#195 - Neko Ferro - Actor, NYC

Chris (0:05): In the corner. The bears. The bears. The cub. How have

Unknown Speaker (0:08): they never said the cubs?

Chris (0:10): It was just the bears.

Unknown Speaker (0:11): I don't know. That's an interesting question.

Unknown Speaker (0:13): And he's and Nico's in New York, which is kinda cool. You a Giants fan?

Unknown Speaker (0:17): I I'm more of a soccer guy, but Okay. I I I actually prefer for American football. I kinda like the the, the Green Bay Packers. I know. Don't Just they're just fun.

Unknown Speaker (0:28): Oh, now we're in a

Unknown Speaker (0:29): I don't I don't I don't that's it for us. We're wrapping up. It's been

Unknown Speaker (0:34): a great show, ladies and gentlemen.

Unknown Speaker (0:35): Thanks for joining. So Guinness Book of World Records, quickest show ever for the Christmas night show.

Unknown Speaker (0:42): A little healthy competition never hurt anybody. Yeah. He's a Giants fan. So

Unknown Speaker (0:49): Okay. What do you I don't hate any team at all.

Unknown Speaker (0:51): I don't either. I get it.

Unknown Speaker (0:57): Yeah. Welcome to the show, boys and girls. This is Chris. He's Mike. A portion of show is being brought to you by Riverside FM, the one and only choice for podcast platforms.

Mike (1:07): Remember, streaming live right now on Twitch, YouTube, and chrisandmikeshow.com. So if you go to any of those, can actually catch us here live with Nico Ferro, an actor from New York who came to us via Beverly Brock, the Brock Talent Agency. Is that what it's called?

Unknown Speaker (1:23): Because I

Unknown Speaker (1:23): missed it. Agency Incorporated. She's like, damn it.

Unknown Speaker (1:28): Sorry, Beverly. My bad. Had to make sure

Unknown Speaker (1:30): that I put it right on the actual podcast, so I committed it to memory. Yeah. Thank you, Beverly. And thank you for

Mike (1:36): coming, Nico. Welcome. Beverly rocks. So we're taking a 30 foot, a 30 floor elevator ride, Nico. Who are you?

Unknown Speaker (1:44): Why are you here? And what are you all about, man?

Beverly Brock (1:47): Well, I am Nico Farrow. I'm an actor. Been living in New York for about eight years now. Beverly is my, my agent. That's where you had her recently.

Beverly Brock (1:57): So she submits me for TV, film, that sort of thing. And I am that's all I'm about. It's pretty much all I do is acting, whether training, submitting, auditioning. It's like, it's an obsession. So that's I'm all about acting, but also you could see behind me, like, you know, action figures and stuff.

Beverly Brock (2:12): So I got, you know, nerdy things, video games, that kind of stuff.

Unknown Speaker (2:16): Yeah. Nothing wrong with

Unknown Speaker (2:17): that. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Unknown Speaker (2:20): How old were you when you got into it, Nico?

Beverly Brock (2:23): Well, gosh. People have asked me that before, it's like, you know, like, how did you know you wanted to do it? And things like that. I mean, when I was four years old, I was I wasn't watching, Star Wars and, like, you know, what's it called? Labyrinth and Dark Crystal, stuff like that.

Beverly Brock (2:39): I was watching the making of Star Wars: Labyrinth and Dark Crystal. I was obsessed. I found, like, a VHS tape of, like, you know, George Lucas making Star Wars and the puppets and behind the scenes, same with the puppets of Dark Crystal. And I just would not stop watching it to the point my parents got worried about me. So I've been there, did I watch something else?

Beverly Brock (2:59): And I'm like, no, no, but I just love seeing it wasn't just the acting, it's just the magic of it. Right. Like all these people, like a band, know, like, like some people, it's not just the people playing the instruments and setting up the lighting everything and handling ticket sales. I just, I started there, but didn't really start training seriously until my twenties. So it was just like a thing that was burnt, you know, it's kind of burning and then just kind of popped around there.

Unknown Speaker (3:25): And how old are you now, to put in perspective?

Unknown Speaker (3:27): Oh, no. This is an this is an actor thing. Not supposed to say our age, like Really? Yeah. You're supposed to say your age range as as long as you can get away with it.

Beverly Brock (3:35): Eventually, once you get famous enough, you can kinda like, it's hard to escape it. And even there's many actors who people suspect lied about their birth date, you know? But I play age range, like, 30 to 40 is about the range I'm I'm playing at right now.

Unknown Speaker (3:48): Okay.

Unknown Speaker (3:49): So I'll leave it at that. And I'm sure with enough work.

Mike (3:52): Okay. So so so looking at Mike and I, what age range would I play?

Beverly Brock (3:56): Oh, gosh. See, there's a different okay. Hollywood sees certain ages in certain like, when they say, like, for example, 40, they imagine, like, like white hair and things like that. In real life, it's not like that. So I I would say, Chris, I'm not as good like an agent.

Beverly Brock (4:13): But, yeah, I would say like, like, like early forties range, because Hollywood wouldn't see you if And you try to play

Unknown Speaker (4:21): I have the ability to wear wigs too, you know.

Unknown Speaker (4:23): Yeah, that's right. Hair will make the wig will make you look different in They do. Absolutely.

Unknown Speaker (4:27): Yeah. Yes. And with him.

Beverly Brock (4:28): Yeah. And Mike could play a little younger. You look younger. Would say like

Unknown Speaker (4:31): you That's my good side.

Beverly Brock (4:33): Yeah. I mean, I would say same as me, like, probably thirties to early forties. But I don't know. I'm not I'm not a casting director.

Nico Farrow (4:40): I'm only slightly younger than him, and we can talk about our age because we're musicians. We're both in our fifties. Yep.

Unknown Speaker (4:46): Oh, that's good. Very good. You look younger than

Mike (4:49): I'm you actually 56. And you know what?

Nico Farrow (4:52): Now that Chris did that experiment, that totally puts your why you don't want to say your age into perspective, right? Yeah. Because Chris could still play an early 40s actor.

Unknown Speaker (5:03): -Mm Yep.

Nico Farrow (5:04): He's almost fifteen years older than that. -Mm And I could play the same as you, and I'm closer to him than I am to you, probably.

Unknown Speaker (5:12): -Yeah. That's a trip.

Beverly Brock (5:14): Yeah. So, like, you kinda realize your age range once you, like, start getting auditions that come in that say age range, x etcetera, etcetera. Oh, okay. It's hard to figure it out on your own until the casting directors start bringing you stuff.

Unknown Speaker (5:26): Okay.

Beverly Brock (5:26): And but, yeah, I started with background work, which is, like, a path many people start on the cast.

Unknown Speaker (5:31): Talked about that. Yep.

Beverly Brock (5:32): Yeah. It's really fun. Like, if you're not, like, super interested into acting, anyone who's listening out there, but it's just kinda curious, like a tourist Mhmm. Background work is so much fun. You're gonna be right next to the big stars, big celebrities, big directors.

Beverly Brock (5:44): You get to be a small part of a major movie. And if you're lucky, you'll be singing. Most of the time, you're a blurry guy in the background. But if you're lucky, you get what they called featured, where they can recognize your face and like, Hey, that's nice. You know?

Nico Farrow (5:56): Like you're walking through an office or something, and you can clearly see that you're walking through the office, that kind of scene.

Beverly Brock (6:01): Yeah, I was lucky. Had You can see me in Veep season one. Oh, think it's episode four as a featured background, you know, where interacting. I got I got put in front of the camera, and I was so excited about that when I got that. And then on Netflix, the what's it called?

Beverly Brock (6:16): Why am I spacing? Kevin Spacey.

Unknown Speaker (6:19): Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (6:22): Why am I spacing on

Unknown Speaker (6:22): that one? It's last name is Spacey. House of cards.

Beverly Brock (6:26): House House of I was living in Maryland at the time, and they they they filmed there in a giant soundstage. Just absolutely enormous to replicate the White House and everything.

Unknown Speaker (6:36): Oh, cool.

Beverly Brock (6:37): And I got a scene with Kevin Spacey, like, kinda before, -MICHAEL: like, all the things happened on that show. Yeah. So But it was it was awesome.

Unknown Speaker (6:44): Show was still

Unknown Speaker (6:46): Mhmm. I had

Unknown Speaker (6:47): a lot

Unknown Speaker (6:47): of fun.

Mike (6:47): So how how was it work with Kevin?

Beverly Brock (6:50): You know, it's kind of funny. Everyone tried to make him laugh. Like, he's very serious on set. And, you know, Robin Wright, everybody on set was just kinda, like, just trying to goof with him. And he just wouldn't break, you know?

Beverly Brock (7:01): Not like in a grumpy way. He's just kinda like

Unknown Speaker (7:02): Right. He was in character.

Beverly Brock (7:04): Yeah. Sure. Yeah, he was. And and that this is before I took a lot of intensive acting training, so I didn't, like now I get it back then. Was, okay.

