:52,880
that.
They're still out there today

1461
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,280
and they're still charting and
making music and touring.

1462
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,440
Because what I'm talking.
About right because why are we

1463
01:15:58,440 --> 01:16:01,440
here as musicians because of the
fan base and the people that.

1464
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:09,800
They love you.
They love you for.

1465
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:14,080
Reason, right?
You know they're not going to

1466
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:17,880
love you for for not making
music.

1467
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:22,440
They love you because you supply
them with what they need.

1468
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:25,240
You supply them the soundtrack
of their life.

1469
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:28,440
And if they want to tell it,
that's great.

1470
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:32,600
If they want to tell you that,
why would you be an ass to them?

1471
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:34,880
Right, right.
The right answer is thank you.

1472
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:38,080
That means a lot to me.
I'm glad that my song touched.

1473
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:39,840
Your song.
I know you do.

1474
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:41,600
I read all your comments man
you're 1.

1475
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:43,920
Of the.
Most gracious artists out there.

1476
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:45,760
Yep.
Which is why.

1477
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:47,440
I make a habit.
Of sharing your stuff.

1478
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:53,120
I had a girl I was dating this
one girl and she said to me, she

1479
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:57,400
said, why are you so, you know,
accessible?

1480
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:01,800
And I said, what do you mean?
You're, you're, you're, you

1481
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,560
know, you're not like the
typical artists that are out.

1482
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:06,400
And I said, no, I don't want to
be like that.

1483
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:09,600
You, you got it.
Where people she told, she told

1484
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,080
me, she said, your, your people
can call you.

1485
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:16,720
And I'm like, yes, they can get
on the phone from my Facebook

1486
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:19,520
number or whatever.
You can reach me and talk to me.

1487
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:22,200
And I thought about it when when
she told me that, I was like,

1488
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:25,960
no, I like being accessible.
You know what I would say, and I

1489
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:30,320
think you're the same way.
As much as I like playing music,

1490
01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:32,240
I like talking about it just as
much.

1491
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:35,360
So why would I not be accessible
to talk about any kind of music

1492
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:38,480
with anybody ever?
It's one of my favorite things

1493
01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:41,120
to do, and obviously it's one of
all of our favorite things to

1494
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:42,920
do, or the three of us wouldn't
be sitting here.

1495
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:47,000
That's why you're so accessible.
In in other people's eyes, I'm

1496
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:50,960
supposed to be this, you know,
hardcore guy don't want to talk

1497
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:54,240
to nobody stay away from me and.
I accomplished.

1498
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,360
People for photos and you know,
that's just not me.

1499
01:17:57,440 --> 01:17:59,840
That's.
And it shouldn't be, it

1500
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:01,920
shouldn't be.
I get, I get if you get, if you

1501
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:03,920
get to a certain level, like
claustrophobia is going to blow

1502
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:05,560
up and then all of a sudden
you're not going to have your

1503
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:07,240
phone number out there because
then whack A mole are going to

1504
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,480
call you, right?
I had, I had a little bit of

1505
01:18:09,480 --> 01:18:11,120
that whack A mole shit when I
was on the radio.

1506
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,400
People started following me back
from when I left the studio.

1507
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:16,080
And she was like, OK, you know,
start getting weird messages and

1508
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:17,680
shit.
So you kind of kind of dial

1509
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:19,960
stuff back because then you
start invading that personal

1510
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:24,440
life, which I get right.
But I think there's a line that

1511
01:18:24,440 --> 01:18:29,080
you can still maintain
accessibility without being a

1512
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:33,160
Dick, you know, and I and, and
there's certain artists that

1513
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,400
have achieved that and some that
that I mean, people like Bieber,

1514
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:38,680
who's constantly berated 24/7.
I can see why he's got to push

1515
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:39,720
everybody back and leave him
alone.

1516
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,160
Because if he stops for a
minute, all of a sudden he's

1517
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:45,400
there for five hours.
So I get some of it.

1518
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:47,720
But at the same time, you still
have to be gracious and remember

1519
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:50,720
where you came from.
Like I said, I'm going to be the

1520
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,440
first person there and the last
one to leave.

