#160 - Don Warnock Jr. - From Prison to Purpose

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That's Dunn Warnock right there.
And that's Chris Dunn and Mike.

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I'm standing on the tunes, Mike.
I'm going to make it sound quite

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clear.
Yeah, I love that song.

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That was us, Don.
That was Mike and I.

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That was the song called
Freeman.

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We wrote.
We wrote like 30 years ago.

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We worked like 30 years ago,
man.

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It's still relevant today.
So boys and girls, welcome to

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the Chris and Mike show.
This is my very good friend I've

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been talking to since 2017.
You know how I know that, Don?

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I went to the Facebook Messenger
trying to find your number and

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it went all the way back to
2017.

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Chris, I think it, I think it
started with Skyler, if I

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remember right.
Probably, probably, yeah.

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But yeah, so we've we 2017 man,
and we met kind of via Paul

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Marshall Neanderthal because he
was a mutual friend of ours.

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Yeah, mutual friend of ours.
So yeah, welcome to the show,

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Don.
How?

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Are you man, absolutely welcome.
Thank you both.

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Thank you.
Yeah.

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Yeah, as, as everybody can
clearly see, Don's a Kansas City

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Chiefs fan.
Slow down with the booze.

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Slow down with the booze.
Yeah, I know, brother.

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I know.
Yeah.

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So, so first time they're not
going to make the they're not

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going to win the division since
2015, right?

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Brutal it has been.
A brutal season, my friend.

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I know, my God, I know.
Really.

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But at your expense.
I made a good amount of money

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because I knew the Titans were
going to win that game and they

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were a huge, not a huge, but
they were sizeable underdogs so.

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Thank you.
You should have, yeah, you

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should have won big, man,
because they were, they were one

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underdogs, correct?
Yes, yeah.

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And I told my dad he's my
witness.

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Before I left breakfast on
Sunday morning, I said if I were

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you, I'd take the Titans.
They're going to win that game.

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They have the best defense since
the 85 Bears in my opinion.

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Well, Bears.
Yeah, the bears.

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That's my team.
So, so I I have, I have Patrick

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Mahomes on my fantasy team and I
cut him today.

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Why?
He's actually the one guy having

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a good season.
He got me 6 points man.

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Six.
Well, that's the last.

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Game Chris Mahomes Mahomes is
not the yellow gloves yellow

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right he's he he's gone downhill
in in fantasy like legit the

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last couple two or three games
he's like 11 points 12 points 6

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points not as bad as Jalen hurts
last night who got.

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I know 1.43.
So, so I was playing this guy

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right and and I had the Chargers
defense and I had Dicker.

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The kicker, he had Jalen Hurts
at the beginning of the game.

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He was 98% projected to win.
I ended up winning by 10 points

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because of the defence and
Dicker because Jalen had such a

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bad game.
That wasn't very happy, yeah.

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It was brutal.
That was very fun to watch.

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And then I and I bet on the
Chargers to win, so that was

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cool too.
So I was happy about that. 2

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upsets and one weekend that was
pretty.

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Awesome.
Yeah, I know.

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Yeah, Yeah.
Yeah, it was.

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Yeah, something.
Good thing I'm not that man,

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Mike.
Well, I'll tell you where, and

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Chris is starting to learn this
too.

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You have to remember that your
money is a fan of no team.

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I always say my money has no
allegiances, right?

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It's going out there trying.
I call them little soldiers.

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My little soldiers are going out
there trying to bring back more

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troops, right?
Sometimes they get massacred on

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the beachfront, but the idea is
for them to bring back friends.

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So, so I was going to ask you
something, Don, I completely

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forgot.
I don't know what it is, man.

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No, you're fine.
You're fine.

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I forgot.
Oh, we're wide open.

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So we're wide open, Chris.
Well, so so the chiefs, right,

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because you've heard all the I
mean, you, you heard all this,

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this stuff with the referees and
and the the calls, making calls,

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missing calls, things like that.
So, so I'm, I'm so being being a

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giants fan light, right?
When when, when they're playing

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the Dub Bears and six guys
collided on on Jackson Dart and

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knocked his helmet off,
concussed him and there was no

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flag.
I'm like, OK, what's up with

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that?
It was obviously, it was brutal.

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Pretty obvious.
There, there, right there was

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one where where our guy was our
kick, our kick off return guy

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was running and they laid him
out no flag.

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So that kind of stuff like last
night Barkley ripped off that 52

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yard run because a dude was
hugging, literally hugging A

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defensive lineman and and then
call it the referee at one point

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in time last night's game was
standing in the background when

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I think it was Philly's kick
returner got the ball, took two

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steps forward and then a Charger
guy basically grabbed his helmet

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and it turned it.
The referee's in the background.

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Couldn't see it.
Didn't call it man.

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You see the helmet go this way.
Yeah.

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There were two same thing.
There were two egregious fouls

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in the Packers Bears game that
weren't called, and that thing I

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sent you was.
Like you are correct.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I saw the highlights on that,

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yeah.
So, so where I'm going with

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that, Mister Don Warnock, where
I'm going with that man is being

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that you're a Kansas City Chiefs
fan and they've pretty much

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owned the NFL and Patrick Holmes
is the poster child for the NFL

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as well as State Farm.
What do you, what's your what's

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your take on on the calls that
are not being made?

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And, and, and take the take the
fact that you love the Chiefs

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out of the equation here.
Do you see stuff?

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You're like damn, they should
have called that like we got

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lucky.
You know it.

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We'll go clear back to the
toothbrush.

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OK, yeah, fucking.
Toothbrush.

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Yeah, man, Philly.
I don't know how they missed

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those calls.
I don't either, they're always

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offsides.
They're always offsides, dude.

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Every, every, every down on
Tishbush.

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Every down.
Yeah, yeah, it's ridiculous.

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Always offsides.
So again, that's outside the

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Chiefs, but sure.
And, and I do love Philly, Don't

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don't get me wrong.
I don't.

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Of course, I think they're
incredible and, and.

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They are a great team.
We've had to play them enough

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times my Lord, dude.
Well, we got to play him twice a

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year.
The Giants do so you.

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Know yeah, I hate him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I saw that.
You know, and the, and the fact

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that and the and the fact that
Barkley after last night, he's

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been eight, 860.
Well, see, so last night,

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because he got 117 yards, he
finally broke the 800 yard

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barrier Week 14 in the NFL.
Well, last year by this time he

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was he was almost 1800 yards.
Yeah.

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He's going to say he was 16-18
hundred yards.

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Right.
So he got, he got paid, he got

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his ring and he's on record as
saying that I ran angry last

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year because he had something to
prove and he's no longer running

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angry because, right.
But he's like, I can't, I can't

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run angry because it doesn't.
It's not good for my soul.

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So basically he got paid, he got
his ring, he got offensive

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Player of the year.
Now he's just going to sit back

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and I'll just run a little bit
here and there.

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Yeah, it'll be on coast, you
know, coast mode.

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Right, right.
Because he's, because he's kind

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of playing like you did for the
Giants a little bit, you know,

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miss pass, miss passes and stuff
like that.

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Just kind of he's a frustrating
player.

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But you know, that's what it is,
so.

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Don't you want to talk about?
Let's let's talk about Don

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Warnick's life, man, because
you.

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Don't know about that.
'Cause you have, you have, you

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have a cool man, you have a cool
story.

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Just the pieces that I know of
you 'cause you went down the

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dark path for a while and
obviously you've turned your

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life around.
You're married, you, you got a,

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you got a job.
You're, you're a Chiefs fan,

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which you know, nobody's going
to hold out against you 'cause

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you're a good man, you know?
So talk a little bit about all

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the, all the little, I don't
know.

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I don't talk a little bit about
you.

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What, what you know, how did you
get down that dark path?

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What led you there?
And, you know, and the struggles

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and stuff and, you know.
Yeah.

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Yeah, no issues at all.
I'll give you the short version

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because I know we're unlimited
time.

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We got an do, we got an hour.
Are we good?

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Yeah, we're good.
Cocaine is not my friend.

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Yeah.
Yeah, Mike, I see.

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I told you.
I know.

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Mike knows.
He told me you and I were going

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to get along great and I was
going to love you and I

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understand from the moment you
started talking.

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So keep going, brother.
Yeah, so anyway, started out,

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let's see, I was about 15 years,
15 years old for the cocaine to

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crack cocaine.
Wow, just.

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Shit.
No, not just your powder.

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Where were you living at the
time, Don?

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Yeah, I was living with my
parents.

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In what city?
State.

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City.
Oh, sorry, Shawnee, KS So suburb

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of Kansas City.
What year are we talking?

