#15 - World according to Nemesis

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But like, like what I'm trying
to find right now, for those you

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don't know, I'm Chrissy's Mike.
This is the Chris and Mike Show.

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We like to talk about everything
as it relates to our lives, the

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ups and downs and the
rock'n'roll, the creativity

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thing.
I want to do a show one time in

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the near future where you and I
work on a song like, that's just

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a show.
Like I'll have one of your riffs

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and we will.
We'll build a song, construct a

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song to our listening audience.
That'd be awesome, man.

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You know what's cool about the
lyrics, man?

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When I find shit, you know
what's cool?

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This is, this is, this is what's
cool about me, OK?

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Fucking egotistical
motherfucker.

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This is what's cool about me.
I can turn your preamp up just a

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little bit.
And OK, which one's the preamp,

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the second or first?
First or second?

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Check, check, check, check.
Preamp is up.

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Is that one better?
Way.

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There you go.
Now I can hear you.

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What do you think?
Much better.

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Way better.
OK.

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All right, so the cool thing
like, I can pull out.

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I I was telling Mike the other
day, I have, I have a crate of

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lyrics, like one of those
storage crates of lyrics.

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But this is what I found was
just I would take this to all

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the practices.
This is my bag.

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I stole it from my wife.
This is what he showed up with

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at the very first time we met
him.

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Right.
He's like, I got a little bit of

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material.
So I have a giant everything

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since.
Yeah.

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So this was everything that I've
ever written in my in my crate

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since since I started writing in
high school.

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So it's everything from poetry
to short stories to to what's

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evolved in the music.
But the cool thing, what I was,

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what I was going towards.
I can look at lyrics that I

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wrote like this.
I don't remember if this is

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Nemesis or not but I can look at
that and and automatically the

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melody.
Just reading the words, the

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melody comes in my brain.
Alone I sit my my sorrow was

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spent.
I watched alone I sit.

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My sorrows spent.
I watch as the shadow stills

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This guy.
Tomorrow came yesterday's past.

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Tomorrow will soon be over.
Memories past.

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Can't you see and just lie.
I'm the whisper on the breeze.

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So shit like that there's
another one that that I came off

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that I fucking love.
That we, you and I worked on.

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That was a terrible example of
this one, though.

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The chorus on this one.
I can always pull out this one.

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See if you remember this one.
Pain, a whisper.

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I'm a shadow dream of you.
Dream of tomorrow.

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Pain, a whisper.
I'm a shadow dream.

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Dream of tomorrow.
I lie awake.

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I lie awake.
Don't question why I can't get

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you off my mind.
I see your face When I close my

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eyes.
I feel your heart.

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Internal lines.
Pain, a whisper.

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All my shadow.
Dream of Sour Row.

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Dream of Tomorrow.
I love that song by the way.

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I did too.
The title of that pain.

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A Whisper Came from a Rockette.
Came from a rockette.

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Remember the rock rock set?
The the, the, the pop duo from

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Australia or something, Or
Sweden.

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Oh, the rock Sette.
Yes, they have a lyric in one of

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their songs that says pain, a
whisper.

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And I'm like, that's a fucking
cool line.

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That's a great.
Song whisper right.

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And that's how that's and that's
right.

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And that's how that song came
out, was just because I like

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that lyric.
Oh, what was that?

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It could have been love, but
it's over now.

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Yes, yes.
That's a.

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Great song and here's one of
your favorites.

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This is.
She died, unfortunately.

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Here's one of your favorites.
Which is kind of cool.

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She did.
You're.

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Not going to be able to see
this.

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This is the original scribing of
Intervention Divine.

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No, that's awesome.
That should be in A-frame

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somewhere.
That's.

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The original lyric The original
original lyrics Man of

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Intervention Divine.
I would need a legitimate

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producer to actually put that
song together now.

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Yeah, all three pages, man.
And this same thing.

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I can.
I see those lyrics and I know

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exactly the melody.
It just it just hits me.

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That one I remember.
I remember the melody of that I

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just Can't Sing.
I sing it in my head all the

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time.
Yeah yeah yeah.

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Display your face of Galleries
Hall that was that was fucking.

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That was just that was fucking.
That's a.

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Good.
Those are some of the best

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lyrics I've ever read from
anyone in my life.

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Ever.
Thank you.

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Thank you.
You know what I mean?

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That too.
Yeah.

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Intervention Divine.
Oh I knew I do Window a hell

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couple ones that never put music
to king of Israel.

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You and I worked on on pain and
whisper silhouette of an

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outcast.
I love these lyrics.

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This was came off an improv jam
session that I I totally this

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would be.
I still have the melody in my

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head.
But when I'm standing around

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with nothing to do and got no
thoughts in my head it's true.

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I watch the people staring back
at me wonder if they can really

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see reality.
I never speak about what's in my

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mind.
Tomorrow's answers will be

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sublime.
And of course I am the forgotten

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one.
The lonely thought left for last

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is a silhouette.
The silhouette.

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The silhouette of an outcast
silhouette of the podcast.

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I love that fucking lyric.
Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Mike Michaels.
We're going to put that to

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music.
Losing all the madness.

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Remember losing all the madness.
That was a great tune too.

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Yes, I do.
Oh fuck.

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That was this was, this is
relevant today, dude.

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Losing all the madness.
Government says we got to

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believe.
Government says we got to see.

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Government says it's all lies.
Government says we will deny

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Topical, irrelevant.
This is fucking 20 years old.

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The course losing all the
madness.

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It's older than that.
Deep.

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Within our minds, Losing all the
sadness.

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Killing.
Yeah.

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Oh yeah, yeah.
I'm.

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Sorry, it's almost 30 years old.
Probably.

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Yeah, yeah.
So of course losing all the

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madness deep within our minds.
Losing all the madness.

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Killing our kind.
That's a twice of those that

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course.
And then I love this part.

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I we've talked about this on the
show actually Preacher man is is

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speaking about the coming times.
Preacher Man we're paying for

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your soul and mine.
Fatherhood demons choosing right

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and wrong.
Killed my 2 year old daughter

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just the other night.
No, I ain't got no reason man.

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I ain't got no rhyme, just a can
full of gasoline.

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And I committed my crime.
That was, I don't know if you

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remember that or not.
There's a fucking asshole during

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our heyday that took his little
girl out to the desert, remember

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that and set her on the fire.
Told her she was they were going

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to go see Santa Claus.
Yeah, that's where that came

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from.
Just the concept of that

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motherfucker.
And then I I course goes on this

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again.
This is just, it is losing the

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man, his 13 year old daughter.
She got Johnny inside nine

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months.
A week later she strangled her

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child.
Same same time frame.

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There was somebody that that
fucking killed their baby and

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and left it a toilet and.
That was such a great song.

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Dude, thank you.
Well, we're going to, we're

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going to put it back together.
Daddy is sleeping, so the story

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goes, took her mommy away, then
changed his clothes.

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No one really knows the reasons
why.

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We had a great nation that we're
destined to die.

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I just.
I get fucking chills when I read

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that shit.
That's, you know, some of the

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shit that I wrote, man.
It's just so that it's still

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relevant today.
I mean still relevant.

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That's the thing that always
impressed me, is the way that

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you could put a relevant topic
that still remained abstract.

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Because I remember the day that
you told Scott and I what that

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song was about.
And I just remember a moment of

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silence and all of a sudden I
don't remember who said it

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first.
But it was just like, wow, dude,

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that's heavy.
It's like really heavy.

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Yeah.
So we knew we had to do that

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justice as far as the music
went, which is why I remember

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that song so much, because it
just made people sit up and pay

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attention, you know?
Yeah, none of our.

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And I always kind of pride in
myself in our heyday and just in

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our general in the
generalization of Nemesis.

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I'm not going to say heyday,
because we were all in our prime

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at the time, but I never wrote
songs really about partying and

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getting laid and going out and
shit like that.

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Because to me it's been there,
done that.

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Like we weren't Van Halen,
correct?

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Van Halen.
The early years of Van Halen was

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all about partying and fucking
and drinking.

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I never wanted to be, I never
wanted to change the world.

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But same time I wanted to write
something that was relevant at

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the time and never realizing
that some of this shit could

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still be like, listen to your
sin.

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Like, holy God.
Holy shit, man.

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Like those lyrics?
So let me ask you a question.

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Yeah.
Let me ask you a question before

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you move on because you hit on.
Listen to your sin, OK?

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Have you ever tripped?
Ever?

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Right.
No, no.

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Now read everyone the lyrics to
to that song.

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Nope.
To listen to your sin, OK?

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Because now hold on before you
start, before you start.

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OK, OK.
When I listen, I actually have a

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recording of this because he
sent it to me and I play it in

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my car all the time because I
love this song and I've never

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asked him this question.
So I just got the answer to it

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right here live on the Chris and
Mike Show podcast.

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Amazing.
I thought that he had had some

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kind of experience at in his
life with hallucinogens, because

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when you listen to the lyrics of
the song, someone who has never

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been there, done that, described
exactly what you feel when

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you're under the influence of
hallucinogen.

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So read everyone the lyrics to
listen to your sin, my friend.

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Did not know that.
OK, so here you go.

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I got a dream and I it's hard to
it's hard to read these without

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singing it.
I got a.

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Dream for the common man.
You got to fight until the end.

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I got a dream.
And it's quite clear.

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We're going to fly and diss up
here to drop the tablets.

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Go insane.
Feel the juice flow through your

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veins On your journey.
Take it slow.

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Choose the place where you will
go.

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Take the trip behind your eyes.
Feel the sorrow beneath your

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cries.
Take a moment.

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Take away.
Oh shit, I forgot about that

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part.
Take a moment.

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Listen to your sin.
Fight the battle that you must

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win.
Fight the battle that you must

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win.
Oh, listen, baby, to your sin.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now your journey has come to an

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end.
You haven't found some less to

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your sin.
You keep on fighting, Waiting

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for the day.
When you close your eyes in, it

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fades away.
It's weird to sing that without

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music right there.
You ain't no preacher in a

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praying man.
You turned your back on the

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Almighty's hand.
You got a dream in your life to

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keep our soul in.
Every night We'll take a trip

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behind your eyes.
We'll feel the sorrow

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revolutionize.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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yeah, yeah.
Take them home now.

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Listen to your sin.
We'll fight the battle that you

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must win.
We'll fight the battle that you

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must win.
One, listen, baby, Two, Y'all

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said.
Yeah, something like that.

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Something like that.
So yeah, you.

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Can do that song justice.
I apologize.

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It's hard to do that song
justice without the music.

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Ladies and gentlemen, I'm gonna
look, the music builds, and I'm

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in no way comparing myself to
fuck cashmere.

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But the music builds in a way
that cashmere builds.

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It kind of leads you into the IT
kind of leads you to believe

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it's going somewhere, and it
kind of never really does, other

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than one moment where there's a
different guitar solo.

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There's one moment in that song
where the whole vibe of the song

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changes.
And now that I listen to the

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lyrics again, the first half
really describes A

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hallucinogenic trip to AT.
And I used to take the second

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verse personally in that we were
trying to do what we all loved

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night after night after night,
right?

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That's how I always played that
song.

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Every night.
In front of the crowd was the

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second-half of that song.
To me was a very personal this

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is what we're trying to do, to
get ahead, you know, and do what

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we want to do every day.
Yeah, yeah, Yep.

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So I just found Freeman.
Oh, I love playing that one too.

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I love playing now.
Your mom's.

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Your mom's favorite vision.
Your.

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Mom's.
Oh, she loves that.

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That was her.
Favorite Never again.

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Yep, I don't know why.
And again that's the one with

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Rod about Rodger Klein and the
and when he was in when he was

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in the refreshments that's the
one that Scott was like like

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dude, you say, I don't know why
it's way too much.

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I'm like, dude, you can't say.
I don't know why I weigh too

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much or satisfied.
No, no, wait.

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Yeah.
I don't know why was.

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I don't know why.
Will you ever be with him?

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There was something in there
that annoyed him.

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He said he's like, dude, you
say, I don't know why Too much,

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Yeah.
Right, Just play.

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The drums, man.
Yeah, right.

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But that was pretty good, you
know, in all those years, that

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was his only complaint ever.
Right, right.

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Yeah.
This is cool, man.

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This is cool that I found that.
I knew it where it was.

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I just doesn't.
I wasn't sure what what crate it

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was in because I have like 4
crates out there.

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I have stuff.
So I guess title I guess we

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should say for the people who
are not watching the video, he's

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leafing through his lyrics that
he's been saving forever.

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So sometimes we got to describe
things to people because not

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everybody watches the video.
A lot of people are just got

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their phone in their pocket or
whatever.

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I got to get better about
describing things that we're

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doing that are visuals, right?
But I would say what else do you

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got there?
Refresh my memory.

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I had, I had.
I got to go back in the bag.