1521
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:57,560
I love my fans.
If I'm on stage for 2-3 hours,

1522
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,840
whatever, I'm going to spend the
next hours with my fans before I

1523
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:02,800
go home.
I'm not jumping in no car and

1524
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:06,000
drive off and you got all these
people you know.

1525
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:08,680
Here's a story.
I don't know if I ever told you

1526
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:13,760
this story.
Particular artist a friend of

1527
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:19,040
mine had me go on the bus with.
This was during my rap days,

1528
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:23,920
producing rap, and he invited me
on tour with this particular

1529
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:25,040
artist.
I'm not going to say his name.

1530
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:29,960
But OK, that's cool.
And I was on the bus with him.

1531
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:35,120
He had just broken his leg.
So he still performed for the

1532
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,240
fans.
And I thought that was

1533
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:39,760
remarkable because some people
break your leg.

1534
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,880
They don't want to have nothing
to do but heal.

1535
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,120
But he was out there performing.
He was doing his thing.

1536
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,680
So that that was another reason
that made me want to work with

1537
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:52,760
him until.
Yeah, we left the show and on

1538
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:54,680
up.
When we left the show, we were

1539
01:19:54,680 --> 01:20:00,080
going out of the theater and we
were walking towards the parking

1540
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:04,640
lot to the bus, and it was a
whole gang of fans there.

1541
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:08,120
And one particular fan was, oh,
my, she was in tears.

1542
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:11,240
She just wanted to meet him and
she ran up on him.

1543
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:14,120
She had all she had, like all of
her records.

1544
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,120
All his records, like hugging
them.

1545
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:19,080
That's not that's not what she
loved them.

1546
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:24,640
And she and we were all walking
together, talking, and she ran

1547
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:27,960
up on them and she kissed them
on the face.

1548
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:31,320
And he said he would.
The words that came out his

1549
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:33,800
mouth was, bitch, why would you
put your lips on me?

1550
01:20:36,440 --> 01:20:41,480
And she just melted.
She was like, yeah, it's she

1551
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:44,080
coming up.
It was just, and I'm looking at

1552
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:47,080
her like, no, he did not.
Yeah, she.

1553
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:50,680
Took the records, dropped them
on the ground, stomped on her

1554
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,440
right, them in front of them.
That's where the term Don't meet

1555
01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:55,400
your heroes comes from.
Sometimes I.

1556
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,080
Was so hurt.
It's so.

1557
01:20:58,480 --> 01:21:00,240
Sad.
Then right after she stomped the

1558
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:05,160
records and CDs and stuff, she
said, I loved you so much.

1559
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:08,360
I can't stand your ass now.
And she said all of these

1560
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:12,520
negative things and she went to
her car and she cried, right?

1561
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:15,280
She didn't even get in the car.
She just put her head on the car

1562
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:18,680
and cried.
And I'm looking at my boy who

1563
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:21,280
brought me to this situation,
like, is this real?

1564
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:25,120
Is this really happening?
And I felt bad that I went over

1565
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,840
there.
So like, I, you know, I

1566
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:29,640
apologize.
I'm sorry.

1567
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:33,360
She was like, I I really truly
love this guy and I can't

1568
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,600
believe he said that to me.
And he told, he literally said

1569
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:40,000
why would you put he's called
her a bitch and, and, and was

1570
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,880
like, you know, why would you
kiss me, put your lips on me,

1571
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:44,520
don't touch me and all of this
shit.

1572
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:46,480
I couldn't believe it.
So.

1573
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:51,480
Yeah, it's terrible.
I spent 5 minutes encouraging

1574
01:21:51,480 --> 01:21:54,960
this lady to get back in her
car, go home, the whole thing

1575
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:57,760
and just forget the whole thing.
And I felt bad.

1576
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:03,360
So I got back on the bus and
when I got back on the bus, my

1577
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:05,280
boy was like, you see what I'm
talking about?

1578
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,720
He just pointed it out.
You see what I'm talking about?