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Oh no, no, no, you wouldn't even
know the difference between OK,

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Kansas City proper and Shawnee.
They all run together.

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Suburb.
OK.

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Yeah, it's just suburb.
What time frame are we talking

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year wise?
I'm I'm sorry, Mike, what was

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the?
Question what what time frame

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are we talking?
Like what year?

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That would have been 1986.
OK, continue on.

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And I was 16.
I was 16.

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We're about the same age.
No, I'm 13, Chris.

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No, we're.
No, I'm saying we're about the

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same age.
I was 16 at the time.

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Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, I would have been 13
there.

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You go.
So anyway, yeah, man, I, it was,

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it was instant.
I was an addict, I mean, and it

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didn't matter if I had to steal
air conditioner.

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I stole air conditioner for my
drug dealer, you know, because

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his apartment didn't have air
conditioning.

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It was hotter than hell in
there.

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He's.
You're such a nice guy, man.

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Oh yeah, he's my buddy, right?
Yeah, my ass.

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So anyway, yeah, pretty much
anything I could do to chase

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that high again, it was an
instant I never looked back.

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Stole from my employers,
unfortunately.

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Wow, you know.
Well, all attic crowd.

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Right.
Oh yeah, yeah.

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Been there.
What I had to do?

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You're not alone.
And ended up, let's see, like I

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was telling you, Chris and Mike
earlier did my first year, which

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is Juvenile Youth Center at
Topeka, so in Topeka, KS.

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OK, So what, what before you
before, before you expand on

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that, what is what is it like
being in a juvenile detention

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center?
Like like, like really?

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So like, you know the movie Bad
Boys, OK.

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The the food sucks.
OK, you know the movie Bad Boys

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with East Side Morales and Sean
Penn?

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Is it like that?
Yeah.

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Of course, of course.
Hi, sweet pea.

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Hey, I saw you in the black
dress, girl.

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Hold on, hold on.
Hold on.

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She she can't hear you.
Hold on.

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OK, OK, go ahead.
Go ahead.

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Hello, I saw you in the black
dress.

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Girl, you look beautiful.
Thanks.

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Black dress.
Beautiful.

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Thank you.
You're very welcome, Sweeping.

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Hi there you.
Go.

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There you go.
Anyway, that's it.

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That's her.
That's her cameo.

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That's all she'll do.
No.

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So OK, so so the movie, you
remember the movie Bad Boys with

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Esai Morales or Sean Penn?
OK, Was it?

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Was it like that?
Was it like that?

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No, it wasn't as brutal.
OK.

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You know where Sean Penn is
fighting?

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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Bad boys.
Yeah.

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You know the movie.
Yeah.

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But you, you know, you had to
watch back.

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I mean, you know, they'll smack
you in the head with coke can

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so.
Just for the hell of it.

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If you cross the wrong paths,
yes.

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Really.
Wow.

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OK, OK.
And more so, Well, I got another

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story for you guys.
I've been kind of planning on

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this.
For what?

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How long we've been talking
about this?

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Three months, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, something.

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So I got another story to tell
you when I went to Winfield,

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Winfield my first week.
So I do.

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I have another story that kind
of follows along that same path

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line, but it is juveniles.
They're more so hardcore than

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like the adults.
I could see that.

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Yeah, they just man, they got,
you know.

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Yeah, because testosterone,
they're locked up, right?

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Young, dumb, full come, all that
stuff.

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Right, right, right, right.
Kids are just cruel in general.

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You mellow out, you get old.
Exactly.

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Right, exactly right.
So anyway, you know, you get

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Fast forward, I don't know, into
my late 20s, had done a bunch of

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little bits, a lot of county
time.

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County time's horrible.
I'd rather go to prison.

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Really.
You at least you get to go

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outside.
Oh wow, yeah, I was just going

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to ask the grass.
Between your toes, my man, is,

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is a hole in fresh air.
Yeah.

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Whereas county time, you're
basically you're you're in a

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cage for, you know, all the
time.

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You don't go outside.
Wow.

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So anyway, did I think, what, 10
months?

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And then I had to go get my, my
numbers.

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So that's when I went to RDU to
El Dorado.

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This is where BTK is, by the
way.

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Right, right.
Matter of fact, if if you ever

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look up Chris, if you ever look
up when they walk BTK into

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prison, there's a there's a
blonde haired guard.

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It's, it's female.
Yeah, same chick.

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Walk me in.
No kidding.

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Yeah, she was nice.
She was cool, man.

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But.
She's still working here.

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Yeah, still, she is still there.
Mike, I'm for real.

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That's crazy.
So what year are we talking

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there?
You said.

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Go ahead, Mike.
I'm.

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Sorry, no, that was my question.
What year are we talking at

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this?
Point.

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You were probably talking late
90s.

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OK, so and while we're out
rocking, you're in prison.

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I'm sorry.
While we're out rocking, you're

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in prison.
Yeah, I'm that man.

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I Yeah.
I'm doing time and out of jail,

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no.
Yeah, yeah, well, I had a

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cocaine habit, my man.
Chichi get the yoyo.

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Chichi get the.
Yoyo, I got the yoyo.

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Yeah right.
So any anyway, and I just went

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up and got my number.
So most of my time was county in

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the, in the late 90s.
And then, you know, I got, I got

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really hemmed up again.
I stole from my employer to

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afford a habit that I, you know,
I was living, living like a rock

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star on a popper's budget, which
is terrible.

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And and, you know, I stole from
the Jewish Community Center,

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which, oh, you know, they're
nonprofits, right?

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Yeah.
Not good, man.

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Not good at all.
No, dude, I still doctor, Doctor

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Todd Ephraim.
He was my boss.

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Hi, Doctor Todd.
I I will never.

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Yeah.
Doctor Todd.

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Yeah.
So anyway, I will never live

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that down.
Here, I'll make, I'll make you

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feel better.
To me, it's no, it's no better

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or worse that you stole from
anyone.

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It doesn't mean, it doesn't mean
anymore to me that it was a

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religious affiliate because I
don't put a lot of stock in

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religions, right?
So I just don't like people that

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steal.
And I'm sure at this point in

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your life you don't like people
that steal.

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I've stolen, you've stolen.
I don't know about Chris.

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We've never had that discussion.
Has Chris ever stolen?

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Everybody, everybody, everybody
does stupid shit when they're

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kids, man.
Yeah.

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You know, I, I mean, I, I never,
I never hooked up a robbery with

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a liquor store or anything.
You know, I never did AI never

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did a convenience store, you
know, I never, you know, tagged

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a Yeah.
No, I hadn't stole her purse.

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I didn't, you know none of that
shit.

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No, me neither.
You know, I didn't buy a gun

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stealing me neither, you know,
try to run, not get too far, you

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know, in the ghetto, in the
ghetto in.

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The ghetto.
I just don't find it any more

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offensive that he stole from a
religious affiliate.

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It's.
Just no stealing.

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Stealing, no right stealing.
Likely you are correct.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean.

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Yeah.
So it's that one.

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Got you jammed up into the
prison.

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And and it's a cross they that I
will bear every well till the

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day I die.
You paid your penance, I would

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just hold on every day.
I did, yeah.

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But anyway, so we Fast forward
to 2005, get hemmed up again,

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and yeah, the judge I like.
To say that hemmed up.

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Hemmed up, yeah.
Hemmed up, baby.

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Yeah, hemmed up.
I like that.

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So anyway, the judge had just
had enough of me and he was

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tired of seeing me.
And he goes, well, you're,

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you're going to serve out three
years in prison.

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And I asked, asked the judge who
the judge was super cool, other

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than, you know, he sent me away
for three years, but.

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Well.
It's it's.

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It's was So what that was well,
so your juvenile stuff that

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doesn't count towards your
permanent record right, because

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once you once you turn it so the
only words really jammed up

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twice as an adult instead of the
third time gone you go to buy.

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Yeah, OK.
Yeah, OK.

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That's good otherwise.
So yeah.

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So anyway, I asked the judge.
I go.

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Hey your honor, I go.
May I give my dad a hug before I

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have to go away from That's
nice.

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Three years.
Well, I did.

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I did 2 1/2.
You do In Kansas.

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They follow basically the
federal guidelines.

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So you you get you do 80% of
your time and they'll give you

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20% good time.
Oh, right on.

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So as long as you keep your nose
clean.

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Right.
So he gave her dad a hug and he

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he put a Shiv in your pocket.
Yeah, no, he didn't give me no

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Shiv, man.
He gave him a.

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Cake with it.
Yeah, yeah, with a pile in it,

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right.
Where did they send you, Don?