Beverly Brock (7:11): You know, exactly what you were saying. But I don't I don't do background anymore. There's a point where you kinda, like, as you get into the big leagues that you kinda it might hurt you. Like, if you get featured background on, like, Law and Order, might now you might not be considered for a series regular or a guest star role or a co star.

Unknown Speaker (7:27): Why is that?

Beverly Brock (7:28): Yeah. Because you're already established. So you were established as a police officer, and then now it'll confuse

Unknown Speaker (7:33): Typecasting. The

Beverly Brock (7:36): Well, you're sort of established as a character. Like, you're a lawyer, now all of sudden, wanna cast It's you as a kinda weird. You know? It's like, wasn't that guy a lawyer last week? And, you know, it's not always the case.

Beverly Brock (7:46): I do know people who did do exactly that. Like, you know, ten seasons ago, they were a police officer, but that was so long ago, nobody cares. Then they got a co star role that's totally different, like a criminal or whatever.

Nico Farrow (7:58): You really have to be careful how far you go into whatever commitment the background acting or, you know, if you aspire to be a guest star or a lead actor, you're saying you just don't wanna do too many of those same kind of parts?

Beverly Brock (8:14): Yeah. It's it can also be kind of like, why are you doing that? You know, like, when I was first trying to get an agent, and I won't say which agent, but I was interviewing and on my resume on my resume, I listed that I was I wasn't sorry.

Unknown Speaker (8:32): No, no,

Unknown Speaker (8:33): I'll be sorry. Made me laugh. It

Beverly Brock (8:36): was a I was a stand in for Pedro Pascal and Wonder Woman. This is the second one. Wonder Woman 84. And I thought that was cool. So I put it on the resume.

Beverly Brock (8:44): And the agent right? I thought, okay, it's worth bragging about. It's a little like and then and then the the prospective agent looked at my resume and said, why do you have this? And I said, oh, because it's kinda cool. She said, never put anything non speaking.

Beverly Brock (8:57): It doesn't exist. No one will take you seriously. Don't do it. And she didn't sign me. But I learned an important lesson.

Beverly Brock (9:03): I went right after that and scrubbed my resume of anything non speaking background.

Mike (9:08): Okay. Okay. So cool. That was true. Okay, so yeah, so I'm gonna say, is Mike's question accurate?

Mike (9:15): That was true? You don't put that stuff in there?

Unknown Speaker (9:17): You, yeah, you don't. Yeah. I know that's, yeah.

Mike (9:20): Okay. Cause I want to know, I want to know what it was like being a stanning because basically from what I understand, you know, watching TV my entire life, stand in is when somebody goes stands in that actor's place, whether it's just in the lighting and shit, maybe remake upping, maybe he's got a pee, one of those things, but you're basically standing there holding the space. And the only reason I know that Nico is because that Seinfeld episode where Kramer and the midget dude Mickey were stand ins for the soap opera. And I'm like, wonder if that's accurate.

Beverly Brock (9:48): I've never seen that episode. I've seen a lot of Friends episode with Joey's acting, but I haven't seen that one.

Unknown Speaker (9:53): Yeah. I know if that was accurate, so that's cool. That's accurate. Also where

Nico Farrow (9:56): they do rock, paper, scissors, and rock always wins.

Unknown Speaker (10:00): Yes. Yes.

Beverly Brock (10:00): It's absolutely accurate. Yeah, the stand in. And you kind of do the scene. Like, you don't have to say the lines, they might have enter the door, walk over here, pick this up. So it's a really fun way, besides background acting, to get your feet wet, like being directed, and kind of being standing literally because they put you in the same clothes usually.

Beverly Brock (10:19): So

Mike (10:21): the lighting and stuff always the same.

Beverly Brock (10:23): Yeah, and you don't have to look like the actor. You just have to be pretty like similar skin tone and similar height. And you know, hair color helps and-

Unknown Speaker (10:31): That makes sense.

Beverly Brock (10:31): Yeah, it's not a double. It's a little, that's a little different.

Mike (10:34): Yeah. A double is more for stunts and nudity, right? That kind of thing.

Beverly Brock (10:38): Yeah. There's a lot of like, yeah, there's an episode of Friends of them where Joey's like, I think Al Pacino's butt double, and he over acts with his butt. Might have the actor wrong that he did this the butt episode on, but I love that one.

Unknown Speaker (10:50): Yeah. Right on. Hooah.

Unknown Speaker (10:55): Yeah, yeah. You know, it was Al I just looked it up. It was Al Pacino's butt.

Unknown Speaker (11:00): I thought you were right. I didn't want to comment to it because I'm not as familiar with Friends as I am Seinfeld. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (11:06): Yeah. Cappuccino. That's cool, man.

Unknown Speaker (11:08): Yeah.

Mike (11:09): So what have you, have you, have you done any like TV film work aside from, you know, the background stuff and little featured roles?

Beverly Brock (11:17): So now, like, I'm, like, at the stage where I'm getting, like, life changing additions, where like you come Sweet! That's awesome. And it comes in and you're, you're kinda like, wow, like if I get this, it's gonna completely change my life. Once you start getting those additions, you're you're just the first time I mean, the first time I got my first star audition for Law and Order, and that's like a that's a rite of passage for every actor in New York or LA or whatever.

Unknown Speaker (11:47): Really?

Unknown Speaker (11:47): I freaked out. Like I did like like 48 takes with my my poor friend Felipe. Felipe, you're out there, thank you. Because I just want get it. And it's like, you know, it's like one line, you know?

Beverly Brock (11:59): What

Unknown Speaker (11:59): was your line?

Beverly Brock (12:02): Yeah, I mean, it was more than one. It was like, like a page. I already forgot. It was like saying like, there were I forgot what episode it was. Were talking about some horrible crime because it's on order.

Beverly Brock (12:13): And I'm like, oof, that was a horrible crime. And like, yes, sir, it was very horrible. They're like, so why is CSI handling? Because blah, blah, blah. Alright, well, come this way.

Beverly Brock (12:22): I want to introduce you to detective so and so. So it was like, it was a chunky scene. I'm exaggerating that it was one live, but I just mean it wasn't like a lot of emotion. It's what they call it a procedural, like, the acting training I took in New York focuses on all these procedural shows like Law and Order and CIA, FBI, that's the meat meat and potatoes out here for TV acting for the Okay.

Mike (12:45): So procedural, if you can correct me if I'm wrong, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta somehow segue from this scene to that scene. So So you're kind of bridging the gap between the two with the procedural dialogue like, hey, okay, we've established this guy was a was a freaky ass motherfucker criminal killed people, cut their heads off and shit. Now you're like, isn't these people handling this? And you kind of go that way. Is that is that kind of?

Beverly Brock (13:06): I mean, the dictionary definition, I I just looked at it to make sure I get this right. It's a television genre where a problem is introduced, investigated, and resolved entirely within a single episode. Okay. So it's so it's not necessarily like, like the prestige television where, you know, it takes like eight episodes to resolve the problem.

Unknown Speaker (13:23): And

Beverly Brock (13:24): I mean, my understanding of procedural is like cop shows. That's what I always thought

Unknown Speaker (13:27): that it doesn't

Beverly Brock (13:29): necessarily have to be cop. I mean, by that definition, I guess Star Trek was procedural, but I don't know.

Nico Farrow (13:34): Yeah, because they were solving a problem at the end of every episode.

Unknown Speaker (13:37): Yeah, yeah. Or Muppet Babies. I don't know.

Mike (13:39): Well, so Gilligan's Island was procedural.

Unknown Speaker (13:41): Technically it

Unknown Speaker (13:43): wasn't That

Unknown Speaker (13:45): was my shoe shoe.

Beverly Brock (13:48): Yeah. Yeah, so like, I'm at the point where I'm getting all these additions, and I'm like, I'm just I get so close, and I'm like, the best thing that I've done that I can kind of plug while I'm on your show is Jesus Land. It's a feature film. It's not out yet, but the trailer's out on YouTube, but anywhere you can search it. That one with Juliette Lewis from The Natural Born Killers.

Beverly Brock (14:11): Yeah. Love that She's such a great actress and so kind. And Ella Anderson, who just was with Hugh Jackman in Song Song Blues. She was named Variety Magazine's like top 10 actress to watch, I think in 2025. She's like up and coming, like really, really talented actress, if you haven't seen her work.

Beverly Brock (14:30): She blew it out of the water in Song Song Blues.

Mike (14:34): Is Jesus Land one word or two?

Beverly Brock (14:37): I should know that. I'm pretty sure it's two words, but let me check. I have to I have my trusty computer in front of me. I wouldn't know.

Unknown Speaker (14:43): I do too.

Unknown Speaker (14:44): I do too. Was gonna say

Mike (14:45): I found I found it. Found it. Is it two words?

Beverly Brock (14:48): Yeah. It's based on a book, a true story by the author, Julia Shears, and it's just about her time in the it's set in the eighties, and it was she had very strict upbringing. And they sent her away to, like, a a camp in, I forgot what island. It was, like, Dominican Republic, I think. And to, you know no.