1579
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:14,040
So the actual artist was like,
OK, let me hear your beats, man.

1580
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:16,480
I took my beats.
I said I'm done.

1581
01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:19,160
I don't want to work with you.
I don't want to have.

1582
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:22,600
I have nothing else to say.
And I got off the bus and went

1583
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:24,200
to my.
Car there he.

1584
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:28,640
Goes done and I lost with and I
always wanted to work with this

1585
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:31,480
guy.
So much respect for him.

1586
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:34,840
I was out and I never listened
to anymore his music.

1587
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:37,760
I'm sure whatever she was
feeling, she stopped the same

1588
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:40,280
thing.
And that's what artists don't

1589
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:44,440
realize is, like Chris said a
second ago, sometimes that's

1590
01:22:44,440 --> 01:22:47,120
that person's whole life.
How many people have you met who

1591
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:52,080
are only, like, he said, a
Justin Bieber fan or a Tupac fan

1592
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:55,840
or an Elvis fan or like, that's
their whole life.

1593
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:58,280
They love those people.
They have their posters, they

1594
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:00,800
have all their albums, they go
to all their concerts, they wear

1595
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:04,920
their merchandise.
You know then for you to act

1596
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,320
like they are a peasant and
you're some kind of king.

1597
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:12,400
Oh guys, if you hadn't been
there, you saw that your your.

1598
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:13,800
Heart would have dropped.
I can't.

1599
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:17,760
Accept that more.
I felt so embarrassed being

1600
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:20,320
there with them.
I would have felt the same way

1601
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:22,760
for sure.
Then I would have felt like I

1602
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:25,520
got to get out of here.
This is this is not this is not

1603
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:29,640
this is not cool for me.
And and nobody went to check on

1604
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:31,360
this girl.
All security did.

1605
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:36,440
Everybody was just nobody.
So I ran over there like, no, I

1606
01:23:36,440 --> 01:23:38,640
can't believe and I'm Pat, are
you OK?

1607
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:42,120
And I'm asking now, you know,
and I'm apologizing for his

1608
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,800
actions, right?
That's not bad.

1609
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:47,240
I felt I was like, I'm out of
this no more.

1610
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:52,200
That was that was the probably
the beginning of me saying that

1611
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:56,040
I was done in, you know, coming
to the forefront of me quick.

1612
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:58,640
Because everybody's human, man.
That's the thing.

1613
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:02,280
It doesn't that.
Now, if had he done the opposite

1614
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:06,680
thing with that, that would have
been another version of a story

1615
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:08,800
that he probably would have
continued.

1616
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:10,840
Then other people would have
heard that story.

1617
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:13,240
You know what I mean?
And it's you flip the coin.

1618
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:16,720
Yeah, Levon would be telling
180° different story, right?

1619
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:18,880
You say this guy, there's a
moment.

1620
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:22,600
Of that one, there it was
myself, the artist, the guy who

1621
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:25,400
brought me in security.
Right, see then you would be

1622
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:28,000
naming the guy and you would be
saying, hey, let me tell you

1623
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:28,920
what such facing.
Him.

1624
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:31,880
Lifting him.
We had a minute and 45 seconds

1625
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:34,640
to get on the bus to make sure
we were on time for the next

1626
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:37,640
show and this guy literally
stopped for 5 minutes and signed

1627
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:39,400
all this ladies, you know what
I'm saying?

1628
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,240
Then you would be telling
literally 180° different story.

1629
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,120
That's all it took was 5 minutes
of his day.

1630
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:50,360
And he didn't even he didn't
even after that situation

1631
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:53,840
happened with the first girl,
she was the last girl because he

1632
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:55,800
walked away.
There was other fans there.

1633
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:58,440
Oh sure, walked away from all of
them to walk straight on the

1634
01:24:58,440 --> 01:24:59,720
bus.
Yep, Yep.

1635
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:02,320
And it comes back.
People don't think that shit

1636
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:03,440
comes around.
It comes around.