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Let's see, I went to Whenever
you go to prison in Kansas, you

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you automatically go to RDE,
which is in El Dorado, which I.

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What is that for the people that
don't know at home?

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Regional Diagnostics unit and
what does that mean?

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For us people that don't know.
It basically it's before you're

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Mike, before you're classified.
So you're in there with baby

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rapers, murderers, whatever.
You know, you, you, they don't

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have your, your classification.
So.

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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait.

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There's there's people who rape
babies.

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Oh yes.
Oh.

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The world is a fucked up place
buddy.

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Yeah, no.
Did Chris man, It's no.

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Punk, dude, did you guys, did
you guys go kill all them while

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you were there?
Like like the.

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Car turned.
The blind be talking to him if

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he did.
I didn't.

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I didn't want to get get in
trouble with my good time

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because.
How do you rape a baby man?

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I I don't that hit me wrong.
How?

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Do you I?
I would have hit you wrong.

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I don't even.
Like, I mean, I had, I, I sold

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the house to a corrections
officers, a female corrections

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officer, a really, really nice
woman, a really cool lady.

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And I asked her one time.
I was like, what's the weirdest

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thing that, you know, she's like
that baby right now.

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I, I, no, no, no, no, no.
It's worse than that.

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I was like, yeah, I just, you
know, I'd, I'd be interested,

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you know, because I'm fascinated
with the penal system and stuff.

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I said, what's the worst
criminal you have?

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She's like, well, believe it or
not, right now there's just an

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influx of women because that's
what meth hit stuff like that,

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right?
I was like, OK, I said, so it's

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all regulated.
She's like, Nah, we had one that

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put her baby bullshit not in the
microwave and turned it on.

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So that hit me bad.
But the, but Oh yeah, the baby

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rape, like I that's just, that's
just wrong on so many levels.

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It's it's a baby.
I lived, Chris, I lived it, it

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it was open dormitory, so.
OK, no cells.

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Yeah.
Basically monk beds and grows.

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OK yeah.
And lived across.

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I forget the guy's name, but it
raped his own kid, man, a baby.

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Fuck.
Fuck.

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Yeah.
He.

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Well, he had a big gash in his
head, so, you know, obviously he

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had TB mental issues.
Yeah.

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Without.
Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, I can.
I can see that.

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I think that's the only way it
could happen is if your wires.

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Are just not plugged.
You are correct, brother.

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00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,120
Yeah, yeah, your wires got to be
wrong.

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Just Jesus, man, something.
Backwards.

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Yeah, I got yeah.
So, so I, I don't, I don't mean

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to stay on this topic, but so
was he like just immensely hated

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in in the in the dorm?
Like did everybody hate that guy

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who target on his back like fuck
with him every day?

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Well, not not you, but you know.
No, no, it's all good.

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Everybody has a gig in prison,
right?

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You got some kind of side
hustle, Be it, you know, me was

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was the law.
And I just, you know,

427
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fortunately, you know, I got a
pretty solid brain.

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Well, other than the part I
smoked away, Mike, but anyway.

429
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,800
Anyway, I say.
The same thing all the time.

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Yeah.
Anyway, so yeah, it it was, you

431
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know, my side hustle was helping
people with their cases.

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The young man I was talking
about that had diddled his kid,

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he asked me to help him.
And man, I had to refuse.

434
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I had to refuse.
Yeah, I.

435
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,200
'Cause that would have put a
target on your back, right?

436
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,040
That would have definitely put a
target on my back and.

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00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,720
Cause at this point you're in
there, you said with everybody,

438
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,680
right?
Somebody who was tax evasion all

439
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the way to murdered to somebody
right Bear.

440
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,880
BearCat, Mike.
BearCat was I made it at the aid

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dorm finally.
Took about nine months.

442
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Then you get a cell with four
other guys or not a cell.

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It's a root, basically.
But yeah, BearCat, he had walked

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down 30 years at Lansing for,
for I think, killing his teacher

445
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or some shit.
Holy shit, yeah, bash her in the

446
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head with a hammer or some shit.
So you would think that guy.

447
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,080
Would want to kill that baby
rapper.

448
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,480
Yeah, hey, I take BearCat over
the baby rapper any day of the

449
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week.
Sure.

450
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,760
Yeah, No, no, no worries.
Anyway.

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You're teaching us something
because we've always been under

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the assumption, at least I have.
And Chris and I are both

453
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,680
fascinated with this.
Kind of like you said.

454
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:45,600
Yeah.
We just.

455
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,960
We just have the same
fascination because we've never

456
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:48,680
been there.
Right.

457
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:49,840
So you don't know what you
don't.

458
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,720
No, you don't want to go there.
We don't.

459
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:52,080
No.
No.

460
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,120
Absolutely I would much.
Rather learn it from you.

461
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,760
So we've always been under the
assumption if you've done

462
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,280
something that horrible to a
child that everybody in there

463
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,160
wants to kill you.
So keep explaining why that's

464
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,760
not technically the case.
Well, one.

465
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,280
So let's go back to RDU.
When when, when I'm in El

466
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:17,560
Dorado, they classify you,
you're either minimum security,

467
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:26,680
medium security or high risk.
Obviously I was medium or low.

468
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:31,080
OK, so there, there were no
fences.

469
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,000
Well, there was a fence, but you
could have hopped over it.

470
00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:42,600
But so you did not want to
jeopardize that because the next

471
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:47,080
step up would be medium
security, which I mean you're

472
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:52,040
talking Hutch and I've been to
Hutch did an overnight there.

473
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,400
What's What's Hutch?
Hutchinson, KS.

474
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,200
OK, you you can look it up.
Hutchinson Correctional

475
00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,320
Facility.
OK.

476
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:06,240
Anyway, did an overnight there
because they transferred me to

477
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:12,520
Larnard to go to drug treatment,
but I had to do an overnight at

478
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,920
at Hutch and it's old school
man.

479
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,040
It it is straight up Shawshank.
I mean.

480
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,960
Yeah, 30 foot walls.
It's Hutch has been there since

481
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,920
I think the 1800s, so.
At the place you're at, yeah,

482
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,720
everybody there knows that
That's Step 2.

483
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,320
And you're basically, for lack
of a better term, at the Country

484
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:39,680
Club of prisons at this point.
Those those people don't want to

485
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,960
give up those living conditions
to go to Shawshank.

486
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,000
Right.
Yeah, you are correct.

487
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,560
Because total sense.
Yeah, because the next step.

488
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,840
Up you're either going to
Hutchinson, KS, Hutchinson

489
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,960
Correctional Facility or
Lansing, which obviously you

490
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,680
know, Lansing, Leavenworth, I'm
sure, sure you guys heard of

491
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,640
those two.
Oh yeah, absolutely.

492
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:02,600
Leavenworth.
Not, not.

493
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,080
Yeah, Leavenworth.
Yeah, Leavenworth Fed, Dude.

494
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,760
Now that's bad news, man.
So how long were you at this

495
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,840
place?
I was at Winfield.

496
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:18,280
I did most of my time in
Winfield, which is about 30

497
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,240
miles South of Wichita.
OK, so do you know where

498
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,400
Wichita, KS is?
I do OK, absolutely.

499
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,840
So just down to the right a
little bit and train.

500
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,680
Don't run out of Wichita.
No train don't run out of

501
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,440
Wichita unless unless you can
catch it less.

502
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,040
Than you're a hog or a.
Hog ass man.

503
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:48,200
So anyway, yeah, it's, you know,
whenever, when you're in a

504
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,720
minimum camp, it's it's easy
peasy.

505
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:58,320
It's more boring time, you know,
it's the same repetitive thing

506
00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:01,360
every day, every day, every day.
But.

507
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:02,880
Which which can drive you nuts
on.

508
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,040
Us it will, Chris, I'm telling
you man, and the food sucks,

509
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,520
but.
Anyway, the food's not swissly

510
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:11,640
good.
You're incarcerated.

511
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,640
It's like, well, lobster, man.
Well, we had we had commissary,

512
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,760
so we made our own food.
OK, all right.

513
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,840
Oh, oh, oh.
Let's talk about commissary

514
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,080
food.
What kind of shit did you make

515
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,000
off that?
I've seen people, I've seen

516
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,160
their shows.
You can take ramen.

517
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,760
You can make weird stuff with
ramen.

518
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,320
Burritos, babe.
Ramen.

519
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,440
Burritos.
Really.

520
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,640
How is this done?
And BBQ sandwiches.

521
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,120
No shit.
Yeah.