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I think I have in the lyric bag
I found.

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I had told you I found.
What is it?

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Where to go?
Remember full full circle spin.

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I remember the title, it's.
Kind of cool.

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Because we have there's notes.
I would write, yeah, I would

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write.
I would write notes along the

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sides of them as we were
structuring the song.

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Because I would, as we've talked
about before, I'd I'd bring in

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lyrics.
I hope there's.

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Chords.
Sometimes I would just.

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I'd bring my notebook.
There's not not on that one.

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Oh shit.
That's not good.

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See.
That's what was in my folder.

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I would bring my notebook in,
right?

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Yeah, I'd bring my notebook in
and and see if this is the

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notebook or not.
Yes, one of those boxes of, I

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guess what was considered
fucking junk had everything that

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you're holding in your hand.
Only it was music in my

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language, because I don't read
music.

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But I had a very I had a very
good system for making it make

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sense to me, just like you have
right there.

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That's awesome.
Yeah.

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But I don't have This is the
beautiful thing about our show.

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It's completely unscripted for
those of you, for those of you

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watching, you know, I mean, only
in America would somebody be

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digging.
This is a this is such a big no

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no when it comes to any type of
media, TV, radio, shit, digging

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through stuff and.
Well, let me tell you one of one

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of the biggest compliments.
That so much fucking shit, dude.

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One of the biggest compliments
that Jake gave us was that it

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was real.
You know, It felt like you were

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just having a conversation,
which is supposed to be the

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point of this podcast, because
one of my favorite things about

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being in a band, or probably the
most cool thing about being in a

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band other than playing the
show, which is obviously the

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coolest thing for me, was
hanging out with all you guys

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and all the other musicians and
the sound men and the light men.

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You know, I was into the whole
scene, like a lot of people are

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in it for chicks.
And that's fine.

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But I was in it for the power,
the volume, the show.

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And then afterwards, I love the
conversations that we used to

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have about life and just
esoteric things, you know?

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Shit that people didn't talk
about every day.

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Yep.
What's the meaning of life?

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Why are we here?
You know?

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Yeah.
Only get high.

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I mean, what's the meaning of
life?

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Great.
What?

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The fuck was that?
Oh shit.

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The storm is finally coming.
So we're getting this river of

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rain.
And I've heard.

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In Arizona for the next 2-3 days
and it's finally here.

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It's finally here and I just
heard something slam shut so I

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think my back door slam shut or?
This is a big deal in Arizona,

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folks.
I lived there for 20 years.

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When it rains, people get
excited.

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Yeah, it's going to fucking be.
But if it rains too long, then

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people get pissed because then
it floods.

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Yeah, Yep, Yep.
It's going to flood.

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So yeah, this is, this is
another notebook with just

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lyrics, man.
Just this.

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And this is one of those things
where you, I'd come into

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practice, you guys would be
jamming on something and I would

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start, I'd pull out my notebook.
I'm like, oh, oh, I wonder what

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this would fit, you know?
So what I will say is, for all

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the future up and coming singer
songwriters, the reason that

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Chris got the gig so quick is he
showed up prepared and that's

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90% of the battle right there.
You know, obviously you have to

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know how to sing to be a singer
in a band that just seems like a

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given.
You know, if you want to be a

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plumber, it's a good idea to
know how to plum.

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But the reason that we said yes
to him in a nanosecond was he

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showed up with all this stuff.
He was prepared, he had lyrics

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ready to go.
And then he wrote.

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Probably, I don't know, 30-40
Fifty more songs while he was in

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the band.
So not only did he bring 100

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songs with him, he wrote a bunch
of songs while he was still in

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the band.
So if you want to be in a band,

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the best advice I can give you
is be prepared.

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If you're a singer, write songs.
If you're a guitar player, play

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everything you have 1000 times
and then play it 1000 more and

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you might be ready to get on a
stage.

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Because when you step on that
stage, that's worth about a

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year's worth of practices every
time you do it.

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Oh yeah.
Absolutely.

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It's a whole different.
Planer.

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Planer show Live because you?
Yeah.

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No, Because you fuck up live.
You don't.

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The only the only people that
know you fuck up live is is the

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band, the audience.
What they're hearing for the

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first time, they don't know.
They don't realize that.

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Holy shit they don't.
They don't realize that that

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what you did for the fuck up,
this is, this is my cover art

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because when I used to push,
when I used to push the Mike

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Michaels band.
You And he was still pushing.

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That the CD was called.
The CD was called Losing the

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Madness, which is very fitting.
Hold on.

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I got to get my fucking readers
on because I'm old now.

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Yeah, I got to have those too.
So I appreciate you knowing

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that.
I can't.

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See anything?
So this was the this, right.

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So this is how I laid it out for
the Mike Michaels band titled

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Losing the Madness.
Our our thank you was the Mike

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Michaels band would like to
thank the following for their

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support in in the production of
this album.

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Doctor John Daniels which was
Jack because he and I were on a

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speaking name.
Mr. Marlon Burrow.

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Who's Mr. Marlon Burrow?
Marble.

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Oh marble.
Because you smoke marbles.

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Like they're going out of style.
Fucking hilarious.

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So here is the order.
Listen to your sin vision,

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Freeman.
Nothing, man.

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I don't know why.
Killing Mary Under Open Skies

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Intervention, Divine Black
September, and Losing the

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Madness.
Dude, I remember every title,

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but I don't remember all the.
I remember every title.

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I don't remember.
All the I don't remember

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killing.
Yeah, I don't remember this.

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I don't remember the song
Killing Mare or something.

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Look that up.
I remember that.

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I vaguely remember Under Open
Skies, and I don't remember

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September, Black September.
So I have to look those up and

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see if they're in this folder
again.

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I'm going through this folder
ladies and gentlemen.

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Hey, what's the What's the White
Zombie?

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And illusion dog marketing.
Black, oh black sunshine.

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It's a black September.
I know, yeah.

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I'm just thinking.
We had Black September before

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Rob Zombie had Black Sunshine,
just for the record.

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Yeah, we were.
We were ahead of our time.

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There's no question about that.
We were told that all the time.

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OK, here you go.
Oh, you're going to live with

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this Wednesday, October 9th at
9:00 PM.

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Desperate Angel at the Mason
Jar.

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So that would have been one of
the first gigs you played with

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us?
Yep.

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And then here's here's another
one where we were.

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We got really classy, man.
We got, we got, we went into the

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A game, we got a stamp with our
name on it.

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Yeah, because Scott and I got
tired of writing Desperate Angel

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April 2nd at 9:00 PM five, 100
times.

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Yeah, right.
That was the electric volume.

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That was the, that was the
electric volume.

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That's where you and I met,
right.

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Yeah, that's where we.
Met.

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Yeah.
We met at the Candlebox show at

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The Electric.
Volume the music voice I think I

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I think I just found.
I think I just found the the

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review the music voice.
I don't know why I would say

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this if if because remember we
got reviewed one time.

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Yeah, that was always AI wonder.
If this is the one which it's

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pretty stellar to be to be
reviewed where where the whole

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the whole issue is based on Rush
and if we got reviewed that'd be

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pretty fucking cool.
We got reviewed quite a few

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times in music, voice, New
Times.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

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What was, what was the
publication that Scott

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questioned you as to whether you
actually wrote the first one?

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Do you remember that?
I have no idea.

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I don't remember now.
I remember reversing me and I'm.

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Like, yeah, the very first time
we got written up, he was like,

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I wonder if Chris wrote.
This.

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Yeah.
No, I didn't have that kind of

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creative, you know, outside of
the box thinking back then, I

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would do it now.
Do it now.

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What's your name?
I remember looking at him and

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saying if.
He did.

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It was how I think.
Genius.

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It was just very well written.
I think if if I think what it

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00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,960
yeah I think well-being being
when I when I worked for the

459
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,360
newspapers and shit we would
edit anything that came in.

460
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:20,960
So it's not like we would keep
what what somebody sent.

461
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,320
You know?
We we you keep their idea and

462
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,240
you edit the fuck out of it
because sure, you have to make

463
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:31,200
it readable.
You know?

464
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,800
Got to be able to read it.
Oh fuck dude.

465
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,200
It's a desperate Angel flyer.
Where was that for?

466
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:46,320
October 8th that was so we did
back to that was Mason Jar.

467
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,200
We're doing back-to-back shows
we did well.

468
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,120
No, we did the ballroom October.
I'm sorry we did ballroom

469
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:55,280
October 8th, Jason Mason Jar
October 9th.

470
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,040
So we did back-to-back nights
for more.

471
00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:01,680
For more information, please
contact Mike Michaels 94319350.

472
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:02,920
I found our set list.
You ready?

473
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,760
Hold on one second.
Our set list so.

474
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,800
Two things.
OK, I never knew we played the

475
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,400
Mason jar.
OK, two things.

476
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,680
I made balloons come up by doing
that.

477
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,600
Two things anyway.
Really.

478
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,640
Yeah, balloons just came up.
Either that or I Yeah.

479
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,040
Anyway.
Interesting.

480
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,400
So I never knew we played the
Mason jar as Desperate Angel,

481
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:28,480
Yeah.
We played the Mason jar.

482
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,160
And for the folks listening at
home, the Electric Ballroom was

483
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,880
a big deal.
That's where Chris and I met.

484
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,000
Candlebox played there.
Vince Neil played there.

485
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,000
Cinderella played there.
L.A.

486
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,920
Guns played there.
We opened for the Romantics

487
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,080
there.
Marshall Tucker Band.

488
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,120
Marshall Tucker Band.
The Romantics.

489
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:50,560
You know, talking in your sleep?
Yep.

490
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:52,880
I think that no.
Oh.

491
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:53,760
Yeah.
Oh yeah.

492
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,600
Is that the romantics?
Yeah.

493
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,480
Yeah.
Anyway, whatever band sings that

494
00:26:58,480 --> 00:26:59,960
song, we open.
What I like about you, what I

495
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:01,880
like about you.
Yeah.

496
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:02,680
And.
And yeah.

497
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,520
And what I like about you.
What I like about you.

498
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,440
Yes, you keep it warm at night.
So we open for them on singing

499
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,040
drummer.
Never mind.

500
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,040
Let you go though.
Yep.

501
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,560
We open for them on the big
stage and then we open for the

502
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,480
Marshall Tucker Band on the
small stage.

503
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:21,040
This club was so big, ladies and
gentlemen, it had two clubs and

504
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,600
one.
One side held about 1000 people,

505
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:29,800
maybe 800, and the other side
probably held a good 3325.

506
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,400
That's where the Fender showcase
room was, which is where Chris

507
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,640
got mentioned as doing the best
version of Roadhouse Blues that

508
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,080
person had ever seen that wrote
for the newspaper.

509
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,960
Unfortunately, Mike Michaels was
not on guitar.

510
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:50,080
The Mighty Ray Stone was.
Mighty, mighty Raystone.

511
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,320
But I What was it?
I think that was more I can.

512
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,880
I can do Jim Morrison like I'm
like I can do Jim Morrison like

513
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,040
I'm not.
Holy shit.

514
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,880
Did you just fucking mention the
romantics?

515
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,360
Romantics kick and one O 6.3 FM
presents the romantics what it

516
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:09,840
like about you and talking to in
your sleep.

517
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,440
Good job, Mike.
Yeah.

518
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:16,800
Marshall Tucker Band, yeah.
Yeah, we opened for them too.

519
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:23,160
We did the ballroom.
Yep, there we are.

520
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:25,160
Marshall Tucker Band.
Holy shit, dude.

521
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,360
Marshall Tucker Band with the
Voodoo Dudes.

522
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:38,640
Desperate Angel Breeds, breeds
the breeds the terrifying.

523
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,120
What was the last?
One fucking genius.

524
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,640
I am Breed Z.
You know, Terrifying.

525
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,200
Dude, I remember those two
bands.

526
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,520
Never heard them.
See, here's the cool like we

527
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,560
were around when the Funk
Junkies were around.

528
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:56,640
Yeah, they were amazing.
I.

529
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,040
Remember them?
They were cool bags.

530
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,160
Zig Zag.
Zig zag black I.

531
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,680
Didn't realize at the time, but
I went to high school and I went

532
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,920
to elementary.
Yeah, I went to elementary

533
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,240
school with one of those dudes
in Zig Zag Black, which I never

534
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,520
realized the time until later.
If I could have been in any

535
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,720
other band at that time, I would
have wanted to have been in that

536
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,760
band.
They were fucking cool as hell.

537
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,440
They just kicked ass, man.
They reminded me of crows and

538
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:25,040
conformity Shaker Wright.
Open for them probably, I don't

539
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:31,000
know, 100 or 200 times.
Fucking this dude dude.

540
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,120
Pagers pagers 1995 get your
pager.