Beverly Brock (15:06): Thank thank you. There's a trailer. Yeah. Yeah. There's her.

Unknown Speaker (15:10): Yeah. She's great. I'm not in the trailer, but I'm in the movie. Haunt her after crossing into adulthood.

Unknown Speaker (15:15): Oh, come on. Who produced this?

Unknown Speaker (15:17): Three years till we're 18. We'll make it there. Look how galley

Unknown Speaker (15:23): If this is a big budget movie, they'll pull us off YouTube,

Unknown Speaker (15:26): dude. Black I'll

Unknown Speaker (15:29): just I'll cut

Unknown Speaker (15:30): it off. Is this an independent film?

Beverly Brock (15:32): Yeah. It's it's yeah. Defined as independent as in Are they gonna be

Nico Farrow (15:37): upset if we play this trailer? I don't wanna turned

Unknown Speaker (15:42): I I turned the volume off, dude. I turned the volume off.

Unknown Speaker (15:45): Oh, no. I wanna ask him. I'm I'm just asking him if we can play it so that people can Oh, hear because I can't hear it that's listening.

Unknown Speaker (15:52): Okay.

Unknown Speaker (15:53): It's it's I just don't wanna get his episode pulled.

Unknown Speaker (15:56): No. It's no. No. It's They mess up their lives with sex, drugs, alcohol. Hey.

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Unknown Speaker (16:48): Why does he allow so many bad things to happen?

Mike (16:50): See, I love that. If god's in control, why does he allow bad things to happen? Yes. That's the that's

Unknown Speaker (16:55): always your main question. Right. In hell forever.

Unknown Speaker (17:04): Jesus land.

Unknown Speaker (17:05): Man, that looks really good.

Unknown Speaker (17:07): About this place.

Unknown Speaker (17:07): It does. See you.

Unknown Speaker (17:12): No one will believe you.

Mike (17:17): Never get in the van, man. Never get in the van. Okay? Yeah. Sage advice.

Unknown Speaker (17:22): Out of

Unknown Speaker (17:22): the van, man. Sage advice. Especially with no So

Unknown Speaker (17:25): so what's your role in that? Who do you play in that?

Beverly Brock (17:28): I play welding teacher. So I'm a teacher in the there this film is roughly divided into two segments. It's like the first half is is kind of before she gets sent away. And second half is when she gets sent away. So I'm in the first half where I'm a teacher in The United States in the 1980s.

Beverly Brock (17:42): Like, so, yeah, that's my first, like, major, film role, even though major as a as a thank you. I like it's small. It's it's

Unknown Speaker (17:52): a It doesn't matter. You're still living the dream, man. You gotta get there somehow.

Unknown Speaker (17:57): I was like, I

Nico Farrow (17:59): clearly want to watch Nico. So,

Unknown Speaker (18:01): you know,

Unknown Speaker (18:02): it's not like you played a trailer that I'm like, Nobody's gonna wanna watch that. That was captivating. Right?

Beverly Brock (18:08): Really good. -JULIE: Really good music. Our cinematographer, Valentina I might get to pronounce her last name wrong. Sorry, Valentina. -JULIE: Sorry, cinematography.

Unknown Speaker (18:20): Beautiful name, Valentina.

Beverly Brock (18:22): Yeah. Agreed. I remember when I first booked this, I looked up the cinematographer, and then I looked up her reel, and I was like, Oh, I'm gonna look good, because, you know, we're active Ravine. We want to see how we're gonna be lit and everything.

Unknown Speaker (18:35): Yeah. Absolutely.

Beverly Brock (18:36): Yeah. She made everybody look really good, and the costumes were amazing. They made me sound I usually play kinda like bad guys, like villains, or kind of unstable. But for this one, they clean me up. I look like a Boy Scout, just ridiculously like, just harmless and adorable.

Beverly Brock (18:55): So it was kind of fun to not play a serial killer or whatever that I normally tend to do.

Unknown Speaker (19:00): I would love to play bad guys, man. That's what I would do. Found would be

Unknown Speaker (19:04): good at it too.

Unknown Speaker (19:05): Yeah, I would love to play bad guys, man. That's all I would ever wanna do. Bad guy, bad guy. It is really fun. I found Valantine.

Mike (19:12): Got a good stern look. Thank you, Mike. That's what Beverly said. Here's Valentina's cinematography. Real.

Unknown Speaker (19:19): Yeah. Did.

Beverly Brock (19:21): Yeah. You see she has, like, these, like, neon colors that kinda, like, kind of a blade runner thing, like that beautiful red behind. Yep. Gorgeous work. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (19:31): I was

Unknown Speaker (19:31): just gonna say, I don't know what that style is, but it's cool. I like that style a lot. I see it a lot more probably in the last, I don't know, ten or fifteen years than ever, But I really like whatever that's called. It looks good.

Beverly Brock (19:46): Yeah, I'm not super educated, but the more you're on set, the more on sets, the more you learn about everything else, you know?

Unknown Speaker (19:51): Then Oh, I can see

Beverly Brock (19:53): the gaffer who does the lights, and then, yeah, the cinematographer really has a lot of responsibility along with the director to kind of define a look and feel. Like a lot of famous directors like Spielberg often work with the same cinematographer, it gives it a consistent look. So yeah, I'm a huge fan of cinematography. Like I told you earlier, every aspect of moviemaking, in addition to the acting, is just amazing to me. I liken it to pirates or something.

Beverly Brock (20:23): They're on a pirate ship. They don't sleep. Those guys are insane. Like, your call time could be like 5AM and they've already been on set, like, you know, hours before that. And then they stay hours after you go home.

Beverly Brock (20:35): They're the first to get there and the last to leave, the crew.

Mike (20:38): Does the bulk of what you do is act? Do you write? Do you write screenplays? Do you have any interest no. Just none of that.

Mike (20:44): Okay. No. You're just a thespian. You're acting.

Beverly Brock (20:49): When I yeah. When I read a really good script, even if I ever had an inkling to write, and I see how good the writing is, I'm like, Oh, never mind. Okay. Never

Unknown Speaker (20:56): mind. My bad. My bad. I'm sorry.

Beverly Brock (20:58): Yeah. Yeah. The writing is so, so good. And I remember when I won't say what set I was on, but I was doing background on one set. And I showed up, it was one of those 5AM call times.

Beverly Brock (21:08): And I was supposed to show up to wardrobe to get my wardrobe. So the sun hasn't risen yet, trailer door opens, and out comes the costume designer says, Oh, welcome. And she reeked a vodka. And I was like, at 5AM, was like, I remember thinking, this is what I want to do. I just love that everyone is kind of eccentric and kind of crazy and they're just mad artists.

Unknown Speaker (21:35): And

Nico Farrow (21:35): I That's just what always love liked about the music business, Nico. And I so with that said, I liked his question about writing. It sounds like you were more fascinated with, on the movie side and TV, the same thing I was in music. I wanted to learn studio, how that worked. It sounds very similar in that everything has to look the same.

Nico Farrow (21:58): In music, everything has to sound the same, and there's people that make that happen. Right? Nobody ever sees the behind the scenes people. Are you interested in going that route, directing, producing? Cinematographer ing.

Beverly Brock (22:13): God, no, again, I've been around so many talented of all those things that it just no, no way. No? No, think all I really just love acting. That's like the thing that it takes up all every minute of energy from the moment I wake up. Like, I'll like pass out with a script, go to go to sleep with a script.

Beverly Brock (22:31): It's like, it's, you really got to be obsessed with it. Not just love it to make any momentum right now, because the industry is so slow, like Beverly was talking about. But yeah, there's still like a lot of indies like that being made. And there's there is stuff happening, but just the stuff that pays really well is hard to come by.

Mike (22:49): Or high So I forget who it was, which is terrible because I love the, I love everything about movies and acting stuff. I've been there, done that when I was younger. There's three actors though. One of is Anthony Hopkins. I can't remember the other two that were referenced in it, but they'll read a script two fifty times.

Mike (23:05): So it becomes part of who they are. So they're no longer in their eyes acting. They're just, they've, they've immersed themselves in that script to that extent that it just falls off their tongue.

Beverly Brock (23:16): Yep. That's exactly. That's exactly what you got to do. Like every every person has every actor has a different process to kind of become the character. And I don't think there's any such thing as like the, you know, the right technique.

Beverly Brock (23:28): Same with memorization. Every actor I met has a different way to memorize. Everyone has a different way to get into character. At the end of the day, as long as you show up on time, know your lines, and do good work, nobody really asks, Was that Meisner? Was that Method?

Beverly Brock (23:42): Yeah. But yeah, you do have to, I agree with the general concept that you got to know it, the lines almost like just while you're sleeping or mumbling the lines.

Mike (23:52): Yeah. It's like, it's like, it's like singing a song. You just, you, you, the lyrics turn your head nonstop, you know?

Beverly Brock (23:59): Yeah. Yeah.