522
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:39,320
You my my roommate, John Zinner.
OK, he, he was a he was a

523
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,760
mastermind.
You, you know those round

524
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,640
butterscotch disks?
You know the candy?

525
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:46,720
Oh, yeah, Yep.
I don't know.

526
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,520
He'd melt it down and make BBQ
sauce with ketchup.

527
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,360
And I don't know how he made it.
And then we had we could buy

528
00:28:55,360 --> 00:29:01,280
canned meat, so meat in the can
and yeah, man, we'd and, and you

529
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:07,800
could buy bagels, so and, and
cheese and squeeze cheese.

530
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:08,960
They have cheese whiz.
Yeah.

531
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:15,800
And now we'd make them, sell
them and Oh my dude, I'm telling

532
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,520
you to this day I would eat 1.
Really.

533
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:19,560
They are epic.
They that's.

534
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:21,680
Awesome.
That's awesome.

535
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,640
So yeah.
So they made it in a hot pot in

536
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,680
a hot pot.
So go to the store tomorrow, buy

537
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,720
the ingredients, and then post
it on Facebook.

538
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,360
Hey, man.
You damn straight dude if I can

539
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,920
get a hold of Zenner which I
cannot find him which is

540
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,160
probably best you know I don't
stay friends with my any.

541
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:43,600
Well I got 1 friend that I
stayed in touch with but OK one

542
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,160
out.
Of like 3 on twist or Selma.

543
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,680
Yep, roommate.
Yep, roommate David.

544
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,120
Wilkinson, that's his name.
Hi, David.

545
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,920
Yeah.
No, you know, I'm going to show

546
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,000
him this.
No.

547
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,120
Yeah, of course he.
Is is David free?

548
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,040
Oh, yeah, yeah.
OK, cool.

549
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,600
Good job, David, You know, Hey,
Chris.

550
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,200
And I don't know if I should
probably say this, but you may

551
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,880
have to add this, Mike.
Then don't say it.

552
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:11,840
But if you don't want to say it,
don't.

553
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,240
Don't say it.
Because yeah, don't say.

554
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,400
It I don't know if he's still
sober but OK.

555
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:16,920
That's fine.
Yeah.

556
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,600
You don't have to go there.
It's it's all good.

557
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,040
Everybody believe it at that
journey.

558
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,560
'S different, yeah.
Everybody's journey's different.

559
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,160
He doesn't.
He wants to come tell his story.

560
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,360
He's welcome to come on here
too.

561
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:25,360
Absolutely.
Oh.

562
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,040
Man, you should talk to him man.
He's better lawyer in the

563
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,600
jailhouse lawyer than I am.
No, right on.

564
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,960
Well, I was going to ask about
recovery and then you, you

565
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,760
alluded to it in your story that
you spent the night at Hutch on

566
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,400
your way to on your way to
rehab.

567
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:46,280
Yeah, they.
OK, So Winfield is just SE West

568
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,520
of Wichita.
Lonard is out in the middle of

569
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,840
Kansas.
OK.

570
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:56,280
So we had to take what we
creatively call the Great Grey

571
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:01,360
Goose, which is a prevost.
I mean, old school, not even a

572
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,200
sewer bus dude.
And they, they got us and, and,

573
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,160
and belly irons and leg
shackles, right?

574
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:16,880
And we, we make it up to Wichita
and this is in it in the middle

575
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,160
of rush hour.
So this is like 8:00 in the

576
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,880
morning.
The freaking bus breaks down

577
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:22,200
dude.
I.

578
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,640
Knew you were going to say that.
Yep.

579
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,560
Oh yeah, the Grey Goose broke
down, dude.

580
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,920
So they, they get us, they get
us out of the bus and they put,

581
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,120
you know, we're still in our
belly chains and leg irons.

582
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,040
And I think there were like 13
or 14 of us.

583
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,840
And they they line us with our
backs against the the broken

584
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,600
down bus and Kansas Highway
Patrol shows up, Sheriff's

585
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:53,480
Office shows up and they had us
lined up with our backs against

586
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,680
the bus facing out away from the
traffic.

587
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:03,480
And all of them lined up in 1/2
moon with shotguns, 12 gauges

588
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,800
and they go if you run off, we
will shoot you.

589
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,560
And that that would they were
not joking that.

590
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,320
Crystal clear.
You.

591
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,560
He was definitely crystal.
We're not kidding.

592
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,640
Yeah, no joke dude.
If like your dude.

593
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,920
When he was.
In We're not kidding.

594
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,560
You're going to catch 12.
Yeah, 12 gauge in your ass.

595
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:32,320
So anyway, that happened anyway,
they get a new bus, get us back

596
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:37,920
on the bus, take us to Hutch.
So we do our overnight and then

597
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,640
the second part of the journey
was to go to to Lonard.

598
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:51,960
Lonard is also minimum security.
So, you know, no raised wire

599
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:58,640
fence, no 30 foot wall, but
that's where they call it CDRP,

600
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,280
chemical dependency recovery
program if I remember right.

601
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,880
OK.
So I had already been through

602
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:12,080
rehab like 8 times so yeah it
which proves.

603
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,080
That if you don't want to do it,
it doesn't work right.

604
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,400
No, Yeah, thank you.
Exactly.

605
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,120
You're my poster child.
Yeah.

606
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:25,000
And so anyway, at this point,
I'd already been sober for, I

607
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:34,320
don't know, two years and had
to, had to sue Winfield in

608
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:39,160
federal court.
Judge Judge Sam Crow was was the

609
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,240
judge and it was an ADA
violation.

610
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:43,400
That is a.
Great game.

611
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,840
Oh well, thank God and I first
did.

612
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,880
But anyway for.
You it wasn't a great.

613
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:54,840
Yeah, I know.
But anyway, so ended up lost the

614
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:59,000
case of course, but but here's
the reason why I sued him.

615
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:06,520
Because when you get out of
prison, they give you $100 gate

616
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:11,760
money.
Oh, what's that going to do?

617
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:13,880
Get you?
Maybe a night in a hotel room.

618
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,920
Wow, not anymore.
Yeah, no, no doubt, Mike.

619
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,440
See so anyway.
I guess you have to buy some

620
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,040
more drugs, right?
No doubt dude, that pack of

621
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,000
smokes and a six pack dude you
got it.

622
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,040
Amen.
So anyway I I was fighting to go

623
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:38,400
to work release which the work
release program is in Wichita

624
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:47,960
and they they would not let me
go until I completed CDRP which

625
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:53,239
again I told him I go man I've
been through rehab many times

626
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,400
but they didn't see my way well.
Obviously.

627
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,000
No.
And so how long were you there?

628
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,560
Nobody's going to nobody's.
Going to trust an addict in

629
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,800
jail, you know when in prison.
They're just exactly.

630
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,800
Dave or Dawn?
No, nor should you.

631
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:11,720
Right.
So how long did they make you do

632
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,400
for your recovery program at
that particular?

633
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,040
Stage Oh no, I got off the bus
and refused it immediately so

634
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,440
they busted me down there.
There's three level systems in

635
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,880
in Kansas prison system.
You got Level 3, which is the

636
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:35,960
best level 2 medium level 1 low.
They busted me down from Level 3

637
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,120
down to level 1 immediately took
my TV away.

638
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,920
Oh, I know well.
It's it's one of.

639
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,720
Those little clear things, yeah.
You know, yeah.

640
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:51,760
I wish I would have kept it but.
Yeah, yeah, memories.

641
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:58,040
So anyway, and it was tube TV.
Now they have flat panels so but

642
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,360
they're they're still clear.
You can you can see through

643
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,640
them.
So that way you you can't hide

644
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,480
any contraband in them.
Sure.

645
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,560
Yeah, I.
Figured that one out too,

646
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,160
because that's.
Yeah, I need it right.

647
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,560
Once an addict, always an
addict, yeah.

648
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,720
Pretty much my man.
Oh yeah.

649
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,800
Hey.
Oh, OK, let's get back to

650
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,000
Winfield.
First week.

651
00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:24,160
First week, right?
Yeah, I'm in, I think B dorm, I

652
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,040
think it was.
It's five stories, brick

653
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:32,000
building, no AC, and it's in the
middle of summer.

654
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,800
Oh, Oh yeah.
It's like living in 1800s same

655
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:37,800
time.
Yep, Yep.

656
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,920
No.
AC and anyway, it's it's open

657
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,840
dorm, so you have bunks on both
sides.

658
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:48,040
You get you got to run down the
middle and bunks on both sides.

659
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:53,040
I think we're 25 deep, so
hundred men to a floor.