541
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,480
Get your pager here and you can
get really advanced the the the

542
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,880
Bravo Flex pager for 2995.
I had a pager.

543
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:48,960
Expires June 12th, 1996.
So did I the handwritten the

544
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,800
handwritten set list because I
started handwriting them and

545
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,120
then I evolved and I started
printing them and then dating

546
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,760
them on the bottom.
OK, what's that set?

547
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,560
So that's what's that date show.
Freeman Vision Roadhouse, June

548
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:07,840
9th, 1996 Freeman Vision
Roadhouse Blues Never Again

549
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,600
Under Open Skies Nothing Man Cat
Scratch Fever as sung by Mike

550
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,680
Michaels.
And then we close the show with

551
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,640
Listen to Your Sin.
And then we would always

552
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,640
Intervention divine it if we had
room for one more, because that

553
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,160
was our our estranged.
Song.

554
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,320
OK, so we played this under Open
Skies live.

555
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,240
Uh huh.
Did the song not last long?

556
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,480
Because I don't remember that
one.

557
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,240
I remember the title, I just
don't remember the.

558
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:37,920
Song at all.
We may have changed.

559
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,240
Yeah, I'll.
Have to have that flyer.

560
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:41,840
I'll have to.
Look it up, I'll I'll through.

561
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,520
There's so much, yeah.
There's so much more of this

562
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,160
stuff, dude.
I'll have to go through it all

563
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,600
and see if I can find that
lyric.

564
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,160
That's my friend Todd Smith.
Every, every song we had, I

565
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,240
ended up right on shout out to
Todd Smith.

566
00:30:55,240 --> 00:31:00,120
I ended up writing everything on
the Yeah, on on the computer.

567
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,800
Oh fuck yeah, that's a cool one
right there.

568
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,600
That's a good one at the Ming's
Rock venue that was a Chinese

569
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:09,880
restaurant.
Yeah.

570
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,640
They had a rock club on one side
and a Chinese restaurant on the

571
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:19,920
other.
Yep, nothing wrong with that.

572
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,440
Yeah, this is a trip, man.
This is like going back in time.

573
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,080
A lot of the stuff I have is is
magazines from from announcing

574
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,120
the shows and shit.
What's cool is this shit lasted

575
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,520
like the beautiful thing about
giant Tupperware containers,

576
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,680
man, this shit's been outside in
one of my barns since we moved

577
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,640
in over here.
So the fact that it's still

578
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:57,960
like, legible and you know,
just, you know, good what you

579
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,520
just said, oh, fuck.
In the back of an addendum, OK,

580
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,440
in the back of a real estate
addendum, I wrote a song.

581
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:10,600
That's some funny shit.
There's some stuff in here in

582
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,280
the back of it.
The back of MLS listings, man.

583
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,760
Because we would they would,
they would go too far.

584
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,560
That's another song I wrote.
Oh yeah, Looking for tomorrow.

585
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,240
There's a whole fucking.
There's a whole set of more shit

586
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:29,840
in here, dude.
Crazy man.

587
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,200
Music by Connors.
And Michaels take me now, baby.

588
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,400
As I am simple and free.
A crazy man.

589
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,640
I got no thoughts to think, no
memory courses.

590
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,600
The rhythms in my mind voice is
called loud.

591
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,720
I got a heart of stone.
I'm standing on my knees

592
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,680
beckoned to my vengement, my
vengeance.

593
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:55,440
So take me now.
Take me now in this world, man.

594
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,800
It's filled with pain.
I got to find my claim to fame.

595
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,720
I got to be.
I got to be.

596
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:06,000
Don't, don't, don't you close
your eyes on me, baby.

597
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,440
Don't, baby, don't.
So take me now as I am simple

598
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,160
and free.
I think that that evolved into

599
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,800
something more.
But that was the original.

600
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,800
That was the original describing
of that song.

601
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,960
Did that become Freeman?
I don't.

602
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:20,640
I don't know.
Possibly.

603
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,720
You ought to look up, Freeman,
and compare it.

604
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,600
Listen, my friends, I got a
story to tell.

605
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,160
It's a tart.
It's a tale of darkness.

606
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,560
So listen very well.
There's a man.

607
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,200
Man escaping from within my
mind.

608
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,240
Molecules of trap like a moment
in time of tomorrow are haunting

609
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,560
me Yesterday.
Pain of misery.

610
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,600
This is a rap song.
Madman's Diaries.

611
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,760
And haunting me.
Yesterday's pain, my reality.

612
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,960
Well, I'm on my way.
I got to find the place or I can

613
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,880
be free.
And then then a lot of our shit.

614
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,320
I had improv because then you
guys would let me just fucking

615
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:57,320
take off on stage vocally.
That's a cool song too.

616
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,880
Biography.
There's never again.

617
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,040
That was a dark song.
Nothing.

618
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,440
There's nothing, man.
What can I say?

619
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,480
What can I say?
I had a bad day sipping on a

620
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,000
bottle, Just wasting time away
because I don't know what I've

621
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,760
been told.
And I don't know just where I'll

622
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,480
go.
I live my life.

623
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,120
I take it day by day, Share my
time.

624
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,400
It'll never fade away.
Because I ain't perfect.

625
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,360
Ain't the chosen one.
I find my piece underneath the

626
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,760
sun.
Yeah, Guitar solo.

627
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,760
This is how this is what
happened.

628
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,239
This is the crazy man part.
So take me now, baby, how I am.

629
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,719
Leave the rest.
Separation of sin.

630
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,480
Oh, it.
Became nothing, man.

631
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,520
I chose my soul and eternity,
right?

632
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,800
Yeah.
Now I lay 6 feet to rest.

633
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,239
I got no regrets, man.
Nothing left.

634
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:51,639
Just a time that was spinning
Lane.

635
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,320
Just a show crying out of shape
because I don't believe in the

636
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,320
afterlife.
You hated this line.

637
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,640
And I don't believe in Jesus
Christ.

638
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:03,520
I don't believe in the common
man, and I don't believe in the

639
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,080
government's plan.
I don't believe in yesterday's.

640
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,600
I don't believe in social
praise, and I don't believe in

641
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,680
histories.
I don't believe in societies.

642
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,680
Yeah.
Now I believe every lyric of

643
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:17,840
that.
Nothing, man.

644
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,240
It's all I am.
It's all I am, huh?

645
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,560
Now I believe every lyric of
that.

646
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,160
Say again?
I said now I believe every lyric

647
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,280
of that.
Yeah, yeah.

648
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,160
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Now I want yeah, Here's the

649
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,800
here's the end of it.
Now I want to apologize for my

650
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,360
life.
I want to apologize for damaged

651
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,960
lies.
I live my life the only way I

652
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,000
could.
I gave my soul last.

653
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,400
No other would.
Took my times eternally.

654
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,520
And man, I'm grateful for my
misery.

655
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,960
It taught me well about my
history.

656
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:53,560
It taught me well about my
insanity.

657
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:55,800
That's that journey we would
take people on.

658
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,800
Then it got so fucking high and
just rock'n'roll, man.

659
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,840
But the chorus is badass.
I don't believe in the

660
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,080
afterlife.
I don't believe in Jesus Christ,

661
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,360
which I do.
For the record, I don't believe

662
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,880
in the common man, and I don't
believe in the government's

663
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,280
plan.
I don't believe in yesterday's.

664
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,280
I don't believe in social
praise.

665
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,480
I don't believe in histories and
I don't believe in societies.

666
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,360
Because I'm nothing.
I'm a nothing man or nothing

667
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,720
man.
That's all that I am.

668
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:22,920
Because I'm a nothing man.
Nothing man.

669
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,000
But there's plenty of people out
there that.

670
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,600
There's plenty of people out
there today that still feel that

671
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:34,600
exact same way.
Yep, that's what I'm saying,

672
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:35,440
dude.
Relevant.

673
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:36,640
Do I have a date on this fucking
thing?

674
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:41,600
Because that would be bad ass.
Yes, April 1996 Mr. Michaels.

675
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:45,720
Fuck 1996 and it's still
relevant today.

676
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,400
Topical.
Topical.

677
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,320
Relevant.
This song has no name.

678
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,120
But I, I.
You're gonna recognize it?

679
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,200
Yeah.
Oh, fuck yeah.

680
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,000
Dude.
The drums on this thing.

681
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,920
Everybody.
Da na na na na.

682
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,200
No, listen to me, Right.
Yeah.

683
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,960
I'm going to.
That's the one I had him do that

684
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,720
tribal beat to.
Yeah.

685
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:11,400
Those lyrics are awesome.
Yes, Freeman Freeman.

686
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,560
Fuck yeah.
I'm going to be a free man.

687
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:14,840
I'm going to fight until the
end.

688
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,600
This is the original scribing,
so this was written at practice

689
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,800
probably.
That's the very first song we

690
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:26,080
all wrote together.
So everybody listen, All right

691
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,040
on and there's a note on the
side. 5th song harmonica.

692
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:30,880
I don't.
So we had harmonica in this

693
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:36,280
thing somewhere.
Oh, it was the 5th song on the

694
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,320
demo.
Tell me where.

695
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,480
And you always wanted me to keep
the original harmonica that Mike

696
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,040
Hagstrom played on the original
recording.

697
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,760
It was ghosted in the background
of the track and I was going to

698
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,200
cut it off and you were like,
no, leave it in there, man, It's

699
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,000
cool.
I dig it.

700
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,120
That's what that note's from.
I can't.

701
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,600
I can hear shit when I'm writing
it.

702
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:02,800
Yeah.
Oh, gotcha.

703
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,920
OK, yeah.
So at the time, this song has no

704
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,000
name because they had no name at
the time.

705
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,200
So with everybody listen to me.
I'm going to tell you how it's

706
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,960
supposed to be.
I'm going to be a free man.

707
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,000
I'm going to fight until the
end.

708
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,480
I'm going to find the answer
here.

709
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,640
I'm going to make it all quite
clear in this world.

710
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,880
Today, we all get betrayed like
a brother of mine.

711
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,880
He's got a brainless mind.
I'm going to choose the road I

712
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,240
take.
I'm going to be the one to

713
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:31,600
escape.
I'm going to fly to the heavens

714
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:32,680
above.
Fuck, I love this.

715
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,080
Singing this song, dude, I'm
going to be the.

716
00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:39,200
This is such a badass song, man.
Like I can just, I can feel.

717
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,720
I can feel the stage presence.
You know, people tell me how to

718
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:45,400
live my life.
Preachers tell me about the

719
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,600
afterlife.
I'm going to make it if I can.

720
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,400
I'm going to beat down the man.
I'm going to fly with the Eagles

721
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,160
above.
I'm going to be with the

722
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,160
Lonesome Dove.
I'm going to ask the questions

723
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,560
why, why everybody's.
I'm going to ask the questions

724
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,840
here why everybody's got to
disappear.

725
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:07,040
Listen, children, to my mind,
I'm a victim of senseless crime.

726
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,440
I'm going to tell you about the
afterlife.

727
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,160
I'm going to tell you what
happened last night.

728
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,920
I'm going to tell you about my
insanity.

729
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,640
I'm going to tell you about my
misery.

730
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,240
That was such a fucking great
song, dude.

731
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,600
And not just lyrically, just
everything that we did with

732
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,880
that, that, that just fucking
just reading that dude.

733
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,400
It's like, fuck, that was a good
song.

734
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,320
Such a good song.
There's the original fucking pan

735
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,760
of listen to your sin, man.
Yeah, so when we were.

736
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,040
Fucking thing of Listen to your
sin.

737
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,320
Freeman.
That's the time that Scott told

738
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,840
me that nobody ever asked him to
play more drums.

739
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,560
I told him to hit him harder and
play a lot more.

740
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:45,800
I didn't know.
I didn't know.

741
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,480
I didn't know the word tribal
yet.

742
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,280
You know, I was fucking stupid.
You know, I grew up in the

743
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:53,560
middle of a.
Corner because it wasn't a thing

744
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:54,600
I.
Didn't know anything about

745
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,600
Tribal, so all I knew to tell
him was, I need you to hit those

746
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,920
drums right there.
A lot more and a lot harder.

747
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,120
And he just started laughing.
He's like, nobody ever told me

748
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,560
to play more or hit him harder,
but I can do that.

749
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,160
So he started playing that
rhythm that you know and love

750
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,360
and I was like, yeah, that's it.
That's what I want to hear.

751
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,160
Because there's not a lot of
guitar in that song.

752
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,040
It's the same three chords.
It's like ACDC.

753
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:24,920
Yeah, but fucking what a song,
dude.

754
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:25,520
What?
A.

755
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,400
Oh, and kicked ass.
No question.

756
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:28,320
I agree with you.
A.

757
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,840
Million on his.
It was so much fun to play.

758
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:38,360
So here is the first dude, all
that shit was fun to play.