Mike (24:00): Especially when we start, when we, when we begin writing, Mike would, we'd record our practice. I'd tell Mike, give me a cassette tape of the song. He's like, why? It's like, cause I need it. And that's all I would do is 20 fourseven.

Unknown Speaker (24:10): Every time I went anywhere, drove anywhere headphones, listen over and over and over and over and over again until it didn't. Just, it was just, it was just there. It was a muscle memory. The first beat of the song would come on and boom. I used

Nico Farrow (24:23): to tell all my guitar students, you have to practice and play those songs until you basically wanna puke. Right? You you gotta play them till you hate them. You know? And then you might know them.

Nico Farrow (24:37): You might be re that and that was always my last line. That you might be ready to go play a show. Because Chris and I will always say, you don't know till you're there. Right? When you step on that stage, that's when you're gonna know if you're ready.

Nico Farrow (24:50): The same way as when they say action Right? For Yeah. Then you know if you're ready. And a lot of people fold under that pressure. They really do.

Unknown Speaker (25:00): I'm so glad you mentioned that. I keep going because I have thoughts.

Unknown Speaker (25:02): No, no, no.

Unknown Speaker (25:03): I'm ready for you. No, That's why we do this, man.

Beverly Brock (25:05): Okay. Because that's exactly where I've noticed a lot of my actor friends fail or people are just starting out and everything. That they train over and over the lines, like you were saying, like, read over and over. I got these lines. Couldn't do it in the back of my head.

Beverly Brock (25:17): But then they walk into that audition room, long room, empty room, and there's a bunch of people in the hallway, and there's a table at the end of that large empty room, three people looking kind of bored or cameras there. You just like, you know, the sounds of your footsteps walking up and all right, whenever you're ready, you know, and it's like the people crack under that pressure because they didn't train their mind. They trained only the lines, the you know, what they in their head, they made an image of what the scene would be like. And then they show up, they crack under the pressure of like, all of that. So that's when they all of a sudden they blank on lines, their delivery's poor, their voice cracks, the paper's shaking while they're holding it.

Beverly Brock (25:56): And you got to train your mind in addition to the acting.

Nico Farrow (26:01): Absolutely. That's a great description too. I've seen a 100 musicians do the same thing. You know? They get up there and I know they're great musicians, and for whatever reason, when the audience is there, it just they can't you said it best.

Nico Farrow (26:16): They can't put their mind in that place, right? People used to ask me what I was thinking about when I was playing. Nothing. Because if you let thoughts enter your mind, it's a train wreck automatically.

Unknown Speaker (26:28): He was really worried about what the hell I was doing and where I was going and why I was headed towards light rafters. What was I gonna

Unknown Speaker (26:33): do with There was some concern for his safety at times.

Unknown Speaker (26:39): Wait. Why is he going that way?

Unknown Speaker (26:43): Don't stand there while they blow things up.

Beverly Brock (26:47): Athletes have the same thing, Like Messi, if you follow soccer, like when it really mattered for him, when Argentina was really in the line is when he would start to crack a little bit. And like, you could kind of see him playing out as well, because it was just same when the Brazil like just cracked under Germany. It was, seven goals and what and Brazil is normally a great team. It's just the pressure of everything just made them buckle collectively. So that happened to the big majority everybody.

Unknown Speaker (27:10): Who wanted that moment. Right?

Unknown Speaker (27:11): Yep.

Nico Farrow (27:11): Right. Yes. And who's the current guy who's the stud for the Golden State Warriors shoots three points?

Unknown Speaker (27:17): Steph Curry.

Unknown Speaker (27:17): Steph Curry. He wants the ball when that moment calls for it. Right? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (27:22): Are he's your LeBron. He wants the ball so he can act like he got hit.

Unknown Speaker (27:26): Chris is a big LeBron fan, ladies and gentlemen. Acting? Big LeBron fan.

Mike (27:31): He's a joke, man. He's a joke. So you started your background work when you were a lot younger. Have you done, have you ever done any like international commercials, things like that? Have you done stage?

Mike (27:41): Have you done stage work? Like, you know, not Broadway, but stage performing. Like, whole break into acting was theater. That's where I Yeah.

Beverly Brock (27:50): Yeah. So that's so the for those who don't know much about the acting world, like the professional acting union is SAG AFTRA,

Unknown Speaker (27:58): right

Beverly Brock (27:58): after the Screen Actors Guild and AFTRA used to be a separate union and we combined. So now it's got the it's just joined awkwardly with a dash or whatever the type. But SAG AFTRA is a professional acting union. And I joined through a commercial. So I auditioned for a commercial for it was the Baltimore Ravens.

Beverly Brock (28:16): We filmed it in the stadium. Was something that would show during games and everything.

Unknown Speaker (28:22): Oh, okay.

Beverly Brock (28:22): It was really exciting. Was back then, it was all in person audition. So I went in that room and did my thing, and they called me and said, oh, we want you for the role.' And I was like, what?' And then I joined the union shortly after that. So yeah, I did a commercial then. I don't do as much commercial work now.

Beverly Brock (28:41): The additions come in, but it's like, I think I just, I don't know if I have like the right look, I'm just keep doing all the serial killer stuff and they may not want me holding a burger. I don't know.

Mike (28:50): So, so I've, so somebody, I forget who it was because we've done this 190 some odd times now, but I think it was the gal that was in Superman, the way to Superman. Sam Wan. Yeah. So the auditions now are all like Zoom for the most part?

Beverly Brock (29:05): Yes. Self tapes is the majority of at least your first edition. So see here there's a blue backdrop. Is a solid background that a lot of actors have. So when I audition, I kind of have those behind me.

Beverly Brock (29:18): And that just kind of makes it all so there's no distractions and people pick different colors depending on what looks good with their skin tone. This might work with my skin, there's no right or wrong for the backdrop. But then, yeah, they have lights all up in here, and then you adjust the lighting based on what character you're auditioning for, and then you send the tape in. Casting director watches it, and if they like it, they'll send it forward their favorites to the director, and then the director picks who to cast. So the casting director sort of like whittles it down to the top picks, and final choice is usually the director.

Beverly Brock (29:52): But then when huge productions in the studio is involved, they'll be like, well, we want, you know, Al Pacino or whatever.

Unknown Speaker (29:57): So,

Beverly Brock (29:59): but for, yeah, self tapes is the thing. But then for, yeah.

Mike (30:02): So tapes, is it actually tape or you just recording on your phone and sending it as an MP4 file?

Beverly Brock (30:07): I usually do. I usually just record on my phone. That's what most people do.

Unknown Speaker (30:10): Like seven, five, eight. Yeah.

Beverly Brock (30:12): It doesn't have to be the, yeah, the industry term is self tape, but you don't have to. Okay. And they do Zoom editions now too.

Unknown Speaker (30:19): Partly bank. I'm gonna send my I'm gonna send my VCR tape in,

Unknown Speaker (30:22): man. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (30:23): Here you I figured they opened that open that what the hell is this? This guy's got a Betamax. Give me the greatest actor ever and it's on Beta and they throw it away.

Unknown Speaker (30:37): Yeah,

Unknown Speaker (30:38): so And then soul. Sorry, sorry.

Beverly Brock (30:41): No, Beta was like, there was superior to VHS for those that were older than term members. Was like a much better format, lost to the cassette wars, the great survivors of that time period. Okay.

Mike (30:54): You said something that fascinated me. Like, if a movie's in production, somebody writes a movie, they sell it, all that kind of stuff happens. And now they're ready to start casting stuff. If, if they've written it for somebody specifically in mind, you referenced Al Pacino, do they have Al Pacino come read for it? They're just like, boom, you got this role.

Beverly Brock (31:11): Oh, no. Once you get big enough, just, they call it offer only where they're just like, you know, if you want this guy in the movie, it's going be X amount of dollars or X amount of, you know, side benefits, like, you know, first class, whatever. Yeah. They, I'm not, I am not there yet. I'm at the point where, again, the life changing roles are coming in that, like, where I comes in and I'm like, oh my god, like, I would be in this show, like, multiple episodes with some of my favorite actors of all times, like, as a major character.

Beverly Brock (31:38): Like, when you get those additions in, you're like, you know you're on the right track, but it it's tough because the major roles like that, you're competing with a lot of good actors. Sure. I'm just I get grateful when a big addition comes in. And like, there was one, like, I can't figure out a lot to say stuff up in the air. Got a huge one just like two weeks ago that I turned in on Friday.

Beverly Brock (32:00): So I'm like, crossed very tightly

Mike (32:03): right here. Do they do they give you any idea of when they're gonna get back to you? Is it open ended, or they give you, hey. We're gonna know by this time.

Beverly Brock (32:09): It is. It's like they say addition and forget because even when you know the film dates, I guess the shoot dates June through, you know, July 2026, they move them all the time. They could even shift them a year, six months. So even if June passes and you don't hear, they might ping you. I had one that I did, like, and then six months later, that I heard.

Beverly Brock (32:27): Yeah. So, and then again, like another six months after that, cause they kept shifting the shoot dates and I just kept re auditioning for it and I don't know, maybe I'll hear again.