660
00:36:54,920 --> 00:37:00,960
Wow, double bunk and opposite.
Oh man, Oh dude, funk dude now

661
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,480
dude that.
Was my first thought too.

662
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,640
No, it it was horrible dude.
I know how I smell after a bad

663
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,920
day.
Exactly dude after working

664
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:16,440
outside in July.
So anyway, I'm I'm clear at the

665
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:23,400
end top monk and about three
bunks up for me.

666
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:32,000
Dude, dude with snitch, right.
So some guys from Junction City,

667
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,160
Kansas, which I don't know if
you ever heard Junction City,

668
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:42,320
but it is no punk dude.
OK, They yeah, they those people

669
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,600
kill you, man.
They'll fuck you up in Junction

670
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,680
City.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

671
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,120
They'll hook you up all right,
Hook you up to a tree.

672
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:55,160
So anyway, they had snuck up
from the third floor up to the

673
00:37:55,160 --> 00:38:00,960
fifth floor where we were.
And the, the dude that was just

674
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,360
he, he was 3 or $4.00 rows down
for me.

675
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,240
But they snuck up, man, hit him
in the hit him in the bag or in

676
00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:15,560
the head with a bag of Coke
cans, blood everywhere.

677
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,320
This is my first week of prison,
right?

678
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,000
I'm going holy shit.
And I and I'm in minimum of

679
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,960
security.
Yeah, no, they bashed man, He,

680
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,480
he screamed.
They they drug him off and

681
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:35,640
there's, there was trail blood
and the black suits, which are

682
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:42,360
the MIPS of prison, you know,
they, they come and turn on all

683
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:47,080
the lights and Kevin got me and
I'm going.

684
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,480
I don't know, man.
I didn't see anything.

685
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,680
I have my earphones, earplugs
in, head wrapped up.

686
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,000
I don't have nothing, Sir.
And they took me down to the

687
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,560
office, man, and it basically
interrogated me.

688
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,000
Wow.
And now I sucked my story.

689
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,640
That's good because.
Snitches get stitches.

690
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,400
Snitches get stitches, baby.
Yep.

691
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,960
We don't like narcs.
Nope, no narcs.

692
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,200
That's never going to change.
1st 1st That was my first first

693
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,280
weekend.
And the medium security or the

694
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:17,760
minimum security?
Minimum.

695
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,560
That's yeah, minimum.
They wouldn't even Hutch or

696
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,840
Lansing.
So did did the guy come back?

697
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,720
No, never saw him again.
Yeah, it's not surprising if.

698
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,160
There's I I don't know where he
went.

699
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,320
Hell, maybe he died.
I hope he didn't, but yeah.

700
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,040
So this so.
So that was your second, your

701
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,840
second stop.
Yeah, that was yeah.

702
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,120
OK.
Yeah, Round 2.

703
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,920
And then and now you're you're
when you're in, when you're

704
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,560
incarcerated, are you still
using?

705
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,320
No, no, OK.
Because I know I've heard

706
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,200
stories how they can make drugs
and shit and smuggle.

707
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,640
Oh yeah, and.
All that kind of crap, but no,

708
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,600
no, no SO.
You're clean inside.

709
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,520
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

710
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,680
Without a question, even quit
smoking, Chris, I should have

711
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,280
stopped smoking.
Wow.

712
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,800
But man, first thing I wanted to
do is, you know.

713
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,600
Thumb the nose to the man, I'm
getting a pack of cigarettes,

714
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,280
damn it.
Still the worst addiction on the

715
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,240
IT.
Is Mike, I'm telling you.

716
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,240
Nicotine is a evil.
It's a bitch.

717
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:16,400
Evil evil bitch.
It is a bitch.

718
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,520
Yeah.
So anyway, I don't know.

719
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,160
This is probably about, I bet it
was about a year in.

720
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:30,000
OK.
And, and you know, you obviously

721
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,800
you can smuggle anything you
want into prison.

722
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,160
You know, whatever, man, I don't
care how it gets in.

723
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,400
Whatever.
I ain't touching the key strip.

724
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,080
Yep.
Definitely Keister.

725
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:41,880
Yep.
Girlfriend Girlfriend comes to

726
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,680
visit you, she keister.
Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep.

727
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:51,160
So anyway, 60 inch TV, yeah, I
don't know how they get it up in

728
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,240
it, but whatever, they figure it
out piece by piece.

729
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,040
So, so if somebody smuggles
something in, right, like you

730
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,920
have a vision and they're
smuggling something in, how do

731
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,360
they how do they get it to you?
Because you're not I used Yeah.

732
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,800
I mean, how do you get from her
to him?

733
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:12,480
Well, most of it's keister.
So if, if you're yeah, if you're

734
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,200
smoking a cigarette, it's been
up somebody's ass.

735
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:19,280
OK, I think what he's asking
though is OK, now she has it up

736
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,520
her ass and she how does she get
it to you once she gets into

737
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:24,080
the.
Building.

738
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,880
I think the girl would put it in
the vagina, right?

739
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,160
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She, she go front butt more

740
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,040
flexible.
Yeah, she'd go front butt

741
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,280
brother.
Yeah, OK.

742
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,600
But.
So still, how does she get it

743
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,080
physically to you?
Yeah.

744
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,600
Yeah.
Oh, well, you, you can have a

745
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:43,280
limited physical contact, OK.
And the visitation, visitation,

746
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,480
it's not like the movies where,
yeah, OK, you, you have the

747
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,520
glass wall.
Not, not minimum, minimum

748
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:51,600
security.
OK, OK.

749
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:56,360
So yeah, we're, you know, like
my parents would come visit me

750
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:01,840
and they could, you know, like
my dad, he brought me steak soup

751
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,360
one day in a McDonald's cup, so
it looked like coffee.

752
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Definitely on Dad, man.

753
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:10,640
Right.
On.

754
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,360
So anyway, you know, he was able
to slip that to me.

755
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:20,000
You you can put in a drink, you
can put it in, you know, well, I

756
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,960
wouldn't say a note because man,
they they check your mouth.

757
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,720
But yeah, there's definitely,
you know, you give him a kiss

758
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:31,280
goodbye, you know, if you're if
you're boyfriend, girlfriend.

759
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,640
Yeah.
You know, conjugal visit.

760
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,320
Yeah, I don't know.
No, I didn't get no damn

761
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,200
conjugate.
I could have used one.

762
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,560
My man. 2 1/2 years.
No, no more.

763
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,880
No, man.
Yeah, it was brutal.

764
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:49,880
That would be harsh anyway.
But yeah, you know, you give

765
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,160
somebody a kiss goodbye if
they're your girlfriend or

766
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,600
whatever, you know, you can
slip, slip it via the mouth.

767
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:56,600
Yeah, OK.
I.

768
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,360
Gotcha.
Anyway back back to that.

769
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:08,120
So I was going going down my
rung to, to go to, you know, my

770
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,120
bunk.
Yeah, These, these are my first,

771
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,760
man.
They were smoking crack cocaine

772
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:13,600
in there.
I'm going.

773
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,200
Wow.
No, I just kept going, dude.

774
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,080
Now I didn't.
I didn't even look at it.

775
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,360
Good job.
And, and not just because of me,

776
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,320
I just didn't want anything to
do with that.

777
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,880
I I don't want to be around it.
I don't want to be caught with

778
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,000
it and.
I could imagine, I could imagine

779
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,840
once you once, once the first
time in juvie, right then when

780
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,000
you're an adult, you're going in
that and you hear that cliche.

781
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,320
Once the door closes, you're
like, holy shit moment.

782
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,360
Like fuck, what have I done with
my thing?

783
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,760
Right.
So I think that would be, I

784
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,480
mean, you track me if I'm wrong,
but I think that would be some

785
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,560
kind of motivation for somebody
who is still within their their

786
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,280
faculties, right?
Because you weren't, you

787
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,360
weren't, you didn't destroy your
brain, right?

788
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:53,960
You weren't.
Yeah, that was clear minded,

789
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:55,840
right, Right you.
Weren't beating people up and

790
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,000
shit, no you were just petty
theft type stuff to support your

791
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,800
habit.
So when that door clanked, I

792
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:02,880
mean you had to have that
moment.

793
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,560
I go fuck, what have I done with
my life?

794
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,800
Yeah, so I.
I mean, yeah.

795
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,200
I mean, I think unless, unless I
was a serial killer or

796
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:10,440
something.
And when I mass murder, you

797
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,160
know, because if you're going to
do it, fucking do it.

798
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,800
Unless your brain's broken,
you're going to have.

799
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,880
That yeah, yeah.
Unless, yeah.