759
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,080
Here's the very first poem I
ever had published in high

760
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,000
school.
That's when everybody's like,

761
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,000
holy shit, Chris has a soul,
man.

762
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,200
That's awesome.
They just thought it was this

763
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,120
dude.
Want to hear it?

764
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,360
It's pretty.
Cool touch of Gray in the early

765
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,080
morning mist as the in the early
morning mist as the sunrise

766
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,800
steals the sky.
We see a gentle person walking

767
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,920
slowly by.
Her kindness and caring fills

768
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,040
the sky with life with no need
for sunlight.

769
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,560
For her love is oh so bright.
Living her life, taking it day

770
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,640
by day for all the friends she's
made makes her wealthier every

771
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,040
day.
As this day goes on the sunsets

772
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,920
far below.
We all know she's leaving, as

773
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,840
time has told us so I had no
idea who that was fucking about,

774
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,720
but that was a hell of a that
was a hell of a home.

775
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,960
That's awesome.
Holy shit, this is the fucking.

776
00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:35,120
OK, so this is the entire
welcome to my mind catalog that

777
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,480
I wrote.
Fuck.

778
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,080
Welcome my mind one and two.
That's crazy, man.

779
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:48,040
So that is fucking crazy.
When you and I first met, that

780
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,680
was one of the first things you
wanted to do.

781
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,200
When we got up and rolling as a
band.

782
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,240
He shows up at my apartment,
Part 2.

783
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:02,360
I want to write Part 2 of this
epilogue that I have and I want

784
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,240
like.
Crazy, and I have it right

785
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,480
there.
Music in the background.

786
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,240
It's going to be a spoken word.
And I was totally down for it.

787
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:14,400
But I had never like, really
dove into anything like that.

788
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,560
I didn't understand it.
So you kind of walk me through

789
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,960
what it was, what your vision of
it was like.

790
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:27,480
You had an amazing ability to
put into words for me to

791
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,600
visualize it as music, and I
don't know any other way to

792
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,280
describe it other than that,
other than you could speak a

793
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,200
language that I could
understand.

794
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,560
I could not understand it, I
could translate it into music

795
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,400
it.
Was just right.

796
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,360
Yeah, I know I.
And I've told you that before,

797
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,760
that of everybody I've ever
worked with, musically, you're

798
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,560
the one person I could walk into
the room and say here, here, I

799
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,960
wrote this song last night.
And by either the end of

800
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,560
practice or the next time we had
practice, you'd have music for

801
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:00,920
it.
And then we would bring it to

802
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,480
Scott and Rick and and then all
of a sudden we had a song.

803
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,720
Nobody else has ever been able
to do that in in all of my years

804
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:11,280
of of writing music.
And you know, that's the one

805
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,960
thing we just we just had that
man.

806
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,720
It's just I don't know what it
was about us.

807
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:20,440
So to answer a question that.
That you know.

808
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:26,280
To answer a question that I get
asked a lot, which is if you

809
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,800
love it so much, why don't you
still do it?

810
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,080
To Chris's point, it's not that
easy.

811
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:39,680
A lot of things have to happen
in the right order, at the right

812
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:46,480
time, or it never will happen
because it's not enough to be a

813
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,560
good singer, It's not enough to
be a good guitar player.

814
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,840
You have to have an X Factor
that nobody else has that makes

815
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,560
you stand out from the crowd.
And I'll tell you what mine was,

816
00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:03,080
he just described it.
If you ask me to describe an

817
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:07,080
emotion in words, I used to be
tongue tied.

818
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:11,240
So this podcast has helped a lot
with my being able to convey

819
00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:14,600
into words what I'm actually
hearing in my mind, which I

820
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,920
didn't do a lot and I was bad at
it.

821
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,720
So I got misunderstood a lot
because I'm not angry, I'm not a

822
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:25,800
mad person, but if you ask me to
describe an emotion musically,

823
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,560
I'll do it right now.
Ask me how I feel, I'll play how

824
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,240
I feel.
If I'm sad, it's going to sound

825
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:34,520
sad.
If I'm happy, it's going to

826
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,600
sound happy.
I know how to convey things

827
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,880
musically, and that was my gift
when we wrote a song called

828
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,080
Window of Hell.
It's just such an intense song

829
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:49,560
because it's a guy evaluating
his life at the end of it and

830
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,360
realizing that he's fucked and
this is where he's going.

831
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,880
And Chris describes it in a way
that just blew my mind.

832
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,920
And I thought when this solo
comes up, I have to take over

833
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,360
for what he's conveying to the
audience right now.

834
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,160
And the best compliment I ever
got was from a guy named Toby.

835
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,200
I can't remember his last name.
He was a guitar player for a

836
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,440
band called the Diesel Dogs.
We opened up for him at Joe's

837
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,240
Grotto.
He came up when we got done

838
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:23,040
playing that song that night.
And he's like, dude, when you

839
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,800
hit that solo, all I saw was
like bones crushing.

840
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,600
And I don't know any other way
to describe it other than all I

841
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,240
saw was just bone shattering all
over and I hugged him.

842
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,720
That's all I knew to do.
I just grabbed onto him.

843
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:42,600
And I'm like, I love you right
now because that was the biggest

844
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,160
compliment I had ever gotten as
a musician from somebody I

845
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,400
didn't know.
Like, I love you right now, man.

846
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,360
That's awesome, dude.
It was that's that's.

847
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,320
Fucking awesome.
That's when I knew that I was

848
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,040
actually.
Why don't you say window of hell

849
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,200
And I want to oh, there it is.
I found it.

850
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,280
That's when I knew I was
actually a composer, not just a

851
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:09,320
Flayer.
Yeah, well, we were all composed

852
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,400
because we we created music and
that's what what's a composing?

853
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,320
Composing.
I keep looking away from the

854
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,920
screen.
You're good, just make sure you

855
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,600
don't hell microphone because
you don't have a condenser

856
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:24,120
microphone this time.
Right, right.

857
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,840
I I I got I found this is my
mic.

858
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,160
This is my stage mic man.
So window a hell.

859
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,440
I got a feeling within my mind.
It makes my soul withered and

860
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:37,160
tired when the days are long and
the night stands still.

861
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,920
My soul was lost in a window of
hell with all the daggers thrown

862
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,240
at me.
And then I scribbled out and

863
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:47,960
wrote something.
It's hard to see my misery.

864
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,280
I still feel the pain inside.
It takes me on a a different

865
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:55,680
ride.
I got a feeling that I'm good.

866
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,280
This is the course.
I got a feeling that I'm going

867
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,320
to die.
I got a feeling, and I'm not

868
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,440
sure why.
I got a feeling that I'm going

869
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,560
to die.
I got a feeling that I'm losing

870
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,880
my life.
As I sit alone and drink the

871
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,200
wine, I unlock the chemicals
within my mind.

872
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,520
Yeah.
I look into the mirror of

873
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,320
mankind.
I question everything.

874
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:21,280
The answers are sublime and I
don't know if I make it all

875
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,600
night and I'm not sure if I'll
make it through the night.

876
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,160
My soul is lost in the window of
hell.

877
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,080
I repeat that twice.
I got a feeling that I'm going

878
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,400
to die.
I got a feeling, and I'm not

879
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,240
sure why.
I got a feeling I'm going to

880
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:36,080
die.
I got a feeling I'm losing my

881
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,400
life.
Then there's a solo.

882
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,120
My soul is lost in the window of
hell, and that's why I think I

883
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,360
would just improv that on live.
Just my soul is lost in the

884
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,360
window of hell while you were
jamming out and shit.

885
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,440
Yeah, so that's where I had to
take over was that that guy's

886
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,760
most girls desperate moment.
You know, you read those last

887
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,080
two lines again.
That's where I took over with

888
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,000
the solo and I'm like, there,
this has to be impactful.

889
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,360
It can't just be a wanking
contest, you know?

890
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,560
It has to mean something,
because this guy just reached,

891
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,200
hit hit the point where he knew
he's fucked.

892
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,160
Yeah, I got a feeling that I'm
going to die.

893
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,640
I got a feeling, and I'm not
sure why.

894
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,880
I got a feeling that I'm going
to die.

895
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,760
I got a feeling that I'm losing
my life and then the solo comes

896
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:21,560
in.
Yeah.

897
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,240
And that's the one cool thing I
will say.

898
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:29,560
And that when I would, when I
would write shit right it, you

899
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,880
would think it was going to be
the same words, but they weren't

900
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,240
always the same words.
In the course they would rhyme,

901
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,360
but a lot of times they'd be
different words on different

902
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,800
phrases just because of the
concept I was trying to get

903
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,120
across.
So yeah, I was as long as it

904
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,400
fit.
I dug that about your writing.

905
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,120
Out of pocket, it worked.
Oh, thank you.

906
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,160
Those are things that I picked
up on, I wasn't big on.

907
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,520
That's the one thing.
I you know what?

908
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,200
I always say that I wasn't big
on lyrics back then, but I

909
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,320
remember almost every lyric to
every song you ever wrote.

910
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,320
So they apparently meant
something to me, and I don't

911
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,920
really remember a lot of lyrics
to to a lot of other songs.

912
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:15,760
Of I've I yeah, I will say,
aside from the council, I

913
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:20,320
remember everything we wrote
once, Especially like like you

914
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,680
just saw some of those songs.
I just pulled up the lyrics and

915
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,840
the melody boom right away and I
can hear the music.

916
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:30,600
Too bad I can't describe it, but
I mean just the opening line of

917
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,320
some of those, all of all of
them really.

918
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,160
It's just the melody's still
there, which just tells you how

919
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,720
much we put in it and how how
many times we played it and

920
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,080
grinded it out.
And we still, I think we still

921
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,440
always played show like it was
the first time we ever played

922
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,360
those songs, even though we got
better and better every every

923
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,440
time, because it was that
mindset that we.

924
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,800
Have that was always.
Fans, every show we have to win

925
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,240
over.
Fans we got to, yeah, we got to.

926
00:49:57,240 --> 00:50:01,000
We got to build our following.
We got to build their More

927
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,680
tickets we sell.
The more shows we get, the

928
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,120
bigger venues we play, because
that's how it worked back then.

929
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:09,960
Boys and girls, it wasn't oh,
let's go home and get a computer

930
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,960
thing, garage band, whatever the
fuck, Technologies.

931
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,480
And like Billie Eilish, let's
build this entire thing in our

932
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,600
basement with our brother and
then release it.

933
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,160
We did not.
Have to actually go out and play

934
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,840
to get better and get better and
get better, no.

935
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:29,680
We did not have this technology,
so music nowadays, to Chris's

936
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:36,640
point, the nice thing about this
technology is we can write and

937
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,520
record a song for you right
here.

938
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,920
But the reason that ours will
hopefully be better is because

939
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,960
we played thousands of times
together.

940
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,200
We played at least 1000 shows
and the thing that I cannot

941
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,400
impress, impress upon people
enough is we were not weekend

942
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,480
warriors.
So if we didn't have a gig that

943
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,560
night, we had practice.
There was no ifs, ands or buts.

944
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,800
There were no days off.
We all took the week between

945
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,160
Christmas and New Year's off,
and that was our vacation every

946
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,840
year.
The other every other day of the

947
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,640
year we were either at practice
or we were playing a gig.

948
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,800
So that went on for years.
You can imagine how many times

949
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,160
we played these songs.
That's why he's able to just rip

950
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,800
off a melody like it's nothing.
But you have to be that

951
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,040
prepared.
And that's why we got to open

952
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:29,320
for the Romantics and the
Marshall Tucker Band and L.A.

953
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:34,080
Guns and Sevendust and Sacred
Reich so many times we can't

954
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:35,520
count them.
Enough's enough.

955
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:42,280
Pat Travers.
Yeah, that was my that was my

956
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:47,960
horrible experience.
Because he was one of my guitar

957
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:53,120
heroes.
No, I got to meet him before we

958
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,160
played, and he was so coked up
that he he was just a total

959
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,080
Dick.
And it broke my fucking heart.

960
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,000
So that's my Pat Travers story.
I don't hold it against him

961
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,240
because I've been there and
don't do drugs, kids and turns

962
00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:10,800
you into a Dick.
Well, you have to define what

963
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,360
drugs are.
Don't do cocaine.

964
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,440
Don't do methamphetamines.
Don't do heroin.

965
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,080
Don't do pills.
Right.

966
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:18,520
Don't do heroin.
Don't do fentanyl.

967
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,760
Right.
You can mess with the legal

968
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,400
marijuana.
You can mess with the mushrooms.

969
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,480
They won't hurt you.
Try and stay away from the acid,

970
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,480
because that's a you got to know
what you're doing.

971
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,040
Because it's legal, man, you
know?

972
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,360
The weed in the mushrooms will
not hurt you at all.

973
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,560
They will not kill you.
You may wish you were dead if

974
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,640
you do too many mushrooms, but
they will not kill you.