Mike (32:39): Movie, the movie junket says, Hey Nico, somebody knows you Nico. The movie junket?

Beverly Brock (32:47): It might be like a let me check an an account that uses a different name. Like, think I might know.

Unknown Speaker (32:53): You can go into the chat here. That's where

Unknown Speaker (32:56): I Oh, found in

Unknown Speaker (32:57): there. There's a chat button.

Unknown Speaker (32:59): Oh, look at that. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (33:02): Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (33:02): I see studio chat. Is that where I

Unknown Speaker (33:04): see it? It it'll be under the public chat.

Unknown Speaker (33:07): Oh, public chat.

Mike (33:08): Thanks. Nico. It's at the movie junket, whatever that is.

Unknown Speaker (33:12): Hi.

Unknown Speaker (33:15): Hi, movie junket. Welcome. Welcome to the show.

Unknown Speaker (33:20): Welcome to the Welcome to show.

Beverly Brock (33:24): No, that's great. I'm glad that we have like live viewers. Never caught Woah. My Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (33:29): We're in 81 countries. Right now.

Nico Farrow (33:32): Right now. Actually, it's more than that. I got to count on our actual website. It's probably closer to 90 or a 100. Okay.

Mike (33:39): We're all, we are, we're, we're, yeah, we've been, we've been lately. It's all because of Beverly, man. She came on the show and then all these countries started opening up.

Nico Farrow (33:45): It really happened And right after that episode

Beverly Brock (33:48): she's kind of a rare agent in that, like, what might surprise a lot of people when you get an agent is that you get the interview, they're like, Okay, great. Want to sign you. And you're like, Yes, now I'm going to be And that's the only way you get these big additions. You want to audition for movies and stuff, the agent is the gatekeeper. Usually, you may not hear much from them after that initial, you'll do the initial interview, they'll be great, you're on our team.

Beverly Brock (34:11): And, and, you know, it's like not a ghosting per se, but they just have like hundreds of other clients

Unknown Speaker (34:18): who are

Beverly Brock (34:18): really busy. But now, Beverly's great because she'll always like, she's always available. She's like really hands on with you. So I always really liked her as an agent. She she my biggest additions happened under her care.

Beverly Brock (34:31): Like, when Jesus' land came in, she was the one who was negotiating the contract, and then some other big ones I can't talk about. But yeah, the biggest ones of my entire life have been well under her. So thank you, Beverly.

Unknown Speaker (34:44): Thank you, Beverly. Beverly. Dude, I pursued her coming on for quite a long time, so I was happy when I got her.

Unknown Speaker (34:50): Yeah. Yeah, it's Monica. Nico?

Unknown Speaker (34:55): What's that?

Unknown Speaker (34:56): Do you know Monica? Do you know Monica?

Beverly Brock (34:57): That's it's probably the Monica Yes, know Monica. I'm pretty sure I know which Monica.

Unknown Speaker (35:05): That's who she says she is.

Unknown Speaker (35:06): Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Monica

Unknown Speaker (35:08): from If

Beverly Brock (35:12): it's a Monica, know that it's a close acting friend I've been working with for a while for like we auditioned together and everything.

Unknown Speaker (35:19): Her to come on the podcast. We'd love to talk to her.

Mike (35:22): Yeah. Can tell her right now. Come on the podcast. We want to talk to you. Yeah.

Mike (35:28): So go to chrishandmikeshow.com and just register as a guest and we'll get you scheduled.

Unknown Speaker (35:32): Oh, that's awesome.

Mike (35:33): Yeah. It's that simple. We don't, we're not picky. We just love people with cool resumes. Just got to have

Unknown Speaker (35:38): a cool life story, man.

Unknown Speaker (35:40): Is life story. So how many, how many things have you been attached to in your career? I mean, is that, is that a legitimate question? You tell

Unknown Speaker (35:46): Yeah, no, that's what it is. I got to look up my own resume because I can't, my website, Nico Farrell. And I

Unknown Speaker (35:52): want to hear the second half of his question that he interrupted. Have you ever done like plays or Broadway theater type stuff? Chris interrupted his own second half of his career. Do. I'm sorry.

Unknown Speaker (36:05): I'll fill in for I'll

Unknown Speaker (36:06): it every now and then.

Beverly Brock (36:07): I'll keep it for So to answer the most recent one, it's, 26, I'm counting, like, projects within, like, the past, like, two and a half years that I'm attached to, that I booked and filmed. And then in terms of you and then the other question was the theater question, right?

Unknown Speaker (36:21): Yes.

Beverly Brock (36:22): Yeah. That's how I started too. My first training was under a place here in New York called Russell Acting Academy. Kathy Russell is a teacher. She teaches right on Broadway, on a stage on Broadway where she performs.

Beverly Brock (36:34): And she has a Guinness she holds a Guinness Book of World Records for longest running play, and she might I might be wrong with the exact title, like, the longest continuous play by one person. I forgot the exact stipulations of the Guinness Book of World Record, she's been doing it for over the same play, same role for over thirty five years.

Unknown Speaker (36:50): That's outstanding.

Beverly Brock (36:52): She's a great teacher. Yeah. So I learned first there, and then I switched to TV and film acting because it's a different slightly different style because you have to worry about the framing and close ups and the microphone and all that. Even the combat is different, like stage combat versus on camera combat is different. And then I did what I think the off off Broadway, there's like a definition like off off off off off, depending on how many seats it has.

Beverly Brock (37:20): Let me see. Off off Broadway. Let me see. It was like 100 seats. So that would mean that it's fewer than 100.

Beverly Brock (37:27): So yes, I think it's off off Broadway was technically what I did. And I've auditioned for a lot of theater stuff, but generally, my biggest love is TV and film, so that's what I focused on the most. But I always encourage people to start the stage, because then, yeah, you don't have to worry about all the camera stuff, and it's just more pure. And it doesn't have to be Shakespeare. It can be there's a lot of like, contemporary plays you don't have to sing or dance.

Beverly Brock (37:58): It's not like Shrek the musical. That's really well written. Yeah. I always say, just start out, try stage acting.

Nico Farrow (38:06): Okay. So I have a TV question about the actual production. When you're there, this thought came to me when you said microphones. How much of that, when you're shooting the scene, is actually recorded right then and there audio wise, and how much is overdone later? Gosh.

Beverly Brock (38:24): The sound as a whole, don't know as much about, so I'm probably gonna butcher some of the terms, but there's like the the lab Somewhat mic

Unknown Speaker (38:29): you've experienced.

Beverly Brock (38:31): Yeah. Mean, they they they try to record as much as possible on they have the boom mic, so they got the, you know, the thing over the mic. Then they have, I think it's lav or lab. I always pronounce it wrong. This is short for something.

Beverly Brock (38:42): I should know this, but

Unknown Speaker (38:43): they I tape know it you and I don't. That sounds familiar though.

Beverly Brock (38:46): Yeah, let me see while we're talking if I could see it's short for something. Lav lavlir. No Okay. Wonder I didn't remember that. So it'll go it's it'll it always falls off me because I sweat a lot when the lights are on, so they always have to reattach it.

Beverly Brock (39:00): And then if you have chest hair and they when you take it off on the other night, it hurts. So yeah, they record between that sound and the boom mic. They do an audio mixing later. And, if something went wrong, then you have to do ADR, additional dialogue recording, where you go into a sound stage and Mhmm. You worst nightmare is you gotta match your own lips, which sucks.

Beverly Brock (39:22): Oh. Because the your your original performance is always the best, so you gotta match your acting and try to get the lips to sync. Ideally, the your APR is during someone else's close-up. So every now and then, know, was a car sound, or they want to change dialogue, which happened to me recently, because there was a line where I said, those guys are about to, and they needed me to change it to that guy, because they decided to, when they put the camera over there, they kind of changed it, so there's only one guy sitting there instead of two, so I had to do ADR for that, but that was easy. But yes, the answer is just about everything they want to record on set as much as possible, even for those that aren't familiar with acting, the room tone.

Beverly Brock (39:59): So you do a scene in a room like this, and then they say, Okay, we're getting room tone. And they hold the microphone for like a full minute, and nobody breathes, nobody moves, just because even quiet has a sound. That way-

Unknown Speaker (40:11): hell yeah. So

Beverly Brock (40:13): they have to do that all the time. The sound is a big deal.

Nico Farrow (40:16): That's why I asked because that was my forte. I should have remembered that microphone, but I used to use a pink noise generator, which is probably what And they're it basically tunes the room. It tells you where the deficient or there's too much of certain frequencies. Has, back in the day, they had lights, you know, red meant you were too much in that frequency. Yellow was, you know, you're too deficient.

Nico Farrow (40:39): And then there was a green bar they were shooting for. And you're right. The fans that run-in the room. Chris and I have heard it doing this podcast. Mhmm.