1637
01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:06,080
You hear, you hear stories
about, you know, artists and

1638
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:10,040
musicians and actors and that
are just pieces of shit and it

1639
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:12,000
comes back to them and it burns
them in the ass.

1640
01:25:12,440 --> 01:25:14,080
And then you have people like
Keanu Reeves.

1641
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:16,040
There's not a negative thing
said about him.

1642
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:17,720
Why?
Because he's a gracious human,

1643
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:21,360
respects the fact that he that
he has the life that he has and

1644
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:25,160
he knows the life he has is
because everybody around him

1645
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:29,720
helped him create that life.
I respect him more as a as a

1646
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:32,680
human being more than his craft,
that's all.

1647
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:33,680
Absolutely.
Me too.

1648
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:36,600
Absolutely, absolutely.
There's need to be more Keanu

1649
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:39,000
Reeves in our world.
Speaks out more to me than his

1650
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:40,680
moves.
Exactly.

1651
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:44,120
And that's how I want more.
That's why I'm the way that I am

1652
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:47,680
with my fans and I make music
for my fans.

1653
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:51,880
My music is for therapy for
everybody, you know, whatever

1654
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:54,440
they're going through.
If I can have some kind of

1655
01:25:54,440 --> 01:25:58,320
impact on my fans live with my
music, then that's that's a

1656
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,840
blessing to me.
If somebody's like something

1657
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:04,800
that I recorded and I hear that
compliment that, I always blow

1658
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,520
them away by saying I'd, I'd
love it as much as you do.

1659
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:10,000
So thanks, you know?
Yeah, exactly.

1660
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:12,520
I, I love hearing it.
Like Chris said, we've played

1661
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:15,720
and heard these songs thousands,
10s of thousands of times.

1662
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:17,640
And every time I hear them, I
still love them.

1663
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:19,480
I wrote them for that reason,
right?

1664
01:26:19,480 --> 01:26:22,080
They meant something to me and
they still mean something to me

1665
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,680
to this day.
Yeah, it's our music, and I

1666
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:26,360
still rock out to it.
I mean, that tells you

1667
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:28,440
something, you know?
And of all the bands I've been

1668
01:26:28,440 --> 01:26:31,160
in, the only music that does
that for me is Nemesis.

1669
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:33,320
There's a couple tracks in the
last band I was in that I still

1670
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:36,720
really enjoy listening to.
But anything Nemesis wise,

1671
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:40,320
because it was such a lightning
in the bottle capture and it's

1672
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:43,720
still relevant lyrically in the
world we live in today that it's

1673
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:45,840
just, to me, it's just it, it is
what it is.

1674
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:49,760
You create something in a space
and time and you put a timestamp

1675
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:51,560
on it.
So when that shit like that

1676
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:53,440
happens, you did.
And it happens more often than

1677
01:26:53,440 --> 01:26:55,640
not, right?
All you have to do was turn to

1678
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:57,960
her and say thank you.
What can I sign or give her a

1679
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:00,400
hug back or hey, I can't, I
can't hang out.

1680
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:03,120
I got to go kiss her on the
forehead, thank you very much.

1681
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:05,400
You know what I mean?
It's just 20 seconds of your

1682
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:09,280
time is not going to do really.
Your life that's it That is so

1683
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:14,960
true and I I turned there's
another time when I was during

1684
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:19,120
last year.
I think it was right after the

1685
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:23,240
ceremony and it this to.
The Hall of Fame, Yeah.

1686
01:27:23,480 --> 01:27:27,640
Yeah, the Hall of Fame.
And there were remarkable artist

1687
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:28,760
there that I performed.
Oh.

1688
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:30,000
Yeah.
Oh yeah.

1689
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:33,760
I mean, go back to research
their records that you know,

1690
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:37,120
classic records and classic
artist that I'm on the same

1691
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:39,560
stage with shocked the hell out
of me.

1692
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:42,240
I grew up listening to this,
knowing wow, I can't even.

1693
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:44,800
Frank Stallone was there so.
All right, he.

1694
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:45,480
Got it.
Awesome.