975
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,520
Yeah, and if anybody needs a
guide.

976
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,200
And nothing.
But you know, I'm your guy.

977
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,120
I can't stress that.
Give you some lyrics to songs

978
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,800
and you can read it and take a
so that's a trip that listens to

979
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,440
your sin.
Knowing that I never did any

980
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,800
type of hallucinogen that that
encapsulated your journey with

981
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,920
with acid, that's a trip.
Dump dump it does.

982
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,840
I can't stress that enough.
That's why I listen to that song

983
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,760
so much.
Because for anybody, who's ever,

984
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:21,920
anybody who's ever tripped good
or bad, and they listen to the

985
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,720
lyrics to that song with the
landscape of the music behind

986
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:31,960
it, it totally captures what
you're thinking for surely on

987
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,560
your first trip, if you have any
kind of conscience.

988
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:39,040
Because for me, the first time I
did it, to your point with I

989
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,800
didn't like the line that you
sang back then.

990
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,720
I was pretty indoctrinated into
the church.

991
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,840
Yeah, I was very indoctrinated
into the church back then

992
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,320
because that was how we were
raised, and there's nothing

993
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:59,000
wrong with that.
Part of the reason that I'll

994
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,880
back up one second, I just had a
three hour conversation with a

995
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,120
very good friend of mine who
needed to talk.

996
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:10,720
And one of the things that I
couldn't impress upon him enough

997
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:15,520
was I wanted to figure out life
so bad for myself that I moved

998
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,000
2000 miles away from everyone I
loved.

999
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,640
It's not because I didn't love
them anymore.

1000
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:26,160
It's because I didn't want to be
influenced by anyone for any

1001
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,200
reason.
That's how important it was to

1002
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,280
me to figure out life for
myself.

1003
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,760
Because I'm a, you know, you
don't find a more independent

1004
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,640
person than me.
So it wasn't that I didn't care

1005
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,920
about him or I didn't want to be
with him anymore.

1006
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,680
And you know, I know they had
their own questions.

1007
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,640
So I'm answering it right here.
I just needed to figure life out

1008
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,280
for myself and what it meant to
me.

1009
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,000
So Fast forward to my first
hallucinogen experience.

1010
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:58,760
The only part that freaked me
out was you do feel like there's

1011
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,000
something wrong with what you're
doing until you get there.

1012
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,960
And I can't stress that enough.
If you've never been there,

1013
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:11,280
don't talk about it other than
it's freaky for someone of your

1014
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:18,640
skill set as a songwriter and a
poet lyricist to be able to

1015
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:24,440
capture something that you've
never done, that just that's

1016
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,240
amazing.
Well, you know.

1017
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:33,640
That song would be a hit today.
Oh, I did.

1018
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,000
There's I there's, I think, I
think six of our Yeah.

1019
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,280
Vision Freeman.
Nothing.

1020
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,720
Man, listen to your sin.
Intervention.

1021
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:47,640
Divine window of hell.
I don't know why all those, all

1022
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,760
those had hooks, all those had
great riffs in them.

1023
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,400
All of them had just a really
big fat Sound of Music behind

1024
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,240
it.
And and I think all of them, I

1025
00:55:56,240 --> 00:56:00,360
think our debut album would have
would have been one of those

1026
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,280
things that if it if it got
picked up by the right radio

1027
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:04,800
station ship, because that's a
big if.

1028
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,600
But if it was played, I think it
would have took off.

1029
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,480
And well, we would have been.
Right now.

1030
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,440
Unfortunately, right about the
time that Metal Blade had

1031
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:22,600
expressed their interest, things
came to a abrupt halt.

1032
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:34,520
And I guess, yeah, I guess in
hindsight, you know, we probably

1033
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,760
should have done things entirely
differently.

1034
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:42,320
Because my answer to the person
that asked me why it ended was

1035
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:48,600
the same as it always is, right?
For whatever reason, that we

1036
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,120
decided to go in that direction
at that moment in time and not

1037
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,760
give you the time to take care
of whatever you were dealing

1038
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,560
with was the biggest mistake we
ever made.

1039
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,720
Because everything got worse
from that point forward.

1040
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,120
You know, we got better gigs for
a short time, right?

1041
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,720
But had you still been there?
But Rick, Rick and nothing to.

1042
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,720
That whole rocket ship was ready
to take off.

1043
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:15,600
Rick would if he was here right
now in the middle of us having a

1044
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,840
three-way conversation, and I
hope to do that one of these

1045
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:20,840
days.
Get him on here, he would admit.

1046
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:21,920
Man he did the best.
He.

1047
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,320
Could with what he had.
You were.

1048
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,520
The way I described it to the
person that asked the question

1049
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,360
was you were a force to be
reckoned with man.

1050
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:35,120
You commanded a stage the way a
front man needed to, and you

1051
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,680
can't just replace that even
with even if Rick had been the

1052
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,880
greatest singer on the planet,
it's not going to replace the

1053
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:48,160
charisma, right?
If we were failing in any way,

1054
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,120
you knew how to draw a crowd
back.

1055
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,440
Yeah, that's just because I'm
stubborn, man.

1056
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,400
Well, and that can.
But see, a part of that too is

1057
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,560
because I didn't.
It was a lot of it was what I

1058
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,400
did before.
Before I found before we found

1059
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,440
each other at at the ballroom
when I was and for those of you

1060
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,120
who don't know the story, I was,
the Candlebox was playing and I

1061
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:13,520
was singing along with Kevin
Martin.

1062
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,440
And after every song this long
haired hippie dude would turn

1063
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,280
around and look at me like and
give me a look like shut the

1064
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:20,920
fuck up.
And then like we'd kind of

1065
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,560
chuckle whatever.
And then the next song would

1066
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:24,880
come on and I would, I would
sing it verbatim and he'd

1067
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,520
fucking.
Soon as the song was over, he'd

1068
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:31,000
turn fucking back around, like
really what he was doing I more

1069
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,760
now looking back on it was like,
holy shit, this dude behind me

1070
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:34,440
can sing.
He's.

1071
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:35,880
Singing.
Yeah, I wasn't pissed at all.

1072
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:36,600
I was.
Pissed.

1073
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,840
That's not a fucking easy feat,
right?

1074
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,760
That wasn't an easy feat by any
way, shape or form.

1075
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,680
Cause back in the day, Kevin
Martin was the fucking shit,

1076
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:45,640
man.
He had great.

1077
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,240
Voice.
So half the stage goes out with

1078
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,960
electrical issues, right, And
Mike turns around again and

1079
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,640
hands me this business card to
you, a singer.

1080
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,720
And I'm like, I don't know.
And that's how we met and

1081
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,520
that's.
And then I think I called you a

1082
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,120
couple days later and then like
you said, I went to practice

1083
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,520
with my bag of lyrics and that's
like, fucking game on.

1084
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:07,400
So yeah, I came prepared, but
there was no apprehension from

1085
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,440
me because I already, quote, UN
quote auditioned for you without

1086
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,920
realizing that I was auditioning
for you because I was just

1087
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:18,200
having a good time singing along
with Kevin Candlebox, you know?

1088
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:22,320
So it'd be a little bit
different, I think, if if I

1089
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:27,080
showed up at the practice pad
and fucking you never heard me

1090
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,400
sing before, you had no idea
what my range was, You had no

1091
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,680
idea what I was capable of.
And then, well, here's my bag of

1092
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,800
lyrics, man, you know what I
mean?

1093
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,920
It would have been a different.
It would have been a different

1094
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,400
thing.
Because thinking back on it.

1095
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:45,640
But I already I already in.
When I went to Scott's The night

1096
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:50,960
after the candle box concert, I
think my exact words were very

1097
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,160
close to my exact words.
Whether our prayers have been

1098
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:58,560
answered, like no more looking
for a singer.

1099
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,040
That's why we met you at the
bar.

1100
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,120
All he cared about was that you
guys vibe together and that you

1101
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,720
didn't give him a creeper vibe.
Because we had auditioned so

1102
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,960
many singers and so many bass
players and so many of these

1103
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,160
guys, you could tell we're
living out of the fucking trunk

1104
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,520
of their car.
You know they stunk.

1105
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:23,320
And we had like probably, I
don't know, $15,000 worth of

1106
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,520
gear in there.
You know, vintage Marshall amps

1107
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:30,480
and Fender amps.
And sure, eventually Scott was

1108
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,080
actually playing Eric Singer's
drum kit.

1109
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,560
For those of you at home that
don't know who Eric Singer is,

1110
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:40,680
he's currently the drummer and
KISS and has been for, you know,

1111
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:44,960
30 some years.
So, not the original, but he's a

1112
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,320
big deal.
So Scott actually bought his

1113
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,320
drums.
He left them at Jason Rainey's

1114
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,400
apartment, and Jason said for
600 bucks, just get them out of

1115
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,320
my apartment.
Brand new, double bass,

1116
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,840
beautiful.
Probably a $2000 kit back then,

1117
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:03,200
you know?
So that's awesome.

1118
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,760
Yeah, I would say that you had
the gig from the get go.

1119
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,280
We just needed to get drunk with
you once and that didn't take

1120
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,160
long.
And I think we went back and

1121
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:20,120
wrote Freeman that first day.
I think, yeah, yeah, I remember.

1122
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:21,880
I don't remember.
I don't remember meeting at the

1123
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,080
bar, to be honest with you, but
I remember the first practice

1124
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,280
going in.
That's because we got drunk.

1125
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,360
Like, OK, this is cool, you
know?

1126
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:32,800
And yeah, and I always liked, I
always liked when we would jam

1127
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,080
and then we'd take breaks and
we'd sit on his, his stoop.

1128
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,840
If you want to call it a stoop
and we'd bullshit.

1129
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,080
You guys would smoke and you
know, I'd.

1130
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,120
I'd read shit.
And hey, I got this, I got that.

1131
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,040
What do you think about this?
We talked about what we just

1132
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,920
played and, you know, game plan
and shit and we'd go back in and

1133
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,600
jam again, you know?
Yeah.

1134
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,320
And so Kerry told us to fucking
stop, I think, for the most

1135
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,640
part.
Yeah, we got cut off when the

1136
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:01,960
kids had to go to bed, Yeah.
Yeah, which work to get would

1137
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,840
because we had just had, we had
either we just had Sky or we

1138
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:06,360
were about to have Sky, my
daughter.

1139
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,160
So, you know, that always kind
of worked out well, because then

1140
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:11,640
I wouldn't get too much shit
from Nikki.

1141
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,400
Well, I can tell you one thing.
And the truth be told, our very

1142
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,240
Yeah.
I can tell you one thing about

1143
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:20,320
those kids.
Not one of them was afraid of

1144
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:24,760
loud noises.
No, and they shouldn't be.

1145
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,680
They had a heavy metal band or a
rock band in their living room

1146
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:34,320
from birth.
Right.

1147
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:42,440
Yeah, yeah.
Well, so you were going down the

1148
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,840
path of of the the end of
Nemesis.

1149
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:51,800
Well, that's eventually why it
ended was there was nowhere left

1150
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:56,760
to go without the vision that I
had in my head.

1151
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:00,240
You know, once again, I'm no
Jimmy Page, but I stole a lot of

1152
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:04,360
ideas from him and right.
Led Zeppelin was something that

1153
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,520
he saw in his head, but he.
Steals everything from everyone.

1154
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:12,360
So and the only concept that I
stole from him was it's all for

1155
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:17,160
one you know there without you
there was no Nemesis.

1156
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,960
Without me there was no Nemesis
Without Scott there was no you

1157
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,360
there.
We were not interchangeable

1158
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:26,600
parts because to quotes the
mighty James Hetfield, who just

1159
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,880
quoted this recently,
independently.

1160
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,440
We are not that great of
musicians, you know, we're

1161
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,320
average players.
So are we.

1162
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,640
But together we were fucking
magical.

1163
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:42,400
But together?
We were magical, and that's

1164
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,600
exactly what metallic is, he
said.

1165
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,960
We go in there and we hammer it
out and something happens that I

1166
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,560
can't tell you in words what it
is.

1167
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,840
I couldn't tell you what it was.
For us.

1168
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,640
It just worked.
And it was beautiful because

1169
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:01,400
there were no egos.
There was no argument arguing

1170
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:06,120
there was no, I think, you know,
I should be able to do this that

1171
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:09,520
way, or why can't I do whatever?
There was none of that.

1172
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,320
There was.
Do you think this would benefit

1173
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,400
this section of the song, you
know?

1174
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:20,200
Or occasionally, Chris would
say, I like this part for my

1175
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,600
verse and I like this part for
my chorus.

1176
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,320
But you guys are calling in the
opposite.

1177
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,400
And Scott and I would be like,
we don't care.