Nico Farrow (40:47): You know, people will have a noisy old computer and just that fan in the computer Yeah. Causes that microphone to go crazy. That's why I

Beverly Brock (40:55): asked Yeah. Then sound is like that's part of your on camera acting training is you're not supposed to step on someone else's line in case they need to edit. If like Chris has a line, I gotta wait for him to finish his line before I interrupt, otherwise it can screw up the sound editing later on. But on stage, you can technically step on someone's dialogue, but it's, you know, it's not as dire the consequences. And also for theater, you got to be like louder so the back of the room can hear you.

Unknown Speaker (41:22): And then on camera, you can whisper and then, you know,

Nico Farrow (41:25): the microphone picks it up. I think we learned that lesson in spades doing this one hundred and six ninety six times now. Yeah. We add an additional person. You have to be careful that you're not talking over everybody all the time,

Mike (41:37): you know? Right. That shit drives me nuts when I'm having phone calls with people and they just, they just don't shut up when I'm trying to say something. So I just tell them, Hey, can you shut up? Just shut up.

Unknown Speaker (41:48): Just ask

Mike (41:49): my question. Me ask my question and then you can respond accordingly.

Nico Farrow (41:54): You'll like what I say most of the time. If you don't need me here, I'll leave. Right. Because I got other

Mike (42:01): So things to obviously being an actor, you're all, you're obviously a fan of actors.

Unknown Speaker (42:07): Yep.

Mike (42:07): I want to know your top three favorite all time actors. Does it matter what genre? Great question. Without even thinking about it, Nick, without even thinking about it, just rattle off three names of actors that you, if you saw them on a show, you'd like, yes, I met him or her.

Beverly Brock (42:20): I mean, Emma Stone is probably my right off the top of my top of mind.

Unknown Speaker (42:25): That's what I want. That's what I want. Right off top of your head, man. Don't think about it.

Beverly Brock (42:27): Do comedy. She can do serious her the emotion, like, if you saw Begonia, just that scene where she's like, where

Unknown Speaker (42:35): I was trying to watch Begonia, man. I I really I was trying to. I promise I was like Nikki went to bed, my wife, I'm like, I'm going watch this because it has all these accolades to it. I'm like, what the fuck is this about, man? Like, I just couldn't get past like the first half an hour.

Mike (42:50): And like, I just, I just couldn't, which is exciting. I love, I love non heavily CGI movies because that's what I grew up on. I grew up on the actual acting, you know, not the stuff. Right. Emmerstone, Yeah, why don't you Emmerstone, and

Beverly Brock (43:10): that's something we can talk about a little bit later if we have time, but she's also big on improv, I think improv is really important for acting training.

Unknown Speaker (43:16): Agreed.

Beverly Brock (43:17): So another one that may I don't know how many people know him, Tom Pelfrey. If you watched Ozark, he played the brother who was like, kind of like a little mental.

Unknown Speaker (43:28): Yes. Okay.

Unknown Speaker (43:29): Ozark, great show. Great show. Absolutely.

Beverly Brock (43:31): He is so talented. Like, when I watch Yeah. That role so monologue, I don't want it for those who haven't seen it, has a monologue in A Ride on a Car. That's like just a thing of beauty. Like, it's an actor's actor.

Beverly Brock (43:45): He's so good. And then one that may not be also not as well known to people, Troy Baker. He's mostly a voiceover actor who does a lot of video games. He did a perfect Harrison Ford in the latest Indiana Jones games that came out. He's in the Death Stranding games with what's his name?

Beverly Brock (44:06): I should know this from Walking Dead. Why am I spacing?

Unknown Speaker (44:11): Because it happens. You feel the pressure being on the Christian Mike show being

Unknown Speaker (44:14): on Yeah. The I didn't change my mind. I did change my mind.

Unknown Speaker (44:17): You know, we're taking your career to a

Unknown Speaker (44:20): whole new level now, Niko. Since you took it there, how far did you make it into The Walking Dead?

Beverly Brock (44:25): Yeah. Oh, show? I quit right yeah. Right right when during the for those who haven't seen it, the baseball bat death. Yep.

Beverly Brock (44:34): That that

Unknown Speaker (44:35): that sold after

Beverly Brock (44:36): you. Started to die after that after they killed that character. I was, like, kind of out.

Nico Farrow (44:41): I'm gonna start asking everybody that is into movies or acting when they quit watching The Walking Dead because I don't think anybody ever made it to the end.

Beverly Brock (44:50): Yeah. Oh, I mean, was Norman Reedus. So Norman Reedus was in the video game opposite, yeah, opposite Troy Baker. He's just an incredible actor it just says-

Unknown Speaker (45:00): Why does that name ring a bell?

Beverly Brock (45:02): Norman Reedus. He was, yeah, Walking Dead. He played Daryl in Walking Dead. Okay. And he was in Boondock Saints.

Unknown Speaker (45:08): Not good.

Unknown Speaker (45:08): He has his own spinoff show.

Unknown Speaker (45:09): Boondock Saints.

Beverly Brock (45:12): So those are probably top of mind, some of my top three. But right up there is Doug Jones, who does he's known for creature acting. He did the one with the eyeballs in his hands in Pan's Labyrinth.

Unknown Speaker (45:22): Nice.

Beverly Brock (45:23): And he's done so many creatures. If you watch Buffy, the gentleman episode with the creepy guys that are floating like steal people's hearts. A really, really, really talented actor is on this physical movement. And then, know, his acting in general is just, yeah, he's did top three and it went to four.

Mike (45:43): It's okay. It's all good. It's okay. I got Pacino, I got Gandalfini, and I got Michelle Pfeiffer.

Unknown Speaker (45:48): I just rewatched Heat recently, and that is so good.

Mike (45:50): Oh, dude. It's so good to know. So you're an actor, so I don't know if it's bullshit or not, but there's all this stuff I see online about them making a, a heat too. That legit? I'm

Unknown Speaker (46:02): not sure.

Unknown Speaker (46:03): It's like it's supposed to be, it's with Christian Bale. Think I

Unknown Speaker (46:06): researched it and it

Unknown Speaker (46:07): got, Okay. It's bullshit. Okay.

Unknown Speaker (46:09): I think so. I think it was real for a minute, but everybody said the same thing about

Unknown Speaker (46:13): If it

Unknown Speaker (46:13): is, I'm available and any casting director.

Unknown Speaker (46:15): Right. Right.

Unknown Speaker (46:15): See, see better do it good though. Yeah. Man, that was That a great

Mike (46:21): scene with D'Annairo and Pacino, just one thing I didn't like about the movie is I didn't like When they're sitting at the coffee shop? No, didn't, I didn't like Pacino's hair, man. I'm like, what the fuck are doing with the hair? When he's at the coffee shop, it looks, it looks stupid. It's like whoever was in charge of his hair should have fixed it.

Unknown Speaker (46:35): I'm gonna have you do

Unknown Speaker (46:36): that now because I don't really remember.

Mike (46:38): He didn't look cool. Like it just was this weird, like comb over thing. And it's just like, De Niro was De Niro before De Niro got political and shit and just turned me completely off of him forever. Because I love De Niro too. De Niro when I was growing up because you know, it's just De Niro, Pacino, those two method actors and just how they immerse themselves like taxi driver.

Unknown Speaker (47:00): Can't believe you didn't put Christopher Walken in your list.

Mike (47:02): I, well, I said top three, man. I can't to go top. Mean, top He's three ever done. Yeah. Christopher Walken's amazing, man.

Mike (47:10): We had Mikey, Mikey day, Mikey Castillo day, one of our guests. He could do a Christopher Walken like nobody's business, man. Gary Old man. That's a good one.

Unknown Speaker (47:17): Yeah. The

Unknown Speaker (47:20): professional. Remember that movie with? Oh, oh,

Nico Farrow (47:25): the way he can portray a character is amazing. The way

Mike (47:28): he delivered lines like that one line where he screamed everyone when he was right what the rumor has when we were rehearsing that he was doing it really quiet because that's what the director wanted so he decided screw that I'm gonna I'm gonna do with just every fiber of my being and apparently it scared the the cast and the crew. Like, holy shit. What just happened? And they kept it because it was epic.

Beverly Brock (47:49): Yeah. Like, it's, like, ask for for forgiveness, not for permission. And I I had I had an actor friend on one of the first things I ever booked telling me that, like, if do it the way you want, and even if it's crazy, and if they say, hey, Nico, take that back. You know? Like, I don't know what what the hell was that.

Beverly Brock (48:04): Just do it, like, what the lines say. Don't go crazy. They're gonna watch that footage back later and say, you know what? That that was a good take. Like, I really like what Nico did, and we're gonna keep He said, Do something crazy if you want, and then listen to them when they say, Don't do it again.

Beverly Brock (48:17): But if you have an instinct like that to go crazy, just do it, because it could be bold or not. It'll be their choice in the end in the editing room.

Mike (48:26): Right, Which is what you should do because you're interpreting the characters best you can to portray it to the best of your ability.