1695
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:53,360
So, you know, and after it was
over, I swear all the same

1696
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:56,840
people that loved all of those
artists, they all wanted me.

1697
01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:01,040
They wanted me.
They wanted my autograph and

1698
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:04,760
everything.
And I, if I recall, I'd never

1699
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:08,600
forget I was with, I was with
somebody who was like, come on,

1700
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,120
let's go, let's go, let's go.
And I've said, no, I'm going to

1701
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:13,920
stick it out as long as I can
because they're coming to me

1702
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:17,320
asking especially the owner of
the place, please don't leave.

1703
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:18,720
She said.
She kept saying please don't

1704
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,320
leave because everybody wanted,
yeah, you know, And I was like,

1705
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:24,800
no problem, you know?
So I took pictures with

1706
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:29,320
everybody all the way in there,
so damn near the place closed.

1707
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:34,080
And it just made everybody feel
good that I was there when I saw

1708
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:37,160
most of the artists who haven't
had hits out in a long time

1709
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,760
skate out of there.
Yeah, it's Carmen, man.

1710
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:43,800
And it's crazy.
I'm like, wow, you know?

1711
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:47,040
Well, I was.
I think it's I think it's part

1712
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:49,000
of being a humble artist too.
Lemoyne.

1713
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:52,560
I was always fascinated that
somebody like my stuff as much

1714
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:53,440
as I do.
Right?

1715
01:28:53,440 --> 01:28:55,920
Yeah.
It humbles you if you're in the

1716
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:59,440
right mindset.
When somebody leaves you a

1717
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:03,360
social media message and they
take the time to make a video of

1718
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:06,880
themselves with your song, which
people do by the thousands,

1719
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:10,240
ladies and gentlemen, They're
it's almost hard to keep up with

1720
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:12,280
how many people do this with his
songs.

1721
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:16,720
They do that because they know
you as an artist and they feel

1722
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,600
close to you because you're
humble, right?

1723
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:24,680
You can't fake that.
No, you just know.

1724
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:26,960
You can know.
You know, tremendous, this is

1725
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:32,160
such a remarkable feeling to
know the, the, the adulation you

1726
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:38,200
get and, and, and the, the, what
people get from your music, what

1727
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:41,320
you contribute to their lives
because you, you hit it right.

1728
01:29:41,480 --> 01:29:45,800
Earlier you said I created this
for the soundtrack of their

1729
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:49,440
lives.
Well, technically I was creating

1730
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:54,960
the music, the soundtrack for my
life, which is a part of

1731
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:58,320
everybody else's life because
I'm human just like everybody

1732
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:00,000
else.
And I go through problems and

1733
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,640
I've had issues just like
everybody else.

1734
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:04,200
So I said, well, why not sing
about it?

1735
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:07,760
You know, whatever I'm going
through, I'm sure somebody else

1736
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:09,200
is going.
Through which is what makes

1737
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:11,600
music the true magic on this
planet.

1738
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:15,440
Because what we've been talking
about over and over again in

1739
01:30:15,440 --> 01:30:19,280
this podcast, a repeating theme
is you both write lyrics that

1740
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:23,120
mean something to you that end
up meaning something to maybe

1741
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:29,440
let's say 25,000,000 other
people, 12 million other ways,

1742
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:31,120
right?
Because a lot of people are

1743
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:33,920
going to interpret it the way
you did, the way I did, but

1744
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:36,600
you're going to have a handful
of people who are going to

1745
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:40,120
interpret it in ways you would
never even have imagined.

1746
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:41,040
Right.
Yeah.

1747
01:30:41,440 --> 01:30:44,000
It's just makes music such a
magical thing.

1748
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:46,520
That's the whole thing right
there.

1749
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:50,200
All right, let's wrap this up.
So Lemoyne Alexander, they can

1750
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:53,000
find you all kinds of social
media, right?

1751
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:56,720
Just just go ahead and look up
Lemoyne Alexander on Facebook,

1752
01:30:57,120 --> 01:31:01,040
look him up on Instagram.
You can find him.

1753
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:04,200
There's his number.
So so it's a fight.