1178
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,320
What the fuck would I call it?
Just, you know, you call it what

1179
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,280
you need to call it and we'll
just play the music.

1180
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,560
Do you want us to play it in the
same order, different order?

1181
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:38,640
What do you want?
We just want to jam, man, you

1182
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:39,360
know?
Yeah.

1183
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:39,880
And that.
Yeah.

1184
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,960
Yep.
We were true musicians.

1185
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,240
The problem?
The problem with a lot of bands,

1186
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:53,480
to put this into more psychology
terms, is somebody wants to be

1187
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:59,120
what somebody else already is.
So we didn't have anyone that

1188
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:03,160
wanted to be you.
Nobody wanted to be Scott.

1189
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,960
No.
You know, I know Rick wanted to

1190
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,840
be a guitar player, but he was
super happy being a bass player

1191
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,400
in a working band, so he never
bitched about that.

1192
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,520
Yeah, yeah.
And I I think the other thing

1193
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:21,040
too is you know, we you from
from a band standpoint, you have

1194
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:24,160
to know, you have to, you have
to know your language, you have

1195
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:29,360
to know you have to have a a a
bit of a bit of an ego with you.

1196
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,200
Because, like, like, I know I'm
not the greatest thing in the

1197
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,320
world, but I also know nobody
can do what I do.

1198
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,520
Correct.
You know, nobody sounds like I

1199
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,960
sound like, you know.
So it's the same concept.

1200
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,320
Nobody could do what you do as a
guitar player and nobody sounds

1201
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,760
like you sound like because you
had your own unique tones, you

1202
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:49,000
had your own unique ways to
approach writing a song and the

1203
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:50,920
different effects you use.
The same with Scott.

1204
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,160
It's all right here.
How Rick played like like we

1205
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:56,160
talked about before, right?
It's all that you're talking

1206
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,120
about before.
Once Rick came in the band, it

1207
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,040
it changed, right?
And it and some of the shit that

1208
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,880
that Rick played changed what we
had already written without a

1209
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:06,240
bass player.
Yes, I did.

1210
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:07,600
And then?
All of a sudden it's like, holy

1211
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:09,200
shit, there's a bass, there's a
underlying.

1212
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,960
So that was the beauty.
That's the beauty of the bands

1213
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,120
that stand the test of time,
like the Metallica's and EU

1214
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:18,480
Twos.
And fuck, I can't even like

1215
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:19,880
Rush.
They they.

1216
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:22,760
And I'm not comparing us to any
of those bands and Led Zeppelin

1217
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,920
until John Bottom died, but
everybody knows their role.

1218
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,200
The uniqueness.
You don't go in.

1219
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,640
We never went into the right.
We never went into it thinking,

1220
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,800
oh, we're going to, we're going
to be, you know, we're going to

1221
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,640
be Van Halen Ish.
No, we're going to be Nemesis.

1222
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:37,880
We're going to be desperate
Angel.

1223
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:41,040
And until I watched a video of
Pearl Jam and I saw Nemesis on

1224
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,200
the screen, like, oh dude, we're
changing our name to Nemesis.

1225
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:45,800
Thankfully.
But that's just it.

1226
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,720
We're just we're just, we're
just, we're just the band.

1227
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,960
We're just, you know, we just
wherever it took us, it took us

1228
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:55,800
and yeah it was taken to
somewhere and I had shit to deal

1229
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,520
with and it's.
So I parted ways and perfect.

1230
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,840
Perfect scenario is is like you
said you would have told the

1231
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:03,080
metal blades, dude.
Hey man.

1232
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:07,720
Chris needs six months like reel
it in six months.

1233
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:11,840
Let's, you know let's circle
back around, you know, but and I

1234
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,280
said but true to form too.
I could have came back to you in

1235
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:15,560
six months and say hey dude, I'm
ready.

1236
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:17,680
Let's go.
Let's do this correct.

1237
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,600
For whatever reason.
It's just like, you know to me

1238
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,200
the door was shut and it wasn't
it wasn't shut like fuck you

1239
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,560
shut.
But Rick stepped into the role

1240
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:28,240
and that was it.
You know.

1241
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,680
So then, you know six months
later I would have been like,

1242
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,720
hey, I know you guys are playing
with Rick now but I want to come

1243
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,880
back and that would have been
awkward for Rick And you know,

1244
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,800
and it's one of those things.
It's one of those musical

1245
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:42,280
there's not very many things
that were there's not very many

1246
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,960
things that grit in my life.
But this is the one.

1247
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:49,520
Looking back and knowing what we
did as I read lyrics and shit,

1248
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:51,320
knowing what we had
accomplished.

1249
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:55,960
This is just such a short amount
of time that we would have

1250
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:59,560
filled a space in the music
industry that was filled by

1251
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:04,400
another band that we were just
as good as, if not better.

1252
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,960
Vocally I had a better range
than than the band I'm referring

1253
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:12,840
to, but we would have filled
that that gap right there

1254
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:16,279
because it was the same time
that when Creed exploded on the

1255
01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:18,240
scene that was that was like our
thing.

1256
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:22,040
Like that's when we were that
was the round the metal blades

1257
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,800
introduction I think and you
know short time after that.

1258
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,319
We had that idea.
And I always quit us to Creed

1259
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:30,880
because.
Right, right.

1260
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:32,680
And and that's the only reason I
ever compare.

1261
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:34,240
I don't.
I don't compare us to Creed I I,

1262
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,760
I, I kind of.
I put us in the same category.

1263
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,760
Because staff writes the way I
write.

1264
01:08:41,399 --> 01:08:44,200
You know it's about life.
It's about it's about going

1265
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,800
through struggles and it's it's,
it's real life shit.

1266
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:48,880
It's not.
Never Again is about the

1267
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:50,680
fractured relationship with my
brother and I.

1268
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,279
You know Nothing man is and the
and the personas that I would

1269
01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:58,479
take when I wrote the songs like
like the lyric and Nothing man.

1270
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,960
I don't believe in Jesus Christ.
Me personally, no.

1271
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:03,880
But the nothing man doesn't
believe in shit.

1272
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,240
He doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a motherfucker going

1273
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:07,680
through life with not a care in
the world.

1274
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:09,640
And he's stepping on everybody
he comes across.

1275
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:15,040
Think of the Unabomber, right?
Exactly.

1276
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,880
The Unabomber was another.
Man said I had when I wrote that

1277
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:23,040
exactly checked out.
That's The thing is it's it's

1278
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,439
yeah, totally.
Window of hell was probably

1279
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:32,120
pulled because all all insanely
creative people have doubts with

1280
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:33,439
who they are and where they're
going.

1281
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:36,840
And boy, out the insecurities
and things.

1282
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,240
We've talked about it before,
the vulnerability of a lyricist,

1283
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,920
you know, coming into a room and
saying here's my soul.

1284
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:45,160
And it's the same for a
musician.

1285
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:47,399
My soul, on paper, you're going
to have to.

1286
01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:50,840
Yeah, exactly.
Because the difference.

1287
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:55,440
Being.
It is the difference between a

1288
01:09:55,440 --> 01:09:59,280
Weekend Warrior and a cover
band, or even if you're a

1289
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,120
touring cover band.
Yeah, the difference between

1290
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:07,200
somebody who's playing somebody
else's music and having the

1291
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:14,880
balls and the ego and the I'm
good enough to sit in a room and

1292
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:19,680
create music with other
musicians who are good enough to

1293
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:26,200
play on a stage with a national
act is a whole different level.

1294
01:10:26,480 --> 01:10:29,240
Then I'm going to go jam with my
friends in the basement.

1295
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,400
And at one time that was scary
enough.

1296
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,840
You know, I can remember going
to my first jam session here in

1297
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:38,280
the town that I live in now with
a couple of my buddies that I

1298
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,520
went to school with.
And I realized that I really

1299
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,800
sucked really fucking bad,
because they probably weren't

1300
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,040
that great either, but they were
a hell of a lot better than I

1301
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:48,600
was, you know, I couldn't keep
time and I didn't know where the

1302
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:50,680
chord changes were.
And I'm like, fuck, I got a lot

1303
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:52,160
to learn to play with other
people.

1304
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:54,920
You know, this isn't as easy as
it looks now.

1305
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:58,880
Fast forward to I think I'm good
enough to put a band together

1306
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:03,880
and write my own songs and get
on a stage with people who have

1307
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,800
not only done that but sold
millions of records.

1308
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:11,160
That takes a hell of an ego.
Right, right.

1309
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:12,840
And then you got to keep that
ego.

1310
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:16,360
In check and and that's the one
right.

1311
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:19,840
And that's one cool thing about
what we did as a band like I

1312
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,720
don't back in the day you know
playing on the same stage as

1313
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:26,400
Marshall Tucker Band.
I didn't it didn't even strike

1314
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,360
me as anything odd.
And now looking back at the now,

1315
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,600
it's like, holy shit, that was
fucking Marshall Tucker Band.

1316
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:34,880
Yeah, you know.
And then playing with playing in

1317
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,120
the Mason, right?
Playing in the Mason jar and

1318
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:41,200
standing on stage where so many
fucking amazing acts came

1319
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:46,360
through and, you know, just mind
boggling.

1320
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:48,720
There's no history like that
anymore, man.

1321
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,280
There's like, there's no fucking
clubs that have like the Mason

1322
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,920
jar had that history.
The wall, the pictures of all

1323
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:55,160
the artists and shit, You know
the.

1324
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,880
Nirvana Stone Temple Pilots
Green Day.

1325
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,080
To them, right?
Right.

1326
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:02,680
Nemesis.
Sacred, right?

1327
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:06,280
Everybody that was anybody had
had, right?

1328
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:09,560
Everybody that was anybody.
At some point in time before

1329
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:12,520
they were somebody, they came
through the Mason jar or they

1330
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:15,240
came when the Tempe music scene
was doing what it was doing.

1331
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:18,320
That was, it was the Mason jar.
It was, it was Chuy's On Mill

1332
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:21,720
Ave. was that open air
auditorium.

1333
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,120
Creed played there.
Pearl Jam played this weird

1334
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:27,160
little outdoor venue between
Chuy's and and a couple other

1335
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:29,880
restaurants.
And I know I can see it in my

1336
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,320
head.
Like, you know, 200 people could

1337
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:36,080
get there and you just pop a
band on the concrete stage and

1338
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:39,040
which is really just a a
staircase going up to a

1339
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,240
platform.
That was a great place.

1340
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:45,960
To show national act in the 90s.
That right, That's where they

1341
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:47,480
all had to come through to pay
their dues.

1342
01:12:47,480 --> 01:12:49,720
And if they did good there and
drew there, then they would go

1343
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,280
inside to the jar.
They'd go inside to Chuy's or

1344
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:54,000
they go inside the bar and they
do good there.

1345
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,560
Then they come back three months
later, and then they're playing

1346
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:58,320
the Mesa Amphitheater and then
they do good.

1347
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:00,360
You know what I mean?
It's like this stepping stone,

1348
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:02,640
and the city had these stepping
stones and all.

1349
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:05,120
These real quick stones.
That that that Phoenix Tempe had

1350
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:09,360
where, yeah, yeah.
All you're kind of describing,

1351
01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:13,520
it's going to help people that
know me now and only know me

1352
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:16,320
from moving back here.
They can't believe how many

1353
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:20,960
concerts I've seen in my life.
OK, So what you just described

1354
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:27,120
to them, right, was all within
Max 40 minutes from where I

1355
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:30,240
lived.
So really, a lot of the venues

1356
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:33,800
that he just described were like
25 minutes from my apartment.

1357
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:39,480
So to his point, if Pearl Jam
was going to be at this place, I

1358
01:13:39,480 --> 01:13:41,240
would just buy a ticket and go
by myself.

1359
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:43,640
That's How I Met him.
I bought a ticket to Candlebox,

1360
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:45,880
'cause they were playing at a
club right down the road from

1361
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,920
ASU, right?
I didn't have anybody to go

1362
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:50,240
with.
I just bought a ticket, 'cause I

1363
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:51,800
wanted to see them.
I dug their music.

1364
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,920
That first album I still listen
to on repeat to this day, so

1365
01:13:55,440 --> 01:14:00,320
it's like I want to see them.
I saw, I saw literally hundreds

1366
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:06,560
of shows by myself.
There were so many venues right

1367
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:10,680
in Arizona at that time.
I'm sure that's not the case

1368
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:11,960
now.
Oh, there was.

1369
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:15,040
There's a ton of venues.
No, I don't know what the case

1370
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:15,240
is.
Now.

1371
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:26,200
Somebody's on my door.
Hold on, I don't fucking know

1372
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,320
who that is.
Some weird dude tried to

1373
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,880
interrupt my podcast.
He knows it's podcast.

1374
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:36,480
Walking around in the rain, I
don't know why.