Beverly Brock (48:33): Which is why I think improv is so important. Shout out to my improv teacher, Karl Kissin, K I S S I N. He's a great improv teacher. Yeah, I'm So Kissin improv scares the crap out of me. Like, acting doesn't, like being on set or auditioning live, I'm fine.

Beverly Brock (48:52): But improv, when the lights go on and you got to be funny, like, Oh, that's scary.

Unknown Speaker (48:57): Oh, for sure. But I think if you, after you, if you do it over and over again, I think you'll get better at it. You know, if anything else,

Unknown Speaker (49:04): I've been doing over a certain place with another

Unknown Speaker (49:07): man. Right.

Nico Farrow (49:09): You know, that's where you got to put yourself. It'd be like you going down and sitting in with another band. You could do it, but you wouldn't be comfortable. Yeah.

Beverly Brock (49:16): Yeah. But yeah, it's good training. I would like, besides like stage training for those who are like, want to get into acting, like improv is a great way to learn how to act, just to be think fast on your feet and be instinctive and stage fright, all that stuff.

Mike (49:31): Yeah. Well, you know who Walton Coggins is?

Beverly Brock (49:34): Yes. Yes, of course.

Mike (49:35): Oh, I love him. Love him. Like, he does his own social media. We've had little conversations. I keep trying to come on a show, but he just doesn't respond to that question.

Mike (49:43): He a great thing about acting. The way to be an actor is be a five year old and do Yes. Because then you're fearless when you're five. Just go back to being five years old and then just go.

Beverly Brock (49:55): And improv was originally like a children's game that adults started to play. So yeah, absolutely. It is. It I mean, it's called a play, you know, when you're playing. So it is.

Beverly Brock (50:05): I try to have a lot of fun. Like, I asked some I've had the opportunity to speak to some of my favorite actors. When you join the union, you get invited to all these great screenings. Like, this Friday, I'm gonna go see one with Harrison Ford in person for SHRINKINGS. Nice.

Beverly Brock (50:19): I'm really excited. But then, you know, if you're lucky, you get to talk to them or ask them questions. And I got, yeah, one thing I had asked, I won't say who, but I asked, like, what's your advice for me? Like, I have this big thing I'm doing. And he was like, Just enjoy it, because you don't know when you're going to be on that set at that capacity again.

Beverly Brock (50:40): Just have a lot of fun.

Unknown Speaker (50:43): Just enjoy

Beverly Brock (50:43): every moment. Savor it. I'm like, Okay. Because he was like, I asked, What advice would you give someone like me who's about to do this thing? Know?

Beverly Brock (50:52): I'll never forget that. Like, yeah, just have fun.

Nico Farrow (50:56): Was what my music teacher told me. You always gotta play like it's your last time because eventually it will be, right? There's always a last time for everything. You might as well enjoy that moment every time.

Unknown Speaker (51:07): I

Mike (51:08): agree with that advice wholeheartedly. How often do you have to update your headshots and stuff? Is that still even a thing in the

Unknown Speaker (51:15): whole It is a big

Unknown Speaker (51:15): thing. Yeah.

Beverly Brock (51:16): Okay. Generally people stay every two years is a good, rule of thumb. And then you can, you know, I have like one like dark broody one that kind of, and you want it to fit what you're getting additions for. So like, I get a lot of like villain or unstable characters. They're not all villains, but they're like a little screw loose.

Beverly Brock (51:34): Yeah, a little wacky, eccentric, intellectual, mad scientist, that kind of character.

Mike (51:40): I could see that. Could see that. I could see you as intellectual. Every time

Nico Farrow (51:44): he says that, I've seen it every time. Right.

Beverly Brock (51:48): So, yeah, had each other kind of fits that. And then there's also like, you know, more like, you know, like, just more commercial, like happy and smiling, lit differently. Right. Right. So, but yeah, usually every two years you want to update that.

Unknown Speaker (52:01): Okay.

Beverly Brock (52:02): And then, yeah, that's like, their catch ups can be expensive, but they are important because like when a casting director is looking at a wall of actors, that's, you know, you want

Mike (52:11): to You want to stand out right. Now, here's another question with that. So if you kind of like 05:00 shadow ish right now, so on your headshots, are you going to have stuff where you're 05:00 shadowy, full beard, no beard, goatee, no goat, all that kind of stuff?

Beverly Brock (52:26): I learned that I wasn't sure what to do. And then I showed up to set for when I was doing the serial killer on a film I did called Cinephiles. And then I just showed up, like, didn't cut my hair, didn't shave. I was like, you know, just do whatever you want to make the character come alive. And they're like, no, you're perfect as is.

Beverly Brock (52:42): And I kept myself kind of like like that. It's And like kind of like kind of fun patchy, like uneven. I don't think I can ever grow an actual full beard. And that's been working for me. It's been getting me a lot of additions and bookings.

Beverly Brock (52:54): So I just keep it that way. Then I updated my headshot to show that. So you you want the headshot to show kinda like your Your

Unknown Speaker (53:02): you Yeah. Look like

Beverly Brock (53:04): Yeah. Because if you show them with super long hair, you know, now you now you don't have that anymore, that you're kind of tricking the casting director.

Mike (53:11): Right. Right. So a bald guy could have a picture bald and have different wigs showing, look, I can do all these types of things because I don't have any hair.

Beverly Brock (53:19): I mean, that's actually not a bad idea to say, Hey, look at, look at like this, wigs I have that really make me look completely different.

Nico Farrow (53:26): I don't know about Chris, but I don't have a choice anymore.

Beverly Brock (53:31): That's the fun part about voiceover stuff that your look doesn't matter as much as like, just what you sound like and everything. I've been lucky to do some good voiceover with- but that's something I can plug too, besides Jesus Land. There's a show called The Setup that's out now on everything, Spotify, Apple Music. That's a series, like a comedy audio series. And I play like five different characters, because that's another fun thing about voiceover is you can if you can change your voice enough, you can be five different characters like, you know, Simpsons.

Unknown Speaker (54:01): Right.

Unknown Speaker (54:02): It's called the setup?

Beverly Brock (54:03): The setup. Yeah. Harvey Guillen is in it. If you watch What We Do in the Shadows, he plays Guillermo in What We Do in the The Familiar. Right now, he's on Broadway doing Rocky Horror.

Unknown Speaker (54:14): That's a good play.

Beverly Brock (54:16): Yeah, I got tickets for June. I can't wait.

Unknown Speaker (54:18): Right on.

Beverly Brock (54:18): Christian Navarro was in that show too from 13 Reasons Why. So I have a few scenes with them. Fun. And then another one I just did that's not out yet with Mario Lopez called The Zone Yeah, of it's The Zone of Silence, for those that aren't familiar with it, is an area in Mexico, a real place where, like, your nothing works, like, your radio signals all break. It's got weird.

Beverly Brock (54:42): Your your your compass goes crazy. Has a huge amount of meteor impacts. And there's all these legends of, like, you know, like, Twilight Zone type stuff going on there. Yeah. So they're gonna the plan is they want they're turning it into a TV show and then doing this audio series as a tie in to the show.

Beverly Brock (55:00): So I'm in the first five episodes of that, but it's not out yet. But when it is, check it out. Because Mario was on

Nico Farrow (55:07): I'll some of listen to it. I got the other one in my Spotify.

Beverly Brock (55:11): Yeah, the setup. You might have a hard time recognizing me. Hope if I did my job, you won't recognize my voice. So I do, like, German accent. I do, like, speak German.

Unknown Speaker (55:19): There was, like, all this crazy change. My voice is one Well, now

Unknown Speaker (55:22): I'm gonna listen for that. You know that. I'll be like, there's Nico.

Beverly Brock (55:27): Because when the audition came in, it says must be able to do Swedish German accent and Brooklyn accent. I was like, well, I don't know. I'll try.

Unknown Speaker (55:33): Give me a German accent.

Unknown Speaker (55:35): Yeah. What's that?

Unknown Speaker (55:36): Yeah. Go ahead.

Unknown Speaker (55:36): Give me a German accent.

Beverly Brock (55:38): Gosh. I don't know. Had to, cause you have to kind of work into it. I don't know if I can do it cold. I'll try.

Unknown Speaker (55:42): Oh, Das is good to be here. Das is fine. That's good, man. Yeah. There's no funny stories in German.

Unknown Speaker (55:51): We don't we just talk very serious. You know, I don't know. Can't

Unknown Speaker (55:54): That's good. That good, man.

Beverly Brock (55:56): Because when you do an accent, you have to like work really hard to get into it. Then it's hard to do it cold, but I got the part. So like, I was happy. And then Brooklyn, they never want a real accent. They want like, you know, like an exaggeration.

Unknown Speaker (56:10): They all think we talk out here, you know, but we don't talk We like don't really talk like that. We don't walk in here. It's just like a stereotype. But, you know, but they like stereotypes when you do accents.

Unknown Speaker (56:21): I'm sure.

Beverly Brock (56:25): Yeah, that was fun. I want to hopefully get into more voiceover, because that's a hard industry to break into. So just getting those two, and video games would be great, because Rockstar is based right here in New York for Grand Theft Auto. Oh, Yeah, I think so they're very strict in NDA. Like, if you get an audition, you can't say anything.