800
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,440
And but you but your brain
wasn't broken, so that's.

801
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:25,080
No, and when that door closes,
the walls get smaller.

802
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:30,240
I can tell you that.
I like panic attack it, it's

803
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:33,160
close to it very similar.
I wouldn't have that because I'm

804
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,160
claustrophobic and I don't like
being that close.

805
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,720
Yeah.
Brother, I'm telling you man, I.

806
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,560
Wouldn't make it.
I'd probably be the guy hanging

807
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,760
in my cell.
God, oh.

808
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,600
Dude, how hard?
How hard is it to?

809
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:47,360
Sleep when the lights are on all
the time.

810
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:54,720
OK.
So, but, but you, you, you learn

811
00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:57,320
how to deal with that.
You know, you can, you can wrap,

812
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,040
you know, peloques around your
eyeballs.

813
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,000
Yeah, obviously, you know, I
slept with earplugs in because

814
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,520
everybody's a freaking rap star
in prison, man.

815
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,000
They all think they're, they all
think they're ditty, man.

816
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,440
I don't know man.
Yeah, I wouldn't want to be

817
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,320
Diddy right now.
No, no doubt, man.

818
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,360
Me neither.
No.

819
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:28,320
So, yeah, you learn how to tune
things out is the best way I can

820
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,120
describe it.
OK.

821
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:37,760
You know, And Mike, this will
allude to kind of well, you ran

822
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:43,640
Chris's question why it was so
hot in there again, basically

823
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,440
it's it's a freaking pizza oven.
It's brick.

824
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,640
They they did have ice machines
and you could go get a bag of

825
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,680
ice and you Sup with a bag of
ice on your head.

826
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,280
But it's the only way to get
through July and August in

827
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,400
Kansas.
I bet you had people falling out

828
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,120
from heat exhaustion.
Without question dude.

829
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,840
They did have fans.
But but you're circulating hot

830
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,720
air.
Yeah, circulating hot air.

831
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,360
That's a blast.
Furnace, yeah.

832
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,160
Yeah.
So, so you're 2 1/2 years there

833
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,400
and when you get out, you're
you're clean when you get out,

834
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,760
right, Yes.
And then you had one more stint

835
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:25,800
somewhere after that.
No, I got out in well, I got out

836
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,920
in O 7, no drugs.
I haven't.

837
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,240
Yeah, I'm drug free.
Nah, I've been.

838
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:39,960
I went back to drinking, which
again, Chris, you know.

839
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:47,480
I know.
And anyway, I got DWI in in

840
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,080
September of 2020, Missouri side
this time.

841
00:46:52,360 --> 00:47:01,120
OK.
So anyway, took 2 1/2 years for

842
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,760
it to every for before I was
overcharged.

843
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,600
So I almost made statute of
limitations.

844
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:11,160
Wow, almost Yep six months out
then.

845
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:18,280
OK so anyway regardless had to
go to court.

846
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,760
You know cops come knocking on
my door 10 in the morning or 10

847
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:26,040
at night.
Yeah and had to go to jail bail

848
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:32,480
out O 604-2023 is my last day.
OK.

849
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:35,640
Right on.
Crystal clear, baby.

850
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:37,680
That's awesome, dude.
Yeah wow.

851
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,240
So I I don't have 7000 days, but
that's.

852
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:43,120
OK, you still, but still man,
the day at a time and you, you

853
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,000
turned your life around, which
is what Mike and I love, which

854
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,520
when we first started this
thing, it the basis of it, the

855
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,160
premise was addiction recovery
because both of us been there,

856
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,480
done that.
And it's everybody's story is

857
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:54,560
different.
Everybody's journey is

858
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,280
different.
We had, we had a guy in within

859
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,840
our first year, I think that was
smoking pot when he was five

860
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:00,960
years old.
Yeah.

861
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,640
Now he now he's, he's recovered.
He's a coach.

862
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,280
He's a Wellness, health and
Wellness coach.

863
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,760
He's a recovery coach.
Amazing.

864
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,160
Individual, yeah.
So it's just, I mean, it just

865
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,680
shows it.
It shows that the human spirit

866
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,480
is, is, is strong as you want it
to be.

867
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,840
So I think that's fantastic that
you're where you are now,

868
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,880
completely clean, sober, and
that part of your life is is in

869
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,440
the rearview mirror and it's
never coming back.

870
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:28,360
Well, and Chris, you know, you
know, like Nikki, you know, you

871
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,560
appreciate your wife more, you
appreciate your kid more.

872
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,280
Mike, I don't know if you have a
wife or a kid, but.

873
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,480
I don't OK.
He has a guitar.

874
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:43,440
No, that's outstanding, dude.
The one thing I have in common

875
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:48,760
with you guys is I am 1516
years.

876
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,440
Well, no, it'd be more more like
17 or 18 years sober now, so.

877
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,000
Right.
I never had a problem with

878
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,960
alcohol, I just don't enjoy
being drunk, but I really

879
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:58,880
enjoyed hard.
Drugs.

880
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,880
Thank God you don't, my man.
It's it's you.

881
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,360
Talk about cigarettes, alcohol.
It's right up there, man.

882
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,360
And I think a lot of it's an
effort.

883
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:12,000
So many people who were in that
boat and they did not look like

884
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,040
they were having fun.
No.

885
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,080
Not to say that you and I look
like we were having fun at the

886
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,240
throes of our cocaine and meth
addiction.

887
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,920
Yeah, exactly.
I get you, I get you.

888
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,920
You know, every, I always say
that life is perspective, right?

889
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,720
So you got to make it relative
to your situation.

890
00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:31,920
But that alcohol one, it's such
a slow burn.

891
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,880
You know, I told Chris we had a
neighbor growing up and he drank

892
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,160
himself to death.
And in the end, he had no color

893
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,960
left, right?
He was great, but he couldn't

894
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,480
see that right?
Because that urge was so strong

895
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,160
to stay drunk, Mike.
And at that point, it's

896
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,040
dangerous to stop, right?
Without help.

897
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,440
Yeah, Mike.
This is a real story my roommate

898
00:49:55,440 --> 00:50:00,760
who owns owns the house I live
in so he's he's on SSDI so we

899
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,120
just basically take care of him
and pay him a few bucks rent and

900
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,320
pay all the bills you.
And you and the missus, Yeah.

901
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,840
Me and the missus.
Yep and and Little Miss.

902
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:11,760
Little Miss is going to be 17
dude.

903
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:14,280
Really.
Yeah, she's driving around her

904
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:15,360
own color, man.
That's awesome, dude.

905
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,960
That's awesome.
So anyway, Mike, the exact same

906
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,320
thing happened to him.
He he's chronic alcoholic.

907
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,400
He turned white.
And and I mean, dude, I thought

908
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,880
he was going to die.
And his name's Scott, Scott

909
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,000
Burrows.
Love him dearly.

910
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:44,000
But yeah, you know, he had to
change his ways or I I thought

911
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,880
he was going to die, dude, just
like you were talking about

912
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:48,600
that.
It's funny you should say that.

913
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,240
It's so.
Sad man.

914
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,600
Yeah, yeah.
You turn like great.

915
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,320
Like, like an alien, Yeah.
And the one thing that him and I

916
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,240
always say is, and you're
probably going to pair at the

917
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:05,560
same thing, it life on the other
side is so much more.

918
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,280
You just said it.
Vibrant fun.

919
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,120
Exciting.
Absolutely.

920
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:13,960
I would not be sitting here
doing this with you guys because

921
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,840
I would be shut in a room
somewhere, you know, enjoying my

922
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,680
high or whatever I thought was
so exciting at the time.

923
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,080
This is way more exciting,
right?

924
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:24,120
I don't.
Hear your story and meet

925
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,000
somebody that means as much to
you.

926
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:31,320
To Chris, you know his
excitement excited me, right?

927
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:33,640
Like, you're gonna love this
guy.

928
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,040
His story's amazing.
He's got such a life journey.

929
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:37,280
And I could just see it in his
eyes.

930
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,760
I could hear in his voice.
It's like, OK man, this is

931
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,600
exciting.
I'm ready to go and Mike, I'm

932
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,120
just scratching the surface, my
man.

933
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:46,440
We will.
We will definitely have you.

934
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:47,960
Back Yeah.
Part 2, Part 2.

935
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,720
Mike, come on, man.
We can do as many as you want.

936
00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:53,360
You're an amazing individual,
dude.

937
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,880
Yeah, because the other thing
and we have like, you know,

938
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,360
we're close to an hour, but I
definitely, I want to talk a

939
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,720
little bit about music because
because we we all three of us

940
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:03,400
have a love for music.
It's Paul Motions fault.