1754
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:07,600
So because it's an Arizona based
number, Tucson, is that where

1755
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,680
you're from?
OK, no, I'm, I'm really from

1756
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:14,600
Chicago, but when I when I was
married, I kept the same name

1757
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:17,760
when I was living in in Arizona.
So I kept.

1758
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:18,840
The number.
So.

1759
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:19,720
All right, Cool.
Cool.

1760
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:20,520
Yeah.
So.

1761
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:27,600
So what is your website?
Well, we lamoine Alexander.

1762
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:30,720
Dot com Lamoine Alexander
fanpage.com.

1763
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:36,040
OK, because you this one has we.
Lemoyne That's like the wicked

1764
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:38,360
entertainment Lemoyne
alexander.com But.

1765
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:40,000
Oh, OK, got you.
That makes sense now.

1766
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:41,200
OK, Yeah.
Right.

1767
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:46,720
On SO, Right on.
I will be performing New Year's

1768
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:49,640
in Chicago.
Everyone is welcome to come.

1769
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:51,560
I'm going to.
It's going to be a huge

1770
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:56,000
sensation party, yeah.
And and as I said, we're going

1771
01:31:56,000 --> 01:32:00,160
to give away a lot of giveaways
and have and their other guests,

1772
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:02,080
surprise guests is going to be
there too.

1773
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:04,160
Cool.
Hope to see everybody there.

1774
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:07,520
Yeah, All right.
Now for Lamon, Alexander, Mike

1775
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:09,880
and Chris, it's Chris and Mike.
So remember, if you're feeling

1776
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:13,840
suicidal, depressed, go scream
in a pillow, go outside and run

1777
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:17,000
and go jog or work out.
Find somebody to talk to you.

1778
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:19,160
If you can't find somebody to
talk to you, text 988.

1779
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:21,280
Somebody's there waiting to help
you through your struggles.

1780
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:23,040
Don't leave a hole in somebody's
heart.

1781
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:24,840
Somebody does love you.
Somebody will miss you.

1782
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:27,240
You are loved and cared for.
Tomorrow will be it will be a

1783
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:31,880
better day as you wake up in it.
So again for Chris and Mike

1784
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:33,520
Lemoyne Alexander, I love you
guys.

1785
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:35,040
This has been a great talking to
you brother.

1786
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:38,400
Thanks for doing this and mine.
Yeah, absolutely, man.

1787
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:39,840
I'll see you with the next time,
yeah.

1788
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:41,320
Yeah, we're going to.
We're going to have you on

1789
01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:42,520
again.
We're going to have you on again

1790
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:44,520
for sure.
Until next time by buddy.

1791
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:59,080
Peace, peace, peace.
Look the tablet, go inside, feel

1792
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:01,160
the.
Tears open your eyes.

1793
01:33:11,670 --> 01:33:16,190
Feel the trail behind your eyes.
Feel yourself and need yourself.

1794
01:33:19,550 --> 01:33:22,510
Take a moment, look at you and
see it.

1795
01:33:23,710 --> 01:33:28,270
Watch the battle, the tears.
Watch the battle.

1796
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:57,100
Come.
Down here we haven't found the

1797
01:34:57,100 --> 01:35:01,220
salary in the sand from
fighting.

1798
01:35:02,060 --> 01:35:05,300
Wait for the dead.
When you close.

1799
01:35:05,340 --> 01:35:07,300
Your outfit in the wind you
ain't.

1800
01:35:09,060 --> 01:35:11,900
No.
Quizzes we're playing Smile and

1801
01:35:13,100 --> 01:35:19,520
you should keep going on the
Almighty how to treat you who in

1802
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:26,120
your life to keep on throwing
every man.

1803
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:30,600
Take the trail behind your eyes.
Feel the soul revolution die.

1804
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:39,480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.

1805
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:44,920
Take a moment.
Look at you.

1806
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:49,400
See him fight the fan.
Only two more clear.

1807
01:36:15,300 --> 01:36:19,700
You gotta, You gotta.
You gotta, you gotta, you gotta.