1375
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:39,080
The funny thing is, is that's
the second fucking person that's

1376
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,440
been walking around the
neighborhood today and obviously

1377
01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:45,960
heard me talking, but because my
side door window is open now,

1378
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,880
he's going across the street.
So.

1379
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,800
Fucking weird solicitors, man.
With everything that we just

1380
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:56,520
said today, let me say before I
forget because I think about

1381
01:14:56,520 --> 01:15:02,360
this a lot, It means more to me
than you could ever know to be

1382
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,760
sitting here talking to you
doing this podcast.

1383
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:09,280
It's a fucking blast.
I'm glad that we're able to

1384
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:13,920
reconnect on a level that we
were able to when we were being

1385
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:15,560
creative.
And not saying we're not going

1386
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:19,080
to be creative musically, but
it's just been fun to kick start

1387
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:22,000
that, you know, It's really to
your point.

1388
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:24,800
When we were talking through
text messages, it's really

1389
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:26,200
triggered the left side of my
brain.

1390
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:28,800
I've wrote a lot of really cool
riffs here, at least recently,

1391
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:32,680
so I look forward to this day
every week.

1392
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:33,680
And we are.
We're going to.

1393
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:36,160
We're going to.
I do too.

1394
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,640
And we have to.
I mean we we talk about it.

1395
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,920
We we really do need to put, we
need to put some of our original

1396
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:43,800
shit back together.
It's going to be hard without

1397
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:45,680
Scott, but we need to get Rick
back involved.

1398
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,480
Yes.
Because I'm sure Rick remembers

1399
01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:54,120
some of those baselines and and
you know, I know, I know I, I

1400
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:56,160
know a drummer here, Jesse that
played in the council.

1401
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,760
That's if he'd be willing to
kind of jump on board.

1402
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:00,920
Well, he's a.
Fucking great drummer.

1403
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:05,760
I think Rick would be an asset
to you recording wise too.

1404
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:09,120
If you get, if one of us gets
back in touch with him, you know

1405
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,040
you guys still live in the same
vicinity.

1406
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:14,440
So Rick knows a little bit.
Oh yeah, maybe more than a

1407
01:16:14,440 --> 01:16:17,280
little bit about recording
software and stuff like that.

1408
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:21,000
So if I was sent, if I were to
send files to you, he might be

1409
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:25,000
able to be of help to you
getting your vocals down.

1410
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:29,120
OK, I'll poke at him.
I'll I'll track down William

1411
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:30,880
Rich Carr the 3rd and see what I
can accomplish.

1412
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:34,120
And I could use his services in
the bass playing department.

1413
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:43,040
So yes, I can play bass if I
have to, but I am not the

1414
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:48,840
greatest.
Yeah, I'm passing, you know my

1415
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:50,720
Lane, man.
I sing the songs, I write the

1416
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:53,440
songs and I sing the songs.
I can play bass.

1417
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,040
I mean, I do.
But a real bass player would be

1418
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,320
like, that's a fucking guitar
player playing bass.

1419
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,840
Come on now.
And I get it.

1420
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,640
They're entitled to their
opinion and they're they're

1421
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:08,360
accurate.
So I can't argue that.

1422
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:14,480
It's just funny.
Yeah, yeah.

1423
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:16,360
This is a good show man.
I liked.

1424
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:19,920
I like, I'm glad I found my bag.
It was good to open that up on

1425
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:25,720
on the show and fucking go, go
down, go down that line of of

1426
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:29,000
musical the musical journey you.
Know well.

1427
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:32,480
And maybe that's what we'll dub
these particular sessions

1428
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:38,560
because I I can't, I can't
express enough how much that

1429
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,040
was.
One of my favorite parts about

1430
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:42,760
being in a band was just a hang
afterwards.

1431
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:47,800
You know, talking about the show
and music and life.

1432
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:51,800
And you know, we were.
I know a lot of it had to do

1433
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,640
with the fact we were all 22
years old, but.

1434
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,560
Sure.
It's still the same, you know.

1435
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:02,760
It's still it's a different
conversation with a musician

1436
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:06,160
than it is with a mere mortal.
It's just different, you know?

1437
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:14,800
Well, and the fact that that
we're able, I mean, you know, I

1438
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,240
can't speak for me.
I mean I can speak for me, I

1439
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:19,240
can't speak for you.
But I think it's you'll agree

1440
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:23,400
with it that it's, you know,
aside before this podcast we,

1441
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,840
you know, we connected a few
times a year, you know, but

1442
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:28,960
correct.
It's almost like we just picked

1443
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:32,000
right up where we left off even
though we're being you know,

1444
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,040
Illinois and Arizona.
It doesn't to me, it doesn't

1445
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:40,320
feel like there's there's ever
been a gap in time because we we

1446
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:43,120
spent so much time together in
practice and on stage and

1447
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:47,320
playing music and creating that
you just fall back in love.

1448
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:48,720
Like, I don't have that with
council.

1449
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:52,480
Like I there's no way in hell I
ever would have.

1450
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:55,040
I would have this ability to
pick up where I left off with

1451
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:56,200
any other guitar player to play
with.

1452
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:57,520
There's only been three or four
of them.

1453
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,000
But Council being, you know, the
Hollow Council being the one

1454
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:05,760
band that, you know, actually
tried to go somewhere.

1455
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:08,200
It's not that we didn't, but you
know what I mean?

1456
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:10,680
We had that opportunity.
And if it wasn't for the one guy

1457
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:14,560
that fucked it all up with his
ego and shit, but I couldn't.

1458
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:16,640
I couldn't sit down a room with
him right now to save my life.

1459
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:18,640
Like if my life depended on it,
might as well just fucking kill

1460
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:21,920
me, you know?
Jesse, I could, you know, the

1461
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:22,640
drummer.
Drummer.

1462
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:24,280
Jesse, the drummer.
I could, you know.

1463
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:26,840
I literally just had this
conversation with.

1464
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:32,360
Josh Absolutely.
Different people in the last

1465
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:34,640
week, once you just.
Yeah.

1466
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:39,480
And I said verbatim, I was like,
it was like we never, you know,

1467
01:19:39,480 --> 01:19:43,720
we we didn't sit down and talk
for two hours before we did the

1468
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:46,200
first podcast, you know, it was
like we just started talking

1469
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:49,120
again like the first time.
We ever met through.

1470
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:53,480
The last time we ever talked,
you know, and I, I described it

1471
01:19:53,480 --> 01:19:56,280
just like you did.
I said we talked a couple times

1472
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:57,960
a year.
He'd call me up or text me or

1473
01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:58,760
whatever.
How you doing?

1474
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:02,080
Make sure you're still alive.
So we've always been in touch

1475
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:04,280
but to.
Talk to, get you to write.

1476
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:06,360
Trying to get you to write some
music.

1477
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:09,600
Cuz hey, yeah, yeah, cuz like.
Hey and I just.

1478
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:11,440
Sung Let's come up with some
music and then.

1479
01:20:11,440 --> 01:20:17,240
I just wasn't ready yet.
I hadn't worked out all my shit

1480
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,240
in my head yet.
It is what it is now you are.

1481
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:22,120
Yeah, yeah.
Look, I'm sitting in.

1482
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,280
Yeah, I'm sitting in my.
Studio here's the change.

1483
01:20:26,440 --> 01:20:28,880
And here's The funny thing about
technology now, man.

1484
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:32,520
All my songs I write, come on,
fucking phone.

1485
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:35,760
Even the book I wrote though,
even the book I wrote, Legend of

1486
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:39,040
Charles Lee's Lang, I wrote it
on my notes on my Mac or my

1487
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:42,040
iPad.
But on my notes section of my

1488
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:46,720
phone is is my songs.
Like, I just got to scroll

1489
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:50,600
through them and then and I'll
see a song like, Oh yeah, I

1490
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:54,080
wrote that song, you know?
Yeah, for those of you that

1491
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:56,120
don't know in the listening
audience.

1492
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,000
I wrote you.
Chris is a published author, and

1493
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,800
I'm saving that book for the
next time the power goes out and

1494
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:07,040
I don't have a fucking thing to
do, because it'll happen.

1495
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:11,680
It's an easy read from what I've
been told, but this is this is

1496
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:13,040
one I sent you.
It's called Trigger.

1497
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:14,920
Just another day.
Just another Monday.

1498
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:18,160
Routine is the same.
I'm the only one to blame.

1499
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:22,040
Stepped inside the space to to
power through the rage.

1500
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:26,200
Keep my thoughts at Bay till
this till this fucker got in my

1501
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:30,040
way.
She didn't hear what I had to

1502
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:34,240
say in the wrong spot.
Frustration turns the rage.

1503
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:36,960
And then the chorus was Listen
to what I say.

1504
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,280
Open your ears today.
Listen to what I say.

1505
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:42,400
Get the fuck out of my way back
to the verse.

1506
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:45,040
My life is a habit.
It seldomly changes if you

1507
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,080
wanted to kill me.
No need to be creative.

1508
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:49,560
That's the truest statement I've
ever written in my life and.

1509
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:52,240
I like.
That same spot every day, same

1510
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,360
time, Never change.
I have my routine.

1511
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:57,720
Don't take that away from me,
you stupid fucking peasant.

1512
01:21:57,720 --> 01:21:59,320
Do you realize what you did to
me?

1513
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:01,440
This is my solace.
This is how I am free.

1514
01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:05,360
My daily grind and pushing keeps
me in peace and it goes back to

1515
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:09,120
the course I was fucking angry
ass song and the whole reason

1516
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,400
that came up, this is this is
how I write.

1517
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:16,520
Something happens and it
triggers me and then my outlet

1518
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:19,680
is to write about it.
So that was a motherfucker at

1519
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,480
Orangetheory I went to work out.
I was still in my boot because I

1520
01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:26,200
broke my foot.
So I could only stay in one

1521
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:28,280
spot, the entire workout.
For those of you who don't know

1522
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:30,920
Orangetheory, it's interval
training. 60 minutes you have,

1523
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:34,640
you have in my studio, there's
there's 15 treadmills, there's

1524
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:36,960
15 rowers and there's 15 spots
on the floor.

1525
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:41,480
So you spend 23 minutes on the
treadmill and then 23 minutes

1526
01:22:41,480 --> 01:22:44,240
going either weight, room, row,
machine, back and forth.

1527
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:48,480
One is my boot.
I could only do upper body and

1528
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:50,960
core because I was in a boot.
I couldn't run, I couldn't

1529
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:54,880
treadmill, I couldn't row.
So I would go spit.

1530
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:58,000
I'd I'd go into my spot, station
10 or 11, because it was a

1531
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:00,760
corner and it was out of
everybody's way, cuz I'd be

1532
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:04,560
there for the hour.
And I would grab, you know, four

1533
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:06,760
or five different weights
because I would do all kinds of

1534
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:08,720
core work, shoulder work, you
know, whatever.

1535
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:10,800
I would do, what Orangetheory
had to be doing in the weight

1536
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:13,800
room.
But then I'd have another, you

1537
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:15,760
know, half an hour to come up
with shit.

1538
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:21,480
So I set, I went in #10 dude
wrote it down #10 and I said all

1539
01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:24,800
the way down, meaning that I'm
on #10 rower, treadmill and

1540
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:29,720
weight room.
So I go put my gear in in the

1541
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:32,640
weight room spot I go to, I
think I go to the bath or

1542
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:33,600
something.
I come back out.

1543
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:36,160
Everybody had gotten off the
rowers and moved to the weight

1544
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:37,560
room.
When doing so.

1545
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:39,320
There was somebody standing in
10.

1546
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:40,280
So I went and looked at the
sheet.

1547
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,640
The motherfucker didn't block
down 10 all the way.

1548
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:46,800
So that fucking triggered me,
because we've talked about it

1549
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,560
before.
Working out is how I deal with

1550
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:52,840
my addiction, and it's how I
it's how I find my happiness and

1551
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:56,160
my peace on a daily basis.
So if I don't work out every day

1552
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:59,360
in some level, and to me,
dealing with my yard for two

1553
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:01,800
hours is a workout too, 'cause
I'm out to sweat and grinding

1554
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:04,400
and stuff, but it's.
Serious for your mental but.

1555
01:24:04,440 --> 01:24:07,960
That motherfucker triggered me,
and I Exactly.

1556
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:10,800
And when I as soon as I wrote
that, I sent it to you, I texted

1557
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,080
it to you.
I'm like, hey dude, I wrote this

1558
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:15,000
song, 'cause there's nobody else
for me to say my shit to.

1559
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:17,160
Like, I won't send it like,
legitimate.

1560
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:19,680
There's no other guitar player
on this planet that I've worked

1561
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:22,120
with that.
Number one, I'm still in contact

1562
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:26,160
with #2 that I I don't have any
fear sending you anything.

1563
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:29,080
I write at any given time,
regardless of what it's about,

1564
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:30,240
and you don't know what it's
about.