941
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,040
I would have an.
Yeah.

942
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,240
See, when I when I first found
you on Facebook through

943
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:10,200
Marshall, I swear to God, I
thought you were a disc jockey.

944
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,720
I thought that's how you guys
knew each other.

945
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,320
Oh, no, no, no.
Yeah, no, but that's what I but

946
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,800
I because you're so you're so
into music.

947
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,800
I just I and because of him, I.
Just love it brother.

948
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,240
You know, I just thought, OK,
that's what it was.

949
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:23,120
Because I don't.
I don't.

950
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,640
I don't.
It's my salvation, my man.

951
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,120
Yeah, me too.
To the choir brother.

952
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,560
Yeah, exactly.
See my religion.

953
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,680
It's my religion.
Hey, Speaking of real, real

954
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:39,560
quick, I don't know if you guys
have ever heard of DSS

955
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,400
productions.
Nope.

956
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:48,560
Anyway, they do all all the
concerts here in KC production

957
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:53,240
company and they're huge.
They've they've done NASCAR out

958
00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:56,760
in Vegas.
I mean, you, you name it, all

959
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,600
the rock fest.
Cool.

960
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,640
But anyway, they're Christmas
parties this Friday and I get to

961
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:02,760
go.
Right on.

962
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,320
Oh, that's awesome, man.
Free.

963
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:05,880
Food all.
All you can eat, man.

964
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,440
Jeremy Dixon, Yeah.
Congratulations.

965
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,520
Shout out to Jeremy.
Yeah, definitely is there.

966
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,400
Going to be bands there.
Yeah, yeah, they do have live

967
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,040
music.
I don't know who it is.

968
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,680
I'll probably get to see LJ,
though.

969
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,720
Right on Lejon Baby Seven Dust
there.

970
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,920
You go.
We opened up for them.

971
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:28,920
Yeah, we did.
You did for real.

972
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,160
Yeah, yeah, back.
When they were first you got to

973
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:32,880
beat LG.
No.

974
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,280
Oh, you should.
Have met, we played before them

975
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,040
and if we did we said hi to them
or whatever.

976
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,000
Yeah, in passing.
It was in passing.

977
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:42,560
Yeah, couldn't have been nicer
guys.

978
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,920
Yeah, they weren't.
They weren't there yet.

979
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,520
They were on their way up.
Yeah.

980
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,600
The song Black had just come
out.

981
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:49,560
Yeah.
Outstanding.

982
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,280
It was that long ago.
Yeah.

983
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,760
That's all good A.
Pub and Tempe.

984
00:53:55,400 --> 00:54:02,800
Yeah, I actually knew his wife
actually like years before I

985
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:08,800
ever met LJ and then finally met
LJ and then wife's got pictures

986
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:17,520
of, you know, her and LJ and
Nah, it couldn't be more of a a

987
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,400
kind cat.
I I can't even describe it.

988
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,320
Super cool.
You would both positions are

989
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,200
most, yeah.
Yep, the real ones are Mike.

990
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:28,600
The real ones.
Thank you.

991
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:29,960
That's a great.
No, it's all good.

992
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,120
It's all good.
Right, the people who are doing

993
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:33,480
it for the right reasons.
Yep.

994
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,760
I've always met the most
heartwarming.

995
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,680
They would give you the shirt
off their back.

996
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:40,840
Brent's.
You know, Brent Smith comes to

997
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,600
mind.
Shinedown name ring a bell shot.

998
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,720
Oh, yeah, thank you.
Yeah, you're don's a huge.

999
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,000
Shiny.
Yes, I am.

1000
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:49,720
Me too.
I love them dearly.

1001
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:52,480
Love that band.
Yeah, So when when they did the

1002
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,480
cover of Simple Man.
Oh yeah, That was the last band

1003
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,160
I was in.
And we actually were doing that

1004
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,720
before Shinedown released it.
So when you did when we did the

1005
00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:03,240
Sturgis tour in 2008.
I sing in a little different

1006
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:05,720
than than he does, but I still
have that Southern.

1007
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,120
Drawl Sturgis.
You know Jesse.

1008
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:09,280
No.
Dupree.

1009
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,480
No.
I know she'll meet Jesse.

1010
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,320
He no.
He was signed to Universal

1011
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:15,320
Records.
At the time, yeah.

1012
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:16,880
He's on Universal.
Yeah, I got you.

1013
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,360
So anyway, go ahead.
I didn't mean.

1014
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,240
That so no, no, you're good.
We we played it.

1015
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:22,960
We played it one night and then
it was it was so well received.

1016
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:24,880
They asked for it the second
night we were there, which was.

1017
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,760
Yeah, outstanding.
But so a it's a great song.

1018
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:28,760
It's Lynyrd Skynyrd, dude,
right?

1019
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,560
And that was back before, you
know, before Shinedown, yeah.

1020
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,400
Before cell phones had video,
Yeah, but they were just still

1021
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,240
photos, so that entire trip was
not recorded.

1022
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:40,560
Which?
That day.

1023
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:43,880
Because because some of this
stuff we pulled, we did live, we

1024
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,840
ended up playing with a band
called House of Stone, which are

1025
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,320
super, super cool guys.
They were basically a cover band

1026
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,600
that right, just had this
limitless catalog.

1027
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,240
So I'd go up and, and do backup
vocals and just, you know, have

1028
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:57,520
fun with those guys.
But it was, it was a great

1029
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,800
experience.
And the, the, the, the moment,

1030
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,680
though, was the cool moment to
me was we were on stage.

1031
00:56:01,720 --> 00:56:04,560
And just stand on that stage,
man, right?

1032
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,440
That has got to be both of you.
Both of you know I've never

1033
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,120
experienced that.
Yeah, I think Chris said it

1034
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,680
best.
It's something that the reason

1035
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,880
that him and I could go so long
without talking to each other

1036
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,040
and then come back and it's like
you picked up right where you

1037
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,120
left off.
It's those moments on stage.

1038
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,240
You can't recreate that with
anyone.

1039
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:25,040
Else in our.
Life.

1040
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,400
I mean, I don't mean to make
this sound bad, but not your

1041
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,920
family, not your wife, not your
girlfriend, no, what what it it

1042
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:36,000
just, it's an experience that is
unlike anything else you've ever

1043
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,160
done.
And look out and see 5008

1044
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,360
thousand, 10,000 people,
whatever.

1045
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,040
And to look to your left and
your.

1046
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,280
Right and see your baby.
Sisters.

1047
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,200
Yeah.
Like, these are my warriors and

1048
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:49,640
we're going to war, you know?
Yep.

1049
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,960
I couldn't even imagine, man,
I've it's Mike.

1050
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,400
I've never, I've never had that
experience.

1051
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,640
I wish I could.
Maybe someday I'll talk LJ, or

1052
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,480
maybe Brett if I run into him,
whatever.

1053
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:08,600
The cool thing that I always say
is without people like you and I

1054
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,440
have so many of my friends who
are in the same boat as you, and

1055
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,200
now we're friends as well,
right?

1056
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,080
Without people that I'm a fan
first and foremost.

1057
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:17,960
Before.
Anything.

1058
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,800
I am not a musician first, I am
a fan, right?

1059
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,880
So.
Lost in the crowd, baby.

1060
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,760
Yeah, being a musician always
takes backseat, and people find

1061
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:26,800
that fascinating.
You know?

1062
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,680
Like, I would wear that like a
code of honor or something.

1063
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,440
It's like, no, man, I'm a fan.
I just write music that I want

1064
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,560
to hear.
But there's plenty of music that

1065
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,720
other people have written that
we love too, you know?

1066
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:38,760
Yep.
Ozzy Osbourne, baby.

1067
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,200
Cool.
I know, man.

1068
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:42,720
It's the world.
It's tough loss.

1069
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:43,800
Tough loss, Chief.
And.

1070
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:45,920
And yeah, and he just had his
birthday, too.

1071
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,280
Yep.
He just had his birthday.

1072
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:48,520
Yeah, you are correct.
So.

1073
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,520
So did Dime, by the way.
Yep.

1074
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,400
Did you guys know that Dime and
John Lennon were shot on the

1075
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:56,240
same day?
Yeah.

1076
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,640
No, I did not know that.
Well, Lennon was 45 years ago

1077
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:00,760
Monday.
Right.

1078
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,840
Oh, was it like 2 days apart or
something?

1079
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:04,360
OK.
Yeah, close enough.

1080
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,200
All right, I mixed that up.
I thought it was the same day,

1081
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,080
but I didn't know they were that
close together.