Beverly Brock (56:46): I've heard stories where they'll blacklist you if you even hint at stuff. So like, I think I know, I might know a friend who might have gotten something, but they're not allowed to talk about it. So when the game comes out, I really hope they're in it, because that would be wild.

Unknown Speaker (57:00): That's awesome.

Unknown Speaker (57:01): Yeah.

Nico Farrow (57:02): Now does the voiceover work, is that just in addition to, or does that pay better because of streaming? Or why do you want to go in that direction? Do you enjoy it more?

Beverly Brock (57:13): Love it. Yeah, because it's I love acting, so it's not it doesn't have to be on camera. Like, audio is the theater of the mind. It's pure imagination. Like, it's not a costume, it's not a set, you just kind of close your eyes, and it's just the purest of pretending.

Beverly Brock (57:28): And there's so many tricks and illusions you can do with your voice that are like, that's where this kind of crosses into singing. And I was looking at death metal singing techniques so I could learn how to scream without breaking my vocal cords. If you do They a

Unknown Speaker (57:45): call it vocal fry.

Unknown Speaker (57:47): Vocal fry. Yeah. I was, yeah. Yeah. Nice.

Mike (57:49): Yeah. How I sang in the song, that's vocal frying, but in And you don't really fry your voice. Know how to use it because it's a muscle. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (57:58): It sounds terrible, but it's actually the right way to do it. You're banging your vocal cords together. What you're doing.

Beverly Brock (58:08): Yeah. It's, the whole thing is a lot of fun. Like anyone's listening or thinking about getting into acting, I hear this all the time. Am I too old? Like, I'm 20.

Beverly Brock (58:16): Am I too old? I'm 40. Am I too old? Am I No. You're never too old.

Beverly Brock (58:20): No. And you can learn really fast. Like, you can if you take good classes in, like, even six months, you can start auditioning for big stuff if you kind of get it have a knack for it. Yeah. But, you're never too old.

Beverly Brock (58:30): Some people think, like, and the older you get, the better you are at it because you have more life experience to draw on.

Unknown Speaker (58:36): Right.

Beverly Brock (58:37): So I I get very impressed when I see young actors who are good because they have very little life experience. Somehow they bring in this pathos and despair that it really is like, wow.

Mike (58:45): Yeah. Well, know, somebody took their iPhone away when they were 12. And that just was monumentally devastating for six months. There's my wife showed me this thing the day this kid, threw his mother's cat on the ground. Oh,

Unknown Speaker (59:00): saw this on

Unknown Speaker (59:01): Reddit. So the mom made the kid slam his PS5 on the ground over and over over and over again until was completely destroyed. Was crying. She's like, do that shit again. Do that shit again.

Unknown Speaker (59:16): Just nonstop dude. Nonstop. But, but rightfully so. Yep. He body slammed her cat.

Mike (59:23): Now I'm not a cat fan, but I would never body slam a cat. No.

Unknown Speaker (59:26): Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (59:26): Know, wish harm. No. Just stay out of my yard, man.

Beverly Brock (59:31): Oh my gosh. I couldn't bear my I saw the clip on Reddit and I couldn't bear to watch it. I just don't wanna see, like, anybody the kid suffers. I I did I kinda scrolled past it. Like, oh, that poor kid.

Unknown Speaker (59:41): And I don't

Unknown Speaker (59:41): want a

Unknown Speaker (59:44): killer because he started being violent to animals. And

Mike (59:49): the punishment fit the crime. This is something the mother loved. This is something the son loved. She wasn't body slamming him. Right?

Mike (59:56): Yep. He was having him body slam something he loved.

Unknown Speaker (1:00:00): Yeah. How much that was going to hurt his heart. Like he hurt her heart. Absolutely. I think that was a good I'm with you too, Nico.

Unknown Speaker (1:00:07): I have a bleeding heart sometimes, but I also have the tough love where I don't want that kid to grow up to be a serial killer, you know? So I appreciate that discipline. Mom would have done the same thing. Trust

Mike (1:00:21): me. Even though we love, you know, we wouldn't love serial killers, but we are fascinated by. Fascinated by. Fascinated by.

Unknown Speaker (1:00:28): Have a T Yeah.

Mike (1:00:30): Have a T shirt in Eagle that has you know who Jim Jones is?

Unknown Speaker (1:00:33): Yeah, of course. Yeah.

Mike (1:00:34): It says it says drink up.

Unknown Speaker (1:00:36): Oh gosh. We also

Unknown Speaker (1:00:39): have a gallows humor. Right.

Mike (1:00:41): The first day I wore that, I it to work out, nobody, nobody understood. Nobody. What's your shirt mean?

Unknown Speaker (1:00:47): They're all too young. Really?

Unknown Speaker (1:00:49): No, they're not. Some of them are. No. Yeah. That's, know.

Unknown Speaker (1:00:52): They just didn't know.

Unknown Speaker (1:00:53): They just didn't understand.

Unknown Speaker (1:00:55): Would be the ones drinking the Kool Aid.

Mike (1:00:57): Part of what I see and part of it was it's Orangetheory. So that's the Kool Aid at Orangetheory. So I think some were kind of thinking I was making fun and poking fun of the Orangetheory cult, you know? I don't know, whatever. What are you gonna do?

Unknown Speaker (1:01:09): Gotta I go deeper, know. Anything else you wanna share with us, Nico, before we wrap things up?

Beverly Brock (1:01:14): I think I did. I plugged the Jesus Land, the setup, Zone of Silence, Jesus Land, we don't have a release date yet. This should be 2026. Zone of Silence, no release date yet, you can go and listen to the setup, watch the trailer for Jesus Land. I give a shout out to my improv teacher, Karl Kisson, to Beverly Brock of the Brock Agency, Hi Beverly.

Unknown Speaker (1:01:31): One of Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (1:01:33): Hi Beverly. Hi Monica.

Beverly Brock (1:01:35): Kathy Redpull, my stage acting teacher, and then Anthony Robert Rassom, he's a really good acting teacher here in New York for camera and film I recommend.

Unknown Speaker (1:01:42): Hi Anthony.

Beverly Brock (1:01:43): Yeah. Shout out Anthony. ARD, yeah, think that's like the major things I wanted to like plug and thank all these acting teachers. You need good acting teachers to get good at acting, for sure.

Mike (1:01:53): Absolutely. Do you have your Oscar speech ready, available, just in case?

Unknown Speaker (1:01:57): Oh gosh. By thanking

Unknown Speaker (1:01:58): the Chris and Mike show, of course.

Unknown Speaker (1:02:00): Yeah, love Chris and

Unknown Speaker (1:02:01): Mike. Got

Beverly Brock (1:02:03): the video I needed to like get noticed for this for heat too. Then I'll definitely Yes, thank you for

Unknown Speaker (1:02:12): please. And if you get, if you get cast in heat too, you get to invite us to take us to, you know, I want to go there and watch quietly in the background. We're there, you know. Yeah. You just, you just, you can put some blood pellets on me.

Mike (1:02:24): I'll just be a dead guy and just, you know, be in the moment. I would enjoy that. When your stuff comes out, when you have release dates, if you want to, by all means, out, come back on the show, we can talk about it or after it releases, we can talk about it. Can talk about all the fun things that you do when movies are released and things like that because I could see having more and more conversations with you because, you know, you're very laid back and cool. You're exactly who Beverly said you're going to be, which I totally appreciate that Beverly.

Mike (1:02:51): So, you know, we're all about conversation. So we hope you had fun. And again, a

Unknown Speaker (1:02:56): lot of fun. Thank you guys.

Mike (1:02:57): Come back anytime. And Monica, go fill that thing out. Let's get you on the show and then Nico can watch you on the show. Yeah, would be cool. So we wrap things up like this all the time.

Mike (1:03:06): If you're feeling sad, depressed, suicidal, don't do it. Tomorrow's a better day with you waking up in it. Go outside, go run, go journal, go work out. If you cannot find someone to talk to, text 988, somebody standing by right there to help talk you off that ledge and change your mindset. Don't leave a hole in somebody else's heart because you take your own life.

Mike (1:03:23): It's not the way to end your day. For Chris and Mike, this is the Chris and Mike Show. And we had Nico Farrell, actor out of New York City. Check him out, just Google the name. You're going to see all this stuff probably.

Mike (1:03:33): And he's got lots of things coming up. He's going to have a really, really cool life ahead of him. He's going to drop our names in his Oscar, acceptance thing. And that's really cool. So then Mike and I know we made it because we were referenced at the Oscars.

Mike (1:03:46): Absolutely.

Unknown Speaker (1:03:47): Thank you so much, Nico. Yes. Appreciate you,

Unknown Speaker (1:03:50): Thank The

Unknown Speaker (1:03:50): time is valuable. We appreciate it very much. Until next time. Peace. Peace.

Unknown Speaker (1:03:55): Love you, brother. Love you too, man.