1565
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:31,760
You don't know the background
behind it.

1566
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:33,560
It's just here, dude.
I wrote the song.

1567
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:36,440
But you know that had you.
Not you've always just embraced

1568
01:24:36,440 --> 01:24:39,120
that and accepted it.
You know that had you not told

1569
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,800
me that story, you would have
got some angry ass guitar riffs

1570
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:46,160
for those lyrics?
Absolutely, now that you told

1571
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:47,640
me.
Dynamic that we have you can

1572
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:49,200
yeah.
I mean, now that you told me the

1573
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:53,920
story, it just reinforces in my
mind that I was thinking in the

1574
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:57,600
right direction.
You know, I don't take credit

1575
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:01,120
for being.
The one thing that I also pride

1576
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:05,040
myself on is I don't take credit
for being a good guitar player.

1577
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:08,960
I am actually probably the most
self deprecating musician that

1578
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:11,120
ever lived that's been playing
as long as I have.

1579
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:18,120
Because a true master of the
guitar understands one important

1580
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,480
lesson.
You're never done learning.

1581
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:25,520
You can't master it.
You're you're a master.

1582
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,600
When you give up the fact that
you will never be a master.

1583
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:33,000
Said by Jimmy Page, Said by Les
Paul, said by Jimi Hendrix.

1584
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:35,640
There's no figuring the guitar
out.

1585
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:41,800
It's a lifetime of exploration.
So the way that I have fun with

1586
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:47,440
it is somebody like you who can
put into you can paint words

1587
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:53,280
that creates an emotion in me
that I can spit out into music.

1588
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:55,920
It's a beautiful thing.
It really is.

1589
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,360
Yeah, I like that paint.
I like that paint.

1590
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:03,600
Words, painting words, painting
words.

1591
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:05,280
Let's call this a day.
I got AP.

1592
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:07,800
Let's call this a show.
It's whatever We call it a show.

1593
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:09,600
It's usually because I have to
pee, ladies.

1594
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:11,080
Well, I'm just saying.
Today we didn't.

1595
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:12,640
Prepare a top 11 list today.
So we're.

1596
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:15,920
Just going to leave you hanging.
Oh man, go ahead.

1597
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:21,280
No Top 11 list today.
What I didn't have, I didn't do

1598
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:22,520
one.
We didn't talk about it.

1599
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:24,640
It was, you know, we just didn't
do it.

1600
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:28,480
I thought your reason, I don't
know why, pop in with a surprise

1601
01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:33,000
or something.
No, I didn't.

1602
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:35,200
I just, I mean, we talked about
it a couple weeks ago about all

1603
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:38,200
these different ones that
related to to music and stuff,

1604
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:40,320
but we just, for whatever
reason, it dawned on me like, oh

1605
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:41,320
shit, we didn't do one.
I'm.

1606
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:44,800
Going to red flag this show as
you know the one without the top

1607
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:49,560
11 list.
And without the top 11, you

1608
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,880
know, I mean, we could go, we
could go top 11, our favorite

1609
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:56,480
Nemesis songs, you know, But
that would be kind of hard, you

1610
01:26:56,480 --> 01:26:59,000
know?
No, they don't have to be in any

1611
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:03,640
specific order.
Yeah, yeah, this is true.

1612
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:07,640
So you got to have listen to
your sin.

1613
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:09,280
Nothing, man.
Freeman.

1614
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:13,960
Intervention.
Intervention obviously is in

1615
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:18,280
there in the top 11, you know.
I don't know why.

1616
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:19,920
I fucking.
I can't, dude.

1617
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:22,240
There's even white out on this.
There's white out on this

1618
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:23,760
fucking thing.
I you can't see that.

1619
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,080
But there's white out on it.
I'll scan this and put it on the

1620
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:28,600
page.
I don't know why, absolutely.

1621
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:34,680
Vision.
Vision.

1622
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:35,560
I love the vision.
Yeah.

1623
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:38,240
And I don't know.
I don't know the name of this

1624
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:39,280
song.
But alone I sit.

1625
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:42,080
My sorrow was spent.
But it's, you know, it's a cool

1626
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:49,960
song.
What else we fucking got?

1627
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:53,440
Let's see.
Window of hell, Freeman.

1628
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:57,000
Nothing, man.
Vision.

1629
01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:00,960
Never again.
I don't know why.

1630
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:05,920
That's a fucking good song too,
man.

1631
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:09,640
I like the the thing I like
about.

1632
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:12,120
I don't know why I like.
I like the melody they came up

1633
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:14,200
with because it's so catchy.
It was.

1634
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:16,920
And sinful evolved into nothing.
Man, it took it.

1635
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:24,720
It took its own little thing.
One of our later, later songs,

1636
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:26,480
Americans, I want to be, I want
to be.

1637
01:28:26,480 --> 01:28:28,880
I want to be an American.
It's a more government.

1638
01:28:29,440 --> 01:28:31,160
I don't remember.
I don't really remember that one

1639
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:33,080
too much, but I know it was
something we were working on.

1640
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:47,560
There's so many, dude.
Yeah, Alex.

1641
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:50,000
Alex away I got to find.
Remember that one?

1642
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:53,560
I got to find a way to make it
through another goddamn day.

1643
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:57,400
To.
Make it through.

1644
01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:03,120
Make it through another day.
See the photos on the TV screen?

1645
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:07,760
Anchorman talking about the
obscene. 2 little kids lost

1646
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:10,280
their way.
Man in the mass took them away.

1647
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:14,120
I got to find a way to make it
through another goddamn day.

1648
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:18,480
I think it's pretty evident that
we were broke and times were

1649
01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:25,240
tough.
Yeah, read the news about the

1650
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:27,120
master plan.
Took his shots.

1651
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:30,080
Erase the man.
City of fear.

1652
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:33,120
No one, no time to pray.
Man with a gun.

1653
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:38,920
Got to, got to take him away.
Got to find a way to make it

1654
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:40,160
through.
And a God damn day.

1655
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,520
I remember that course.
And I'm not a big believer in

1656
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:46,520
saying, yeah, I'm not a big
believer in saying God damn.

1657
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:48,880
Because I've always been taught
that it's, it's taking the

1658
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:54,480
Lord's name in vain, but it
just, it calls for it, but it

1659
01:29:54,480 --> 01:29:56,360
calls for it.
Certain things just call for it.

1660
01:29:56,480 --> 01:29:58,760
You know, it's it's and it's
not.

1661
01:29:59,480 --> 01:30:03,160
It's not out of anything other
than just it kind of calls for

1662
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:05,360
it.
You know, some things just have

1663
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:08,040
to be said a certain way for
them to have the impact that you

1664
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:09,640
want them to have.
Yes.

1665
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:17,160
You know, yeah, So, so, yeah, so
I don't know that's, you know,

1666
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:18,520
that's what I got for the day.
That's.

1667
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:24,960
What?
I got mighty fine job on the

1668
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:28,960
YouTube page, so for those of
you who don't know.

1669
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:32,800
Oh yes, boys and girls.
New YouTube page that I'll let

1670
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:35,440
Chris tout because he did a
fantastic job on it.

1671
01:30:35,440 --> 01:30:39,240
I love it looks very
professional so all the boys and

1672
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:40,560
girls about the.
YouTube page.

1673
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:45,080
It's it's at Chris and it's at
Chris and Mike's show on

1674
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:46,800
YouTube.
Just go search at Chris and

1675
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:47,720
Mike's show.
We'll pop up.

1676
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:50,920
You'll see our fun little
caricature that I had created

1677
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:56,320
and all the videos are on there.
I'm gonna been uploading some

1678
01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:59,720
shorts.
So after the shows, MM puts the

1679
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:02,640
episode together and then he
does a couple of little shorts.

1680
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:06,320
So you'll see those pop up.
You know, we do have I think 8

1681
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:08,520
subscribers now, which is cool,
yeah.

1682
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:11,880
So go subscribe to that, like
some videos, things like that,

1683
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:15,480
you know?
And you can release.

1684
01:31:15,480 --> 01:31:17,640
Episode 14 at YouTube.
That's it.

1685
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:21,800
Yes, I'll do that.
I'll do that.

1686
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:26,000
So yeah, there you go.
It's, it's at Chris and Mike

1687
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:27,920
Show on YouTube.
There's there's another Chris

1688
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:29,840
and Mike show, but they're not
as cool as us and they haven't

1689
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:32,200
done anything for several years.
It's two dads, I think, doing

1690
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:36,760
something for their kids, which
is cool, but it's they're not as

1691
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:39,280
cool as we are because.
And we're here every week.

1692
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:40,360
Hey, it's me.
It's Chris.

1693
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:42,840
And that's the guitar.
And that's the guitar guy.

1694
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:45,840
So there you go.
All right.

1695
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:47,520
So I'm going to go.
I really got to pee.

1696
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:50,960
So boys and girls, thank you for
listening to us today.

1697
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:53,560
Remember, you're not alone.
So you're struggling.

1698
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:56,440
Get out of your head and go find
somebody to talk to you,

1699
01:31:56,440 --> 01:31:59,400
regardless of who it is.
And next time that we have our

1700
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:02,000
show, I will have eclipsed my 19
years sober.

1701
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:06,880
Congratulations, your chip.
Every year I thank you.

1702
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:09,520
Every year I get a new chip.
I give the old chip the previous

1703
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:12,760
year's chip to Nikki.
So that's why I have my 19 year

1704
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:14,640
chip, because it came earlier
than it was supposed to.

1705
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:17,120
So she has my 18 year.
Now I have my 19.

1706
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:17,920
Year.
So there you go.

1707
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:20,440
Congratulations.
That's amazing.

1708
01:32:20,440 --> 01:32:24,480
Without any bouge, man.
It is amazing.

1709
01:32:24,480 --> 01:32:25,760
Thank you, Michael.
Thank you very much.

1710
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:26,760
Love you.
Love you, love.

1711
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:30,280
You brother.
Anything else you want to add?

1712
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:32,000
That's it.
Love you too, man.

1713
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:34,000
It's always a blast.
It's always fun talking to you.

1714
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:35,040
I enjoy it.
I enjoy it.

1715
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:37,040
All the friends out there, thank
you for listening.

1716
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:41,680
I keep telling Jake, Oh yeah,
And I found this thing that I

1717
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:43,320
found this thing I'm not going
to read on the air because it'll

1718
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:45,120
embarrass him.
But in my notebook, I found this

1719
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:50,240
note that Jake wrote to mom and
dad August 15th, 2008.

1720
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:52,600
So I'm going to share that with
him.

1721
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:56,440
I'm like, holy shit, it's in my
lyric books because I I stole

1722
01:32:56,440 --> 01:32:58,680
his booklet, man.
I stole his book and I started

1723
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:01,880
writing fucking songs in it like
some reason.

1724
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:05,880
Either he or either that or he
took it and then I used it for

1725
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:07,640
lyrics, man.
Did I tell you?

1726
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:09,560
I reached out to.
About lyrics This man, we'll

1727
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:12,760
fucking grab anything.
No.

1728
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:16,400
OK, so real quick, here's my
conversation, I said.

1729
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:20,640
Do tell.
I said, hey, Jake, hope you made

1730
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:23,080
it back safely, which was my
major concern.

1731
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:28,120
I said our Japanese contingent
is still at 1%.

1732
01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:31,600
You're supposed to be spreading
the word of the Chris and Mike

1733
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:33,760
show over there.
Don't let me down, Maureen.

1734
01:33:34,480 --> 01:33:37,000
So his response was.
Hey.

1735
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:40,440
Thanks for reaching out or or
thanks for getting a hold of me

1736
01:33:40,440 --> 01:33:42,440
or something.
Good to hear from you brother.

1737
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:46,640
I told him he was welcome back
on the pod, you know welcome on

1738
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:50,880
the podcast.
So he said that he's currently

1739
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:54,840
making us legendary, I think was
his word over over there.

1740
01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:59,280
So I expect to see a surge in
the numbers if he's listening to

1741
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:01,120
this.
So far I have not seen that

1742
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:02,040
surge.
There you go.

1743
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:05,720
Don't let me down, Maureen.
Yeah, I'll poke at him again.

1744
01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:07,440
I'll remind him.
I'll remind him.

1745
01:34:07,480 --> 01:34:09,760
I told me the other day, man.
I told me the other day, like,

1746
01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:11,560
subscribe to my YouTube channel,
son.

1747
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:12,840
Like, come on, man.
All right.

1748
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:14,800
But seriously, I have to pee.
I'm going to pee my pants.

1749
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:17,240
So right on, girls.
This is the lead singer stepping

1750
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:18,440
Exit.
Stage left.

1751
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:19,520
Peace.
We'll see ya.

1752
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:31,760
We're out.
Let me up.

1753
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:14,080
The None.