1082
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,640
That's crazy town, man.
Is they played it during Monday

1083
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:13,880
Night Football?
Because it happened during

1084
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:15,880
Monday Night Football game.
Howard Cosell reported it.

1085
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:17,960
That's right.
I forgot about that.

1086
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:22,120
You're totally right, yeah.
And he was so just like Howard,

1087
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,720
you know, Howard Cosell voice
that, you know, John Lennon.

1088
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:29,000
Shot John Lennon back and had.
Fun Yep, Yep, his his residence

1089
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,520
in New York and taken to the
hospital dead on arrival there

1090
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:33,480
was.
Like, you know, they let that

1091
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:38,840
dude out, Chris.
I know I don't know how you got

1092
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:40,760
Reagan's guy still incarcerated
like.

1093
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,320
No kidding, man.
Man and Reagan didn't die.

1094
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:45,960
Yeah.
Seriously.

1095
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,600
Right?
Imagine.

1096
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,680
Imagine if Lennon was still
alive today.

1097
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:53,600
Oh, I couldn't even imagine.
You know what I mean?

1098
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,480
I mean the music that he would
have continued to make.

1099
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,840
I thought about that when I saw
that on Facebook.

1100
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,600
Not just the music, but would
his message have carried?

1101
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,840
I I think it would.
Would the world have been

1102
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:05,280
different?
I asked.

1103
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,880
My I'm not kidding, you guys.
No, I'm glad Chris brought that

1104
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:09,960
up.
I honestly asked myself that

1105
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,680
question when I read, you know,
that it was the anniversary of

1106
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,040
his death.
I'm like, had that dude lived,

1107
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,640
would the world have been
different?

1108
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:18,080
I think so.
He had a lot of.

1109
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:19,320
Influence.
I think so too.

1110
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,040
I mean, I think so as.
Well, yeah, there there is truth

1111
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,400
to the statement that he made
regarding Jesus Christ.

1112
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,840
The The Beatles were bigger than
Jesus Christ at one point in

1113
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:28,480
time.
Like everybody knew The Beatles

1114
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,720
and not everybody knew Jesus
Christ, of course.

1115
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,840
And that and then, and I'm not
saying that to be blasphemy

1116
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,280
people, no.
It was a jet.

1117
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:35,840
It's a fact.
It's the jet.

1118
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:40,840
It's especially back then when
you didn't have the the the far

1119
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,920
reaching depths.
Of yeah, the interwebs.

1120
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,360
There was, there was nothing.
There was nothing.

1121
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,040
And everybody would know John
Lennon's name.

1122
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:50,600
You know, it's kind of like
Elvis.

1123
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:54,080
Elvis transcended borders.
He was old, round, right?

1124
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,640
He did.
So, but he's supposed to be gone

1125
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,640
because, you know, the legacy is
what it is.

1126
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,840
Best Song, and Mike and I have
talked about Best Song that I

1127
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,120
think I've ever heard.
Linen do it.

1128
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:07,080
He was doing it was a fifth take
of Come Together.

1129
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,680
Yeah, in this in the studio, the
5th take.

1130
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,720
And he was talking before the
song, sang the song and talking

1131
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,200
after the song, what he wanted
to change.

1132
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:19,480
It was the most raw, brilliant
and beautiful.

1133
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,320
That's why I love music.
That is why I love music.

1134
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,840
Live, live and.
I've only heard it twice.

1135
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,160
I heard it.
I'm seriously, I've only heard

1136
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,200
it twice.
I cannot find it and I don't

1137
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,760
want to find it because I think
I get tired of it, but it was

1138
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,080
just when it when it came on,
I'm like, oh, wait, wait, wait,

1139
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:39,200
So I turned it up and then I
just like, wow, just just just

1140
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:40,920
chills because it was it's such
a great.

1141
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,760
Yeah, give me goosebumps, man.
But then the fact that it was

1142
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,040
the 5th take and he was still
trying to figure it out, The 5th

1143
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,520
take, I'm like, fucking.
Nailed it well.

1144
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,760
You and I have talked about it,
those mistakes that happen on

1145
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,440
stage so many times, they turn
into parts of the song.

1146
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,720
I agree with you heartedly,
Mike, Chris.

1147
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,920
And I would learn.
We would learn to embrace those

1148
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:02,520
things.
Yeah.

1149
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:06,080
You know, there were way more
instances where we'd all four.

1150
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:07,920
Maybe a voice cracks or
whatever.

1151
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,040
Or you hit a weird note on the
weird note.

1152
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:12,640
Hey, what'd you do in that
section there?

1153
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,120
That was different, man.
I dug that.

1154
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:15,800
Yeah.
Yeah.

1155
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,280
Yeah, that magic is so cool,
man.

1156
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,600
Yep, Yep.
And that's the cool thing about

1157
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:22,920
being live.
If it's not recorded, you're

1158
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,960
just you just set that moment.
In time.

1159
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,840
It's Chris.
It's wrong, dude.

1160
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,920
Yeah, Yep.
And you bear your soul only

1161
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,800
those people.
And that's it.

1162
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:40,640
We we are imperfect humans, and
imperfection sometimes turns

1163
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,560
into genius.
Absolutely.

1164
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:46,880
But to Chris's point, at that
moment in time, on that evening,

1165
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,160
for that span of time, only you
and the audience get to

1166
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,640
experience.
Correct, that's can't recreate

1167
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,560
it.
Just it's out of.

1168
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,480
Memory.
Yep, the memory lasts forever.

1169
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,960
For the people that don't like
going to concerts, I'm pretty

1170
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:00,440
sure I don't want to be friends
with you.

1171
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,600
Yeah, no.
They're not my friend because

1172
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:04,400
you just.
Don't understand, they say it

1173
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:08,760
actually it like extends your
life if you go to so many

1174
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:12,360
concerts every.
Year well, hopefully I'll live

1175
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,240
to be 110 because I've been a
bunch of.

1176
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,560
Yeah, we need to have Yeah.
Next time you come on, we're

1177
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,240
talking music, man.
We're talking concerts.

1178
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,560
We're talking.
Oh yeah, anytime brother I I

1179
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:22,880
could talk music all day.
Dude, I.

1180
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,200
Know, I know.
And if I didn't have somewhere

1181
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:26,840
to be in an hour, we would keep
talking, no?

1182
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,680
It's all, it's all good.
It's all we're going to.

1183
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:32,160
Have you guys Part 2 Part 2
word?

1184
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,120
Yourself a second spot from
about two seconds into this.

1185
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:37,040
Yeah.
Yeah.

1186
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,800
Yeah, you guys are epic.
Yeah, don't leave yet.

1187
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,840
Once we get done, we got to make
sure you upload properly.

1188
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:46,840
So OK, He's the man in myth.
A legend on Warnock, dude.

1189
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,720
Thank you so much.
You guys are the best.

1190
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:54,200
Hey, you know, Mike, give give
that give that Mrs. hug for me

1191
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:54,920
now.
No.

1192
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,640
Mike, I sure will, yeah.
Damn straight.

1193
01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,200
No, not mine.
No, wait, wait.

1194
01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:00,680
Chris.
Yeah, Chris.

1195
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:01,880
Sorry, sorry.
My bad.

1196
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,000
I'll hug my guitar.
You can.

1197
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:05,440
Hug the guitar.
No, that'd be good.

1198
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:07,280
He's gonna.
Hug his He's gonna hug his

1199
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,600
guitar.
I love it.

1200
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:11,720
Yeah, so he's down.
Warnock.

1201
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:12,440
I'm Chris.
He's Mike.

1202
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:13,760
This is the Chris I'm actually
remember.

1203
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:15,840
If you're feeling sorrow,
depressed, suicidal, don't do

1204
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:16,840
it.
Go scream in a pillow.

1205
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:18,280
Go outside, run.
Go work out.

1206
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,920
Find somebody to talk to you.
If you can't find somebody to

1207
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,120
talk to you, text 988.
Somebody's standing by to talk

1208
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,640
you off that Cliff.
The world's a better place with

1209
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:26,800
you in it.
Don't leave a hole in somebody

1210
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,720
else's heart because you decided
not to wake up tomorrow, right

1211
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:32,000
Mike?
Michael's love you, brother.

1212
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,440
Don love you too man, Love you.
So great to meet you, Don.

1213
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,800
Hey, you too, Mike.
It's good, Chris.

1214
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,240
It's good to see your bug, my
man.

1215
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:39,760
Yeah.
Yeah, you too, brother.

1216
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:41,680
All right, till next time.
Peace.

1217
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,800
Peace.
So I realized Don when I was.